Capt. Marvel/Ms. Marvel Film? (Good idea or GREAT idea?)

[DrCosmic]

Okay... can this even be done?

More importantly... should it be?

Captain Marvel was a relatively short lived character, popular in spurts and starts, but is sort of the background of the Ms. Marvel character, who's been perennially an Avenger since the 70s. They also are Kree, tying into the Skrull-Kree War if we go there. Your thoughts, guys.

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[MarvelKnight]

Well, in terms of the reality of it being done, I don't know the rights issue.

I think if you want to rotate the Avengers Roster after A3, introducing a character like ms. marvel would be a fine choice. Could even go the Agent of Shield route if you wanted too.

I refer to this series a lot, but EMH is so good I think taking cues from some of its episodes (if they have actual tie-ins to the story/movie) isn't a bad idea. Instead of Mar-Vell transferring some power by chance, maybe have him pass on before the threat is neutralized, therefore you can get some screen time with Ms. Marvel and have her defeat whatever enemy it is they face. If doubt this would happen before A2, if it did at all though.

[psylockolussus]

I'm interested with Ms. Marvel because I've seen her on the Avengers line up more often than Captain Marvel and she should be in the Avengers movie series.

With Captain Marvel, I'm not interested.

[cherokeesam]

I'm interested with Ms. Marvel because I've seen her on the Avengers line up more often than Captain Marvel and she should be in the Avengers movie series.

With Captain Marvel, I'm not interested.


You can't have Ms. Marvel without introducing Mar-Vell first, though. Any more than you can introduce Vision and Ultron without Hank Pym.

[marcvader]

Yeah guys. There were characters in comics before some of you started reading comics. Just because something is popular of late doesn't mean you disregard things that came before. Things work in cycles. Before the last few years Ms. Marvel was practically a nobody in the MU for the longest time.

[Dark Raven]

I think Yvonne Strahovski could be a good fit for Ms Marvel, but then she could work for most superheroines. Not sure which other actresses. I'd suggest Tricia Helfer but she's getting a bit too old.

Not sure who I would cast as Mar-Vell.

BTW I would hope they go with the Ms Marvel name instead of Warbird.

[babykhris]

Aren't they using Ms. Marvel in the MCU TV division.

[DrCosmic]

^Carol Danvers, yes. She's supposed to be recurring cast on the Jessica Jones show. No new news about that show yet, btw. This also confirms that the rights belong to Marvel Studios (As opposed to?)

Yvonne Strahovski would indeed be a great fit. TV or Movie.

But a good point is brought up. There's a ton of reasons not to do Captain Marvel (Cheesy name, unpopular character, etc), and only one reason to do him (he's Ms. Marvel's origin). How do you address that, exactly?

[MarvelKnight]

True, cause then you obviously introduce the kree as a heavy hitting race and then is it almost obligatory to introduce the skrulls? You can't have one without the other I don't think, unless you decide to introduce the Black Bolt and the Inhumans (though I have no recollection as to the rights issue).

[MarvelKnight]

I suppose you could use Mar-Vell to purely set up Ms. marvel getting her powers in an Abin Sur-type role ala GL, and though that would be less than ideal, it is still an option i suppose.

[marcvader]

I certainly hope they don't Abin-Sur him.

[Dark Raven]

^Carol Danvers, yes. She's supposed to be recurring cast on the Jessica Jones show. No new news about that show yet, btw. This also confirms that the rights belong to Marvel Studios (As opposed to?)

Yvonne Strahovski would indeed be a great fit. TV or Movie.

But a good point is brought up. There's a ton of reasons not to do Captain Marvel (Cheesy name, unpopular character, etc), and only one reason to do him (he's Ms. Marvel's origin). How do you address that, exactly?

Well he doesn't have to be referred to as Captain Marvel. He could be called Mar-Vell but he's a Kree Captain. If someone puts two and two together, they'd call him Captain Mar-Vell, but then again they might not. Maybe someone like Hawkeye could call him Captain Marvel facetiously if he doesn't want him around. He could reply "It's Mar-Vell" and Clint would say "yeah, whatever."

[Chewy]

Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.
But a good point is brought up. There's a ton of reasons not to do Captain Marvel (Cheesy name, unpopular character, etc), and only one reason to do him (he's Ms. Marvel's origin). How do you address that, exactly?
You write a strong screenplay, assemble a strong cast, and just make the movie

[marcvader]

Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.



Good ideas, Chewy. He has a pretty cool backstory and you can incorporate most of it but ultimately make it about him turning against his warring race to save his newly adopted one. You would make the story from Carol's point of view and you wouldn't need him to go beyond one installment. Carol would continue there on.

[Dark Raven]

Here's our Carol Danvers:

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She's got the right personality and looks for the part. Of course, she could easily play Mockingbird as well.

[DrCosmic]

^Indeed.

Who would you guys cast for Captain Marvel?

And another thing I ran my head into a few times. What would be the exact nature and source of Captain Marvel's powers? In the comics it seems to be a varying combination of tech and biology. Perhaps some tech that's keyed to Kree genetics? Nega Bands or UniBeam?

Well he doesn't have to be referred to as Captain Marvel. He could be called Mar-Vell but he's a Kree Captain. If someone puts two and two together, they'd call him Captain Mar-Vell, but then again they might not. Maybe someone like Hawkeye could call him Captain Marvel facetiously if he doesn't want him around. He could reply "It's Mar-Vell" and Clint would say "yeah, whatever."

Very true.

But what would you call the movie?

Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.

I like this, and was thinking of something along these lines as well, though I would definitely have Danvers' relationship with Mar-Vell be very strong, to drive her arc and motivation harder when she gets his powers during his epic sacrifice.

You write a strong screenplay, assemble a strong cast, and just make the movie

Yeah, "make it good" is always the answer, but that wouldn't make for much of a discussion. :)

Speaking of...

Who's the villain for a "Mar-Vell" movie?

[marcvader]

Nitro of course. Just kidding. I think possibly the actual Kree Empire themselves but to put a face on one person maybe Ronan the Accuser show the Supreme Intelegence behind everything but they may be a FOX property under the F4 umbrella.

[Chewy]

Fox :argh:

If they don't have the Skrulls I doubt they have the Kree, but they might have Ronan in the same way they have Super-Skrull

[Dark Raven]

^Indeed.

Who would you guys cast for Captain Marvel?

And another thing I ran my head into a few times. What would be the exact nature and source of Captain Marvel's powers? In the comics it seems to be a varying combination of tech and biology. Perhaps some tech that's keyed to Kree genetics? Nega Bands or UniBeam?



Very true.

But what would you call the movie?



Well if it weren't for that Alex Ross story about photographer Phil Sheldon, they could've called it "Marvels".

But they could still call it Ms Marvel. It would be a different kind of superhero movie where there's an already established hero (Mar-Vell) but it's really building towards the creation of the eventual heroine of the movie, Carol Danvers.

Or just call it Captain Marvel. Yes, it's a silly name, but it's catchy. It's no worse than Captain America or Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

Mar-Vell doesn't have to use that name for himself. It's just what the public call him... which they would do in real life if there really were a Captain Mar-Vell. It's like calling someone Superman or Captain America in real life (which happens... well, at least the latter). There could even be a tiny reference to the Shazam character, as if they were mocking Mar-Vell by comparing him to Batson.


Who's the villain for a "Mar-Vell" movie?

How about Thanos? He could lead into an Avengers sequel.

Or the Skrulls could be the villains.

[cherokeesam]

I'd cast Clark Gregg for Mar-Vell. :D

[DrCosmic]

Well if it weren't for that Alex Ross story about photographer Phil Sheldon, they could've called it "Marvels".

But they could still call it Ms Marvel. It would be a different kind of superhero movie where there's an already established hero (Mar-Vell) but it's really building towards the creation of the eventual heroine of the movie, Carol Danvers.

Or just call it Captain Marvel. Yes, it's a silly name, but it's catchy. It's no worse than Captain America or Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

Mar-Vell doesn't have to use that name for himself. It's just what the public call him... which they would do in real life if there really were a Captain Mar-Vell. It's like calling someone Superman or Captain America in real life (which happens... well, at least the latter). There could even be a tiny reference to the Shazam character, as if they were mocking Mar-Vell by comparing him to Batson.

It's a little worse than Cap America (which they played as silly in the film's storyline, which is not what I would want) or Sky Captain, especially since it's also the brand name. If Disney comes out with a big budget movie called "Mr. Disney" there are expectations and perceptions that come with that. It could easily be viewed as pretentious, or at the very least, representative of the entire brand.

"Marvels" less so. In fact, make Sheldon a supporting character and call it that.

How about Thanos? He could lead into an Avengers sequel.

Or the Skrulls could be the villains.
Nitro of course. Just kidding. I think possibly the actual Kree Empire themselves but to put a face on one person maybe Ronan the Accuser show the Supreme Intelegence behind everything but they may be a FOX property under the F4 umbrella.

I'm feeling the Kree as the villains. Establishes them for the Kree-Skrull War or use as Thanos' footsoldiers, or whatever. What do you guys think about using Yon-Rogg, a superior officer, and perhaps weaponizing some humans with bio-demolitions, eh? Of course with the Supreme Intelligence in the background/on the wire or whatever.

For casting Captain Marvel, I'd go so far as to say John Hamm. I don't think he wants in the superhero game, but he might enjoy playing a fresher take on that: military, prominent romance, death.

If you can't get him, somebody else intensely likeable who may be willing to do a superhero movie but doesn't want to do a superhero franchise might be a good bet. Your Bradley Coopers and Ryan Goslings and Chris Pines and such. Barring that, an older actor like Aaron Eckhart or a Gerard Butler might enjoy stepping into a more mature hero with more mature themes.

[marcvader]

Like your ideas for casting, Cosmic. I was thinking along the lines of an older Mar-Vell, late thirtysomething, as it wouldn't require future installments but would love a Gosling in the role too.

[Dark Raven]

I would prefer a thirty-something Mar-Vell as well. Someone who's not going to be so popular that it ends up being turned into a franchise with the unintended effect of preventing Ms Marvel's own turn in the spotlight.

I don't want someone like Bradley Cooper. Aaron Eckhart could work.

And i do think at least someone in the movie could call him Captain Marvel. Maybe ask where's Billy Batson too, just as a joke. I mean, if your name was John Soupman, don't you think your colleagues would make fun of you and call you Superman? Especially if you do something heroic - eg you're a cop.

[cherokeesam]

I would prefer a thirty-something Mar-Vell as well. Someone who's not going to be so popular that it ends up being turned into a franchise with the unintended effect of preventing Ms Marvel's own turn in the spotlight.

I don't want someone like Bradley Cooper. Aaron Eckhart could work.

And i do think at least someone in the movie could call him Captain Marvel. Maybe ask where's Billy Batson too, just as a joke. I mean, if your name was John Soupman, don't you think your colleagues would make fun of you and call you Superman? Especially if you do something heroic - eg you're a cop.


Somehow, I don't think Feige or Avi or anyone else would be too keen on a joke that pays homage to a DC character. :)

[MarvelKnight]

Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.

You write a strong screenplay, assemble a strong cast, and just make the movie

I agree, Abin-Suring him would be the chicken-**** way to go, and even But I doubt it hasn't crossed someone's mind in the very least.

As far as Yvonne Stahovski, she is Carol Danvers in my opinion. Plus, she already is in shape and wouldn't need much more training from being on Chuck for 5 years. I would like to see it as more of being a torch being passed and carrying on the legacy as you've stated before instead of being a simple plot device to give her her powers.

[DrCosmic]

And i do think at least someone in the movie could call him Captain Marvel. Maybe ask where's Billy Batson too, just as a joke. I mean, if your name was John Soupman, don't you think your colleagues would make fun of you and call you Superman? Especially if you do something heroic - eg you're a cop.

Yeah, someone in the movie should certainly call him Captain Marvel. I think it might be best if Carol Danvers does, and run it like the scene in the Ultimate comics
Danvers: "Real name, real rank. Now."
Lawson: "Pluskommander Hala'son Ghenris Mar-Vell of the Kree Imperial Navy"
Danvers: "So... Captain... Marvel, basically?"

I'm not so sure about the Batson shoutout, because so few people would recognize the reference.

I think the Ultimate Comics had a really great take on the costume:
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Though I also want him to be using the Negabands... and I want the Kree to be a bit less human-looking than they are now.

Other random thoughts:
Arc I: Carol "Warbird" Danvers gets transferred from Air Force to SHIELD, where investigates Lawson, we see his origin story in retrospect as they play cat and mouse while this mysterious warrior character saves her from attacks from an unknown organization.
Act II: The Kree, with Lawson, are revealed, and now he and Danvers have to fight to prevent Col. Yon-Rogg from acquiring the second Negaband, in Lawson's possession, which would allow them to bring their entire fleet here in an instant. Nitros are created and released, one in particular has it out for the heroes.
Act III: With Lawson captured, Danvers flies and stealths her way onto their ship, rescues Mahr Vell, who then turns to face Yon-Rogg, with the negabands, harnessing immense energy from the Negative Zone (showing off what will be Ms. Marvel's powers). Lawson has a good, but losing fight but creates and explosion, taking out Yon-Rogg (overloading the bands?) though in the explosion, Danvers' DNA is Kree-ed up (reference some earlier plot point, perhaps with the Nitros' creation). Danvers holds Lawson though a death scene, puts on the bands and goes and stops Nitro by absorbing him.

A bit dense on the sci-fi, with aliens AND extradimensional stuff, but it's the best I got.

[Silvermoth]

A Ms Marvel telly series spun off from a movie would be cool. Sort of X-files meets Doctor Who.

Might give her a chance to boost her supporting cast a bit.

[Diamondhead]

Here's our Carol Danvers:

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She's got the right personality and looks for the part. Of course, she could easily play Mockingbird as well.
Not built curvy enough!maybe she'd be good in a rubber suit with curves and a little muscle playing Silver Sable
I've seen her in chuck and the woman has not enough hips for miss marvel
It would be like the B movie Vampirella .the woman wasn't nearly curvy enough ,it ruined it. Seriously!
The perfect actress would be Christina Applegate but sadly I think she's a little too old now, and I picture Amanda Seyfried more as the Valkyrie and I hope they use her in Thor.
Maybe the girl who used to host <popular mechanic for kids> Elisha Cuthbert!
I think her good enough for that!

[MarvelKnight]

She has the attitude, she already has fight training from being a spy on chuck and she is flippin hot.

Simple camera and light tricks can create the look of being more curvy or whatever if that is an honest requirement in your eyes.

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/yvonne-strahovski-as-ms-marvel.jpg

She is Ms. Marvel to me.

[MarvelKnight]

Ali Larter may be a secondary choice.

[cherokeesam]

I love Yvonne Strahovski, but she strikes me as a bit too serious for Carol Danvers, if that makes any sense. I think the actress who plays Carol needs to be able to play her with a sense of humor, with a sense of being a party girl who's trying to cast off her demons. And personally, I see her as an older soul --- not physically, maybe in her 30s, but she should feel more mature, more experienced. I could see Ali Larter, Elizabeth Banks, Charlize Theron, Malin Akerman, Diane Kruger....someone like that.

[MarvelKnight]

Yeah, I have only seen her in Chuck and in Killer Elite (that was only a bit part). But we'll see. I could see Ms. Marvel being introduced in a SHIELD movie as well, before they get her movie going too. Even if it's a cameo or a bit part at first before they get to the movie to at least get her on screen.

[Dark Raven]

She has the attitude, she already has fight training from being a spy on chuck and she is flippin hot.

Simple camera and light tricks can create the look of being more curvy or whatever if that is an honest requirement in your eyes.

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/yvonne-strahovski-as-ms-marvel.jpg

She is Ms. Marvel to me.

I posted this in a different thread, but it's just as relevant here.

Movie reshape. The answer to any problem of height/ too small boobs/ curviness etc:


zXSj4pcl9Ao


Using this technology, a person can be made to look taller or shorter without the need for forced camera angles, lifts, ramps etc. A person can also be made to look more muscular, fatter, bigger boobs etc.

I love Yvonne Strahovski, but she strikes me as a bit too serious for Carol Danvers, if that makes any sense. I think the actress who plays Carol needs to be able to play her with a sense of humor, with a sense of being a party girl who's trying to cast off her demons. And personally, I see her as an older soul --- not physically, maybe in her 30s, but she should feel more mature, more experienced. I could see Ali Larter, Elizabeth Banks, Charlize Theron, Malin Akerman, Diane Kruger....someone like that.

I don't really get this party girl vibe from Carol Danvers. She is a pretty serious character and often seemed to want to be taken seriously and show that she could compete with the boys. However, even if you go for a party girl angle, Strahovski can do that, and she has done that in Chuck. It's just that her role in there hasn't called for her to be that kind of person but a spy - which certainly fits with the military angle of Carol.

And besides, Marvel movies change personalities all the time. Jim Rhodes/ War Machine should be much more laid back in the comics. The way his character has been written in both Iron Man movies is to make him more serious and by the book compared to the fun-loving Stark (who isn't always that way in the comics himself but more serious).

[cherokeesam]

I don't really get this party girl vibe from Carol Danvers. She is a pretty serious character and often seemed to want to be taken seriously and show that she could compete with the boys. However, even if you go for a party girl angle, Strahovski can do that, and she has done that in Chuck. It's just that her role in there hasn't called for her to be that kind of person but a spy - which certainly fits with the military angle of Carol.

And besides, Marvel movies change personalities all the time. Jim Rhodes/ War Machine should be much more laid back in the comics. The way his character has been written in both Iron Man movies is to make him more serious and by the book compared to the fun-loving Stark (who isn't always that way in the comics himself but more serious).

I was talking about Carol's past, and the fact that she's a recovering alcoholic.

[Dark Raven]

I was talking about Carol's past, and the fact that she's a recovering alcoholic.

They can just cut that out altogether. That's the mid section of Carol's past. She didn't start off that way in the 70s and 80s, and she isn't really that so much today. Part of the reason she got into that was because she had her powers and identity stolen from her by Rogue when she was thrown off the Golden Gate Bridge. Since Rogue is owned by Fox, there won't be any of that backstory. There was also that whole rape thing with Marcus (son of Immortus) and her sense of betrayal by the Avengers. Not only will they not go into any rape issue, but that would be too far down the line anyway where the team is already well established.

I see Marvel just glossing over this in the same way as Tony Stark barely touched on this in Iron Man 2. Alcoholism is more of Iron Man's schtick anyway, and even then, isn't what defines him. I don't think there's any need for that with Carol.

[Chewy]

I posted this in a different thread, but it's just as relevant here.

Movie reshape. The answer to any problem of height/ too small boobs/ curviness etc:


zXSj4pcl9Ao


Using this technology, a person can be made to look taller or shorter without the need for forced camera angles, lifts, ramps etc. A person can also be made to look more muscular, fatter, bigger boobs etc.
Or just don't, and leave the actress as is.

"Not enough hips"? Is this actually something someone posted? :doh:

[MarvelKnight]

Yes, essentially someone did post that. Kind of obsurd, no?

[BigThor]

Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.

Definately :up:

Well said Chewy, I know I'm a little late to the party but I'm starting to become more and more excited about a Captain Marvel film

[MarvelKnight]

Who should play Mar-Vell? Also, if they go through with it, I hope they don't go with CGI for the character himself.

[Dark Raven]

Who should play Mar-Vell? Also, if they go through with it, I hope they don't go with CGI for the character himself.

Kevin Pennington.

[marcvader]

Kevin Pennington.

The infamous!

[Captain Marvel]

Bad idea. Don't bother with Mar-Vell at all and just make Ms. Marvel. She doesn't need Mar-Vell to have a workable origin, and having her dependent on another superhero who'll die is just starting her off on the wrong foot. Set her up as the main hero of her movie series from the start, not the backup hero.

[Dark Raven]

Bad idea. Don't bother with Mar-Vell at all and just make Ms. Marvel. She doesn't need Mar-Vell to have a workable origin, and having her dependent on another superhero who'll die is just starting her off on the wrong foot. Set her up as the main hero of her movie series from the start, not the backup hero.

Well, you could always have Mar-Vell start off as the hero, like Steven Segal in Executive Decision. He seems to be the main hero, but dies a quarter of the way through, and the mission is left to Kurt Russell, who is playing against type as not the macho type.

It would be a surprise to people watching the movie and expecting the standard superhero film, and would make them sit up. It could be marketed as a Captain Marvel movie but actually turn out to be a Ms Marvel movie.

[marcvader]

Bad idea. Don't bother with Mar-Vell at all and just make Ms. Marvel. She doesn't need Mar-Vell to have a workable origin, and having her dependent on another superhero who'll die is just starting her off on the wrong foot. Set her up as the main hero of her movie series from the start, not the backup hero.

Nah, don't worry, your guy is called Shazam now so there won't be any confusion. :hehe:

[Captain Marvel]

Nah, don't worry, your guy is called Shazam now so there won't be any confusion. :hehe:

If Marvel wants a bomb, then go right ahead and make a movie with Mar-Vell. The guy can't carry a series past 30 or so issues, why does anyone think he'll be able to carry a movie? And to make a movie just to kill him and pass the torch to Ms. Marvel? So a woman can't carry a movie series unless a man starts it off for her? Is that the message people want to get across? Personally speaking, I want Ms. Marvel to have her own trilogy of movies, not a hand-me-down trilogy after Mar-Vell hogged one of the movies.

[DrCosmic]

Bad idea. Don't bother with Mar-Vell at all and just make Ms. Marvel. She doesn't need Mar-Vell to have a workable origin, and having her dependent on another superhero who'll die is just starting her off on the wrong foot. Set her up as the main hero of her movie series from the start, not the backup hero.

How do you imagine the story going without Mar-Vell?

If Marvel wants a bomb, then go right ahead and make a movie with Mar-Vell. The guy can't carry a series past 30 or so issues, why does anyone think he'll be able to carry a movie? And to make a movie just to kill him and pass the torch to Ms. Marvel? So a woman can't carry a movie series unless a man starts it off for her? Is that the message people want to get across? Personally speaking, I want Ms. Marvel to have her own trilogy of movies, not a hand-me-down trilogy after Mar-Vell hogged one of the movies.

Contrast hits with celebrated heroines like Terminator and Aliens with moderate successes despite A list talent like Kill Bill and Tomb Raider. Ignore the plethora of abject failures. The message is already sent, ignore it at your own risk.

The reason to use Mar-vell is because it allows you to tell a brand new superhero story, one where the hero actually dies, actually loses, and his love interest takes up his mantle. With that in mind, the whole movie is constructed for Carol to be the hero, it's just not the cookie cutter way, it's not apparent until the overt hero dies. Executive Decision is a good example. Other films which pass the buck to a new hero include 300, Armageddon, The Book of Eli. Good films, in general. It's a very strong, rarely used twist. For me personally, Highlander: Endgame would be the ideal balance/climax/torch passing pacing. They work together, Mar-Vell is clearly the superior, but he passes his power to Danvers so that she can achieve the victory he cannot.

Who do you imagine as the villains involved in a Ms. Marvel trilogy?

[BigThor]

If Marvel wants a bomb, then go right ahead and make a movie with Mar-Vell. The guy can't carry a series past 30 or so issues, why does anyone think he'll be able to carry a movie? And to make a movie just to kill him and pass the torch to Ms. Marvel? So a woman can't carry a movie series unless a man starts it off for her? Is that the message people want to get across? Personally speaking, I want Ms. Marvel to have her own trilogy of movies, not a hand-me-down trilogy after Mar-Vell hogged one of the movies.

I don't think a Captain Marvel film would be anymore likely to bomb than a Ms. Marvel film, both of them are probably D listers when it comes to the general audience. Granted Ms. Marvel is significantly more popular in the comic book world especially in the last few years, but that doesn't necessarily mean it would translate over into the movie world.

I say let the first film be a Captain Marvel film with him dying at the end and showing Carol Denvers DNA combined with his Kree DNA. Then have her take up the Marvel mantle at the beginning of the sequel film (or very end of the 1st) and from then on out it could be a Ms. Marvel story.

[Chewy]

If Marvel wants a bomb, then go right ahead and make a movie with Mar-Vell. The guy can't carry a series past 30 or so issues, why does anyone think he'll be able to carry a movie? And to make a movie just to kill him and pass the torch to Ms. Marvel? So a woman can't carry a movie series unless a man starts it off for her? Is that the message people want to get across? Personally speaking, I want Ms. Marvel to have her own trilogy of movies, not a hand-me-down trilogy after Mar-Vell hogged one of the movies.
Comic sales don't matter. Green Lantern was one of the hottest properties in comicdom when that movie came out. Captain Marvel is a somewhat straightforward character with one notable storyline - his death.

It's not that a woman can't carry a movie series unless a man starts it off her, it's that it's a unique story that pertains to Ms Marvel wherein her predecessor dies and passes on the mantel.

Ms Marvel would have her own trilogy of films. It's just that the first would have a co-star. Her origin ties in directly to Mar-Vell, and combining that story with his death gives the tale emotional weight it wouldn't otherwise have had

[BigThor]

Comic sales don't matter. Green Lantern was one of the hottest properties in comicdom when that movie came out.

That's pretty much the same thing I just said in my post, comic sells doesn't necessary transition over to the big screen.

[Dark Raven]

Comic sales don't matter. Green Lantern was one of the hottest properties in comicdom when that movie came out. Captain Marvel is a somewhat straightforward character with one notable storyline - his death.

It's not that a woman can't carry a movie series unless a man starts it off her, it's that it's a unique story that pertains to Ms Marvel wherein her predecessor dies and passes on the mantel.

Ms Marvel would have her own trilogy of films. It's just that the first would have a co-star. Her origin ties in directly to Mar-Vell, and combining that story with his death gives the tale emotional weight it wouldn't otherwise have had

Exactly. And my suggestion of making it like Executive Decision is not so that Captain Marvel has to carry the movie first, but because it would be a big shock to audiences and differentiate it from all the other comic book movies out there. Audiences probably already think that all comic movies are much the same, so anything that switches up the formula a bit is a good thing. And when I mention Executive Decision, that doesn't mean that Mar-Vell has to die at around the same spot as Steven Segal did in that movie.

[BigThor]

I say he should die at the end of the movie, that way his death would be that much ore shocking to the GA and have more of impact.

[Captain Marvel]

Comic sales don't matter, no, but it says something when not even comic fans could get into him. Whenever people talk about Mar-Vell, what do they say? "Oh yeah, he's the guy that died from cancer". That's all anybody knows or cares to know about him, but when Marvel tries to give him a new series? It tanks. The last one tanked so badly that they made him a Skrull so they could go back to the drawing board. How appealing is he when not even the hardcore fans can be bothered to turn out for his titles? Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, is pretty damn snazzy. And unlike Mar-Vell, I read her title. :D

[BigThor]

Comic sales don't matter, no, but it says something when not even comic fans could get into him. Whenever people talk about Mar-Vell, what do they say? "Oh yeah, he's the guy that died from cancer".

Yeah that's comic fans say about him, but to the GA he has a clean slate and they wouldn't look at him any differently than they would any other unknown superhero.

[marcvader]

If Marvel wants a bomb, then go right ahead and make a movie with Mar-Vell. The guy can't carry a series past 30 or so issues, why does anyone think he'll be able to carry a movie? And to make a movie just to kill him and pass the torch to Ms. Marvel? So a woman can't carry a movie series unless a man starts it off for her? Is that the message people want to get across? Personally speaking, I want Ms. Marvel to have her own trilogy of movies, not a hand-me-down trilogy after Mar-Vell hogged one of the movies.

Mar-Vell's first volume ran 62 issues, 21 initially then 41 bimonthly, while Carol's ran 23. Her second stint which benefited from being written well and prominently in Civil War ran about 50 something.

[BigThor]

Mar-Vell's first volume ran 62 issues while Carol's ran 23. Her second stint which benefited from being written well and prominently in Civil War ran about 50 something.

Wow I honestly didn't know, thanks for the info Marc. :up:

[Dark Raven]

62 issues is still fairly impressive, given how other comics have done, even back then. That's 5 years. Spider-Woman only ran 50 issues. She-Hulk was 25 (2 more than Ms Marvel). Ghost Rider was about 80 something. Both Power Man and Iron First were in danger of cancellation until they combined around issue 50 of Luke Cage.

[DrCosmic]

I say let the first film be a Captain Marvel film with him dying at the end and showing Carol Denvers DNA combined with his Kree DNA. Then have her take up the Marvel mantle at the beginning of the sequel film (or very end of the 1st) and from then on out it could be a Ms. Marvel story.

That sounds alright if it's just a standalone franchise, but if its tied in with the Avengers, I'd like her to have at least one super powered fight under her belt before she shows up in Avengers 2, or else she seems kinda whack/unworthy. Fans should be able to see that she stands on her own, even before she gets powers she'd be Black-Widow-in-Iron-Man-2 level in terms of action, but we should see her use her powers, I think. Maybe Mar-Vell takes out Yon-Rogg and Sentry-359 while Carol takes out Nitro or something like that.

[MarvelKnight]

Ewan McGregor would be my pick for Capt. Marvel.

[Dark Raven]

How about Armie Hammer for Captain Marvel? He's got the acting chops and looks the part. In the new Lone Ranger movie he's even got the classic Captain Marvel hair. http://bcove.me/d8ybj3uq

With his height, build and deep voice he could seem like a Kree warrior.

He might not be right for someone like Superman, but he could work for Mar-Vell.

[BigThor]

^ Yeah I could definately see him as Captain Marvel, he certainly has the look and the voice for the role plus from what I've hear he's also a fine actor.

[Dark Raven]

The only thing I would say about having Hammer in the role is that he could come across so likeable and popular with audiences that Marvel might decide not to kill him off because Captain Marvel could end up a lucrative franchise that they're not going to want to risk by replacing him with Ms Marvel who, as a female character, is more of a risk to studios.

While Mar-Vell might not be that popular with comic fans, with the right actor in the role in the movie (eg someone like Hammer) he could easily become an A-lister in films. Hammer definitely has the presence to elevate the character beyond his comic book status.

However, that's not to say that we can't have Ms Marvel too. After all, it's not like the two characters only ran in series and never operated at the same time in actual fact. Both Carol and Mar-Vell were in existence and worked with the Avengers for a fair chunk of time before Mar-Vell eventually succumbed to cancer. So it doesn't necessarily have to be a passing of the torch to Carol at all.

[BigThor]

The only thing I would say about having Hammer in the role is that he could come across so likeable and popular with audiences that Marvel might decide not to kill him off because Captain Marvel could end up a lucrative franchise that they're not going to want to risk by replacing him with Ms Marvel who, as a female character, is more of a risk to studios.

While Mar-Vell might not be that popular with comic fans, with the right actor in the role in the movie (eg someone like Hammer) he could easily become an A-lister in films. Hammer definitely has the presence to elevate the character beyond his comic book status.

However, that's not to say that we can't have Ms Marvel too. After all, it's not like the two characters only ran in series and never operated at the same time in actual fact. Both Carol and Mar-Vell were in existence and worked with the Avengers for a fair chunk of time before Mar-Vell eventually succumbed to cancer. So it doesn't necessarily have to be a passing of the torch to Carol at all.

Very good points, those two working together in a film would be very awesome indeed.

[DrCosmic]

...I'm not sure them working together would be that awesome in a film, tbh. Their powers are identical aren't they? And it makes Ms. Marvel look like a sidekick instead of a legacy hero. And you lose what makes the film special if the hero survives. Maybe having a likeable Hammer bite it just drives home the point that much harder.

[BigThor]

...I'm not sure them working together would be that awesome in a film, tbh. Their powers are identical aren't they? And it makes Ms. Marvel look like a sidekick instead of a legacy hero. And you lose what makes the film special if the hero survives. Maybe having a likeable Hammer bite it just drives home the point that much harder.

It wouldn't look like she's a side kick if they're working together "loosely" as in being on missions in different places, but I understand where you're coming from.

[Dark Raven]

...I'm not sure them working together would be that awesome in a film, tbh. Their powers are identical aren't they? And it makes Ms. Marvel look like a sidekick instead of a legacy hero. And you lose what makes the film special if the hero survives. Maybe having a likeable Hammer bite it just drives home the point that much harder.

While I've thought of this and would agree to a certain extent and would even like to see this, the thing is that if Marvel have a success on their hands with Armie Hammer in the role, then they probably won't want to kill him off even if that was their initial plan. It's like killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Although on a different scale, imagine if Marvel always planned to kill off Iron Man in the movies. Then when RDJ strikes such a chord with audiences they're not going to want to go with their intial plan because it's box office gold.

As far as Capt Marvel is concerned, think about it from a business point of view for Marvel. If he turns out to be popular, will they want to switch out their character for a female version who may or may not be popular but isn't a sure thing yet (especially given that female characters aren't as successful)?

[DrCosmic]

It wouldn't look like she's a side kick if they're working together "loosely" as in being on missions in different places, but I understand where you're coming from.

How could they work together loosely in the same film?

While I've thought of this and would agree to a certain extent and would even like to see this, the thing is that if Marvel have a success on their hands with Armie Hammer in the role, then they probably won't want to kill him off even if that was their initial plan. It's like killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Although on a different scale, imagine if Marvel always planned to kill off Iron Man in the movies. Then when RDJ strikes such a chord with audiences they're not going to want to go with their intial plan because it's box office gold.

As far as Capt Marvel is concerned, think about it from a business point of view for Marvel. If he turns out to be popular, will they want to switch out their character for a female version who may or may not be popular but isn't a sure thing yet (especially given that female characters aren't as successful)?

I see what you're saying... but I don't think there's a time frame for that, and I don't think Marvel is in 'screw storytelling, lets just make money' mode. Feige isn't going to drop in on a director during post production saying "Armie's testing well, change the ending of the film." Once they know they have a success, he'd already be dead, so when would this proverbial 'box office gold' adjustment take place? If anything, they'll just decide not to go ahead with a Ms. Marvel film, or reduce her role in the Avengers.

[Dark Raven]

How could they work together loosely in the same film?



I see what you're saying... but I don't think there's a time frame for that, and I don't think Marvel is in 'screw storytelling, lets just make money' mode. Feige isn't going to drop in on a director during post production saying "Armie's testing well, change the ending of the film." Once they know they have a success, he'd already be dead, so when would this proverbial 'box office gold' adjustment take place? If anything, they'll just decide not to go ahead with a Ms. Marvel film, or reduce her role in the Avengers.

Well, I foresee that Marvel would probably not decide to kill him off anyway but have a complete movie with him where he lives at the end. However, the movie might be seeded with Carol Danvers and even show her absorbing some of his kree energy, with her only finding out towards the end that she has powers. Marvel would probably set it up that Carol only becomes Ms Marvel in a sequel, or if she does become the character at the end, then Mar-Vell would still be around.

It's not like Mar-Vell died on his first outing anyway. He was around for 62 issues and had some appearances in the Marvel universe, even alongside Ms Marvel.

If Marvel do decide to bring Ms Marvel to life however, they had better not do a half-hearted attempt on her with some more conservative, "realistic" costume that covers her up. I want the thigh high boots and bare legs (and even ass cheeks) and the whole gold lightning stripe on her front with the red sash. I'd like to see her original costume too with equally bare legs and a bare navel. They had better make that costume sexy!!

[BigThor]

How could they work together loosely in the same film?

By "loosely" I meant working together but not necessarily side by side like being on different missions in different places.

If Marvel do decide to bring Ms Marvel to life however, they had better not do a half-hearted attempt on her with some more conservative, "realistic" costume that covers her up. I want the thigh high boots and bare legs (and even ass cheeks) and the whole gold lightning stripe on her front with the red sash. I'd like to see her original costume too with equally bare legs and a bare navel. They had better make that costume sexy!!

Wow you're probably the only person I've seen say they want Ms. Marvel to retain her "ass cheeks" showing outfit from the comics, although if they go that route they better get an actress with a nice sized ass for the role.

I think Ali Larter is at the top of my list for actresses I want to see portray Ms. Marvel and what do you know she even has a nice sized butt. :cool:

[Dark Raven]

By "loosely" I meant working together but not necessarily side by side like being on different missions in different places.



Wow you're probably the only person I've seen say they want Ms. Marvel to retain her "ass cheeks" showing outfit from the comics, although if they go that route they better get an actress with a nice sized ass for the role.

I think Ali Larter is at the top of my list for actresses I want to see portray Ms. Marvel and what do you know she even has a nice sized butt. :cool:

Well we all want the same costume for Ms Marvel, don't we?

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel//universe3zx/images/thumb/b/ba/MsMarvel(Danvers)_Head.jpg/406px-MsMarvel(Danvers)_Head.jpg

Otherwise what else are people thinking of?

I mean, there is this one too, which is her original costume:

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/3/3f/Ms._Marvel_Vol_2_45_Textless_Djurdjevic_Variant.jp g

But the classic one is the first one I posted.

I hope people aren't wanting a SHIELD-type uniform, or something like Movie Elektra with her legs covered up. :cmad:

I still want Yvonne Strahovski for Carol. I don't really like Ali Larter.

And her ass doesn't have to be huge! It just has to be shapely, that's all.

[BigThor]

But the classic one is the first one I posted.

I hope people aren't wanting a SHIELD-type uniform, or something like Movie Elektra with her legs covered up. :cmad:

I still want Yvonne Strahovski for Carol. I don't really like Ali Larter.

And her ass doesn't have to be huge! It just has to be shapely, that's all.

Yeah alot of people were saying Ms. Marvel's classic costume is too "revealing" for live action, I used to agree with them to a certain extent but now I think her classic costume would be just fine.

I know her ass doesn't have to be huge that's why I said "nice sized", I also looked up Yvonne and I could definately see her playing Ms. Marvel although I still prefer Ali Larter.

[Dark Raven]

Yeah alot of people were saying Ms. Marvel's classic costume is too "revealing" for live action, I used to agree with them to a certain extent but now I think her classic costume would be just fine.

I know her ass doesn't have to be huge that's why I said "nice sized", I also looked up Yvonne and I could definately see her playing Ms. Marvel although I still prefer Ali Larter.

Well ok, her costume doesn't need to show ass cheeks as if she's only wearing a thong, but it can still be like a bikini bottom or leotard. I want the classic costume and not some very bland, generic version like all the costumes in the X-men movies.

She certainly needs to be showing off some leg and have bare arms and shoulders. I'm bored of all the Hollywood attempts to run away from the original source of the comics and their colourful costumes. It's not like Ms Marvel's costume is bright yellow anyway. Yes, it might be too revealing for a normal person to wear, but that's why they should bring in some of the early elements of Ms Marvel where Carol Danvers seemed to be taken over by her kree persona and didn't even realise she was a superheroine. That way they can say that Kree female warriors wear outfits like this, and she won't have any issues with it.

Yvonne Strahovski seems fine with wearing revealing costumes too, so she probably wouldn't mind wearing Ms Marvel's outfit.

[BigThor]

Well ok, her costume doesn't need to show ass cheeks as if she's only wearing a thong, but it can still be like a bikini bottom or leotard. I want the classic costume and not some very bland, generic version like all the costumes in the X-men movies.

She certainly needs to be showing off some leg and have bare arms and shoulders. I'm bored of all the Hollywood attempts to run away from the original source of the comics and their colourful costumes. It's not like Ms Marvel's costume is bright yellow anyway. Yes, it might be too revealing for a normal person to wear, but that's why they should bring in some of the early elements of Ms Marvel where Carol Danvers seemed to be taken over by her kree persona and didn't even realise she was a superheroine. That way they can say that Kree female warriors wear outfits like this, and she won't have any issues with it.

Yvonne Strahovski seems fine with wearing revealing costumes too, so she probably wouldn't mind wearing Ms Marvel's outfit.

Yeah I think a bikini bottom would be just find and I would like for her costume to look as much like her classic costume as possible.

What don't you like about Ali Larter again?

[Dark Raven]

Yeah I think a bikini bottom would be just find and I would like for her costume to look as much like her classic costume as possible.

What don't you like about Ali Larter again?

I never liked her on Heroes. I always found her boring and somewhat annoying, even when she played several different and quite distinct characters on the show. I think it means therefore I didn't like the actress rather than her character(s).

[BigThor]

I never liked her on Heroes. I always found her boring and somewhat annoying, even when she played several different and quite distinct characters on the show. I think it means therefore I didn't like the actress rather than her character(s).

I thought she was pretty good on Heroes and she's seemed like a fine actor in almost every role I've seen her in, plus she looks like Ms. Marvel stepped out of a comic book into real life.

[Chewy]

Ali Larter is a terrible actress

[BigThor]

Ali Larter is a terrible actress

Lol I can understand mediocre, but terrible?

[marcvader]

All this Mar Vell talk is setting me up for a let down. He's a d-lister I've always had a soft spot for and would love to see translated to live action. What d-listers would some of you like to see ?

[BigThor]

All this Mar Vell talk is setting me up for a let down. He's a d-lister I've always had a soft spot for and would love to see translated to live action. What d-listers would some of you like to see ?

I can't really think of any off the top of my head, why don't you list a few characters you consider "D listers".

[Dark Raven]

All this Mar Vell talk is setting me up for a let down. He's a d-lister I've always had a soft spot for and would love to see translated to live action. What d-listers would some of you like to see ?

The general audience don't know whether he's a D-lister or not though.

The Incredibles weren't known at all. They were just invented for the movie in fact. Same with non-superhero films.

So I'm sure Captain Marvel could be well received if he's done properly and has a decent actor in the part. I think Armie Hammer could bring him to life, and he's an up-and-coming actor who is gaining more attention.

[BigThor]

The general audience don't know whether he's a D-lister or not though.

The Incredibles weren't known at all. They were just invented for the movie in fact. Same with non-superhero films.

So I'm sure Captain Marvel could be well received if he's done properly and has a decent actor in the part. I think Armie Hammer could bring him to life, and he's an up-and-coming actor who is gaining more attention.

I've always been meaning to ask you this, you are a female right?

[marcvader]

Sasquatch, Black Knight, Guardian, Cloak, Dagger, Shroud, etc

[BigThor]

Sasquatch, Black Knight, Guardian, Cloak, Dagger, Shroud, etc

I've been thinking Black Knight would make a good film for awhile now.

[DrCosmic]

Cloak and Dagger would make me very happy.

[Dark Raven]

I've always been meaning to ask you this, you are a female right?

Nope. Male. Why do you ask?

Sasquatch, Black Knight, Guardian, Cloak, Dagger, Shroud, etc

You wouldn't have Sasquatch and Guardian in movies of their own. They would be in an Alpha Flight movie.

Cloak and Dagger would be in their own movie too.

Black Knight could work on his own, but it should tie into all the medieval stuff just as Marvel is developing the cosmic stuff. Then they could throw in Captain Britain in there. Although he is more closely associated with X-Men these days, Capt Britain started off with Black Knight and managed to get himself killed at the hands of the White Rider before he was brought back by Merlin. That's when he had his original lionheart costume with the sceptre.

[Chewy]

Lol I can understand mediocre, but terrible?
Yeah she's really hot so people tend to overlook it but she's just really really awful in almost everything she's done

[cherokeesam]

Sasquatch, Black Knight, Guardian, Cloak, Dagger, Shroud, etc


The difference is that Captain Marvel had his own title, while the ones you mention don't. Younger generations don't know much about Captain Marvel, because he belonged to the 60s and 70s, but he was considered a major character in the Marvel roster back then. Marvel has tried unsuccessfully to revive interest in him in subsequent decades with variant Captains like Genis-Vell and Photon, and even Mar-Vell revisited.

All that adds up to him being a lot more than a D-lister.

[MarvelKnight]

I'm all for an Alpha Flight movie. Too bad their 'on-going series' got cancelled after 8. Bad form. Oh well. But it would good to see them get a film.

[BigThor]

Yeah she's really hot so people tend to overlook it but she's just really really awful in almost everything she's done

Good point, when I watch her in films I do pay more attention to how she looks that what she's saying or doing.

[Chewy]

Ms Marvel's called Captain Marvel now. Jus' sayin'

Mar-Vell -> Carol passing the mantle/legacy movie. Get to work, Marvel

[Dark Raven]

Boo. I prefer her called Ms Marvel than Captain Marvel.

[marcvader]

Not feeling this at all. Damn you Marvel!!!

[metaphysician]

I preferred Warbird, myself.

[Dark Raven]

I preferred Warbird, myself.

That always sounded very generic, like Photon.

Ms Marvel is more catchy and has more personality. Anyone could've been called Warbird - eg one of these spins offs from Thunderbird of the X-Men.

[cherokeesam]

That always sounded very generic, like Photon.

Ms Marvel is more catchy and has more personality. Anyone could've been called Warbird - eg one of these spins offs from Thunderbird of the X-Men.


Ms. Marvel sounds like she should belong to DC's Marvel Family. A nickname for Mary Marvel.

[Dark Raven]

Ms. Marvel sounds like she should belong to DC's Marvel Family. A nickname for Mary Marvel.

Except that the Marvel Family sound like they should all belong to Marvel Comics.

[metaphysician]

My problem with Ms Marvel is that its one of those "female version of male character" names, even though more people have probably heard of Carol Danvers than Mar-Vell these days. Warbird at least fits with her military origins.

[Dark Raven]

My problem with Ms Marvel is that its one of those "female version of male character" names, even though more people have probably heard of Carol Danvers than Mar-Vell these days. Warbird at least fits with her military origins.

Well that has never been a problem for people in everyday life. You get plenty of girls' names which are the female equivalent of males (or vice versa):

eg: Samantha/ Samuel; Henrietta/ Henry; Patricia/ Patrick; Georgina/ George; Josephine/Joseph; Michaela/ Michael; Christine/ Christopher etc.

And what about she/he or woman/man?

It's not like a female version doesn't hold any weight on her own. It's part of our human culture to have something like that.

[marcvader]

Ms. Marvel sounds pretty damn generic as well.

[ThatDamnNinja]

Ms. Marvel needs to happen. The world needs a really good, female-driven superhero movie. Though it'll be for sure be called Captain Marvel, because a.) They want to align their film and comic properties, and she's Captain Marvel now, b.) Captain Marvel is an easier sell to male audiences than Ms. Marvel, and c.) No way Marvel misses the opportunity to put DC in a crappy position with their own Captain Marvel.

And to me, the obvious director/actor pairing for this is Kathryn Bigelow and Jessica Chastain. Carol Danvers is a military pilot and, in the Kelly Sue DeConnick reboot, is depicted as a perfectionist and a self-destructive adrenaline junkies. Marvel will definitely want to go after a female director, and military movies and self-destructive adrenaline junkie protagonists are Kathryn Bigelow's bread and butter. It's, to me, as natural and obvious a pairing of director and material as Captain America with Joe Johnston.

Plus, Jessica Chastain is a physically attractive woman at the right age who has shown enormous range and talent as an actor, she's hot right now, but not a huge star yet, she was already cast in Iron Man 3 before dropping out for scheduling reasons, but said she still wants to be in a Marvel movie, and she's starring in the upcoming Zero Dark Thirty directed by, hey, you guessed it, Kathryn Bigelow.

And boom goes the dynamite.

[cherokeesam]

Ms. Marvel needs to happen. The world needs a really good, female-driven superhero movie. Though it'll be for sure be called Captain Marvel, because a.) They want to align their film and comic properties, and she's Captain Marvel now, b.) Captain Marvel is an easier sell to male audiences than Ms. Marvel, and c.) No way Marvel misses the opportunity to put DC in a crappy position with their own Captain Marvel.

And to me, the obvious director/actor pairing for this is Kathryn Bigelow and Jessica Chastain. Carol Danvers is a military pilot and, in the Kelly Sue DeConnick reboot, is depicted as a perfectionist and a self-destructive adrenaline junkies. Marvel will definitely want to go after a female director, and military movies and self-destructive adrenaline junkie protagonists are Kathryn Bigelow's bread and butter. It's, to me, as natural and obvious a pairing of director and material as Captain America with Joe Johnston.

Plus, Jessica Chastain is a physically attractive woman at the right age who has shown enormous range and talent as an actor, she's hot right now, but not a huge star yet, she was already cast in Iron Man 3 before dropping out for scheduling reasons, but said she still wants to be in a Marvel movie, and she's starring in the upcoming Zero Dark Thirty directed by, hey, you guessed it, Kathryn Bigelow.

And boom goes the dynamite.

Yes to Bigelow, no to Chastain. I can't see Chastain becoming an action star or Ms. Marvel, ever.

[jaqua99]

Idk. When I think of marvel...in terms of with a title name.... I think of mar vell.

[The Infernal]

I like the idea of a Captain Marvel/Ms. Marvel movie. It would be a great opportunity to set up Ms. Marvel in an Avengers sequel (potentially).

Though I'd like the focus to be Ms. Marvel's character, I'd like to see it do a good interpretation of Captain Marvel before he hands off the mantle to Ms. Marvel. Though I'm not sure whether he should die or not, just that she should be the main hero by the end of the film.

[Hawkingbird]

I'd like both, but I really would want Ms. Marvel. You'd have to have a really strong woman playing her though (in terms of personality).

[Silvermoth]

Although I support women in comic book movies, Ms Marvel doesn't seem quite right. Let her develop in an Avengers film (or several films) first.

There's other cool superheroines I would rather see first like more Black Widow, Scarlet Witch and Medusa of the Inhumans.

[The Infernal]

Although I support women in comic book movies, Ms Marvel doesn't seem quite right. Let her develop in an Avengers film (or several films) first.

There's other cool superheroines I would rather see first like more Black Widow, Scarlet Witch and Medusa of the Inhumans.

I don't know. Scarlet Witch and Medusa feel like incredibly left field ideas and less likely to get a spin off comic as much as say Widow or Marvel in the comics let alone the MCU (especially Medusa). Widow has already been in IM2 and Avengers that I'm not personally bothered about a solo for her right now.

Ms. Marvel I feel at least represents something that the MCU isn't currently offering and adds another potential strong female character for the Avengers.

[Silvermoth]

I don't deny that she would make a wonderful addition to the Avengers sequel but the fact is, she doesn't have much of a supporting cast or any really famous stories to be a part of (besides that infamous one about Immortus). It would be incredibly difficult for her to maintain a story.

[spideymouse]

I don't deny that she would make a wonderful addition to the Avengers sequel but the fact is, she doesn't have much of a supporting cast or any really famous stories to be a part of (besides that infamous one about Immortus). It would be incredibly difficult for her to maintain a story.

Wouldn't a story revolving around Captain Marvel and the coming of the Kree be a pretty important and famous story? You could have Ronan the Accuser, Sentry-459...

And it could lead into a Kree-Skrull War movie for an Avengers sequel! Just a thought. I actually didn't read those books.

[marcvader]

Wouldn't a story revolving around Captain Marvel and the coming of the Kree be a pretty important and famous story? You could have Ronan the Accuser, Sentry-459...

And it could lead into a Kree-Skrull War movie for an Avengers sequel! Just a thought. I actually didn't read those books.

Take aspects from Mar-Vell's origin and A:EMH and you get a cool Ms.Marvel solo. Roughly, you have the alien Mar-Vell sent to Earth to observe and report if we're a threat. He comes into contact with Danvers and gains the admiration and an affection for the human. He turns around and decides take sides with the humans and goes against his homeworld's directive, He mentors Danvers in the Kree ways of battle and what not and she gains her abilites through him. This in turn is viewed as treason and the Kree remotely activate their long since infiltrated Sentry-459. Mar-Vell and Danvers work together to defeat the Sentry but during this battle Mar-Vell is mortally wounded. Mar-Vell knowing that the Kree would not stop in their efforts finishes the training and transfers all his powers to Danvers to prepare her for what is surely to come. Enter Ronan the Accuser.

[DrCosmic]

I don't deny that she would make a wonderful addition to the Avengers sequel but the fact is, she doesn't have much of a supporting cast or any really famous stories to be a part of (besides that infamous one about Immortus). It would be incredibly difficult for her to maintain a story.

To be fair, most heroes don't have really famous stories outside of their origin. Ms. Marvel at least has a couple memorable/notable ones, the infamous one, the Binary one, the Rogue-takes her powers one.

As for supporting cast, Ms. Marvel is a SHIELD agent, and she has a couple of recurring human love interests. That's as much (more) supporting cast as any of the other females, all of which are dependent on groups that includes more significant male heroes for their supporting cast (Inhumans, SHIELD, the unavailable mutant community).

[The Sarge]

reading through the thread, it sounds like a lot of you don't care for Captain Marvel much at all.
His early adventures were some pretty sweet galactic superhero stuff- and his ties to Rick Jones could possibly introduce him to the movie verse as well.

And though Genis-Vell's solo run by Peter David only lasted about 60 issues, it's very good. I found it far better than a large amount of the other stuff Marvel was releasing at the time.

I found the Ultimate incarnation pretty sweet too. I wouldn't mind seeing something like that on film. I liked how they made his human form a disguise altogether- he kind of resembled more of a prawn from District 9 otherwise.

[Hawkingbird]

I don't know. Scarlet Witch and Medusa feel like incredibly left field ideas and less likely to get a spin off comic as much as say Widow or Marvel in the comics let alone the MCU (especially Medusa). Widow has already been in IM2 and Avengers that I'm not personally bothered about a solo for her right now.

Ms. Marvel I feel at least represents something that the MCU isn't currently offering and adds another potential strong female character for the Avengers.

Agree with you on that one. Ms.Marvel and Janet need to turn up.

[spideymouse]

Take aspects from Mar-Vell's origin and A:EMH and you get a cool Ms.Marvel solo. Roughly, you have the alien Mar-Vell sent to Earth to observe and report if we're a threat. He comes into contact with Danvers and gains the admiration and an affection for the human. He turns around and decides take sides with the humans and goes against his homeworld's directive, He mentors Danvers in the Kree ways of battle and what not and she gains her abilites through him. This in turn is viewed as treason and the Kree remotely activate their long since infiltrated Sentry-459. Mar-Vell and Danvers work together to defeat the Sentry but during this battle Mar-Vell is mortally wounded. Mar-Vell knowing that the Kree would not stop in their efforts finishes the training and transfers all his powers to Danvers to prepare her for what is surely to come. Enter Ronan the Accuser.

Hehe, it looks like we're both double-dipping in this thread and the other Ms. Marvel thread in the Marvel Films forum. I'm totally on board with this idea, and the guy who responded to you in the other thread regarding Carol Danvers being a top agent of SWORD, with Mar-Vell working there undercover.

[cherokeesam]

reading through the thread, it sounds like a lot of you don't care for Captain Marvel much at all.
His early adventures were some pretty sweet galactic superhero stuff- and his ties to Rick Jones could possibly introduce him to the movie verse as well.

And though Genis-Vell's solo run by Peter David only lasted about 60 issues, it's very good. I found it far better than a large amount of the other stuff Marvel was releasing at the time.

I found the Ultimate incarnation pretty sweet too. I wouldn't mind seeing something like that on film. I liked how they made his human form a disguise altogether- he kind of resembled more of a prawn from District 9 otherwise.

If/when Mar-Vell ever shows up in the MCU, I strongly doubt they'll introduce the Rick Jones facet of the character. Marvel Studios never wanted Rick Jones for their Hulk mythology, and I don't see any reason for them to change their minds about him when Mar-Vell is on the drawing board.

There's just no place for a Rick Jones in 21st Century MCU. Sorry, Teen Brigade. :csad:

[marcvader]

Hehe, it looks like we're both double-dipping in this thread and the other Ms. Marvel thread in the Marvel Films forum. I'm totally on board with this idea, and the guy who responded to you in the other thread regarding Carol Danvers being a top agent of SWORD, with Mar-Vell working there undercover.

Oh yeah, I'm actually a fan of Captain Marvel so anything in relation to him I'm interested in.

[storyteller]

Look whatever they do Ms Marvel has a certain set of features that can't be um A and B grade.

[Blue Hero]

Ms. Marvel as she was in A:EMH.

One of my favorite Marvel heroes of all time.

Needs a movie. Now.

[DrCosmic]

EMH got a lot right, it'd have been even better if they had time to space her out a bit.

[ThatDamnNinja]

Ms. Marvel needs to happen. The world needs a really good, female-driven superhero movie. Though it'll be for sure be called Captain Marvel, because a.) They want to align their film and comic properties, and she's Captain Marvel now, b.) Captain Marvel is an easier sell to male audiences than Ms. Marvel, and c.) No way Marvel misses the opportunity to put DC in a crappy position with their own Captain Marvel.

And to me, the obvious director/actor pairing for this is Kathryn Bigelow and Jessica Chastain. Carol Danvers is a military pilot and, in the Kelly Sue DeConnick reboot, is depicted as a perfectionist and a self-destructive adrenaline junkies. Marvel will definitely want to go after a female director, and military movies and self-destructive adrenaline junkie protagonists are Kathryn Bigelow's bread and butter. It's, to me, as natural and obvious a pairing of director and material as Captain America with Joe Johnston.

Plus, Jessica Chastain is a physically attractive woman at the right age who has shown enormous range and talent as an actor, she's hot right now, but not a huge star yet, she was already cast in Iron Man 3 before dropping out for scheduling reasons, but said she still wants to be in a Marvel movie, and she's starring in the upcoming Zero Dark Thirty directed by, hey, you guessed it, Kathryn Bigelow.

And boom goes the dynamite.

I know it's not happening, but I'd just like to say that, having now seen the trailer for Zero Dark Thirty, I feel even better about these picks than I did before.

[M-2]

I know it's not happening, but I'd just like to say that, having now seen the trailer for Zero Dark Thirty, I feel even better about these picks than I did before.

Dude we like totally on the same page!!

I posted this image in a different thread a while ago, thought you would like it
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7i54T5IG1rm9znxo1_500.jpg

Jessica Chastain as Ms Marvel, it was something i did real quick after i saw this clip from Zero Dark Thirty and realised she is Carol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-x7FWOh6Ws&sns=em

I think Bigelow directing would be perfect as well. and I think she would enjoy it as well, it would something really different from what she has been doing lately.

[Smashlilman]

Dude we like totally on the same page!!

I posted this image in a different thread a while ago, thought you would like it
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7i54T5IG1rm9znxo1_500.jpg

Jessica Chastain as Ms Marvel, it was something i did real quick after i saw this clip from Zero Dark Thirty and realised she is Carol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-x7FWOh6Ws&sns=em

I think Bigelow directing would be perfect as well. and I think she would enjoy it as well, it would something really different from what she has been doing lately.
Fixed the video for ya
X-x7FWOh6Ws
Edit - and it doesn't mater because the used removed the video lol

[M-2]

Fixed the video for ya
X-x7FWOh6Ws
Edit - and it doesn't mater because the used removed the video lol

LoL i thought you joking.. until i clicked the link.. these sons of B****** Thanks anyways... I Loved that scene.. until the Film actually releases i guess!

[ericadawn16]

I thought about Jessica Chastain for Carol back when I saw The Debt in 2011. She's awesome at both drama and kicking butt. When she was first cast in Iron Man 3, I was hoping for Carol but now that she was replaced by Rebecca Hall and we know that Hall isn't playing Carol...

Marvel, please cast Jessica Chastain for Carol!

[DrCosmic]

I like Chastain. She's new, and short, but she still works, imho. Good call.

[Golgo-13]

Dominique McElligott as Ms.Marvel.

[storyteller]

How time passes. I would fully support Captain Marvel as the Danvers version. I think calling her Ms. Marvel just demeans her and makes her sound like the female sidekick who needs her man.

[Artistsean]

Briefly Captain Marvel:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61378/2430081-captain_marvel_movie_designs_1_by_artistneedham-d550uua_super.jpg (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61378/2430081-captain_marvel_movie_designs_1_by_artistneedham-d550uua.jpg)
The costume merges alll the Mar-Vell costumes, the classic centurian looking one, the next 70s one, the Ms. Marvel one, the Ultime version (which the cartoon also used) etc.

SHIELD, because of Thor, Loki, and the Hulk, and the alien invasion from Avengers, creates SWORD. SHIELD's agency that monitors for aliens and prepares for defense against them. Director of SWORD if Agent Brand.
The movie would start with Carol Danvers (http://www.comicvine.com/ms-marvel/29-21561/) already Captain Marvel, already in the middle of a large scale battle with a giant Kree Sentry (http://www.comicvine.com/kree-sentry/65-59067/). How did she get to this point? Battling a giant automaton to save the city? The movie goes all the way back to the beginning of the story, all through her side of the story. Carol is an America pilot, maybe even a SHIELD (http://www.comicvine.com/shield/65-3775/) agent. Maybe even a SHIELD agent on a SWORD (http://www.comicvine.com/sword/65-41666/) mission to track alien life (what with the appearance of Thor (http://www.comicvine.com/thor/223-949/) and Loki (http://www.comicvine.com/loki/29-4324/) and the Chitauri (http://www.comicvine.com/chitauri/65-57559/) on Earth suddenly).
She somehow, as part of her mission/investigation, stumbles Kree soldiers (http://www.comicvine.com/kree-empire/65-7588/) (small army) chasing down a "traitor" Kree soldier named Captain Mar-Vell (http://www.comicvine.com/captain-marvel/29-1472/). She helps him and the two become a team against the Kree soldiers, led by Yon-Rogg (http://www.comicvine.com/yon-rogg/29-6094/). They battle the Kree and run
from them. Throught he coarse of the movie Carol learns who the Kree are, and why they are after Mar-Vell.
He is marked as a traitor because he fathered a child (http://www.comicvine.com/hulkling/29-2259/) , Teddy (http://www.comicvine.com/hulkling/29-2259/), with the Skrull (http://www.comicvine.com/skrulls/65-40668/) princess Anelle (http://www.comicvine.com/anelle/29-29217/). Its briefly mentioned that the Skrulls are a planet of rival aliens, bitter enemies of the Kree. Carol proves she is no average human as she not only holds her own against some Kree soldiers, but also saves Mar-Vell at least once. The two of them together defeat the Kree soldiers but not before they unleash the Kree Sentry on Carol and Mar-Vell. Mar-Vell gets in some good hits but gets killed, his last act is to give Carol his powers/technology. She puts on his armor, like he told her to, and it conforms to her body and alters her genetically. She then goes back into battle to stop the Sentry. And this is where the movie started. Against impossible odds Carol is able to defeat the Sentry robot, perhaps its the combination of her human DNA and the Kree DNA the suit genetically added to her's. Sadly though Mar-Vell has died, perhaps she can discover that he had sent his DNA and a copy of his mind into the Kree technology (like into the Nega bands (http://www.comicvine.com/nega-bands/18-42360/)) or something... I don't know.
Captain Marvel movie credits scene: Carol returns to report everything to SHIELD and is approached by Fury or one of the Avengers to ask her to join their team.

I think her in the movies would be great. She is a strong female character that wouldn't necissarily be a She-version of another male character like She-Hulk or Supergirl. While there would be a male Captain Marvel, she becomes Captain Marvel in the same movie and is the main heroe at the end of her own movie. She could be like Marvel's Wonder Woman and be a great role model for young female fans, and help movie comics away from some of the ideas about comics and women.

[xeno000]

Wouldn't a story revolving around Captain Marvel and the coming of the Kree be a pretty important and famous story? You could have Ronan the Accuser, Sentry-459...

And it could lead into a Kree-Skrull War movie for an Avengers sequel! Just a thought. I actually didn't read those books.

That would make a great Avengers story, but only if it features the original Captain Mar-Vell, IMO. I find the Kree/Skrull angle and its cosmic implications far more interesting than the earthbound life of Carol Danvers. The Kree are relatively near the Earth, in a cosmic sense; their empire is in the Greater Magellenic Cloud, whereas the Skrulls are in the Andromeda Gallaxy. With the Inhumans located on Earth, it would be relatively easy to lay out the basis of the Kree-Skreull War, which could draw in the Avengers, the Guardians and lack Bolt's clan.

[InternetPeople]

Briefly Captain Marvel:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61378/2430081-captain_marvel_movie_designs_1_by_artistneedham-d550uua_super.jpg (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61378/2430081-captain_marvel_movie_designs_1_by_artistneedham-d550uua.jpg)
The costume merges alll the Mar-Vell costumes, the classic centurian looking one, the next 70s one, the Ms. Marvel one, the Ultime version (which the cartoon also used) etc.

SHIELD, because of Thor, Loki, and the Hulk, and the alien invasion from Avengers, creates SWORD. SHIELD's agency that monitors for aliens and prepares for defense against them. Director of SWORD if Agent Brand.
The movie would start with Carol Danvers (http://www.comicvine.com/ms-marvel/29-21561/) already Captain Marvel, already in the middle of a large scale battle with a giant Kree Sentry (http://www.comicvine.com/kree-sentry/65-59067/). How did she get to this point? Battling a giant automaton to save the city? The movie goes all the way back to the beginning of the story, all through her side of the story. Carol is an America pilot, maybe even a SHIELD (http://www.comicvine.com/shield/65-3775/) agent. Maybe even a SHIELD agent on a SWORD (http://www.comicvine.com/sword/65-41666/) mission to track alien life (what with the appearance of Thor (http://www.comicvine.com/thor/223-949/) and Loki (http://www.comicvine.com/loki/29-4324/) and the Chitauri (http://www.comicvine.com/chitauri/65-57559/) on Earth suddenly).
She somehow, as part of her mission/investigation, stumbles Kree soldiers (http://www.comicvine.com/kree-empire/65-7588/) (small army) chasing down a "traitor" Kree soldier named Captain Mar-Vell (http://www.comicvine.com/captain-marvel/29-1472/). She helps him and the two become a team against the Kree soldiers, led by Yon-Rogg (http://www.comicvine.com/yon-rogg/29-6094/). They battle the Kree and run
from them. Throught he coarse of the movie Carol learns who the Kree are, and why they are after Mar-Vell.
He is marked as a traitor because he fathered a child (http://www.comicvine.com/hulkling/29-2259/) , Teddy (http://www.comicvine.com/hulkling/29-2259/), with the Skrull (http://www.comicvine.com/skrulls/65-40668/) princess Anelle (http://www.comicvine.com/anelle/29-29217/). Its briefly mentioned that the Skrulls are a planet of rival aliens, bitter enemies of the Kree. Carol proves she is no average human as she not only holds her own against some Kree soldiers, but also saves Mar-Vell at least once. The two of them together defeat the Kree soldiers but not before they unleash the Kree Sentry on Carol and Mar-Vell. Mar-Vell gets in some good hits but gets killed, his last act is to give Carol his powers/technology. She puts on his armor, like he told her to, and it conforms to her body and alters her genetically. She then goes back into battle to stop the Sentry. And this is where the movie started. Against impossible odds Carol is able to defeat the Sentry robot, perhaps its the combination of her human DNA and the Kree DNA the suit genetically added to her's. Sadly though Mar-Vell has died, perhaps she can discover that he had sent his DNA and a copy of his mind into the Kree technology (like into the Nega bands (http://www.comicvine.com/nega-bands/18-42360/)) or something... I don't know.
Captain Marvel movie credits scene: Carol returns to report everything to SHIELD and is approached by Fury or one of the Avengers to ask her to join their team.

I think her in the movies would be great. She is a strong female character that wouldn't necissarily be a She-version of another male character like She-Hulk or Supergirl. While there would be a male Captain Marvel, she becomes Captain Marvel in the same movie and is the main heroe at the end of her own movie. She could be like Marvel's Wonder Woman and be a great role model for young female fans, and help movie comics away from some of the ideas about comics and women.

I can dig it

[DrCosmic]

I'm a big fan of Artistsean, but I want to give my take on it:

Main Cast:
Carol Danvers - Charlize Therone
Phillip Lawson/Generis Mar-Vell - Armie Hammer
Kree Colonel Yon-Rogg - Brian Cox
Kree Sentries 451-459 - Dee Bradley Baker (voice)
Robert Hunter/Nitro - Justin Theoroux
Michael "Ace" Rossi - anyone, really

Gist:
Captain Marvel is the story of two heroes, one Kree, the other human, and how their lives come together and are irrevocably changed. There is love, but it is not a love story. It is the death of one hero, and the birth of another.

Story points:


Mar-Vell, a mysterious alien in the Captain Marvel uniform is sent to Earth to Investigate
Opening Credits
Danvers, Air Force intelligence transfers to SHIELD
Danvers reconnects with Air Force buddy Michael Ace Rossi
Danvers is assigned to monitor SHIELD scientist Phillip Lawson, under cover as his pilot
Danvers and Lawson meet, connect easily, but are clearly sizing each other up and feeling each other out.
Danvers and Lawson are given a lead to the place of a self destructed Kree outpost, and the remains of a DNA-altering PsycheMagnetron, and its victims 'nitros,' people who are set to explode as living bombs. Carol saves Lawson from the nitros using her military skills. Lawson saves Carol from the Sentry posted there with subtle use of his powers.
Carol discovers Lawson is communicating with someone (Yon-Rogg) false information, reports it, is then confirmed as trustworthy and told to investigate further
Danvers gets closer on purpose, they develop a romantic bond of some sort.
Kree Sentry is unleashed due to Mar-Vell's slowness, Mar-Vell betrays Kree to save Carol from Sentry 451.
Captain Marvel is shown to have super strength, duability, flight, energy absorption and energy control from negabands on his wrists. He is shown to be remarkably more powerful than any Avenger.
Carol tries to interrogate Mar-Vell, gets his full name, which transliterates to Captain Marvel
Carol connects the dots and realizes Lawson is Mar-Vell. He's not a traitor... he's a spy!
Kree invasion begins, Carol gets in a jet and battles alongside Mar-Vell in the air. She's really good, and they make a good team.
Mar-Vell tires himself, and Carol seems to be able to fend off the last Sentry long enough for SHIELD's backup to arrive.
SHIELD is hostile towards the Kree whom is revealed to have been a spy the entire time, who has reported all of the Earth's defenses to the Kree, allowing them to circumvent everything
Danvers tries to defend Mar-Vell, but he is clearly the source of their problems, and the Kree's number one demand. SHIELD hands him over to facilitate a cease fire.
Danvers defies orders, flies into the Kree mothership in a rescue attempt, gets to Mar-Vell and convinces him not to give up
Mar-Vell revives, trounces everyone but Yon Rogg, who sends the last Nitro, Robert Hunter, to a nuclear facility as a retaliation.
Yon Rogg escapes, and leaves Mar-Vell and Carol to battle the ultimate Sentry - 459.
Mar-Vell battles SEntry 459, and Carol manages to save Mar-Vell yet again, only to end up in the Sentry's grip. Mar-Vell sets the self destruct on the DNA-altering Psyche Magnetron, and when the Sentry is distracted, Mar-Vell defeats him with the explosion, shielding Carol, though Mar-Vell is mortally wounded.
Mar-Vell with his dying words gives Carol the Negabands, her physiology changed to be like his now. Mar-Vell dies.
Carol mourns a moment, takes a tattered red strip of his uniform and ties it around her waist.
Carol leaps out of the ship, flies, absorbs the energy from the last Nitro and uses that energy to confront and defeat Yon Rogg thoroughly.
Carol returns to SHIELD to help with clean up. Is fired from SHIELD, Fury orchestrates that Iron Man contacts her about the Avengers.

The core appeal:
Carol is the type of strong female hero that people like to see, flanking the typical male heroes (Terminator, Aliens, Black Widow), but the twist is... the original hero is captured, and later dies, you realize that she is the main hero, and has been all along, and what you thought was the main hero is really just her Obi-Wan. What you thought was a love story is really a tragedy (people like that slop too), which is much more about how it affects the female survivor, and not at all about happily ever after... that was never really an option.

[VictusMortuus]

I really, really dig this!

[Dark Raven]

I'm a big fan of Artistsean, but I want to give my take on it:

Main Cast:
Carol Danvers - Charlize Therone
Phillip Lawson/Generis Mar-Vell - Armie Hammer
Kree Colonel Yon-Rogg - Brian Cox
Kree Sentries 451-459 - Dee Bradley Baker (voice)
Robert Hunter/Nitro - Justin Theoroux
Michael "Ace" Rossi - anyone, really

Gist:
Captain Marvel is the story of two heroes, one Kree, the other human, and how their lives come together and are irrevocably changed. There is love, but it is not a love story. It is the death of one hero, and the birth of another.

Story points:


Mar-Vell, a mysterious alien in the Captain Marvel uniform is sent to Earth to Investigate
Opening Credits
Danvers, Air Force intelligence transfers to SHIELD
Danvers reconnects with Air Force buddy Michael Ace Rossi
Danvers is assigned to monitor SHIELD scientist Phillip Lawson, under cover as his pilot
Danvers and Lawson meet, connect easily, but are clearly sizing each other up and feeling each other out.
Danvers and Lawson are given a lead to the place of a self destructed Kree outpost, and the remains of a DNA-altering PsycheMagnetron, and its victims 'nitros,' people who are set to explode as living bombs. Carol saves Lawson from the nitros using her military skills. Lawson saves Carol from the Sentry posted there with subtle use of his powers.
Carol discovers Lawson is communicating with someone (Yon-Rogg) false information, reports it, is then confirmed as trustworthy and told to investigate further
Danvers gets closer on purpose, they develop a romantic bond of some sort.
Kree Sentry is unleashed due to Mar-Vell's slowness, Mar-Vell betrays Kree to save Carol from Sentry 451.
Captain Marvel is shown to have super strength, duability, flight, energy absorption and energy control from negabands on his wrists. He is shown to be remarkably more powerful than any Avenger.
Carol tries to interrogate Mar-Vell, gets his full name, which transliterates to Captain Marvel
Carol connects the dots and realizes Lawson is Mar-Vell. He's not a traitor... he's a spy!
Kree invasion begins, Carol gets in a jet and battles alongside Mar-Vell in the air. She's really good, and they make a good team.
Mar-Vell tires himself, and Carol seems to be able to fend off the last Sentry long enough for SHIELD's backup to arrive.
SHIELD is hostile towards the Kree whom is revealed to have been a spy the entire time, who has reported all of the Earth's defenses to the Kree, allowing them to circumvent everything
Danvers tries to defend Mar-Vell, but he is clearly the source of their problems, and the Kree's number one demand. SHIELD hands him over to facilitate a cease fire.
Danvers defies orders, flies into the Kree mothership in a rescue attempt, gets to Mar-Vell and convinces him not to give up
Mar-Vell revives, trounces everyone but Yon Rogg, who sends the last Nitro, Robert Hunter, to a nuclear facility as a retaliation.
Yon Rogg escapes, and leaves Mar-Vell and Carol to battle the ultimate Sentry - 459.
Mar-Vell battles SEntry 459, and Carol manages to save Mar-Vell yet again, only to end up in the Sentry's grip. Mar-Vell sets the self destruct on the DNA-altering Psyche Magnetron, and when the Sentry is distracted, Mar-Vell defeats him with the explosion, shielding Carol, though Mar-Vell is mortally wounded.
Mar-Vell with his dying words gives Carol the Negabands, her physiology changed to be like his now. Mar-Vell dies.
Carol mourns a moment, takes a tattered red strip of his uniform and ties it around her waist.
Carol leaps out of the ship, flies, absorbs the energy from the last Nitro and uses that energy to confront and defeat Yon Rogg thoroughly.
Carol returns to SHIELD to help with clean up. Is fired from SHIELD, Fury orchestrates that Iron Man contacts her about the Avengers.
The core appeal:
Carol is the type of strong female hero that people like to see, flanking the typical male heroes (Terminator, Aliens, Black Widow), but the twist is... the original hero is captured, and later dies, you realize that she is the main hero, and has been all along, and what you thought was the main hero is really just her Obi-Wan. What you thought was a love story is really a tragedy (people like that slop too), which is much more about how it affects the female survivor, and not at all about happily ever after... that was never really an option.

I like most of that, but wouldn't want the Artisean designs as they still look like 90s costumes however it's spun. Also, although Charlize Theron would be good, I think she's too old for Armie Hammer. Not only that, but she's a more dominant personality so she seems more like she'd be playing a villainess now to someone like Hammer, especially after movies like Mirror Mirror and Snow White and the Huntsman, where although Hammer and Theron weren't in the same movie, he was playing the prince whereas she was playing the wicked stepmother queen.

I prefer Yvonne Strahovski for Carol anyway and think she would be a better fit with Hammer, who would be great for Capt Marvel.

[Spider-Vader]

These ideas are awesome. I really hope Marvel takes a chance and give Carol her own movie, opposed to setting her up elsewhere.

[cherokeesam]

I'm a big fan of Artistsean, but I want to give my take on it:

Main Cast:
Carol Danvers - Charlize Therone
Phillip Lawson/Generis Mar-Vell - Armie Hammer
Kree Colonel Yon-Rogg - Brian Cox
Kree Sentries 451-459 - Dee Bradley Baker (voice)
Robert Hunter/Nitro - Justin Theoroux
Michael "Ace" Rossi - anyone, really

Gist:
Captain Marvel is the story of two heroes, one Kree, the other human, and how their lives come together and are irrevocably changed. There is love, but it is not a love story. It is the death of one hero, and the birth of another.

Story points:


Mar-Vell, a mysterious alien in the Captain Marvel uniform is sent to Earth to Investigate
Opening Credits
Danvers, Air Force intelligence transfers to SHIELD
Danvers reconnects with Air Force buddy Michael Ace Rossi
Danvers is assigned to monitor SHIELD scientist Phillip Lawson, under cover as his pilot
Danvers and Lawson meet, connect easily, but are clearly sizing each other up and feeling each other out.
Danvers and Lawson are given a lead to the place of a self destructed Kree outpost, and the remains of a DNA-altering PsycheMagnetron, and its victims 'nitros,' people who are set to explode as living bombs. Carol saves Lawson from the nitros using her military skills. Lawson saves Carol from the Sentry posted there with subtle use of his powers.
Carol discovers Lawson is communicating with someone (Yon-Rogg) false information, reports it, is then confirmed as trustworthy and told to investigate further
Danvers gets closer on purpose, they develop a romantic bond of some sort.
Kree Sentry is unleashed due to Mar-Vell's slowness, Mar-Vell betrays Kree to save Carol from Sentry 451.
Captain Marvel is shown to have super strength, duability, flight, energy absorption and energy control from negabands on his wrists. He is shown to be remarkably more powerful than any Avenger.
Carol tries to interrogate Mar-Vell, gets his full name, which transliterates to Captain Marvel
Carol connects the dots and realizes Lawson is Mar-Vell. He's not a traitor... he's a spy!
Kree invasion begins, Carol gets in a jet and battles alongside Mar-Vell in the air. She's really good, and they make a good team.
Mar-Vell tires himself, and Carol seems to be able to fend off the last Sentry long enough for SHIELD's backup to arrive.
SHIELD is hostile towards the Kree whom is revealed to have been a spy the entire time, who has reported all of the Earth's defenses to the Kree, allowing them to circumvent everything
Danvers tries to defend Mar-Vell, but he is clearly the source of their problems, and the Kree's number one demand. SHIELD hands him over to facilitate a cease fire.
Danvers defies orders, flies into the Kree mothership in a rescue attempt, gets to Mar-Vell and convinces him not to give up
Mar-Vell revives, trounces everyone but Yon Rogg, who sends the last Nitro, Robert Hunter, to a nuclear facility as a retaliation.
Yon Rogg escapes, and leaves Mar-Vell and Carol to battle the ultimate Sentry - 459.
Mar-Vell battles SEntry 459, and Carol manages to save Mar-Vell yet again, only to end up in the Sentry's grip. Mar-Vell sets the self destruct on the DNA-altering Psyche Magnetron, and when the Sentry is distracted, Mar-Vell defeats him with the explosion, shielding Carol, though Mar-Vell is mortally wounded.
Mar-Vell with his dying words gives Carol the Negabands, her physiology changed to be like his now. Mar-Vell dies.
Carol mourns a moment, takes a tattered red strip of his uniform and ties it around her waist.
Carol leaps out of the ship, flies, absorbs the energy from the last Nitro and uses that energy to confront and defeat Yon Rogg thoroughly.
Carol returns to SHIELD to help with clean up. Is fired from SHIELD, Fury orchestrates that Iron Man contacts her about the Avengers.
The core appeal:
Carol is the type of strong female hero that people like to see, flanking the typical male heroes (Terminator, Aliens, Black Widow), but the twist is... the original hero is captured, and later dies, you realize that she is the main hero, and has been all along, and what you thought was the main hero is really just her Obi-Wan. What you thought was a love story is really a tragedy (people like that slop too), which is much more about how it affects the female survivor, and not at all about happily ever after... that was never really an option.

It's not a bad story at all. A little repetitive in parts (audiences will get bored if you keep throwing "new 'n' improved, bigger 'n' better!" Sentries at them). I'd also make Carol's transformation to Ms./Capt. Marvel a larger part of the story --- i.e., the third reel, instead of just the denouement. In large part, she would be the superhero(ine) a good portion of the audience came to see in the first place, so they'll be expecting to see her strut her stuff for at least 30 minutes or so, instead of just doing a "next time, baby!"

Speaking of the Rhodey reference there: why not include him in a cameo? Rather than Michael "Ace" Rossi (you never explained who he was or why he was even needed in the story), have Rhodey be her ex-AF bud and point of contact.

And you could accurately title the movie just "Captain Marvel," with a dual meaning and role, since both Mar-Vell and Carol will have that title in the film.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I would love to see Ms Marvel in a Avengers Sequel... :hrt:

[KDM1986]

I think the following characters will get solos before they ever consider mrs marvel. Although I do think she will appear in an avengers sequel eventually.

1.Black Panther
2.Dr. Strange
3.Namor
4.The Inhumans
5.Hulk

[Lord]

Captain Marvel should really get his solo film while Thanos is still around, one film is enough, it even allows for a future ms. Marvel film.

[Silvermoth]

I'm starting to warm up to the idea but as I've always said she needs to have a better supporting cast. That said there's some cool villains you can work with.

1. Super Skrull or equivalent
2. The Brood
3. Moonstone and Sword (as an opponent) maybe?

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think the following characters will get solos before they ever consider mrs marvel. Although I do think she will appear in an avengers sequel eventually.


1.Black Panther
2.Dr. Strange
3.I'd put Ms Marvel here.
4.Namor
5.The Inhumans
6.Hulk