Captain America II = Political Thriller

[(SUPERMAN)]

I can’t believe know one’s talking about this bit of information that came from a Chris Evans interview in Brazil he talks about it at 8: 15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f6xh8WLWtU&feature=player_embedded

Political thriller it sounds very interesting I don’t know much of Cap’s history so maybe this has been covered in the Comics but either way I can’t wait to find out more.

[MarvelKnight]

Solo movie talk has been tempered by the fact that the Avengers World Premiere is tonight in Hollywood. I fully expect it to pick up at some point. But right now its all about Assembling! :)

I am curious who the villain would be if that is the basic premise.

[L0ngsh0t]

I think "political thriller" in the terms of a superhero movie might be taken a bit out of context....but I think it's an interesting idea to explore.

something like Captain America "protects" a high level presedential candidate from a supervillain only to find out that the Candidate is the one to hire him out or something...

Much like Iron Man with the espionage angle....I'm sure there will be traces of "political thriller" but I'd safely bet on it still be a super hero movie

[R_Hythlodeus]

we migh see HYDRA again...

[chiefchirpa]

Much like Iron Man with the espionage angle....I'm sure there will be traces of "political thriller" but I'd safely bet on it still be a super hero movie

I've never get about an Iron Man movie being a spy/James Bond kind.

Black Widow or Hawkeye, if there ever be a movie about either of them, is an espionage type. Iron Man, being a technological Superman, is much more than a spy movie. It could be a global world-ending terrorism kind but Iron Man is less likely to be clandestine - even with the almost never worn stealth armor.

[Whiskey Tango]

From today's interview with Kevin Feige - http://collider.com/kevin-feige-thor-2-iron-man-3-avengers-sequel-interview/158942/

Captain America 2, how much are you going to…obviously it’s taking place after the events of The Avengers. A lot of talk of maybe doing some stuff back in time. Are you still figuring that out?

Feige: We’re still figuring that out. We love that cast, we love his dynamic with that cast and we want to see that again…the cast from the first movie; we want to see that again because I think it informs his character in a big way. But the primary storyline takes place post-Avengers, Steve figuring out his place in the world. Tony goes back to Malibu, Thor goes back to Asgard, but there are a number of people who stay in S.H.I.E.L.D. Steve, for the time being, is going to be one of them.

[The Infernal]

we migh see HYDRA again...

This is what I'm thinking. Political thriller suggests some sort of terrorist threat and Hydra, a terrorist organisation, was already set up in the first movie. Plus we know, almost certainly, that there will be period flashbacks. It would be out of the question to see a Hydra storyline that parallels in modern day and the period flashbacks.

[WildcatNC]

we migh see HYDRA again...

We SHOULD see Hydra again imo. I would like to see AIM also.

Perhaps AIM could be the primary antagonist in Cap II, spreading WMD's to rogue organizations/nations fulfilling the "political thriller" criteria. Maybe AIM could even be hinted at as a supplier to the Ten Rings in IM III.

Then when they sleuth out and stop AIM, they discover the big reveal, that HYDRA is still operating behind the scenes.

I would hate to waste Weaving for just one movie as well. Maybe have them learn that Zemo is running HYDRA. Skull finds his way back to earth so many years later and retakes control of HYDRA.

Just ideas, but there is lots of fun to be had there. Plenty of material to work with and we haven't even gotten to the henchmen Lt.'s yet.

[Whiskey Tango]

AIM would be cool. If they go with modern Hydra I want Viper^^

[WildcatNC]

AIM would be cool. If they go with modern Hydra I want Viper^^

Crossbones also came to mind immediately for me. Both are good ideas.


We can't forget about Winter Soldier either. Not sure how it would work 70 years later though. Some version of the infinity formula might have to be brought into play.

I would love to see Dum Dum again.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah a political thriller does lend itself to Hydra and possibly the return of The Red Skull? I sort of hope he is as I was VERY dissapointed with the RA we got in TFA. Having an actor like Hugo Weaving and giving him virtually nothing to do was criminal in my eyes.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Yeah a political thriller does lend itself to Hydra and possibly the return of The Red Skull? I sort of hope he is as I was VERY dissapointed with the RA we got in TFA. Having an actor like Hugo Weaving and giving him virtually nothing to do was criminal in my eyes.
idk, cast Weaving was the criminal act, imo. This guy can't give subtle performances. everything he does is bigger than life.
Still, people here use to defend him, calling him a brillant actor. Can't see why.

[The Morningstar]

Weaving is a fantastic actor, to deny this is mind boggling.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Weaving is a fantastic actor, to deny this is mind boggling.

I have to agree, and thats why I found his performance in the first movie dissapointing. But, it wasnt Weavings fault, the writing for his character was pretty poor.

The Matrix Trilogy, LOTR Trilogy, even The Wolfman and, especially, V For Vendetta, all prove he is an amazing actor. They need to let him off the leash if The Red Skull comes back IMO.

[The Morningstar]

Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Little Fish, The Interview. He's had some great performances. V for Vendetta was ridiculous. Let's see how many other actors can give such an emotive and commanding performance without their face or eyes ever being shown.

I thought he was ok as Red Skull, he injected some cool character quirks and had a great presence. I liked how the character saw magic and mysticism as a science that can be harnessed. Thought the scene where he was listening to Bach(?) whilst having his portrait done with blood was awesome. Also really liked the scene where he vaporized the Nazi's.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Little Fish, The Interview. He's had some great performances. V for Vendetta was ridiculous. Let's see how many other actors can give such an emotive and commanding performance without their face or eyes ever being shown.

Well yeah, he has plenty of roles but I just mentioned the more mainstream ones. In V For Vendetta he was amazing, he invested us emotionally in a character who had no face, that is no small feat.

I thought he was ok as Red Skull, he injected some cool character quirks and had a great presence. I liked how the character saw magic and mysticism as a science that can be harnessed. Thought the scene where he was listening to Bach(?) whilst having his portrait done with blood was awesome. Also really liked the scene where he vaporized the Nazi's.

Again, I had no problem with his performance, I just thought the part was very subdued in its writing, he has some great moments, but overall I just thought the character was weak, he didnt come off threatening at all either apart from his first meeting with Cap in the factory. If Weaving had been let off the leash with the character, I think we would've gotten a truly memorable villain. As it is, RS is near the bottom of my list for Marvel movie villains.

[The Morningstar]

I agree, seemed Red Skull was a bit restrained. He was always going to be toned down slightly though, seeing as he is one of the most brutal and sadistic villains in comics.

It did still show him as ruthless, like in his introduction, flat out lying to the old guy about sparing his town. Then calmly gives the order for it's destruction and shoots him in cold blood.

[The Morningstar]

I agree, seemed Red Skull was a bit restrained. He was always going to be toned down slightly though, seeing as he is one of the most brutal and sadistic villains in comics.

It did still show him as ruthless, like in his introduction, flat out lying to the old guy about sparing his town. Then calmly gives the order for it's destruction and shoots him in cold blood.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree, seemed Red Skull was a bit restrained. He was always going to be toned down slightly though, seeing as he is one of the most brutal and sadistic villains in comics.

It did still show him as ruthless, like in his introduction, flat out lying to the old guy about sparing his town. Then calmly gives the order for it's destruction and shoots him in cold blood.

I dont think he came across as ruthless though, it was more pantomine villain for me. Look at Sebastien Shaw in X-Men: First Class, it had the same rating as Cap, yet Shaw came across as powerful, threatening, charismatic, ruthless and yet was a character to invest in also. Red Skull barely came across as any of these things, and yet I would say Weaving is a better actor than Bacon.

[Spider-Fan]

I would say Red Skull was more Bond-esque villain in Cap, but with ruthless elements.

[Shadowlord X]

CA:TFA was a story about Steve Rogers/CAPTAIN AMERICA. The movie told the story over several years of how Steve Rogers went from a weakling to a super-soldier, then from a super-soldier to a propaganda symbol, then from a propaganda symbol to a hero, then from a hero to a legend.

It is not a story about the RED SKULL. He is merely a foil to the story of Steve Rogers. This is not tdk where the hero becomes a foil to show how cool and smart the villain is.

The villain is foil to show how great the hero is, as it should be. It is actually done quite brilliantly because if you look at all the above transitions, the actions of Johann Schmidt/the RED SKULL acts as a catalyst for most of them.


In addition the nature of the story being told over many years and not a single adventure makes having an over-impactful villain difficult.

[chiefchirpa]

Say no to Baron Zemo, another chance for Hugo Weaving

[chiefchirpa]

We SHOULD see Hydra again imo. I would like to see AIM also.

Perhaps AIM could be the primary antagonist in Cap II, spreading WMD's to rogue organizations/nations fulfilling the "political thriller" criteria. Maybe AIM could even be hinted at as a supplier to the Ten Rings in IM III.

Then when they sleuth out and stop AIM, they discover the big reveal, that HYDRA is still operating behind the scenes.

I would hate to waste Weaving for just one movie as well. Maybe have them learn that Zemo is running HYDRA. Skull finds his way back to earth so many years later and retakes control of HYDRA.

Just ideas, but there is lots of fun to be had there. Plenty of material to work with and we haven't even gotten to the henchmen Lt.'s yet.

AIM is best given to the Ant-Man franchise (Henry Pym, Janet v Dyne, and so on). You know Science vs Science. AIM is a bit less ruthless than Hydra, yet more controlling. I know I could see MODOK comes alive with all its ridiculousness with Edgar Wrights' Ant-Man. But not with the gritty, political thriller Captain America.

Captain America -> Hydra, Zemo's groupie
Ant-Man -> AIM
Iron Man -> Ten Rings, Maggia
Marvel Studios Daredevil -> the Hand

[marcvader]

If Red Skull is not being used then Zemo needs to be brought in. I also wouldn't mind Crossbones as a henchman or secondary villain as he's not strong enough to carry a movie by himself. Hydra should be used as well.

[Whiskey Tango]

I almost feel like the toned down Red Skull was part of the attempt to capture the serial movie feel. If he returns in a modern setting I would hope he would be nastier (likely going by what people are saying about Loki in Avengers) but I would also retain Weaving as the shortcomings in the Skulls portrayal were not his imo.

[The Infernal]

Whether it's a Cap sequel or an Avengers sequel, I think Red Skull (with Weaving) should return. I liked Weaving's performance and they left it arguably open for him to return at some point.

[Mr. Immortal]

Whether it's a Cap sequel or an Avengers sequel, I think Red Skull (with Weaving) should return. I liked Weaving's performance and they left it arguably open for him to return at some point.

Weaving said he didn't want to come back. I don't think he would unless they can tempt him with an Avengers sequel spotlight.

[The Infernal]

I didn't know he outright said he didn't want to do another one, though I think I did read that he wasn't exactly keen on the idea either. Best case scenario is that they could tempt him back with a better written role. Also, wouldn't he have signed a multiple film contract? Isn't that the standard deal these days?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Also were and when did Weaving say he didnt want to come back? I do hope if he does come back they write better material for him, for me Weaving was wasted in the first movie.

[Mr. Immortal]

I didn't know he outright said he didn't want to do another one, though I think I did read that he wasn't exactly keen on the idea either. Best case scenario is that they could tempt him back with a better written role. Also, wouldn't he have signed a multiple film contract? Isn't that the standard deal these days?

I think depending on how well Avengers does, they can definitely tempt him back in some capacity. Maybe. I don't know...

''Though Weaving says that such big-budget fare as "Captain America" can be a lot of fun -- not to mention lucrative -- these movies don't present the kind of acting challenges on which he thrives.

"I think I've about had enough," he says.

"I'm not sure how many more of them I'll make. It doesn't feel to me as though they've been the majority of my work, though that's probably the way it seems to most other people."''

Yeah, not sure. He definitely doesn't sound too eager but money talks. I don't think he would have said that statement if he signed a multi picture deal. Seems too professional to do something like that.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think depending on how well Avengers does, they can definitely tempt him back in some capacity. Maybe. I don't know...

''Though Weaving says that such big-budget fare as "Captain America" can be a lot of fun -- not to mention lucrative -- these movies don't present the kind of acting challenges on which he thrives.

"I think I've about had enough," he says.

"I'm not sure how many more of them I'll make. It doesn't feel to me as though they've been the majority of my work, though that's probably the way it seems to most other people."''

Yeah, not sure. He definitely doesn't sound too eager but money talks. I don't think he would have said that statement if he signed a multi picture deal. Seems too professional to do something like that.


I'm sure Weaving has said this before though, may have been after The Matrix Trilogy, correct me if i'm wrong of course.

The problem with RS in the first movie was that the writing for the character was so generic and cliche, they really didnt need an actor of the calibre of Weaving to portray it, a lot of actors of lesser talent could have done the part. Maybe that is what Weaving is complaining about, give him a meatier role with better writing and something he can really get into and he may come back.

[antonydelfini]

I guess we are going into Ed Brubaker territory with the political thriller mixed with superheroics stuff they are talking about. Personally, I'd like that. My complaint with the First Avenger was that I didnt feel any sense of danger and the stakes didnt feel high enough. I want a grittier and more violent film, but one that never loses sight on the heart and spirit of Steve Rogers.

[Spider-Fan]

First Cap movie was pretty violent, if you ask me. I mean, dude got cut up by a propeller.

[Whiskey Tango]

First Cap movie was pretty violent, if you ask me. I mean, dude got cut up by a propeller.

"For years afterwards the villagers below would talk of the day a delicious meat sauce rained from the sky."

[TheVileOne]

What I think Cap 2 should do, the Peggy/Cap scenes that were taken out of The Avengers, simply work them into Cap 2. That way you can sort of bring his arc full circle.

[Hypestyle]

the next one should be heavy on espionage and action.. get Ed Brubaker to write the story..

[Whiskey Tango]

He doesn't have to be directly involved but an espionage feel like Brubaker's stuff would be excellent, especially if Cap is remaining involved with Shield. John McTiernan to direct please.

[Mr. Immortal]

He doesn't have to be directly involved but an espionage feel like Brubaker's stuff would be excellent, especially if Cap is remaining involved with Shield. John McTiernan to direct please.

Wow, McTiernan would be an amazing choice. That's some smart thinking. Never thought about that.

Also, I would really prefer it if modern comics superhero writers stayed away from the films.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah no. McTiernan hasn't done a good movie in about a century.

Also have you guys read the news at all lately? McTiernan is never getting this job.

Listen, I love movies like Die Hard and Predator too but McTiernan hasn't been that McTiernan in over 20 years. His last two movies were also ROLLERBALL and BASIC.

[antonydelfini]

Action movie master McTiernan would bring the grit and realism needed for a Cap sequel. Sign him up! He needs to bring his Die Hard-Predator-Hunt for the Red October game to make a great Cap movie! Another suggestion is Duncan Jones (Moon, Source Code) or Neil Blokamp (District 9).

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah no. McTiernan hasn't done a good movie in about a century.

Also have you guys read the news at all lately? McTiernan is never getting this job.

Listen, I love movies like Die Hard and Predator too but McTiernan hasn't been that McTiernan in over 20 years. His last two movies were also ROLLERBALL and BASIC.

It's my goddamn fantasy. He can direct it from prison. :cmad:

Also Basic was pretty good.

[jonathancrane]

Now that the Avengers is over, hopefully the screenwriters will be able to breathe while writing the second one. CA:TFA had to accomplish a lot: introduce Steve, his relationship with Bucky, Peggy, and transformation to Captain America; introduce Red Skull, Hydra, and add to the foundation of the MCU (the Tesseract, references to Odin's War with the Frost Giants, among others,) and also lead to the Avengers. Now that all of that has been accomplished, I hope that they relax and focus more on characters and the related mythology.

I have mixed thoughts on the "Political Thriller" description: I will elaborate upon them later.

[TheVileOne]

Whiskey Tango, sorry dude but McTiernan will NEVER get hired to do a movie of this magnitude. His professional career in Hollywood is pretty much over. His time as a power director player is over. I mean it sucks because he did do some tremendous, benchmark movies but I mean that's not happening anymore. He hasn't done a movie in 10 years and hasn't done a HIT movie in even longer.

[MarvelKnight]

Now that the Avengers is over, hopefully the screenwriters will be able to breathe while writing the second one. CA:TFA had to accomplish a lot: introduce Steve, his relationship with Bucky, Peggy, and transformation to Captain America; introduce Red Skull, Hydra, and add to the foundation of the MCU (the Tesseract, references to Odin's War with the Frost Giants, among others,) and also lead to the Avengers. Now that all of that has been accomplished, I hope that they relax and focus more on characters and the related mythology.

I have mixed thoughts on the "Political Thriller" description: I will elaborate upon them later.

I do agree, there is definitely the chance to relax in that all the exposition as you stated is over. Now is the time to flesh out Cap even more. As for the "political thriller" I think something along the lines of what 'Salt' did. It had political overtones, espionage, sleeper agents action and whatnot. Infuse Captain America, SHIELD and while we don't need Salt2:Captain America, I think bits and pieces of those elements (maybe not so much sleeper agents but you get the idea) would make a great sequel to cap.

[marcvader]

Would love a Brad Bird directed sequel but he probably has his hands full if he goes back with the MI franchise.

[Mr. Immortal]

Whiskey Tango, sorry dude but McTiernan will NEVER get hired to do a movie of this magnitude. His professional career in Hollywood is pretty much over. His time as a power director player is over. I mean it sucks because he did do some tremendous, benchmark movies but I mean that's not happening anymore. He hasn't done a movie in 10 years and hasn't done a HIT movie in even longer.

Er, you're acting like McTiernan needs everything you said. You do realize that the directors they're picking right now aren't exactly marquee names with a wealth of experience and hits? If anything, everything you just said points to McTiernan being a possible choice. Favreau had never done a movie the magnitude of Iron Man, RDJ's career was stalled, Wheddon didn't have any big budget financial successes either, there's too many examples of Marvel Studios taking chances for me to name.

[MarvelKnight]

Would love a Brad Bird directed sequel but he probably has his hands full if he goes back with the MI franchise.

Actually, he said he wasn't going to be back for the sequel in an interview with CraveOnline. I wouldn't mind a Cap movie directed by him.

I thought Brian De Palma would be a good choice. (pure coincidence that he did MI 1)

[TheVileOne]

Er, you're acting like McTiernan needs everything you said. You do realize that the directors they're picking right now aren't exactly marquee names with a wealth of experience and hits? If anything, everything you just said points to McTiernan being a possible choice. Favreau had never done a movie the magnitude of Iron Man, RDJ's career was stalled, Wheddon didn't have any big budget financial successes either, there's too many examples of Marvel Studios taking chances for me to name.

You are talking about apples and oranges. Favreau was a rising director at the time of Iron Man.

Once again, McTiernan has directed NOTHING since since 2003. His last two movies were flops. Is McTiernan your uncle or something?

Also dude is a convicted felon now . . . so I mean . . . Marvel isn't going to take a chance on a guy like McTiernan. Sorry, come again.