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[liveman789]

I'd also be fine with him dying doing something heroically in Avengers 2, so that if he's gone for any future Avengers movie it's not because he doesn't feel like it or like the team.

[Arcam]

The Hulk is going to be such a popular character especially with younger audiences, I can't see them getting rid of him for Avengers 2 or 3.
After the first 3 Avengers movies are finished, then maybe they'll have a change.

[chiefchirpa]

I keep thinking that Hulk is gonna get Teleported some where into space by Loki for some reason. What if he poped up in Guardians of the Galaxy.


John Carter of the Hulk? Planet Hulk without having other heroes (including Iron Man) as "villains"?

I think that's a good premise for the next Hulk movie and they could introduce GOTG characters like Rocket Raccoon and StarLord there.

[Smashlilman]

I can see them creating a Planet Hulk scenario for movie Hulk but it would never evolve into a World War Hulk situation since the motivators aren't present.

[Praxis222]

Plus with the whole Hulk tv series being developed, popularity would keep him in the public consciousness.
And if the series does end up being connected to the MCU, it could, even though it's set prior to the events of "TIH", potentially generate some interesting story possibilities that might be worth expanding on in the movies. Sort of like how Captain America can now tell cohabitating stories set both in the past and present.

[Smashlilman]

Hell they could make a Captain America Tv series set during the 3 years of World War 2.

[liveman789]

Yeah, Hulk has his tv show. If anyone should be worried about getting a sequel, it's Captain America. Iron Man is getting a trilogy, and Thor probably will too with his huge box office success. Cap is just harder to do I feel being that they set his time as Captain America in the 40's in too short of a time span.

I also feel like his popularity will be overshadowed in this movie by the 3 more powerful superheroes.

[BigThor]

I just feel Like Hulk is the most overall popular character on the Avengers

Really now?

The performance of his solo films sure as hell didn't reflect him being the most popular character, I think that honor belongs to Iron Man.

Yeah, Hulk has his tv show. If anyone should be worried about getting a sequel, it's Captain America. Iron Man is getting a trilogy, and Thor probably will too with his huge box office success. Cap is just harder to do I feel being that they set his time as Captain America in the 40's in too short of a time span.

I also feel like his popularity will be overshadowed in this movie by the 3 more powerful superheroes.

I don't think Cap's poplularity is going to be overshadowed just because IM, Hulk, and Thor are more powerful, if anything the GA has shown us that low-powered characters are usually the most popular (Spider-Man, Batman etc.)

[Smashlilman]

Hulk as a character is popular. His films just happen to be sub par. Kind of like how Superman is popular but His movie was also garbage.

[BigThor]

I just don't think he's as popular as alot of people think he is, both of his films were serviceable and they were both better than X3 and XO:Wolverine which made far more than either of them.

[Oberon sexton]

Hulk's probably not the most popular character in the film, but most definitely the most Iconic.

[The Morningstar]

It the long term, yea. Marvels most well known characters of all time are Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine.

But thanks to the movies Iron Man is right up there, Thor and Cap are getting there.

[BigThor]

Thor is easily the least popular of the main four, I mean seriously if you go on youtube or The Avengers facebook page hardly any of the comments are about Thor.

You'd think a guy with an interesting mythology and a power set as cool as his would be alot more popular.

[The Morningstar]

I'm sure after this movie they will all be more popular.

The marketing is showing more money shots of Stark, but I think that's clever. It draws the audience in for Iron Man, but then in the actual movie i'm sure they plan on blowing the audience away with the other characters.

[herolee10]

I'm sure after this movie they will all be more popular.

The marketing is showing more money shots of Stark, but I think that's clever. It draws the audience in for Iron Man, but then in the actual movie i'm sure they plan on blowing the audience away with the other characters.

Yep; and I'm still glad to this day that Whedon and Downey realized that a film like this wouldn't have worked if they focused everything around Tony's character as well.

I didn't want Iron Man, or any other character, to get the kind of emphasis that Wolverine has gotten in his X-Men films, where everyone else just feels like background or supporting characters at times.

[BigThor]

I'm sure after this movie they will all be more popular.

The marketing is showing more money shots of Stark, but I think that's clever. It draws the audience in for Iron Man, but then in the actual movie i'm sure they plan on blowing the audience away with the other characters.

Don't you think other characters also having money shots would make the film look even cooler to the GA?

[The Morningstar]

It'd be stupid of Marvel to not give the big 4 equal moments of greatness anyway. You make them impressive because of their sequels. Hulk for example, I bet Marvel are banking on him to be really popular in this movie, so they could maybe try another solo film.

[The Morningstar]

Don't you think other characters also having money shots would make the film look even cooler to the GA?

In the film of course.

But for the trailer they know Iron Man is the most popular, so they are showing some of his best bits from the movie. They seem to be holding back with the others, Cap and Thor especially. There is so much stuff we haven't seen yet. It's not like one of those trailers that has all the best bits in it, so it loses the impact when you finally see the film.

That said the trailer is well structured, the way it starts with the introduction of the characters. Cap in the gym, Banner in that shack. Thor talking to SHIELD. Then Stark flying up to his penthouse. Cool little character moments to open the trailer. See even though it is "Transformer-ish" with the action and spectacle, it already seems more character driven.

[BigThor]

It'd be stupid of Marvel to not give the big 4 equal moments of greatness anyway. You make them impressive because of their sequels. Hulk for example, I bet Marvel are banking on him to be really popular in this movie, so they could maybe try another solo film.

I do think Hulk is going to be very popular in this film, some people are even acting as if he's this new character that doesn't already have two solo films.

In the film of course.

But for the trailer they know Iron Man is the most popular, so they are showing some of his best bits from the movie. They seem to be holding back with the others, Cap and Thor especially. There is so much stuff we haven't seen yet. It's not like one of those trailers that has all the best bits in it, so it loses the impact when you finally see the film.

Yeah I'm starting to be at ease with the fact that IM has the money shots in the trailers, but from an audience member's stand point I would get more excited from a trailer that has multiple people doing cool things instead of just one.

[herolee10]

Well I definitely can't wait to see when we get character tv spots, since I'm sure we'll have a tv spot made focusing on each member of the group.

[The Morningstar]

There is plenty of cool things for the others. There is a few bad ass shots of Thor. I love the part where he lands on the jet, with the score as well it makes it sick. And when he seems to be in the mountains or is he flying there? Also when he's on the skyscraper.

Cap jumping off that exploding bus in the SB spot. Sky diving shield first, which is awesome.

Remember we've still gotta see that Cap and Thor fight where they are back to back. Hulk vs Thor.

I'm excited to see what they've held back for Loki too. In the first trailer he has a couple of sick scenes.

[BigThor]

^^^ Yeah those scenes are cool no doubt, but nothing to really get the audience excited for those respect characters.

Well I definitely can't wait to see when we get character tv spots, since I'm sure we'll have a tv spot made focusing on each member of the group.

Which is going to be freakin' awesome, I know The Avengers are a team but they deserve a little individual love every once in awhile.

[Kirmit]

Hulk most definitely isn't the most popular Avenger in the MCU, he is however getting the most buzz in general. The reason for this could be multiple things, maybe people think Marvel are finally getting the character right, that he'll show he's the strongest there is, that's how I feel even speaking as someone who loved his previous two outings.

[herolee10]

Hulk most definitely isn't the most popular Avenger in the MCU, he is however getting the most buzz in general. The reason for this could be multiple things, maybe people think Marvel are finally getting the character right, that he'll show he's the strongest there is, that's how I feel even speaking as someone who loved his previous two outings.

Well based on the reports that we've gotten from those that have seen rough cuts of it, it seems like Marvel has gotten the Hulk right this time around in terms of both looks and characterization.

Speaking of which, anyone else find it amusing that so far, we have confirmed shots where the two powerhouses of the team, Thor and Hulk, are shown make some dramatic saves for their respective teammates (Hulk saves Iron Man Mid air and Thor saves Captain America from being overwhelmed by the alien forces)

[BigThor]

Speaking of which, anyone else find it amusing that so far, we have confirmed shots where the two powerhouses of the team, Thor and Hulk, are shown make some dramatic saves for their respective teammates (Hulk saves Iron Man Mid air and Thor saves Captain America from being overwhelmed by the alien forces)


Thor saving Captain America just doesn't seem as epic as Hulk saving Iron Man for some reason, I guess it's because all we've seen from that scene is Thor helping Cap up.

Hulk most definitely isn't the most popular Avenger in the MCU, he is however getting the most buzz in general. The reason for this could be multiple things, maybe people think Marvel are finally getting the character right, that he'll show he's the strongest there is, that's how I feel even speaking as someone who loved his previous two outings.

Hasn't he already shown he's the strongest there is in his previous films?

[Incredible Hans]

I cant unsee the hulk in the dragonfire pic now.
And am I the only one who wants to see hulk speak in the 3rd person in this film? lol. I dont think he ever did in TIH besides " Hulk smash "

Doesn't he say "Leave Hulk alone" early in the movie?

[craigdbfan]

Well based on the reports that we've gotten from those that have seen rough cuts of it, it seems like Marvel has gotten the Hulk right this time around in terms of both looks and characterization.

Speaking of which, anyone else find it amusing that so far, we have confirmed shots where the two powerhouses of the team, Thor and Hulk, are shown make some dramatic saves for their respective teammates (Hulk saves Iron Man Mid air and Thor saves Captain America from being overwhelmed by the alien forces)

I think there will be a moment of them saving each other reinforcing the idea that none of them could do this alone.

"Our world's about to break
Tormented and upset
Lost from when we wake
With no way to go back
I'm standing on my own
But now I'm not alone
Avengers Assemble!
Always we will fight as one
'Til the battles won
With evil on the run
We never come undone
Assembled we are strong
Forever fight as one"We also see Iron Man come to Captain Americas aid in the trailer when he's fighting Loki. You see Cap right behind Tony as he lands crouching and begins to look up.

[Kirmit]

Hasn't he already shown he's the strongest there is in his previous films?

He's had impressive feats, no doubt but IMO no, he hasn't shown he's the strongest there is, nothing on the scale of his comic counterpart. Now, I'm not saying I want them to show him smashing an asteroid double the size of earth or anything on that level but something substantial to show off his abilities.

Doesn't he say "Leave Hulk alone" early in the movie?

Nah, he says 'Leave me alone'.

[BigThor]

He's had impressive feats, no doubt but IMO no, he hasn't shown he's the strongest there is, nothing on the scale of his comic counterpart. Now, I'm not saying I want them to show him smashing an asteroid double the size of earth or anything on that level but something substantial to show off his abilities.

You really think Hulk's gonna have better strength feats in this film than Ang Lee's Hulk?

Nah, he says 'Leave me alone'.

I actually like this more than him saying "Leave Hulk alone", I know it's a part of what makes him Hulk but I'm kind of tired of Hulk being portrayed with a caveman level of intelligence.

[craigdbfan]

I found his feats in both Hulk and TIH damn impressive. When the damaged helicopter is going to ignite Betty into dust his wind clap was definitely a wow factor. He's also engaged a military onslaught several times and survived without that much trouble from his end.

[Kirmit]

You really think Hulk's gonna have better strength feats in this film than Ang Lee's Hulk?

To people like me and you throwing that tank and rock are impressive, we know how much they weigh, roughly, but to the GA, who don't look too far into these things it's like 'Kool he threw a tank' and the rock throw totally gets overlooked, even by fans. I'm saying he should do something that causes the GA to be like 'Wow, did he really just do that?!' and I don't think either film has shown the extent of his abilities.

[BigThor]

I found his feats in both Hulk and TIH damn impressive. When the damaged helicopter is going to ignite Betty into dust his wind clap was definitely a wow factor. He's also engaged a military onslaught several times and survived without that much trouble from his end.

I found his strength feats in both films pretty impressive as well, I loved the way he leaped in the air and slammed back down on one of those sound cannon vehicles in TIH.

To people like me and you throwing that tank and rock are impressive, we know how much they weigh, roughly, but to the GA, who don't look too far into these things it's like 'Kool he threw a tank' and the rock throw totally gets overlooked, even by fans. I'm saying he should do something that causes the GA to be like 'Wow, did he really just do that?!' and I don't think either film has shown the extent of his abilities.

I don't know, I remember alot of people being impressed by the tank throw in HULK and let's not forget that awesome ground pound he did when he made it to the big city.

[Incredible Hans]

Nah, he says 'Leave me alone'.

You're right. That's what he said.

Also it should be "Leave Hulk alone" in my opinion...

[herolee10]

Thor saving Captain America just doesn't seem as epic as Hulk saving Iron Man for some reason, I guess it's because all we've seen from that scene is Thor helping Cap up.





Well, it may not be as visual as Hulk just jumping into the frame and catching Iron Man, but if we were to see some dramatic tension built where it looks like CA may meet his end by being overrun with alien soldiers, only for Thor to dramatically show up from the air with lighting blazing all around him and even the odds by throwing his hammer at several of them before picking CA up, it could be just as epic..in a different way.

[BigThor]

Well, it may not be as visual as Hulk just jumping into the frame and catching Iron Man, but if we were to see some dramatic tension built where it looks like CA may meet his end by being overrun with alien soldiers, only for Thor to dramatically show up from the air with lighting blazing all around him and even the odds by throwing his hammer at several of them before picking CA up, it could be just as epic..in a different way.

Yeah I'm sure it's more to that scene and I would love for Thor to arrive with lightning blazing around him, I was just speaking on what we've seen.

[Smashlilman]

I found his feats in both Hulk and TIH damn impressive. When the damaged helicopter is going to ignite Betty into dust his wind clap was definitely a wow factor. He's also engaged a military onslaught several times and survived without that much trouble from his end.

Movie Hulk is weaker than the Rhino. TIH version :dry:

[Kirmit]

I don't know, I remember alot of people being impressed by the tank throw in HULK and let's not forget that awesome ground pound he did when he made it to the big city.

A good example is in SR where he lifts the island, that's something that I'd deem as a truly impressive feat. If Hulk does something like lift the Leviathan up or starts swinging it around by it's tail then I think it'll give the GA a better impression of how strong he really is.

[craigdbfan]

Yeah I'm sure it's more to that scene and I would love for Thor to arrive with lightning blazing around him, I was just speaking on what we've seen.

I really can't wait to see some awesomely rendered/composted lightning scenes from the VFX companies this time around.

I'd love to see a sequence of events akin to this:


http://i.imgur.com/eeVKE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uDll7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/trrOD.jpg

[BigThor]

A good example is in SR where he lifts the island, that's something that I'd deem as a truly impressive feat. If Hulk does something like lift the Leviathan up or starts swinging it around by it's tail then I think it'll give the GA a better impression of how strong he really is.

I see where you're coming from, I feel that same away about Thor who didn't really have ANY impressive feats in his solo film.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if Hulk does something of that caliber in this film, but things are looking a bit bleak concerning Thor pulling off cool strength feats.

[Smashlilman]

A good example is in SR where he lifts the island, that's something that I'd deem as a truly impressive feat. If Hulk does something like lift the Leviathan up or starts swinging it around by it's tail then I think it'll give the GA a better impression of how strong he really is.

Yea same. I want Hulk and Thor to have Feats of Strength but they have to be with in the context of a battle and not just a stand alone scene just to show how strong they are. That why Supermans feats in SR were so boring with the acception of the Plane scene.

[BigThor]

I really can't wait to see some awesomely rendered/composted lightning scenes from the VFX companies this time around.

I'd love to see a sequence of events akin to this:


http://i.imgur.com/eeVKE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uDll7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/trrOD.jpg


Hell yeah dude, I'd love for there to be a scene where it looks like Thor is basically powering up with lightning like in that last pic.

http://i.imgur.com/trrOD.jpg

[Kirmit]

I see where you're coming from, I feel that same away about Thor who didn't really have ANY impressive feats in his solo film.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if Hulk does something of that caliber in this film, but things are looking a bit bleak concerning Thor pulling off cool strength feats.

To be honest I don't think they're going to play up Thor's strength, I get the feeling again that he'll be heavily reliant on his hammer for hitting things. With that said, I do think they'll play up his power, maybe using lightening to take out a leviathan or taking out a whole street of enemies with a storm.


Yea same. I want Hulk and Thor to have Feats of Strength but they have to be with in the context of a battle and not just a stand alone scene just to show how strong they are. That why Supermans feats in SR were so boring with the acception of the Plane scene.

Well if it's true that there's two leviathans then it could be the team starts fighting them but then Iron Man has to start taking out more of the ships, Cap, Hawkeye and Black Widow have ground troops to fight so it's left upto Hulk and Thor to take out the Leviathans.

[BigThor]

To be honest I don't think they're going to play up Thor's strength, I get the feeling again that he'll be heavily reliant on his hammer for hitting things. With that said, I do think they'll play up his power, maybe using lightening to take out a leviathan or taking out a whole street of enemies with a storm.

I wouldn't like that very much either, Thor's super strength is just as important to his character as lightning and Mjolnir.

I don't see why they can't just show his strength & his other powers, the GA doesn't know much about Thor's and leaving out one of his most important powers out wouldn't be doing him any favors.

[Smashlilman]

I will say this BigThor Thor's Super Strength will most like be displayed when Hulk and Thor go head to head.

[BigThor]

I will say this BigThor Thor's Super Strength will most like be displayed when Hulk and Thor go head to head.

I don't know, they might just have him attacking with Mjolnir but I would definately accept Thor sending Hulk flying with a punch as a cool feat of strength.

[Smashlilman]

I don't know, they might just have him attacking with Mjolnir but I would definately accept Thor sending Hulk flying with a punch as a cool feat of strength.

Thats one think that been missing form superhero films. Power Punches!!! like Punches that send people air born and propels them a quarter of a mile to a mile away form the initial blow. Blows like that also make the battle fell like there taking place over a much larger area.

[craigdbfan]

Hell even Chronicle did that better than any superhero movie I've seen recently.

A blow by blow fist fight that includes both Hulk and Thor would be so incredible.

[BigThor]

Thats one think that been missing form superhero films. Power Punches!!! like Punches that send people air born and propels them a quarter of a mile to a mile away form the initial blow. Blow like that also make the battle fell like there taking place over a much larger area.

You're right, there wasn't any power punches either of the Hulk films, THOR, either Iron Man films or most superhero films in general.

[Smashlilman]

I have a question. People keep staying that the Watchmen couldn't fight there Giant squid because it wouldn't look right but Hell boy fought his squid monster and no one complained. So do you guys think that the Avengers fighting the leviathan/s will open the door for more exotic monster to show up in Superhero movies and silence the nay sayers?

[BigThor]

Hell even Chronicle did that better than any superhero movie I've seen recently.

A blow by blow fist fight that includes both Hulk and Thor would be so incredible.

I agree the final fight of Chronicle was much better than any one on one fight scene of any superhero film in recent memory.

[Smashlilman]

You're right, there wasn't any power punches either of the Hulk films, THOR, either Iron Man films or most superhero films in general.

Ironman 1 a few. He was beating up those terrorist that took that village hostage. He beat the living hell out of them. Sent one guy flying 2 stories in the air.

[BigThor]

Ironman 1 a few. He was beating up those terrorist that took that village hostage. He beat the living hell out of them. Sent one guy flying 2 stories in the air.

He sure did I don't know how I managed to forget about that punch, that was one of my favorite scenes from the Iron Man films.

[herolee10]

I wonder if this will be the first film since Iron Man 1 where we actually see innocent civilian (non government soldiers or local authorities) casualties on screen.

It seems like there'll be a large body count in this film.

[Smashlilman]

lol thats why i didn't like Ironman 2 that much. The action just didn't compare to IM1.

[BigThor]

lol thats why i didn't like Ironman 2 that much. The action just didn't compare to IM1.

I don't care if Iron Man's suit case armor was less powerful, I still think Whiplash should've been sent flying when IM punched him on the race track.

[xeno000]

Hulk most definitely isn't the most popular Avenger in the MCU, he is however getting the most buzz in general. The reason for this could be multiple things, maybe people think Marvel are finally getting the character right, that he'll show he's the strongest there is, that's how I feel even speaking as someone who loved his previous two outings.


Agreed. Tony Stark/Iron Man is definitely the most popular character in the MCU. No one else comes close to his popularity with the general public. Hulk is well-known, but he has failed to spark as much interest in the two chances he's had at cinematic glory.

[SpideyFan866]

I have a question. People keep staying that the Watchmen couldn't fight there Giant squid because it wouldn't look right but Hell boy fought his squid monster and no one complained. So do you guys think that the Avengers fighting the leviathan/s will open the door for more exotic monster to show up in Superhero movies and silence the nay sayers?


I hope so becaue I want the JLA to fight Starro so I can see Batman's "What the ****?" face.

[Dark Raven]

Agreed. Tony Stark/Iron Man is definitely the most popular character in the MCU. No one else comes close to his popularity with the general public. Hulk is well-known, but he has failed to spark as much interest in the two chances he's had at cinematic glory.

Yeah, with the general public, when you mention Iron Man, the attitude towards him is usually :awesome:

When you mention Hulk, it's usually :whatever:

[Smashlilman]

Agreed. Tony Stark/Iron Man is definitely the most popular character in the MCU. No one else comes close to his popularity with the general public. Hulk is well-known, but he has failed to spark as much interest in the two chances he's had at cinematic glory.

lol read the comments from the trailer. It looks like Hulk is regaining his comic popularity in Movie form. People are starting to take an interest in him. All I know is that if Hulk as a strong showing in the movie, people will left saying we want more Hulk by the end. We could end up with a another Heavy hitter in the MCU. Its weird people want to like Hulk they just don't like his movies.

[SpideyFan866]

Agreed. Tony Stark/Iron Man is definitely the most popular character in the MCU. No one else comes close to his popularity with the general public. Hulk is well-known, but he has failed to spark as much interest in the two chances he's had at cinematic glory.

WRONG! The Hulk is more popular than all of the other Avengers and has been for over 30 years. If "the Big 3" was based on popularity, Hulk would be #1.

Maybe in the past few years these others have grown in popularity by a hugge margin but Hulk is and was more popular.

[Nova2113]

Absolutely... dude would knock it out of the park. Never occured to me.

And just picture this father-son duo

http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/eye-candy-aldis-hodge-7.jpg

http://cdn.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/denzel.jpeg


VERY VERY good choice.... Hodge is great on Leverage and shows intelligence on that show... I think he would fit.

DW could kick me int he face and I'll still have love for dude lol

[Hawkingbird]

....My faveourite is Hawkeye and Black Widow
...and Iron Man....and Cap...
So ha!

[Dark Raven]

WRONG! The Hulk is more popular than all of the other Avengers and has been for over 30 years. If "the Big 3" was based on popularity, Hulk would be #1.

Maybe in the past few years these others have grown in popularity by a hugge margin but Hulk is and was more popular.

The way I see it is that Hulk is like Burt Reynolds in Boogie Nights: an actor who once was popular but had fallen out of popularity, but was given a chance to shine once again in an ensemble film and even earn an Academy Award nomination. As for carrying a film himself again, who knows?

[BigThor]

Well if it's true that there's two leviathans then it could be the team starts fighting them but then Iron Man has to start taking out more of the ships, Cap, Hawkeye and Black Widow have ground troops to fight so it's left upto Hulk and Thor to take out the Leviathans.

I'd love for this to be the case, I know people want the leviathans to be a "team effort" but someone's gonna have to keep fighting the infantry and air ships.

I think it would make perfect sense for Thor and Hulk to take on the Leviathans while the rest of the team deals with the other factions of Loki's army.

[Smashlilman]

I hope so becaue I want the JLA to fight Starro so I can see Batman's "What the ****?" face.

The thing that makes me mad are all the people saying you can't do any of superman's villains because there too far out there. I remember people saying that Darksied wouldn't work on film.

The next think you know Marvel will ends up introducing Thanos. That will shut those people up for a while and hopefully well get to see the WB make a Comic book movie with out striping all the Comic bookiness out of it. :oldrazz:

WRONG! The Hulk is more popular than all of the other Avengers and has been for over 30 years. If "the Big 3" was based on popularity, Hulk would be #1.

Maybe in the past few years these others have grown in popularity by a hugge margin but Hulk is and was more popular.

Hulk is popular but his popularity hasn't migrated to film yet.

[Moridin]

Wow...Just looked up his age, I had no idea he was 48. He doesn't look it.

Yeah, it's a pity, Hounsou is awesome.

Hulk as a character is popular. His films just happen to be sub par. Kind of like how Superman is popular but His movie was also garbage.

I would say Hulk massively well known with the GA, but not necessarily popular. Kind of like Superman.

[DyeLorean]

Did anybody post this?

It's the Avengers trailer... but in Marvel Animation style!

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[BigThor]

Yep, being well known and popular are two different things that people often seem to confuse as being the same thing.

[Smashlilman]

I would say Hulk massively well known with the GA, but not necessarily popular. Kind of like Superman.

There well know because they were massively popular at one point.

[Rock Sexton]

A good example is in SR where he lifts the island, that's something that I'd deem as a truly impressive feat. If Hulk does something like lift the Leviathan up or starts swinging it around by it's tail then I think it'll give the GA a better impression of how strong he really is.

No offense, but you're trippin' if you think you're gonna see something like that in the movie-verse. There stands as much chance of the GA laughing at that like "Really???" as there does them being in awe. The disparity of the size factor alone can create issues with suspension of disbelief.

[Shadowlord X]

Just to comment.

I agree with BigThor on the trailer. As MAGNIFICENT as it is, it could have been improved with a real money shot for THOR and CAPTAIN AMERICA. If I were to modify it slightly, the battle scene with IRON MAN and the alien sky cycles in the streets would not of been followed immediately by the scene with him flying up towards the portal, but rather I would have replaced that with a cool shot of CAP and THOR back to back battling the alien ground forces with cool moves, OR the shot of CAP leaping off the bus followed by THOR hammering the car into the air. THEN I'd have the shot of IRON MAN being knocked out of the air and caught by HULK.

However in the end I really don't mind that they have saved so much for the real movie.

It's virtually a PERFECT trailer!!!

[BigThor]

No offense, but you're trippin' if you think you're gonna see something like that in the movie-verse. There stands as much chance of the GA laughing at something like that as there does them being in awe. The disparity of the size factor alone can create issues with suspension of disbelief.

Hulk also isn't able to fly like Superman which would make pulling off something of that magnitude alot less believable.

[SpideyFan866]

The thing that makes me mad are all the people saying you can't do any of superman's villains because there too far out there. I remember people saying that Darksied wouldn't work on film.

The next think you know Marvel will ends up introducing Thanos. That will shut those people up for a while and hopefully well get to see the WB make a Comic book movie with out striping all the Comic bookiness out of it. :oldrazz:



Hulk is popular but his popularity hasn't migrated to film yet.

Superman has one of the best rogues gallery of any hero. Some of the villains are more out there like Mxyzptlk but they could still be portrayed on film.

I hope that WB learns that. I'm happy with the villain choice in the current Man of Steel film but I hope they bring in other villains such as Bizarro or Brainiac.

[Dark Raven]

Yep, being well known and popular are two different things that people often seem to confuse as being the same thing.

Iron Man seems to be the one whom the general audience are quite happy to admit that they find him cool to like, even if they are non comic fans. He simply seems to be someone who resonates with people - not just RDJ but the whole concept: confident fast-talking Alpha male, playboy, fast cars, cool gadgets, beautiful women, lots of money etc.

Hulk, on the other hand, although well known, seems to be the character that most of the general public go :whatever: at, particularly as he's perceived as this mindless raging monster. He seems to epitomise the comic book movie that only appeals to a very specific audience. He simply doesn't have the same broad appeal as Iron Man.

[Hawkingbird]

Did anybody post this?

It's the Avengers trailer... but in Marvel Animation style!

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Brilliant!!!

[Rock Sexton]

I have a question. People keep staying that the Watchmen couldn't fight there Giant squid because it wouldn't look right but Hell boy fought his squid monster and no one complained. So do you guys think that the Avengers fighting the leviathan/s will open the door for more exotic monster to show up in Superhero movies and silence the nay sayers?

It's really not as simple as that. It all depends on the context. Obviously a movie like Hellboy people are going to accept seeing "exotic" creatures as the movie establishes that kind of universe.

Watchmen's movie did not do that IMO. The Avengers, due to Thor/Loki's involvements, essentially allows for it and to not seem out of place.

[Smashlilman]

No offense, but you're trippin' if you think you're gonna see something like that in the movie-verse. There stands as much chance of the GA laughing at that like "Really???" as there does them being in awe. The disparity of the size factor alone can create issues with suspension of disbelief.

Once you set up the Movie verse rules the GA will accept it as long as you don't violate the rules you set. for the Hulk it will be he get stronger and stronger. If they show him doing greater and greater feats and he get to the point to were he could lift something that large the GA will accept it.

[BigThor]

Just to comment.

I agree with BigThor on the trailer. As MAGNIFICENT as it is, it could have been improved with a real money shot for THOR and CAPTAIN AMERICA. If I were to modify it slightly, the battle scene with IRON MAN and the alien sky cycles in the streets would not of been followed immediately by the scene with him flying up towards the portal, but rather I would have replaced that with a cool shot of CAP and THOR back to back battling the alien ground forces with cool moves, OR the shot of CAP leaping off the bus followed by THOR hammering the car into the air. THEN I'd have the shot of IRON MAN being knocked out of the air and caught by HULK.

However in the end I really don't mind that they have saved so much for the real movie.

It's virtually a PERFECT trailer!!!

I agree and I'm glad that we have similar views on the trailer.

Iron Man seems to be the one whom the general audience are quite happy to admit that they find him cool to like, even if they are non comic fans. He simply seems to be someone who resonates with people - not just RDJ but the whole concept: confident fast-talking Alpha male, playboy, fast cars, cool gadgets, beautiful women, lots of money etc.

Hulk, on the other hand, although well known, seems to be the character that most of the general public go :whatever: at, particularly as he's perceived as this mindless raging monster. He seems to epitomise the comic book movie that only appeals to a very specific audience. He simply doesn't have the same broad appeal as Iron Man.

Exactly :word:

[Rock Sexton]

Once you set up the Movie verse rules the GA will accept it as long as you don't violate the rules you set. for the Hulk it will be he get stronger and stronger. If they show him doing greater and greater feats and he get to the point to were he could lift something that large the GA will accept it.

They have not set up rules for Hulk to toss something that size like an ant .... and regardless there are limits regardless of what you throw at the GA. They are not subservient to just everything. If Hulk could easily do that, then it relegates the need for the whole Avengers clique to less necessary. He would be a one-man wrecking machine. There has to be a struggle.

[Shadowlord X]

I think it's bit unfair to judge HULK popularity on the performance of his two films.

TIH suffered because of the first one. The first film really left a bad taste in people's mouths, both fans and non-fans. I know there are people here who will defend it but that's irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that it was a COMPLETE MISFIRE.

Thus people just were not interested when TIH came about. I know several people who ignored it completely when it came out and saw it for the first time relatively recently and loved it. TIH is a really good movie.

I suspect also that marketing research at the time percieved a lack of interest from the GA and the decision was made to limit the promotion of the film.

HULK is and has been for a long tiem an A lister, maybe an A- lister now.

[Smashlilman]

lol i don't know if this will be a runing theme in the movie but form the trailer and the behind the scene set stuff, it look like the movie should be called Saving Captain Rogers. :oldrazz:

[Hawkingbird]

I've noticed there's not allot of talk on Hawkeye. Come on guys, Hawkeye's frigging amazing! And he looks fing brilliant!

[Shadowlord X]

Superman has one of the best rogues gallery of any hero. Some of the villains are more out there like Mxyzptlk but they could still be portrayed on film.

I hope that WB learns that. I'm happy with the villain choice in the current Man of Steel film but I hope they bring in other villains such as Bizarro or Brainiac.

I'm not a Superman fan but I respect him as the superhero progenitor; he's bit too been there done that for me.

However I agree that his rogue's gallery is excellent. I'm actually quite disappointed that they picked relatively mundane, done already villains for MOS. I would have gone with Brainiac and Metallo myself (in fact I though up a plot with those 2 that IMO was really good; forgotten it now).

Although I suspect the reason they went with Zod (again) is that the budget doesn't support more exotic villains.

[Dark Raven]

I think it's bit unfair to judge HULK popularity on the performance of his two films.

TIH suffered because of the first one. The first film really left a bad taste in people's mouths, both fans and non-fans. I know there are people here who will defend it but that's irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that it was a COMPLETE MISFIRE.

Thus people just were not interested when TIH came about. I know several people who ignored it completely when it came out and saw it for the first time relatively recently and loved it. TIH is a really good movie.

I suspect also that marketing research at the time percieved a lack of interest from the GA and the decision was made to limit the promotion of the film.

HULK is and has been for a long tiem an A lister, maybe an A- lister now.

I don't think Hulk is simply judged on the success of his two films. Even at the time that Ang Lee's movie was about to come out (ie before it could even be a success or failure), I remember people still rolling their eyes at the thought of him, whereas with Spider-Man he was thought of as cool.

People seem to think you're more of a comic book nerd if you say you're going to watch the Hulk compared to if you say you're going to watch Spider-Man or Iron Man.

It's just the Hulk concept that doesn't sit as well with the general audience. He's undoubtedly extremely well known, but more in the same way that King Kong is well known compared to someone like James Bond. James Bond simply has a broader appeal and Iron Man is almost like the Bond concept except with added armour.

Hulk just doesn't draw in other casual moviegoers who might not necessarily like comic films. That is undoubtedly part of why he's not been as successful in movies, apart from the problems inherent in the actual films themselves.

[Smashlilman]

It's really not as simple as that. It all depends on the context. Obviously a movie like Hellboy people are going to accept seeing "exotic" creatures as the movie establishes that kind of universe.

Watchmen's movie did not do that IMO. The Avengers, due to Thor/Loki's involvements, essentially allows for it and to not seem out of place.

Anything can be done. Its just up to the director to have some courage and vision. Kind of remind me of when Brett Ratner:barf: neutered the Phoenix and the Juggernaut because they didn't fit mutant mold he had in his mind.

[BigThor]

However I agree that his rogue's gallery is excellent. I'm actually quite disappointed that they picked relatively mundane, done already villains for MOS. I would have gone with Brainiac and Metallo myself (in fact I though up a plot with those 2 that IMO was really good; forgotten it now).

Although I suspect the reason they went with Zod (again) is that the budget doesn't support more exotic villains.


Yeah I would've loved to see Brianiac as the main villain of MOS with Metallo as his "muscle", I wasn't too pleased to hear that General Zod would return as the villain in a Superman film.

[Nightwing]

Absolutely... dude would knock it out of the park. Never occured to me.

And just picture this father-son duo

http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/eye-candy-aldis-hodge-7.jpg

http://cdn.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/denzel.jpeg

The simple word is...win.

[Hawkingbird]

Anybody else keen on Emily Blunt being Spider Woman?
http://http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=103&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=624&addh=36&tbm=isch&tbnid=pWDZH5sDARbnaM:&imgrefurl=http://judyhalone.com/2009/12/09/emily-blunts-new-hobby-playing-the-ukulele/&docid=QwkdCPJA_bdQ9M&imgurl=http://judyhalone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Emily-Blunt.jpg&w=309&h=400&ei=bDVST9yUM_GT0QWX-aT6Cw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=475&sig=117675414163586704562&page=4&tbnh=134&tbnw=111&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:33,s:103&tx=75&ty=42

[Dark Raven]

I think Aldis Hodge is likeable and personable enough in his own right to bring Black Panther to life without him seeming like a royal bore (pun intended). While I'm sure someone like Djimon Honsou would do well and could certainly portray T'Challa's regal qualities, I'm not sure how interesting he would really be that audiences would really invest in his journey from someone who has the BP mantle thrust upon him to a confident ruler. Hodge has age on his side and is probably more humourous and easy going than Honsou in general, but can also play serious.

[Rock Sexton]

Anything can be done. Its just up to the director to have some courage and vision. Kind of remind me of when Brett Ratner:barf: neutered the Phoenix and the Juggernaut because they didn't fit mutant mold he had in his mind.

You seriously need to separate the comic-verse from the movie-verse. "Anything" cannot be done because of inherent story telling flaws that a script writer faces. You risk punching major holes in the struggle you're trying to establish for the movies central characters.

[Smashlilman]

They have not set up rules for Hulk to toss something that size like an ant .... and regardless there are limits regardless of what you throw at the GA. They are not subservient to just everything. If Hulk could easily do that, then it relegates the need for the whole Avengers clique to less necessary. He would be a one-man wrecking machine. There has to be a struggle.

Um nope. The Strength of Loki's forces determines the need for the team. Not the Strength of the Hulk or Thor or any super hero for that matter.

Plus the Avengers Team is based around Cap, Ironman, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. Hulk and Thor join the team after the fact. They that are there to sever as the Heavy arms for the other member.

[Rock Sexton]

Um nope. The Strength of his enemies determines the need for the team. Not the Strength of the Hulk or Thor or any super hero for that matter.

Plus the Avengers Team is based around Cap, Ironman, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. Hulk and Thor join the team after the fact. They that are there to sever as the Heavy arms for the other member.

Fury knew he'd be fighting a giant armored serpent?

The strength of the heroes has to be kept within limits in order to prevent issues with their struggle in the movie. If all Hulk has to do is grab the Leviathon by the tail then it makes everything else seem so pointless. Nobody else is necessary. Just turn your giant green rage monster on the invaders and that should suffice because after all, he can toss a creature the size of an NY building.

[BigThor]

Um nope. The Strength of Loki's forces determines the need for the team. Not the Strength of the Hulk or Thor or any super hero for that matter.

Plus the Avengers Team is based around Cap, Ironman, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. Hulk and Thor join the team after the fact. They that are there to sever as the Heavy arms for the other member.

Actually the team is based around Thor and Hulk as well, remember Coulson wanted to debrief Thor in his solo film and Tony Stark met up with General Ross to discuss Hulk in TIH.

[Hawkingbird]

Look, I think we should just accept that the key characters are Cap, Hulk, Iron Man and Thor..
...but I still love Hawkeye and Widow:whatever:

[Dark Raven]

Anybody else keen on Emily Blunt being Spider Woman?
http://http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=103&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=624&addh=36&tbm=isch&tbnid=pWDZH5sDARbnaM:&imgrefurl=http://judyhalone.com/2009/12/09/emily-blunts-new-hobby-playing-the-ukulele/&docid=QwkdCPJA_bdQ9M&imgurl=http://judyhalone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Emily-Blunt.jpg&w=309&h=400&ei=bDVST9yUM_GT0QWX-aT6Cw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=475&sig=117675414163586704562&page=4&tbnh=134&tbnw=111&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:33,s:103&tx=75&ty=42

She wouldn't be a bad suggestion at all! I never thought of her before but she could do it.

Jessica Drew was meant to be British anyway and she would certainly be able to capture that aspect of her. She even has the right colour hair for Jessica to portray her early years before she began dyeing her hair black and kind of looks like early Jessica Drew too.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5120/spiderwoman1.jpg

[Hawkingbird]

She wouldn't be a bad suggestion at all! I never thought of her before but she could do it.

Jessica Drew was meant to be British anyway and she would certainly be able to capture that aspect of her. She even has the right colour hair for Jessica to portray her early years before she began dyeing her hair black and kind of looks like early Jessica Drew too.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5120/spiderwoman1.jpg

If not, she can also use hair dye :woot:

[BigThor]

Look, I think we should just accept that the key characters are Cap, Hulk, Iron Man and Thor..
...but I still love Hawkeye and Widow:whatever:

Hawkeye and Black Widow are cool as well, it's just that there's more to talk about with the other heroes due to them having their own solo films.

[Dark Raven]

I should know a lot more about the Avengers. I have all the comics online but I just haven't read half of them. There just isn't time.

[Vartha]

If not, she can also use hair dye :woot:
lol yeah I thought about that about a year ago. it's been how many years since Jess dyed her hair? THEN the wig? lol :doh:

[Moridin]

There well know because they were massively popular at one point.

Oh definitely, no argument there. They've largely fallen out of favour since though.

Superman has one of the best rogues gallery of any hero. Some of the villains are more out there like Mxyzptlk

Not being a comic reader, how in the BeeJesus would one pronounce that?

[SpideyFan866]

I'm not a Superman fan but I respect him as the superhero progenitor; he's bit too been there done that for me.

However I agree that his rogue's gallery is excellent. I'm actually quite disappointed that they picked relatively mundane, done already villains for MOS. I would have gone with Brainiac and Metallo myself (in fact I though up a plot with those 2 that IMO was really good; forgotten it now).

Although I suspect the reason they went with Zod (again) is that the budget doesn't support more exotic villains.


I want to see Metallo too. I agree that they went Zod is becaue of the budget restraints. Plus, Zod is familiar to audiences so its easier to use him. He lets them use a familiar villain without using Lex Luthor.

BTW I've come up with alot of plots with Braniac and Metallo too. One involved Braniac using Metallo's body as an avatar to fight Superman.

[Vartha]

I should know a lot more about the Avengers. I have all the comics online but I just haven't read half of them. There just isn't time.
ALL of them? including the Westcoast and Great Lakes?

[Brian Braddock]

Ah, the West Coast Avengers. Excuse me while I have a bit of a nostalgia trip. :up:

[BigThor]

I want to see Metallo too. I agree that they went Zod is becaue of the budget restraints. Plus, Zod is familiar to audiences so its easier to use him. He lets them use a familiar villain without using Lex Luthor.

BTW I've come up with alot of plots with Braniac and Metallo too. One involved Braniac using Metallo's body as an avatar to fight Superman.

This is the route I would take with the Superman films.

MOS - Brainiac & Metallo

MOS 2 - Doomsday found and unleashed by Lex Luthor

MOS 3 - Darkseid & his Parademons

[Hawkingbird]

I should know a lot more about the Avengers. I have all the comics online but I just haven't read half of them. There just isn't time.

Well they're FRIGGING AMAZING!
Reading them since I was like 8...and my dad since the 1960's :3

[Dark Raven]

lol yeah I thought about that about a year ago. it's been how many years since Jess dyed her hair? THEN the wig? lol :doh:

She had the wig for a while, but then she stopped using that in later issues when her actual hair grew out that long.

I think Jessica's brown hair has probably been forgotten about by Marvel. She never seems to have any streaks in her black hair or roots showing. She's even often praised for having the most beautiful hair out of the women in the Marvel universe and yet, for all of that, it's dyed black.

I'm guessing Marvel just treat Jessica now as having naturally black hair, which would be fine by me, except that it's a nice little detail that she had to disguise herself more in the early years.

Emily Blunt would have to be in superb shape for Jessica though, because she has such a skintight costume and I would want it to remain that way in the movie. None of this realistic leather or other material. It should be as tight as possible to accentuate every curve and look basically like she's wearing body paint.

[Dark Raven]

ALL of them? including the Westcoast and Great Lakes?

I don't think Great Lakes, but West Coast. Not actual hard copies but digital copies. I couldn't afford the actual ones for an entire collection, although I do have at least about 75-100 in hard copy form.

Well they're FRIGGING AMAZING!
Reading them since I was like 8...and my dad since the 1960's :3

I do enjoy them, but there just isn't time to sit around for hours. Plus I usually forget I even have them.

[Hawkingbird]

Ah crap...I'm crying at the trailer again...

[captainrogers]

Ah crap...I'm crying at the trailer again...

It IS pretty good.

[Hawkingbird]

Is anybody else ticked off at the number of people going
"lol wheres spiderman? look at ironman kik thors ass ha he sucks":doh:

[darthmagic]

I know am late to the party but as for the Black Panther there can be only one. chiwetel ejiofor:yay:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/SNBYGBCG_6I/AAAAAAAAK6U/IoYZh1Bdypw/s400/BlackPanther_Chiwetel.jpg

[craigdbfan]

He's an amazing actor so I'd be completely for it. :up:

[captainrogers]

Is anybody else ticked off at the number of people going
"lol wheres spiderman? look at ironman kik thors ass ha he sucks":doh:
Believe it or not, I've heard those types of coments a lot.
I just tell them to wait 'till they see the movie.
Or just compare Thor to Superman in terms of power. ('cause I figure that's the best and SIMPLEST comparison to a non comics aficionado)
Then I get the "Oh..."
As for the Spidey ish... I have a few friends that still ask if Spideys gonna show up in this or the next Avengers movie.
I've given up on that explanation.
I just tell them the 'legalese' is too difficult to translate at current for that to happen.
Plus Spidey is just fine and does very well when being the underdog and dealing with his own enemies
In his own story.

[WildcatNC]

Is anybody else ticked off at the number of people going
"lol wheres spiderman? look at ironman kik thors ass ha he sucks":doh:

Humanity makes me facepalm sometimes.



Well, a lot actually.

[warhorse78]

Is anybody else ticked off at the number of people going
"lol wheres spiderman? look at ironman kik thors ass ha he sucks":doh:

There's quite a few of the same quotes being repeated over and over. The one I get pissed about the most is "Where's Edward Norton, he should be Hulk" we just can't seem to get across to these people that the man simple would not be a team player in this ensemble, he had to go.

Another one is people complaining about Hawkeye and Black Widow are out of place, but we need the normal humans POV, makes the movie more assessable to regular movie going folk.

[captainrogers]

I know am late to the party but as for the Black Panther there can be only one. chiwetel ejiofor:yay:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/SNBYGBCG_6I/AAAAAAAAK6U/IoYZh1Bdypw/s400/BlackPanther_Chiwetel.jpg

Yup.
Who is the actor that was the bounty hunter in the final Ep of Firefly? I could see him as a contender as well.
I wanted to see MORE of that character. But alas... No more Firefly.
*sobbing in the corner*

[Kirmit]

You're right, there wasn't any power punches either of the Hulk films, THOR, either Iron Man films or most superhero films in general.

True there wasn't super powered punches in either Hulk films but there were two super powered kicks in TIH.

[Godzilla2000]

Humanity makes me facepalm sometimes.

Humanity makes me face palm all the time.

[Dark Raven]

I think we need Black Panther in the next movie if even purely for the visual aspect that he brings. He looks mysterious next to the others and is one of the few characters (apart from Iron Man) who is fully masked. He could look (to the general audience) a bit like a baddie (all in black) so could come across as very cool.

[Vartha]

Ah, the West Coast Avengers. Excuse me while I have a bit of a nostalgia trip. :up: lol That really wasn't that bad of a series.
Great lakes, well I grew up in Chicago...that was just FUN. lol

[Kirmit]

No offense, but you're trippin' if you think you're gonna see something like that in the movie-verse. There stands as much chance of the GA laughing at that like "Really???" as there does them being in awe. The disparity of the size factor alone can create issues with suspension of disbelief.

When I said for him to pick up the Leviathan I wasn't talking about the whole thing, just a section, like if it landed ontop of him, everyone thinks he's been crushed then you see part of the body lifting in the air until you see Hulk.

[Hawkingbird]

I've always been a bit weird about loads of separate teams in Avengers. Right now reading Heroic Age in UK. Love BMB, but he can't seem to write stories that go into happy endings :')

[Crimson King]

Re: Hulk

I think part of the reason his movies haven't risen to the popularity heights of his comics is that he hasn't been portrayed as an actual character yet. Ang Lee's Hulk tried, but no one wants an emo Hulk. TIH presented Hulk as a punching machine who said maybe three things the whole movie.

All signs point to Whedon actually doing the Hulk justice in terms of characterization. If he succeeds, and makes Hulk more like his A:EMH counterpart, I think we'll see his popularity rise.

[Vartha]

Is anybody else ticked off at the number of people going
"lol wheres spiderman? look at ironman kik thors ass ha he sucks":doh:
lol yeah, we WERE. but Spidey wasn't a "team player" for YEARS even went to FF for a JOB back when he started out. Spidey wouldn't be in the team for a LONG time in the Movie-verse not to mention under another company like Wolverine is lol

[Hawkingbird]

It's just the complete naivety. Read the comics if you want to know!!

[SpideyFan866]

This is the route I would take with the Superman films.

MOS - Brainiac & Metallo

MOS 2 - Doomsday found and unleashed by Lex Luthor

MOS 3 - Darkseid & his Parademons

I'd much rather Darkseid be the villain of a JLA film but I do like the Doomsday/Lex idea.

[Kirmit]

On the subject of Hulk's popularity, firstly I don't know anyone that rolls their eyes at the mention of Hulk and people do still love the character, there's a reason he is getting another movie verse attempt, a reason he's getting a live action tv show and an animated one and why his books sell so well, Marvel aren't stupid, they know there's still alot of love for the character. Also people can argue he is well known but not popular and whilst it has dwindled in recent years there's a reason Marvel chose him as one of their earliest characters to adapt to the big screen, they knew he's popular and 'Hulks' opening weekend proved this, unfortunately the movie wasn't what people wanted for a Hulk movie and it has damaged the characters popularity even to this day. It used to be Spider-man then Hulk, now I'd say 2nd spot has been taken up by Hulk, Wolverine and Iron Man, it could well change again after this movie though, the early indications are good but one thing is for certain, Hulk still is an incredibly popular character.

[WildcatNC]

Humanity makes me face palm all the time.

Yea, hence my addendum. I realized I vastly understated the volume of facepalming.


:woot:

[ThePowerCosmic]

I'd much rather Darkseid be the villain of a JLA film but I do like the Doomsday/Lex idea.

Darkseid should be the villain in a Man of Steel movie first. It would be like Doctor Doom being the main villain in an Avengers movie before the Fantastic Four(even though that can't happen).

But yeah... I'll go back to talking about the Avengers now. :yay:

[Vartha]

Ah, the West Coast Avengers. Excuse me while I have a bit of a nostalgia trip. :up: lol That really wasn't that bad of a series.
Great lakes, well I grew up in Chicago...that was just FUN. lol

[ironmaidenrules]

Darkseid should be the villain in a Man of Steel movie first. It would be like Doctor Doom being the main villain in an Avengers movie before the Fantastic Four(even though that can't happen).

But yeah... I'll go back to talking about the Avengers now. :yay:
Or like having Loki be the villain in avengers without first appearing in Thor.
Better analogy
And avengers relevant.

[Wolvieboy17]

Wow, is the Avengers really so unexciting that we need to be talking Superman movie ideas in here?

[HighFivingMF]

Wow, is the Avengers really so unexciting that we need to be talking Superman movie ideas in here?

Well, heat vision is really cool. :o

[Captain Marvel]

Not being a comic reader, how in the BeeJesus would one pronounce that?

Watch Superman: TAS. They did it all the time.

[xeno000]

Iron Man seems to be the one whom the general audience are quite happy to admit that they find him cool to like, even if they are non comic fans. He simply seems to be someone who resonates with people - not just RDJ but the whole concept.

Hulk, on the other hand, although well known, seems to be the character that most of the general public go :whatever: at, particularly as he's perceived as this mindless raging monster. He seems to epitomise the comic book movie that only appeals to a very specific audience. He simply doesn't have the same broad appeal as Iron Man.


In my view, the Hulk does not resonate with the mass audience for a very simple reason. Unlike the other characters, Hulk has been portrayed as less of a true hero than a menace who accidentally does heroic things on occasion. He is usually shown to be a rampaging beast driven by instinctual urges, rather than one who sets out to do good or protect the innocent. In fact, his uncontrolled violence continually puts innocent lives at risk. The one consistent exception to this is Betty Ross, whom he has protected. When Banner hulks out he is a danger to everyone who is unfortunate enough to get in his way. It's kind of hard to root for a character whose typical behavior involves causing mass destruction and putting innocent lives at risk, however sympathetic his plight may be.


At the very end of TIH, Hulk became an accidental hero because Banner reasoned, correctly, that his alter ego would attack Blonsky on instinct. He wasn't fighting for something, he was fighting for the sake of it -- until Betty was endangered. Hulk's typical behavior is hard to relate to or justify, even if we all get to that place at times.


The way to change perceptions and redeem Hulk is to show him saving lives and being part of the team by conscious choice rather than by happenstance. Whedon seems to have done this in The Avengers, at least insofar as saving Tony is concerned. If he behaves heroically consistently throughout the movie, it will be easier to see him as an Avenger, a true hero, instead of as a menace who occasionally helps others.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, heat vision is really cool


Isn't he, like, the best character? Because he has a million powers? That's what I read.

[Bruce_Begins]

How does Thor's cape compare to new Superman's Cape ?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/MOS-31.jpg

[HighFivingMF]

:lmao:

[WildcatNC]

Anyone else psyched about the potential 150 min run time that was put out there? Its not official or anything but I hope to hell that is accurate.

Thats exactly the frame that I hoped for but didn't really think we would get.

[Wolvieboy17]

So....

Does anyone else keep watching that trailer a few times every day?

[captainrogers]

Isn't he, like, the best character? Because he has a million powers? That's what I read.
Yup.
I'm always confronted by people who are confounded by my absolute love of characters like Cap, Bats, Daredevil etc.
"he doesn't have any real powers! Hulk/Superman/Insert GodlikeForceOfNatureHere could wipe him out!"
Not to say I don't love Supes and like power set of characters, but the narrow/simplemindedness gives me a chuckle sometimes.

[WildcatNC]

So....

Does anyone else keep watching that trailer a few times every day?

Just a few? :oldrazz:

[Bruce_Begins]

How does Thor's cape compare to new Superman's Cape ?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/midnite4/MOS-31.jpg

I mean, Superman's new cape is touching the ground and Thor's cape in Avengers is also that much long but in the Thor movie it wasn't.

http://bestmoviesevernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/The-Avengers-Set-Image-6.jpg

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/thor_concept_art_chris_hemsworth_02.jpg

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah....

Apart from the odd Grant Morrison issue, I've never read a Superman comic that really sold the character to me in a way that I like. I mean, you give one character all those powers and abilities, there needs to be a trade off to make them fundamentally interesting but there isn't really one there.

I would have always loved them to play up the Doctor Who type thing he has going on... Last of his kind, lonely and sad but tirelessly and relentlessly helping people, at all times, to fill the hole inside him. Not in a broody emo way but more like an obsessive 'I have to do this and save EVERYONE' kind of way.

Anyway, not the thread for this I guess... Unless... I use a brilliant SEGUE... like....

THIS.

Speaking of Supermen... That Joss Whedon guy sure is Super... and a Man.... When Avengers takes off, what do we think will happen to Whedon's career? If it's a huge success, can anyone see him becoming a huge film director or perhaps he'll sort of stay with the smaller, interesting kind of projects he seems to like..

[Infinity9999x]

*Edit* Definitely thought I was looking at the first page of a restarted thread....and made a comment on a post 16 pages ago. Yep. I'm smart.

[WildcatNC]

Yeah....

Apart from the odd Grant Morrison issue, I've never read a Superman comic that really sold the character to me in a way that I like. I mean, you give one character all those powers and abilities, there needs to be a trade off to make them fundamentally interesting but there isn't really one there.

I would have always loved them to play up the Doctor Who type thing he has going on... Last of his kind, lonely and sad but tirelessly and relentlessly helping people, at all times, to fill the hole inside him. Not in a broody emo way but more like an obsessive 'I have to do this and save EVERYONE' kind of way.

Anyway, not the thread for this I guess... Unless... I use a brilliant SEGUE... like....

THIS.

Speaking of Supermen... That Joss Whedon guy sure is Super... and a Man.... When Avengers takes off, what do we think will happen to Whedon's career? If it's a huge success, can anyone see him becoming a huge film director or perhaps he'll sort of stay with the smaller, interesting kind of projects he seems to like..


I see a path like that of Raimi most likely. It will open doors for him for sure. I kind of think he will be picky about his work though, as he should.

[Wolvieboy17]

Okay, I need somebodies opinion...

I kinda like this gif as a new Avvy

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0bdxjWR6s1rqhm58o2_250.gif

But i've gotten so used to my awesome Thor one, I'm not sure whether to change over...

What do you reckon? I DON'T LIKE CHANGE :P

[DyeLorean]

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/thor_concept_art_chris_hemsworth_02.jpg

http://www.starsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/will-ferrell.jpg

[captainrogers]

Okay, I need somebodies opinion...

I kinda like this gif as a new Avvy

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0bdxjWR6s1rqhm58o2_250.gif

But i've gotten so used to my awesome Thor one, I'm not sure whether to change over...

What do you reckon? I DON'T LIKE CHANGE :P

Do it.
Disclaimer: captainrogers has an obvious bias.

[Wolvieboy17]

Also love this image:P

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0b3euBGKg1qkyyr6o1_500.jpg

[Wolvieboy17]

Meh, gif file too large. I'm too much of a technical retard to figure out how to change it.

Thor it is!

[Kane52630]

Okay, I need somebodies opinion...

I kinda like this gif as a new Avvy

http://i.imgur.com/gCrME.gif

But i've gotten so used to my awesome Thor one, I'm not sure whether to change over...

What do you reckon? I DON'T LIKE CHANGE :P

Here, I did it anyways. :o

http://i.imgur.com/BedJN.gif

[captainrogers]

Also love this image:P

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0b3euBGKg1qkyyr6o1_500.jpg
...that image just dislodged a notion outta my brainmeats....
What if the silver/white striping on his shoulders double as 'magnets' for securing the shield onto his back?
Probably not, tho, as all shots So far have showed Steve holding the "ol' girl".

[Wolvieboy17]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0awv2zml91qc01jno6_r5_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0awv2zml91qc01jno7_r5_500.gif

[captainrogers]

Here, I did it anyways. :o

http://i.imgur.com/BedJN.gif
Heh, I might use it if I were allowed the 100x100 Avy.

[Wolvieboy17]

Awwww, thanks Kane. You're a legend. Pretty sure you helped me out with the Thor one too :P

[ComicForAWife]

http://www.starsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/will-ferrell.jpg

Haha, I knew I had seen that Thor face somewhere

[Wolvieboy17]

Just read a cool theory online, where someone posed the idea of 'what if Peggy, distraught with Steve's 'death', ends up with Howard Stark?'. That'd be an interesting way to create some friction between Tony and Steve :P

[Captain Marvel]

Nah, the name of Tony's mother is Maria. Did Howard say her name in those bits in Iron Man 2? I don't remember.

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, this video could use some better sound quality but I still thought it was pretty cool.

EgW6YU29fJ0

[Bruce_Begins]

This is an iconic image -

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_merch.jpg

[Adamantium Man]

So, yeah, watching the trailer again and tearing up again. Tell me that's not pathetic, please. XD

[Kane52630]

Awwww, thanks Kane. You're a legend. Pretty sure you helped me out with the Thor one too :P
Probably. lol


Heh, I might use it if I were allowed the 100x100 Avy.

Since Wolvieboy already took that avvy, I made 3 that you can choose.

http://i.imgur.com/7dTc7.gif

http://i.imgur.com/LqPyK.gif

http://i.imgur.com/xcnj3.gif

[First Avenger]

You know,I'm really liking ruffalo both as banner and hulk.

[captainrogers]

Nah, the name of Tony's mother is Maria. Did Howard say her name in those bits in Iron Man 2? I don't remember.
She wouldn't necessarily Have to be Tony's mom, just the relationship prior...but I really don't think that necessary for the antagonism Tony and Steve display.
It would just be enough for Steve to compare and contrast Tony to the Elder Stark.

[Wolvieboy17]

Last thing I'm posting, then I'm going to bed.

It's a recut and much better version of that This is War Avengers video

Night all

iMHWsdKULJk

[Praxis222]

When Avengers takes off, what do we think will happen to Whedon's career? If it's a huge success, can anyone see him becoming a huge film director or perhaps he'll sort of stay with the smaller, interesting kind of projects he seems to like..

I've been thinking about this too. I would love to see him achieve some mainstream success, if for nothing else to make it easier for him to get more of his own projects off the bench. Also, having a massive box office intake attached to his name could possibly bring an eventual Buffy/Angel blu-ray release (a la, Star Trek TOS/TNG) closer to reality....on can dream lol.

As far as what his career would end up like, I don't actually think it would matter much. I think regardless of what happens he'll keep doing exactly the kind of stuff he's been doing this whole time. He won't work on a project unless it connects with him personally and gives him something to say (which is, funny enough, exactly how Nolan works :D lol). At it's core, working on a project like Avengers is really no different for him than Doctor Horrible.

Did anyone see that article up at IGN?
Asking "now that the Avengers is on it's way...do we really NEED a movie like this?" Basically stating that it's too much for all the "fanboys" out there which doesn't necessarily make for a good movie. It's kind of frustrating seeing that kind of reaction.

One of the best things I've read from Whedon regarding how he writes towards his (or THE) fanbase was "I never give people what they want, ONLY what they NEED".

That's why I've always thought this was in good hands, Story/Character first and not a bunch of fan wanking (which is what happened with Spider-Man 3 and X-Men 3).

[Captain Marvel]

This is an iconic image -

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_merch.jpg

It is. Shame that Thor doesn't wear his helmet.

[Pink Ranger]

She wouldn't necessarily Have to be Tony's mom, just the relationship prior...but I really don't think that necessary for the antagonism Tony and Steve display.
It would just be enough for Steve to compare and contrast Tony to the Elder Stark.

Howard Stark was a pimp.

[VictorShade]

Also, this video could use some better sound quality but I still thought it was pretty cool.

EgW6YU29fJ0


Stop this video at 1:52, you can see some kinda blue things coming from each of the Black Widow's hands. Doesn't follow a logical looking, straight blast trajectory, looks more like an end over end sort a thing. Also, I always envisioned the widows sting to be yellow, but it looks as if she'll be using em! Cool enough!

[First Avenger]

Joss could have done great things with x3 too

[captainrogers]

Probably. lol




Since Wolvieboy already took that avvy, I made 3 that you can choose.

http://i.imgur.com/7dTc7.gif

http://i.imgur.com/LqPyK.gif

http://i.imgur.com/xcnj3.gif

Thanks SO much!
That first one is just, I dunno...ME!
So: YOINK!
Again, much appreciated.

[captainrogers]

Howard Stark was a pimp.
No doubt. He strikes me of the JFK type pimp.
Respectively kept his conquests outta the public eye.
Tony is just, "You, You, Aaaaaand YOU! let's go up to the penthouse. Oh hold on, come in close for the picture. No gang signs!"

[Hoblin]

Is anybody else ticked off at the number of people going
"lol wheres spiderman? look at ironman kik thors ass ha he sucks":doh:

I've had quite a few people ask me if Green Lantern is gonna be in it. And why not.

[craigdbfan]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0awv2zml91qc01jno6_r5_500.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0awv2zml91qc01jno7_r5_500.gif

Very awesome. :wow::up:

[Wolvieboy17]

@Craig,

I know :P As much as well all enjoy comparing the various hulks, they still look ****ing bad ass next to each other.

[CaptainStacy]

This is an iconic image -

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_merch.jpg

Awesome! Where is that from?

[Captain Marvel]

Is anybody else ticked off at the number of people going
"lol wheres spiderman? look at ironman kik thors ass ha he sucks":doh:

No, but why would I be ticked? You expect the average person to have any clue about how Marvel Comics licensed out its characters, and that they made their own studio while Spider-Man, which has the Marvel logo on it every time one of his movies starts, which is identical to the logo which appears at the start of Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America, is instead being made by Sony?

It's not an unreasonable thing to ask, especially since Spider-Man IS currently an Avenger in the comics.

[wobbly]

She wouldn't necessarily Have to be Tony's mom, just the relationship prior...but I really don't think that necessary for the antagonism Tony and Steve display.
It would just be enough for Steve to compare and contrast Tony to the Elder Stark.

I think that's where the conflict will rise: Steve knew Howard was a playboy, but he was also a team player, ready and willing to work with others for a greater cause.
Tony's ego is too big (atm) to fully allow for that, and Cap will be calling him out on it.

[Dark Raven]

It would be funny if Peggy did turn out to be Tony's mother. Or if not that, if Steve had a fling with a girl named Maria and he turned out to be Tony's father. :funny:

[craigdbfan]

@Craig,

I know :P As much as well all enjoy comparing the various hulks, they still look ****ing bad ass next to each other.

Definitely. It flows quite well actually. One would think it'd create a juxtaposed feel to it but on the contrary it actually feels and looks very natural. :up:

[RaZaTrOn]

One of the many things I think Marvel need to be credited on is how well they've created this MCU, I think i recall Favreau (or maybe it was just the fanbase) being unsure about how this realistic Iron Man he created would meld with the fantasy world of Thor.

I have to say watching the Avengers trailer (well Avengers Assemble for me) that when Iron Man flies around the building bringing the party to the rest of the team i wasn't taken aback by this realistic character being followed by a fantastical creature. So bravo Marvel Studios, you've created a damn near perfect comic book movie universe.

[captainrogers]

It would be funny if Peggy did turn out to be Tony's mother. Or if not that, if Steve had a fling with a girl named Maria and he turned out to be Tony's father. :funny:
Too much relation to be going in the Peggy is Tony's mom scenario.
Sharon Carter would then be a form of cousin to Tony as well.

[craigdbfan]

Too much relation to be going in the Peggy is Tony's mom scenario.
Sharon Carter would then be a form of cousin to Tony as well.Agreed.

It would complicate matters unnecessarily and kind of take out the very bittersweet romantic ending CA:FA had. I'd prefer if they don't do something like that.

[Dark Raven]

Too much relation to be going in the Peggy is Tony's mom scenario.
Sharon Carter would then be a form of cousin to Tony as well.

Hey, Sharon as his cousin would work too. That means that everywhere Cap looks he's continually thwarted by the Stark presence.

[cherokeesam]

Too much relation to be going in the Peggy is Tony's mom scenario.
Sharon Carter would then be a form of cousin to Tony as well.


That's perfectly normal where I come from.

[WildcatNC]

Last thing I'm posting, then I'm going to bed.

It's a recut and much better version of that This is War Avengers video

Night all

iMHWsdKULJk


I want this person to redo this with the new trailer footage included. This was probably the best FMT i've seen.

[Captain Marvel]

That's perfectly normal where I come from.

That's perfectly normal everywhere. What's unusual about it? Peggy Carter had a brother and he's the father of Sharon Carter. If Peggy is the mother of Tony (She's not, but just for arguments sake), then Tony would be Sharon's cousin. So what's unusual about that scenario? It's not as if Tony is sleeping with Sharon.

[Dark Raven]

That's perfectly normal everywhere. What's unusual about it? Peggy Carter had a brother and he's the father of Sharon Carter. If Peggy is the mother of Tony (She's not, but just for arguments sake), then Tony would be Sharon's cousin. So what's unusual about that scenario? It's not as if Tony is sleeping with Sharon.

I think that's what he was hinting at: perfectly normal for cousins to be getting it on where he comes from. :dry:

[WildcatNC]

I think that's what he was hinting at: perfectly normal for cousins to be getting it on where he comes from. :dry:

2nd cousin or more is fair game. :o

[Whiskey Tango]

I think that's what he was hinting at: perfectly normal for cousins to be getting it on where he comes from. :dry:

Why would that be abnormal?

:awkward:

[SpideyFan866]

This is an iconic image -

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_merch.jpg


Whose helmet is that on the other side of Cap's?

[Dark Raven]

Why would that be abnormal?

:awkward:

That's one step away from pairing up with your sister. It's still one of your relations. Why would that be normal? :dry:

[Whiskey Tango]

That's one step away from pairing up with your sister. It's still one of your relations. Why would that be normal? :dry:

Allow me to introduce you to my good friend Mr. Joke

[Captain Marvel]

Whose helmet is that on the other side of Cap's?

Nobody's. Don't worry about it, because you're never going to see it.

[SpideyFan866]

Nobody's. Don't worry about it, because you're never going to see it.

Ok. I mean seriously, WTF is that and why would they put that there?!? They should have put Thor's hammer there, why the in the blue hell would they pit whatever that is there?

[WildcatNC]

Nobody's. Don't worry about it, because you're never going to see it.

Yea, no one knows because we've never seen it worn.

[Whiskey Tango]

Ok. I mean seriously, WTF is that and why would they put that there?!? They should have put Thor's hammer there, why the in the blue hell would they pit whatever that is there?

because it's Thor's helmet, he wears it for like two minutes in the movie.

and it speaks in Chris Evans voice :o

[Dark Raven]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_merch.jpg

There should've been other items from the other Avengers: Hawkeye's bow and arrow, Black Widow's underwear...

[itchyscratch]

There should've been other items from the other Avengers: Hawkeye's bow and arrow, Black Widow's underwear...

.... Thor's chain mail jockstrap ......

[WildcatNC]

because it's Thor's helmet, he wears it for like two minutes in the movie.

and it speaks in Chris Evans voice :o

Chris Evans actually typed my last post.

[Guerrilla]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_merch.jpg

There should've been other items from the other Avengers: Hawkeye's bow and arrow, Black Widow's underwear...
Hulk's police car boxing gloves :)

[The Caped Knight]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/avengers_merch.jpg



It's The Big Three :applaud:cap::applaud

[CaptainStacy]

Anyone else psyched about the potential 150 min run time that was put out there? Its not official or anything but I hope to hell that is accurate.

Thats exactly the frame that I hoped for but didn't really think we would get.

Yeah, i am.

I think that run time is PERFECT! :im: :thor: :cap: :bh: :word:

[SpideyFan866]

because it's Thor's helmet, he wears it for like two minutes in the movie.

and it speaks in Chris Evans voice :o

Thor has a helmet? THOR HAS A HELMET? EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[captainrogers]

Wierd. delayed Double post.
Disregard.

[Captain Marvel]

Thor has a helmet? THOR HAS A HELMET? EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, and it's sitting in his closet in Asgard under a pair of smelly socks, a stack of Valkyrie-on-Amazon porn DVD's, and a jock strap. I'm sure he'll put it on again eventually.

[Alexei Belyakov]

150 minutes would be a dream come true.

*On a separate note, anyone catch that pic of Wasp & Banner I posted before it got removed?

[protocida]

Darkseid should be the villain in a Man of Steel movie first. It would be like Doctor Doom being the main villain in an Avengers movie before the Fantastic Four(even though that can't happen).
Darkseid grew into a JLA villain, especially after the reboot. He's the ultimate evil in the Universe. Having him being defeated by Superman alone and then confront the Justice League would decrease his badassery.

Not to mention his Generals (Granny Goodness, Doctor Bedlam, Steppenwolf, Kanto, Kalibak...) Those guys are a pretty great Anti-JLA.

[Captain Marvel]

Yeah, if the choice is between Darkseid as a Superman villain or a JLA villain, then he should be a JLA villain. Whatever the case, if he were to ever be used in a Superman movie, it should be in the very last movie of any Superman franchise. He's the villain you end a successful Superman franchise with. Not the one you start one with.

[SpideyFan866]

150 minutes would be a dream come true.

*On a separate note, anyone catch that pic of Wasp & Banner I posted before it got removed?

No. Why did it get removed? Was it a HUGE spoiler from the movie or something or was it inappropriate.

[Alexei Belyakov]

No. Why did it get removed? Was it a HUGE spoiler from the movie or something or was it inappropriate.

I'd say neither. But the mods probably thought differently.

[jonathancrane]

No. Why did it get removed? Was it a HUGE spoiler from the movie or something or was it inappropriate.

If it is the photograph I am thinking of, and is a spoiler, I will eat my sweater. Especially since Giant Man and Wasp have been confirmed to not be in the film.

[Incredible Hans]

I just realized that in the comic books, Fin Fang Foom is a member of the alien race called the Makluans.

So here is a new theory: ;)

The alien invaders in the movie are the Makluans, that is the "Leviathans". The humanoid blue/grey aliens are just a nameless subjugated race that serve the Makluans and were made up for the film.

So the real enemies are the gigantic serpents/dragons that made a pact with Loki.

The Makluans also make it possible for the Mandarin to appear in IM3 - his ten rings are of Makluan origin! And all that talk about the Mandarin being "a racist caricature" is just a diversionary tactic. As was calling the Makluans "Leviathans" in the script... so that the true identity of the aliens remains a secret.

Thoughts?

[protocida]

^ I don't see it.

It's just aliens with advanced technology that includes giant mechanical serpents.

[SpideyFan866]

I'd say neither. But the mods probably thought differently.

I wish I had seen it now. I'd say pm it to me but the mods might bring down their wrath.

[Incredible Hans]

^ I don't see it.

It's just aliens with advanced technology that includes giant mechanical serpents.

Well, Whedon confirmed that he aliens in the movie are based on something from the comics books, right? So they cannot be "just aliens"...

[protocida]

^ That doesn't really mean much. It's a C-list alien race like the Alpha Centaurians or the Sons of Muspell or the Knights of Wundagore. It won't mean anything aside from "Hey, guys, they were in the comics!". Their basic function is blow stuff up and fight the Avengers.

[Incredible Hans]

^ That doesn't really mean much. It's a C-list alien race like

... the Makluans?

I mean, aren't the Makluans a fine example for a C-list alien race (along with nameless humanoid auxiliaries)?

[Alexei Belyakov]

I wish I had seen it now. Oh, trust me, you do :cwink:

[SpideyFan866]

Oh, trust me, you do :cwink:

WTH was it?

[protocida]

^ It's not the Makluans.

As for the picture... Is it boobs?

[darthmagic]

I think the Alien Race is being over analysed. So far we have evidence of the Knights of Wundagore, Fing Fang Foom, Dark Elves, and the Annihilus. I believe Marvel are putting together an Alien Horde of characters that comic fans will recognize. Characters that have a long standing history in comics but would never have the chance of being in their own move. So while we may know that the creature is Fing Fang Foom it won't really be called that or even discussed. I see it as a tribute to fans while giving all these baddies a chance to shine.

[protocida]

Isn't it pretty much confirmed it's just one race, though?

[Incredible Hans]

Maybe... and maybe my whole Makluan theory is as wrong as it could be.

But on the other hand... the Lego alien gliders show a symbol that could be interpreted as the stylized head of a big creature.

So perhaps the big serpents aren't the aliens' vessels, but their masters.

[darthmagic]

Isn't it pretty much confirmed it's just one race, though?

I haven't really seen that but wouldn't mind getting that info. I remember hiddleston saying that Loki had recruited the gangsters of the nine realms.

[SpideyFan866]

I think the theory that the who and what the aliens are as well as where they are from won't be adressed in the film. They will Loki's army but there identity will likely remain a mystery until the end of the film or the after-credits scene.

[JB-the-Hunter]

^ That doesn't really mean much. It's a C-list alien race like the Alpha Centaurians or the Sons of Muspell or the Knights of Wundagore. It won't mean anything aside from "Hey, guys, they were in the comics!". Their basic function is blow stuff up and fight the Avengers.

The guy on Twitter who saw one of the pre-screenings seemed to be relieved about the identity of the aliens though, as if he knew them from the comics. He said something along the lines of "And the identity of the aliens! Wow!"

[protocida]

I think they won't address it at all.

Speaking of theories, I do have one: I believe Thor returns to Earth using the Mjolnir's teleportation powers, but this requires massive amounts of energy, which prevents anyone else from coming with him, and leaves him severely weakned throughout the movie (The reason why he's sleeveless is several scenes, and Iron Man and Captain America can hold his own against him). He only really "powers up" in the ending (When he has sleeves again).

Also, it appears Loki opens the portal that brings the Horde to Earth atop the Chrysler Building, which is next to Stark Tower. I believe Loki appears before Stark at the Stark Tower to taunt him, because Iron Man had captured him earlier, reveals that he has an army, throws Stark out of the window or something, and then heads to the Chrysler Building to open the portal.

The final fight between Thor and Loki also might happen there (There's a scene of lightning hitting the building), with Thor closing the portal and defeating Loki. After Loki is subdued, Thor takes him back to Asgard by opening a portal using the Cosmic Cube, contained within that device we've seem him holding on set pictures.

[Whiskey Tango]

Speaking of theories, I do have one: I believe Thor returns to Earth using the Mjolnir's teleportation powers, but this requires massive amounts of energy, which prevents anyone else from coming with him, and leaves him severely weakned throughout the movie (The reason why he's sleeveless is several scenes, and Iron Man and Captain America can hold his own against him). He only really "powers up" in the ending (When he has sleeves again).

I floated much the same idea a few days ago (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22608185&postcount=119). :up:

[darthmagic]

I think they won't address it at all.

Speaking of theories, I do have one: I believe Thor returns to Earth using the Mjolnir's teleportation powers, but this requires massive amounts of energy, which prevents anyone else from coming with him, and leaves him severely weakned throughout the movie (The reason why he's sleeveless is several scenes, and Iron Man and Captain America can hold his own against him). He only really "powers up" in the ending (When he has sleeves again).

Also, it appears Loki opens the portal that brings the Horde to Earth atop the Chrysler Building, which is next to Stark Tower. I believe Loki appears before Stark at the Stark Tower to taunt him, because Iron Man had captured him earlier, reveals that he has an army, throws Stark out of the window or something, and then heads to the Chrysler Building to open the portal.

The final fight between Thor and Loki also might happen there (There's a scene of lightning hitting the building), with Thor closing the portal and defeating Loki. After Loki is subdued, Thor takes him back to Asgard by opening a portal using the Cosmic Cube, contained within that device we've seem him holding on set pictures.

So basically Thor 2. Got it. And why is it such a problem that Iron Man got two hits on Thor? If a frost giant can head butt and punch Thor sending him hurling back then why not Iron Man? That's not holding his own against Thor. Should Thor simply wipe the floor with both of them?

[itchyscratch]

It seems pointless to have an Avengers movie with Thor in it if he is without his powers for most of it. If he is weakened I hope it's only for the initial scene or two when he first arrives.

[JB-the-Hunter]

So basically Thor 2. Got it
But Tony Stark has been confirmed to have the most screen time because of RDJ's contract, and the film will be told from Cap's point of view so that evens everything out.

[Alexei Belyakov]

But Tony Stark has been confirmed to have the most screen time because of RDJ's contract

That's horrible.

The film will be told from Cap's point of view so that evens everything out.

That's debatable.

[Dark Raven]

Don't worry guys. Thor's helmet will have more screen time this time round than Thor himself. :)

[Alexei Belyakov]

All I want is a movie that doesn't feel like IRON MAN 2.5.

I want the other Avengers to have actual story arcs. I don't want the presence of them to be reduced to plot devices.

Examples of things they should do to prevent the above from happening:

-A scene with Steve walking through his old neighborhood, shocked at how much its changed (Puerto Rico).

-A scene with Thor visiting Jane, even if all we see is her door being opened by an unseen Portman.

-A scene with Banner looking at a photo of Betty as was done in TIH & picking up the phone to call her only to hang up once she picks up.

I really don't care if Tony has any character development in the film because he really doesn't need any.

Hulk, Cap & Thor need a continuation of their respective storylines.

[Whiskey Tango]

But Tony Stark has been confirmed to have the most screen time

Please stop spreading inaccuracies and feeding the trolls like the one immediately below you. The only thing confirmed was that RDJ was on set less than any of the other leads. They've stated multiple times that screentime is more or less equal between them.

[Guerrilla]

Im watching the trailer in super slow mo. The shot of hawkeye about to fire the grappling hook arrow. To the right side of his bow, just above it...i paused it. It looks like a chunk or section of one of the leviathans on the street...right in front of the building...there are explosions happening underneath this chunk. Anybody notice this? If you pause it exactly right before they cut to the next scene, you can see what im talking about...you can even see the vertabrae a bit and a "fin" or wing or whatever.

[darthmagic]

All I want is a movie that doesn't feel like IRON MAN 2.5.
I don't want it to be Thor 2 either


Examples of things they should do to prevent the above from happening:

-A scene with Steve walking through his old neighborhood, shocked at how much its changed (Puerto Rico).

-A scene with Thor visiting Jane, even if all we see is her door being opened by an unseen Portman.

-A scene with Banner looking at a photo of Betty as was done in TIH & picking up the phone to call her only to hang up once she picks up.

Not sure i want to see the love interests in this movie aside from maybe Cap.

I really don't care if Tony has any character development in the film because he really doesn't need any.


Um? Why not?

[JB-the-Hunter]

Please stop spreading inaccuracies and feeding the trolls like the one immediately below you. The only thing confirmed was that RDJ was on set less than any of the other leads. They've stated multiple times that screentime is more or less equal between them.
That's what RIM said though, why not tell him to stop spreading inaccuracies? And one person having more screen time than the other doesn't mean it's not equal, they can't all have the exact same amount of screen time after all.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Please stop spreading inaccuracies and feeding the trolls like the one immediately below you.

You are such a sad human being.

But you know what? I don't hate you. I only pity you. I know you're young & probably frustrated over some teenage dilemma, so you need to use message boards to vent your frustrations on total strangers. I get that.

But I got news for you, fella - if you ever behave this way in REAL life, things might not turn out as low-key as they do here.

You need to at some point, clearly not now nor here, learn the meaning of respect. For your neighbors, for your elders (yours truly) and for yourself.

Continue living your unhappy life, broski, I'm taking the wife to see BULLHEAD tonight :yay:

[Scarecrow_King]

You are such a sad human being.

But you know what? I don't hate you. I only pity you. I know you're young & probably frustrated over some teenage dilemma, so you need to use message boards to vent your frustrations on total strangers. I get that.

But I got news for you, fella - if you ever behave this way in REAL life, things might not turn out as low-key as they do here.

You need to at some point, clearly not now nor here, learn the meaning of respect. For your neighbors, for your elders (yours truly) and for yourself.

Continue living your unhappy life, broski, I'm taking the wife to see BULLHEAD tonight :yay:

he said please. :o

I only pop in here to read some news every now and then. I've seen people complaining about an AB, but I didn't know why or who it was. Now I do, so thanks for clearing that up for me. :up:

[Whiskey Tango]

That's what RIM said though, why not tell him to stop spreading inaccuracies? And one person having more screen time than the other doesn't mean it's not equal, they can't all have the exact same amount of screen time after all.

Where did he say that?

[Scarecrow_King]

I highly doubt anybody's contract says "I will have x amount more screen time than y." That's just ridiculous.

[Alexei Belyakov]

I don't want it to be Thor 2 either

I doubt it will be, and I get the feeling Thor is getting the least amount of stardom in this one (:csad:)

Not sure i want to see the love interests in this movie aside from maybe Cap.

Even if you don't actually see Jane or Betty, having them mentioned or implied adds a great deal of weight to each of the characters' journeys. Specially Steve, Bruce & Thor.

Um? Why not?

Tony's story's been told (2 films).

He's not dying anymore, he's dating Virginia, he's basically "good".

[Whiskey Tango]

he said please. :o

I only pop in here to read some news every now and then. I've seen people complaining about an AB, but I didn't know why or who it was. Now I do, so thanks for clearing that up for me. :up:

Awwww, was AB talking about me? I told him I was breaking it off but he just can't. let. go. I fear the poor lad has issues with rejection.

[Scarecrow_King]

Awwww, was AB talking about me? I told him I was breaking it off but he just can't. let. go. I fear the poor lad has issues with rejection.

He doesn't hate you. He just pities you. :whatever:

[T"Challa]

Sorry to derail the thread but i really need to know wtf is going on here

http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/inexplicable.jpg

[herolee10]

1. It's been said by those involved with the film that it would be presented as true ensemble film.

2. IF one character had ended up getting all of the screen time like Wolverine does in a X-Men film, I'm sure that it would have been complained about from those who had seen the rough cuts.

3. The only love interest that we'll see in this film is most likely Pepper since they said that there was reports that she was spotted on set.

4. Everyone will have their own shining moment in the film.

[Whiskey Tango]

He doesn't hate you. He just pities you. :whatever:

:hrt: