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[Jordanstine]

I just want Thor with chain mail legging like his arms and in the comic books, rather than just striped pants.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/34626/1447472-thor.jpg

[Drummerdude7]

Thread manager!!!!!!!

[Dark Raven]

I don't like Thor with the chain mail leggings. I actually prefer the bare arms look that he has in the classic 616 and also in part of the Avengers movie.

[ThePowerCosmic]

I just want Thor with chain mail legging like his arms and in the comic books, rather than just striped pants.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/34626/1447472-thor.jpg

AGREED! :awesome::up:

[Captain Marvel]

I've had the same thought myself. He'd look so much better if they ditched the pants and gave him the mail armored leggings instead. That outfit's way too dark and could use some shiny metal armor on his legs to break it up a bit.

http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/thor1covers/Thor01CvrCoipel.jpg

[marvel_freshman]

Repost in case anyone missed them:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-216-Captain-America-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMg==/$(KGrHqZ,!nQE8YsZeeeiBPUOyzbS9w~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-196-Steve-Rogers-/00/s/NDgzWDMzMg==/$(KGrHqZ,!o!E8VjvRVdbBPUO)2EJmQ~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgzWDMzMg==/$(KGrHqJ,!jQE9Nl0y-tIBPUOyfY7Og~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-212-Tony-Stark-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMg==/$(KGrHqJ,!qME88f7YdJFBPUOyd5o(g~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-211-Agent-Coulson-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMw==/$(KGrHqZHJBgE8ey95BjQBPUOyfoKi!~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-206-Steve-Rogers-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMg==/$(KGrHqF,!pEE8WR)eYBwBPUOyHu)Hw~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-200-Maria-Hill-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMg==/$(KGrHqV,!ksE8OsZTsYEBPUOyBtP4w~~60_12.JPGhttp://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7019/529295295.jpghttp://img703.imageshack.us/img703/866/529292665.jpghttp://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2290/tumblrm09pm5ee6b1qe8633.jpg

[ThePowerCosmic]

I've had the same thought myself. He'd look so much better if they ditched the pants and gave him the mail armored leggings instead. That outfit's way too dark and could use some shiny metal armor on his legs to break it up a bit.

http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/thor1covers/Thor01CvrCoipel.jpg

Heck yes... jeez, you guys would've been very useful when I brought this up a few weeks ago.

[The Infernal]

Thanks for the update Freshman. Did I miss anything else from the last thread?

[marvel_freshman]

@The Infernal No prob, that's all that has been revealed so far that're new.

EDIT: There's these. Not quite new though.
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-221-Hawkeye-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMQ==/$(KGrHqV,!r!E88gToO!zBPUOzCSu,g~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-218-Captain-America-/00/s/NDgzWDMzMg==/$(KGrHqZ,!iIE8LNufJV7BPUOy5LbD!~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-217-Black-Widow-/00/s/NDgzWDMzMg==/$(KGrHqF,!hME9ELeOV1dBPUOy1h+s!~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-194-Nick-Fury-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMg==/$(KGrHqJ,!qME88f7YdJFBPUO)vphMw~~60_12.JPG

[Chewy]

The mail leggings would look beyond horrible on a real person

[DyeLorean]

LOL the scores in those cards make absolutely no sense

[Jordanstine]

Repost in case anyone missed them:

Nice!

I love collecting cards!

I even made a little Marvel Heroes poster-like cards collage back then of over 100+ Marvel Super Heroes.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3755/unitedheroesofmarveluni.jpg

[sabetoonth]

See I am of the other side of that map on Thor wearing chainmail, I think it would look stupid/silly, and I never much liked they way it looked in the comics either

[The Infernal]

Cool. Cobie Smulders looks good as Maria Hill. Hope she has an important part to play (in this film and the sequels). Although I can't help but feel that maybe the SHIELD uniforms should be more like the comic with some more prominent SHIELD logos and slightly more vibrant colours. Looks a little plain here, but still won't really know how good they look on screen until we see the finished movie.

[Dark Raven]

See I am of the other side of that map on Thor wearing chainmail, I think it would look stupid/silly, and I never much liked they way it looked in the comics either

Same here. I prefer his classic 616 look to be honest.

[marcvader]

Same here. Hate metal leggings.

[C. Lee]

Nice!

I love collecting cards!

I even made a little Marvel Heroes poster-like cards collage back then of over 100+ Marvel Super Heroes.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3755/unitedheroesofmarveluni.jpg

That's nice. I have hundreds of non sports cards collected over the years too. Haven't tried making anything like that though, I just have them in either notebooks or separate little boxes.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgzWDMzMg==/$(KGrHqJ,!jQE9Nl0y-tIBPUOyfY7Og~~60_12.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-200-Maria-Hill-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMg==/$(KGrHqV,!ksE8OsZTsYEBPUOyBtP4w~~60_12.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-211-Agent-Coulson-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMw==/$(KGrHqZHJBgE8ey95BjQBPUOyfoKi!~~60_12.JPG

What?! Maria Hill and Agent Coulson are weaker than Selvic?

[Caboose]

And how do you all know it would look ridiculous on his legs? We've never seen an attempt at it so how could you know?

[marcvader]

Hate it in the comics too.

[marvel_freshman]

Minor update for the Loki pics http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3044/tumblrm09mr84d1m1qj2fpv.jpghttp://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3044/tumblrm09mr84d1m1qj2fpv.jpg

[Nathan]

Doesn't Loki wear metal leggings?

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/7743/avengersthorlokireelz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/avengersthorlokireelz2.jpg/)

[Raiden]

@The Infernal No prob, that's all that has been revealed so far that're new.

EDIT: There's these. Not quite new though.
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-221-Hawkeye-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMQ==/$(KGrHqV,!r!E88gToO!zBPUOzCSu,g~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-218-Captain-America-/00/s/NDgzWDMzMg==/$(KGrHqZ,!iIE8LNufJV7BPUOy5LbD!~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-217-Black-Widow-/00/s/NDgzWDMzMg==/$(KGrHqF,!hME9ELeOV1dBPUOy1h+s!~~60_12.JPGhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/Marvel-Hero-Attax-Series-2-Avengers-Movie-Card-194-Nick-Fury-/00/s/NDg0WDMzMg==/$(KGrHqJ,!qME88f7YdJFBPUO)vphMw~~60_12.JPG

Sorry, I didn't catch the news when they were available. Are those cards for a new card game featuring the Avengers?

[Chewy]

Doesn't Loki wear metal leggings?
Just stripes along the sides, I think. And they're mostly covered by his cloak

[Drummerdude7]

Doesn't Loki wear metal leggings?

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/7743/avengersthorlokireelz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/avengersthorlokireelz2.jpg/)

Thor looks pissed haha

[Disney Man]

Nice!

I love collecting cards!

I even made a little Marvel Heroes poster-like cards collage back then of over 100+ Marvel Super Heroes.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3755/unitedheroesofmarveluni.jpg

Thats cool! I can spend a good hour trying to name them all.

[Crimson King]

When Transformers came out, they released cards like this. I think Bumblebee had a stealth rating of 100, or something crazy like that. Those numbers are arbitrary.

[Disney Man]

Dont know how I feel about chain mail leggings. I like the comicbook look but I think Chris's costume works right now.

I just wish they used bigger rounder discs on his chest.

[Raiden]

I don't think the metal leggings would look good in action, even though they are okay for comics. I'm fine the way movie Thor is designed, although I wish they'd let him wear his helmet occasionally.

[Quasimod0]

Its pretty hilarious that selvig's stats are up there with the big dogs. :p

[chiefchirpa]

Nice!

I love collecting cards!

I even made a little Marvel Heroes poster-like cards collage back then of over 100+ Marvel Super Heroes.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3755/unitedheroesofmarveluni.jpg

This is one of the reasons why Marvel is winning. They have so many heroes to choose for movie inspirations.

[Raiden]

This is one of the reasons why Marvel is winning. They have so many heroes to choose for movie inspirations.

Marvel is also more willing to take chances. Before IM, I'd say he was a popular Marvel superhero but didn't have any household recognition, and now look at him. Even casual moviegoers know who IM and Tony Stark are even if they never read a comic book.

[protocida]

This is one of the reasons why Marvel is winning. They have so many heroes to choose for movie inspirations.
Only a handful of these could be used in a movie.

I mean, I don't see anyone excited to see the thrilling cinematic debut of Dazzler or the Rawhide Kid.

[Stringer]

Meh, most of those characters aren't movie quality. Not ever comicbook character needs to have a movie.

[chiefchirpa]

Only a handful of these could be used in a movie.

I mean, I don't see anyone excited to see the thrilling cinematic debut of Dazzler or the Rawhide Kid.

Not a loss when there are still Nova, Dr Strange, Hercules, Moon Knight, and heck Blue Marvel got the chance.

[chiefchirpa]

Meh, most of those characters aren't movie quality. Not ever comicbook character needs to have a movie.

But a handful of them still do.

And who says that the movie version need to meet the same fate as the comic version - Blade anyone?

[ThePowerCosmic]

And how do you all know it would look ridiculous on his legs? We've never seen an attempt at it so how could you know?

:up::up:

[Stringer]

The landscape has changed since Blade. I'm sorry but I'm not interested in a Moon Knight or Nova movie.

[chiefchirpa]

The landscape has changed since Blade. I'm sorry but I'm not interested in a Moon Knight or Nova movie.

Curious, what are you interested in?

[Raiden]

The landscape has changed since Blade. I'm sorry but I'm not interested in a Moon Knight or Nova movie.

I think Nova has potential because it'd be a superhero movie set in space, like GL was supposed to be (but failed). Moon Knight just seems like a poor man's Batman.

[T"Challa]

I've been saying forever that Luke Cage and Iron Fist (Heroes for Hire) could not be more perfect for a TV show. the entire concept of that teamup is begging for a tv series.

[Disney Man]

I think Nova has potential because it'd be a superhero movie set in space, like GL was supposed to be (but failed). Moon Knight just seems like a poor man's Batman.
That's not stopping Mark Millar from trying to make a Nemesis movie.

Crazy Moon Knight could work.

[Disney Man]

Doesn't Loki wear metal leggings?

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/7743/avengersthorlokireelz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/avengersthorlokireelz2.jpg/)
I wish Thor's discs were bigger and more pronounced.

[JB-the-Hunter]

If you guys doubted Jordanstine at all before, I wouldn't anymore since his source described the leviathan as worm-like with metallic skin which is exactly what it looks like.

I'm guessing we can expect all of this info to be true then as well:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=22485715&highlight=#post22485715

[Disney Man]

I think Nova has potential because it'd be a superhero movie set in space, like GL was supposed to be (but failed). Moon Knight just seems like a poor man's Batman.
If Thanos is going to be a part of the Avengers, then Marvel Studios needs to have make a Nova film, Captain Marvel film, Guardians of the Galaxy film, and make that the next phase after the Avengers.

[RaZaTrOn]

http://www.myvue.com/latest-movies/info/cinema/doncaster/film/the-avengers-3d

Anybody seen this?

Runtime = 150 minutes apparently

[protocida]

Not a loss when there are still Nova, Dr Strange, Hercules, Moon Knight, and heck Blue Marvel got the chance.
Nova is kind of a blatant Green Lantern rip-off, but could work.

Doctor Strange, sure.

Hercules I don't see it. MAYBE in a Thor sequel.

Moon Knight is a Batman rip-off, but could work, if they use the certain elements.

Blue Marvel is VERY obscure, and sounds a bit like Black Lightning, but would be a nice Made-for-TV movie or TV show. I don't see it as a motion picture.

[herolee10]

If you guys doubted Jordanstine at all before, I wouldn't anymore since his source described the leviathan as worm-like with metallic skin which is exactly what it looks like.

I'm guessing we can expect all of this info to be true then as well:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=22485715&highlight=#post22485715


Looks like it might be the case, though I’m hoping that the part where he said that the aliens aren’t ever really properly introduced is inaccurate since it would kind of suck if the alien army just conveniently show up from the portal with none of their backstory even given at the slightest other than them working for Loki as though they were drones.

[Disney Man]

Nova is kind of a blatant Green Lantern rip-off, but could work.

Doctor Strange, sure.

Hercules I don't see it. MAYBE in a Thor sequel.

Moon Knight is a Batman rip-off, but could work, if they use the certain elements.

Blue Marvel is VERY obscure, and sounds a bit like Black Lightning, but would be a nice Made-for-TV movie or TV show. I don't see it as a motion picture.
How about Namor?

He's been asking for a movie now with so many references that he could be in Cap, now IM3.

[Disney Man]

http://www.myvue.com/latest-movies/info/cinema/doncaster/film/the-avengers-3d

Anybody seen this?

Runtime = 150 minutes apparently
That's 2 1/2 hours! Hope its true! If thats the case then Marvel didnt cut a lot during the prescreen. Good to be true.

[Dark Raven]

http://www.myvue.com/latest-movies/info/cinema/doncaster/film/the-avengers-3d

Anybody seen this?

Runtime = 150 minutes apparently

I hope that is the case, although I wouldn't mind a 3 hour epic!

[Rock Sexton]

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2290/tumblrm09pm5ee6b1qe8633.jpg

I like what they did with his helmet this time around. Reminds me a lot more of this .....

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/5/5d/Loki_Laufeyson_(Earth-616)_0003.jpg

[Smashlilman]

Nova is kind of a blatant Green Lantern rip-off, but could work.

Doctor Strange, sure.

Hercules I don't see it. MAYBE in a Thor sequel.

Moon Knight is a Batman rip-off, but could work, if they use the certain elements.

Blue Marvel is VERY obscure, and sounds a bit like Black Lightning, but would be a nice Made-for-TV movie or TV show. I don't see it as a motion picture.

Hercules would be more popular than Thor mostly because the GA would be more familiar with Greek mythology. Hercules (Beyond the Marvel version) has more exposure to the public at large than any Comic Book character ever will. :woot:

Well funded Hercules movie = Instant block buster

[protocida]

I don't know, I don't see Marvel's Hercules having a very succesful movie.

Besides, they're already doing Hercules: The Thracian Wars with The Rock.

[marvel_freshman]

I like what they did with his helmet this time around. Reminds me a lot more of this .....

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/5/5d/Loki_Laufeyson_(Earth-616)_0003.jpg

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3044/tumblrm09mr84d1m1qj2fpv.jpg

[chiefchirpa]

Nova is kind of a blatant Green Lantern rip-off, but could work.

Doctor Strange, sure.

Hercules I don't see it. MAYBE in a Thor sequel.

Moon Knight is a Batman rip-off, but could work, if they use the certain elements.

Blue Marvel is VERY obscure, and sounds a bit like Black Lightning, but would be a nice Made-for-TV movie or TV show. I don't see it as a motion picture.

Blade is obscure. Iron Man to the general public is obscure. But with the right direction and star power (Will Smith or Laurence Fishburne for Blue Marvel) it still could work.

As for the "rip-offs" none of them matter to the general public as long as they're well made. In the case of Nova, it's up to Marvel to show space characters could be made good and then maybe a chance for DC to reboot GL.

[Rock Sexton]

I don't know, I don't see Marvel's Hercules having a very succesful movie.

Besides, they're already doing Hercules: The Thracian Wars with The Rock.

There's no need. Stick to original Marvel characters that haven't already been done on the silver screen.

[marcvader]

There's a non Marvel Hercules movie in the works iirc

[chiefchirpa]

Hercules would be more popular than Thor mostly because the GA would be more familiar with Greek mythology. Hercules (Beyond the Marvel version) has more exposure to the public at large than any Comic Book character ever will. :woot:

Well funded Hercules movie = Instant block buster


Not to mention Marvel Hercules = oafish fun loving guy.

[Disney Man]

If Thanos is going to be a part of the Avengers, then Marvel Studios needs to have make a Nova film, Captain Marvel film, Guardians of the Galaxy film, and make that the next phase after the Avengers.
With everything I read from people who saw the film, it makes sense for this to be the next phase with Marvel Studios.

[SpideyFan866]

Based on some stuff I read that Jordanstine posted, I think The Avengers movie in and of itself is conclusive. As far as the after credits go, it will set up the build to the second Avengers film or Phase 2.

My Theory is that Thanos or some other big villain (though preferably and likely Thanos) is behind the army Loki has, HOWEVER, whoever they are won't be revealed as where the army came from and it will be, as Jordanstine said, Loki just brings the Army to earth with no real explanation of who they are, what they are, and where they are from.

Even that is a stretch though unless, as some rumors suggest, much was filmed in secret, like the first after credits scene with Fury and Stark was (filimed in total secret and not know until weeks before release).

[Obi-Ron]

Where are those cards from that they spell "defense" with a C?

[Dark Raven]

Where are those cards from that they spell "defense" with a C?

They're probably English ones, since that is how we spell defence over here.

[Disney Man]

Blade is obscure. Iron Man to the general public is obscure. But with the right direction and star power (Will Smith or Laurence Fishburne for Blue Marvel) it still could work.

As for the "rip-offs" none of them matter to the general public as long as they're well made. In the case of Nova, it's up to Marvel to show space characters could be made good and then maybe a chance for DC to reboot GL.
Will Smith made a 'who the hell is that superhero what' character like Hitchcock work.

Will Smith could make Blue Marvel work.

The Rock's popularity could make Luke Cage work too.

[Rock Sexton]

The Rock's popularity could make Luke Cage work too.

If I were Marvel I'd be quick to the pull trigger on The Rock for something. I find him to be highly entertaining and a very ample action hero. He's just fun to watch. Very charismatic guy. The superhero build on him is perfect too.

[Disney Man]

If I were Marvel I'd be quick to the pull trigger on The Rock for something. I find him to be highly entertaining and a very ample action hero. He's just fun to watch. Very charismatic guy. The superhero build on him is perfect too.
And he's already said he wants to play Luke Cage on film. Win win win

[cherokeesam]

And he's already said he wants to play Luke Cage on film. Win win win


No thanks.
Duane Johnson isn't "black" enough for Luke Cage, both physically and socially.

[Rock Sexton]

No thanks.
Duane Johnson isn't "black" enough for Luke Cage, both physically and socially.

Socially? LOL

Gimme a break. You don't think he can act that way on the screen? That's not exactly hard to portray.

[Ash Talon]

I think Thor needs something other than just pants on the bottom half. Metal legging might work. He's got metal sleeves, and no one seems bothered by those. So why such negativity over metal leggings?

I just don't like Thor wearing normal pants. It looks like they gave up after making the top half of his costume. At the very least, he should have some armored boots. Maybe with kneecap armor that comes out and over the knee (moreso than it currently does), kinda like his comic book boots. Or make his boots more metallic which could match his sleeves in tone and balance the overall appearance. There' just too much of a contrast between highly detailed upper body and non-descript lower body. His Avengers costume is better than his solo movie costume. They at least added the pinstripe.

I love how the cards have Selvig with a higher Attack rating than Coulson. Really? A scientist is stronger and more agile than a SHIELD agent?

[Splat]

The Blue Marvel is crazy powerful, I'd love to see him on film. He's basically a black Superman.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Blue Marvel??? That's a harder name to sell than Ant-Man

[Stringer]

Curious, what are you interested in?
Dr. Strange, maybe Wonder Woman, Flash. After those, most of comic book characters worthy of a full fledged cinematic narrative have been used.

[T"Challa]

Socially? LOL

Gimme a break. You don't think he can act that way on the screen? That's not exactly hard to portray.

Probably not the thread to get into this, but i think it would be a disservice to the black community to have probably their most recognizable superhero be played by The Rock who looks very Samoan. yeah i know he's half black but he 's just not this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fTPzd14htLY/TeREc0HDxII/AAAAAAAA4sA/nHCpTG_9Brk/s1600/new-avengers-8-doombot.jpg

[Rock Sexton]

Probably not the thread to get into this, but i think it would be a disservice to the black community to have probably their most recognizable superhero be played by The Rock who looks very Samoan. yeah i know he's half black but he 's just not this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fTPzd14htLY/TeREc0HDxII/AAAAAAAA4sA/nHCpTG_9Brk/s1600/new-avengers-8-doombot.jpg

A "disservice" to have a man who has a black heritage to play a black man?

In that picture of Luke he looks even more light-skinned than ever. Rock with a goatee could pull that off.

[protocida]

^ I'd add Aquaman to that. Aquaman is cool.

Hawkman, too. Maybe the JSA and the Titans. Luke Cage, Black Panther, and Namor.

[gkokujin]

I just want Thor with chain mail legging like his arms and in the comic books, rather than just striped pants.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/34626/1447472-thor.jpg

i wish to GOD they would have done this.

I feel he looks retarded with Pants and treaded boot soles. if they are so "alien" or even "magic" why would he have slacks on?

[JB-the-Hunter]

A "disservice" to have a man who has a black heritage to play a black man?

In that picture of Luke he looks even more light-skinned than ever. Rock with a goatee could pull that off.

No thanks, The Rock just doesn't fit the role other than the body.

[BizarroAids]

Is there a way to get a thread with a list of the rumors/info and which have been debunked and which have been proven.

I know a few other sections did that and it helps from going through all the different pages and new speculation threads.

Mods?

[venom420]

http://i40.tinypic.com/16axzki.jpg

150 minute runtime
2 and ahalf hours booya

[The Batman]

The landscape has changed since Blade. I'm sorry but I'm not interested in a Moon Knight or Nova movie.

This. As mentioned before, Moon Knight is just a Batman ripoff who cant even sell a successful comic nowadays. His series just got cancelled...and it was being written by Marvel's biggest writer. Nova is basically a Green Lantern ripoff. Like you said, not everyone deserves to have a movie. Assuming you can make a movie out of any character is simply naive.

Focus on making movies for character with a specific niche or power that we havent seen onscreen. With Namor, you could have the first underwater superhero epic. With Dr. Strange, you have a superhero dealing in the occult and magic realms. With Nick Fury and SHIELD, you have the superhero version of James Bond. The audience dosent need Moon Knight when Batman is a better and more compelling version of Moon Knights archetype.

[Captain Marvel]

This is one of the reasons why Marvel is winning. They have so many heroes to choose for movie inspirations.

Umm... DC has plenty of heroes, too. Quantity isn't the reason that Marvel's ahead. It's because DC is the WB's *****.

[The Infernal]

Probably not the thread to get into this, but i think it would be a disservice to the black community to have probably their most recognizable superhero be played by The Rock who looks very Samoan. yeah i know he's half black but he 's just not this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fTPzd14htLY/TeREc0HDxII/AAAAAAAA4sA/nHCpTG_9Brk/s1600/new-avengers-8-doombot.jpg

Cage here looks to be about the same tone as the Rock is.

Also regardless of your personal opinion, it would not be a 'disservice' to the black community to have the Rock play Luke Cage since he is black. He just also happens to be Samoan as well.

Though personally I wouldn't cast the Rock as Luke Cage. I'd love to see him in a Marvel movie, but I've never really pictured him as Cage.

[Captain Marvel]

So if not Luke Cage then who should the Rock play?

And yeah, I'd love to see him in a Marvel movie, too. The man's just oodles of fun to see onscreen.

[craigdbfan]

So if not Luke Cage then who should the Rock play?

He should play the character no one.

[TheVileOne]

Really hope that 2 and a half hour running time is legit.

[T"Challa]

So if not Luke Cage then who should the Rock play?

And yeah, I'd love to see him in a Marvel movie, too. The man's just oodles of fun to see onscreen.

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac291/EditNinja/NamorMovieRockWallpaper-3D-1680byEditNinja.jpg

[Captain Marvel]

Blue Marvel??? That's a harder name to sell than Ant-Man

If they were to cast Will Smith as Blue Marvel, I guarantee you, he'd instantly become an A-List character.

[Chewy]

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100503051159/marveldatabase/images/thumb/8/8e/Drax_the_Destroyer_Vol_1_3_page_15_Arthur_Douglas_ (Earth-616).jpg/250px-Drax_the_Destroyer_Vol_1_3_page_15_Arthur_Douglas_ (Earth-616).jpghttp://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/rockfastfive1.jpg

Boom

[Captain Marvel]

No thanks.
Duane Johnson isn't "black" enough for Luke Cage, both physically and socially.

Ok, I'll bite. How is one "socially" black enough? What're the prerequisites for that?

[Iceman]

He should play the character no one.One of my favourites!

[Quasimod0]

http://i40.tinypic.com/16axzki.jpg

150 minute runtime
2 and ahalf hours booya
Heck yes.
And the rock with a goatee is just roadblock. I'd prefer someone else for cage

[Raiden]

http://i40.tinypic.com/16axzki.jpg

150 minute runtime
2 and ahalf hours booya

:applaud

Best news I've heard all day!

[Pink Ranger]

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac291/EditNinja/NamorMovieRockWallpaper-3D-1680byEditNinja.jpg

Very disrespectful to the Atlantean-American community to have the Rock play Namor.

[craigdbfan]

2 hours and 30 minutes is perfect! Really hope it's legit.

[Iceman]

2 & 1/2 hours would be perfect. Where is that from venom?

[venom420]

2 & 1/2 hours would be perfect. Where is that from venom?

the article is on cbm
its from a british film site known as VUE
they were also the ones to post the thor runtime first

[darkslayer101]

http://i40.tinypic.com/16axzki.jpg

150 minute runtime
2 and ahalf hours booya

sweet!

[T"Challa]

I wonder whats going on in this scene where the SHIELD facility is disintegrating

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/avengers-2297-570x306.jpg

[DyeLorean]

Oh God of Thunder, I hope that runtime is the real one.
150 mins sounds great.

[chiefchirpa]

Umm... DC has plenty of heroes, too. Quantity isn't the reason that Marvel's ahead. It's because DC is the WB's *****.

Wait, my sentence there had nothing to do with DC. :word:

Marvel in here is a standalone movie project, just like Pixar. Based on the characters they got, they could churn out movies year after year as long as they don't cram too much films in one year.

[chiefchirpa]

This. As mentioned before, Moon Knight is just a Batman ripoff who cant even sell a successful comic nowadays. His series just got cancelled...and it was being written by Marvel's biggest writer. Nova is basically a Green Lantern ripoff. Like you said, not everyone deserves to have a movie. Assuming you can make a movie out of any character is simply naive.

Focus on making movies for character with a specific niche or power that we havent seen onscreen. With Namor, you could have the first underwater superhero epic. With Dr. Strange, you have a superhero dealing in the occult and magic realms. With Nick Fury and SHIELD, you have the superhero version of James Bond. The audience dosent need Moon Knight when Batman is a better and more compelling version of Moon Knights archetype.

Moon Knight is a different archetype than Batman. He's self reliant (someone who's not born rich) and less scientifically oriented than Batman. An ex-mercenary who once murdered innocents for money, this is one gritty badass with a penchant of sharp weapon. The schizophrenic personality is the icing. And please just because GL fails from a bad movie direction and management, doesn't mean Nova would automatically fail too. Blade wasn't that successful as comics and look how it performed. I detect "my fav stuff is failing, Marvel shouldn't make the derivatives too"... :whatever:

Namor is too expensive to make anyway. Same with Aquaman, who would want to see someone speaking underwater with air bubbles? I believe Marvel still has a few options to make before doing Namor.

[xeno000]

Probably not the thread to get into this, but i think it would be a disservice to the black community to have probably their most recognizable superhero be played by The Rock who looks very Samoan. yeah i know he's half black but he 's just not this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fTPzd14htLY/TeREc0HDxII/AAAAAAAA4sA/nHCpTG_9Brk/s1600/new-avengers-8-doombot.jpg

I'm Black and I wouldn't have a problem with Dwayne Johnson as Luke Cage. When we get into people analyzing others' "degree of Blackness," it gets ridiculous.

[Whiskey Tango]

I'd be cool w/Rock as Luke Cage. Would prefer him as Namor if given the choice however.

[Iceman]

the article is on cbm
its from a british film site known as VUE
they were also the ones to post the thor runtime firstCool. Vue are the cinema chain that took over the ex WB cinemas here. So they're totally legit...just as long as that's the real film length and not some kind of placeholder time.

[Dark Raven]

the article is on cbm
its from a british film site known as VUE
they were also the ones to post the thor runtime first

lol, Vue aren't a "British film site". It's a cinema franchise over here and that's their website. If you're on Vue, you're probably there to see what's coming up and what's playing at each of the Vue cinemas or to book tickets.

So if they've given the running time, that's probably more than likely correct, unless they've been given the wrong info themselves.

[Captain Marvel]

Wait, my sentence there had nothing to do with DC. :word:

Marvel in here is a standalone movie project, just like Pixar. Based on the characters they got, they could churn out movies year after year as long as they don't cram too much films in one year.


Well, you said Marvel was winning, so I assumed you meant that someone was losing by comparison, and who would that someone be but DC? Though if you meant it or not, I'd have to agree with that sentiment, as DC's losing bigtime. Which is a shame, too, because DC has a ton of characters who could carry a successful film franchise.

As for Marvel movies, oh yeah, there's a ton of characters that can get their own movies. Looking at that previously posted picture, in my opinion, any one of these characters could carry a film franchise:

Namor
Silver Surfer
Luke Cage
Cable
Ant-Man
Daredevil
Black Panther
Spider-Woman
Hercules
Nova
Ms. Marvel
Guardians of the Galaxy
Blade
Darkhawk
Blue Marvel
Dr. Strange
Deathlok
War Machine

[protocida]

Moon Knight is a different archetype than Batman. He's self reliant (someone who's not born rich) and less scientifically oriented than Batman. An ex-mercenary who once murdered innocents for money, this is one gritty badass with a penchant of sharp weapon. The schizophrenic personality is the icing. And please just because GL fails from a bad movie direction and management, doesn't mean Nova would automatically fail too. Blade wasn't that successful as comics and look how it performed. I detect "my fav stuff is failing, Marvel shouldn't make the derivatives too"... :whatever:

Namor is too expensive to make anyway. Same with Aquaman, who would want to see someone speaking underwater with air bubbles? I believe Marvel still has a few options to make before doing Namor.
Oh, look, someone ALREADY pulled the "Rival company" card.

[chiefchirpa]

Dr. Strange, maybe Wonder Woman, Flash. After those, most of comic book characters worthy of a full fledged cinematic narrative have been used.

I don't care about Wonder Woman as a comic book character, but I'd see the movie in the first day. Again using my Blade analogy, don't judge a potential comic book to movie character from its comic book state.

[The Sage]

Geez, more Marvel vs DC crap?

[DyeLorean]

I'm really looking forward to the Ant-Man movie. If it happens at all, I think is one of the most interesting and effective thing they can put on screen with the characters they have left.
He could be included maybe in a future Avengers sequel? The Phase Two?

[chiefchirpa]

Well, you said Marvel was winning, so I assumed you meant that someone was losing by comparison, and who would that someone be but DC? Though if you meant it or not, I'd have to agree with that sentiment, as DC's losing bigtime. Which is a shame, too, because DC has a ton of characters who could carry a successful film franchise.

As for Marvel movies, oh yeah, there's a ton of characters that can get their own movies. Looking at that previously posted picture, in my opinion, any one of these characters could carry a film franchise:

Namor
Silver Surfer
Luke Cage
Cable
Ant-Man
Daredevil
Black Panther
Spider-Woman
Hercules
Nova
Ms. Marvel
Guardians of the Galaxy
Blade
Darkhawk
Blue Marvel
Dr. Strange
Deathlok
War Machine

Well when someone's winning don't just assume someone's losing. Lose the zero sum game thing. I want Marvel films to be like Pixar. I do also see want to see DC films to be like Pixar when it get it's wheel running.

[Dark Raven]

If they hurry up and get Tigra into a movie and also Wonder Man, then if they have Mockingbird in a Hawkeye movie we could eventually get a West Coast Avengers film. If they don't want to get RDJ for that, get War Machine. After all, he was one of the original founding members (and the Iron Man who joined instead of Stark).

By then, Jeremy Renner would be a big enough star to carry the movie and lead the team.

As for the villain, I suggest Graviton, as in their mini series.

[Guerrilla]

What do you think about dwayne johnson playing skurge in thor 2?

[chiefchirpa]

Oh, look, someone ALREADY pulled the "Rival company" card.

Not me who's getting defensive at the first time. :woot:

And pull a smear tactics over characters that they don't ever read/have interest.

[Whiskey Tango]

Moon Knight is just a Batman ripoff

Look, someone who hasn't read a Moon Knight comic like, ever.

[Captain Marvel]

Geez, more Marvel vs DC crap?

I don't know about anyone else, but personally I'd like it if BOTH were making successful film franchises. I want to see Wonder Woman, Flash, Hawkman, JSA, etc. I want to see the Justice League and better Green Lantern movies. I want to see a proper Deathstroke on film, as well as Captain Marvel. That DC isn't pushing forward movies other than The Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel is frankly a pretty big disappointment.

[Whiskey Tango]

I don't know about anyone else, but personally I'd like it if BOTH were making successful film franchises. I want to see Wonder Woman, Flash, Hawkman, JSA, etc. I want to see the Justice League and better Green Lantern movies. I want to see a proper Deathstroke on film, as well as Captain Marvel. That DC isn't pushing forward movies other than The Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel is frankly a pretty big disappointment.

co-signed

[protocida]

^ Johnson is too "likeable" to play a villain like Skurge. He needs to be an anti-hero or a hero. Cage, I believe, fits right into his alley.

And West Coast Avengers is not necessary.

[chiefchirpa]

What do you think about dwayne johnson playing skurge in thor 2?

Dwayne is better utilized as Luke Cage than just a one-shot villain.

[Whiskey Tango]

Rock could play Wonder Man but I guess he's not ionic enough.

[Captain Marvel]

^ Johnson is too "likeable" to play a villain like Skurge. He needs to be an anti-hero or a hero. Cage, I believe, fits right into his alley.

Agreed. He should play a hero and not a two-bit villain. Luke Cage would be great.

[DyeLorean]

Dwayne Johnson wasn't supposed to play Shazam in a future movie?

[chiefchirpa]

Dwayne Johnson wasn't supposed to play Shazam in a future movie?

Black Adam. He could still do both characters though.

[protocida]

Not me who's getting defensive at the first time. :woot:
:dry:

I don't know about anyone else, but personally I'd like it if BOTH were making successful film franchises. I want to see Wonder Woman, Flash, Hawkman, JSA, etc. I want to see the Justice League and better Green Lantern movies. I want to see a proper Deathstroke on film, as well as Captain Marvel. That DC isn't pushing forward movies other than The Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel is frankly a pretty big disappointment.
This man speaks the truth.

Though I think Man of Steel will be deciding point on the subject of real superheroes, with superpowers. If it's good, DC/Warner will probably go for more movies like that, a little dark, a little gritty, most likely self-contained, but with people that aren't Batman.

As for Marvel Studios, I'd say the best characters for individual movies would be...

Doctor Strange.

Black Panther.

Luke Cage.

Iron Fist (Maybe).


Namor.

Black Widow and Hawkeye (They've got history in the comics and in the movie, would probably be a nice "buddy spy" movie).

SHIELD (Could be merged with the above).

Captain Marvel could work. Maybe.

Ant-Man.

The Inhumans.

Guardians of Galaxy might be cool as well.

[DyeLorean]

Black Adam. He could still do both characters though.

Right, Black Adam, that's right.

[Rock Sexton]

Dwayne Johnson wasn't supposed to play Shazam in a future movie?

Actually Black Adam ....

http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2008/01/rock-adam.jpg

[DyeLorean]

Yeah yeah, they corrected me up there. My bad.

[Smashlilman]

I'm Black and I wouldn't have a problem with Dwayne Johnson as Luke Cage. When we get into people analyzing others' "degree of Blackness," it gets ridiculous.

How old is Luke Cage. Ving Rhames Would have made a great Luke Cage. He old now though Dwayne Johnson seam more like he could play Black Adam from Shazam!(DC Captain Marvel).
http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/07/14/previews/Ving%20Rhames-SGG-072843.jpg
http://i2.listal.com/image/29064/936full-ving-rhames.jpg

[captainrogers]

Man, would I LOOOOVE to see a Great Black Panther movie.
As far as Individual Character films go, his is the movie I always looked foward to after Cap.

[Spider-Fan]

150 mins? I can go with that :up:

[JB-the-Hunter]

I'm really looking forward to the Ant-Man movie. If it happens at all, I think is one of the most interesting and effective thing they can put on screen with the characters they have left.
He could be included maybe in a future Avengers sequel? The Phase Two?
I was just looking at a couple of Wright and Cornish interviews to kinda see where they're trying to go with him, Ant-Man is a VERY interesting project:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cugixF94jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HQ15AflGbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EjekrYR01U

[captainrogers]

Part of me has kinda always wanted to see Michael Jai White as Cage.

[chiefchirpa]

How old is Luke Cage. Ving Rhames Would have made a great Luke Cage. Dwayne Johnson seam more like he could play Black Adam from Shazam!(DC Captain Marvel).

Ving Rhames is too old for the athletic role. Cage is about 30-something.

[Rock Sexton]

Part of me has kinda always wanted to see Michael Jai White as Cage.

God no ..... LOL

Seen a few of his movies late at night and that guy can't act for crap. All he's got in his bag of tricks is a snarl face.

[JB-the-Hunter]

My choice for Luke Cage
http://clutchmagonline.com/wp-content/uploads/img_00601.jpg

[chiefchirpa]

All he's got in his bag of tricks is a snarl face.

Which should not exclude him from any villainous role. :yay:

He won't too shabby as Killmonger or Black Manta, whose face and acting would be hidden through mask and electronic voice.

[PowerPacked]

Yeah, I'm all for more team up films, but, um, no to West Coast Avengers.

I'd love a S.H.I.E.L.D ensemble, or hell, maybe even a Thunderbolts movie. A Thunderbolts movie would be really interesting.

[DyeLorean]

I was just looking at a couple of Wright and Cornish interviews to kinda see where they're trying to go with him, Ant-Man is a VERY interesting project:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cugixF94jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HQ15AflGbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EjekrYR01U

Cool, thank you for those videos! :woot:
Yeah, is definetely the character I'm most interested to see on screen.

http://www.bowendesigns.com/Repository/Product_MainPicture/539___Source.jpg

[PowerPacked]

Actually, it'd be awesome if they used B/C list characters in movies, and then made a whole new team out of those characters. That'd be pretty awesome.

[Splat]

As far as WB/DC goes I think GL was going to be the start of a JL movie build up, with Amanda Waller playing the Nick Fury role. Unfortunately with GL bombing like it did WB/DC will just stick to more Superman or Batman movies. Maybe some Vertigo books.

[PowerPacked]

You can tell from the original GL script that was what they were going for. They had Alan Scott, Guy Gardner AND Clark Kent cameos in it, for god's sake.

[Raiden]

^ Johnson is too "likeable" to play a villain like Skurge. He needs to be an anti-hero or a hero. Cage, I believe, fits right into his alley.

And West Coast Avengers is not necessary.

I agree; if WC Avengers is viable, then we can do the same for other obscured teams, like Young Avengers and Thunderbolts. Marvel would be spreading themselves too thin if they go this route.

[Splat]

Yeah it was meant to be their IM it just didn't happen. Thank god JF, RDJ and company nailed it or I seriously doubt we'd be getting ready to watch an Avengers movie.

[Raiden]

Man, would I LOOOOVE to see a Great Black Panther movie.
As far as Individual Character films go, his is the movie I always looked foward to after Cap.

Same here. I want to see a BP movie more than a Luke Cage one, because not only because he's a deeper and more complex character, he also has great powers and abilities as well as backstory. Besides, wasn't he the first really viable black superhero in comicdom? It's a great opportunity for Marvel to make the first truly good superhero movie featuring an character of African descendant (because CINO, Steel, and Spawn were terrible).

[marcvader]

Know what guys? The general audience is liking everything Marvel is dishing. Why stop?

[captainrogers]

God no ..... LOL

Seen a few of his movies late at night and that guy can't act for crap. All he's got in his bag of tricks is a snarl face.

He's not the greatest actor, but man, the dude has got GREAT look.
I'm down for the idea of him to play a baddie.

[Spider-Fan]

You can tell from the original GL script that was what they were going for. They had Alan Scott, Guy Gardner AND Clark Kent cameos in it, for god's sake.

Oh you definitely can tell GL was attempting to be that movie, but GL failed at doing this not because a compelling DCU on film can't be made. Smallville arguable did it fairly well, so it can work. The problem was the movie itself. I think DC could make a great Justice League, much like Marvel is giving us a great Avengers. However, I have favoritism towards Avengers, so I am naturally happier that it was the Avengers that got it right. This is seriously a dream come true for us long time Avengers readers.

[PowerPacked]

So, let's see what we've gotten recently:

An Okay poster.

A...eh title change for the UK.

A kickass trailer.

A rebroken trailer record.

And a running time of 2.5 hours?!

Overall I'd say a pretty awesome week.

[craigdbfan]

Oh you definitely can tell GL was attempting to be that movie, but GL failed at doing this not because a compelling DCU on film can't be made. Smallville arguable did it fairly well, so it can work. The problem was the movie itself. I think DC could make a great Justice League, much like Marvel is giving us a great Avengers. However, I have favoritism towards Avengers, so I am naturally happier that it was the Avengers that got it right. This is seriously a dream come true for us long time Avengers readers.

GL: First Flight got it right and that was just an animated movie. Leagues better than the actual live action movie as well.

[Raiden]

Oh you definitely can tell GL was attempting to be that movie, but GL failed at doing this not because a compelling DCU on film can't be made. Smallville arguable did it fairly well, so it can work. The problem was the movie itself. I think DC could make a great Justice League, much like Marvel is giving us a great Avengers. However, I have favoritism towards Avengers, so I am naturally happier that it was the Avengers that got it right. This is seriously a dream come true for us long time Avengers readers.

Actually, WB has greater potential to make an amazing JLA movie than Marvel could with Avengers, since they have full access to all their characters but Marvel doesn't (which eliminates Spider-Man on Avengers idea). But unfortunately WB insists on making each of their movies in their own universe, so JLA is not possible unless they start thinking outside the box.

[chiefchirpa]

Know what guys? The general audience is liking everything Marvel is dishing. Why stop?

Yup starting with "Rip-offs" Moon Knight and Nova, :woot:

[Spider-Fan]

Actually, WB has greater potential to make an amazing JLA movie than Marvel could with Avengers, since they have full access to all their characters but Marvel doesn't (which eliminates Spider-Man on Avengers idea). But unfortunately WB insists on making each of their movies in their own universe, so JLA is not possible unless they start thinking outside the box.

I personally am glad Spider-Man can't be an Avenger. I love Spider-Man, but in all the comics in recent years, the Avengers move just hasn't worked for him IMO. I prefer the movies stick to the true core Avengers, as opposed to attempt to shoehorn Spider-Man or Wolverine in just because they are popular. It is in this way, I am glad Marvel doesn't own them.

I do agree, DC needs to think outside the box. The risk they took on GL was not the problem with attempting it. They just tried too hard to make GL a movie everyone will like and in doing so, they made a film few people liked. It is often the cost of playing it too safe.

[Chewy]

Avengers don't need Spidey to be great

However in a perfect world we would have gotten an X-Men movie with the Brotherhood as baddies which would have led into Scarlet Witch being in the Avengers :csad:

[craigdbfan]

Actually, WB has greater potential to make an amazing JLA movie than Marvel could with Avengers, since they have full access to all their characters but Marvel doesn't (which eliminates Spider-Man on Avengers idea). But unfortunately WB insists on making each of their movies in their own universe, so JLA is not possible unless they start thinking outside the box.

If (will) Avengers makes a ton of money (over $750 mil WW) at the box office I think they may want to rethink their strategy.

I think Nolan is a great director and is definitely one of my favorites but I'm not sure he's steering them completely in the right way by not following a more similar layout as the Marvel movies when it comes to establishing a shared universe. He keeps insisting that they should all take place in their individual continuity. Definitely the right move for his own Batman films but Man of Steel would have been the perfect venue (like Iron Man was for Marvel) to start a new interconnected universe hinting at Batman (not Nolans version but the "reinvented" one WB has in mind) and the formation of the JL.

A missed opportunity I think.

[The Watcher]

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads//2012/02/Screen-Shot-2012-02-29-at-20.20.551-500x281.png?f2df00

People realize that the few who argued that the above scene depicted one of the Leviathans were correct, right?

[Smashlilman]

Oh you definitely can tell GL was attempting to be that movie, but GL failed at doing this not because a compelling DCU on film can't be made. Smallville arguable did it fairly well, so it can work. The problem was the movie itself. I think DC could make a great Justice League, much like Marvel is giving us a great Avengers. However, I have favoritism towards Avengers, so I am naturally happier that it was the Avengers that got it right. This is seriously a dream come true for us long time Avengers readers.

I'm was mainly a DC fan. Superman was my number one hero and his movie was the only superhero movie I truly cared about but then after Superman returns all my hopes and dreams for DC based films (non-batman) died. Now I'm living out my DC dreams through Marvel. lol

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads//2012/02/Screen-Shot-2012-02-29-at-20.20.551-500x281.png?f2df00

People realize that the few who argued that the above scene depicted one of the Leviathans were correct, right?
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lze7gpA3Vp1r6aqm1.gif

[JB-the-Hunter]

I do agree, DC needs to think outside the box. The risk they took on GL was not the problem with attempting it. They just tried too hard to make GL a movie everyone will like and in doing so, they made a film few people liked. It is often the cost of playing it too safe.

If DC was trying to recreate Iron Man's success I don't understand why they didn't actually come close to that. Iron Man did so well because of it's charismatic lead, because the main hero looked/was badass, because the main villain looked/was badass, because it had clever dialogue and because it had a refreshing story. Green Lantern could have achieved those things easily, but it's like they didn't even try.

[cherokeesam]

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads//2012/02/Screen-Shot-2012-02-29-at-20.20.551-500x281.png?f2df00

People realize that the few who argued that the above scene depicted one of the Leviathans were correct, right?

Yup.
Which means our "fire-breathing dragon" that some people scoffed about is, in fact, just that. Apparently a biomechanical one, or fully mechanical, but w/e.

[Quasimod0]

You think that shot is of the thing breathing fire or exploding?

[Spider-Fan]

If DC was trying to recreate Iron Man's success I don't understand why they didn't actually come close to that. Iron Man did so well because of it's charismatic lead, because the main hero looked/was badass, because the main villain looked/was badass, because it had clever dialogue and because it had a refreshing story. Green Lantern could have achieved those things easily, but it's like they didn't even try.

They didn't trust the material enough. That was the problem.

[SpideyFan866]

I'm was mainly a DC fan. Superman was my number one hero and his movie was the only superhero movie I truly cared about but then after Superman returns all my hopes and dreams for DC based films (non-batman) died. Now I'm living out my DC dreams through Marvel. lol


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lze7gpA3Vp1r6aqm1.gif

Agreed. When I was younger I was a DC fanatic. You couldn't tell me DC wasn't Marvel's equal or superior. At the time, the only Marvel characters I really cared about was Spidey and Hulk. Everyone else didn't matter so much. I knew of and liked other characters but I was still more in love with DC, espcially with JLA over the Avengers. JLA was a much better group than The Avengers (I still feel they are in many ways).

As I've gotten older, my opinions have changed and I find myslef being much more of a Marvel fanboy now considering I've learned and read other character's books.

I have been very disappointed with DC in comparison with Marvel when it comes to films. I hate the fact that the only heroes they seem capable of bringing to film properly are Batman and Superman, especially Batman. Depending on how you look at it, every Batman film has been great when you consider certain eras of the Batman character.

Batman is the best selling movie superhero. Because of this, I think DC/WB should definitely build the new franchise build to JLA around Supes to bring some more credability to him. Also, while I personally fell GL wasn't that bad (they tried to hard with the fan service spots and the story suffered) they need to bring in some better directors like Marvel has but again, like Marvel, make sure not to give these directors to much creative freedom where the character gets changed beyond any recognition outside of name.

BTW, what if The Avengers 2 and (hopefully) JLA released in the same year? I think we'd have seizures from the pure epic.

[The Watcher]

Lmao. Well, humbleness is a good trait to have. :p

I'm not sure whether it's breathing fire or exploding, though.

Also, if I can say - I'm utterly confused about the people who, after the release of this trailer, are somewhat criticizing RIM and other insiders as to their reliability. RIM mentioned it was 'spoilerific', and the trailer could certainly be interpreted that way.

I mean we got a look at the Leviathan (which, up till now, had been a mystery, more or less), we got more shots of the aliens (including the one still with those two giant ones on some portable platforms, it seems) and the stand-off/fight between Thor, Iron Man and Captain America was visually spoiled.

As far as I see it, RIM and some other insiders were correct yet again.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Does anyone else think that this image:

http://i.imgur.com/wRis8.gif

Might be caused by:
http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2012/03/avengerstrailer47-930x511.jpg

Which happens after:
http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2011/10/avengerstrailer47-930x510.jpg
http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2011/10/avengerstrailer48-930x510.jpg
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[cherokeesam]

Does anyone else think that this image:

http://i.imgur.com/wRis8.gif

Might be caused by:
http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2012/03/avengerstrailer47-930x511.jpg

Which happens after:
http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2011/10/avengerstrailer47-930x510.jpg
http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2011/10/avengerstrailer48-930x510.jpg
http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2011/10/avengerstrailer49-930x512.jpg?

As I said in the other thread: I think Widow's shocked, hurt look is caused by Hawkeye betraying her, and helping Loki escape from his prison. He's probably mind-controlled, but Widow doesn't know that yet.

[ThePowerCosmic]

As I said in the other thread: I think Widow's shocked, hurt look is caused by Hawkeye betraying her, and helping Loki escape from his prison. He's probably mind-controlled, but Widow doesn't know that yet.

That's a good possibility. Here's what I think:

The floor patterns with Banner Hulking out and Widow looking traumatized are identical, so it seems like it's in the same room. The pipes behind her also look like they've collapsed onto her legs, perhaps from damage done by the Hulk. He was seen lifting up a pipe in his Hulk out after all.

[flickchick85]

I actually suspect that this shot:


http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2011/10/avengerstrailer47-930x510.jpg
...might be from Widow's POV on the floor in that .gif. Because she's witnessing him hulking out, and - especially if it's the first time she's seen it - it would be F***ING TERRIFYING. Just like her face indicates.

Plus, she's probably on the floor because of whatever caused all that destruction around Banner (Hawkey/Loki destruction?). He obviously hasn't hulked out just yet, and already there are fallen pipes/debris all around.

[DyeLorean]

At least the floor is the same.

[Chewy]

Yeah, it all matches that scene. It describes her as pulling herself free from rubble on the floor, pleading with Bruce not to change/to calm down

[Praxis222]

Hey guys, I'm not sure if this is the place for this but I figured with everyone tossing out their own ideas for character solo flicks, why not?

Now I'm by no means well versed in this character (truth be told my only real experience with him comes from Bendis's Avengers run post Avengers Disassembled and pre-Dark Avengers era), and I don't know too much about his history BUT I would LOVE to see this happen...

A Doctor Strange movie as directed by Darren Aronsofsky with a script (by some miracle) by David Mack.

I just think the combination of those two could bring us a film that's both beautifully cerebral and metaphorically abstract and philosophical enough to do the character justice and contain the kind of elements a movie about mysticism requires. And with Aronofsky's history it could end up looking visually arresting and present some of the most boldly unique kinds of action for this genre of film.

This would be a VERY different kind of marvel movie and, more importantly, a different kind of film in general that in the long run I think would actually be very important in establishing Marvel as a REAL movie studio (think about how cool it could be to have all kinds of movies that, at their core, are about heroes, but on the surface belong to ALL the different genres of film making)

It could be quite a large risk, considering Aronosfky's films have always played more to peoples minds rather than their wallets, but that seems to be exactly why Marvel studios is flying so high at the moment.

Anyways, any thoughts?

[bunk]

You think that shot is of the thing breathing fire or exploding?

Yeah, I figured somebody was attacking it. Fire breathing would be interesting though.

[Quasimod0]

Are her legs trapped under something?

[ThePowerCosmic]

I actually suspect that this shot:


...might be from Widow's POV on the floor in that .gif. Because she's witnessing him hulking out, and - especially if it's the first time she's seen it - it would be F***ING TERRIFYING. Just like her face indicates.

Plus, she's probably on the floor because of whatever caused all that destruction around Banner (Hawkey/Loki destruction?). He obviously hasn't hulked out just yet, and already there are fallen pipes/debris all around.

Widow looks like she's sweating in the .gif, as if she just got done running. She also isn't directly focusing on something with her eyes, and if Banner were Hulking out I don't think she'd look away. It looks like she's reflecting on something that just happened.

[Chewy]

Are her legs trapped under something?
Yeah those same kind of pipes that are around Bruce

http://i.imgur.com/wRis8.gif

[ThePowerCosmic]

Are her legs trapped under something?

I think so.


The pipes behind her also look like they've collapsed onto her legs, perhaps from damage done by the Hulk. He was seen lifting up a pipe in his Hulk out after all.

[cherokeesam]

I actually suspect that this shot:


...might be from Widow's POV on the floor in that .gif. Because she's witnessing him hulking out, and - especially if it's the first time she's seen it - it would be F***ING TERRIFYING. Just like her face indicates.

Plus, she's probably on the floor because of whatever caused all that destruction around Banner (Hawkey/Loki destruction?). He obviously hasn't hulked out just yet, and already there are fallen pipes/debris all around.


Which all points back to my theory that Hulk is *protecting* Widow instead of chasing her. The damage is already done, and it's not by Banner/Hulk. Widow is injured; Banner might be, too. Widow is shocked that Hawkeye betrayed her, but she doesn't want Banner to Hulk out and kill "puny bow-man," so she pleads with him to stop.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yeah those same kind of pipes that are around Bruce

http://i.imgur.com/wRis8.gif

Yeah exactly.

[Chewy]

Widow looks like she's sweating in the .gif, as if she just got done running. She also isn't directly focusing on something with her eyes, and if Banner were Hulking out I don't think she'd look away. It looks like she's reflecting on something that just happened.
Her eyes look like they're moving around a bit but focusing on the same area. Almost like she's taking in a quite large monster for the first time :cwink:

[Quasimod0]

Maybe he hulks out and frees her? Doesnt look like widow is leading hulk anywhere. She's shielding her face

[ThePowerCosmic]

Her eyes look like they're moving around a bit but focusing on the same area. Almost like she's taking in a quite large monster for the first time :cwink:

Probably as he leaves the area, but I doubt it's before the transformation.

[cherokeesam]

Maybe he hulks out and frees her? Doesnt look like widow is leading hulk anywhere. She's shielding her face


....Maybe because she's....blind?

I'll be honest with you....the look on Scarjo's face looks like someone not just in literal shock, but *physical* shock. Her eyes are wandering, in a panic, like hysterical blindness. Possibly a spell that Loki threw at her to blind her.

[DyeLorean]

We should be detectives.

[flickchick85]

Widow looks like she's sweating in the .gif, as if she just got done running. She also isn't directly focusing on something with her eyes, and if Banner were Hulking out I don't think she'd look away. It looks like she's reflecting on something that just happened.
If the whole Hawkeye/Loki thing just went down, she'd still be reeling from that - but her leg is trapped under a pipe. And she's stuck there with Banner who is losing his calm. In those leaked pages from SLJ's script, she's trying desperately to calm Banner down. She's freaking out in that .gif, not recovering from a scary experience, imo. I agree that it looks like something big did just go down, but it also looks like something horrible is ABOUT to happen as well.

And her eyes do look like they lock onto something in that .gif to me.

[ThePowerCosmic]

....Maybe because she's....blind?

I'll be honest with you....the look on Scarjo's face looks like someone not just in literal shock, but *physical* shock. Her eyes are wandering, in a panic, like hysterical blindness. Possibly a spell that Loki threw at her to blind her.

Widow looks like she's terrified, surprised, and trying to get out of the Hulk's way to me.

[Quasimod0]

lol, i dont think she's blindly running around being chased by the hulk. She's shielding herself from the sparks of the machinery being destroyed

[Quasimod0]

If the whole Hawkeye/Loki thing just went down, she'd still be reeling from that - but her leg is trapped under a pipe. And she's stuck there with Banner who is losing his calm. In those leaked pages from SLJ's script, she's trying desperately to calm Banner down. She's freaking out in that .gif, not recovering from a scary experience, imo. I agree that it looks like something big did just go down, but it also looks like something horrible is ABOUT to happen as well.

And her eyes do look like they lock onto something in that .gif to me.
She's probably stuck on the ground after some destruction from lokis escape. Which makes banner very upset, and shes stuck trying her best to calm him down in a last ditch effort. But it fails and he hulks out and the pipe holding her down is moved. She then runs for her life because shes stuck in a small space with a crazed monster

[ThePowerCosmic]

If the whole Hawkeye/Loki thing just went down, she'd still be reeling from that - but her leg is trapped under a pipe. And she's stuck there with Banner who is losing his calm. In those leaked pages from SLJ's script, she's trying desperately to calm Banner down. She's freaking out in that .gif, not recovering from a scary experience, imo. I agree that it looks like something big did just go down, but it also looks like something horrible is ABOUT to happen as well.

And her eyes do look like they lock onto something in that .gif to me.

If it was just Hawkeye fighting Widow, I don't think he'd cause her to lose her cool like that. She's trained to fight people like him, but not someone like the Hulk. Even though it very well could've been Loki, she looks like she's in a state of fear and shock. It just looks like the Hulk's aftermath to me.

[cherokeesam]

If the whole Hawkeye/Loki thing just went down, she'd still be reeling from that - but her leg is trapped under a pipe. And she's stuck there with Banner who is losing his calm. In those leaked pages from SLJ's script, she's trying desperately to calm Banner down. She's freaking out in that .gif, not recovering from a scary experience, imo. I agree that it looks like something big did just go down, but it also looks like something horrible is ABOUT to happen as well.

And her eyes do look like they lock onto something in that .gif to me.


Here's the thing.

We know there's an explosion in the....what did Mark Steiner of ET call it? The room where the Avengers all convene and do Avenger-y stuff. Scenes from an earlier trailer had people analyzing and studying the explosion, and they came to the conclusion that the explosion showed Banner and Black Widow getting blown out of the window.

So. Cut to a deck far below. Banner and Widow are trapped under a pile of pipes and debris they've crashed through. Loki and Hawkeye are escaping. Widow is shocked that Hawkeye betrayed her. Banner is pissed. Widow thinks: *this* can't be good. She doesn't want Hulk to go kill Hawkeye. If Hawkeye needs killing, she'll want to do it herself, but first she needs to ask him point blank: why did you do it? So naturally she begs Banner not to Hulk out. He does anyway. So now Widow runs off and tries to intercept Hawkeye before Hulk does. She *is* leading him....but she's actually racing him. To keep Hulk from smashing Hawkeye to teeny tiny bits.

[Quasimod0]

Thats possible cherokeesam, guess we wont really know until we get more info

[BigThor]

For reals. Seeing the big three actually treated like the big 3 in a huge huge budget movie is majestic.

Everyone knew that Cap showing up on the big screen was inevitable. But Thor and Tony had always been so restricted to comic book fans in terms of public awareness. Marvel has done maybe the best job possible in terms of turning them into pop culture icons.

I agree 100%, I was starting to have doubts about the "big three" being treated as such in this film but that definately went away when I saw that shot in the new trailer.

[chiefchirpa]

Avengers 2 Lineup:

Captain America
Thor
Ant Man
Wasp
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Ms Marvel

How is it? Missing 2 key personnel, add 3 more including 2 more females.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Avengers 2 Lineup:

Captain America
Thor
Ant Man
Wasp
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Ms Marvel

How is it? Missing 2 key personnel, add 3 more including 2 more females.

Black Panther would be great to have in the sequel.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Avengers 2 Lineup:

Captain America
Thor
Ant Man
Wasp
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Ms Marvel

How is it? Missing 2 key personnel, add 3 more including 2 more females.

Getting rid of Iron Man and Hulk in favor of Ant Man and Wasp won't sit well with the general audience. Iron Man will be in these movies for as long as possible imo.

[Quasimod0]

I do wish we could have the same lineup as EMH.
And thank God we're havin some great speculation now! Not just arguing

[chiefchirpa]

Black Panther would be great to have in the sequel.

Then Johansson will be cut off, because Widow and Panther share the same niche albeit Panther is more powerful.

Cap - Leader, tactician
Thor - Damage dealer, area of effect weapon
Ant Man - Scientist
Wasp - Jokester, common sense POV
Ms Marvel - Second damage dealer
Hawkeye - Sniper
Panther - Stealth, strategy

I can't deny that I like the team with Panther better :up:

[JB-the-Hunter]

Yeah those same kind of pipes that are around Bruce

http://i.imgur.com/wRis8.gif
Her facial expression indicates to me that she just saw something already and is trying to register what she just witnessed. Her eyes are clearly not locked on to anything, she seems to be staring into space wondering what the hell is going on.

[flickchick85]

She's probably stuck on the ground after some destruction from lokis escape. Which makes banner very upset, and shes stuck trying her best to calm him down in a last ditch effort. But it fails and he hulks out and the pipe holding her down is moved. She then runs for her life because shes stuck in a small space with a crazed monster
This is exactly what I'm suspecting at the moment.

[xeno000]

http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads//2012/02/Screen-Shot-2012-02-29-at-20.20.551-500x281.png?f2df00

People realize that the few who argued that the above scene depicted one of the Leviathans were correct, right?


I was one of the few and I got shot down in flames. Dragon flames.

:exp:

[JB-the-Hunter]

I do wish we could have the same lineup as EMH.
And thank God we're havin some great speculation now! Not just arguing
I was just about to post this same thing, we're actually speculating!!! I've had enough of people nitpicking and talking about the same stuff over and over, it's so fun to speculate.

[chiefchirpa]

Getting rid of Iron Man and Hulk in favor of Ant Man and Wasp won't sit well with the general audience. Iron Man will be in these movies for as long as possible imo.

Avengers will need to hold up without Iron Man and Hulk. Ideally the Avengers should have rotating rosters where the team is more important than each member. In reality RDJ may want to step down after IM3 or Marvel will need to pay up a heftier new contract. Hulk lives on TV.

That's been said, I think you're right losing IM and Hulk will be a big loss. But to me the addition of Ant Man and Ms Marvel present a dynamic better than the loss.

[BigThor]

Catching up on a few topics I've missed, I don't really want The Rock playing ANY Marvel character because him being "The Rock" would overshadow the actual character since people would still look at him as The Rock.

I think he would be a much better fit for Namor than Cage, also I've wondered what race The Rock was for a long time and I don't think you should have to wonder what race Luke Cage is.

[Quasimod0]

I cant unsee the hulk in the dragonfire pic now.
And am I the only one who wants to see hulk speak in the 3rd person in this film? lol. I dont think he ever did in TIH besides " Hulk smash "

[ThePowerCosmic]

Then Johansson will be cut off, because Widow and Panther share the same niche albeit Panther is more powerful.

Cap - Leader, tactician
Thor - Damage dealer, area of effect weapon
Ant Man - Scientist
Wasp - Jokester, common sense POV
Ms Marvel - Second damage dealer
Hawkeye - Sniper
Panther - Stealth, strategy

I can't deny that I like the team with Panther better :up:

He's also a genius and a King with the resources of a vast empire at his disposal, so that's also a plus! Widow can be off doing a mission for SHIELD or something.

[chiefchirpa]

Catching up on a few topics I've missed, I don't really want The Rock playing ANY Marvel character because him being "The Rock" would overshadow the actual character since people would still look at him as The Rock.

I think he would be a much better fit for Namor than Cage, also I've wondered what race The Rock was for a long time and I don't think you should have to wonder what race Luke Cage is.

The requirement of acting as Cage is a bit more loose than being Namor. Namor has to act like a snobbish, cruel regent (when in fact he's not) and thus might require a better actor to perform than the Rock.

As who should play Namor. My view about 7 years ago Jason Isaacs is perfect in mannerism although he needs to amp up his physique. Now I'm not familiar with younger British actors. I'm more confident of British actors to do Namor because of the acting requirement.

[ThePowerCosmic]

I wonder if Nick Fury's manipulative side is going to come out in this movie? It hasn't really been seen thus far.

[Raiden]

Avengers will need to hold up without Iron Man and Hulk. Ideally the Avengers should have rotating rosters where the team is more important than each member. In reality RDJ may want to step down after IM3 or Marvel will need to pay up a heftier new contract. Hulk lives on TV.

That's been said, I think you're right losing IM and Hulk will be a big loss. But to me the addition of Ant Man and Ms Marvel present a dynamic better than the loss.

If RDJ won't return after IM3, then maybe they can get Cheadle to reprise his role as Rhodes and War Machine in TA2.

[BigThor]

The requirement of acting as Cage is a bit more loose than being Namor. Namor has to act like a snobbish, cruel regent (when in fact he's not) and thus might require a better actor to perform than the Rock.

As who should play Namor. My view about 7 years ago Jason Isaacs is perfect in mannerism although he needs to amp up his physique. Now I'm not familiar with younger British actors. I'm more confident of British actors to do Namor because of the acting requirement.

I didn't say I want to see The Rock play Namor, I just said he'll be a better fit for the role than Luke Cage and I was basing it on looks.

Like I said first and foremost, I don't really want to see The Rock play any Marvel character because him being The Rock would overshadow the actual character,

[JB-the-Hunter]

If RDJ won't return after IM3, then maybe they can get Cheadle to reprise his role as Rhodes and War Machine in TA2.
Of course he's returning after Iron Man 3. Didn't Kevin Feige say that Iron Man 3 is the first movie of phase 2 culminating into Avengers 2???

[liveman789]

Guys don't worry Downey will 99.99% chance likely be back for Avengers 2. That'd be ridiculous if he didn't. He's the money maker.

On a side note, I'm gonna make a video now trying to connect all the footage we've gotten so far, because I think I may have figured some of it out. It'll be posted later.

[BigThor]

I can't speak enough on how much I want Ultron to be the main villain in Avengers 2 so hopefully Ant Man's solo film is released before hand.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I can't speak enough on how much I want Ultron to be the main villain in Avengers 2 so hopefully Ant Man's solo film is released before hand.

But to go from an army to Ultron might be a little underwhelming no? Hopefully there's at least one other villain.

[Chewy]

I can't put in words how much I don't want to see an Avengers 2 without Iron Man

A good sequel line-up to me would be

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Ms Marvel

I don't really care for the Hulk to return but you just know he would...

[irapogi]

I'd also love black panther in an avengers sequel (after his own movie of course)

since we speculated hank and jan earlier,
I wanna share my support for PETER MENSAH as T'Challa.
http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.news/NEthu6T5tilpwv_1_1.jpg

I don't care that he was already in TIH cos that was a minor role and all he did was introduce blonsky.

Black Panther was so OP in EMH. haha

[irapogi]

I can't speak enough on how much I want Ultron to be the main villain in Avengers 2 so hopefully Ant Man's solo film is released before hand.


Ultron's too epic imo. I'd like an army of ultrons to be used as support to the avengers in part 2.
Then he can turn towards the end for part 3 maybe?

[Nightwing]

Man, would I LOOOOVE to see a Great Black Panther movie.
As far as Individual Character films go, his is the movie I always looked foward to after Cap.
:up:

BP has the characters, story and villains to carry him through a trilogy. Not to mention the obvious connection of Vibranium. I still want to see a flashback scene of Cap fighting T'Challa's grandfather.
He's also a genius and a King with the resources of a vast empire at his disposal, so that's also a plus! Widow can be off doing a mission for SHIELD or something.
This.

[Nightwing]

I'd also love black panther in an avengers sequel (after his own movie of course)

since we speculated hank and jan earlier,
I wanna share my support for PETER MENSAH as T'Challa.
http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.news/NEthu6T5tilpwv_1_1.jpg

I don't care that he was already in TIH cos that was a minor role and all he did was introduce blonsky.

Black Panther was so OP in EMH. haha
Aldis Hodge still remains my top choice. Already he's well known due to Leverage but also he's young if they do a trilogy and display T'Challa's growth into the role of king.

And yeah BP's awesome on EMH. Owned the entire team. :awesome: I liked how he took down Hank with pressure points.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I'd also love black panther in an avengers sequel (after his own movie of course)

since we speculated hank and jan earlier,
I wanna share my support for PETER MENSAH as T'Challa.
http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.news/NEthu6T5tilpwv_1_1.jpg

I don't care that he was already in TIH cos that was a minor role and all he did was introduce blonsky.

Black Panther was so OP in EMH. haha

Too old, he could play t'chaka though.

[BigThor]

But to go from an army to Ultron might be a little underwhelming no? Hopefully there's at least one other villain.

No it wouldn't, because Ultron is able to hack into every computer system in the world, meaning he could turn the entire world against itself.

Ultron's too epic imo. I'd like an army of ultrons to be used as support to the avengers in part 2.
Then he can turn towards the end for part 3 maybe?

Nah I don't really care about seeing the army of Ultron's used as support and I think Ultron would be best suited for Avengers 2 with Thanos or Kang being the villains Avengers 3

[Praxis222]

I'd also love black panther in an avengers sequel (after his own movie of course)

since we speculated hank and jan earlier,
I wanna share my support for PETER MENSAH as T'Challa.
http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.news/NEthu6T5tilpwv_1_1.jpg

I don't care that he was already in TIH cos that was a minor role and all he did was introduce blonsky.

Black Panther was so OP in EMH. haha


I actually really like the idea of Djimon Hounsou for Black Panther. He's got that intensity and vulnerability of a jungle cat protecting it's cubs, plus the eloquence and intelligence.

http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/7/88/82/7/@/715059-djimon-hounsou-forces-speciales-637x0-3.jpg

[Chewy]

Hounsou is too old. T'Challa should be in his 20s.
Aldis Hodge still remains my top choice. Already he's well known due to Leverage but also he's young if they do a trilogy and display T'Challa's growth into the role of king.
This is an interesting suggestion.

[Nightwing]

Hounsou can be T'Chaka or S'Yan.

[BigThor]

I can't put in words how much I don't want to see an Avengers 2 without Iron Man

A good sequel line-up to me would be

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Ms Marvel

I don't really care for the Hulk to return but you just know he would...

This is a great roster, but I don't know if I'd leave out Giant Man and Wasp since I want Ultron as the villain in Avengers 2.

Of course that's just my opinion though.

Hounsou is too old. T'Challa should be in his 20s.

Agreed, I was just about to say the same thing.

[xeno000]

Guys don't worry Downey will 99.99% chance likely be back for Avengers 2. That'd be ridiculous if he didn't. He's the money maker.

On a side note, I'm gonna make a video now trying to connect all the footage we've gotten so far, because I think I may have figured some of it out. It'll be posted later.


Robert Downey Jr. has a six picture deal with Marvel. He did the cameo in TIH as a courtesy to the studio, so that doesn't count against his total. The other three movies after The Avengers will be IM3 and TA 2&3, in all likelihood.

[Praxis222]

Hounsou is too old. T'Challa should be in his 20s.



Wow...Just looked up his age, I had no idea he was 48. He doesn't look it.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Aldis Hodge is one of the best choices I've heard so far

[mkilban2]

i'd love to see Peter Mensah as Black Panther, I've seen all of Spartacus so far and I love that dude, the only fault is that he's too old looking (although he kicks major ass in Spartacus). Who knows maybe they could just make Panther an older hero lol.

Side Note: I've been reading the Fury's Big Week comics idk if anyone else has but I have to say I'm starting to enjoy how they've been behind the scenes in everything, and how they're tieing everything together. I hope the next 4 show some really cool stuff.

[Chewy]

Aldis Hodge is one of the best choices I've heard so far
Absolutely... dude would knock it out of the park. Never occured to me.

And just picture this father-son duo

http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/eye-candy-aldis-hodge-7.jpg

http://cdn.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/denzel.jpeg

[xeno000]

I can't put in words how much I don't want to see an Avengers 2 without Iron Man

A good sequel line-up to me would be

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Ms Marvel

I don't really care for the Hulk to return but you just know he would...


To be honest, I don't want the Hulk to return, either. He does get points for saving Tony, but to me he'll never be suited for working on a team. Bring in The Vision or Wonder Man in his place and you've got that heavyweight slot filled perfectly.


I would much rather see the Wasp in the next movie than Ms. Marvel. They need to either give up on the Ant-Man movie or pry Jan out of Wright's hands and explain her powers in a creative way to make this happen, though. Either one would be fine with me at this point.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m08i5dfsv01rq69iko1_400.jpg

[Chewy]

i'd love to see Peter Mensah as Black Panther, I've seen all of Spartacus so far and I love that dude, the only fault is that he's too old looking (although he kicks major ass in Spartacus). Who knows maybe they could just make Panther an older hero lol.
Problem with that is his origin requires that it be believable that his father is still fit enough to be Black Panther. I think once you start pushing T'Chaka into his late 60s or 70s that's not reasonable :cwink:

[BigThor]

I really can't wait to see Vision on the Avengers roster in one of the sequels either, he really would fill in a Martian Manhunter-ish type role on the team.

[Smashlilman]

why not make Peter Mensah T'Chaka's father and have him pass it on to T'Chaka. Still be nice to see Peter as "a" Black Panther.

[Raiden]

why not make Peter Mensah T'Chaka's father and have him pass it on to T'Chaka. Still be nice to see Peter as "a" Black Panther.

Yeah, Peter Mensah would look more believable as T'Chaka's father and not T'Chaka himself.

[liveman789]

Screw the video, that's take too long. Here's what I'm thinking:

It starts off showing what Loki has been doing since his "death" in Thor, making deals and what not, planning his attempt to rule Earth.

We then see Black Widow introduced, possibly escaping from some Russians (some scene description I heard of? correct me if wrong) and heading to India to get Banner (scene from trailer and comic con). Though they're meeting isn't smooth, she achieves recruiting him without having to deal with Hulk. They make their way to NYC.

During this time, Fury goes to Stark Tower to try and recruit Tony as more than just a representative. Fury tells Stark about Captain America's revival and recruitment, that he knew his father. Tony turns down his offer.

We then see Loki somehow arrive on earth, as seen in the first trailer, and start to cause destruction (In Germany). Thor somehow finds out about Loki's existence and tries to find out a way to return to Earth.

Fury finds out about this as well, and gets Captain America to get ready (As seen in the trailers, in the gym scene). Captain America meets Hawkeye and they take the Quinjet off the Helicarrier and fly to Germany, along with Fury and Coulsen as well.

At this time Thor has somehow found out a way to return to Earth, and he does so.

As the fly over Germany, Captain America leaps out of the Quinjet (as seen in the footage) and parachutes down to where Loki is. He fights Loki, and just about when he is about to fail, Iron Man flies in (Assuming he found out about the Germany events on the news, etc.) and defeats Loki. Loki is taken into their custody and they all go on the Quinjet back to NYC.

On the way back, Tony and Cap meet for the first time and talk a bit about their connection (yada yada). They then feel a thump on the top of the Quinjet as if something has landed on it (which is Thor, as seen in the trailer, who knows Loki is on board). They land the Quinjet as soon as possible to see what the problem is, so they land in a nearby forrest. This would be where the fight scene in the woods between Thor and Iron man and Cap occurs. They duke it out and eventually stop (no clue as to why, but clearly it stops for some reason). Thor then travels back with them.


Obviously there'd be a lot of filler in between, but thats the way I look at it for now.

Also, was far as the Loki escape/mind control scene, I think I have an idea as well. Loki mind controls Banner into becoming the Hulk at some point (the trailer scenes where he's actually transforming), and somehow tricks Thor into freeing him and leaving Thor trapped in the Hulk cage. Thor screams "No!" and then Hulk starts destructing and chasing Black Widow (both of which are in the trailer).

Loki gets a hold of his staff and the cube or whatever he wanted, then mind controls Hawkeye into driving him away in a Shield truck. Iron Man and Captain America pursuit Loki and Hawkeye, and at the same time Thor breaks out of the Hulk cage and starts to battle Hulk, saving Black Widow. (I think the shot of Thor summoning his hammer in that interior area will be part of this).



Anyways, that's my specualtion. Let me know if there are any holes in it.

[Smashlilman]

I wonder if this guy can actually act.
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[JoeyConQueso]

Wow...Just looked up his age, I had no idea he was 48. He doesn't look it.

He's been wearing the grey in his beard for a while now. I wonder if this guy can actually act.
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He has the role of deodorant pitchman nailed.

[Spider-Vader]

My ideal Avengers 2 roster would be:
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Hawkeye
Hank Pym
Wasp
Black Panther
Ms. Marvel

& then in the third, I'd replace Hulk with Vision. Maybe I'd replace Iron Man with War Machine as well.

[Matt Mortem]

I would certainly like to see Black Panther come around after his solo film. Ms. Marvel would be fun too.

[Smashlilman]

I would certainly like to see Black Panther come around after his solo film. Ms. Marvel would be fun too.

What do you think about Taye Diggs?

Taye Diggs
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[liveman789]

I personally they hope they don't they cut any of the big four for the rest of the Avengers, assuming we do get a trilogy. We probably will. I doubt they are going to remove any of them anyways, Downey has his 6 film contract and the rest (don't know about their contracts) a young and don't seem the type to just ditch the franchise at this point. If anyone were to be cut it'd be Hawkeye or Black Widow.

Ant-man and Wasp I don't think are going to be included in this, ever. I don;t have any hatred towards them, I just feel like their concept would be a really weird one to put into live action film. A shrinking man would seem kind of silly, like Honey We Shrunk the Kids. And a Woman with insect like wings would also seem out of place, but not as bad as Ant man I suppose.

Though, Thor I thought was not going to work at all as far as connecting the worlds with the whole god/alien concept, but it was done wonderfully and turned out being my favorite Marvel film of the 5 of them. So I guess it's possible to bring Ant-man and Wasp into the Universe I suppose.

If anyone though, I'd prefer Black Panther.

[liveman789]

Speaking of which, anyone else really looking forward to all the characters' first reactions to Thor and the existence of his kind/aliens? lol.

[BigThor]

What do you think about Taye Diggs?

Taye Diggs
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I could definately see Taye Diggs as T'Challa, I think he's a fine actor and he definately looks alot younger than he actually is.

Speaking of which, anyone else really looking forward to all the characters' first reactions to Thor and the existence of his kind/aliens? lol.

I'm certainly looking forward to the character's reaction to Thor & The Asgardian race's existence, I hope we see Stark doubting Thor's claim as the God of Thunder only for Thor to do something amazing in the film and erase all of Iron Man's doubts.

[CaptainStacy]

To be honest, I don't want the Hulk to return, either. He does get points for saving Tony, but to me he'll never be suited for working on a team. Bring in The Vision or Wonder Man in his place and you've got that heavyweight slot filled perfectly.
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I'm hoping to see a Defenders movie one day, so The Hulk leaving is ok with me as well. As you said; Vision or Wonderman can fill the slot. Hercules as well. Heck, im hoping Herc gets introduced in the Thor sequel. The sooner he does, the sooner he can join The Avengers.

[Hawkingbird]

I'd like:
Cap
Iron Man
Thor
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Wasp
Giant Man
Ms Marvel

[herolee10]

It'd be easier to take Hulk not being in the next film IF he had his own sequel. If he doesn't, then we'll never see him again unless they bring him back to the Avengers, and I'd like to see the character's journey find some type of closure before his last appearance in the MCU and I don't think that this one film can cover all of that imho.

[Hawkingbird]

It'd be easier to take Hulk not being in the next film IF he had his own sequel. If he doesn't, then we'll never see him again unless they bring him back to the Avengers, and I'd like to see the character's journey find some type of closure before his last appearance in the MCU and I don't think that this one film can cover all of that imho.


...Good point.
Thing is, he's never been in the Avengers long term, I don't quite get it. I love MOST of his solo comics...

[liveman789]

I just feel Like Hulk is the most overall popular character on the Avengers, so they wouldn't get rid of him.

As far as his own film, I doubt that they'd go on continuing the fugitive route. After he helped saved the world, which is assumed by the end of this movie, I feel like he would be given some honor. Maybe not though.

Instead of the movie, I hope they just make the Hulk TV a tie in to the films as well, making Mark Ruffalo the star. They could hint every now and then towards the next Avengers films, and maybe every now and then have a cameo from one of the other Avengers.

If not, then he'd only be in the Avengers films or maybe even cameo in the the other films. Wouldn't it be awesome if Hulk was in a Thor movie for a little bit helping him battle in Asgard?

But yeah I don't see him getting the boot in any way.

[herolee10]

...Good point.
Thing is, he's never been in the Avengers long term, I don't quite get it. I love MOST of his solo comics...


True, but i guess there's a first for everything.lol I mean, unless he gets a new film soon, I'd like to see him at least one more time in the next avengers film before we give him a curtain call.

Heck, I'd like to see Mark's Bruce Banner interact with the supporting cast from TIH to further cement the continuity between the films.

[Smashlilman]

I just feel Like Hulk is the most overall popular character on the Avengers, so they wouldn't get rid of him.

As far as his own film, I doubt that they'd go on continuing the fugitive route. After he helped saved the world, which is assumed by the end of this movie, I feel like he would be given some honor. Maybe not though.

Instead of the movie, I hope they just make the Hulk TV a tie in to the films as well, making Mark Ruffalo the star. They could hint every now and then towards the next Avengers films, and maybe every now and then have a cameo from one of the other Avengers.

If not, then he'd only be in the Avengers films or maybe even cameo in the the other films. Wouldn't it be awesome if Hulk was in a Thor movie for a little bit helping him battle in Asgard?

But yeah I don't see him getting the boot in any way.

I keep thinking that Hulk is gonna get Teleported some where into space by Loki for some reason. What if he poped up in Guardians of the Galaxy.
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[Hawkingbird]

Yup! They should have a Hulk movie with She Hulk...even though I don't like her..