You fight well... in the old style. Now you face the Shredder. - The Shredder Thread

[Nathan]

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Everyone got to make a Thread, I thought now it's my turn. :awesome: So, Shredder. Will we get him in the first Movie or will the focus be solely on Krang? When we get him, who should play him and how should he be portrayed.

Shredder from the 2K3 cartoon, IMO, is the best portrayal of the character yet. Minus the whole Utrom thing. I hope the Movie version will be closely based on this one.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3849/24232643338aa1060ac7.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/24232643338aa1060ac7.jpg/) http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5020/242326541787a9cea5af.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/242326541787a9cea5af.jpg/)

[louiebling$]

Hiroyuki Sanada or Ken Wantabe as Shredder would automatically have my ticket sold lol

[louiebling$]

http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k639/Shaggyd0g/Shredder.jpg

[the_ultimate_evil]

please god no utrom shredder who ever thought that up was severely brain damaged

[Aztec]

I still maintain that Shredder in the first film was perfect in appearance.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/ShredderTMNTMovie.png

For comparison here's the second film:
http://i2.cdnds.net/12/12/618x427/movies_teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_gallery_5.jpg

Super Shredder (end of second film):
http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/a/a5/Supershredder.jpg

Shredder in 4th film:
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111010021616/tmnt/images/thumb/3/3a/ShredderTMNT4cameo_.jpg/200px-ShredderTMNT4cameo_.jpg

[Thundercrack85]

Have to say I like the ninja aspect the most of TMNT. So, I definitely say, keep the basic backstory in tact. One thing I thought the show did better is by merging Splinter and Yoshi into one character. It makes the rivalry much stronger.

I did like how the newer cartoon actually had Leonardo and Shredder interacting in a civilized manner, before the big finale.

Need more Shredder without armor characterization.

[Nathan]

please god no utrom shredder who ever thought that up was severely brain damaged

Before they revealed that he was an Utrom, I liked how they hinted at him being Immortal. Like when he held the sword of Tengu and claimed to have conquered ancient Japan and gave power to the Tokugawa Clan with it, I thought that was just awesome stuff. There already have been several changes to Shredder throughout the years, I wouldn't mind if they turned him into the Ra's al Guhl of the TMNT-verse. If not that, then I definitely want him just to be human.

I still maintain that Shredder in the first film was perfect in appearance.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/ShredderTMNTMovie.png

I really hope they stick close to that. As much as I liked the cartoon, I don't want Shredder overly armored. The leg/arm guards, helmet and shoulder spikes are enough, his clothes should be some Ninja attire.

Maybe even something similar to Sub-Zero from MK Deception.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2697/subzeroallipd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/subzeroallipd.jpg/)

I did like how the newer cartoon actually had Leonardo and Shredder interacting in a civilized manner, before the big finale.

Need more Shredder without armor characterization.

I definitely want to see more of Oroku Saki, not just his Shredder persona.

[DoomsdayApex]

Ken Watanabe for Shredder!

[Thundercrack85]

Throwing in a little mythology wouldn't be bad per se. Perhaps have Shredder speculate that the turtles are kappa (Japanese turtle demons).

But one thing I liked about the newer cartoon is that the character was a lot more dignified (pre-Utrom reveal). Not just a guy yelling about turtle soup.

Him actually being decapitated would be nice. Still surprised the newer cartoon got away with that.

[ShredderX]

Hiroyuki Sanada as The Shredder would be BRILLIANT !!!!

[Bishop/Ch'rell]

One concept From the 4Kids cartoon that i would like see is Oroku Saki as a business man.

[TheWallCrawler]

He was like a cold business man in the 2003 series too, and that is why it was my favorite version of shredder
so, bring on the business man Oroku Saki!

[terry78]

He definitely needs to be a Japanese actor that knows some decent English.

[Thundercrack85]

Have to say I rather liked Shredder's depiction in the newer cartoon, pre-Utrom revelation.

Especially the way he reacted to seeing Leonardo. He was barely surprised. I like that he alluded to having seen amazing things before, and that there are more strange things out there.

[Nathan]

The many forms of Shredder
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[ShredderX]

*claps * good post nathan !!!

[batlovescatDC]

I think the Mirage shredder would definitely be the best to go with. More of a gritty, realistic version of him. As far as his look goes, I mean.

As far as who to play him, I agree that Ken Watanabe would be a great choice for Shredder. I would like to see him play just a completely evil character.

Jet Li wouldn't be a bad choice, either. He did a great job playing the villain in Lethal Weapon 4. His character took great pleasure in killing people. "In Hong Kong, you'd already be dead."

[ShredderX]

Jet Li is too short to be The Shredder, and I think Ken is too old. I always thought Li would be a good choice to play Frieza in a live action DBZ movie though.

[Bishop/Ch'rell]

Ken Watanabe for Shredder!


That would be a great choice.

[Matt312]

Don't let the studio choose who will play shredder. They would probably choose someone like Richard Gear or Tom Cruise if they could. Look what Hollywood tried to do with Akira the live action movie. White people with japanese names LOL. CAST SHREDDER RIGHT.

[terry78]

They're not gonna do that. They didn't even do that in the first one.

[Baneis8feettall]

Ken Watanabe for Shredder!

You got my vote!

[CJ]

Ken Watanabe for Shredder!

This. This. A thousand times this.

[spidergeek232]

Kevin Eastman actually does want Ken Watanabe to play Shredder! He stated it in an interview!

[Cassandra Cain]

Wow, that Shredder from The Next Mutation live action show was just...my God, wth was that?! :barf:

[louiebling$]

The shredder in the first Draft of bays turtles is far far far far worse

[godisawesome]

I think Ken Watanabe as an older, veteran Shredder could work very well, as long as they applied the "old-guy-may-not-be-quick-but-when-he-moves-people-die" cliche. And I'd prefer shredder as the anonymous head of a secret ninja organization/crime network and avoided the trappings of most ceremony and publicity.

[ShredderX]

I don't know about Watanabe. In the RPG " TMNT and other Strangeness", Shredder is listed as being 34 years old. I prefer a younger, more ambitious and agile Shredder, instead of an Old Guy.

[rashad]

One of the many things I loved about the original film was the fact Shredder had a fantastic screen presence.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uc2EVuOeKTE/TaYWgkM9ODI/AAAAAAAAAFM/88ehZGHKBjc/s1600/master+shredder+WIDE.jpg

[terry78]

I was thinking Hiroyuki Sanada, the dude that played the villain in Rush Hour 3. He speaks pretty decent english and has the look down. He's about 51.

[BATS N' HORNETS]

They're not gonna do that. They didn't even do that in the first one.

the 1st Turtles film was technically not a Hollywood movie. It was an independent film that got Hollywood distribution through Warners

[godisawesome]

One of the many things I loved about the original film was the fact Shredder had a fantastic screen presence.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uc2EVuOeKTE/TaYWgkM9ODI/AAAAAAAAAFM/88ehZGHKBjc/s1600/master+shredder+WIDE.jpg
Oh, heck yeah, he did. I loved his first appearance with that awesome dumbeat and his huge oily cape, and I still think his entrance to the final fight is by far one of the best moments of the series:

(Turtles are kicking butt, chewing bubblegum, and taking names.)
Raph: Aw, no more?
(Shredder jumps onto the roof in slow motion with a nice little bass solo to let everyone know playtimes over. You can just barely see a feral grin behind his mask.)
5 minutes later:
Turtles: Dudes, that guy is totally kicking our butts, chewing bubblegum, and taking names!

[kang604]

http://i2.listal.com/image/24204/600full-hiroyuki-sanada.jpg

this.

[rashad]

Oh, heck yeah, he did. I loved his first appearance with that awesome dumbeat and his huge oily cape, and I still think his entrance to the final fight is by far one of the best moments of the series:

(Turtles are kicking butt, chewing bubblegum, and taking names.)
Raph: Aw, no more?
(Shredder jumps onto the roof in slow motion with a nice little bass solo to let everyone know playtimes over. You can just barely see a feral grin behind his mask.)
5 minutes later:
Turtles: Dudes, that guy is totally kicking our butts, chewing bubblegum, and taking names!

I hated that he became basically the cartoon version of Shredder in the sequel. We all know the reason why but it still doesn't make it hurt any less. lol

[ShredderX]

http://i2.listal.com/image/24204/600full-hiroyuki-sanada.jpg

this.

I agree

[The Shredder]

What a lovely thread. :heart::hrt:


One of the many things I loved about the original film was the fact Shredder had a fantastic screen presence.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uc2EVuOeKTE/TaYWgkM9ODI/AAAAAAAAAFM/88ehZGHKBjc/s1600/master+shredder+WIDE.jpg


Indeed.

Barron did a masterful job. Absolutely love his full introduction with the Shredder's Suite score, accompanying a nicely directed long shot that further illustrated a gathering that gazed in awe of his presence.

Just classic.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

i watched the first live action Ninja Turtles movie last night and i absolutely love how they portrayed Shredder, such a badass! he has such a commanding presence in every scene he is in.

[Tristan_McClark]

I completely agree. Shredder was a force, a man that appeared to be without weakness. He was so efficient in taking out the turtles, every move so calculated.

[WarrenPeace2012]

Badass theme, for a badass thread, for a badass dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ0nvZ9UTSE

[Octoberist]

One of the many things I loved about the original film was the fact Shredder had a fantastic screen presence.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uc2EVuOeKTE/TaYWgkM9ODI/AAAAAAAAAFM/88ehZGHKBjc/s1600/master+shredder+WIDE.jpg

His introduction in the original film was AMAZING. Just amazing. It's a slow burn that we don't see too much of in tentpole movies anymore. I can only think of Javier Bardem's into in Skyfall as the most recent example, however...

[TheAQU4M4N]

http://i2.listal.com/image/24204/600full-hiroyuki-sanada.jpg

this.
thats the guy from Lost right?, if he is I really dig that.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Hiroyuki Sanada or Ken Wantabe would be really Awesome as Shredder!

[scifiwolf]

Man, there are a host of other Japanese actors other than Ken Watanabe. I don't know any of them, but neither do any other Americans, which is why Ken is brought up for every Japanese role in every thread on this damn site. He's not even really right for the part, or most of the others for which people nominate him.

[terry78]

Shredder should be younger than Ken. He had to be in his 20s when he was dealing with Hamato Yoshi, so right now....about mid to late 30s would be cool.

[Octoberist]

In a Hollywood's execs mind, there are millions of Ken Wantnabes to choose from!

[Octoberist]

BTW I wonder what's up the hold up with Shredder's casting, along with Casey?

[jacobed]

His introduction in the original film was AMAZING. Just amazing. It's a slow burn that we don't see too much of in tentpole movies anymore. I can only think of Javier Bardem's into in Skyfall as the most recent example, however...


Too bad he had one of the worst endings to a villain ever. Ugh it was god awful. I hope they introduce him to the Turtles like they did in the new Nickelodeon show. Out of nowhere he appears, epic music playing and he just takes every one of them out with ease.

[TheAQU4M4N]

BTW I wonder what's up the hold up with Shredder's casting, along with Casey?
I have a feeling Casey will be in a second installment, lets hope not though.

[batman strikes]

Looks like the foot is going to be soldiers like the leaked script. Have you guys seen the latest set photos?

[I'm Old Greg]

The Foot Clan look horrible. Theyre Swat guys with Guns wearing plastic human face masks that are brown with a five oclock shadow. They were in Nyc filming. They look nothing like ninjas.

[scifiwolf]

Where are you guys seeing them?

[spidergeek232]

Where is this?

[Octoberist]

Looks like the foot is going to be soldiers like the leaked script. Have you guys seen the latest set photos?

Umm..link? All I've seen is the Fox and Arnett pictures.

[Octoberist]

The Foot Clan look horrible. Theyre Swat guys with Guns wearing plastic human face masks that are brown with a five oclock shadow. They were in Nyc filming. They look nothing like ninjas.

Link?

[terry78]

Are you sure they were foot clan even if you did see them? And it wasn't just for a certain scene or even just something that may be changed in post?

[Octoberist]

I know this movie is an easy target but lets get some prespective here.Those guys could be bank robbers for all we know.

[Octoberist]

Are you guys talking about this guy?

http://twitter.com/DanKrokos/status/331138138091188225/photo/1

Even the person posting it is just guessing.

[batman strikes]

Are you sure they were foot clan even if you did see them? And it wasn't just for a certain scene or even just something that may be changed in post?

No were not a 100% sure but if you look closely you can see a Japanese symbol on their vest. Like everyone has said, it doesn't mean they are but I'm just going off the leaked script. I can already tell they've changed a bunch of stuff, just by going off of the April O'Neil photos. I guess will have to wait and see.

[the_ultimate_evil]

What a lovely thread. :heart::hrt:





Indeed.

Barron did a masterful job. Absolutely love his full introduction with the Shredder's Suite score, accompanying a nicely directed long shot that further illustrated a gathering that gazed in awe of his presence.

Just classic.


i love the second half of the suite which was used for the final foot battle. brilliant action scene music

[terry78]

If they have symbols they could just be thugs that decided to come onboard Shredder's campaign, martial art skills be damned.

[Octoberist]

Also for some odd reason I can't find any pictures of there 'Foot Clan' anywhere, besides the sole picture I posted from twitter.

[Octoberist]

If they have symbols they could just be thugs that decided to come onboard Shredder's campaign, martial art skills be damned.

Yeah I hope they're just a branch of the 'foot' or hired guns, while Shredder still his Foot ninjas/soldiers intact but only during night shifts.

[batman strikes]

ignore.

[batman strikes]

If you look through some of the pictures here you can see them.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/jw-5M8CoLs8/Megan+Fox+Ninja+Turtles+Set/7-MzUsqhcrQ
http://www.megan-fox.com/gallery/albums/Movies/Teenage%20Mutant%20Ninja%20Turtles%202014/Filming%20-%20May%204%202013/30.jpg
pictures 22 through 25

[Nathan]

Doesn't mean they are the Foot.

[batman strikes]

I know that. Just from some of the set photos we can tell that things have been changed. I just thought it was interesting because it looks similar to what the leaked script described.

[Nathan]

Never read the leaked script. Were they all just soldiers in the script?

[batman strikes]

Yeah they were just soldiers. Instead of Shredder the foot was under the commanded of Colonel Schrader. Now just by going of off the leak set pics, we can tell that a lot has changed but this is the one thing that looks similar to the script.

[I'm Old Greg]

Mhmm, this movie is looking to blow turtle ballz

[Nathan]

Yeah they were just soldiers. Instead of Shredder the foot was under the commanded of Colonel Schrader. Now just by going of off the leak set pics, we can tell that a lot has changed but this is the one thing that looks similar to the script.

The moment I hear someone in the Trailer say Colonel Schrader, I'm out.

[Octoberist]

We'll see. I'm fairly apathetic to the project. Using that a self defense mechanism just in the case if the movie turns out to be surprisingly good.

[747]

We'll see. I'm fairly apathetic to the project. Using that a self defense mechanism just in the case if the movie turns out to be surprisingly good.

My biggest hope right now is that it will be a decent and somewhat fun piece of entertainment ala the first Transformers.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Good God. If that's the Foot Clan, this movie as far as I'm concerned can go **** itself.

If it's just some gang... say The Purple Dragons or whatever, I could let it go. I'm glad Will Arnett is playing Vernon Fenwick at least and not Casey Jones or Shredder.

[*Whiplash*]

Where the hell is Sam Rockwell?!

[Octoberist]

"You fight well...in the old style. Now you face..Col. Calvin Shraoder!"

[TheAQU4M4N]

I actually wouldn't have a problem with Fitchner as Shredder, as long he's not a Colonel! lol

[SpideyFan866]

I keep seeing people (or a single person) posting on TMNT threads and articles, particularly the William Fitchner related ones, that he's playing "Colonel Calvin Shroader, father of Kerry".


Is this a joke or the real deal?

[Octoberist]

Actually I was the one who invented that first name (Calvin) and "Kerry", and it went viral! What an honor!

[SpideyFan866]

Actually I was the one who invented that first name (Calvin) and "Kerry", and it went viral! What an honor!

Oh thank god.

I thought that was legit for a second.

Great creativity, but it scared the living **** out of me.

[Nathan]

After seeing how the Foot look, I fear for Shredder.

[*Whiplash*]

Yeah because this was so much better eh?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdcfiakFTf1qej41uo1_400.jpg

[SpideyFan866]

Yeah because this was so much better eh?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdcfiakFTf1qej41uo1_400.jpg

Exactly. What we got isn't the greatest but using something like that which is much closer to the classic design would look silly.

What we got isn't he greatest but, IMO, its significantly better than that.

[Nathan]

At least the Foot back then were still recognizable as Ninjas. And maybe outside of the masks, there was nothing silly looking about the outfits. And when in action, I can't actually say they looked bad at all. Definitely better than random soldiers.

pqddgi_EGeo

And as I said in the other Thread, I don't even hate the idea of modernized and militarized Ninjas. But there's nothing Ninjaish about the current foot. What we are getting is completely uninspired. Snake Eyes is a great example of a militarized Ninja. They could have taken him as an example. Or something similar to MGS2's Tengu. Anything is better than Mercs with plastic faces.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3706/mgs2tengucommandos.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/mgs2tengucommandos.png/)

[*Whiplash*]

Bear in mind this is a movie about talking turtles.

Nobody is looking to re-imagine the style of ninjas...

[Nathan]

I can't wait for Colonel Schrader.

[1984TMNT]

Exactly. What we got isn't the greatest but using something like that which is much closer to the classic design would look silly.

What we got isn't he greatest but, IMO, its significantly better than that.

I actually really dig the look of the foot from the 1990 movie. I don't think it looks "silly".

[SpideyFan866]

I actually really dig the look of the foot from the 1990 movie. I don't think it looks "silly".

Well.... Its not silly so much as its.... outdated.

A more ninja like look would definitely be better, but I don't know how well something like we got in the 1990 movie would look on screen today.

[Nathan]

Again, I would have been completely fine with a modernized take. Even modern military meets old school Ninja. I wouldn't even be against them using guns, as long as they still carry swords. But what we have right now are Mercenaries with plastic masks.

[SpideyFan866]

Again, I would have been completely fine with a modernized take. Even modern military meets old school Ninja. I wouldn't even be against them using guns, as long as they still carry swords. But what we have right now are Mercenaries with plastic masks.

At least they have swords.

[Marvin]

I can't wait for Colonel Schrader.

I hope you weren't also hoping for a Hispanic Bane or a Asian Stereotypical Mandarin, or Arabian Ra's or Eastern European Dr Doom or a White Electro...
...a black nick fury.

Oh it's the ninja aspect you are referring too, not so much the underground terrorist leader of bad men hell bent on turtle soup. Well then I suppose things are looking grim.

[ShredderX]

I actually really dig the look of the foot from the 1990 movie. I don't think it looks "silly".

Not silly at all. Exactly what Ninjas are supposed to look like.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Hey, maybe Fitchner is playing Casey Jones.

[Nathan]

Just found this awesome image. A proper Shredder would be the only thing that could somewhat salvage the project for me.

http://i.imgur.com/tqsJTHo.jpg

[TheAQU4M4N]

Hey, maybe Fitchner is playing Casey Jones.
IMO he's not as iconic as Shredder.

[Marvin]

Just watched IM3 again, I can't see how the prospect of the colonel is any larger a step away from iconica. I just hope the keep the Japanese element somehow.

[scifiwolf]

If they're using the reincarnation element from the IDW series, then the Colonel might be still be Saki. Again, that is if he survived the rewrites.

[the_ultimate_evil]

the more news i fear and the shots from the sets really make me think the news of them throwing out the script everyone hated was damage control and flat out lies

[Octoberist]

Just watched IM3 again, I can't see how the prospect of the colonel is any larger a step away from iconica. I just hope the keep the Japanese element somehow.

I feel like change can be good. but then again you can also have 'The Doctor' from the first GI Joe movie.

When it comes down to it, whether if Shredder is Japanese or not, his armor is so inherently cool, it would be foolish to change it too much. Shredder's look is so marketable, and if he is just stripped down to a military official (unless he has duo personas; shredder in the shadows and military by day) or whatever.

Bottom line: Shredder sells himself, and this is the case where you shouldn't re-invent the wheel (too much).

Yes, creative changes can be interesting. Look at Bane. Even look at the Mandarian. Look at the new Battlestar Galatica. But they all come from creative and honest places, me thinks.

But it can be bad when the filmmakers aren't the initiative types (in whom Jonatha Liesbman is most likely not despite being trying his best). I know that you want this movie to rock. I want this movie to rock too. But we're both smart people, and nobody should make excuses, dare I say, bad creative changes.

But I'm keeping an open mind..

[Galactus123]

Super Shredder design was cool
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq244/Toru_Uchiha/Teenage%20Mutant%20Ninja%20Turtles/SuperShredder.jpg

[Nathan]

I just want a regular, highly trained, Oroku Saki. No enhancements. Neither cybernetic, nor Ooze related. Just a simple, badass, ass kicker like in the first Movie.

[TheAQU4M4N]

the masks of the Foot remind me of the Immortals from 300 lol

[Marvin]

I just want a regular, highly trained, Oroku Saki. No enhancements. Neither cybernetic, nor Ooze related. Just a simple, badass, ass kicker like in the first Movie.

Not that it matters(cause I'm just one person with my own tastes and it's not like I'm paying for this movie, nor is my childhood enjoyment the reason for it's success), but I want, the best possible direction. What that is, who knows.

If someone wanted the new Wolverine movie to be about "a simple badass ass kicker" that want's the hero dead, people would objectively say? um wouldn't it be cooler if Logan fought someone with some sort of enhancement?
It's a simple question of, is what came before the best choice, more over there's that little issue of it's been done.
Producers need to make good forward thinking level headed decisions here, that doesn't mean they should simply chase the money and go with current trends but it also doesn't mean they should consult the fan boy check list.

The best choice.

[Nathan]

If you change someone iconic like Oroku Saki, why even bother to stay faithful with the Turtles? Why not just go ahead and change it all? Oh, wait. They were going to, until the outrage over the script forced them to do a rewrite. Although, how much actually changed, remains to be seen.

[Marvin]

If you change someone iconic like Oroku Saki, why even bother to stay faithful with the Turtles? Why not just go ahead and change it all? Oh, wait. They were going to, until the outrage over the script forced them to do a rewrite. Although, how much actually changed, remains to be seen.

So you think there was a re write?

(and Oroku Saki has been changed in the past, iconic or no)

[Nathan]

So you think there was a re write?

I hope for their sake. But who knows, trash like Transformers 2 and 3 made tons of money.

(and Oroku Saki has been changed in the past, iconic or no)

And he was always Oroku Saki. Even with the twist that revealed him to be an Utrom at the end of the season of the 2003. He started out as Oroku Saki. Japanese and the Leader of the Foot Clan. And up until the twist, the best interpretation of Shredder to date. Although that could have changed, haven't read all of the IDW comics.

[Marvin]

I hope for their sake. But who knows, trash like Transformers 2 and 3 made tons of money.
I only ask cause in one breath, you will say something like the production thought the script so poor and fan outrage so strong that they had to change things.
Yet in another breath, you may say things like "they didn't change ****, it's still crap and the col. is still there...etc"

Just curious what you actually think happened.

And he was always Oroku Saki. Even with the twist that revealed him to be an Utrom at the end of the season of the 2003. He started out as Oroku Saki. Japanese and the Leader of the Foot Clan. And up until the twist, the best interpretation of Shredder to date. Although that could have changed, haven't read all of the IDW comics.

hmm, Originally you said,
I just want a regular, highly trained, Oroku Saki. No enhancements. Neither cybernetic, nor Ooze related. Just a simple, badass, ass kicker like in the first Movie.
Which is it?

Ask a dozen 13 year olds about the TF movies and I'm curious how many of them will use the word "Trash".
I'm curious what the young adults of the 80's thought about the original transformers series. I know what the kids thought.

[Nathan]

hmm, Originally you said,

Which is it?

I prefer him to be human. But I can live with other changes as long as he is still Oroku Saki, the Shredder and the leader of the Foot, which are Ninjas. There might have been origin changes to the characters in the past, but the core aspects of the character always remained. Just like there are at least 3 different origins to Splinter, but in the end he's still a rat that knows Ninjitsu and teaches 4 Turtles.