Star Wars - Part 9

[Karelia]

I am admittedly just now getting into Clone Wars. Wasn't there a rumor that Darth Maul might return with spider legs or something? Or am I going crazy?

I'm pretty sure he has those as legs while living at the bottom of the core. Then Savage (or someone) gets him better robotic legs like you see in the visionaries graphic novel.

This is from Visionaries.
http://aecomics.com/images/2011/dark-horse-visionaries-darth-maul.jpg

[Marx]

Ahh. Thanks Karelia!

[Hunter Rider]

I'd like to add that the midichlorians are not "The Force". They are merely a way to quantify it.

Like Qui-Gon says, midichlorians are in every cell in every being. Whether you are a Jedi or not, you have them.

Now it's true that the higher the concentration in your bloodstream, the easier for you to become a powerful Jedi, but why wouldn't you be able to use the Force on some level no matter what your midichlorian count is?

When I was a kid and TPM hadn't come out, I thought everybody could be a Jedi provided they could go through the intensive training. Now, well, I just think everybody could be a Jedi provided they can go through the intensive training...

The more midichlorians you have, the less training it takes, that is all.

I think if your Midichlorians are not up to a certain level there is no point in even beginning to train, the idea is some have a high count and are force sensitive, thus they have the potential to be trained as Jedi, but even then may not make it.

Indeed, i like that about Star Wars. And you make me proud by quoting Obi-Wan that much :woot:

See you only think of me as the bounty hunter guy, but Obi Wan and Yoda are my favourite Jedi. :D

I still say it was wrong to go on a killing spree lol.

From a certain point of view! :jedi

The blond kid always caught my attention lol. I just thought they could have used any kid but ended up using one that looked like little Ani.

Totally! That ROTS duel between Anakin and Dooku mirrors the ROTJ Luke vs Vader one perfectly imo. I know Anakin had to turn and become Vader (duh!), but i wonder what would have happened had he not killed Dooku then and just taken him in instead.

The kid i always remember from that part of the movie is the one that kills the two 501st Clones so Bail can escape.

Well you'd think Dooku would have outed Palps for starters, Dooku's face when he tells Anakin to kill him is priceless.

Poor Dooku :hehe:. To be fair though, when you're over 500 years, 82 is quite young. Yoda is like the parent who will always see his children and little lol.

I guess one thing for Dooku was that it wasn't often at that point in his life he was not the oldest guy in the room! :D

Make sure to go to the original link though, there's a kickass trailer there :D

That trailer is amazing! :wow: The final scene of Obi Wan and Maul coming face to face gave geek chills. :D

Mind you, Vader did some pretty evil stuff outside of that. He stood idly by and was an accomplice in blowing up Alderaan. How many younglings died there? Vader basically oversaw the whole of the Imperial military and is responsible (at least on some level) for any of the atrocities they committed. The murdering of a few young Jedi was the least of his sins.

Alderaan was full of commies! :argh:

I want to see this guy next season.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/0/04/DurgeFinal.jpg

I really would love to see him but I don't think it's going to happen.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm pretty sure he has those as legs while living at the bottom of the core. Then Savage (or someone) gets him better robotic legs like you see in the visionaries graphic novel.

This is from Visionaries.
http://aecomics.com/images/2011/dark-horse-visionaries-darth-maul.jpg

I imagine it's using the same tech that made Grievous and eventually Vader, fusing the living with cyborg parts.

[Hunter Rider]

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[Karelia]

I imagine it's using the same tech that made Grievous and eventually Vader, fusing the living with cyborg parts.

That makes sense. :woot:

Your welcome, Marx.

I did notice around the 30-40 mark you hear Savage say "Is that you brother?" and you see some legs walk around, it looks more like spider legs. So I'm guessing that's Maul before he gets the better robot legs.

[danoyse]

I am admittedly just now getting into Clone Wars. Wasn't there a rumor that Darth Maul might return with spider legs or something? Or am I going crazy?

I got season 1 of the Clone Wars on blu-ray a few months ago. I started watching it, I really liked it...

...but then I got seasons 2 and 3 of The Muppet Show on DVD for Christmas and took a break from Clone Wars.

So now I'm going to have to start Clone Wars all over again, because I can't remember where the hell I left off on those.

And I'll have to do it soon, because I just pre-ordered season 1 of Game of Thrones on blu-ray and that will be here soon. Plus I'm planning another Mad Men marathon before the new season starts next month.

Yes, I'll be handing in my Star Wars fangirl membership card. :oldrazz:

[Obi-Ron]

Ohhh my. OHHH MY :awesome:

I'm ready.

Robot legs! :awesome:

Hopefully Feathers McGraw will show up and use Maul in a diamond heist.

[Marx]

Your welcome, Marx.

I did notice around the 30-40 mark you hear Savage say "Is that you brother?" and you see some legs walk around, it looks more like spider legs. So I'm guessing that's Maul before he gets the better robot legs.

:bow:
I got season 1 of the Clone Wars on blu-ray a few months ago. I started watching it, I really liked it...

...but then I got seasons 2 and 3 of The Muppet Show on DVD for Christmas and took a break from Clone Wars.

So now I'm going to have to start Clone Wars all over again, because I can't remember where the hell I left off on those.

And I'll have to do it soon, because I just pre-ordered season 1 of Game of Thrones on blu-ray and that will be here soon. Plus I'm planning another Mad Men marathon before the new season starts next month.

Yes, I'll be handing in my Star Wars fangirl membership card. :oldrazz:

That's a lot of shows to keep up with! :oldrazz:

[EliteF50]

isnt it funny?

i watched ep3 last week. Order 66 is fantastic. from editing,composition,score. it almost perfect.Anaking killing the young jedi shocked me. but the reason behind it? muhahahahha ohhhh George :wow:

''from my point of view the jedi are evil''
''then you are lost''

i think the Beard was lost hiihihih :lmao:

Definitely. I especially loved when it got to Yoda.

[AnneFan]

See you only think of me as the bounty hunter guy, but Obi Wan and Yoda are my favourite Jedi.

Ah I see. Let's see where people stand. Who here is a Jedi or Sith supporter? I'm on the Sith side myself. I like these darker, complex characters. I also like strategy and treachery. :woot:

[bullets]

I think the dark side is more powerful but it eventually consumes you. I'd like to tamper with the dark side but not succumb to it and start killing innocent people.

[cloverfan98]

I'm glad someone else loves Dooku/Lee as much as I do. there's so much one could do with the character.

A former Jedi and padawan of Yoda, great lightsaberist, leaves the Jedi order (only one of 20 to do so) to go to the Sith Lord responsible for the death of his most beloved pupil. Then funds the CIS' army with his money and leads a political revolt against the Republic!

Dooku is such an important character in the prequels I was so upset when he was killed in the first 20 minutes in ROTS. So much more could have gone on and Clone Wars doesn't seem to get to the heart of the character for me


Do yourself a favor and read the ROTS novel by Matthew Stover. The duel with Dooku has a fantastic prologe from Dooku's point of view explaining his hopes and plans for his and Palpatine's empire. YEah both Dooku and Lee are awesome!

[CGHulk]

'Star Wars: Phantom Menace' Crosses $1 Billion Mark at Box Office

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/star-wars-episode-i-phantom-menace-box-office-294680

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

[OptimusPrime114]

Yes!

[The Caped Knight]

'Star Wars: Phantom Menace' Crosses $1 Billion Mark at Box Office

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/star-wars-episode-i-phantom-menace-box-office-294680

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Like their was every any doubt :whatever:

[dark_b]

how many times was Phantom menace re-realesed?

[OptimusPrime114]

how many times was Phantom menace re-released?

Theatrically? Once.

[Bim]

I am admittedly just now getting into Clone Wars. Wasn't there a rumor that Darth Maul might return with spider legs or something? Or am I going crazy?
Another one falls, haaa! :oldrazz: i think you're going to enjoy it :woot: and yeah, Maul returns March 9.


See you only think of me as the bounty hunter guy, but Obi Wan and Yoda are my favourite Jedi. :D

I admit it, i think you're a Fett-head lol.


The kid i always remember from that part of the movie is the one that kills the two 501st Clones so Bail can escape.
Little trivia for you: that's George's son.


Well you'd think Dooku would have outed Palps for starters, Dooku's face when he tells Anakin to kill him is priceless.

That's explained in the novelization of ROTS actually: Palpatine had told Dooku he would stop the duel before anything happened to him. The plan was (or so he told Dooku) that he would allow himself to get taken in by Anakin, thus making him an even bigger hero. Of course, Palps had other plans. Treachery is the way of the sith :cwink:. I'm telling you, you need to read the novel, just for the duel between Anakin, Obi and Dooku alone! it's really worth it.

The art you're posting is great. I find the one of Obi-Wan and little Anakin and the shadow memory of Qui-Gon particularly touching.

danoyse: that's a lot of shows to catch up on :hehe:. Once you start getting into CW you wont be able to stop. For me, the show has gotten better and better each season. We dont accept SW fangirl membership card returns, so be careful, missy! :cmad: :oldrazz:

AnneFan: i'm a lightsider all the way. Jedi for the win!

Do yourself a favor and read the ROTS novel by Matthew Stover. The duel with Dooku has a fantastic prologe from Dooku's point of view explaining his hopes and plans for his and Palpatine's empire. Yeah both Dooku and Lee are awesome!
I've been nagging Hunter to do the same for a while now lol. It truly is, in my opinion, the best novelization of them all. I LOVE the dynamics of the Dooku-Anakin-Obi duel.

Wow so TPM hits a billion. Nice :up:

[dark_b]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2eb501x.jpg
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22563903&postcount=348

:hehe:

[Doctor Jones]

Hahaha too true!

[The_Raganork]

That's great and too true.

and to think I actually really enjoyed TPM in 3D too!

[Doctor Jones]

It was like seeing it for the first time. The 3D was amazing.

[The_Raganork]

Another note on Dooku in ROTS

I remember hearing Chris Lee talking about Dooku having a line when Anakin is told to kill him, something akin to: "but you said..." and Lee suggested to Lucas Dooku say nothing, that groveling in confusion wouldn't be in his character. That he'd be shocked but he'd put the pieces together fast enough not to have ask.

Still I wish he had survived longer.

It would have been great to see Dooku escape and the CIS start to collapse upon itself under the strain of Dooku and Sidious calling alternate shots against each other. Meanwhile Palptine credits the Republic for it's fall

[OptimusPrime114]

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=ahsoka%20order%2066&order=9&offset=48#/d4qpw7e

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/054/5/3/twenty_days_of_survival_by_kulibrach-d4qpw7e.jpg

[Young Superman]

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=ahsoka%20order%2066&order=9&offset=48#/d4qpw7e

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/054/5/3/twenty_days_of_survival_by_kulibrach-d4qpw7e.jpg

Cool

[Hunter Rider]

Ah I see. Let's see where people stand. Who here is a Jedi or Sith supporter? I'm on the Sith side myself. I like these darker, complex characters. I also like strategy and treachery. :woot:

If I listed my top 10 characters there'd be a mix. :D

I admit it, i think you're a Fett-head lol.

:lmao: I love the bounty hunters for sure, but I love the variety of the SW universe.

Little trivia for you: that's George's son.

Ah, I remember hearing his son had a role as a Youngling in ROTS but I didn't realize it was that one.

That's explained in the novelization of ROTS actually: Palpatine had told Dooku he would stop the duel before anything happened to him. The plan was (or so he told Dooku) that he would allow himself to get taken in by Anakin, thus making him an even bigger hero. Of course, Palps had other plans. Treachery is the way of the sith :cwink:. I'm telling you, you need to read the novel, just for the duel between Anakin, Obi and Dooku alone! it's really worth it.

I'm gonna buy it I swear! lol. :D So in truth Anakin didn't beat Dooku?

The art you're posting is great. I find the one of Obi-Wan and little Anakin and the shadow memory of Qui-Gon particularly touching.


:up: There are some great Star Wars fan artists out there.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/2091/grievoustrainingswi86.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/grievoustrainingswi86.jpg/)

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3977/swfultd03xl.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/swfultd03xl.jpg/)

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[Bim]

dark_b: that's sooo true :lmao:

remember hearing Chris Lee talking about Dooku having a line when Anakin is told to kill him, something akin to: "but you said..." and Lee suggested to Lucas Dooku say nothing, that groveling in confusion wouldn't be in his character. That he'd be shocked but he'd put the pieces together fast enough not to have ask.
Yeah, i agree with Lee, and i'm glad he didnt say the line. His look says it all: "You betrayed me!". Have you read the ROTS novel, Rag? If you're a Dooku fan, you really need to.


Ah, I remember hearing his son had a role as a Youngling in ROTS but I didn't realize it was that one.

Yeah; he was also in AOTC if i remember right. The little kid that gets Jocasta when she's talking to Obi-Wan in the jedi archives, when he's asking about Kamino and she gets pissed when he insinuates the records are incomplete lol


I'm gonna buy it I swear! lol. :D So in truth Anakin didn't beat Dooku?

You better just to be rid of me, cause i wont stop talking about it :p. Well considering Dooku had to let Anakin defeat him, i'd say no, he didnt really beat Dooku, although i do think he could have, with the darkside. He was already having difficulty during the duel due to Anakin and Obi-Wan tricking him. In a nutshell the strategy was: get Kenobi out of the way and mess with Anakin's head in order to make him tap the darkside; then allowing for Anakin to defeat him in order to inflate his ego even further. Dooku was quite appalled he had to let himself get defeated by Anakin too lol.

[roach]

Lucas son is the one who gets gunned down in front of Bail Organa

[Hunter Rider]

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Yeah; he was also in AOTC if i remember right. The little kid that gets Jocasta when she's talking to Obi-Wan in the jedi archives, when he's asking about Kamino and she gets pissed when he insinuates the records are incomplete lol

Lol, I loved how Obi Wan tried to be diplomatic with her as she got more huffy over the archives. Was he meant to be the same Youngling in both films?

You better just to be rid of me, cause i wont stop talking about it :p. Well considering Dooku had to let Anakin defeat him, i'd say no, he didnt really beat Dooku, although i do think he could have, with the darkside. He was already having difficulty during the duel due to Anakin and Obi-Wan tricking him. In a nutshell the strategy was: get Kenobi out of the way and mess with Anakin's head in order to make him tap the darkside; then allowing for Anakin to defeat him in order to inflate his ego even further. Dooku was quite appalled he had to let himself get defeated by Anakin too lol.

Well I followed your lead on the Lightsaber's, I got my Anakin ROTS one today! :D It would have been interesting to see if Anakin or Obi Wan could have beaten him, I honestly expected a Mace vs Dooku duel in ROTS.

[OptimusPrime114]

^You've read Darth Vader and the Last Command?

[Bim]

Lol, I loved how Obi Wan tried to be diplomatic with her as she got more huffy over the archives. Was he meant to be the same Youngling in both films?

That's Obi, so polite lol.

I've no clue if he was meant to be the same jedi or not, let's say yes :cwink:


Well I followed your lead on the Lightsaber's, I got my Anakin ROTS one today! :D It would have been interesting to see if Anakin or Obi Wan could have beaten him, I honestly expected a Mace vs Dooku duel in ROTS.
Woa, you're really on a roll! :wow: Hunter will own us all soon haha. Mace vs Dooku would have been cool.

Tonight the crazy bald one is back! :woot:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425204_251025904982668_104161213002472_572630_2473 74743_n.jpg

[The_Raganork]

Yeah, Dooku vs. Mace I thought was going to happen, I would have sworn by it.

[Hunter Rider]

No Optimus, is the art from the book?

The Hairless Harpy vs Grievous! :D

That's Obi, so polite lol.

I've no clue if he was meant to be the same jedi or not, let's say yes :cwink:


Indeed! He had the nickname the negotiator during the Clone Wars.

I'm good with that. :jedi

Woa, you're really on a roll! :wow: Hunter will own us all soon haha. Mace vs Dooku would have been cool.

Lol, I'm really pleased with my collection, I should have actual pics soon. :)
I'd love to have seen a Mace vs Dooku duel given Dooku's unique style and Mace being regarded as the best Jedi swordsmen, although I really enjoyed Mace vs Palps.

[Hunter Rider]

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[Hunter Rider]

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[dark_b]

John Knoll on post converted 3D movies and Phantom menace 3D. John Knoll works for ILM and is one of the best. he talks about the 3D in SW and why they didnt use big deep 3D
http://www.fxguide.com/fxguidetv/fxguidetv-136-john-knoll-on-stereo/

[Bim]

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7504/loecover.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/loecover.jpg/)

This is the cover of the novel Labyrinth of Evil, by James Lucerno. Another one you should read if you havent :cwink:. Including the back: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070914195732/starwars/images/7/75/Labyrith_of_Evil_art.jpg

I'll check that one out from home dark_b, thanks :)

[FCEEVIPER]

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Damn I can't believe I'm actually pumped for this. :jedi

[Bim]

A little preview of Bounty, next week's episode, dedicated to the Fett fans in particular :cwink::

2mRH2h51hPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mRH2h51hPw

[Tonicky]

A little preview of Bounty, next week's episode, dedicated to the Fett fans in particular :cwink::

2mRH2h51hPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mRH2h51hPw

How did Embo escape from jail so fast?

and I like how Grievous was actually powerful for once in this show.

[Marx]

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:up:

[craigdbfan]

Is there a story in the EU during the period in between ROTS and ANH where Darth Vader barely defeats an opponent?

Or was it pretty much smooth sailings since the massacre at the Jedi temple up until he meets Luke of course?

[bullets]

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Great pics :up:


I finally caught the Darth Maul preview .. it looks epic. I still have some catching up to do with the series.

Another note on Dooku in ROTS

I remember hearing Chris Lee talking about Dooku having a line when Anakin is told to kill him, something akin to: "but you said..." and Lee suggested to Lucas Dooku say nothing, that groveling in confusion wouldn't be in his character. That he'd be shocked but he'd put the pieces together fast enough not to have ask.



That was great casting , if they ever do a prequel to the prequels I'd love that character to make it in there.

[Hunter Rider]

This is the cover of the novel Labyrinth of Evil, by James Lucerno. Another one you should read if you havent :cwink:. Including the back: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070914195732/starwars/images/7/75/Labyrith_of_Evil_art.jpg

That would make a great wallpaper. :D I took a look on Amazon and the plot sounds great so I took your advice and bought it!

A little preview of Bounty, next week's episode, dedicated to the Fett fans in particular :cwink::

2mRH2h51hPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mRH2h51hPw

:hrt: I didn't know we'd be getting Bounty hunter's in this arc, I love Embo having a wolf-type beast, I wonder if he's in the episode beyond that scene, I see they debut Dengar as well and it looks like Boba is donning his first helmet! :wow: I didn't think we'd see that in the shows run.

[Hellion]

Did I hear that preview correct...did he say Dengar!...geekgasm...I don't care if thats his only part of the ep, can't wait

[Hellion]

I still want to know Talzin's and Dooku's past.......

...I caught the last half of the episode...very interesting to say the least...

[roach]

i want to see Maul fight Grievious

[Oberon sexton]

Is there a story in the EU during the period in between ROTS and ANH where Darth Vader barely defeats an opponent?

Or was it pretty much smooth sailings since the massacre at the Jedi temple up until he meets Luke of course?

Try the Dark Horse mini series: "Darth Vader and the lost command."
Vader gets pretty ****ed up in it.

[LostSon88]

I don't know if this is the story Oberon is talking about but I recall one particular comic where Vader, post-ROTS/pre-ANH took on a group of 4-5 Rogue Jedi…it was a trap to lure him.

He got pretty ****ed up but he did end up defeating them.

[Spider-Vader]

There's some Grievous love in this thread? w00t! :D

[Karelia]

I always thought Grievous was cool. Loved the design. His story in the visionaries graphic novel was pretty cool. Their was a picture of him sitting on his throne... It was quite amazing. Can't seem to find it, though.

[Hunter Rider]

Good first part of the arc, Ventress got the better in the one on one with Grievous but he wiped the Nightsisters out! Did he kill Mother Talzin or did she evaporate?

It said in the article Bim posted the other day that Obi Wan gets an unexpected ally when facing Maul and Oppress, at the time I thought Dooku, but I'm now thinking it will be Ventress.

[Hunter Rider]

Preview images for 'Bounty'.

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[OptimusPrime114]

I didn't know Dengar was active during the Clone Wars.

[Tonicky]

Grievous if one of my favorites I just wish he wasn't such a push over sometimes.

[jacobed]

Good episode, surprising brutal, it was great to see Grievous be a bad ass

[Infinity9999x]

A friend just showed me this the other day. This guy actually has some pretty cool ideas about what he would have done with the prequels. And interesting "what if" discussion.

*The video does have some strong language, so if you're interested, look up:
"WHAT IF STAR WARS EPISODE 1 WAS GOOD?" By Belatedmedia on youtube.

[Bim]

That would make a great wallpaper. :D I took a look on Amazon and the plot sounds great so I took your advice and bought it!

Good man :woot:


:hrt: I didn't know we'd be getting Bounty hunter's in this arc, I love Embo having a wolf-type beast, I wonder if he's in the episode beyond that scene, I see they debut Dengar as well and it looks like Boba is donning his first helmet! :wow: I didn't think we'd see that in the shows run.
I didnt know either, it's a pleasant surprise for sure looks like it's going to be a packed finale :awesome:

I liked last night's episode, i must admit i felt bad for Ventress in the end; i'm really looking forward to seeing what's going to happen with her the rest of the season and going into season 5. It hadnt occurred to me she could be the unexpected aid Obi-Wan has, i could see that happening. Good call, Hunter. Let's see if it pans out. I thought Mother Talzin evaporated, not that they killer her. She sure pulled some galactic voodoo con Dooku lol.

Grievous is such a cheater though, he always pulls a fast one when he finds himself down lol.

[venom892]

little alternations like those presented in that video would have gone a long way towards making the film a bit better.

[TheWiseGuy487]

A friend just showed me this the other day. This guy actually has some pretty cool ideas about what he would have done with the prequels. And interesting "what if" discussion.

It's an excellent video which brings up a lot of great points, but I wouldn't post it on this board due to the strong language.

[Infinity9999x]

It's an excellent video which brings up a lot of great points, but I wouldn't post it on this board due to the strong language.

Good point. Edited. But I really do like a lot of his ideas. Having Obi-Wan as the main character and making him a Han-like type would have been very interesting. I had similar ideas, but I applied that attribute to Anakin in my own "what if" ideas.

Having Darth Maul survive Episode 1 is something I wanted for a long time too.

[Llama_Shepherd]

Sorry to be a negative nelly, but in some ways Clone Wars has disappointed me :(.

[Matt]

A friend just showed me this the other day. This guy actually has some pretty cool ideas about what he would have done with the prequels. And interesting "what if" discussion.

*The video does have some strong language, so if you're interested, look up:
"WHAT IF STAR WARS EPISODE 1 WAS GOOD?" By Belatedmedia on youtube.

I don't agree with everything in that review....but a lot of what he says makes a lot of sense.

[Silvermoth]

Ignore this message

[Matt]

Wrong thread. This is Star Wars.

[Infinity9999x]

I don't agree with everything in that review....but a lot of what he says makes a lot of sense.

That's how I felt after watching it. And a large part of me would have liked to see things play out the way he describes them, especially a young rouge-ish Obi-Wan.

[CConn]

I will say, even if the prequels were actually made correctly, Han Solo's roguishness would still be something that it could never quite recapture from the OT.

[Llama_Shepherd]

I disagree, it would just be different. Qui-Gon and Anakin were rogues. Anakin especially given the Anakin/Padmé relationship. Something I felt they tried to do a little in Clones.

[CConn]

You just proved my point.

It failed miserably every time they tried to have another character mimic Han's charm.

You just can't do that kind of humor with Jedi. They're meant to be stoic. The polar opposite of Han Solo.

[craigdbfan]

Try the Dark Horse mini series: "Darth Vader and the lost command."
Vader gets pretty ****ed up in it.

I don't know if this is the story Oberon is talking about but I recall one particular comic where Vader, post-ROTS/pre-ANH took on a group of 4-5 Rogue Jedi…it was a trap to lure him.

He got pretty ****ed up but he did end up defeating them.

Thanks guys.

Sounds pretty cool. I'll check it out. :up:

[Infinity9999x]

You just proved my point.

It failed miserably every time they tried to have another character mimic Han's charm.

You just can't do that kind of humor with Jedi. They're meant to be stoic. The polar opposite of Han Solo.

I don't see why you can't have a young Obi-Wan have that kind of humor. Or (and this was always my personal twist on it), have a young Anakin have that kind of humor. But in this instance, Anakin would be a teen/young adult in Ep.1, except he would be the charming rouge.

However, I agree that Ford's portrayal will never be recaptured. You can have charming rogue's, but nothing quite like Han. But that's fine. It doesn't have to be just like Han. They can have their own charm.

[OptimusPrime114]

I've been wondering: If anyone has seen X-Men: First Class, has anyone noticed similarities in the relationship between Erik and Charles...

http://cinesnark.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/erik-charles.jpg

...and Anakin and Obi-Wan?

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjIxNjMzMzk2N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjA2NzI4NA@@._ V1._SX640_SY426_.jpg

[Matt Mortem]

That is, perhaps, the way their relationship should have been, but they missed that mark a bit in the PT

[CConn]

I don't see why you can't have a young Obi-Wan have that kind of humor. Or (and this was always my personal twist on it), have a young Anakin have that kind of humor. But in this instance, Anakin would be a teen/young adult in Ep.1, except he would be the charming rouge.

However, I agree that Ford's portrayal will never be recaptured. You can have charming rogue's, but nothing quite like Han. But that's fine. It doesn't have to be just like Han. They can have their own charm.You couldn't have that type of humor from Obi-Wan purely because you didnt get that humor from Guiness at all, and I think that sense of continuity is important to the character.

I suppose you could have had that type of humor with Anakin. I mean, unlike all the other Jedi, he most definitely is not supposed to be stoic. But, personally, I still would've preferred a Harvey Dent-type of personality, over some rebel with a cause.

[8wid]

Energizer Bunny® - Darth Vader - 1994 Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxafIhYFOr0)

With Darth Vader before George Lucas made him into a little girl.

[Infinity9999x]

You couldn't have that type of humor from Obi-Wan purely because you didnt get that humor from Guiness at all, and I think that sense of continuity is important to the character.

I suppose you could have had that type of humor with Anakin. I mean, unlike all the other Jedi, he most definitely is not supposed to be stoic. But, personally, I still would've preferred a Harvey Dent-type of personality, over some rebel with a cause.

I think you definitley could have gotten that personality from Obi-Wan. We can't believe that Obi-Wan has changed significantly over the years? In fact, it would have made more sense to show a more rouge-like Obi-Wan, since he refers to it himself in ESB with Yoda.

"Was I any different when you trained me?"

Or something to that effect. Showing a more brash Obi-Wan could have given him an interesting character arc. And it would make sense that he ended up being much more stoic by the time we see him in ANH. You would be too if the man you were supposed to train, and also one of your closest friends, pretty much single-highhandedly destroyed the Jedi order.

But I think it could have worked for Anakin as well. And actually, I see the rogue-ish charm that Han and Harvey had as similar. When I talk about that, I don't mean I'd want Anakin to start off as a Rebel, I mean I'd want him to have that kind of cocky, yet charming, arrogance that characters like Harvey Dent and Han both posses.

[Infinity9999x]

Energizer Bunny® - Darth Vader - 1994 Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxafIhYFOr0)

With Darth Vader before George Lucas made him into a little girl.

Funny thing is, Darth Vader's cry of anger in that commercial was better then the

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

we got in ROTS. :csad:

[CConn]

Like I said, I definitely see how it could work with Anakin.

But Obi-Wan, I'll never agree with as having that personality. Obi-Wan should be what he was in ANH; a wise, experienced Jedi. That's what his personality is. That's how he was characterized in ANH, in TPM, and in pretty much every EU work he's been in as well. That's his personality.

[Infinity9999x]

Like I said, I definitely see how it could work with Anakin.

But Obi-Wan, I'll never agree with as having that personality. Obi-Wan should be what he was in ANH; a wise, experienced Jedi. That's what his personality is. That's how he was characterized in ANH, in TPM, and in pretty much every EU work he's been in as well. That's his personality.

Except it directly conflicts what Obi-Wan says about himself in reference to Luke. So I think it could have fit easily into the storyline. We see him as the mentor in ANH, but he didn't start out as a kid with that kind of outlook.

And again, the guy said it about himself, so unless ghost Obi-Wan was lying, I don't think you can argue that it would have been out of character.

[CConn]

Except it directly conflicts what Obi-Wan says about himself in reference to Luke. So I think it could have fit easily into the storyline. We see him as the mentor in ANH, but he didn't start out as a kid with that kind of outlook.

And again, the guy said it about himself, so unless ghost Obi-Wan was lying, I don't think you can argue that it would have been out of character.
Um...but Obi-Wan was comparing himself to Luke. Not Han.

So...are you arguing he should be like Luke when he's young? Sure, then. I agree. Luke is a good Jedi.

Han, however, is a completely different animal.

[Infinity9999x]

Um...but Obi-Wan was comparing himself to Luke. Not Han.

So...are you arguing he should be like Luke when he's young? Sure, then. I agree. Luke is a good Jedi.

Han, however, is a completely different animal.

I agree. And I guess to clarify, when I say Han-like, I don't mean completely like Han. I'm really only referencing that charming cockiness he had. I don't want Obi-wan to be a guy where you're wondering what side he's on etc.

So more a mix of Han and Luke. Have him be young, impulsive, and cocky. But have him seem like less of angsty the way Luke and Anakin were.

[Matt Mortem]

Energizer Bunny® - Darth Vader - 1994 Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxafIhYFOr0)

With Darth Vader before George Lucas made him into a little girl.

I agree that his angry outburst here would have sounded a thousand times better than what ended up in ROTS and ROTJ

[CConn]

I agree. And I guess to clarify, when I say Han-like, I don't mean completely like Han. I'm really only referencing that charming cockiness he had. I don't want Obi-wan to be a guy where you're wondering what side he's on etc.

So more a mix of Han and Luke. Have him be young, impulsive, and cocky. But have him seem like less of angsty the way Luke and Anakin were.
Okay, but again, there's never been any evidence Obi-Wan was ever, or should ever, be like Han.

[jacobed]

No Obi Wan was done perfectly in the prequels, making him more Han-like is the dumbest suggestion Ive ever heard.

[CConn]

Yeah, actually, Obi-Wan's characterization and Ewing's performance was probably one of the brightest spots of the prequels.

If there's any flaw there, it was the fact he didn't have any other have decent characters or actors to play off of in Episodes II and III.

[Matt Mortem]

Yeah, actually, Obi-Wan's characterization and Ewing's performance was probably one of the brightest spots of the prequels.

If there's any flaw there, it was the fact he didn't have any other have decent characters or actors to play off of in Episodes II and III.

For sure. Obi-Wan was an island in a sea of dud performances

[jacobed]

He's one of the bright spots of the whole series not just the prequels.

[CConn]

He's one of the bright spots of the whole series not just the prequels.
You're probably right.

I've just never realized it considering everything else about Episode II and III were crap. :o

[CConn]

For sure. Obi-Wan was an island in a sea of dud performances
The really sad thing is, all of the people who turned in those dud performances are actually pretty talented and accomplished actors.

Except for Christensen. :o

[Spider-Vader]

I didn't know Dengar was active during the Clone Wars.
It makes sense. Dengar didn't look that young in ESB.

Good point. Edited. But I really do like a lot of his ideas. Having Obi-Wan as the main character and making him a Han-like type would have been very interesting. I had similar ideas, but I applied that attribute to Anakin in my own "what if" ideas.


Anakin's sorta like Han in the show, not exactly but he gets cocky at times.

[GuardianofOa]

Yeah, actually, Obi-Wan's characterization and Ewing's performance was probably one of the brightest spots of the prequels.

If there's any flaw there, it was the fact he didn't have any other have decent characters or actors to play off of in Episodes II and III.

I thought Ian McDiarmid was excellent throughout all three Prequels. His portrayal of how someone can be two characters was near perfect. He handled deceit quite well. The Opera scene is an obvious choice for what makes him so great. But his portrayal of concern in Episode I was brilliant.

[GuardianofOa]

So is anyone going to Celebration VI this year?

[Hunter Rider]

Good man :woot:

:bow: :D

I didnt know either, it's a pleasant surprise for sure looks like it's going to be a packed finale :awesome:

Yes even bounty hunters are in the mix! :applaud I'm a bit surprised we are seeing Boba in armour at this point, but I guess nearer the end they can do a story where he gets his classic armour, maybe even have Death Watch seek him out next season given his lineage.

I liked last night's episode, i must admit i felt bad for Ventress in the end; i'm really looking forward to seeing what's going to happen with her the rest of the season and going into season 5. It hadnt occurred to me she could be the unexpected aid Obi-Wan has, i could see that happening. Good call, Hunter. Let's see if it pans out. I thought Mother Talzin evaporated, not that they killer her. She sure pulled some galactic voodoo con Dooku lol.

Well she has always seemed to have had a thing for Obi Wan! :D
It looks like Ventress has hired the bounty hunters to help her hijack a train, I wonder if the cargo she is after are the cyborg legs for Maul, maybe thinking she can still use him against Dooku only to end up teaming with Obi Wan against the brothers.

Grievous is such a cheater though, he always pulls a fast one when he finds himself down lol.

Classic villainy! :woot:

[Drizzle]

So is anyone going to Celebration VI this year?
I would go if they brought it to New York for once.

[Spider-Gnome]

Good first part of the arc, Ventress got the better in the one on one with Grievous but he wiped the Nightsisters out! Did he kill Mother Talzin or did she evaporate?

It's almost like Mother Talzin pulled a Ben Kenobi in the original trilogy, disappearing just as they are struck down and appearing as if a vision to their former students.

It said in the article Bim posted the other day that Obi Wan gets an unexpected ally when facing Maul and Oppress, at the time I thought Dooku, but I'm now thinking it will be Ventress.

I could see that, considering their "relationship" shown thus far in the series.



Plus, I'm enjoying this Prequel discussion and wish I had more time to chime in. Maybe eventually...

[Thebumwhowalks]

For sure. Obi-Wan was an island in a sea of dud performances

I said this months ago, but Ewen's act is unique in the prequels, because it is based on the performance established by Alec Gunniess. It would most likely be an entirely different story if Ewen were given that role with no previous performance to copy. I'm sure McGregor would agree, so I don't see why his fans wouldn't.
I would not say that Ian McDiarmand's performance as the Emperor in ep III was a dud whatsoever, he was having a ball and played the part perfectly.
Liam Neeson was good too, his Jedi was interesting to watch because he was allowed to be a bit of a rebel.

[OptimusPrime114]

Since tonight's Oscar night, I want to post up a couple of facts

ANH won the Oscars for:

Best Art Direction-Set Decoration
Best Costume Design
Best Effects, Visual Effects
Best Film Editing
Best Music, Original Score
Best Sound

ESB won the Oscar for:

Best Sound

[Llama_Shepherd]

Hayden Christensen as Vader was based upon James Earl Jones and David Prowse as Vader. I still don't think he was very good. If Ewan were a lesser actor, the role would have been butchered, but he lived up to the role and in my opinion, superseded Guiness.

[GuardianofOa]

I would go if they brought it to New York for once.

I live in Illinois man, I wish anything other than Wizard World would come around here. But my family and a few buds are Celebration bound this year!

[Thebumwhowalks]

Hayden Christensen as Vader was based upon James Earl Jones and David Prowse as Vader. I still don't think he was very good. If Ewan were a lesser actor, the role would have been butchered, but he lived up to the role and in my opinion, superseded Guiness.

You're not seriously making that comparison to Ewen's Guiness performance? you are? I guess you will find it very difficult indeed to find anyone who agrees with you.
HC's was the same characater, but performance wise it was 0% like the Darth Vader in the OT.

edit: and I have to disagree, Alec Gunniess is way better a watch than Ewen as Obi-Wan.
But, given your initial attempt to disentangle Ewen's performance from Alec Guinness', it sounds more like you are prejudiced against anyone who may be compared to McGregor, so your fandom sounds shaky.

edit:Personally, if I were McGregor, I'd want fans who genuinely liked me, not folk who just hate the other guy and want to try and make him feel inferior.

[CConn]

I said this months ago, but Ewen's act is unique in the prequels, because it is based on the performance established by Alec Gunniess. It would most likely be an entirely different story if Ewen were given that role with no previous performance to copy. I'm sure McGregor would agree, so I don't see why his fans wouldn't.That's a fair point, but it's not one that would hold me back from complimenting Ewan for his performance. There's no way of knowing resolutely what he performance would've been had Guinness not played the role.
I would not say that Ian McDiarmand's performance as the Emperor in ep III was a dud whatsoever, he was having a ball and played the part perfectly.His performance was much too over the top campy for me in Episode III. It really seemed to lack the subtle creepy and insane undertone that really made his performance in ROTJ work.
Liam Neeson was good too, his Jedi was interesting to watch because he was allowed to be a bit of a rebel.I agree entirely. TPM is my favorite of the prequels purely because of how thoroughly Neeson owned that movie.

[Thebumwhowalks]

That's a fair point, but it's not one that would hold me back from complimenting Ewan for his performance. There's no way of knowing resolutely what he performance would've been had Guinness not played the role.

There kind of is, when you look at how bland Sam Jackson's performance as Mace Windu is. If SLJ can't make a 'badass' Jedi interesting onscreen, I doubt McGregor would've pulled off any kind of unique or interesting performance onscreen from scratch.
Guinness was the first Jedi we saw on screen, he had absolutely no reference point whatsoever, he conjured up that performance on blind faith alone.
McGregor did a good job of not spoiling Guniness' legacy though, his imitation did feel like a real character, he found the right balance between imitation and performance.


His performance was much too over the top campy for me in Episode III. It really seemed to lack the subtle creepy and insane undertone that really made his performance in ROTJ work.

I like him in both movies, but there was nothing wrong with being ott in epIII, the role called for that, he was being evil and enjoying taking down the jedi with gusto.


I agree entirely. TPM is my favorite of the prequels purely because of how thoroughly Neeson owned that movie.

Neeson was a good watch, but the movie is awful for the most part. the final third is unwatchable apart from the lightsabre fight, I actually find the final third to be depressing to watch, given the high quality space and land battles of the OT.

[CConn]

Episode III is the one I find depressing. Purely because I can't help but feel as though Christensen's whiny and childish Anakin diminishes Vader's cold and sophisticated greatness tremendously. After watching ROTS, Vader just looks like a little ***** in ANH to me,

[Thebumwhowalks]

Episode III is the one I find depressing. Purely because I can't help but feel as though Christensen's whiny and childish Anakin diminishes Vader's cold and sophisticated greatness tremendously. After watching ROTS, Vader just looks like a little ***** in ANH to me,

eh, Vader was a moany git as well, haha.

[CConn]

I know. But that's the thing, I never realized just how pathetic he was until ROTS. :o

[Thebumwhowalks]

I know. But that's the thing, I never realized just how pathetic he was until ROTS. :o

He is the poster boy for all the whiners who do nothing but ***** and moan on messageboards, haha.
I hear more of Anakin in the constant whining of moany posters than anywhere else in the world.

[roach]

He is the poster boy for all the whiners who do nothing but ***** and moan on messageboards, haha.
I hear more of Anakin in the constant whining of moany posters than anywhere else in the world.

sort of like people who complain about movies that came out over ten years ago...over and over and over and over and over again...:woot:

[Thebumwhowalks]

sort of like people who complain about movies that came out over ten years ago...over and over and over and over and over again...:woot:

oh yeah, no doubt in my mind that ain't over.

[CConn]

sort of like people who complain about movies that came out over ten years ago...over and over and over and over and over again...:woot:
ROTS came out 7 years ago, so there. :o

[roach]

ROTS came out 7 years ago, so there. :o

and people are gonna complain for the next three years

[CConn]

But your statement won't be valid for another four. :D

[A Necessary Evil]

They will complain until we have children, and they have children; along with their children's children's children.






Though that won't be for star wars only...

[Thebumwhowalks]

Who else but George Lucas would have been crazy enough to believe he could bring Star Wars to the screen in the way he did? No-one, that's who. George figured that sh** out on his own, no-one told him sh**, George didn't even know there was anyone else in on it when he made his voyage of self-discovery and started doing his first jobs, as far as he was concerned, it was just him on his own.
That's why folk who downplay what George did just sound like prejudiced fools, who have no idea what they are talking about, they take for granted everything they were taught about Star Wars.
In George's shoes, the detractors would've just ended up living crappy regular lives, and can do nothing but look for opportunities to slag off Lucas, because he lost his mojo along the way. But, that doesn't take away anything from what he achieved, or the fact that he can always get his mojo back.

If I was a new sci-fi player, I'd be wanting folk to support me who genuinely liked me, not a bunch of sad jealous gits who only want to hail me in order to slag off Lucas, who they seem to have a personal beef with.

[roach]

But your statement won't be valid for another four. :D

from a certain point of view...it is

[roach]

Who else but George Lucas would have been crazy enough to believe he could bring Star Wars to the screen in the way he did? No-one, that's who. George figured that sh** out on his own, no-one told him sh**, George didn't even know there was anyone else in on it when he made his voyage of self-discovery and started doing his first jobs, as far as he was concerned, it was just him on his own.
That's why folk who downplay what George did just sound like prejudiced fools, who have no idea what they are talking about, they take for granted everything they were taught about Star Wars.
In George's shoes, the detractors would've just ended up living crappy regular lives, and can do nothing but look for opportunities to slag off Lucas, because he lost his mojo along the way. But, that doesn't take away anything from what he achieved, or the fact that he can always get his mojo back.

If I was a new sci-fi player, I'd be wanting folk to support me who genuinely liked me, not a bunch of sad jealous gits who only want to hail me in order to slag off Lucas, who they seem to have a personal beef with.

George Lucas changed film making in so many ways
1) created ILM the top special effects house in the industry
2) created PIXAR
3) created AVID which is the top movie editing program in the industry

[roach]

They will complain until we have children, and they have children; along with their children's children's children.






Though that won't be for star wars only...

a thousand years from know we won't be separated by countries but by by fans of properties....Star wars fans, Twilight fans, Potter fans

[A Necessary Evil]

a thousand years from know we won't be separated by countries but by by fans of properties....Star wars fans, Twilight fans, Potter fans

Batfans, Spider-fans, etc; so forth.. :oldrazz:

[Thebumwhowalks]

A word of warning to my friend the G-Man...Anyone new getting into the same sci-fi hero game as Lucas did, should heed the warning of Lucas' career....there are all types of people involved in this, you may think everyone is on the same side at first, but there are a lot of personal agendas in this game, be careful who you trust, they will try to turn friend against friend, and if you ever get involved with a female romantically, man, you better hope no-one in the higher power structure fancies her, because everyone who wants to kiss the bosses ass will try to f up your relationship to please the boss. That is what is happening right now with me, the boss and his minions want to break up my relationship.

Be careful man, they are already trying to turn us into enemies, because we are already powerful allies. By slagging me off, and belittiling my achievements, they are forcing me to stand up for myself with what i have achieved, and they are trying to make it look like I am belittling you.

This is why I have over 100members of this site on my ignore function, the organisation is full of backstabbers, there are some people who will genuinely help you, but be careful. They don't like the fact we are real life friends, they want to turn us against each other, they are a bunch of pr***s for the most part, just regular jerks who are jealous and abuse their powers to try and f up our personal lives.
they are not chosen like us, they are pretty much arbitarily picked out of a hat for the most part, random jerks, like any large group of people.

[Hunter Rider]

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[OptimusPrime114]

Someone loves ESB!

[Hunter Rider]

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[CapedCrusader14]

It's all so wonderful!

[Young Superman]

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This is really cool.

[gohei_]

Oh man, that is unbelievably good!

[Paradox1]

It's time for some Starkiller love http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbmfesfH2K1qzkrfxo1_500.jpg
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[Infinity9999x]

Okay, but again, there's never been any evidence Obi-Wan was ever, or should ever, be like Han.

No, like I said, I meant seeing a younger, more brash, overconfident Obi-Wan. That's something I think could have worked very well. And a young, overconfident Obi-Wan would probably have his own charm about him. The older Obi-Wan was still quite witty, so combine that wit with a young Jedi who thinks he's hot stuff, and that could be a very fun character.

Now, I really enjoyed the way they portrayed Obi-Wan in the prequels because I that Ewan did a great job, but I do like that idea of seeing Obi-Wan start out more brash and slowly transform into the more grounded mentor we know in ANH.

[CConn]

They really should make a movie directly based off of The Force Unleashed. It's be awesome.

[Speedball]

They really should make a movie directly based off of The Force Unleashed. It's be awesome.

Sam Witwer would definitely be down for reprising his role, or at least in voice form. I wish The Force Unleashed II wasn't canon, it destroys the meaning behind the light side ending of the first game.

[The_Raganork]

I hate the Force Unleashed...

I see we already discussed that guys re-writing of TPM which essentially was: Re-do A New Hope now that you've had 10+ years and the other two films to figure out how you wanted to see the series go.

Honestly for all it's mistakes TPM isn't that bad and even worse that guy's suggestions aren't THAT good.

[8wid]

I've update my prequel rewrite to change the motive for Anakin joining the Dark Side. Instead of the need to save his wife from captivity and torture, instead Commander Skywalker will want revenge for the deaths of many individuals like his parents, friends on his original homeworld, leaving his brother Owen a ruined man, forcing him to be a refugee and to endure an impoverished life, many who died during the Clone Wars, creating the clone army that ravages the Republic, and kidnapping his wife. As Anakin tries to strike down the Mandolorian general in cold blood, his master stops him and tries to get him to calm down before knocking him into a molten pit by accident during their infamous duel. That is a MUCH better motive than having dreams you're wife is going to die in child birth or you're mad you weren't the one to kill General Grievous.


Like Sparta and Athens, Carthage and Rome, the Galactic Republic is the military rival of the Mandalorian Empire in the Galaxy. a A century before the Clone Wars, the Jedi Knights scattered the Mandos to the edge of deep space. Ever since the culture has been vengeful and seeks to recapture their old magic Kaiber crystal from the Jedi to reclaim their former glory. Because of it's peaceful nature, care has been given to King Bail Organa of Alderaan to guard over it. The crystal, is an unlimited fuel source for a fleet of ships and can make a Force wielder almost invincible.

After several decades of peace, the Mandos begin to build up their arms again and the Republic responds by having the Jedi form the volunteer Galactic Star Fleet in case of a new attack. Eventually the Clone Wars begin.

Upon hearing of the war's start, a seventeen year old refugee farmer on Tatooine named Anakin Skywalker runs away from his brother Owen's farm to join the Galactic Star Fleet. Both of his parents were killed by the Mandolorian General Kruul in a civilian massacre, that nearly anihilated the agricultural world where Anakin once lived. He seeks to avenge their deaths and is especially fond of the stories of a certain thirty-five year old general named Ben Kenobi who is the youngest in his ranks.

After several years of training, Anakin becomes quite a skilled pilot and one of his maneuvers saves Alderaan from invasion by the Mando fleet led by the Mandolorian general who killed his parents. For his bravery, he is recognized by King Bail Organa and General Ben "Obi-Wan" Kenobi in a ceremony. Ben notices how strong Anakin is in the Force and takes him on as his apprentice claiming using their powers as an advantage over others. The two retrace the path of the Mando fleet to a top secret cloning facility in the Outer Rim where and the secret behind the new Mando numbers is revealed.

By the second film, the war is going badly and the Mandos, despite the destruction of the clone facility at the hands of General Kenobi and Anakin, amount a massive clone invasion and overrun the Republic. Anakin has married the senator of Alderaan, who would have appeared in the first film, and at the time of their honeymoon, she kidnapped by General Kruul. The Kaiber crystal has since been hidden somewhere else and Lady Skywalker is the guardian of its location. Ben misses the surprise attack on the palace and Anakin is a little miffed about losing a few friends in the scuffle. Master and apprentice pick up the trail of the senator together searching for the source of the new clones too, fighting many units along the way.

Eventually, the two friends manage to track the find the Mandalore to a volcanic planet where he is trying to force Lady Skywalker into the protection chamber of the Kaiburr crystal. Both Jedi engage him, but Anakin acts on rage and tries to kill the Mandalore in cold blood. Fearing his apprentice will fall to the Dark Side if he does, Ben directly intervenes with his lightsaber, and causes Anakin to think he has betrayed him. The Mandolore escapes and Anakin is furious thinking his master wants the glory of it himself. Both Jedi duel dangerously close to a volcano erupting around them and Ben ACCIDENTALLY knocks his apprentice into a molten pit leaving him near dead and totally scarred. Due to the dangerous volcano, Republic forces retreat into hyperspace. The crystal is lost and in the background, the Galactic Senate declares martial allow across the Galaxy and instates a military draft to deal with the invasion. So ends Episode II.

About nine months later, the war has turned on the Mandos ever since the Republic got ahold of the Kaiburr crystal. The Republic's infrastructure has been almost utterly destroyed. Imagine on a comparable scale of Europe after World War I, but has beaten the Mandos back to deep space. Strangely too most of the Mando leaders have been mysteriously killed in the short amount of time, as have many Jedi Knights. In the time between movies, as Ben grieves the apparent death of his apprentice at his hands, he leads a raid on a prison planet where Lady Skywalker has been held and rescues her, killing the evil general who took her in reprisal. To his surprise he finds that she is pregnant with Anakin's child and she is taken to Galactic City (Coruscant) away from the fighting. Ben then gets visions through the Force of a new rising evil behind the scenes and speculates his apprentice may be alive.

The Jedi Elders meet secretly, but are all assassinated by a mysterious force. As Ben probably goes to Degobah to meet with Yoda about the death of his apprentice, he senses the sudden murder of thousands of Jedi at the hands of a single bladed assassin. In response to the sudden attacks, the President of the Senate orders a military blockade of Galactic City. Several senators are arrested and accussed of a conspiracy to eliminate the Jedi Knghts in league with the Mandos, including Lady Skywalker who is imprisoned in the presidential palace. Jedi Knights are ordered across the Galaxy to return to their home world as their need for service has ended. The Mando capital of Concorde Dawn is surrounded by the Galactic Star Fleet for one final assault that will end the war and kill their leader.

Ben senses an even grander conspiracy to overthrow the Republic, he teams up with King Bail to rescue Lady Skywalker and then sneaks her to the Jedi homeworld where he thinks she will be safe. In secret he heads to the Jedi homeworld where the Jedi are just returning home from combat. They are shocked to met by a prototype Death Star has been built to destroy them and is powered by the Kaiber crystal they recovered of all things. Legions of stormtroopers under the leadership of a familiar dark robed cyborg march in and open fire.

Ben and a psuedo-Vader, who is only wearing a breathing mask and the cloak at this point, duel. During it, while Anakin is physically unrecognizable, Ben senses his identiy and finds out that his apprentice has been injured but also become a Manchurian candidate of sorts after secret military experiments by Republic black ops made him into a cyborg after he fell into the molten pit where he was burned alive and kept alive in a secret labratory run by Republic black ops. A group of secrety conspiring military leaders and big business interests secretly started the war in the hopes of turning the Republic into a police state, with the the Senate President at the helm. Vader is a mix of being, brain injured, brainwashed, and ignorant from being kept isolated by his bosses. He has been convinced that Ben tried to kill him on the volcanic world to take the glory of recovering the Kaibur crystal for himself and in jealously of his apprentice's great abilities. It may be revealed that a young Ben Kenobi was the commander who supervised the agricultural homeworld Anakin came from that was raided by the Mandos and resulted in the deaths of both his parents. He also is accused of kidnapping his wife and working with the Mandolorians. The final assault on the Mando homeworld takes place at the exact same moment in order to focus the attention of the Galaxy there.

Eventually after escaping with his life, the Death Star prototype destroys of Jedi in one swift stroke. Anakin's wife who was on site of the attack and was exposed to a near lethal dosage of radiation during the fighting, gives birth to Luke and Leia in secret on Alderaan, but does not die and is instead disguised as a maidservant to work in the palace of King Bail under his medical care. She will die about the time Luke and Leia turn three so that Leia has some memory of her.

Ben takes Luke to Anakin's brother Owen on Tatooine in guilt of causing Anakin to first run away because of his arrogant ways before and for having further broken up the Skywalker family and failed his dreams. He will also make sure Anakin's dream that his son gets training in the Force comes true.

Meanwhile the assault, capture, and killing of the Mandolore has been completed. The ravaged Galaxy celebrates like in ROTJ praising President Palpatine for bringing an end to the long and brutal war. It is claimed that the Jedi Knights have simply left the Galactic stage to return to their secret homeworld to recoup, few aware of their true fate. Vader takes the rising Emperor's side overlooking a jubilant ground in front of the Presidential Palace in Galactic City. It looks like V-E Day in World War II.

A twenty year reconstruction effort, uprisings after the war, and a total collapse of commerce in the galaxy will follow before the events of ANH. The Empire's growing central authority will slowly continue to control all ways of life under a dictatorship of Palpatine until the Imperial Senate is abolished and regional governors takes their place with a newly finished Death Star to enforce their rule. But we already know how that's going to work out...


My better titles are

Secret of the Mandolorians
The Great Reckoning
Fall of the Republic

[CConn]

I hate the Force Unleashed...

I see we already discussed that guys re-writing of TPM which essentially was: Re-do A New Hope now that you've had 10+ years and the other two films to figure out how you wanted to see the series go.

Honestly for all it's mistakes TPM isn't that bad and even worse that guy's suggestions aren't THAT good.
Do you always enjoy deficating on good things?

[Infinity9999x]

I hate the Force Unleashed...

I see we already discussed that guys re-writing of TPM which essentially was: Re-do A New Hope now that you've had 10+ years and the other two films to figure out how you wanted to see the series go.

Honestly for all it's mistakes TPM isn't that bad and even worse that guy's suggestions aren't THAT good.

I'd agree that TPM isn't that bad. But I do think some of his ideas make sense. Making Obi-Wan a more central character, cutting back on Jar Jar etc.

The reason the prequels get so much flak is because the original trilogy was so good. However, watching the originals you can see seeds of the "bad stuff" that was more apparent in the prequels. Lucas' dialogue for example. It's not very good. Luke was angsty, thought not as annoying as Anakin etc.

Honestly, the reason I think the originals are better is because back then George had people to tell him "No, you can't do that" for certain ideas. Lucas is a GREAT idea man. He comes up with some awesome concepts. But, having an imagination the way he does, some of his ideas are also..not so good. Back in the 70's and 80's. Lucas wasn't the OMG GEORGE LUCAS SO AWESOMEZZ!! That he is now. Studious weren't willing to give him complete creative control. And that actually worked out in making better films in the long run (even though Lucas might not have liked it).

Lucas didn't have any "no-men" this time around because he was GEORGE LUCAS. So he pretty much got to do whatever he wanted...which meant that some bad ideas that probably would have been cut otherwise got included.

[8wid]

The story of the Skywalkers has been told and I don't think it needs to be readdressed. Star Wars is a much bigger universe than just this part. Spin-offs could be about.

Dark Hands
Boba Fett
Young Jango Fett
Young Obi-Wan
Young Qui-Gon
Darth Maul after TPM
Anakin and Obi-Wan before AOTC
Dark Jedi
Rogue Jedi
Jedi bounty hunters
Storm troopers
Separatist resistance
etc.

[CConn]

I'd agree that TPM isn't that bad. But I do think some of his ideas make sense. Making Obi-Wan a more central character, cutting back on Jar Jar etc.

The reason the prequels get so much flak is because the original trilogy was so good. However, watching the originals you can see seeds of the "bad stuff" that was more apparent in the prequels. Lucas' dialogue for example. It's not very good. Luke was angsty, thought not as annoying as Anakin etc.

Honestly, the reason I think the originals are better is because back then George had people to tell him "No, you can't do that" for certain ideas. Lucas is a GREAT idea man. He comes up with some awesome concepts. But, having an imagination the way he does, some of his ideas are also..not so good. Back in the 70's and 80's. Lucas wasn't the OMG GEORGE LUCAS SO AWESOMEZZ!! That he is now. Studious weren't willing to give him complete creative control. And that actually worked out in making better films in the long run (even though Lucas might not have liked it).

Lucas didn't have any "no-men" this time around because he was GEORGE LUCAS. So he pretty much got to do whatever he wanted...which meant that some bad ideas that probably would have been cut otherwise got included.
I've always had a sneaking suspicion that that dude Gary Kurtz - whom Lucas apparently couldn't stand - was the main force that kept ANH and ESB from dipping into the childish camp that Lucas started bringing into the series once Kurtz left.

[CConn]

The story of the Skywalkers has been told and I don't think it needs to be readdressed. Star Wars is a much bigger universe than just this part. Spin-offs could be about.

Dark Hands
Boba Fett
Young Jango Fett
Young Obi-Wan
Young Qui-Gon
Darth Maul after TPM
Anakin and Obi-Wan before AOTC
Dark Jedi
Rogue Jedi
Jedi bounty hunters
Storm troopers
Separatist resistance
etc.
I wouldn't accept any of them myself at very least until after the Thrawn Trilogy was adapted.

[The_Raganork]

Only when they're bad.

The Force Unleashed may be nice for show and action but the story is boring wasted and ultimately so dramatically different in feeling from any of the films it makes me wonder how they ever managed to stick the name "Star Wars" on it.

There are legitimate moments of interest and familiar Star Wars playful banter but there was never anything rewarding about the experience, I'm glad it's not the only account of the time period between ROTS and ANH (barring that Star Wars: Underworld doesn't just vanish) because if it were it'd really ruin that portion of the story.

Vader is as one-dimensional as ever and just the entire whole of the game's lore is something out of a bad Star Wars fan-fiction.

If they should make a movie of any Star Wars game it's the Republic series, Knights and Knights II, now that's a story with intricate ties to the Star Wars series whilst retaining it's own individual merits.

Hell, Star Wars: Bounty Hunter was a more interesting, fun and better written game.

[CConn]

No, you just don't really know what you're talking about.

[The_Raganork]

I'd agree that TPM isn't that bad. But I do think some of his ideas make sense. Making Obi-Wan a more central character, cutting back on Jar Jar etc.

The reason the prequels get so much flak is because the original trilogy was so good. However, watching the originals you can see seeds of the "bad stuff" that was more apparent in the prequels. Lucas' dialogue for example. It's not very good. Luke was angsty, thought not as annoying as Anakin etc.

Honestly, the reason I think the originals are better is because back then George had people to tell him "No, you can't do that" for certain ideas. Lucas is a GREAT idea man. He comes up with some awesome concepts. But, having an imagination the way he does, some of his ideas are also..not so good. Back in the 70's and 80's. Lucas wasn't the OMG GEORGE LUCAS SO AWESOMEZZ!! That he is now. Studious weren't willing to give him complete creative control. And that actually worked out in making better films in the long run (even though Lucas might not have liked it).

Lucas didn't have any "no-men" this time around because he was GEORGE LUCAS. So he pretty much got to do whatever he wanted...which meant that some bad ideas that probably would have been cut otherwise got included.

Yeah, Yeah, the whole of his ideas aren't bad. I agree about making Obi-wan a more central character but the convoluted idea that he and Padme should be kind of involved and the odd placement of his and Qui-Gon's relationship amongst some of the other #1 copied ideas from ANH or #2 plain uninteresting plot lines would have muddled the series.

The whole idea of keeping Yoda hidden the entire film and just saying: "he's doing Jedi master badassery" is wrong. THIS is the Jedi golden time, we're supposed to see more of them not less.

Yoda should have been more actively involved, not just sitting in the council, the way we see him in ROTS should have been the way we've seen him from the start, then we could have progressed through his role as master, to general and then ultimately failing and seeing the err in his path and giving him a REAL reason to go into exile.

Also I know people love Darth Maul, and this may be my Count Dooku fanboysim coming out but, there's no need for Maul to go on in the series. His place as a death tool could have been upped though. Especially if Dooku was established in TPM.

Show Dooku as a doubter of the Republic in their dealings with the coming Darkness, Qui-gon of two-minds about it and Obi-Wan as the hopeful, slightly innocent Padawan.

In the end Maul's killing of Qui-Gon serves to break Dooku from the order and give Obi-Wan resolve to train Anakin against the growing darkness, essentially taking Qui gon's place.

So in AOTC when Qui-Gon's mentor is allied with the CIS it's a mind-blowing shock for Obi-Wan and Dooku's seduction hits closer to home. These people killed your mentor, I'm in the thick of it now and I'm going to kill the Sith and what keeps Obi from turning is when they face Dooku in the end, Anakin is nearly killed and his promise to Qui-Gon pits him against Dooku.

[The_Raganork]

No, you just don't really know what you're talking about.

Sure I do. I'm just not easily tricked by fancy cinema scenes and generous displays of power.

[The_Raganork]

The story of the Skywalkers has been told and I don't think it needs to be readdressed. Star Wars is a much bigger universe than just this part. Spin-offs could be about.

Dark Hands
Boba Fett
Young Jango Fett
Young Obi-Wan
Young Qui-Gon
Darth Maul after TPM
Anakin and Obi-Wan before AOTC
Dark Jedi
Rogue Jedi
Jedi bounty hunters
Storm troopers
Separatist resistance
etc.

Yeah, Spin-offs are the way to go. The Skywalker story has been told

[Infinity9999x]

I've always had a sneaking suspicion that that dude Gary Kurtz - whom Lucas apparently couldn't stand - was the main force that kept ANH and ESB from dipping into the childish camp that Lucas started bringing into the series once Kurtz left.

I agree. And that he had actors like Ford who were willing to walk up to him and go "George, you might be able to write this ****, but nobody can say it."

Lucas is a talented guy. He's responsible for one of the most popular sci-fi epics of all time, and co-responsible for one of the best adventure epics of all time (Indy). But everyone needs and editor. JK Rowling echoed those sentiments herself. She said she got too self indulgent in the fifth Harry Potter book and that she should have edited it down more. But at that point she was multimillionaire JKR, not just your everyday author. So I'm sure her editors were giving her more slack then normal.

Honestly, Lucas had some really cool ideas in the prequels. But he just needed an editor. Someone to look at him and go "okay..keep this, cut that." And I think the films would have greatly benefited from that.

[CConn]

Sure I do. I'm just not easily tricked by fancy cinema scenes and generous displays of power.
No, you're one of those unfortunate people with a small intellect but a big ego.

The Force Unleashed was one of the more original and unique works of Star Wars fiction I've seen in a long time for several reasons that I'm quite sure you're wholly unable to comprehend.

[Rockstar]

Star Wars is probably the saddest film franchise right now.

Lucas made SW into a complete joke with the prequels, and now he mentions how 'Star Wars is HIS baby' and he won't ever hand the reigns over to someone else to make better films.

Star Wars as a film franchise is screwed.

[CConn]

I agree. And that he had actors like Ford who were willing to walk up to him and go "George, you might be able to write this ****, but nobody can say it."

Lucas is a talented guy. He's responsible for one of the most popular sci-fi epics of all time, and co-responsible for one of the best adventure epics of all time (Indy). But everyone needs and editor. JK Rowling echoed those sentiments herself. She said she got too self indulgent in the fifth Harry Potter book and that she should have edited it down more. But at that point she was multimillionaire JKR, not just your everyday author. So I'm sure her editors were giving her more slack then normal.

Honestly, Lucas had some really cool ideas in the prequels. But he just needed an editor. Someone to look at him and go "okay..keep this, cut that." And I think the films would have greatly benefited from that.
That level of egotism has always mystified me.

I've done some writing myself, and personally, I LOVE collaboration and critical oversight by others. It not only enriches the work by having multiple voices and influences built into it, but it also - hopefully - creates a product that a diverse audience will enjoy. And not just you personally.

[The_Raganork]

No, you're one of those unfortunate people with a small intellect but a big ego.

I have a big ego because I didn't enjoy the game?

Sounds like you're one of those unfortunate people who strives for someone to agree with them and when they don't you get defensive.

The Force Unleashed was one of the more original and unique works of Star Wars fiction I've seen in a long time for several reasons that I'm quite sure you're wholly unable to comprehend.

Originally I never said that one shouldn't like the Force Unleashed, only that I hated it. So it being one of your top picks for originality in Star Wars is perfectly acceptable to me.

What's not acceptable is this foolish notion that you think I can't comprehend something because you enjoyed it.

It shows a lack of variations in your thought patterns.

I like + He does not like = He does not understand.

I'm not sure it works like that all the time and I'm positive it's not working like that at this current moment. The Force Unleashed is just another game and for such reasons is treated as just another game.

KOTOR is one that's treated as if it's something special,, mostly because it is (not that it's perfect) The Force Unleashed takes place at an interesting time but if you're impressed by that then there's TONS of other things that will impress you because honestly as a story (especially one that tries to keep relation with ROTS and ANH) it doesn't go the distance it could.

It's extreme for the purpose of being extreme.

[The_Raganork]

Star Wars is probably the saddest film franchise right now.

Lucas made SW into a complete joke with the prequels, and now he mentions how 'Star Wars is HIS baby' and he won't ever hand the reigns over to someone else to make better films.

Star Wars as a film franchise is screwed.


Yet hit's the billion dollar mark (again) this week!

[gohei_]

Sam Witwer would definitely be down for reprising his role, or at least in voice form. I wish The Force Unleashed II wasn't canon, it destroys the meaning behind the light side ending of the first game.

How so? I haven't played the second one and I'm not really sure on the plot details, only that you play as his clone?

[CConn]

I have a big ego because I didn't enjoy the game?

Sounds like you're one of those unfortunate people who strives for someone to agree with them and when they don't you get defensiveNo, because if you go back and look at even the last page of this thread, you'll see I'm perfectly able to have mature debates with people who disagree with me. I actually love encountering someone with a dissenting point of view who can actually back their stance up with a good old fashioned intelligent argument. Unfortunately that's not you.

Which is made evident by your foolish assumption that my liking of TFU has anything to do with the time in which it takes place. It doesn't. My appreciation for it actually has to do with how the story is structured, its use of its main protagonist, and narrative approaches that it takes that you can't find in many other works in the Star Wars universe.

[Rockstar]

Yet hit's the billion dollar mark (again) this week!

It isn't just about the money. There's no denying the prequels made tons of money, that's what they were designed for.


I was talking about the quality of the films.


Oh well, thankfully JJ Abrams new Trek film franchise is filling the void.

[OptimusPrime114]

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/d/de/Desann_and_Jerec.jpg

http://zonamasekot.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/star_wars_anakin_and_ahsoka_by_terese_nielsen.jpg

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Luke&Mara(Galaxy4-47).jpg

[The_Raganork]

No, because if you go back and look at even the last page of this thread, you'll see I'm perfectly able to have mature debates with people who disagree with me. I actually love encountering someone with a dissenting point of view who can actually back their stance up with a good old fashioned intelligent argument. Unfortunately that's not you.

I've actually read plenty of your post around SHH over the time and agree with you on the idea that you're capable of having a mature debate.

Capable, yes but after my initial comment you say:

Do you always enjoy deficating on good things?

Now that doesn't seem to be inviting an intelligent conversation at all.

I didn't attack you, I didn't say you were an idiot for like TFU, yet you came at me with the above? Why?

I mean we can go back and forward and passively insult each other til it ceases to be passive but why?

What's your big beef that you had to resort to being a combative jerk because I do not enjoy something you do?

Which is made evident by your foolish assumption that my liking of TFU has anything to do with the time in which it takes place.

Read my post again. I never said YOU liked TFU because of the time period it took place in, I was giving credit to TFU for that reason and then pointing out what it does wrong for ME despite that merit.

I can't tell you why you shouldn't like TFU, I can only tell you what about it I didn't enjoy.

So, it's really not foolish at all. You just read it wrong.

My appreciation for it actually has to do with how the story is structured, its use of its main protagonist, and narrative approaches that it takes that you can't find in many other works in the Star Wars universe.

That's where we differ, I don't actually agree it does these things and if it does not very well, in my opinion.

I do remember being a little fond of Juno and Starkiller's relationship a bit but nothing to the point of me being enthralled by it.

Regardless, this again comes down to why you quickly resorted to going into a passively insulting tirade against me.

I enjoy you as a poster and frankly I'm a little shocked (and to be perfectly honest disappointed) that you approached me this way.

[Thebumwhowalks]

I agree. And that he had actors like Ford who were willing to walk up to him and go "George, you might be able to write this ****, but nobody can say it."

Lucas is a talented guy. He's responsible for one of the most popular sci-fi epics of all time, and co-responsible for one of the best adventure epics of all time (Indy). But everyone needs and editor. JK Rowling echoed those sentiments herself. She said she got too self indulgent in the fifth Harry Potter book and that she should have edited it down more. But at that point she was multimillionaire JKR, not just your everyday author. So I'm sure her editors were giving her more slack then normal.

Honestly, Lucas had some really cool ideas in the prequels. But he just needed an editor. Someone to look at him and go "okay..keep this, cut that." And I think the films would have greatly benefited from that.

That level of egotism has always mystified me.

I've done some writing myself, and personally, I LOVE collaboration and critical oversight by others. It not only enriches the work by having multiple voices and influences built into it, but it also - hopefully - creates a product that a diverse audience will enjoy. And not just you personally.

When he decided the make the prequels, Lucas did in fact ask Larry Kasdan, who co-wrote Empire and Jedi with him, to co-write the screenplays, but Kasdan kb'd him, preferring to work on his own material.

Lucas co-wrote AOTC with a writer who worked with him on the young Indiana Jones tv series, Jonathan Hales, so there was some collaboration, just not up to the standard of the OT(although, some will disagree of course).

Tom Stoppard did an uncredited pass at the ROTS screenplay as well, not collaboration exactly though.

But aye, I do agree that could have been a problem with the prequels, too many 'yes men' around Lucas. But, we don't know, we also don't know how much Gary Kurtz contributed to the OT either, I read he suggested some bad ideas for the OT as well as any good ones he might have had. He was the one who suggested to Lucas that he kill off Han Solo in Jedi, which, y'know, might have been gritty and realistic and all that, but it would have been the wrong move, a very depressing end to the series, esp since folk had been waiting a 3yr cliffhanger to see him rescued in that movie.

[OptimusPrime114]

I don't know if anybody knows this, but do the Nelvaanians from the 03 Clone Wars cartoon look like the Na'vi?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/5/2/129173144016661998.jpg

[Thebumwhowalks]

I don't know if anyone knows this, but Popeye was in the Navi.

[CConn]

I've actually read plenty of your post around SHH over the time and agree with you on the idea that you're capable of having a mature debate.Why thank you. I appreciate that.

Now that doesn't seem to be inviting an intelligent conversation at all.

I didn't attack you, I didn't say you were an idiot for like TFU, yet you came at me with the above? Why?

I mean we can go back and forward and passively insult each other til it ceases to be passive but why?

What's your big beef that you had to resort to being a combative jerk because I do not enjoy something you do?It doesn't appear to be inviting an intelligent debate, because it's not meant. That type of subtle yet humourous admonishment signifies that I disagree, but don't necessarily feel like debating the topic. The crudeness in itself is not meant as an offense to you, just as a dismissal to the conversation in general. This happens in the comic boards all the time between friends - or, at very least - posters who are familiar with each other. It's when people take that and launch it into a serious debate that I get irked.
That's where we differ, I don't actually agree it does these things and if it does not very well, in my opinion.But see, do you even have a clue what I'm referring to?

The Star Wars films have always been ensemble pieces; large collections of characters who's story intertwine to comprise an overall larger story. Which is awesome, don't get me wrong.

But what TFU does is focus on a singular character, which automatically creates a much more personal, smaller scale story, that gives us the opportunity to more explore the motivations and psychology of a singular character, rather than having those things exposed through character interactions like ensemble pieces do.

That being said, I feel that using that structure, you could craft a Star Wars story that's more akin to Batman Begins or Iron Man or another singular character piece. The thing that I think TFU did surprisingly well, is that it actually espoused a much larger story of the birth of the rebellion while remaining focused primarily on that singular character.

And that's what I think would make for such an interesting film; it would be a Star Wars film that would be different from anything we've seen before on film, but still be able to play into the larger saga as a whole.

And that's the last semi-intelligent thing I have to say on the matter. :o

[Bim]

I don't know if anybody knows this, but do the Nelvaanians from the 03 Clone Wars cartoon look like the Na'vi?

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/5/2/129173144016661998.jpg
I actually hadnt noticed that before, they do look a bit similar.

[OptimusPrime114]

Found these on deviantArt. What if TCW was a live-action show?

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/085/f/a/satine_and_obi_wan_by_violetofviolence-d3ch812.jpg

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs47/f/2009/174/0/3/ROTS_ANAKIN_WITH_AHSOKA_MANIP_by_ElTheGeneral.jpg

http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/members/1/367/366983/thumb_620x2000/real_Captain_Rex_by_Xelidhean.jpg

[CConn]

Rex's head is much too big. :o

[Hunter Rider]

No, you just don't really know what you're talking about.

No, you're one of those unfortunate people with a small intellect but a big ego.

The Force Unleashed was one of the more original and unique works of Star Wars fiction I've seen in a long time for several reasons that I'm quite sure you're wholly unable to comprehend.

This is two Chris, there wont be a third, knock off the tiresome faux superiority.

[CConn]

No there won't, because we actually worked out the issue like two hours ago.

[Hunter Rider]

Not to my satisfaction, it's a general warning spanning your posts across the last few days, these were just the two most recent, I'd allowed it to go on long enough, now it wont be a surprise to you when something else happens.

[CConn]

Then just give me a heads up if there's an issue. Preferably in a PM since its really a private conversation anyway.

[Hunter Rider]

Then consider the heads up given, I liked this thread how it was but it's not my right to control it's content even if the recent turn of direction has driven most away. However the rules still apply as regards how to post, anyone posting like they have some kind of special insight or have a misguided and inflated view of themselves and put forth their opinion as fact, need not press submit.

This is an across the thread warning.

[OptimusPrime114]

I need your help!

I'm making an Expanded Universe casting call. Who would make a good live-action Savage Opress?

[CConn]

Then consider the heads up given, I liked this thread how it was but it's not my right to control it's content even if the recent turn of direction has driven most away. However the rules still apply as regards how to post, anyone posting like they have some kind of special insight or have a misguided and inflated view of themselves and put forth their opinion as fact, need not press submit.

This is an across the thread warning.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the overall direction was bothering you so.

Personally, I don't mind things getting a little rough and tumble. Me and bum have had some arguments, and I've been called some things that some might be offended by. But they just amuse me.

But I wouldn't want to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the conversations.

[Golgo-13]

I wonder if we'll see any Jedi Wookies in the CW series..?

[OptimusPrime114]

I wonder if we'll see any Jedi Wookies in the CW series..?

Well, the only Jedi Wookiees I know of are Tyvokka, but he's been dead long before the Clone Wars. And Lowbacca, who is Chewie's nephew, is a member of Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order.

[8wid]

Who else wouldn't mind a Darth Maul movie now that his character is returning to the Clone Wars?

What if Maul declared himself to be a Sith Lord and Sidious a traitor to the order and not truly a Sith any longer. He takes his own apprentice, perhaps a surviving youngling from the Jedi Purge and together they release their grudge against Sidious. There would be conflict between master and apprentice because what if the padawan finds out his master is a Sith Lord? Wouldn't that kind of relationship be shaky?

Call it Star Wars: Doublecrossed

[Matt Mortem]

Who else wouldn't mind a Darth Maul movie now that his character is returning to the Clone Wars?

What if Maul declared himself to be a Sith Lord and Sidious a traitor to the order and not truly a Sith any longer. He takes his own apprentice, perhaps a surviving youngling from the Jedi Purge and together they release their grudge against Sidious. There would be conflict between master and apprentice because what if the padawan finds out his master is a Sith Lord? Wouldn't that kind of relationship be shaky?

Call it Star Wars: Doublecrossed

Sounds like the kinda thing that'd be a decent EU book

[Hellion]

Didn't GL have a rule about no Jedi Wookiees...

...myself...I love the idea of Jedi Wookiees, and like the few that have been introduced...

...really, really, really, liked "Massacre", for the moment its my favorite single episode......

[Matt Mortem]

I read a book about Han and Leia's kids that had a padawan wookie.

[Hunter Rider]

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I'm sorry, I didn't realize the overall direction was bothering you so.

Personally, I don't mind things getting a little rough and tumble. Me and bum have had some arguments, and I've been called some things that some might be offended by. But they just amuse me.

But I wouldn't want to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the conversations.

This thread was just fans talking about what they like about Star Wars, posting fan art, discussing collectibles and the animated show, it was a laid back and fun escape from the aggro elsewhere on here, especially for me as I often have to be at the center of any problems, this thread was my Hype relaxation where I post for fun.

Then TPM got re-released and it became what it is now, lots of rehashes of arguments, prequel bashing etc....It's not that I can choose to control that, it's simply that I wish there was a spin-off thread for it instead of having to wade through it every time I click on here. I have made my views clear on what I do and don't think worked in all 6 movies, I like AOTC the 2nd best in the saga, I don't need anyone's approval to validate my opinion as I'm secure in it and don't feel the need to defend it nor do I wish to repeat myself. However this is what the thread has become and I cannot affect that.

As long as it remains civil there wont be a problem.

I wonder if we'll see any Jedi Wookies in the CW series..?

Wookies as Jedi is something I just can't really picture in a way that works.

[OptimusPrime114]

Lowbacca, Chewie's nephew, is a Jedi.

[8wid]

Sounds like the kinda thing that'd be a decent EU book

I figure of a glorified episode of the Clone Wars can be made into a full-length movie, so can something the length of a cheap novel.

If the Force unleashed has another sequel, it needs to be about Vader acquiring another apprentice to overthrow the Emperor. If it's a female, perhaps Starkiller can be tempted between Ms. Eclipse and her. If she has to be brought back from the Dark Side, I sense they may need to get close for it, and Maren may even need to join Vader again to get her hand.

[CConn]

This thread was just fans talking about what they like about Star Wars, posting fan art, discussing collectibles and the animated show, it was a laid back and fun escape from the aggro elsewhere on here, especially for me as I often have to be at the center of any problems, this thread was my Hype relaxation where I post for fun.

Then TPM got re-released and it became what it is now, lots of rehashes of arguments, prequel bashing etc....It's not that I can choose to control that, it's simply that I wish there was a spin-off thread for it instead of having to wade through it every time I click on here. I have made my views clear on what I do and don't think worked in all 6 movies, I like AOTC the 2nd best in the saga, I don't need anyone's approval to validate my opinion as I'm secure in it and don't feel the need to defend it nor do I wish to repeat myself. However this is what the thread has become and I cannot affect that.

As long as it remains civil there wont be a problem.Why don't you just make a separate thread for like pictures/whatever, and then one for debate?

I wouldn't think that overkill.

I mean, personally (no offense) I found the thread kinda boring until people started discussing story ideas and whatnot.

[Kurosawa]

Meh, I'm accustomed to people *****ing about SW...I've been hearing it since ESB.

Yes, the almighty ESB got some of the same complaints as the PT. I remember people *****ing non-stop about how Lucas was obsessed with special effects and muppets. If there had been an internet in 1980, some of the posts about Yoda would shock people today.

[Speedball]

Lowbacca, Chewie's nephew, is a Jedi.

I love Lowie.:woot:
I wish he would show up in Star Wars Legacy, because if he isn't killed somewhere in the 130 years ABY, he'd still be a relatively young Wookie.

[roach]

I find this thread to be very cyclic...that its not even funny...we'll go a few pages about the CW tv show...during said conversation about CW someone will mention how the show is better than the prequels and then we'll go into a few pages about how the prequels suck...

[Sawyer]

75tIHDjEC_Q
Dat Witwer.

[Llama_Shepherd]

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/demotivational-posters-epic-crossovers1.jpg

[roach]

wait why did the Crystal Skull not make sense?

[craigdbfan]

Because it nuked the fridge.

[Thebumwhowalks]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize the overall direction was bothering you so.

Personally, I don't mind things getting a little rough and tumble. Me and bum have had some arguments, and I've been called some things that some might be offended by. But they just amuse me.

But I wouldn't want to ruin anyone's enjoyment of the conversations.

I would just like to point out that I was not one of the people slagging CConn off in threads, whenever I have called him something insulting it has been out loud to my computer screen only. :cwink:

but, i also just wanted to say that I agree with your point at the top of the page, the Sw thread does get boring when it's just images and talking about toys and models for the most part, there is nothing quite like a good SW debate, with all the rigmaroll that entails, because we all care about SW, and have strong opinions.
just as long as we don't act like we are big genuises who know it all, then it is all good. and i think i have mis-spelled genuises.

[roach]

i never understood why that bothered people in a series that featured mystical items, secret mystic cults, hearts being ripped out with bare hands, life rafts doubling as parachutes

[The_Raganork]

This is old:

I just watched the last episode of Clone Wars

Hated it for the depiction of Dooku being so out of control.

LOVED LOVED LOVED it for finally bringing some might to General Greivous. That's the kind of brutality I've been pining to see for so long. very good stuff with him.

however I wish they'd just kill Asajj already, haha. I'm glad she's had an arc but every time I see her it's kind of a reminder of how incompetent Dooku has been in the series thus far.

And only 3 episodes left? :(

[roach]

I would just like to point out that I was not one of the people slagging CConn off in threads, whenever I have called him something insulting it has been out loud to my computer screen only. :cwink:

but, i also just wanted to say that I agree with your point at the top of the page, the Sw thread does get boring when it's just images and talking about toys and models for the most part, there is nothing quite like a good SW debate, with all the rigmaroll that entails, because we all care about SW, and have strong opinions.
just as long as we don't act like we are big genuises who know it all, then it is all good. and i think i have mis-spelled genuises.

honestly the debating has gotten tiring to me. Because its nothing new. I get that people didn't like the prequels...but why do we have to hear about the same problems every 3 pages. I would much rather look at pictures, toys and models or discuss the TV show then have to listen to another person complain that George Lucas lost it. I used to get embroiled in these debates and I don't know if people noticed this but I lately have checked out of the thread when the prequel bashing starts.
I'd rather focus on what I like about Star Wars then what I don't like.

[Thebumwhowalks]

honestly the debating has gotten tiring to me. Because its nothing new. I get that people didn't like the prequels...but why do we have to hear about the same problems every 3 pages. I would much rather look at pictures, toys and models or discuss the TV show then have to listen to another person complain that George Lucas lost it. I used to get embroiled in these debates and I don't know if people noticed this but I lately have checked out of the thread when the prequel bashing starts.
I'd rather focus on what I like about Star Wars then what I don't like.

Well, that's one way of looking at it, to me, SW provides a valuable way of analyzing art, through comparing the PT to the OT, and how art can be affected by the slightest of changes, through the Special editions.
Like it or not, Sw fans are gonna be debating the pros and cons of the films until the end of time, that is part of what fandom is all about.
and, y'know, it also gets tiresome to hear folk complain about people debating, you don't have to get involved, you don't have to read the posts.

..........

and on a side note, i have to say that is the first time I have ever seen CConn getting a telling off from a moderator, despite him talking like this to myself, and other posters, every day for years. It's almost as if they knew a certain someone would be reading, and wanted them to think that this kind of thing is not tolerated or something.

[bullets]

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I've kept this as my desktop background a few times:up:


They really should make a movie directly based off of The Force Unleashed. It's be awesome.


That would be cool but maybe there's a chance they'll do it with the clone wars cartoon.


Who else wouldn't mind a Darth Maul movie now that his character is returning to the Clone Wars?



He's an awesome villain but not a character who could carry a film , imo.

[The Navigator]

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4070/image00001lv.jpg

That's a great poster. :up: :up:

[Hellion]

This is old:

I just watched the last episode of Clone Wars

Hated it for the depiction of Dooku being so out of control.

LOVED LOVED LOVED it for finally bringing some might to General Greivous. That's the kind of brutality I've been pining to see for so long. very good stuff with him.

however I wish they'd just kill Asajj already, haha. I'm glad she's had an arc but every time I see her it's kind of a reminder of how incompetent Dooku has been in the series thus far.

And only 3 episodes left? :(

Grievous and the droid army were actually a threat and quite competent/efficient against the Nightsisters...which I enjoyed personally...my opinion of course.......I wish we could see this Grievous and droid army against the Jedi...IMO they seem to have a, I'm not sure how to say it but maybe a plot induced stupidity/incompetence when faced against the jedi...

...I still want to see the insides of the Separatists movement...in Ep II Dooku told Obi-Wan the Republic was corrupt..., I really want to see why so many worlds joined Dooku, we've had a few eps featuring the Separatists Senators/Senate, I guess I wouldn't mind seeing some more politics from the Separatists Senators and maybe something from the Point of View of CIS citizens dealing with the Republic and the CW conflict...

[CConn]

Honestly, it would be kinda cool if they started making Star Wars DTV animated movies like DC does with Batman and Superman.

[OptimusPrime114]

Honestly, it would be kinda cool if they started making Star Wars DTV animated movies like DC does with Batman and Superman.

LIST OF POTENTIAL MOVIES:

Star Wars: Dark Empire
Star Wars: Dark Forces
Star Wars: Heir to the Empire
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Star Wars: X-Wing - Rogue Squadron

And yes, it would be cool if LFL did such movies. Since Mark Hamill has become the George Clooney of voice acting, why wouldn't he reprise the role of the son of Anakin Skywalker?

[Hunter Rider]

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Why don't you just make a separate thread for like pictures/whatever, and then one for debate?

I wouldn't think that overkill.

I mean, personally (no offense) I found the thread kinda boring until people started discussing story ideas and whatnot.

That would be fine with me, I think it might suit a variety of parties in this situation.

None taken, I like a good debate on current movies etc...and I liked the ideas for new stories for movies that could be made, but the whole "My prequel ideas are the bestest!" stuff quickly becomes the tiresome prequel bashing stuff which is circular and boring in my view.

Honestly, it would be kinda cool if they started making Star Wars DTV animated movies like DC does with Batman and Superman.

I've been saying this for a while, I'd really like to see the material on Obi Wan between ROTS and ANH used for a DTV animated series of movies.

[Obi-Ron]

... the whole "My prequel ideas are the bestest!" stuff quickly becomes the tiresome prequel bashing stuff which is circular and boring in my view.


And just like all other forms of fanfic, I am completely uninterested in how someone would "improve" someone else's already-implemented ideas. I say, "If you're such a talented storyteller, make your own damn movie!" :argh:

Got no time for no fanboy jibber-jabber! :BA

[OptimusPrime114]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs38/i/2008/364/7/d/Her_Faith_Rewarded_by_Jokerisdaking.jpg

Please tell me Anakin wasn't thinking of Padme when he turned his back on the dark side, saved his son and killed the Emperor?

[The_Raganork]

I read once this great story, a recount of that scene and it said something like this:

"He watched the cracked lightning destroy everything he had ever dreamed of. The flash before his eyes, Windu, Yoda, Kenobi and Padme.

'Father's please!' the screams of a boy trapped in a man's body, the look in his eyes. The same look of cracked crystal he saw before. In his mind he played her words over and over again.

'You're breaking my heart'

He looked over at the glee in the old wretched face. So much Palpatine had promised him, the entire galaxy at their fingertips and the one thing he wanted most he had let die and here and now, the one thing he needed most Palpatine was destroying.

Vader looked back at the boy and something stirred in him that he hadn't felt in a very long time. Like the heartbeat of a person long dead and then, from nothingness something came to him. Suddenly in that instance he could smell the summer and grass of Naboo.

In that moment he knew what to do."

[danoyse]

Meh, I'm accustomed to people *****ing about SW...I've been hearing it since ESB.

Yes, the almighty ESB got some of the same complaints as the PT. I remember people *****ing non-stop about how Lucas was obsessed with special effects and muppets. If there had been an internet in 1980, some of the posts about Yoda would shock people today.

Yep, that's true.

I was sorting through some old SW books/comics/magazines last week, and I found a copy of an October 1981 issue of Starlog that has an interview with Lawrence Kasdan going off on how disappointed he was with ESB:

"When Kasdan's script was put before the cameras, his imprint became even more diluted. After seeing the finished film in the spring of 1980, Kasdan became disappointed by of the same Empire components that bothered other Star Wars fans."

That's not a typo. There were complaints about Empire. :wow:

The article continues:

"One such factor was C3PO's evolution from an intelligent sidekick to a whining buffoon. "It was almost a built-in problem with George's design for Empire that C3PO wouldn't be able to come off well," Kasdan observes. "C3PO didn't really have anything to do, so I tried to keep his lines in my script to a minimum. I had C3PO being a little more intelligent. Yet, due to Empire's structure, I'm afraid that even in my script, C3PO was superflulous.

Then, to make matters worse, we had to give C3PO more dialogue during looping. That wasn't a good idea, because everything C3PO said made him sound like a cranky nag, simply because he wasn't integral to the story."

And Chewbacca wasn't off the hook either:

"What disappointed me even more than C3PO was what happened with Chewbacca. I had had the idea that Chewie would have a real emotional response to Han's courtship of Leia, that it meant something to his relationship with Han. Some of that good stuff was filmed, but it got eliminated when editing choices had to be made. At least Chewie's character development originally had some dynamics, but C3PO's never did."

Neither has Han and Leia:

"Han and Leia's relationship is not at all what I envisioned," says Kasdan. "I could be the only person who feels this way, but I thought that their romance had a touch of falseness about it. Han and Leia's scenes were among what I was proudest of in my script, but they barely remained. Their being changed had a lot to do with the circumstances of filming, Kershner, and the actors' feelings about doing their roles again. I'm thrilled Harrison Ford in Raiders, because I was one of the people who wasn't crazy about him in Empire. In Raiders, he's shockingly good."

Yoda, in trouble he was:

"Another complaint some Star Wars enthusiasts had about Empire concerned the sequence in which Yoda lifed Luke Skywalker's fighter out of the swamp. As David Gerrold pointed out in Starlog #38, if Yoda is truly a master of teach the ways of the the Force, he would know that it would be a more valuable lesson to Luke to, after lifting the fighter, let the spacecraft drop back into the bog, leaving it there until Luke himself figured it out. As Gerrold also mentioned, however, perhaps that scene was to clue us in that Luke cannot become a Jedi."

The article did mention that Kasdan has signed on to write Revenge of the Jedi, so hopefully he'll fix all of that stuff. :oldrazz:

The magazine also said that there's a Batman movie in the works. Can't wait to see that either. :up:

[The_Raganork]

interesting.

[Hunter Rider]

And just like all other forms of fanfic, I am completely uninterested in how someone would "improve" someone else's already-implemented ideas. I say, "If you're such a talented storyteller, make your own damn movie!" :argh:

Got no time for no fanboy jibber-jabber! :BA

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/721/artworks000008715670nv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/196/artworks000008715670nv0.jpg/)

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs38/i/2008/364/7/d/Her_Faith_Rewarded_by_Jokerisdaking.jpg

Please tell me Anakin wasn't thinking of Padme when he turned his back on the dark side, saved his son and killed the Emperor?

I read once this great story, a recount of that scene and it said something like this:

"He watched the cracked lightning destroy everything he had ever dreamed of. The flash before his eyes, Windu, Yoda, Kenobi and Padme.

'Father's please!' the screams of a boy trapped in a man's body, the look in his eyes. The same look of cracked crystal he saw before. In his mind he played her words over and over again.

'You're breaking my heart'

He looked over at the glee in the old wretched face. So much Palpatine had promised him, the entire galaxy at their fingertips and the one thing he wanted most he had let die and here and now, the one thing he needed most Palpatine was destroying.

Vader looked back at the boy and something stirred in him that he hadn't felt in a very long time. Like the heartbeat of a person long dead and then, from nothingness something came to him. Suddenly in that instance he could smell the summer and grass of Naboo.

In that moment he knew what to do."

Great stuff! this piece of art goes with the ROTJ art and the story.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3210/ruminations.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/ruminations.jpg/)

[Marvolo]

Yep, that's true.

I was sorting through some old SW books/comics/magazines last week, and I found a copy of an October 1981 issue of Starlog that has an interview with Lawrence Kasdan going off on how disappointed he was with ESB:



That's not a typo. There were complaints about Empire. :wow:

The article continues:



And Chewbacca wasn't off the hook either:



Neither has Han and Leia:



Yoda, in trouble he was:



The article did mention that Kasdan has signed on to write Revenge of the Jedi, so hopefully he'll fix all of that stuff. :oldrazz:

The magazine also said that there's a Batman movie in the works. Can't wait to see that either. :up:

Chewie's relationship and friendship with Han started out as a life debt. Later on a friendship to end all friendship developed, but Chewie always held onto that debt that he owed Han. He would not get jealous over Leia, because that would directly compromise his ability to repay the life debt. It would cloud his decisions which he wouldn't allow. And wookies are very serious about repaying those debts. Now I doubt that part of their back-story was known at the time, but given that we know it now there was perfectly good reason to cut that subplot. Thank god, Kasdan didn't get his way. I much prefer the Chewie we got to a jealous one brooding cause he's not getting as much attention from Han. It would have been all too human of an emotion for a wookiee to display. But this is just me everyone feel free to disagree with me.

Chewiee and Han are the 2 character's in the Star Wars saga that I consider perfect, and I wouldn't change a thing about it.

And I just read that the average lifespan of a Wookiee is 600 years!:wow: How old was Chewie?

[OptimusPrime114]

He was 175 when the damn Vong took his life.

[Matt Mortem]

What?

[Marvolo]

He was 175 when the damn Vong took his life.

Chewie's death hit me harder than any other literary or movie character's death. It's so heroic, honorable, and absolutely tragic all at once.:csad: I however find solace in the fact it took a freakin moon to kill him, and he stood there yelling at it like a boss.

[Kurosawa]

No doubt he was thinking of her. She was in his mind from the second he met her in Watto's shop until the moment he died. Plus, Luke was all he had left of her, and despite the whining, Luke actually takes mostly after his mother, and Leia takes more after Anakin.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyb0vvWqBM1qzyvneo1_500.jpg

[GuardianofOa]

Chewie's death hit me harder than any other literary or movie character's death. It's so heroic, honorable, and absolutely tragic all at once.:csad: I however find solace in the fact it took a freakin moon to kill him, and he stood there yelling at it like a boss.

Well put, sir.

[Mogwai]

that's a great pic.

[OptimusPrime114]

No doubt he was thinking of her. She was in his mind from the second he met her in Watto's shop until the moment he died. Plus, Luke was all he had left of her, and despite the whining, Luke actually takes mostly after his mother, and Leia takes more after Anakin.

Luke, like Padme, did believe there was good left in Anakin.

But how does Leia take after Anakin if she inherits a lot of her mother's traits?

[GuardianofOa]

There a thread where we can show our swag? I'd like to see what everyone has.

[Hunter Rider]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1389/arthendrickson.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/arthendrickson.jpg/)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5769/artjake.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/artjake.jpg/)

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6372/artmangue.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/artmangue.jpg/)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4814/betrayalbencurtisnewrs.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/betrayalbencurtisnewrs.jpg/)

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8400/bobafettwantedbymjfletc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/bobafettwantedbymjfletc.jpg/)

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1540/gouldartbg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/192/gouldartbg.jpg/)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6052/maellc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/maellc5.jpg/)


There a thread where we can show our swag? I'd like to see what everyone has.


This thread.

[Mandalore464]

Hunter's probably posted some of these already (cause he's posted every single star wars pic EVER MADE already) but here's another batch of pics I like :

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1262/starwarsdarthtalonbyter.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/starwarsdarthtalonbyter.jpg/)

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9282/lukeskywalkerbytereseni.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/lukeskywalkerbytereseni.jpg/)

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/102/bobafettbyteresenielsen.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/bobafettbyteresenielsen.jpg/)

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6576/e8c33d49b9dcd30b863f288.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/e8c33d49b9dcd30b863f288.jpg/)

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/6720/854065f66e886b789b8be7c.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/862/854065f66e886b789b8be7c.jpg/)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5397/halfasquadbycorranfett.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46/halfasquadbycorranfett.jpg/)

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9499/marajadeskywalkerbywrai.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/marajadeskywalkerbywrai.jpg/)

[Bim]

however I wish they'd just kill Asajj already, haha. I'm glad she's had an arc but every time I see her it's kind of a reminder of how incompetent Dooku has been in the series thus far.

NooOoOOo. They cant kill the bald psycho yet! I love her lol.

danoyse: does it really surprise you there were complaints about ESB? people have always *****ed about SW, it isnt just the PT that have that issue :hehe:

Chewie's death hit me harder than any other literary or movie character's death. It's so heroic, honorable, and absolutely tragic all at once.:csad: I however find solace in the fact it took a freakin moon to kill him, and he stood there yelling at it like a boss.
I'm still in denial that happened :csad:

Ok so i have a debt i must pay before the bounty HUNTER (Rider) puts a bounty on my head :oldrazz: regarding the book "Dressing a Galaxy". It explores all of SW fashion, but especially the PT (although there's OT stuff). I took way too many pics, so i'll be posting them for the next month lol. It's a real shame that the costumes got overlooked come award season time, because they are detailed and exquisite. Trisha Biggar did a heck of a job.

Cover
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8683.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8684.jpg


When you open it, you find this: the book itself to the right, Wookie belt buckle, dvd, certificate of authenticity and a sample of Vader's cape :woot:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8685.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8686.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8687.jpg

[Mandalore464]

Actually if I'm not mistaken, the book not always contained a piece of Vader's cape but also pieces of other SW costumes

[Bim]

Actually if I'm not mistaken, the book not always contained a piece of Vader's cape but also pieces of other SW costumes
I'm getting to that :cwink:

Episodes I-III costume fabrics sample booklet:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8688.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8689.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8691.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8692.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8693.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8694.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8695.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8696.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8697.jpg

[Mandalore464]

Beautiful costumes. I always loved Palpatine's gray robe at the beginning of episode III.

Once moooore the pics will ruuuuule this thread. And we shall have... peace.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5343/1et2e.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/1et2e.jpg/)

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3141/8530b.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/8530b.jpg/)

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/337/dagobah20bo20hampton.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/684/dagobah20bo20hampton.jpg/)

(by Bo Hampton)



http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5387/imperialwalkerbyradojavu.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/192/imperialwalkerbyradojavu.jpg/)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5484/republiccruiserbyradoja.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/republiccruiserbyradoja.jpg/)

The last two are from an artist called Rado Javor. His art is not all SW related (actually these were the only two pieces I could find), but everything he does is stunning. Check it out.

[Hunter Rider]

Fantastic scans Bim. :bow: It's interesting to see the original concept for Zam's outfit.

Hunter's probably posted some of these already (cause he's posted every single star wars pic EVER MADE already) but here's another batch of pics I like :
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9282/lukeskywalkerbytereseni.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/lukeskywalkerbytereseni.jpg/)

:funny: Other than the pic of Mandalore the Ultimate I'd not posted any of those, I really love this Luke one in the Republic armour.

[Mandalore464]

Can you spot Waldo? (And Jedi Batman? And a Lego character? T-800? etc etc...)

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3249/whereiswaldostarwars2.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/whereiswaldostarwars2.jpg/)

[Bim]

There's another booklet about costumes for the digital characters, but i'll skip that for now. Let's get to the book itself:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8702.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8703.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8705.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8706.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8707.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8708.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8709.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8710.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8711.jpg



I'm limited to 10 pics per post though :csad:, so this will take a while lol. It's why i'll split it into different posts for the next few days. There's so much in this book!

I see jedi Batman lol.

[Mandalore464]

Beautiful pictures.

[Marx]

No doubt he was thinking of her. She was in his mind from the second he met her in Watto's shop until the moment he died. Plus, Luke was all he had left of her, and despite the whining, Luke actually takes mostly after his mother, and Leia takes more after Anakin.

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyb0vvWqBM1qzyvneo1_500.jpg

I absolutely LOVE this picture. :up:

[Bim]

As long as you're enjoying them, i'll post a few more lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8712.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8714.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8715.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8716.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8717.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8718.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8719.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8720.jpg

Coming up next...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8722.jpg
... and some pictures of OT costumes :woot:

[Tonicky]

Chewie's death hit me harder than any other literary or movie character's death. It's so heroic, honorable, and absolutely tragic all at once.:csad: I however find solace in the fact it took a freakin moon to kill him, and he stood there yelling at it like a boss.

I told a friend that he died and she acted like she just heard a pet died.
He was a pretty amazing character.

[Hunter Rider]

Wonderful pics Bim. :) Jedi attire looks so comfy. :D

[Hunter Rider]

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5653/sandac5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/sandac5.jpg/)

[Destructus86]

That last ep of Clone Wars...WOW...freaking intense.

[Tonicky]

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5653/sandac5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/sandac5.jpg/)

Guys we totally blend in- Han

That last ep of Clone Wars...WOW...freaking intense.

Yup and the CIS actually won a battle!!

[Marvolo]

I told a friend that he died and she acted like she just heard a pet died.
He was a pretty amazing character.

Yeah I know how she felt. Star wars has been in my life since as far back as I can remember. I was a toddler the first time I was introduced to it so the characters have always been in my life and Chewie was my favorite. He's strong, protective, caring, and just made me feel all happy and safe. Reading about his death gutted me. I wouldn't even touch the EU after I found out, and to this day I'm still trying to read it, but haven't been able to yet. Chewie for me is a part of why I love Star Wars. Without him somethings missing and the galaxy seems a lot darker.

It was a brilliant move by the author to really hit home that anything can happen and no one is safe, but it was a brutal move.

[Bim]

Wonderful pics Bim. Jedi attire looks so comfy.
Indeed! Although there's too much fabric for my taste. Getting in and out of that must have been a nightmare lol.

Here's a few more for ya *wink wink*. Not so comfy, but great looking royal gowns:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8724.jpg
Yeah, those are paper dolls lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8725.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8732.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8727.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8728.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8729.jpg
Handmaidens!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8730.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8731.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8733.jpg

Coming next time...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8734.jpg

That last ep of Clone Wars...WOW...freaking intense.
Yeah! I'm really excited for the rest of the season too, i think we're going to have jam packed episodes.

Guys we totally blend in- Han
LOL i think the only one who could sneak by would be Yoda, and that's due to his size.

[Marx]

...keep the pics coming Bim! :up:

[Spider-Gnome]

Yep, that's true.

I was sorting through some old SW books/comics/magazines last week, and I found a copy of an October 1981 issue of Starlog that has an interview with Lawrence Kasdan going off on how disappointed he was with ESB:
Wow, danoyse! You and I must think alike, miss! When Kurosawa made that post about complaints in 1980 about Empire, Starlog was exactly what I thought of!

In fact:



"Another complaint some Star Wars enthusiasts had about Empire concerned the sequence in which Yoda lifed Luke Skywalker's fighter out of the swamp. As David Gerrold pointed out in Starlog #38, if Yoda is truly a master of teach the ways of the the Force, he would know that it would be a more valuable lesson to Luke to, after lifting the fighter, let the spacecraft drop back into the bog, leaving it there until Luke himself figured it out. As Gerrold also mentioned, however, perhaps that scene was to clue us in that Luke cannot become a Jedi."

That was exactly the issue & article I thought about! I may dig it out and see what else was said!

[Spider-Gnome]

Okay here's some points from "The Empire Strikes Out" by David Gerrold from Starlog #38 September 1980:

"Han Solo maneuvers the Millennium Falcon into a hole in an asteroid to hide while he makes repairs. Princess Leia sees something outside the ship. They go out to investigate -- wearing only oxygen masks. No spacesuits. They explore the inside of the tunnel they are in, walking around the ship -- walking?!!""The Empire Strikes Back may be told against an epic background but it doesn't quite have that same epic quality. Nor does it have a McGuffin. And that may be the reason why it doesn't have the same mythic feeling. All the chasing and racing is very exciting, but it doesn't seem to have a larger purpose. Where before we were made aware that these events were one small part of a larger rebellion, now it seems as if everything revolves around Darth Vader versus Luke Skywalker. The focus has been narrowed. The rest of the battles are therefore trivialized by comparison, in the sense of epic is weakened.""Structurally, the film is flawed by its need to imitate its predecessors "formula" of fast-paced cross-cutting. We cut back and forth between Luke and Yoda on Dagobah and Leia and Han in the asteroids, and the time sense of both sets are events is distorted. How long were Han and Leia fleeing? How long is Luke studying?

"Why not stay with Han and Leia until they leave the asteroid and head for the Bespin system, then cut to Luke arriving at Dagobah and stay with him until he leaves?""Because the film now runs at such a fast pace throughout its entire length, it can't build to an additional peak of excitement at the end when Luke finally confronts Darth Vader. It's an exciting fight, yes -- but we're already at out peaks, we can't get any more excited -- and darn it, we should.

"The fight should be a climax, and it isn't, and that's one of the reasons why we're left feeling just a bit unsatisfied.

"The other one: Yoda. I like him. It. Whatever. Cute. Zen can be cuddly. But if he's a Jedi master, then the galaxy is in worse trouble than we thought."The article then goes on about Yoda not having Luke raise the X-Wing himself, as mentioned in danoyse's post.

I remember that article making my little 15 year-old blood boil!

[The_Raganork]

wow...that's just very silly.

[Matt Mortem]

IMO Empire is perfect. I don't see any flaws in it. I love that movie with all my little heart.

[The_Raganork]

I don't think I've ever complained about any aspect of Empire, to be honest. Maybe only that I wanted more. All the deleted scenes need to be put back in.

such a great film and one of the best (if not the best) depictions of a villain in film.

[The Navigator]

Okay here's some points from "The Empire Strikes Out" by David Gerrold from Starlog #38 September 1980:

The article then goes on about Yoda not having Luke raise the X-Wing himself, as mentioned in danoyse's post.

I remember that article making my little 15 year-old blood boil!

3/4 of the quoted article is nonsense. (Yeah, the oxygen masks, fine, whatever) Why would we cut to Luke and stay with him after the asteroid field? It still wouldn't solve how long either group stays at their location, and the movie would slow to a crawl. How does the chasing and racing "not have a purpose"? If Vader can't find Luke, he'll capture his friends to draw Luke to him--a fact they explain pretty concretely between Luke and Yoda. And how is the final fight not a climax?! It's the point the whole movie was drawing to and the resolution of Luke trying to avenge his father, aunt and uncle from the first film!

:argh:

[Infinity9999x]

Hmm. I wonder if this guy still holds those views today, despite ESB being highly regarded as the best of the series.

[Drizzle]

Wasn't Empire not as warmly recieved when it first came out? Wasn't it more appreciated over time?

[Infinity9999x]

Wasn't Empire not as warmly recieved when it first came out? Wasn't it more appreciated over time?

That's what I've read before as well. I guess a lot of people weren't happy with the cliffhanger ending and things like that.

[8wid]

I updated my prequel rewrite summary to change around the role of the villains from Mandalorians to insane clones of Jedi Knights.


A sorcerer/mad scientist who serves the Dark Side has somehow found out the secret of cloning, and makes clones of several murdered Jedi Knights to lead enslaved worlds in an insurrection against the Republic. Jedi Knights are as strong as superheroes in the Galaxy and strong enought to control their own army. They will be stormtroopers flying in Star Destroyers. In response, the real Jedi Knights and the Galactic Senate form a volunteer army to combat the invaders. The sorcerer is after one of the rare treasures of the Jedi Knights, the Kaiber crystal. Because of it's peaceful nature, care has been given to King Bail Organa of Alderaan to guard over it. The crystal, is an unlimited fuel source for a fleet of ships and can make a Force wielder almost invincible. This conflict will become known as the Clone Wars.

Upon hearing of the war's start, a seventeen year old refugee on the backwater world of Tatooine named Anakin Skywalker runs away from his brother Owen's farm to join the Galactic Star Fleet. Both of his parents were killed by the sorcerer Mandolorian in a massacre that nearly anihilated the agricultural world where he and Owen once lived. He wishes to avenge their deaths and is especially fond of the stories of a certain thirty-five year old general named Ben Kenobi who is the youngest in his ranks.

After several years of training, Anakin becomes quite a skilled pilot and one of his maneuvers saves Alderaan from invasion by the Jedi clones who killed his parents. For his bravery, he is recognized by King Bail Organa and General Ben "Obi-Wan" Kenobi in a ceremony. General Kenobi notices how strong Anakin is in the Force and takes him on as his apprentice to help him achieve his goal of winning the war. Yoda would've advised against it because Anakin was too bitter and angry, and being a general in war Obi-Wan could not devote all the time he needed to to train his apprentice. The two retrace the path of the clone fleet to a top secret cloning facility in the Outer Rim where and the secret behind the mystery Jedi is revealed.

By the second film, the war is going badly for the Republic, despite the destruction of the clone facility at the hands of General Kenobi and Anakin. More worlds are captured and a massive invasion overruns the Republic. Anakin has married the senator of Alderaan, who would have appeared in the first film, and at the time of their honeymoon, she kidnapped by the cloned Jedi general. The Kaiber crystal has since been hidden on a volcanic planet by Lady Skywalker, its guardian. Ben has neglected Anakin's training due to the war and misses the surprise attack on the palace which results in Lady Arcadia being kidnapped. Master and apprentice pick up the trail of the senator together searching for the source of the new clones too, fighting many units along the way.

Eventually, the two friends manage to track the Jedi clone to the right planet where he is trying to force Lady Skywalker into the protection chamber of the magic crystal. Both Jedi engage him, but Anakin acts on rage and tries to kill the clone in cold blood. Fearing his apprentice will fall to the Dark Side if he does, Ben directly intervenes with his lightsaber and accidentally knocks an irrate Anakin down. He tries to block Anakin from fighting on, and causes Anakin to think he has betrayed him. The clone escapes and Anakin is furious at the assumption his master has betrayed him to steal the glory kill for himself. Both Jedi duel dangerously close to a volcano erupting around them and Ben ACCIDENTALLY knocks his apprentice into a molten pit leaving him near dead and totally scarred. Due to the dangerous volcano, Republic forces retreat into hyperspace and the crystal is lost to Imperial forces, the war with it as well.

About nine months later, the war has turned on the Republic even more and the Galaxy's infrastructure has been almost utterly destroyed. Strangely many of the Jedi leaders have been mysteriously killed in the short amount of time, like before, but no new clones have appeared. In the time between movies, as Ben grieves the apparent death of his apprentice at his hands, he leads a raid on a prison planet where Lady Skywalker has been held and rescues her, killing the evil clone who took her in reprisal. To his surprise he finds that she is pregnant with Anakin's child and she is taken to Galactic City (Coruscant) away from the fighting. Ben then gets visions through the Force of a new rising evil behind the scenes and speculates his apprentice may be alive.

The Jedi Elders meet secretly, but are all eliminated by a mysterious dark cloaked assasin. As Ben probably goes to Degobah to meet with Yoda about the death of his apprentice, he senses the sudden murder of thousands of Jedi at the hands of a single bladed assassin. In a surprise attack, Imperial forces storm Galactic City and surround it. Several senators are arrested and imprisoned in the Presidential palace, including Lady Skywalker. Jedi Knights respond to the Emperor's challenge to rescue the capital, and some return to their home world for an emergecny session.

Ben senses an even grander conspiracy to overthrow the Republic, he teams up with King Bail to rescue Lady Skywalker and then sneaks her to the Jedi homeworld where he thinks she will be safe. In secret he heads to the Jedi homeworld where the Jedi are just returning home from combat. Legions of stormtroopers under the leadership of a familiar dark robed cyborg march in and open fire, killing most after a long, drawn out battle.

Ben and a psuedo-Vader, who is only wearing a breathing mask and the cloak at this point, duel. During it, while Anakin is physically unrecognizable, Ben senses his identiy and finds out that his apprentice has been injured but also become a Manchurian candidate of sorts after secret military experiments by the Imperial forces made him into a cyborg after he fell into the molten pit where he was burned alive and kept alive in a secret labratory run by Republic black ops. A group of secrety conspiring military leaders and big business interests secretly started the war in the hopes of turning the Republic into a police state, with the the Senate President at the helm. Vader is a mix of being, brain injured, brainwashed, and ignorant from being kept isolated by his bosses. He has been convinced that Ben tried to kill him on the volcanic world to take the glory of recovering the Kaiber crystal for himself and in jealously of his apprentice's great abilities.

Lady Arcadia who was on site of the attack and was exposed to a near lethal dosage of radiation during the fighting, gives birth to Luke and Leia in secret on Alderaan, but does not die and is instead disguised as a maidservant to work in the palace of King Bail under his medical care. She will die about the time Luke and Leia turn three so that Leia has some memory of her.

Ben takes Luke to Anakin's brother Owen on Tatooine out of guilt for causing Anakin to first run away because of his delusions of grandier years before and for having further broken up the Skywalker family, but failing his training and permanently destroying him on the volcanic planet. He will also make sure Anakin's dream that his son gets training in the Force comes true.

With his victory complete, the Emperor gathers his clone Jedi generals for a celebration ending the war, where they are all slaughtered and disposed of by Lord Vader. Instead they are replaced by non-Force users as grand moffs. Through a twenty year period of reconstruction, civil war, and nationalization of commerce in the galaxy, the new Galactic Empire's growing central authority will slowly continue to control all ways of life until the Imperial Senate is abolished and regional governors take their place about the time a newly finished Death Star is ready to enforce their tyrannical rule. But we already know how that's going to work out for them...

[AnneFan]

I don't think I've ever complained about any aspect of Empire, to be honest. Maybe only that I wanted more. All the deleted scenes need to be put back in.

such a great film and one of the best (if not the best) depictions of a villain in film.

Indeed. Empire is excellent. It's such a great time in the galaxy story wise. Vader is on the warpath. The good guys are starting to fight back. Bounty hunters are out and about fulfilling demands, taking advantage of it all. People are running and hiding. Certainly lends itself to mystery and danger.

[Punisher Rising]

Quick question, does the Blu-ray set port over all of the special features from past DVD versions or no? If not, I'll have to get the prequels on DVD as well for the full special features package.

[Hunter Rider]

Quick question, does the Blu-ray set port over all of the special features from past DVD versions or no? If not, I'll have to get the prequels on DVD as well for the full special features package.

I'm pretty sure they are different extras.

[Mandalore464]

I'm pretty sure they are different extras.

Yep they're 100% different, even the deleted scenes are all new.

[OptimusPrime114]

Three New SW: EG To Warfare Images

http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/Three_New_SW_EG_To_Warfare_Images_143980.asp

Clone Wars era Sector Armies map

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/418476_10150651630048713_67519418712_9001209_14704 70190_n.jpg

Jedi Grandmaster Luke Skywalker and chief of state Daala don't see eye to eye.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/429402_10150651630143713_67519418712_9001210_11014 28496_n.jpg

Lando pulls off his little manuever at Taanab.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425861_10150651630218713_67519418712_9001211_16719 17290_n.jpg

[Bim]

...keep the pics coming Bim!
All righty then!

Here's some more:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8735.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8736.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8737.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8738.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8739.jpg

Here's some OT costumes. There's plenty more, but i didnt take pics of all of them. It's another booklet within the book.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8740.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8741.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8742.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8743.jpg

Coming up next...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8744.jpg

I must say for every pic i post there's plenty more that i left out. This book is truly wonderful. Pricey, but well worth it for a geek like moi lol.

[Dark_Lord]

Here are a few pics of my Jedi Knight character from TOR, who became a Jedi Master yesterday! I haven't resized the pics, so I put them in spoiler tags. For those wondering, that is Satele Shan next to me (final pic).


http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4277/screenshot2012021801503.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/126/screenshot2012021801510.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6987/screenshot2012022815550.jpg
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/790/screenshot2012022903464.jpg

[Young Superman]

Three New SW: EG To Warfare Images

http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/Three_New_SW_EG_To_Warfare_Images_143980.asp

Clone Wars era Sector Armies map

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/418476_10150651630048713_67519418712_9001209_14704 70190_n.jpg

Jedi Grandmaster Luke Skywalker and chief of state Daala don't see eye to eye.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/429402_10150651630143713_67519418712_9001210_11014 28496_n.jpg

Lando pulls off his little manuever at Taanab.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425861_10150651630218713_67519418712_9001211_16719 17290_n.jpg

These are great!

[Kurosawa]

Luke, like Padme, did believe there was good left in Anakin.

But how does Leia take after Anakin if she inherits a lot of her mother's traits?

Leia has Anakin's anger, sarcasm and arrogance traits. Luke has the anger but that's about it. He has much more of Padme's compassion, plus unlike either of them, Luke learns humility. When Yoda told Luke that running off to face Vader was a mistake because he was not ready for the burden of knowing Vader is his father, Luke replied by apologizing and acknowledging that Yoda was right. He surpassed his father right then. He learned the lessons that Anakin just could not learn.

Oh, on the subject of Empire: it got mixed reviews when it first came out, and generally was regarded as not being as good as Star Wars. Although admittedly a small sample size, reviews from 1980 ranked ESB 52% "fresh" on the tomatometer before more modern reviews are figured in. So yes, Empire is one of those films that has gained support over the years.

[Monsieur Xavier]

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5653/sandac5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/sandac5.jpg/)


I can't find Charlie (

[Hunter Rider]

Lando pulls off his little manuever at Taanab

:woot: :up:

All righty then!

Here's some more:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Veloz/My%20SW%20stuff/Star%20Wars%20books/Dressing%20a%20Galaxy/IMG_8739.jpg

All great pics Bim. :up: The book is a beaut. This one really caught my eye though as I've never seen a Clone trooper (one on the left) with that design before.

Here are a few pics of my Jedi Knight character from TOR, who became a Jedi Master yesterday! I haven't resized the pics, so I put them in spoiler tags. For those wondering, that is Satele Shan next to me (final pic).


http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4277/screenshot2012021801503.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/126/screenshot2012021801510.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6987/screenshot2012022815550.jpg
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/790/screenshot2012022903464.jpg

Really like the Jedi robes you chose. :up: