11.1 - Guardian - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[The Incredible Hulk]

In keeping with tradition, figured we could devote episode threads to the new comics episodes coming in April. And since we've got some minor spoilers and info already on the first book including a great interview with Bryan Q. Miller (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36952)about it.

According to several reports, DC Comics has plans to release the first chapter of the resurrection online this coming April 12th, with the actual publications set for release May 16th.Initial spoiilers courtesy of K-Site:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/smallvillespoilers.htm


Keeping with the tradition of one-word titles... the first new Smallville story in nearly a year will be "Guardian." Will it involve the character from Jack Kirby's comics? Or is it referring to the new guardian of Metropolis, the Man of Steel named Superman? Guess we'll be finding out soon! Bryan Q. Miller is doing the writing.A few semi-spoilery premiere bits from the Miller interview


Season 11 is about all of our players transitioning into the next phases of their lives. Work, love, heroics and villainy all play a part in how they're settling into a very "Look! Up in the sky!" world. The season premiere, as all of ours historically have, sets up not only the plot-journey for the year, but what everyone's personal struggles will be. That isn't to say there will be tons of angst. There's only a bit of angst here and there. The goal is to make this as entertaining a read as possible, and Clark's at our center for that. He's how we'll process that information. He's Superman now. No more hiding in the shadows in a black trench coat or a red jacket. He gets to shake hands with the people he saves. He likes flying. He's transitioning from seeing his abilities as a burden to seeing them more as a job. And he loves his work.
Storytelling-wise, Season 11 episodes are -- bigger. Each episode is more like a mega-episode, or a TV movie that continues the "Smallville" saga. If you're going to buy a chapter each week, I'd like you to feel like you've gotten your money's worth by the time each mega-sode ends. If you're picking it up collected in print issues, you're going to get a substantial read every month.
Oh, sure. Big time. We'll get a slightly new twist on a pretty big Superman villain from the comics in the premiere (which runs the first 12 weekly chapters)
It's in the title -- it's "Smallville." It's an ensemble piece with Clark Kent at its core. These are continuations of the characters roughly two million people a week, half a year each year, for a decade tuned in to see. If you're someone who stopped watching the show in the early years, come on back. They aren't in high school anymore. He's in the suit. Like, all over the place. You're going to get Superman action. You're going to get derring-do from Green Arrow. Lois and Clark are together -- and happy. So there's some romance there. And Chloe. And Chloe! Chloe Sullivan is here -- you won't find her anywhere else (as far as I know!)Cover art: Issue 1.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/smallville_cover_1_02.jpg

release schedule for Guardian for those who havent seen it:

May 2 - print issue #1 (collecting digital chapters 1-3)
May 18 - digital chapter 4
May 25 - digital chapter 5
June 1 - digital chapter 6
June 6 - print issue #2 (collecting digital chapters 4-6)
June 15 - digital chapter 7
June 22 - digital chapter 8
June 29 - digital chapter 9
July 4 - print issue #3 (collecting digital chapters 7-9)
July 13 - digital chapter 10
July 20 - digital chapter 11
July 27 - digital chapter 12
Aug. 1 - print issue #4 (collecting digital chapters 10-12)

[BH/HHH]

I can't wait for this I also just clicked its gonna be nice seeing Lois and Clark together in comics, thats one of the main things I miss in the New 52.

[BritishChap007]

Perfect. Thanks for starting the thread. It feels great having new to look forward to again. A void in my heart has been filled.

[The Caped Knight]

It is good to be doing this again .

[Indy1Jones]

Awesome thread.

[BH/HHH]

Luckily I'm getting my iPad next month so I can download this on the DC Comics app

[Lord]

Hoping mr Mxyptlk or something like that returns

[Binker]

Bigger image of the Gary Frank cover:
http://i.newsarama.com/images/smallville_cover_1_02.jpg

BTW, since they are (I assume) continuing the one-word titles from the show to the comic, might as well rename the finale episodes. For me, I pick the same titles from last year: DESTINY & SUPERMAN.

[KalKai]

This really has me pumped up, dare I say more than the episodes themselves! Well it can't be helped now that it's full-on Superman.

[Webhead2006]

Can't wait, sounds like some good stuff.

[Milos]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36952

In light of this news, CBR News spoke with Miller, who told us Chloe and Lex will have significant roles in the titlehttp://209.85.48.11/3331/77/emo/emo015.gifhttp://209.85.48.11/3331/77/emo/cheer.gif

[Johnny]

^^ Here we go again. :D

[vantheman77]

Ah, happy days are here again and it's not complete without Milos celebrating Chloe in the new Smallville comics.

The suit in the SV comics is what TW rightfully deserves instead of the SR suit after 10 years. I wonder if there's going to be promotion for the comics and if any SV cast members will help promote it.

[The Caped Knight]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36952

In light of this news, CBR News spoke with Miller, who told us Chloe and Lex will have significant roles in the title

http://209.85.48.11/3331/77/emo/emo015.gifhttp://209.85.48.11/3331/77/emo/cheer.gif

Ah crap not this again :whatever:

[Webhead2006]

As to be expected from milos, as for press it probably just ge some web stuff and things in comic shops. Now when we get around to release. Would be great to hear from cast on what they think of it.

[vantheman77]

Dr. Hamilton needs to be included as well as Kara and Conner.

[Webhead2006]

Well I don't see why emil, and others won't be there. Millar has mention we will see the jl and others. Now of course probsbly not full time but I don't see why they won't pop up from time to time.

[The Boy Scout]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36952

I'm thrilled to hear Lex will play a large role, but I'm not a huge fan of Chloe. Like...at all.

[Johnny]

Chloe was sometimes written very well, other times not so much. But I think Bryan Miller always showed her in a good light and I hope he does the same here. Chloe to me had its ups and downs over the years, and I have especially rotten things to say about big portion of her fanbase, but as a whole she has always been a character I had a soft spot for. I simply could not dislike her. If she was played by anyone other than Allison Mack, then she might've started to get on my nerves, but not Allison. I'm glad she played her so long and creating this character is one of the few things I'm grateful to Beavis & Butthead aka Gough & Miller.

[The Boy Scout]

Chloe was sometimes written very well, other times not so much.

You're telling me. It eventually got so bad that I started to hate the character. I still do, as a matter of fact.

EDIT: And pairing her up with Oliver (a character who I dislike almost as much) didn't help at all.

...but as a whole she has always been a character I had a soft spot for. I simply could not dislike her.

That makes one of us. :cwink:

If she was played by anyone other than Allison Mack, then she might've started to get on my nerves, but not Allison.

I love Allison. I think she's a good actress. My issues with Chloe have nothing to do with her.

[Johnny]

Fair enough. I look forward to S11 and Chloe is a character I'm interested to see what Miller will do with.

[The Boy Scout]

I'm interested in seeing how Clark will grow and change and how he'll interact with the people around him as Superman. And...I kinda wanna see Batman. :woot:

[Young Superman]

I'm so excited for this.

[Webhead2006]

Well bryan does mention the second issue/chapter will feature someone special from dc universe. I think its hint to bats. As for chloe for me I liked her character more then I ever did lana's. Now yes at times chloe wasn't good. But that happened to most characcters in the show.

[Binker]

I just came from the DC website, where the issue is listed; it doesn't say "not final cover" so where did you find that?

Also, we've been talking about the artists from the covers, and the good and bad that came with it, that I thought we should at least talk a bit about the interior artist: Pere Perez.

I didn't recognize the name until I saw I googled him, and saw some of the work. The guy did some work relating to the Superman: New Krypton Saga, with Action Comics #881-889. He also did Batgirl, an issue of Birds of Prey, and the final two issues of the Return of Bruce Wayne, among others. He also switches from gritty to simple in terms of the realism presented, but the artwork is good, which makes him being on this thing a good thing because at least we know the artwork inside these book(s) will be good and fun to look at.

Here are some examples:
http://www.imakinarium.net/notis/2009/06/090627_pere_perez/pere_perez_actionannual122.jpg
http://www.imakinarium.net/notis/2009/06/090627_pere_perez/pere_perez_actionannual127.jpg
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw1la2nFTE1qjcq1co1_500.jpg
http://wb.cdn.warnerbros.com/dcublog/files/2011/04/bop_11_dylux_-8-copy.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/2vuc5k0.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36139/1512818-return_of_bruce_wayne__6_007_super.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36139/1515152-return_of_bruce_wayne__6_033_super.jpg

More info of his work can be found here:
http://www.comicbookdb.com/creator.php?ID=12352

[Webhead2006]

I believe i heard it on another board but i dont know for sure.

[The Caped Knight]

Dr. Hamilton needs to be included as well as Kara and Conner.

I'm sure they will be at least Kara and Conner will be, because the Daily Planet newspaper for 2017 that is featured in the complete series dvd boxset has an article that mention the presence of Supergirl and Superboy in Metropolis .

[vantheman77]

I'm sure they will be at least Kara and Conner will be, because the Daily Planet newspaper for 2017 that is featured in the complete series dvd boxset has an article that mention the presence of Supergirl and Superboy in Metropolis .

Good. I'd imagine the 11th season and perhaps beyond will try to line up with 2017-18.

[ironman29758]

I'm sure they will be at least Kara and Conner will be, because the Daily Planet newspaper for 2017 that is featured in the complete series dvd boxset has an article that mention the presence of Supergirl and Superboy in Metropolis .
can you post it because i have never gotten the chance to see the newspaper yet

[SpitCurl]

This is...interesting. I'm torn between loving the idea and being kinda pissed off.

Pluses:

1.) Sounds like BQM will be doing the scripting himself verses passing each issue around like the village floozy, which caused wildly inconsistent seasons during the show's run. This at least means continuity.

2.) No distracting special-effects or limitations in scope. The stories can now be as broad in scale as BQM wants, and it won't cost DC one additional red cent (I refuse to use the word "e_ _c" after being traumatized by CW PR releases).

3.) As others have said, it may free up guest-appearances by heroes either restricted from or not feasible in live-action, plus being able to do large-scale villains and confrontations. Being essentially, "Superman: Year One", that means no Darkseid or Doomsday for a while, but it's nice to know SV Clark could interact with characters on that visual scale without the characterizations being half-a**ed.

4.) A chance to clear-up lingering plot-holes, assuming BQM even remembers what plot-holes there were (and there were a lot).

Minuses:

1.) Really thought the days of people whining about episodes or arcs needing more Chloe were over. For f**k's sake, not this s**t again...

2.) But honestly, what keeps me from being enthusiastic about this is that - if the show-runners were genuine in their assertion that "the show was never about Superman/Once he's Superman, it's over", and hence no real suit or flight 'til the last minute, then - this feels like a slap in the face by DC for allowing in 2D what I'm sure 99% of the fan-base wanted all along: SV Clark in live-action as Superman. It contradicts their entire rationale for stalling from S5 onward, not putting Tom in the suit, and holding off flight - and for using that godd***n SR suit instead of creating their own.

So... on one hand, "aight, sounds decent", and on the other, "DC can all eat a bag of d**ks".

[vantheman77]

This is...interesting. I'm torn between loving the idea and being kinda pissed off.

Pluses:

1.) Sounds like BQM will be doing the scripting himself verses passing each issue around like the village floozy, which caused wildly inconsistent seasons during the show's run. This at least means continuity.

2.) No distracting special-effects or limitations in scope. The stories can now be as broad in scale as BQM wants, and it won't cost DC one additional red cent (I refuse to use the word "e_ _c" after being traumatized by CW PR releases).

3.) As others have said, it may free up guest-appearances by heroes either restricted from or not feasible in live-action, plus being able to do large-scale villains and confrontations. Being essentially, "Superman: Year One", that means no Darkseid or Doomsday for a while, but it's nice to know SV Clark could interact with characters on that visual scale without the characterizations being half-a**ed.

4.) A chance to clear-up lingering plot-holes, assuming BQM even remembers what plot-holes there were (and there were a lot).

Minuses:

1.) Really thought the days of people whining about episodes or arcs needing more Chloe were over. For f**k's sake, not this s**t again...

2.) But honestly, what keeps me from being enthusiastic about this is that - if the show-runners were genuine in their assertion that "the show was never about Superman/Once he's Superman, it's over", and hence no real suit or flight 'til the last minute, then - this feels like a slap in the face by DC for allowing in 2D what I'm sure 99% of the fan-base wanted all along: SV Clark in live-action as Superman. It contradicts their entire rationale for stalling from S5 onward, not putting Tom in the suit, and holding off flight - and for using that godd***n SR suit instead of creating their own.

So... on one hand, "aight, sounds decent", and on the other, "DC can all eat a bag of d**ks".

This is why I said the Finale was a lightswitch with Clark flying at the last minute. We'll have to look at this 11th season as what would have been if the show continued.

[Milos]

I look forward to S11 and Chloe is a character I'm interested to see what Miller will do with.

http://209.85.48.11/3331/77/emo/cheer.gif

[Johnny]

Yeah, I love Chloe. Just not her fanbase. ;)

[Webhead2006]

I don't see flight as a light switch since its been a developing thing over the yrs. And I don't fully agree with spitcurl 2nd minus.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I dont see any minuses in this really. The franchise continues yet the TV show, which was always said to be about the journey, ends. Nothing's changed. Different medium and they've given it to a quality writer of that medium who also happened to work on the actual show.

[vantheman77]

Geoff Johns has written 3-4 episodes of Smallville, I can see him co-write for the 11th season as well. I was hoping the title would be Superman.

[Prison Mike]

I'm kind of confused how this episode/issue thing will work. Is each digital issue an episode or does an episode make up multiple digital issues?

[Johnny]

I don't think Johns will do it, considering he writes Justice League, Green Lantern and Aquaman. I personally don't see it possible for a writer to work on 3 books simultaneously and still find time to do a guest spot on another. Though I've been wrong before...

[Webhead2006]

Ya johns is far to busy with dc responsibilies and all the other titles he is writing right now. We know its just BQM and i guess each issue will be consider a chapter/episode.

[Binker]

Okay, this isn't Welling but Routh, and this is as close as I could get it, but I think this is the suit for Smallville Season 11:
http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/2010Binker/BRANDON_ROUTH_AS_SUPERMAN_by_supersebas4.jpg

[Bruce_Begins]

Looks good, was there a neck collar ?

also I want to see this manip with Welling's head.

[Binker]

Welling, huh?
http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/2010Binker/s9dvdartworkbinkmaman-Copy2A.jpg

[Bruce_Begins]

Just perfect. :D :up:

Edit: I wish they had taken this Suit for the new movie (MOS).

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm kind of confused how this episode/issue thing will work. Is each digital issue an episode or does an episode make up multiple digital issues?

Each weekly digital issue is a chapter. There will be 12 chapters in the premiere "episode."

[Prison Mike]

Each weekly digital issue is a chapter. There will be 12 chapters in the premiere "episode."

Thanks for the clear up.

[Rockstar]

He looks like he's wearing a woman's leotard.

The Man of Steel suit is a hundred times better.

Just perfect. :D :up:

Edit: I wish they had taken this Suit for the new movie (MOS).

[Webhead2006]

It still irks me a bit with costume change for sv book, let alone the dcnu superman suit.

[Rockstar]

I'm sure it will look fine in artwork, most costumes do.

It would just look totally ridiculous in live action.


And Gary Frank is a great artist. His Reeve Superman is badass.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3pfdxF4Xn1qzbn4do1_500.jpg

[Johnny]

And that's both his biggest strength and weakness in my opinion. When he uses Reeve as a model for his Superman, he can't go wrong. But as we see when he tries to do it with someone else he falls flat. This guy has my utmost respect and I can't wait for Batman: Earth One but so far he hasn't proven he can draw Superman unless it's Reeve-inspired.

[Rockstar]

What do you mean when he tries to do it with someone else?

His cover to Smallville looks nothing like Reeve. It's undoubtedely Welling in comic form. Look at the eyebrows and lips.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/smallville_cover_1_02.jpg

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Tom-Welling-as-Clark-Kent-on-Smallville.jpg

[Johnny]

I mean that he's not nearly as good at drawing Tom Welling as he is Christopher Reeve. But that's his first attempt so I'm not gonna burn him at the stake for it lol. When I see his next Smallville covers I'll be able to make more decent judgment.

[Webhead2006]

The frank cover isn't as good as the kat one. And heck we don't even know how the real interial artist work will look.

[The Incredible Hulk]

http://postgygaxian.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/captain-obvious-to-the-rescue.jpg

[Webhead2006]

I was only getting at that we don't know how to judge how the book artist is vs the two covers. But from the stuff folks have posted. I can't wait to see how the inner art is.

[Indy1Jones]

I was only getting at that we don't know how to judge how the book artist is vs the two covers. But from the stuff folks have posted. I can't wait to see how the inner art is.

Me too.

[The Caped Knight]

Media Geek Exclusive Interview: Bryan Q. Miller on Smallville Season 11
SHreCEAnDKQ

I love this part from Bryan

"What he’s got now that he didn’t have before is literally almost a partner in Lois Lane. So [she is] kind of a Jiminy Cricket for him and also someone he can be completely and totally open and honest with. She’s totally in the know, so she’s kind of his…not just his comrade, but also his conscience. Even though he can fly now, Lois still very much helps keep him grounded. So that can only help his career as Superman."

[Webhead2006]

Just listened to that myself. Sounds a good way for supes/lois.

[Johnny]

Wow, after all these years it almost feels surreal to listen people call Clark Superman now. But damn it, he finally is. He indeed is Supes now lol. Nice interview by Bryan.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Media Geek Exclusive Interview: Bryan Q. Miller on Smallville Season 11
SHreCEAnDKQ

I love this part from Bryan

"What he’s got now that he didn’t have before is literally almost a partner in Lois Lane. So [she is] kind of a Jiminy Cricket for him and also someone he can be completely and totally open and honest with. She’s totally in the know, so she’s kind of his…not just his comrade, but also his conscience. Even though he can fly now, Lois still very much helps keep him grounded. So that can only help his career as Superman."

Nice find. Liked Miller's insights into what's coming even though he did say "Chris Reeves" *sigh*

[SpideyVille]

Gary Frank is a great artist, especially with his Reeve version of Superman. The art alone is what made me buy Superman: Secret Origin and Superman: Brainiac. I love how much it resembles Reeve and (Kidder as Lois to some extent.)

I will say though, I'm not a big fan of the new costume look, though I'm guessing that it has to change because of the movie and lawsuit issues. But still I wish I could see Welling in comic form similar to the way Frank illustrated Reeve with the traditional costume. In fact, I started this drawing during the summer and finally finished the coloring this past weekend. It's based on a drawing of Frank's Superman in Secret Origin, only with Welling's face.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/J-Rod_007/Superman2.jpg

[Young Superman]

Gary Frank is a great artist, especially with his Reeve version of Superman. The art alone is what made me buy Superman: Secret Origin and Superman: Brainiac. I love how much it resembles Reeve and (Kidder as Lois to some extent.)

I will say though, I'm not a big fan of the new costume look, though I'm guessing that it has to change because of the movie and lawsuit issues. But still I wish I could see Welling in comic form similar to the way Frank illustrated Reeve with the traditional costume. In fact, I started this drawing during the summer and finally finished the coloring this past weekend. It's based on a drawing of Frank's Superman in Secret Origin, only with Welling's face.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/J-Rod_007/Superman2.jpg

That looks AWESOME!

[The Incredible Hulk]

Gary Frank is a great artist, especially with his Reeve version of Superman. The art alone is what made me buy Superman: Secret Origin and Superman: Brainiac. I love how much it resembles Reeve and (Kidder as Lois to some extent.)

I will say though, I'm not a big fan of the new costume look, though I'm guessing that it has to change because of the movie and lawsuit issues. But still I wish I could see Welling in comic form similar to the way Frank illustrated Reeve with the traditional costume. In fact, I started this drawing during the summer and finally finished the coloring this past weekend. It's based on a drawing of Frank's Superman in Secret Origin, only with Welling's face.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/J-Rod_007/Superman2.jpg


that looks incredible man :up: At first I thought this was the art from the book. I know it's not but it SHOULD be.

[Johnny]

That's why I say Frank is an incredible artist. Great job for putting Tom's face on it. I really hope Gary proves us wrong that he can only draw Reeve-inspired Superman.

[Webhead2006]

well remember frank isnt doing the book's art, just some covers.

[The Caped Knight]

I will say though, I'm not a big fan of the new costume look, though I'm guessing that it has to change because of the movie and lawsuit issues. But still I wish I could see Welling in comic form similar to the way Frank illustrated Reeve with the traditional costume. In fact, I started this drawing during the summer and finally finished the coloring this past weekend. It's based on a drawing of Frank's Superman in Secret Origin, only with Welling's face.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/J-Rod_007/Superman2.jpg

SEE NOW THAT's HOW SUPERMAN Should look like. :applaud:super::applaud

[Johnny]

well remember frank isnt doing the book's art, just some covers.

Yeah, but unfortunately a lot of comicbooks' art is initially judged by the cover. That's why when the cover artist is different than the interior artist it can get tricky. That's something I'm personally not always a fan of cuz I believe there should be some sort of consistency between covers and interiors. If it's a variant cover, then by all means make it look as different as they want. But if it's not then for the lack of a better phrase, it kind of takes away the feeling a little. We'll see, that's only nitpicking after all. And I still hope Frank gives us a better looking Tom Welling down the line.


PS: This is Frank's variant cover for Action Comics this month with the New 52 Superman:

http://wb.cdn.warnerbros.com/dcublog/files/2012/03/AC_Cv8_var_ajksdf67892643.jpg

[Young Superman]

SEE NOW THAT's HOW SUPERMAN Should look like. :applaud:super::applaud

Agreed:up:

[SpideyVille]

That looks AWESOME!

that looks incredible man :up: At first I thought this was the art from the book. I know it's not but it SHOULD be.

SEE NOW THAT's HOW SUPERMAN Should look like. :applaud:super::applaud
Thanks guys, and yeah this is definitely my ideal vision of Superman, both in face and costume. I only wish we could see something similar, especially with a comic based on Smallville.
Yeah, but unfortunately a lot of comicbooks' art is initially judged by the cover. That's why when the cover artist is different than the interior artist it can get tricky. That's something I'm personally not always a fan of cuz I believe there should be some sort of consistency between covers and interiors. If it's a variant cover, then by all means make it look as different as they want. But if it's not then for the lack of a better phrase, it kind of takes away the feeling a little. We'll see, that's only nitpicking after all. And I still hope Frank gives us a better looking Tom Welling down the line.

I completely agree. Personally, I've never been a huge comic reader so I don't have to many, but usually for me, the biggest thing that draws me to a comic is the art style. For example, I got Secret Origin and Brainiac because I liked the style and the resemblance to Reeve. But /i believe there was a comic that continued that story arc with New Krypton and the first few pages were done by Frank, whereas the rest were done by someone else with a completely different art style. It really turned me away from that book so I didn't bother.

The same thing happened recently with a comic cover of the Green Arrow wearing the Smallville costume, and I was interested in the look and style, but the inside was different and it turned me away. I've seen other work from the cover artist on his deviantart page and he does excellent work, but I noticed a lot of it is only for covers and variant covers which I think does take away from the consistency and experience, at least for me.

[Johnny]

^^ It certainly does. Same thing goes for Smallville here. If a Smallville fan who doesn't know the details about S11 and only sees GF's cover and dislikes it, they wouldn't even bother to read the comic cuz they would think the interior has the same art the cover does. Covers do have big significance for the over-all experience indeed.

[Webhead2006]

oh i totally agree johnny, the cover art should be done by interior artist, unless of course they are doing a special variant cover/covers series which is when a different artist should be brought in.

[fixxxer1022]

as cool as a comic is i don't think i can get into it like i did the show. hard to believe it's been off the air for almost a year now. if they wanted to continue it soo bad they should of onscreen. the fanbase would and still is there for smallville.

[SpideyVille]

The thing is the fanbase they had wasn't that big, especially compared to ratings for other shows on other networks and the CW. Smallville has constantly dropped in viewership season after season, so the fact that they were allowed to finish the series on their terms as opposed to being cancelled is something tht we should all be grateful for.

Not to mention, the show has now become a Superman show, so if they had wanted an eleventh season, it would not have been about Clark being Superman with the tights and flights because now it would be a different show and they would have to raise the bar to a level where it would consistently have to be on par with episodes such as Absolute Justice on a weekly basis, in terms of storyline and hero presence. And Smallville was never really about that. And with the low budget they already had, there's no way they could've built it for another season or two.

But I agree, I know it will be hard to get into the comics, especially since I've never been much of a comic book reader, and all of the magic that comes from seeing Tom and Erica on screen on a weekly basis is not going to be there. I just hope they come up with some cool stories and art styles that do the show some justice.

[Webhead2006]

I dont think it will be that hard to get into it as a comic.

[Webhead2006]

just found some new details on sv comic:
http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/122/1221300p1.html
On When Smallville: Season 11 Is Set:

So in the finale, there was this seven year time jump that went to everyone seven years in the future. We are not that far in. We're six months after Clark became Superman for the first time and pushed Apokolips out of orbit, because we had a proto-Darkseid causing some chaos and Apokolips was going to crash into Earth and people were not happy! Superman saved Air Force One with Lois on it and then he pushed the planet out of orbit. So it's kind of Superman: Year One with a Smallville cast of characters.

On Whether Or Not We'll See The Likes Of Batman And Wonder Woman:

People keep asking that, it's the weirdest thing! [laughs] There's certainly a chance for lots of DC guest stars to show up, and lots of DC guest stars will show up. But the focus is primarily on Clark as Superman. So if they do come in, just like they did on the show, it would somehow have to inform what Clark is going through. I mean there's a cast of at least five characters, possibly more, who are regulars in the comics. It's definitely an ensemble piece, so people will come in and out but there's already a very large pool of characters to play with.

On The Status Of Lex Luthor In The Series:

I would say that the situation you have is a Lex Luthor who has lost his memory after he killed his half-sister Tess. Whether or not he remembers that moment could be up for debate. He definitely came back into the world with Apokolips in the sky and a dead Tess on the floor in his office. Our cast knows that the last person to see Tess alive was Lex, so whether or not he remembers it, I think that is kind of a dark stain on Lex's "new man" status. They all know that even though he may say it was just a suicide, they don't really believe that after everything Tess went through she would do that. Whether or not there are consequences to it, even if she's not there I think Tess is still very present.

On Introducing New Characters And The Chances Of Seeing Connor Kent Return:

In the first arc, we meet a former astronaut named Hank Henshaw. As for Superboy, at least not at first. Because he's tied to Martha, since she's kind of custodian for him now. I think there is an opportunity for the younger tier of heroes that we've set up, if not the Titans, then… well, we've had Blue Beetle on the show, our version of the Wonder Twins on the show, Mia never quite reached Speedy but that's not saying she can't become Speedy officially. There's definitely something to be explored in that area.

[BH/HHH]

just found some new details on sv comic:
http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/122/1221300p1.html

Very interesting stuff really hope at some point we get to see Conner again and I'm dying to see what Smallville world Batman will be like so hopefully we get him one day.

[Johnny]

Yeah, it's cool we'll finally have a Smallville season without the annoying restrictions. I totally get why DC will restrict them when it comes to Bruce and Diana, but when it came to Smallville, at least in my eyes DC's restrictions never made much sense. They let them bring in huge characters like Darkseid and Doomsday, yet they didn't let them bring someone like Vandal Savage, so they had to change him into Curtis Knox. They didn't let Bart be called Flash, he had to be called Impulse. Lois and Clark couldn't be close for so long because they were "too young". All sorts of little details that in the long run were annoying. Smallville was not connected to the main DC Universe anyway so why would DC want to make the producers do things that are supposed to fit in the comic canon? I'm so glad this issue is over.

[Webhead2006]

I too hope to see conner and the others show up.

[herolee10]

I kind of hope that we get a comic issue where we actually get to see the final days of Krypton truly explored since they wont' have to worry about budgets and such to display the events in the way that it should be.

[Johnny]

Bryan Miller talks S11 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EVgz3a232JU

[Webhead2006]

Nice find there johnny. Nothing to new there that we haven't heard already. But april can not get here any sooner. So we be upon the release(digital) and may for physical book.

[The Caped Knight]

* Season 11 will likely be revisiting the concept of an all female hero story.

* Writing for the page rather than screen means there’s room for more classic Clark/Lois banter in the comic than Miller was able to include in most episodes of the show.

* Somewhat vague hint Bart might return.

* DC editorial hasn’t been providing BQM with very many restrictions or guidelines. The design of Clark’s Superman costume is one of the few examples of DC getting involved.

* Dan Turpin and Maggie Sawyer will show up in the second “episode” of the comic.

* Frank “the newsstand guy” will be making an appearance.

* There’s is no sign of Cat Grant appearing yet, but it could happen at some point in the future.

* There will be “loads” of Lois and Clark.

* There is a conscious effort to keep Clark in the comic as much as possible. Clark is “front and center.”

* There will be “tons” less angst with Clark now that he's Superman.

* As Superman, Clark can stay behind and shake hands. He can give advice and encouragement. He has a different set of responsibilities. He inspires people.

* The first scene in Week 2 features Clark and Lois catching up while Clark is brushing his teeth. The idea is to make sure the comic presents these characters as “real people.”

* Tess’s death is not something that’s brushed under the rug. It’s definitely something everyone is aware of.

* Clark’s inner circle will struggle with accepting Lex’s claims he’s a new man without any memories, especially since they suspect he killed Tess. However, they are hesitant to do anything about their suspicions out of fear they might expose their own secrets. It’s a very “tricky” situation for everyone.

* Lex possesses instincts that are tied to his past memories, but not specific information about his memories. It’s instinct not information. However, BQM didn’t dismiss the possibility Lex could gather some of this information from newspapers, photos, paintings, etc.

* When asked if Lex would be attempting to reclaim his memories, BQM admitted he would like to reveal more but could not do so without giving away too many spoilers.

* Miller is proud to have written some Chloe dialogue without extensive metaphor and is trying to avoid having Lex quote classic literature like Art of War.

* There’s a fun scene in the first 30 pages that addresses whether or not Clark (not Superman) is on Lex Luthor’s radar.

* There will be a decent amount of Superman/Lex scenes.

* By the time readers get to the end of the first 12 weeks (Episode #1), Chloe and Oliver will be the “in” to the “larger mythology of the season.”

* Green Arrow isn’t as needed as before. Chloe and Oliver are eager to start their married lives together in Star City, but things keep pulling them back to Metropolis. There’s a much larger problem they have to address.

* A “full on” Justice League thing likely won’t be happening until the very end. New characters will be added to the roster throughout the season, though.

* At some point, Martha will come up in part to explain where Shelby is.

* Clark and Lois are still going to be living at their apartment. They’re going to be trying to figure out what to do with all of their wedding presents, since they had to cancel the wedding yet still intend to get married someday.

* The comic has a definite in the city vibe of Metropolis.

* In the comic, BQM hasn’t yet answered the question: do the Kents own the farm? The interviewers remind Miller the farm is still in the family in 2017, according to “Homecoming.” Miller reminds them that because Clark saw his future in “Homecoming,” he may have caused a few ripple effects. So some of the future details of “Homecoming” may be in play.

* Neither Lana, Pete, or Conner will have a story of some kind in Season 11.

* Hank Henshaw will be a former astronaut who will serve partly as a commentary on the current state of the space program.

* Something happens in space that sets things in motion in “Guardian.”

* It’s nice to have Lois’s voice because she can come in and say “this is bunk.” Basically, she’s the voice of the audience.

* There will likely be “flashback” panels to explain past events referenced in the comic.

* It seems one story might recount an event that occurred on the show only it will be told from another point of view. This sort of storytelling advice will likely be used once or rarely.

http://acrosstheairwaves.com/brianQmillerinterview

[Young Superman]

Cool stuff, but I don't like that DC made them change the costume.

[Johnny]

Yeah but if there's a storyline explanation it'd be cool. We all know Clark's opinion on tights, capes and trunks and I'm laughing at the very thought of him explaining to Lois why he got rid of the underwear lol.

[Webhead2006]

Some great stuff there. I too hate in costume change when earth one book still boosts trunks and all. Other details sound great.

[herolee10]

I hope that they decide to follow up on the storyline that was created right before Smallvilled ended, where Toyman had gathered a bunch of supervillians to target each member of the JLA. I want to see that battle come to fruition.

[Webhead2006]

Well since bqm has mentioned other jlers, and its set a short time after the finale. I would hope he too doesnt forget that little plot.

[BH/HHH]

[b]* Season 11 will likely be revisiting the concept of an all female hero story.

I don't like my Superman comics to not feature Superman so I hope there's not gonna be issues where he isn't present.

[Webhead2006]

I don't think that will be an issue with what else millar been talking about.

[vantheman77]

As far as this all female hero story, I can see Superman having a cameo appearance or two but I can't see him being absent.

The 11th season is shaping up to be better than the 10th season, even though it's in print.

[The Boy Scout]

Dude, after the mess that was season ten, you have nowhere to go but up.

[Johnny]

Give me a break. Watch S7 and then tell me what a mess really is.

[Webhead2006]

Ya season ten wasn't that bad of a season. Its drawback was more budget stuff. Personally I like tenth over 7th.

[vantheman77]

I agree as I felt that the 7th season was the lowest point of the show more so than the 10th season, but the 10th season felt like an afterthought after a great 9th season.

[SpideyVille]

I wouldn't call season 10 a bad season, but I also wouldn't say that it was as god season 9. I feel like they tried to bring so much past stuff back and recurring guest stars that it limited how much they could progress forwardly with something new. Like I wasn't a fan of how the VRA was being built up through the entire first half, and how it was just resolved quickly in one episode after the break. The Ultraman arc was something that was handled nicely even though they could've dragged it out another episode like they did with Bizarro having an episode where no one knew that it was him impersonating Clark.

Overall the season had several problems that were pretty much resolved quickly with an explanation that was told rather than explained, and I feel like that was one of the bad things about going into the season knowing it would be the final one. It's like they purposely introduced things that they knew they could've finish so they left it open ended, like Conner and the Legion of Doom.

[ironman29758]

I hope that they decide to follow up on the storyline that was created right before Smallvilled ended, where Toyman had gathered a bunch of supervillians to target each member of the JLA. I want to see that battle come to fruition.
well Brian did help write the script to Prophecy(the episode where the LOD/Marionette Ventures appears with Toyman,Metallo,Roulette, Captain Cold, Solomon Grundy and Black Manta as members) so it might be possible or realisitic for them to appear or be mentioned in this season or if successful season 12

[Webhead2006]

Also the female comment I took it more in brian being able to write a full lois lane and do more with her and her relatiobnship with clark and reporting then they where able to in past.

[QWoods]

GO VOTE PLEASE
http://imaginecasting.com/titles/results/7860/a-new-superman-film-series/

[The Boy Scout]

Give me a break. Watch S7 and then tell me what a mess really is.

Umm...I have. What does that have to do with anything? How good or bad S7 was doesn't affect my opinion on S10 in any way.

[Johnny]

For you to say "Having nowhere to go but up" I assumed S10 is the worst for you => the S7 comparison.

[Prison Mike]

I don't think season 10 or 7 were bad. My least favorite season would have to be season 6 because of all the angst and depressed Clark. At least in season 7 Clark had Lana for a bulk of the episodes and was kind of happy (even though he was content on just staying on the farm).

[SpideyVille]

I think season 7 gets sort of a pass because it was cut short due to the strike, and then they lost Lana for those 5 episodes which really messed up her arc and gave way to her bad return in season 8, not to mention Lex's departure was very ambiguous. But I hated the first half of season 6 because Clark was just a mopey, depressed guy. The best part of that all was the Green Arrow because we finally saw a costume hero who was doing the things that Clark should've been doing.

But I like the second half of season 6, once Lana finally started to figure out his secret and when it was revealed that she married Lex to spy on him. That made all the Lexana stuff justified to a certain extent. But with season 7, it was so obvious at that point that Clark and Lana were not meant to be together and that's what it made it frustrating. Personally I was a huge Clark and Lana fan, but that season made me hate her so much, especially because she had so much power over Clark. It was only fitting that she'd become his kryptonite in both a figurative and literal sense by the time she left in season 8.

[The Boy Scout]

For you to say "Having nowhere to go but up" I assumed S10 is the worst for you => the S7 comparison.

Again: how I feel about one season usually has little (if anything) to do with how I feel about another. Just because S10 is my least favorite doesn't mean I can't recognize S7's flaws.

[Webhead2006]

We will always have a varied opinons of things.

[The Boy Scout]

Indeed. For what it's worth, I don't think S7 is much of a prize either. It had some good stuff in there, but overall, it's just not that good.

[Webhead2006]

Yup for me it was seeing bc, and to a degree some of kara stuff, and a handful of episodes here and there.

[The Boy Scout]

I liked Kara (at the time). And I loved the Bizarro stuff (up until he fell for Lana). And seeing a little bit of Krypton and Zor-El and Lara was pretty cool too. But overall, I thought it was very meh. Could've been much better. But to be fair, there was the strike.

[Webhead2006]

Plus it was also around the time budget slashs started up and hurt the show.

[SpideyVille]

I actually think the 5 post strike episodes hurt the season more than helped it. If I recall, I believe Lionel's death was going to close the season and Lex and Lana would've had to appear for 5-7 episodes in season 8, had they not had their "departures" rushed into the final episodes of the season.

[Johnny]

SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 #3

http://prikachi.com/images/779/4625779e.jpg


• The SEASON PREMIERE EVENT continues!
• OLIVER and CHLOE are on a hunt in the heartland...or are they the hunted?
• LOIS is caught in the crossfire as SUPERMAN confronts LEX about last issue’s disastrous climax...
• HENSHAW’s condition takes a turn for the worse!


PS: Not that I mind the cover, but did they ditch Cat Staggs? Her covers are fantastic.

[Webhead2006]

Sweet cover, and kat I believe is only a varient cover artist for project, and they probably won't all have varient covers.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 #3

http://prikachi.com/images/779/4625779e.jpg


• The SEASON PREMIERE EVENT continues!
• OLIVER and CHLOE are on a hunt in the heartland...or are they the hunted?
• LOIS is caught in the crossfire as SUPERMAN confronts LEX about last issue’s disastrous climax...
• HENSHAW’s condition takes a turn for the worse!


PS: Not that I mind the cover, but did they ditch Cat Staggs? Her covers are fantastic.
Doesn't look anything like the actors. Glad the artist is not doing the interiors.

[BritishChap007]

I'm confused, is that digital issue 3 or print issue 3. It says it isn't coming out until July. And digital issue 3 should be out on the 27th of April....

I prefer the Staggs art.

[The Caped Knight]

SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 #3

http://prikachi.com/images/779/4625779e.jpg


• The SEASON PREMIERE EVENT continues!
• OLIVER and CHLOE are on a hunt in the heartland...or are they the hunted?
• LOIS is caught in the crossfire as SUPERMAN confronts LEX about last issue’s disastrous climax...
• HENSHAW’s condition takes a turn for the worse!


PS: Not that I mind the cover, but did they ditch Cat Staggs? Her covers are fantastic.

Wow that doesn't look anything like Tom or Erica, but on the bright side it's a pic featuring Superman saving Lois so I'm happy.

[Johnny]

I'm confused, is that digital issue 3 or print issue 3. It says it isn't coming out until July. And digital issue 3 should be out on the 27th of April....

I prefer the Staggs art.

It's print issue 3. I think they said Staggs is doing the digital covers.

[BritishChap007]

It's print issue 3. I think they said Staggs is doing the digital covers.

Oh good. So we saw the print issue one, the Staggs issue 1 and 2 covers, and the print issue 3?

[Johnny]

I think so. Though the second Staggs cover(the one with Lex) is shown for the print issue not the digital. We'll see soon enough, the first digital chapter comes out this Friday.

[Sawyer]

Fairly generic Superman cover there. Nothing at all, really, to signify that it's Smallville-related.

[Brainiac 8]

It's nice to be doing this again. Ah, Smallville I have missed you. :D

[Prison Mike]

I don't know. It doesn't feel the same for me. I miss getting the spoilers for the tv show and anticipating the next new episode.

[SpideyVille]

Yeah, I really don't feel any excitement over a comic series, even though its supposed to be based on characters that I loved for ten years. It's just not the same.

[Brainiac 8]

Eh, it's different, but I'll take more Smallville where I can get it. :yay:

[BritishChap007]

It's nice to be doing this again. Ah, Smallville I have missed you. :D

I'm with you! I am very excited for Friday and have a sense that Smallville is back. Going to re-watch the finale Thursday, as I did the day before any season premiere. I'm super psyched.

[John Locke]

I thought it was Thursday did they change it?

[Webhead2006]

No its fri for digital release. For me I am still curious how these digital chapters are being packaged for print issue in may.

[Binker]

No its fri for digital release. For me I am still curious how these digital chapters are being packaged for print issue in may.

What do you mean? Are you talking about how much each print issie with have? Well, each print issue is to carry 4 digitial chapters/issues. Issue 1 is listed to be 48 pages; divide that by 4 and you get 12 pages. So rounded off; 12 pages for each issue, at least for the beginning. Issues 2-3 are listed carrying 40 pages, and again divided by 4 equals 10 pages.

I don't know if that was the answer to your question. If not, please reiterate.

[BritishChap007]

Just rewatched the finale and I have to say: it gets better every time. Remarkably satisfying.

[KalKai]

It's out!

http://htmlimg3.scribdassets.com/6d8a9hs0sg1j1kxu/images/4-47d2732a4e.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Z63um.jpg

:D :D :D

[John Locke]

Why was it so short? It was awesome. I didn't want it to end.

[Prison Mike]

Just bought the comic. Not bad for 99 cents. I'm going to start reading it now!

EDIT: yeah. that was way too short

[KalKai]

Because it's 99 cents, and you can't have 50 pages.

[KalKai]

I'll post the epic imagery:

http://i.imgur.com/X6nVy.png

[Webhead2006]

Sweet can't wait for print release. How many pages was the digital verison.

[Prison Mike]

On the upside, I was ready to shuck out $2 or $3 for one issue so I was glad it's only 99 cents.

Webhead, the digital version said it was 22 pages but it went by pretty fast!

[The Incredible Hulk]

Super Tom looks great! :up:

[O'Haire]

Was a nice little preview. Got me looking forward to the full issue.

[Zing79]

We're done here
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/264/200/acb.jpg
That is all

[Webhead2006]

Thanks mike, was just wondering on length when you guys said it was short. Also still does any one know how print thing is going to be like. Will it be like a standard comic, or something akin to a graphic novel?

[Young Superman]

I'll post the epic imagery:

http://i.imgur.com/X6nVy.png

That actually looks like Tom.

[BritishChap007]

Just read it. Awesome! Can't wait for next week. Smallville is back!!

[John Locke]

On the upside, I was ready to shuck out $2 or $3 for one issue so I was glad it's only 99 cents.

Webhead, the digital version said it was 22 pages but it went by pretty fast!
It was 22 panels not pages. Depending how many panels can be on a page it was pretty short.

[kloker]

It's ten pages if you assemble the panels.

[Webhead2006]

Hmm that is short lol. But I guess once its all assembled into print version it will be longer.

[The Caped Knight]

Ah Lois :hrt:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2gsufa9kD1qiaokko6_1280.jpg

[Young Superman]

Ah Lois :hrt:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2gsufa9kD1qiaokko6_1280.jpg

:hrt:

[Webhead2006]

Sweet lois image.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

It would be nice if we eventually get some sort of reaction from the cast. Also, do the cast members get paid for this? I would think so, but ya never know.

[Webhead2006]

Probably doesnt get paid for this. since when they signed for series they gave the rights to use there image/voice/etc..... But i would love to hear from castmates on what they think of the comic. I am sure we will hear something in coming weeks.

[Prison Mike]

I don't think the cast would get paid for this. It's not like they own the characters.

[The Incredible Hulk]

When the cast signed their contracts for the show they likely agreed to let WB/DC use their likenesses for any and all show-related materials, merchandise, etc. This most likely falls under that even though the televised show has ended.

[Lead Cenobite]

Did DC have to get permission from Christopher Reeve's estate whenever Gary Frank decided to draw Superman to look like him?

[Webhead2006]

There is probably something when he did his contract during his film things. But that was probably for a time frame, which probably has to be reupped every few yrs i would think. But its probably all in how the contracts are written up.

[Milos]

http://thumbsnap.com/i/SRzEMbwm.jpg

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpw28rsfrM1qii6tmo1_250.gif

[BH/HHH]

So for those who've read it does it still feel like Smallville?

[Lead Cenobite]

http://thumbsnap.com/i/SRzEMbwm.jpg

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpw28rsfrM1qii6tmo1_250.gif

So that's what a shipper looks like.

[Milos]

So that's what a shipper looks like.

I'm here for Chloe, only! :cool:

[Johnny]

So for those who've read it does it still feel like Smallville?

Well this issue is basically an intro for the intro... so to speak. But yeah, it does feel like Smallville but on the next level. Can't wait to see where it goes. Miller posted on Twitter it's selling well so I guess we're gonna have the chance to formulate a more constructive opinion in time.

[Webhead2006]

Good to hear its selling well.

[BH/HHH]

Well this issue is basically an intro for the intro... so to speak. But yeah, it does feel like Smallville but on the next level. Can't wait to see where it goes. Miller posted on Twitter it's selling well so I guess we're gonna have the chance to formulate a more constructive opinion in time.

Awesome cheers mate

[Prison Mike]

Surprised to see Otis in the comic. I guess Miller likes the character. Thankfully, Lex is our Smallville Lex (minus the memories) and not the Gene Hackman version.

[dru-zod2501]

Color me impressed!

Smallville & I did not part ways on good terms. Having abandoned all things Smallville after Season 8, I was split over whether to give this a glance or hold on to my bitterness. I caved in only because of the price and my inability to resist Superman comics. I am so glad I did!

I think what surprised me the most was how much these characters felt like the classic Pre-Flashpoint characters I grew up with. Superman sounded like the gentler, noble hero I've always remembered. Don't get me wrong I love the more aggressive New 52 Superman as well, but this feels like a way to eat my cake and have it too.

I'm still rather upset with TV Smallville, so I choose not to think of this as a continuation of that mess; it's just a new Superman book out-of-continuity so I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the ride

[Johnny]

It really irks me the way many people feel about Smallville S8-onwards. I don't wanna start an argument because we all feel differently about the show as always, but Clark's character development in those final three seasons maybe topped anything that I disliked about them. Clark was such a great, never fearing to voice his opinion, proactive, in your face type of character, who doesn't need red k to stick it to somebody. The polar opposite of everything he was in S1-S7. He was so awesome 95% of these seasons, I almost got tears when I saw him be like that, after all the crap the writers gave him especially in scenes with Lana or Lex in the past. That's what I will remember the most about the last seasons, despite the lack of payoffs, plot-holes, etc.

[SpideyVille]

I agree, I feel like Brian and Kelly turned it into a more Superman-esque show, so much that I'd say that Clark was already Superman, just without flight and tights by mid- season 10. He had already developed that character, which is something that I feel a lot of people who hate the show don't acknowledge.

A friend of mine and I were having this conversation because he said Smallville runined the character because "Superman already knows he's Superman," which I think is unfair to say, especially since SV was dealing with something that hadn't been fully explored in the past with who Superman was before he was Superman. As much as they made Clark seem like a BDA in the middle seasons, and as bad as it was to watch him be so stupid, it was necessary to some extent because he shows how much he grew as a person by the end of the series.

[Rockstar]

The writing for his character was good in Season 9, but really cheesy in Seasons 8 and 10.

I think the problem with Clark in Season 8-10, minus all the Clois stuff, was his version of the character wasn't overly recognizeable as the traditional Clark Kent/Superman.

The Blur was again (as I pointed out in the other thread) a tease of Superman, but definitely not Superman. Welling's Clark at the Daily Planet wasn't the disguise either, with the actual disguise introduced too late to make logical sense.

It seemed like TPTB were trying to shoehorn all the elements of Superman into SV without actually using Welling as Superman.

I think that's why the comic feels so different from the series so far. It actually gives us Superman with the proper and recognizable characterization. Unfortunately it's a drawing and not Tom Welling's portrayal.

[Webhead2006]

First half of season 8 and season 9 where great in my opinion. And majority of tenth I enjoyed. Heck I say 8th is where sv finally made the jump into more superman stuff.

[DIRECTOR]

what a boring comic

[BH/HHH]

In my opinion Smallville season 9 was the best season of them all

[Rockstar]

In my opinion Smallville season 9 was the best season of them all

Season 9 definitely had more good episodes than bad. That's how a diffreciate a good season from a bad one.


Season 8 really only had Odyssey, Prey, Identity, Bloodline, Bride and Legion as good episodes.

The rest of S8 was either filler or bad episodes.

As bad as Season 7 was, nothing in S8 came close to the quality of "Bizarro," "Apocalypse" and "Descent." The good episodes in S7 were much stronger.

[Prison Mike]

I disagree. Season 7 had some great episodes but I think season 8 was pretty strong from the premiere until Legion and then from Infamous to the finale. Was Doomsday a letdown? Sure, but it doesn't negate the fact that I enjoyed season 8 overall. In my opinion, seasons 8-10 were much more consistent in terms of quality than the middle seasons (seasons 5-7).

[SpideyVille]

I think the best parts of season 8 were the advancement of Lois and Clark, as well as Clark's more proactive stance. And of course, that falls into the episodes that Mike mentions. The thing about that season was that they did the Lana return arc which completely went against everything else they were building on. Clark went back to being the mopey puppy dog and put Lana above everything else. The second half sort of lost momentum because of that. Whereas season 9 continued with that momentum and added the full Lois and Clark Romance and dual-identity aspect to it.

I'd say season 10 suffered a similar fate with the Chloe return arc, which shifted the focus from Clark and made Chloe seem bigger than ever, not to mention the season as a whole was more focused on looking back at the past than building towards the future. The guest stars and closing arcs were great, but I didn't feel as excited about the season as a whole as I did with season 9.

[Rockstar]

Probably because I'm not a shipper I didn't care for all the Clark/Lois stuff padded into S8. I didn't care for episodes like "Committed."

It just felt like any generic CW relationship between two characters. It didn't have the iconic feel of the Superman/Lois/Clark relationship I'm familiar with.

I think the biggest problem was they made Lois fall for Clark first. Probably because it would be hard to pull off a relationship between her and the 'Red Blue Blur' if she never got to see him.


I disagree. Season 7 had some great episodes but I think season 8 was pretty strong from the premiere until Legion and then from Infamous to the finale. Was Doomsday a letdown? Sure, but it doesn't negate the fact that I enjoyed season 8 overall. In my opinion, seasons 8-10 were much more consistent in terms of quality than the middle seasons (seasons 5-7).

Infamous? The one with Tori Spelling and time travel... lol.


Honestly, I personally found all of the episodes in the second half of S8 painful to watch. The worst part was the heavy Chloe focus. I just didn't care.

The first half of the season teased us with Superman, and the second half of the season reminded us that this is Smallville.

I was expecting a big payoff after having to sit through all that Davis Bloome stuff and it never came. "Doomsday" just left a skid mark on the season. And with episodes like "Stilletto" thrown in there, the show just got too campy for my liking.

Season 7 reached greater heights with the Bizarro stuff, Descent and Apocalypse.


Season 8 reached the lowest of lows with Oliver killing Lex, the Super Clana arc, James Henry Olsen and all the Chloe stuff.

[Webhead2006]

Rockstar I disagree there myself on lois and clark. I like I said in worst thread lois and clark was handled the best over all of clark other relationships. We first saw them as rivals, become friends, co workers, and then develop a real romance.

[vantheman77]

I'm glad to hear that the Smallville comic is selling well and that may mean more SV comics.

Seasons 8-10 saw Clark moving forward, whereas in seasons 5-7 he was stationary.

Smallville now lives on through the comics.

[Rockstar]

Rockstar I disagree there myself on lois and clark. I like I said in worst thread lois and clark was handled the best over all of clark other relationships. We first saw them as rivals, become friends, co workers, and then develop a real romance.

Rivals? When?

It just felt like in those final seasons they were over the top with the 'Clois' stuff, and it was a complete departure from their traditional relationship in Superman lore.

The biggest headscratcher was Lois knowing about Clark's identity in Season 10 and helping him form and develop his Superman persona in Smallville before Superman's debut to the world. That seemed more of a 'Lana' task.

We never had a Lois Lane ever fall for the 'farmboy Clark' before either. That's probably why it seemed odd to me. It was their fault for bringing her into Smallville and having her live with him in the early seasons. It was way too soon.

[SpideyVille]

I don't really understand why people often say Smallville got it wrong when dealing with certain "mythos" stuff. Smallville was its own thing, so they had the freedom to deviate from the traditional route. I always thought the Lois and Clark romance was well done, because like Webhead said, we saw it evolve from Lois not really liking Clark too much, to finally admitting she had feelings. It also added depth to the relationship because it wasn't as simple as loving Clark because he was Superman, but more because of who he was on the inside. Lois was a flawed person who never liked opening up or looking weak, but Clark brought out that side of her, and even though it wasn't easy for them, the show did a good job at showing how much they needed each other.

My biggest complaint on the final season was that they suddenly decided to try to line things up with the films to some extent. But I love how they built on their own continuity on things like Lex and Clark being friends, and I really wish they could've left it where even though Lex knew Clark was Superman, he never told anyone because he was too prideful to let others know, plus he would use it as leverage. Its things like that where the show could have kept itself as something completely distinct.

[Rockstar]

I'm down with change as long as it's handled well. Most of Smallville's changes weren't.

Most of it actually involved tossing pretty much everything from Clark's future life as Superman into his past as young Clark in Smallville, completely out of context. In effect, trying to give us the Superman mythos without Superman.

The end result is shaky.

[Webhead2006]

Well rockstar nothing aginst you we all have difference of opinions. Its just how I felt on them. As for lois helping clark develop superman persona I didn't have a problem with it. Since this was a different take on superman lore. So sv was its own thing. As for rivals I meant they where not to friendly with each other at the start of 4th season. Clark hated being aroumdn her and couldn't wait for her to leave.

[Johnny]

The thing I hate really bad is when people say he wasn't gonna be able to develop the Superman persona if it wasn't for Lois. This is such a cheap, childish, retarded argument that I simply can't stand. Lois did support Clark and did offer him advice on things, but he developed all the details by himself. He decided on his own to wear glasses, to act like a goof and came up on his own with the idea that Clark Kent should be the mask. He himself went to the fortress to get his suit, Lois didn't "make" him do anything. She was by his side, that's it.

[Webhead2006]

All true johnny. Lois was just clark anchor, to keep him focused and on tact.

[TwilightPro101]

Finally got around to getting "issue one." Thought it was ok.

Eager to see where the Lex arc goes from here.

[KalKai]

Top selling comic on Comixology

http://www.comixology.com/best-sellers

[Webhead2006]

Sweet, find also I wondering if any one can post an image of clark in clark kent mode from the issue if there was any.

[BritishChap007]

Sweet, find also I wondering if any one can post an image of clark in clark kent mode from the issue if there was any.


There was not. It was short and builds to the reveal of Superman.

Probably issue 2

[Asteroid-Man]

I can't wait to read this! When is the printed version coming out?

[Binker]

i can't wait to read this! When is the printed version coming out?

5/2/12

[Prison Mike]

Quick question. Is there a subscription option for the digital issues or do we have to come back every Friday and buy them individually?

[BritishChap007]

Quick question. Is there a subscription option for the digital issues or do we have to come back every Friday and buy them individually?

The latter.

24 more hours!

[Webhead2006]

Ok thanks man, if there is one in issue two could someone post me image.

[BritishChap007]

Ok thanks man, if there is one in issue two could someone post me image.

Will do.

[Webhead2006]

thanks chap

[Asteroid-Man]

5/2/12
And then are they coming out monthly, or weekly?

[Binker]

Printed: monthly. Digital parts first, then those repackaged as a monthly comic book.

[KalKai]

http://tvline.com/2012/04/20/smallville-season-11-digital-comic-preview/

http://pmctvline2.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/smvl_s11_ch_02_pg03_600.jpg?w=640

http://pmctvline2.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/smvl_s11_ch_02_pg04_600.jpg?w=640

http://pmctvline2.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/smvl_s11_ch_02_pg05_600.jpg?w=640

[Prison Mike]

Just finished chapter 2. It was great. Loved the Lex and Clark conversation and that ending! Can't wait for the next chapter.

[BritishChap007]

Just finished chapter 2. It was great. Loved the Lex and Clark conversation and that ending! Can't wait for the next chapter.

Yes. It was amazing seeing Lex and Clark "meet."

Looks like Lex is curious in Clark again....and so it begins... :)

As promised, a Clark image:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg824/scaled.php?server=824&filename=27203889.jpg&res=landing

Buy the book for more ;)

[The Caped Knight]

Oh this series is building up quite nicely, Great Lois and Clark interaction, (The writing feels very much like Erica & Tom). The Clark & Lex scene OMG, and finally the ending was that really Tess?

[Johnny]

Loved it. The Clark/Lois and Clark/Lex moments were so damn good. I loved Clark was still assertive and wasn't acting all goofy and bumbling around Lex. That ending was a knockout. The art is top-notch, Pere Perez knows how to draw. My single criticism is he hasn't captured Lois' look very well. At least so far. Tom, Michael, the general are spot on. But looking at Lois I wouldn't say this is Erica, yet. Like I said, only nitpicking. Loving the series.

[BritishChap007]

Oh this series is building up quite nicely, Great Lois and Clark interaction, (The writing feels very much like Erica & Tom). The Clark & Lex scene OMG, and finally the ending was that really Tess?

She still has blood on her jacket, so Lex is probably halluicanting, as he is prone to doing.

I loved the Clex. Makes me apprecitte the memory wipe. With a Lex with memories, his interactions with Clark become boring. But now we get classic curious Smallville Lex back in full force.

[Dangerman]

It is a good read and does feel much like the show. I just hate waiting week to week. I can't wait for the printed issues it will flow much better.

However for those who may want to read it before then check filestube for it.

[Johnny]

Nah, no filestube when it comes to Smallville. Only buy. :)

[Dangerman]

On a side note Smallville does now have Bruce Wayne for those who look closely at Lois laptop.

[The Caped Knight]

On a side note Smallville does now have Bruce Wayne for those who look closely at Lois laptop.

Yes indeed, and according to Byran he might be appear later down the season's run .

[Prison Mike]

Didn't notice the Waynetech laptop until now. Thanks for the heads up!

[Webhead2006]

Sweet lois and clark scene and stuff with lex. Man I can't wait to read the print one in a few weeks.

[BritishChap007]

Sweet lois and clark scene and stuff with lex. Man I can't wait to read the print one in a few weeks.

They won't be adding bonus scenes. It's going to be e same. You should ever buy the digitals now or leave yourself unspoiled until you get the print. :)

[Webhead2006]

What bonus scenes are you talking about chap, i thought the deal is we got digital chapters that are put into a print full comic/graphic novel like thing?

[Asteroid-Man]

I'm gonna wait for the trade.

[BritishChap007]

What bonus scenes are you talking about chap, i thought the deal is we got digital chapters that are put into a print full comic/graphic novel like thing?


Right. I was kidding around, saying you need to stop spoiling yourself by reading these scenes because you WON'T be getting anything new when the prints come out.

[Webhead2006]

Oh ok my mistake on what you were saying man. And i havent spoiled to much lol.

[herolee10]

I swear; the one thing that I'm still confused, a little iffy on is....Is Lex technically still a clone, which would mean that the real original Lex was indeed killed off?

[Rockstar]

I swear; the one thing that I'm still confused, a little iffy on is....Is Lex technically still a clone, which would mean that the real original Lex was indeed killed off?

Yup, the real Lex went boom. He's dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZJkXCDw5y5Y#t=233s


The new Lex is a clone made up from the best parts of the failed clones. Lexenstien.

[Doc Ock]

I'm usually the type of person to pick up the collected trades, but I might actually get all the issues as they come out being the big Smallville fan that I am! I don't really do digital downloads but the little tidbits you guys have revealed is very exciting!

Before Smallville ended I always hoped for a comic continuation.

[Odneyson]

The new Lex is a clone made up from the best parts of the failed clones. Lexenstien.
"Lx0" was the real Lex Luthor-the original body repaired with tissue and organs from the Lx clones. The giveaway was meant to be the right hand.

[Rockstar]

And how did the real Lex damage his right hand?

The real Lex burned his entire body, not just his hand. There's no way he could have been anything more than ashes after that explosion.


The show itself confirmed he died in a "nasty truck explosion." There's no way any clone tissue could be used to ressurect a pile of ashes.

[tfn]

Someone on kryptonsite said that Al Septien confirmed what Odneyson said plus Lex was always implied to have greater healing and durability from the meteor shower in the pilot.

[SpideyVille]

The new Lex is a clone because Lionel said Lex had cloned himself and that none of the clones were perfect, but they had parts that were perfect, and those parts combined created a masterwork which was only missing a heart. Hence what was taken from Lionel in order to bring him back to life.

[Rockstar]

Exactly Spideyville. That was the explanation on screen.


Septien's comments don't line up with what was presented to us in the episode.


said plus Lex was always implied to have greater healing and durability from the meteor shower in the pilot.

Unless Lex was made of steel, there's no way he could have survived that.

I remember the show even mentioning that the police identified his remains in "Requiem"

[SpideyVille]

Yeah, I just rewatched that part and that's what Lionel told Tess because he was trying to use her heart. Plus, Lex wasn't made of steel. That explosion wouldn't have just left him scarred.

Not to mention the clone from the premiere confirmed Lex had died in the explosion, and Chloe said at the end of Requiem that the remains were identified as Lex's, so there wasn't much that was left afterward.

[Odneyson]

There's no way he could have been anything more than ashes after that explosion.
"We Luthors are made of pretty tough and definitely expensive material." - Lex Luthor:word:

[Doc Ock]

"Lx0" was the real Lex Luthor-the original body repaired with tissue and organs from the Lx clones. The giveaway was meant to be the right hand.

Thats how I've always viewed it. Especially because of the Lx0 thing. But I also believed it was completely left open for the viewers to decide either way. (Although the comic series may make a canon explanation later on)

[Rockstar]

"We Luthors are made of pretty tough and definitely expensive material." - Lex Luthor:word:


Yeah, that's not an explanation how a severly injured human being on life support could survive that truck explosion.


Especially after Lana stole his super suit.

[Johnny]

Doesn't matter to me if it's the original Lex or a clone body. He's back, he's awesome and he's here to stay.

[Odneyson]

Yeah, that's not an explanation how a severly injured human being on life support could survive that truck explosion.
Who said he survived?

[Webhead2006]

Well when the expolison did happen we all had a lot of different theories going on if it was lex or not.

[Rockstar]

According to the show itself, it was the real Lex and he died.

I'm not following this logic of using cloned tissue to magically resurrect his ashes?

That would be cloning.

[Odneyson]

I'm not following this logic of using cloned tissue to magically resurrect his ashes?
Are you sure the "nasty" explosion reduced him to ashes?

[SpideyVille]

The thing that I was hoping for was that the Lex that die ended up being an early clone, and that the real Lex was still healing somewhere. But they were very confident in saying the real Lex died and I just don't like the idea of knowing Lex is now a clone who lost most of his memory.

I also didn't understand how the clones knew about Clark and his relationship with Lois.

[Brainiac 8]

To be honest, who cares of the Lex is a clone. Mentally he's still the Lex we love to hate.

In the comics, Lex has used clones to cheat death on many occasions. The current Lex in the comics is just one of many clones he has used and had his memories/mind transfered into.

[Webhead2006]

Oh I know we where told it was lex in the show. But at the time of the event before we had total word it was for sure him. Many had other theories or that that like was a clone or what not.

[Doc Ock]

Personally I still don't think the Lex is a clone but the original Lex with clone parts. But thats just me and I guess I'm in the minority.

Its good to have Lex either way! :awesome:

[Johnny]

I would really like to know what Triplet thinks of the comic. I miss her awesome reviews. Doesn't she post here anymore?

[Webhead2006]

Haven't seen her around in ages. I am sure she can be contacted through email/facebook or something.

[O'Haire]

Cat Staggs original untouched art.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2821/smvl1orig.jpg

Should of left the pic of Superman alone and just digitally fixed the background.
Untouched version looks a lot more like Tom.

[Johnny]

The "touched" version looks just like Tom, too. I'm glad she did it. This looks awesome too.

[Young Superman]

Cat Staggs original untouched art.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2821/smvl1orig.jpg

Should of left the pic of Superman alone and just digitally fixed the background.
Untouched version looks a lot more like Tom.

Cool

[BritishChap007]

Woah...I think the touched one looks way more like Tom. Not sure who the guy on the unaltered one is...

[Rockstar]

Are you sure the "nasty" explosion reduced him to ashes?

How else would it have turned out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZJkXCDw5y5Y#t=277s


He got burned to a crisp.

[Odneyson]

He got burned to a crisp.
Crisp = pile of ash?

[Johnny]

The burned hand says it all. It is the original Lex "repaired" with different body parts of the clones and Lionel's heart. Whether it makes sense or not, considering the explosion, it doesn't matter. It is the original Lex. Again, wouldn't matter to me if it was a clone, I'm just glad he's here.

[Webhead2006]

Ya cats covers are dead on. Its frank who did lousy covers in my opinion.

[Rockstar]

The burned hand says it all. It is the original Lex "repaired" with different body parts of the clones and Lionel's heart. Whether it makes sense or not, considering the explosion, it doesn't matter. It is the original Lex. Again, wouldn't matter to me if it was a clone, I'm just glad he's here.

How can they repair a burned corpse with living body parts?


Zombie Lex?


:dry:

[Johnny]

Go ask the writers. Maybe they took a page out of Blackest Night or something. I don't really think this is a big deal at all. Smallville had much worse retcons/inconsistencies/plotholes.

[Rockstar]

It's not a retcon, inconsistency or plothole.

The finale never outright stated that it was the real Lex. They just said this Lex was made from the best parts of the clones.

[Indy1Jones]

Cat Staggs original untouched art.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2821/smvl1orig.jpg

Should of left the pic of Superman alone and just digitally fixed the background.
Untouched version looks a lot more like Tom.

Awesome.

[Johnny]

It's not a retcon, inconsistency or plothole.

The finale never outright stated that it was the real Lex. They just said this Lex was made from the best parts of the clones.

And this is such a big deal why? Someone pointed out already, Lex had more than one clone in the comics. He transferred his brain in new bodies and all sorts of crazy stuff. Why is this so important to you? Clone or not, this is totally something Lex Luthor would do.

[Rockstar]

The brain of the real Lex wouldn't have survived that explosion intact.

The Lex in the finale is a clone.

It's not a big deal to me, it was addressing a question someone initially asked.


The big deal to me is Lex getting mindwiped in the finale with such a lame deus ex machina. Way to ruin his character.

[KalKai]

Best chapter yet.

The exploding baby got a mention. :hehe:

Who or what came down?

[SpideyVille]

The brain of the real Lex wouldn't have survived that explosion intact.

The Lex in the finale is a clone.

It's not a big deal to me, it was addressing a question someone initially asked.


The big deal to me is Lex getting mindwiped in the finale with such a lame deus ex machina. Way to ruin his character.
You see, that's what bothers me even more about the whole Lex thing. It's basically like the Lex we end up with at the end is not the same Lex we learned to love to hate for the whole series. It was seven seasons of character build up that was erased in 30 seconds.

[Dangerman]

This is good but I am starting to see this series is more like Superman: For Tomorrow where it is good all by itself but will be much better when collected altogether.

[Rockstar]

You see, that's what bothers me even more about the whole Lex thing. It's basically like the Lex we end up with at the end is not the same Lex we learned to love to hate for the whole series. It was seven seasons of character build up that was erased in 30 seconds.


Smallville is infamous for its fake-outs.

[Johnny]

The brain of the real Lex wouldn't have survived that explosion intact.

The Lex in the finale is a clone.

It's not a big deal to me, it was addressing a question someone initially asked.


The big deal to me is Lex getting mindwiped in the finale with such a lame deus ex machina. Way to ruin his character.

This didn't bother me that much. I didn't like it but the scene was so good that it didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth. Lex always used to blame someone else for turning into who he was in the end. He blamed his dad or Clark or whoever else, and could never admit even to himself that he was the one who chose to take that path. And in that final scene where Tess put the toxin on him and told him she won't become like him cuz Clark already saved her, it was kinda the moment of realization for Lex. The look on his face said that he finally realized he was the only one to blame for who he became. And the fact that this was his last realization before his memories got wiped out, make this even more melancholic. At least to me.

So even though I disagree with this as a creative decision by the producers, the way it was played out was great. That's why when I remember it, it doesn't bother me this very much.