The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 50

[Poni_Boy]

Did they really film alternate endings? I can't imagine them doing a X-3 thing where they filmed several endings for the film.

Yes, they filmed three of the +5 proposed endings

[BigThor]

How do you properly embed a video on here without the screen just being blank when you click on it?

Anyone?

[Chewy]

Just copy the part of the url after v= and put it in [yt] tags

[herolee10]

Yes, they filmed three of the +5 proposed endings

And you know this how?

[BigThor]

I guess what you saw as complaining I saw as defending a position and restating the facts of an argument. It was just a talking point. I kinda like those sometimes. But I guess I better stop right there because then I'll be defending AB again and as we learned last time that's just unacceptable.

FspWLKvdTyA&feature=youtu.be

[Whiskey Tango]

What, you think we're the same person or something?

It's crossed my mind. You've been that dudes cheerleader since day one. You show up to defend him with disturbing regularity, even when he's at his most blatantly obnoxious. You've not only not gotten fed up with his routine (unlike virtually everyone else around here) but you seem completely blind to his toxic posting style to the point where you actually act baffled that he could possibly offend anyone.

I also suspect he's on his second or third account after having been previously banned a few times. I have a few good reasons for thinking so and from that it's not a stretch to assume he'd have a sockpuppet account.

But hey, I could be wrong. Sorry you don't like my theories! Maybe you should put me on ignore? If you're really lucky people won't quote me like they do AB, which pretty much makes the button irrelevant but you can't say I haven't tried!

And that's about all the talking about that guy I care to do. I'd rather not begin my weekend on such a distasteful subject.

[BigThor]

Just copy the part of the url after v= and put it in [yt] tags

Thanks Chewy :up:

[herolee10]

So do you guys think that we'll learn on what Loki promised his army in return for their services in this film?

[Smashlilman]

FspWLKvdTyA

Fixed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FspWLKvdTyA&feature=player_embedded


insert FspWLKvdTyA between the youtube tags.

[jaqua99]

It's crossed my mind. You've been that dudes cheerleader since day one. You show up to defend him with disturbing regularity, even when he's at his most blatantly obnoxious. You've not only not gotten fed up with his routine (unlike virtually everyone else around here) but you seem completely blind to his toxic posting style to the point where you actually act baffled that he could possibly offend anyone.

I also suspect he's on his second or third account after having been previously banned a few times. I have a few good reasons for thinking so and from that it's not a stretch to assume he'd have a sockpuppet account.

But hey, I could be wrong. Sorry you don't like my theories! Maybe you should put me on ignore? If you're really lucky people won't quote me like they do AB, which pretty much makes the button irrelevant but you can't say I haven't tried!

And that's about all the talking about that guy I care to do. I'd rather not begin my weekend on such a distasteful subject.

I have stayed off the forum for the last few pages, this nonsense with him is ridiculous. Like I said before, dont even argue with him. You he can't be like this if no one argues/debates with him. We know how they will result, so why keep doing it? Ignore him, and lets just talk about this movie, who cares about Alexie or whatever and bobby, if they are the same person, okay. if they arent, okay...not important, just ignore his post :D

[Verbal21]

https://p.twimg.com/AoDPEalCMAAobar.jpg:large

ok, where can I buy this like right now?

[jaqua99]

So do you guys think that we'll learn on what Loki promised his army in return for their services in this film?

tellin ya, its not the army, i still think Thanos has something to do with the army. I feel like he sent loki to retrieve him the cube, and lent him the army, only to, in a way, be double crossed by loki, and loki wanted the cube for himself. this angers thanos, seen after credits.

Avengers 2, Ultron, maybe have Thanos appear....

Avengers 3, Thanos, but not defeated. have him maybe in some cosmic films, and maybe, for like a 5 minute scene, actually destroy a universe? :P

[BigThor]

Fixed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FspWLKvdTyA&feature=player_embedded


insert FspWLKvdTyA between the youtube tags.

Yeah I know Chewy already told me how to do it, but thanks anyway Smash. :up:

tellin ya, its not the army, i still think Thanos has something to do with the army. I feel like he sent loki to retrieve him the cube, and lent him the army, only to, in a way, be double crossed by loki, and loki wanted the cube for himself. this angers thanos, seen after credits.

Avengers 2, Ultron, maybe have Thanos appear....

Avengers 3, Thanos, but not defeated. have him maybe in some cosmic films, and maybe, for like a 5 minute scene, actually destroy a universe? :P

That would be absoluetly PERFECT!!! :up:

[Alexei Belyakov]

It's crossed my mind. You've been that dudes cheerleader since day one. You show up to defend him with disturbing regularity, even when he's at his most blatantly obnoxious. You've not only not gotten fed up with his routine (unlike virtually everyone else around here) but you seem completely blind to his toxic posting style to the point where you actually act baffled that he could possibly offend anyone.

I also suspect he's on his second or third account after having been previously banned a few times. I have a few good reasons for thinking so and from that it's not a stretch to assume he'd have a sockpuppet account.

But hey, I could be wrong. Sorry you don't like my theories! Maybe you should put me on ignore? If you're really lucky people won't quote me like they do AB, which pretty much makes the button irrelevant but you can't say I haven't tried!

And that's about all the talking about that guy I care to do. I'd rather not begin my weekend on such a distasteful subject.

What baffles me to no end is HOW just HOW you haven't been banned yet.

Your only agenda on this board is to behave vicious towards anyone who disagrees with the general consensus.

You're pickin' on Bobby now 'cause he ain't budgin' to your crap and the best you can come up with to attack him is accusing him of being me? What a joke.

I know you probably [must] have a history with the mods here, because EVERY other message board I belong to would boot your hateful little behind without an ounce of hesitation.

I can't even imagine you in an NBA draft pick thread.

You don't know the meaning of the word "respect" because you live hidden behind a computer screen.

Why the mods think you're an appropriate poster is beyond me, but then again I've already been infracted for being too "negative" and "unpopular" on this particular thread, so maybe my personal method of tact is just too aged for the natives here. But even so, I won't reduce myself to your level. There are genuinely good posters here that have manners and enjoy a good debate so no need to alienate them by embracing your brutal nature.


What, you think we're the same person or something? Because that would truly be sad. Is it really that hard to believe that two people out of this whole board might slightly agree on things sometimes?

I've agreed with you before. Is that convenient too? Lot's of other posters here agree with each other. Are they all the same? Are they all coordinating their posts with one another to make sure everyone is in perfect agreement?

If you've got something to say then just say it man. I'm sorry my agreeing with someone bothers you. And just for your information I don't completely agree with him on this particular issue, I just happen to see where he's coming from. I don't care if Jane Foster is in this movie, and I'd pretty much prefer her not to be, but I do kind of like the idea of her being hinted at as in peril for a Thor sequel. That's all. I'll carry on a conversation with whoever the heck I please, thank you very much.

And just for the record, pretty much everything either of us has posted on this particular issue lately has been pretty darn civil. So I have no clue why you or anyone else has a problem with it.

Bobby, avoid children like the one above. They know not how truly hateful their internet identities make them.

Just let 'em be, pal.

[jaqua99]

What baffles me to no end is HOW just HOW you haven't been banned yet.

Your only agenda on this board is to behave vicious towards anyone who disagrees with the general consensus.

You're pickin' on Bobby now 'cause he ain't budgin' to your crap and the best you can come up with to attack him is accusing him of being me? What a joke.

I know you probably [must] have a history with the mods here, because EVERY other message board I belong to would boot your hateful little behind without an ounce of hesitation.

I can't even imagine you in an NBA draft pick thread.

You don't know the meaning of the word "respect" because you live hidden behind a computer screen.

Why the mods think you're an appropriate poster is beyond me, but then again I've already been infracted for being too "negative" and "unpopular" on this particular thread, so maybe my personal method of tact is just too aged for the natives here. But even so, I won't reduce myself to your level. There are genuinely good posters here that have manners and enjoy a good debate so no need to alienate them by embracing your brutal nature.




Bobby, avoid children like the one above. They know not how truly hateful their internet identities make them.

Just let 'em be, pal.

I cant believe no one has mentioned this yet. Ive ignored it, but this is enough...

Whisky, dont respond to this post ^, no one. We get your points, but enough is enough. ****
:cmad:

Seriously, no need for anyone to be attacking anyone here anymore. The last few pages have been ridiculous. You know something, as far as I am concerned, you both are children, because neither of you refuse to let the other get the last word in. All you are doing is provoking each other, and cause a huge waste of thread. Stop responding to each other, just ignore each other and get on topic. If someone says something threatening to you, or insulting, IGNORE IT!

Both of you grow up, stop your senseless bickering, neither of you will get the last word in, so just drop it, and ignore each other, please. :cmad:

This is pissing me off, and I am relatively calm on forums, enough is enough guys, seriously, just drop it. Both of you, ignore each other, and this specific confrontation!!



please

[jaqua99]

That would be absoluetly PERFECT!!! :up:

Thats my fantasy, ahah I have a pretty creative mind :P

[Raiden]

Can we just go back to speculating on The Avengers or something? :rolleyes:

[jaqua99]

Can we just go back to speculating on The Avengers or something? :rolleyes:

YESSSSSSSSSS

at this point, my biggest desire of knowledge, or what I expect, is if Thanos makes an appearance, if he does, I will be happy


:BA<- just because

[Alexei Belyakov]

YESSSSSSSSSS

at this point, my biggest desire of knowledge, or what I expect, is if Thanos makes an appearance, if he does, I will be happy


We'll all be happy :yay:

[Alexei Belyakov]

http://i41.tinypic.com/24fgpio.jpg

Translation of text: "I want you to go in that bag, and find my wallet. It's the one that says Bad Mother******."

[jaqua99]

We'll all be happy :yay:

There is someone here who I dont think was fond of the idea of Thanos appearing. why is beyond me, he's such an awesome baddie.

[herolee10]

There is someone here who I dont think was fond of the idea of Thanos appearing. why is beyond me, he's such an awesome baddie.

It'd be great to see the Avengers encounter an enemy that could take them all at the same time. I rarely see scenarios in comic book films that are executed well where it's a single powerful villain against several heroes in the way that animated shows like JLU or EMH's does it.

[Raiden]

It'd be great to see the Avengers encounter an enemy that could take them all at the same time. I rarely see scenarios in comic book films that are executed well where it's a single powerful villain against several heroes in the way that animated shows like JLU or EMH's does it.

If there's a sequel, I think we may get to see that. But I'm sure in this movie, the Avengers will encounter something that requires everyone pitch in to help, like that flying leviathan that was chasing Iron Man.

[Poni_Boy]

And you know this how?

I was there when they filmed two of em

[Poni_Boy]

There is someone here who I dont think was fond of the idea of Thanos appearing. why is beyond me, he's such an awesome baddie.

Thanos makes no sense as an Avengers villain at this point in the MCU. The team is nowhere near powerful enough to fight him off. That will change though.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Thanos makes perfect sense, just as a man in the shadows this time around rather than the main foe.

[herolee10]

I was there when they filmed two of em

Not to come off as a cynical poster, since quite frankly, this board has had its fair share of so called "in side" sources that ended up being more bogus than Chris Brown's responses to the media regarding assaulting his wife, but is there any way you can prove that, let alone mention it here if that's the case? And how do you know exactly that it was the endings that you saw filmed?

[Poni_Boy]

It'd be great to see the Avengers encounter an enemy that could take them all at the same time. I rarely see scenarios in comic book films that are executed well where it's a single powerful villain against several heroes in the way that animated shows like JLU or EMH's does it.

This is something Kevin Feige touched upon briefly when I interviewed him last year. Basically, his stance is that you can't have the entire team in a physical confrontation with one superpowered villain without said villain killing off as many as he can. In the cartoons it works because everything is toned down, but in live-action it has to be handled cautiously.

[Poni_Boy]

Not to come off as a cynical poster, since quite frankly, this board has had its fair share of so called "in side" sources that ended up being more bogus than Chris Brown's responses to the media regarding assaulting his wife, but is there any way you can prove that, let alone mention it here if that's the case? And how do you know exactly that it was the endings that you saw filmed?

Well, first off, I don't pull the "inside sources" :cwink::cwink::cwink::cwink::cwink::cwink::cwink: thing. I know what I know because of my job. If what I see/find out I can discuss, then I do. If I can't I try to say as much as possible without breaking obligations and promises. I don't comment here too much (because, as great as this place is, it distracts me from getting actual work done) but the people here who do know me can vouch that I don't sling bullsh** for attention.

As far as this film goes I was on the NM and NY sets for quite some time. As long as studio personalities know you're not going to run off and divulge their secrets they let you in on some decent intel.

[xeno000]

I was there when they filmed two of em

Now that is interesting. I've been convinced all along that the "ending" we saw filmed in Central Park wasn't really because it's unlikely that Whedon would film that in the open. Or that the interpretation many of us had of what we saw was wrong.


Do you know if they're going to choose one of the three and discard the others? With the Cosmic Cube involved, there are so many different possibilities.


Thanos makes no sense as an Avengers villain at this point in the MCU. The team is nowhere near powerful enough to fight him off.


In the comics the Avengers were never powerful enough to defeat Thanos. Every single time there was a McGuffin involved in thwarting the Mad Titan -- the Cosmic Cube, the Soul Gem, etc. They could go the same way in the movie version.

[Poni_Boy]

Do you know if they're going to choose one of the three and discard the others? With the Cosmic Cube involved, there are so many different possibilities.

No idea.

In the comics the Avengers were never powerful enough to defeat Thanos. Every single time there was a McGuffin involved in thwarting the Mad Titan -- the Cosmic Cube, the Soul Gem, etc. They could go the same way in the movie version.

This is one of those instances where what artists can get away with in the comics won't work well on screen. The team that's currently assembled can handle the threat they are given and nothing more. They would either have to update their roster with cosmic heroes or depower the hell out of Thanos and villains like him. I personally don't know anyone who wants to see that. Even at his comics-incarnated worst Thanos would kill half the team. Like I said earlier, people will die; and Marvel is ready to kill off their moneymaking characters.

[Smashlilman]

Now that is interesting. I've been convinced all along that the "ending" we saw filmed in Central Park wasn't really because it's unlikely that Whedon would film that in the open. Or that the interpretation many of us had of what we saw was wrong.


Do you know if they're going to choose one of the three and discard the others? With the Cosmic Cube involved, there are so many different possibilities.





In the comics the Avengers were never powerful enough to defeat Thanos. Every single time there was a McGuffin involved in thwarting the Mad Titan -- the Cosmic Cube, the Soul Gem, etc. They could go the same way in the movie version.

The Cosmic Cube is the McGuffin in the Avengers. the Infinity Gauntlet and the Infinity Gems would be the McGuffin in the Avengers 2 if they use Thanos. They movie could be about them preventing Thanos form completing the Gauntlet. Most the Avengers action would be agiant Thanos' forces. Then you could have Thanos him self put a wooping on the entire group when he fight them. Then Thanos complets the Gauntlet. Defeats the Avengers and Challanges Odin. Then we could have a one on one Odin vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet Climax. :woot:

[Captain Marvel]

Well, they could always go The Infinity Gauntlet route and have it so the heroes ARE killed off, but are later resurrected thanks to the power of the Infinity Gems.

But yes, the team as it stands wouldn't even be much of a speedbump for Thanos, and they'll definitely need more people. We can probably count on Ant-Man and Wasp being there. Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, and the Vision would be nice, too. And they could always call in help from people like Sif, the Warriors Three, War Machine, and any others. Maybe even the Guardians of the Galaxy. Aren't they getting their own movie? Not to mention that Loki could play the role that Mephisto played in The Infinity Gauntlet.

As for Thanos, count me amongst the people who DON'T want to see him in this movie. He's a villain you end a trilogy on, so any set-up for him shouldn't begin until Marvel Phase II, or Avengers 2. The Avengers is the end of the Phase I for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It should feel like an end instead of just a set-up for more things to come.

Not to mention that there aren't a whole lot of ways to fit Thanos into this movie. Some have suggested that he lends Loki an army, but think about it. Loki betrayed his own family for no good reason at all, and Thanos is going to trust this guy? Someone who he just met and who owes him nothing to go get a power source which'll make Loki far more powerful than him? Really? If Thanos does that then he's instantly the dumbest villain ever. Dumber than an 80's cartoon villain. Besides, that's completely out of character for Thanos. Whenever he learns of a source of infinite or near infinite power he doesn't send a lackey to go get it for him. He goes and gets it himself.

Besides, there's going to be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, right? If there's any place to introduce him, that'd be it. ESPECIALLY if they go with the modern team. Half that team is directly linked to Thanos in some way. Moondragon's family was killed by Thanos. Drax was programmed to kill Thanos. Gamora was raised by Thanos. Adam Warlock is the antithesis to Thanos. Where better to introduce him then there?

[Chewy]

A movie can only have so many characters in it. They need to add a cosmic level hero to the team for whichever sequel has Thanos in it but otherwise he is a perfectly cinematic villain and a great finale to the Avengers film saga

[Smashlilman]

A movie can only have so many characters in it. They need to add a cosmic level hero to the team for whichever sequel has Thanos in it but otherwise he is a perfectly cinematic villain and a great finale to the Avengers film saga

It all depends on the length of the film. LOTR had a ton of characters but they had 4 hours to work with. If the avengers squeals can hit at lease 3 hour then the extra characters won't negatively effect the film.

[BigThor]

A movie can only have so many characters in it. They need to add a cosmic level hero to the team for whichever sequel has Thanos in it but otherwise he is a perfectly cinematic villain and a great finale to the Avengers film saga

By the team needing to add a "cosmic hero", do you mean as far as how powerful they are or just to have some ties to Thanos?

Because Thor and Hulk are about as powerful as the average level cosmic hero (maybe even more powerful).

[Chewy]

Yes, Thor and Hulk are strong. When I say a cosmic hero I mean a cosmic hero, someone from the cosmos. Mar-Vell or Gamora or Warlock.

[samsnee]

This is something Kevin Feige touched upon briefly when I interviewed him last year. Basically, his stance is that you can't have the entire team in a physical confrontation with one superpowered villain without said villain killing off as many as he can. In the cartoons it works because everything is toned down, but in live-action it has to be handled cautiously.

This is why a Fantastic Four movie is hard to pull off in my opinion. In the comics, they can all take on Dr Doom at the same time, but it doesn't work as easily in live action. Look at the end of the first movie as proof.

[BigThor]

Yes, Thor and Hulk are strong. When I say a cosmic hero I mean a cosmic hero, someone from the cosmos. Mar-Vell or Gamora or Warlock.

Oh ok understood, would you say Ms. Marvel counts (I think so) since she gets her powers from Captain Marvel?

[HUMANIMAL]

i've just read that releasedate in europe is 26. of april how can this be?

[Oberon sexton]

It's the 25th of April in Australia :woot:

[HUMANIMAL]

:argh:

[Whiskey Tango]

i've just read that releasedate in europe is 26. of april how can this be?

MS films often release earlier overseas than in the US. Thor came out like two weeks earlier.

[HUMANIMAL]

i mean usually movies from the u.s. start a bit earlier than other countries and not the other way round

[HUMANIMAL]

....the world has changed....

[itchyscratch]

It's the 25th of April in Australia :woot:

.... Which is actually still the 24th April in most other places.

[Crimson King]

Thanos makes perfect sense, just as a man in the shadows this time around rather than the main foe.

Agreed. I don't want him featured in the film at all, but I wouldn't mind him as a tag at the end, perhaps commenting on Loki's failure. It would plant the seed for his involvement in Avengers 2 (or 3).

[Chewy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEas1GisdRQ

Skip to 9:13

Joss says his favorite arc from his youth is the death of Warlock

(Thanos :yay:)

[Oberon sexton]

.... Which is actually still the 24th April in most other places.

:up:

[Weadazoid]

Well expect shining reviews from the Aussies and european crowd

Face it if they loved Thor and Iron Man this one is gonna Shine


Thor had like an RT rateing of 96% before AMerican critics started to tear it appart for some odd reason.

[Scarlettess]

btw is anyone from here going to the premiere? and when are they usually?

[04nbod]

Alexei, have you considered that maybe, just maybe, Natalie might be busy with something else?

Like, oh, I don't know, raising her newborn child? You know, that thing that parents do?

And that maybe that she doesn't necessarily need to be in this story because, god forbid, it might NOT have something to do with her?

What is weird is that they found a way to include Pepper (and I'm glad) but only Jane has been set up to have an actual role -finding Thor and getting him back but they didn't get her for even one scene. A role seemingly given to Selvig despite the fact he had no role in her work or theory.


I agree, but alot of people seem to be obsessed with her for some reason.

People goshdarn like her. Marvel is an absolute failure with Thor's love interests. Sif just doesn't fit the role, she's meant to be this amazing empowered goddess and just comes across as desperate for the love of a guy that isn't as interested in her. Goes to show, you can give a girl a sword, it doesn't make her strong.


Jane needs to find a nice human guy... She's hogging Sif's man.

Wrong way around man!!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/21046-2294-23468-1-thor_super.jpg

Sif needs to step off. :p

[BigThor]

People goshdarn like her. Marvel is an absolute failure with Thor's love interests. Sif just doesn't fit the role, she's meant to be this amazing empowered goddess and just comes across as desperate for the love of a guy that isn't as interested in her. Goes to show, you can give a girl a sword, it doesn't make her strong.

Okay

[Scarlettess]

What is weird is that they found a way to include Pepper (and I'm glad) but only Jane has been set up to have an actual role -finding Thor and getting him back but they didn't get her for even one scene. A role seemingly given to Selvig despite the fact he had no role in her work or theory.




People goshdarn like her. Marvel is an absolute failure with Thor's love interests. Sif just doesn't fit the role, she's meant to be this amazing empowered goddess and just comes across as desperate for the love of a guy that isn't as interested in her. Goes to show, you can give a girl a sword, it doesn't make her strong.

not to get back on topic with this again, but the bolded part is exactly why having even a few second cameo i think would have worked. As Heimidall says at the end of Thor 'How is she?" "She's searching for you", I thought having her actually find the way, or at least help in getting Thor back to earth would have been in enough to be tied into the story, without overdoing it or having her there for no reason.

Anyway I don't really care if she's in it or not, The Avengers has plenty enough going on as it is, which I can't wait to see all of that on the big screen in a months time :woot:

[04nbod]

Okay

Desperate not to get into this are't you. Embrace the Foster love BigThor. Stop hating on the pint size, adorable, awkward science lady. :woot::oldrazz:

[Chewy]

What is weird is that they found a way to include Pepper (and I'm glad) but only Jane has been set up to have an actual role -finding Thor and getting him back but they didn't get her for even one scene. A role seemingly given to Selvig despite the fact he had no role in her work or theory.
She was 7-8 months pregnant at the time...

[04nbod]

She was 7-8 months pregnant at the time...

And Hawkeye's cameo in Thor wasn't done in principal photography...

[BigThor]

Desperate not to get into this are't you. Embrace the Foster love BigThor. Stop hating on the pint size, adorable, awkward science lady. :woot::oldrazz:

Lol

[Scarlettess]

lets not get into this again. Jane will appear in Thor 2....now back to Avengers :woot:

so....who's EXCITED?!

[Whiskey Tango]

so....who's EXCITED?!

me!

[Chewy]

And Hawkeye's cameo in Thor wasn't done in principal photography...
Who says Portman didn't have a cameo filmed later? We wouldn't know about it until April if she did :cwink:

[BigThor]

lets not get into this again. Jane will appear in Thor 2....now back to Avengers :woot:

so....who's EXCITED?!

Trust me, we wont :word:

[Chewy]

So apparently Hunger Games is incredible. If Avengers turns out great, and TDKR, and the Hobbit...

What a year for movies :woot:

[Poni_Boy]

OH MY GOD PEOPLE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN THE MOVIE!

The ridiculous statements here are astounding. Why do some of you people think you know what fits into a movie you haven't seen yet better than the production team? They could have cut in unused Thor footage for Portman, she could have recorded a voice over, or maybe they didn't WANT Jane in it at all. So many possibilities that don't fit into what your assumptions are. Jesus. Stop acting like the filmmakers took a misstep until you are absolutely sure what the hell is going to happen. Up until two days ago it wasn't clear if Paltrow was going to be in the film.

And, I'm sorry fellas, Pepper Potts is way more important than Jane Foster to the MCU. You can't have Stark Industries brandished without Pepper showing up.

[catgirl18]

thor and jane They would be way more interesting.
I hate sif in the comics and the movie:cwink:

[Poni_Boy]

btw is anyone from here going to the premiere? and when are they usually?

I'll be at the NYC one. It's slated for April 1st

[Drummerdude7]

Personally, Jane showing up isn't as important to me as explaining just how Thor gets back to Earth. That's my one curious point.

[Poni_Boy]

A movie can only have so many characters in it. They need to add a cosmic level hero to the team for whichever sequel has Thanos in it but otherwise he is a perfectly cinematic villain and a great finale to the Avengers film saga

Absolutely. The only Avengers right now that can even stand a chance against Thanos in a believable cinematic way are Thor and Hulk. They need a handful of cosmic heroes to balance it out.

[Chewy]

I'll be at the NYC one. It's slated for April 1st
I hate you :jedi

[J.Howlett]

OH MY GOD PEOPLE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN THE MOVIE!

The ridiculous statements here are astounding. Why do some of you people think you know what fits into a movie you haven't seen yet better than the production team? They could have cut in unused Thor footage for Portman, she could have recorded a voice over, or maybe they didn't WANT Jane in it at all. So many possibilities that don't fit into what your assumptions are. Jesus. Stop acting like the filmmakers took a misstep until you are absolutely sure what the hell is going to happen. Up until two days ago it wasn't clear if Paltrow was going to be in the film.

And, I'm sorry fellas, Pepper Potts is way more important than Jane Foster to the MCU. You can't have Stark Industries brandished without Pepper showing up.

And you can't have the ending of Thor as it is and not address the situation in the Avengers once Thor sets foot on Earth.

That's how big that ending of Thor was....

...which is the reason why they should've left Thor on Earth at the end of the film. A part of the Avengers film is going to have to explain how he got back and that's time that could be used for something else had they left Thor on Earth at the end of his film.

[Chewy]

And you can't have the ending of Thor as it is and not address the situation in the Avengers once Thor sets foot on Earth.

That's how big that ending of Thor was....

...which is the reason why they should've left Thor on Earth at the end of the film. A part of the Avengers film is going to have to explain how he got back and that's time that could be used for something else had they left Thor on Earth at the end of his film.
Here's a thought: they're probably going to address the situation

[BigThor]

OH MY GOD PEOPLE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN THE MOVIE!

The ridiculous statements here are astounding. Why do some of you people think you know what fits into a movie you haven't seen yet better than the production team? They could have cut in unused Thor footage for Portman, she could have recorded a voice over, or maybe they didn't WANT Jane in it at all. So many possibilities that don't fit into what your assumptions are. Jesus. Stop acting like the filmmakers took a misstep until you are absolutely sure what the hell is going to happen. Up until two days ago it wasn't clear if Paltrow was going to be in the film.

And, I'm sorry fellas, Pepper Potts is way more important than Jane Foster to the MCU. You can't have Stark Industries brandished without Pepper showing up.

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[Poni_Boy]

And you can't have the ending of Thor as it is and not address the situation in the Avengers once Thor sets foot on Earth.

That's how big that ending of Thor was....

...which is the reason why they should've left Thor on Earth at the end of the film. A part of the Avengers film is going to have to explain how he got back and that's time that could be used for something else had they left Thor on Earth at the end of his film.

Sorry, but that's a cop out. The ending of that movie was the ending of that movie. Shoulda, woulda, coulda is irelevant to The Avengers. And Thor shouldn't have to rely on anyone to transport him back and forth between Asgard and Earth. THAT is what they will address in this film, and I doubt it'll take more than 2 minutes of screentime.

[J.Howlett]

Here's a thought: they're probably going to address the situation

They better...in a satisfactory way.

[Poni_Boy]

Here's a thought: they're probably going to address the situation

Common sense. You has it.

[J.Howlett]

Sorry, but that's a cop out. The ending of that movie was the ending of that movie. Shoulda, woulda, coulda is irelevant to The Avengers. And Thor shouldn't have to rely on anyone to transport him back and forth between Asgard and Earth. THAT is what they will address in this film, and I doubt it'll take more than 2 minutes of screentime.

How the hell is it a cop out? Joss Whedon is juggling at least 9 major characters. Why spend a minute trying to explain to the audience how Thor got back and why he does/doesn't seek out Jane when the simple solution would've been for him to destroy the BiFrost at the end of the film and some how it transports him back to Earth, with Jane.

Very simple and no time wasted in the "biggest comic book movie of all-time" on explaining Thor's situation.

[Chewy]

The ending of Thor works in this movie's favor, in the sense that it sets up the big brawl between the big three. If Thor had been on Earth for the past two years (in the film's timeline) he probably would have learned who Tony Stark and Captain America were, and probably even met them. As it stands now he has no clue who they are and has no qualms about ordering them to hand Loki over

[BigThor]

Personally, Jane showing up isn't as important to me as explaining just how Thor gets back to Earth. That's my one curious point.

I agree, I'll worry about Thor and Jane's relationship when THOR II rolls around (not much though).

[Drummerdude7]

Sorry, but that's a cop out. The ending of that movie was the ending of that movie. Shoulda, woulda, coulda is irelevant to The Avengers. And Thor shouldn't have to rely on anyone to transport him back and forth between Asgard and Earth. THAT is what they will address in this film, and I doubt it'll take more than 2 minutes of screentime.

Agreed. Loki was able to do it, as well as getting the Frost Giants into Asgard, and we didn't get an explanation for that. I guess an explanation for Thor is craved because of the ending of his film and how he relied solely on the Bifrost.

[Kirmit]

And you can't have the ending of Thor as it is and not address the situation in the Avengers once Thor sets foot on Earth.

That's how big that ending of Thor was....

...which is the reason why they should've left Thor on Earth at the end of the film. A part of the Avengers film is going to have to explain how he got back and that's time that could be used for something else had they left Thor on Earth at the end of his film.

All they need is a very short scene of Thor saying to maybe Selvig that he figured out his hammer could create portals, it's not going to take out a huge chunk of the film.

[Poni_Boy]

How the hell is it a cop out? Joss Whedon is juggling at least 9 major characters. Why spend a minute trying to explain to the audience how Thor got back and why he does/doesn't seek out Jane when the simple solution would've been for him to destroy the BiFrost at the end of the film and some how it transports him back to Earth, with Jane.

Very simple and no time wasted in the "biggest comic book movie of all-time" on explaining Thor's situation.


It's a cop out because you CAN'T change the ending to Thor because it already happened. So why ***** about it? What purpose does it serve and how is it relevant to speculation about this movie? It's not. At all.

I trust Joss Whedon and the MS team to not leave a big loophole like "how does Thor show back up?" in this movie. They're not idiots.

[J.Howlett]

Agreed. Loki was able to do it, as well as getting the Frost Giants into Asgard, and we didn't get an explanation for that. I guess an explanation for Thor is craved because of the ending of his film and how he relied solely on the Bifrost.

Because Loki's a master of magic. That's not really Thor's thing.

Just think about the end of Thor if Thor destroys the BiFrost, gets transported to Earth, Loki's presumed dead...and then you have a situation that's somewhat tragic in that Odin, Frigga, the Warrior's Three, and Sif think that both Loki and Thor are lost.

Thor's on Earth, under the watchful eye of SHIELD, when all of sudden strange crap starts happening on Earth and Thor easily recognizes it, tells Fury to get some troops assembled and we're right into the film....

Not saying my way is correct or not but at least, you're not wasting time.

Plus, we all know that Thor's going to be taking Loki back to Asgard at the end of the film. Think about the scene at the end of this film or the beginning of Thor 2 that has Thor show up on Asgard and everyone's delighted to see him alive, with a captured Loki and then you're right into Thor 2's narrative...

[J.Howlett]

It's a cop out because you CAN'T change the ending to Thor because it already happened. So why ***** about it? What purpose does it serve and how is it relevant to speculation about this movie? It's not. At all.

I trust Joss Whedon and the MS team to not leave a big loophole like "how does Thor show back up?" in this movie. They're not idiots.

I'm not sore about it. It's just a wasted opportunity by Marvel, in terms of story structure, had they really thought it through.

Again, any time wasted explaining Thor's situation is wasted time when it comes to the amount of stuff that has to happen in this film narrative that Whedon has cooked up.

[BigThor]

Because Loki's a master of magic. That's not really Thor's thing.

Just think about the end of Thor if Thor destroys the BiFrost, gets transported to Earth, Loki's presumed dead...and then you have a situation that's somewhat tragic in that Odin, Frigga, the Warrior's Three, and Sif think that both Loki and Thor are lost.

Thor's on Earth, under the watchful eye of SHIELD, when all of sudden strange crap starts happening on Earth and Thor easily recognizes it, tells Fury to get some troops assembled and we're right into the film....

Not saying my way is correct or not but at least, you're not wasting time.

Plus, we all know that Thor's going to be taking Loki back to Asgard at the end of the film. Think about the scene at the end of this film or the beginning of Thor 2 that has Thor show up on Asgard and everyone's delighted to see him alive, with a captured Loki and then you're right into Thor 2's narrative...

Nah I think I like what actually happened more than this, it's not a bad idea though it could've worked.

[Chewy]

Because Loki's a master of magic. That's not really Thor's thing.

Just think about the end of Thor if Thor destroys the BiFrost, gets transported to Earth, Loki's presumed dead...and then you have a situation that's somewhat tragic in that Odin, Frigga, the Warrior's Three, and Sif think that both Loki and Thor are lost.

Thor's on Earth, under the watchful eye of SHIELD, when all of sudden strange crap starts happening on Earth and Thor easily recognizes it, tells Fury to get some troops assembled and we're right into the film....

Not saying my way is correct or not but at least, you're not wasting time.

Plus, we all know that Thor's going to be taking Loki back to Asgard at the end of the film. Think about the scene at the end of this film or the beginning of Thor 2 that has Thor show up on Asgard and everyone's delighted to see him alive, with a captured Loki and then you're right into Thor 2's narrative...
Again, Thor being under SHIELD's watchful eye this whole time and knowing who Stark and Cap (who are celebrities) are takes away from the story that's being told here

[Poni_Boy]

I'm not sore about it. It's just a wasted opportunity by Marvel, in terms of story structure, had they really thought it through.

Again, any time wasted explaining Thor's situation is wasted time when it comes to the amount of stuff that has to happen in this film narrative that Whedon has cooked up.

Watch. The. Movie. Until then, any definitive claim of "wasted time" is pointless. Leaving Thor on Earth would have changed his first interaction with Cap and Iron Man in the film universe.

[metaphysician]

Eh, honestly, I'd rather they save Thanos for a hypothetical future Marvel cosmic movie. The Avengers have plenty of decent villains of their own without delving into guys who are, really, part of other rogues galleries. I'd sooner they use Ultron, Kang, and the Masters of Evil.

[Poni_Boy]

Again, Thor being under SHIELD's watchful eye this whole time and knowing who Stark and Cap (who are celebrities) are takes away from the story that's being told here

Exactly. We wouldn't get the Thor vs IM and Cap scene if he had been on Earth the whole time. This movie, even though it's a culmination of five others, HAS to tell a standalone story. Everything integral that has happened will be touched upon for the GA. The filmmakers know this.

[J.Howlett]

Watch. The. Movie. Until then, any definitive claim of "wasted time" is pointless.

Yes sir. Goodness, can we not discuss anything anymore?

[Drummerdude7]

Kang or Thanos would be sweet. I don't want Ultron without Hank Pym, but that's just me.

[J.Howlett]

Exactly. We wouldn't get the Thor vs IM and Cap scene if he had been on Earth the whole time. This movie, even though it's a culmination of five others, HAS to tell a standalone story. Everything integral that has happened will be touched upon for the GA. The filmmakers know this.

It won't standalone. By the very definition of how these characters come together in this film, it's not a standalone.

No matter what they say, you have to have seen the previous films to understand, at least, 30% of this movie.

Standalone, this is not.

[Drummerdude7]

It won't standalone. By the very definition of how these characters come together in this film, it's not a standalone.

No matter what they say, you have to have seen the previous films to understand, at least, 30% of this movie.

Standalone, this is not.

I wouldn't say that's completely true. Friends of mine watching this had never seen Iron Man or Hulk...which we watched afterwards, but they understood Thor just fine, even the parts involving SHIELD

[Poni_Boy]

Yes sir. Goodness, can we not discuss anything anymore?

Of course, but you're making definitive claims about things that will waste time in this film or should have happened in the last. It's irrelevant because you haven't seen the film, and you can't change the last one.

Discussion is one thing, but you've already made your mind up about aspects of this film that you haven't seen.


It won't standalone. By the very definition of how these characters come together in this film, it's not a standalone.

No matter what they say, you have to have seen the previous films to understand, at least, 30% of this movie.

Standalone, this is not.

Again, until you see this movie, how do you know? People said the same thing about Serenity and Firefly, and they were wrong.

[J.Howlett]

But, to have investment in the characters totally and the narrative, you have to have seen the previous films.

This is the culmination of five films worth of "mostly consistent" work. You can't go into this film completely not having seen the previous five films. You wouldn't really care about what's going on with the characters....unless Joss Whedon does a massive prologue explaining all the characters...and then that makes the previous five films pointless if he did so.

[HUMANIMAL]

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[Chewy]

It's not standalone but the ending to Thor informs this film quite a bit. The movie takes place 2 years after TIH/IM2/Thor. Thor having lived on Earth for 2 years would have greatly changed the dynamic the team would have had

[Poni_Boy]

But, to have investment in the characters totally and the narrative, you have to have seen the previous films.

This is the culmination of five films worth of "mostly consistent" work. You can't go into this film completely not having seen the previous five films. You wouldn't really care about what's going on with the characters....unless Joss Whedon does a massive prologue explaining all the characters...and then that makes the previous five films pointless if he did so.

...gee, why do I get the feeling you've already made up your mind about this film

[Chewy]

But, to have investment in the characters totally and the narrative, you have to have seen the previous films.

This is the culmination of five films worth of "mostly consistent" work. You can't go into this film completely not having seen the previous five films. You wouldn't really care about what's going on with the characters....unless Joss Whedon does a massive prologue explaining all the characters...and then that makes the previous five films pointless if he did so.
People enjoyed The Dark Knight without having seen Batman Begins

If people who haven't seen any of the previous 5 films can't enjoy this film on its own merits then it will have failed

[J.Howlett]

Of course, but you're making definitive claims about things that will waste time in this film or should have happened in the last. It's irrelevant because you haven't seen the film, and you can't change the last one.

Discussion is one thing, but you've already made your mind up about aspects of this film that you haven't seen.




Again, until you see this movie, how do you know? People said the same thing about Serenity and Firefly, and they were wrong.

I just see some narrative hiccups at the beginning of this film that could've been avoided had Marvel thought out this entire Universe they've tried to build from day one. Not totally thought out but a nice sizeable outline from Iron Man to Avengers.

[Poni_Boy]

People enjoyed The Dark Knight without having seen Batman Begins

If people who haven't seen any of the previous 5 films can't enjoy this film on its own merits then it will have failed

Ala Iron Man 2, to an extent.

[Drummerdude7]

But, to have investment in the characters totally and the narrative, you have to have seen the previous films.

This is the culmination of five films worth of "mostly consistent" work. You can't go into this film completely not having seen the previous five films. You wouldn't really care about what's going on with the characters....unless Joss Whedon does a massive prologue explaining all the characters...and then that makes the previous five films pointless if he did so.

I understand what you mean.

My boss is going into this film having seen none of the previous films. He thought it looks awesome from the trailers and has asked me about it in passing. So it's not completely necessary, but to have a more detailed understanding, then yeah I get what you're saying.

And from rumors, it sounds like there will be a short prologue summing up the previous films.

[J.Howlett]

...gee, why do I get the feeling you've already made up your mind about this film

Gee, get off your high horse. I haven't. I'm very, very curious to see how they solve certain things in this film. I didn't say Joss wouldn't. I'm curious to see how...

[J.Howlett]

I understand what you mean.

My boss is going into this film having seen none of the previous films. He thought it looks awesome from the trailers and has asked me about it in passing. So it's not completely necessary, but to have a more detailed understanding, then yeah I get what you're saying.

And from rumors, it sounds like there will be a short prologue summing up the previous films.

And I was curious to see if they did that. That should be an interesting prologue. Hopefully, they took their cue from how Peter Jackson did the prologue in The Fellowship of the Ring.

That's about the best way to handle a wealth of exposition to understand the story you're about to watch.

[xeno000]

I just see some narrative hiccups at the beginning of this film that could've been avoided had Marvel thought out this entire Universe they've tried to build from day one. Not totally thought out but a nice sizeable outline from Iron Man to Avengers.


You can't possibly know that there are "narrative hiccups" until you actually see the film. All you are doing is assuming that there are problems at this point, and providing your idea of a solution where none may be needed.

[Poni_Boy]

I just see some narrative hiccups at the beginning of this film that could've been avoided had Marvel thought out this entire Universe they've tried to build from day one. Not totally thought out but a nice sizeable outline from Iron Man to Avengers.

Yes, I understand that you obviously find problems in the stories already released. So do I and so do many other fans. But using "I would have changed this" to justify a foregone conclusion about this upcoming film makes no sense. You can't change the past, so why not focus your cognitive reasoning on how THIS film will play out within the already established parameters? It seems to make a whole lot more sense, and stops you from making definitive statements about a film you haven't seen.

[Drummerdude7]

Yeah, while background isnt entirely necessary, it definitely informs the viewers a hundred times better and gets them more invested

[J.Howlett]

Poni,

Here's my mind set; I haven't bought any of the films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe yet because I'm waiting on the Avengers. I'm waiting to see if the investment, on Blu Ray, will be worth it.

And that has everything to do with how this film works, in conjunction with the previous five.

I'm ready to pull the trigger...but that all depends on Joss.

[Silvermoon]

Because Loki's a master of magic. That's not really Thor's thing.

Just think about the end of Thor if Thor destroys the BiFrost, gets transported to Earth, Loki's presumed dead...and then you have a situation that's somewhat tragic in that Odin, Frigga, the Warrior's Three, and Sif think that both Loki and Thor are lost.

Thor's on Earth, under the watchful eye of SHIELD, when all of sudden strange crap starts happening on Earth and Thor easily recognizes it, tells Fury to get some troops assembled and we're right into the film....

Not saying my way is correct or not but at least, you're not wasting time.

Plus, we all know that Thor's going to be taking Loki back to Asgard at the end of the film. Think about the scene at the end of this film or the beginning of Thor 2 that has Thor show up on Asgard and everyone's delighted to see him alive, with a captured Loki and then you're right into Thor 2's narrative...
Regarding bolded sections, doesn't this completely undermine Heimdall's power though (and possibly Odin's as well - I could be mistaken on that, I've admitted I'm not a comic book reader)? They wouldn't worry because they thanks to at least Heimdall, they would know exactly where he is and that he's okay. Loki of course would remain a question mark because we already know (thanks to the Thor movie) that he can hide himself from Heimdall's gaze quite effectively.

You bring up an interesting proposition/idea... but personally I don't agree with it. I'm fine with how Thor ended and I'm anxious to see how that ending ties into Avengers. I read what was leaked of the Storybook and when it described how Thor shows up, I got ridiculously giddy. I don't think I'd have that type of excitement if Thor has been on earth for 2 years and we don't get to have this showdown where Thor realizes IM & Cap are the good guys. Him having been on earth for that long would, to me, feel incredibley anti-climatic in terms of the team "coming together"

Just my opinion though

[Drummerdude7]

Poni,

Here's my mind set; I haven't bought any of the films in the Marvel Cinematic Universe yet because I'm waiting on the Avengers. I'm waiting to see if the investment, on Blu Ray, will be worth it.

And that has everything to do with how this film works, in conjunction with the previous five.

I'm ready to pull the trigger...but that all depends on Joss.

Damn you just made me realize there's probably going to be a huge blu ray box set. I've bought em all separately :'-(

[Poni_Boy]

Gee, get off your high horse. I haven't. I'm very, very curious to see how they solve certain things in this film. I didn't say Joss wouldn't. I'm curious to see how...

No high horse involved, I'm responding to the particular emphasis in your statements. Don't highlight points like "mostly consistent" or "wasting time" when you have no idea what the outcome is. You seem to have already made up your mind that this film can't properly tie into the last one(s) because you see a "better" way it "should" have played out. That, as I said, makes no sense until you see this film.

[J.Howlett]

Yes, I understand that you obviously find problems in the stories already released. So do I and so do many other fans. But using "I would have changed this" to justify a foregone conclusion about this upcoming film makes no sense. You can't change the past, so why not focus your cognitive reasoning on how THIS film will play out within the already established parameters? It seems to make a whole lot more sense, and stops you from making definitive statements about a film you haven't seen.

We'll see.

[J.Howlett]

Regarding bolded sections, doesn't this completely undermine Heimdall's power though (and possibly Odin's as well - I could be mistaken on that, I've admitted I'm not a comic book reader)?

I thought about that after I typed it...

[J.Howlett]

No high horse involved, I'm responding to the particular emphasis in your statements. Don't highlight points like "mostly consistent" or "wasting time" when you have no idea what the outcome is. You seem to have already made up your mind that this film can't properly tie into the last one(s) because you see a "better" way it "should" have played out. That, as I said, makes no sense until you see this film.

Well, I don't think the films have been all the way consistent from Iron Man to Captain America. That's just my opinion. Again, it's solid.

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah, while background isnt entirely necessary, it definitely informs the viewers a hundred times better and gets them more invested

Exactly. MS can't set a "you have to see the previous five films for this one one make sense" precedent with this film. They just can't. It has to standalone as it's own complete story. At this point the previous films are nothing more than prologues.

[J.Howlett]

Damn you just made me realize there's probably going to be a huge blu ray box set. I've bought em all separately :'-(

Bingo!

[Chewy]

Damn you just made me realize there's probably going to be a huge blu ray box set. I've bought em all separately :'-(
Since Poni's here maybe he can answer this: CAN they make a huge blu ray boxset? Considering Universal produced the TIH BRDs while Paramount produced the others?

[J.Howlett]

Exactly. MS can't set a "you have to see the previous five films or this one one make sense" precedent with this film. They just can't. It has to standalone as it's own complete story. At this point the previous films are nothing more than prologues.

And they feel that way. And that's been my main issue with the Cinematic Universe from the get go.

None of the films have been real stories. They're all warm ups to the real story. And damn it, the real story better have been worth the franchise building that's hampered some narrative opportunities loss within in the individual character films.

[J.Howlett]

Since Poni's here maybe he can answer this: CAN they make a huge blu ray boxset? Considering Universal produced the TIH BRDs while Paramount produced the others?

Universal doesn't own The Incredible Hulk. They just distributed it. Marvel can make a box set of all the films. Just look at the Rocky Collection on Blu Ray.

[Chewy]

Universal doesn't own The Incredible Hulk. They just distributed it. Marvel can make a box set of all the films.
But Universal owns the rights to produce the TIH DVDs.

[Kirmit]

What do people think the pacing of the film will be like? I've noticed Marvel's films tend to be composed of alot of short scenes, quickly jumping from one scene to the next, this doesn't seem like Whedon's style to me but do you think they'll keep going like this?

[Poni_Boy]

And they feel that way. And that's been my main issue with the Cinematic Universe from the get go.

None of the films have been real stories. They're all warm ups to the real story. And damn it, the real story better have been worth the franchise building that's hampered some narrative opportunities loss within in the individual character films.

You're misinterpreting what I said. The previous ones ARE standalone films (with the exception of IM2; but the release switch between that and Thor was the big issue). You don't HAVE to watch The Avengers to enjoy any of the five previous ones. Just like you don't have to watch the previous five to enjoy The Avengers.

You're saying that neither TIH, Thor, Cap or IM were "real stories"? Really?

[Poni_Boy]

Since Poni's here maybe he can answer this: CAN they make a huge blu ray boxset? Considering Universal produced the TIH BRDs while Paramount produced the others?

Last I heard (this was back in December) Disney got the green light from Uni for the compilation set.

EDIT: That's not saying Uni won't get a cut of the set. They're getting a cut from the Marvel marathon AMC is hosting in May.

[Drummerdude7]

And they feel that way. And that's been my main issue with the Cinematic Universe from the get go.

None of the films have been real stories. They're all warm ups to the real story. And damn it, the real story better have been worth the franchise building that's hampered some narrative opportunities loss within in the individual character films.

I would agree with all except for the first Iron Man. Maybe TIH too

[captainrogers]

It won't standalone. By the very definition of how these characters come together in this film, it's not a standalone.

No matter what they say, you have to have seen the previous films to understand, at least, 30% of this movie.

Standalone, this is not.

I think it is. Especially if it has that supposed voice over at the beginning explaining the status quo of this Universe as it stands up to that point.
My first exposure to Firefly actually came from watching Serenity.
I loved that movie.
It was after that that I found out about the entire series that preceded it.
Whedon proved (to me) that he was able to make an interesting, coherent movie without me having to go thru the cinematic version of it's "back issues".
(but I wanted to, just the same)

[Splat]

KF has said in multiple interviews you won't have to have seen any of the previous films to enjoy the Avengers.

[J.Howlett]

But Universal owns the rights to produce the TIH DVDs.

I'm sure Marvel/Disney will have to pay some type of licensing fee in order to do a box set of the films under the Marvel/Disney label.

[Poni_Boy]

I think it is. Especially if it has that supposed voice over at the beginning explaining the status quo of this Universe as it stands up to that point.
My first exposure to Firefly actually came from watching Serenity.
I loved that movie.
It was after that that I found out about the entire series that preceded it.
Whedon proved (to me) that he was able to make an interesting, coherent movie without me having to go thru the cinematic version of it's "back issues".
(but I wanted to, just the same)

Yep, and so many other fans of that franchise as well. That proves, like I said earlier, you can have two standalone properties in the same universe that both coincide with each other and can be enjoyed separately as well. Which is obviously what they are attempting with Avengers.

[J.Howlett]

I think it is. Especially if it has that supposed voice over at the beginning explaining the status quo of this Universe as it stands up to that point.

Huh. Interesting, a voice over. Has that been confirmed or pure speculation?

[Poni_Boy]

KF has said in multiple interviews you won't have to have seen any of the previous films to enjoy the Avengers.

You are correct. Moreso considering your profile pic.

[Chewy]

Huh. Interesting, a voice over. Has that been confirmed or pure speculation?
One of the visual effects artists talked about it. Said it was voiced over by a female SHIELD agent (speculated to be Cobie)

I believe he was the guy who got fired for violating his NDA :oldrazz:

[J.Howlett]

You're saying that neither TIH, Thor, Cap or IM were "real stories"? Really?

Only the first Iron Man is a real story. Captain America would've been a real story had it not been for the awful prologue and epilogue. I've said my piece on those two bone headed decisions.

And make no mistake, Thor's my favorite film of the Universe, so far. It's the best but it's my favorite. But, it's not a standalone at all. Most of it is.

[J.Howlett]

One of the visual effects artists talked about it. Said it was voiced over by a female SHIELD agent (speculated to be Cobie)

I believe he was the guy who got fired for violating his NDA :oldrazz:

Interesting. Hopefully with the voice over, they'll show images from the previous films in an unique way.

[Poni_Boy]

Only the first Iron Man is a real story. Captain America would've been a real story had it not been for the awful prologue and epilogue. I've said my piece on those two bone headed decisions.

And make no mistake, Thor's my favorite film of the Universe, so far. It's the best but it's my favorite. But, it's not a standalone at all. Most of it is.

I honestly have no idea if you're being serious or not.

If you are, then what you're saying is that because you didn't like certain aspects of those films they are not "real" stories. Correct?

[Drummerdude7]

Only the first Iron Man is a real story. Captain America would've been a real story had it not been for the awful prologue and epilogue. I've said my piece on those two bone headed decisions.

And make no mistake, Thor's my favorite film of the Universe, so far. It's the best but it's my favorite. But, it's not a standalone at all. Most of it is.

Thor gets better and better with every viewing. But as opposed to Iron Man, it's a lot more SHIELD heavy. Definitely more of a prologue than Iron Man was, though I'd say IM 2 was more of a prologue than Thor

[Drummerdude7]

I honestly have no idea if you're being serious or not.

If you are, then what you're saying is that because you didn't like certain aspects of those films they are not "real" stories. Correct?

I think he's trying to say they are far more tied to making one big universe and foreshadowing the avengers than films like Iron Man that rely more on the singular story about the character. That's how I'm interpreting it lol

[Chewy]

Thor gets better and better with every viewing. But as opposed to Iron Man, it's a lot more SHIELD heavy. Definitely more of a prologue than Iron Man was, though I'd say IM 2 was more of a prologue than Thor
SHIELD in Thor is very organic though. If the Avengers wasn't coming it could have been random FBI agents and it wouldn't have hurt the film at all.

The only ones that I wouldn't consider standalone are IM2 and Cap. Cap because of the bookends.

IM, TIH, and Thor work great as standalone films. CA works great as a direct prequel to Avengers.

[Poni_Boy]

Thor gets better and better with every viewing. But as opposed to Iron Man, it's a lot more SHIELD heavy. Definitely more of a prologue than Iron Man was, though I'd say IM 2 was more of a prologue than Thor

Iron Man 2 was supposed to be released last year as the final solo film before Avengers. Thor was supposed to come out the year Iron Man 2 did. If they had released the films in that (planned) order, I think it would have helped the franchise flow way more smoothly. Unfortunately, what we did get didn't help much.

[J.Howlett]

I honestly have no idea if you're being serious or not.

If you are, then what you're saying is that because you didn't like certain aspects of those films they are not "real" stories. Correct?

There are certain things that don't pay off in Iron Man 2, Thor, or Captain America within each film's narrative for them to be completely standalone. That's my opinion on it....

SHIELD had a pay off in the first Iron Man with them helping Pepper at the end. So, in theory, their place in the story works.

[Poni_Boy]

I think he's trying to say they are far more tied to making one big universe and foreshadowing the avengers than films like Iron Man that rely more on the singular story about the character. That's how I'm interpreting it lol

Well of course that's true, when IM came out MS didn't know if there even WAS going to be an Avengers movie. It all rested on the reception of that film so obviously it was sculpted with more finesse and distance than the rest.

But saying that none of the MS films are "real stories" is laughable.

[Chewy]

Iron Man 2 was supposed to be released last year as the final solo film before Avengers. Thor was supposed to come out the year Iron Man 2 did. If they had released the films in that (planned) order, I think it would have helped the franchise flow way more smoothly. Unfortunately, what we did get didn't help much.
Yeah Thor and Ant-Man were originally supposed to be 2009 films. Before the writers strike delayed everything

I believe CA and IM2 would have been 2010, Avengers 2011

[J.Howlett]

Iron Man 2 was supposed to be released last year as the final solo film before Avengers. Thor was supposed to come out the year Iron Man 2 did. If they had released the films in that (planned) order, I think it would have helped the franchise flow way more smoothly. Unfortunately, what we did get didn't help much.

Huh, I didn't know that. Makes sense in hindsight.

[Drummerdude7]

Iron Man 2 was supposed to be released last year as the final solo film before Avengers. Thor was supposed to come out the year Iron Man 2 did. If they had released the films in that (planned) order, I think it would have helped the franchise flow way more smoothly. Unfortunately, what we did get didn't help much.

I agree, woulda helped considering it was super SHIELD heavy...wasn't as organic as the agents in Thor. But I'm still happy with the way things are.

[J.Howlett]

Thor gets better and better with every viewing. But as opposed to Iron Man, it's a lot more SHIELD heavy. Definitely more of a prologue than Iron Man was, though I'd say IM 2 was more of a prologue than Thor

Yeah, of the five films, Thor's the most fun to watch for some reason. There are things about it that don't work but man, that cast elevates the hell out of that film.

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah Thor and Ant-Man were originally supposed to be 2009 films. Before the writers strike delayed everything

I believe CA and IM2 would have been 2010, Avengers 2011

Yep. Thor had two straight years of production delays. So much so that the SEGA tie-in game was done a year before the movie began filming; which made them have to go back and change lots of visuals in the game.

[Poni_Boy]

Huh, I didn't know that. Makes sense in hindsight.

Yep. Marvel Studios doesn't have bottomless pockets that would help them avoid major production issues such as writers strikes, raises for certain actors and the very best CG effects. They are still a fledgling production house with only a small budget to work off of. A lot of the problems with the previous four films are because the financial resources weren't available. If Avengers pays off, though, that will change.

[Drummerdude7]

Yeah, of the five films, Thor's the most fun to watch for some reason. There are things about it that don't work but man, that cast elevates the hell out of that film.

Absolutely. My girlfriend knew who Thor was but didnt know the details, an she loved Iron Man, and now she loves Thor more than IM1. She killed herself laughing when Thor is at breakfast. The cast is great and the film did a phenomenal job blending reality with fantasy.

[wobbly]

Totally disagree with dismissing the Marvel films so far as just being 'warm ups' to Avengers and not being 'real stories'.

IM1 was a self contained story with no obvious connection to a grander scheme until the post credits Fury scene (which a lot of the audience would have missed first time round!)

TIH had the Super Soldier connection, but that was handled as a fundamental part of its self contained story (knowledge of Cap, Shield, or the Avengers was not required at all to get the idea). There was the last bit with Ross & Stark, but that was originally meant to be post credits as well (Marvel got skittish before release and thought promoting Stark as appearing would help get more bums on seats).

IM2 had the most obvious connections to Avengers within its story, but it was still a self contained story (Tbh I personally think the complaints about the Shield/Avengers references in IM2 are overblown).

Thor had Coulson and Shield, but then the story could have used any government security agency in the role they served. Hawkeye's brief cameo was the most obvious link to Avengers, and again the story was entirely self contained. No need to see the other films at all to enjoy it.

Lastly Captain America, again a self contained story. The only direct links to Avengers coming with the opening discovery scene, Howard Stark's character, and the ending scene with Fury (another one bumped up from post credits from what I have read).

Bottom line is all the Marvel films have been self contained 'real' stories which can be enjoyed independent of each other. IM2 was the only when where knowledge of Fury was presumed within the story (assumption being that anyone who watched IM1 would have gotten round to knowing about that one's post credits scene).

[Spideyfan93]

I remember when Thor and Cap got delayed back in the day and it depressed the hell out of me for a couple weeks but the wait was worth it in my opinion. Even though those 2 films weren't brought to fully realized potential, they are fun stand alone movies.

[J.Howlett]

Yep. Marvel Studios doesn't have bottomless pockets that would help them avoid major production issues such as writers strikes, raises for certain actors and the very best CG effects. They are still a fledgling production house with only a small budget to work off of. A lot of the problems with the previous four films are because the financial resources weren't available. If Avengers pays off, though, that will change.

Thor shows that. It's the cheapest looking of the five. Again, favorite of the five, but cheapest looking of the five.

[Chewy]

Yep. Marvel Studios doesn't have bottomless pockets that would help them avoid major production issues such as writers strikes, raises for certain actors and the very best CG effects. They are still a fledgling production house with only a small budget to work off of. A lot of the problems with the previous four films are because the financial resources weren't available. If Avengers pays off, though, that will change.
The writer's strike probably cost us an Edgar Wright Ant-Man movie :argh:

[Scarlettess]

I'll be at the NYC one. It's slated for April 1st

I hope you don't mind me asking, but how did you get your tickets? I havn't seen any info/ anywhere to buy tickets for it ANYWHERE in the UK, but theres usually a premiere in London correct?

Damn you just made me realize there's probably going to be a huge blu ray box set. I've bought em all separately :'-(

I hope so! I havnt got them on blu-ray yet because I'm hoping this will happen, doesn't really make sense for them not to put out a boxset.

KF has said in multiple interviews you won't have to have seen any of the previous films to enjoy the Avengers.

Which is exactly the way it should be.

Yep, and so many other fans of that franchise as well. That proves, like I said earlier, you can have two standalone properties in the same universe that both coincide with each other and can be enjoyed separately as well. Which is obviously what they are attempting with Avengers.

Agreed.

I agree, woulda helped considering it was super SHIELD heavy...wasn't as organic as the agents in Thor. But I'm still happy with the way things are.

I think it works both ways. Iron Man 2 was definately more SHIELD focused, but seeing as Loki is the villain it also makes sense for Thor to be the last one in the continueity as well. (Yes I know TIH overlaps somewhat, but Thor should definately be the last one watched before Avengers)

[J.Howlett]

Totally disagree with dismissing the Marvel films so far as just being 'warm ups' to Avengers and not being 'real stories'.

IM1 was a self contained story with no obvious connection to a grander scheme until the post credits Fury scene (which a lot of the audience would have missed first time round!)

TIH had the Super Soldier connection, but that was handled as a fundamental part of its self contained story (knowledge of Cap, Shield, or the Avengers was not required at all to get the idea). There was the last bit with Ross & Stark, but that was originally meant to be post credits as well (Marvel got skittish before release and thought promoting Stark as appearing would help get more bums on seats).

IM2 had the most obvious connections to Avengers within its story, but it was still a self contained story (Tbh I personally think the complaints about the Shield/Avengers references in IM2 are overblown).

Thor had Coulson and Shield, but then the story could have used any government security agency in the role they served. Hawkeye's brief cameo was the most obvious link to Avengers, and again the story was entirely self contained. No need to see the other films at all to enjoy it.

Lastly Captain America, again a self contained story. The only direct links to Avengers coming with the opening discovery scene, Howard Stark's character, and the ending scene with Fury (another one bumped up from post credits from what I have read).

Bottom line is all the Marvel films have been self contained 'real' stories which can be enjoyed independent of each other. IM2 was the only when where knowledge of Fury was presumed within the story (assumption being that anyone who watched IM1 would have gotten round to knowing about that one's post credits scene).

Had Thor given SHIELD a proper ending like the first Iron Man movie and dropped Hawkeye, I'd completely agree about Thor.

[Poni_Boy]

Totally disagree with dismissing the Marvel films so far as just being 'warm ups' to Avengers and not being 'real stories'.

IM1 was a self contained story with no obvious connection to a grander scheme until the post credits Fury scene (which a lot of the audience would have missed first time round!)

TIH had the Super Soldier connection, but that was handled as a fundamental part of its self contained story (knowledge of Cap, Shield, or the Avengers was not required at all to get the idea). There was the last bit with Ross & Stark, but that was originally meant to be post credits as well (Marvel got skittish before release and thought promoting Stark as appearing would help get more bums on seats).

IM2 had the most obvious connections to Avengers within its story, but it was still a self contained story (Tbh I personally think the complaints about the Shield/Avengers references in IM2 are overblown).

Thor had Coulson and Shield, but then the story could have used any government security agency in the role they served. Hawkeye's brief cameo was the most obvious link to Avengers, and again the story was entirely self contained. No need to see the other films at all to enjoy it.

Lastly Captain America, again a self contained story. The only direct links to Avengers coming with the opening discovery scene, Howard Stark's character, and the ending scene with Fury (another one bumped up from post credits from what I have read).

Bottom line is all the Marvel films have been self contained 'real' stories which can be enjoyed independent of each other. IM2 was the only when where knowledge of Fury was presumed within the story (assumption being that anyone who watched IM1 would have gotten round to knowing about that one's post credits scene).


You win the internet today

:im: :bh: :thor: :cap:

[Kirmit]

Absolutely. My girlfriend knew who Thor was but didnt know the details, an she loved Iron Man, and now she loves Thor more than IM1. She killed herself laughing when Thor is at breakfast. The cast is great and the film did a phenomenal job blending reality with fantasy.

I think this is what really helped Thor, the cast got on really well and we saw that on screen. Now, the casts in all the other films were equally great but none of those other films had a team feeling, both IM films were mostly just Stark going it alone, TIH had most of the characters at each others throats, CA did have a team with the howling commandos but it was for a very short period, most of the time it was just him. Thor is really the only film that had a team throughout with Thor, the warriors three and Lady Sif then Thor with Jane, Selvig and Darcy, IMO this made the film very enjoyable to watch.

[Poni_Boy]

The writer's strike probably cost us an Edgar Wright Ant-Man movie :argh:

I feel sorry for anyone who still anxiously awaits that movie

[Chewy]

Had Thor given SHIELD a proper ending like the first Iron Man movie and dropped Hawkeye, I'd completely agree about Thor.
Their ending in Iron Man was Coulson's "Give us a call"

Their ending in Thor was Thor's "We fight for the same cause"

It was basically the same ending

[Poni_Boy]

I hope you don't mind me asking, but how did you get your tickets? I havn't seen any info/ anywhere to buy tickets for it ANYWHERE in the UK, but theres usually a premiere in London correct?

There are going to be at least half a dozen premieres. LA/NYC/London/Moscow/Sydney I believe at the ones already confirmed.

I'm a journalist. I didn't buy tickets.

[Drummerdude7]

I think this is what really helped Thor, the cast got on really well and we saw that on screen. Now, the casts in all the other films were equally great but none of those other films had a team feeling, both IM films were mostly just Stark going it alone, TIH had most of the characters at each others throats, CA did have a team with the howling commandos but it was for a very short period, most of the time it was just him. Thor is really the only film that had a team throughout with Thor, the warriors three and Lady Sif then Thor with Jane, Selvig and Darcy, IMO this made the film very enjoyable to watch.

Exactly. My only qualm with the film to this day was that I think Thor should have been stranded a little while longer...but everything else was great. All the characters were bang on and leave things wide open for better development in a sequel.

[J.Howlett]

Their ending in Iron Man was Coulson's "Give us a call"

Their ending in Thor was Thor's "We fight for the same cause"

It was basically the same ending

I'm talking about SHIELD helping our heroes in the climax, thus giving them a reason to be in the narrative. They do that in Iron Man. In Thor, they get their asses handed to them and then Coulson wants to debrief Thor, then basically gone.

[Scarlettess]

There are going to be at least half a dozen premieres. LA/NYC/London/Moscow/Sydney I believe at the ones already confirmed.

I'm a journalist. I didn't buy tickets.

Ah lovely, i might try go to the one in London given if its not sold out already. and lol yeah I didn't realise that :doh: I dont really know how the premiere thing works....if you buy tickets or just turn up etc etc.

[J.Howlett]

Exactly. My only qualm with the noir to this day was that I think Thor should have been stranded a little while longer...but everything else was great. All the characters were bang on and leave things wide open for better development in a sequel.

Yep. Film needs another 15 minutes.

[Poni_Boy]

I'm talking about SHIELD helping our heroes in the climax, thus giving them a reason to be in the narrative. They do that in Iron Man. In Thor, they get their asses handed to them and then Coulson wants to debrief Thor, then basically gone.

Wel... yeah. It's SHIELD, not the FBI or local law enforcement. They are a clandestine organization which means they don't follow typical rules and acting patterns. They do what they gotta do then get the heck out. I'm sure the only reason they even wear suits are a bane attempt to look official for civilians.

[Scarlettess]

Exactly. My only qualm with the noir to this day was that I think Thor should have been stranded a little while longer...but everything else was great. All the characters were bang on and leave things wide open for better development in a sequel.

I agree, in fact I know its suppose to be two days, but in the context of the movie itself, Thor could have been held in the SHIELD cell for however long you imagine, before Jane comes picking him up. Also the pacing and context of the film make it feel like hes been on earth alot longer then he actually has.

[Poni_Boy]

Ah lovely, i might try go to the one in London given if its not sold out already. and lol yeah I didn't realise that :doh: I dont really know how the premiere thing works....if you buy tickets or just turn up etc etc.

Fans usually wait in line to see the celebs show up for the red carpet but that's about it. They don't get to walk the carpet or go into the screening with the cast. Sometimes they'll have tickets for sale to the movie itself but that's highly unlikely for this considering how many crew/cast members, family and friends there are that will be showing up.

[Chewy]

I'm talking about SHIELD helping our heroes in the climax, thus giving them a reason to be in the narrative. They do that in Iron Man. In Thor, they get their asses handed to them and then Coulson wants to debrief Thor, then basically gone.
They are in Iron Man to help him along. They help Pepper avoid Stane, they help her look into his work

They are in Thor to hinder his progression. They present an obstacle to him getting to his hammer, and provide a reason for Jane to go back to get Thor (they took her equipment)

They essentially serve opposite roles in the two narratives, one as quasi-ally and one as quasi-villain. They simply serve to help our hero's story along. They don't really get a conclusion in either, they're background characters with open endings

[Poni_Boy]

They don't really get a conclusion in either, they're background characters with open endings

My biggest problem with SHIELD's appearance in these films is the fan reaction. It seems like they are just never happy and want MOAR, across the board. If someone had told me in 2002 that in a decade's time we would have Marvel superhero movies that tie together and use SHIELD as the rope, I would have laughed out loud.

They are a plot device. They help the story along. Up until Avengers, they aren't really important. They are there first and foremost for the fans.

[Scarlettess]

Fans usually wait in line to see the celebs show up for the red carpet but that's about it. They don't get to walk the carpet or go into the screening with the cast. Sometimes they'll have tickets for sale to the movie itself but that's highly unlikely for this considering how many crew/cast members, family and friends there are that will be showing up.

Ah thanks for the info! I always assumed it was like a pre-screening but with the cast there too, but never really looked into it before lol.

[J.Howlett]

Wel... yeah. It's SHIELD, not the FBI or local law enforcement. They are a clandestine organization which means they don't follow typical rules and acting patterns. They do what they gotta do then get the heck out. I'm sure the only reason they even wear suits are a bane attempt to look official for civilians.

I'm not against SHIELD being in Thor. Of all the films, it organically makes sense for them to be there. I'm just saying that had they found a better resolution/use for them in the climax, I wouldn't have a problem with the feel of how they're left at the end of the film.

[wobbly]

I'm talking about SHIELD helping our heroes in the climax, thus giving them a reason to be in the narrative. They do that in Iron Man. In Thor, they get their asses handed to them and then Coulson wants to debrief Thor, then basically gone.

They had a reason to be in the narrative: An alien artefact of immense power lands in the desert and proves impossible to move from its location would tend to draw the attention of any Governments security agencies.

[J.Howlett]

They are in Iron Man to help him along. They help Pepper avoid Stane, they help her look into his work

They are in Thor to hinder his progression. They present an obstacle to him getting to his hammer, and provide a reason for Jane to go back to get Thor (they took her equipment)

They essentially serve opposite roles in the two narratives, one as quasi-ally and one as quasi-villain. They simply serve to help our hero's story along. They don't really get a conclusion in either, they're background characters with open endings

They are not in Thor to hinder him. They are there to find answers to an anomaly in the town that can't be explained.

Big difference.

[Chewy]

I'm not against SHIELD being in Thor. Of all the films, it organically makes sense for them to be there. I'm just saying that had they found a better resolution/use for them in the climax, I wouldn't have a problem with the feel of how they're left at the end of the film.
Their inclusion in the climaxes is fairly similar, too

They go to the Warrors 3/Sif's landing spot to investigate and the Destroyer blows up their cars, likely killing most of them

What more should they have done?

In Iron Man they went to help Pepper and Stane killed most of them before Tony showed up

[J.Howlett]

They had a reason to be in the narrative: An alien artefact of immense power lands in the desert and proves impossible to move from its location would tend to draw the attention of any Governments security agencies.

Yeah. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how they're left at the end of the film.

[Chewy]

They are not in Thor to hinder him. They are there to find answers to an anomaly in the town that can't be explained.

Big difference.
Narratively speaking they're a hindrance.

[xeno000]

Totally disagree with dismissing the Marvel films so far as just being 'warm ups' to Avengers and not being 'real stories'.

IM1 was a self contained story with no obvious connection to a grander scheme until the post credits Fury scene (which a lot of the audience would have missed first time round!)

TIH had the Super Soldier connection, but that was handled as a fundamental part of its self contained story (knowledge of Cap, Shield, or the Avengers was not required at all to get the idea). There was the last bit with Ross & Stark, but that was originally meant to be post credits as well (Marvel got skittish before release and thought promoting Stark as appearing would help get more bums on seats).

IM2 had the most obvious connections to Avengers within its story, but it was still a self contained story (Tbh I personally think the complaints about the Shield/Avengers references in IM2 are overblown).

Thor had Coulson and Shield, but then the story could have used any government security agency in the role they served. Hawkeye's brief cameo was the most obvious link to Avengers, and again the story was entirely self contained. No need to see the other films at all to enjoy it.

Lastly Captain America, again a self contained story. The only direct links to Avengers coming with the opening discovery scene, Howard Stark's character, and the ending scene with Fury (another one bumped up from post credits from what I have read).

Bottom line is all the Marvel films have been self contained 'real' stories which can be enjoyed independent of each other. IM2 was the only when where knowledge of Fury was presumed within the story (assumption being that anyone who watched IM1 would have gotten round to knowing about that one's post credits scene).


Excellent post. I completely agree with your assessment. A lot of the objections to the peripheral ties between the films are nothing but a bunch of overwrought whining to me. Some fans need nits to pick and will go out of their way to find them, then harp on them for years.


The main objection seems to be that the movies have any connections at all, as some seem upset that Marvel has created a shared universe for its characters. The irony is that if Marvel behaved like WB and left its franchises unconnected, people would be whining about that.

[J.Howlett]

Narratively speaking they're a hindrance.

They become that. They didn't start that way.

[Poni_Boy]

The main objection seems to be that the movies have any connections at all, as some seem upset that Marvel has created a shared universe for its characters. The irony is that if Marvel behaved like WB and left its franchises unconnected, people would be whining about that.

Yahtzee

[wobbly]

Yeah. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how they're left at the end of the film.

Gotcha.

And they were given some resolution after Thor leaves for Asgard: In the final moments when Jane, Darcy and Selvig are getting ready to go storm chasing again Selvig says: "Have we got the Shield satellite codes?"

From this we can see that they not only gave Jane all her equipment back but are now helping her in finding another route to Asgard.

They expanded on that in the post credits bit as well.

[Chewy]

They become that. They didn't start that way.
Yeah in terms of the film. But when the screenwriters sat to plot the film out, it's clear they included SHIELD as an obstacle for our hero, ostensibly a "villain" from his point of view for the majority of the film

[TheGambler]

New international banners:

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/ironman-hulk-225x100.jpg

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/captain-america-thor-225x100.jpg

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/hawkeye-black-widow-225x100.jpg

[Drummerdude7]

Gotcha.

And they were given some resolution after Thor leaves for Asgard: In the final moments when Jane, Darcy and Selvig are getting ready to go storm chasing again Selvig says: "Have we got the Shield satellite codes?"

From this we can see that they not only gave Jane all her equipment back but are now helping her in finding another route to Asgard.

They expanded on that in the post credits bit as well.

The post-credits scene really intrigued me.

Especially when Selvig says "A gateway to another dimension...it's unprecendented. Isn't it?" And Fury is silent.

Leads me to maintain my belief that SHIELD knows more about the cube that they haven't revealed yet...or at least know that it can open portals the way it opened up for Skull...that and the invaders are in fact from one of the nine realms.

[Nova2113]

http://i41.tinypic.com/24fgpio.jpg

Translation of text: "I want you to go in that bag, and find my wallet. It's the one that says Bad Mother******."

Now that is entertaining :awesome:

[xeno000]

My biggest problem with SHIELD's appearance in these films is the fan reaction. It seems like they are just never happy and want MOAR, across the board. If someone had told me in 2002 that in a decade's time we would have Marvel superhero movies that tie together and use SHIELD as the rope, I would have laughed out loud.

They are a plot device. They help the story along. Up until Avengers, they aren't really important. They are there first and foremost for the fans.


SHIELD serves a larger purpose than merely pleasing the fans, IMO. The organization provides the mechanism and the impetus for forming the Avengers and, more broadly, for introducing and managing other heroes on down the line. Instead of having the heroes "accidentally" meeting and forming a team to face a foe, Nick Fury and SHIELD have identified various super-powered beings and done much of the prep work.


In the context of the MCU this works perfectly. The audience doesn't have to swallow the idea that everyone randomly comes together, conflict is built into the setup and the story can flow from that. SHIELD worked a lot better than Rick Jones and his Teen Brigade calling in the heroes on their ham radios.

[sabetoonth]

How far off might I be, if I guessed after watching CA:TF, that the cube may have sent Skull not through the realms but possibly through time? Can the cube even do that? I dont know much about it

[xeno000]

New international banners:

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/ironman-hulk-225x100.jpg

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/captain-america-thor-225x100.jpg

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/hawkeye-black-widow-225x100.jpg


Oh, I love those! Anyone who complained about Tony not wearing his helmet should be appeased. Hawkeye looks terrific.

[Poni_Boy]

SHIELD serves a larger purpose than merely pleasing the fans, IMO. The organization provides the mechanism and the impetus for forming the Avengers and, more broadly, for introducing and managing other heroes on down the line. Instead of having the heroes "accidentally" meeting and forming a team to face a foe, Nick Fury and SHIELD have identified various super-powered beings and done much of the prep work.


In the context of the MCU this works perfectly. The audience doesn't have to swallow the idea that everyone randomly comes together, conflict is built into the setup and the story can flow from that. SHIELD worked a lot better than Rick Jones and his Teen Brigade calling in the heroes on their ham radios.

Yes, that is their larger purpose; but they were introduced/utilized first and foremost as fan service in the hopes that the theme could be expanded upon down the road. Had Iron Man not been received well, the SHIELD references may have been a mute point in future Marvel Studios films. With the exception of Captain America, none of the films truly need SHIELD. Any clandestine/government/corporation could have stood in.

[Drummerdude7]

Yeah I don't mind SHIELD serving the role they do. They're a global security force, so it's only logical that they would be involved in superhero activity in some capacity. Their "extended" presence in IM 2 didn't bother me as much as it did others...I would've liked to see a little less of them, but I liked how they had a hand in assisting Tony and showed that he wasn't able to solve everything, even though he thinks he can.

[wobbly]

How far off might I be, if I guessed after watching CA:TF, that the cube may have sent Skull not through the realms but possibly through time? Can the cube even do that? I dont know much about it

With the movies Cube (or Tesseract as its called for them) we don't know yet. So far we know it can be used as a power source (red Skulls weapons) and (almost certainly) can open an 'Einstein-Rosen Bridge' but Time travel is an unknown.

The comic book Cosmic Cube is a different beast. Basic idea is that it can grant the wishes & desires of anyone who holds it (can alter reality).

[xeno000]

How far off might I be, if I guessed after watching CA:TF, that the cube may have sent Skull not through the realms but possibly through time? Can the cube even do that? I dont know much about it


The Cube can do damn near anything that the person wielding it wills it to do. Its main ability is the power to warp reality, reshape it to suit the person who controls it. The Red Skull was obsessed with Odin's treasures and with Asgard, so he might have inadvertently willed the Cube to transport him to Asgard.

[J.Howlett]

Gotcha.

And they were given some resolution after Thor leaves for Asgard: In the final moments when Jane, Darcy and Selvig are getting ready to go storm chasing again Selvig says: "Have we got the Shield satellite codes?"

From this we can see that they not only gave Jane all her equipment back but are now helping her in finding another route to Asgard.

They expanded on that in the post credits bit as well.

True. Again, I say Thor is very close to being standalone...

[sabetoonth]

With the movies Cube (or Tesseract as its called for them) we don't know yet. So far we know it can be used as a power source (red Skulls weapons) and (almost certainly) can open an 'Einstein-Rosen Bridge' but Time travel is an unknown.

The comic book Cosmic Cube is a different beast. Basic idea is that it can grant the wishes & desires of anyone who holds it (can alter reality).

The Cube can do damn near anything that the person wielding it wills it to do. Its main ability is the power to warp reality, reshape it to suit the person who controls it. The Red Skull was obsessed with Odin's treasures and with Asgard, so he might have inadvertently willed the Cube to transport him to Asgard.

the ability to warp reality Im aware of, as I am the theory he was sent to Asgard or another of the nine realms, but I also recall him talking about he future, so it was just an idea.

And it could be used as a way to bring him back in future films without freezing or something of hat sort

[gugumugats]

Yes, that is their larger purpose; but they were introduced/utilized first and foremost as fan service in the hopes that the theme could be expanded upon down the road. Had Iron Man not been received well, the SHIELD references may have been a mute point in future Marvel Studios films. With the exception of Captain America, none of the films truly need SHIELD. Any clandestine/government/corporation could have stood in.

Good point. I kind of made the same point about a shared DC Universe when people kept arguing that MCU had SHIELD to tie all the movies together. SHIELD in all the MCU movies (other than IM2 and CATFA) were more reactionary to the arrival of the superheroes rather than a play a large irreplaceable (key word, ireeplaceable) factor in the story. I'm sure Thor and Hulk could have done without SHIELD and still retain the same story. SHIELD seems more like a cue that all these characters exist in the same universe.

I think the Avengers with their focus on the military-industry complex (outside of Thor, except his world provides the baddies for the superheroes to fight) is one of the reasons that Marvel works better as a shared universe compared to DC. SHIELD is only but an aspect of the military focused superheroes.

[Drummerdude7]

The cube's powerset is incredibly undefined at this point, so it can be shaped however MS wants it to...it's powered weapons, opened gateways to other worlds...who's to say it can't perform any other extraordinary feats. The potential, at the current time, is limitless.

[Quasimod0]

Its pretty cool that Coulson survived confrontations with Stane and the Destroyer

[gugumugats]

^People have been saying that Coulson is a Kree. Is that a joke, or something that has been hinted in the expanded universe?

[Quasimod0]

Just a joke. But people speculate that he's captain marvel in disguise. I doubt it though

[sabetoonth]

Its really just a theory to my knowledge.

[xeno000]

Yes, that is their larger purpose; but they were introduced/utilized first and foremost as fan service in the hopes that the theme could be expanded upon down the road. Had Iron Man not been received well, the SHIELD references may have been a mute point in future Marvel Studios films. With the exception of Captain America, none of the films truly need SHIELD. Any clandestine/government/corporation could have stood in.


But there is no need to use a generic "men in black" agency when SHIELD exists in the comics, tailor-made for the role it plays. Not using SHIELD would have been a major misstep on Marvel's part because the fictional spy agency has been an integral part of the mythos since early days of the comics universe. Omitting such an authentic piece of Marvel history would have left the MCU a lot blander and more ordinary. Who would prefer mere FBI agents when we could have SHIELD superspies and a freaking Helicarrier instead?

[Weadazoid]

Thor shows that. It's the cheapest looking of the five. Again, favorite of the five, but cheapest looking of the five.



I gotta disagree with that. Asgaurd was nicely fleshed out and a good portion of the movie takes place there




Yotenhiem, seemed a little movie setty to me, but the action that took place there made up for it. Still though not as fleshed out as I would have liked



but still... Asgaurd was so much more interesting then say Oa and look at all the money that was thrown into that




cheep? I think thats harsh


Plus even though the demise of the Destoryer was short lived.... His overall look was FANTASTIC CGI pretty much ripped from the pages of the books.

[Poni_Boy]

But there is no need to use a generic "men in black" agency when SHIELD exists in the comics, tailor-made for the role it plays. Not using SHIELD would have been a major misstep on Marvel's part because the fictional spy agency has been an integral part of the mythos since early days of the comics universe. Omitting such an authentic piece of Marvel history would have left the MCU a lot blander and more ordinary. Who would prefer mere FBI agents when we could have SHIELD superspies and a freaking Helicarrier instead?

Yes, I'm not debating that at all. I don't think you understand what I've been saying. The point I made was that utilizing SHIELD the way that Marvel has up to this point is really no different than any movie which uses generic "men in black" characters. Of course I, as a fan, am ecstatic they are included. But, I can also recognize that SHIELD's introduction is Iron Man was first off fan service; with the obvious hope to expand on it in future installments

[Poni_Boy]

Asgaurd

Asgard :oldrazz:

[Drummerdude7]

Asgard :oldrazz:

Watch out guys...spelling patrol is here.....

;)

[WildcatNC]

The Cube can do damn near anything that the person wielding it wills it to do. Its main ability is the power to warp reality, reshape it to suit the person who controls it. The Red Skull was obsessed with Odin's treasures and with Asgard, so he might have inadvertently willed the Cube to transport him to Asgard.

It could have transported him straight to Odin's vault. He desired power so maybe the cube sent him to it.

[Poni_Boy]

It could have transported him straight to Odin's vault. He desired power so maybe the cube sent him to it.

We don't know what the Tesseract's powers capabilities are outside of a self contained power source, do we?

[sabetoonth]

though it can apparently open a portal of some kind

[Poni_Boy]

though it can apparently open a portal of some kind

True, but it has yet to be explained how so. Could it have been an overload of centralized power that opened the portal or an actual ability of the Cube itself? There are so many variables when it comes to opening trans-dimensional portals in the MCU we really don't have a base curve to compare the Cube to. Do we even know if the Cube is what opens the portal in Avengers? None of the footage I've seen has hinted at that yet.

[Megaton Sun]

Huh, just realized that the Stark Tower is being built ON TOP of the MetLife (Pan Am) building.
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/9360/starktower.jpg

[Drummerdude7]

True, but it has yet to be explained how so. Could it have been an overload of centralized power that opened the portal or an actual ability of the Cube itself? There are so many variables when it comes to opening trans-dimensional portals in the MCU we really don't have a base curve to compare the Cube to. Do we even know if the Cube is what opens the portal in Avengers? None of the footage I've seen has hinted at that yet.

One can assume it is indeed the cube, as that is what Loki is after, and seeing that it (seemingly) opened a portal for Skull in CA:TFA, one would assume it does the same here. Not explicitly confirmed but that seems to be a logical assumption.

[WildcatNC]

One can assume it is indeed the cube, as that is what Loki is after, and seeing that it (seemingly) opened a portal for Skull in CA:TFA, one would assume it does the same here. Not explicitly confirmed but that seems to be a logical assumption.

Yup. We don't know for sure, but it seems to be what is hinted at.

[Poni_Boy]

One can assume it is indeed the cube, as that is what Loki is after, and seeing that it (seemingly) opened a portal for Skull in CA:TFA, one would assume it does the same here. Not explicitly confirmed but that seems to be a logical assumption.

I see where you're going, but at the same time it was stated by a handful of different film characters that the cube is an artifact of "immense power". That could mean anything. And considering the Cube was responsible for opening one portal in Cap, but other portals have been opened without it, there's no saying whether it was the cube itself that caused the portal to open or other factors were involved. In the comics it grants wishes and skews reality; in the film it has yet to be established. Savvy?

In The Avengers, Loki obviously opens a portal directly over Stark Tower. Do we even know if the Cube is involved in the portal debacle? Sure Loki is after it but does he need it for the portal or something else?

[Drummerdude7]

I see where you're going, but at the same time it was stated by a handful of different film characters that the cube is an artifact of "immense power". That could mean anything. And considering the Cube was responsible for opening one portal in Cap, but other portals have been opened without it, there's no saying whether it was the cube itself that caused the portal to open or other factors were involved. In the comics it grants wishes and skews reality; in the film it has yet to be established. Savvy?

In The Avengers, Loki obviously opens a portal directly over Stark Tower. Do we even know if the Cube is involved in the portal debacle?

Savvy indeed.

I was just drawing conclusions based on previous viewings. No lines have been drawn 100% yet saying that the cube opens the portal, but the evidence seems to suggest it, seeing as the cube is he big power macguffin of the film...as I said earlier, the cubes power set is so vague atm that MS could make it do whatever they'd like at this point.

But as for official confirmation, nothing set in stone yet. For all we know, Loki could open the portal himself using the cubes power...the portal definitely has a different look from the others we've seen.

[protocida]

So do you guys think that we'll learn on what Loki promised his army in return for their services in this film?
Midgard as their kingdom.

[Quasimod0]

Huh, just realized that the Stark Tower is being built ON TOP of the MetLife (Pan Am) building.
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/9360/starktower.jpg

And it's still under construction

[Whiskey Tango]

Huh, just realized that the Stark Tower is being built ON TOP of the MetLife (Pan Am) building.
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/9360/starktower.jpg

Nice catch.

[BigThor]

I gotta disagree with that. Asgaurd was nicely fleshed out and a good portion of the movie takes place there

cheep? I think thats harsh


Plus even though the demise of the Destoryer was short lived.... His overall look was FANTASTIC CGI pretty much ripped from the pages of the books.

Asgard looked awesome there just wasn't enough of it shown, oh and I agree the design & CGI of The Destroyer was AMAZING.

Visually this is truely an underrated live action adaptation of a comic book character.

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt145/TitanChuck/1677225-_tempdestroyer_cbm2.jpg

[Shadowlord X]

New international banners:

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/ironman-hulk-225x100.jpg

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/captain-america-thor-225x100.jpg

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/hawkeye-black-widow-225x100.jpg


These are FANTASTIC!

Thanx dude.

For those with the skills desktop versions would be greatly appreciated.

[Iceman]

Huh, just realized that the Stark Tower is being built ON TOP of the MetLife (Pan Am) building. Great spot :up:

[BobbyCorwin88]

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/captain-america-thor-225x100.jpg

Finally a decent shot of Cap. Photoshopped, yes, but decent. All I can do is wonder what the next iteration of the suit will look like.

And Whiskey I never responded last night, but I can assure you that AB and myself are not the same person. Please don't single me out because I happen to agree with one specific person on here every now and again, it's pretty distasteful. I know it doesn't sound impossible since we are on the internet, but the idea of one guy creating two identities for himself on a message board just so he can have someone to agree with himself is pretty absurd. And sad. I can't imagine the guy who actually does that.

So I'll ask that please, in the future, if I happen to agree with someone and I'm discussing something civilly with them, I don't care who it is, please don't single me out because you don't care for that individual. It's a message board, someone is bound to agree with someone at some point. And that's all I'm gonna say on the matter. Done.

[xeno000]

Huh, just realized that the Stark Tower is being built ON TOP of the MetLife (Pan Am) building.
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/9360/starktower.jpg


Great catch. This shows how they fit the Stark Tower into the real New York skyline, something that had intrigued me.

[SpideyFan866]

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/width500/wysiwyg_imageupload/1/tfnewavg.jpg

[BobbyCorwin88]

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/width500/wysiwyg_imageupload/1/tfnewavg.jpg
Noooo!! Go back to the good one!

[Drummerdude7]

Awesome cover. Cap looks a little sleepy though lol.

In Joss we trust.

[Poni_Boy]

Asgard looked awesome there just wasn't enough of it shown, oh and I agree the design & CGI of The Destroyer was AMAZING.

Visually this is truely an underrated live action adaptation of a comic book character.

Absolutely. Destroyer was better than I could have anticipated. Very fluid. Can't wait to see what they do for Thor 2

[WildcatNC]

http://emileeid.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/captain-america-thor-225x100.jpg

Finally a decent shot of Cap. Photoshopped, yes, but decent. All I can do is wonder what the next iteration of the suit will look like.

And Whiskey I never responded last night, but I can assure you that AB and myself are not the same person. Please don't single me out because I happen to agree with one specific person on here every now and again, it's pretty distasteful. I know it doesn't sound impossible since we are on the internet, but the idea of one guy creating two identities for himself on a message board just so he can have someone to agree with himself is pretty absurd. And sad. I can't imagine the guy who actually does that.

So I'll ask that please, in the future, if I happen to agree with someone and I'm discussing something civilly with them, I don't care who it is, please don't single me out because you don't care for that individual. It's a message board, someone is bound to agree with someone at some point. And that's all I'm gonna say on the matter. Done.


And yet it happens often. Never underestimate the desperate trolls. Sad yes, but i have seen it a lot.

Not that I think your doing that, just pointing out there is a reason to consider that.

[SpideyFan866]

Japanese Poster!

http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PH2dzNrVISY766_1_m.jpg

[SpideyFan866]

^^^^^^^^^^^^Notice how Downey is the biggest.

[Poni_Boy]

Japanese Poster!

Already posted

^^^^^^^^^^^^Notice how Downey is the biggest.


Already discussed ad nauseum

[Vartha]

Asgard looked awesome there just wasn't enough of it shown, oh and I agree the design & CGI of The Destroyer was AMAZING.

Visually this is truely an underrated live action adaptation of a comic book character.


Then you get the iggnorant people that claim Asgard in Thor looks like He-Man when it's looked that way for YEARS before He-Man.
I wish there were a way to make a walkthrough model of it. lol

[marcvader]

Why is Stark's head so biig and Rogers' so small?

[Dr Lee]

Guessing RDJ is a bigger name in Japan than Evans?

[Vartha]

Been loving the different countries Avengers logo and the Arrow on the "A" :

Still want a Textless poster tho from them. I tried making a variation of wallpaper in the Wallpaper thread in Avengers world.
Japanese Poster!

http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PH2dzNrVISY766_1_m.jpg
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6001/avengers11.png

[Drummerdude7]

Why is Stark's head so biig and Rogers' so small?

Clearly hank Pym has a cameo in the film and makes Stark huge, leading to his new superhero identity: the Iron Giant.

[Iceman]

Why is Stark's head so biig and Rogers' so small?

Guessing RDJ is a bigger name in Japan than Evans?
No in real life RDJ just has a much larger sized head than Chris Evans.

[Vartha]

Why is Stark's head so biig and Rogers' so small?
EGO? Dunno? lol I COULD go elsewhere but I'll be nice. :woot:

[Vartha]

Clearly hank Pym has a cameo in the film and makes Stark huge, leading to his new superhero identity: the Iron Giant.hahahaha Yup yup yup

[Smashlilman]

SHIELD serves a larger purpose than merely pleasing the fans, IMO. The organization provides the mechanism and the impetus for forming the Avengers and, more broadly, for introducing and managing other heroes on down the line. Instead of having the heroes "accidentally" meeting and forming a team to face a foe, Nick Fury and SHIELD have identified various super-powered beings and done much of the prep work.


In the context of the MCU this works perfectly. The audience doesn't have to swallow the idea that everyone randomly comes together, conflict is built into the setup and the story can flow from that. SHIELD worked a lot better than Rick Jones and his Teen Brigade calling in the heroes on their ham radios.

Nick Fury and Shield server as the catalysis for the formation of the Avengers. I wonder if Warner Brothers was trying to do the Same with the inclusion of Amanda Waller in the Green lantern. Only from the angle of connecting the films. Well if she pops up in Man of Steal then we know there trying to connect them.

[marcvader]

EGO? Dunno? lol I COULD go elsewhere but I'll be nice. :woot:

lol

[Megaton Sun]

Why is Stark's head so biig and Rogers' so small?


yET1JeSd7t8

[Crimson King]

Been loving the different countries Avengers logo and the Arrow on the "A" :

Still want a Textless poster tho from them. I tried making a variation of wallpaper in the Wallpaper thread in Avengers world.


I think one got posted earlier, but I also found this on Tumblr:

(cut because...damn it's big)
http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/shieldvk/19399012747/1/tumblr_m0zi5e2k1d1rpbvbw

[Nova2113]

^^^^^^^^^^^^Notice how Downey is the biggest.

...........pause

[SpideyFan866]

how do you get avatar gifs to work

[BizarroAids]

You knew this was coming...those that enjoyed the previous tables.

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[Vartha]

That's not too bad of a job.
I think one got posted earlier, but I also found this on Tumblr:

(cut because...damn it's big)
http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/shieldvk/19399012747/1/tumblr_m0zi5e2k1d1rpbvbw

[Vartha]

Wonder con Info
http://marvel.com/news/story/18273/wondercon_2012_panel_schedule

[Oruku Saki]

I think one got posted earlier, but I also found this on Tumblr:

(cut because...damn it's big)
http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/shieldvk/19399012747/1/tumblr_m0zi5e2k1d1rpbvbw

I swear that image they used for Hulk is from Ang's 2003
http://needcoffee.cachefly.net/needcoffee/uploads/2009/03/hulk-2003.jpg

He has a much less protruding eyebrows and the hair is the same...looks like it was pulled straight from this scene in the movie

[Vartha]

AW man you HAD to tease lol Wish I could play those.:doh::doh::doh:
You knew this was coming...those that enjoyed the previous tables.

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[Endeavor]

The writer's strike probably cost us an Edgar Wright Ant-Man movie :argh:

Good.
I don't want a 1960 Ant-Man movie that focuses on somebody other than Pym.

[marcvader]

Good.
I don't want a 1960 Ant-Man movie that focuses on somebody other than Pym.
Agreed, modern day Pym is the way to go.

[Drummerdude7]

I want a modern day Pym as well. Hank and Janet would be great additions to a future Avengers cast, and size-changes would be incredibly awe-inspiring to watch. It also leads to the possibility of Ultron.

[marcvader]

and Vis.

[Endeavor]

No disrespect to Wright, but even brilliant people can have bad ideas, and to me what he had in plan for Ant-Man was no good.
I hope when Avengers turns out to be the success we all expect it to be, that Marvel greenlights a modern day Ant-Man/Wasp film that can later on add to the Avengers franchise.