The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 7

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[Venom75]

What is it with the hyphen being lost to people, even google search asks "Didst thou mean no hyphen?"

As stupid as it is,I HATE when people always forget the hyphen in Spider-man. Or when they refer to black suited Spider-man as Venom. Jeez.

[Spider-Aziz]

As stupid as it is,I HATE when people always forget the hyphen in Spider-man. Or when they refer to black suited Spider-man as Venom. Jeez.
I'm with you

[El Payaso]

As stupid as it is,I HATE when people always forget the hyphen in Spider-man. Or when they refer to black suited Spider-man as Venom. Jeez.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m387/mrbungle_08/spidermanlol.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m387/mrbungle_08/sheldon.jpg

[UltimateWebhead]

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m387/mrbungle_08/spidermanlol.jpg
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m387/mrbungle_08/sheldon.jpg

:up:

[Spider-Aziz]

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m387/mrbungle_08/spidermanlol.jpg
In one panel he made him say Palmer instead of Parker
One panel doesn't compare to thousands more, movie adaptions, animated adaptions, video games, musical, etc...

:o

[El Payaso]

In one panel he made him say Palmer instead of Parker
One panel doesn't compare to thousands more, movie adaptions, animated adaptions, video games, musical, etc...

:o

In fact they wrote it without the hyphen the whole story, not just one panel. But if you're okay with that you're okay with one post in a while where the name is without a hyphen then.

[Spider-Aziz]

In fact they wrote it without the hyphen the whole story, not just one panel. But if you're okay with that you're okay with one post in a while where the name is without a hyphen then.Wish it was only one post in a while, there's a plethora of posts with that wrong :whatever::

[Chris Wallace]

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/coaltiger2614/spidey-2.jpg

[Anno_Domini]

Hey look, it's Spiderman :grin:

I've always called him Spider-Man myself. It's much different than Batman, imo, as he's a Spider and a Man all foiled in one with spider-like abilities. Spider-Man. Batman is just a man taking on the persona and likeness of a bat.

[El Payaso]

Hey look, it's Spiderman :grin:

I've always called him Spider-Man myself. It's much different than Batman, imo, as he's a Spider and a Man all foiled in one with spider-like abilities. Spider-Man. Batman is just a man taking on the persona and likeness of a bat.

Are you..... grammatically explaining the hyphen in a superhero name?

[Anno_Domini]

Lol. I think of things way too much, so in a way....

yes, yes I am.

[SpaceWay2009]

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/coaltiger2614/spidey-2.jpgI like this picture. :yay:

[Spider-Aziz]

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/coaltiger2614/spidey-2.jpgOK, I equally love both movie suits

Hey look, it's Spiderman :grin:

I've always called him Spider-Man myself. It's much different than Batman, imo, as he's a Spider and a Man all foiled in one with spider-like abilities. Spider-Man. Batman is just a man taking on the persona and likeness of a bat.

Are you..... grammatically explaining the hyphen in a superhero name?That's reasoning the hyphen, putting logic behind it

[El Payaso]

That's reasoning the hyphen, putting logic behind it

Yes, this conversation is but based on reason and logic.

[Spider-Aziz]

Yes, this conversation is but based on reason and logic.
:funny:
But there's a reason behind the hyphen, still

[henzINNIT]

One of my favourite things about the Spider-Man series is its iconic action sequences. I don't know whether it's genre saturation or director-laziness, but most comic book movies since have had pretty unmemorable action to me; even the good ones like Iron Man and Dark Knight.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Spider-man was just on over here in the UK... I can't believe that in 2 weeks this movie will be 10 years old.

It makes me incredibly nostalgic and sad at the same time. :csad:

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm setting the trilogy ready to watch for that time

[A Necessary Evil]

WTF do you hate those movies or not?

[Doc Ock]

I've never really thought about it before but Spiderman looks really weird to me compared to Spider-Man.

[Spidey_62]

You guy's are probably aware of the Guile's theme goes with everything meme, being on the internet and all - so here's something hilarious a friend of mine made. Check it out. :woot:

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I've never really thought about it before but Spiderman looks really weird to me compared to Spider-Man.

Yeah, and Stan Lee said he put the hyphen there so people wouldn't confuse him with Superman at a glance. So speaks Stan The Man. :word:

[Spider-Aziz]

WTF do you hate those movies or not?
Why would I hate them? Spider-Man 2 is graded higher than it deserves being called as one of the best CBM's, I don't hate any of them, they're good for great action and good laughs

[El Payaso]

:funny:
But there's a reason behind the hyphen, still

As there is for green color in Hulk: someone just put it there.

[Spider-Aziz]

As there is for green color in Hulk: someone just put it there.
Stan felt Spiderman could be confused for Superman, I thought the notion ridiculous, but then I found myself agreeing
I think Stan said something about the green skin, Gray was too dark or something

[Thebumwhowalks]

Stan felt Spiderman could be confused for Superman, I thought the notion ridiculous, but then I found myself agreeing
I think Stan said something about the green skin, Gray was too dark or something

Stan said the colour Gray didn't print very well, it was not consistent with what they illustrated colourwise, so they changed the Hulk's colour to Green.

[El Payaso]

Stan felt Spiderman could be confused for Superman, I thought the notion ridiculous, but then I found myself agreeing


That's funny because, even with the hyphen, both characters share a lot of similar characteristics. I don't see the hyphen making much difference.



Stan said the colour Gray didn't print very well, it was not consistent with what they illustrated colourwise, so they changed the Hulk's colour to Green.

Exactly. It was that random. There's no meaning/reason/logic behind the green.

[Spider-Aziz]

^Reading the name

[Doc Ock]

That's funny because, even with the hyphen, both characters share a lot of similar characteristics. I don't see the hyphen making much difference.

You know, I've always smiled at alot of the similarities between Supes and Spidey. Ironically both of them are probably in my top 5 superheroes. Both have a job at a major Newspaper company, both were raised by "foster" parents who taught them much good, both arch villains are simply rich billionaires. (Norman Osborn and Lex Luthor) I love the similarities!

Except Spidey isn't the leader of a superhero team but oh well. They both have so much in common.

[SpaceWay2009]

^I feel the same way!

[Anno_Domini]

You know, I've always smiled at alot of the similarities between Supes and Spidey. Ironically both of them are probably in my top 5 superheroes. Both have a job at a major Newspaper company, both were raised by "foster" parents who taught them much good, both arch villains are simply rich billionaires. (Norman Osborn and Lex Luthor) I love the similarities!

Except Spidey isn't the leader of a superhero team but oh well. They both have so much in common.

:cwink:

[SpaceWay2009]

lol I didn't even notice that, Anno. Pwahaha Good observation.

[Doc Ock]

:cwink:

Uh, oopsie! Fixed that. :hehe:

[Spider-Aziz]

You know, I've always smiled at alot of the similarities between Supes and Spidey. Ironically both of them are probably in my top 5 superheroes. Both have a job at a major Newspaper company, both were raised by "foster" parents who taught them much good, both arch villains are simply rich billionaires. (Norman Osborn and Lex Luthor) I love the similarities!

Except Spidey isn't the leader of a superhero team but oh well. They both have so much in common.
Gives me the desire to read Superman again
Don't remember why I stopped

[Spider-Aziz]

Movie 1 has a burning building scene, no smoke
Movie 2 has a burning building scene, again no smoke
I'm glad the third movie didn't have that scene
Why is there no smoke?

[The Joker]

The third movie had MJ getting kidnapped again. Far more redundant than a burning building. Especially since by now nobody like the Cops or the media were suspicious that every time a super villain pops up MJ ends up getting kidnapped by them.

The newscaster should have said "The hostage is Mary Jane Watson, the same girl who has been kidnapped by the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus in the past". Not a line about her failed Broadway career.

[Rodrigo90]

:lmao: So true and very funny!

Anyway, I've right this minute got my headphones in, listening to Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head...thanks Spider-Man 2! :D

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

The third movie had MJ getting kidnapped again. Far more redundant than a burning building. Especially since by now nobody like the Cops or the media were suspicious that every time a super villain pops up MJ ends up getting kidnapped by them.

The newscaster should have said "The hostage is Mary Jane Watson, the same girl who has been kidnapped by the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus in the past". Not a line about her failed Broadway career.
I don't think they knew that the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus kidnapped her.

[The Joker]

I don't think they knew that the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus kidnapped her.

How could they not? Her kidnappings were huge public events. The bridge incident with Goblin would have been a huge media storm, and MJ was seen being held hostage and rescued by dozens of people, including the people on the bridge, the tram, and on the boat that rescued them. She'd have been interviewed by the Cops at the very least about her ordeal.

Second we know the Police and the media knew she was abducted by Ock.

Robbie: "Still no word on the whereabouts of your son's fiancee"

A brigade of Cops showed up at the end after Spidey lowered MJ down to John.

[A Necessary Evil]

I think there was a reference...or something in the script or novel. I'm not exactly sure what, but I do recall there being something talking about it. They probably just cut the dialogue out of the movie.

[Anno_Domini]

The third movie had MJ getting kidnapped again. Far more redundant than a burning building. Especially since by now nobody like the Cops or the media were suspicious that every time a super villain pops up MJ ends up getting kidnapped by them.

The newscaster should have said "The hostage is Mary Jane Watson, the same girl who has been kidnapped by the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus in the past". Not a line about her failed Broadway career.

So true! I always thought about this. Rather than making a mention of a lesser-known Broadway star, she's been kidnapped by her third villain and they don't mention that? So silly.

I don't think they knew that the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus kidnapped her.

Then the media in New York suck at their job seeing as how people should've been questioned at the bridge during Green Goblin's attack and the name Mary Jane Watson should have been used as well as cops arriving at the scene of that warehouse where Mary Jane was at.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

How could they not? Her kidnappings were huge public events. The bridge incident with Goblin would have been a huge media storm, and MJ was seen being held hostage and rescued by dozens of people, including the people on the bridge, the tram, and on the boat that rescued them. She'd have been interviewed by the Cops at the very least about her ordeal.

Second we know the Police and the media knew she was abducted by Ock.

Robbie: "Still no word on the whereabouts of your son's fiancee"

A brigade of Cops showed up at the end after Spidey lowered MJ down to John.
Hadn't thought of that. And I forgot about that Daily Bugle scene.

[Chris Wallace]

Movie 1 has a burning building scene, no smoke
Movie 2 has a burning building scene, again no smoke
I'm glad the third movie didn't have that scene
Why is there no smoke?

Who cares?

[Doc Ock]

Who cares?

Yeah, its something that has never been noticed by me. :p

[A Necessary Evil]

Spider-Aziz has weird ass opinions all over the place

[Spider-Aziz]

Snape, is that avatar of yours a clip from the new CGI cartoon?

[A Necessary Evil]

No, it's from a video on youtube

" The Killing Joke in 3D"

[SpaceWay2009]

So true! I always thought about this. Rather than making a mention of a lesser-known Broadway star, she's been kidnapped by her third villain and they don't mention that? So silly.



Then the media in New York suck at their job seeing as how people should've been questioned at the bridge during Green Goblin's attack and the name Mary Jane Watson should have been used as well as cops arriving at the scene of that warehouse where Mary Jane was at.Since you mentioned that, it kind of makes the writing seem...a little lazy, I guess - for lack of a better word. I mean, MJ was kidnapped in all three movies. It's funny to think the police wouldn't even know who was kidnapped, and same thing for the media. lol

[UltimateWebhead]

Movie 1 has a burning building scene, no smoke
Movie 2 has a burning building scene, again no smoke
I'm glad the third movie didn't have that scene
Why is there no smoke?

You mean the movie about a fictional spider-bitten superhero? Gah! Where's the realism when you need it? :cwink:

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

You mean the movie about a fictional spider-bitten superhero? Gah! Where's the realism when you need it? :cwink:

Over in the Batman franchise. :cwink:

[UltimateWebhead]

Over in the Batman franchise. :cwink:

Nice :woot:

[El Payaso]

Movie 1 has a burning building scene, no smoke
Movie 2 has a burning building scene, again no smoke
I'm glad the third movie didn't have that scene
Why is there no smoke?

Was there no smoke? I remember the baby with no soot in the first one, but I don't remember the lack of smoke. I mean, I do remember smoke but... was there no smoke? :huh:

[Anno_Domini]

Movie 1 has a burning building scene, no smoke

Instead of silly complaints, you should watch the films again to prove your points otherwise.

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Movie 2 has a burning building scene, again no smoke

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Hey look at that.....smoke in both scenes.

Since you mentioned that, it kind of makes the writing seem...a little lazy, I guess - for lack of a better word. I mean, MJ was kidnapped in all three movies. It's funny to think the police wouldn't even know who was kidnapped, and same thing for the media. lol

Spider-Man 3 had a lot of lazy writing, and this is just the least of their problems with the script, haha.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

Echo. Echo. Echo. Echo.

[Thebumwhowalks]

Echo. Echo. Echo. Echo.

yeah, there has been no posts for a few days in this particular thread about a series of movies that ended 4 years ago, hoaw bizaaarrree!! lol

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

May 3rd is the 10th anniversary of Spider-man...

Get your Blu-rays at the ready. :jedi

[UltimateWebhead]

SM2 is on FX right now. :woot:

[UltimateWebhead]

A movie from a film series you don't like much that you have probably seen countless times, and own on dvd, is on tv, and that's makes you happy? haha You must be far too superstitious for your own good or something. Personally, I wouldn't give a much of a sh**.

I have no idea where you're getting this info that I don't like the Raimi films besides the third one. SM2 is not only one of my favorite movies but I also rank it as the best CBM to date. Quit yer trolling.

[Anno_Domini]

Bum is quite a troll, so don't mind him much.

I would watch S-M 2 on FX if I could, but I do plan on watching it anyways sometime this weekend maybe.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

May 3rd is the 10th anniversary of Spider-man...

Get your Blu-rays at the ready. :jedi
I forgot about that. I've been meaning to watch the first movie again for awhile. Whenever I plan to do it, at the last minute, I decide I don't feel like it for some reason.

SM2 is on FX right now. :woot:
That's where I first saw SM3 and SM2. But if there's a movie that I really like, I watch it on dvd. I wouldn't watch it even if it was on at the same time that I plan on watching it, since I don't wanna watch/skip through commercials.

[UltimateWebhead]

Bum is quite a troll, so don't mind him much.

I would watch S-M 2 on FX if I could, but I do plan on watching it anyways sometime this weekend maybe.

I was gonna do the same but I caught it on TV today, so I got my fix. With the Avengers coming out this weekend I got myself all caught up on the Marvel movies and watched them all on dvd. I started with Hulk and ended up with Capt America. It got me excited for the new movie and also got me wanting to watch the Raimi trilogy again. I think I may still do that since I haven't really watched them back to back to back in quite a while.


That's where I first saw SM3 and SM2. But if there's a movie that I really like, I watch it on dvd. I wouldn't watch it even if it was on at the same time that I plan on watching it, since I don't wanna watch/skip through commercials.

I agree...when there's a movie I really love it's definitely more enjoyable to watch it on dvd/bluray than on TV.

[The Joker]

A movie from a film series you don't like much that you have probably seen countless times, and own on dvd, is on tv, and that's makes you happy? haha You must be far too superstitious for your own good or something. Personally, I wouldn't give a much of a sh**.

Ding dong the troll is gone.

About time the mods banned bum.

[SpaceWay2009]

lol Wow. Why did he get banned - if anyone knows?

[The Joker]

There's a laundry list of reasons for him to have been banned. I'm surprised it took this long to happen.

[Anno_Domini]

Bum did get banned? GOOD!

He called me out once saying I was making fun of people with handicaps only because I called the giant Sandman a retard.

[SpaceWay2009]

lol I guess he sometime does come off as a troll.

[Spider-Aziz]

Watching the first movie now
10 years :wow:

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I'm going to watch Spider-man tonight... while it's technically it's 10th anniversary, it didn't open in the UK until June 14th.

I was only 12 when it came out, so it hit me at the perfect time and I LOVED it. :hrt:

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x271/jwatts2_99/Movie%20Stuff/3e1d.jpg

I haven't seen it start to finish in a while... so I wonder how it's aged. It's always scary going back to have that nostalgia broken... especially in the light of The Amazing Spider-man.

10 years sure does go by fast.

[Spider-Aziz]

To me, it's not the awesome film I initially felt it was, watching it now it's still highly entertaining

[El Payaso]

To me, it's not the awesome film I initially felt it was, watching it now it's still highly entertaining

I have to see it again. Haven't seen it in years and years.

I remember how excited I was about this back in 2001-2002. Specially because Sam Raimi (Darkman!!! Evil Dead!!!!) was directing. But I left the cinema dissapointed. :csad:

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I have to see it again. Haven't seen it in years and years.

I remember how excited I was about this back in 2001-2002. Specially because Sam Raimi (Darkman!!! Evil Dead!!!!) was directing. But I left the cinema dissapointed. :csad:

Really?

Why the dissapointment? Surely that end scene left you on a high? :yay:

[El Payaso]

Really?

Why the dissapointment? Surely that end scene left you on a high? :yay:

I didn't think it was actuially bad. Maybe it was my age. I was 28 back then and had seen many thing on the big screen before.

But it was way too commercial and predictable. And, well, too kid-friendly. I hated things like how hurried certain things were treated, such as Uncle Ben's death and Spider-man's first apparitions.

I remember I left the theater, went to the bathroom and look myself in the mirror thinking "Did you like it?" In time I accepted that it wasn't the groundbreaking new bar of the genre I was waiting for. I much prefered X-Men or Iron Man.

[A Necessary Evil]

You saw Iron Man in 2002?! :oldrazz:

[UltimateWebhead]

Bum did get banned? GOOD!

He called me out once saying I was making fun of people with handicaps only because I called the giant Sandman a retard.

Bum was definitely negative.

I'm going to watch Spider-man tonight... while it's technically it's 10th anniversary, it didn't open in the UK until June 14th.

I was only 12 when it came out, so it hit me at the perfect time and I LOVED it. :hrt:

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x271/jwatts2_99/Movie%20Stuff/3e1d.jpg

I haven't seen it start to finish in a while... so I wonder how it's aged. It's always scary going back to have that nostalgia broken... especially in the light of The Amazing Spider-man.

10 years sure does go by fast.

You were 12? Gosh. That makes me feel old. :csad:

[Spider-Aziz]

Watching Spider-Man 2 right now, and as hard as I picked on it, it's still a fun flick to watch
Will save Spider-Man 3 for tomorrow, its 5th anniversary

[Chris Wallace]

Still love it as much as I did 8 years ago.

[roach]

yeah...Spider-man 2.5 has been on tv left and right and i forgot how awesome this movie was

[Spider-Aziz]

Since both anniversaries are done and I watched all 3 films, I removed them
Sad thing when I was watching SM3, I wasn't in a mood to enjoy it

[roach]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170547-maguire-interviews-garfield-about-the-amazing-spider-man

Tobey Maquire interviews Garfield about being Spider-man.

[Spider-Aziz]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170547-maguire-interviews-garfield-about-the-amazing-spider-man

Tobey Maquire interviews Garfield about being Spider-man.My favorite part of the interview is I was 19 when I saw [Spider-Man]. I got a pirated dvd at portobello Market with my friend Terry Mcguiness, and we went back to my skanky apartment in North London and we watched it twice in a row and then practiced your final line in the mirror!http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/25029/144053-82775-terry-mcginnis_super.jpg
Batman of the Future & the Amazing Spider-Man are buddies :wow:

[BrollySupersj]

So just for the hell of it, I added up all the WW totals of each Spider-Man film. And it comes out to...

$2,496,634,518

God damn, that is an assload of cash.

[Anno_Domini]

So just for the hell of it, I added up all the WW totals of each Spider-Man film. And it comes out to...

$2,496,634,518

God damn, that is an assload of cash.

I got $2,496,346,518.

S-M 1 - $821,708,551
S-M 2 - $783,766,341
S-M 3 - $890,871,626

TDKR needs to make $1,121,714,678+ to beat Raimi's trilogy, lol.

[Spider-Aziz]

So just for the hell of it, I added up all the WW totals of each Spider-Man film. And it comes out to...

$2,496,634,518

God damn, that is an assload of cash.
Sad thing is, Bay-Formers still grabbed more cash

[Anno_Domini]

If we know anything, the general audience during the summer will go all in for mindless entertainment.

How else would Spider-Man 3 have made more money than Spider-Man 2?

[Brain Damage]

Am I the only one for whom Spider-Man 2 has gotten slightly worse over the years?
When it first came out, it was undoubtedly the greatest superhero movie of the time, and when Batman Begins did, my fanboy mind wrestled for months trying to decide which one I liked better.

In the end, I did think BB was better than Spidey 2 but only slightly. Nowadays I think BB is much better than Spidey 2. I think the cheese factor of Raimi's movies might be bothering me more than it used to >_>

[Abudefduf]

I agree with you, Doc Ock's story is what saves the movie to me. Spider-man losing his powers subplot was good but could've been handled better.

I don't even mind most of the cheese (it's a Raimi movie after all); the biggest flaw of the trilogy will be always be Maguire as the main character imho. It's not his fault (I think he's a decent actor) but he's just not the Spider-man I wanted to see.

[El Payaso]

Sad thing is, Bay-Formers still grabbed more cash

Wait. So BO numbers have nothing to do with quality???

[Anno_Domini]

Am I the only one for whom Spider-Man 2 has gotten slightly worse over the years?
When it first came out, it was undoubtedly the greatest superhero movie of the time, and when Batman Begins did, my fanboy mind wrestled for months trying to decide which one I liked better.

In the end, I did think BB was better than Spidey 2 but only slightly. Nowadays I think BB is much better than Spidey 2. I think the cheese factor of Raimi's movies might be bothering me more than it used to >_>

Spider-Man has gotten worst through time, but Spider-Man 2 hasn't to me, imo. It's still amazing and the SFX still look marvelous; the direct opposite to Spider-Man.

[Chris Wallace]

So just for the hell of it, I added up all the WW totals of each Spider-Man film. And it comes out to...

$2,496,634,518

God damn, that is an assload of cash.

Sweet. And Spidey came out of the gate breaking records.

[Anno_Domini]

It was obvious since that was the first Spider-Man movie to ever been released in theatres and he's such an iconic superhero.

[BrollySupersj]

Sad thing is, Bay-Formers still grabbed more cash

Well, given the amount of CGI and explosions those movies had, it's not too surprising. Doesn't mean the Raimi Spider-Man movies are slouches. No matter how you looked at it, a billion dollars is a lot of money. Be it 1 billion, 2 billion, or 10 billion.

Once you make to a billion, you're big time by default.

[El Payaso]

Well, given the amount of CGI and explosions those movies had, it's not too surprising. Doesn't mean the Raimi Spider-Man movies are slouches. No matter how you looked at it, a billion dollars is a lot of money. Be it 1 billion, 2 billion, or 10 billion.

Once you make to a billion, you're big time by default.

That explains Avengers for me. Not comparing it to Bay-formers but the money they made/are making.

[Spider-Aziz]

Wait. So BO numbers have nothing to do with quality???
That's not an opinion I'd think of

[roach]

I want to like the new movie.
I really do.
I am not as much as a Raimi fan as I am a Spider-man fan
I want to like that there is quipping
I want to like that there are mechanical web shooters
but I can't
I realize its because of the supporters
not all of them but the ones who hated the Raimi films
How can you hate the Raimi series for making changes but be ok with the changes Webb made?
The hypocrisy of it all is really turning me off this movie.

[henzINNIT]

Quipping aside, TASM doesn't look that good. The colour palette bores me, everything looks drab and the special effects are numbing. Not saying they're bad, but CGI all looks the same to me now.

I'll probably see it as it won't cost me, but I expect to enjoy the couple of things it improves whilst mourning all of the good things we lost in rebooting the series. JK Simmons :(

[Troy_Parker]

I am not as much as a Raimi fan as I am a Spider-man fan
I want to like that there is quipping
I want to like that there are mechanical web shooters

The hypocrisy of it all is really turning me off this movie.

Urm... what exactly don't you like about a funny Spider-Man and something which shows off Peter's intelligent side?

The hypocrisy of it all is really turning me off this movie.

So bandwagon fans are turning you off from the movie?

That's weird. I wouldn't hate on something just because there's stupid people who like the same thing. It makes no sense.

[Anno_Domini]

I would hate something because of bandwagon fans because they can make something literally depressing, imo. So for that, I get what roach is saying. ALTHOUGH, you can chose not to listen to those bandwagon fans if you do really want to be excited for the reboot. Because you're letting them get to you, then it doesn't seem like you REALLY want to be excited for the reboot.

But then the hypocrisy goes either way. For someone to say the new reboot looks "boring" just seems like a fan of Raimi's trilogy who would just hate and bash on the reboot just because.

Hypocrites are on either side.

[Troy_Parker]

ALTHOUGH, you can chose not to listen to those bandwagon fans if you do really want to be excited for the reboot. Because you're letting them get to you, then it doesn't seem like you REALLY want to be excited for the reboot.

But then the hypocrisy goes either way. For someone to say the new reboot looks "boring" just seems like a fan of Raimi's trilogy who would just hate and bash on the reboot just because.

Hypocrites are on either side.

Agreed.

[roach]

I would hate something because of bandwagon fans because they can make something literally depressing, imo. So for that, I get what roach is saying. ALTHOUGH, you can chose not to listen to those bandwagon fans if you do really want to be excited for the reboot. Because you're letting them get to you, then it doesn't seem like you REALLY want to be excited for the reboot.

But then the hypocrisy goes either way. For someone to say the new reboot looks "boring" just seems like a fan of Raimi's trilogy who would just hate and bash on the reboot just because.

Hypocrites are on either side.

I agree there are hypocrites on both sides

but its when I try to go into the AMS threads I end up spending more time defending the Raimi series instead of discussing the new movie because someone mentions the prototype suit in AMS looks more home made than the wrestling suit or Raimi never showed the wall crawling or something even more stupid.

[Venom75]

See,I wonder what the reaction would've been like had Webb's series came out first and right now,we'd be awaiting Raimi's first Spider-man film?

[Anno_Domini]

People would probably be ecstatic for Raimi's film if Webb had a darker tone.

[Spider-Aziz]

Some would go to 'whatever'
And I think Raimi's movie would have been humongously different

[Chris Wallace]

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/coaltiger2614/spidey-4.jpg

[Spider-Aziz]

Cool cover

[UltimateWebhead]

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/coaltiger2614/spidey-4.jpg

Novelization >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The movie.

[A Necessary Evil]

At least the incomplete movie.

[Anno_Domini]

Well the complete movie would've been the novelization. I would say 95% of what's in the novelization was filmed....but then, well, you know what we got.

[A Necessary Evil]

Exactly. I mean I like it, but it's a shame sony never releases (cept 2.1) extended cuts for the spider-man movies. Yet, tripe like Ghost Rider & F4 got them.

[AnneFan]

I'm hoping there's a Spider-Man 3.1 with all deleted scenes reinstated, but I won't hold my breath.

By the way, I love Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker/Spider-Man. To me, he is Spider-Man.

[the amazing fro]

I would love to see a Spiderman 3.1. It won't solve some of the major problems (Sandman Retcon, Deus Ex Machina Amnesia/Butler etc) but hopefully it would flesh out some characters and subplots (mainly Eddie Brock's and Sandman's) which would perhaps change my opinion of the movie from "Mediocre" to "Good."

[roach]

I found this awesome interview with Tobey about Sm3...lot of information


http://www.contactmusic.com/pages/tobeymaguirex18x04x07

[Spider-Aziz]

By the way, I love Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker/Spider-Man. To me, he is Spider-Man.He was made a great Spider-Man, an ok Peter

[Anno_Domini]

I would love to see a Spiderman 3.1. It won't solve some of the major problems (Sandman Retcon, Deus Ex Machina Amnesia/Butler etc) but hopefully it would flesh out some characters and subplots (mainly Eddie Brock's and Sandman's) which would perhaps change my opinion of the movie from "Mediocre" to "Good."

Well Sam Raimi did film a lot of alternate scenes, such as the scene of Sandman/Venom in that alley that was on the film as well as the park scene where they first met that's stated in the novelization as well as Mary Jane being the one that spoke to Harry Osborn in the mansion and she was the one who tells him about Norman being Green Goblin. So that would erase the butler scene if Raimi used all the other scenes(and quite frankly, better scenes).

[GoldGoblin]

Raimi should of just made Harry into Venom.Then maybe Venom would of been cool.

[The Joker]

Raimi should of just made Harry into Venom.Then maybe Venom would of been cool.

You're joking right?

[Spidey_62]

You're joking right?
Hell, they made Harry Venom on Ultimate Spider-Man. :o

[Spider-Aziz]

Raimi should of just made Harry into Venom.Then maybe Venom would of been cool.
I miss the idea of turning John Jameson to Venom

[Anno_Domini]

You're joking right?

You gotta admit, even Harry turning into Venom would've been ten times better than the "New Goblin" Harry becomes in the third film. Plus, it would've erased the entire and pointless character of Eddie Brock.

[Chris Wallace]

Hell, they made Harry Venom on Ultimate Spider-Man. :o

One of NUMEROUS things that show's gotten wrong.

[AnneFan]

Well Sam Raimi did film a lot of alternate scenes

Yeah.

http://www.freewebs.com/spiderman3deleted/index.htm

[A Necessary Evil]

Raimi should of just made Harry into Venom.Then maybe Venom would of been cool.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2cdr5nmb21qkqcq4.gif

You gotta admit, even Harry turning into Venom would've been ten times better than the "New Goblin" Harry becomes in the third film. Plus, it would've erased the entire and pointless character of Eddie Brock.

It actually would have been ten times worse.

[webhead731]

Raimi should of just made Harry into Venom.Then maybe Venom would of been cool.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhv6rwj5Ol1qay81po1_500.gif

[The Joker]

You gotta admit, even Harry turning into Venom would've been ten times better than the "New Goblin" Harry becomes in the third film.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/Almostgotim.gif

[A Necessary Evil]

LOL

Great episode :up:

[roach]

so Batman, The Office and Batman's Rogues Gallery hate the idea

[webhead731]

Well, if even just Batman hates it...then it's officially stupid.

[A Necessary Evil]

Well, if even just Batman hates it...then it's officially stupid.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljytw3TYs61qcwjy8.jpg :up:

[webhead731]

http://i.imgur.com/F6cgi.gif

[roach]

Even the not-hulk doesn't like it

[webhead731]

YOU SHUT UP EDWARD IS ALWAYS GONNA BE HULK! :cmad:

[A Necessary Evil]

Edward Norton as Hulk?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3i93qTVyj1qdabnx.gif

[roach]

YOU SHUT UP EDWARD IS ALWAYS GONNA BE HULK! :cmad:

actually I like him better than the new guy

[webhead731]

Edward Norton as Hulk?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3i93qTVyj1qdabnx.gif


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3dcyjjqU61qfw2dno1_500.gif

[webhead731]

actually I like him better than the new guy

:up:

[Anno_Domini]

It actually would have been ten times worse.

Ehh, to each his own. I mean, if Raimi wanted to create retcons and new villains...why not make Harry Osborn Venom?

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/Almostgotim.gif

I threw a rock at him!

****ing classic.

YOU SHUT UP EDWARD IS ALWAYS GONNA BE HULK! :cmad:

This is one thing we can agree on, lol. Ruffalo was great and all, but I loved Edward Norton as Banner.

[A Necessary Evil]

Nope, Ruffalo is the best.

Norton is Norton playing Bixby, playing Hulk.

Not bad, but I like Ruffalo much more.

[webhead731]

I agree with Ruffalo being good. I warmed up to him.

I just think it would have been loads better with Norton simply for continuity. It felt like a completely new character, and nothing like the one in The Incredible Hulk.

[Anno_Domini]

The eyes didn't flicker green, the sizes were different...it was very different continuity-wise and not just of the different actors playing Bruce Banner.

And no, I didn't feel like Norton was just trying to "be" Bixby. I hate that comparison.

[webhead731]

I do think Norton reminded me of Bixby a little bit. Really a mix of both comics/Bixby.

[Anno_Domini]

Being reminded is one thing, as well as the origin itself feeling like the series, but to say Norton was just trying to "be" Bixby and not his own character...I just don't get that extremity.

[roach]

Being reminded is one thing, as well as the origin itself feeling like the series, but to say Norton was just trying to "be" Bixby and not his own character...I just don't get that extremity.

i agree with this. I don't see the trying to be Bixby thing at all and I used to watch the TV show religiously when I was a kid

[Spider-Aziz]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2cdr5nmb21qkqcq4.gif



It actually would have been ten times worse.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhv6rwj5Ol1qay81po1_500.gif

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc131/Jokerfan1980/Almostgotim.gifExcellent reactions

LOL

Great episodeTrue

so Batman, The Office and Batman's Rogues Gallery hate the ideaYes

Well, if even just Batman hates it...then it's officially stupid.Batman for president

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljytw3TYs61qcwjy8.jpg :up:Batman doesn't approve
But I like that movie anyway

http://i.imgur.com/F6cgi.gif:up:

EDWARD IS ALWAYS GONNA BE HULK! :cmad:He's far superior to Bana

Edward Norton as Hulk?No, he's Banner, and he did it better than Bana :o
And his Hulk looked like Hulk, and got stronger the angrier he became, more Hulk than getting bulkier

Thread is full of win :D

[*Whiplash*]

Man o' man, Simmons really nailed it as J. Jonah Jameson.

I watched Spider-Man a few days ago, forgot how witty and quick he is.

[AnneFan]

Man o' man, Simmons really nailed it as J. Jonah Jameson.

I watched Spider-Man a few days ago, forgot how witty and quick he is.
Indeed, he's awesome. Extremely hard to follow up.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

Man o' man, Simmons really nailed it as J. Jonah Jameson.

I watched Spider-Man a few days ago, forgot how witty and quick he is.
J. Jonah Jameson has always been one of my favorite characters. He's hilarious. Especially in the movies and TSSM.

[roach]

the minor characters were really spot on JJJ, Aunt May

[A Necessary Evil]

Yeah, I watched SM1 tonight, I realized how much it's gonna suck for the next guy that plays JJJ to have to live up to that. :up:

Still enjoyed it, as always. Now, onto SM2 :awesome:

[*Whiplash*]

He just reminds me of JJ in TAS. Brilliant.

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah, I watched SM1 tonight, I realized how much it's gonna suck for the next guy that plays JJJ to have to live up to that. :up:

Still enjoyed it, as always. Now, onto SM2 :awesome:

There IS no Jameson in the next one.

[Anno_Domini]

I don't think Severus_Snape is referring to The Amazing Spider-Man, but the next time JJJ does show up, which will likely be TAS-M 2.

[Venom75]

I know alot of people didn't care for how much exposure Peter Parker got over Spider-man in this series(esp. with part 2),but I liked that angle Raimi played with the series. Sam said before he even started filming that you have to care about the person behind the mask before you can care about the hero. I agree. That's one of the main reasons why I loved the series. It's also why I prefered this new Batman series over the old,and why I like Norton's Hulk over Bana's. Action is great,but the characters come first.

[AnneFan]

I don't think Severus_Snape is referring to The Amazing Spider-Man, but the next time JJJ does show up, which will likely be TAS-M 2.
I really hope he's in ASM2. He should be. He would've had a whole film of events to analyse (coming to the conclusion Spidey's a menace) by the time Peter meets him for the first time.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

I really hope he's in ASM2. He should be. He would've had a whole film of events to analyse (coming to the conclusion Spidey's a menace) by the time Peter meets him for the first time.
I'm sure he will be.

[The Joker]

Yeah, I watched SM1 tonight, I realized how much it's gonna suck for the next guy that plays JJJ to have to live up to that. :up:

Still enjoyed it, as always. Now, onto SM2 :awesome:

Simmons as Jonah is the Gary Oldman as Gordon of this franchise. Perfect casting and perfect depiction of an important supporting character.

I know alot of people didn't care for how much exposure Peter Parker got over Spider-man in this series(esp. with part 2),but I liked that angle Raimi played with the series. Sam said before he even started filming that you have to care about the person behind the mask before you can care about the hero. I agree. That's one of the main reasons why I loved the series. It's also why I prefered this new Batman series over the old,and why I like Norton's Hulk over Bana's. Action is great,but the characters come first.

I think the Peter Parker coverage in these movies is one of their strengths. It's easy to lose a character in the cool superhero persona and forget the humanity that is underneath the mask.

Nolan gives Bruce Wayne plenty of exploration, too. That is also a strength of his movies. There is two sides to the hero personality and both get covered nicely.

[Anno_Domini]

There was a lack of exploring Bruce Wayne in TDK, though. I'm not bashing the film or would I ever, lol, but you can definitely tell Nolan spent more time with Wayne the man behind the mask in Batman Begins.

[A Necessary Evil]

I don't think Severus_Snape is referring to The Amazing Spider-Man, but the next time JJJ does show up, which will likely be TAS-M 2.

Correct.


Simmons as Jonah is the Gary Oldman as Gordon of this franchise. Perfect casting and perfect depiction of an important supporting character.



I think the Peter Parker coverage in these movies is one of their strengths. It's easy to lose a character in the cool superhero persona and forget the humanity that is underneath the mask.

Nolan gives Bruce Wayne plenty of exploration, too. That is also a strength of his movies. There is two sides to the hero personality and both get covered nicely.

:up: to all of this.

Now to finish the series...and see if I still enjoy SM3.

which I probably will. :oldrazz:

[The Joker]

There was a lack of exploring Bruce Wayne in TDK, though. I'm not bashing the film or would I ever, lol, but you can definitely tell Nolan spent more time with Wayne the man behind the mask in Batman Begins.

In comparison to Batman Begins, definitely not as much Bruce Wayne time, but still plenty of it. But then Begins was an origin story, and the villains were used very, very sparingly.

I don't think any Batman movie has or ever will have as much Bruce Wayne face time as Begins had. Unless someone does the Year One approach again in the future.


:up: to all of this.

Now to finish the series...and see if I still enjoy SM3.

which I probably will. :oldrazz:

After all your vids defending it, you'd better :oldrazz:

[Venom75]

I'm watching part 3 right now. I can't believe some people hate the film. As a whole I can see why some don't like it,but there are alot of individual scenes and moments that are wonderful.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Funny that, I'm watching it too. I don't hate it, but it was definitely a step in the wrong direction.

[Venom75]

Funny that, I'm watching it too. I don't hate it, but it was definitely a step in the wrong direction.

Right now it's at the moment when Peter gets rid of the black suit and Venom is born. My favorite moment in the film and one of my all time favorite moments of the trilogy.

[Anno_Domini]

It's on ABC....you guys watching it on that channel?

The potential this movie has, but....god it sucks with all of its mistakes. I still loved hearing Elfman's/that other guy's music though.

Dumb ass Aunt May and her speech....was it necessary to bring up what happened to Ben? Stupid!

[Anno_Domini]

In comparison to Batman Begins, definitely not as much Bruce Wayne time, but still plenty of it. But then Begins was an origin story, and the villains were used very, very sparingly.

I don't think any Batman movie has or ever will have as much Bruce Wayne face time as Begins had. Unless someone does the Year One approach again in the future.

True, BB was an origin film and deserved the depth into Bruce Wayne, but even as a sequel, Peter Parker was a main focus in S-M 2 whereas Bruce really wasn't in The Dark Knight. It's just a little nitpick, but I understand what TDK was about which was about Joker, Dent and Batman. Batman as a whole character. Perhaps TDKR will get more into Bruce Wayne.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Sandman was awesome despite the unnecessary connection to Parker. This is Spider-Man''s Batman Forever.

[Anno_Domini]

This is Spider-Man's Batman Forever with its different tone and feeling from the other two, but also this is Spider-Man's Batman & Robin with its consistent corniness.

[Venom75]

It's on ABC....you guys watching it on that channel?

The potential this movie has, but....god it sucks with all of its mistakes. I still loved hearing Elfman's/that other guy's music though.

Dumb ass Aunt May and her speech....was it necessary to bring up what happened to Ben? Stupid!

Yep. ABC is what I'm watching.
I think what bothers me most about watching part 3(though I still like it)besides Venom being screwed over,is how lazy some of the characters and their motivations are. If Peter would've just told MJ about Harry,if MJ would've just told Peter about how she's feeling,why does Harry so easily forgive Peter at the end and why does Venom even need Sandman for help,and why would Marko so easily trust this evil version of Spider-man when he has no idea who he even is? etc,etc...
Alot of lazy writing it seems.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I hated MJ throughout this entire movie.

[Venom75]

I hated MJ throughout this entire movie.

Me too. Probably her least sympathetic performance of the series.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Famous Butler scene!

[Venom75]

One of my all time favorite lines! So simple,but yet it's the first meeting between Spidey and Venom..."Hey,Parker!" Love it. :sym:

Man,I wish Sandman wasn't in this. Just Venom and Spider-man fighting to the death.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

They should have made Venom's birth a cliffhanger, and have him as the only villain in SM4.

This scene is really badass, the entire final battle. I thought this movie have the best fights in the entire trilogy.

[Venom75]

True. Either save Venom for 4 or had just him and Harry as villains in part 3.
I like the final battle as well. I do feel that the scenes with the reporters and Raimi's kids really disrupted the flow of the battle,though. They shouldn't have been in there. I'd take out those moments and extend the fight.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I did like Venom in this movie. I just didn't like Grace as Brock and the whole 15 minute screentime thing.

[Venom75]

I loved the way he looked and moved in the film,no doubt. I know alot of people complained about his size,but I didn't mind that at all. But,being a huge Venom fanatic I was disappointed with how he never refered to himself as,"We," as well as how he wasn't more explained(like how he could block Spidey's spider-sense and how he knew all about Peter;etc) And,like you mentioned,I was angry at his lack of screentime and development.
I didn't mind Grace as Brock. I don't really blame him per say,I just think that character wasn't written that well.

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Agreed. I thought he looked awesome, I didn't mind the size either. But his personality was off, like with the "we" and "us" and stuff was off. Maybe Webb will do a better Venom?

I loved this trilogy, the ups and downs, I loved it. Hell, I still like SM3, but not as much as SM1 and 2. But I will welcome the new trilogy with opens arms. lol It's just a new era for Spider-Man.

[Venom75]

I feel the same. Flaws and all,I love the trilogy. Seeing the end of Spider-man 3 really makes me sad now,knowing that it would be the last time Raimi/Maguire would be involved. Plus,on a personal level,I was dating/hanging out with the love of my life from 2004-2008 and I remember seeing parts 2 and 3 with her at midnight showings. Sadly,we're not together anymore and she's married to someone else now. So,Raimi's series holds a special place in my heart for a number of reasons.
But,I do also look forward to the new film. And,I do hope Venom comes back again and is done alot better than he was in 3.

[A Necessary Evil]

I didn't get to watch SM3 tonight, but please oh god no....no venom.

Gobby/Ock, yeah. Hell, I wouldn't even mind a revised Mac Gargan (scorpion..no venom) or shocker. Jussaying, there's potential.

[Anno_Domini]

Famous Butler scene!

The butler told Harry and that's good and what not, but....should Harry have some convictions on his own thinking he should be firing the butler now? Why would he want a butler that'll keep such a powerful secret for years? What else could he be hiding? Lol.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I think I'm the only one out of my friends who liked Kirsten Dunst... and still do!

The slack she gets never ceases to amaze me. I'll miss her as much as Tobey.

[david icke]

I think I'm the only one out of my friends who liked Kirsten Dunst... and still do!

The slack she gets never ceases to amaze me. I'll miss her as much as Tobey.

A thought on a super-power I might have...

I remember I saw an interview with Dunst when SM1 first came out, where she was acting a bit full of it about her good looks, she made a joke about Tobey McGuire being out of her league in terms of looks, as in she was too good looking for him, it was a joke, but the way she said it, it sounded like she was being serious to me, so that pissed off a bit.

and after a few years of drinking etc, she started to lose her looks...

I read of this tv presenter, who was very good looking, saying that she was going out with a friend on the town to 'find some ugly men', y'know, taking the piss a bit out of the unfortunates in that department, and that pissed me off.

not long after that, she got that condition alopecia(sic?)and all of her hair fell out permanentely.

I am...ugly-man! you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us!

edit: seriously speaking though, I thought KD looked fine and acted well in the SM films, her character was just not likeable enough for a lot of fans, and she looked fine in recent pictures from the Lars Von Trier movie. And that tv presenter Gail Porter managed to grow her hair back a few years later iirc.
I just thought it was interesting that the universe had decided to give them some payback, if indeed they were the type to bask in their good looks, and laugh at the less fortunate in that department.

[El Payaso]

This is Spider-Man's Batman Forever

But without Jim Carrey.

but also this is Spider-Man's Batman & Robin with its consistent corniness.

I agree. I've always felt that the street dancing Peter scene is just as bad as the bat-credit card moment. But lasted longer.

The butler told Harry and that's good and what not, but....should Harry have some convictions on his own thinking he should be firing the butler now? Why would he want a butler that'll keep such a powerful secret for years? What else could he be hiding? Lol.

Harry should have fired him merely because of being the worst deus ex machina ever.

[Anno_Domini]

But without Jim Carrey.

I can say that Carrey was a magnificent Riddler in an awful movie. Although...Simmons and Franco were like Carrey in Spider-Man 3; the only decent actors in the film.

[AnneFan]

I agree. I've always felt that the street dancing Peter scene is just as bad as the bat-credit card moment. But lasted longer.
I honestly don't have a problem with the scene. As a goofy nerd who always sees hope for tomorrow, his dark side isn't going to be all that dark. Cocky, over-confident and a tad mean yes, but nothing too serious. Everything he did was essentially what Peter really wanted to do but without his natural inhibitions. He still had that goofy 'Peter Parker' vibe to him. It just shows how much of a good soul Peter Parker is at heart. A true hero. I think it plays. I do agree that the marketing played up the angle, though, that he'd be this big serious badass.

[Anno_Domini]

I honestly don't have a problem with the scene. As a goofy nerd who always sees hope for tomorrow, his dark side isn't going to be all that dark. Cocky, over-confident and a tad mean yes, but nothing too serious. Everything he did was essentially what Peter really wanted to do but without his natural inhibitions. He still had that goofy 'Peter Parker' vibe to him. It just shows how much of a good soul Peter Parker is at heart. A true hero. I think it plays. I do agree that the marketing played up the angle, though, that he'd be this big serious badass.

Spider-Man: TAS and TSSM say differently.

[AnneFan]

At the end of the day, I get a laugh out of the scene and in a good way.

[roach]

did we dig up old arguments?

[AnneFan]

The butler told Harry and that's good and what not, but....should Harry have some convictions on his own thinking he should be firing the butler now? Why would he want a butler that'll keep such a powerful secret for years? What else could he be hiding? Lol.
On this point, I suspect Alfred will reveal to Bruce his secret about Rachel's letter in TDKR, helping Bruce get over the trauma he's probably been going through over the years. I suppose Bruce could wonder what else Alfred has hiding as well.

[C. Lee]

I love the Raimi movies.......there are parts of them all I don't think highly of or dislike or in one case absolutely hate....but over all I still love them.

[A Necessary Evil]

So, I finished SM3 tonight on my trilogy rewatch...and it's still a good movie series. I do admit, there are some serious :dry: moments...but it's not bad at all. A 3.1 would have been nice to see for once ( :o ) but, c'est la vie.

[Anno_Domini]

On this point, I suspect Alfred will reveal to Bruce his secret about Rachel's letter in TDKR, helping Bruce get over the trauma he's probably been going through over the years. I suppose Bruce could wonder what else Alfred has hiding as well.

That is a HUGE difference, mind you. Bruce didn't go around trying to break couples up or kill people.

[AnneFan]

That is a HUGE difference, mind you. Bruce didn't go around trying to break couples up or kill people.
That is true. Bruce seems to be beating himself up more. Though they are both secrets that hide a truth the person doesn’t want to know or accept. Just thought I'd bring it up.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I remember really liking Spider-man 3 on it midnight screening...

Obviously repeat viewing has held the movie up to more intense scrutiny and its flaws are very apparent but thats only to be expected.

Raimi still holds the title of best superhero trilogy. For now...

[*Whiplash*]

I watched SM3 last night.

I've watched it a few times now and it really does baffle.

Not so much the first half of the movie, but the second half is pretty damn terrible.

[Spider-Aziz]

Raimi still holds the title of best superhero trilogy. For now...Are there those who think the X-Men trilogy owns it?

[roach]

I dislike X3 more than SM3

[A Necessary Evil]

I don't think I've met someone who likes X3.

Most whom I've asked about SM3 either say it ranges from bad, to mediocre, to good.

So, probably not.

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

I don't think I've met someone who likes X3.

Most whom I've asked about SM3 either say it ranges from bad, to mediocre, to good.

So, probably not.
I thought X3 was pretty good. Then again, I have not read the comics nor am I familiar with the X-Men outside of X 1-3 and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, so I really don't know why people didn't like X3.

[The Joker]

I watched SM3 last night.

I've watched it a few times now and it really does baffle.

Not so much the first half of the movie, but the second half is pretty damn terrible.

I knew from the first 20 minutes that this movie was in trouble when they have Sandman's creation, Harry's creation and first attack as the Goblin, Peter planning to propose to MJ, and the arrival of the symbiote all happening.

I knew then that this movie had bit off more than it could chew.

[Anno_Domini]

At the end of the day, I get a laugh out of the scene and in a good way.

When it shouldn't make you laugh at all, lol.

That is true. Bruce seems to be beating himself up more. Though they are both secrets that hide a truth the person doesn’t want to know or accept. Just thought I'd bring it up.

Yah, you can bring it up as it can be compared. Both butlers; both keeping secrets. But....there is a difference because Bruce isn't taking any false-hope anger out on others while Harry was.

Raimi still holds the title of best superhero trilogy. For now...

And that won't be very hard to top for Nolan's sake, haha.

Are there those who think the X-Men trilogy owns it?

I hate both X3 and Spider-Man 3, but everything ruined X3. The time length of the film, bringing in too many mutants, killing off Cyclops that deserved more, giving us a cliffhanger with Charles Xavier that will most likely never come to fruition.

At least with Spider-Man 3, there are slivers of hope with that movie.

I knew from the first 20 minutes that this movie was in trouble when they have Sandman's creation, Harry's creation and first attack as the Goblin, Peter planning to propose to MJ, and the arrival of the symbiote all happening.

I knew then that this movie had bit off more than it could chew.

I was watching it on ABC on Saturday and I realized that they put so much under the half-hour mark that already spelled the destruction of the film itself. It was funny though as this was the first time in years that I watched the movie but I knew everything still that ruined the movie.

[AnneFan]

When it shouldn't make you laugh at all, lol.
I completely disagree. It's cleary meant to be a funny scene. Girls giving him dirty looks, him completely oblivious to his behaviour with "Get Up and Drive Your Funky Soul" grooving in the background. It's not meant to be a serious scene. The stuff at the Bugle is the same. "Double the money" and kicking his feet up on the table.

[Anno_Domini]

I meant the symbiote isn't supposed to bring comic relief. I'm sure the scenes are meant to be funny, but the element of the symbiote shouldn't be for comic relief and that's what Sam Raimi never understood about the symbiote. Other forms have taken it serious.

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't think I've met someone who likes X3.

Most whom I've asked about SM3 either say it ranges from bad, to mediocre, to good.

So, probably not.
I like X3, minus the climax battle killing many, minus Dark Phoenix, minus killing Cyclops who was just a guest star in the movies, and he's one of my favorite X-Men

Xavier is quite an ass, I won't miss him

[El Payaso]

I can say that Carrey was a magnificent Riddler in an awful movie. Although...Simmons and Franco were like Carrey in Spider-Man 3; the only decent actors in the film.

Only that Simmons and some of the Franco scenes too were horribly written. Not that Carrey's scenes were golden writing but at least he was giving his best. Simmons's scenes with the intercom (why is it so loud???) and the little girl were awfulness Simmons's comedic skill were not able to save.



I honestly don't have a problem with the scene. As a goofy nerd who always sees hope for tomorrow, his dark side isn't going to be all that dark. Cocky, over-confident and a tad mean yes, but nothing too serious. Everything he did was essentially what Peter really wanted to do but without his natural inhibitions. He still had that goofy 'Peter Parker' vibe to him. It just shows how much of a good soul Peter Parker is at heart. A true hero. I think it plays. I do agree that the marketing played up the angle, though, that he'd be this big serious badass.

Yeah, Raimi first turned Peter Parker into a complete and absolute dork and then made his dark side even worse.

At the end of the day, I get a laugh out of the scene and in a good way.

Those scenes, one superhero movie after another, just make me think laugh doesn't justify everything on a screen.

On this point, I suspect Alfred will reveal to Bruce his secret about Rachel's letter in TDKR, helping Bruce get over the trauma he's probably been going through over the years. I suppose Bruce could wonder what else Alfred has hiding as well.

As someone else said, this is a complete different situation (Bruce is not a killer whose Butler allowed to kill because, god knows why, he wouldn't tell him the truth). Also, Nolan made us part of it. We know Alfred is hiding a secret. When Alfred tells Bruce the truth it won't be coming out of the clear blue sky.



I don't think I've met someone who likes X3.

Hello, my name is El Payaso.



I completely disagree. It's cleary meant to be a funny scene. Girls giving him dirty looks, him completely oblivious to his behaviour with "Get Up and Drive Your Funky Soul" grooving in the background. It's not meant to be a serious scene. The stuff at the Bugle is the same. "Double the money" and kicking his feet up on the table.

What's meant to be funny, what is funny and what should be funny. Three absolutely different things.



I meant the symbiote isn't supposed to bring comic relief. I'm sure the scenes are meant to be funny, but the element of the symbiote shouldn't be for comic relief and that's what Sam Raimi never understood about the symbiote. Other forms have taken it serious.

What this guy said. Many directors of this kind of movies, if not all, feel totally forced to not shoot four minutes of movie in a row without rely on humour, no matter if it fits the story, the characters or even if it's funny. Raimi was the epitome of this narrative desease.

[Spider-Aziz]

Hello, my name is El Payaso.:highfive:

[A Necessary Evil]

There's three people. :oldrazz:

[Spider-Aziz]

Yes
I will watch it sometime later to get full grasp of its faults and things it did right

[Chris Wallace]

Are there those who think the X-Men trilogy owns it?
No-they're already giving the title to Batman.

[Anno_Domini]

Xavier is quite an ass, I won't miss him

It's fine if you won't miss him, although he does survive as seen in that after-credits scene, but may I ask....why is Xavier an ass? If anything, he's way more of an ass in First Class than in the trilogy.

Only that Simmons and some of the Franco scenes too were horribly written. Not that Carrey's scenes were golden writing but at least he was giving his best. Simmons's scenes with the intercom (why is it so loud???) and the little girl were awfulness Simmons's comedic skill were not able to save.

What this guy said. Many directors of this kind of movies, if not all, feel totally forced to not shoot four minutes of movie in a row without rely on humour, no matter if it fits the story, the characters or even if it's funny. Raimi was the epitome of this narrative desease.

When it's straight-laced humor such as that intercom moment and during the finale battle, which, I have to admit, was funny alone because of J.K. Simmons, it's fine, but we agree that Sam Raimi did not understand the point of the symbiote and with the entire time of him saying he got used to the symbiote and Venom and understood that element was just a bogus lie. Instead, we only got pictures of what the symbiote should have done to Peter and that one mindless battle against Sandman. We mostly got the symbiote turning Peter into more of a dork and that fight between Peter and Harry was ruined by idiotic dialogue between the two which the symbiote's "persuasion" of Peter didn't help.

No-they're already giving the title to Batman.

Indeed :up: :up: :up:

[roach]

Hey gang I realize we all love the Raimi series but can we stop going into the AMS threads and bringing up the Raimi series???

[Venom75]

I meant the symbiote isn't supposed to bring comic relief. I'm sure the scenes are meant to be funny, but the element of the symbiote shouldn't be for comic relief and that's what Sam Raimi never understood about the symbiote. Other forms have taken it serious.

I agree. The symbiote,and what it does to Peter,should scare him...and the people watching the film. The symbiote should not be played for laughs.

[UltimateWebhead]

Hey gang I realize we all love the Raimi series but can we stop going into the AMS threads and bringing up the Raimi series???

It's only natural to make comparisons. I'm not sure you can avoid that nor stop it from happening.

[The Joker]

Yeah, Nolan and Burton get compared a lot, too. It is inevitable.

[Anno_Domini]

Yeah, Nolan and Burton get compared a lot, too. It is inevitable.

Something that can't be compared between the two is this: Nolan/Bale will be the first duo to come back after a Batman sequel for a third installment. And what's funny is I rarely see someone mention this....it's a big deal if you ask me.

[henzINNIT]

I agree. The symbiote,and what it does to Peter,should scare him...and the people watching the film. The symbiote should not be played for laughs.

It did scare him eventually, but it also had to make him feel good to explain why he is drawn to it. I didn't mind the humour, the suit made him eccentric and arogant, and eventually aggressive.

[Anno_Domini]

It did scare him eventually, but it also had to make him feel good to explain why he is drawn to it. I didn't mind the humour, the suit made him eccentric and arogant, and eventually aggressive.

So it had to make Peter more of a dork to make the guy feel good with the symbiote? The symbiote made Peter feel good with taking out his frustration as seen with his fight against Sandman and getting what he wants during that jazz scene with not caring about Gwen and using her and getting that table by paying off that waitress which the normal Peter could not do. Having his dance in the street does nothing to make Peter "feel good" about the symbiote except for a humorless/facepalm scene. And....being eccentric and arrogant are two different things than what Peter did. Schmidt would be eccentric and arrogant and would he walk around dancing and grinding into the wind?

A lot of people try to defend that route with the symbiote when it can't be defended at all.

[Troy_Parker]

I said this before, the symbiote-influence Peter scenes would have been better if they were ordered a little differently. Have the cheesy and goofy stuff (like the dancing in the street) FIRST, THEN have the serious stuff (like throwing a bomb at Harry's face) to show how gradually the symbiote made Peter worse and worse.

[A Necessary Evil]

Not to mention they still cut out some really good stuff - they didn't even need to microedit "I'm really gonna enjoy this" out!

[henzINNIT]

So it had to make Peter more of a dork to make the guy feel good with the symbiote? The symbiote made Peter feel good with taking out his frustration as seen with his fight against Sandman and getting what he wants during that jazz scene with not caring about Gwen and using her and getting that table by paying off that waitress which the normal Peter could not do. Having his dance in the street does nothing to make Peter "feel good" about the symbiote except for a humorless/facepalm scene. And....being eccentric and arrogant are two different things than what Peter did. Schmidt would be eccentric and arrogant and would he walk around dancing and grinding into the wind?

A lot of people try to defend that route with the symbiote when it can't be defended at all.

Can't be defended at all? Guess this conversation is over then. Cheers for the heads up.


I said this before, the symbiote-influence Peter scenes would have been better if they were ordered a little differently. Have the cheesy and goofy stuff (like the dancing in the street) FIRST, THEN have the serious stuff (like throwing a bomb at Harry's face) to show how gradually the symbiote made Peter worse and worse.

I agree to an extent, but as it is I think the progression works okay. Beating the crap out of Harry was pretty dark, but it satisfied Peter to the point that he could enjoy himself under the influence of the suit. He continued to swag around in his particularly geeky way until he's faced with the recklessness of his actions directly, which was seeing the love of his life look at him in horror.

[A Necessary Evil]

People disrespecting other's opinions? One sided arguments?

Welcome...to superherohype!

*cue jurassic park theme*

[Anno_Domini]

I said this before, the symbiote-influence Peter scenes would have been better if they were ordered a little differently. Have the cheesy and goofy stuff (like the dancing in the street) FIRST, THEN have the serious stuff (like throwing a bomb at Harry's face) to show how gradually the symbiote made Peter worse and worse.

I agree with this. What we got was sporadic menacing dark side evil and dork-ish tendencies. I mean, I still wouldn't be fine with those dork-ish tendencies, but at least there would be some sense as to why Raimi added that in if we only got that evil side from the symbiote at the very last part to show what the symbiote was turning Peter into which would've been the inevitable monster that Eddie became.

Can't be defended at all? Guess this conversation is over then. Cheers for the heads up.

You know exactly what I mean. People defend what Raimi tried to do with the symbiote by just making it laughable with Peter humping the air and it was just foolish. Would Raimi ever try to make Doc Ock laughable? No, he wouldn't...because he cared about that villain.

[El Payaso]

Batman is a billionaire, it makes sense he had a bat-credit card.

[Anno_Domini]

Well...maybe they looked into the future of Batman, Inc. and thought Batman created his own corporation, thus, being rich enough to have a credit card.

Damn...shows us that Schumacher was a genius...

[Spider-Aziz]

I said this before, the symbiote-influence Peter scenes would have been better if they were ordered a little differently. Have the cheesy and goofy stuff (like the dancing in the street) FIRST, THEN have the serious stuff (like throwing a bomb at Harry's face) to show how gradually the symbiote made Peter worse and worse.
With this arrangement they need to change the script drastically

[Troy_Parker]

Not really. It's only rearranging a few scenes and whatnot. It's not as though you're drastically altering the plot itself. It's a more effective way of showing the symbiote's effect on Peter, imo.

[henzINNIT]

You know exactly what I mean. People defend what Raimi tried to do with the symbiote by just making it laughable with Peter humping the air and it was just foolish. Would Raimi ever try to make Doc Ock laughable? No, he wouldn't...because he cared about that villain.

Your reservations about the humour aren't as objective as you think. You might not like it, but his decent into arogance is consistant with the tone of the series and the portrayal of the character.

The seriousness of his reckless activity was adequately portrayed to me. Sad day for you if you don't feel the same.

[Anno_Domini]

With this arrangement they need to change the script drastically

It's okay...the script already needs to be changed drastically.

Your reservations about the humour aren't as objective as you think. You might not like it, but his decent into arogance is consistant with the tone of the series and the portrayal of the character.

The seriousness of his reckless activity was adequately portrayed to me. Sad day for you if you don't feel the same.

No, not really a sad day for me at all...as I've said, there are better portrayals of the symbiote that suits my fancy such as TAS and TSSM that I can take a gander at that makes me relieved some people actually get the symbiote :up:

And it all might have been portrayed correctly towards you, but when I see Spidey almost kill Sandman, I did not need to see him look at his reflection and fix his hair nor did I need to see him dancing in the street after humiliating Eddie Brock.

But, to each his own of course. We can argue for days but it's clearly that we have wide opinions over this.

[Web face]

Your reservations about the humour aren't as objective as you think. You might not like it, but his decent into arogance is consistant with the tone of the series and the portrayal of the character.

The seriousness of his reckless activity was adequately portrayed to me. Sad day for you if you don't feel the same.
I have to say I don't feel the same. I mean, I think it could have been taken more seriously and less of a joke. You don't really need Peter to hump the air or shoot finger guns at girls on the street to show that he is feeling good with the black suit on.

[henzINNIT]

I have to say I don't feel the same. I mean, I think it could have been taken more seriously and less of a joke. You don't really need Peter to hump the air or shoot finger guns at girls on the street to show that he is feeling good with the black suit on.

That's fair enough.


No, not really a sad day for me at all...as I've said, there are better portrayals of the symbiote that suits my fancy such as TAS and TSSM that I can take a gander at that makes me relieved some people actually get the symbiote :up:


And it all might have been portrayed correctly towards you, but when I see Spidey almost kill Sandman, I did not need to see him look at his reflection and fix his hair nor did I need to see him dancing in the street after humiliating Eddie Brock.


But, to each his own of course. We can argue for days but it's clearly that we have wide opinions over this.


Well it must sting somewhat to still be complaining, 5 years later in a Raimi appreciation thread.


I understand the frustration associated with a character or story not being adapted as you'd like, but I don't feel the same. As you said, to each his own.

[Anno_Domini]

I do give my praise to Spider-Man 2(even with minor nitpicks I have with that film) and my mediocre liking to Spider-Man 1, but I still feel like I have the right to still call out my displeasure of Spider-Man 3 whenever it's mentioned. It's as if I were to NOT say how I love Spider-Man 2 so much in a thread; the same goes for how I feel like I should be open to my feelings of Spider-Man 3 even if five years later. Would I call it that it "must sting"? No, not at all.

[A Necessary Evil]

Your reservations about the humour aren't as objective as you think. You might not like it, but his decent into arogance is consistant with the tone of the series and the portrayal of the character.

The seriousness of his reckless activity was adequately portrayed to me. Sad day for you if you don't feel the same.

:up:

[El Payaso]

Your reservations about the humour aren't as objective as you think. You might not like it, but his decent into arogance is consistant with the tone of the series and the portrayal of the character.

It's also quite cringeworthy, no matter how consistent it was. Just as the bat-credit card was consistent and yet pure crap.

[A Necessary Evil]

It's nowhere near as bad as the bat credit card. I can think of 10 worse things than the Parker shuffle.

[El Payaso]

It's nowhere near as bad as the bat credit card.

As I said, bat-crediot card was much shorter so dancing Peter could have been easily worse.

Now, the thing here is the reasoning behind it: apparently Peter dancing made sense and therefore it's good. So when you find a sense in the Bat-credit card, you get that the scene was good too.

I can think of 10 worse things than the Parker shuffle.

Name them.

[The Morningstar]

You know what they should have done? Have a montage of Spidey stopping petty crimes, catching purse snatchers and what not with the black suit. Actually SHOW him being more aggressive and violent. Maybe show him beating the living crap out of a purse snatcher, to the extent where even the victim who Spidey is supposed to be helping becomes afraid of him.

Not this dancing around, swinging his hips, doing "finger guns" at chicks. Jesus that was so lame.

And the part where he stopped in front of that window and brushed his hair forward into an "emo fringe" what the **** was that?

*brushes hair forward into emo fringe*

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN! OH NOEZ!

[The Joker]

As I said, bat-crediot card was much shorter so dancing Peter could have been easily worse.

I agree. The Bat credit card lasted about 5 seconds. The dancing seemed to last an eternity!

[Spider-Aziz]

I agree. The Bat credit card lasted about 5 seconds. The dancing seemed to last an eternity!
Bat Credit Card memes are forever

[A Necessary Evil]

Name them.

Without naming the obvious (B&R)

1. Killing off cyclops in 25 seconds in X3
2. The Park Scene in Daredevil
3. The Ninja-Laundry in Batman Forever
4. All of Wolverine Origins (Save for Hugh's Performance)
5. "I'm the juggernaut, *****!"
6. Ghost Rider
7. Ghost Rider 2
8. Reed Richards Dancing
9. The Sex Scene in DD
10. TLJ Performance as Two-Face

[webhead731]

Without naming the obvious (B&R)

1. Killing off cyclops in 25 seconds in X3
2. The Park Scene in Daredevil
3. The Ninja-Laundry in Batman Forever
4. All of Wolverine Origins (Save for Hugh's Performance)
5. "I'm the juggernaut, *****!"
6. Ghost Rider
7. Ghost Rider 2
8. Reed Richards Dancing
9. The Sex Scene in DD
10. TLJ Performance as Two-Face

Lots of ownage going on here.

[Anno_Domini]

It's nowhere near as bad as the bat credit card. I can think of 10 worse things than the Parker shuffle.

It has a name now!!!!

:woot:

As I said, bat-crediot card was much shorter so dancing Peter could have been easily worse.

Now, the thing here is the reasoning behind it: apparently Peter dancing made sense and therefore it's good. So when you find a sense in the Bat-credit card, you get that the scene was good too.

:up:

You know what they should have done? Have a montage of Spidey stopping petty crimes, catching purse snatchers and what not with the black suit. Actually SHOW him being more aggressive and violent. Maybe show him beating the living crap out of a purse snatcher, to the extent where even the victim who Spidey is supposed to be helping becomes afraid of him.

Not this dancing around, swinging his hips, doing "finger guns" at chicks. Jesus that was so lame.

And the part where he stopped in front of that window and brushed his hair forward into an "emo fringe" what the **** was that?

*brushes hair forward into emo fringe*

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN! OH NOEZ!

:up:

I agree. The Bat credit card lasted about 5 seconds. The dancing seemed to last an eternity!

:up:

Without naming the obvious (B&R)

1. Killing off cyclops in 25 seconds in X3
2. The Park Scene in Daredevil
3. The Ninja-Laundry in Batman Forever
4. All of Wolverine Origins (Save for Hugh's Performance)
5. "I'm the juggernaut, *****!"
6. Ghost Rider
7. Ghost Rider 2
8. Reed Richards Dancing
9. The Sex Scene in DD
10. TLJ Performance as Two-Face

The first one is being a bit overdramatic...I mean, twenty-five seconds would be brutal, so glad it's not accurate.

And listing whole movies instead of moments? Isn't that missing the whole point? Heck, if we're listing whole movies, Spider-Man 3 should definitely be there as its biggest moment was how much of a disappointment it was. And then you need to put in both Fantastic Four films, then Elektra, then Punisher: War Zone....yadda, yadda, yadda.

[A Necessary Evil]

Fine, I'll remove the movies as a whole to moments :

1. Killing off cyclops in mere moments in X3
2. The Park Scene in Daredevil
3. The Ninja-Laundry in Batman Forever
4. BarakaPool
5. "I'm the juggernaut, *****!"
6. Ghost Rider - Nic Cage's Acting, Jelly beans, killing the devil in a short amount of time
7. Ghost Rider 2 - Pissing fire, one of his transformations into the rider
8. Reed Richards Dancing
9. The Sex Scene in DD
10. TLJ Performance as Two-Face

And I copyright the Parker Shuffle :o :oldrazz:

[Anno_Domini]

I don't fully agree with that list, but I'm glad you changed it to just moments, lol.

And yah, this is the first time I heard it being called the Parker Shuffle. Congrats on that one, haha.

[C. Lee]

It's all funny to me....part of the plot is about how our sweet kind nice Petey is turned into an obnoxious creep without his knowledge or will by an alien taking over his mind.....and people are complaining about Peter acting like an obnoxious creep because Peter wouldn't act that way.

What part of alien taking over his mind do people not get?

[Anno_Domini]

So your reasoning is that an alien would want to force some guy to be a creep towards women?

What's more accurate is that Peter would rather stalk and try to abuse Mary Jane with the symbiote focusing on aggression.

[A Necessary Evil]

I don't fully agree with that list, but I'm glad you changed it to just moments, lol.

And yah, this is the first time I heard it being called the Parker Shuffle. Congrats on that one, haha.

No problem, and thank ya! :D


It's all funny to me....part of the plot is about how our sweet kind nice Petey is turned into an obnoxious creep without his knowledge or will by an alien taking over his mind.....and people are complaining about Peter acting like an obnoxious creep because Peter wouldn't act that way.

What part of alien taking over his mind do people not get?

:up:

[C. Lee]

So your reasoning is that an alien would want to force some guy to be a creep towards women?

What's more accurate is that Peter would rather stalk and try to abuse Mary Jane with the symbiote focusing on aggression.

The alien....was effecting his mind....it didn't jump into it and said "Dance like a goof!".....it was slowly changing his mind so that he was not acting like the normal Peter Parker we or the people in the movie knew. He was losing his previous identity....he was changing....he was becoming brash, rude, crude, obnoxious, violent...it was not an instantanious Dr.Jeckyl Mr. Hyde immediate change...it was a slow changeover from the nice guy we knew into an insufferable jerk....the kind of guy who thinks he is irressistable to women...the kind of guy who thinks he is actually cool shooting finger guns at women....in other words...he was NOT the Peter Parker that everyone knew from before....in other other words....the director of the movie was showing the audience that an alien presence was taking over his body and changing him into a jerk.....which means that if everyone thinks he was acting like a jerk, the director succeeded in what he was meaning to do.

[henzINNIT]

You know what they should have done? Have a montage of Spidey stopping petty crimes, catching purse snatchers and what not with the black suit. Actually SHOW him being more aggressive and violent. Maybe show him beating the living crap out of a purse snatcher, to the extent where even the victim who Spidey is supposed to be helping becomes afraid of him.



Would have been too similar to Daredevil to me. He didn't need to be so violent either. The impact of seeing Mary-Jane's horror would have been diminished severely if it was a few short scenes after scaring other people with his actions.

More Spidey activity would have been fun for sure though. It's always a little disappointing in the Raimi films when you see Parker's photos of Spider-Man in action but rarely the events themselves.

[The Morningstar]

It's all funny to me....part of the plot is about how our sweet kind nice Petey is turned into an obnoxious creep without his knowledge or will by an alien taking over his mind.....and people are complaining about Peter acting like an obnoxious creep because Peter wouldn't act that way.

What part of alien taking over his mind do people not get?

The point is it could have been done in a better way that him dancing around with an emo fringe.

Instead of that stupid dancing montage, why not a montage showing him acting more aggressive and violent towards criminals?

It gets the same message across; that the symbiote is effecting his behaviour and personality, but in a less cheesy way.

I didn't think it made him look like a jerk, it made him look like a doofus.

[henzINNIT]

It's all funny to me....part of the plot is about how our sweet kind nice Petey is turned into an obnoxious creep without his knowledge or will by an alien taking over his mind.....and people are complaining about Peter acting like an obnoxious creep because Peter wouldn't act that way.

What part of alien taking over his mind do people not get?


The alien....was effecting his mind....it didn't jump into it and said "Dance like a goof!".....it was slowly changing his mind so that he was not acting like the normal Peter Parker we or the people in the movie knew. He was losing his previous identity....he was changing....he was becoming brash, rude, crude, obnoxious, violent...it was not an instantanious Dr.Jeckyl Mr. Hyde immediate change...it was a slow changeover from the nice guy we knew into an insufferable jerk....the kind of guy who thinks he is irressistable to women...the kind of guy who thinks he is actually cool shooting finger guns at women....in other words...he was NOT the Peter Parker that everyone knew from before....in other other words....the director of the movie was showing the audience that an alien presence was taking over his body and changing him into a jerk.....which means that if everyone thinks he was acting like a jerk, the director succeeded in what he was meaning to do.

A 1-2 punch of pure win. Hats off to you sir.

[C. Lee]

I didn't think it made him look like a jerk, it made him look like a doofus.

The point being....Peter is awkward, but not a doofus....Peter under influence of alien is an awkward doofus.

[Spider-Aziz]

Punisher War Zone is a fun movie
Without naming the obvious (B&R)

1. Killing off cyclops in 25 seconds in X3
2. The Park Scene in Daredevil
3. The Ninja-Laundry in Batman Forever
4. All of Wolverine Origins (Save for Hugh's Performance)
5. "I'm the juggernaut, *****!"
6. Ghost Rider
7. Ghost Rider 2
8. Reed Richards Dancing
9. The Sex Scene in DD
10. TLJ Performance as Two-Face
*Stuff I like, I disagree with your disliking to them
*They could be worse
*I agree