Light Tubes Is Not A Wrestling Thread! - - - Part 57

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[The Sage]

SD! Replay Tonight
As a reminder, Syfy will be airing a replay of this week's live Smackdown tonight in its usual Friday night time slot.

More Details on WWE No Way Out Concept
The following is the description of the DVD release for WWE's No Way Out PPV, which will be returning in June. The description notes that the PPV will indeed feature cage matches with various stipulations in place to "prevent opponents from escaping:"

After a three year hiatus, WWE No Way Out is back and recharged! The annual pay-per-view that became notorious for its brutal, main event Steel Cage Matches gets reincarnated, but this time the Superstars of WWE will take the thematic event a step further, as they find new and innovative ways to prevent opponents from escaping. All stipulations in place, which may include Lumberjack, Strap, Chain, Steel Cage, Handcuff Matches or more will ensure no respite from the chaos inside the ring.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/253071-more-details-on-no-way-out-concept-sd-replay-tonight

[Anno_Domini]

How are they gonna do a lumberjack steel cage match?

[Dr. Evil]

SD! Replay Tonight
As a reminder, Syfy will be airing a replay of this week's live Smackdown tonight in its usual Friday night time slot.

More Details on WWE No Way Out Concept
The following is the description of the DVD release for WWE's No Way Out PPV, which will be returning in June. The description notes that the PPV will indeed feature cage matches with various stipulations in place to "prevent opponents from escaping:"

After a three year hiatus, WWE No Way Out is back and recharged! The annual pay-per-view that became notorious for its brutal, main event Steel Cage Matches gets reincarnated, but this time the Superstars of WWE will take the thematic event a step further, as they find new and innovative ways to prevent opponents from escaping. All stipulations in place, which may include Lumberjack, Strap, Chain, Steel Cage, Handcuff Matches or more will ensure no respite from the chaos inside the ring.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/253071-more-details-on-no-way-out-concept-sd-replay-tonight

Stupid. If anything the WWE needs to get rid of a few PPV events.

Once again the WWE shows it's utter retardness.

[The Sage]

How are they gonna do a lumberjack steel cage match?

I guess you get beat down when you escape the cage?

[Anno_Domini]

So...much like JR's great words, "No one wins, you merely survive", lol.

If you survive a beat down after you escape, you're the winner? Haha.

BUT...that does make me want a lumberjack hell in a cell where the lumberjacks are inside the cell as well.

[Dr. Evil]

Also, No Way Out means that there is a 100% chance that there will be no divas match.

[The Sage]

- Mick Foley commented on traveling for WWE this week:

"1,700 driving miles in 3 days has given me a much clearer image of what I am willing, and NOT willing to do in WWE. Fog is finally lifting."

- WWE's DVD on The Undertaker's WrestleMania Streak that comes out in a few months will be a four-disc DVD and three-disc Blu-ray.

- The feud between Kane and Randy Orton will end at WWE's Extreme Rules pay-per-view. No word yet on what's planned for either Superstar. At last word, Orton wasn't scheduled for a World Heavyweight Title feud until later this year.

Source: F4Wonline.com

- WWE will return to Tokyo, Japan for SmackDown events on August 9th and 10th of this year.

- Here is the synopsis for WWE's $10 DVD on John Cena that's a part of the new Superstars Collection. The Cena DVD comes out with the Zack Ryder DVD on July 3rd:

"Since ascending to the pinnacle of WWE superstardom, John Cena has stared down an endless gauntlet of doubters, haters, as well as the fiercest challengers WWE has to offer, and risen above them all. His determination and resilience have earned him legions of fans, and nothing brings the members of Cenation to their feet more than seeing their hero rise to the occasion inside the squared circle. With this special compilation, relive some of the greatest battles featuring the most popular WWE Superstar of this generation, including matches never-before released on DVD!"

- Rumors are that WWE Diva Layla will return to TV once RAW and SmackDown return from the current overseas tour.

- As seen on Tuesday's live SmackDown special, Kane attacked "Cowboy" Bob Orton Jr. and then attacked his son Randy Orton. WWE's website posted a storyline update saying that both Ortons were taken to a local medical facility on Tuesday night for treatment.

According to the article, WWE Dr. Michael Samson examined them before releasing them Tuesday night. Bob Orton suffered bruising and abrasions and the doctor requested x-rays and possibly an MRI to provide further diagnosis. It was later noted by Josh Mathews that Orton's dad suffered abdominal injuries.

Regarding Randy Orton's injury from the attack, they wrote:

"The onslaught Randy Orton suffered to his back and abdomen, thanks The Big Red Monster’s metal pipe, also left visual bruising and abrasions. With the history of WWE’s Apex Predator’s back problems – including a herniated disc injury that took him out of action – Dr. Samson stressed that every precaution will be taken before a more concrete diagnosis is determined."

RVD's TNA Status
According to PWInsider.com, Rob Van Dam is now back full time with TNA following several months of inactivity. RVD made his return at Impact Wrestling last night and was added to the Lethal Lockdown match at TNA Lockdown. It's being said that going forward, TNA will be pushing RVD as a top star in the company.

Carter Says Changes Are Coming to Impact
While speaking to F4WOnline.com recently, TNA President Dixie Carter noted that a lot of changes are coming to Impact Wrestling, particularly where the presentation of the show is concerned. Carter revealed that she had met with SpikeTV officials the day before, and while she could not reveal any specific details, a transformation will be taking place soon and will include "format changes and new elements." Carter added that the company's focus will be on developing young talent.

As far as Bruce Prichard is concerned, Carter noted that he has returned to work after suffering a small heart attack. Carter said Prichard had lost 31 pounds and was scheduled for heart surgery prior to the heart attack.

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http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/253093-rvds-tna-status-carter-says-changes-are-coming-to-impact

[Anno_Domini]

Also, No Way Out means that there is a 100% chance that there will be no divas match.

A divas steel cage match.

Would I be the only one interested in that?

- The feud between Kane and Randy Orton will end at WWE's Extreme Rules pay-per-view. No word yet on what's planned for either Superstar. At last word, Orton wasn't scheduled for a World Heavyweight Title feud until later this year.

I honestly stopped caring about this new Kane after his feud with Cena and Ryder. That pretty much destroyed the idea that the Big Red Monster had returned. Kane should've been built up instead of having his first two feuds from return being against two of the top faces of the brand and just lose cleanly to them besides an awful WM match.

Give me Brothers of Destruction one more time though :up:

[Pink Ranger]

Love the thread title. :up: Anybody who sees it but isn't a regular here will think we've all gone insane.

[Dr. Evil]

A divas steel cage match.

Would I be the only one interested in that?



Not unless it involved Kharma, Beth Phoenix and/or Natalya. But the WWE isn't smart enough to do that.

[AntMan]

Gimmicks on top of gimmicks? Geez.

[Anno_Domini]

Not unless it involved Kharma, Beth Phoenix and/or Natalya. But the WWE isn't smart enough to do that.

Kharma and Beth Phoenix for the Divas championship in a steel cage would be miraculous. It could happen if they keep the title around Beth up until then.

[Metallo]

Yeah, and it's WWE's fault. HHH/Taker/HBK are the last of their kind.They came up at a time when wrestlers used to travel the world or go from wrestling federation to federation, honing their craft. Guys weren't just popping out of WWE development farmhouses.

The booking was better. Guys got the chance to show their skills. Each were given proper time to shine. There's no shaky ground or questions about whether these guys are big names or main-eventers. Belts weren't just hotshotted on people like they are now.

It is definitely the end of an era. I've said this before: CM Punk feels like he came out of there era, like he was in wrestling a few years too late.

Throw Jericho's name in there as part of the last breed. It really hit me a couple of days ago when I was rewatching Edge when he announced his retirement last year.

WWE has gotten a little better about hiring a few indie guys and some guys from over seas but they usually get them before they've had enough experience. And you're right they book them like crap. Vince doesn't want anyone looking too strong.

The big leagues also don't have enough older more experienced wrestlers to teach the younger wrestlers. If they get that its usually on the indies and the quality of those guys isn't always the best these days. I mean...Buff Bagwell is considered a veteran to these kids and its not like someone like him has much to teach compared to a Harley Race or Terry Funk.

Bryan and Punk had the advantage of not only wrestling around the country and the world but doing it for years. They were experienced hands at their craft.

Now WWE gets guys fresh on the indies and sends them to their own farm system. Hopefully Triple overhauls it. WWE needs at least 3 different developmental promotions in different parts of the country to send their new talent to.



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Still feel this was all BS and was going to end this way no matter what his health is.

Gerweck.net again.


Damn shame if she's back to being F'ed up again. Seemed like she did a lot to clean herself up.

Angle was never going to make the Olympics. It was just over the top self promotion. Darth Hogan would be proud.

As for Sunny...you can't always teach an old skank new tricks. I'm not surprised.

[The Sage]

Question...a DVD set was put out in the last few years that had Flair/Steamboat's bout from Chi-Town Rumble in 1989. It was the first of their series. Anyone remember what the set was?

I have the 2nd and 3rd matches one of my Flair collections. But not the 1st, and I liked that match the best.

[Dr. Evil]

Kharma and Beth Phoenix for the Divas championship in a steel cage would be miraculous. It could happen if they keep the title around Beth up until then.

Chances of that happening though is 0%. Knowing the WWE, if Beth and Kharma meet for the Divas Title (it rages me when the announcers call the divas title "gold" when it's not gold) it'll be a Lumberjill match.

[The Sage]

A divas steel cage match.

Would I be the only one interested in that?


Depends on who's in the match.


I honestly stopped caring about this new Kane after his feud with Cena and Ryder. That pretty much destroyed the idea that the Big Red Monster had returned. Kane should've been built up instead of having his first two feuds from return being against two of the top faces of the brand and just lose cleanly to them besides an awful WM match.

Give me Brothers of Destruction one more time though :up:

A one-time reunion would be cool to see.

[NDX]

More Details on WWE No Way Out Concept
The following is the description of the DVD release for WWE's No Way Out PPV, which will be returning in June. The description notes that the PPV will indeed feature cage matches with various stipulations in place to "prevent opponents from escaping:"

After a three year hiatus, WWE No Way Out is back and recharged! The annual pay-per-view that became notorious for its brutal, main event Steel Cage Matches gets reincarnated, but this time the Superstars of WWE will take the thematic event a step further, as they find new and innovative ways to prevent opponents from escaping. All stipulations in place, which may include Lumberjack, Strap, Chain, Steel Cage, Handcuff Matches or more will ensure no respite from the chaos inside the ring.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/253071-more-details-on-no-way-out-concept-sd-replay-tonight
Can you say... overkill?

[Anno_Domini]

Nothing overkill about a steel cage in a steel cage match, lol.

[NDX]

Question...a DVD set was put out in the last few years that had Flair/Steamboat's bout from Chi-Town Rumble in 1989. It was the first of their series. Anyone remember what the set was?

I have the 2nd and 3rd matches one of my Flair collections. But not the 1st, and I liked that match the best.

I think that is on the Greatest Stars of the 80s series. I'd go check my dvd, but I have them holding up some records right now so I'm not screwing with that setup at the moment.

Here, this confrims it. http://www.highspots.com/product.asp?affiliateid=759&id=12891

Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair - NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match - Chi-Town Rumble 2/20/89

[Metallo]

Question...a DVD set was put out in the last few years that had Flair/Steamboat's bout from Chi-Town Rumble in 1989. It was the first of their series. Anyone remember what the set was?

I have the 2nd and 3rd matches one of my Flair collections. But not the 1st, and I liked that match the best.

Their match from Chi Town Rumble is on the Rise and Fall of WCW dvd set, Sage.

[LOBO3315a]

Love the thread title. :up: Anybody who sees it but isn't a regular here will think we've all gone insane.

I all ready do. But then again, I'm part of the madness.

[Anno_Domini]

Chances of that happening though is 0%. Knowing the WWE, if Beth and Kharma meet for the Divas Title (it rages me when the announcers call the divas title "gold" when it's not gold) it'll be a Lumberjill match.

That's it. I'm calling for a lumberjill hell in a cell match between Khama and Beth for the Divas title, haha. That would be insanely awesome, imo.

And yah, the title being called "gold" is ignorant, but what's more stupid than that is the title just being called the Divas championship. I hate that change.

A one-time reunion would be cool to see.

I wouldn't mind seeing that pair against a team under Johnny Ace, if he finally forms a stable.

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

How are they gonna do a lumberjack steel cage match?

The wrestlers sit on top of the cage.

[NDX]

Nothing overkill about a steel cage in a steel cage match, lol.

:o

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Marking his territory. Riiiiiight.

[Dr. Evil]

That's it. I'm calling for a lumberjill hell in a cell match between Khama and Beth for the Divas title, haha. That would be insanely awesome, imo.



I would be intrigued by that type of match.

[Dr. Evil]

Love the thread title. :up: Anybody who sees it but isn't a regular here will think we've all gone insane.

Like they haven't already?

[bullets]

I wish Jeff Hardy would come back to WWE, honestly. He'd instantly be #3 face, IMO. Its never gonna happen, though.


He still has some bitterness towards WWE over making his home fire an angle. Also he has issues with CM Punk. It's kind of a shame but at the same time it could of been disastrous if he committed another strike.
At least now that it's been awhile he seems healthy and probably enjoys his time in TNA.



WWE is about the same overall as it was a few years ago. in some areas its better and in others its worse. The tag division is a bit weaker and the Divas division has almost totally went into the toilet. Every time there's a ray of hope (Kharma, The Hart Dynasty) it never seems to work out.

Their youth movement has had strong and weak momentum. For a while they were on a great path to pushing young talent but in the last year or so some of that momentum has been lost.

Mark Henry had a fantastic monster heel run but sadly it didn't go as far as it could have for various reasons. He and Show actually entertained me. Who would have thunk it? We need more strong heels. Del Rios a joke right now. Roodes dusted him in the last 6 months.

Punk had the hottest angle of the year last summer but Triple H had to stick his big nose in. The COO storyline was a joke. As bad as Hogan running Impact. Since then Punk has done some fantastic work though.

Lesnars return has added an exciting new element.


It's been a strange year for WWE. If you look at perceptions around WM 27 and now it's entirely different.

I think Hogan could work in the TNA GM role but not if him and Bischoff are taking center stage.


Because of my schedule, I had to do a lot of backtracking of the TNA shows via youtube. The shows have gotten better. They are putting on a better product than WWE at the moment.


It's hard for me to catch as much because I work nights. I'll probably give it another go thanks to youtube. The Roode and Storm feud has a great build-up for lockdown.

I don't know if TNA is better but they do a better job in some aspects. Right now the midcard in wwe is a mess , the tag division almost non existent and the woman's division isn't what it should be. Hopefully that all changes soon.

[LuisTX85]

I've made other threads like this But now I'm curious about somethings for wrestling,What IF history was different for many big-huge happenings?

-What IF Vince Mcmahon Sr lived&not retired until the late 90's?

-What IF Iron Shiek won&retained the WWF title against Hogan in'85 and Hogan became A big name But not THE face of the company/wrestling that year??

-What IF Flair died during his plane accident?

-What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

-What IF the steroids trail didn't happen and Hogan stayed in WWF?

-What IF nWo did not happen?

-What IF Sting remained Surfer Sting instead of going Crow?

-What IF the Savage/Vince Jr personal feud never happened?

-What IF WCW did not get shut-down?

-What IF WWF remained as WWF even to today?

-What IF Brock remained in the company for at least another year before going for football&UFC?

-What IF Eddie did not die?

-What IF Benoit did not murder his family and remained wrestling?

[The Sage]

I think that is on the Greatest Stars of the 80s series. I'd go check my dvd, but I have them holding up some records right now so I'm not screwing with that setup at the moment.

Here, this confrims it. http://www.highspots.com/product.asp?affiliateid=759&id=12891

Ah, I wonder if I should pick that set up.

Their match from Chi Town Rumble is on the Rise and Fall of WCW dvd set, Sage.

Thanks. I just remembered I have this set. I put the disc in. Bout to watch a few vintage matches.

[Pink Ranger]

-What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

The Attitude Era would have still happened, but with Hart vs. Austin in the Wrestlemania main event. DX would still have continued, but would have been a mid-card act, as Shawn would have likelier retired a lot sooner after the Montreal Survivor Series. Since DX-post-Shawn was a mid-card act anyway, and Austin was already being groomed for the top face position, the Attitude Era itself would have those two major components still.

The big impact would have been either Foley or the Rock. Hart would have essentially assumed one of their roles, either as the corporate champion pushed aside for the younger, more athletic, model, or as the long-term corporate heel. If Hart took Foley's role, Mankind would be kept as a midcard act, as he still would have a place in the hardcore division.

If Hart took Rock's role, we'd likely see Rock end up in WCW after about a year. :eek:

[Metallo]

SD! Replay Tonight
As a reminder, Syfy will be airing a replay of this week's live Smackdown tonight in its usual Friday night time slot.

More Details on WWE No Way Out Concept
The following is the description of the DVD release for WWE's No Way Out PPV, which will be returning in June. The description notes that the PPV will indeed feature cage matches with various stipulations in place to "prevent opponents from escaping:"

After a three year hiatus, WWE No Way Out is back and recharged! The annual pay-per-view that became notorious for its brutal, main event Steel Cage Matches gets reincarnated, but this time the Superstars of WWE will take the thematic event a step further, as they find new and innovative ways to prevent opponents from escaping. All stipulations in place, which may include Lumberjack, Strap, Chain, Steel Cage, Handcuff Matches or more will ensure no respite from the chaos inside the ring.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/253071-more-details-on-no-way-out-concept-sd-replay-tonight

Am I reading that right? Do they mean all the matches will take place in a cage PLUS those stips or do they mean that each match will have the two opponents stuck together somehow and that a cage match is just one way it'll be done? Its got to be the latter. The former sounds ridiculous.


He still has some bitterness towards WWE over making his home fire an angle. Also he has issues with CM Punk. It's kind of a shame but at the same time it could of been disastrous if he committed another strike.

At least now that it's been awhile he seems healthy and probably enjoys his time in TNA.

It sucks since Hardy and Punk had great chemistry despite developing problems with each other. They could have been the next Bret vs Shawn-like rivalry (in more ways than one).


It's been a strange year for WWE. If you look at perceptions around WM 27 and now it's entirely different.

I think Hogan could work in the TNA GM role but not if him and Bischoff are taking center stage.

The midcard push was going strong but at some point WWE lost focus on that.

As for Hogan...yeah that would be nice but we all know chances are slim. There is really nothing else he can do either.

It's hard for me to catch as much because I work nights. I'll probably give it another go thanks to youtube. The Roode and Storm feud has a great build-up for lockdown.

I don't know if TNA is better but they do a better job in some aspects. Right now the midcard in wwe is a mess , the tag division almost non existent and the woman's division isn't what it should be. Hopefully that all changes soon.

The MCMG returning immediately put TNA's tag division over WWE's even though both are weak at the moment. Primo and Epico have some potential. So do the Usos. Yet WWE really hasn't used them as best they could.

[Superark]

Credit www.PWInsider.com


In the New York Times piece talking about Kurt Angle pulling out of the Olympic Trials, they referred to him as a "WWE wrestler". Ouch.

The 4/12 edition of Impact did a 0.98 rating with 1,395,000 viewers. So much for weddings always drawing ratings. I guess they can be negated by nepotism.


On social media this week, Eric Bischoff blasted the UFC show that left Spike TV for FX, crowing about how Impact does a better number (which is true but kind of tacky to brag about). I really have to wonder if karma slapped down the Impact rating to under a 1.00 this week because it didn't like Bischoff shooting off his mouth. Usually, weddings draw big numbers and this week's show LOST viewers, so if it wasn't karma that slapped the Impact number down it very well may have been due to Uncle Eric pushing his son at the expense of real wrestlers. A wedding is supposed to ADD viewers not cost Impact 82,000 of them.


Hulk Hogan's Belleair estate, where he filmed "Hogan Knows Best" in happier times, sold yesterday for $6.2 million. Five years ago, Hogan put it on the market for $25 million. Ouch.

[Pink Ranger]

Hulk Hogan's Belleair estate, where he filmed "Hogan Knows Best" in happier times, sold yesterday for $6.2 million. Five years ago, Hogan put it on the market for $25 million. Ouch.
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It's the first time in history Hulk has sold anything.

[AntMan]

Bischoff is an idiot. Ratings aren't as important as some people believe. Look at UFC buyrates compared to TNA and WWE. Ratings don't really matter now as much as during the monday night wars.

[Metallo]

I've made other threads like this But now I'm curious about somethings for wrestling,What IF history was different for many big-huge happenings?

-What IF Vince McMahon Sr lived&not retired until the late 90's?

He probably would have given more control to his son anyway even if he didn't outright sell to Vince Jr. National expansion just HAD to happen with the way media was changing and the public appetites for entertainment were growing but the expansion wouldn't have been as big. WWF would have still grown from a territory to a company with wider exposure. If Vince had never taken over he would have never bought out Georgia Championship Wrestling. I can't see it being done under Vince Sr. No Black Saturday. That could have affected The Crockett's and Turner's plans throughout the 80's.

If The Crocketts hadn't felt the need to compete as hard against WWF they probably would have kept control of their company longer.


-What IF Iron Sheik won&retained the WWF title against Hogan in'85 and Hogan became A big name But not THE face of the company/wrestling that year??

Well, if Hogan wasn't the guy they would have gone with someone else eventually. Tensions with Iran were strong through the 80's so they would have either created a new All American hero to take the title from the Sheik or kept Sgt Slaughter around to be the top face for a little while. I can't see Slaughter doing as well as Hogan but for a short time it would have been successful.

Vince could have tried to go with another top guy from the NWA or the AWA as his top star. Maybe Curt Hennig or someone else he could mold into an All American guy. Magnum TA would have been far too southern for Vince's tastes. Eventually I could see him giving Luger and Sting a shot in the late 80's.


-What IF Flair died during his plane accident?

The NWA would have gone with someone else as their top guy in the 80's but it probably wouldn't have worked as well. Harley Race might have stayed top heel a little longer. Instead of working with Flair he may have put someone like Steamboat or Dusty over as a new top babyface star. They needed a workhorse in the spot so I'd go with Steamboat. He was young with a great look and very talented in the ring.

No Flair means that many wrestlers that would come later lose one of their biggest influences. HBK and HHH being the biggest examples. No Flair possibly means no Horsemen and we never have one of the most influential factions of all time.


-What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

Austins rise was unavoidable. I think Vince was going with HBK as his guy before that if Bret had left or not. There just wasn't enough room in the WWF for Bret and Shawn. Bret was about 40 years old in 1997 and if he had stayed I could see him winding down his in ring career as the 90's came to a close. Bret may have eventually become an agent.

Owen may have lived and never gone down the path that ended with him as the Blue Blazer again. Bret MAY have been the one to put Austin over at WM 14 but I think it would have been Shawn.

Now if Bret stayed who knows how that would have affected the series of events that led to Shawn's injury at the Royal Rumble. It may not have ever happened and Shawn could have stuck around for the Attitude Era. of course his drug problems may have gotten worse. Hard to say.

I could see Austin vs HBK and DX going on as a heated rivalry throughout 1998.

No Screwjob means the Mr McMahon character wouldn't have had as strong a launch. Vince probably would have done it anyway but he may not have began as hated as he was.


-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would have continued on in the midcard doing solid work, maybe have gotten a WWF title run as a transitional champion, then wound down his career and retire within 5 years or so.


-What IF the steroids trail didn't happen and Hogan stayed in WWF?

People would have eventually tired of him it just may not have happened quite as soon. Now if Hogan had been willing to step away from the main event and become a part timer/special attraction it may have extended his career lifespan considerably.


-What IF nWo did not happen?

WCW wouldn't have beaten WWF as quickly. It may have still happened but not in such a memorable fashion. The NWO angle really changed the way their entire product was presented. We went from the more cartoonish corporate WCW that had the likes of the Dungeon of Doom to a more realistic in your face style program.


-What IF Sting remained Surfer Sting instead of going Crow?

It would have eventually worn thin. Not sure how long that would have taken but Sting knew he had to evolve and by the Jerry Springer/Lewinsky Scandal/ Simpson trial oversaturated late 90's the Surfer Sting would have seemed a little corny.


-What IF the Savage/Vince Jr personal feud never happened?

Savage would have stayed on as an announcer and a occasional wrestler. He would have gone into the HOF by now thats for damn sure.


-What IF WCW did not get shut-down?

They would have limped along until Time Warner cleaned house at the top and finally found someone to fix things. WCW may have never reached the heights that it had before but it would have survived as a solid number 2 company. Or Time Warner still would have sold it they just would have been willing to keep airing WCW programming on their stations through some kind of deal with WCW's new owners.


-What IF WWF remained as WWF even to today?

Id be happier. I still miss the "Federation." We wouldn't be bothered by so many damn BLURS and dubbed over sound on dvd releases.


-What IF Brock remained in the company for at least another year before going for football&UFC?

He would have stayed a top guy just not being pushed as hard as he was in his first year. He may have wrestled Triple H one on one at some point. Maybe on the way out. Or he could have gone into WM21 as a champion and put over Cena instead of JBL doing the honors.


-What IF Eddie did not die?

He would have continue having a solid career...maybe a few more world title runs. he would have helped Batista sort out a lot of his sh** and grow as a performer. He would have had at least one epic match with Shawn Michaels. Then Eddie would be winding his career down by now. He might even be retired. Benoit may not have snapped as hard as he did but thats a big question mark. Who knows


-What IF Benoit did not murder his family and remained wrestling?

He would have wound his career down as a strong upper midcard guy teaching the new talent. he would have had a great match with CM Punk at Vengeance (or whatever PPV it was). Benoit would have been a strong veteran presence on the new ECW for a while. By now he'd be retired and an agent. His neck was a ticking timebomb by that point and he'd had a lot of wear and tear.

[Slushy]

Re: Bret

Austin Vs. Hart for the WWF Championship would've arguably been the greatest Wrestlemania main event of all-time and The Hitman would've gone to have 5 matches against and putting over Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, and Kurt Angle. Good chance Shawn Michaels would've died from his partying ways gone out of control.

Re: Owen

He didn't about being world champion, but would've eventually won the WWF Championship as a "Thank you" gesture from management.

Re: Lesnar

I think he would've won the title back from Eddie (who was supposed to be a long term champion if he didn't let the pressure get to him) and would've had the title for awhile before dropping it to Cena at No Way Out or some other show before defeating HHH at Wrestlemania 21 although I'm not sure if that match would've been for a world title or not. Evolution would've stayed together as well.

Re: That One Guy

We would've had a 5 star match at Vengeance 2007 with him defeating Punk. After he lost the title, he would've been back to jobbing to new talent.


Question...a DVD set was put out in the last few years that had Flair/Steamboat's bout from Chi-Town Rumble in 1989. It was the first of their series.


Fun fact: Chi-Town Rumble is Ric Flair's favorite match while the Clash of The Champions rematch is Ricky Steamboat's!

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So I don't think many people really checked out that Promotion Wars game, but I've been running a WWE file. Just got done with the Royal Rumble.

I ended the roster split and combined both shows. As a consequence, I started a feud between CM Punk and Daniel Bryan to unify the two world titles. That feud culminated in a Best 2 of 3 Falls match in with CM Punk won to unify the titles.

I started a feud between The Rock and John Cena. Rock announced that he'd be retiring after the Rumble... But of course I still had him go over Cena. =) I did have him lose a match on Raw to Daniel Bryan though to help build Bryan for his title match. Rock wasn't too happy about it.

I signed Chris Jericho to come back. He won the Royal Rumble by eliminating The Rock (Rock entered at #1 and went all the way to the final 2, getting 13 eliminations). Jericho and CM Punk should headline Wrestlemania.

In other feuds, Zack Ryder retained his US Championship against Wade Barrett, and Cody Rhodes retained the Intercontinental Championship against Booker T.

Ziggler and Swagger had won the Tag Team Titles on an episode of Smackdown against Air Boom and retained at the Royal Rumble.

Hunico and Justin Gabriel had been tearing down the house on Superstars, so I rewarded them by creating a Light-Heavyweight Championship, which Gabriel won in a Ladder Match.

Team Laurinaitus (Otunga and Brie Bella) defeated Team Teddy (Santino and Nikki Bella) for full control of Raw and Smackdown and Triple H beat The Miz.

[Daniel Thompson]

He probably would have given more control to his son anyway even if he didn't outright sell to Vince Jr. National expansion just HAD to happen with the way media was changing and the public appetites for entertainment were growing but the expansion wouldn't have been as big. WWF would have still grown from a territory to a company with wider exposure. If Vince had never taken over he would have never bought out Georgia Championship Wrestling. I can't see it being done under Vince Sr. No Black Saturday. That could have affected The Crockett's and Turner's plans throughout the 80's.

If The Crocketts hadn't felt the need to compete as hard against WWF they probably would have kept control of their company longer.




Well, if Hogan wasn't the guy they would have gone with someone else eventually. Tensions with Iran were strong through the 80's so they would have either created a new All American hero to take the title from the Sheik or kept Sgt Slaughter around to be the top face for a little while. I can't see Slaughter doing as well as Hogan but for a short time it would have been successful.

Vince could have tried to go with another top guy from the NWA or the AWA as his top star. Maybe Curt Hennig or someone else he could mold into an All American guy. Magnum TA would have been far too southern for Vince's tastes. Eventually I could see him giving Luger and Sting a shot in the late 80's.




The NWA would have gone with someone else as their top guy in the 80's but it probably wouldn't have worked as well. Harley Race might have stayed top heel a little longer. Instead of working with Flair he may have put someone like Steamboat or Dusty over as a new top babyface star. They needed a workhorse in the spot so I'd go with Steamboat. He was young with a great look and very talented in the ring.

No Flair means that many wrestlers that would come later lose one of their biggest influences. HBK and HHH being the biggest examples. No Flair possibly means no Horsemen and we never have one of the most influential factions of all time.




Austins rise was unavoidable. I think Vince was going with HBK as his guy before that if Bret had left or not. There just wasn't enough room in the WWF for Bret and Shawn. Bret was about 40 years old in 1997 and if he had stayed I could see him winding down his in ring career as the 90's came to a close. Bret may have eventually become an agent.

Owen may have lived and never gone down the path that ended with him as the Blue Blazer again. Bret MAY have been the one to put Austin over at WM 14 but I think it would have been Shawn.

Now if Bret stayed who knows how that would have affected the series of events that led to Shawn's injury at the Royal Rumble. It may not have ever happened and Shawn could have stuck around for the Attitude Era. of course his drug problems may have gotten worse. Hard to say.

I could see Austin vs HBK and DX going on as a heated rivalry throughout 1998.

No Screwjob means the Mr McMahon character wouldn't have had as strong a launch. Vince probably would have done it anyway but he may not have began as hated as he was.




He would have continued on in the midcard doing solid work, maybe have gotten a WWF title run as a transitional champion, then wound down his career and retire within 5 years or so.




People would have eventually tired of him it just may not have happened quite as soon. Now if Hogan had been willing to step away from the main event and become a part timer/special attraction it may have extended his career lifespan considerably.




WCW wouldn't have beaten WWF as quickly. It may have still happened but not in such a memorable fashion. The NWO angle really changed the way their entire product was presented. We went from the more cartoonish corporate WCW that had the likes of the Dungeon of Doom to a more realistic in your face style program.




It would have eventually worn thin. Not sure how long that would have taken but Sting knew he had to evolve and by the Jerry Springer/Lewinsky Scandal/ Simpson trial oversaturated late 90's the Surfer Sting would have seemed a little corny.




Savage would have stayed on as an announcer and a occasional wrestler. He would have gone into the HOF by now thats for damn sure.




They would have limped along until Time Warner cleaned house at the top and finally found someone to fix things. WCW may have never reached the heights that it had before but it would have survived as a solid number 2 company. Or Time Warner still would have sold it they just would have been willing to keep airing WCW programming on their stations through some kind of deal with WCW's new owners.




Id be happier. I still miss the "Federation." We wouldn't be bothered by so many damn BLURS and dubbed over sound on dvd releases.




He would have stayed a top guy just not being pushed as hard as he was in his first year. He may have wrestled Triple H one on one at some point. Maybe on the way out. Or he could have gone into WM21 as a champion and put over Cena instead of JBL doing the honors.




He would have continue having a solid career...maybe a few more world title runs. he would have helped Batista sort out a lot of his sh** and grow as a performer. He would have had at least one epic match with Shawn Michaels. Then Eddie would be winding his career down by now. He might even be retired. Benoit may not have snapped as hard as he did but thats a big question mark. Who knows




He would have wound his career down as a strong upper midcard guy teaching the new talent. he would have had a great match with CM Punk at Vengeance (or whatever PPV it was). Benoit would have been a strong veteran presence on the new ECW for a while. By now he'd be retired and an agent. His neck was a ticking timebomb by that point and he'd had a lot of wear and tear.

If wCw was still around today they be like Jim Crockett Promotions from the 80s. A #2 wrestling company like you said and popular but not a billion dollar empire.

[Incrediblejeff]

If WCW was still around it would be TNA status.

[Metallo]

If WCW was still around it would be TNA status.

Probably money and ranking wise but not necessarily perception wise. That depends entirely on who would be running it. If it was Time Warner owning WCW they'd still have access to a lot of resources. If it was owned a smaller parent company not so much.

It would probably be the number 2 company but WCW would still have something going for it that TNA doesn't: a larger portion of the public had a familiarity with WCW when it was a major promotion and before that a familiarity with the NWA. That might be helping them do better than TNA is right now.

[The Apocalypse]

If WCW was still around it would be TNA status.

If WCW was still around it would mean that someone, some how, magically brought it out of a coma. It would have to be competing with WWE on some more of a level than TNA is. Who knows what might have happened. Maybe people like CM Punk and Samoa Joe, who at the time were ROHs' big guns would have signed with WCW instead.

[AntMan]

Foley tweet: I'm going to start working on a pretty thorough piece addressing this whole Dean Ambrose thing. It might rub many the wrong way. We'll see.

[Incrediblejeff]

Probably money and ranking wise but not necessarily perception wise. That depends entirely on who would be running it. If it was Time Warner owning WCW they'd still have access to a lot of resources. If it was owned a smaller parent company not so much.

It would probably be the number 2 company but WCW would still have something going for it that TNA doesn't: a larger portion of the public had a familiarity with WCW when it was a major promotion and before that a familiarity with the NWA. That might be helping them do better than TNA is be right now.

Very true.

Whenever I look at these What if scenario's.I think hmmm...A what If scenario could be like a butterfly effect on things.like If WCW was around

-Would we still get an Avengers film?

-Would we be seeing Ready to Rumble II

-Would Star Jones still be on The View?

-Would we be using the Metric system in the US?

What would be the effect at large of WCW never going under?Maybe I'm over thinking it.

[Daniel Thompson]

Probably money and ranking wise but not necessarily perception wise. That depends entirely on who would be running it. If it was Time Warner owning WCW they'd still have access to a lot of resources. If it was owned a smaller parent company not so much.

It would probably be the number 2 company but WCW would still have something going for it that TNA doesn't: a larger portion of the public had a familiarity with WCW when it was a major promotion and before that a familiarity with the NWA. That might be helping them do better than TNA is right now.

Yeah if wCw was still around even with a small parent company owning them, they would still get better PPV buyrates, have higher ratings and make more money cause of people knowing about wCw since the 80s and before that with them originally being JCP like you said.

No way wCw would be like TNA is now if it was still around. And I think if wCw was still around, WWE would try and put on a better product now cause they fear wCw would strike again like they did in 1996.

[Daniel Thompson]

Very true.

Whenever I look at these What if scenario's.I think hmmm...A what If scenario could be like a butterfly effect on things.like If WCW was around

-Would we still get an Avengers film?

-Would we be seeing Ready to Rumble II

-Would Star Jones still be on The View?

-Would we be using the Metric system in the US?

What would be the effect at large of WCW never going under?Maybe I'm over thinking it.

WWE would proably not be putting on a lackluster product right now cause in fear that wCw would become a threat again.

[Dr. Evil]

Bischoff is an idiot. Ratings aren't as important as some people believe. Look at UFC buyrates compared to TNA and WWE. Ratings don't really matter now as much as during the monday night wars.

Also it's much cooler to be in UFC than WWE and TNA.

[Project862006]

^very true and also every headlined ppv with lesnar in ufc all crosses over 1 million buys

that aint happening for WWE

[Superark]

With TNA Lockdown coming up this Sunday, TNA has posted a bunch of "Classic Lockdown" matches on their website. There's more, but here's some of my favorites from what they posted....


Mr. Anderson vs. Kurt Angle
OxfDI3-FhVs

AJ Styles vs. Abyss
PaTOX_q__Hk

[LuisTX85]

Great answers Metallo,Another"What IF question"is..IF you could time-travel then would you interfere with wrestling history?IF so then what would YOU change?

[The Sage]

Anyone remember the awesome promo for Guerrero/Angle's match at Wrestlemania XX? :D

Y9LOnMEmeMI

[bullets]

It sucks since Hardy and Punk had great chemistry despite developing problems with each other. They could have been the next Bret vs Shawn-like rivalry (in more ways than one).

The midcard push was going strong but at some point WWE lost focus on that.
.

Absolutely. That was one of the best feuds in recent years and could of went in several directions.
Also it's weird that WWE seemed to be getting on the right track and then suddenly went back to square one.

Great answers Metallo,Another"What IF question"is..IF you could time-travel then would you interfere with wrestling history?IF so then what would YOU change?

I would of stopped Owen from repeling in Kemper Arena. I would say stop Benoit but that might be too difficult and you might just be preventing the inevitable.

[DeLaHaystack]

It's the first time in history Hulk has sold anything.


LoL

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

Great answers Metallo,Another"What IF question"is..IF you could time-travel then would you interfere with wrestling history?IF so then what would YOU change?

Give Christain a world title run back in 2005 when he was so over.

Still pissed about that to this day, nothing else since I've been watching wrestling has bothered me as much as this did.

[AntMan]

Regal responds to Foley's tweet: Mick my old friend be careful it's you he doesn't rub the wrong way.Be careful,very careful. @realMickFoley

[bullets]

-What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

I think he would of taken the corporate champion route before the Rock like metallo was saying. It's really hard to determine but it would of been great if he had stayed and helped evelop new stars.
He could of had great fueds with Jericho , Eddie, Angle, Edge and Benoit

-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would of fueded with the 'new radicals' and been around the upper midcard before retiring. I don't think he was lined up for a championship reign but would of had a decent career.

-What IF the steroids trail didn't happen and Hogan stayed in WWF?

He might of passed the torch to Bret. Also could of fueded with the kliq .Bret and Hogan vs Shawn and Diesel. Hogan could of worked on his movie career while making appearances at mania every year.
Also he might of tried to stay hogging the spotlight.

-What IF nWo did not happen?

WCW might not of won in the ratings and vince wouldn't of pushed the envelope so much

-What IF Sting remained Surfer Sting instead of going Crow?

He would have to reinvent himself one way or another.

-What IF the Savage/Vince Jr personal feud never happened?

Savage would be in the HOF already. He might of come back for a dream match.

-What IF WCW did not get shut-down?

It would eventually become a barren wastleland.

-What IF WWF remained as WWF even to today?

No blurry dvds

-What IF Brock remained in the company for at least another year before going for football&UFC?

He wouldn't of gotten booed at WM20 and we might of gotten a better match. Also he could of taken JBL's spot or feuded with Triple H before Batista broke out of Evolution

-What IF Eddie did not die?

Another title reign and subsequent great matches until retiring gracefully. Also no Vickie character as a heel

-What IF Benoit did not murder his family and remained wrestling?

He could of helped ECW become a legitiment brand and brought legitimacy to the ECW title ( the wwe version of ecw)

[Kaleb]

What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

He would have stayed but would have grown increasingly frustated with the direction the company was going with their ''adult'' content, so he would have eventually left,but not before he put over Kurt Angle.

-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would have ended up in fueds to put over future talent (would have loved to have seen a match between Angle vs Owen)before eventually retiring and becoming an agent or even a commentator ( his commentry at King of the Ring 97 was great).

-What IF the steroids trail didn't happen and Hogan stayed in WWF?

I think the steriod scandal was the best thing that happened to the business in the long run, if it never happened Hogan would have continiously been in the main event ,fans would grow sick of it, guys like Shawn Michaels and Brett would have become increasingly frustrated at Hogan and his pals constantly hogging the spotlight and they would have probably left to go to wcw where they probably wouldnt have been put over and would be both put in the cruiserwieight division.

-What IF nWo did not happen?

both companies might have closed down.

-What IF Sting remained Surfer Sting instead of going Crow?

People would have got bored of him and would start booing him (ala John Cena)

-What IF the Savage/Vince Jr personal feud never happened?

Vince and Savage were really close, so he might have made him bigger than Hogan.

-What IF WCW did not get shut-down?
It would have been shut down eventually, and guys like AJ Styles would have remained jobbers in wcw

-What IF WWF remained as WWF even to today?

sad panda's

-What IF Brock remained in the company for at least another year before going for football&UFC?

I would think that he would have been used to put Benoit over.

-What IF Eddie did not die?

no Rey Mysterio defeating the odds to become champ

-What IF Benoit did not murder his family and remained wrestling?
He would have become a road agent/trainer just like Dean Malenko and Fit Finley.

[Hunter Rider]

The Attitude Era would have still happened, but with Hart vs. Austin in the Wrestlemania main event. DX would still have continued, but would have been a mid-card act, as Shawn would have likelier retired a lot sooner after the Montreal Survivor Series.

Well Shawn didn't actually get his back injury until the match with Taker at the Rumble, so depending on how the Survivor Series match panned out had Bret not been leaving, that casket match may never have taken place.

It's ridiculous the damage they put themselves through for a pathetically short career for such a small, albeit rabid, fanbase. Hell, I've almost walked out on matches that were nowhere near as graphic as these as I thought they went too far. Don't even get me started on New Jack.

Side note, a comic I did of New Jack.

http://nexusdx.deviantart.com/art/I-HEARD-MY-NAME-*****-244874653


I used to skip New Jack's matches on the ECW videos, he's another one that should be dead by now, a guy though that did more damage to others
than himself.

The link is broken. :(

You can't get better than this if you ask me. Even better than their IWA Deathmatch finale.Just far enough, not too far, the violence of their matches had an actual function and purpose.

Zandig, Ian Rotten, ****tards that promoted and encouraged this and taking some potentially good wrestlers and reducing them to walking scar tissue.Two guys with no talent that fed off their own sadistic tendencies and dragged others down with them, I mean some of the guys they promote are just like themselves, but they have taken some guys like Nick Mondo and JC Bailey who could have been good regular wrestlers and reduced them to a scarred mess, or in Bailey's case a coffin.

Btw do you know where I can download the Mondo documentary? I am interested in hearing his post-career thoughts.

By indie circuit you mean training and occasionally reffing local, small time gigs, then yes, yes I do. He's training under Prince Nana, so he spends a LOT of time with him and Mia, especially after ROH shows. He's become their gopher, and has become pretty close to Mia (I believe her name is Stephanie). He could be closer if he tried, dammit.Yeah that's right, you mentioned he was getting some ref work. If she isn't dating some loon from CZW then he should definitely make a movie, she's fine!

After a three year hiatus, WWE No Way Out is back and recharged! The annual pay-per-view that became notorious for its brutal, main event Steel Cage Matches gets reincarnated, but this time the Superstars of WWE will take the thematic event a step further, as they find new and innovative ways to prevent opponents from escaping. All stipulations in place, which may include Lumberjack, Strap, Chain, Steel Cage, Handcuff Matches or more will ensure no respite from the chaos inside the ring.

Two gimmick matches in one is so stupid, it's a waste and WWE are PG now so these gimmicks are pretty worthless, I'll await judgment but from a concept standpoint it's daft.


On social media this week, Eric Bischoff blasted the UFC show that left Spike TV for FX, crowing about how Impact does a better number (which is true but kind of tacky to brag about). I really have to wonder if karma slapped down the Impact rating to under a 1.00 this week because it didn't like Bischoff shooting off his mouth. Usually, weddings draw big numbers and this week's show LOST viewers, so if it wasn't karma that slapped the Impact number down it very well may have been due to Uncle Eric pushing his son at the expense of real wrestlers. A wedding is supposed to ADD viewers not cost Impact 82,000 of them.

This just goes to show that being over in the Impact Zone means nothing.

[LOBO3315a]

It's the first time in history Hulk has sold anything.

No, he sells Rent-a-Center all the time, with Troy Aikman, BROTHER!

[Metallo]

Great answers Metallo,Another"What IF question"is..IF you could time-travel then would you interfere with wrestling history?IF so then what would YOU change?

Without question I'd try to warn Owen Hart not to try his Blue Blazer stunt at the Kemper Arena in May of 1999. Its one death that was absolutely avoidable.


-What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

I think he would of taken the corporate champion route before the Rock like metallo was saying. It's really hard to determine but it would of been great if he had stayed and helped evelop new stars.
He could of had great fueds with Jericho , Eddie, Angle, Edge and Benoit

It was actually Pink Ranger that suggested Bret may have become corporate champion. I can't take credit for that one but its a great thought. One of the few ways I can see Brets character remaining close to what it was in the Attitude Era.

Bret getting to work with Jericho Angle and Guerrero would have been dreams come true.


What IF the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen and Bret stayed in the WWF?

He would have stayed but would have grown increasingly frustated with the direction the company was going with their ''adult'' content, so he would have eventually left,but not before he put over Kurt Angle.

I agree with this. WWF was getting pretty raunchy in 1997 but by 1999 it was far worse than Bret would have liked. There are only a few ways I could see him fitting into the Attitude Era as a full time on air character: as the "corporate champion" like Pink Ranger said or in an authority role like Commissioner.


-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would have ended up in fueds to put over future talent (would have loved to have seen a match between Angle vs Owen)before eventually retiring and becoming an agent or even a commentator ( his commentry at King of the Ring 97 was great).

Angle vs Owen would have been amazing.


-What IF nWo did not happen?

both companies might have closed down.

Its an interesting situation since the NWO was a catalyst for BOTH companies to get more serious.


-What IF Eddie did not die?

no Rey Mysterio defeating the odds to become champ

Another good point. Rey may have still become champion but it may have only been once and he may have been treated even worse in his spot. Even though Eddie did die Rey still got booked terribly as champion.



With TNA Lockdown coming up this Sunday, TNA has posted a bunch of "Classic Lockdown" matches on their website. There's more, but here's some of my favorites from what they posted....


Mr. Anderson vs. Kurt Angle
OxfDI3-FhVs

AJ Styles vs. Abyss
PaTOX_q__Hk

Got to watch these later. That AJ Abyss match proved how far AJ has come as a worker and who knew Angle and Anderson had that kind of great match in them as a duo?

[Superark]

I'm reading these "what if" situations you guys are posting and one of the questions was what if WCW never closed.

Here's a few interesting tidbits I gathered from PWInsider.com during one of their Q&A in regards to Bischoff buying out WCW before Fusient backed out.

-Bischoff had planned to run smaller venues to cut costs
-WCW was going to often run some of their shows at a studio out on the west coast as another way to save on cost.
-Don Callis and Joey Styles were going to be brought in a the new announcers.
-Much of the ECW talent like RVD were in negotiations to join the company.

This is all I remember off the top of my head, but Mike Johnson went into further detail about many of the plans Bischoff had he was going to buyout WCW.

[Superark]

It's hard for me to catch as much because I work nights. I'll probably give it another go thanks to youtube. The Roode and Storm feud has a great build-up for lockdown.

I don't know if TNA is better but they do a better job in some aspects. Right now the midcard in wwe is a mess , the tag division almost non existent and the woman's division isn't what it should be. Hopefully that all changes soon.

Spike TV has several full episodes on their Impact site. That's a great way to catch up.




This just goes to show that being over in the Impact Zone means nothing.

One of the major disadvantages to running in the Impact Zone all the time is you get no true guage of how a talent or angle is getting over. If TNA can ever make it work for them financially, they need to start taking Impact on the road on a semi-regular basis.

I don't think Garrett is even over in the Impact Zone. I'm fairly certain they pipe in most of the cheers and boos. It's obvious throughtout Impact how much they pipe in noise these days.

[Kaleb]

Without question I'd try to warn Owen Hart not to try his Blue Blazer stunt at the Kemper Arena in May of 1999. Its one death that was absolutely avoidable.




It was actually Pink Ranger that suggested Bret may have become corporate champion. I can't take credit for that one but its a great thought. One of the few ways I can see Brets character remaining close to what it was in the Attitude Era.

Bret getting to work with Jericho Angle and Guerrero would have been dreams come true.




I agree with this. WWF was getting pretty raunchy in 1997 but by 1999 it was far worse than Bret would have liked. There are only a few ways I could see him fitting into the Attitude Era as a full time on air character: as the "corporate champion" like Pink Ranger said or in an authority role like Commissioner.







.




Another good point. Rey may have still become champion but it may have only been once and he may have been treated even worse in his spot. Even though Eddie did die Rey still got booked terribly as champion.

I feel that someone would have died that night regardless,Russo would have just made someone else the Blue Blazer and would have done that god awful stunt instead of Owen (whoever would have been under the mask instead of Owen is another issue)

If you think about it,Benoit might not have died,since Eddie's death essentually drove him over the edge,and the wwe wouldn't have had a "dark cloud" hanging over its head for so long.

[AntMan]

I'm reading these "what if" situations you guys are posting and one of the questions was what if WCW never closed.

Here's a few interesting tidbits I gathered from PWInsider.com during one of their Q&A in regards to Bischoff buying out WCW before Fusient backed out.

-Bischoff had planned to run smaller venues to cut costs
-WCW was going to often run some of their shows at a studio out on the west coast as another way to save on cost.
-Don Callis and Joey Styles were going to be brought in a the new announcers.
-Much of the ECW talent like RVD were in negotiations to join the company.

This is all I remember off the top of my head, but Mike Johnson went into further detail about many of the plans Bischoff had he was going to buyout WCW.

Man, I wish this had happened. The WCW brand had a far better chance of competing with WWE than TNA does.

[Hunter Rider]

One of the major disadvantages to running in the Impact Zone all the time is you get no true guage of how a talent or angle is getting over. If TNA can ever make it work for them financially, they need to start taking Impact on the road on a semi-regular basis.

I don't think Garrett is even over in the Impact Zone. I'm fairly certain they pipe in most of the cheers and boos. It's obvious throughtout Impact how much they pipe in noise these days.

I wonder in TNA can get to a spot where every third Impact was on the road, of course you know Hogan and Sting are unlikely to want to work those shows, and just do the the one Impact taping that covers two weeks. In truth I think that taping hurts TNA as fans read spoilers a lot these days.

The sad thing is that Garrett may develop into a decent performer but he's so green it's ridiculous the push he's getting and he'll carry that stigma with him. I mean he's the equivelant of WWE putting the Tough Enough winner straight into a top angle in the upper card.

[Superark]

Man, I wish this had happened. The WCW brand had a far better chance of competing with WWE than TNA does.

Ok just listened to the audio from PWInsider.com about what Bischoff was going to do with WCW.

-Bischoff was going to completely overhaul the company and the look with new logos, etc.
-WCW was going to hold all of their Nitro's out of an arena in Las Vegas and try to make it almost like a Vegas attraction to save on costs
-Most of their shows were going to be done out of the south west.
-Bischoff was going to hire a booker named John Mewes(sp?) who was a well known booker in the hardcore wrestling community. He booked many of the independents in Michigan. Bischoff found out about him and was going to bring him in to have complete autonomous control over the crusierweight division. Mewes was going to rebook the cruisers and whatever new talent they brought in for the division.

[Superark]

I wonder in TNA can get to a spot where every third Impact was on the road, of course you know Hogan and Sting are unlikely to want to work those shows, and just do the the one Impact taping that covers two weeks. In truth I think that taping hurts TNA as fans read spoilers a lot these days.

The sad thing is that Garrett may develop into a decent performer but he's so green it's ridiculous the push he's getting and he'll carry that stigma with him. I mean he's the equivelant of WWE putting the Tough Enough winner straight into a top angle in the upper card.

If TNA starts taking their shows on the road I think they will do what they usually do and that is tape a couple or 3 weeks worth of tapings.

I think Hogan and Sting will work the shows in this case. Nothing would change from their schedule outside of the location.

Spoilers are a catch 22. For one thing, spoilers really only matter in the hardcore community. If the fans read something they like or hear is good, they might tune in. If they read something bad, they won't. But their is no element of surprise. I don't think spoilers matter when it comes to ratings.

At this point, Garrett will never, ever get over. He will always have the Bischoff stink on him for how TNA has handled him. It's like Metallo said, if Garrett tried to come up through the independents or ROH and used a completely different name, he might be able to make something of himself. Now, no matter how well he could develop, his career is shot due to his dad and the way he's been pushed.

[Superark]

Here's a commentary Lance Storm wrote over 10 years ago. It's about my favorite wrestler, and the man who made me a fan of the sport 20 years ago, Sting.

It was a good read so I thought I'd share this little archive.

Credit www.Stormwrestling.com (http://www.Stormwrestling.com)

Lance Storm on Sting

With the pending end to the WCW Invasion of the WWF this coming Sunday at Survivor Series I can’t help but think something very important has been over looked, the retirement of Sting. Sting’s March 27th match with Ric Flair on Nitro was the last of his career. I think the reason this has been over looked is that many fans feel, or at least hope, that this is not the case. Hopes that he is in negotiations with the WWF or that he is waiting for his Turner contract to expire before joining the WWF keeps us in denial. While, I suppose, anything is possible I’m pretty sure Stings wrestling career has come to an end.

No one was a bigger fan of Sting than I was when I was a fan and after meeting him, working with him, and getting to know him, I’ve become even a bigger fan of the man behind the paint. I think a lot of fans have the wrong idea when it comes to Sting and his last few years in this business and how it pertains to his retirement, so I thought I would take this week to give you my views on Sting the wrestler and Sting the man.

I’ve heard it talked about and debated many times, “Sting has lost his heart and his love for the business.” This was such a strong rumour/topic of debate that it was actually worked into an angle, in WCW, when he was feuding with Jeff Jarrett. I know for a fact Sting was uncomfortable with this angle and after getting the chance to talk with him a few times, in private, I think I understand why. Sting never lost his heart. WCW sucked it out of him! Sting loved this business and tried real hard to keep it exciting for both him and the fans.

Sting has always been in a hot program and great angles. He did great things with Ric Flair, the Road Warriors, Rick Rude, Vader, all when they were in their prime and on top. He did the groundbreaking stuff with the Crow gimmick and the NWO. After years of being on top with great opponents, great angles and exciting matches he was then subjected to the trials and tribulations, which hampered WCW in it’s closing years; constant change of leadership and direction, lack of focus and lack of creativity. I don’t think it was Sting who brought down the product. I think the product brought down Sting.

I can’t count the times that I saw Sting at ring side trying to come up with a big move or a new twist on a big move he wanted to do to try and make an impact that night. I remember talking him out of a few because I thought they were too risky. Some times he would listen to me sometimes he wouldn’t. There was one night in Australia when he asked Nash and I if we thought he could take O’Hair and Jyndrak's double beel from the floor up into the ring. We told him he was nuts, that he was too big and asked why he would even risk trying. He answered without batting an eye, “I’m just trying to find a way to help get these kids over.”

That’s not a guy whose lost his heart, that’s a guy who loves this business and is trying to give back. Kev and I thought we had him talked into just bumping for Sean’s ridge hand, but against our better judgment he went out and took the beel anyway. He almost didn’t make it and he damn near killed himself. I can still see Kev’s face coming out of the locker room eyes wide as sauces, looking for me, as we both screamed, “What happened to the ridge hand!”

There was one other conversation I had with Sting, which I think says a lot about what kind of guy he is. It was when we were in London doing Nitro. We were both working out in the hotel gym and it was just the two of us. I don’t know if he did this with others but he sure opened up with me when it was just one on one. I hope I’m not betraying a trust by sharing part of this conversation but I think fans that lost faith in Sting deserve to hear this. We were talking about his career and his pending elbow surgery. He said that he wasn’t sure if the surgery would even help and that there was a good chance his wrestling days were numbered. He told me he had about 1 year left on his contract and how he wished there was something new and exciting he could do to go out with a bang, but that he didn’t believe the people in change had the creativeness to come up with something. We talked about how every time things would get going in WCW the people in charge would change and then so would the angles and direction of the company. It was at this point that I realized that Sting still had his heart and love for this business, but that with every change of power within WCW he found it harder and harder to show it.

Sting gave us more than 10 years of excitement. He was never a Ric Flair/Arn Anderson caliber worker, but he always busted his ass and worked hard. He also never missed a chance to credit Ric Flair for making him the star he was. Sting was and is a class act and anyone who accused him of losing his heart and only being in this business for the money, owe him an apology. I’m glad I had the chance to work with him, the one time that I did, and hope he had as much fun as I did doing it.

Best of luck in the future Steve, and on behalf of everyone you’ve entertained over the years, I thank you!

Till next week,
Lance

credit: stormwrestling.com

[Dr. Evil]

Garrett Bischoff is a perfect example of nepotism in pro wrestling.

[The Sage]

I feel that someone would have died that night regardless,Russo would have just made someone else the Blue Blazer and would have done that god awful stunt instead of Owen (whoever would have been under the mask instead of Owen is another issue)

If you think about it,Benoit might not have died,since Eddie's death essentually drove him over the edge,and the wwe wouldn't have had a "dark cloud" hanging over its head for so long.

Since you brought that up, I have a question...do you think WWE would've implemented the "no chairshots to the head" rule if Benoit hadn't died? Because I don't recall that rule going into effect until the tragedy happened.

[bullets]

-What IF Owen Hart did not get the Blue Blazer gimmick and thus not did that stunt that ended his life?

He would have ended up in feuds to put over future talent (would have loved to have seen a match between Angle vs Owen)before eventually retiring and becoming an agent or even a commentator ( his commentary at King of the Ring 97 was great).


I loved Owen's commentary , he was hilarious.



Spike TV has several full episodes on their Impact site. That's a great way to catch up.


Thanks. I watched before the bell yesterday.


Without question I'd try to warn Owen Hart not to try his Blue Blazer stunt at the Kemper Arena in May of 1999. Its one death that was absolutely avoidable.


They might of tired it again with someone else but at least it would of prevented Owen's death. It was such a stupid idea. I would also bring up the guy doing the rigging didn't have the proper experience and also the clip wasn't strong enough. At least that would be easier to convince someone. I think it would of been harder to stop Benoit. He was in the early stages of dementia( I'm speculating) and could of snapped at another time as it got worse.


It was actually Pink Ranger that suggested Bret may have become corporate champion. I can't take credit for that one but its a great thought. One of the few ways I can see Bret's character remaining close to what it was in the Attitude Era.

Bret getting to work with Jericho Angle and Guerrero would have been dreams come true.


Whoops ,lol. I like his idea too. Bret would of been a perfect fit for the corporation. I still think Rock would of rose to stardom but his rivalry with Stone Cold would of been much different. Also it would of been great to see Benoit, Owen , Jericho , Bret , Angle , and Guerrero on the same roster. Ultimately I wish Owen survived (among many others) and Bret was able to return after his stint in WCW.

[bullets]

Since you brought that up, I have a question...do you think WWE would've implemented the "no chairshots to the head" rule if Benoit hadn't died? Because I don't recall that rule going into effect until the tragedy happened.


I think Benoit's death forced them to take things more seriously. Nowinski was campaigning for changes at the time but once they related Benoit to brain trauma it wasn't too shortly after. The silver lining in the Benoit tragedy iswwe wrestlers seem to be living a healthier lifestyle.

[Kaleb]

Since you brought that up, I have a question...do you think WWE would've implemented the "no chairshots to the head" rule if Benoit hadn't died? Because I don't recall that rule going into effect until the tragedy happened.

yeah I dont think they would have implemented the ''no chairshots'' rule if Benoit hadnt died.

[Dr. Evil]

I think Benoit's death forced them to take things more seriously. Nowinski was campaigning for changes at the time but once they related Benoit to brain trauma it wasn't too shortly after. The silver lining in the Benoit tragedy iswwe wrestlers seem to be living a healthier lifestyle.

Also the drug scandal that came after Benoit's death resulted in the WWE now revealing all drug suspensions.

[bullets]

Also the drug scandal that came after Benoit's death resulted in the WWE now revealing all drug suspensions.

Yeah that's true.



Here's something kind of random but I found it earlier . It's a segment between Bret , Kane and Undertaker that took place in 2010.. almost ruined by the Raw anonymous general manager.

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Kane was really at the top of his game during that feud , imo. It amazes me how well that character worked and Glen Jacobs longevity in WWE. It could of been a disaster . Also he's very knowledgeable about politics.

Here's an appearance on the reality report where Glen discusses a number of issues.
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[AntMan]

Watched Roberts vs Rude from MSG 10/25/88. I enjoyed the match quite a bit. I like the little things like Roberts biting Rude's hand to stop the Rude Awakening, and the way Rude sold Roberts' knee lift. The angle with Jake's wife certainly added to the match as well. I also dug the stipulation because every time a man went for a finisher there was a moment of anticipation.

[Metallo]

Here's something kind of random but I found it earlier . It's a segment between Bret , Kane and Undertaker that took place in 2010.. almost ruined by the Raw anonymous general manager.

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True but I did enjoy the tease of Bret Hart vs The Undertaker and them making their entrance and squaring off even though we all knew the match wasn't going to happen.
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Barrett pulled what I shall henceforth call "The Rob Conway." Other notable instances of "The Rob Conway" were done by Carlito at WM21 and Michael Cole on the most recent Smackdown. :funny:

[LuisTX85]

Possible bit of WWE'13 news,Somebody posted this on another site..
"While at the book store tonight with my girlfriend I was reading some magazines and I was looking in an MMA magazine called "Fight Night" (March-April issue). There was a small story about MMA in entertainment. The magazine mentions how Ken Shamrock and Steve Blackman will be "playable characters in THQ's WWE 13 video game out in November.

The article did mention how Blackman portrayed an MMA fighter as part of his wrestling persona while Shamrock was a UFC fighter before entering pro wrestling."

Awesome news to me IF true,Always liked both and although I probably wouldn't play as them much weeks after release(better roster people out there)..I'd sure use their moves&theme songs for caws!!

Oh and no Yokozuna again.."THQ representatives wrote on Twitter that there are currently no plans to include 2012 Yokozuna in the WWE '13 video game. WWE '13 will reportedly have a nostalgia element to it but it won't focus on Yoko's era."

Sucks about him not being in But IF Rikishi makes it in then at least he'd be a nice substitute for Yoko!

There's a rumor that there will be two set of rosters&arenas such as Pride in UFC 3,WWE&Attitude Era!!

[the_ultimate_evil]

going through the smackdown belfast show shots, at the moment, great show a lot of yes chants, some great matches expect for the henry/tatsu squash. decent no dq orton/kane match kendo sticks and chairs a plenty

best moment of the night regal on the mic, he comes out admit that this is the speech to get us to boo him but then goes into a heart felt speech about how he's been in belfast many times over the last 20 years and honestly doesn't know if that night was his last time. big regal chant

the one down side i will say that the night was over by 10pm no one posed for the crowd no hanging around after the matches

ohh and it seems the cena crowd has latched onto cena, for every yes chant we got kids chanting no back

[Project862006]

anyone else think it is time wwe turned orton heel

he is'nt doing anything of note and has been stale for months

wwe needs a top heel who is'nt part time aka jericho/brock

[Superark]

anyone else think it is time wwe turned orton heel

he is'nt doing anything of note and has been stale for months

wwe needs a top heel who is'nt part time aka jericho/brock

Orton's one of those guys I absolutely cannot stand whether he's a face or heel, but the company certainly needs some fresh top heels

[The Sage]

Which is why I look forward to when Ziggler gets elevated.

[NDX]

I used to skip New Jack's matches on the ECW videos, he's another one that should be dead by now, a guy though that did more damage to others
than himself.

The link is broken. :(
Not broken, you just need to know the right word to replace the *****.

http://nexusdx.deviantart.com/art/I-HEARD-MY-NAME-B*TCH-244874653

Replace the * in B*TCH in I. And you get the proper link.

Two guys with no talent that fed off their own sadistic tendencies and dragged others down with them, I mean some of the guys they promote are just like themselves, but they have taken some guys like Nick Mondo and JC Bailey who could have been good regular wrestlers and reduced them to a scarred mess, or in Bailey's case a coffin.

Btw do you know where I can download the Mondo documentary? I am interested in hearing his post-career thoughts.

Just depressing to see some people devolve as they do.

A quick filestube search might help you out, HR.

Yeah that's right, you mentioned he was getting some ref work. If she isn't dating some loon from CZW then he should definitely make a movie, she's fine!

My friend and I are trying. We will get it done, for better or worse.

Two gimmick matches in one is so stupid, it's a waste and WWE are PG now so these gimmicks are pretty worthless, I'll await judgment but from a concept standpoint it's daft.

It reads like pointless overkill. They've overused several gimmick matches already, so they need to pile more crap into them to bring back some interest. That's what these gimmick PPVs do.

[Metallo]

Orton's one of those guys I absolutely cannot stand whether he's a face or heel, but the company certainly needs some fresh top heels

I want to like Orton more. I certainly don't loathe him and he's got all the tools to be great. He's smooth in the ring and he's obviously improved but man there is such a disconnect with him in terms of character. I think that affects his style and work in the ring. He's kind of dull...especially as a face. He's a natural heel.

[Kaleb]

Our Lady Peace Discuss Retiring The Late Chris Benoit's WWE Theme Song
Jon Chattman of The Huffington Post conducted an interview with Canadian alternative rock band Our Lady Peace where they discuss how they've had to retire Chris Benoit's WWE theme song "Whatever" altogether because of the incomprehensible tragedy that took place five years ago.

Over a three-day period ending on June 24, 2007, Benoit killed his wife Nancy and strangled his seven-year-old son Daniel before committing suicide via hanging. Chattman, a music blogger, asks band frontman Raine Maida and guitarist Steve Mazur if they still play "Whatever" following the event.

"I couldn't imagine singing that to be honest, it's so tied into him and the tragedy that happened, I just couldn't get it out of my head," says Mazur.

Maida adds they've removed the song from their catalog. Chattman thinks it a shame they no longer play it since it's such a "kickass" song.


loved his theme music, really wish they would have given it to another wrestler ,always thought it it could have worked well with Punks character.


3SVOUXSTQak

[Van Petrol]

^ I still can't believe what happened, regarding the Benoit family in 2007.

[Project862006]

I want to like Orton more. I certainly don't loathe him and he's got all the tools to be great. He's smooth in the ring and he's obviously improved but man there is such a disconnect with him in terms of character. I think that affects his style and work in the ring. He's kind of dull...especially as a face. He's a natural heel.
i think the tried to go more anti hero route kind of how austin did stuff that was'nt very baby face wise but it just did'nt work for him

[DBryan]

I think Orton's biggest problem is he just doesn't do anything character wise other than scowl and get angry.

[Dr. Evil]

^ I still can't believe what happened, regarding the Benoit family in 2007.

All hell broke loose for the WWE from a publicity standpoint after that happened. I might be in the minority, but I believe that resulted in the WWE going TV PG.

[Pink Ranger]

Our Lady Peace Discuss Retiring The Late Chris Benoit's WWE Theme Song
Jon Chattman of The Huffington Post conducted an interview with Canadian alternative rock band Our Lady Peace where they discuss how they've had to retire Chris Benoit's WWE theme song "Whatever" altogether because of the incomprehensible tragedy that took place five years ago.

Over a three-day period ending on June 24, 2007, Benoit killed his wife Nancy and strangled his seven-year-old son Daniel before committing suicide via hanging. Chattman, a music blogger, asks band frontman Raine Maida and guitarist Steve Mazur if they still play "Whatever" following the event.

"I couldn't imagine singing that to be honest, it's so tied into him and the tragedy that happened, I just couldn't get it out of my head," says Mazur.

Maida adds they've removed the song from their catalog. Chattman thinks it a shame they no longer play it since it's such a "kickass" song.


loved his theme music, really wish they would have given it to another wrestler ,always thought it it could have worked well with Punks character.


3SVOUXSTQak

I hope OLP eventually comes to terms with what happened and plays the song again. It's not their fault Benoit went psycho.

[LuisTX85]

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/B5STDCV
A survey for WWE'13!(moves&entrance call names)

[brainchild81]

Orton's one of those guys I absolutely cannot stand whether he's a face or heelWhich is why I look forward to when Ziggler gets elevated.Ditto

[Project862006]

i like ziggler but i personally dont think he has that main event screen presence yet that i get with punk/cena/ and orton

[Superark]

I want to like Orton more. I certainly don't loathe him and he's got all the tools to be great. He's smooth in the ring and he's obviously improved but man there is such a disconnect with him in terms of character. I think that affects his style and work in the ring. He's kind of dull...especially as a face. He's a natural heel.

I think Orton's biggest problem is he just doesn't do anything character wise other than scowl and get angry.

I think he's rather lackluster in the ring. You're right Metallo that's there's a disconnect. That disconnect is the "IT" factor. Orton doesn't have it IMO.

Like DBryan said, he mostly just scowls and makes ridiculous faces. His promos are slow and dull. He oversells and over-exaggerates all the time with his movements and facials. UGH! He's unbearable for me.

Which is why I look forward to when Ziggler gets elevated.

Well it's going to take a lot of work when you're freaking jobbing to Santino and Brotus :doh:

They need to get Dolph away from Vickie too. At this point she takes away from his character and is a distraction.

All hell broke loose for the WWE from a publicity standpoint after that happened. I might be in the minority, but I believe that resulted in the WWE going TV PG.

The major reason WWE went PG was due to the Mattel toy line deal

[The Sage]

i like ziggler but i personally dont think he has that main event screen presence yet that i get with punk/cena/ and orton

I'm pretty sure some of us felt the same about those three at some point. Heck, it took me sometime adjust when HHH became main-eventer before I could see it. Same with Edge. It took their work, some character evolutions, and a good push before they looked the part.

In his current persona, Ziggler isn't there. He needs more of an edge. Plus he needs to stop losing and get away from Jack Swagger.

[The Sage]

I think he's rather lackluster in the ring. You're right Metallo that's there's a disconnect. That disconnect is the "IT" factor. Orton doesn't have it IMO.

Like DBryan said, he mostly just scowls and makes ridiculous faces. His promos are slow and dull. He oversells and over-exaggerates all the time with his movements and facials. UGH! He's unbearable for me.


Orton has the "IT" factor. I've seen it since his Evolution days.

It's funny. I like him as a heel, character wise. But I like him as a face in-ring wrestler.

I prefer his cocky "Legend Killer" persona over the Viper.




Well it's going to take a lot of work when you're freaking jobbing to Santino and Brotus :doh:

They need to get Dolph away from Vickie too. At this point she takes away from his character and is a distraction.


The losing needs to stop.

Vickie's a great manager, but I do agree that I think she does take away from him. I'd like to see Dolph stand on his own.

Or maybe, Vickie could continue being his manager, but with Dolph doing most of the talking. Just reduce her promo time.

[PyroChamber]

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/B5STDCV
A survey for WWE'13!(moves&entrance call names)What they need to do is learn to fix their online server.

[Superark]

Orton has the "IT" factor. I've seen it since his Evolution days.

It's funny. I like him as a heel, character wise. But I like him as a face in-ring wrestler.

I prefer his cocky "Legend Killer" persona over the Viper.





The losing needs to stop.

Vickie's a great manager, but I do agree that I think she does take away from him. I'd like to see Dolph stand on his own.

Or maybe, Vickie could continue being his manager, but with Dolph doing most of the talking. Just reduce her promo time.

I'll have to agree to disagree with you on Orton haha.

I think Dolph would be fine if he had a manager akin to someone like Heenan, Race, Cornette, or Hart. Those guys knew how to get heat without taking away from their wrestlers. They added a dimension to the guys they were with. Unfortunately Vickie isn't that type.

[LOBO3315a]

I'll have to agree to disagree with you on Orton haha.

I think Dolph would be fine if he had a manager akin to someone like Heenan, Race, Cornette, or Hart. Those guys knew how to get heat without taking away from their wrestlers. They added a dimension to the guys they were with. Unfortunately Vickie isn't that type.

Excuse me? EXCUSE ME????

[LuisTX85]

What they need to do is learn to fix their online server.

Well the CC yeah although I personally don't care about it,But Online match making works fine as I play everyday with buddies for hrs and in fact I just got done playing online a bit ago and I played about 3 hrs worth and no lag at all!!(except a second or two when people would leave the matches)

[Dr. Evil]

I have long believed that Vickie's in the WWE because the WWE didn't want a lawsuit from her blaming them for his death.

[LOBO3315a]

I've always thought it was out of respect. Eddie did everything the business asked of him, and was a great character in and out of the ring. He had pulled himself out of some dark times, and was a big draw for the Hispanic community. Vince probably wanted to be seen as doing the right thing by Eddie's family by them as well. Vickie will always have a job in the WWE for that reason alone.

[DBryan]

Plus she's actually good at what she does.

[Dr. Evil]

I've always thought it was out of respect. Eddie did everything the business asked of him, and was a great character in and out of the ring. He had pulled himself out of some dark times, and was a big draw for the Hispanic community. Vince probably wanted to be seen as doing the right thing by Eddie's family by them as well. Vickie will always have a job in the WWE for that reason alone.

That too.

If her daughter, Raquel Diaz was to ever make it to the active roster, Vickie's time in the WWE (as an on-screen character anyways) will end. She will probably serve in the same role within the WWE as Edge and Shawn Michaels (as an Ambassador for the WWE) if Raquel establishes herself.

[Kaleb]

I want to like Orton more. I certainly don't loathe him and he's got all the tools to be great. He's smooth in the ring and he's obviously improved but man there is such a disconnect with him in terms of character. I think that affects his style and work in the ring. He's kind of dull...especially as a face. He's a natural heel.

I feel the same, I just think that over the years he has seen the business more as meal ticket for his family than something that he loves, Ive noticed his pasion for the business is no longer there.

[Van Petrol]

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/B5STDCV
A survey for WWE'13!(moves&entrance call names)

They must, MUST include a custom Stone Cold (Champion) entrance a la The Rock.

[LuisTX85]

That too.

If her daughter, Raquel Diaz was to ever make it to the active roster, Vickie's time in the WWE (as an on-screen character anyways) will end. She will probably serve in the same role within the WWE as Edge and Shawn Michaels (as an Ambassador for the WWE) if Raquel establishes herself.

Well Vickie could manage her for a while,She can come in as a face and so Vickie turns to be at her daughters side or come in as a a heel and Vickie introduces her,Later on when she starts being established then Vickie can move on from onscreen!!!

[LuisTX85]

They must, MUST include a custom Stone Cold (Champion) entrance a la The Rock.

Indeed!

[Daniel Thompson]

Ok just listened to the audio from PWInsider.com about what Bischoff was going to do with WCW.

-Bischoff was going to completely overhaul the company and the look with new logos, etc.
-WCW was going to hold all of their Nitro's out of an arena in Las Vegas and try to make it almost like a Vegas attraction to save on costs
-Most of their shows were going to be done out of the south west.
-Bischoff was going to hire a booker named John Mewes(sp?) who was a well known booker in the hardcore wrestling community. He booked many of the independents in Michigan. Bischoff found out about him and was going to bring him in to have complete autonomous control over the crusierweight division. Mewes was going to rebook the cruisers and whatever new talent they brought in for the division.

So WCW was going to become a west coast wrestling promotion and not be a southern one anymore, thats interesting. I think they would of been able to make more money having Nitro in LA everyweek then LV.

Also were was Thunder and Saturday Night going to be held at? So bascially wCw was going back to its NWA/JCP roots with the main shows being held in tv studios and ppvs in arenas.

[Daniel Thompson]

Ok just listened to the audio from PWInsider.com about what Bischoff was going to do with WCW.

-Bischoff was going to completely overhaul the company and the look with new logos, etc.
-WCW was going to hold all of their Nitro's out of an arena in Las Vegas and try to make it almost like a Vegas attraction to save on costs
-Most of their shows were going to be done out of the south west.
-Bischoff was going to hire a booker named John Mewes(sp?) who was a well known booker in the hardcore wrestling community. He booked many of the independents in Michigan. Bischoff found out about him and was going to bring him in to have complete autonomous control over the crusierweight division. Mewes was going to rebook the cruisers and whatever new talent they brought in for the division.

Can I get a link to watch and hear this?

[AntMan]

Dixie Carter spoke with us earlier today saying there would be a lot of changes in the next few weeks as far as the presentation of the shows after her meetings yesterday with Spike TV. She wasn't specific, only saying it would play out soon and would include format changes and new elements to the show. She said the company is making a very conscious decision to focus now on young talent. http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/118-daily-updates/25129-thurs-update-olympic-dream-shattered-ex-ufc-champ-talks-going-to-wwe-wwe-does-angle-last-night

[bullets]

anyone else think it is time wwe turned Orton heel


Orton is a better heel character. Not sure how they would balance it out but I can see him turning heel before the years end.

If I had to guess I'd say Miz , Swagger , and Mark Henry might get face turns. Miz and Swagger especially need to do something different.



All hell broke loose for the WWE from a publicity standpoint after that happened. I might be in the minority, but I believe that resulted in the WWE going TV PG.

I'm sure it went into the decision process. WWE had to make themselves kid friendly again. The Benoit incident is one of the worst possible things that company had to endure.

^ I still can't believe what happened, regarding the Benoit family in 2007.

I still remember the day I read about it. I hope nothing like that ever happens again.


True but I did enjoy the tease of Bret Hart vs The Undertaker and them making their entrance and squaring off even though we all knew the match wasn't going to happen.
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Barrett pulled what I shall henceforth call "The Rob Conway." Other notable instances of "The Rob Conway" were done by Carlito at WM21 and Michael Cole on the most recent Smackdown. :funny:

Oh how the mighty Nexus has fallen. That was a bit unintentionally comical with the lights going out and people being in different positions. They really could of had fun with that one.

It was interesting to see Bret and Undertaker in the same ring together after so many years.

Also interesting that Taker's feud with Kane will be his last one that isn't centered on Mania.

[TripleR]

Even with those changes, I doubt WCW would have survived or would have ever came close being real competition for WWE again. Bischoff's biggest problem has always been a reliance on past stars and refusal to push new stars.

As bad as Vince is with the "size matters" mindset or stalling young guys pushes, Bischoff is worse. He's a guy who to this day says he doesn't see Jericho as top of the card material and defends his decision to keep him down in WCW. He has no real eye for talent, and when he does admit younger or smaller guys are talented, chooses to keep them down the card as a side attraction while putting the focus on fading stars or rookies who are as green as they are muscled.

Furthermore, he's a one trick pony when it comes to booking. After the nWo angle, he either refused to or couldn't come up with anything else good, and kept going back to it until it got ran into the ground. Even in TNA, what'd he do? "The Band" got back together, then Hulk turns heel, Immortal, Sting fights them. It never ends, he can't come up with anything else.

[The Sage]

-- Eric Bischoff, who once considered Bret Hart a friend, now views "The Hitman" in a negative light. When asked for comment on the legendary wrestler on Twitter, he responded, "Another sad, bitter person. Too many of them in this business."

Bischoff made similar comments two years ago during an interview with Monday Night Mayhem shortly after Hart railed the TNA Wrestling executive producer and Hulk Hogan via Twitter: "I feel sad for Bret, because Bret is one of those people, and there are a lot of them, he's the type of person that needs someone to hate in order to feel significant himself."

-- Kazarian will sport an all-new look when he competes in tonight's Lethal Lockdown match at TNA Lockdown. The TNA veteran cut off his trademark long hair as he appeared at Saturday's Lockdown Fanfest with a shaved head.

A photo of Kazarian's new look can be seen here.

-- TNA X Division Champion Austin Aries turns 34 years old today. He will celebrate his birthday by competing in Lethal Lockdown tonight at TNA Lockdown.

Jim Ross posted his latest blog this afternoon. As always, the blog is a must-read, you can check out some highlights below.

Cena vs. Lesnar: "Getting tons of folks asking for predictions for the upcoming Lesnar vs. Cena bout at Extreme Rules in Chicago on PPV. The only thing that I know for sure is that the live audience in Chicago will be restaurant quality. Is Cena 'due' after losing to Rock at WM28 or will Lesnar lose his first WWE bout in years? It makes for some compelling, episodic TV, in my opinion, but one has to consider Lesnar's likely 'ring rust' when analyzing this main event and making educated guesses.

"Cena vs. Lesnar is what a main event should be, too close to easily call a winner."

If The Undertaker has retired: "I might be naive and I know that I'm out of the loop, which, BTW, isn't a gripe, but IF Undertaker was going to retire, don't you think that WWE would make a HUGE deal of it? Can you think of another wrestler's retirement that would be as impactful as the Undertaker's at this point in time? So....I am still of the mindset that Undertaker will return to the ring at the appropriate time."

The Rock's WWE Championship plans: "Rock says he wants to be WWE Champion again. Time will tell if he can pull that one off but if that were to occur it would likely be following some intriguing, episodic TV leading into the big match. I think that it's going to be a compelling year regarding the WWE Title."


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[the_ultimate_evil]

just for some for fun shots of the latest wwe house show here in belfast, not by best work but not bad for 25 rows from the ring lol

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[the_ultimate_evil]

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[Kaleb]

Those are some great pics.

[AntMan]

Kassius Ohno tweet: Killer end to this wk's FCW. When that @TheDeanAmbrose bit hits the Net, a lotttta people are gonna watch. Dyin to see him v. @RealKingRegal

[NDX]

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These are some great shots.

Kassius Ohno tweet:

So you know what you have to post for us in the next few days, AM.

[Dr. Evil]

Anyone think that the WWE is waiting until a return to the states to release people?

[AntMan]

So you know what you have to post for us in the next few days, AM.

Should be up tomorrow. It might be late like last time, but hopefully it gets online earlier in the day.

[NDX]

Anyone think that the WWE is waiting until a return to the states to release people?
Of course they are. They're not going to fire anyone while on the road, they're not the NY Mets.

[Dr. Evil]

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/gi-joe-2-dwayne-johnson.jpg
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/gi-joe-2-ray-park-dwayne-johnson-snake-eyes.jpg

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

Awesome pics ultimate evil.

[Dr. Evil]

Awesome pics ultimate evil.

Wrong evil.

[Daniel Thompson]

Even with those changes, I doubt WCW would have survived or would have ever came close being real competition for WWE again. Bischoff's biggest problem has always been a reliance on past stars and refusal to push new stars.

As bad as Vince is with the "size matters" mindset or stalling young guys pushes, Bischoff is worse. He's a guy who to this day says he doesn't see Jericho as top of the card material and defends his decision to keep him down in WCW. He has no real eye for talent, and when he does admit younger or smaller guys are talented, chooses to keep them down the card as a side attraction while putting the focus on fading stars or rookies who are as green as they are muscled.

Furthermore, he's a one trick pony when it comes to booking. After the nWo angle, he either refused to or couldn't come up with anything else good, and kept going back to it until it got ran into the ground. Even in TNA, what'd he do? "The Band" got back together, then Hulk turns heel, Immortal, Sting fights them. It never ends, he can't come up with anything else.

If rebranded right wCw could of atleast ended up like JCP in the 80s. Pose a little challenge to WWE but still being the #2 company. Knowing Bishoff he would of had a wCw vs. ecw hostile takeover storyline, with Heyman and ECW trying to take over the company and Sting trying to defeat them.

[AntMan]

Badass. hopefully Willis and The Rock allow me to ignore Channing Tatum.

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

Wrong evil.

Did not feel like typing the "the"

[bullets]

Anyone think that the WWE is waiting until a return to the states to release people?

More than likely. Who's on the chopping block?



Also the new G.I. Joe looks much better than the first. Hopefully Rock can save the franchise.

[NDX]

More than likely. Who's on the chopping block?

If it was my call, it would be 90% of the roster.

[Lobo]

More than likely. Who's on the chopping block?



Also the new G.I. Joe looks much better than the first. Hopefully Rock can save the franchise.

I'd say Alex Riley, he went from challenging for the US title and being more over then he had any right to be to not even being on tv or if he wwas getting squashed by Brodus. I know Riley had/has heat on him, does anyone know what for?

Also, I'd add Camacho, JTG, Ezekiel Jackson, and Evan Bourne

[TripleR]

If rebranded right wCw could of atleast ended up like JCP in the 80s. Pose a little challenge to WWE but still being the #2 company. Knowing Bishoff he would of had a wCw vs. ecw hostile takeover storyline, with Heyman and ECW trying to take over the company and Sting trying to defeat them.

If rebranded and under new management, definitely, but with Bischoff at the helm I still can't help but think it would have quickly turned into a sinking ship. Same old ideas and mentality, but with a smaller checkbook, can't see it lasting too long. Even that idea, while cool, sounds like yet another version of the nWo angle. Evil outsiders come in, Sting fights them off... same old thing that he ran into the ground in the original WCW. That's if it even could have happened. I doubt Heyman would have wanted anything to do with Bischoff at that time.

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

I'd say Alex Riley, he went from challenging for the US title and being more over then he had any right to be to not even being on tv or if he wwas getting squashed by Brodus. I know Riley had/has heat on him, does anyone know what for?

Also, I'd add Camacho, JTG, Ezekiel Jackson, and Evan Bourne

I'll add Trebt Barreta, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal, Johnny Curtis, Darren Young, Tyler Reks, plus some FCW guys.

[venom892]

I'm sure some FCW talent will be released. Darren Young and JTG are prime candidates.

[AntMan]

Evan Bourne. He might never wrestle again anyway.

[Daniel Thompson]

If rebranded and under new management, definitely, but with Bischoff at the helm I still can't help but think it would have quickly turned into a sinking ship. Same old ideas and mentality, but with a smaller checkbook, can't see it lasting too long. Even that idea, while cool, sounds like yet another version of the nWo angle. Evil outsiders come in, Sting fights them off... same old thing that he ran into the ground in the original WCW. That's if it even could have happened. I doubt Heyman would have wanted anything to do with Bischoff at that time.

I'm just saying if Bishoff somehow got Heyman and ECW wrestlers to join them thats what he proably would of done to restart wCw. But if Heyman was booking and had control he might would be able to make a storyline like that good. Sone of the old wrestlers said if they knew wCw was so cheap to buy they would of bought it. And I mean the old guys who had knowledge of the buisness and wanted to look out for the old guys. Could of had a legit buisnessman run the company financially, while they do the wrestling stuff.

[AntMan]

Foley tweets: This Dec 2010 promo with me & Flair seems to be where the entire Ambrose philosophy comes from I heard @thedeanambrose had an original thought once..and it died of loneliness. #poorveruca I can't post the video in the thread because of one word Flair says.

[Dr. Evil]

Did not feel like typing the "the"

Still wrong evil.

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

Still wrong evil.

Ok.

[Dr. Evil]

More than likely. Who's on the chopping block?



The Bellas have an expiring contract at the end of this month, so they will be gone if they are not re-signed.

[LuisTX85]

Sure will be interesting when it's revealed who gets cut!

[TripleR]

I'm just saying if Bishoff somehow got Heyman and ECW wrestlers to join them thats what he proably would of done to restart wCw. But if Heyman was booking and had control he might would be able to make a storyline like that good. Sone of the old wrestlers said if they knew wCw was so cheap to buy they would of bought it. And I mean the old guys who had knowledge of the buisness and wanted to look out for the old guys. Could of had a legit buisnessman run the company financially, while they do the wrestling stuff.

I'll agree with this, Heyman or someone else in charge could have turned it around in a good way, just as long as it wasn't Bischoff running it again because that guy never learned his lesson lol.

[Superark]

So WCW was going to become a west coast wrestling promotion and not be a southern one anymore, thats interesting. I think they would of been able to make more money having Nitro in LA everyweek then LV.

Also were was Thunder and Saturday Night going to be held at? So bascially wCw was going back to its NWA/JCP roots with the main shows being held in tv studios and ppvs in arenas.

Can I get a link to watch and hear this?


They didn't say anything about Thunder or saturday night in specific. They were still going to do live shows for Nitro, just no take it on the road as much.

You can listen to the audio but you would need to sign up for a PWInsider Elite account or do their Free 3-day trial

[Superark]

Didn't watch Lockdown, but I read the report and it sounds like it was a rather lackluster show that dropped the ball. I cannot believe they did not have Storm go over in TN.

I'm surprised because some of those matches on paper had the potential to be off-the charts

[AntMan]

Ambrose responds: I'm Veruca Salt's zombie corpse. I'd fn eat Willy Wonka alive. Oh, also you did a great job of taking tv away from great young talent in that segment. Then you stole their money and left #thanksmick Hmm, Ric is right, Only Ric wasn't one of those kids.I'm far more evolved, I'm far too damaged. Way past the point of no return #thanksmick

[The Sage]

Didn't watch Lockdown, but I read the report and it sounds like it was a rather lackluster show that dropped the ball. I cannot believe they did not have Storm go over in TN.

I'm surprised because some of those matches on paper had the potential to be off-the charts

Would it have been smart to have Storm go over instead of Roode continue on as champion? Maybe their aim is to keep building him up as a good heel.

[The Sage]

- TNA will tape Impact Wrestling on Tuesday and Wednesday night of this week with the fallout from Lockdown. They are teasing a major announcement from Hulk Hogan.

- Tickets for the 10-year anniversary Slammiversary pay-per-view will go on sale April 20th. This year's show will be held on June 10th from College Park Center in Arlington, Texas.

- Former WWE and TNA star Chris Harris was in the crowd at last night's TNA Lockdown pay-per-view from Nashville. Harris was making it known he was there and was said to be in good shape.

- Kurt Angle wrote on Twitter after his Lockdown loss to Jeff Hardy that his knee held up during the match and he is okay with pulling out of the Olympics. Angle added that he loves the fans and his job now is to entertain us.

- Former TNA Knockout Leticia Cline announced on Facebook that her wedding planned for this summer has been canceled. She cited personal reasons.

- Per the stipulations, Eric Bischoff has been written out of the TNA storylines after his team lost the Lethal Lockdown match to Team Garett Bischoff at last night's Lockdown pay-per-view. The other stipulation was Eric is no longer allowed to use the Bischoff name in business.

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[Keyser Soze]

I've seen quite a few people complaining about what a travesty it is that Robert Roode beat James Storm. And on the surface, yes, it seems like a terrible decision, after all the hype building up to this match. But, though I'm no fan of TNA or their moronic booking decisions, I have to say this one could make sense. Yes, James Storm finally beating Robert Roode for the title at Lockdown would have been big. But let's not forget that, in 2 months, arguably TNA's biggest event ever - their 10-year Slammiversary - is taking place. That could turn out to be the ideal location for the big blow-off between Robert Roode and James Storm.

[Lobo]

Still wrong evil.

He was referring to the house show pics, not the GI Joe ones.

[Superark]

Would it have been smart to have Storm go over instead of Roode continue on as champion? Maybe their aim is to keep building him up as a good heel.

It was the wrong place and wrong venue to have Storm lose. Under different circumstances I would have been OK with it. It's very much like the BFG issue with Roode and Angle.

[Superark]

Jeff Hardy's Swanton off the cage at Lockdown

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That's pretty impressive/crazy considering the fact Hardy is said to be dealing with a bad back right now

[Daniel Thompson]

They didn't say anything about Thunder or saturday night in specific. They were still going to do live shows for Nitro, just no take it on the road as much.

You can listen to the audio but you would need to sign up for a PWInsider Elite account or do their Free 3-day trial

Would of been interesting to see how that all would of played out. Think if anything they should of tried to rebrand in the south than west coast. Go back to there roots of being a southern wrestling company. Could of did Nitros live from a studio in NC or Georgia.

[Daniel Thompson]

I'll agree with this, Heyman or someone else in charge could have turned it around in a good way, just as long as it wasn't Bischoff running it again because that guy never learned his lesson lol.

As a buisnessman Heyman was no better, he did financially drive ECW into the ground. I think the guy who ran ECW before Heyman could of did a good job running wCw.

[AntMan]

More from Foley: I don't think one person in a million would watch this video with me and Ric Flair and come to the conclusion that @thedeanambrose did. Imagine there was a test that asks you to write one sentence, explaining the main point of the promo. The answers might be quite varied, as all promos are open to interpretation. But only ONE guy would look at it and write: "Mick was taking time away from the young guys." Please let me know when Dean has drawn his first dime in the wrestling business. Pay your dues, --Mick

[Keyser Soze]

I'm loving this back-and-forth Twitter war. Though Mick left himself wide open for a, "Let me know when the last time was that you drew a dime in the wrestling business, Mick," retort.

[Dr. Evil]

MVP clarifies WWE return possibility:

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/253173-724-sd-taping-location-mvp-clarifies-wwe-return-possibility

I think he'll be back in the WWE, otherwise he'd already be in TNA.

[TheFuture]

MVP strikes me as the kind of guy that would have been careful with his money, so I don't think he had a need to go to TNA.

I'd love to see him back, people talk a lot about Morrison being wasted potential but MVP was the bigger one for me. Solid in the ring AND on the mic. Ditto in regards to Carlito albeit prone to the odd botch.

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

WWE reveals Brock's ring attire.

http://m.wrestlezone.com/news/253187-wwe-reveals-brock-lesnars-new-ring-gear

WWE adds stipulation to Brock vs. Cena.

http://m.wrestlezone.com/news/253193-wwe-adds-stipulation-to-brock-lesnar-vs-john-cena-at-extreme-rules

[louiebling$]

Man Boots look really funny with MMA Trunks lol

[AntMan]

Man Boots look really funny with MMA Trunks lol

Big Daddy V and JBL still have him beat. Also, based on the stipulation, looks like Cena is taking the pin at Extreme Rules.

[Kaleb]

Brock looks like a boxer with his new atire.

[bullets]

Jeff Hardy's Swanton off the cage at Lockdown

That's pretty impressive/crazy considering the fact Hardy is said to be dealing with a bad back right now


here's another link/view rhZeiOiqimw

I thought it was a good match ( only one I've watched so far from Lockdown) . I liked when Jeff hit a backwards springboard/splash.
Also he did a lot of selling but I didn't know he was injured.


-- Eric Bischoff, who once considered Bret Hart a friend, now views "The Hitman" in a negative light. When asked for comment on the legendary wrestler on Twitter, he responded, "Another sad, bitter person. Too many of them in this business."



Bret is right to criticize Hogan but these guys should scale back on some of the hate towards one another. Bret looks more bitter than anything while Hogan tries to save face.

[AntMan]

Or MMA fighter.

[bullets]

I'd say Alex Riley, he went from challenging for the US title and being more over then he had any right to be to not even being on tv or if he was getting squashed by Brodus. I know Riley had/has heat on him, does anyone know what for?

Also, I'd add Camacho, JTG, Ezekiel Jackson, and Evan Bourne

Evan Bourne. He might never wrestle again anyway.

I'm sure some FCW talent will be released. Darren Young and JTG are prime candidates.


I don't remember why Alex has heat but it was reported in Dec 2011. I think it's over for him , JTG ,Curt Hawkins , Tyler Reks, Young , and Zeke. Bourne has it coming.

[Project862006]

i think yoshi tatsu may be gone too wwe have never done anything with him

[Dr. Evil]

WWE reveals Brock's ring attire.

http://m.wrestlezone.com/news/253187-wwe-reveals-brock-lesnars-new-ring-gear

WWE adds stipulation to Brock vs. Cena.

http://m.wrestlezone.com/news/253193-wwe-adds-stipulation-to-brock-lesnar-vs-john-cena-at-extreme-rules

The stipulation guarantees a Lesnar victory.

[Kaleb]

Cena should face Brock in this type of match

9bbYNDwnntQ

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

i think yoshi tatsu may be gone too wwe have never done anything with him

I think Yoshi might stay for the same reason Khali is still around, someone to represent the Asain fan base when they travel to Asia.

Plus the WWE always needs jobbers, they've got to keep at least a few of them.

[AntMan]

Dean Ambrose beat Alex Riley in the pre-show dark match in London.

[louiebling$]

Cena should face Brock in this type of match

9bbYNDwnntQ

No this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n55Tcatdo50&feature=youtube_gdata_player

:hehe:

[Pink Ranger]

here's another link/view rhZeiOiqimw

I thought it was a good match ( only one I've watched so far from Lockdown) . I liked when Jeff hit a backwards springboard/splash.
Also he did a lot of selling but I didn't know he was injured.


Even to this day, the Swanton bomb makes me cringe. It's like "Hey, if I'm jumping off the top rope, what part of my body could I use as a blunt weapon that would do the most damage to my opponent, but the least damage to me? Hmm ... I wait, I know! I'll hit him WITH THE BASE OF MY NECK! THE PART OF MY BODY WHERE MY HEAD CONNECTS TO MY SPINE! That's brilliant!"

[Lobo]

Just wanted to say I would/will totally mark out for an MVP return. Was always a big fan of his.

[Van Petrol]

The Brosnar new attire link doesn't seem to be working, so here it is in case anyone hasn't seen it yet:

http://i.imgur.com/2z7Zm.png

[Hunter Rider]

Watched Roberts vs Rude from MSG 10/25/88. I enjoyed the match quite a bit. I like the little things like Roberts biting Rude's hand to stop the Rude Awakening, and the way Rude sold Roberts' knee lift. The angle with Jake's wife certainly added to the match as well. I also dug the stipulation because every time a man went for a finisher there was a moment of anticipation.

That last part is the key to how good that match is, those two guys worked MSG into a frenzy waiting to see who could hit their big move, it was a case of doing a lot with a little.

Not broken, you just need to know the right word to replace the *****.

http://nexusdx.deviantart.com/art/I-HEARD-MY-NAME-B*TCH-244874653Replace the * in B*TCH in I. And you get the proper link.

Now I see, very accurate. :D

A quick filestube search might help you out, HR.

I've checked everywhere and I still can't find that Mondo documentary. :csad:

Didn't watch Lockdown, but I read the report and it sounds like it was a rather lackluster show that dropped the ball. I cannot believe they did not have Storm go over in TN.

I'm surprised because some of those matches on paper had the potential to be off-the charts

I watched the show, some of the matches were hindered by the cage, like the tag title match. The Lethal Lockdown match was so predictably booked and dull, I skipped Morgan/Crimson, ODB & EY vs Sexy salsa and Devon/Robbie D but Gail did a great job with Velvet, getting probably the best match out of Velvet I've seen anyone get.

Angle vs Jeff was like all their matches and suffered from the usual finisher kick out stuff they always do together. It was obvious before the match even started that Jeff would win with a Swanton off the top.

Roode vs Storm was good but the cuts to Storm's wife were a bad idea as she had the same dazed smile on her face regardless. I also thought the crowd was poor, I expected them to be behind Storm like Chicago was behind Punk last year at MITB, but they were fairly subdued.

Roode is arguably the best in the business right now and while I thought Storm would win in his hometown I get the feeling he just isn't over enough, he's certainly not as over as Hardy sadly and I think TNA want to keep Roode's molten heat in tact, thus the finish which you could see coming a mile off.


MVP strikes me as the kind of guy that would have been careful with his money, so I don't think he had a need to go to TNA.

I'd love to see him back, people talk a lot about Morrison being wasted potential but MVP was the bigger one for me. Solid in the ring AND on the mic. Ditto in regards to Carlito albeit prone to the odd botch.

Carlito was way too lazy and whiny to ever be a top guy. MVP had cosmetic and style issues but they never got the machine behind him to alter that.

[The Sage]

The Brosnar new attire link doesn't seem to be working, so here it is in case anyone hasn't seen it yet:

http://i.imgur.com/2z7Zm.png

Thanks. :up:

That does look awkward. I prefer the wrestling briefs look.

With the wardrobe change, I wonder how much of a difference will there be in his wrestling style?

[Project862006]

- Fit Finlay will face ROH Television champion Roderick Strong in his debut match for the promotion. The two will face off at "Border Wars" in Toronto on May 12th.

[Nemi]

Even to this day, the Swanton bomb makes me cringe. It's like "Hey, if I'm jumping off the top rope, what part of my body could I use as a blunt weapon that would do the most damage to my opponent, but the least damage to me? Hmm ... I wait, I know! I'll hit him WITH THE BASE OF MY NECK! THE PART OF MY BODY WHERE MY HEAD CONNECTS TO MY SPINE! That's brilliant!"

:lmao:

[The Sage]

WWE Raw Tapings Results from London, England

Reader Craig Rigden, Stephen Campbell, Rah Ra and Fabio Marinello are at the site of tonight's WWE Raw Supershow event at the O2 Arena in London, England. Here are the complete results sent in.

Dark Match

* Dean Ambrose defeated Alex Riley after executing a knee to head after pulling down his knee pad.

WWE Raw Supershow (Airing on USA

* Lilian Garcia Sang "God Save The Queen"

* Mark Henry comes out to open the show. The No DQ, No Count Out WWE Title Match with Henry and CM Punk is up first. They have a good solid match and brawl outside the ring a lot. Punk uses a chair and other stuff. Punk ends up getting the win to retain the WWE Title after hitting an elbow drop from the top with a steel chair.

* Chris Jericho promo is up next. Jericho vs. Punk for the WWE Title in a Chicago Street Fight is announced for Extreme Rules. Jericho taunts Punk and shows footage from earlier today of Punk entering a local bar/pub. Jericho wonders if Punk is drunk. Punk tell him to come find out and then says he was having fish and chips with his friends. Jericho says it's no longer about being the best - it's about beating Punk's ass.

* Santino Marella defeated David Otunga to retain the WWE United States Title. Santino wins a quick match with the Cobra.

* Josh Mathews is backstage with Lord Tensai. Tensai talks in Japanese and says something about knowing what to fear and fearing the unknown.

WWE flashes a graphic touting WrestleMania 28's 1.3 million pay-per-view buys.

* Brock Lesnar promo on the big screen. Lesnar says he isn't a WWE Superstar, he's an ass kicker. Lesnar says he doesn't care about anyone and isn't here for a feel good moment. WWE needs someone to legitimize it and he's the real deal to do it. Lesnar calls John Cena fake and says everyone is tired of his ********. They keep bleeping him out. He says Cena is pissing and ****ting himself. Lesnar says beating Cena up in the Extreme Rules match at Extreme Rules will make him happy.

* Kane defeated Zack Ryder after KO'ing him with a chokeslam. Kane talked about Randy Orton and what happened on SmackDown with Cowboy Bob Orton. They played Kane's old Man on Fire music as he left.

* Backstage segment with AJ Lee and Kofi Kingston when Daniel Bryan walks up. Lots of YES chants from the crowd. He's re-named the LaBell Lock the Yes Lock.

* John Cena comes to the ring. He talks about how WrestleMania 28 could have been the end of his era and about how John Laurinaitis wants to replace him. Cena talks about Lesnar and Extreme Rules. Cena says Lesnar is right - he is afraid but he will still fight. Out comes Laurinaitis. He says it's the beginning of the People Power Era. Laurinaitis announces an Extreme Rules match for Cena tonight but won't name the opponent. He also announces a contract singing for next week's 3 hour RAW with Cena and Lesnar.

* Backstage comedy segment with Hornswoggle and R-Truth, dressed as Sherlock Holmes.

* Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan is up next. Huge YES chants for Bryan. Bryan wins after a good back and forth match with the Yes Lock, formerly the LaBell Lock. The crowd goes nuts for Bryan. Bryan re-applied the hold after the match until Sheamus came out. Bryan dodged a Brogue Kick and left as the crowd was still chanting.

* Brodus Clay beat Dolph Ziggler by DQ when Jack Swagger interfered. Vickie Guerrero got into it at ringside with one of Clay's dancers. Clay and his dancers dance in the ring to end it.

* A video for the late Chief Jay Strongbow airs.

* Big Show and The Great Khali vs. Epico and Primo is up next. Abraham Washington watches the match from up on the ramp. Show and Khali get the win after a double choke slam.

* John Cena comes out for his Extreme Rules match against a mystery man. That mystery man is none other than Lord Tensai. Laurinaitis comes out and watches Tensai dominate Cena. Cena finally makes a comeback but Sakamoto attacks him. David Otunga also got involved at one point. Tensai spit the green mist into Cena's face to get the surprising win and end RAW.


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[AntMan]

Thanks. :up:

That does look awkward. I prefer the wrestling briefs look.

With the wardrobe change, I wonder how much of a difference will there be in his wrestling style?

It might be more mat based, like his matches from Japan.

[Darkness Falls]

r-truth dressed as sherlock holmes ? :D haha

[Dr. Evil]

So will Tensai get a reaction this week?

[Van Petrol]

WWE Raw Tapings Results from London, England

Reader Craig Rigden, Stephen Campbell, Rah Ra and Fabio Marinello are at the site of tonight's WWE Raw Supershow event at the O2 Arena in London, England. Here are the complete results sent in.

Dark Match

* Dean Ambrose defeated Alex Riley after executing a knee to head after pulling down his knee pad.

WWE Raw Supershow (Airing on USA

* Lilian Garcia Sang "God Save The Queen"

* Mark Henry comes out to open the show. The No DQ, No Count Out WWE Title Match with Henry and CM Punk is up first. They have a good solid match and brawl outside the ring a lot. Punk uses a chair and other stuff. Punk ends up getting the win to retain the WWE Title after hitting an elbow drop from the top with a steel chair.

* Chris Jericho promo is up next. Jericho vs. Punk for the WWE Title in a Chicago Street Fight is announced for Extreme Rules. Jericho taunts Punk and shows footage from earlier today of Punk entering a local bar/pub. Jericho wonders if Punk is drunk. Punk tell him to come find out and then says he was having fish and chips with his friends. Jericho says it's no longer about being the best - it's about beating Punk's ass.

* Santino Marella defeated David Otunga to retain the WWE United States Title. Santino wins a quick match with the Cobra.

* Josh Mathews is backstage with Lord Tensai. Tensai talks in Japanese and says something about knowing what to fear and fearing the unknown.

WWE flashes a graphic touting WrestleMania 28's 1.3 million pay-per-view buys.

* Brock Lesnar promo on the big screen. Lesnar says he isn't a WWE Superstar, he's an ass kicker. Lesnar says he doesn't care about anyone and isn't here for a feel good moment. WWE needs someone to legitimize it and he's the real deal to do it. Lesnar calls John Cena fake and says everyone is tired of his ********. They keep bleeping him out. He says Cena is pissing and ****ting himself. Lesnar says beating Cena up in the Extreme Rules match at Extreme Rules will make him happy.

* Kane defeated Zack Ryder after KO'ing him with a chokeslam. Kane talked about Randy Orton and what happened on SmackDown with Cowboy Bob Orton. They played Kane's old Man on Fire music as he left.

* Backstage segment with AJ Lee and Kofi Kingston when Daniel Bryan walks up. Lots of YES chants from the crowd. He's re-named the LaBell Lock the Yes Lock.

* John Cena comes to the ring. He talks about how WrestleMania 28 could have been the end of his era and about how John Laurinaitis wants to replace him. Cena talks about Lesnar and Extreme Rules. Cena says Lesnar is right - he is afraid but he will still fight. Out comes Laurinaitis. He says it's the beginning of the People Power Era. Laurinaitis announces an Extreme Rules match for Cena tonight but won't name the opponent. He also announces a contract singing for next week's 3 hour RAW with Cena and Lesnar.

* Backstage comedy segment with Hornswoggle and R-Truth, dressed as Sherlock Holmes.

* Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan is up next. Huge YES chants for Bryan. Bryan wins after a good back and forth match with the Yes Lock, formerly the LaBell Lock. The crowd goes nuts for Bryan. Bryan re-applied the hold after the match until Sheamus came out. Bryan dodged a Brogue Kick and left as the crowd was still chanting.

* Brodus Clay beat Dolph Ziggler by DQ when Jack Swagger interfered. Vickie Guerrero got into it at ringside with one of Clay's dancers. Clay and his dancers dance in the ring to end it.

* A video for the late Chief Jay Strongbow airs.

* Big Show and The Great Khali vs. Epico and Primo is up next. Abraham Washington watches the match from up on the ramp. Show and Khali get the win after a double choke slam.

* John Cena comes out for his Extreme Rules match against a mystery man. That mystery man is none other than Lord Tensai. Laurinaitis comes out and watches Tensai dominate Cena. Cena finally makes a comeback but Sakamoto attacks him. David Otunga also got involved at one point. Tensai spit the green mist into Cena's face to get the surprising win and end RAW.


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The 'Yes Lock'. I like it! :woot: :up:

[LOBO3315a]

So will Tensai get a reaction this week?

Sure, it'll go something like "A-TRAIN! A-TRAIN! A-TRAIN!!! Prince Albert!!!"

[Darkness Falls]

i wonder why brock is bringing his ufc attire to wwe
seems a tad odd, unless he's changing his wrestling style to more like that style

judging by his take down on cena last week i'm assuming he's adapted his ufc style to wrestling

[LOBO3315a]

I've found my Entrance Music! tczU6OWoUkI

[Metallo]

It was the wrong place and wrong venue to have Storm lose. Under different circumstances I would have been OK with it. It's very much like the BFG issue with Roode and Angle.

I think they are drawing it out since this is the first big PPV match between the two in this particular second feud. I think they know they can get one or two more matches out of it. Like someone else said Storm can still win the title at Slammiversary which is a bigger show. Even though Storm Lost Roode has been doing solid work despite some spotty booking so its not a big negative.


I watched the show, some of the matches were hindered by the cage, like the tag title match. The Lethal Lockdown match was so predictably booked and dull, I skipped Morgan/Crimson, ODB & EY vs Sexy salsa and Devon/Robbie D but Gail did a great job with Velvet, getting probably the best match out of Velvet I've seen anyone get.

Angle vs Jeff was like all their matches and suffered from the usual finisher kick out stuff they always do together. It was obvious before the match even started that Jeff would win with a Swanton off the top.

Roode vs Storm was good but the cuts to Storm's wife were a bad idea as she had the same dazed smile on her face regardless. I also thought the crowd was poor, I expected them to be behind Storm like Chicago was behind Punk last year at MITB, but they were fairly subdued.

Roode is arguably the best in the business right now and while I thought Storm would win in his hometown I get the feeling he just isn't over enough, he's certainly not as over as Hardy sadly and I think TNA want to keep Roode's molten heat in tact, thus the finish which you could see coming a mile off.

I haven't watched the show yet either. I was actually more surprised that Sky lost than Storm. I figured they must be building Gail Kim up to put Velvet over. She may go over eventually but if she doesn't I don't have a clue why they are pushing Gail so hard.


WWE reveals Brock's ring attire.

http://m.wrestlezone.com/news/253187-wwe-reveals-brock-lesnars-new-ring-gear

It looks a little odd. I think its the combination of the wrestling boots and gloves and trunks. I think going more MMA suits the evolution of his character though. They just need to make the overall look gel better.

WWE adds stipulation to Brock vs. Cena.

http://m.wrestlezone.com/news/253193-wwe-adds-stipulation-to-brock-lesnar-vs-john-cena-at-extreme-rulesThis might actually work to protect Cena. Brock could do all kinds of underhanded stuff (So could Ace) and it would be legal.



i wonder why brock is bringing his ufc attire to wwe
seems a tad odd, unless he's changing his wrestling style to more like that style

judging by his take down on cena last week i'm assuming he's adapted his ufc style to wrestling

I think the MMA gear is to play off his current character direction of feeling like he a is a legitimate fighter and athlete due to his UFC success. It may be used to make him look like a bigger heel if he looks down his nose at wrestling.



As a buisnessman Heyman was no better, he did financially drive ECW into the ground. I think the guy who ran ECW before Heyman could of did a good job running wCw.

Plus I don't think Heyman EVER would have worked FOR Bischoff in any capacity. Especially not at that period. He's been willing to work around him but never for him.

[LOBO3315a]

Didn't take them long to add Borck's face to the beginning of the show.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Not live?

[SpideyInATree]

Damn opening right up with the CM Punk/Mark Henry match.

[Trainwreck2100]

Not live?
it would end at like 3am there if it was live

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

After missing Raw last week, I actually get to watch live this week! w00t!!!

But why exactly are we opening with a WWE Championship match, and why is the challenger, Mark Henry, getting the jobber's entrance?

[Trainwreck2100]

Mark Henry got a squashee intro

[LOBO3315a]

I'm seeing Internet Meme faces in the crowd. BRILLIANT!

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[SpideyInATree]

CM Punk is super over in England. :woot:

[Lunar_Wolf]

it would end at like 3am there if it was live

It ends 4am here, every week:csad:

[venom892]

Sexual Chocolate chant!

[AntMan]

Excerpt from Foley's blog on Ambrose: Sports-entertainment has to involve a certain ammount of respect and trust. It's pretty obvious Dean Ambrose doesn't have the slightest ammount of respect for me, and therefore I can't place the slightest ammount of trust in him. http://mickfoley.typepad.com/mickfoley/2012/04/i-tried-to-upload-a-video-but-was-not-successful-so-here-is-a-short-synopsis-of-what-i-had-to-say-1-looks-like-the-new-w.html

[Trainwreck2100]

that sexual chocolate chant, me gusta london

[The Sage]

Match is going well so far. :D

[LOBO3315a]

Yeah, Punk running along the wall and bulldogging Henry is BRILLIANT!


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[NDX]

I'm still impressed to see a guy Henry's size bump as hard as he does. I've seen big guys smaller than him much more timid and afraid when it comes to hard bumps and landings. Henry still takes some hard bumps and moves even though he's had some very bad injuries in his long career. Kudos to him.

Holy ****, Punk. Rick Steiner would be proud.

And Punk's dead. He's ****ing dead.

[The Sage]

Seriously, where was this Mark Henry a decade ago? :eek:

[SpideyInATree]

I dig this crowd in England they are super hot. Always makes the show better. Last weeks RAW the crowd seemed to be asleep.

[Hunter Rider]

Another really good match between Punk and Henry.

I haven't watched the show yet either. I was actually more surprised that Sky lost than Storm. I figured they must be building Gail Kim up to put Velvet over. She may go over eventually but if she doesn't I don't have a clue why they are pushing Gail so hard.

I think it's a case of Gail being a good fit as champion for the company, she's got class and is a very good worker, plus TNA do not have a heel factory capable of carrying Velvet as champion. I still wouldn't be surprised if they push ODB against her.

[louiebling$]

Brock would look a hellava lot better wearing these:

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww190/swaab95/asicsss.jpg


And they would fit with the direction they are taking him...instead of those monstrous boots

[NDX]

Seriously, where was this Mark Henry a decade ago? :eek:
He might not be here now having the best matches of his career with some of the best wrestlers WWE has if he was wrestling like this a decade ago. So I'm thankful he's this damn good now.\

Punk reliving his past with Joe there?

[LOBO3315a]

Sad to think Henry will be retiring. That's not BRILLIANT!


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[Trainwreck2100]

that sign says del rio stole my car

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The broadcast tonight has a weird feel to it. IDK how to explain it though.

[NDX]

Mark just got his ****ing head kicked in!

[LOBO3315a]

This crowd is almost as hot as that one right on RAW after Wrestlemmania. Loving the "YES" chants. They are BRILLIANT!

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[Lunar_Wolf]

Nice finish.

[Trainwreck2100]

good ending to the match

[NDX]

Wow, that was a great finish. I completely forgot about that chair tucked in the corner.

I would not be upset if these 2 had more matches against one another.

[SpideyInATree]

I'm loving the "YES" chants everytime Punk was hitting Henry. :woot:

[Trainwreck2100]

england has many fine pubs

[LOBO3315a]

The Wrestling Thread Has Whiskey Goggles On. BRILLIANT!


NBh895KdXAU

[NDX]

Pub food's the ****, don't you know that Y2J?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Did we really get a "Fish and Chips" chant?? lmao

"The Wrestling Thread is in Denial" :D

Jericho is gold

[Kaleb]

Love the london crowd.

[The Sage]

The broadcast tonight has a weird feel to it. IDK how to explain it though.

Probably because it's in the UK. And that it's taped, not live.

[SpideyInATree]

Did we really get a "Fish and Chips" chant?? lmao

"The Wrestling Thread is in Denial" :D

Jericho is gold

Punk did say on Twitter he was going to get Fish an Chips to trend. :oldrazz:

[LOBO3315a]

Oh....my. R-Truth Holmes. BRILLIANT!


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[Specter313]

HA! What the hell is Truth wearing.

[Trainwreck2100]

HA! What the hell is Truth wearing.
sherlock holmes outfit

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Jesus Christ R-Truth, haha.

Santino... lulz

[LOBO3315a]

Santino's Jersey bit was....you guessed it.....BRILLIANT!


NBh895KdXAU

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

I really hate those fake cheers.

[The Sage]

What's with the body oil, Otunga? :funny:

[Hunter Rider]

WWE don't realize Chelsea and Arsenal are London clubs. :dry:

[Trainwreck2100]

I just want to add that they gave a really weak reason to give jericho a title shot

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Probably because it's in the UK. And that it's taped, not live.

I was thinking that, but I've never noticed it when they've gone to London before, and Smackdown doesn't feel like this.

Either way, I can't really explain what's off about it.

Am I the only one that likes Otunga's theme? Otunga in general is starting to get over with me. I think him and Laurinaitis are a great duo.

[SpideyInATree]

R-Truth Holmes and Little Jimmy Watson needs to be a new T-shirt. :oldrazz:

[Specter313]

It really says something about how not over Otunga is when a hot crowd like tonight goes absolutely silent when he comes out.

[LOBO3315a]

I think I have a new name for Otunga.

What do you guys think about calling him Oil-tunga? BRILLIANT?


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[NDX]

What's with the body oil, Otunga? :funny:

He's shinier than Jericho's jackets.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I just want to add that they gave a really weak reason to give jericho a title shot

Eh, it's probably not the worst reason ever for someone to get a title shot.

[Lunar_Wolf]

WWE don't realize Chelsea and Arsenal are London clubs. :dry:
Let's forgive their Americanness.

I really hate those fake cheers.

Same. Always takes me out of the show.

[NDX]

Body by Otunga should have won. I really hate Santino's "finisher".

[The Sage]

Lesnar's interview's gonna be good. I can feel it.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Piss is running down Cena's leg!

[LOBO3315a]

What's That Running Down the Wrestling Thread's Leg? BRILLIANT!


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[Trainwreck2100]

i can't believe they reshowed that otunga pin where he botched the spot of the pin and for no reason had to push santino towards the rope.

[SpideyInATree]

i can't believe they reshowed that otunga pin where he botched the spot of the pin and for no reason had to push santino towards the rope.

Otunga botched that arm drag too. Probably because he wears all that oil hopefully someone tells him to stop that before he gets someone killed. :oldrazz:

[LOBO3315a]

The most outspoken WWE star of all time Michale Cole? Stone Cold was more outspoken by far. That's BRILLIANT!


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[Trainwreck2100]

so is brock supposed to be the heel?

[NDX]

After that interview, I just might order Extreme Rules.

[The Sage]

John Cena's gonna die at Extreme Rules. :eek:

[Trainwreck2100]

the wheelchair shove was so hilarious