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Hunter Rider
03-11-2012, 02:05 PM
Rather than 'take out' I should have said 'make as cool as should have been'. He's a 4-armed cyborg Jedi-Hunter. He really should have been as awesome as the Sith Lords Maul, Dooku etc. I was looking for a 9 or 10 & I got like a 6.8.
I wanted him to be scary & intense but some comedy elements lessened that for me. I also wanted to see some crazy multi-limbed fighting skills (like Kali from Golden Voyage of Sinbad) with 4 light sabers especially given how good Darth Maul was with a double-bladed light saber. I can see how he could be a highlight for others but I guess my expectations were too high for him before the film.
I remember them saying they made a mistake giving him 4 arms as it was impossible to choreograph a fight with them, that's why Obi Wan cuts 2 off almost immediately.
I actually liked his pre-Grievous design better that they showed the concept art of, and I'd have liked a scene like the one below that showed how deadly he was, he really lacked overall menace in ROTS IMO.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4945/433635grievousvsclonetr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19/433635grievousvsclonetr.jpg/)
Hah.
I meant, it would've been cool to see all three (or four, if you count Dooku) all together for 3 movies.
I prefer Sidious's more demoir version of himself.
Gotcha, I'd have liked to see Jango survive into ROTS, his reaction to Order 66 would have been an interesting part of the Fett arc.
CConn
03-11-2012, 02:19 PM
Yeah, there really wasn't any real need for him to die in AOTC.
Except for how they'd explain how he was involved in the whole cloning thing. :o
OptimusPrime114
03-11-2012, 02:43 PM
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OptimusPrime114
03-11-2012, 02:45 PM
Yeah, there really wasn't any real need for him to die in AOTC.
Except for how they'd explain how he was involved in the whole cloning thing. :o
The video game Star Wars: Bounty Hunter explains how he was involved.
CConn
03-11-2012, 02:50 PM
The video game Star Wars: Bounty Hunter explains how he was involved.
That's not What I mean.
I don't mean explained to the us, I mean how anyone in the Star Wars universe would take to the originator of the clone army being a turncoat.
Doctor Jones
03-11-2012, 03:33 PM
Well I loved Maul's portrayal in his return. Very Gollum like. It's quite disturbing and sad. Love the mechanical spider half of him.
Hunter Rider
03-11-2012, 03:39 PM
That's not What I mean.
I don't mean explained to the us, I mean how anyone in the Star Wars universe would take to the originator of the clone army being a turncoat.
Jango was a mercenary, his services went to the highest bidder, had he been captured and then did a deal with Palpatine to be released under the condition that he would help train and lead a platoon of Clones, I think it would have been interesting, as obviously the Jedi would not be trusting of him, but war makes for uneasy alliances.
Iceman
03-11-2012, 04:07 PM
I remember them saying they made a mistake giving him 4 arms as it was impossible to choreograph a fight with them, that's why Obi Wan cuts 2 off almost immediately.
I actually liked his pre-Grievous design better that they showed the concept art of, and I'd have liked a scene like the one below that showed how deadly he was, he really lacked overall menace in ROTS IMO.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4945/433635grievousvsclonetr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19/433635grievousvsclonetr.jpg/)I don't really understand why as they did so well with the choreography on the 2 on 1 Darth Maul double-bladed fight. The fight I mentioned before is a 6 armed statue against a whole crew of sailors from 1974: ROssbvtE41U
They're talking about one actor/stunt man against one CGI creation with which they have a lot of freedom. If you take out the 4 arm complexity it surely doesn't get any easier than that after 6 films of doing light saber fights. So the addition of the extra 2 arms takes it from simple to impossible?
Anyway I'm not in the business so I won't say too much on it but when I read about the battles that were going to happen on ROTS the Obi-Wan VS Grievous looked awesome in my mind lol. When the fight started I was ready for something to blow me away and when those 2 light sabers got cut off straightaway you should have seen my face! I mean it's fine for them to be cut off later on, just give me at least 15-20 seconds of non-automated freeflow 4 light saber Grievous. :word:
That's a good image. He needs to look extra deadly as he has green/blue rather than red light sabers. If I'd seen him kill something (preferably Jedi) it might have helped.
AnneFan
03-11-2012, 09:02 PM
I've always kinda felt Lucas hurt the overall quality of all the villains by having them all only appear in one movie.
If they could've had Sidious, Maul, and Grevious in all 3 movies, it would've been awesome.
I agree with that. Given Vader was the replacement for these guys, Maul and Dooku, they had to die at some point I guess. But Maul was well received by the fanbase, and returning in AOTC, (perhaps still killing Qui Gon but slinking away from the fight, still Sidious' apprentice) would've been pretty cool. Would've made him more of an icon than he is now. Dooku still present but more of a shadowy figure being used by Sidious?
Tonicky
03-12-2012, 12:45 AM
I don't really understand why as they did so well with the choreography on the 2 on 1 Darth Maul double-bladed fight. The fight I mentioned before is a 6 armed statue against a whole crew of sailors from 1974: ROssbvtE41U
Those guys don't give up lol...looked like they died several times.
So Grievous really only showed his awesomeness in the comics and original tv show...Hasn't he only killed one jedi in the current series?
Bruce Malone
03-12-2012, 01:59 AM
How do you guys feel that the highest grossing out of all the star wars films and the only one to cross a billion (now with the re-release) is the phantom menace? considering most star wars fans consider it the weakest in the series.
Marvolo
03-12-2012, 02:29 AM
How do you guys feel that the highest grossing out of all the star wars films and the only one to cross a billion (now with the re-release) is the phantom menace? considering most star wars fans consider it the weakest in the series.
I tend to avoid equating quality and box office. There are plenty of low quality films that have taken in more money than they deserve and vice versa. TPM is one of the most anticipated films in the history of film possibly THE most anticipated. Its box office and strong opening reflects that fact. Take away that crazy hype and the film would have performed more like AOTC and ROTS.
That's just my take on it tho. TPMs boxoffice had more to do with its insane hype than being any kind of indicator of its quality.
Thoix
03-12-2012, 05:00 AM
How do you guys feel that the highest grossing out of all the star wars films and the only one to cross a billion (now with the re-release) is the phantom menace? considering most star wars fans consider it the weakest in the series.Don't really care, I like all six film almost equally. That being said, ANH will retake it's throne in about three years.
OptimusPrime114
03-12-2012, 07:42 AM
When it comes to all six movies, I'm like Professor X: I like classics and prequels equally.
marvelman2006
03-12-2012, 08:04 AM
Heres something I dont get with the plot hole in the clone wars as compared to the movies. In phantom menace kenobi never knew mauls name other then he was some mysterious sith that attacked him and qui-gon twice and Ill give maul some leeway because sidious could have easily told maul the jedis names to get to know his targets, But it doesnt make sense how the jedi could know so much about maul when he quickly came and went in one movie and they never recovered his body. Also how can yoda sense he has risen again god knows how far away but cant tell the guy 2 office buildings down is a sith lord? I like all things star wars but this seems like a fanboy wrote it and it went to tv.
Destructus86
03-12-2012, 08:28 AM
Heres something I dont get with the plot hole in the clone wars as compared to the movies. In phantom menace kenobi never knew mauls name other then he was some mysterious sith that attacked him and qui-gon twice and Ill give maul some leeway because sidious could have easily told maul the jedis names to get to know his targets, But it doesnt make sense how the jedi could know so much about maul when he quickly came and went in one movie and they never recovered his body. Also how can yoda sense he has risen again god knows how far away but cant tell the guy 2 office buildings down is a sith lord? I like all things star wars but this seems like a fanboy wrote it and it went to tv.
Darth Sidieous is hiding his force presence. Maul isn't even trying to hide. So he creates a disturbance in the force.
Hunter Rider
03-12-2012, 09:31 AM
I don't really understand why as they did so well with the choreography on the 2 on 1 Darth Maul double-bladed fight. The fight I mentioned before is a 6 armed statue against a whole crew of sailors from 1974: ROssbvtE41U
They're talking about one actor/stunt man against one CGI creation with which they have a lot of freedom. If you take out the 4 arm complexity it surely doesn't get any easier than that after 6 films of doing light saber fights. So the addition of the extra 2 arms takes it from simple to impossible?
Firstly I enjoyed that Sinbad sequence, classic Bank Holiday Monday stuff! :D :up: I'm not an expert but in that fight it's mostly the front 2 arms doing the work, the others do the odd slash out. With Grievous they were supposed to be 4 independently articulated arms so all should have had strokes and parries especially when fighting a Jedi, so maybe that was the difficulty, matching up 4 points of movement with Ewan's one and keeping the choreography slick and points of contact accurate.
Anyway I'm not in the business so I won't say too much on it but when I read about the battles that were going to happen on ROTS the Obi-Wan VS Grievous looked awesome in my mind lol. When the fight started I was ready for something to blow me away and when those 2 light sabers got cut off straightaway you should have seen my face! I mean it's fine for them to be cut off later on, just give me at least 15-20 seconds of non-automated freeflow 4 light saber Grievous. :word:
:funny: I know what you mean, on a whole I found Grievous the least impressive of the 3 Prequel fighting villains, my stance has softened slightly with more viewings and the CW but I still dig his original concept look more.
That's a good image. He needs to look extra deadly as he has green/blue rather than red light sabers. If I'd seen him kill something (preferably Jedi) it might have helped.
Agreed, if they had shown him attacking the senate building on Coruscant, wiping out Senate Commandos and a couple of Jedi on his way to kidnapping Palpatine, at the start of ROTS, I think it would have set the tone for him better.
Iceman
03-12-2012, 09:53 AM
Those guys don't give up lol...looked like they died several times.
So Grievous really only showed his awesomeness in the comics and original tv show...Hasn't he only killed one jedi in the current series?Yeah, they've got some spirit!
I've never read a Stars Wars comic. Would love to see how he is in the comics.
Tonicky
03-12-2012, 10:01 AM
Yeah, they've got some spirit!
I've never read a Stars Wars comic. Would love to see how he is in the comics.
Yup he's in the Clone Wars comics that came of before the tv series...I was hoping the tv series would be based on them but it wasn't.
He also is in a few stand alones I think where he is pretty tough taking on 3 or 4 jedi at a time.
They'll be the "it" couple in Coruscant Weekly! :D She seemed kind of unerved by who she sensed so maybe she is wary of Savage.
lol. Well she knows better than anyone he's a loose canon at that point.
It's just you see him leaving his ship and seeking out Maul, I wonder if they cause destruction somewhere to lure him in, but I wonder why he goes alone.
It's possible, yeah. I'm thinking he doesnt want to put anyone else in jeopardy? Or it could be just one of those somewhat reckless moves he alludes to in the OT :cwink:
Well you can set up your pieces of Obi Wan and pray for his safety at your shrine each day! :D
Haaa, very funny :jedi :oldrazz:
Exactly how I saw it and I loved it, he was essentially unleashing a 20+ year powergasm!
:pal:. Nice way of putting it. I mean, i know if i had been in his position i would gloat and taunt beyond belief in order to demoralize Yoda even more and try to get inside his tiny green head.
Just watched the Anikan vs Obi Wan fight at the end of ROTS on Youtube. First time I've watched it in a while. And regardless of whether or not Anakin's descent to the dark side is believable, the scene holds power for me. I think the tone and occasion was met. The setting, the music and putting yourself in Obi-Wan's shoes. It would be heartbreaking. The melancholy look on Ewan's face straight after cutting Anakin's legs is perfect. How he lays his soul bare about loving him as a brother, knowing he's not talking to that same person. Walking away with nothing but now distant memories, and the saber he'll one day give to Luke.
I know, right? The score and the acting from Ewan sell it to me every single time :csad:
I've always kinda felt Lucas hurt the overall quality of all the villains by having them all only appear in one movie.
If they could've had Sidious, Maul, and Grevious in all 3 movies, it would've been awesome.
I dunno, while the idea of that sounds cool i just think it would have been too crowded lol. I've always envisioned the "changes" of apprentices from Sidious as considering them disposable. His ultimate goal was Anakin and, in my opinion of course, the others were just pawns for him to get to the one he wanted. Maul was great, and while part of me wishes he would have stuck around i'm also very glad we got Dooku. And there can only be two. I could see Sidious being upset at the loss of Maul, until he heard about the little boy that saved the day and that the jedi were going to take in. I could hear him cackling and saying "Goooood!".
Iceman
03-12-2012, 10:42 AM
Firstly I enjoyed that Sinbad sequence, classic Bank Holiday Monday stuff! :D :up: I'm not an expert but in that fight it's mostly the front 2 arms doing the work, the others do the odd slash out. With Grievous they were supposed to be 4 independently articulated arms so all should have had strokes and parries especially when fighting a Jedi, so maybe that was the difficulty, matching up 4 points of movement with Ewan's one and keeping the choreography slick and points of contact accurate. I love all of those Harryhausen films :up: Yeah, of course I'm no expert either and I agree on what you say about the front 2 arms doing the majority of the work but the occassional slashes by and the poise of the remaining arms is just about enough to create the illusion that they are fighting a 6 armed demigod statue. I had thought FX & action choreography had developed enough by the time of ROTS to be able to do something effective for a 4 independent arm Grievous but I guess not. :csad:
:funny: I know what you mean, on a whole I found Grievous the least impressive of the 3 Prequel fighting villains, my stance has softened slightly with more viewings and the CW but I still dig his original concept look more.Well my fetish for multi-limbed fighting skills aside he looks just as good with 2 arms. It's the Sith level menace he needs more than the arm action.
Agreed, if they had shown him attacking the senate building on Coruscant, wiping out Senate Commandos and a couple of Jedi on his way to kidnapping Palpatine, at the start of ROTS, I think it would have set the tone for him better.Yes, would have made a big difference. Darth Maul exudes menace though even without doing anything & I think Grievous should have the same effect. Btw has he always had that cough?
Angel_Faerie
03-12-2012, 11:27 AM
Yes, would have made a big difference. Darth Maul exudes menace though even without doing anything & I think Grievous should have the same effect. Btw has he always had that cough?
The cough was caused by a fight with Mace Windu in the original Clone Wars series that played in the weeks leading to ROTS's release
I really don't know how to feel about Maul coming back. It's kind of put me off the series. I've been watching the Genndy series recently and I think I prefer it above the current clone wars.
Iceman
03-12-2012, 11:56 AM
Yup he's in the Clone Wars comics that came of before the tv series...I was hoping the tv series would be based on them but it wasn't.
He also is in a few stand alones I think where he is pretty tough taking on 3 or 4 jedi at a time.
The cough was caused by a fight with Mace Windu in the original Clone Wars series that played in the weeks leading to ROTS's releaseGood to know, thanks.
Destructus86
03-12-2012, 01:39 PM
I like the way Grevious is presented in the Clone Wars...he's a dirty fighter and a bit of a cockroach.
roach
03-12-2012, 01:45 PM
I like the way Grevious is presented in the Clone Wars...he's a dirty fighter and a bit of a cockroach.
Huh????
Tonicky
03-12-2012, 02:12 PM
I like the way Grevious is presented in the Clone Wars...he's a dirty fighter and a bit of a cockroach.
Well that is the character they are kinda going for apparently....the annoying thing is he doesn't have to be he is a powerful cyborg.
I think he needs to win more battles he has been in 15 episodes and he has only won one battle.
Destructus86
03-12-2012, 05:07 PM
Well that is the character they are kinda going for apparently....the annoying thing is he doesn't have to be he is a powerful cyborg.
I think he needs to win more battles he has been in 15 episodes and he has only won one battle.
yeah, but we already have so many tough, nearly unstoppable forces on the bad guys side.
Spider-Gnome
03-12-2012, 06:12 PM
the actual structure reminded me of Gollum leading Sam and Frodo to Shelob.
Maul's portrayal in his return. Very Gollum like.
Exactly what I was thinking as I watched it.
The other thing I thought was, thinking of all those super serious Star Wars fans that were salivating to see the baddass kewl Darth Maul, oh good, just what they wanted, a cartoon snake! :oldrazz:
Still not happy about his return, but it was still a cool episode. Have to see how it pans out next week.
Though I think it would be great if Obi-Wan just walked up to Maul and cut him in half (quarter?) and say in his usual dry tone, "Now, stay dead." :woot:
CConn
03-12-2012, 06:35 PM
Buzzkill. :o
CConn
03-12-2012, 06:41 PM
yeah, but we already have so many tough, nearly unstoppable forces on the bad guys side.
Yeah, well, it would make more sense for the 80yo dude to lose a few battles than the robotic killing machine to be 0-15. :o
Hunter Rider
03-12-2012, 11:12 PM
lol. Well she knows better than anyone he's a loose canon at that point.
Yeah, I wonder if Savage will survive the final battle.
It's possible, yeah. I'm thinking he doesnt want to put anyone else in jeopardy? Or it could be just one of those somewhat reckless moves he alludes to in the OT :cwink:
"So was I, if you remember" :D I wonder how Anakin will fit into this finale.
:pal:. Nice way of putting it. I mean, i know if i had been in his position i would gloat and taunt beyond belief in order to demoralize Yoda even more and try to get inside his tiny green head.
Exactly, this was Palps moment, everything finally unveiled and complete power within his grasp, he'd been dying to take a pop at Yoda lol
I love all of those Harryhausen films :up: Yeah, of course I'm no expert either and I agree on what you say about the front 2 arms doing the majority of the work but the occassional slashes by and the poise of the remaining arms is just about enough to create the illusion that they are fighting a 6 armed demigod statue. I had thought FX & action choreography had developed enough by the time of ROTS to be able to do something effective for a 4 independent arm Grievous but I guess not. :csad:
They were trailblazers. :up: Well they only needed to do slashes as the sailors were just doing basic attacks, with Grievous he had to do more complex movements and attacks because of how Obi Wan was shown as a master swordsman, so I'm not so sure it was just a technology issue, but who knows, maybe Cameron will have a multi arms fighter in Avatar 2 and push the tech further lol.
Well my fetish for multi-limbed fighting skills aside he looks just as good with 2 arms. It's the Sith level menace he needs more than the arm action.
I actually liked his Pre-Grievous look.
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2660/ggkaleesh.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/ggkaleesh.jpg/)
And this concept they scrapped for the look they chose.
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/8884/grievouswarrenfu.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/grievouswarrenfu.jpg/)
Yes, would have made a big difference. Darth Maul exudes menace though even without doing anything & I think Grievous should have the same effect. Btw has he always had that cough?
Maul has such a badass look that much like the Fett's he needed less help. Grievous has that wheezing cough and moves like his legs are spindly and breakable, so he really could have used a showcase of badassery before he fought Obi Wan.
Hunter Rider
03-12-2012, 11:22 PM
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DCnightwing23
03-13-2012, 01:03 AM
I'd would've loved the idea that some are bringing up, a final epic clash of jedi vs. sith lords maul, grievous, dooku and sidious, in the jedi temple. It would've been epic and brought that amazing Stars Wars The Old Republic trailer to life
Tonicky
03-13-2012, 01:32 AM
I'd would've loved the idea that some are bringing up, a final epic clash of jedi vs. sith lords maul, grievous, dooku and sidious, in the jedi temple. It would've been epic and brought that amazing Stars Wars The Old Republic trailer to life
Throw in the Dark Acolytes and it would be a pretty tough fight but I think numbers would win (Jedi).
Some people I know and I are having a Jedi vs Sith lightsaber battle next month :woot:I chose to be with the Sith.
AnneFan
03-13-2012, 04:55 AM
That Yoda drawing is beautiful. Imagine all those long years in solitude with nothing but your thoughts.
OptimusPrime114
03-13-2012, 10:24 AM
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/6849/anakin.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/anakin.jpg/)
I love this picture! Makes me wish Anakin wore this in ROTS.
Though I think it would be great if Obi-Wan just walked up to Maul and cut him in half (quarter?) and say in his usual dry tone, "Now, stay dead." :woot:
Good one :pal:
Yeah, I wonder if Savage will survive the final battle.
I get the feeling neither Savage or Maul will live beyond next season :cwink:
"So was I, if you remember" :D I wonder how Anakin will fit into this finale.
Exactly :oldrazz:. I dont know; i get the feeling we'll have to wait until next season to find out where Anakin fits in this arc. I just dont see him appearing much in the finale this week...
Exactly, this was Palps moment, everything finally unveiled and complete power within his grasp, he'd been dying to take a pop at Yoda lol
Yeah; Yoda's the one i'm sure he wanted to face the most.
Those pictures look awesome, btw.
Tonicky
03-13-2012, 12:47 PM
I get the feeling neither Savage or Maul will live beyond next season :cwink:
Maul should but I don't see Savage making it out of the next episode alive....show created characters don't last long...(except Cad Bane, Hondo and Pre Vizsla who are still kicking after a few seasons.)
Karelia
03-13-2012, 03:56 PM
The Yoda pic above is actually the Empire artwork for the new blu ray sets. :D
Oh, and I hope Maul lives.
OptimusPrime114
03-13-2012, 04:16 PM
Oh, and I hope Maul lives.
I think Darth Maul will appear next season.
I think Darth Maul will appear next season.
There's no doubt in my mind he will make it to next season. I'd be shocked if he didnt, actually. Savage? i dunno, i'm on the fence about him, but i think he has a good chance. Beyond next season is where i start to doubt their survival :cwink:
http://media.smashingmagazine.com/cdn_smash/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/image52.jpg
I wouldn't mind seeing something like this in a Star Wars reboot.
roach
03-14-2012, 12:22 AM
there will be NO Star Wars reboot...or I will break the seals and unleash the 4 horsemen.
AnneFan
03-14-2012, 12:43 AM
there will be NO Star Wars reboot...or I will break the seals and unleash the 4 horsemen.
Yeah. I'd be strongly against it, just as I'd be strongly against a Doctor Who reboot.
Hunter Rider
03-14-2012, 12:47 AM
That Yoda drawing is beautiful. Imagine all those long years in solitude with nothing but your thoughts.
Especially on Dagobah, poor little fella.
I love this picture! Makes me wish Anakin wore this in ROTS.
I'd have liked to see Anakin and Obi Wan in their Clone Wars armour when they go to rescue Palpatine at the start of ROTS.
I get the feeling neither Savage or Maul will live beyond next season :cwink:
It seems a shame to resurect Maul just to kill him off again, maybe they wont and just have him left damaged, then retcon the Visionaries story. In truth though I see Dooku killing him in a battle of apprectices in front of Palpatine on Mustafar.
Exactly :oldrazz:. I dont know; i get the feeling we'll have to wait until next season to find out where Anakin fits in this arc. I just dont see him appearing much in the finale this week...
:D. I agree actually as I can't see how he can get in on the action given ObiTress will be facing the brothers.
Yeah; Yoda's the one i'm sure he wanted to face the most.
Those pictures look awesome, btw.
It was the battle of the top two, opposite sides of the same coin. I love that duel.
:up:
http://media.smashingmagazine.com/cdn_smash/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/image52.jpg
I wouldn't mind seeing something like this in a Star Wars reboot.
Vader redesign?
Yeah. I'd be strongly against it, just as I'd be strongly against a Doctor Who reboot.
But the modern Doctor Who started off as a reboot...
I genuinely don't mind reinterpretations of any fictional work. Keeps the property fresh and ripe with new ideas.
Hunter Rider
03-14-2012, 12:54 AM
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CConn
03-14-2012, 01:32 AM
there will be NO Star Wars reboot...or I will break the seals and unleash the 4 horsemen.
It wouldn't make any sense to reboot Star Wars. What with the zillion other stories you could tell before you got back to the OT.
AnneFan
03-14-2012, 01:40 AM
But the modern Doctor Who started off as a reboot...
All that happened before happened. No slate was wiped clean.
It wouldn't make any sense to reboot Star Wars. What with the zillion other stories you could tell before you got back to the OT.
Well a reboot doesn't necessarily have to feature the same characters or stories, but it could reasonably change how the settings and rules work within the universe.
A reworking of the Jedi mythology and the Force, for example.
All that happened before happened. No slate was wiped clean.
Depends on your definition, I suppose. JJ Abrams' Star Trek also didn't negate the past, but the new tone and presentation of the series (time travel notwithstanding) does give it a fresh look.
AnneFan
03-14-2012, 01:53 AM
Depends on your definition, I suppose. JJ Abrams' Star Trek also didn't negate the past, but the new tone and presentation of the series (time travel notwithstanding) does give it a fresh look.
I suppose. There is a difference between reboot and fresh look for me. My definition of a reboot is a new continuity. We don't get that in the 2005 revival.
Hunter Rider
03-14-2012, 05:58 AM
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9545/obiwanvisions.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/obiwanvisions.jpg/)
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1802/rebelsonkothlis.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/rebelsonkothlis.jpg/)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3271/nowmyenemy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/nowmyenemy.jpg/)
marvelman2006
03-14-2012, 06:49 AM
I guess the desert in tatooine is never hot enough to maybe loose a robe or two.
there will be NO Star Wars reboot...or I will break the seals and unleash the 4 horsemen.
And i will join you! :jedi. Seriously though, i really hope they wait until i'm dead to do something like that; i dont want to see it done in my lifetime :csad:. There's so many stories to tell they could go well into the past or even further into the future and pick it up there. There's no need to reboot the Skywalker story imo.
That's an awesome old Ben art, Hunter :woot:
Iceman
03-14-2012, 11:43 AM
Hunter, where are you getting all these pictures. They're amazing :up:
Tonicky
03-14-2012, 12:32 PM
I don't think they will reboot Star Wars while George Lucas is alive idk when he dies however who knows. Honestly I want them to make a movie about Star Wars Legacy or the Old Republic.
jacobed
03-14-2012, 03:27 PM
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/14/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul-obi-wan-rematch-video/
Looks fantastic
I think if I rebooted Star Wars, I have not have Obi-Wan and Anakin ever duel while master and apprentice. It just isn't natural. Instead while on the molten planet they confront the Dark Side baddie together and Anakin strikes out against him in anger and strikes at him with his lightsaber in cold blood hoping to kill him. He accidentally knocks himself and the Dark Side baddie into the molten pit below and vanishes. Obi-Wan is probably somewhere in the distance struggling to get to his apprentice because the nearby erupting volcano. There would be no duel between the both of them until ANH. Vader would have little memory of the encounter after hitting his head on the way down.
roach
03-14-2012, 03:37 PM
why would it not be natural for a master and apprentice to duel
^Because in the case of Ben and Anakin they would have been best friends and doesn't make sense until Vader is under the supernatural mind control of the Dark Side does it make sense Vader would want to kill his old master.
http://blog.orlandominivacations.com/Portals/31760/images//star_wars_weekend_2010_action_figures.jpg
I know what I'm buying when I go to Disney World.
Donut
03-14-2012, 03:45 PM
Who does the score for this show ? Nice sounding stuff in that clip
TheWiseGuy487
03-14-2012, 03:48 PM
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/14/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul-obi-wan-rematch-video/
Looks fantastic
Wow, the animation on this show has really improved a whole lot since season 1. :wow:
I may give this a watch, if only for the duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul.
Tonicky
03-14-2012, 04:07 PM
^Because in the case of Ben and Anakin they would have been best friends and doesn't make sense until Vader is under the supernatural mind control of the Dark Side does it make sense Vader would want to kill his old master.
http://blog.orlandominivacations.com/Portals/31760/images//star_wars_weekend_2010_action_figures.jpg
I know what I'm buying when I go to Disney World.
Mickey Should be Han Solo though...Mini x Donald just seems weird lol.
Wow, the animation on this show has really improved a whole lot since season 1. :wow:
I may give this a watch, if only for the duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul.
The show has greatly improved from the 1st season in every way.
I think if I rebooted Star Wars, I have not have Obi-Wan and Anakin ever duel while master and apprentice. It just isn't natural. Instead while on the molten planet they confront the Dark Side baddie together and Anakin strikes out against him in anger and strikes at him with his lightsaber in cold blood hoping to kill him. He accidentally knocks himself and the Dark Side baddie into the molten pit below and vanishes. Obi-Wan is probably somewhere in the distance struggling to get to his apprentice because the nearby erupting volcano. There would be no duel between the both of them until ANH. Vader would have little memory of the encounter after hitting his head on the way down.
idk the fight between them was the only part of 3 I liked lol...except Wookies!
Young Superman
03-14-2012, 04:42 PM
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9545/obiwanvisions.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/obiwanvisions.jpg/)
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1802/rebelsonkothlis.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/rebelsonkothlis.jpg/)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3271/nowmyenemy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/nowmyenemy.jpg/)
These are great.
The Caped Knight
03-14-2012, 04:47 PM
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9545/obiwanvisions.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/obiwanvisions.jpg/)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3271/nowmyenemy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/nowmyenemy.jpg/)
Beautiful artwork, I can not wait for friday Clone Wars episode Obi-Wan vs Maul REMATCH. GO Obi-Wan :jedi
So apparently the CW finale ("Revenge") airs in some places today (no idea which lucky places those are :cmad:), so if you happen to be in one of them, please post spoilers in a spoiler tag, or i'll have to send Obi-Wan to deal with you, and he doesnt approve of spoilers...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420301_262969950454930_104161213002472_599889_2861 47072_n.jpg
:oldrazz:
On another note, i just bought my niece a talking plush Chewie as a present :woot:. I hope it arrives soon, and of course i shall post pictures when it arrives. It will be her first Star Wars toy.
Iceman
03-14-2012, 05:30 PM
Star Wars is too epic to be rebooted. Drawing on that history while telling further stories set in whatever time period will enrich any future film.
OptimusPrime114
03-14-2012, 06:33 PM
^Agreed.
It's best to leave it alone. DC Comics may get rebooted, but not Star Wars.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420301_262969950454930_104161213002472_599889_2861 47072_n.jpg
Someone do a live-action manip!
Hunter Rider
03-14-2012, 10:22 PM
Hunter, where are you getting all these pictures. They're amazing :up:
:up: Google, I tend to start out with a basic search and bounce from place to place finding various artwork.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/14/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul-obi-wan-rematch-video/
Looks fantastic
Looks amazing, it feels a bit like the second part of the Bespin duel.
^Because in the case of Ben and Anakin they would have been best friends and doesn't make sense until Vader is under the supernatural mind control of the Dark Side does it make sense Vader would want to kill his old master.
http://blog.orlandominivacations.com/Portals/31760/images//star_wars_weekend_2010_action_figures.jpg
I know what I'm buying when I go to Disney World.
These are great, love Mini as Leia in the Boushh disguise. :D
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420301_262969950454930_104161213002472_599889_2861 47072_n.jpg
:oldrazz:
On another note, i just bought my niece a talking plush Chewie as a present :woot:. I hope it arrives soon, and of course i shall post pictures when it arrives. It will be her first Star Wars toy.
LOVE the poster. :up:
So you finally settled on Chewie! :D :up: I think his was the cutest, certainly after the mangled Ewok plushie took away the only other teddy-esque option lol.
Hunter Rider
03-14-2012, 10:26 PM
It's been a good day, these both arrived!
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2494/anakinskywalkerpremiumf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/anakinskywalkerpremiumf.jpg/)
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4818/masterreplicasdarthsidi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/masterreplicasdarthsidi.jpg/)
CGHulk
03-14-2012, 10:36 PM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gfxycb1tb14gif/original.gif
TheAQU4M4N
03-15-2012, 12:44 AM
It's been a good day, these both arrived!
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2494/anakinskywalkerpremiumf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/anakinskywalkerpremiumf.jpg/)
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4818/masterreplicasdarthsidi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/masterreplicasdarthsidi.jpg/)
did they ever make a FX lightsaber of the emperor's lightsaber?
Hunter Rider
03-15-2012, 01:32 AM
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4371/darthsimi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/darthsimi.jpg/)
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gfxycb1tb14gif/original.gif
Drinking before flying! :wow: :oldrazz:
did they ever make a FX lightsaber of the emperor's lightsaber?
I've never seen one.
I think the storytelling potential for the Star Wars universe is essentially endless. George Lucas invented an entire universe of worlds and characters that can have all kinds of stories and events going on. There is no need to worry about the Skywalkers anymore unless they deal with the New Republic era.
Otherwise movies about Dark Jedi who dueled Darth Vader for his seat as Sith apprentice, wanted revenge for the Great Jedi Purge, betray him for the reward offered by the Rebellion, try to clone him for their own uses, try to steal some of his weapons and firepower etc. are all possible. The possibilities are endless.
I would personally love to see a Obi-Wan and a young Anakin going after war profiteers in the Trade Federation, years before the Clone Wars even began. etc.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/14/star-wars-clone-wars-darth-maul-obi-wan-rematch-video/
Looks fantastic
Awesome :D
So you finally settled on Chewie! :D :up: I think his was the cutest, certainly after the mangled Ewok plushie took away the only other teddy-esque option lol.
Yeah! The ewok one was just too scary lol. She tends to be apprehensive of dolls that make sounds, but i'm hoping i can persuade her since the chewie growl isnt that bad, and she loves animals too so. But hey, if she gets too scared of it i can sacrifice myself and keep it :cwink:; it's staying at my place anyways, for when she comes visit, you know :oldrazz:
Congrats on those new additions arriving!
Tonicky
03-15-2012, 12:12 PM
I wonder what would have happened to Grievous if he hadn't died...
Marvolo
03-15-2012, 01:16 PM
I wonder what would have happened to Grievous if he hadn't died...
Sidious would have sent Anikan to kill him like he did the rest of the Seperatist leaders. That would have been a cool showdown. Even if he ran in usual Grievous fashion he wouldn't have made it long cause he stands out way too much since he's unique and his mechanical body was constructed by Sidious.
roach
03-15-2012, 01:21 PM
I'm sure Sidious probably had a kill switch in Grievous
Marvolo
03-15-2012, 01:33 PM
I'm sure Sidious probably had a kill switch in Grievous
Lol or that. "I was trained by Count Doo...grr...ack...cough!!!" Falls dead.
:D
Tonicky
03-15-2012, 01:52 PM
Sidious would have sent Anikan to kill him like he did the rest of the Seperatist leaders. That would have been a cool showdown. Even if he ran in usual Grievous fashion he wouldn't have made it long cause he stands out way too much since he's unique and his mechanical body was constructed by Sidious.
I suppose then again he could always get a new body he was a warlord after all I'm sure he had the money.
I'm sure Sidious probably had a kill switch in Grievous
Well of course all weapons should have a kill switch.
OptimusPrime114
03-15-2012, 02:27 PM
I like these "What if.." theories. Here's one:
"What if Mara Jade was in the Original Trilogy?"
or
"What is Padme survived?"
DrCosmic
03-15-2012, 02:35 PM
You outlived Gene Roddenberry, you saw a Star Trek reboot.
If you outlive George Lucas, you will see a Star Wars reboot.
Heck, if Lucas could remake the OT to match the PT more, he would... well, he is. As soon as CGI acting gets photorealistic, you might see the original man himself remake his own films.
roach
03-15-2012, 02:39 PM
Star Trek wasn't owned by Roddenberry and stopped being his series after Next Generation...DS9 broke all the rules he put in place for Star Trek.
Star Wars is owned by GL and will probably pass to his family and not a corporation.
The better Darth Maul.
http://hertenberger.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/goofymaul.jpg
Tonicky
03-15-2012, 06:25 PM
I like these "What if.." theories. Here's one:
"What if Mara Jade was in the Original Trilogy?"
or
"What is Padme survived?"
The first one hmm would she be an Emperor's Hand? idk how she would fit in?
if Padme lived.... Well I suppose it would be an amazing sitcom with Vader juggling work and family life.
CConn
03-15-2012, 06:28 PM
Padme could've lived as Bail Organa's cousin or something until the destruction of Alderaan without if really affecting the story of Star Wars at all.
All that really mattered is Vader thinking she was dead.
OptimusPrime114
03-15-2012, 06:43 PM
I think that if Padme survived, she should've gone into hiding, re-emerge as one of the founding leaders of the Rebellion as well as try to reunite with her children.
jacobed
03-15-2012, 06:44 PM
I'd have no problem with his daughter writing a Star Wars movie or two. She is a fantastic writer and really understands the universe that he has created.
Tonicky
03-15-2012, 06:47 PM
I'd have no problem with his daughter writing a Star Wars movie or two. She is a fantastic writer and really understands the universe that he has created.
I know she has written some Clone wars episodes I forget which ones though.
roach
03-15-2012, 06:49 PM
I know she has written some Clone wars episodes I forget which ones though.
i think the ones with the family characters
OptimusPrime114
03-15-2012, 06:50 PM
I know she has written some Clone wars episodes I forget which ones though.
"Jedi Crash"
"Sphere of Influence"
"Assassin"
"Nightsisters"
"Monster"
"Witches of the Mist"
"Massacre"
"Bounty"
"Brothers"
"Revenge"
CConn
03-15-2012, 06:50 PM
She wrote the recent one with Ventress on Dathomire (or whatever it's called).
Personally, I think you'd have to do adaptations of The Thrawn Trilogy, and some other of the more renown books before they did more totally original movies.
OptimusPrime114
03-15-2012, 06:53 PM
If Lucasfilm wants to do an adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy, I can go with:
A) 2D a la DC Original Animated movies.
B) CGI Clone Wars style animated movies.
C) TV mini-series.
Tonicky
03-15-2012, 06:59 PM
"Jedi Crash"
"Sphere of Influence"
"Assassin"
"Nightsisters"
"Monster"
"Witches of the Mist"
"Massacre"
"Bounty"
"Brothers"
"Revenge"
ah those were some good ones besides Jedi Crash which was dull imo.
CConn
03-15-2012, 06:59 PM
I'd rather it be an actual live action film, myself.
As long as the casting is good, I wouldn't mind seeing new actors as the original trilogy characters.
Really though, it would've been perfect for the Trawn trilogy to be adapted in the late '90s. The whole setting of the books wouldve fit well with the movies of that decade.
Currently, I'd still say The Force Unleashed best matches the darker and more adult tone of most of today's blockbusters.
OptimusPrime114
03-15-2012, 09:37 PM
How would you feel for Christian Bale as Thrawn?
CConn
03-15-2012, 09:40 PM
That...
...would actually be perfect.
Hunter Rider
03-15-2012, 10:26 PM
Yeah! The ewok one was just too scary lol. She tends to be apprehensive of dolls that make sounds, but i'm hoping i can persuade her since the chewie growl isnt that bad, and she loves animals too so. But hey, if she gets too scared of it i can sacrifice myself and keep it :cwink:; it's staying at my place anyways, for when she comes visit, you know :oldrazz:
Congrats on those new additions arriving!
Haha! how convenient! :D She is taking her first steps into a Galaxy Far Far Away! Should be a good time for you both when she finally gets hold of Chewie. ;)
Thanks. :up: Anakin is the first Premium Format I've gotten and it's amazing, makes me wonder why they haven't done a ROTS Obi-Wan PF and a Palpatine PF, he is ideal if they made it based off his look when fighting Mace, pre-face frying.
Tonicky
03-15-2012, 11:27 PM
So has Plo Koon ever been in a lightsaber battle?
CGHulk
03-16-2012, 12:10 AM
http://gifsound.com/?gif=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXJDWP.gif&sound=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV O3o_C6MM1Y&start=10
henzINNIT
03-16-2012, 07:41 AM
Darth Maul talking is weird.
OptimusPrime114
03-16-2012, 09:40 AM
"Revenge" is on tonight!
How would you feel for Christian Bale as Thrawn?
How bout him as Quinlan Vos? :woot: lol.
Haha! how convenient! :D She is taking her first steps into a Galaxy Far Far Away! Should be a good time for you both when she finally gets hold of Chewie. ;)
Oh for sure! I'll take pictures of the proud auntie moment. I just hope she doesnt cry LOL.
Indeed, the big season finale is tonight :jedi
Edited my post to add this spoiler free review of tonight's CW finale: http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/38245
UPDATED: REVIEW: The Clone Wars 4.22 – “Revenge”
Thursday, March 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
For all the complaining that’s been done about the penultimate episode of The Clone Wars – Season Four, I truly believe the Season Finale will do right by all those complaining.
Since I’m not allowed to review with spoilers, I’ll have to speak in generalities about the episode.
Based on the clips that have been released (you can watch one here and another on EW), I don’t think it’s spoiler territory to say that Darth Maul gets his wits back about him in a desire to enact his revenge. At the end of the last episode he was broken, mentally and physically, but he has a renewed sense of… purpose.
This episode is brutal and dark, much more so than the last. Lives are at stake. Lots of them.
The lighting in this episode is fantastic. You can get a taste of the lightsaber dueling in the EW clip and the fire in the other clip that this episode is dark all the way through. There’s no hint of light or goodness, not in the story, not in the visuals, and certainly not in the lighting. This episode drips red with blood from start to finish and it’s the darkest episode of the show we’ve been privy to.
We’re given the rematch we’ve all hoped for since 1999: Obi-wan Kenobi and Darth Maul. There are many more players on the field in this episode, though, creating a team dynamic I never thought we’d ever get to see on this show. Truly, the enemy of my enemy is my friend is a meaningful opening fortune cookie. It instantly reminded me of Dick Tracy, though. (I love that movie.)
Matching the darkness, there’s a kinetic energy to the facial animation that just exudes anger, hatred, or calmed fear, depending on the character. The animation on Darth Maul is particularly excellent. From the bizarre gait of his robotic legs to the menacing, arrogant sneer he seems to speak through, he is a broken, furious version of the calm and collected Sith lord we loved to watch so much in The Phantom Menace.
The acting and the dialogue in this episode are razor sharp. Sam Witwer nails a much more collected Maul and James Arnold Taylor brings a gallows humour to Obi-wan that brought a smile to my face over and over again. Clancy Brown also shines as Savage (even enduring a gag about the name.)
This episode is a game changer for the show. When you watch it you’ll see what I mean. Especially since you see, more than any other episode (except for Pong Krell perhaps), Davie Filoni playing with the line in the Revenge of the Sith crawl, “There heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.”
My favorite moment of the episode, aside from Obi-wan’s barbs and the beautifully choreographed fight sequences, was the parting shot. I can’t tell you what it is, but it is going to change the tone of the show in ways I can’t even begin to fathom. I mentioned an episode earlier this season (in the middle of the Slavers arc) being the Empire Strikes Back of The Clone Wars, but this ending, with the months long wait between episodes, embodies it much more fully. And I did an interview with Sam Witwer that will be appearing here and on Huffington Post about the havoc he’ll be wreaking next season. The Clone Wars, the conflict and the show, are changing for good after the events of this episode.
And it’s going to be a very long summer for all of us.
For those upset about Darth Maul coming back, I would implore you to just accept it and move forward. These are fascinating stories and you could just count them as Elseworlds stories if you don’t like the idea of him coming back.
This two part arc is also a great jumping on point for the series. One could watch “Brothers” for free on StarWars.com (or download the gorgeous HD version on iTunes) and then watch the finale and be set to dive into the show from here on out. It’s not likely to disappoint.
The season finale airs at 8:00 p.m. ET/PT Friday, March 16th on Cartoon Network.
(Though I’d immediately download the HD version on iTunes. This episode is that good looking.)
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Oh man, the frustrating thing for me is that i might have to wait until monday to see it, since i'm in the middle of having to switch my internet provider and i'm not fully set up with the new one just yet.
Young Superman
03-16-2012, 03:30 PM
Can't wait for tonight, Darth Maul Vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi round two.
Mr. Wooden Alligator
03-16-2012, 05:15 PM
Why are people upset that Maul returned? I haven't been following this at all, but he seemed a big draw for Episode I.
So has Plo Koon ever been in a lightsaber battle?
I'd say no, other than the battle of Geonosis & other small skirmishes. At least not a 1 on 1 battle that I know of.
Donut
03-16-2012, 07:00 PM
It is time for the re match
OptimusPrime114
03-16-2012, 07:31 PM
I just watched "Revenge"!
OMG, it was awesome! Can't wait to see Darth Maul next season!
Donut
03-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Hopefully Anakin get in on the action in the Season 5 Premiere
jacobed
03-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Absolutely perfect episode. All season Ive been complaining theres no Obi Wan but this episode makes up for it. action was amazing, Obi Wan being a wise ass was awesome also I love his flirtacious relationship with Ventress. i cant wait to see where they take this next season.
Young Superman
03-16-2012, 07:43 PM
I just watched "Revenge"!
OMG, it was awesome! Can't wait to see Darth Maul next season!
Agreed, also seeing Obi-Wan and Ventress working together was cool.
OptimusPrime114
03-16-2012, 07:51 PM
Hopefully Anakin get in on the action in the Season 5 Premiere
Is this what you want to see?
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/346/4/c/commission_anakin_vs_maul_by_doubleleaf-d4ivo7w.jpg
Donut
03-16-2012, 08:26 PM
Is this what you want to see?
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/346/4/c/commission_anakin_vs_maul_by_doubleleaf-d4ivo7w.jpg
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldsvxc4JqU1qatyv7o1_500.gif
Young Superman
03-16-2012, 08:37 PM
Is this what you want to see?
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/346/4/c/commission_anakin_vs_maul_by_doubleleaf-d4ivo7w.jpg
That's AWESOME!
Marvolo
03-16-2012, 09:51 PM
Where to begin! Tonight's episode was awesome! Obiwan gave into his rage again, ventress and Obi teaming up, kenobi using a red lightsaber!
The Caped Knight
03-16-2012, 10:24 PM
Obi-Wan was badass in tonights episode. I never though I'd see a team-up with Kenobi and Ventress. Maul was calculating and way more menacing than he was in TPM (Sam Witwer totally blew my mind with his impressive vocal performance, He was awesome when he played The Son in season 3, But he was so much better as Maul) . The re-match lightsaber duel was intense and fierce , I loved every minute of it Can't wait for season 5.
OptimusPrime114
03-16-2012, 10:33 PM
During the duel, when Maul taunted Obi-Wan about Qui-Gon's death and Obi-Wan retaliated in anger, did it remind anybody of Vader and Luke in ROTJ?
Hellion
03-16-2012, 10:33 PM
The episode was awesome......is it weird I wanna see an Obi/Ventress relationship?
it was a step up from Last years finale...don't get me wrong I enjoyed last years, but the actual story/events felt a bit filler......can't wait to see what they come up with for Maul and Savage.........
.....and Ventress (she is my favorite after all, I hope she doesn't go full good guy-I can't see them doing it-especially with her list of CIS goings-ons, but something says they could maybe an occasional ally to the replublic, wouldn't mind seeing her go back and forth-to the highest bidder---maybe she can be under Jabba's employ---taking her away from the Sep's gives them a bit more leeway with what they can do with her---I mostly wanna see who they could associate her with?)
Thoix
03-16-2012, 10:43 PM
'Revenge' was awesome. Darth Maul was much more sinister in this than he was in TPM. Sam Witwer was great, Obi-Wan raged again, and Obi-wan and Ventress teamed up!
Marvolo
03-16-2012, 10:45 PM
I have a feeling Ventress will die helping the republic. Probably helping obiwan. Just a guess. At this point she is a person who helps the highest bidder. Han was like this in ANH, and eventually realized money isn't everything. Without question Han is a much better person and aas after the money in desperation, but Ventress has purpose now and over time I see her becoming more of an ally to the Jedi.
And yes Optimus, tonight's duel very much reminded me of the ROTJ duel.
I'll admit I was wrong about seeing Darth Maul as another opportunity to sell toys that would attack Obi-Wan and then be killed like before. I didn't expect the witch to purge his mind like that of madness. My question is now how will Dooku and Sidious react now that they know their Sith apprentice has returned. Will Maul try earn his command back by taking over the Separatist movement or perhaps forge a new Dark Jedi order of his own to oppose Sidious who he felt betrayed him.
Compi716
03-17-2012, 02:23 AM
My DVR cut the episode short. The last thing I saw was Maul and Savage sitting in the ship, with Maul saying they need to be patient. Did anything happen after that?
AWESOME finale, though!
CGHulk
03-17-2012, 02:28 AM
http://i.imgur.com/YmjCy.gif
TheAQU4M4N
03-17-2012, 02:39 AM
My DVR cut the episode short. The last thing I saw was Maul and Savage sitting in the ship, with Maul saying they need to be patient. Did anything happen after that?
AWESOME finale, though!
yeah he(Maul) says something like I have waited patiently a long time, I can wait a little longer" Savage replys by saying something like "Don't you understand that Jedi will know what we are up to and then Maul says "Im counting on it" and then it ends there
OptimusPrime114
03-17-2012, 06:45 AM
I have a feeling Ventress will die helping the Republic.
Yeah, that's highly unlikely, considering her appearances in the Clone Wars comics.
Hellion
03-17-2012, 12:34 PM
Talzin's quite the manipulator isn't she, I really like her as a character, she also has a lot of spare time on her hands to help Ventress, Savage, and now Maul with there revenge plots lol...?...anybody think she'll come back again......maybe reestablish the Nightsisters.....come back and show herself as a big threat to Dooku, maybe Sidious?
Tonicky
03-17-2012, 12:38 PM
I'd say no, other than the battle of Geonosis & other small skirmishes. At least not a 1 on 1 battle that I know of.
I wish he did.
Is this what you want to see?
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/346/4/c/commission_anakin_vs_maul_by_doubleleaf-d4ivo7w.jpg
Anime lol.
Hellion
03-17-2012, 12:43 PM
Is this what you want to see?
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/346/4/c/commission_anakin_vs_maul_by_doubleleaf-d4ivo7w.jpg
That makes me want a Star Wars Anime...and I just found a new wallpaper...thanks! :jedi
Hellion
03-17-2012, 12:47 PM
So has Plo Koon ever been in a lightsaber battle?
He's been involved in a few battles against droids, I don't recall him dueling (Ventress, Dookue, etc)...
...I think his action has mostly been piloting, IIRC?
Hunter Rider
03-17-2012, 03:27 PM
I thought the finale was great, loved the dialogue exchanges between ObiTress and Obi-Wan and Maul, the episode was superbly animated and voiced. The dual Lightsaber duels were awesome and I was surprised when Obi-Wan said they were over-matched, I guess the closed in hull of the ship did suit Savage's power, he came off incredibly overpowering in this ep, it felt like it elevated him.
Can't wait to see what the brothers do in season 5, Whitwer is even better as Maul now his mind is somewhat restored.
Talzin's quite the manipulator isn't she, I really like her as a character, she also has a lot of spare time on her hands to help Ventress, Savage, and now Maul with there revenge plots lol...?...anybody think she'll come back again......maybe reestablish the Nightsisters.....come back and show herself as a big threat to Dooku, maybe Sidious?
I'm wondering if Ventress will feel betrayed given she's been left to fend for herself but Talzin is still tottering around playing chess with the brothers.
Hunter Rider
03-17-2012, 03:31 PM
http://s17.postimage.org/c30gd3qpr/vader_on_hoth.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
Got a framed version of this today, it's incredible.
Young Superman
03-17-2012, 03:37 PM
That's really cool.
So I have been recording this whole season because I find this show goes better in Marathons and I just finished the Umbara storyline and have two words, holy ****, is the whole season this intense? I know I have Maul coming but that was awesome, I'd take a whole show that was just purly Clones. Just awesome. So yeah I got the feeling I'm set up for a great next couple O'hours, had to sound Irish for today. ;)
OptimusPrime114
03-18-2012, 11:27 AM
Has anyone read the Fate of the Jedi novels? If so, the last book, Apocalypse, is out in stores now.
roach
03-18-2012, 01:59 PM
I'm behind in the series and need to catch up
OptimusPrime114
03-18-2012, 02:00 PM
I'm behind in the series and need to catch up
So, you're familiar with the EU books?
roach
03-18-2012, 02:02 PM
I have been reading the EU stuff starting from New Jedi Order and into Fate of the Jedi
OptimusPrime114
03-18-2012, 02:09 PM
I have been reading the EU stuff starting from New Jedi Order and into Fate of the Jedi
Which death affected you the most, out of all these books?:
Chewbacca, Anakin Solo, Mara Jade or Jacen Solo?
roach
03-18-2012, 02:21 PM
Chewie's came out of nowhere
everyone else's was spoiled
Marvolo
03-18-2012, 04:35 PM
Yeah, that's highly unlikely, considering her appearances in the Clone Wars comics.
That doesn't mean whole lot. The literary canon has been retconned and changed before. As of now the show takes precedent.
CConn
03-18-2012, 04:42 PM
Mara died?
That seems dumb. Anakin and Jacen were enough. :o
OptimusPrime114
03-18-2012, 04:49 PM
I don't know what will happen next season, but one thing I'm sure is on everyone's mind as well as mine:
Darth Maul vs Count Dooku.
CConn
03-18-2012, 04:56 PM
Eh.
Llama_Shepherd
03-18-2012, 05:45 PM
I wanna see Maul with his double ended saber and a recreation of the duel of the fates.
CGHulk
03-18-2012, 07:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qRVRD.gif
CConn
03-18-2012, 07:33 PM
I never got why they did that.
It's like they thought they were interpretive dance majors.
CGHulk
03-18-2012, 07:42 PM
Hey Vader nice suit, it must of cost you an arm and a leg.....oops.
Schlosser85
03-18-2012, 07:51 PM
I never got why they did that.
It's like they thought they were interpretive dance majors.
Because it "looked cool", which is the reason why Lucas does half the stuff he does.
Erzengel
03-18-2012, 09:29 PM
I never got why they did that.
It's like they thought they were interpretive dance majors.
I can spin a sword like that.
But yeah, it's pretty much just for show.
I never understood why so many complained about the duel on Mustufar looking so choreographed. The duel with Darth Maul looks a lot more like that to me then this one did. Although the fight being ten minutes long, two happening at the same time between Yoda and the Emperor destroys the flow of building action in the original trilogy by making all of those duels look slower and more boring. The fights should be at most five minutes and built up to or cut between like the OT.
It also makes me thing GL only made these prequels because he felt like he had to make a big action movie that the fan boys wouldn't complain about and not for the story arch.
OptimusPrime114
03-18-2012, 09:51 PM
We're gonna start with this again?
Has anyone else actually wanted to see the Death Star actually used in battle before it was destroyed? What does it look like flying through hyperspace, battling against a giant battle fleet, and can the gun reduce its firepower, or be made to be even stronger? What if the Empire had an entire fleet of these weapons, etc...
jacobed
03-19-2012, 12:57 AM
I always thought that Jedi/Sith were able to somewhat see or feel what their opponent was going to do next hence to why they're always able to block and parry each other.
roach
03-19-2012, 03:11 AM
I never got why they did that.
It's like they thought they were interpretive dance majors.
building up speed for the next strike
I thought the finale was great, loved the dialogue exchanges between ObiTress and Obi-Wan and Maul, the episode was superbly animated and voiced. The dual Lightsaber duels were awesome and I was surprised when Obi-Wan said they were over-matched, I guess the closed in hull of the ship did suit Savage's power, he came off incredibly overpowering in this ep, it felt like it elevated him.
Can't wait to see what the brothers do in season 5, Whitwer is even better as Maul now his mind is somewhat restored.
Agreed, i enjoyed Obi-Wan's funny comments lol. The animation is really incredible, i love how they're able to move hairs now, it made Obi-Wan look even more alive.
The brothers will be trouble next season for sure. I wonder where Obi-Wan and Ventress are off to. Can u imagine him walking into the Jedi Temple with her? oh man, Anakin would flip lol.
I'm just glad we didnt get an evil cliffhanger like i feared :oldrazz:
CConn
03-19-2012, 11:15 AM
building up speed for the next strikeHah.
That's dumb,
Llama_Shepherd
03-19-2012, 03:09 PM
That little sequence also highlighted how similar Vader was to Obi-Wan, that he is still using the same tactics Obi-Wan taught him.
CConn
03-19-2012, 03:48 PM
But we already had like 30 different examples of that already. :o
That little sequence also highlighted how similar Vader was to Obi-Wan, that he is still using the same tactics Obi-Wan taught him.
I believe there's an interview in the dvd somewhere where Nick Gillard (the one responsible for the choreography of the duels) says that purposely at times Anakin and Obi-Wan mirror each other when fighting, and there's a "lock" to to speak (i dont remember the term he used, sorry lol). Just shows the influence they have on each other, even if they do have different styles of fighting.
OptimusPrime114
03-19-2012, 05:13 PM
Back to Darth Maul:
How will his return impact the galaxy?
^It's not. Sidious is going to order Dooku to kill him or the circumstances of how Maul survived were part of the Emperor's plan the entire time. It's a trap of some sort. Maul escape the trash compactor in the heart of Naboo and a ship took him to the debris world. That was probably by design in case Dooku failed.
Hunter Rider
03-19-2012, 08:30 PM
Won an auction for this yesterday! :D
http://s14.postimage.org/lfsg7qdj5/Gentle_Giant_Darth_Vader_Kneeling_Statue.gif (http://postimage.org/)
Agreed, i enjoyed Obi-Wan's funny comments lol. The animation is really incredible, i love how they're able to move hairs now, it made Obi-Wan look even more alive.
The brothers will be trouble next season for sure. I wonder where Obi-Wan and Ventress are off to. Can u imagine him walking into the Jedi Temple with her? oh man, Anakin would flip lol.
I'm just glad we didnt get an evil cliffhanger like i feared :oldrazz:
Yeah it really added to the feeling Obi-Wan was under pressure, a simple thing in theory but a nice advance in the animation for the show.
Haha!, I can just hear Yoda "Bringing this hairless harpy here, approve I do not!"
Yes! :D It was an ending that promised cool things in season 5 without being a cliffhanger.
I want that Vader statue bad.
OptimusPrime114
03-20-2012, 06:59 AM
Ah, statues. :)
The Morningstar
03-20-2012, 07:05 AM
Hah.
That's dumb,
It was dumb. Why would you need to swing the thing around to build up speed, when it's practically weightless anyway? Swinging a sword that has actual weight around like that to build up speed and force makes sense. A weightless lightsaber? Not so much. It was done to try and look cool, but it looked stupid.
Lightsabers were turned into cheap gimmicks for the fanboys to salivate over in the prequels.
There is a reason why Empire is the best Star Wars film. That reason is Lucas didn't direct it and didn't have that much input into the script :o
marvelman2006
03-20-2012, 07:24 AM
It was dumb. Why would you need to swing the thing around to build up speed, when it's practically weightless anyway? Swinging a sword that has actual weight around like that to build up speed and force makes sense. A weightless lightsaber? Not so much. It was done to try and look cool, but it looked stupid.
Lightsabers were turned into cheap gimmicks for the fanboys to salivate over in the prequels.
There is a reason why Empire is the best Star Wars film. That reason is Lucas didn't direct it and didn't have that much input into the script :o
Writing credits (http://www.imdb.com/glossary/W#writer)
Leigh Brackett (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0102824/) (screenplay) and Lawrence Kasdan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001410/) (screenplay)
George Lucas (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/) (story)
Script no, but story was all him. He still gave the story to the screen writers to make a script out of it but luke training, the snow planet battle, luke vs vader and han being frozen in carbonite and being taken away all Lucas. Heck lucas wanted han to live when everyone else wanted him to die. Empire strikes back was good but it isnt the end all be all in the star wars cannon. For whatever reason the fanboys who hate lucas for everything he has done clinge to Empire strikes back like a 12 year old boy does to playboy. Its just redicuous. Star wars is star wars no matter what forum it is in. I hate clone wars on cartoon network but tuned in just to see maul and even though I think its stupid hes back its still nice too see him again because I dig the character.
The Morningstar
03-20-2012, 07:29 AM
double
The Morningstar
03-20-2012, 07:30 AM
I'm not denying Lucas is a great idea man, it would be foolish to do so. Although some of his ideas are dumb.
But yea, it's no coincidence that the best film in the franchise wasn't directed or written by him.
And i'm not clinging to it like some 12 year old fanboy, I'm looking at it as a fan of films in general. The prequels are garbage. They were written and directed by him, and he had no one there reeling him in or telling him he might be doing things wrong. They were afraid of him. Just look at all the behind the scenes footage/making of documentaries. They didn't have a ****ing clue what they were doing and everyone seemed to be just standing there whilst this mad man was throwing ideas at a wall seeing what would stick.
Lucas is a great business man, he's not a great film maker. And his involvement in Red Tails was laughable, acting like there had never been a great movie with a all black cast. Errr... hey George, never heard of Glory? The Oscar winning epic?
marvelman2006
03-20-2012, 07:37 AM
I'm not denying Lucas is a great idea man, it would be foolish to do so. Although some of his ideas are dumb.
But yea, it's no coincidence that the best film in the franchise wasn't directed or written by him.
I agree on that one and quite frankly I would have liked to see him create the stories and but hire 3 young directors on the prequels to help them break out and maybe even have some great ideas too to mesh together.
I can admit he has had more bad ideas then good but the good ideas over shadow the bad ones. I would sit through jar jar binks if I can cleanse it with vaders birth scene.
The Morningstar
03-20-2012, 07:40 AM
There is some great stuff in the prequels. REALLY great stuff. But there is just so many bad things. So many. And the characterisation for the main character, Anakin, was so bad I just couldn't care about it. It also tarnished one of the greatest characters in cinematic history.
I remember when I first saw Sith, that opening scene, my mind was blown. But I just couldn't connect to the movie because Anakin and the Jedi were just so poorly written.
I think Lucas' problem is he has too much imagination. He's got so many ideas buzzing around in his head he can't decide what are good ones and bad ones sometimes, and with the prequels everyone was too scared of him to take him aside and say "Hey George, I don't think this will work". You'll get absolute moments of genius, like the weird cantina on Mos Isley, or Han being frozen, or the opening to Sith. And you'll get moments of idiocy, like Jar Jar, Anakin's motivations for joining the Sith, making lightsaber fights into overly choreographed gimmicks, the Jedi council being borderline facists who are afraid of emotions, Palpatine being some lunatic jack rabbit who jumps around all over the place, instead of some insidious, twisted dark wizard etc.
OptimusPrime114
03-20-2012, 08:28 AM
^ You guys don't like the Prequels? Fine. Your loss.
But just so you know, the prequels got a lot more people interested in SW again!
Marvolo
03-20-2012, 09:23 AM
While reading the making of star wars I found a quote of Lucas saying "Even when I was young I was not willing to listen to anyone's ideas - I wanted everything to be my way. Over the years, starting in filmschool, I did start to work with others, because film is so collaborative, but I was still pretty closed minded." The Making of Star Wars by J.W. Rinzler
Its an insight into his personality and examplifies why the prequels turned out the way they did. He has too many yes men that don't keep him in check. It can be said the prequels are 100% George's baby but as can be seen some of his goofier sub par ideas slipped through the gate. Lucas is a bit of an eccentric and reigning him in would do wonders.
The Morningstar
03-20-2012, 10:02 AM
^ You guys don't like the Prequels? Fine. Your loss.
But just so you know, the prequels got a lot more people interested in SW again!
Why is it a loss? I don't lament not enjoying crap.
While reading the making of star wars I found a quote of Lucas saying "Even when I was young I was not willing to listen to anyone's ideas - I wanted everything to be my way. Over the years, starting in filmschool, I did start to work with others, because film is so collaborative, but I was still pretty closed minded." The Making of Star Wars by J.W. Rinzler
Its an insight into his personality and examplifies why the prequels turned out the way they did. He has too many yes men that don't keep him in check. It can be said the prequels are 100% George's baby but as can be seen some of his goofier sub par ideas slipped through the gate. Lucas is a bit of an eccentric and reigning him in would do wonders.
That's exactly it. Too many yes men around him. The thing is, if Lucas had people around him who weren't afraid of pulling him aside and saying "Look, I don't think that will work" or "Maybe you should try it this way" the prequels would have turned out much, much better.
But yea, it's like with Bay and the TF movies. The first one was the best because Spielberg was there to keep him in check. 2 and 3 are horrible because it's Bay just let loose with no one to tell him he might be doing something wrong.
The_Raganork
03-20-2012, 10:09 AM
I love TESB but why do people forget about ANH which was Lucas and in my opinion the second best and if someone agrees I pray they're saying it's the best of the 6.
Then, in my opinion, ROTS is as good as ROTJ. So Lucas knows what he's doing, the prequels may not be up to snuff for some people but lets not pretend they're really THAT bad and let's not pretend he doesn't have ANH in his arsenal as well. The 1 film that wasnt him was great ROTJ was no where near as good as ANH.
The Morningstar
03-20-2012, 10:13 AM
A New Hope was great, yea. But Empire is still better. And the final showdown in ROTJ is better than anything in the prequels.
Obi Wan vs Anakin doesn't even come close to Luke vs Vader in Jedi. But oh, it has really fancy lightsaber choreography! lol.
The part where Luke is under the stairs and Vader is like "Ahhh... sister!" that's just great cinema, one of my favourite scenes in the entire Star Wars saga. No amount of fancy FX and silly ballet-esque choreography can make up for that raw emotion.
As far as i'm concerned Lucas has made 2 good films, both of which were decades ago. He's been riding on the coat tails of Star Wars ever since. He deserves credit for the amazing universe he created. But i don't understand how some people hail him as some kind of cinematic god.
The_Raganork
03-20-2012, 10:22 AM
A New Hope was great, yea. But Empire is still better. And the final showdown in ROTJ is better than anything in the prequels.
Aside form the last part this is exactly what I said. Still I'm talking about overall films and as contentious as the prequels are they are more respectful to the story than Jedi is at times.
Don't get me wrong, Jedi has its moments. The final encounter, Yoda's death all cool but it also has moments of strange discourse. The entire beginning is boring with Jabba's palace, the stunted Darth Vader compared to his finest moment in TESB. They flippant way they glossed over Luke and Leia, the death star's almost pointless inclusion.
There are so many lost parts in ROTJ and none of them were ever the Ewoks for me.
Lucas has a grasp for story but maybe not the best grasp on execution however Star Wars is a commodity I, as a fan owe HIM not someone else because they did a better job, once.
I think he's done great Job and looking at the prequels for what they are and what they're supposed to be they're deeper and more interesting than the OT.
As films the OT came out way better.
Such is why the clone wars intrigues me so much, the political turmoil and the deepness of some very complex characters like Ventress and Dooku could be wonderful to explore and ultimately I have Lucas to thank for that
Doctor Jones
03-20-2012, 10:28 AM
So I noticed in the finale... Maul sure likes kicking Obi-Wan alot.
The Morningstar
03-20-2012, 10:30 AM
Well yea, I am grateful for the universe he created, he deserves a lot of respect for it. He has an amazing imagination, but that can be a good and bad thing.
But really, for a guy who has made 2 good films in nearly 50 years, I think the praise he gets is a little overblown. It's like no one even remembers that Kershner was the guy who actually made Empire.
Marvolo
03-20-2012, 10:48 AM
I love TESB but why do people forget about ANH which was Lucas and in my opinion the second best and if someone agrees I pray they're saying it's the best of the 6.
Then, in my opinion, ROTS is as good as ROTJ. So Lucas knows what he's doing, the prequels may not be up to snuff for some people but lets not pretend they're really THAT bad and let's not pretend he doesn't have ANH in his arsenal as well. The 1 film that wasnt him was great ROTJ was no where near as good as ANH.
ANH is my favorite of the 6. On ANH Lucas had a very hard time which forced him to get help from others and listen to them. He couldn't afford to ignore other peoples suggestions and opinions. Also, his actors would call him out on his crazier dialogue. That is why ANH tutned out so well. He utilized his crew properly and couldn't be stubborn as he would have liked to be.
ROTS I rank number 3 out of the 6. Its got an alright story with a left hook for an ending. But its extremely rough around the edges. I mean that technically speaking, of course. Visually speaking the film is smooth. Too smooth for my old fashioned taste, but slick nonetheless.
When Lucas has a crew that will challenge him and keep him in check and a good script the man can do good work. I've only seen that happen 1 or 2 times in his career in 50 years. That's not a good record to have. He created a wonderful universe, but he's not that good with scripts or directing.
Hunter Rider
03-20-2012, 11:42 AM
The thing that comes to mind for me when I read discussions like this one is the beauty of Star Wars, you can ask ten different fans for likes and dislikes of the 6 films and get ten different responses, not many (if any) franchises have that, I mean I disagree with some of what Rag said about ROTJ and he left out my biggest issue with the movie lol.
Anyway, got this today, I think it's the best Ewan Obi-Wan ROTS sculpt I've seen so far.
http://s16.postimage.org/ytmk2tfz9/GG_ROTSObi_Wan_EEBust.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
The_Raganork
03-20-2012, 11:48 AM
I know people hate the Ewoks. They never bothered me though.
Plus they got one of the best themes from Williams.
Hunter Rider
03-20-2012, 11:49 AM
I know people hate the Ewoks. They never bothered me though.
Plus they got one of the best themes from Williams.
I love the Ewoks! :up:
Yeah it really added to the feeling Obi-Wan was under pressure, a simple thing in theory but a nice advance in the animation for the show.
Haha!, I can just hear Yoda "Bringing this hairless harpy here, approve I do not!"
Yes! :D It was an ending that promised cool things in season 5 without being a cliffhanger.
It's those little details that make the difference in the end imo.
LOL well who knows, Yoda might be popular with the ladies :cwink:.
They didnt show a trailer for season 5 though, did they? :csad:
Those are great gets btw, the statue and bust look awesome.
I love TESB but why do people forget about ANH which was Lucas and in my opinion the second best and if someone agrees I pray they're saying it's the best of the 6.
Then, in my opinion, ROTS is as good as ROTJ. So Lucas knows what he's doing, the prequels may not be up to snuff for some people but lets not pretend they're really THAT bad and let's not pretend he doesn't have ANH in his arsenal as well. The 1 film that wasnt him was great ROTJ was no where near as good as ANH.
In my opinion, ANH is still the best one. Then comes ROTS for me. Then come the rest, which tend to be ESB, ROTJ, TPM, AOTC (although at times there's changes here lol).
I dont get the ewok hate either, but to each their own. I think they ended up serving a great purpose with their size, even if originally Lucas wanted wookies.
Llama_Shepherd
03-20-2012, 12:31 PM
I find it hard to rate the films in a concrete order. Clones is usually the lowest, because, although it actually furthered the story unlike Menace, it was too bogged down by bad dialogue in the love story and didn't have a good enough final duel, Yoda would have been best saved to fight in Sith, to show his desperation, while Windu fought Dooku.
Destructus86
03-20-2012, 01:36 PM
^It's not. Sidious is going to order Dooku to kill him or the circumstances of how Maul survived were part of the Emperor's plan the entire time. It's a trap of some sort. Maul escape the trash compactor in the heart of Naboo and a ship took him to the debris world. That was probably by design in case Dooku failed.
I think Sidious will use Maul to his advantage. Why kill what you can use...and Maul will certaintly be useful. Besides...I don't know if Dooku could take Maul down since Maul was trained by the most powerful of all Sith.
Hunter Rider
03-20-2012, 03:28 PM
It's those little details that make the difference in the end imo.
LOL well who knows, Yoda might be popular with the ladies :cwink:.
They didnt show a trailer for season 5 though, did they? :csad:
Those are great gets btw, the statue and bust look awesome.
Agreed. :up:
There is some evidence to this! :D
http://s13.postimage.org/bbd1gchl3/sw_dallas_program.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
I didn't see one, I guess they'll debut a season 5 trailer at comic con.
:up: I know you're a big Obi Wan fan and the bust is really a great piece I think you'd dig.
Hunter Rider
03-20-2012, 03:34 PM
http://s15.postimage.org/jigxk43kr/SWTopps_A.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
Young Superman
03-20-2012, 03:39 PM
http://s15.postimage.org/jigxk43kr/SWTopps_A.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
Nice.:up:
OptimusPrime114
03-20-2012, 03:59 PM
^Makes me wish we saw this in ANH.
Hunter Rider
03-20-2012, 04:03 PM
http://s7.postimage.org/4k0d6nsqz/Jedi_by_Stand_Alone_Complex.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
http://s18.postimage.org/u7cr0bfax/Twilek_Sith_close_up_by_Stand_Alone_Complex.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
http://s15.postimage.org/hvwrvzxuj/Ambush_by_Stand_Alone_Complex.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
http://s15.postimage.org/qw1dg6ty3/Inevitable_Death_closeups_by_Stand_Alone_Comple.jp g (http://postimage.org/)
roach
03-20-2012, 04:07 PM
whats is that from??
The_Raganork
03-20-2012, 04:10 PM
I think Sidious will use Maul to his advantage. Why kill what you can use...and Maul will certaintly be useful. Besides...I don't know if Dooku could take Maul down since Maul was trained by the most powerful of all Sith.
And Dooku was trained by Yoda and has a lifetime of Jedi knowledge and now Sith knowledge and is known as one of the greatest lights abet duelist ever.
OptimusPrime114
03-20-2012, 04:13 PM
whats is that from??
Star Wars: The Old Republic.
I'm playing Mass Effect 1 right now. Does anybody knows any similarities between ME and SW?
The_Raganork
03-20-2012, 04:19 PM
ME is basically a Star Wars rip-off. But an effective well thought out and genius one.
OptimusPrime114
03-20-2012, 06:38 PM
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/252/c/1/mass_effect_vs_star_wars_by_edrice-d2ych6o.jpg
The_Raganork
03-20-2012, 06:47 PM
Haha
Obi-Ron
03-20-2012, 06:53 PM
Besides...I don't know if Dooku could take Maul down since Maul was trained by the most powerful of all Sith.
It would be awesome to see those two throw down. Although Skywalker vs Maul is what I'm hoping for. :jedi
Spider-Gnome
03-20-2012, 06:59 PM
So, it's official! Clone Wars Season 4: Obi-Wan's least favorite season!
A New Hope was great, yea. But Empire is still better. And the final showdown in ROTJ is better than anything in the prequels.
And supposedly Lucas himself directed all the scenes in the Emperor's throne room.
The part where Luke is under the stairs and Vader is like "Ahhh... sister!" that's just great cinema, one of my favourite scenes in the entire Star Wars saga.
Again, Lucas directed and his big presence in the editing room.
OptimusPrime114
03-20-2012, 07:01 PM
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http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/292/0/4/dave_and_mike_by_lolcopter121-d4dau6d.jpg
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Nice, but sorry I don't think so too. Ben did not kill stormtroopers to sneak around the Death Star, he used the Force so stealth fully that he was not detected. The purpose of his character was to show how non-violence can win battles too. He only acted in self-defense and dueled Vader to distract him and the storm troopers so that Luke, Han, Leia, and the droids could escape.
craigdbfan
03-20-2012, 08:31 PM
The purpose of his character was to show how non-violence can win battles too.
Tell that to Ponda Baba. :p ;)
http://i.imgur.com/ELBvO.jpg
Erzengel
03-20-2012, 08:53 PM
ueekmOdIVOo
craigdbfan
03-20-2012, 08:55 PM
:funny:
I love that clip. Poor Ponda. :(
^I know, but that was all done in self-defense just like Darth Vader.
roach
03-20-2012, 09:42 PM
Nice, but sorry I don't think so too. Ben did not kill stormtroopers to sneak around the Death Star, he used the Force so stealth fully that he was not detected. The purpose of his character was to show how non-violence can win battles too. He only acted in self-defense and dueled Vader to distract him and the storm troopers so that Luke, Han, Leia, and the droids could escape.
i love how people draw conclusions to characters
The Morningstar
03-21-2012, 02:22 AM
So, it's official! Clone Wars Season 4: Obi-Wan's least favorite season!
And supposedly Lucas himself directed all the scenes in the Emperor's throne room.
Again, Lucas directed and his big presence in the editing room.
Yes well nothing in the prequels even comes close to that scene. No where near it. So he's either lost his mojo big time, or he never really had it.
CGHulk
03-21-2012, 02:37 AM
He had it, he just didn't give a **** when it came time to do the Prequels. I believe he only did them for the money. In a way he went to the dark side himself.
jacobed
03-21-2012, 02:39 AM
He didnt need the money though. Its hard to say that about man who is constantly giving his money away
CGHulk
03-21-2012, 04:33 AM
It's a nice tax ride off.
The Morningstar
03-21-2012, 04:35 AM
I think he genuinely wanted to tell a great story in the prequels. He just hasn't got the ability as a writer to tell a great story.
Well he has, but he needs a "garbage filter" working with him to tell him when he's doing something wrong. Not a bunch of yes men who are afraid of him.
OptimusPrime114
03-21-2012, 07:18 AM
There's a Star Wars edition of Scene It! coming soon.
Llama_Shepherd
03-21-2012, 08:45 AM
I think he genuinely wanted to tell a great story in the prequels. He just hasn't got the ability as a writer to tell a great story.
Well he has, but he needs a "garbage filter" working with him to tell him when he's doing something wrong. Not a bunch of yes men who are afraid of him.
The yes men weren't that much of problem. Steven Spielberg was, Lucas discussed with him that he was going to do the prequels and that he was essentially just going to lay the foundations and take a bit of a backseat while others did the big things, and he'd step in when he thought he was needed. But Spielberg told him he should do everything, and we ended up with a prequel trilogy that was on the whole, less than stellar.
Dugath
03-21-2012, 09:01 AM
The yes men weren't that much of problem. Steven Spielberg was, Lucas discussed with him that he was going to do the prequels and that he was essentially just going to lay the foundations and take a bit of a backseat while others did the big things, and he'd step in when he thought he was needed. But Spielberg told him he should do everything, and we ended up with a prequel trilogy that was on the whole, less than stellar.
I tell you we need Michael Bay to do Star Was :p
marvelman2006
03-21-2012, 10:21 AM
I tell you we need Michael Bay to do Star Was :p
It wouldnt been 10 minutes in before we heard a gay jedi joke or some black jedi running around like a lunatic with his pants around his ankles. Or yoda farting while walking because he's old and old people fart uncontrollably...... get it?
The Morningstar
03-21-2012, 10:25 AM
Mace Windu would be smoking a suspicious looking contraption. Padme would be wearing a form of bikini. Anakin would be yelling OPTIM... oops i mean OBI WAN! every 10 minutes. Palpatine would be striking hammy menacing poses whilst saying "All hail Sideous!" The storm/clone troopers would be the most bad ass and awesome guys ever. American flags would some how appear.
ueekmOdIVOo
I love this one :hehe:
i love how people draw conclusions to characters
It never fails to surprise me how people can perceive the same event so differently from one another.
roach
03-21-2012, 12:26 PM
I love this one :hehe:
It never fails to surprise me how people can perceive the same event so differently from one another.
this is why some people hate the prequels...they brought their preconceived notions into the film and when things filmed didn't fit they hated it.
this is why some people hate the prequels...they brought their preconceived notions into the film and when things filmed didn't fit they hated it.
Or maybe it's because some of us have actually read the rough drafts for the Journal of the Whills and backstory of Anakin's fall and know the concepts in it would have been better in the prequels today... :whatever:
The Morningstar
03-21-2012, 01:01 PM
Or maybe it's just because the prequels were crap films that failed to do what they were created to do, which was tell us how Anakin became Vader, in a good way.
roach
03-21-2012, 01:14 PM
this is why some people hate the prequels...they brought their preconceived notions into the film and when things filmed didn't fit they hated it.
active word in the sentence was SOME. C'mon guys reading comprehension
roach
03-21-2012, 01:15 PM
Or maybe it's because some of us have actually read the rough drafts for the Journal of the Whills and backstory of Anakin's fall and know the concepts in it would have been better in the prequels today... :whatever:
point proved
Destructus86
03-21-2012, 01:43 PM
And Dooku was trained by Yoda and has a lifetime of Jedi knowledge and now Sith knowledge and is known as one of the greatest lights abet duelist ever.
And got owned by Sidious :P
Marvolo
03-21-2012, 01:46 PM
point proved
Well, its not their fault superior ideas and scripts were thrown to the wayside in favor of the flawed scripts that were used. It is somewhat upsetting.
roach
03-21-2012, 03:29 PM
Well, its not their fault superior ideas and scripts were thrown to the wayside in favor of the flawed scripts that were used. It is somewhat upsetting.
There's an old film saying...not everything that looks good on paper looks good on film
OptimusPrime114
03-21-2012, 03:38 PM
You know what, that's it. This is the last straw!
If you like/love the prequels without prejudice, raise your hand.
Because I don't want to be alone.
The_Raganork
03-21-2012, 03:45 PM
You're not alone. People just NEED to hate them for whatever reason.
Are they perfect? No
But they're still decent action/fantasy films
Look up the scripts for Revenge of the Jedi, the book "The Secret History of Star Wars", and the rough draft for Fall of the Republic. I've read them and used elements of these is my ideas for fan fiction.
The_Raganork
03-21-2012, 04:07 PM
Ok?
There's an old film saying...not everything that looks good on paper looks good on film
lol too true. There's ideas out there for the saga that some fans think are awesome (especially their own) and it's what should have happened that in my opinion simply suck. My hope is that the future of the saga (if there's any movie possibilities in any way) never falls in the hands of such fans. Lord knows where some would take it *shudders*. I hope Lucas has taken care of all of that in his will and testimony.
You're not alone Optimus, have no fear lol.
By the way, if there's anyone here registered over at theforce.net forums make sure you have a working email specified in your profile, cause the board upgrade is happening today and you dont want to be locked out of your account when they move to the new boards.
Young Superman
03-21-2012, 04:51 PM
You know what, that's it. This is the last straw!
If you like/love the prequels without prejudice, raise your hand.
Because I don't want to be alone.
I like the prequels, I don't get why People hate them.
redhawk23
03-21-2012, 04:56 PM
While its fine to like them, people can haver very legitimate reasons for thinking they are bad films on a number of levels, in terms of story, characterization, acting etc.
CGHulk
03-21-2012, 05:52 PM
While its fine to like them, people do have very legitimate reasons for thinking they are bad films on a number of levels, in terms of story, characterization, acting etc.
Corrected.
OptimusPrime114
03-21-2012, 06:19 PM
I like the prequels, I don't get why People hate them.
I know, right? Every time i hear someone who doesn't like prequels, I feel like they're saying the prequels are as bad as, say, "Batman & Robin" or "Battlefield Earth".
While its fine to like them, people can haver very legitimate reasons for thinking they are bad films on a number of levels, in terms of story, characterization, acting etc.
While its fine to hate them, people can have very legitimate reasons for thinking they are good films on a number of levels, in terms of story, characterization, acting, etc.
Switching topics somewhat, here's some Dave Filoni thoughts on season 5 of Clone Wars. Thanks to the CW season 5 group over at facebook for sharing the info :D
"-I think that the character development that you saw this season is going to pay off next season, more than it has in any other season. We introduce several ideas about Ahsoka and where she's going. Ahsoka has a huge year next year. And I think people who have been loyal to the show and have watched it since the beginning and watched this kid grow up, there are definitely things that are going to happen to her next year that change her forever as a character, relating to the other characters especially. So that's going to be a big deal. Lux Bonteri will come back. We'll bring the Death Watch back. Katee Sackhoff's character Bo-Katan comes back and has a lot more to do. Maul, obviously, will be back."
"-Hondo Ohnaka comes back, and I like Hondo very much, played by Jim Cummings. He's probably one of our favorite characters that we created specifically for the show. George really loved Hondo, and there's some really great improvisation work by Jim. We always love having him around, and he shows up quite a bit. So there's a lot going on. Artoo has, I think, his best moment of the show coming up in that season. Everybody loves Artoo. But no more pixie dust stuff for Artoo. He's on a real mission for a change. You'll get to see that. This is pretty good spoiler stuff here!"
And to be honest, it gets worse for him (Obi-Wan). I mean Maul is just a thorn in his side. But it's good because it raises the drama. (*insert my screaming here*).
... and I keep promising, and I will deliver, that Star Wars Celebration VI -- if you can get down for that -- that's going to be a Clone Wars showcase for me. I feel we gain nothing by holding back at that point. We're going to show you some intense stuff. We did last time. And this time I really want to go even more all out because I think what was great about that experience was the word of mouth from fans that there was this character Savage Opress who was going to come on the show was great. The fans have proved it: we benefit, I think, from showing them really cool stuff at the convention, and I think enough people are on board that I can show you some really cool stuff at that convention. If I see you there or at Comic-Con, I'll do my best to have our best there.
More from Filoni here: http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/122/1221285p1.html
Hunter Rider
03-21-2012, 11:09 PM
Poor Bim, her Obi-Wan is in for more whoopings next season. I'm interested to see what they do with Ahsoka's development and the return of Death Watch, especially with Bo-Katan being developed, should be cool.
Also glad Hondo will be back, he always feels like an OT character to me.
Mace Windu would be smoking a suspicious looking contraption. Padme would be wearing a form of bikini. Anakin would be yelling OPTIM... oops i mean OBI WAN! every 10 minutes. Palpatine would be striking hammy menacing poses whilst saying "All hail Sideous!" The storm/clone troopers would be the most bad ass and awesome guys ever. American flags would some how appear.
:lmao:
this is why some people hate the prequels...they brought their preconceived notions into the film and when things filmed didn't fit they hated it.
Agreed.
Ok?
Those are some of the scripts that reveal the background details of Darth Vader's backstory.
Poor Bim, her Obi-Wan is in for more whoopings next season. I'm interested to see what they do with Ahsoka's development and the return of Death Watch, especially with Bo-Katan being developed, should be cool.
Looks to me like you're enjoying this :argh:
Yeah i admit, i'm curious about Ahsoka after those hints. Could she be leaving the jedi order for love? *rubs chin lost in thought*. He also said some interesting things about Rex in that interview, and Order 66. I hope they do find a way to put that in, could be interesting to see it from the clone's perspective.
Erzengel
03-22-2012, 12:58 PM
Selling my mini MR lightsabers and blaster, if anyone's interested.
Hunter Rider
03-22-2012, 01:40 PM
This arrived today!
http://s18.postimage.org/98314j1p5/Luke_Jedi01.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
Looks to me like you're enjoying this :argh:
Yeah i admit, i'm curious about Ahsoka after those hints. Could she be leaving the jedi order for love? *rubs chin lost in thought*. He also said some interesting things about Rex in that interview, and Order 66. I hope they do find a way to put that in, could be interesting to see it from the clone's perspective.
:funny:
What did he say about Rex and Order 66? I'm wondering if you are right about Ahsoka leaving the Jedi order because she wants to be with Lux and the council wont accept it, this could give Anakin further doubt about the ways of the Jedi.
Selling my mini MR lightsabers and blaster, if anyone's interested.
Making room for something new?
roach
03-22-2012, 01:51 PM
I think what will happen is Ashoka wants to be with Lux and since its against Jedi sanctions...Anakin helps to fake her death...everyone thinks she is dead which is why no one brings her up in the movies
Erzengel
03-22-2012, 01:52 PM
Making room for something new?
They are just sitting in a closet right now. And I don't want to get caught up with trying to complete that set.
The Caped Knight
03-22-2012, 03:03 PM
This arrived today!
http://s18.postimage.org/98314j1p5/Luke_Jedi01.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
How much does that cost ?
The_Raganork
03-22-2012, 03:24 PM
How much does that cost ?
An arm and a leg...
:awesome:
http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/goofy.jpg
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