11.1 - Guardian - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[BritishChap007]

Lex in the finale is the original Lex, IMHO. Doe it make sense? Not so much. But it has to be.

After all, do you really think Cassandra, the old lady who could see a person's the future by touching said person, was able to see the future of Lex's clone? She touched Lex, and saw that he would become president. While obviously I can't be sure exactly how her clairvoyance works, I find it unlikely her vision jumps to a clone.

[SpideyVille]

Lex in the finale is the original Lex, IMHO. Doe it make sense? Not so much. But it has to be.

After all, do you really think Cassandra, the old lady who could see a person's the future by touching said person, was able to see the future of Lex's clone? She touched Lex, and saw that he would become president. While obviously I can't be sure exactly how her clairvoyance works, I find it unlikely her vision jumps to a clone.
The problem with that kind of logic is that you're comparing something from the first season, when they had a short term plan with different creators to something that happened 9-10 years later. Al/Miles had no idea what would happen to Lex in the immediate future, and they couldn't especially since they left and Brian/Kelly and others took over and made the decision to kill Lex.

Not to mention, it was already established in Hereafter that people's future, particularly their death could be and were altered by Clark. Lana was originally supposed to die an old woman peacefully in her bed, but then it changed twice after Clark's interference. I would assume that the future she saw was merely where the path that they were on would take them. Like in Apocalypse, we saw that Lex would've ended up in the field with the white suit as President since Clark wasn't around in that reality. But in the real timeline, Clark would never allow Lex to do something like that.

[Lead Cenobite]

I don't really care whether or not it's actually his original body, but it seems that it contains Lex's soul. Wasn't that the point of Lionel's deal with Darkseid?

[Webhead2006]

I can't wait to next week. Just placed my order at my local comic shop for the first print issue.

[KalKai]

Can't believe I missed this. Didn't realize there was a new cover, and what a cover!

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Editorial/120423/Smallville_Comic/comic-smallville1.jpg

What the heck are those robots? Are they Lex's? Or alien in origin?

[Webhead2006]

Man that is a cool cover. As for the robots they sorta look like omacs to me.

[Rockstar]

This didn't bother me that much. I didn't like it but the scene was so good that it didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth. Lex always used to blame someone else for turning into who he was in the end. He blamed his dad or Clark or whoever else, and could never admit even to himself that he was the one who chose to take that path. And in that final scene where Tess put the toxin on him and told him she won't become like him cuz Clark already saved her, it was kinda the moment of realization for Lex. The look on his face said that he finally realized he was the only one to blame for who he became. And the fact that this was his last realization before his memories got wiped out, make this even more melancholic. At least to me.

So even though I disagree with this as a creative decision by the producers, the way it was played out was great. That's why when I remember it, it doesn't bother me this very much.


That's an interesting reinterpretation of that scene. What look on Lex's face?

He didn't react to Tess saying Clark saved her. He only seemed to react to knowing his memories were going to be wiped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4XfpqyG04&feature=player_detailpage#t=94s

Nice try.




I don't really care whether or not it's actually his original body, but it seems that it contains Lex's soul. Wasn't that the point of Lionel's deal with Darkseid?

Nope.

The only soul mentioned was Lionel's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s16uvogKuTk#t=42s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s16uvogKuTk#t=42s)


http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Editorial/120423/Smallville_Comic/comic-smallville1.jpg



Bruce Campbell!?

[Young Superman]

Can't believe I missed this. Didn't realize there was a new cover, and what a cover!

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Editorial/120423/Smallville_Comic/comic-smallville1.jpg

What the heck are those robots? Are they Lex's? Or alien in origin?

Cool cover.

[Binker]

Where did that cover come from? It can't be #1 is it? Maybe #4, or the trade cover?

[Johnny]

That's an interesting reinterpretation of that scene. What look on Lex's face?

He didn't react to Tess saying Clark saved her. He only seemed to react to knowing his memories were going to be wiped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4XfpqyG04&feature=player_detailpage#t=94s

Nice try.


What nice try? This is the way I personally interpret this moment. I didn't say you have to agree with me. Whether he reacted only to Tess it doesn't matter, it was still melancholic. To me this wasn't a bad scene, that's it.

[Lead Cenobite]

Nope.

The only soul mentioned was Lionel's.

Then why involve a supernatural being such as Darkseid, making a Faustian pact? That's the reason I assumed it was Lex in soul, the inclusion of the supernatural implies that he was there for more than just helping piece together a clone.

[Rockstar]

What nice try? This is the way I personally interpret this moment. I didn't say you have to agree with me. Whether he reacted only to Tess it doesn't matter, it was still melancholic. To me this wasn't a bad scene, that's it.

Fair enough that you've reinterpreted the scene that way, but I didn't see any evidence from the scene that Lex reached that realization. There was no reaction from the actor, not even subtle, and there was no dialogue to convey Lex' coming to this realization.

If it isn't onscreen, then the producers have failed with their goal...if that was their goal with the scene. I'm skeptical. I only care because Lex was the one character they nailed well consistently in the beginning. He got the best characterization. The way they ended him almost seemed insulting to the intelligence of fans.



Then why involve a supernatural being such as Darkseid, making a Faustian pact?


It's mentioned in the scene itself, the one I linked. Darkseid says he wants Lionel's soul.



That's the reason I assumed it was Lex in soul, the inclusion of the supernatural implies that he was there for more than just helping piece together a clone

See above.

Off topic, but Darkseid as a supernatual being who is after peoples' souls was a complete misunderstanding of the character. It came off really cliche. Maybe they were trying to build off Supernatural's viewer base, but there must have been better ways to handle Darkseid than that. They didn't come close to doing him justice.

[Johnny]

Fair enough that you've reinterpreted the scene that way, but I didn't see any evidence from the scene that Lex reached that realization. There was no reaction from the actor, not even subtle, and there was no dialogue to convey Lex' coming to this realization.

If it isn't onscreen, then the producers have failed with their goal...if that was their goal with the scene. I'm skeptical. I only care because Lex was the one character they nailed well consistently in the beginning. He got the best characterization. The way they ended him almost seemed insulting to the intelligence of fans.

Well, sorry you feel that way. I never took Smallville so seriously to feel like they were insulting my intelligence


Off topic, but Darkseid as a supernatual being who is after peoples' souls was a complete misunderstanding of the character. It came off really cliche. Maybe they were trying to build off Supernatural's viewer base, but there must have been better ways to handle Darkseid than that. They didn't come close to doing him justice.

If they were trying to make him more like the comic version, people would've only said how silly he looked. Just like they said about Doomsday. People want something and after they get it, they only start bashing how bad it looks. Most times at least. It's funny really. But that being said I do think Darkseid should've been showcased better.

[Prison Mike]

The 3rd chapter was pretty good. Awesome seeing Green Arrow and Superman fighting together. I was hoping they would get more into Lex but I guess they're saving that for later.

[Rockstar]

Well, sorry you feel that way. I never took Smallville so seriously to feel like they were insulting my intelligence
If they were trying to make him more like the comic version, people would've only said how silly he looked.

It wasn't about asthetics. You missed my point. Turning Darkseid into some supernatural being and playing up the corrupting of souls nonsense... none of that has anything to do with Kirby's Darkseid.

Darkseid isn't Satan.

Smallville's version was Darkseid in name only... really. It was like the writers saw 'Dark' in his name and decided to make him some generic dark magical force.

Just like they said about Doomsday. People want something and after they get it, they only start bashing how bad it looks. Most times at least. It's funny really. But that being said I do think Darkseid should've been showcased better.

More like the Smallville attempts something that it knows it can't pull off, but still teases it to draw in viewers.

It was just another Smallville fake-out.

[Johnny]

No, I didn't miss your point, I get what you're saying. It's not fake-out, it's a different version, nothing more. It's basically an Elseworlds version of Darkseid, Yes, in the main continuity he's not some dark entity searching for strong souls, etc. Even in the New 52 he's the same with a different attire and a daughter in stead of son. But what is the problem with him being different in another universe? Smallville has always been a parallel universe Superman type of show, so I've never seen anything wrong with changing villains. Every time they tried to line up something with the mythos, they always failed anyway. Better to see something else than a bad attempt at the original. Whether we like the new version or not, is a totally different thing.

[Prison Mike]

The only thing that bothered me about Darkseid was how we got Lionel as the host rather than the real Darkseid and how everyone referred to him as the darkness. That got old real fast.

[Webhead2006]

cover had to be for issue 4 or 5 of digital release. Since we already knew what is the cover for print first issue which is out next week. I too didnt like the whole darkness thing for the most part. I said it before they should have either done that plot from the comics where darkseid and his minions lost there bodies and possessed humans to cause issues on earth. So they could have just done and random actor and have darkseid, granny, desaad, and what not play more into the season.

Or they should have bumped granny as main villain of the season, with desaad her big time lacky, and tossed in maybe a few female furies episodes, maybe a kalibak episode. With then guest hero should have been orion or big brada counting on rights issues then have a physical darksied for last 2 or 3 episodes. Where they could have justed hired a stunt actor to play him, and modified the doomsday suit.

[The Boy Scout]

Man that is a cool cover. As for the robots they sorta look like omacs to me.

That was my first thought, too.

[SpideyVille]

No, I didn't miss your point, I get what you're saying. It's not fake-out, it's a different version, nothing more. It's basically an Elseworlds version of Darkseid, Yes, in the main continuity he's not some dark entity searching for strong souls, etc. Even in the New 52 he's the same with a different attire and a daughter in stead of son. But what is the problem with him being different in another universe? Smallville has always been a parallel universe Superman type of show, so I've never seen anything wrong with changing villains. Every time they tried to line up something with the mythos, they always failed anyway. Better to see something else than a bad attempt at the original. Whether we like the new version or not, is a totally different thing.
Yeah, that's been my biggest gripe when it comes to people who complain about Smallville and the changes. Granted, some things were done horribly, but to complain about how they weren't accurate to the comics is not fair because the comics make changes all the time, and Smallville is just another version of a story.

I thought the buildup to Doomsday was pretty good since they gave him more of a personality, even though it was kind of a Banner/Hulk thing. But the pay off was just bad. Darkseid, however, didn't really have much of a presence other than in name and a few glimpses. But that's I loved season 9 so much, because Zod had such a great buildup and a strong presence season long and I thought they handled him pretty well.

[Webhead2006]

totally callum zod, and marsters brainiac were the best handled villains after lex i say.

[Johnny]

New chapter was good. Great to see some Clark/Ollie and Chlo-Lo action and the cliffhanger got me curious. Can't wait to see what happens with Tess and Lex too. BQM said Hank Henshaw shows up very soon so I guess we're gonna get our hands full of cliffhangers lol.

[ironman29758]

No, I didn't miss your point, I get what you're saying. It's not fake-out, it's a different version, nothing more. It's basically an Elseworlds version of Darkseid, Yes, in the main continuity he's not some dark entity searching for strong souls, etc. Even in the New 52 he's the same with a different attire and a daughter in stead of son. But what is the problem with him being different in another universe? Smallville has always been a parallel universe Superman type of show, so I've never seen anything wrong with changing villains. Every time they tried to line up something with the mythos, they always failed anyway. Better to see something else than a bad attempt at the original. Whether we like the new version or not, is a totally different thing.

Yeah, that's been my biggest gripe when it comes to people who complain about Smallville and the changes. Granted, some things were done horribly, but to complain about how they weren't accurate to the comics is not fair because the comics make changes all the time, and Smallville is just another version of a story.

I thought the buildup to Doomsday was pretty good since they gave him more of a personality, even though it was kind of a Banner/Hulk thing. But the pay off was just bad. Darkseid, however, didn't really have much of a presence other than in name and a few glimpses. But that's I loved season 9 so much, because Zod had such a great buildup and a strong presence season long and I thought they handled him pretty well.

totally callum zod, and marsters brainiac were the best handled villains after lex i say.

I feel the closest versions of the comics Darkseid resembles is the Legends comics(because of how they were turning the public against the heroes and making the JL Stronger,Godfrey's role basiaclly) and Final Crisis(New gods possesing human bodies, Anti-Life equation controling the people and some heroes, the devil/good vs evil comparisons, superheroes prepared for the upcoming war, ETC). Some times the aligning to the comics or characters has been translated to Smallville has been good(Clark Kent, Zod, JLers, Blue Beetle, Zatanna, Brainiac in Legion and kind of Brainiac 5), some were aligning was kind of rocky but still good as they(Doomsday, Lex Luthor) some were rough and made almost no sense (Metallo) and some were nothing like the comics(Myxzltplk). But overall has been good to watch.

[STC]

Can't believe I missed this. Didn't realize there was a new cover, and what a cover!

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Editorial/120423/Smallville_Comic/comic-smallville1.jpg

What the heck are those robots? Are they Lex's? Or alien in origin?

Where did you find this? Is this a variant cover? to what issue?

[Webhead2006]

Has to be for next issue or an upcoming one.

[The Incredible Hulk]

when does the first print copy of the comic come out?

[BH/HHH]

Just read the first issue in print today and I loved it, great artwork and a fine story 8 out of 10

[Dangerman]

It's like how I figured Smallville season 11 is a much better read when collected then seeing it week by week as they are doing.

[vantheman77]

I also got the first issue of Smallville 11th Season and it was a great read. It felt like what would've been if the show continued. We get to see Clark's new costume in full without red underwear. It looks like most the cast who appeared in the Finale are in this one, including one of the characters who was dead. This makes me wish they'd do either a TV-movie or an animated movie in CGI. Great start to the comic series.

[bonoferox]

Same. Picked it up today and was rather fond of it.

[Webhead2006]

Didn't have chance to pick up my print(other comics for today) up. But can't read it tomorrow when I go to my local shop.

[Binker]

When you have the full story instead of having it split weekly, you see the difference.

EDIT: BTW, didnt get it yet, but does it with digital #3 or upcoming digital issue #4?

[Dangerman]

When you have the full story instead of having it split weekly, you see the difference.

EDIT: BTW, didnt get it yet, but does it with digital #3 or upcoming digital issue #4?
You will see the difference with having a full story than what you get with digital and it ends with issue #3.

[Brainiac 8]

I wonder if the local books a million would have the print version. Maybe I'll check that out during lunch.

[kloker]

Can someone post pics of the episode guide and Perez's desings featured in the print version? (NO PICS OF THE STORY)

[BritishChap007]

Can someone post pics of the episode guide and Perez's desings featured in the print version? (NO PICS OF THE STORY)

Yes, please!

No week 4 today...

[John Locke]

Why not? Wasn't it scheduled for today?

[Johnny]

2 weeks delay. Next one comes out May 18th. BQM tweeted it

[BritishChap007]

2 weeks delay. Next one comes out May 18th. BQM tweeted it


I'm assuming there will only be three a month so the digitals aren't years ahead of the monthly.

[Johnny]

Yep, makes sense.

[Webhead2006]

Or just delay which dc has been bad with delays in past haven't they.

[Johnny]

Sometimes yes. But since the New 52 they've been pretty absent of delays so far. Anyway, here's Smallville's schedule for the next 3 months right from DC's website:



We’ve seen a huge response to the new SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 digital comic book series and just wanted to remind new and old readers alike that after three digital chapters are released, a collection of those three chapters is released as a print issue that also includes new, bonus content like episode guides. This week marks the first print issue of SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 so be sure to pick-up a copy at your local comic book store (http://www.comicshoplocator.com/Home/1/1/57/575). The next digital chapter of SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 will be released on Friday, May 18 so stay tuned until then, and check out the full release schedule below.

SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 Release Schedule:

May 2 – print issue #1 (collecting digital chapters 1-3)
May 18 – digital chapter 4
May 25 – digital chapter 5
June 1 – digital chapter 6
June 6 – print issue #2 (collecting digital chapters 4-6)
June 15 – digital chapter 7
June 22 – digital chapter 8
June 29 – digital chapter 9
July 4 – print issue #3 (collecting digital chapters 7-9)
July 13 – digital chapter 10
July 20 – digital chapter 11
July 27 – digital chapter 12
Aug. 1 – print issue #4 (collecting digital chapters 10-12)

[Johnny]

Double post.

[STC]

Looks like Cat Staggs updated her original cover:

http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Smallville01_coverB300dpi.jpg

[Young Superman]

Looks like Cat Staggs updated her original cover:

http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Smallville01_coverB300dpi.jpg

Nice

[The Caped Knight]

I picked up my printed copy of SMALLVILLE # 1 the cover features Superman, Lois and Lex . It's different than the original one by Gary Frank first released. Superman's face resembles Welling more than previously.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65157/2323225-smallville1_super.jpg

[BritishChap007]

Wow. That's pret awesome.

[Young Superman]

I picked up my printed copy of SMALLVILLE # 1 the cover features Superman, Lois and Lex . It's different than the original one by Gary Frank first released. Superman's face resembles Welling more than previously.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65157/2323225-smallville1_super.jpg

Nice

[SpideyVille]

Why does Lois have reddish hair? She almost looks more like Mary Jane Watson there.

[BritishChap007]

Wow. That's pretty awesome.

Why does Lois have reddish hair? She almost looks more like Mary Jane Watson there.

It's brown. Compare it to there'd of his caper theSmallville font. They probably just did it in that color to make it stand out from the black sky.

The Caped Knight, think you could scan the Perez suit concepts?

[Binker]

I picked up my printed copy of SMALLVILLE # 1 the cover features Superman, Lois and Lex . It's different than the original one by Gary Frank first released. Superman's face resembles Welling more than previously.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65157/2323225-smallville1_super.jpg

Okay, THAT'S more like it.

Now, I can proudly say that Gary Frank is awesome and here's a great cover to show why, among others.

[Webhead2006]

I still haven't picked up my print order of sv comic. Can't wait to later I will be getting my orders today finally.

[Webhead2006]

Finally was able to get a copy of the comic today. Man was it such a hassle for me to get it too. Can't wait to read it later when I got free time.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Cant you just subscribe through DC online and have it sent to your house?

[Webhead2006]

I don't do subscribe thing. I like to go to shop and get my comics. The issue was just my original shop didn't get enough copies in for all orders. So I had to try a few other local shops and had issues at two stores before I was able to get it.

But it was a good read. Was nice to see where characters are now. And see where bqm is going with his story. Also perez art was pretty good.

[BritishChap007]

PRINT Issue 4 cover:

http://blueskybriccabraq.squarespace.com/storage/SmallVille%20Cover%202.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERS ION=1337028640165

And a preview of Cat Staggs digital cover for digital issues 10-12:

http://blueskybriccabraq.squarespace.com/storage/Screen%20shot%202012-05-14%20at%2012.33.22%20PM.png?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVER SION=1337028454480

[Webhead2006]

Some sweet covers

[herolee10]

I still wish at times that instead of a comic book series, that they would have gone down the "animated series" route for season 11 instead.:csad:

[Young Superman]

I still wish at times that instead of a comic book series, that they would have gone down the "animated series" route for season 11 instead.:csad:


That would have been AWESPME!

[BritishChap007]

That would have been AWESPME!

Maybe we will get a motion comic when season 11 is done.

[The Boy Scout]

http://blueskybriccabraq.squarespace.com/storage/Screen%20shot%202012-05-14%20at%2012.33.22%20PM.png?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVER SION=1337028454480

I really hate it when artists draw belts that have that dip. It just looks stupid.

[Johnny]

Big deal. She draws Clark like no other.

[The Boy Scout]

That's funny. I don't remember saying she didn't. But hey, whatever works for you, man. :up:

[Johnny]

I don't see how the belt is important when she draws Clark so well, that's it.

[elgaz]

I really hate it when artists draw belts that have that dip. It just looks stupid.

that's a road sign for Lois :hrt: :doh: :woot:

[The Boy Scout]

I don't see how the belt is important when she draws Clark so well, that's it.

You're trying to make something out of nothing. For what, I don't know.

I don't like belts that dip. Simple as that. How I feel about the belt has nothing to do with how well the artist managed to capture Welling's likeness. How you found a connection between those things is beyond me.

that's a road sign for Lois :hrt: :doh: :woot:

:funny:

[Johnny]

Let me paraphrase then, why do you care how belts are drawn in the first place? Here's my point with the art, if not only belts are drawn bad but every part of the suit too, I'd understand that. I simply don't get why you pay attention to details that are kind of irrelevant. That's what seems weird to me.

[Young Superman]

Cat Staggs should be doing the interiors art in this book.

[The Boy Scout]

Let me paraphrase...

No need. You've made yourself perfectly clear.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I made a throwaway comment that wasn't in any way supposed to garner as much attention as you're giving it. Me saying I hate the belt is the equivalent of someone else saying, "The Avengers was amazing! But I thought such-and-such line was really corny."

It's a nitpick. A niggle. A very small issue. Understand?


why do you care how belts are drawn in the first place?

So because I think something looks bad, I'm not allowed to critique it, all because you don't have the same issue? Kay. :up:

I simply don't get why you pay attention to details that are kind of irrelevant.

Of course it's irrelevant. That's the point. You're giving it way more attention than it deserves.

[kunonabi]

Suit looks so much better without color since you can't really tell that they removed the trunks. Cat really does good work.

[vantheman77]

I still wish at times that instead of a comic book series, that they would have gone down the "animated series" route for season 11 instead.:csad:

Me too as I wish it was a CGI animated series in the style of Justice League Heroes.

[Johnny]

No need. You've made yourself perfectly clear.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I made a throwaway comment that wasn't in any way supposed to garner as much attention as you're giving it. Me saying I hate the belt is the equivalent of someone else saying, "The Avengers was amazing! But I thought such-and-such line was really corny."

It's a nitpick. A niggle. A very small issue. Understand?




So because I think something looks bad, I'm not allowed to critique it, all because you don't have the same issue? Kay. :up:



Of course it's irrelevant. That's the point. You're giving it way more attention than it deserves.


Who in the hell told you you're not allowed to critique something? Ok, you're nitpicking about something small, I'm nitpicking about your comment too. You can talk about a very small issue that annoyed you and that's fine, but it's not fine for me to talk about a comment that annoyed me too? Regardless if it was about something small? Do replies always have to be about something big that has solid points and makes a lot of sense? You point out something insignificant you didn't like, I point a throwaway comment I didn't like. That's all. Don't talk me like I'm an idiot, I understand you perfectly fine.

[Mr. E Nygma]

So for y'all that have read it, how was it? I didn't realize this was out. I'm uber excited but nervous that it will suck...

[The Boy Scout]

Who in the hell told you you're not allowed to critique something?

That's what I've been getting from your posts. "Stop complaining about the belt. Don't you see how well she draws Clark?!"

Ok, you're nitpicking about something small, I'm nitpicking about your comment too.

Is that what you were doing? This whole time it looked like you were making an arbitrary connection between my comment and the quality of the art as a whole.

You can talk about a very small issue that annoyed you and that's fine, but it's not fine for me to talk about a comment that annoyed me too?

My issue with you is you're taking this way too seriously. My comment annoyed you? Seriously? Why do you give a rat's ass how I feel about anything, especially a belt?

Do replies always have to be about something big

No.

that has solid points

Not necessarily.

and makes a lot of sense?

It should make some sense, yes.

Don't talk me like I'm an idiot, I understand you perfectly fine.

In all seriousness, I don't doubt you're not an idiot. Whether or not you actually understand me is another issue. Whatever the case, I think we can both agree that this is a really stupid conversation that's run its course.

If I offended you or anything, I, in all sincerity, apologize. I hope we can end this amicably.

[Johnny]

Fair enough. You haven't offended me in any way, I only wanted to have a lighthearted argument, though yes, it did look stupid in the end. Enjoy the comic, despite the bad belt lol.

[Mr. E Nygma]

Oh I'm so glad we've cleared this up because I've been waiting to say how much I hate the way the super-curl was drawn. I mean it's like 50% curl. I need 100% curl...:hehe:

[BritishChap007]

Wow!

Chapter 4 rocks!

[Webhead2006]

Any good highlights to mention? Spoiler tab/pm info.

[Webhead2006]

Any good highlights to mention? Spoiler tab/pm info.

[Johnny]

This issue had continuity out the ass. Loved it. Btw STAR Labs = Swann Technology And Research? Awesome! Love the comic. Kudos to BQM.

[Webhead2006]

Sweet refrences.

[herolee10]

Man; oh, if only they had been allowed to show all of what we're seeing now in the comics to have taken place in live action during past seasons.lol

I liked how:



1. Clark's belt could be used to create one of those "iron Man" holographic computers for him to use while being on his mission and how Lois can use that to contact him.

2. I liked on how they had established that Clark had further tested his powers at S.T.A.R labs in order to better hone them.

3. It seems like the hallucination of Tess in Lex's mind acts as a mental security in ensuring that whenever Lex starts remembering his past, that she appears to prevent him from doing so.

[Webhead2006]

Man those sound like some cool things.

[Brainiac 8]

I'm holding off...When the bound shows up I'll so be grabbing it...but the waiting is killing me.

[Webhead2006]

Totally I like to have print issues myself. For my enjoyment, and for my collection.

[KalKai]

Chapter 5:

http://i.imgur.com/fTcwk.jpg

Whoever that is is clearly a female and knows about Superman.

[Young Superman]

Chapter 5:

http://i.imgur.com/fTcwk.jpg

Whoever that is is clearly a female and knows about Superman.

Cool, wonder who she is?

[Johnny]

At first I thought it may be Kara, now I'm not so sure. It maybe another DC character we haven't seen on the show so far.

[herolee10]

I thought it was Kara at first too, only till I realized that Kara doesn't need a spaceship and that she was last seen going into the future with the Legion Ring.lol


I'm betting that it's either one of minions for Darkseid or that it's even Maxima, having returned.

[Webhead2006]

Nice panel and would be sweet for maxima return.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Downloaded the first 5 chapters to my new iPad yesterday using the ComiXology app.

Really loving what they've done so far. A lot of continuity nods, especially loved the part where Clark tells Ollie about the exploding baby. lol

The artist really has a good handle on Welling's and Rosey's likenesses, although I'm not thrilled with the way Lois looks.

[Brainiac 8]

Ha, it's funny they mention the exploding baby. :p

I just rewatched that episode over the weekend. My wife and I are starting season five now in our 'rewatching all of smallville' thing we're doing.

[Webhead2006]

I am surprised it gets a mention since fandom considers that episode as one of the worst episodes.

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's all tongue in cheek and the show pretty much poking fun at itself. You have to enjoy that.

[Johnny]

I noticed Pere Perez(the artist) draws Lois and Tess in a very similar way. Chloe definitely looks like her tv counterpart, so did Tess and Lois initially, then they started looking different from their actresses but similar to one another in the comic. Kinda weird. Really doesn't bother me much but it's noticeable. Look at the panel where Lois asks Clark should she tell the world Superman is from another planet and then the one where Tess tells Lex about how he killed her, they look almost like twin sisters lol.

[The Incredible Hulk]

yeah I agree, the only way you can really tell the difference sometimes is the hair color. Cassidy (Tess) always had shorter hair than Lois on the show, but in the books it;s almost just as long.

Looking forward to Chapter 6 on Friday.

[The Incredible Hulk]

release schedule for Guardian for those who havent seen it:

May 2 - print issue #1 (collecting digital chapters 1-3)
May 18 - digital chapter 4
May 25 - digital chapter 5
June 1 - digital chapter 6
June 6 - print issue #2 (collecting digital chapters 4-6)
June 15 - digital chapter 7
June 22 - digital chapter 8
June 29 - digital chapter 9
July 4 - print issue #3 (collecting digital chapters 7-9)
July 13 - digital chapter 10
July 20 - digital chapter 11
July 27 - digital chapter 12
Aug. 1 - print issue #4 (collecting digital chapters 10-12)

[Rockstar]

There may have been an issue concerning the use of Durance's likeness.

I know they're promoting her new series Saving Hope heavily over here.

[Brainiac 8]

release schedule for Guardian for those who havent seen it:

May 2 - print issue #1 (collecting digital chapters 1-3)
May 18 - digital chapter 4
May 25 - digital chapter 5
June 1 - digital chapter 6
June 6 - print issue #2 (collecting digital chapters 4-6)
June 15 - digital chapter 7
June 22 - digital chapter 8
June 29 - digital chapter 9
July 4 - print issue #3 (collecting digital chapters 7-9)
July 13 - digital chapter 10
July 20 - digital chapter 11
July 27 - digital chapter 12
Aug. 1 - print issue #4 (collecting digital chapters 10-12)


Have they said if and when they are going to release the first trade with the first several full issues bound together?

[Johnny]

There may have been an issue concerning the use of Durance's likeness.

I know they're promoting her new series Saving Hope heavily over here.

I don't think there's an issue there. They can use Tom, Michael, Allison, Justin and Cassidy's likenesses, even the General looked like Michael Ironside, makes no sense to me for them to not be allowed to use Erica's too. It's just the way the artist chooses to draw them.

[Webhead2006]

It is funny when they do that stuff. And thanks for the schedule for ditigal and print releases. Ya I doubt there is an issue with likenesses. When they signed onto the show they give the rights to wb/dc to use there liknesses in any media. My guess is perez probably just got a little lazy on drawing lois and tess.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Have they said if and when they are going to release the first trade with the first several full issues bound together?


Don't think they've released that, but if I were to venture a guess I'd say sometime in late August/early September maybe?

[Rockstar]

Finally downloaded one of these issues illegally.

The only issue I had was with them establishing that everyone knows Oliver is Green Arrow, then having Clark walk around publically with Oliver right after Superman saved Green Arrow.

I mean they were walking right in front of the police and the criminals in the earlier panels. Way to expose Clark's identity.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120507183503/smallville/images/a/a6/Clark-And-Oliver-S11.jpg


It's one of those things that would be a major fail in live action, but works here in the comics.

[Johnny]

It's one of those things that would be a major fail in live action, but works here in the comics.

Which is what I don't understand. Why fans think stuff like that is ok to happen in the comics but stupid and retarded in live action?

[Rockstar]

Because animation and artwork allows for an easier break from reality and logic, than compared to live action.

It's a different medium.

It's harder defend with real actors. Using real actors usually means that there needs to be a real-world logic for things to be believable and plausible, with specific regards to the superhero genre.


EX: If we got a live action Season 11, there's no way Welling's Clark disguise would be logical or believable after practically everyone at the DP and Smallville already saw Clark without the disguise and nerdy behavior. He'd be immediately recognizable as Superman.

However, in the context of these comics... it works.

[Webhead2006]

Oh come on really just cause ollie is friends with clark that instantly outs him as superman. Hell there is plently of publically known heroes who work with/interact with other heroes who are secret identies in the public.

Also look in other books/tv/films when two characters are walking and talking to others in a sea of folks. It doesn't mean what they are talking about is being heard or listen to by random joe walking near or passed.

[Rockstar]

Webhead, I never believed a human being could lack the common sense, intelligence and logic to be fooled by something so obvious, ... until I read your posts.

[Webhead2006]

And why do you think I lack that stuff rock. I was merly just commenting on the issue you spoke of.

[herolee10]

All I’ll say is this:



I’ve never been the biggest fan of scenarios where a hero ousts himself to the world in regards to his hero identity because I’ve never really seen the consequences of such actions fully explored. Given that Oliver is sure to have made a lot of enemies as GA already, along with how he’s not bulletproof by any means or has a security guard with him 24/7, it doesn’t make sense for me at least to think that someone wouldn’t try attack him or kill him in a assassination attempt when he’s made himself to be such a easy target.




In regards to Clark’s issue, I will admit that I wasn’t the biggest fan of how they went about it, especially since after making a big deal about the glasses on how they forgot to have Clark wear them at his own wedding. Be that as it may, the impression that I’ve been getting is that Clark hasn’t shown his face as Superman for the Entire world to see and that he only allows certain people (namely the ones that he’s rescued who have never met him before as Clark Kent) to see his face. So rather than always blurring away, he probably allows people to see him from a distance when he’s flying.



Note: Rockstar, I know that people have a right to their own opinions here, but seriously dude, you need to cut back with the insults that you throw at people around here man.

[John Locke]

Because animation and artwork allows for an easier break from reality and logic, than compared to live action.

It's a different medium.

It's harder defend with real actors. Using real actors usually means that there needs to be a real-world logic for things to be believable and plausible, with specific regards to the superhero genre.


EX: If we got a live action Season 11, there's no way Welling's Clark disguise would be logical or believable after practically everyone at the DP and Smallville already saw Clark without the disguise and nerdy behavior. He'd be immediately recognizable as Superman.

However, in the context of these comics... it works.
It would make sense because it's a show about a superhero. Those shows and movies get away with it. In reality people would know that Bruce Wayne is Batman because Batman arrived the same time Bruce returned from the dead. But in BB no one even thinks that and you see no fans complaining. Another example Mary Jane would figure out Peter's Spider-Man because every time Peter bails on her, Spider-Man saves someone. Not to mention the fact that Peter signed up in to fight BoneSaw as Spider-Man. Wouldn't he have had paper work? Or at least the people who saw him sign up tell someone? Or that the he went after the guy who killed Uncle Ben who was shot a block away from the ring? Those worked so why wouldn't this?

[Rockstar]

And why do you think I lack that stuff rock. I was merly just commenting on the issue you spoke of.

I didn't mean to insult you.

I was commenting on the absurdity of the concept.

I could buy it working within the context of animation and comics, but not in any live action medium meant to be taken seriously.

Though it's questionable whether Smallville was meant to be taken seriously, especially in it's final years.

They handled the glasses and CK disguise in a very 'tongue and cheek' manner, since they knew they were screwed. They weren't even consistent with it either (and this was right before Superman appeared to the public).

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Content/110425/News/1_mon/110425mag-Smallville1.jpg

It would have made more logical sense to introduce the CK disguise several seasons prior, instead of just putting the real farmboy Clark persona in Metropolis and the DP.

I honestly wish they went with a sci-fi explanation for this one, since Smallville has already pulled the 'deus ex machina' magic card hundreds of times.

[Webhead2006]

Ah ok rock I thought you where being mean to me. And I wasn't liking that at all. But totally the whole glasses thing next to lana was a badly handled deal.

I said it many times over the yrs, they should have had clark wear glasses full time after he was temporary blinded. So then that would have solved issues with lois, jimmy, and other associates through the yrs. And then with lex they could have handled it as he just slowly forgot how clark looked without them. And then really tom would have only needed to wear glasses for a few scenes per episodes, ie back then school scenes, and any out in public scenes. But when home, with pete, chloe, and when he was being hero not have them. But again glasses issue we can thank gough and millar. They said many times it wasn't there problem to worry about. So that really put the other producers in a real corner in what to do there.

[Rockstar]

I would have done it differently.

When Clark announced to Jor-El that he would be marrying Lois towards the end of S10, Jor-El would give him a choice whether he would continue to live out his life as 'Clark Kent' (a savior in the shadows) or become 'Superman' (a public superhero to the world).

Jor-El would mention that Clark can't be both and must choose his path. The price of becoming Superman is that all memories of 'Clark Kent' would be wiped from the entire human civilization (including those closest to Clark) allowing for Clark to fully become Superman.

Clark would have to heroically sacrifice his relationship with Lois and the other humans to become Superman. After he decides to become Superman and the world has lost their memories of Clark Kent, Superman would create the exaggerated mild mannered reporter persona to blend into civilization.

Lois would develop a relationship with Superman and Luthor would develop a hatred for him. No one would know the real Clark Kent, just the exaggerated CK persona with the glasses at the DP who fades into the background.

[Webhead2006]

I wouldn't have wanted a world wide mind wipe. That would have been even more silly thing to do.

[herolee10]

Honestly when it comes down to it, the fault really lies on the fact that the producers waited way too long to initiate some important key elements in the formation of Clark’s alter ego.

There’s no excuse imho as to why the show had to wait till the series finale for Clark to fully tap into this flying powers, let alone on how they had him wait till the second half of season 10 before he started wearing glasses.

If they were smart about it, I would have had Clark wearing glasses back in season 3. You could argue that Clark could have come up with that idea as a way of trying to conceal the fact that he was running around in Metropolis as Kal for a few months and didn’t want people to notice him. If you add that to the idea that Clark found it valuable when people thought he was normal based on his near blinding accident with a run in from a meteor freak, then that would have helped.

As for flying, I could accept that Martian Manhunter and Hawkman could fly since they’re not kryptonian, but when you start bringing in Kryptonians who can fly miles around Clark, let alone ones who have not had as much yellow sunlight radiation as he has had, then it just gets ridiculous.

[Rockstar]

I wouldn't have wanted a world wide mind wipe. That would have been even more silly thing to do.

That's basically what we've gotten in the comic.

Everyone is conveniently unable to recognize Clark as Superman, even though most have seen him without the glasses.


My take just explains why that has happened.


It really just came down to the producers not caring whether it made sense or not.



Honestly when it comes down to it, the fault really lies on the fact that the producers waited way too long to initiate some important key elements in the formation of Clark’s alter ego.

There’s no excuse imho as to why the show had to wait till the series finale for Clark to fully tap into this flying powers, let alone on how they had him wait till the second half of season 10 before he started wearing glasses.

Tom Welling.

He didn't want to wear the suit. It wouldn't shock me if he wasn't keen on the glasses being a regular thing either.

[The Incredible Hulk]

That's basically what we've gotten in the comic.

Everyone is conveniently unable to recognize Clark as Superman, even though most have seen him without the glasses.


My take just explains why that has happened.

It really just came down to the producers not caring whether it made sense or not.


I've never bought this. Even if you had never met Clark until the day after Superman "came out" to the World and had only ever seen him with his glasses, it would take all of about 30 seconds to figure out he was Superman.

There's no realistic way to go about this, never has been, especially given he sits across a desk from the best investigative reporter on the planet (although not an issue on Smallville) and his arch nemesis is a billionaire with a genius-level intellect.

It's just part of the suspension of disbelief that you buy into when you come aboard with the legend.




Tom Welling.

He didn't want to wear the suit. It wouldn't shock me if he wasn't keen on the glasses being a regular thing either.

People still going on with the hearsay about Welling not wanting to wear the suit? C'mon people, we got past this over a year ago.

There was no suit for him to wear, it was never in the producers plans. Souders and Peterson confirmed this.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Anyway, Chapter 6 came out today.

Anybody have a chance to dl it yet?

[RakuMon]

I've never bought this. Even if you had never met Clark until the day after Superman "came out" to the World and had only ever seen him with his glasses, it would take all of about 30 seconds to figure out he was Superman.

There's no realistic way to go about this, never has been, especially given he sits across a desk from the best investigative reporter on the planet (although not an issue on Smallville) and his arch nemesis is a billionaire with a genius-level intellect.

It's just part of the suspension of disbelief that you buy into when you come aboard with the legend.

Agreed. I thought the best way to address this fact on the show would have been in the episode "Whisper" when Clark wears glasses for the first time. There's a scene in which Pete sees Clark in the glasses and knows it's him (of course).

If, at the time, the writers gave a Pete a line like "Clark? Didn't recognize you in those glasses!" then it would have been a fun nod to the comics and a nice foreshadow to the moment Clark actually donned glasses and instantly became unrecognizable.

[Webhead2006]

I still blame the whole flying thing and glasses on gough and millar. As I said they had no interest in doing those things.

[Rockstar]

I've never bought this. Even if you had never met Clark until the day after Superman "came out" to the World and had only ever seen him with his glasses, it would take all of about 30 seconds to figure out he was Superman.

There's no realistic way to go about this, never has been, especially given he sits across a desk from the best investigative reporter on the planet (although not an issue on Smallville) and his arch nemesis is a billionaire with a genius-level intellect.

It's just part of the suspension of disbelief that you buy into when you come aboard with the legend.

It's easier to suspend belief when there's some logic behind the CK disguise.

It doesn't necessarily have to be 100% realistic, but I believe directors like Donner used the word "verisimilitude" to describe it. There has to be a visible change in Superman's appearance (hair, glasses, work suit), voice, mannerisms, posture etc to allow his Clark Kent disguise to fade into the background. That's the best way to sell it to an audience.

It's thin, but it can work. Smallville's take on it completely compromises the slim believability of that.



People still going on with the hearsay about Welling not wanting to wear the suit? C'mon people, we got past this over a year ago.

There was no suit for him to wear, it was never in the producers plans. Souders and Peterson confirmed this.

That interview sounds interesting. I must have missed it. Do you have the link by any chance?


I don't understand why the producers would go to all the effort of CGIing Superman in order to have him physically there in the finale, yet not want Tom Welling to wear the Superman tights?

After ten years, they could have easily made a costume for him. I mean they went to all the effort to make this for just one scene basically:

http://geektyrant.com/storage/page-images/smallville-4.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1301979635065

[SpideyVille]

I don't know whether the talk of Welling not wanting to wear the suit is true or not, but I agree. They went through the trouble of making costumes for several characters that only appeared once, yet by the end of season 9, they already planned on introducing the costume at some point. If they really wanted him to wear it, they wouldn't have bothered to use the SR one as a stand in, especially considering that they used a different prop suit for the shot when Jonathan hands him the suit.

The plan may not have been to show Welling in the suit in its entirety, but with the use of SR CGI models and a drawing of Superman in the suit, it's pretty clear that there was something else going on behind the scenes that forced them to make those decisions.

[Webhead2006]

I think the suit thing was an issue for tom when the show started, but around season 8/9 he changed his view on that.

[vantheman77]

They were able to make suits for the other DCU characters, yet they couldn't or wouldn't make one for the star of the show. That shows you where their priorities were at last year.

When AlMiles didn't want to touch on the areas related to Superman such as flight, tights, and glasses, it was clear they had no intention of lining up with the Superman mythos. By the time they left, Clark was nowhere near his destiny as they had people believed. For them, it was Clark/ Lex/ Lana all the way to their end.

[SpideyVille]

They were able to make suits for the other DCU characters, yet they couldn't or wouldn't make one for the star of the show. That shows you where their priorities were at last year.

When AlMiles didn't want to touch on the areas related to Superman such as flight, tights, and glasses, it was clear they had no intention of lining up with the Superman mythos. By the time they left, Clark was nowhere near his destiny as they had people believed. For them, it was Clark/ Lex/ Lana all the way to their end.
Well, if I recall correctly, the series was going to end after season 4, so Clark was going to be trapped in the fortress for 7 years to sort of line up with the Donner film. But once they decided to continue it past that and into season 5, that's when things started to fall apart because it became more about continuing the show than telling a good story.

I personally feel the show was still doing well until Jonathan's death. After that it went downhill and everything was more focused on finding a reason to keep Clark around, and that was a big fault of Al/Miles. I give Brian and Kelly a lot of credit for being able to turn the show in a new direction after their departure, and despite the mistakes they made halfway into season 8, they still set it up for Clark to actually become Superman at some point.

[Webhead2006]

Actually I believe all the producers said at different times they where not going to do that. Personally I think being locked away in fos for extended time is plain stupid thing to do. I still rather superman be clark creation, and fos is just something from his home and the ai of being able to talk with his father and learn of krypton.

[Johnny]

I personally feel the show was still doing well until Jonathan's death. After that it went downhill and everything was more focused on finding a reason to keep Clark around, and that was a big fault of Al/Miles. I give Brian and Kelly a lot of credit for being able to turn the show in a new direction after their departure, and despite the mistakes they made halfway into season 8, they still set it up for Clark to actually become Superman at some point.

Very true. And that's something so many people don't appreaciate about these two guys despite that they did some stupid stuff too. It's funny how fans used to trash Gough and Miller all the time, then after they left they started to do the same to Brian and Kelly and say how much better everything was during Al/Miles' run. Sometimes it just baffles me how hypocritical a fandom can be. Most fans are extremely fickle, they don't know their ass from their elbow and don't have any clue what exactly they want at all. Out of all the fanbases I can't stand, the Smallville one I hated the worst. Sometimes it still irritates men when I remember some of the crap I used to stumble upon online during the show's run. I know I said this before, but thank God for the Hype. You guys proved to me, whether you were critical or praised the show, that Smallville fans can be so much more than the way I usually saw most of them.

[Webhead2006]

Oh they did have so,e good things and what not but I think most bash them due to when they left and the big mistakes they did. Sure I bash them too for the wrong they did. But yes I can still say they did do good things too.

[herolee10]

I think the suit thing was an issue for tom when the show started, but around season 8/9 he changed his view on that.

Agreed; plus, he had already played the character for so long that if his fear was being typecast from the role due to wearing the suit, it was already in a sense too late for him since he had played the role of "Clark Kent" for so long (longer than any actor in terms of live action).

I mean, the guy did start wearing the "S" by Season 9, though a interesting thing that I've noticed is that, whether it was intentional or not, the S that Clark would don on his outfits before his "superman" one were never made as visible when on screen. I'm not sure if it was a artistic decision to show that even when he had the S on his chest on those outfits that he was still not all the way there or if it was Tom Welling thing, but the S on his chest for his dark blur and Red Leather Jacket outfits were not easy to see, especially his dark blur one.



I personally feel the show was still doing well until Jonathan's death. After that it went downhill and everything was more focused on finding a reason to keep Clark around, and that was a big fault of Al/Miles. I give Brian and Kelly a lot of credit for being able to turn the show in a new direction after their departure, and despite the mistakes they made halfway into season 8, they still set it up for Clark to actually become Superman at some point.

I remember on how many, including Tom, had thought that Clark was going to mature for the better as a result from Jonathan's death but sure enough, he regressed big time soon afterwards. I also heard that Miles and Gough were dissatisfied with Tom's physique as the season went by, telling him that he should have been more toned like Justin Hartley and Alan Ritchson were.

Personally, Clark had the least amount of interesting things to do as a individual character for seasons 6 and 7; if anything, those seasons felt like where the first half for each one was the producers way of trying to create/launch of a new spin off series by bringing in characters like Green Arrow and Supergirl, all at the expense of Clark's own character.

Brian and crew were able to mostly fix that issue when they allowed Clark to become so much better than those two, especially over Oliver when compared to how the status quo was like in seasons 6 and 7.

[Webhead2006]

Tom has stated before he was pretty pissed with the lack of clark development in 5th-7th seasons. But he was locked into contract to a possible 8th season. So he was pretty much stuck. But ya if he had no interest in "costumes" we would have never gotten the blur suits he had.

[Mikelus]

That interview sounds interesting. I must have missed it. Do you have the link by any chance?


Here it is:

The tenth and final season of the CW sci-fi concluded with Clerk Kent finally accepting his destiny as Superman, but never showed star Tom Welling wearing the character's iconic blue and red suit in full.

The complete outfit's only appearance in the finale was in a distant CGI scene where Superman takes flight for the first time to save planet Earth.

Speaking of the controversial creative decision, Peterson told The Hollywood Reporter: "What we wanted to do all along was show hints at where he was going because that is a whole different story that is yet to be told.

"It felt like it gave just enough without starting to tell a whole different story that is left for all the other media... [Showing Tom in the full suit] to me is just not super-relevant and not what we were trying to do."

Peterson also reiterated that the Smallville finale had always been envisioned as an ending to Clark Kent's story and the beginning of Superman's.

He said: "We were actually thrilled that everybody came together and was on board with the shots that we specifically picked.

"We all wanted it to be the end of Clark Kent's journey because it's a show about Clark Kent. In the days when we saw him in a flannel shirt, the suit was the furthest thing from his mind."

http://www.geos.tv/index.php/news?nid=4087&sid=161





When AlMiles didn't want to touch on the areas related to Superman such as flight, tights, and glasses, it was clear they had no intention of lining up with the Superman mythos. By the time they left, Clark was nowhere near his destiny as they had people believed. For them, it was Clark/ Lex/ Lana all the way to their end.

They said they were going to line up:

iF: You brought Lois Lane into this, but it goes against what we know about Lois Lane in the existing mythology. Are you saying this is "your" versions of SUPERMAN or eventually, will all this morph into what we know to be from SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE?

GOUGH: I think it will eventually morph into what you know, it's whether or not you buy the explanations for how they morph in. Some people will and some people won't. The comics over the years have certainly taken liberties with the characters and we certainly have with this story. The plan is that it will all synch up with the mythology we all know.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news/2007-news/2007-news-tv.php?topic=2007-news-tv/0218

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It should be interesting how Snyder, Nolan & co deal with the glasses issue, will they try to make it more believable or keep the tradition?

I agree Oliver revealing his secret was a stupid decision by the SV producers, he should be dead by now, but whatever. I'm enjoying S11 so far, is the best Superman comic IMO, we have the best version of Lex and BQM is one of the best writers right now. Hopefully, it will last for many years to come.

[vantheman77]

Yeah, I saw that interview and if the show was going to link up with the mythology, they would not be around to do it. It was left to Peterson and Souders to align with the mythos.

[vantheman77]

Well, if I recall correctly, the series was going to end after season 4, so Clark was going to be trapped in the fortress for 7 years to sort of line up with the Donner film. But once they decided to continue it past that and into season 5, that's when things started to fall apart because it became more about continuing the show than telling a good story.

I personally feel the show was still doing well until Jonathan's death. After that it went downhill and everything was more focused on finding a reason to keep Clark around, and that was a big fault of Al/Miles. I give Brian and Kelly a lot of credit for being able to turn the show in a new direction after their departure, and despite the mistakes they made halfway into season 8, they still set it up for Clark to actually become Superman at some point.

That's why I hated seasons 5-7 because it was Clark's lost period. Peterson and Souders were able to do what AlMiles wouldn't and that's moving Clark forward in big ways. Whatever original plan AlMiles had was out the window.

[SpideyVille]

Yeah, I saw that interview and if the show was going to link up with the mythology, they would not be around to do it. It was left to Peterson and Souders to align with the mythos.
I remember being on the verge of giving up on SV after season 7 once news came of KK, MR and Al Miles departing and new people taking over, but once again, props to Brian and Kelly for being able to bring it back to life momentarily with season 8, and for delivering an awesome season 9.
That's why I hated seasons 5-7 because it was Clark's lost period. Peterson and Souders were able to do what AlMiles wouldn't and that's moving Clark forward in big ways. Whatever original plan AlMiles had was out the window.
To be fair, Oliver's role in season 6 was good at highlighting how far Clark was from his destiny, and Brian and Kelly took Clark forward greatly in season 8, but almost undid all of hat progress with the Lana arc.

But when I look at the greater picture, I don't mind the BDA tendencies of Clark during those seasons because I almost feel like it was necessary for Clark to have those bad years since it does a good job at showing how far he came when he finally did start to move towards his destiny. The character may not have been written well at the time, but in the end, it was nice to see that Clark made mistakes as opposed to just becoming Superman.

[Rockstar]

Thanks for the article. I remember that now. It came out the week after the Finale aired.

I'm not sure I buy into their explanation. What purpose would they have in teasing the suit, and using the CGI Superman if they never had any intention of letting Tom wear the tights?

Something is off in this picture.

Tom was a producer too. He was in on this decision regardless. He's to blame one way or the other.


Tom has stated before he was pretty pissed with the lack of clark development in 5th-7th seasons. But he was locked into contract to a possible 8th season. So he was pretty much stuck. But ya if he had no interest in "costumes" we would have never gotten the blur suits he had.

Those weren't really 'suits' or costumes, they were basically civilian attire. Normal clothes.

Zod, Lex and many others wore similar trenchcoats with black jeans.


I am curious to see this interview where Welling was supposedly pissed about his character. I remember Welling being very reserved when it came to interviews back then.

[herolee10]

Honestly, the issue that I have with the producers' logic that by showing Tom in the full suit would be to tell a "different" story from the one that they were supposedly trying to tell is that, quite honestly, it doesn't make sense whatsoever.lol

I mean, if they had NO INTENTIONS from the beginning on showing Tom in the full suit, why even build up to that moment where Clark receives the suit, let alone showing the full costume at the FOS or in Clark's barn? They can't be so ignorant to not have thought that people's expectations would have been at a all time high after seeing that. Not to mention, we in a sense already had a not one, but TWO superman-like change ups before the final one:

1. Warrior (Clark rips his shirt to reveal his dark blur shirt)

2. Booster (Clark changes in Superman fashion inside the phone booth)

After 10 years of viewership, the show literally owed its fans more than what we got. Maybe they thought that by showing Superman in any type of action would be service enough, but personally, i don't think it was.

Plus, I want to add that the show was already in many ways, a "superman" one..I mean the only things missing from it was Clark not being able to fly or have the real suit on.

[Webhead2006]

I think with the producers ideas and dc madates changed things over the yrs. Same with fos look and season 5-6 use of sr s shield and all that.

[vantheman77]

When I read the first issue of Smallville Season 11, I'd read it imagining what it would look like if it was shot live. I wonder if the next issue will have a different episode title or will it be called Guardian Part 2.

[Johnny]

They said the first 12 digital issues are the "premiere" Guardian. Meaning the first 3 print issues would be Guardian Part 1-3. Then for the next "episode" we're gonna have a different title.

[Mikelus]

Thanks for the article. I remember that now. It came out the week after the Finale aired.

I'm not sure I buy into their explanation. What purpose would they have in teasing the suit, and using the CGI Superman if they never had any intention of letting Tom wear the tights?

Something is off in this picture.

Tom was a producer too. He was in on this decision regardless. He's to blame one way or the other.


You're welcome. ;)

I think it was up to Tom, he didn't want to for whatever reason. Lets be honest, he's not the biggest fan of the genre either. They knew people wanted to see him in the suit, even Erica said she wanted to see him in it, is a shame they didn't do it.

[SpideyVille]

I remember in the episode where Oliver dressed as the Red Blue Blur, with the cape and everything, Clark had that line that he wouldn't wear anything like that in this lifetime. You can tell that that was such a big nod to how Tom felt.

[vantheman77]

I remember in the episode where Oliver dressed as the Red Blue Blur, with the cape and everything, Clark had that line that he wouldn't wear anything like that in this lifetime. You can tell that that was such a big nod to how Tom felt.

I felt TW was sending a message about wearing the suit.

[Webhead2006]

Like I said though in early yrs to around then tom didn't want to wear a costume. But his views did change towards the end. And sure he did wear the suit and I wish he did. I am still happy we saw him in a few outfits. Plus there is the time he did dress up as green arrow.

[SpideyVille]

I highly doubt that that was Tom in the GA outfit, at least not the full thing. I'm pretty sure they used a stunt double for every shot except the one where Lois kissed him, and for that shot, all he needed was the jacket/top.

[vantheman77]

If TW only wore the top part of the GA suit, that may have foreshadowed his wearing the top part of the Superman suit in the Finale.

Thanks, Johnny, about the first three issues that will be Guardian.

[Webhead2006]

You do you not think it was tom for those scenes of clark in the green arrow suit. I guess we would have to go looking for info from season 6 to see if we can find out anything.

[herolee10]

You know; even IF the rumors are true that Tom did not want to wear the suit still in any way by the end of the series, hence why we never saw Clark really wearing all of it in the last episode, makes me wonder at times on what would have been the case if Brandon Routh had been the one to get the role on SV (since he had auditioned for the role as well) since we all know that he has no issues with wearing the suit.lol

[Webhead2006]

The show probably would have not gone as long as it did if he was in the show. To me and just my opinion of the guy from sr, to his chuck guest spot. He is a very lousy blank slate of an actor. Sure tom was fresh at the start of the show's run. But he grew and develop a lot over the yrs.

[vantheman77]

Like DC's new 52 Superman, the SV Superman has no red underwear. However, since it has some darker colors, I wonder if his suit reminds you of the Eradicator's suit (the one with glasses).

[Young Superman]

Like DC's new 52 Superman, the SV Superman has no red underwear. However, since it has some darker colors, I wonder if his suit reminds you of the Eradicator's suit (the one with glasses).

The first time I saw the Smallville Season 11 costume I thought the same thing.

[SpideyVille]

Isn't the whole costume change, or at least the lost of red tights in every current version of Superman, due to the lawsuit?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Thanks for the article. I remember that now. It came out the week after the Finale aired.

I'm not sure I buy into their explanation. What purpose would they have in teasing the suit, and using the CGI Superman if they never had any intention of letting Tom wear the tights?

Something is off in this picture.

Superman's coming out part to the world was going to be something BIG. Given the show's budget it was only ever going to happen with CG. They weren't going to put Tom on wires in a costume against a green screen or scale model of Apokolips.

Them using a CG Superman for those scenes has no correlation on ever creating and putting Tom in an actual suit. You're adding 1 + 1 and coming up with 3.


Tom was a producer too. He was in on this decision regardless. He's to blame one way or the other. :rolleyes:

Welling had an "Executive Producer" credit which he only got the final two seasons. His creative input into the show was minimal except for the episodes he actually directed. He wasn't hatching plot lines especially ones that would culminate the 10 year run of the show.

Cut the guy a break people. The guy could come out and say "I spent on $1 million on a custom suit for myself and tried to wear it on set but security tackled me and tore it off." and yet some of you would still hold him at fault. I just dont get it?

That being said, this is the thread about the comics. Why are we belaboring this point yet again in here?

[Webhead2006]

I think its partially due to the legal stuff. But then there is that earth one book and he still got trunks there. So it gone for sv is like come on.

[SpideyVille]

I was very glad to see that they kept the red tights for the Finale, but was really disappointed when I saw them change it for the comic. I still haven't read it, but I know Lex makes a reference to him changing his suit again, but I kind of wish they kept it because I just don't like the full blue suit.

[Rockstar]

Superman's coming out part to the world was going to be something BIG. Given the show's budget it was only ever going to happen with CG. They weren't going to put Tom on wires in a costume against a green screen or scale model of Apokolips.

Them using a CG Superman for those scenes has no correlation on ever creating and putting Tom in an actual suit. You're adding 1 + 1 and coming up with 3.


Smallville does greenscreen and wirework quite often. It's well within the show's budget.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2dmdoo1.jpg



It was just intentional for it to involve him not wearing the suit.

It's no coincidence they had to use shots like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MGRZOrXOmds/TdStfIr6j0I/AAAAAAAACqA/pX7VVlZbaco/s1600/finale4.jpg



:rolleyes:

Welling had an "Executive Producer" credit which he only got the final two seasons. His creative input into the show was minimal except for the episodes he actually directed. He wasn't hatching plot lines especially ones that would culminate the 10 year run of the show.

Cut the guy a break people. The guy could come out and say "I spent on $1 million on a custom suit for myself and tried to wear it on set but security tackled me and tore it off." and yet some of you would still hold him at fault. I just dont get it?



You're acting like he had no say over whether he could wear the suit or not, and Brian and Kelly maliciously conspired to keep him from wearing it.

If Welling wanted it, it would have happened.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smallville does greenscreen and wirework quite often. It's well within the show's budget.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2dmdoo1.jpg



You've missed the point. I'm well aware they used green screen in the show at times. However there's no way in hell they had the budget to make something like that with him as Superman saving an airplane and then pushing a planet out of orbit and have it look the slightest bit believable or have it be doable on the show's limited budget.

Having him fly in a barn against a background of stock footage is one thing, having him take on Apokolips in a completely generated environment? Not happening. There's a reason big budget films with 100x the budget of Smallville go the CG route as well.


It was just intentional for it to involve him not wearing the suit.

It's no coincidence they had to use shots like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MGRZOrXOmds/TdStfIr6j0I/AAAAAAAACqA/pX7VVlZbaco/s1600/finale4.jpg

Not sure what your point is? They did CG shots of Clark as the Blur (red/blue and black suit) and CG of Ollie as Green Arrow. Hell, the even CG'd a red cape onto Ollie when he was trying to throw people off Clark's trail.



You're acting like he had no say over whether he could wear the suit or not, and Brian and Kelly maliciously conspired to keep him from wearing it.

If Welling wanted it, it would have happened.
And you're acting like you have one iota of knowledge that he was even ever asked to wear a costume. Every interview you can find states that was never the case. If you're going to convict the man, burden of proof is on you to prove him guilty. Even going back to the Millar and Gough days there was talk of the show simply ending on a shirt rip.

[Rockstar]

Not sure what your point is? They did CG shots of Clark as the Blur (red/blue and black suit) and CG of Ollie as Green Arrow. Hell, the even CG'd a red cape onto Ollie when he was trying to throw people off Clark's trail. .


My point is there were plenty of shots that *could* have shown Tom in the suit, in closeups that didn't involve heavy action.

And you're acting like you have one iota of knowledge that he was even ever asked to wear a costume. Every interview you can find states that was never the case. If you're going to convict the man, burden of proof is on you to prove him guilty .

There wouldn't be any interviews where he overtly says he's against the suit.

He did, however, dodge the question of whether he wore the suit during many of the S10 press interviews, including the Finale interviews.


I may have came into the game late, but way before Season 10.. there seemed to be a sentiment among fans that Welling wasn't interested in playing Superman or wearing the tights. Not sure if there were any offhanded remarks or actions he made to substanciate that.

Low and behold, in the Finale, he didn't don the suit. It just seems too coincidental to ignore.

[ironman29758]

I was very glad to see that they kept the red tights for the Finale, but was really disappointed when I saw them change it for the comic. I still haven't read it, but I know Lex makes a reference to him changing his suit again, but I kind of wish they kept it because I just don't like the full blue suit.


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36952

Having told stories essentially with Clark Kent for so long, how do you make" Smallville: Season 11" different then what readers would get from "Action Comics" or "Superman?"
It's in the title -- it's "Smallville." It's an ensemble piece with Clark Kent at its core. These are continuations of the characters roughly two million people a week, half a year each year, for a decade tuned in to see. If you're someone who stopped watching the show in the early years, come on back. They aren't in high school anymore. He's in the suit. Like, all over the place. You're going to get Superman action. You're going to get derring-do from Green Arrow. Lois and Clark are together -- and happy. So there's some romance there. And Chloe. And Chloe! Chloe Sullivan is here -- you won't find her anywhere else (as far as I know!).
Do you have to tread carefully moving forward as to not dovetail into Clark Kent/Superman's 70-plus year history? Or do the New 52 and the fact this is set in the "Smallville" universe allow you to move quite freely?
There are nods to elements from the DC of the past and present that are going to pop up from time to time, but the book is rolling straight out of the world of the show. So far, the only lining-up/branding hiccup has been the coloring on the Clark's hero outfit. We had the "Superman Returns" version seen briefly in the finale, and DC and I were on the same page on wanting to make the look for the book its own. We've got a new version that's a little bit old, a little bit new, a lot "Smallville." There's a very simple story reason for the change that's spelled out in the second chapter.



Speaking of those first ten pages, it’s obvious that at some point that we’re going to see Smallville’s Superman in a costume, flying. How did it feel for you to see that for the first time, when the artwork began coming in?
It was great. We tried to make as much of a moment as we could, of a head to toe reveal, of Clark in his slightly new Superman suit. It’s not specifically the Superman Returns style suit that we had seen frozen in the Fortress and on that wee little CG Clark in the finale.
There’s a very easy reason for why he’s changed his suit, which literally is a line between Lois and Clark at the top of Week 2. I think it makes total sense.
It’s great. We do it as much as we possibly can. Everyone’s been waiting for so long to see Clark in the suit, so now that we can do it, we’re going to stretch our legs with that.


The idea was mandated by DC but not only it does make sense since most of the heroes(JLA not counting JSA, or Booster) had a leather/hoodie costume going on as well as the fact Clark was wearing a red jacket/blue shirt or blue jacket/red shirt most of times when he was saving someone or even his proto-superman costumes in season 9 and 10. the Smallville season 11 costume makes sense in the end imo.

[Webhead2006]

The suit deaal still though as we been told countless times the suit wasn't rreally what they where going for. The show still was always the journey clark took to take the mantle and wear the suit. Then him wearing the suit. Sure I still would have loved at least a full suit of tom. But I get what they where going for.

[herolee10]

The show probably would have not gone as long as it did if he was in the show. To me and just my opinion of the guy from sr, to his chuck guest spot. He is a very lousy blank slate of an actor. Sure tom was fresh at the start of the show's run. But he grew and develop a lot over the yrs.

That is true. As much as I think that BR is a stand up person, his roles post SR...well like you said, he does come off bland in most of his performances.

If anything, I thought he did a great/good job with his "goofy" Clark though.

The suit deaal still though as we been told countless times the suit wasn't rreally what they where going for. The show still was always the journey clark took to take the mantle and wear the suit. Then him wearing the suit. Sure I still would have loved at least a full suit of tom. But I get what they where going for.

I can understand that; I just wish that the producers would not have teased the suit as much as they had done in the final season. I mean they couldn't have been so ignorant enough to not know that a lot of people would have had their expectations raised once the suit was shown prior to Clark donning it. Plus, with things like having seen so many "superman-like" moments already before the finale, with the super change up in the booth or even the shirt rip in Season 9's Warrior, a lot of people have said that the show owed us more than that after having shown so much and having gone on for much longer than they had originally intended.

Plus, it's one thing to not show Clark in the suit at all till the end, but they had him as Superman saving the day, so they already contradicted themselves there.

[vantheman77]

As I've said last year after the Finale, they had to show Clark's first-ever mission as Superman saving Lois and pushing Apokolips out of Earth and that's where they had to stop as they didn't need to explore further than that, but the new comics covers Clark in his first year as Superman and I'm glad it's written by someone who has written for the show.

PS - The second issue of Smallville Season 11 in print comes out this week.

[The Incredible Hulk]

My point is there were plenty of shots that *could* have shown Tom in the suit, in closeups that didn't involve heavy action.

You mean like this one? Where he actually wore the top to a suit for a close-up?

http://www.whatburnsmybacon.com/web_images/Smallville_Superman_Good.jpg



There wouldn't be any interviews where he overtly says he's against the suit.

He did, however, dodge the question of whether he wore the suit during many of the S10 press interviews, including the Finale interviews.

Tom dodged every question about the Finale and conclusion of the show as he wasnt allowed to say anything. He wasnt going to give away one of the biggest moments of a 10 year show.


I may have came into the game late, but way before Season 10.. there seemed to be a sentiment among fans that Welling wasn't interested in playing Superman or wearing the tights. Not sure if there were any offhanded remarks or actions he made to substanciate that.

Sentiment is a funny thing. At one time sentiment thought the world was flat and that certain men were only worth 3/5's of others. Sentiment is often wrong, as it was in the case with Welling.

[Webhead2006]

I agree they probably never should have teased the suit in season 9 finale and all of ten. Since they should have done just a new blur suit maybe have gone in line a bit more like ga suit ans then show a sv suit for final to a degree.

I can't wait to pick up issue two tomorrow once I am home from work. I just home I am not stuck at work all day and not get chance to pick up comic before my local shop closes.

[herolee10]

I agree they probably never should have teased the suit in season 9 finale and all of ten. Since they should have done just a new blur suit maybe have gone in line a bit more like ga suit ans then show a sv suit for final to a degree.



Heck, I would have been fine with Clark having saved Earth in his red leather jacket blur outfit and then coming down back to Metropolis where we see him on top of the roof and people cheering at the sight of him. Then AFTER that, he'd go to the FOS and finally be deemed "good enough" by Jor-el to get the suit and then cut to the flash forward into the future.

[vantheman77]

Heck, I would have been fine with Clark having saved Earth in his red leather jacket blur outfit and then coming down back to Metropolis where we see him on top of the roof and people cheering at the sight of him. Then AFTER that, he'd go to the FOS and finally be deemed "good enough" by Jor-el to get the suit and then cut to the flash forward into the future.

That's what I expected going into the finale.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Always sort of liked Supes coming out to the world in full regalia. I know in some of the comics he saved the plane in a shirt and jeans, but just something about him in full costume as the bright shining beacon of hope that saves people always really popped for me.

[Rockstar]

You mean like this one? Where he actually wore the top to a suit for a close-up?

http://www.whatburnsmybacon.com/web_images/Smallville_Superman_Good.jpg



And that's all we ever got out of Welling. A mid-transformation Clark Kent shot.

It also proves that production did create some form of the suit that was tailored to fit Tom Welling. So it really wasn't a question of production lacking the means to create the suit, especially after everything they created for earlier episodes.

They could have easily done a shot like this of Welling donning the full costume. They had the means to do so.

http://www.tomwellingunlimited.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_SmallvilleSeason11Comicpg11-1.jpg


But for some reason, it didn't happen.

Brain and Kelly knew the fans wanted to see Tom in the suit as Superman. It couldn't be more obvious from the SDCC appearance. They even went as far to bring in the suit to tease Superman and build up that anticipation.

Something prevented them from delivering Tom in the suit. It's not exactly out of the box logic to say that it was likely Tom Welling.

Even the CG shots featuring actual footage of Welling only showed his head. They were incredibly uncharacteristic and intentional tight shots.

It was almost like they were intentionally censoring the image of Tom Welling as Superman.

Something was fishy.


Brain and Kelly's explanation doesn't really add up logically:
http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/168579-smallville-producers-on-why-tom-welling-never-wore-the-superman-costume

[herolee10]

On another note, a part of me kind of wishes now that given their budget, that they wouldn't have tackled Darkseid, especially after seeing on what we eventually got. Darkseid in any way was way out of their league to do any sort of justice to.

I mean the reason why Zod was considered a great villain in Season 9 was because he was allowed to be shown and developed as a great character on screen. And even when no CGI was required for his appearance, the fight between him and Clark, as great as it was compared to recent fights on the show, it was somewhat badly choreographed in some ways imho.

I mean too bad that they couldn't have applied the same energy and intensity that was put in the titan vs Clark fight; for me that will ALWAYS be the show's best fight sequence period.

Heck, given that they were at least able to give Doomsday a monster appearance, they should have just hired an actor and have him dressed up in the best way that they could resemble Darkseid instead of having him all cgi or inhabiting someone else's body.

[Mikelus]

Lets be honest, Peterson and Souders are not the most brilliant writers in the business. They made way too many mistakes and lacked logic. If you don't have the budget to do characters like Doomsday and Darkseid justice, then use more human or grounded villains, is not like Superman doesn't have enough of those. :whatever:

[herolee10]

One thing that I thought that they could have and should have capitalized on in Season 10 was something that Rick Flag told Clark, on how “more and more heroes were joining his side” when it came to the VRA act.

Given the recent release of the animated film “Superman vs. the Elite” I thought that Manchester Black and his group would have been great to introduce as a main seasonal antagonists for Clark to face, where they’re presented as heroes with of course different and conflicting views on how a hero should be like in today’s world and how their views puts Clark’s ideals and his own group of heroes at risk from the public backlash and so on that they’ll receive as a result.

[Rockstar]

Haha, Rick Flagg and the Suicide Squad. What a waste.

I hated how they turned him into Chloe's b&tch in the Matrix ripoff episode. It was so contrived.

I agree that Darkseid and the New Gods should not have been done on Smallville.

I wouldn't have minded Ultraman as the main villain for Season 10. The Alternate Lionel storyline was the only good storyline during Season 10.

I would have avoided the VRA nonsense too. It was poorly handled and really cheesy.

[SpideyVille]

I kinda liked the VRA storyline (minus Ollie's Iron Man impersonation), because I thought that that would have been what forced Clark to reveal himself to the world. Looking back at it now, I think they could've used that as a reason for Clark to start wearing glasses and developing the whole blundering identity. I really hated how they just dropped that whole storyline, in terms of Flagg and the Suicide Squad, after Beacon. I was really hoping to see some kind of team battle, or even just some appearance by members of the JL.

[herolee10]

If anything, I thought it was unnecessary to introduce the alternate Lionel and Clark Luthor storylines given everything that was going on.

And yeah, instead of the likes of Darkseid being used along with trying to bring in as many new DC characters into the show as they possibly could (Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Superboy), I think they should have just focused on finishing arcs and focusing on the whole VRA thing, with Amanda Waller having been brought back, etc.

Also, imho, the second half of the season in terms of antagonistic problems should/could have been about members of the VRA trying to take revenge on Clark and his allies and declare a private war on them, thus them recruiting all of their past foes like how we saw briefly in “Prophecy”. Not only would that have been easier to do but it would have been better to see imho.

Heck, aside from working out scheduling issues, I think it would have been feasible and I would have been up towards seeing a small scale war between the heroes/antiheroes/villains.

[Rockstar]

The VRA thing would have been tough to pull off with these writers, without it getting preachy or cliche.

I wasn't a fan of the Lex clone stuff either. I think I would have preferred Ultraman to have the Crime Syndicate as his team (SV versions of the Crime Syndicate).

There's so much to explore with that concept and a parallel Earth where Clark is the villain of the story.

So much of it is rooted in the familiar and what we already know about Smallville, it just completely changes the context.

with Amanda Waller having been brought back, etc.

She's dead. Zod set her fat ass on fire.

[SpideyVille]

I think I would've preferred something to happen to Clark where he was missing or trapped somewhere while the rest of the team is fighting off whoever is the current threat, like the Suicide Squad or something. Just not someone too strong like Darkseid or Ultraman.

It could've ended with Clark returning with the suit, making his debut to the world as he saves them and acts as the difference maker in the fight.

[Rockstar]

It could've ended with Clark returning with the suit

Using CGI?



:oldrazz:

[Mikelus]

There's so much to explore with that concept and a parallel Earth where Clark is the villain of the story.

So much of it is rooted in the familiar and what we already know about Smallville, it just completely changes the context.

She's dead. Zod set her fat ass on fire.

Indeed, Clark Luthor could've been the villain of the season, much better than Smokeseid, so much potential wasted. :doh:

Is not that clear what happened to Amanda Waller:

Later, Zod tracked Checkmate down and, as Amanda and Stuart were in the hallway, he used his heat vision to burn down the castle. Waller and Campbell's fate were unknown.

http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Amanda_Waller


Maybe she survived somehow (secret passage, etc) .

[Rockstar]

In the actual footage that was shot, it makes it appear that Zods fire is burning them as they run away.

The only way they could have survived is if Zod allowed them to survive... but that wouldn't really line up with what he was doing.

Eh, I'm sure the comic will retcon it at some point and bring her back.

[SpideyVille]

Well Zod also used his heat vision on Tess and didn't exactly kill her on the spot.

[vantheman77]

The second issue of Smallville Season 11 was a great read in that it had more Superman and more Lex Luthor than the first issue and we're introduced to Hank Henshaw before he became Cyborg Superman. Tess is also in it a little bit more than the first issue. A nod to the comics storyline where Superman rescues the space shuttle with Hank Henshaw and 5 other people aboard. Yes, Chloe is Watchtower again and Oliver confronts Lex about Tess and his space shuttle program. A lot more happens in this issue than the first.

[Webhead2006]

Was able to pick up issue 2 yesterday after work. Another good issue. Solid artwork all around. And loved the swann/star labs connection. Also learning that clark been testing his power limits. The belt thing was interesting idea there. Also the lex stuff is getting interesting. And hank story is moving nicely.

As for tom/suit thing we still have no official word if tom was the whole reason. Another issue could have been man of steel too. Since when smallville was wrapping up on last few episodes last yr mos was starting up. Could have been wb getting pissy on things.

As for vra plot I said it before the plotline of it I liked a great idea to take the heroes from the shadows and get them to come out into the public and be the beacons for the light. I agree how it wrapped didn't go over well.

As for darkseid overall I didn't mind them doing him. But I agree they should have done more with them or changed things around. I would have done myself granny as main baddie of the season with desaad her lacky. With half the season being them testing clark with akaolis baddies. Then probably done orin for guest hero for the season. Tease darkseid through the season and then only have him actually showing up in like last two or three episodes. And just go with a regular actor in some getup like persauder was in legion episode. Or hire another stunt guy or a big wrestler dude and with a little makeup/costume have a better darkseid.

Or if they wanted to conserve the budget more. I also mentioned they could have gone more the route of that comics storyline where darkseid/his minions lost there bodies and took human hosts. And that could have saved budget there. And with that just have normal looking dudes all season. With then maybe have one appearance of darkseid true form.

Ultraman would have been sweet to see more out of him and if they did go evil jl of earth 2. That I would have killed to see. But that was always problem not having the jl actors free for more episodes.

[Rockstar]

Brian and Kelly said there were no restrictions from the film division by Season 10.

"Man of Steel" had zero impact on anything Smallville was doing.

[herolee10]

The interesting thing is that SR is the reason why SV was allowed to bring in Lois Lane into the series since Singer gave it a go; whereas previous filmmakers for the cancelled Superman projects said no.

Course, it was because of the film division that the show couldn't use other kryptonians in the show, hence why Milton Fine was just brainiac and not revealed as the body of Zod like the showrunners had originally intended, and they weren't allowed to use the traditional S until after SR was released.

[The Incredible Hulk]

And that's all we ever got out of Welling. A mid-transformation Clark Kent shot.

It also proves that production did create some form of the suit that was tailored to fit Tom Welling. So it really wasn't a question of production lacking the means to create the suit, especially after everything they created for earlier episodes.

The show didnt create any kind of suit for Welling, it was a left-over from the Superman Returns film, that they slightly altered to fit his chest.


They could have easily done a shot like this of Welling donning the full costume. They had the means to do so.

http://www.tomwellingunlimited.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_SmallvilleSeason11Comicpg11-1.jpg


But for some reason, it didn't happen. Assuming they could've or had planned to do so, what exactly does this shot accomplish that the shirt-rip scene didnt? Why would some of you not be happy unless Tom wore an entire suit and then slowly spun around in it for 3 minutes?


Brain and Kelly knew the fans wanted to see Tom in the suit as Superman. It couldn't be more obvious from the SDCC appearance. They even went as far to bring in the suit to tease Superman and build up that anticipation.

Something prevented them from delivering Tom in the suit. It's not exactly out of the box logic to say that it was likely Tom Welling.

Even the CG shots featuring actual footage of Welling only showed his head. They were incredibly uncharacteristic and intentional tight shots.

It was almost like they were intentionally censoring the image of Tom Welling as Superman.

Something was fishy.


Brain and Kelly's explanation doesn't really add up logically:
http://www.craveonline.com/tv/articles/168579-smallville-producers-on-why-tom-welling-never-wore-the-superman-costumeI imagine you wearing a tin foil hat as you typed this last paragraph. Really man, you're reading WAY too much into this. Welling was under contract, for the last episode they could've dressed him up as Ronald McDonald if they wanted and he would've had to go a long with it. It's Tom Welling we're talking about here, not Tom Cruise.

Also, it's not like they'd have been worried about him signing on for another year. The show did what it could within budget and sticking within the premise of the show. You get a lot more bang for your buck by CGing a scene with a superhero, than you do by paying $250K to create an actual costume that was going to be used for all of about 3 minutes of screen time.

The sentiment about Tom being anti-costume is all internet hearsay and has been going back to him stating he didnt want to do an entire show that was campy with him running around in tights back in 2001 when he got the job. Hell, Tom on numerous occasions talked to people about doing a Superman film, once as far back as 2003 when Brett Ratner was attached.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/84121-tom-welling-on-smallville--superman-movie

[The Incredible Hulk]

Was able to pick up issue 2 yesterday after work. Another good issue. Solid artwork all around. And loved the swann/star labs connection. Also learning that clark been testing his power limits. The belt thing was interesting idea there. Also the lex stuff is getting interesting. And hank story is moving nicely.

As for tom/suit thing we still have no official word if tom was the whole reason. Another issue could have been man of steel too. Since when smallville was wrapping up on last few episodes last yr mos was starting up. Could have been wb getting pissy on things.

As for vra plot I said it before the plotline of it I liked a great idea to take the heroes from the shadows and get them to come out into the public and be the beacons for the light. I agree how it wrapped didn't go over well.

As for darkseid overall I didn't mind them doing him. But I agree they should have done more with them or changed things around. I would have done myself granny as main baddie of the season with desaad her lacky. With half the season being them testing clark with akaolis baddies. Then probably done orin for guest hero for the season. Tease darkseid through the season and then only have him actually showing up in like last two or three episodes. And just go with a regular actor in some getup like persauder was in legion episode. Or hire another stunt guy or a big wrestler dude and with a little makeup/costume have a better darkseid.

Or if they wanted to conserve the budget more. I also mentioned they could have gone more the route of that comics storyline where darkseid/his minions lost there bodies and took human hosts. And that could have saved budget there. And with that just have normal looking dudes all season. With then maybe have one appearance of darkseid true form.

Ultraman would have been sweet to see more out of him and if they did go evil jl of earth 2. That I would have killed to see. But that was always problem not having the jl actors free for more episodes.

You're really missing out by not getting the digital issues.

[Rockstar]

The show didnt create any kind of suit for Welling, it was a left-over from the Superman Returns film, that they slightly altered to fit his chest.

Assuming they could've or had planned to do so, what exactly does this shot accomplish that the shirt-rip scene didnt? Why would some of you not be happy unless Tom wore an entire suit and then slowly spun around in it for 3 minutes?

The fans wanted to see Tom in full costume playing Superman. The producers intentionally built up towards that.

I personally didn't care either way. I'm just more fascinated and amused by the fact he predictably caved.

It's more a shot against the 'Tom Welling for Superman' campaigners than him personally. They were way off the mark.


I imagine you wearing a tin foil hat as you typed this last paragraph. Really man, you're reading WAY too much into this. Welling was under contract, for the last episode they could've dressed him up as Ronald McDonald if they wanted and he would've had to go a long with it. It's Tom Welling we're talking about here, not Tom Cruise.

Also, it's not like they'd have been worried about him signing on for another year. The show did what it could within budget and sticking within the premise of the show. You get a lot more bang for your buck by CGing a scene with a superhero, than you do by paying $250K to create an actual costume that was going to be used for all of about 3 minutes of screen time.

It isn't unprecedented.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hANBabNnauk/TZqyYWtrP5I/AAAAAAAAAZY/54N_eAhzv9M/s1600/blue+beetle.jpeg

They also could have made the fitted suit for him before the start of Season 10 and used that as the prop all season before he wore it, instead of borrowing the SR suit from the Warners Museum.

I knew something was suspicious when they did that, as opposed to designing their own.

The sentiment about Tom being anti-costume is all internet hearsay and has been going back to him stating he didnt want to do an entire show that was campy with him running around in tights back in 2001 when he got the job. Hell, Tom on numerous occasions talked to people about doing a Superman film, once as far back as 2003 when Brett Ratner was attached.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/84121-tom-welling-on-smallville--superman-movie


I imagine you wearing blinders to the obvious. It says he went into that meeting with Ratner knowing beforehand that it wouldn't happen anyway.

So ultimately, it's moot.

The finale did nothing to end the 'internet hearsay.' It could have and should have, but everything we saw in Smallville's final hour just justified the 'Tom being anti-costume' logic.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The fans wanted to see Tom in full costume playing Superman. The producers intentionally built up towards that.

I personally didn't care either way. I'm just more fascinated and amused by the fact he predictably caved.

It's more a shot against the 'Tom Welling for Superman' campaigners than him personally. They were way off the mark.


I'm not sure what your point is exactly? The show built up to Clark becoming Superman, the build up of the show wasn't to show Tom Welling in full costume. If that's what you were waiting for, you sort of missed the point. From Day 1 the show runners said the point of the show was about Clark's journey to becoming Superman.

And the Tom Welling for Superman people were for Tom to play Supes in the feature films not to play him on Smallville. So no one was "off the mark" since as I showed you last post the man met with a film's director about the part meaning he at least considered the option but with SV still in Season 3, it wouldnt have worked from a scheduling standpoint since WB was planning on shooting in Oz and Welling was tied to Vancouver for 9 months a year..



It isn't unprecedented.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hANBabNnauk/TZqyYWtrP5I/AAAAAAAAAZY/54N_eAhzv9M/s1600/blue+beetle.jpeg
That Blue Beetle suit is terrible, it looks like something out of Power Rangers. Sure I guess they could've put Tom in Dean Cain style pajama looking costume, but it would've looked terrible. Were you that hard up to see a costume that you'd want to see the Superman equivalent of that?


They also could have made the fitted suit for him before the start of Season 10 and used that as the prop all season before he wore it, instead of borrowing the SR suit from the Warners Museum.

I knew something was suspicious when they did that, as opposed to designing their own.

Those suits cost upwards of $250K to make. Not exactly cost efficient for a show on a small budget.


I imagine you wearing blinders to the obvious. It says he went into that meeting with Ratner knowing beforehand that it wouldn't happen anyway.

So ultimately, it's moot. No, it's not moot. He said it likely wouldnt have worked due to scheduling since Welling was tied to Vancouver for 9 months a year. If he was completely ruling out the possibility of playing Supes, why would he even take a meeting in the first place?


The finale did nothing to end the 'internet hearsay.' It could have and should have, but everything we saw in Smallville's final hour just justified the 'Tom being anti-costume' logic.Or I guess it will make people believe what they want to believe.

I'm getting the check now. These arguments are all at least a year old, and dont feel like rehashing all of them yet again.

Let's focus on Season 11. There are plenty of other threads to ***** about the alleged shortcomings in the TV show's finale.

[Webhead2006]

I know they said that. But I was just throwing out a theory. Never know what could have happened. Rights stuff was always a fickle thing with sv. Hulk I am not into digital comics. I like to have the actual physical book. Also isn't the digital/physical book the same dam thing. What am I missing then just having short parts three weeks before collected in one book.

As for suit maybe instead of the blur 2 suit. They should have gone something more like cyborg/impluse costume. A more light jacket/suit deal. That probably would have been easier budget wise costume deal.

[vantheman77]

You guys need to go to KSite concerning Smallville Season 11. Something major is happening.

[KalKai]

Cover #3

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/167/f/c/fc64535ec67619cebf00297a436c500d-d53ou9a.jpg

[Webhead2006]

That's been out for awhile kal.

[KalKai]

That's been out for awhile kal.

Not in HQ.

[Johnny]

Not one of Staggs' best efforts at least if Clark's concerned. Some time ago she posted a picture of him probably for the next cover and it was fantastic.


http://prikachi.com/images/15/4897015X.jpg

[BritishChap007]

Not one of Staggs' best efforts at least if Clark's concerned. Some time ago she posted a picture of him probably for the next cover and it was fantastic.


http://prikachi.com/images/15/4897015X.jpg

But the Rosenbaum is dead-on photo-realistic.

[KalKai]

Have you guys read the new chapter?

It had a little bit of everything.

Turns out the spaceship that came down is designed by someone who works in Queen's Industries but Ollie knows nothing about it.

http://i.imgur.com/PWQHS.png

We got to see past SV villains in comic form, that was a nice touch.

http://i.imgur.com/cxtqT.png

The beginning of Cyborg Superman.

http://i.imgur.com/T3ZJT.png http://i.imgur.com/DG35Q.png

Henshaw's wife against Superman.

http://i.imgur.com/KRVdB.png

Superman confronting Lex.

http://i.imgur.com/ZDf0e.png

Superman surrounded by the military.

http://i.imgur.com/wCbSR.png

[Webhead2006]

Man those were some sweet panels.

[Binker]

So...did Superman actually destroy Lex' windows, or was that in Lex' mind?

[BritishChap007]

So...did Superman actually destroy Lex' windows, or was that in Lex' mind?

He actually destroyed Lex's window. Why would you think it was in his mind? There is shattered glass everywhere.

[BritishChap007]

Page 17 should come before 16, if that's what is confusing you. This was an editorial mistake that BQM is fixing.

[Milos]

Love this!

http://i.imgur.com/cxtqT.png

The best chapter so far! Loved all the Chloe stuff!!!

[Johnny]

Wait, did Nam-Ek and Aethyr attack Chloe, too? I don't remember that. I thought they attacked Lois and then Lana and she brought them in the Luthor Mansion, after which Clark sent them back to the Phantom Zone. When did Chloe encounter them or she's simply narrating that they arrived lol.

[Webhead2006]

Probably was narrating on past alien attacks.

[KalKai]

Wait, did Nam-Ek and Aethyr attack Chloe, too? I don't remember that. I thought they attacked Lois and then Lana and she brought them in the Luthor Mansion, after which Clark sent them back to the Phantom Zone. When did Chloe encounter them or she's simply narrating that they arrived lol.

Where are you seeing Nam-Ek and Aethyr attacking Chloe? Chloe is being attacked by Brainiac.

And Oliver is the one narrating not Chloe.

[Johnny]

Yeah, they were just shown using the heat vision in the panel. Not on someone specifically. My bad. No big deal.

[Webhead2006]

Ya that can be an issue if we don't have full context of the scene/panels.

[Johnny]

Noone read the new chapter yet? It was fantastic.

[The Caped Knight]

Noone read the new chapter yet? It was fantastic.

I read it and I'm just loving how BQM is just capturing the essence of the series spot on. "Guardian" really does feel like an on-going continuation of the established Smallville universe rather than just a re-boot elseworld series that try's to integrates itself into the superman mythology.

Keep in mind IMO DC's New 52 idea has really back fired big time in that Superman currently is just not The Man Of Steel we all know and love. Instead he's a revamped isolated alien character and with less humanity .

Anyways back to Smallville, the comic as I continue to read it I really do hear the voices of the cast . The art looks great and I'm just loving the call backs to previous episodes, characters and moments.

I loved Chapter 8 first Superman & Lois rescue since Air force 1, the art and character dialogue is so Erica & Tom.

[Webhead2006]

Ya I too have heard new 52 superman has a lot of problems and mostly steaming from dc execs and writers. Personally I thought the whole half boot deal they did was stupid. Why go and say oh this and this of this character happened burt others a total clean wipe. Either leave things be or do complete start over like they did in 80s. Best thing they could probably do is take that pandora character I read who been a player in the new universe and have her reset back to previous continuity with maybe a few alterations.

[Johnny]

I don't mind the New 52. There were many neat things that came out of it imo. For Superman I agree though, many people who read the Smallville comic say that Smallville's Superman is much more like the one from before the relaunch and that is totally correct. This is the Superman we've known forever. And that says a lot to the Smallville naysayers if you ask me.

[The Caped Knight]

I don't mind the New 52. There were many neat things that came out of it imo. For Superman I agree though, many people who read the Smallville comic say that Smallville's Superman is much more like the one from before the relaunch and that is totally correct. This is the Superman we've known forever. And that says a lot to the Smallville naysayers if you ask me.

52 has worked the best overall for only The Flash and Batman which isn't surprising since Flashpoint revolved primarily around these two characters. The rest not so much, it had the most damaging effect for Superman which is disgraceful that DC's supposed number 1 character has been stripped of his 70 year characteristic in favor of a modern day un relatable isolated alien who more like Spider-Man than Superman.

[ironman29758]

I don't mind the New 52. There were many neat things that came out of it imo. For Superman I agree though, many people who read the Smallville comic say that Smallville's Superman is much more like the one from before the relaunch and that is totally correct. This is the Superman we've known forever. And that says a lot to the Smallville naysayers if you ask me.
personally for me, New 52 Superman is basiaclly the golden-bronze age Superman(parents dead, Lois isn't his wife, No Krypto and barely no interaction with Supergirl or Superboy) with just a new costume and a little more modern.Action Comics has great Superman moments(golden age Superman, etc) and is the best Superman book(with Justice League in second if you count it as a Superman book) but Superman has a few moments which is problem especially since apperentlly Grant isn't revealing that much and the Editor is making changes to the writing but it has gotten better post #7 and hopes it continues getting better.

Smallville Superman is a Superman is a book that has a little of reeve Superman, little of previous comics/cartoon Supermen and a lot of TW Clark Kent which is fantastic and well needed.

[Johnny]

Agreed. New 52 had both ups and downs. Not a big fan of many things it produced but boy, do I enjoy books like Batman, Justice League, Aquaman, Wonder Woman or Green Lantern. And of course, it's awesome that the Smallville comic turned to be everything we hoped to be, and even more.

[Lead Cenobite]

There is a Krypto though, in the Phantom Zone. We may be seeing him again someday.

[Webhead2006]

Krypto the only one we had was selby.

[ironman29758]

Krypto the only one we had was selby.

There talking about Krypto's appearance in Action Comics#5.

[Webhead2006]

ah i didnt know they were talking about dcnu superman.

[ironman29758]

ah i didnt know they were talking about dcnu superman.

It's okay. It happens.

[The Caped Knight]

Nice homage to "Homecoming"

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6dyh8uJVK1ru3zsno2_400.jpg

Of course the rest of the scene rocks
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6dyh8uJVK1ru3zsno1_400.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6dyh8uJVK1ru3zsno3_1280.jpg

[Binker]

Homecoming, yes.

But it's also from this too:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_N3SuI19WJyI/TUbOdlYLofI/AAAAAAAAAcE/_fvwOyyGMtU/s1600/superman06.jpg

[Webhead2006]

Any could also say anytime lois and superman flew together.

[vantheman77]

Great third issue as things get interesting.

[DarKush]

Smallville Season 11 is the Superman book I'm enjoying the most at the moment. Action is a little too odd and all over the place for me and Superman is boring. But Season 11 has been surprisingly good, with solid art, and I really like the suit and wish it had been developed for the TV show.

So far I think the comic has been a nice follow on to the TV show, and I like how they've even kept Tess around. Can't wait until the Batman arc.

Though with all my nice words for the comic series, I'm not too jazzed about what they've done with Hank Henshaw. He's not really a cyborg. And I wonder if he is actually going to be a real cyborg Superman in the Season 11 books.

[Webhead2006]

Just picked up issue three today. Some nice developments with lex/tess situation. Also what lex did to hank. And enjoyed seeing the general. Can't wait to see next issue and see where that rocket story goes too.

[Young Superman]

Nice homage to "Homecoming"

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6dyh8uJVK1ru3zsno2_400.jpg

Of course the rest of the scene rocks
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6dyh8uJVK1ru3zsno1_400.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6dyh8uJVK1ru3zsno3_1280.jpg

Love it, What issue is this from?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Print issue #3 or digital chapter 9.

Although I could do without the glaring typo.

[Webhead2006]

I noticed the typo too totally loled.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Anyone snag digital chapter 10 yet?

[SpideyVille]

Wait, what was the typo?

[Webhead2006]

In this image:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6dyh8uJVK1ru3zsno3_1280.jpg
Lois say day when it was meant to be dad.

[SpideyVille]

Ah, thanks, I see it now. For some reason it made sense to me when I first rest it, but now not so much.

[Webhead2006]

Ya its funny how little things like that still make it out when I am sure there is many folks who go over each book(any in general) before final ok/printing.

[KalKai]

http://i.imgur.com/FveT8.jpg

[BritishChap007]

Week 10 was good, if not a little lackluster. Love Supes and the General. Hank seems to be formidable. Should be neat to see how the season premiere winds down.

[Young Superman]

http://i.imgur.com/FveT8.jpg

Awesome pic.

[Webhead2006]

Cool pic there

[The Caped Knight]

Seriously the way Sam was talking to Superman in this issue highly implies that he knows he's Clark.

[Prison Mike]

how many more chapters to go for the first episode? Can't wait for episode 2 with Batman!

[The Caped Knight]

how many more chapters to go for the first episode? Can't wait for episode 2 with Batman!

Just in time too because THE DARK KNIGHT RISES next week lol :woot: I'm so excited I've managed to stay spoiler free and it's going to pay off big time this upcoming Thursday midnight. I'm all set I've got my IMAX reserved seating tickets and I've bought a new TDKR T-shirt. :batty:

[ironman29758]

how many more chapters to go for the first episode? Can't wait for episode 2 with Batman!

2 more chapters before Guardian ends and Batman Begins(pun intended) :woot:

[Prison Mike]

Can't wait to see TDKR either. I haven't read any of the spoilers but I did see the clips that the actors brought with them for their talk show interviews. Will be seeing it in IMAX either next Saturday or Sunday.

[The Caped Knight]

2 more chapters before Guardian ends and Batman Begins (pun intended) :woot:

lol nice one.

[Webhead2006]

nice to know how much more there is left of guardian so pretty much just one print issue left.

[BritishChap007]

Seriously the way Sam was talking to Superman in this issue highly implies that he knows he's Clark.

Indeed. Just like in Ambush.

And yes, it is exactly 1 print issue left and 2 digitals to go before this stellar season premiere ends. It will be nice to have one full episode in the books.

[ironman29758]

lol nice one.

Thank you:woot:

Before TDKR movie comes out, for the whole week I'm watching the 3 part World's finest episodes, the Hub Batman animated series marathon, a few "The Batman" episodes(which include Catwoman,Bane and Superman), watch a few DcAM(Gotham Knights,Year One, UtRH), read Batman:Earth One and a few other Batman comics and end it on Thursday watching 6 Batman movies (Batman 89- The Dark Knight) and then go to the movie theaters in a Batman shirt.

By the way how was chapter 10 of Guardian? Another clue if General Lane might knowing Clark is The Blur/Superman. Interesting.

[Rockstar]

This is what I don't understand..

How can Clark expect Sam Lane to not know.


As soon as Sam looks at Superman, he's going to recognize Clark dressed in tights.

[sethypants]

hehehe. Stephanie Brown sucks. Thankfully she wont be appearing in Smallville.

[Pepsiguy2]

hehehe. Stephanie Brown sucks. Thankfully she wont be appearing in Smallville.

You and I can never be friends in the future. Not a chance.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I enjoyed issue 10 a lot. Mostly because the focus was actually on Superman and Hank/Lex, also Chloe didnt make an appearance ;)

[Brainiac 8]

Uh-oh, I think Milos heard you! :ninja:

[ironman29758]

Uh-oh, I think Milos heard you! :ninja:

He's back? 'Hides'.