The Avengers Post Screening Review & Discussion Thread (SPOILER FILLED) - Part 4

[SpiderMarvelite]

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[balder]

I will say this; Loki in "Thor" was the kind of villain/character that MADE ME UNDERSTAND as to why he was like that; However, there's always a big difference imho between understanding why a person does what they do versus with AGREEING on their actions.

Despite me understanding the motivations behind his actions, i didn't agree with them. And considering that it was revealed that he was the one that allowed the Frost Giants into Asgard to ruin Thor's ceremony, something that happened BEFORE him ever learning of his true heritage, that alone costed the lives of two Asgardian Soldiers, so Loki already had innocent "blood" on his hands.

Despite the hardships and isolation that Loki had faced, he was responsible for making the decisions that he did, and it was his decision like Tom has stated in his interviews, to literally and metaphorically let go of his connection to Asgard and his family when he allowed himself to be consumed by that black hole.
Thor and Loki. Can I just go on forever about these two? I’ve got a lot of feelings, mostly for Loki. Loki is one of the most amazing, sympathetic villains I’ve ever seen, and I absolutely love the direction they took his character in the movie. Hiddles. God, you nailed it, son.
But let’s get into this. We start off the movie with Thor’s coronation. The deleted scenes I think really should have been included in the main body of the movie. They really help to expand on the characters. Before his coronation, we see Thor showing a moment of doubt, or at the very least nervousness. He’s worried about how he will be perceived in his succession of Odin. Thor is this extremely arrogant and confident man, so for him to show this moment is a big deal. And it’s Loki who is there to reassure him. Loki has this reputation as a liar, but he is so sincere with Thor here. He says flat out that there are times that he’s jealous, but Thor should never, ever doubt Loki’s love. I think this entire plot of Loki’s started because of that, because of his love for his brother.
Loki’s love for Thor is why he brought the Frost Giants in to stop the coronation. He’s not doing it because he’s jealous and because he wants the crown. He’s doing it because he knows that Thor isn’t ready yet. He knows, better even than their father, that Thor is still too raw and arrogant. He’s too easy to anger and too prone to rash judgments. And Thor proves that immediately. Odin tells him to let the Frost Giant thing go, and Thor’s immediate reaction is to overturn a table and directly disobey his father’s stern orders by leading his friends into Jotunheim.
Loki knows what he’s doing when he agrees with Thor about the Frost Giants. He knows that Thor is going to get the idea to go off and do something rash, but Loki never, absolutely never, intended for Odin to react the way he did and banish Thor. Because all this does is leave Loki without a single friend in all of Asgard.
It’s absolutely heartbreaking to watch the scene after Thor’s banishment. Sif, who is unflinchingly loyal to Thor, wants Loki to go to Odin and get the sentence reversed. And I look at this and think, “What do you expect him to do?” Odin blindly banishes Thor without thought to what Frigga is going to think. He growls at Loki rather than give Loki a chance to plead Thor’s case. Loki can’t do anything here. He can go and talk to Odin all that anyone likes, but Odin thinks that his judgment is best, and he’s not going to flinch.
The biggest reason this scene breaks my heart so much is the way that Loki’s so-called friends behave towards him. The problem with Sif’s great loyalty to Thor is that she equally distrusts Loki. When Loki leaves the room, she is immediately accusing him of being jealous of Thor to the point that he’s glad to see his brother gone. Volstagg pipes up to say that they ought to be grateful to Loki for saving their lives by having Heimdall go to Odin. But he says it with reluctance. Then Hogun reminds everyone that Laufey accused the House of Odin of having traitors. And, excuse me, what the hell? Granted, yes, Loki does end up being the one who let the Frost Giants in, but at this point, there is no evidence of that. The Asgardians and the Frost Giants are enemies. They are raised hating each other. Why in the world would you ever believe the king of a species your people hate so greatly when he tries to slander the house of your king? Fandral, thankfully, at least says that, yeah, Loki likes to play jokes, but this is some serious **** you’re accusing him of.
I mean, Jesus. Loki is a prince of Asgard. No one other than Odin and Frigga know that he’s adopted. We get the sense in the movie that Thor, Loki, Sif and the Warriors Three are old friends, probably from childhood. So they’ve been raised with Loki, known him forever, played and fought alongside him, and their immediate reaction is to accuse him of treason and conspiring to usurp the throne? Based on what evidence? He likes to play tricks, so that makes him the prime candidate for all evil doings?
This is so telling of what it was like for Loki growing up. He’s not like the other Asgardians. His strengths aren’t brute force. He’s good with magic. He’s cunning. He thinks and plans and stays more to the shadows. But because Thor, loud, strong, arrogant, brutish Thor, is the epitome of what an Asgardian warrior should be, Loki is even more shunned. As if he isn’t different enough on his own. But then you put him next to his golden brother. He doesn’t stand a chance. And the favoritism and preference isn’t just among their friends and the citizens of Asgard. It’s right in his own home. Odin so greatly and blatantly prefers Thor. Thor is the son of his own loins, but Loki doesn’t know that, and so it’s even more of a mystery why he isn’t given the same love and attention as Thor is. He can’t see any reason for it.
And let’s go into a quick aside on Odin’s treatment of Loki. His accounts of the War and his taking Loki are a bit contradictory and sketchy. He “rescues” a baby that “nobody wanted and was left alone to die” and bring him home to raise with the hope that he can be used to “bring about a permanent peace.” Um, what? If Laufey had abandoned Loki to die, why would he be willing to accept Loki back as a type of bartering chip? What I read from this is that Odin stole Loki from the temple where he was being kept hidden and safe while the Asgardians were attacking Jotunheim. Odin stole Loki with the intention of raising him as an Asgardian, raising him to hate the Jotuns and think them monsters. Then, when the time was right, Odin would have Laufey killed and place Loki on the Jotun throne, because as Laufey’s son, he is the rightful heir. But this means that the Jotun king is now loyal to Asgard and thinks his subjects monsters. So Odin has won far more than a physical battle here.
I also should point out that Odin gets plenty psychological with his own kids. In the scene where we’re shown Odin giving the kids a tour of the weapons vault, he very plainly tells them that they are both meant to be kings, but only one of them can have his throne. Really, Odin? Are you ****ing serious? How can you say that to your children? Sibling rivalries exist all on their own, without parents helping them along, and Odin is encouraging them to fight in a very big way here. And he’s giving Loki all this false hope. “Yeah, you’re made to be a king, but sucks to be you, because you’re the younger one and therefore not as important as your brother.” What is this?
Anyway, so Loki has grown up feeling inferior. And this abuse comes from all sides. Even from Thor, although I think with Thor, he absolutely never meant to come off that way. Thor loves his brother very much, but he’s used to being the one that’s in charge. He’s the heir to the throne. He’s older. He tells Loki to “know his place” when Loki is trying to talk him down from doing something stupid.
So we come to Loki learning that he’s adopted. Needless to say, this news doesn’t go over very well. And Loki’s reaction is completely understandable. He’s been lied to his whole life. He’s been raised thinking that Frost Giants are barbaric monsters, and then he comes to learn that he is one. As if he doesn’t already feel inferior enough. Now he has to live with the knowledge that he is essentially what all of the people around him hate. He’s not about to forget that one of Thor’s aspirations in life is to hunt and slay Frost Giants. His brother, who he loves more than anyone else. And Odin, rather than own up to all of this, falls into the most convenient Odinsleep of all time, leaving Loki even more alone and confused.
Another scene that should have been in the movie proper was when Loki is actually handed the responsibility of ruling Asgard while Odin’s taking his nap. His talk with Frigga shows his insecurities, his uncertainty, and his reluctance to take on the throne even temporarily. So Loki starts thinking, “Holy ****. I’m king now. I’m king, and I’m a Frost Giant. I’m a Frost Giant and I let other Frost Giants into Asgard to ruin my brother’s coronation. ****.” Now he has to keep up with the lie, a lie that’s getting bigger and bigger all the time. And when Sif and the Warriors Three come to ask for Thor to be brought back, no, that can’t happen yet. Because it’s not that Loki wants the throne. It’s because now he has to prove himself. He has to prove that he belongs in Asgard, that he can be just as successful as Thor and that he can be a worthy son of Odin. He has to prove to everyone and to himself that he isn’t a monster.
This mess just keeps spiraling out of control until these people that he had called friends go behind his back and against his direct orders to find Thor. And Loki’s desperate at this point, so he sends off the Destroyer, which only cements in the minds of the present Asgardians that he’s evil and awful.
Thor survives and regains his power, and Loki now doesn’t have much time to put his plan into motion. So he brings in the Frost Giants, and he kills his biological father without any concern with the hopes that his actions will please Odin. Thor returns and reveals the plan, and Loki is desperately clinging to tattered strings at this point. He’s willing to destroy an entire realm to gain his father’s good graces. And Thor, who for their entire lives has talked about fighting and war and destroying the Jotuns, is suddenly pleading for them to live.
If Loki had been in a better place, maybe he could have seen this as a sign that Thor won’t hate him. If Thor doesn’t want them all destroyed, maybe he’ll eventually be ok with the fact that Loki is one of them. But Loki’s not in a good place, not in any sort of state where he can hope for something good to come out of this. All he sees is that a mere couple of days on Earth in the presence of a nobody mortal has given Thor a change of heart. Jane Foster has done something that no one else has ever been able to do. She’s made Thor stop and think. This means that he cares for her and respects her to a very high degree. Imagine how that might make Loki feel. Loki has been with Thor for centuries upon centuries, and Thor doesn’t take Loki’s advice. Thor talks down to Loki. But he’s suddenly different because of a mortal girl.
And that’s just about the last straw for Loki. He has tears streaming down his face even as he’s goading Thor into a fight, a fight that he normally would never have attempted. Because Thor is the stronger, the warrior, the better fighter.
Granted, this moment sort of made me laugh more than have sad feels. After they break the Bifröst and Thor traps Loki under Mjölnir, Loki can’t move. He’s stuck. Even magic isn’t going to help him here, so he does the only thing he can. He acts like a little brother and starts taunting Thor. He might as well have been speaking in a high pitched, nasally voice and going “nah nah nah nah naah naaahhh!”
But back to being serious, Thor destroys the Bifröst, and they’re hanging over the abyss, held only by the conveniently appearing Odin’s hold on Thor’s leg. And there’s absolutely no two ways around it now. There’s no way he can twist this in his favor. Loki’s lost and he knows it. So he reacts again in a sort of childlike manner, telling Odin that he totally could have done this. And rather than being a decent parent and telling Loki, “Sure you could, champ,” and getting him up and back home before explaining all the ways he actually screwed this up, Odin pull one of his best moves yet and says, “No.” No. He tells Loki, broken, lost, confused Loki, that he couldn’t have done this while Loki is hanging over the endless expanse of space (I know it’s not really space. The place between worlds, whatever it’s actually called).
And that’s it. Loki doesn’t see how he can ever come back from this. And Thor knows what he’s about to do before he makes the move. Thor begs his little brother to not, but Loki lets go and falls to what they can only assume is his death. And Thor is left hanging there, watching as his little brother falls and falls and disappears.
Now we’ve hit the end of the movie and there’s really not much time left to deal with the fall out. But Loki isn’t given much more than Sif’s halfhearted “Sorry about your kid, Frigga. But I’m kind of bummed that Thor misses him and that mortal girl.” Something I kind of hated was Thor and Odin’s talk at the end. No, Thor, no. You should not want to be a king like Odin. Okay, he’s gotten pretty adamant about keeping peace between worlds in his old age, but look at the mess he caused by simply being a bad parent. Look at what his lies and his neglect did to Loki. Odin is very much responsible for so much of what happens in this movie. So much would have been avoided if he had taken the time to explain Loki’s origins to him, if he wouldn’t have manipulated and kept secrets, if he would have shown Loki some of the love that he showed Thor. Not to excuse all of Loki’s actions, but he didn’t just wake up one day and decide to destroy the world. He was led to this by being grossly mistreated for his entire life.For his part, I don’t think Thor is all that changed. You don’t lose centuries of your personality in a couple of days. But these are life changing events that he’s gone through. He’s lived on the other side. He’s experienced being weak and powerless. Although I honestly don’t see what was so special about her (not to say I don’t like Jane, I just don’t really see what she did that would have realistically changed Thor), Jane has gotten under Thor’s skin enough that he wants to be a better person, and he’s at least willing to give a tiny bit of thought before charging in and bashing things with the hammer. And now Thor has to live with the guilt of what’s happened to Loki. He was not happy to be fighting with his brother, and he was heartbroken to see Loki give up and let go. He begged Loki to stay, even after what Loki had done and had threatened to do.Loki feels like Thor in his life is just about the only good thing he’s got going. To a degree, a lot of what Loki does is sort of acting out like a kid, desperate for attention and approval. And he wants that attention and approval from Thor more than anyone else. And Thor just wants the brother that he knew back. He wants the Loki who wasn’t killing and destroying but just playing some harmless if annoying jokes on people. There’s a very deep between them. No matter how many times Loki causes all this trouble, Thor still forgives him and still wants him around.

[Webfoot Hero]

Wow. Out of that whole spoiler tag, maybe only a few lines may have been actual spoilers for The Avengers. Looks more like a redacted intelligence briefing than an actual post.

[catgirl18]

If you think Movie odin is a bad father Then you should read the comics,

[itchyscratch]

Balder, when does your version of Thor get released in the cinemas? Unfortunately I only managed to see Branagh's version last year.

[bonzob2000]

Lol.

[herolee10]

So i guess to get back to a question, if someone would be so kind enough to give their feedback for those that have seen the film.:yay:

In regards to the way that the Hulk was portrayed as a character from those who have seen the film, in your opinion, do you think that he came off as a character who was innately good or had the potential to be innately good? Or was he more along the lines of how he was shown at the end of TIH where Banner simply used his conscious to aim the Hulk's wild aggression to the Aliens?

I'd like to think that the Hulk showed signs that he wasn't just a crazy creature who would attack anything on sight, especially given on how instead of killing the pilot that was shooting at him, he let the pilot go instead unharmed essentially.

[Gamingboy]

I asked this a few pages back, but it wasn't answered: Do they reference the fact Cap worked with Tony's dad?

[Adamantium Man]

I asked this a few pages back, but it wasn't answered: Do they reference the fact Cap worked with Tony's dad?

Briefly. Tony says something along the lines of "This is the guy my father kept going on about?"

[BrianVan]

First time posting here been following for a long time tho.
One question about the movie that i would like to ask.
In detail how does each member get to new york city to fight off the invasion after what happens on the hellcarrier?

Thank you very much for who answers this.

[cofphoto]

Wait what? Can you confirm that?

yes, sorry, I was talking about this movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259998/

Which like I said is a great movie IMO, my Son LOVES this movie because the stars of the movie are kid super heroes.

[Superwhat]

First time posting here been following for a long time tho.
One question about the movie that i would like to ask.
In detail how does each member get to new york city to fight off the invasion after what happens on the hellcarrier?

Thank you very much for who answers this.


Thor flies with Mjolnir.
Cap, Widow and Hawkeye take the quinjet.
Iron Man flies there with his armor.
And Banner just shows up in a moped.

[BigThor]

Thor flies with Mjolnir.
Cap, Widow and Hawkeye take the quinjet.
Iron Man flies there with his armor.
And Banner just shows up in a moped.


Does it show Thor actually flying through the air when arriving?

[BrianVan]

Thor flies with Mjolnir.
Cap, Widow and Hawkeye take the quinjet.
Iron Man flies there with his armor.
And Banner just shows up in a moped.

How do they know how to get there tho?

[thalidomide]

how do they know how to get there tho?

gps

[Spideyfan93]

Mid credits scene finally revealed in very high quality of THANOS!

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liljohnny93/thanoslol.png

[thalidomide]

Mid credits scene finally revealed in very high quality of THANOS!

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liljohnny93/thanoslol.png

The CGI looks surreal :woot::woot::woot:

[BrianVan]

gps

That was funny lol :)

[thalidomide]

That was funny lol :)

lol sorry I'm a bit drunk and I still can't believe that in a few days I will be watching the Avengers :)

[BrianVan]

lol sorry I'm a bit drunk and I still can't believe that in a few days I will be watching the Avengers :)

:( i have to wait till the 4th in canada

[Rock Sexton]

Balder, when does your version of Thor get released in the cinemas? Unfortunately I only managed to see Branagh's version last year.

Hahah .... there are seriously some eccentric people on this site.

[thalidomide]

:( i have to wait till the 4th in canada

That's ok dude I sure it'll be worth the wait, you'll see.

:woot::woot:

[BigThor]

Hahah .... there are seriously some eccentric people on this site.

Yo Rock, does it show Thor actually flying through the air when arriving to the NYC battle?

[Alvin Draper]

I just got back from a midnight screening :D

The movie was a lot better than all of the previous ones put together. The Hulk was pretty amazing and the humour was great.

[thalidomide]

I just got back from a midnight screening :D

The movie was a lot better than all of the previous ones put together. The Hulk was pretty amazing and the humour was great.

You should make your own review (Without spoilers) :woot::woot::woot::woot:

[Superwhat]

Does it show Thor actually flying through the air when arriving?


It doesn't show him flying all the way there, but when he does arrive he is flying.

[Superwhat]

Mid credits scene finally revealed in very high quality of THANOS!

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/liljohnny93/thanoslol.png


Haha this is genius!

[Alvin Draper]

You should make your own review (Without spoilers) :woot::woot::woot::woot:

I'm pretty bad when it comes to reviews :p

I can confirm that the mid-credits scene is the only one, unless they add another to the US screenings.
Also, I didn't see any new trailers for TDKRises in case anyone was wondering.

[Rock Sexton]

Yo Rock, does it show Thor actually flying through the air when arriving to the NYC battle?

No. He basically just shows up on Stark Tower. I thought Whedon could've done a better job with that because in one scene you see him powering up in some random field and then the next he's suddenly there ready to fight Loki. Just not a good transition imo.

[BigThor]

It doesn't show him flying all the way there, but when he does arrive he is flying.


Oh ok, so is Thor's flight scenes in this film better than the flying in his solo film?

[WhiteKnight]

I can confirm that the mid-credits scene is the only one, unless they add another to the US screenings.

I seriously hope the extra scene isn't just for the US release, as that'd be very unfair to the legions of Australian and UK fans who will be seeing it before May 4th...

[Superwhat]

How do they know how to get there tho?

I think the gps post pretty much covers it up haha

[thalidomide]

I'm pretty bad when it comes to reviews :p

I can confirm that the mid-credits scene is the only one, unless they add another to the US screenings.
Also, I didn't see any new trailers for TDKRises in case anyone was wondering.

I KNEW IT! It only means that we're not seeing the TDKR trailer here in the Philippines as well :)

I think that's only for the US release.

[BigThor]

No. He basically just shows up on Stark Tower. I thought Whedon could've done a better job with that because in one scene you see him powering up in some random field and then the next he's suddenly there ready to fight Loki. Just not a good transition imo.

It doesn't even show him landing on top of Stark tower?

[Superwhat]

No. He basically just shows up on Stark Tower. I thought Whedon could've done a better job with that because in one scene you see him powering up in some random field and then the next he's suddenly there ready to fight Loki. Just not a good transition imo.


Wait, did the part where Thor arrives and summons lighting on all the chitarui that are fighting the team happen after or before the Loki fight? I thought it was before, then he flies to Stark Tower. I might be confused then.

[Alvin Draper]

I KNEW IT! It only means that we're not seeing the TDKR trailer here in the Philippines as well :)

I think that's only for the US screenings

I just had a quick look in the TDKRises forums and I saw this:
http://cdn.batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/TDKRAvengersWB.jpg
I guess it'll just be attached to screenings May 4 and after.

[thalidomide]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5zYExoKVbA8/SwW1LZuElJI/AAAAAAAAAIM/MN6LgEc-VVc/s1600/The-Simpsons-Mr-Burns-Excel.jpg

[WhiteKnight]

It doesn't even show him landing on top of Stark tower?

After Thor falls from the Helicarrier, he has to power up in a field by conjuring up a storm. We don't see him again until Captain America, Iron Man, Hawkeye and the Black Widow team up and head off in the Quinjet to Stark Tower where Loki is opening up a portal using the Tesseract.

When the Quinjet later arrives, Loki uses his sceptre to fire at one of its engines, causing it to go down, but before firing the finishing shot, is hit with a lightning bolt from Thor who is now on the tower too. The Thor vs. Loki fight then ensues.

So, to answer your question, no - we don't see him landing, but that's mainly because it's meant to be one of those surprise save-the-day moments.

[Havok_NL]

Would anyone care to explain;

1. How Thor got back to earth and,
2. What happened to Jane Foster?(You would think that she would have been one of the first people Thor would have rushed to see.

[Rock Sexton]

It doesn't even show him landing on top of Stark tower?

It does .... but it's not like you see him flying from the field all the way to the Tower. It's just a quick shot of him landing on top of the tower then they get to arguing/fighting.

[WhiteKnight]

Wait, did the part where Thor arrives and summons lighting on all the chitarui that are fighting the team happen after or before the Loki fight? I thought it was before, then he flies to Stark Tower. I might be confused then.

It happens after. The Loki fight ends with Loki stabbing Thor in the abdomen with a small dagger-like object and taking off on one of the Chitauri aircraft. Thor then makes his way to ground level where Captain America and the rest are assembling, and Cap gives him orders to harness the lightning.

[Alvin Draper]

Would anyone care to explain;

1. How Thor got back to earth and,
2. What happened to Jane Foster?(You would think that she would have been one of the first people Thor would have rushed to see.

1. Not explained, he just arrives.
2. Coulson explains to Thor the situation with her, we see a photo and Thor is told that she's safe.

[Rock Sexton]

So, to answer your question, no - we don't see him landing, but that's mainly because it's meant to be one of those surprise save-the-day moments.

I don't consider it that at all. You knew what he was doing when he grabbed him hammer to power up into his armor. It was just a bad transition. I'm wondering if part of it was removed to trim time off the film.

[WhiteKnight]

Would anyone care to explain;

1. How Thor got back to earth and,
2. What happened to Jane Foster?(You would think that she would have been one of the first people Thor would have rushed to see.


1. Apparently Odin had to call on some "dark magic" to transport Thor to Earth in order to bring Loki home. Thor explains this to Loki when he first arrives.

[EDIT: I previously said that Thor explains this to Loki. Instead, it was more likely that Loki only implied this, saying something along the lines of 'What sort of dark magic did Father have to conjure up to get you here, now that the Bifrost is gone?']

2. Jane Foster is mentioned in passing and shown on a computer screeng, when Coulson explains to Thor that they moved her to a secure location for her protection when they found out that Loki was back on Earth and seeking revenge.

[Rock Sexton]

1. Apparently Odin had to call on some "dark magic" to transport Thor to Earth in order to bring Loki home. Thor explains this to Loki when he first arrives.

2. Jane Foster is mentioned in passing and shown on a computer screeng, when Coulson explains to Thor that they moved her to a secure location for her protection when they found out that Loki was back on Earth and seeking revenge.

Thor doesn't explain the "dark magic" ..... Loki simply asks Thor about what kind of dark magic the all-father had to conjure to get him to Earth. That's all that's stated when it comes to how Thor arrives. As much as I loved the movie, it's also a spot I wish they could've developed better.

[WhiteKnight]

I don't consider it that at all. You knew what he was doing when he grabbed him hammer to power up into his armor. It was just a bad transition. I'm wondering if part of it was removed to trim time off the film.

Well, I don't know... I mean, there was quite a bit of stuff between him powering up and putting on his armour. Enough to give Thor time to get to Stark tower and intervene. But I guess I'll just give Whedon and co the benefit of the doubt. :)

[Havok_NL]

1. Apparently Odin had to call on some "dark magic" to transport Thor to Earth in order to bring Loki home. Thor explains this to Loki when he first arrives.

2. Jane Foster is mentioned in passing and shown on a computer screeng, when Coulson explains to Thor that they moved her to a secure location for her protection when they found out that Loki was back on Earth and seeking revenge.

Thanks!

[WhiteKnight]

Thor doesn't explain the "dark magic" ..... Loki simply asks Thor about what kind of dark magic the all-father had to conjure to get him to Earth. That's all that's stated when it comes to how Thor arrives. As much as I loved the movie, it's also a spot I wish they could've developed better.

Ah, well. Maybe. I remember one of them saying something about needing dark magic to get to Earth since the Bifrost was destroyed. Will probably need to see it a few more times to get all the details right. Just going off 7-8 hour old memories now! :P

[Pac-Master]

That's what I am talking about, Nick Fury doesn't say "We are hopelessly outgunned"...he does say something similar, but that shot from the trailer is not in the movie. The one that's in the movie is similar but it's definitely different.

I definitely did not see/hear the "I think they need a timeout" line from Coulson.

And this is the shot of BW that I was referring to. If it's in the movie, I missed it.

http://nerdbastards.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/black-widow-avengers-scarlettjohansson.jpg
Yeah that wasn't in there.

[AnneFan]

Saw the movie. Loved it!

[thalidomide]

Saw the movie. Loved it!

Do a review!!!

[AnneFan]

Do a review!!!

I will do.

[bullets]

1. Apparently Odin had to call on some "dark magic" to transport Thor to Earth in order to bring Loki home. Thor explains this to Loki when he first arrives.

2. Jane Foster is mentioned in passing and shown on a computer screen, when Coulson explains to Thor that they moved her to a secure location for her protection when they found out that Loki was back on Earth and seeking revenge.


So glad this is explained properly.

[BigThor]

After Thor falls from the Helicarrier, he has to power up in a field by conjuring up a storm. We don't see him again until Captain America, Iron Man, Hawkeye and the Black Widow team up and head off in the Quinjet to Stark Tower where Loki is opening up a portal using the Tesseract.

When the Quinjet later arrives, Loki uses his sceptre to fire at one of its engines, causing it to go down, but before firing the finishing shot, is hit with a lightning bolt from Thor who is now on the tower too. The Thor vs. Loki fight then ensues.

So, to answer your question, no - we don't see him landing, but that's mainly because it's meant to be one of those surprise save-the-day moments.

That sounds awesome, I'm glad to hear that Thor get's to make a grand entrance.:applaud

[cofphoto]

It's been over 2 weeks since I saw the movie, but can someone who has seen it more recently answer this:

From what I remember, when Cap/IM/Widow have Loki in the Quinjet, just before Thor arrives, didn't one of them say something that led you to believe that they were trying to attract Thor? That maybe they knew that Thor would see what Loki was up to and come after him? I could have sworn there was some line like "No sign of him yet" or something. Then when it started to lightning, Loki got nervous and one of them said something like "What's the matter, don't like thunder?" and Loki replied "It's what follows that I'm not fond of" or something like that.

But my initial impression wasn't that Thor just showed up, it was that they were trying to draw him in. Maybe I was wrong. What I didn't understand however, was that if they were trying to draw him in, how come Iron Man took off after them when Thor took Loki away? Then they started fighting, as if IM thought that Thor was an ally of Loki.

Thoughts?

[WhiteKnight]

It's been over 2 weeks since I saw the movie, but can someone who has seen it more recently answer this:

From what I remember, when Cap/IM/Widow have Loki in the Quinjet, just before Thor arrives, didn't one of them say something that led you to believe that they were trying to attract Thor? That maybe they knew that Thor would see what Loki was up to and come after him? I could have sworn there was some line like "No sign of him yet" or something. Then when it started to lightning, Loki got nervous and one of them said something like "What's the matter, don't like thunder?" and Loki replied "It's what follows that I'm not fond of" or something like that.

But my initial impression wasn't that Thor just showed up, it was that they were trying to draw him in. Maybe I was wrong. What I didn't understand however, was that if they were trying to draw him in, how come Iron Man took off after them when Thor took Loki away? Then they started fighting, as if IM thought that Thor was an ally of Loki.

Thoughts?

The "What's the matter, don't like thunder?"/"It's what folows that I'm not fond of" exchange is definitely on the Quinjet on the way to the Helicarrier. But it didn't feel like they were trying to attract Thor. The only previous mention of Thor at that point was when they were contemplating whether he (as Loki's brother) would be a threat.

And then when Thor showed up, they simply assumed he was trying to spring Loki. But even if he wasn't, he was still taking away their only lead to the Tesseract, so they had to try and stop Thor no matter what.

[lilboiibubblez]

Just got back from the midnight screening in Australia.
I remember everything down to the smallest detail, ask me anything.

[Quasimod0]

How many shield throws? lol

[BigThor]

I have a question, what is Loki doing when he thrusts his hand forward while escaping on the back of that truck?

It's happens at 1:32 secs - eOrNdBpGMv8

[T"Challa]

Just got back from the midnight screening in Australia.
I remember everything down to the smallest detail, ask me anything.

Just your overall reaction/thoughts to begin

[lilboiibubblez]

How many shield throws? lol
Quite a lot, more than 10 times I'm sure.

[lilboiibubblez]

I have a question, what is Loki doing when he thrusts his hand forward while escaping on the back of that truck?
He's firing beams from the staff, in the trailers and clips the effects weren't rendered.

[Quasimod0]

Wow, really? That many times?

[lilboiibubblez]

Just your overall reaction/thoughts to begin
It was amazing, the hype is true.
It goes 110% from the first scene and never slows down.
I loved it.

[lilboiibubblez]

Wow, really? That many times?
yeah, he does it a lot.

[jmc]

Saw the film, can't give fair review however as I got ill during the movie, but if people want to know anything just shout out.

[BigThor]

He's firing beams from the staff, in the trailers and clips the effects weren't rendered.

Oh ok cool, how many "hammer" throws are in the film?

[lilboiibubblez]

Oh ok cool, how many "hammer" throws are in the film?
Quite a few, I'd say more than 5.

[Naite22]

I love when he shouts "KNEEL!" and the crowd is surrounding by his duplicates .... one of those moments where Loki let's it be known he's not f'in around.

That and when Banner shouts at Black Widow were too really charged moments that kind of startled me because I wasn't expecting them.

That scene with Banner and Black Widow. Also saw the clip online. It actually made me jump a bit. Very effective! Like I've said before, I wasn't hyped for Avengers two weeks ago... But damn it - I am now! I've seen the clips. The 'feel', 'dialog', 'tone setting' is damn good! I truly loved the last clip released, with Steve Rogers and Coulson, on their way to the Hanger. Seriously! The way they work around the Cap-A suit, about it being old-fashioned, yet still WHY people just might need that, is simply brilliant! Clever and excellent writing... This is really shaping up good http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[samsnee]

So question about Thor. Basically he

shows up after they capture Loki, then fights Hulk on the helicarrier (is this where Coulson is also killed?) then gets dropped from the helicarrier, and then shows up at the end for the final battle? That's it?

[BigThor]

Quite a few, I'd say more than 5.

How about lightning attacks?

[lilboiibubblez]

So question about Thor. Basically he

shows up after they capture Loki, then fights Hulk on the helicarrier (is this where Coulson is also killed?) then gets dropped from the helicarrier, and then shows up at the end for the final battle? That's it?
That's pretty much the bare bones of it. There's stuff in between that fleshes it out.

[lilboiibubblez]

How about lightning attacks?
Maybe 3, there wasn't a lot. There was one huge one that wasn't as cool as it should've been but it did a lot of damage.

[beyond_death]

Just got back. Amazing!

No after credits scene though.

[Superwhat]

Just got back from the midnight screening in Australia.
I remember everything down to the smallest detail, ask me anything.

Put this at rest for me:


In the Thor vs Hulk fight.

Thor is on one knee waiting for Mjolnir to arrive. Hulk begins to rush him and right when he's behind Thor, Mjolnir arrives and Thor smacks the hell out of Hulk.

Does Hulk go flying back, or just loses his balance? I can't remember.

[BigThor]

Maybe 3, there wasn't a lot. There was one huge one that wasn't as cool as it should've been but it did a lot of damage.

Only 3 lightning attacks, that's pretty lame for someone called the "God of Thunder". :argh:

[lilboiibubblez]

Put this at rest for me:


In the Thor vs Hulk fight.

Thor is on one knee waiting for Mjolnir to arrive. Hulk begins to rush him and right when he's behind Thor, Mjolnir arrives and Thor smacks the hell out of Hulk.

Does Hulk go flying back, or just loses his balance? I can't remember.

Hulk goes flying back.

[Gamma Burst]

Only 3 lightning attacks, that's pretty lame for someone called the "God of Thunder". :argh:

He's saving it for Thor 2!:woot:

[BigThor]

Hulk goes flying back.

Is the Thor vs Hulk fight destructive?

[Splat]

Is Cap's wake up scene from the end of his movie in the Avengers? Just curious.

[Superwhat]

Is Cap's wake up scene from the end of his movie in the Avengers? Just curious.


No, Cap just has flashbacks.

[lilboiibubblez]

Is the Thor vs Hulk fight destructive?
Very destructive, Throwing each other through walls and through parked jets, getting smacked up and down denting the floor and ceiling.

[J.Howlett]

Very troubling, as a fan of Hemsworth, to see that he doesn't have as much scenes as I'd like him to have. It sounds, just based on spoilers, that he dowsn't arrive until around the 30 minute mark.

Does that sound about right?

[BigThor]

Very destructive, Throwing each other through walls and through parked jets, getting smacked up and down denting the floor and ceiling.

Man that sounds AWESOME!!!

[Whiskey Tango]

It's been mentioned a few times that Thor doesn't show up until the movie is well underway.

[lilboiibubblez]

Very troubling, as a fan of Hemsworth, to see that he doesn't have as much scenes as I'd like him to have. It sounds, just based on spoilers, that he dowsn't arrive until around the 30 minute mark.

Does that sound about right?
Yeah, about that. But he more than makes up for it.
People have been short changing Thor, he's in a lot of scenes and does a lot in the movie.

[BigThor]

It's been mentioned a few times that Thor doesn't show up until the movie is well underway.

Even as a huge Thor fan, I'm not bothered by that because it probably makes his entrance even more grand.

[lilboiibubblez]

Man that sounds AWESOME!!!

Oh and I heard that Thor pile drives Loki during their fight, so does the slam cause a crater in the ground?
Thor does hold Loki over his head and slams him down, I don't think it made a crater. I'll be honest though, that fight was really short and rather weak. It near the beginning of the final battle and compared to what follows, it's not worth much.

[BigThor]

Yeah, about that. But he more than makes up for it.
People have been short changing Thor, he's in a lot of scenes and does a lot in the movie.

That's great, I'm really glad to hear that he's in a bunch of scenes does a lot in the film. :woot:

[Superwhat]

Even as a huge Thor fan, I'm not bothered by that because it probably makes his entrance even more grand.

It sure does!

[megalixir]

It's going to come down to how much of a Thor fan you are with regards to the Thor screentime. I think Thor could have had just a few more minutes of screentime, especially if they addressed how Thor arrived on earth a bit more since that's the big cliffhanger at the end of his own film. It's the reason TA is a 9.5/10 for me.

[Splat]

No, Cap just has flashbacks.


Cool, thanks.

[BigThor]

It's going to come down to how much of a Thor fan you are with regards to the Thor screentime. I think Thor could have had just a few more minutes of screentime, especially if they addressed how Thor arrived on earth a bit more since that's the big cliffhanger at the end of his own film. It's the reason TA is a 9.5/10 for me.

I'm not gonna be too off put by Thor's screentime, because I'm more concerned with what he does than how long he's in the movie.

[magneto1138]

Wasn't answered in the other thread, so I'll post it here:


So I was one of the few and proud that had the privilege of seeing the movie on 4/14. Amazing.

Spoiler Question:

What does Hulk say, while walking away, after beating Loki like a rag doll? We were a little loud after the beat-down, and didn't hear it. I figure he said something like "Puny God."

[lilboiibubblez]

Oh and I will say this now as I think know ones given the answer, the Hulk's voice undoubtedly Ruffalo's.
And the line he says is Puny god, after he's done destroying Loki.

[ace69]

Really? Then why is Lou Ferrigno credited as the Hulk voice?

[Rock Sexton]

Very troubling, as a fan of Hemsworth, to see that he doesn't have as much scenes as I'd like him to have. It sounds, just based on spoilers, that he dowsn't arrive until around the 30 minute mark.

Does that sound about right?

You should go cry about it and create a thread how this movie is going to suck because of it.

Seriously some of you guys need a damn chill pill. The skepticism and laboring over some of the littlest crap is embarrassing.

Just wait to see the movie for cryin' out loud. This film packed in as much as it possibly could.

[BigThor]

You should go cry about it and create a thread how this movie is going to suck because of it.

Seriously some of you guys need a damn chill pill. The skepticism and laboring over some of the littlest crap is embarrassing.

Just wait to see the movie for cryin' out loud.

I'm not even worried about it and that's saying a lot considering Thor is my favorite superhero and all.

[peterparker0077]

I heard Thor had a hair out of place when he was posing in a scene... that's... that's very troubling... this film is going to suck!

[J.Howlett]

Did Josh call Avengers the best of the genre last week?

[Rock Sexton]

If I'm not worrying about it then no one should, considering Thor being my favorite superhero of all time and all.

Essentially, people have to realize that every fan of each individual hero is going to feel like their's needs all this screen time ..... but it's not that kind of movie. However the characterizations for the time they do get are great and they all have their big "moment".

[anabell]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2zwupXDE91qksxvso1_500.jpg

"He's Adopted"I JUST HAVE ONE WORD TO SAY TO THOR
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http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ur5xrnhF1qgqps2.gif

I don’t even know what to say,

[VOLCHKOV]

Going in to this movie, spoiled or not, you KNOW all the Avengers are going to survive and fight another day. That seems to be the main issue with movies like this. Like a Bond film, you pretty much know how it's going to end before you see it. Now of course, the character interactions, special effects, action sequences & Scarlett Johanssen scenes should more than make up for this fact, but it's still a fundamental flaw.

[BigThor]

Essentially, people have to realize that every fan of each individual hero is going to feel like their's needs all this screen time ..... but it's not that kind of movie. However the characterizations for the time they do get are great and they all have their big "moment".

Yep it's not about the amount of screentime it's how much you actually do when you're on the screen. :cool:

The only thing that slightly disappoints me is the fact that there doesn't really seem to be a "Big Three" relationship.

[Rock Sexton]

Yep it's not about the amount of screentime it's how much you actually do when you're on the screen. :cool:

The only thing that slightly disappoints me is the fact that there doesn't really seem to be a "Big Three" relationship.

There's no time for that.

Regardless, there's a great scene at the end after the Hulk rescues Iron Man that gives you a sense of the earned respect among them.

[BigThor]

There's no time for that.

Regardless, there's a great scene at the end after the Hulk rescues Iron Man that gives you a sense of the earned respect among them.

I think they could've worked it in there by having a "Cap/Thor/Iron Man" relationship dymanic instead of just an IM/Cap dynamic.

[Rock Sexton]

I think they could've worked it in there by having a "Cap/Thor/Iron Man" relationship dymanic instead of just an IM/Cap dynamic.

No offense, but you're speaking about things before having seen the movie. Just wait, you'll see.

[Whiskey Tango]

There's no time for that.

Regardless, there's a great scene at the end after the Hulk rescues Iron Man that gives you a sense of the earned respect among them.

Iron Man has to be rescued? Say it isn't so! Now I'm all in a tizzy! How troubling! How can this be? Surely the movie must be ruined! That's yet another knock, Whedon! :argh:

[BigThor]

No offense, but you're speaking about things before having seen the movie. Just wait, you'll see.

Nah I'm just speaking from what I've heard thus far, it was also pretty apparent from reading Joss Whedon's interviews.

Iron Man has to be rescued? Say it isn't so! Now I'm all in a tizzy! How troubling! How can this be? Surely the movie must be ruined! That's yet another knock, Whedon! :argh:

For some reason I keep forgetting about that scene, I don't know why though.

[J.Howlett]

Yeah, about that. But he more than makes up for it.
People have been short changing Thor, he's in a lot of scenes and does a lot in the movie.

Okay. Good. It's just seems that every spoiler description about the film seemed Thor-lite...and I was curious.

My man crush on Hemsworth is reaching epic levels...not seen since the People's Champ days of the Attitude Era of WWE.

[anabell]

The Hulk was ****ing brilliant, also. Suddenly punching Thor in the arm got probably the biggest laugh

[Rock Sexton]

Nah I'm just speaking from what I've heard thus far, it was also pretty apparent from reading Joss Whedon's interviews.


BT, again there's no time to develop this massive friendship between the three of them ... so Whedon chooses moments like the one I described to you after IM is saved to capture that kind of thing.

[jaqua99]

That sounds awesome, I'm glad to hear that Thor get's to make a grand entrance.:applaud

Yesss

I have a question, what is Loki doing when he thrusts his hand forward while escaping on the back of that truck?

It's happens at 1:32 secs - eOrNdBpGMv8

I was wondering that too. I saw him do it somewhere else too. I think it looks badass when he does it.

[TTFN]

I was watching some of the bts stuff on youtube and I swear everytime they show a break, some chic is fixing Thor's hair. That made me laugh. Such a pretty boy. Mustn't have a hair out of place!

Does Hulk say anything besides "puny god"?

[jaqua99]

Just got back. Amazing!

No after credits scene though.

Uhm..

Thanos is it apparently....well mid credit, but still

[jaqua99]

You should go cry about it and create a thread how this movie is going to suck because of it.

Seriously some of you guys need a damn chill pill. The skepticism and laboring over some of the littlest crap is embarrassing.

Just wait to see the movie for cryin' out loud. This film packed in as much as it possibly could.

Agreed 100% but, he was just stating his opinion.
lol don't be a hypocrite man, its not a big deal, :P

[anabell]

The Avengers was absolutely amazing.

[jaqua99]

The Avengers was absolutely amazing.

lmao all 3 of your posts of been totally random

[C. Lee]

lmao all 3 of your posts of been totally random

So have the posts of the other two names they created the last couple of days.

[ace69]

In the latest TV spot they changed Hulk's roar. Interesting.

[ace69]

Double Post

[Lord]

Is there any post-credits scene?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Reading all the posts i get the conclusion that Whedon cares more about Hulk, Iron Man and Cap, than Thor and Hawkeye. I don't understand why he do this to Thor. A Thor who's is not even able to kick Iron Man's ass, and a Thor who's not gonna SHINE at the final battler (from what i've heard). Too bad. :/ Anyways, few people care about Thor, 'cause the movie looks like still be great.

[Rock Sexton]

Reading all the posts i get the conclusion that Whedon cares more about Hulk, Iron Man and Cap, than Thor and Hawkeye. I don't understand why he do this to Thor. A Thor who's is not even able to kick Iron Man's ass, and a Thor who's not gonna SHINE at the final battler (from what i've heard). Too bad. :/ Anyways, few people care about Thor, 'cause the movie looks like still be great.

http://i.imgur.com/XaQ0W.jpg

[Erik Lehnsherr]

http://i.imgur.com/XaQ0W.jpg

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/617/okayguy.jpg

[bonzob2000]

Seriously, how many times do you need to be told that Thor dominates Iron Man in that fight? He has to be powered down a tiny bit or it would seem ridiculous that we even need the other Avengers. Still, the only shots Tony Stark gets on him in that fight are after Thor accidentally powers up his armor. Otherwise Thor completely dominates Iron Man throughout the fight. Did you not see Thor shake off being scraped along a mountain, getting a head butt from the Iron Man armor, and getting a repulsor blast in the face? Did you not see Thor crush Iron Man's armor with his bare hands? Knocking Iron Man off his feet and back thirty feet with a headbutt of his own? How many times does this need to be explained to you? This is getting ridiculous.

[Rock Sexton]

Seriously, how many times do you need to be told that Thor dominates Iron Man in that fight? He has to be powered down a tiny bit or it would seem ridiculous that we even need the other Avengers. Still, the only shots Tony Stark gets on him in that fight are after Thor accidentally powers up his armor. Otherwise Thor completely dominates Iron Man throughout the fight. Did you not see Thor shake off being scraped along a mountain, getting a head butt from the Iron Man armor, and getting a repulsor blast in the face? Did you not see Thor crush Iron Man's armor with his bare hands? Knocking Iron Man off his feet and back thirty feet with a headbutt of his own? How many times does this need to be explained to you? This is getting ridiculous.

Guys like him think this is a literal translation from the comic down to the last drop. They have no common sense when it comes the intricacies of depicting their powers on screen without neutering the other heroes in the process.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Guys like him think this is a literal translation from the comic down to the last drop. They have no common sense when it comes the intricacies of depicting their powers on screen without neutering the other heroes in the process.

I've never insulted anyone. How about Silver Surfer (he's not a villain) vs Human Torch? They made him the winner so easy as the comics. It's clear that Whedon wanted to make Thor with the same power of IM. And sorry for annoy you

[Chewy]

Guys you're going to be satisfied with your favorite character's showing. Unless your favorite is Erik Selvig, lol.

But in a movie with 8 lead characters no one is going to get the same screen time they got in their solo flick.

[Rock Sexton]

I've never insulted anyone. How about Silver Surfer (he's not a villain) vs Human Torch? They made him the winner so easy as the comics. It's clear that Whedon wanted to make Thor with the same power of IM. And sorry for annoy you

If you're going to use that garbage FF movie as a litmus test for how to appropriately depict their powers vs. each other than you're out of your mind.

It's clear you haven't seen the damn movie, I have that's how I know. It's also clear we're probably going to be seeing a lot more of your whining once you've actually seen this film. Lord have mercy on this forum.

[Chewy]

I've never insulted anyone. How about Silver Surfer (he's not a villain) vs Human Torch? They made him the winner so easy as the comics. It's clear that Whedon wanted to make Thor with the same power of IM. And sorry for annoy you
It's clear that Thor is more powerful. Couldn't be more clear, actually.

[TonyHulkedSBTB]

Three queries:
1. I've heard comments about Tony being self-sacrificing in the movie-specific moments of this , please?
2. How does Clint actually the meet the team(unposessed, when does he first have screen time with any of them)?
3. Does Bruce find Tony annoying, adorable, or interesting?
Thanks!

[flickchick85]

Guys you're going to be satisfied with your favorite character's showing. Unless your favorite is Erik Selvig, lol.

But in a movie with 8 lead characters no one is going to get the same screen time they got in their solo flick.
Yeah, the only one of the Avengers whose portrayal I could see fans being disappointed with is Hawkeye, and that's only because he's being mind-controlled for the first half of the film. Otherwise all the main characters are done justice to, imo.

[Chewy]

Yeah, the only one of the Avengers whose portrayal I could see fans being disappointed with is Hawkeye, and that's only because he's being mind-controlled for the first half of the film. Otherwise all the main characters are done justice to, imo.
Hawkeye's my fave and I loved him in this. He has less screen time but the way he's set up really sells Widow's relationship with him to the audience. And builds a lot more tension than there otherwise would have been.

[flickchick85]

Hawkeye's my fave and I loved him in this. He has less screen time but the way he's set up really sells Widow's relationship with him to the audience. And builds a lot more tension than there otherwise would have been.
I agree, I loved Hawkeye's whole story in this. I just meant, if someone's a die-hard Hawkeye fan and he's all they care about seeing in the movie, they might be disappointed that the REAL Hawkeye doesn't even appear in the film until the latter portion of the story.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Well, thank you... It's so stupid to insult the persons, also it's too stupid to insult web users that u're nevel will meet. :facepalm:

[Rock Sexton]

Well, thank you... It's so stupid to insult the persons, also it's too stupid to insult web users that u're nevel will meet. :facepalm:

Sort of like ignoring the obvious and making naive conclusions about a movie you haven't seen.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Sort of like ignoring the obvious and making naive conclusions about a movie you haven't seen.

But i have read some spoilers and i've seen the sequence IM's hits to Thor at Trailer 2 (and the clip it's some subjective, many people says IM is winning just watching that clip, anyway). But ok, i'm the pest here. Greets.

[Whiskey Tango]

Guys you're going to be satisfied with your favorite character's showing. Unless your favorite is Erik Selvig, lol.

But in a movie with 8 lead characters no one is going to get the same screen time they got in their solo flick.

They made Selvig look like a chump? Troubling! WHEDOOOOOON! :cmad:

[bonzob2000]

Who cares if it looks like Iron Man is winning in the trailer?

Loki throws Stark out a window in the trailer. I guess Stark is dead then. That's what looked like was happening in the trailer. Can't believe Whedon killed Stark! OMG. Why couldn't he have made the film more like Fantastic Four?

Thor. Is. Stronger. Than. Iron. Man. In. The. Movie.

How do you still not understand this?

[ace69]

I wonder how He'll react when Galactus shows up at the end of the movie.

:woot:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/76/Galactus_Cloud.jpg/502px-Galactus_Cloud.jpg

[Chewy]

I agree, I loved Hawkeye's whole story in this. I just meant, if someone's a die-hard Hawkeye fan and he's all they care about seeing in the movie, they might be disappointed that the REAL Hawkeye doesn't even appear in the film until the latter portion of the story.
I guess, but his role here is roughly equivalent to Nightcrawler's in X2 and no one seemed to have a problem there.

But that might have something to do with everyone else, other than Wolvy, Magneto, Storm and Jean, getting short changed. Lowered Expectations :oldrazz:

[lilboiibubblez]

Thor's role is bigger than Nightcrawler's was.

[Chewy]

Thor's role is bigger than Nightcrawler's was.
Was talking about Hawkeye. But yes Thor's role is much bigger than Nightcrawler's.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Who cares if it looks like Iron Man is winning in the trailer?

Loki throws Stark out a window in the trailer. I guess Stark is dead then. That's what looked like was happening in the trailer. Can't believe Whedon killed Stark! OMG. Why couldn't he have made the film more like Fantastic Four?

Thor. Is. Stronger. Than. Iron. Man. In. The. Movie.

How do you still not understand this?

It is official that I have just to get haters :/
both FF were pure crap, just like XMO: Wolverine, Elektra, Daredevil, X3, bla, bla... i just compared the SS vs Human Torch, and that's it. And i don't understand the Thor thing 'cause Cap will intervenes and Stark wasn't losing. My intention is not disturb anyone, i just wrote that is too bat that Thor is not a main character in the movie (like Hulk, IM or Cap). Greets.

[lilboiibubblez]

Oh, my apologies.
You're right, Hawkeye didn't really do all that much and he could've easily been replaced by other events to move the story forward in the same fashion his actions did. His character wasn't that important.
He wasn't around all that much either.

[Whiskey Tango]

too bat that Thor is not a main character in the movie

:wall:

[Chewy]

It is official that I have just to get haters :/
both FF were pure crap, just like XMO: Wolverine, Elektra, Daredevil, X3, bla, bla... i just compared the SS vs Human Torch, and that's it. And i don't understand the Thor thing 'cause Cap will intervenes and Stark wasn't losing. My intention is not disturb anyone, i just wrote that is too bat that Thor is not a main character in the movie (like Hulk, IM or Cap). Greets.
Thor is a main character in the movie.

Thor is a main character in the movie.

Thor is a main character in the movie.

[bonzob2000]

Stark WAS losing. Arhghghghgh.

Thor decimates him with a lightning strike.

It accidentally gives Iron Man four times his usual strength.

Even with 4x strength, only manages to briefly knock Thor off his feet.

Thor brushes off a mountain like it's nothing.

Then he crushes Iron Man's armor with his bare hands.

Then he takes a repulsor blast to the face at point blank range.

Then he shakes off an Iron Man headbutt, again, like it's nothing.

Then he headbutts Iron Man back, which knocks him off his feet, flips him over, and dents the Iron Man armor.

Please, explain to me how Stark "wasn't losing" that fight?

I feel like you would only be satisfied if Thor ended the fight by ripping Tony's head off and sending it into orbit.

Even the site's other resident Thor-maniacs are perfectly satisfied with what happens. If you continue to want to read it in a way that literally no one else is, go right ahead.

[jmc]

BTW, 3D in this film is totally pointless and a waste of money.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Stark WAS losing. Arhghghghgh.

Thor decimates him with a lightning strike.

It accidentally gives Iron Man four times his usual strength.

Even with 4x strength, only manages to briefly knock Thor off his feet.

Thor brushes off a mountain like it's nothing.

Then he crushes Iron Man's armor with his bare hands.

Then he takes a repulsor blast to the face at point blank range.

Then he shakes off an Iron Man headbutt, again, like it's nothing.

Then he headbutts Iron Man back, which knocks him off his feet, flips him over, and dents the Iron Man armor.

Please, explain to me how Stark "wasn't losing" that fight?

I feel like you would only be satisfied if Thor ended the fight by ripping Tony's head off and sending it into orbit.

Even the site's other resident Thor-maniacs are perfectly satisfied with what happens. If you continue to want to read it in a way that literally no one else is, go right ahead.

But after the clip i guess IM will be winning him (liker trailer 2) but Thor will be like it's nothing... to me that stills looks like Thor cannot win. That's all i wanted to express my friend... and no, i don't wanna see IM being humilliated, i like him actually.

[Flemm]

Stark WAS losing. Arhghghghgh.
Even the site's other resident Thor-maniacs are perfectly satisfied with what happens. If you continue to want to read it in a way that literally no one else is, go right ahead.

It's mostly trolling, I think. Or.... I hope? :doh:

[Chewy]

But after the clip i guess IM will be winning him (liker trailer 2) but Thor will be like it's nothing... to me that stills looks like Thor cannot win. That's all i wanted to express my friend... and no, i don't wanna see IM being humilliated, i like him actually.
http://i.imgur.com/sUBZf.jpg

[Erik Lehnsherr]

http://i.imgur.com/sUBZf.jpg

Yes, i like him, who doesn't like IM or Robert? But, i just don't wanna see that escene when the cap intervenes when the fight is a draw. Trully i'm not trolling.

I think i'm getting bad reputation.

[Lord]

Is there any post credits scene?

[Rock Sexton]

I think i'm getting bad reputation.

Nah .... you're just dense and one stubborn poster. Save your money man, you're not going to like this film because of your preconceived notions.

[Rock Sexton]

BTW, 3D in this film is totally pointless and a waste of money.

There were some sets where I felt immersed.

The issues I had were with some of the darker scenes particularly the space scenes with Loki.

[Rock Sexton]

Is there any post credits scene?

Mid-credits scene .... which is good. I always felt like making people wait 5-10 extra minutes for all the credits to roll was a bit tedious.

[dbapz]

Hey Y'all! Gotta like this so we can get a new poster :)

https://www.facebook.com/IMAX/posts/10150823243741639

[AnneFan]

I wrote a review, here it is:


If you want action, action is what you will get in Marvel’s The Avengers. This is an unabashed comic book extravaganza with the big money well and truly put on the screen. The premise, a group of heroes assembled from the Marvel Comics universe fighting for Earth’s survival, exceeds expectations and holds your interest from beginning to end.

The team, consisting of Tony Stark/Iron Man (Robert Downey Jnr), Steve Rogers/Captain America (Chris Evans), Bruce Banner/The Hulk (Mark Ruffalo), Thor (Chris Hemsworth), Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner) and Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) must find a way to work together and defeat Loki, the God of Mischief himself, played with devilish menace by Tom Hiddleston, when he and his marauding alien forces arrive via an intergalactic portal.

Upon being summoned by Nick Fury (Samuel L Jackson), the Director of secret military law enforcement agency SHIELD, all of the characters get their chance to shine in an even spread of scenes.

With great power comes great egos, and the inevitable clashes occur. This is most evident between Rogers and Stark, whom Rogers believes not to be a team player and essentially redundant without his Iron Man suit. This is a continuing issue throughout the film, and is finally resolved in a moment of sacrifice during the frenetic last act. Thor, the quick-tempered god of Thunder, feels a sense of responsibility as his brother Loki begins his mayhem. Bruce Banner is in a constant state of controlling his anger. Which he manages to do, but for how long?

Hawkeye and spy Black Widow may be the only non-super powered members of the team, but they continually prove their worth with explosive arrows, technical combat moves or a gun drawn at lightning speed. Even when strapped to a chair. They are also provided with backstories that help us better understand them.

You don’t have to be a comic book aficionado to enjoy the proceedings. Be it Downey Jnr’s flippant wit, witnessing The Hulk being let off the chain in visually pleasing large-scale destruction or pondering what it means to be a hero, The Avengers has something for everyone and is a great ambassador to the genre.

If you see it in 3D, you will be impressed. It is well worth your time. You are immersed into the film with a sense of depth and intimacy that suits a film such as this.

A word of advice, when you think the movie is over be sure to remain seated. There is a bonus scene awaiting you that sets up a potential sequel.

Action packed, funny and with a beating human heart at the centre, The Avengers is an A plus for escapist entertainment.

[thalidomide]

I wrote a review, here it is:


If you want action, action is what you will get in Marvel’s The Avengers. This is an unabashed comic book extravaganza with the big money well and truly put on the screen. The premise, a group of heroes assembled from the Marvel Comics universe fighting for Earth’s survival, exceeds expectations and holds your interest from beginning to end.

The team, consisting of Tony Stark/Iron Man (Robert Downey Jnr), Steve Rogers/Captain America (Chris Evans), Bruce Banner/The Hulk (Mark Ruffalo), Thor (Chris Hemsworth), Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner) and Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) must find a way to work together and defeat Loki, the God of Mischief himself, played with devilish menace by Tom Hiddleston, when he and his marauding alien forces arrive via an intergalactic portal.

Upon being summoned by Nick Fury (Samuel L Jackson), the Director of secret military law enforcement agency SHIELD, all of the characters get their chance to shine in an even spread of scenes.

With great power comes great egos, and the inevitable clashes occur. This is most evident between Rogers and Stark, whom Rogers believes not to be a team player and essentially redundant without his Iron Man suit. This is a continuing issue throughout the film, and is finally resolved in a moment of sacrifice during the frenetic last act. Thor, the quick-tempered god of Thunder, feels a sense of responsibility as his brother Loki begins his mayhem. Bruce Banner is in a constant state of controlling his anger. Which he manages to do, but for how long?

Hawkeye and spy Black Widow may be the only non-super powered members of the team, but they continually prove their worth with explosive arrows, technical combat moves or a gun drawn at lightning speed. Even when strapped to a chair. They are also provided with backstories that help us better understand them.

You don’t have to be a comic book aficionado to enjoy the proceedings. Be it Downey Jnr’s flippant wit, witnessing The Hulk being let off the chain in visually pleasing large-scale destruction or pondering what it means to be a hero, The Avengers has something for everyone and is a great ambassador to the genre.

If you see it in 3D, you will be impressed. It is well worth your time. You are immersed into the film with a sense of depth and intimacy that suits a film such as this.

A word of advice, when you think the movie is over be sure to remain seated. There is a bonus scene awaiting you that sets up a potential sequel.

Action packed, funny and with a beating human heart at the centre, The Avengers is an A plus for escapist entertainment.


Nice review :)

[ThePowerCosmic]

In this pic:

http://screencrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Hulk-Black-Widow-Avengers.jpg

Is Hulk chasing Widow or helping her?

[jaqua99]

I wonder how He'll react when Galactus shows up at the end of the movie.

:woot:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/76/Galactus_Cloud.jpg/502px-Galactus_Cloud.jpg

ha stop teasing the poor guy

[itchyscratch]

That was amazing! Just heading back in to watch it again.

Hulk v Loki had the whole cinema rolling with laughter.

[jaqua99]

But after the clip i guess IM will be winning him (liker trailer 2) but Thor will be like it's nothing... to me that stills looks like Thor cannot win. That's all i wanted to express my friend... and no, i don't wanna see IM being humilliated, i like him actually.

Holy ****ing ****....

excuse my french, But seriously, people are have seen the god damn movie are telling you that thor is clearly winning in the movie, Ironman lands some attacks, but they dont hurt thor. People who have seen the movie are saying thor clearly is winning the fight. Ironman is outmatched. And you are saying...but the trailer shows other wise (trailer shows jack squat), it doesn't freakin matter what the trailer shows!!!!!!! Holy christ, they are telling you that in the movie, Thor is more powerful and is winning so holy flipping burgers on a ****ing grill just let it go, they said Thor is more powerful in the seojfslkfn movie. HE IS




:doh:

[Quasimod0]

In this pic:

http://screencrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Hulk-Black-Widow-Avengers.jpg

Is Hulk chasing Widow or helping her?
Chasing

[itchyscratch]

Had TDKR as well as Spiderman for the trailers by the way. And only one post movie scene.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Chasing

AHA! I knew it!

Thanks Quasi :yay:

[Quasimod0]

No problem man

[T"Challa]

Had TDKR as well as Spiderman for the trailers by the way. And only one post movie scene.

how were the trailers?

[beyond_death]

Had TDKR as well as Spiderman for the trailers by the way. And only one post movie scene.

Did you get the new trailers?! We got Prometheus and the 2nd Spiderman trailer.

[Euthanatos12]

For those who haven't seen the credits scene at the end of the movie, it's now up on Youtube to watch. A little dark, but you still get to see and hear the whole thing basically.

[AnneFan]

Nice review :)

Thanks.

[cofphoto]

For those who haven't seen the credits scene at the end of the movie, it's now up on Youtube to watch. A little dark, but you still get to see and hear the whole thing basically.

Aha, thanks! I had been wanting to see that again. Couldn't remember exactly what was said.

Did anyone ever figure out who the guy is that's talking to Thanos?

[Quasimod0]

Just a general of the aliens

[ThePowerCosmic]

I wrote a review, here it is:


If you want action, action is what you will get in Marvel’s The Avengers. This is an unabashed comic book extravaganza with the big money well and truly put on the screen. The premise, a group of heroes assembled from the Marvel Comics universe fighting for Earth’s survival, exceeds expectations and holds your interest from beginning to end.

The team, consisting of Tony Stark/Iron Man (Robert Downey Jnr), Steve Rogers/Captain America (Chris Evans), Bruce Banner/The Hulk (Mark Ruffalo), Thor (Chris Hemsworth), Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner) and Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) must find a way to work together and defeat Loki, the God of Mischief himself, played with devilish menace by Tom Hiddleston, when he and his marauding alien forces arrive via an intergalactic portal.

Upon being summoned by Nick Fury (Samuel L Jackson), the Director of secret military law enforcement agency SHIELD, all of the characters get their chance to shine in an even spread of scenes.

With great power comes great egos, and the inevitable clashes occur. This is most evident between Rogers and Stark, whom Rogers believes not to be a team player and essentially redundant without his Iron Man suit. This is a continuing issue throughout the film, and is finally resolved in a moment of sacrifice during the frenetic last act. Thor, the quick-tempered god of Thunder, feels a sense of responsibility as his brother Loki begins his mayhem. Bruce Banner is in a constant state of controlling his anger. Which he manages to do, but for how long?

Hawkeye and spy Black Widow may be the only non-super powered members of the team, but they continually prove their worth with explosive arrows, technical combat moves or a gun drawn at lightning speed. Even when strapped to a chair. They are also provided with backstories that help us better understand them.

You don’t have to be a comic book aficionado to enjoy the proceedings. Be it Downey Jnr’s flippant wit, witnessing The Hulk being let off the chain in visually pleasing large-scale destruction or pondering what it means to be a hero, The Avengers has something for everyone and is a great ambassador to the genre.

If you see it in 3D, you will be impressed. It is well worth your time. You are immersed into the film with a sense of depth and intimacy that suits a film such as this.

A word of advice, when you think the movie is over be sure to remain seated. There is a bonus scene awaiting you that sets up a potential sequel.

Action packed, funny and with a beating human heart at the centre, The Avengers is an A plus for escapist entertainment.

:wow:... I don't think I want to see this movie anymore.



:hrt:

[Quasimod0]

You dont like human hearts? :p

[Vulklin]

Avengers!!!!!

[Quasimod0]

Id remove that. I opened it for some reason and only saw the gold headpiece. Phew

[Max-Hammerhands]

Hey guys. As I'm sure you're all aware, the Avengers has opened in the land down under this morning. I went and watched it this morning. I'll write up my thoughts on the movie once I'm finished with all our ANZAC stuff, and I'l even try and do something different from the norm and focus on nit picking in order to temper people's expectations as opposed to focusing on what I liked about it (which is ALOT). Rest assured I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and I know I will like it even more after repeated viewings, but do not go into this thinking it's going to be "the best movie ever" or that it's perfecf with no faults, you will walk away slightly disappointed if you do.

[jaqua99]

Id remove that. I opened it for some reason and only saw the gold headpiece. Phew

what!??

[BigThor]

Reading all the posts i get the conclusion that Whedon cares more about Hulk, Iron Man and Cap, than Thor and Hawkeye. I don't understand why he do this to Thor. A Thor who's is not even able to kick Iron Man's ass, and a Thor who's not gonna SHINE at the final battler (from what i've heard). Too bad. :/ Anyways, few people care about Thor, 'cause the movie looks like still be great.

I'm getting tired of you asking the SAME question over and over, I'm seriously considering putting him on ignore.

A guy who goes by "BigThor" is going to put you on ignore for complaining about Thor, that should tell you something.

BT, again there's no time to develop this massive friendship between the three of them ... so Whedon chooses moments like the one I described to you after IM is saved to capture that kind of thing.

Understood Rock :up:

[xeno000]

BTW, 3D in this film is totally pointless and a waste of money.


BTW, I disagree. In the battle sequences the 3D was amazing. The film never suffered from the darkness that caused problems with other 3D conversions. I plan to see the film in 2d, too, so I'll be able to compare the formats.

[jaqua99]

Aha, thanks! I had been wanting to see that again. Couldn't remember exactly what was said.

Did anyone ever figure out who the guy is that's talking to Thanos?

Soo tempting, but i didnt watch it!

[Marvolo]

I just read that Coulson dies. Damn you, Whedon! I was really hoping Happy would be the blood sacrifice Whedon chose.:csad:

[Donstuie]

1. Not explained, he just arrives.
2. Coulson explains to Thor the situation with her, we see a photo and Thor is told that she's safe.

1. It sort of does, but easy to miss. Loki says something along the lines of "How much dark magic did father have to conjure to bring you here?" when they first face each other, but nothing after that

[flickchick85]

Reading all the posts i get the conclusion that Whedon cares more about Hulk, Iron Man and Cap, than Thor and Hawkeye. I don't understand why he do this to Thor. A Thor who's is not even able to kick Iron Man's ass, and a Thor who's not gonna SHINE at the final battler (from what i've heard). Too bad. :/ Anyways, few people care about Thor, 'cause the movie looks like still be great.
Watch the movie before you draw any conclusions. In the actual movie, it's clear in the IM/Thor fight that if Cap had not intervened, Thor would have defeated IM without taking so much as a scratch from him. Once you see it yourself, hopefully you'll see what I mean. There's absolutely NO WAY Thor comes across as a guy "can't even defeat Iron Man," because it's very obvious that, given the chance, he most certainly would have. Whedon gave great care to all the main characters, imo, and they all got moments to shine.

[Saitou Hajime]

Just got back, and had the most enjoyable experience ever. Some thoughts:


IMO Cap came out looking the best hero in the bunch. All of his memorable feats came while immersing himself among the civilians.

Thor should fire his agent. With the exception of the Iron Man fight, he didn't come off looking quite as well as I thought he would. Don't even get me started on everything that happened with the Hulk (especially that particularly dick move. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT).

Speaking of the Hulk, he got put over BIG TIME in this movie and was easily the most popular character. Rufallo's Banner was AWESOME.

Iron Man was surprisingly low-key, even for an ensemble movie. That final moment reminded me of Batman's hero move in the finale of the Thanagarian arc of Justice League.

Black Widow kicked ass despite the limitations of her character and fared better than Hawkeye, who was basically like Cyclops in X2, except he managed to salvage it a bit for the grand finale. The standing of the two in the pecking order sort of become uncomfortably highlighted when the Big Four were having their private post battle pow-wow with the two nowhere in sight.

The male interactions got a bit kinda... weird. It's like Whedon was trying to sneak in his trademark subtext. Banner and Stark in particular were a little funky; I'd be worried if I was Pepper.

And last, that post-credits sequence: I've been waiting my fanboy life to see that evil grin on the big screen.

[beyond_death]

Its funny reading some feedback from other people that saw it saying parts of it dragged on. I thought the whole thing flew by. It actually felt short!

[BigThor]

Just got back, and had the most enjoyable experience ever. Some thoughts:

Thor should fire his agent. With the exception of the Iron Man fight, he didn't come off looking quite as well as I thought he would.

Really? I've been hearing the complete opposite from pretty much everyone who's seen the film.

[Lord]

Mid-credits scene .... which is good. I always felt like making people wait 5-10 extra minutes for all the credits to roll was a bit tedious.
AH, but it's after the movie ends right? And yeah, i also dont like the fact that in the previous movies we had to wait for the end of the credits, that way most people don't see what happens post-credits

[Saitou Hajime]

Really? I've been hearing the complete opposite from pretty much everyone who's seen the film.

Maybe you'll have a better perspective on it when you see for yourself, but honestly I was bit disappointed. Thor was made to look like a fool on certain parts, which was sort of emphasized by a particular moment involving THAT GUY.

[Donstuie]

Maybe you'll have a better perspective on it when you see for yourself, but honestly I was bit disappointed. Thor was made to look like a fool on certain parts, which was sort of emphasized by a particular moment involving THAT GUY.
I'd agree with this. IMO Thor probably fared the worst of the Big 4, possibly because he was the most powerful of them, and they needed to push the others ahead a little bit.

[Chewy]

Oh c'mon, the "dick move" is completely played for laughs and is hilarious. It doesn't make Thor look weak at all, he's just caught off guard. Haha

[BrollySupersj]

Oh c'mon, the "dick move" is completely played for laughs and is hilarious. It doesn't make Thor look weak at all, he's just caught off guard. Haha

Speak to me of this move.

[Saitou Hajime]

Dunno, I guess I would've felt a little better if Thor got to return the cheapshot in kind, especially after the less-than-stellar Helicarrier showings.

It's like when Austin and the Rock were whupping on HHH and Angle, and after they were done Austin would nail the Rock with a Stunner just for the hell of it. Except the Rock got to pay Austin back later so that he didn't look like a chump.

[Chewy]

Well Thor did smash Hulk through one of the helicarrier's walls, out of nowhere, during the Hulk's Black Widow chase. So it kind of was already payback, in a way :cwink:

[Chewy]

Speak to me of this move.
You don't want it spoiled. Wait for the movie on this one, trust me :yay:

[itchyscratch]

Did you get the new trailers?! We got Prometheus and the 2nd Spiderman trailer.

I hadn't seen any of the trailers before, so not sure what versions I got, but Prometheus knocked the other two out of the park.

Liked The Avengers more on the second viewing when I could relax and take it all in.

Things I loved:



* Hulk vs Loki - fabulous. Theatre went ballistic and couldn't stop laughing.

* Scarlet J - Had no expectations of her and haven't seen IM2, so hadn't seen BW before. Thought her acting and her character were very good.

* Iron Man walking out of his costume and falling into his costume were both amazing, even if I'd seen parts of those scenes in the trailers. Seamlessly done and very effective.

* Loki was magnificent. Tom H is so great. Loved his entrance, loved the slight squelching when he gets into the back of the truck, loved his passion and menace and evil and his conviction in playing the role.

* It's been mentioned before but Mark Ruffalo's contrast between Banner and Huk and the unassuming, low key air he adopted as Banner worked so well.

* Awwwww. Coulson. He was so wonderful in this movie. Especially with his crush on Cap and coming in to save Thor.

* I'd been spoiled for a few of the nicknames that IM had for the other characters, but cracked up when he called Loki in his helmet 'Reindeer Games'.


Things I wasn't sold on:



* Nuclear bomb goes boom on the mothership in space and all the bad guys on earth drop dead. Anti-climactic and I thought a smarter, more satisfactory way could have been found to end the earth battle.

* Some very ropey CGI bits with the spacebikes and one in particular head on shot of Loki on a spacebike looked really cheap.

* The Cellist line? Didn't understand it when I read about it here in the spoilers and didn't understand it either time I saw the movie today. The guy next to me at the second showing asked his mate about it and was told that it was probably a euphamism for Coulson being gay. If someone can explain what it was referring to I'd appreciate it.

* Black Widow jumping on to the Spacebike. That whole scene just didn't work for me, in concept or in execution.


Thor Thorts ....



* His vs Iron Man fight was fabulous, even though I'd been spoiled for it. The vs Hulk fight was brilliant, but I wish it was longer and they'd stayed with it for one continuous fight instead of cutting away. Niece thought less cutting away for all the fights would have worked better but maybe that would have stifled the flow of the movie.

* Unfortunately I felt those two fights trumped all the others in the second part of the movie, including the end battle. The Thor vs Loki fight was disappointing. No better than the one they had in the Thor movie. Particularly when you look at all the moves and skills used in the Black Widow v Hawkeye fight, this one with Loki was pretty dull, brief and inadequate.

* I wasn't bothered about whether they showed Jane in The Avengers or not, but seeing as how they did I'd have liked to see a bit more of an appreciative reaction from Thor when he's looking at her on the screen. Didn't seem worth it really.

* Wish they'd had time to show Thor properly reacting to Coulson's death. At least voicing his opinion about it to someone. After all, Coulson hadn't died yet when Thor took the unfortunate exit downwards to earth.

* Loved the rest of the Thor/Loki interaction. From the way Thor grabs Loki by the throat when he rescues him to how he roughly tosses him down onto the rocks when they land to talk, it was all really good from both of the actors. I was surprised that there was no talk at all between them at the end before they zipped back to Asgard. Maybe Joss deliberately put the metal ballgag on Loki to save time and expel any chance of dialogue.

* Overall I was pretty happy with the Thor scenes. Wanted more and wanted to see him do more tricks than he did but hopefully he'll get his chance in his own second movie.

* Those arms! Good grief.

[Chewy]

Re: the Cellist line.

Early on in the movie Pepper says to Coulson "So tell me about this cellist", implying he was dating/had dated/liked a cellist

When Cap asked Stark if Coulson was married, he said "No, but there was this cellist..." or something to that effect

Just a little non sequitur, no real meaning

[DarthSkywalker]

Question, how much screen time do the non-Avengers get? Hill, Pepper, etc?

[itchyscratch]

Re: the Cellist line.

Early on in the movie Pepper says to Coulson "So tell me about this cellist", implying he was dating/had dated/liked a cellist

When Cap asked Stark if Coulson was married, he said "No, but there was this cellist..." or something to that effect

Just a little non sequitur, no real meaning

Ah, thank you. Did she say that to him as they were getting in the lift? I missed their dialogue.

[Chewy]

Question, how much screen time do the non-Avengers get? Hill, Pepper, etc?
Not much. Hill is there a bunch but usually in the background, although she does get some lines and a bit of action. Pepper and Selvig are both in like 3 scenes and have probably 5-10 lines.

[titansupes]

Pepper only gets a couple scenes, but good ones.

Hill actually gets a lot, including good action. Liked the character, well written, well acted.

[titansupes]

So, then...got back a couple of hours ago (was taking care of my 6 year old nephew, who I took to see the movie).

Just some background on my Marvel movie thoughts:

Iron Man: 7/10
The Incredible Hulk: 5/10
Iron Man II: 3/10
Thor: 3/10
Captain America: The First Avenger: 5.5/10

And now...

The Avengers: One hundred and fifty quabidy-jillion x's fortytwo million.../10.

I can not overstate this: This movie is why the words *****ING AWESOME were created. I usually tell people "Go into the movies with your mind blank, don't expect the world, you'll have a better time." But for this? ***** that. Put your expectations through the roof, and this movie will surpass them.

Anybody that has read my posts knows I don't gush over any movies unless there's good reason (the only ones I can think of are Empire Strikes Back and The Dark Knight). Now, this movie is not as deep as those two movies, but it's got just enough emotion permeating throughout. The humour is incredible. The drama. There's some suspense...There's even a GENUINLY scary scene (the first Hulkout). There's tragedy (you'll know it when it happens). This is what a summer movie should be, what a lot of comic book movies should aspire to. Dark characters have TDK to aspire to, lighter ones have this.

This was the best cinema going experience of my life, in terms of the crowds collective reactions to the film. The other 2 were The Two Towers, and The Dark Knight. I've never experienced clapping and cheering in a movie theatre before today. Whenever somebody says it happened, I just think they're some fanboy talking crap...But it happened. During a HULK moment no less, a character who has received lukewarm receptions at his own big screen outings (He's in top form here...as is everyone and eveything else). The moment (non-spoiler) is during the final battle, between he and Loki. Loki's talking trash...Hulk responds the best way he knows how. I cheered and clapped with the rest of the crowd.

I've actually been euphoric about how great this movie is. And I'm not even a Marvel fan! As you can see from my above numbers and my huge review of the awful Thor movie (who was amazing in this, as well as Loki who I hated in Thor, and not in a good way), I heven't truly like what Marvel has done. But all is forgiven. All is forgiven. Hopefully now that they don't have to worry about setting up this movie, and with the insane cashflow increase this is sure to give them, they'll make the upcoming solo movies better than the last wave. There's not a dud joke, scene, character and (and this is a rarity)...I can't think of a single dud CG shot (and there's a ****LOAD of CG shots).

Ugh. I need time to calm down a little.

[Chewy]

Ah, thank you. Did she say that to him as they were getting in the lift? I missed their dialogue.
Yeah, as they were leaving

[itchyscratch]

Paltrow is like nails on a blackboard to me, but she was fine and only had a couple of small scenes. Cobie had a more scenes, but nothing meaningful.

[titansupes]

Also, can somebody tell me what Hulk said after he swung Loki around like a rag doll? "Puny..." something?? I couldn't hear because I was clapping and cheering along with everyone else.

[Saitou Hajime]

Pepper's characterization was a bit... jarring. It was like I was watching Willow or Angel-era Cordelia or something, in a bit of a change from who she was in the Iron Man films.

[itchyscratch]

Also, can somebody tell me what Hulk said after he swung Loki around like a rag doll? "Puny..." something?? I couldn't hear because I was clapping and cheering along with everyone else.

God.

[Chewy]

Pepper's characterization was a bit... jarring. It was like I was watching Willow or Angel-era Cordelia or something, in a bit of a change from who she was in the Iron Man films.
Well, she could let her hair down a bit now that they're dating. Doesn't have to be so professional

[DarthSkywalker]

Not much. Hill is there a bunch but usually in the background, although she does get some lines and a bit of action. Pepper and Selvig are both in like 3 scenes and have probably 5-10 lines.

Pepper only gets a couple scenes, but good ones.

Hill actually gets a lot, including good action. Liked the character, well written, well acted.

Thanks. Good to hear Hill is around a bit.

[itchyscratch]

Did anybody figure out which character Alexis Denisof played? Could it have been the offsider talking to Thanos?

[titansupes]

God.

Ah! Thanks.

Well, she could let her hair down a bit now that they're dating. Doesn't have to be so professional

Pretty much how I took it.

[Saitou Hajime]

Well, she could let her hair down a bit now that they're dating. Doesn't have to be so professional

I was referring more to the quipping and snappy talking over with Stark when Coulson came. She sounded less Iron Man Pepper and more Angel-era Cordelia. Although I guess you can argue that being more intimate with Stark sort of caused some of his mannerisms to rub off her, I suppose.

[Chewy]

I was referring more to the quipping and snappy talking over with Stark when Coulson came. She sounded less Iron Man Pepper and more Angel-era Cordelia. Although I guess you can argue that being more intimate with Stark sort of caused some of his mannerisms to rub off her, I suppose.
I know but she probably feels more comfortable talking over her boyfriend than her boss. That's how I interpreted it, at least.

[DarthSkywalker]

So, how does the movie start? Also how long does it take to bring the whole band together?

[Chewy]

So, how does the movie start? Also how long does it take to bring the whole band together?
The movie starts with that helicopter landing scene that's in all the trailers. Basically Loki steals the tesseract from that base and blows up the whole thing.

The whole gang? Well Cap, Banner, Widow, and Stark are gathered probably 20 minutes in, Thor joins about a half hour in, and Hawkeye doesn't join until the movie is more than half over.

[Donstuie]

So, how does the movie start? Also how long does it take to bring the whole band together?
It starts at SHIELD's facility where they are reporting that the Tesseract is "misbehaving". Loki appears out of it, and it ultimately brings down the whole facility.

Within about 30-45 min the main players are all in.

[BigThor]

I'd agree with this. IMO Thor probably fared the worst of the Big 4, possibly because he was the most powerful of them, and they needed to push the others ahead a little bit.

Fared worst?

Maybe you'll have a better perspective on it when you see for yourself, but honestly I was bit disappointed. Thor was made to look like a fool on certain parts, which was sort of emphasized by a particular moment involving THAT GUY.

I think you're overreacting to something that was meant to be "comedic" not disrespectful.

[Saitou Hajime]

Man, that sweeping shot of the heroes kicking ass all over the place... I felt like crying. In fact, I'll do just that :waa:


I think you're overreacting to something that was meant to be "comedic" not disrespectful.

Maybe. Like I said, it felt like watching Austin stun the Rock during a respect moment.

[Donstuie]

Fared worst?
I just feel that his character wasn't fleshed out as much as the others. Stark, Cap and Banner all had scenes where they all evolved as characters. But Thor seemed to just pop in every so often, do something cool or taunt Loki, and then disappear again.

[BigThor]

Dunno, I guess I would've felt a little better if Thor got to return the cheapshot in kind, especially after the less-than-stellar Helicarrier showings.

Less than stellar Helicarrier showings?

[Oberon sexton]

All those complaints about Thor's role being small were unfunded IMO, he had a huge emotional arc and his interactions with the rest of the team were really well done.

[BigThor]

All those complaints about Thor's role being small were unfunded IMO, he had a huge emotional arc and his interactions with the rest of the team were really well done.

These newfound complaints are pretty suprising considering they're the opposite of what everything else I've heard.

[Saitou Hajime]

Less than stellar Helicarrier showings?

He wasn't as impressive against Hulk as I would've hoped, but that wouldn't have been much of a problem if he didn't follow that up by getting royally embarrassed by Loki.

[BigThor]

He wasn't as impressive against Hulk as I would've hoped, but that wouldn't have been much of a problem if he didn't follow that up by getting royally embarrassed by Loki.

From what I've heard he and Hulk were pretty equal and I also heard that he pretty much pummeled Loki in their fight.

[Oberon sexton]

Even in terms of strength he's given his due, very much got the sense that he truly was a God.

[Chewy]

I thought his showing against Hulk was great. But, yeah, Loki did make him look like a bit of a fool. He tends to do that.

[Chewy]

From what I've heard he and Hulk were pretty equal and I also heard that he pretty much pummeled Loki in their fight.
He's not talking about a Thor/Loki fight. He's talking about Loki tricking Thor into getting locked in that cage

Which is perfectly in keeping with both of their characters imo

[BigThor]

He's not talking about a Thor/Loki fight. He's talking about Loki tricking Thor into getting locked in that cage

Which is perfectly in keeping with both of their characters imo

Well Loki's always been able to out smart Thor, so there's nothing suprising about that.

[Max-Hammerhands]

Ok, finally have time to share my thoughts on the movie. For the record, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and definitely the best superhero film to date (for me at least). The fact that I feel the need to discuss it here is indication of how much I was into the movie. There have already been people far more articulate and knowledgeable about film then I singing it's praises so I won't go over that again. I want to share some nit picks I had with the movie not to be a ****head troll, but just to generate discussion with others who have seen it to see what their opinion is.

I don't know how to do spoiler tags or black out text so if you wish to avoid spoilers STOP READING NOW!!!!!!!!!! For a spoiler-filled thread I figure this will suffice.




1) The "death"
I didn't buy the impact the death had on the team. They did a fantastic job in making the deceased a character that the audience connected with and rooted for but I can't understand why it affected the team so much in the context of the film. Especially Iron Man - sure Pepper apparently has a friendly relationship with him but I haven't seen anything in any film that indicated Stark considered him a friend of any kind, much less be as devastated as he was. To me it felt too fabricated - I could not see why his death would have more impact then all the other agents that were dropping like flies. And to clarify, I'm really only talking about the Big 4 as I could see why it would affect Fury, Widow and Hawkeye.

2) Hulk
With all the hype about Banner and Hulk, I walked away feeling a bit "meh" about his involvement. Perhaps I hold a higher expectation of the Hulk since he is one of my favourite characters but I can't see where all this talk about Hulk stealing the film is coming from. Ruffalo did a fine job but I can't see what he did that would make people think he is 100 times better then Norton. If anything, I feel that any decent actor could have done what Ruffalo pulled off, there was nothing so fantastic about his performance that made me think he was the highlight as I've heard mention countless times. I'm well aware I'm in the minority here so I would like to hear other's feedback on why they would claim Ruffalo to be a standout.
I was taken out of the movie in certain times during the Hulk vs Thor fight as the CGI was questionable and unfortunately you have seen about 60% of the Hulk's involvement in the final epic fight in the trailers and TV spots. This hulk is the most consistent then any other hulk that has been seen on film but did not (IMO) live up to the stills we've seen that made us think this CGI character would be the best thing ever. With LOTR two towers for example, I was never once taken out of the movie when Gollum appeared on the scene. I cannot say the same for hulk. Do not be fooled, he is nowhere near the best CGI creation to ever exist as I've heard others proclaim from the stills alone.

3) After credit scene
Maybe I'm going crazy, but regarding the "reveal" did his hand look like a human hand to anyone else? It was a quick shot so I could be completely wrong but the shot of his hand did not look purple or gloved, it looked like a human hand coming down. Obviously this isn't the case as the final shot lingers on his face for about 5-10 secs and there's no mistaking who it's meant to be.



That's about all I can think of for now. To repeat, I really really liked the movie (I refrain from saying "love" as I have to watch it a few more times) but I'm trying to generate discussion that isn't just a fanboy wank fest - we're all fanboys but we don't all have to be mindless drones that like everything Marvel serve at us without question.

[Oberon sexton]

There was this one scene that I had always hoped would be in an Avengers film that I honestly didn't expect:
Hulk and Thor fighting back to back against the alien horde
twas a glorious sight :D

[nyle]

Spider-man cameo ? :S

[Max-Hammerhands]

There was this one scene that I had always hoped would be in an Avengers film that I honestly didn't expect:
Hulk and Thor fighting back to back against the alien horde
twas a glorious sight :D

Agreed, there were heaps of awesome shots. There was definitely no skimping on the action.

[Chewy]

1) The "death"
I didn't buy the impact the death had on the team. They did a fantastic job in making the deceased a character that the audience connected with and rooted for but I can't understand why it affected the team so much in the context of the film. Especially Iron Man - sure Pepper apparently has a friendly relationship with him but I haven't seen anything in any film that indicated Stark considered him a friend of any kind, much less be as devastated as he was. To me it felt too fabricated - I could not see why his death would have more impact then all the other agents that were dropping like flies. And to clarify, I'm really only talking about the Big 4 as I could see why it would affect Fury, Widow and Hawkeye.
Because underneath all of the bravado Stark's a big softie. Seemed pretty clear to me through his interactions with said character that they meant something to him

[herolee10]

So for those that have seen it; what would you guys say where the "biggest" (kick ass) moments for each character during that FINAL battle that you can remember?

[Max-Hammerhands]

Because underneath all of the bravado Stark's a big softie. Seemed pretty clear to me through his interactions with said character that they meant something to him

The only interaction I can think of between the 2 characters are in the solo Iron Man movies and when visiting him in Stark tower in Avengers. Did they have any other interactions I'm forgetting about? Because none of the interactions I'm remembering ever gave me the impression they were close enough for Stark to be as shattered as he was.

I don't know, I just didn't buy it, it felt like a forced plot point to get the team angry enough to work together. Didn't ruin the movie by any means ofcourse.

[Saitou Hajime]

He's not talking about a Thor/Loki fight. He's talking about Loki tricking Thor into getting locked in that cage

Which is perfectly in keeping with both of their characters imo

Loki outsmarting Thor was fine. What's not is Thor bouncing around the cage and barely managing to stop his free-fall only until he nearly hit the ground, looking like a complete goof in the process.

[AnneFan]

So for those that have seen it; what would you guys say where the "biggest" (kick ass) moments for each character during that FINAL battle that you can remember?

Hmm..from what I remember:
Hulk: Smashing Loki on the ground like a towel, back and forth.
Captain America: Saving a crowd inside a building and jumping/falling out from a height afterwards.
Iron Man: Intercepting the nuke and diverting it to the alien mothership, before falling back down.
Thor: Powering up his hammer with lightning.
Hawkeye: Great arrows shots throughout. Shooting out explosive tipped arrows, arrows with ropes to avoid falling, etc.
Black Widow: Captain America throwing her up, her landing on top of a alien speeder, throwing off the driver and using it herself.

[herolee10]

Hmm..from what I remember:
Hulk: Smashing Loki on the ground like a towel, back and forth.
Captain America: Saving a crowd inside a building and jumping/falling out from a height afterwards.
Iron Man: Intercepting the nuke and diverting it to the alien mothership, before falling back down.
Thor: Powering up his hammer with lightning.
Hawkeye: Great arrows shots throughout. Shooting out explosive tipped arrows, arrows with ropes to avoid falling, etc.
Black Widow: Captain America throwing her up, her landing on top of a alien speeder, throwing off the driver and using it herself.

Cool; thanks:yay:

[Oberon sexton]

*Bruce Banner's return and his subsequent smashing of the leviathan.
*Hawkeye going full on Legolas at every Alien he could see.
*Black Widow "commandeering" one of the speeders.
*Thor/ Hulk back to back fighting off a horde of aliens.
* Cap saving the civilians and taking on like 7 Chitauri.
*Iron Man flying straight through the Leviathans body.
*Thor conjuring the mother of all storms.
* Cap/Thor tag team.
*"Puny God." :D

[Ponyboy]

3) After credit scene
Maybe I'm going crazy, but regarding the "reveal" did his hand look like a human hand to anyone else? It was a quick shot so I could be completely wrong but the shot of his hand did not look purple or gloved, it looked like a human hand coming down. Obviously this isn't the case as the final shot lingers on his face for about 5-10 secs and there's no mistaking who it's meant to be.



Pretty sure that was the hand of the cronie who was kneeling before him.

[Max-Hammerhands]

So for those that have seen it; what would you guys say where the "biggest" (kick ass) moments for each character during that FINAL battle that you can remember?

Cap: When giving instructions to those 2 cops and they question why they should listen to him - Cap suddenly gets pounced by about 5 aliens, taking them all out in kick ass fashion.

Iron Man: Flies down to ground level and tackles a few aliens, proceeds to reflect a blast from Cap's shield which takes out several more aliens.

Thor: Takes out a horde of aliens with lightning, killing one of the leviathans before it can come through the portal.

Hulk: Running through crowded office and jumping on a leviathan, bringing it down.

Hawkeye: Close combat with aliens before jumping off building.

Widow: Jumping on one of the alien glider things.

There are plenty more action beats for each character during the final act that are awesome and I'm sure there are better ones then the ones I listed which I've forgotten about.

[AnneFan]

Cap: When giving instructions to those 2 cops and they question why they should listen to him - Cap suddenly gets pounced by about 5 aliens, taking them all out in kick ass fashion.

Oh yes. I really liked that as well. Quite funny.

[Saitou Hajime]

So for those that have seen it; what would you guys say where the "biggest" (kick ass) moments for each character during that FINAL battle that you can remember?


Cap: "Why should I take orders from you?"
Hulk: "Puny god"/"I'm always angry."
Hawkeye: Pulling a fast one on Loki.
Iron Man: Taking out the nuke
Black Widow: Jacking the alien bike/kicking Chitauri ass in general
Thor: Crashing the Leviathan through a building.

[Max-Hammerhands]

Pretty sure that was the hand of the cronie who was kneeling before him.

That makes sense. I'll have to watch it again to make better sense of that scene.

[Ponyboy]

That makes sense. I'll have to watch it again to make better sense of that scene.

Yeah it happened rather quickly eh... I thought the same thing at first and then quickly realised it couldnt be "his" hands... we all know what they look like. ;-)

By the way I just saw the movie about 4 hrs ago. It was fantastic. 9/10.

[herolee10]

I still get excited for some reason whenever I remember on how it's been reported that we get to see Captain America directly rescue some civilians not once, but twice in the film during the final battle:

1. Once with Hawkeye

2. Another by himself in the bank


Idk why, but I'm just a sucker when it comes to old fashion, "save the civilians from direct harm's way or from hostage like situations" in hero films.

[AnneFan]

I still get excited for some reason whenever I remember on how it's been reported that we get to see Captain America directly rescue some civilians not once, but twice in the film during the final battle:

1. Once with Hawkeye

2. Another by himself in the bank


Idk why, but I'm just a sucker when it comes to old fashion, "save the civilians from direct harm's way or from hostage like situations" in hero films.
I know what you mean. I liked him before, but CA won me over here again. He proved that he's more than a guy who got super soldier serum injected into him. He's a man with old school courage and ideals. He knows his tactics as well.