The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 47

[CaptainStacy]

Magneto's been in four X-Men movies and is likely to be in the sequel to First Class. That should be some sort of record.

Coughcough<ANAKINSKYWALKERcough> :jedi :word:

[The Morningstar]

Anakin wasn't really a villain though. He was just a whiney, idiotic douche bag who failed to realise Palpatine was the Sith Lord despite numerous clear indications he was.

God his entire arc is so poorly written. It's best to ignore the prequels otherwise it tarnishes one of the greatest ever cinematic villains origins.

[Wolvieboy17]

I didn't justify Thor chaining him to a rock for enternity, I was justifying Odin chaining Loki to a rock for enternity.

Besides what's so "immoral" about punishing someone who destroyed thousands of sentient beings, those actually killed Loki in the comics before btw.

Somone said that punishment for him was a 'bit brutal'. You said it was no more brutal than what Loki had done.'

My point was just that this kind of thinking goes against what a Hero like Thor should be about and Odin too. It's the exact opposite message that Odin was trying to impress upon Thor about why unnecessary bloodshed against the Frost Giants isn't needed.

[Wolvieboy17]

That's the difference between Marvel and DC heroes, Marvel heroes will kill where as it takes an act of God for most DC heroes to kill

They won't kill unless they really have to though. If they have an enemy defeated, only certain heroes like Wolverine or Punisher would then happily kill them.

[xeno000]

I may be completely wrong... but could Fury be at the penthouse with Loki & Stark?


The people who saw the D23 footage said that Fury confronted Loki when the latter was in SHIELD's Hulk cage and that's where they said those lines.

[SpideyFan866]

Anakin wasn't really a villain though. He was just a whiney, idiotic douche bag who failed to realise Palpatine was the Sith Lord despite numerous clear indications he was.

God his entire arc is so poorly written. It's best to ignore the prequels otherwise it tarnishes one of the greatest ever cinematic villains origins.

I don't see it that way. I think that he was so blinded by his desire to save Padme that he blinded himself to the truth.

[Shadowlord X]

Completely off topic but got to say it anyway.

Wolvieboy17 your avy is really inspiring.

CAPTAIN AMERICA looks soooo good in that scene! Really loving that outfit.

[catgirl18]

Completely off topic but got to say it anyway.

Wolvieboy17 your avy is really inspiring.

CAPTAIN AMERICA looks soooo good in that scene! Really loving that outfit.
yes that's right:yay:

[Smashlilman]

He should not kill his own brother if he loves him.

What would Eddard Stark do?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DXnhpbdbii4/TybP-pN740I/AAAAAAAAH_o/nN8RPwWRsnQ/s410/Lord-Eddard-Stark.jpg

[BigThor]

Somone said that punishment for him was a 'bit brutal'. You said it was no more brutal than what Loki had done.'

My point was just that this kind of thinking goes against what a Hero like Thor should be about and Odin too. It's the exact opposite message that Odin was trying to impress upon Thor about why unnecessary bloodshed against the Frost Giants isn't needed.

You do realize your entire argument is against things that have actually happened several times in the comics right?

Punishing Loki wouldn't be "unnecessary" bloodshed since Loki has actually killed thousands of living beings, besides I'm not saying Loki should be killed only punished.

[SpideyFan866]

You do realize your entire argument is against things that have actually happened several times in the comics right?

Punishing Loki wouldn't be "unnecessary" bloodshed since Loki has actually killed thousands of living beings, besides I'm not saying Loki should be killed only punished.

I think the best punishment for Loki in the MCU is to banish him to the one place he hates more than Earth. His birthplace, Jotunheim.

[BigThor]

I think the best punishment for Loki in the MCU is to banish him to the one place he hates more than Earth. His birthplace, Jotunheim.

To be honest, I'd be satisfied with any punishment they give him as long as it fits the severity of his crimes and isn't a slap on the wrist.

They won't kill unless they really have to though. If they have an enemy defeated, only certain heroes like Wolverine or Punisher would then happily kill them.

Yeah I know I wasn't saying they kill at the drop of a dime, I was just saying they do kill if and when it's deemed necessary.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Coughcough<ANAKINSKYWALKERcough> :jedi :word:

Strictly CBM villains. :cwink:

[catgirl18]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168326-tom-hiddleston-talks-thor-2
"Hiddleston ,"...Obviously I haven’t let go of the spiritual damage at the heart of him. It still comes from that lost place, but he’s just incredibly nasty. I think that probably in 'Thor 2'... he’ll have to take responsibility for what he’s done... There are still, even within 'The Avengers,' there are moments where you see within Loki a glimmer of hope and that possibility of redemption."

the Room Without Doors I think this is his punishment,

[ThePowerCosmic]

I may be completely wrong... but could Fury be at the penthouse with Loki & Stark?

It's a possibility, but Fury seems to be talking to Loki while he's trapped in that containment room.

[BigThor]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168326-tom-hiddleston-talks-thor-2
"Hiddleston ,"...Obviously I haven’t let go of the spiritual damage at the heart of him. It still comes from that lost place, but he’s just incredibly nasty. I think that probably in 'Thor 2'... he’ll have to take responsibility for what he’s done... There are still, even within 'The Avengers,' there are moments where you see within Loki a glimmer of hope and that possibility of redemption."

the Room Without Doors I think this is his punishment,





I could definately see that as being his punishment, the Isle of Silence from A:EMH would also be a cool punishment for Odin to sentence Loki to in THOR II.

[Quasimod0]

The only way I'd let loki live is if he turned against his own army and helped saved the earth. Otherwise I'd let hulk snap his neck and avenge the deaths of thousands of people. Ya know, like an Avenger. :p

[catgirl18]

I think the best punishment for Loki in the MCU is to banish him to the one place he hates more than Earth. His birthplace, Jotunheim.
"That is sad



"That is sad because it is his home .
loki should get to know its origin Jotunheim it is his birthplace.
I do not see it as punishment.

[ThePowerCosmic]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/168326-tom-hiddleston-talks-thor-2
"Hiddleston ,"...Obviously I haven’t let go of the spiritual damage at the heart of him. It still comes from that lost place, but he’s just incredibly nasty. I think that probably in 'Thor 2'... he’ll have to take responsibility for what he’s done... There are still, even within 'The Avengers,' there are moments where you see within Loki a glimmer of hope and that possibility of redemption."

the Room Without Doors I think this is his punishment,




Hiddleston says that in Thor 2, Loki will have to take responsibility for what he's done. That makes me think that in The Avengers we'll just see him and Thor leave to Asgard, while we'll see Loki's actual punishment in Thor 2.

[Smashlilman]

At 1:17 Loki says, "How desperate are you, that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?". We then hear Fury reply with, "You've made me very desperate."
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It's edited to look like one scene but Loki's seen talking to Tony at 1:23 when he finishes the line with "...that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?". It didn't show Loki asking Tony how desperate he was so maybe it's still in the Fury scene or maybe Loki mentions desperation to both characters? It kind of seems like they edited it to make "How desperate are you, that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?" seem like one full line, when in the movie it might not be.

Loki: And you call on such lost creatures to defend you.

That line was directed at Tony Stark and the "lost creatures" refers to the Hulk. I believe that dialog take place after the "We have a hulk" dialog. It makes since Loki would only see the Hulk as a mindless beast.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Loki: And you call on such lost creatures to defend you.

That line was directed at Tony Stark and the "lost creatures" refers to the Hulk. I believe that dialog take place after the "We have a hulk" dialog. It makes since Loki would only see the Hulk as a mindless beast.

That makes sense. I could see it playing out like that. I originally thought Loki meant the Avengers as a whole when he said the "lost creatures" line.

[The Morningstar]

You know i wouldn't be surprised if Thor and Loki's final confrontation is more a war of words. With Thor trying to get through to him, to come back to the light. It wouldn't surprise me if Loki realises the error of his ways, turns on his own army (and possible benefactor) and ends up helping save the day, he's done it in the comics before, a recent example being SIEGE.

[catgirl18]

You know i wouldn't be surprised if Thor and Loki's final confrontation is more a war of words. With Thor trying to get through to him, to come back to the light. It wouldn't surprise me if Loki realises the error of his ways, turns on his own army (and possible benefactor) and ends up helping save the day, he's done it in the comics before, a recent example being SIEGE.

that would be a great end:yay:

[Smashlilman]

Somone said that punishment for him was a 'bit brutal'. You said it was no more brutal than what Loki had done.'

My point was just that this kind of thinking goes against what a Hero like Thor should be about and Odin too. It's the exact opposite message that Odin was trying to impress upon Thor about why unnecessary bloodshed against the Frost Giants isn't needed.

Nope that wasn't the message. His message was about how the reckless behavior of individual can endanger the lives of the weaker beings that he was sworn to protect. By sending him to earth he would know suffering and realize the pain and suffering that his action would bring about on others.

Protecting the innocent from having to suffer isn't the same as bring suffering upon the Guilty.

[Kirmit]

You know i wouldn't be surprised if Thor and Loki's final confrontation is more a war of words. With Thor trying to get through to him, to come back to the light. It wouldn't surprise me if Loki realises the error of his ways, turns on his own army (and possible benefactor) and ends up helping save the day, he's done it in the comics before, a recent example being SIEGE.

I don't think it'll be so much that Loki sees the error of his ways but more that he's gone too far. It seems his mission is to enslave Earth, perhaps have himself as it's ruler but I think the aliens or whatever they are will just want to destroy anything and everything, that's when he's going to have to step in and somewhat take the Avengers side.

[catgirl18]

Loki is Odins son or kidnapped son:cwink:
I think a father should not torture his own child no matter what he has done.
I am 18 and have no kids but that's what I think:yay:

[Smashlilman]

You do realize your entire argument is against things that have actually happened several times in the comics right?

Punishing Loki wouldn't be "unnecessary" bloodshed since Loki has actually killed thousands of living beings, besides I'm not saying Loki should be killed only punished.

Yea. The other thing that people seem to forget is that Human lives arn't view by the Gods and other Higher level being as being as important as there live. The gods view humans like humans view animals.

If I went out and killed a thousand puppies would I be executed or just spend an extend period in prison.

Loki is Odins son or kidnapped son:cwink:
I think a father should not torture his own child no matter what he has done.
I am 18 and have no kids but that's what I think:yay:

You don't know much history do you. Monarchs kill there relative all the time. Brother fight and kill each other for the thrown. There have been Kings/Emperors to execute people in there extend and immediate family.

[The Morningstar]

Loki is Odins son or kidnapped son:cwink:
I think a father should not torture his own child no matter what he has done.
I am 18 and have no kids but that's what I think:yay:

This is Odin we're talking about here. He doesn't take kindly to disobedience by his children.

Frankly, mythological Odin was a bit of a douche bag. Marvel's Odin is much more lenient, but still has one hell of a temper on him.

[catgirl18]

Yea. The other thing that people seem to forget is that Human lives arn't view by the God and other Higher level being as being as important as there live. The gods view humans like humans view animals.

If I went out and killed a thousand puppy would i be executed or just spend an extend period in prison.



You don't know much history do you. Monarchs kill there relative all the time. Brother fight and kill each other for the thrown. There have been Kings/Emperors to execute people in there extend and immediate family.
I would not hurt my child especially if it is my adoptive child.
in the movie Loki is the way he is because of his “father” Odin, if he treated Loki the same way he treated Thor he wouldn’t have to prove to his father that he is worthy and probably wouldn’t have done anything bad, I mean Odin adopted Loki you don’t love one more than the other. Then again we wouldn’t have a story.
I don’t think Odin did good by hiding Loki’s Frost Giant heritage he, like many parents in the real world with adopted children, tried to hide the fact that Loki wasn’t his child by blood in an attempt to protect him (a tactic that always comes back to bite the parents in the ass). I think Odin and Frigga should have sat down and told Loki when he was a child, would it have made things better? I don’t know, but it would have been the correct thing and may had avoided many problems for Loki.

[Smashlilman]

This is Odin we're talking about here. He doesn't take kindly to disobedience by his children.

Frankly, mythological Odin was a bit of a douche bag. Marvel's Odin is much more lenient, but still has one hell of a temper on him.

He's still nicer than Biblical God. Killed every person on the planet out side of Noah's immediate family for being Doucebags.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/bible-images/hires/Genesis-Chapter-7-The-Great-Flood.jpg


I would not hurt my child especially if it is my adoptive child.
in the movie Loki is the way he is because of his “father” Odin, if he treated Loki the same way he treated Thor he wouldn’t have to prove to his father that he is worthy and probably wouldn’t have done anything bad, I mean Odin adopted Loki you don’t love one more than the other. Then again we wouldn’t have a story.
I don’t think Odin did good by hiding Loki’s Frost Giant heritage he, like many parents in the real world with adopted children, tried to hide the fact that Loki wasn’t his child by blood in an attempt to protect him (a tactic that always comes back to bite the parents in the ass). I think Odin and Frigga should have sat down and told Loki when he was a child, would it have made things better? I don’t know, but it would have been the correct thing and may had avoided many problems for Loki.

Loki was inherently villainous. He's a Frost Giant. He would have always be cruel. His cruelty just turned on Odin and Asgard when he felt betrayed.

[catgirl18]

He's still nicer than Biblical God. Killed every person on the planet out side of Noah's immediate family for being Doucebags.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/bible-images/hires/Genesis-Chapter-7-The-Great-Flood.jpg




Loki was inherently villainous. He's a Frost Giant. He would have always be cruel. His cruelty just turned on Odin and Asgard when he felt betrayed.
http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/12/loki-an-allegory-about-internalised-racism/

that at was long a conversation on tumblr
No one is evil just because he belongs to a different other race.
you have a funny kind of thinking:csad:

[captainrogers]

Plus, Odin wouldn't have the luxury of only treating Loki as a Son.
He has to treat Loki as his subject as well.
He IS King after all. Ultimately he has to treat matters as such.

[Smashlilman]

http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/12/loki-an-allegory-about-internalised-racism/

that at was long a conversation on tumblr
No one is evil just because he belongs to a different other race.
you have a funny kind of thinking:csad:

Frost Giants are vicious by nature. You can't place human traits onto them because they don't conform with what you believe. Not saying that he can't be nice or do nice things its just that that the nature of the Frost Giants.

Frost Giants are just the Demons/Devil of Norse Mythology.

[Incredible Hans]

http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/12/loki-an-allegory-about-internalised-racism/

that at was long a conversation on tumblr
No one is evil just because he belongs to a different other race.
you have a funny kind of thinking:csad:

Right. No one is evil because he belongs to a different other race. IN REALITY.

In fiction, however, there can exist such things as demons, devils etc. that are evil by birth.

While "evil by birth" is a concept that I'd consider racist in real life, it is just fitting for mythology. Demons, for example, are evil. They are part of a eternal force that wants destruction and suffering since the beginning of time. So demons (and possibly frost giant) are not a race like Europeans, Black, Asians etc. They are more like Tolkien's orcs or the Gremlins from the old movie.

[catgirl18]

Plus, Odin wouldn't have the luxury of only treating Loki as a Son.
He has to treat Loki as his subject as well.
He IS King after all. Ultimately he has to treat matters as such.
I would always choose the side of my child

[catgirl18]

Right. No one is evil because he belongs to a different other race. IN REALITY.

In fiction, however, there can exist such things as demons, devils etc. that are evil by birth.

While "evil by birth" is a concept that I'd consider racist in real life, it is just fitting for mythology. Demons, for example, are evil. They are part of a eternal force that wants destruction and suffering since the beginning of time. So demons (and possibly frost giant) are not a race like Europeans, Black, Asians etc. They are more like Tolkien's orcs or the Gremlins from the old movie.
they're just like everyone else I think the Jotun are a beautiful culture.
The people of Asgard are too arrogant.
for them there is only asgard

[captainrogers]

I would always choose the side of my child
That's wonderful, but as queen or king of an entire realm, one HAS to try and remove oneself from that emotional aspect a bit.
'heavy is the head that wears the crown' and all that...
I'm a father, myself, and let's just say, if it came to a decision like this...I'd be glad I Wasn't King.

[Wolvieboy17]

But that's always been the great thing about Thor, sure he starts out arrogant but he has the potential to be such a better King than Odin. Sure Odin's wise but he's made a **** load of mistakes and I think Thor has the potential to be more forward thinking as a ruler, through his experiences on Midgard.

[Smashlilman]

I would always choose the side of my child

This is what happens when you don't kill evil children. If only King Author would have kill his son Mordred (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordred) earlier he wouldn't be dead.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/MORDRED.jpghttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/80496/1474882-mordred9_super.jpg

[Incredible Hans]

they're just like everyone else I think the Jotun are a beautiful culture.
The people of Asgard are too arrogant.
for them there is only asgard

Well, there is no point in arguing about it. It's just a matter of taste. Do the authors want the Frost Giants to be a demon-like evil race or just a different nation "like everyone else"?

Of course, both concepts would work.

BTW, I just remember how surprised I was that even such an intelligent man like Reed Richards called the skrulls "one of the most evil races of the universe". Since the skrull are not demons or anything like it, they shouldn't be considered evil as a whole...

[catgirl18]

That's wonderful, but as queen or king of an entire realm, one HAS to try and remove oneself from that emotional aspect a bit.
'heavy is the head that wears the crown' and all that...
I'm a father, myself, and let's just say, if it came to a decision like this...I'd be glad I Wasn't King.
my dad would choose me and I am only his adoptive child:yay:

[Smashlilman]

Well, there is no point in arguing about it. It's just a matter of taste. Do the authors want the Frost Giants to be a demon-like evil race or just a different nation "like everyone else"?

Of course, both concepts would work.

BTW, I just remember how surprised I was that even such an intelligent man like Reed Richards called the skrulls "one of the most evil races of the universe". Since the skrull are not demons or anything like it, they shouldn't be considered evil as a whole...

The Skulls are the Nazi of the Universe. They live to fight and concur other planets and enslave there inhabitants. Its inherent to there species.

[Incredible Hans]

The skulls are the Nazi of the Universe.

But Nazi is an ideology, not a race. Skrull is a race.

[Incredible Hans]

my dad would choose me and I am only his adoptive child:yay:

If I had a child (adoptive or not), I would do the same.:cwink:

[JoeyConQueso]

Loki sure does love his tailored suits.

[cherokeesam]

If Frost Giants are "inherently evil," and incapable of possessing any redeemable qualities, then (a) Odin wouldn't have even bothered trying to sign a peace treaty with them (which he did), and (b) he sure as hell wouldn't have felt sorry for a baby Jotun and adopted him and brought him into his own home.

Frost Giants have redeeming qualities. Odin *recognized* that.

Besides, I strongly doubt the cinematic Odin is going to be allowed to be nearly as douche-y as comic-book or even mythological Odin. The studio has no need nor desire to show a "dark side" to Odin by allowing him to do the Prometheus-type torture on Loki.

[Wolvieboy17]

But Nazi is an ideology, not a race. Skrull is a race.

It still works as an analogy.

[Guerrilla]

I personally would prefer for thor to bring back loki to asgard so odin can punish loki. Which is what we are likely to see. This moral argument aside, bringing loki home for judgement makes good sense...odin is king. He makes the rules. I would love to see odin throw loki into a world where he couldnt speak or chain him to whatever and have a snake drip poison into his eyes. These punishments are harsh enough and still give loki the oppurtunity to break out again later or make a deal with someone or something else in exchange for freedom in other films. I wouldnt hate it if thor killed loki in the heat of the final fight. But it seems highly unlikely. Afterall, taking loki back home is a sign of respect both to odin , as the judge and king, and to loki as the kings subject and son

[Rock Sexton]

You mean in the Avengers: News and Speculation Thread? So much more. Why do some people still act surprised over stuff like this? It's what we do, get over it. If you don't want to analyze it then why ruin others' fun? :whatever:

It's one thing to discuss some of the obvious things ..... but the level to which some of the rest being discussed is dare I say on the verge of obsessive/compulsive. JMO.

[cherokeesam]

It's one thing to discuss some of the obvious things ..... but the level to which some of the rest being discussed is dare I see on the verge of obsessive/compulsive. JMO.


Welcome to forums, fandom, and slow news days.

[Rock Sexton]

Dude, come one. That's pretty much completely uncalled for. All anyone on this board does is talk about what they want out of this movie. Why would I, or you, or AB be any different? All the things he listed were actually completely valid requests and not at all off the wall.

This is a board completely full of Avengers fans and you're asking them to stop analyzing the movie they're raving about? Why? That's all there is to do! It's pretty much the sole reason anyone comes here in the first place.

AB, you are some kind of wizard, because no matter what you say it has the innate ability to bring the absolute worst out of some of these people. I'm literally astounded.

I mean really look at your response to his comment Rock. Did anything he say in that post really warrant that kind of reaction from you? Anything at all? Because all I saw were a couple of hopeful requests for a science-fiction movie, and all completely sensible at that. I just can't make sense of it.

Some posters sole purpose in life is to post for attention (whether negative or positive) .... you fail to recognize this. AB posts because he likes to incite arguments. He has the contrarian opinion 99% of the time.

[Rock Sexton]

Tony's drink problems and overall nihilistic, self destructive mentality was done well in IM2. One of the only things done well.

It was all there for us to see, we don't need to be told about it. Show, don't tell.

You can't have a movie (which is also heavily aimed at children) contain a protagonist who's a complete drunk. They could only try to approach it subtly.

[Guerrilla]

You can't have a movie (which is also heavily aimed at children) contain a protagonist who's a complete drunk. They could only try to approach it subtly.
I agree. Although i think the main audience is 18 and up. There were alot of adult themes in both IM and im2. Lots of killing ( headshots even), terrorism, betrayal, etc. I dig the level theyve explored the alcholism plot. They havent roped themselves inti it specifically but you know its there.

[Guerrilla]

On a different note, any guesses on stan lee's cameo? Im guessing a doorman at stark tower or maybe just a taxi driver during the invasion.

[Smashlilman]

If Frost Giants are "inherently evil," and incapable of possessing any redeemable qualities, then (a) Odin wouldn't have even bothered trying to sign a peace treaty with them (which he did), and (b) he sure as hell wouldn't have felt sorry for a baby Jotun and adopted him and brought him into his own home.

Frost Giants have redeeming qualities. Odin *recognized* that.

Besides, I strongly doubt the cinematic Odin is going to be allowed to be nearly as douche-y as comic-book or even mythological Odin. The studio has no need nor desire to show a "dark side" to Odin by allowing him to do the Prometheus-type torture on Loki.

lol i think Loki was a failed experiment. No mater how much good he does He's all ways destine to do much great evil and seal the deal by causing Ragnarok. :oldrazz:

[Shadowlord X]

The Skulls are the Nazi of the Universe. They live to fight and concur other planets and enslave there inhabitants. Its inherent to there species.

This is not true. In the comics they were quite benevolent at one point and became violent in response to warlike nature of the upstart Kree empire.

[ThePowerCosmic]

It's one thing to discuss some of the obvious things ..... but the level to which some of the rest being discussed is dare I say on the verge of obsessive/compulsive. JMO.

Yep, ahh... The Superherohype forums. Home sweet home. :hrt:

[ThePowerCosmic]

On a different note, any guesses on stan lee's cameo? Im guessing a doorman at stark tower or maybe just a taxi driver during the invasion.

I think I heard that he's playing some guy on the street that talks to Cap.

[Shadowlord X]

If Frost Giants are "inherently evil," and incapable of possessing any redeemable qualities, then (a) Odin wouldn't have even bothered trying to sign a peace treaty with them (which he did), and (b) he sure as hell wouldn't have felt sorry for a baby Jotun and adopted him and brought him into his own home.

Frost Giants have redeeming qualities. Odin *recognized* that.



This sounds reasonable to me.

[Smashlilman]

This is not true. In the comics they were quite benevolent at one point and became violent in response to warlike of the upstart Kree empire.

lol I keep mixing the Mythology with the Marvel versions.

[Captain Marvel]

Yeah, if it wasn't for those damn dirty Kree the Skrulls would've remained a peaceful and benevolent people.

[ThePowerCosmic]

lol I keep mixing the Mythology with the Marvel versions.

I've always thought your name was Smashamilian for some reason... After actually reading it, Smash lil man makes so much more sense. :funny:

[Shadowlord X]

Some posters sole purpose in life is to post for attention (whether negative or positive) .... you fail to recognize this. AB posts because he likes to incite arguments. He has the contrarian opinion 99% of the time.

There are 2 other problems with AB.

1: He continues to posts his opinions in an authoritative manner as if his opinion supercedes the rest of the universe. And these opinions go against the majority. Just look at his recent umpteenth dig at IM2.

2: The concept of the 'Annoyance Threshold'. For many people, myself included, there comes a time a certain individual has annoyed them so much that just seeing them or hearing them (or in this case reading their post) causes them to become extremely annoyed, even if the annoying person hasn't done anything this time that is actually annoying. I have a feeling AB has crossed many people's annoyance threshold here.

[Shadowlord X]

I think I heard that he's playing some guy on the street that talks to Cap.

Yep.

[Incredible Hans]

Yeah, if it wasn't for those damn dirty Kree the Skrulls would've remained a peaceful and benevolent people.

Right. "Operation Galactic Storm" showed that the Kree are the true Nazis of the universe: the Kree had concentration camps for their enemies.

[jaqua99]

Hiddleston, Hemsworth, Evans, and Stan signed 6 film contracts.

I think the rest of the Thor/Cap supporting casts signed 3 film contracts.

Hiddleston? No, are you sure about Hiddleston? He is gunna be in all 3 Avengers films? I doubt it.

Yeah I definately want to see Loki use more elaborate forms of magic in this film, I would love for him to create shields, manipulate the enviroment, and cast a variety of offensive spells.

I've brought up Loki not being able to fly and his lack of exotic uses of magic several times before, but for some reason no one seems to care.

I agree with you. I wanna see spellss, and I want to see him do some astral projection.

I would not hurt my child especially if it is my adoptive child.
in the movie Loki is the way he is because of his “father” Odin, if he treated Loki the same way he treated Thor he wouldn’t have to prove to his father that he is worthy and probably wouldn’t have done anything bad, I mean Odin adopted Loki you don’t love one more than the other. Then again we wouldn’t have a story.
I don’t think Odin did good by hiding Loki’s Frost Giant heritage he, like many parents in the real world with adopted children, tried to hide the fact that Loki wasn’t his child by blood in an attempt to protect him (a tactic that always comes back to bite the parents in the ass). I think Odin and Frigga should have sat down and told Loki when he was a child, would it have made things better? I don’t know, but it would have been the correct thing and may had avoided many problems for Loki.

Odin is not the reason Loki is evil. He is evil at heart.

Some posters sole purpose in life is to post for attention (whether negative or positive) .... you fail to recognize this. AB posts because he likes to incite arguments. He has the contrarian opinion 99% of the time.

Yes, so simply ignore it, like I said, everyone feeling need to respond to it is just as much as a problem in bringing the forum down, just let him talk dude. Ignore it, don't even have to respond what he says.

There are 2 other problems with AB.

1: He continues to posts his opinions in an authoritative manner as if his opinion supercedes the rest of the universe. And these opinions go against the majority. Just look at his recent umpteenth dig at IM2.

2: The concept of the 'Annoyance Threshold'. For many people, myself included, there comes a time a certain individual has annoyed them so much that just seeing them or hearing them (or in this case reading their post) causes them to become extremely annoyed, even if the annoying person hasn't done anything this time that is actually annoying. I have a feeling AB has crossed many people's annoyance threshold here.

Ignore him man, don't get involved with his posts, if we all simply ignore what he says, then there is nothing to fight about.

[Oruku Saki]

I personally could give a damn about you guys' and AB ongoing fighting....the last few pages; uggghhh....let's talk about Avengers please. So, did anybody else notice that when Loki says the line about "you are so desperate...." he is actually talking to Stark, then it cuts to Fury saying the "you've made me very desperate"? I always thought from the footage description we got from sdcc that this was all one scene with Fury?

[catgirl18]

Hiddleston? No, are you sure about Hiddleston? He is gunna be in all 3 Avengers films? I doubt it.



I agree with you. I wanna see spellss, and I want to see him do some astral projection.



Odin is not the reason Loki is evil. He is evil at heart.



Yes, so simply ignore it, like I said, everyone feeling need to respond to it is just as much as a problem in bringing the forum down, just let him talk dude. Ignore it, don't even have to respond what he says.



Ignore him man, don't get involved with his posts, if we all simply ignore what he says, then there is nothing to fight about.
Nobody is born evil this is silly:cwink:

[jaqua99]

I personally could give a damn about you guys' and AB ongoing fighting....the last few pages; uggghhh....let's talk about Avengers please. So, did anybody else notice that when Loki says the line about "you are so desperate...." he is actually talking to Stark, then it cuts to Fury saying the "you've made me very desperate"? I always thought from the footage description we got from sdcc that this was all one scene with Fury?

Yes, exactly, who cares about the fighting, thats what I am saying. But I think that thsese are two separate conversations.

Nobody is born evil this is silly:cwink:

Not true ;) Using this logic, no one is born good, or nice

[captainrogers]

Nobody is born evil this is silly:cwink:
Depends if the writer or the mythology has intended it to be that way.
But Odin is still not the reason for Loki's evil.

[Shadowlord X]

Nobody is born evil this is silly:cwink:

AB maybe?

LOL.

Sorry AB. No offence. Just having some fun at your expense.

:yay:

[jaqua99]

Depends if the writer or the mythology has intended it to be that way.
But Odin is still not the reason for Loki's evil.

These are comics, its not a direct correlation of real life, real life morals are slightly different, which is what she doesn't get, I don't think.

Loki is one of the most evil villians in marvel period.

[Shadowlord X]

Hey that rhymed.

[protocida]

Loki's imprisionment won't be shown in the movie, but, if they have it in Thor 2, it'll probably be The Room Without Doors.

[eddy]

I personally could give a damn about you guys' and AB ongoing fighting....the last few pages; uggghhh....let's talk about Avengers please. So, did anybody else notice that when Loki says the line about "you are so desperate...." he is actually talking to Stark, then it cuts to Fury saying the "you've made me very desperate"? I always thought from the footage description we got from sdcc that this was all one scene with Fury?

Are we sure the scene of him with Stark he's saying those lines? Sometimes trailers dub audio over other scenes. Guess this is a excuse for me to watch the trailer again.:doh:

[Incredible Hans]

Nobody is born evil this is silly:cwink:

According to wikipedia, some marvel characters are inheritently evil:

"Satannish is a demonic being of pure mystical energy, an embodiment of evil."

"Mephisto is an extremely powerful immortal demonic entity [...] The character has been shown to be energized by sources of evil in the human realm [...]"

"[...] Mephisto, who creates a 'son', Blackheart, from the energy of the accumulated evil. Blackheart explored the nature of evil under his father's tutelage [...]"

"Surtur was depicted as an immense and malevolent elemental fire demon whose power was of apocalyptic proportions."

[catgirl18]

These are comics, its not a direct correlation of real life, real life morals are slightly different, which is what she doesn't get, I don't think.

Loki is one of the most evil villians in marvel period.

These are comics I know that
I only said what I think about it .
is this wrong :huh:

[captainrogers]

These are comics, its not a direct correlation of real life, real life morals are slightly different, which is what she doesn't get, I don't think.

Loki is one of the most evil villians in marvel period.

Agreed.
I get that Loki is a favorite character.
And a certain amount of bias is to be expected.
But yes. Loki is awesome as a villain. And depending on the story, as a conflicted villain with hints of redemption.
Really, one of the only villains in the Marvel U I feel should have no sympathetic qualities is Red Skull.

[Shadowlord X]

Ignore him man, don't get involved with his posts, if we all simply ignore what he says, then there is nothing to fight about.

Oh I don't interact much at all.

With the exception of that one a couple posts ago, I'm trying to be completely ABstinent.

[jaqua99]

Hey that rhymed.

Look at you.

[jaqua99]

Oh I don't interact much at all.

With the exception of that one a couple posts ago, I'm trying to be completely ABstinent.


Now that is clever right there, I like it. haha

[captainrogers]

These are comics I know that
I only said what I think about it .
is this wrong :huh:
No, nothing wrong. Just slightly differing opinions on the matter is all.
I'm a great fan of Loki myself.

[catgirl18]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0bbqfYryE1r1d1ll.jpg


It looks like that they’re both running from the explosions going on behind them.

[Shadowlord X]

The thing is with Tom Hiddleston as LOKI, MARVEL STUDIOS has hit cinematic gold (RDJ as Tony Stark/IRON MAN now qualifies as cinematic platinum). MARVEL is smart and will recognize that and will try and not let that slip through their fingers; the same way the realised that Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson had become a fan fav and expanded his role in the MCU. So expect him to be along for duration of the THOR movie franchise.

[Shadowlord X]

Look at you.

:yay: I am so smrt.

[jaqua99]

Agreed.
I get that Loki is a favorite character.
And a certain amount of bias is to be expected.
But yes. Loki is awesome as a villain. And depending on the story, as a conflicted villain with hints of redemption.
Really, one of the only villains in the Marvel U I feel should have no sympathetic qualities is Red Skull.

I'd say Ultron and Thanos to an extent, but more so Ultron than Thanos. I feel no sympathy for Ultron. Thanos isn't "disgusting" infact I find his obsession with death and his hunger for genocide, rather interesting than disgusting, opposed to someone evil like the skull.

[jaqua99]

The thing is with Tom Hiddleston as LOKI, MARVEL STUDIOS has hit cinematic gold (RDJ as Tony Stark/IRON MAN now qualifies as cinematic platinum). MARVEL is smart and will recognize that and will try and not let that slip through their fingers; the same way the realised that Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson had become a fan fav and expanded his role in the MCU. So expect him to be along for duration of the THOR movie franchise.

Not just that. Loki always sticks around in Thor's story, which to be honest, is a main reason why I think They will keep him for Thor movies. But someone said he signed for 6 marvel films? 6? Not 4? Thor 1, 2, and 3, and The avengers, but what else?

[catgirl18]

Not just that. Loki always sticks around in Thor's story, which to be honest, is a main reason why I think They will keep him for Thor movies. But someone said he signed for 6 marvel films? 6? Not 4? Thor 1, 2, and 3, and The avengers, but what else?
He said 6

[jaqua99]

He said 6

I know he said six, but what I am saying, what other films will he be in? Thor 1, 2, 3, and The Avengers are 4 films. What are the two other films?

[Guerrilla]

I know he said six, but what I am saying, what other films will he be in? Thor 1, 2, 3, and The Avengers are 4 films. What are the two other films?
Avengers 2 & 3!

[Shadowlord X]

Now that is clever right there, I like it. haha

Thanx. :yay:

[Shadowlord X]

Not just that. Loki always sticks around in Thor's story, which to be honest, is a main reason why I think They will keep him for Thor movies. But someone said he signed for 6 marvel films? 6? Not 4? Thor 1, 2, and 3, and The avengers, but what else?

Part of it is I think that the 6 picture deal is sort of standard for MARVEL STUDIOS, with 9 picture deals for specific actors/characters.

Personally I think considering the ages of the actors, the richness of the mythos/mythology, and the top-notch rogue's gallery, that THOR movies can go far, far beyond a trilogy.

[Shadowlord X]

Not just that. Loki always sticks around in Thor's story, which to be honest, is a main reason why I think They will keep him for Thor movies. But someone said he signed for 6 marvel films? 6? Not 4? Thor 1, 2, and 3, and The avengers, but what else?

Also, I think it would be absolutely cool to see LOKI as a behind the scenes villain organising the MASTERS of EVIL (as in A:EMH) in a sequel to THE AVENGERS.

[captainrogers]

Also Hids doesn't HAVE to be in 6 films. Marvel simply has the option to call him up for that many.

[jaqua99]

Part of it is I think that the 6 picture deal is sort of standard for MARVEL STUDIOS, with 9 picture deals for specific actors/characters.

Personally I think considering the ages of the actors, the richness of the mythos/mythology, and the top-notch rogue's gallery, that THOR movies can go far, far beyond a trilogy.

You think they will??

[Guerrilla]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0bbqfYryE1r1d1ll.jpg


It looks like that they’re both running from the explosions going on behind them.

You gotta be right. If it was a case of hulk chasing widow...he could easily catch her and stomp on her or whatever. Im thinking he is protecting her from the explosions.

[Shadowlord X]

You think they will??

Honestly I have no idea, but I hope so. There are so many THOR villains I want to see up on the big screen.

It will of course depend on how well recieved the franchise is on a film by film basis.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I must say that with the quality of the CGI in this film I hope Marvel sticks with either ILM or Weta for ALL of their movies. Surtur + ILM/Weta = Badass

[Smashlilman]

These are comics I know that
I only said what I think about it .
is this wrong :huh:

Nothing is wrong with it. We all just have a difference of opinion. For me I love the black and white nature of good and evil in comics. Well some comics like the blur the line and use real world morality.

[Captain Marvel]

I'd be thrilled to see Thor go beyond a movie trilogy. There're plenty of villains and plotlines they can explore that can sustain them beyond three movies. Off the top of my head there's...

Surtur
Malekith
Ulik
The Wrecking Crew
Enchantress
Executioner
Hela
Karnilla
Ares
Absorbing Man

Of course, some of those would be lackeys of other villains, but still. That's plenty of material for more than three movies. And of course, there's always Ragnarok with Loki, the Midgard Serpent, Fenris, etc.

[jaqua99]

These are comics I know that
I only said what I think about it .
is this wrong :huh:

Nooo its not at all :)

Loki is just one evil SOB, but that doesn't stop him from being my second favorite villian :)

[Vartha]

Well I'm guessing at the Helicarier Deck tower from the heads up monitors from the trailer and Maria Hill images. Still need a clear shot of the back of the Helicarrier
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/9485/helicarriermodel10.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/201/helicarriermodel11.jpg

[Guerrilla]

Well I'm guessing at the Helicarier Deck tower from the heads up monitors from the trailer and Maria Hill images. Still need a clear shot of the back of the Helicarrier
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/9485/helicarriermodel10.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/201/helicarriermodel11.jpg
Thats awesome!!! I love the front runway going underneath the rear one. I hadnt noticed this in the trailers but its a great design.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Some posters sole purpose in life is to post for attention (whether negative or positive) .... you fail to recognize this. AB posts because he likes to incite arguments. He has the contrarian opinion 99% of the time. Thanks for the vote of confidence, Rock. I really thought you were better than this, but I guess peer pressure is just too hard to resist for some. I'll add you to the Whiskey Tango/Chewy/Herolee10/Kingmatte approach to online discussion from here on out.

[Dr Lee]

that looks great Vartha....

[Vartha]

Thats awesome!!! I love the front runway going underneath the rear one. I hadnt noticed this in the trailers but its a great design.someone posted Bootleg Concept art awhile back. that's the way it looks. I'm assuming since I didn't see anywhere on deck a sign of Jet elevators, that the deck lowers and rises.
My Boss got to Guard a rough cut Showing of the Avengers and said it was spot on. lol So the concept art might not be that far off

[Vartha]

that looks great Vartha....
Funny thing, my laptop froze up after I'd taken those screen caps. Yet another model I'll have to work on only on the Desktop. :doh:

[Incredible Hans]

Just watched the trailer at youtube again. And every time I do this, there are more and more intelligent comments.

Here are some of them:

"WTF where's spiderman?"

"but weres spiderman :("

"where is SPIDERMAAAN!!! :( "

"wtf where is wolverine?"

"why no Spiderman? :("

"Where is Spiderman!"

"skinny thor fail."

"Green Lantern, Spidey , Bad spidey ?!?! WTF WHERE ARE D AWESOME PPL?!?!?!"

"hahaha Green Lantern wasn't invited"

"With spidey it would be more easy"

"Why isn't Edward Norton the Hulk?"

"Hulk looks a little scrawny for.... Hulk."

"where is spiderman?"

"HEY! SO THE ONE IN THOR WAS GREEN ARROW ACTUALLY.... "

"where the **** is spiderman"

"Where peter parker the team is noyhing without him"

[captainrogers]

Just watched the trailer at youtube again. And every time I do this, there are more and more intelligent comments.

Here are some of them:

"WTF where's spiderman?"

"but weres spiderman :("

"where is SPIDERMAAAN!!! :( "

"wtf where is wolverine?"

"why no Spiderman? :("

"Where is Spiderman!"

"skinny thor fail."

"Green Lantern, Spidey , Bad spidey ?!?! WTF WHERE ARE D AWESOME PPL?!?!?!"

"hahaha Green Lantern wasn't invited"

"With spidey it would be more easy"

"Why isn't Edward Norton the Hulk?"

"Hulk looks a little scrawny for.... Hulk."

"where is spiderman?"

"HEY! SO THE ONE IN THOR WAS GREEN ARROW ACTUALLY.... "

"where the **** is spiderman"

"Where peter parker the team is noyhing without him"

That Last one made me literally LOL.

[Vartha]

Tell the kids that those two were NOT in Avengers when they first formed and show them a cover of Avengers number 1 from the 60's! lol
Just watched the trailer at youtube again. And every time I do this, there are more and more intelligent comments.

Here are some of them:

"WTF where's spiderman?"

"but weres spiderman :("

"where is SPIDERMAAAN!!! :( "

"wtf where is wolverine?"

"why no Spiderman? :("

"Where is Spiderman!"

"skinny thor fail."

"Green Lantern, Spidey , Bad spidey ?!?! WTF WHERE ARE D AWESOME PPL?!?!?!"

"hahaha Green Lantern wasn't invited"

"With spidey it would be more easy"

"Why isn't Edward Norton the Hulk?"

"Hulk looks a little scrawny for.... Hulk."

"where is spiderman?"

"HEY! SO THE ONE IN THOR WAS GREEN ARROW ACTUALLY.... "

"where the **** is spiderman"

"Where peter parker the team is noyhing without him"

[chamber-music]

Someone should tell those whinney b****** Spidey and Wolverine have got there own movies coming out and the avengers where perfectly fine for about 50 years before Marvel put those characters in the Avengers.

[The Morningstar]

Spidey and Wolverine are not Avengers. They are Bendisvengers.

[craigdbfan]

Every time I read YouTube comments for popular videos the phrase "Is this reality?" comes to mind.

[sabetoonth]

double post

[sabetoonth]

I just wish I had a time machine to undo the reading

[Oruku Saki]

Every time I read YouTube comments for popular videos the phrase "Is this reality?" comes to mind.

Mine is always "are people really this dumb?"

[Vartha]

OH and by the way Captain America didn't appear until issue 4 when the Hulk had left. :D

[Incredible Hans]

Ten good responses to silly "Where is Spider-Man"-questions:

"Where is Spider-Man?"

1. In his own movie.

2. He just realized that for such great responsibility he needed greater power.

3. Spider-Man underwent gender reassignment surgery and calls himself Black Widow now.

4. Spider-Man is having you for dinner tonight (courtesy of The Cure)

5. I am Spider-Man and don't blow my cover!

6. He is just outside your window. If you hurry, you can still see him.

7. Who cares! But where is Chuck Norris?

8. If Spider-Man is clever, he is where Mary Jane is.

9. Where is the world's first brain transplantation and who could be the guy to get the brain?

10. He is not in the trailer because they don't want to let us know that he is the movie's secret villain.

[chamber-music]

Should of said you can see Spidey in the reflection of Hulks eyes

[Scarecrow_King]

Spidey and Wolverine are not Avengers. They are Bendisvengers.

:up: this x1000

[marvel_freshman]

@Vartha That's turning out great dude! Can't wait to see the final product, and a pic of it from the film too!:cwink:

[BigThor]

But that's always been the great thing about Thor, sure he starts out arrogant but he has the potential to be such a better King than Odin. Sure Odin's wise but he's made a **** load of mistakes and I think Thor has the potential to be more forward thinking as a ruler, through his experiences on Midgard.

Yeah I agree, that's why I'd like to see Thor become King of Asgard at some point in Hemsworth's THOR franchise (maybe in the 3rd or 4th film).

[chamber-music]

OH and by the way Captain America didn't appear until issue 4 when the Hulk had left. :D
As well as the Hulk could talk pretty well and liked hiding out at the circus.

Hawkeye didn't show up until issue 14 and Black Widow originally shows up to steal Tony Starks tech :woot:

[Hawkingbird]

Just watched the trailer at youtube again. And every time I do this, there are more and more intelligent comments.

Here are some of them:

"WTF where's spiderman?"

"but weres spiderman :("

"where is SPIDERMAAAN!!! :( "

"wtf where is wolverine?"

"why no Spiderman? :("

"Where is Spiderman!"

"skinny thor fail."

"Green Lantern, Spidey , Bad spidey ?!?! WTF WHERE ARE D AWESOME PPL?!?!?!"

"hahaha Green Lantern wasn't invited"

"With spidey it would be more easy"

"Why isn't Edward Norton the Hulk?"

"Hulk looks a little scrawny for.... Hulk."

"where is spiderman?"

"HEY! SO THE ONE IN THOR WAS GREEN ARROW ACTUALLY.... "

"where the **** is spiderman"


"Where peter parker the team is noyhing without him"


I would put a "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme...but IT DOESN'T LET ME FREEKING PASTE!

[Incredible Hans]

Should of said you can see Spidey in the reflection of Hulks eyes

Right. But don't be disappointed, guys; Spider-Man's cowl looks terrible and he is too much in the background.

[Shadowlord X]

I'd be thrilled to see Thor go beyond a movie trilogy. There're plenty of villains and plotlines they can explore that can sustain them beyond three movies. Off the top of my head there's...

Surtur
Malekith
Ulik
The Wrecking Crew
Enchantress
Executioner
Hela
Karnilla
Ares
Absorbing Man

Of course, some of those would be lackeys of other villains, but still. That's plenty of material for more than three movies. And of course, there's always Ragnarok with Loki, the Midgard Serpent, Fenris, etc.


Now I would love to see the Wrecking Crew in a movie, but I wonder if they would be percieved as too cheesy or 'comicbooky' by todays audience.

[BigThor]

You know i wouldn't be surprised if Thor and Loki's final confrontation is more a war of words. With Thor trying to get through to him, to come back to the light.

Maybe Thor and Loki's confrontation could be both a war of words and an epic battle, becuase I sure as hell don't want it to be just a war of words.

[craigdbfan]

Damn bots! :argh:

[Scarecrow_King]

:lmao:

[BigThor]

Now I would love to see the Wrecking Crew in a movie, but I wonder if they would be percieved as too cheesy or 'comicbooky' by todays audience.

People said the same thing about Thor himself until his solo film was released, so I'm pretty sure they could undergo a similar makeover for their appearance in a Thor film.

[Guerrilla]

Now I would love to see the Wrecking Crew in a movie, but I wonder if they would be percieved as too cheesy or 'comicbooky' by todays audience.
I dunno, i feel like part of the brilliance of the MCU is the fact that for the most part they are remaining true to the look and feel of the books..which lends to more freedom when introducing less realistic looking/feeling characters. The suspension of disbelief is easier accepted with each new addition to the universe. Whether it be something small like hulk talking or something big like other realms, thanos(maybe), & aliens flying on dragons.

[Hawkingbird]

Wow, that ad has really drawn me in. I am so going to click on that link. Thank you friendly user :)

[captainrogers]

Lamisil...lamisil, lamisil....
!
the UN Redacted name of 'The Redacted' is:
LAMISIL!

[R_Hythlodeus]

Lamisil...lamisil, lamisil....
!
the UN Redacted name of 'The Redacted' is:
LAMISIL!

What?? Who?

[Spider-Fan]

Taken care of :)

[captainrogers]

Taken care of :)
Thank you.
But damage done.
That word...like...the Sun...
When I close my eyes I can STILL see it!

:p

[The Infernal]

So what did I miss?

[captainrogers]

So what did I miss?

Nothing. Just product spam.

[ThePowerCosmic]

I must say that with the quality of the CGI in this film I hope Marvel sticks with either ILM or Weta for ALL of their movies. Surtur + ILM/Weta = Badass

On a completely unrelated note, does JB stand for Jer Bear?

[DoomsdayApex]

Just watched the trailer at youtube again. And every time I do this, there are more and more intelligent comments.

Here are some of them:

"WTF where's spiderman?"

"but weres spiderman :("

"where is SPIDERMAAAN!!! :( "

"wtf where is wolverine?"

"why no Spiderman? :("

"Where is Spiderman!"

"skinny thor fail."

"Green Lantern, Spidey , Bad spidey ?!?! WTF WHERE ARE D AWESOME PPL?!?!?!"

"hahaha Green Lantern wasn't invited"

"With spidey it would be more easy"

"Why isn't Edward Norton the Hulk?"

"Hulk looks a little scrawny for.... Hulk."

"where is spiderman?"

"HEY! SO THE ONE IN THOR WAS GREEN ARROW ACTUALLY.... "

"where the **** is spiderman"

"Where peter parker the team is noyhing without him"

You should see TDKR's comments. It all revolves around Heath Ledger and Bane's size. :doh:

As for Morningstar's comment regarding the final showdown between Thor and Loki in the film, I wouldn't mind if it did end up being a war of words for 75% of the duration. Loki is still Thor's brother, and I'm certain that Thor still loves him so.

[JB-the-Hunter]

On a completely unrelated note, does JB stand for Jer Bear?

No, JB is my initials. But I do use that username on CBM.

[ThePowerCosmic]

No, JB is my initials. But I do use that username on CBM.

Ohh okay, I visited CBM today and I recognized that avatar and the initials. Just wondering.

[Shadowlord X]

People said the same thing about Thor himself until his solo film was released, so I'm pretty sure they could undergo a similar makeover for their appearance in a Thor film.

Really? I was never worried about adapting THOR. I always thought CAPTAIN AMERICA would be the most difficult.

[Donut]

Loki is still Thor's brother, and I'm certain that Thor still loves him so.

Does Thor ever understand why Loki went nuts yet ? He never even found out in his own movie. Does no one but Anthony Hopkins & Loki know that Loki is a Frost Giant ?

[Shadowlord X]

I dunno, i feel like part of the brilliance of the MCU is the fact that for the most part they are remaining true to the look and feel of the books..which lends to more freedom when introducing less realistic looking/feeling characters. The suspension of disbelief is easier accepted with each new addition to the universe. Whether it be something small like hulk talking or something big like other realms, thanos(maybe), & aliens flying on dragons.

Agreed! Let's hope so. I really want to see the SERPENT SOCIETY some day soon.

[Polux]

Completely unrelated (maybe); but after seeing Tony tell Cap "You're a lab experiment, at best, Rogers!", I just can't get outta my head an image of the same argument between him and the other guys and I always picture Thor saying something to Tony and him replying "Go back to Fantasy-land, Van Halen!"...I dunno...maybe silly...I just can perfectly see it in my head... :awesome:

Also, I want to see the big 3 drinking...like, right after a very tense situation or whatever, Tony's pouring himself a drink, Cap comes along and Tony's like "Want one? Oh, sorry, forgot about the whole boy-scout thing;milk perhaps?"; Cap, knowing he can't get drunk due to his metabolism just smirks and starts drinking with him, as to give Tony a lesson, then Thor comes along and is like "You puny mortals thing you can drink?"; obviously, the only one who would get wasted would be Tony, and I think it would be hilarious... :awesome:

Whedon could totally pull off such a scene...

Sorry about the lameness, just needed to get that outta my head..

Polux

[Guerrilla]

Agreed! Let's hope so. I really want to see the SERPENT SOCIETY some day soon.

Wow! Its crazy that you brought this up! I was just reading about this on wikipedia. Yeah, i would like to see this play out...serpent society has to do with the fear itself storyline right?

[DoomsdayApex]

Does Thor ever understand why Loki went nuts yet ? He never even found out in his own movie. Does no one but Anthony Hopkins & Loki know that Loki is a Frost Giant ?

I don't think so. Granted, I haven't seen Thor since the release but I don't remember Loki explaining to Thor of all the reasons why he took the actions he took against the family. Hopefully, Whedon ventures deeper into Loki's-Thor's interactions, especially after Loki is defeated.

[Weadazoid]

I wonder why Banner meeting Cap is such a powerful looking moment in the trailers


as someone else mentioned it would be very cool if Banner thought Caps past was the key to his future


obsession with the SSS formula.



Perhaps, Banner will say something like... "to see Erskines success, here in the flesh.... is just amazing"

[captainrogers]

I wonder why Banner meeting Cap is such a powerful looking moment in the trailers


as someone else mentioned it would be very cool if Banner thought Caps past was the key to his future


obsession with the SSS formula.



Perhaps, Banner will say something like... "to see Erskines success, here in the flesh.... is just amazing"

That's a great point. In Hulk, Cap possibly sees an example of results of the time he was in ice of the world trying to replicate him. much like the Skull, it was met with a less than desireable outcome, but Banner perseveres.
Banner, on the other hand sees Cap as the 'holy grail' of what could have been. Steve being the very definition of the STABLE and DESIRED change/transformation.
There did seem to be a lot of poignancy to that short clip of the two meeting. I'm assuming Banner already knows of Cap. (him being a somewhat public figure in Marvel WW2) and Cap may have read the dossier on Banner before hand.

[wobbly]

According to TIH Banner knew nothing about the SS program. That was Ross' ultimate goal, and Banners work was to be used (unknown to him) as a part of it.

[BigThor]

Really? I was never worried about adapting THOR. I always thought CAPTAIN AMERICA would be the most difficult.

Nah Thor's whole universe as well as Thor himself are much more "out there" concepts than Captain America.

The only things I think were hard about adapting Cap is his outfit and his wholesome personalit without them seeming cheesy (which they did).

[jab1118]

According to TIH Banner knew nothing about the SS program. That was Ross' ultimate goal, and Banners work was to be used (unknown to him) as a part of it.

It never said he knew nothing about the SS program, just that he wasnt aware what he was working on was going to be used as a weapon. So he could still have known about Steve.

[xeno000]

According to TIH Banner knew nothing about the SS program. That was Ross' ultimate goal, and Banners work was to be used (unknown to him) as a part of it.


Fury and SHIELD would undoubtedly have filled Banner in on what Ross was doing before he met Steve. SHIELD has no love for Ross and his program, from what we saw in The Consultant.


If Ross turns up again, I would like to see him punished for all of the destruction he caused with his Super Soldier obsession. In the military, it only takes one black mark on an officer's record to end a career. Ross has dozens, including mass civilian casualties and millions of dollars in destruction. SHIELD has the goods on him.

[xeno000]

It never said he knew nothing about the SS program, just that he wasnt aware what he was working on was going to be used as a weapon. So he could still have known about Steve.


In TIH, Ross told Blonsky that Banner had absolutely no idea what he was really working on. Ross had told Banner that he was trying to find a way to make human beings immune to gamma radiation. He never let the scientist know that they had him working on recreating the Super Soldier Formula because Banner wasn't trusted.

[TacomaTruck90]

Fury and SHIELD would undoubtedly have filled Banner in on what Ross was doing before he met Steve. SHIELD has no love for Ross and his program, from what we saw in The Consultant.


If Ross turns up again, I would like to see him punished for all of the destruction he caused with his Super Soldier obsession. In the military, it only takes one black mark on an officer's record to end a career. Ross has dozens, including mass civilian casualties and millions of dollars in destruction. SHIELD has the goods on him.


If all the movies are connected..why wouldnt everyone one know who Captain America was ( with the exception of Thor/Loki) ..he was an icon of WWII in the Marvel world? ( right?)

[Son of Coul]

Reading back on that thread (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=335628) from when Whedon was first announced on the shortlist for Avengers directors. 'Tis funny. Will be even funnier if Avengers turns out to be as awesome as it looks.

[captainrogers]

It never said he knew nothing about the SS program, just that he wasnt aware what he was working on was going to be used as a weapon. So he could still have known about Steve.
That's what I was about to say. Thanks!
Also, if anything, I'm trying to find reason/ties Steve could have to the 'non-military' members of the group wherein they would bond enough to take orders from Steve. (assuming Cap does end up defacto leader in the film)
With Thor, he has the whole 'everything around me is foreign/strange' thing in common.
Also his fearlessness/selflessness in battle.
With Tony, theres the Howard Stark connection, and eventually Steve will come to realize there is a brave and heroic man in the armor much in the vein of Howard that Tony hides from himself, just as much as he does from others.
With Bruce, well I've already stated the possible connections. Also, he may have a more sympathetic slant towards the "beast" because of that. I'm REALLY hoping that "Hulk...SMASH!" line is true.

[jab1118]

Just because he didnt know he was working on something similar doesnt mean he wasnt aware that the program existed. The conversation between Ross and Blonsky implies that at the very least the existence of the program is kind of common knowledge. "You are aware that back in WW2 the military experimented....." And "Yeah Super Soldier" He talks to him like he should already kind of know about it.

[wobbly]

If all the movies are connected..why wouldnt everyone one know who Captain America was ( with the exception of Thor/Loki) ..he was an icon of WWII in the Marvel world? ( right?)

In WWII. In the modern day we don't know yet if the public are even aware he is back (they obviously will by the end of the film).

[sabetoonth]

Just because he didnt know he was working on something similar doesnt mean he wasnt aware that the program existed. The conversation between Ross and Blonsky implies that at the very least the existence of the program is kind of common knowledge. "You are aware that back in WW2 the military experimented....." And "Yeah Super Soldier" He talks to him like he should already kind of know about it.

Blonsky is also military, I would note

[wobbly]

Just because he didnt know he was working on something similar doesnt mean he wasnt aware that the program existed. The conversation between Ross and Blonsky implies that at the very least the existence of the program is kind of common knowledge. "You are aware that back in WW2 the military experimented....." And "Yeah Super Soldier" He talks to him like he should already kind of know about it.

That was not what he said: Ross started talking about the program, not asking about it, and Blonsky interrupted him. The way the conversation was presented did not imply the program was 'common' knowledge at all.

[sabetoonth]

That was not what he said: Ross started talking about the program, not asking about it, and Blonsky interrupted him. The way the conversation was presented did not imply the program was 'common' knowledge at all.
"In WW2 there was a biological troop enhancement program--" "Yea, Super Soldier." "Yes...an oversimplification but yes."

Something like that

[Rock Sexton]

"In WW2 there was a biological troop enhancement program--" "Yea, Super Soldier." "Yes...an oversimplification but yes."

Something like that

He doesn't say "Yea" .... he just says "Super Soldier" because he's putting two and two together from the description Ross gave him with "Biological troop enhancement" ..... I mean c'mon what else could that mean? Key word biological. Not only that, but Blonsky was on loaner from the Britistch Royal Marines. He wasn't around the SSR to have had any kind of previous knowledge.

[Rock Sexton]

It never said he knew nothing about the SS program, just that he wasnt aware what he was working on was going to be used as a weapon. So he could still have known about Steve.

What reason would he have for knowing about the SS program? He's just a scientist. Ross even mentioned that he's "not one of us" to Blonsky as in he's not a military man. Banner wouldn't have access to that kind of thing.

[flickchick85]

Reading back on that thread (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=335628) from when Whedon was first announced on the shortlist for Avengers directors. 'Tis funny. Will be even funnier if Avengers turns out to be as awesome as it looks.
OMG thanks for posting that. I can't believe that was two years ago! Also, I feel like my posts were better then than they are now. :( :oldrazz:

Also, in that thread I noticed Figs said he was gonna watch Buffy. He just showed up in the Buffy threads over the last few weeks talking about how he just got into it. Took ya long enough, Figs! :woot:

[jab1118]

He doesn't say "Yea" .... he just says "Super Soldier" because he's putting two and two together from the description Ross gave him with "Biological troop enhancement" ..... I mean c'mon what else could that mean? Key word biological. Not only that, but Blonsky was on loaner from the Britistch Royal Marines. He wasn't around the SSR to have had any kind of previous knowledge.

What reason would he have for knowing about the SS program? He's just a scientist. Ross even mentioned that he's "not one of us" to Blonsky as in he's not a military man. Banner wouldn't have access to that kind of thing.

"You are aware that that we have an infrantry weapons developement program, well in in WW2 they initiated a sub-program for biotech force enhancement" And Blonsky responds "Yeah Super Soldier" im watching it right now he definently says yeah. To me it comes off that he at least has some general knowledge of it.

[jab1118]

And the "Hes not one of us "lines is given as a reason for why he ran and didnt let the military use him.

Also Captain America was touring the country holding a motorcycle over his head. He was in newspapers after running through the streets of NY. There would be some general knowledge of the guy

[JB-the-Hunter]

OMG thanks for posting that. I can't believe that was two years ago! Also, I feel like my posts were better then than they are now. :( :oldrazz:

Also, in that thread I noticed Figs said he was gonna watch Buffy. He just showed up in the Buffy threads over the last few weeks talking about how he just got into it. Took ya long enough, Figs! :woot:

Iron_Stark was really against Whedon directing. I wonder how he feels now? And Ace_of_Knaves.

[Rock Sexton]

"You are aware that that we have an infrantry weapons developement program, well in in WW2 they initiated a sub-program for biotech force enhancement" And Blonsky responds "Yeah Super Soldier" im watching it right now he definently says yeah. To me it comes off that he at least has some general knowledge of it.

It's "A super soldier" .... I've watched the movie over 200 times, including about 2 hours ago. They even have it quoted that way on IMDB.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800080/quotes

Again, it doesn't take a genius to understand when someone tells you that they're working on "bio-force" research it's referencing making the body better .... which is why Ross stated "they're trying to arm you better. We're trying to make you better." Ross even re-buffed Blonsky's comment as an oversimplification because Blonsky was merely making an educated guess based on how Ross described the program.

[Rock Sexton]

And the "Hes not one of us "lines is given as a reason for why he ran and didnt let the military use him.

Also Captain America was touring the country holding a motorcycle over his head. He was in newspapers after running through the streets of NY. There would be some general knowledge of the guy

"He's not one of us" is as cut and dry as it gets .... Ross was very clear that Banner was just a scientist. Banner is not going to have privs to information about Steve Rogers and the experiment run on him.

You're also ssuming Banner's character was alive back then.

[jab1118]

It's "A super soldier" .... I've watched the movie over 200 times, including about 2 hours ago. They even have it quoted that way on IMDB.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800080/quotes

Again, it doesn't take a genius to understand when someone tells you that they're working on "bio-force" research it's referencing making the body better .... which is why Ross stated "they're trying to arm you better. We're trying to make you better." Ross even re-buffed Blonsky's comment as an oversimplification because Blonsky was merely making an educated guess based on how Ross described the program.

Still sounds like yeah to me but i guess you could be right. I DVRed off FX earlier and am watching the line over and over again. Regardless I feel like the scene still plays as if he has an Idea of what he was talking about

[jab1118]

"He's not one of us" is as cut and dry as it gets .... Ross was very clear that Banner was just a scientist. Banner is not going to have privs to information about Steve Rogers and the experiment run on him.

You're also ssuming Banner's character was alive back then.

My point is I feel like if you want everyone has access to the knowledge of who Steve Rogers is. Maybe not specifics but some general info. Also yeah Banner is a scientist working in the same general field. I dont think its a stretch to think that he would of researched it

[DyeLorean]

I've watched Iron Man last night and I caught a couple of details I didn't pay enough attention before this whole MCU. Tony mentions his father helping in the WWII earlier in the movie. There's also an article about Howard during the reel in the awards ceremony.
I also noticed how dated the "I don't wanna see this on your myspace page" sounds now.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Reading back on that thread (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=335628) from when Whedon was first announced on the shortlist for Avengers directors. 'Tis funny. Will be even funnier if Avengers turns out to be as awesome as it looks.

Thanks for posting this, reading Ace_of_Knaves endless tirade against Whedon is sort of amusing, especially since EVERY SINGLE ONE of his points/arguments have pretty much been proven wrong at this point.

[Spider-Fan]

I remember going back and forth with Ace on Whedon. Of course, we have so much more to go on now, but I am glad to have been proven right at this point :)

[Rock Sexton]

My point is I feel like if you want everyone has access to the knowledge of who Steve Rogers is. Maybe not specifics but some general info. Also yeah Banner is a scientist working in the same general field. I dont think its a stretch to think that he would of researched it

Banner was strictly a gamma specialist. The army isn't going to bring an outsider in and give him access to all the top secret stuff they've done. They'd want him to be working on what they hired him for. Why is it you think they kept the original experiment top secret for only those who needed to know? It's entirely compartmentalized.

[captainrogers]

Either way. I'm sure Banner gets Briefed or spun up on who this "Steve Rogers" person is before shaking hands with him on what I'm assuming is the Hellicarrier.

[Rock Sexton]

Either way. I'm sure Banner gets Briefed or spun up on who this "Steve Rogers" person is before shaking hands with him on what I'm assuming is the Hellicarrier.

Yeah, I'm guessing that as well .... perhaps as a way of wow'ing him as to the kind of company he's about to find himself in. After all, they're trying to get Banner to cooperate and aid their initiative, gotta sell him with sizzle LOL.

[EternalMaster]

Hahaha, Steve "Sizzle" Rogers. Good times.

[craigdbfan]

I remember hearing about a subplot with Banner being amazed with Rogers because he views him as a solution to get rid of Hulk. Seeing as he used a variation of the super soldier serum that went terribly wrong maybe by testing Rogers blood he might get closer to finally ridding himself of the Hulk.

Don't know if this was just postulating from someone or something that might actually be touched upon during the movie.

[Spider-Vader]

Now I would love to see the Wrecking Crew in a movie, but I wonder if they would be percieved as too cheesy or 'comicbooky' by todays audience.

I don't see them supporting their own movie, but if they're a bigger villains lackeys I can see them working.

[jaqua99]

Just because he didnt know he was working on something similar doesnt mean he wasnt aware that the program existed. The conversation between Ross and Blonsky implies that at the very least the existence of the program is kind of common knowledge. "You are aware that back in WW2 the military experimented....." And "Yeah Super Soldier" He talks to him like he should already kind of know about it.

Exactly. He said banner didnt whow what he was working on, not he didn't know what it was.

[jonathancrane]

I remember hearing about a subplot with Banner being amazed with Rogers because he views him as a solution to get rid of Hulk. Seeing as he used a variation of the super soldier serum that went terribly wrong maybe by testing Rogers blood he might get closer to finally ridding himself of the Hulk.



Ipod is acting up and will not alliw me to edit what I need...grr
That was the subplot in Ultimate Avengers...


It has precedent: it was the plot of Ultimate Avengers...
Don't know if this was just postulating from someone or something that might actually be touched upon during the movie.[/QUOTE]

[jaqua99]

Either way. I'm sure Banner gets Briefed or spun up on who this "Steve Rogers" person is before shaking hands with him on what I'm assuming is the Hellicarrier.

Wait, I was assuming Banner would know who Steve Rogers is. Just like we all know who, say, George Washington is. I thought Cap was an American hero, and that Steve Rogers was a house hold name?

[quara33]

I would assume that Banner, if he didn't know the origins of the serum before getting Hulkified, certainly did some research afterwards that would have led to finding out at least a little about Steve Rogers/Captain America.

What would interest me is Steve's reaction--at some level I'd imagine he'd be horrified that the serum Erskine developed had resulted in such dire effects for Banner--that the program Erskine started had become so twisted. I'd also imagine that Steve is more appreciative of Banner's innate 'goodness'--he's seen what an imperfect formula can do, so Banner's attempts to control Hulk and undo the formula would be rather noble in Steve's eyes.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Wait, I was assuming Banner would know who Steve Rogers is. Just like we all know who, say, George Washington is. I thought Cap was an American hero, and that Steve Rogers was a house hold name?
I think he's more of an icon than a hero to the general public. Very few people ever witnessed the battles he fought in, all they have to go by is the USO shows and comics.

[jaqua99]

I think he's more of an icon than a hero to the general public. Very few people ever witnessed the battles he fought in, all they have to go by is the USO shows and comics.

I meant in the MU, I thought he was kind of a house hold name, and that a lot of heroes looked up to captain rogers

[Capt.America518]

every marvel hero knows of captain america as an icon and hero.... he saved the world on multiple occasions during world war 2... he was the first super hero and worked along side jack fury and howard stark

[captainrogers]

every marvel hero knows of captain america as an icon and hero.... he saved the world on multiple occasions during world war 2... he was the first super hero and worked along side jack fury and howard stark

That's the Earth's Mightiest Heroes version of the character.
Movie Steve MIGHT be universally known as a WW2 icon. But there is no indication he ever met or worked with Nick (or any) Fury, prior to being defrosted.
Comic Steve on the other hand worked with Nick quite a bit in WW2.

[JB-the-Hunter]

The comics universe and movie universe are different. Probably only a select few people knew of Captain America as an actual soldier, like people in the military and politicians. The general public probably only knew him as the propaganda figure he was in the USO shows and comic books.

[jaqua99]

every marvel hero knows of captain america as an icon and hero.... he saved the world on multiple occasions during world war 2... he was the first super hero and worked along side jack fury and howard stark

Exactly, which is why I find it a little difficult to believe that Banner didn't know who Rogers is, even in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Ross said Banner didn't know what he was working on, he didn't say anything about Banner not knowing about the super soldier project, Ross' version of it, or Capt. Rogers for that matter.

[jaqua99]

The comics universe and movie universe are different. Probably only a select few people knew of Captain America as an actual soldier, like people in the military and politicians. The general public probably only knew him as the propaganda figure he was in the USO shows and comic books.

True, but we don't know how known Cap is, even in the film universe, because we haven't seen enough of him yet, and there hasn't been anything said about banner not knowing who cap is, so we will have to see.

[WildcatNC]

Wait, I was assuming Banner would know who Steve Rogers is. Just like we all know who, say, George Washington is. I thought Cap was an American hero, and that Steve Rogers was a house hold name?

I meant in the MU, I thought he was kind of a house hold name, and that a lot of heroes looked up to captain rogers

I agree with you. All these guys are gonna know who Cap is, except Thor. Banner may have run around with a painted garbage can lid when he was little.


As a personal story, when I was in grade school my friend and I would go into the coat room/supply closet and crush up colored chalk, mix it with water in test tubes and make Super Soldier Serum.

Good times, good times.....

[jaqua99]

I agree with you. All these guys are gonna know who Cap is, except Thor. Banner may have run around with a painted garbage can lid when he was little.


As a personal story, when I was in grade school my friend and I would go into the coat room/supply closet and crush up colored chalk, mix it with water in test tubes and make Super Soldier Serum.

Good times, good times.....

Hahah thats too funny lmao

[jaqua99]

So guys, this hasn't been talked about much, with Ferrigno taking part in basically every Hulk movie, do you think he can pull of the Hulk speaking voice well?? I personally love his screams in TIH

[Rock Sexton]

every marvel hero knows of captain america as an icon and hero.... he saved the world on multiple occasions during world war 2... he was the first super hero and worked along side jack fury and howard stark

That's in the comics.

This is the movie-verse.

[Scarecrow_King]

Plus, even if they know who Cap is, they may not know how he became Captain America.

[Rock Sexton]

I would assume that Banner, if he didn't know the origins of the serum before getting Hulkified, certainly did some research afterwards that would have led to finding out at least a little about Steve Rogers/Captain America.


Where would he go to "research"? You really think the fact that a soldier by the name of Steve Rogers was injected with a top secret serum would be declassified? Again logic please.

[Rock Sexton]

I remember hearing about a subplot with Banner being amazed with Rogers because he views him as a solution to get rid of Hulk. Seeing as he used a variation of the super soldier serum that went terribly wrong maybe by testing Rogers blood he might get closer to finally ridding himself of the Hulk.

Don't know if this was just postulating from someone or something that might actually be touched upon during the movie.

Whoever postulated that literally makes no sense.

[WildcatNC]

That's in the comics.

This is the movie-verse.

The only part of what he said that didn't happen in the movie verse is the Jack Fury part (as far as we know).

Going by the movie-verse and the amount of media exposure shown in CA:TFA its reasonable to assume he is a well known Iconic Hero in America. It may have waned a bit, but I suspect most have heard of him.

[Smashlilman]

That's in the comics.

This is the movie-verse.

It can be assumed that similar events happened during that 3 year span in the movie-verse. They only show a hand full of events through montages in The First Avenger. They left the door open for anything. If they wanted to they could place any type of story into that void.

[iGiFF]

This really got me excited, what do you think of this? Is this a possible loophole to get all the Marvel film characters owned by different studios into the MCU?

(Andrew) Wow, I can't believe this has never been mentioned as a possible loophole... we all know X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Fantastic Four and Ghost Rider can not be in the Marvel Cinematic Universe because there film rights are owned by different studios. But with some thinking, the television rights for these characters are still owned by Marvel Studios, right? So unless there is something I am missing, shouldn't Marvel Studios at least be able to do live action shows with these characters?


Per http://www.facebook.com/MarvelCinematicUniverse

[Wolvieboy17]

Interesting...

I always thought Marvel could do live action series tied into the MCU....

[captainrogers]

Whoever postulated that literally makes no sense.

It was a plot point from the Ultimate Avengers cartoon.
Interesting, but that movie was COMPLETELY derailed for me when Hulk lifted 'Ultimate' Mjolnir.
And as for the whole Jack Fury thing, as far as I know, he only ever worked with Steve in the EMH cartoon ( I guess in the absence of an Infinity Formula, Nick couldn't have been around in the war) I've onl ever seen a 'Jack' Fury mentioned in the comics as part of Nick's parentage.

[Rock Sexton]

It can be assumed that similar events happened during that 3 year span in the movie-verse. They only show a hand full of events through montages in The First Avenger. They left the door open for anything. If they wanted to they could place any type of story into that void.

It can? Perhaps for the purposes of relentless fanboyism-style dissection a movie that hasn't even been seen yet maybe. LOL. We've witnessed plenty of liberties taken to adjust known characters and plot points to fit the movieverse. Nothing is a given to remain exactly the same that is why you cannot assume it.

[Wolvieboy17]

Don't we already know that Rogers is a big iconic figure? He was documented in movies, doing stages shows, in newspapers.... You see kids playing Captain America in the street....


Clearly, he made some kind of impression on the American Public, to the point where someone would appreciate the significance of being able to meet him, 70 years after his disappearance.

[Rock Sexton]

Don't we already know that Rogers is a big iconic figure? He was documented in movies, doing stages shows, in newspapers.... You see kids playing Captain America in the street....


Clearly, he made some kind of impression on the American Public, to the point where someone would appreciate the significance of being able to meet him, 70 years after his disappearance.

The key is to those old enough to remember him.

[captainrogers]

Where would he go to "research"? You really think the fact that a soldier by the name of Steve Rogers was injected with a top secret serum would be declassified? Again logic please.

I agree with you on this one.
I don't think it would have been Declassified. I'll say 'Captain America' is known. Steve Rogers...not so much perhaps.
Of course there is that line of Stark's "A living legend who ACTUALLY lives up to that legend" (paraphrasing)

[WildcatNC]

The key is to those old enough to remember him.

I'm not old enough to remember Elvis or James Dean either but I know who they are and so do most of us.

I don't even understand your point. Makes no sense.

I agree with you about anyone knowing the specifics of his abilities and their source though. It would be classified.

[Smashlilman]

It can? Perhaps for the purposes of relentless fanboyism-style dissection a movie that hasn't even been seen yet maybe. LOL. We've witnessed plenty of liberties taken to adjust known characters and plot points to fit the movieverse. Nothing is a given to remain exactly the same that is why you cannot assume it.

I'm just saying that the director purposely left hat spot vague so that anything could have happened from that period. They wouldn't have to worry about future plot that involve Cap that reference events from WW2 contradicting the continuity of the first movie.

That has nothing to do with fanboyism. It more like they left the spot vague as to not step on there own toes.

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

In iron man 2, tony doesn't really bat an eye when it comes to seeing the a prototype shield. However Colson is in awe. Maybe Cap has already been unfrozen at this point yet he is being kept under wraps by SHIELD. You figured Howard would have told stories to Tony as a kid. I have a feeling Tony will find out a lot about why he's father was always busy. I'd bet Howard probably helped design the helicarrier.

[Rock Sexton]

I'm not old enough to remember Elvis or James Dean either but I know who they are and so do most of us.

I don't even understand your point. Makes no sense.

I agree with you about anyone knowing the specifics of his abilities and their source though. It would be classified.

I'm just drawing from personal experience. I'm a 33 year old male. My grandfather was a WWII vet who used to tell stories all the time. For the life of me I couldn't give you a great example of a soldier/general who might've been known from that time.

Alas that second part is what I'm talking about ..... I don't think we assume (if he's remembered) that people are aware of that fact that he was experimented on.

[Rock Sexton]

In iron man 2, tony doesn't really bat an eye when it comes to seeing the a prototype shield. However Colson is in awe. Maybe Cap has already been unfrozen at this point yet he is being kept under wraps by SHIELD. You figured Howard would have told stories to Tony as a kid. I have a feeling Tony will find out a lot about why he's father was always busy. I'd bet Howard probably helped design the helicarrier.

This. Especially after Coulson asked him how he got it, literally zero reaction from Stark. From what I gathered from the IM2 plot points, Howard didn't interact with his son a whole lot ..... he kept busy with his work and sent his son away to school.

You second point is what I too feel will happen in the movie. Fury will bridge the gap for Tony and it will also spark the initial animosity/tension ..... naturally I would think there would be some kind of jealousy there.

[WildcatNC]

I'm just drawing from personal experience. I'm a 33 year old male. My grandfather was a WWII vet who used to tell stories all the time. For the life of me I couldn't give you a great example of a soldier/general who might've been known from that time.

Alas that second part is what I'm talking about ..... I don't think we assume (if he's remembered) that people are aware of that fact that he was experimented on.

I'm 33 also.

You don't know who Patton, Rommel, and Hitler are?? In the comic and movie verse Cap is as well known as those guys.

I agree that most people probably wouldn't know he was experimented on. They would most surely know who he is though, even if they didn't know much detail.

[Rock Sexton]

You don't know who Patton, Rommel, and Hitler are?? In the comic and movie verse Cap is as well known as those guys.

I agree that most people probably wouldn't know he was experimented on. They would most surely know who he is though, even if they didn't know much detail.

Famous Nazi like Hitler is common sense yes .... obviously I would remember him. In reference to that question though, are you a history buff?

I see your point. I think the separation that needs to be made is that Cap perhaps might be remembered, but I'm not buying people know he was experimented on.

[captainrogers]

maybe in the movieverse Cap's become more of an Uncle Sam type figure.
Most people in the modern day, just think the guy was propaganda, and didn't really exist.

[Rock Sexton]

maybe in the movieverse Cap's become more of an Uncle Sam type figure.
Most people in the modern day, just think the guy was propaganda, and didn't really exist.

Makes sense. That's essentially what they did in the movie .... replace Uncle Sam with Captain America.

[WildcatNC]

Famous Nazi like Hitler is common sense yes .... obviously I would remember him. In reference to that question though, are you a history buff?

I see your point. I think the separation that needs to be made is that Cap perhaps might be remembered, but I'm not buying people know he was experimented on.

I am a history buff. Everyone I know at least knows who most of those famous historical figures are from that day though.

I agree with you about the bolded. I don't think many would know about that.

[quara33]

I'm just drawing from personal experience. I'm a 33 year old male. My grandfather was a WWII vet who used to tell stories all the time. For the life of me I couldn't give you a great example of a soldier/general who might've been known from that time.

Alas that second part is what I'm talking about ..... I don't think we assume (if he's remembered) that people are aware of that fact that he was experimented on.

heh, I'm 32 and my best friend's great-grandfather was a palace guard for the Romanovs. He was constantly telling us stories about how creepy Rasputin was. He was always very sad when anyone talked about Anastasia surviving the coup, which we didn't understand until much, much later.

I think the second point is tricky, but who wouldn't tell the story about how Captain America was once a weakling that got beaten up every other week? (and Steve Rogers = Captain America would've been known because he was awarded a medal for the rescue of the Howling Commandos). Famous people are remembered by their neighbors a lot more easily than regular Joes, especially if the 'hometown stories' conflict with the public perception.

[darkslayer101]

tumblr is so hilarious
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m07h7afe6C1qdfs7xo1_500.gif

[Rock Sexton]

I think the second point is tricky, but who wouldn't tell the story about how Captain America was once a weakling that got beaten up every other week? (and Steve Rogers = Captain America would've been known because he was awarded a medal for the rescue of the Howling Commandos). Famous people are remembered by their neighbors a lot more easily than regular Joes, especially if the 'hometown stories' conflict with the public perception.

You're assuming the army would publicize the fact that some weakling, unknown was injected with a top secret serum they created. Remember Steve really didn't have anyone in his life other than Bucky and he's been missing or presumed dead .... both of his parents were dead, etc. etc.

[WildcatNC]

heh, I'm 32 and my best friend's great-grandfather was a palace guard for the Romanovs. He was constantly telling us stories about how creepy Rasputin was. He was always very sad when anyone talked about Anastasia surviving the coup, which we didn't understand until much, much later.

I think the second point is tricky, but who wouldn't tell the story about how Captain America was once a weakling that got beaten up every other week? (and Steve Rogers = Captain America would've been known because he was awarded a medal for the rescue of the Howling Commandos). Famous people are remembered by their neighbors a lot more easily than regular Joes, especially if the 'hometown stories' conflict with the public perception.

Thats awesome. It would be incredible to get to hear those stories first hand. Rasputin is a fascinating figure.

[WildcatNC]

maybe in the movieverse Cap's become more of an Uncle Sam type figure.
Most people in the modern day, just think the guy was propaganda, and didn't really exist.

Nah, that wouldn't make any sense at all.

There was actual movies made of him, bonds tours, etc. It would be like someone saying Elvis or Marilyn Monroe were not real.

[Rock Sexton]

Nah, that wouldn't make any sense at all.

There was actual movies made of him, bonds tours, etc. It would be like someone saying Elvis or Marilyn Monroe were not real.

They had Uncle Sam propaganda much the same except he was based on a man who worked in a meat packing plant.

http://news.discovery.com/videos/history-uncle-sam-who-was-he.html

[quara33]

You're assuming the army would publicize the fact that some weakling, unknown was injected with a top secret serum they created. Remember Steve really didn't have anyone in his life other than Bucky and he's been missing or presumed dead .... both of his parents were dead, etc. etc.

No, Im just saying that anyone from Steve's neighborhood would see the coverage of Steve and note that he was no longer a 90 pound weakling. At the time they may have thought that he'd grown up well, but someone like Banner might make the leap. The Army wouldn't publicize the transformation at all, but some dude from Steve's neighborhood is bound to boast "hey, remember when I beat up Captain America?"

Just because Bucky and his parents are gone doesn't mean noone would remember him. What about the bullies that beat him up? Or the other kids at his school? HIs teachers? I mean, if you go to school with someone who becomes famous, you tend to remember him.

Thats awesome. It would be incredible to get to hear those stories first hand. Rasputin is a fascinating figure.

Mostly it was traumatizing :)

I distinctly remember asking my mom to check the closet to make sure Rasputin wasn't lurking in there.

I was not amused when she thought it was hilarious.

[WildcatNC]

No, Im just saying that anyone from Steve's neighborhood would see the coverage of Steve and note that he was no longer a 90 pound weakling. At the time they may have thought that he'd grown up well, but someone like Banner might make the leap. The Army wouldn't publicize the transformation at all, but some dude from Steve's neighborhood is bound to boast "hey, remember when I beat up Captain America?"

Just because Bucky and his parents are gone doesn't mean noone would remember him. What about the bullies that beat him up? Or the other kids at his school? HIs teachers? I mean, if you go to school with someone who becomes famous, you tend to remember him.



Mostly it was traumatizing :)

I distinctly remember asking my mom to check the closet to make sure Rasputin wasn't lurking in there.

I was not amused when she thought it was hilarious.


You were right to be afraid. Maybe he was powerful in the occult like they say......:o

[Rock Sexton]

No, Im just saying that anyone from Steve's neighborhood would see the coverage of Steve and note that he was no longer a 90 pound weakling. At the time they may have thought that he'd grown up well, but someone like Banner might make the leap. The Army wouldn't publicize the transformation at all, but some dude from Steve's neighborhood is bound to boast "hey, remember when I beat up Captain America?"

Just because Bucky and his parents are gone doesn't mean noone would remember him. What about the bullies that beat him up? Or the other kids at his school? HIs teachers? I mean, if you go to school with someone who becomes famous, you tend to remember him.


Banner might make what leap? He might suddenly go and talk to some people who were Rogers' neighbors back in the 1940's?

The way CA:TFA depicted Steve was that he was a relatively lonely and obscure man prior to his transformation .... a "forgettable" person who was commonly dismissed.

Regardless I'm not quite understanding how you can stretch those kinds of people remembering him as a reason the entire country would know it's "Steve Rogers former little squirt" as opposed to just the broad-based "Captain America".

[liveman789]

Hey everyone, came across this interesting video of Hulk vs Superman

http://youtu.be/BbizTBYs-rQ

[cherokeesam]

Nah, that wouldn't make any sense at all.

There was actual movies made of him, bonds tours, etc. It would be like someone saying Elvis or Marilyn Monroe were not real.


Exactly.
Cap is an icon in the MCU. The movies and propaganda were widespread to the general public. Sure, you'll have your tinfoil hat conspiracy loons who might say it was all faked --- they're the same ones who say the Moon Landing was a hoax, too. But to the vast majority of humanity, Cap will be instantly recognizable; and once they see him in action against the alien invaders, they'll know he's the real deal, and that he's living history come back from "the dead" after 70+ years.

[Infinity9999x]

I also don't see any reason the government wouldn't have reavealed it was Steve Rodgers. As far as they knew he was MIA, most likely dead and never coming back. His family (if he has any) wouldn't be in any form of threat considering they had nothing to do with the SS serum. So I don't see a reason to not tell the public that Steve Rodgers was Captain America.

[Smashlilman]

Famous Nazi like Hitler is common sense yes .... obviously I would remember him. In reference to that question though, are you a history buff?

I see your point. I think the separation that needs to be made is that Cap perhaps might be remembered, but I'm not buying people know he was experimented on.

When the Super Solider project was finished and Abraham Erskine was shot and killed. Steve Rogers chased the killer down and save that kid. After that the Super Solider project story went public in the papers.

[quara33]

Banner might make what leap? He might suddenly go and talk to some people who were Roger's neighbors back in the 1940's?

The way CA:TFA depicted Steve was that he was a relatively lonely and obscure man prior to his transformation .... a "forgettable" person.

Regardless I'm not quite understanding how you can stretch those kinds of people remembering him as a reason the entire country would know it's "Steve Rogers former little squirt" as opposed to "Captain America".

Actually, my problem is why wouldn't the entire country know Rogers had been a little squirt? He was a major popular figure, so I'd expect there to have been interviews with his neighbors, etc. Certainly if it were in the modern era, there would have been a whole Dateline special (look at the coverage of Jessica Lynch, for example). Different era, I guess :yay:

As for Banner, I think Banner would have looked into any and all possible evidence of past military biological experiments for clues as to what happened to him. I don't know how the MCU's Captain America Comics approach it, but if they mention "super soldier" it'd come up on a fairly easy google search ('military experiment strength serum' for example). THen if he figured out it was based on a real guy--I think Banner would be intrigued enough to look up a few old neighbors. Then, if a story of puny!Steve came out, he might make the leap that it was the result of an experiment.

...anyway, it's just a theory. Frankly, I think Banner would've just hacked the Pentagon and found out that way. Or gone to wikileaks :woot:

[liveman789]

This is what I speculate:

I bet Fury goes to Stark Tower to see Stark, and then Iron Man shows up and assumes he's trying to recruit him for the Avengers (snippet from trailer). But it turns out he's just there to let him know they found Steve Rogers who has a close connection to his father, Howard Stark. Tony brushes it off and declines meeting him.

Eventually Steve flies with Shield and goes to Germany to stop Loki, and just when Loki seems to have the upper hand, Iron Man comes in and saves the day (assuming he saw the events in Germany on the news). Loki is taken captive, and Steve and Tony formally meet on the jet ride back to NYC.

Then Thor flies onto the top of the Quinjet because he knows Loki is held captive inside. They land the Quinjet ASAP and then the forrest fight of Thor versus Captain America and Iron man occurs.

[Rock Sexton]

When the Super Solider project was finished and Abraham Erskine was shot and killed. Steve Rogers chased the killer down and save that kid. After that the Super Solider project story went public in the papers.

You read the papers? It stated that Ernskine was working on a top secret military bio-force enhancement for soldiers? :huh:

Apparently you've never witness how the government and military handle top secret matters.

[Rock Sexton]

Actually, my problem is why wouldn't the entire country know Rogers had been a little squirt? He was a major popular figure, so I'd expect there to have been interviews with his neighbors, etc. Certainly if it were in the modern era, there would have been a whole Dateline special (look at the coverage of Jessica Lynch, for example). Different era, I guess :yay:

Quite the opposite. With interviews you'd get people digging around. They'd start to ask questions how a scrawny man turned into a buffed super soldier overnight. It would raise a ton of questions.

Look he was an established piece of propaganda. When he went rogue it was on his own terms. Remember in the film after he took down the Red Skull it doesn't say "Captain America saves the world" ..... it just was a shot of a paper saying the Nazi's were defeated. The kids carrying the shield are not a surprise, again Captain America was a symbol of the country like Uncle Sam. We won the war so kids are going to want to be like Captain America.

As for Banner, I think Banner would have looked into any and all possible evidence of past military biological experiments for clues as to what happened to him. I don't know how the MCU's Captain America Comics approach it, but if they mention "super soldier" it'd come up on a fairly easy google search ('military experiment strength serum' for example). THen if he figured out it was based on a real guy--I think Banner would be intrigued enough to look up a few old neighbors. Then, if a story of puny!Steve came out, he might make the leap that it was the result of an experiment.

...anyway, it's just a theory. Frankly, I think Banner would've just hacked the Pentagon and found out that way. Or gone to wikileaks :woot:

See this right here .... this is the kind of fanboy thing I'm referring. Banner was hired to test gamma radiation. Why would he even think to investigate Steve Rogers? How would he know Steve Rogers was Captain America? You don't think they assign levels of access to various people trying to look something up in a military database?

[BigThor]

Exactly.
Cap is an icon in the MCU. The movies and propaganda were widespread to the general public. Sure, you'll have your tinfoil hat conspiracy loons who might say it was all faked --- they're the same ones who say the Moon Landing was a hoax, too. But to the vast majority of humanity, Cap will be instantly recognizable; and once they see him in action against the alien invaders, they'll know he's the real deal, and that he's living history come back from "the dead" after 70+ years.

I agree with both of you, because with all the propaganda, comic books, and news clips I wouldn't be suprised if kids in the MCU learned about him in their history classes.

tumblr is so hilarious
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m07h7afe6C1qdfs7xo1_500.gif

I watched THOR again for the 24th time the day before the 2nd trailer was released, I still "lol" at the poptart line in the diner.

[liveman789]

I watched THOR again for the 24th time the day before the 2nd trailer was released, I still "lol" at the poptart line in the diner.

Yeah out of the 5 prequels to The Avengers, Thor has to be the one I liked the most overall. Partly due to it's humor. Other than RDJ as Tony Stark, none of the other 4 had too much humor. Stark's ego and Thor's ignorance make for great comedy.

My favorite "funny" scene in Thor is definitely the pet shop one, "Then give me one of those large enough to ride." All I picture is Thor riding a giant kitten HAHA.

[quara33]

You were right to be afraid. Maybe he was powerful in the occult like they say......:o

Heh, my friend and I still end our phone calls with "goodnight, sleep tight, don't let Rasputin bite"

Her great Grandfather was a bit skeptical of the 'occult magic' thing--he believed that if you bought into it, it gave it power over you, so you had to choose what you believed in very, very carefully.

[BigThor]

Yeah out of the 5 prequels to The Avengers, Thor has to be the one I liked the most overall. Partly due to it's humor. Other than RDJ as Tony Stark, none of the other 4 had too much humor. Stark's ego and Thor's ignorance make for great comedy.

My favorite "funny" scene in Thor is definitely the pet shop one, "Then give me one of those large enough to ride." All I picture is Thor riding a giant kitten HAHA.

Yeah I appreciated the comedy in Thor, but you know how much fan boys are "Omg teh film was filled with oh look how modern I am jokes" when in actuality there was a relatively decent amount.

[craigdbfan]

Meow, meow? What's a meow meow?

That line made me laugh. :funny:

Some really funny moments in Thor.

[liveman789]

Yeah I appreciated the comedy in Thor, but you know how much fan boys are "Omg teh film was filled with oh look how modern I am jokes" when in actuality there was a relatively decent amount.

Yeah well those jokes I admit were silly but it didn't ruin anything for me, the best comedy came from Thor himself.

Another criticism that I thought was a bit over the top was that people thought Shield letting him go made Shield look like a stupid organization. The point of that was to have Shield men follow him and see what he's up to. Though I suppose them not recognizing a fake ID was a bit silly.

The only big criticism I had with Thor was that the Destroyer was destroyed was too easily.

[BigThor]

Meow, meow? What's a meow meow?

That line made me laugh. :funny:

Some really funny moments in Thor.

Yeah Kat Dennings was actually funny and not annoying in the least, that's probably dude to the fact that she was given just the right amount of screentime.

[warhorse78]

Yeah Kat Dennings was actually funny and not annoying in the least, that's probably dude to the fact that she was given just the right amount of screentime.

That was the chick that tazed him, right?

[craigdbfan]

Yeah Kat Dennings was actually funny and not annoying in the least, that's probably dude to the fact that she was given just the right amount of screentime.

I found her to be very likeable in the movie. Her lines were delivered quite naturally and that's why they worked so well.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Kat Dennings has always been a joy. I became a fan after I saw her in Nick & Norah

[Lady Marion]

Yeah out of the 5 prequels to The Avengers, Thor has to be the one I liked the most overall. Partly due to it's humor. Other than RDJ as Tony Stark, none of the other 4 had too much humor. Stark's ego and Thor's ignorance make for great comedy.

My favorite "funny" scene in Thor is definitely the pet shop one, "Then give me one of those large enough to ride." All I picture is Thor riding a giant kitten HAHA.

I borrowed this from the Thor board:



http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/11/80/76/67/01_cha14.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2121&u=11807667)


I love the whole "I need a horse" scene. How Hemsworth act with a deadly serious look at his face. I always wonder if they had to repeat this scene without laughing :cwink:

[liveman789]

^HAHAHAHA wow I guess I wasn't the only one who pictured that. Makes sense lol.

[Hawkingbird]

Anybody know what to search tags on tumblr to get the funny stuff :')?

[BigThor]

That was the chick that tazed him, right?

Yep that was her, the dark haired brunette who was Jane Foster's intern.

I found her to be very likeable in the movie. Her lines were delivered quite naturally and that's why they worked so well.

I felt the same way, too bad there's comic book fans out there that get uptight whenever there's comedy in superhero film.