Spider-men??

[GammaAzazel]

Who else is excited for the new Bendis penned series coming in June? I am tired of being teased and want an outline at least!

Does anyone have any theories as to what this will be?

(I'd post the teaser posters but I am mobile right now.)

[Union Jack]

I'm guessing it'll be about more than one spider-man. Perhaps several spider-men.

[Spidey_62]

Who else is excited for the new Bendis penned series coming in June? I am tired of being teased and want an outline at least!

Does anyone have any theories as to what this will be?

(I'd post the teaser posters but I am mobile right now.)
Bendis tweeted today it's going to be announced through some big media outlet on Wednesday the 11th.

[THANOSRULES]

it's touted as a big landmark event....

therefore most people are guessing it is a 616 Pete and ultimate Miles crossover being the first 616 / Ultimate event and setting up a Marvel 616 / Ultimate huge event in about 2 years.

I know a lot of people say that will never happen, but with the gimmicks Marvel is using to pump up sales, they really can't afford to pass on that ace up their sleeve at some point.

Course now that some people are on to this Bendis will probably change it like he did with Ronin / Daredevil

[Havok83]

WTH? Sounds like a mess

[THANOSRULES]

well aside from some decent treading water, the Ultimate U is basically all messed up anyways.

I think Marvel has been planning to one day do a crossover despite the denial..they teased it long ago with the Wolverine Vs Hulk visions.

[Spider-Aziz]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1jvosofN51qzcqywo1_500.jpg

Peter Parker (616) meets Miles Morales (1610/Ultimate)

[Themanofbat]

Who cares? It's Bendis...

His crime/street level stuff is great, but he simply cannot write Spider-Man...

[GammaAzazel]

I like Ultimate Spider-man. It's the only Ultimate comic I like. I prefer Bendis's writing over a lot of others and I think he did a fantastic job with Ultimate Spider-man. If there is a Marvel Cross Over between 616 and Ultimate then I'm quite excited.

[Spider-Aziz]

Who cares? It's Bendis...Ultimate Spider-Man fans care ;)

His crime/street level stuff is great, but he simply cannot write Spider-Man...I look at it differently, he consistently wrote the best Spider-Man for years

[GammaAzazel]

Ultimate Spider-Man fans care ;)

I look at it differently, he consistently wrote the best Spider-Man for years

Definitely. Where as each Arch for Amazing is a hit or miss for me (mostly hits, recently) Ultimate Spider-man was constant enjoyment (and still is).

At one point didn't they say Miles has Ties to Peter Parker? What if that was a tease to this up coming 616/ultimate crossover event instead of what we've seen in Ultimate Comics Spider-man so far?

[Wolfwood]

Hasn't 616 Marvel already sort of crossed over with Ultimate Marvel? I could've sworn that the Reed Richards from both universes met at some point.

[hippie_hunter]

Ultimate Reed met Zombie Reed, not 616 Reed.

[hippie_hunter]

Also, Spider-Men is the perfect example of how Marvel's advertising just flat out irritates me. How the hell am I going to get excited over something when they are constantly putting out teasers of something "big" going to happen while not giving me any information of what it's going to be about. I don't know what Spider-Men is going to be about. I don't know what Fraction and Aja's project is going to be. I don't know who is working on Gambit or what it will be about.

I. Want. Details!

[Will Nolte]

Knowing Marvel they are setting up for a merging of the 616 and Ultimate universes...their excuse for bringing Gwen back to 616 without "resurrecting" her. Yeah, I know it is stupid, but look at all the other stupid stuff Marvel and/or Bendis has done recently.

[Dangerman]

Didn't Quesada say if they ever did this type of cross over it meant they were out of ideas?

[Spider-Aziz]

Knowing Marvel they are setting up for a merging of the 616 and Ultimate universes...their excuse for bringing Gwen back to 616 without "resurrecting" her. Yeah, I know it is stupid, but look at all the other stupid stuff Marvel and/or Bendis has done recently.
I fall and hit my jaw on the floor

[jonathancrane]

Knowing Marvel they are setting up for a merging of the 616 and Ultimate universes...their excuse for bringing Gwen back to 616 without "resurrecting" her. Yeah, I know it is stupid, but look at all the other stupid stuff Marvel and/or Bendis has done recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaXgK5HRBjk

[GammaAzazel]

Knowing Marvel they are setting up for a merging of the 616 and Ultimate universes...their excuse for bringing Gwen back to 616 without "resurrecting" her. Yeah, I know it is stupid, but look at all the other stupid stuff Marvel and/or Bendis has done recently.


I don't think it's a merger entirely, I think it might just be a quick cross over if anything and did you really have to bring Gwen into this? : P

Also, what's with everyone either loving or hating Bendis? Personally, I love his work with Spider-man. >.>

[kguillou]

So its offcial, its a crossover between 616 Spidey and Miles Morales. I for one am all for it! I really don't understand why everyone is hating on this, all because of some passing comment Joe Quesada made a decade ago? I think this is a great idea to have these two different Spider-men meet, and I imagine Miles would learn alot of Peter Parker and maybe vice versa. I think they should've done this a long time ago, i dont know why everyone's hatin'.

[GammaAzazel]

So its offcial, its a crossover between 616 Spidey and Miles Morales. I for one am all for it! I really don't understand why everyone is hating on this, all because of some passing comment Joe Quesada made a decade ago? I think this is a great idea to have these two different Spider-men meet, and I imagine Miles would learn alot of Peter Parker and maybe vice versa. I think they should've done this a long time ago, i dont know why everyone's hatin'.

Well, we don't know if it's that just yet but I'm completely on board as well. Miles needs a good figure in his life right now. Especially considering his Uncle has been an ass, his dad is pretty much against super heroes and the only person supporting him is Genki who really can't understand or comprehend any of what is happening

[kguillou]

No it is true, it was just announced this morning: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38080

[Wolfwood]

I hope Pete hits on Ultimate Gwen. :o

[Brainiac 8]

And then she turns into Carnage? That'll mess him up for sure. :p

Seriously though, this sounds like a fun story. I always thought that no 616/ultimate crossover stuff was silly. I wonder how Peter will feel when he finds out that his ultimate counterpart died.

[kguillou]

I'm wondering if this means that each spider-man will venture into each other's world. I think it would be fascinating to see 616 Pete's reaction to the Ultimate universe and everything that has transpired especially the death of his younger self.

[Themanofbat]

I'm probably going to get it because it has the real Peter Parker in it... but man, I hate the Ultimate U... :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm about as cynical as you can get when it comes to Marvel's higher-ups, but even I don't think this is going to lead to a merging of the universes. Why would they bother doing things like Battle Scars if they were just going to merge the Ultimate and 616 universes anyway? Doesn't make sense.

[THANOSRULES]

No one said merge..but maybe an ultimo Vs crossover or something like that.

[kguillou]

Nah they're definitely not going to merge the two, this will just be a fun, long overdue crossover. Oh and uh, what happened in Battle Scars?

[TheCorpulent1]

Marcus Johnson learned he's Nick Fury's son and promptly turned into Samuel L. Fury. Lost an eye on the spot and everything.

[kguillou]

Oh wow, so is he gona be the new "nick fury" now?

[THANOSRULES]

Set up a 616 Samuel jackson esque heir to fury

[TheCorpulent1]

Not right away. In a recent interview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38009), Chris Yost, the writer responsible for the lion's share of Battle Scars (it was a collaborative comic with like 3 or 4 writers in the credits), copped to the fact that Battle Scars exists essentially because the order came down from up top that they wanted the comics' Fury to match the movies' Fury somehow. But he also mentioned that SHIELD in the comics has just been reorganized under Daisy Johnson (of Hickman's Secret Warriors), so Marcus isn't going to take over right away.

[kguillou]

Oh wow, he actually admitted that huh? This must be going over real well with the fanboys.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't mind. At least they made an in-continuity story that generally makes sense out of it, as opposed to something really stupid like, oh, I don't know, merging the entire 616 universe with the Ultimate universe just to change one dude's skin color. ;)

[kguillou]

I mean, i don't know anything about Marcus Johnson, but i feel like the very basic idea of Nick Fury's son trying to fill his father's shoes could be a potentially very interesting story. The prospect of inheriting such an immense responsibility like that could be pretty cool i think.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's been interesting so far. It's nice to have a new character who will ostensibly be right in the thick of all the big stuff, too. Provides opportunities for a fresh perspective, given that everyone else involved in those big things has usually been around for years.

[THANOSRULES]

But why do it in a silly mini no one is reading. Why not have made it a back story in 1 of the 4,000 Avengers titles?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. They were originally going to make Battle Scars a subplot within The Fearless. Maybe it never occurred to them to do backups? Neither of the publishers seem to like doing those anymore. DC tried and then abandoned the idea after like 6 months.

[THANOSRULES]

Those Nomad ones in Cap were alright..didnt really do much for her or cap though

[TheCorpulent1]

Hence the problem with backups.

[kguillou]

Getting back to Spider-men for a bit, i kinda hope this opens the door for other 616 characters to meet their Ultimate counterparts. I would LOVE to see 616 Steve Rogers meet Ult. Steve, they're such different characters and i'd love to see their ideologies clash. Also 616 Thor meeting Ult. Thor would be hilarious I think.

[THANOSRULES]

they will have a major event about this in less than 2 years...especially if Ultimates Sales continue to struggle

[TheCorpulent1]

Getting back to Spider-men for a bit, i kinda hope this opens the door for other 616 characters to meet their Ultimate counterparts. I would LOVE to see 616 Steve Rogers meet Ult. Steve, they're such different characters and i'd love to see their ideologies clash. Also 616 Thor meeting Ult. Thor would be hilarious I think.
It'd be worth it to see 616 Thor smash the living the s*** out of his crappy Ultimate counterpart. If the story involves anything other than that, it's not worth telling.

[Spider-Aziz]

Full cover
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ASMUSM-674x1024.jpg
Of issue 2And then she turns into Carnage? That'll mess him up for sure. :pIt was confirmed by S.H.I.E.L.D. that Venom sucked all the symbiote out of her
Same guys who confirmed Norman can't use his powers in Death of a Goblin, and confirmed the death of Norman.
Just don't chew my hide over saying "No Carnage"

[Dread]

So, Marvel's worst kept secret of the year is out and surprises nobody. This will be an official crossover of the traditional Marvel Universe and Ultimate, which was something Joe Quesada as EIC stated he never wanted to do and if he did, in so many words, Marvel was out of ideas.

In 2005, Joe Q even stated he'd rather end one universe than cross the two over: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&old=1&id=5585

As recently as SDCC 2011, Joe Q (then no longer EIC but promoted to CCO) reaffirmed his desire to "keep them apart": http://www.comicvine.com/news/sdcc-2011-cup-o-joe-panel-liveblog/143381/

Now, this. SPIDER-MEN. So, does it really represent the creative bankruptcy that Joe Q HIMSELF stated it would for years? Is it a shameless cash-in, especially as USM's sales are sinking again while a new cartoon hits and ASM remains stable? Or do Joe Q and Marvel earn the right to change their minds about something after 11 years? In fairness, that's far longer than "dead is dead" lasted.

Personally, I could care less. But it makes for an interesting story. And since Bendis is leaving the Avengers books and MOON KNIGHT got canned, he's got to something I suppose. And by something, I mean "anything he pitches".

Not right away. In a recent interview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38009), Chris Yost, the writer responsible for the lion's share of Battle Scars (it was a collaborative comic with like 3 or 4 writers in the credits), copped to the fact that Battle Scars exists essentially because the order came down from up top that they wanted the comics' Fury to match the movies' Fury somehow. But he also mentioned that SHIELD in the comics has just been reorganized under Daisy Johnson (of Hickman's Secret Warriors), so Marcus isn't going to take over right away.

See, I actually respect Yost for being honest about being handed an editorial and corporate decree from on high and still managing to wrest a decent popcorn action story out of it that makes sense. Maybe this is a tactic Marvel should try more often - honesty, minus smugness.

[Spider-Aziz]

Personally, I could care less. But it makes for an interesting story. And since Bendis is leaving the Avengers books and MOON KNIGHT got canned, he's got to something I suppose. And by something, I mean "anything he pitches".Now I want to see Spidey meeting the Ultimate Moon Knight, if that doesn't happen I'll be disappointed

[Will Nolte]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaXgK5HRBjk

If what I predicted actually happens I will have that reaction. Just because I posted about it does not mean I think it is a good idea.

As for love/hate of Bendis, after Bagley left Ultimate, the book started to slowly slide downhill quality-wise. I loved the original run, but I lose more and more interest with each new issue. Bendis ran out of ideas, so he killed Peter, then he realized he made a mistake in putting the mantle on a kid with no guiding figure to put him on the right path...so he has to bring in the original Spidey to clean up the mess he created.

[THANOSRULES]

well USM now has a zillion year back story of it's own...kinda defeats the orignal point.

With the shape of the ultimate U...I don't have a problem with a cross over at this point. I agree it's a cash in, but so was Lee Roth back to Van Halen, and that was fine by me. Just don't want a reboot.

[Dread]

Technically, the Squadron Supreme already crossed over with the Ultimate universe, although their reality is supposedly "Earth-S" and not the mainstream Marvel Universe. And it was in ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR where the "Marvel Zombies" reality was first accessed, and that has crossed over to the Marvel Universe several times.

But, yes, while it took Marvel 5-11 years to back peddle on this, back-peddling they are. Not that I care so much, but it horribly ironic that under Joe Q's own terms, this is a sure sign of creative editorial bankruptcy.

[THANOSRULES]

There was also some vision of U Wolverine V Hulk in one of those 616 books.

Wasn't the Squadron Supreme U that crossed over more or less the Ultimate JMS Squadron Universe, and not the Gruenwald Continuity?

[Zoken]

I have been out for way too long. Ultimate Spidey is no longer Peter Parker... Thats what really gets me. Stan approves... I'm trying to process there is a Spider-Man that isn't Peter Parker or a clone thereof. I mean,yeah we've had, what, four or five spider-women, but a new Spider-Man... I... I... I mean, I get that it's only Ultimate but... It's Spidey... that's supposed to be Peter Parker...

[Will Nolte]

I have been out for way too long. Ultimate Spidey is no longer Peter Parker... Thats what really gets me. Stan approves... I'm trying to process there is a Spider-Man that isn't Peter Parker or a clone thereof. I mean,yeah we've had, what, four or five spider-women, but a new Spider-Man... I... I... I mean, I get that it's only Ultimate but... It's Spidey... that's supposed to be Peter Parker...

Or at least someone under Peter's tutelage...someone that would really understand the lesson that Uncle Ben instilled in Peter about power and responsibility. That is the foundation of the character. Miles has never been someone that really embodies that for me. He is a spoiled brat at a special school. Nothing against Miles as I feel they could have made him another spider powered hero, but the mantle of Spider-Man really is something that can be filled by a small number of people...not some kid off the street.

[Zoken]

I think I read that Gwen taught him Uncle Ben's lesson.

[Spider-Aziz]

Here's the cover for issue #3.

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/spidermen003_400_previews_02.jpg

This is easily my favorite cover for Ultimate Spider-Man, and one of my favorite Spidey covers so far

[Zoken]

Umm... who's villains are those? They look like golden age 616 Spidey's villains, well, except for the golden locks on the lizard. Isn't Carnage dead in the 616, and Hammerhead dead in the Ultimate comics?

[Spider-Aziz]

They're all 616
Carnage USA is a mini series that ended this month, starring Cletus Cassidy

[GammaAzazel]

Looks like Miles is going to get a hard lesson in becoming spider-man in the new series. I'm really looking forward to it.

[Spider-Aziz]

Yeah, 616 villains will be more difficult for him to handle

[GammaAzazel]

Yeah, 616 villains will be more difficult for him to handle

He can barely handle Ultimate Spider-mans villains as is, lol. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets beaten near death by the 616 villains.

[Saved]

IDK some of the Ultimate villains are pretty hardcore. Though, thanks to Death of Spider-Man ... a lot of them are dead.

[Havok83]

this is an ongoing and not just a mini? If its the former, does that mean Ultimate Spiderman is ending?

[Spider-Aziz]

I think it's a mini

[jonathancrane]

Peter Parker (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Peter+Parker) is about to meet Miles Morales for the first time — and it'll be a common enemy who brings them together.


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Mysterio is the core villain of Spider-Men, the upcoming miniseries bringing together Peter Parker and Miles Morales for the first time.

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Marvel Comics
Mysterio is the core villain of Spider-Men, the upcoming miniseries bringing together Peter Parker and Miles Morales for the first time.



Mysterio, the nefarious magic man who has been a Spider-Man villain since the hero's earliest days, is the guy who finds a rift between the regular Marvel Universe and the alternate-reality Ultimate Universe, a plot device that is central to the upcoming Spider-Men.
Beginning in June, the five-issue Marvel Comics (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Companies/Publishers,+Media,+Music/Marvel+Comics) miniseries by the Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man creative team of writer Brian Michael Bendis (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Brian+Michael+Bendis) and artist Sara Pichelli will feature the first meeting of Peter, Stan Lee (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Culture/Comics,+Graphic+Novels/Stan+Lee)'s original-recipe web-slinger from The Amazing Spider-Man (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Amazing+Spider-Man), and Miles, Bendis' half-black, half-Hispanic teenage hero.
Bendis says fans who have been following Ultimate comics religiously will enjoy the Mysterio reveal. The villain has been making trouble in that universe for a while, traveling incognito to and from the regular universe.
"Mysterio is up there with the most dangerous criminals that Spider-Man has come up against," Bendis says. "When I was a kid, I found some of his stories to be terrifying. It just got so personal. When he does his thing right, he delves in and gets deep into a psyche that doesn't deserve that kind of punishment."
The illusionist's helmet, which does resemble a fishbowl, only adds to the cool factor.
"He bought a gross of fishbowls at one point and is just sticking to them," Bendis quips. "Most villains, all you have to do is step out of their eye line and they can't see you. But he can turn his head and can see you from all directions."
The heart of Spider-Man, though, isn't Mysterio's evil plan — it's the meeting of Peter and Miles.
Peter arrives in a world where its Peter Parker died in the line of duty being Spider-Man, inspiring Miles to become a hero, and Peter will encounter all the people who were important to the alternate version of him, such as Gwen Stacy (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Gwen+Stacy) and Mary Jane Watson (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Mary+Jane+Watson).
"Now we're in Christmas Carol territory. If done right, this is an emotional and powerful Spider-Man story that we haven't seen before," says Bendis, who was admittedly a little misty-eyed after completing a recent Spider-Men issue.
"The real meat of the story is (Peter) meeting Aunt May and Gwen and MJ and discovering this world and what it means to him. You can't walk away from an interaction like that without being changed, and Miles being witness to it all is the best lesson he can learn."
It has made for some great character moments, Bendis says. Peter and Miles will be teaming with the Ultimates (the Avengers of the Ultimate Universe) and Nick Fury (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Nick+Fury), the African-American S.H.I.E.L.D. guy whom Peter knows as an aging white secret agent. Peter has the chance to be reintroduced to Gwen, who in the Marvel Universe died years ago during a battle between Peter and the Green Goblin (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Fictional+Characters/Green+Goblin). And Miles experiences sacrifice, responsibility and all of the things that entail being Spidey firsthand.
"I spent a great deal of time on one particular scene that rides the roller coaster of emotions, and everyone asks all the questions you'd imagine they'd want to ask," the writer says. "It was insanely fun and insanely emotional to write."
Comic fans have taken to message boards to talk about Peter and Miles meeting and the bridging of the two universes, but at least in-house at Marvel, Mysterio was the most controversial element in creating Spider-Men, according to Bendis.
It made sense to him, though, because a major crossover like this needs a perfect villain to cause chaos — i.e., the Joker in Batman vs. The Incredible Hulk in 1981, or Darkseid in The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans in 1982.
"I wanted something that reminded me of that but not be a ripoff," says Bendis, adding that the potential of other characters going through the rift, from either side, is "a big part of the story."
While stories of alternate universes may remind people of things like the TV show Fringe, Bendis admits the movie Pleasantville actually served as more of an inspiration for Spider-Men than anything sci-fi.
"It doesn't have to build and build and build to some sort of crisis like comics usually do," he explains. "It can just be this story hook that allows you this enhanced drama you wouldn't normally get that just leaves the characters defenseless to anything but their emotions. That is very appealing to me — as a reader, too."







SRC: http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/story/2012-04-27/Spider-Men-comic-book-series/54579546/1

This reminds me a lot of the TNG episode "Yesterday's Enterprise." I am looking forward to it.

[Marvel]

I'm probably going to get it because it has the real Peter Parker in it... but man, I hate the Ultimate U... :cmad:

I hate the Ultimate U and always have.

I'm one of those guys that stopped reading Spider-Man after OMD and never went back.

So, this crap featuring a fake Spider-Man and a stunted Spider-Man is suppose to win back fans or somehow create better sales??? Good Luck with that...

As a life-long Spidey fan, I can't believe I read (and enjoy) Venom but don't pick up any Spider-Man solo books. How the hell did that ever happen????

[KingMob]

Well, I'm far less serious about the comic books I decide to read, and have enjoyed Slott's recent run on Amazing and Miles Morales as the Ultimate Spider-Man. So, I'll probably pick this up.

[Scourge2099]

There was also some vision of U Wolverine V Hulk in one of those 616 books.

Wasn't the Squadron Supreme U that crossed over more or less the Ultimate JMS Squadron Universe, and not the Gruenwald Continuity?
Yeah it was the JMS Squadron Supreme.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hate the Ultimate U and always have.

I'm one of those guys that stopped reading Spider-Man after OMD and never went back.

So, this crap featuring a fake Spider-Man and a stunted Spider-Man is suppose to win back fans or somehow create better sales??? Good Luck with that...

As a life-long Spidey fan, I can't believe I read (and enjoy) Venom but don't pick up any Spider-Man solo books. How the hell did that ever happen????
What this dude said, with about 40% less vitriol. I just don't care about Spider-Man or the Ultimate universe anymore.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm actually rather intrigued by this with 616 Peter meeting Ultimate Gwen.

[kguillou]

I think Miles reacting to Peter's world and Peter seeing the Ultimate universe has some very interesting story potential. Imagine Ultimate aunt may's reaction seeing her nephew all grown up or meeting a younger version of MJ and Gwen. Although, I can't help but wonder if this story wouldn't have been more effective if it was Ultimate Peter Parker instead of Miles, only because Miles is still very new. Ult. Peter's reaction to the 616 world would've been priceless.

[CConn]

What this dude said, with about 40% less vitriol. I just don't care about Spider-Man or the Ultimate universe anymore.
It's not vitriol, it's idiocy. :o

[CConn]

Now will I be buying it?

Well, I guarantee Miles is the best new young character since Blue Beetle, so I'll be checking it out for that reason alone.

Whether or not 616 Peter is to my liking will make the difference on whether I read any more. I'm kinda hoping he's written in a way that I can just pretend it's pre-OMD Spider-Man. :o