The Avengers Post Screening Review & Discussion Thread (SPOILER FILLED) - Part 4

[BigThor]

Even in terms of strength he's given his due, very much got the sense that he truly was a God.

That's awesome Oberon, I'm glad Thor got to show of his strength in this film.

[Max-Hammerhands]

I know what you mean. I liked him before, but CA won me over here again. He proved that he's more than a guy who got super soldier serum injected into him. He's a man with old school courage and ideals. He knows his tactics as well.

Before going into the movie, my wife asked me why Cap was the leader and not Iron Man. By the end of the movie, she definitely got her answer. I LOVED the way Cap gave orders during the final battle. The script got that aspect of the character PERFECTLY.

[AnneFan]

I LOVED the way Cap gave orders during the final battle. The script got that aspect of the character PERFECTLY.
Yeah, that was nice to see. A military man in his element.

[Donstuie]

So for those that have seen it; what would you guys say where the "biggest" (kick ass) moments for each character during that FINAL battle that you can remember?

Capt: Proving to a skeptical cop why he should be in charge
Iron Man: "The story of Jonah"
Hulk: Throwing Loki around like a wet towel / Sucker-punching Thor out of frame
Thor: Atop the Chrysler Building
Black Widow: Getting dragged behind a Chitauri ship ala Indiana Jones in mid-air
Hawkeye: Turning the tables on Loki

[Vulklin]

Ok, finally have time to share my thoughts on the movie. For the record, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and definitely the best superhero film to date (for me at least). The fact that I feel the need to discuss it here is indication of how much I was into the movie. There have already been people far more articulate and knowledgeable about film then I singing it's praises so I won't go over that again. I want to share some nit picks I had with the movie not to be a ****head troll, but just to generate discussion with others who have seen it to see what their opinion is.

I don't know how to do spoiler tags or black out text so if you wish to avoid spoilers STOP READING NOW!!!!!!!!!! For a spoiler-filled thread I figure this will suffice.




1) The "death"
I didn't buy the impact the death had on the team. They did a fantastic job in making the deceased a character that the audience connected with and rooted for but I can't understand why it affected the team so much in the context of the film. Especially Iron Man - sure Pepper apparently has a friendly relationship with him but I haven't seen anything in any film that indicated Stark considered him a friend of any kind, much less be as devastated as he was. To me it felt too fabricated - I could not see why his death would have more impact then all the other agents that were dropping like flies. And to clarify, I'm really only talking about the Big 4 as I could see why it would affect Fury, Widow and Hawkeye.

2) Hulk
With all the hype about Banner and Hulk, I walked away feeling a bit "meh" about his involvement. Perhaps I hold a higher expectation of the Hulk since he is one of my favourite characters but I can't see where all this talk about Hulk stealing the film is coming from. Ruffalo did a fine job but I can't see what he did that would make people think he is 100 times better then Norton. If anything, I feel that any decent actor could have done what Ruffalo pulled off, there was nothing so fantastic about his performance that made me think he was the highlight as I've heard mention countless times. I'm well aware I'm in the minority here so I would like to hear other's feedback on why they would claim Ruffalo to be a standout.
I was taken out of the movie in certain times during the Hulk vs Thor fight as the CGI was questionable and unfortunately you have seen about 60% of the Hulk's involvement in the final epic fight in the trailers and TV spots. This hulk is the most consistent then any other hulk that has been seen on film but did not (IMO) live up to the stills we've seen that made us think this CGI character would be the best thing ever. With LOTR two towers for example, I was never once taken out of the movie when Gollum appeared on the scene. I cannot say the same for hulk. Do not be fooled, he is nowhere near the best CGI creation to ever exist as I've heard others proclaim from the stills alone.

3) After credit scene
Maybe I'm going crazy, but regarding the "reveal" did his hand look like a human hand to anyone else? It was a quick shot so I could be completely wrong but the shot of his hand did not look purple or gloved, it looked like a human hand coming down. Obviously this isn't the case as the final shot lingers on his face for about 5-10 secs and there's no mistaking who it's meant to be.



That's about all I can think of for now. To repeat, I really really liked the movie (I refrain from saying "love" as I have to watch it a few more times) but I'm trying to generate discussion that isn't just a fanboy wank fest - we're all fanboys but we don't all have to be mindless drones that like everything Marvel serve at us without question.

we have seen 60% of the hulk's action in trailers and spots already?

is this true? :csad:

[Donstuie]

we have seen 60% of the hulk's action in trailers and spots already?

is this true? :csad:
Nah, and if it was actually 60%, the other 40% is all the best stuff. Trust me, you haven't seen anywhere near the Hulk's best.

[BigThor]

Capt: Proving to a skeptical cop why he should be in charge
Iron Man: "The story of Jonah"
Hulk: Throwing Loki around like a wet towel / Sucker-punching Thor out of frame
Thor: Atop the Chrysler Building
Black Widow: Getting dragged behind a Chitauri ship ala Indiana Jones in mid-air
Hawkeye: Turning the tables on Loki

Thor's Chrysler building scene being his biggest moment is a bummer, considering the fact that it's already been shown. :csad:

[herolee10]

Thor's Chrysler building scene being his biggest moment is a bummer, considering the fact that it's already been shown. :csad:

In a way, yeah; but from what's been told regarding that scene, the full destruction that he causes hasn't been shown from that moment.

And someone said that: he kills one of the large dragon creatures with that shot while it's still trying to come out of the portal

[Chris M]

we have seen 60% of the hulk's action in trailers and spots already?

is this true? :csad:

Yeah pretty much. Oh don't worry theres some really good stuff you haven't seen - but not a lot.

[Donstuie]

Thor's Chrysler building scene being his biggest moment is a bummer, considering the fact that it's already been shown. :csad:
It looks much cooler in full, but while Thor has a lot of 'good' moments in the final battle, he doesn't have as many 'awesome' moments as the others.

[AnneFan]

Yeah pretty much. Oh don't worry theres some really good stuff you haven't seen - but not a lot.

Yep, it's true.

[BigThor]

It looks much cooler in full, but while Thor has a lot of 'good' moments in the final battle, he doesn't have as many 'awesome' moments as the others.

Bummer :csad:

[Max-Hammerhands]

Nah, and if it was actually 60%, the other 40% is all the best stuff. Trust me, you haven't seen anywhere near the Hulk's best.

Obviously 60% is a number I've pulled out of my ass and not specific but what I was trying to convey is that, for the last battle at least, they showed ALOT of the hulk's involvement in trailers and stuff. The only things I can remember atm that were new to me were (SPOILERS - BEWARE):

1) Thor and Hulk battling together on top of leviathan
2) Banner transforming and taking out the leviathan in one punch
3) Hulk vs Loki

[Max-Hammerhands]

In a way, yeah; but from what's been told regarding that scene, the full destruction that he causes hasn't been shown from that moment.

And someone said that: he kills one of the large dragon creatures with that shot while it's still trying to come out of the portal


After they showed Hulk taking out a leviathan solo I kept thinking "I wonder if they'll show Thor doing that? When he is on top of the building he takes out a score of aliens plus one leviathan before it comes out of the portal. To me that was the biggest display of power in the entire movie.

[BigThor]

After they showed Hulk taking out a leviathan solo I kept thinking "I wonder if they'll show Thor doing that? When he is on top of the building he takes out a score of aliens plus one leviathan before it comes out of the portal. To me that was the biggest display of power in the entire movie.

How did it look when he took out the leviathan, was it merely pushed back into the portal or was it actually killed?

[Vulklin]

here is what i know of what hulk does, i hope it is not almost 100%

1. catches iron man and roars to wake him
2. kills a leviathan
3. fights thor midway through
4. smashes 2 aliens against a wall
5. punches a flying alien midair
6. beats up loki
7. punches thor off screen after they take down a leviathan

maybe i forgot a couple of things?

but i was expecting a whole lot more from hulk, especially as people say the finale is 30-40 mins long and epic

[Chris M]

here is what i know of what hulk does, i hope it is not almost 100%

1. catches iron man and roars to wake him
2. kills a leviathan
3. fights thor midway through
4. smashes 2 aliens against a wall
5. punches a flying alien midair
6. beats up loki
7. punches thor off screen after they take down a leviathan

maybe i forgot a couple of things?

but i was expecting a whole lot more from hulk, especially as people say the finale is 30-40 mins long and epic
No you got it - the important stuff anyway.
And given that #1 was a plot critical spoiler I was really surprised that it was in the trailer.

And the final battle is long, don't know if I'd call it epic. I felt it a started to drag a little - especially since we'd already seen a lot of it.

[Max-Hammerhands]

How did it look when he took out the leviathan, was it merely pushed back into the portal or was it actually killed?

From what I remember Thor blows a ****ing hole through it with little explosions all over its body due to the lightning and it retreats back through the portal all destroyed.

[BigThor]

From what I remember Thor blows a ****ing hole through it with little explosions all over its body due to the lightning and it retreats back through the portal all destroyed.

Oh ok cool, is there quite a bit of emphasis put on this scene or is it just a quick shot?

[Saitou Hajime]

The amount of Ho Yay in this movie is unreal. I was actually surprised they showed Tony and Pepper together at the end, considering he and Banner were practically hitting on one another and even drove off into the sunset together. :woot:

[Max-Hammerhands]

No you got it - the important stuff anyway.
And given that #1 was a plot critical spoiler I was really surprised that it was in the trailer.

And the final battle is long, don't know if I'd call it epic. I felt it a started to drag a little - especially since we'd already seen a lot of it.

We have seen alot of it, yes but I felt it was epic nonetheless. I said before that this movie will get better with repeat viewings. Once you've seen it and know what to expect I think we'll be able to get past the "is that it?" factor some might feel due to the amount shown from trailers and enjoy it for what it is.

fear notthose who have yet to see the movie, there is still alot not shown though that is awesome.

[Oberon sexton]

My Fiancé happened to think that
Thor was almost dying after Loki stabbed him, and I gotta admit that the poor Bugga seemed bushed.

[BigThor]

My Fiancé happened to think that
Thor was almost dying after Loki stabbed him, and I gotta admit that the poor Bugga seemed bushed.


Thor eats knifes for breakfast,I'm sure ol' goldilocks can handle a little "stab".:woot:

[Vulklin]

I am a bit worried that I have hyped myself up into a frenzy and once I see it I am going to be disappointed with the action, which is the only thing I actually care about with a film like this

for instance, I felt the action in the incredible hulk was poor and did not thrill me at all

when it comes to characters like hulk i wanna see him smashing 50+ aliens in lots of different creative ways, not just 2 or 3

i know a film is only 2 hours or so, but hearing the finale was 30mins+ i was thinking all these characters are going to kick so much arse

people described it as a war movie

[Oberon sexton]

Yeah, if anything a little stab wound made him madder :awesome:

[AnneFan]

people described it as a war movie

The last act is definitely a war movie.

[BigThor]

I am a bit worried that I have hyped myself up into a frenzy and once I see it I am going to be disappointed with the action, which is the only thing I actually care about with a film like this

for instance, I felt the action in the incredible hulk was poor and did not thrill me at all

when it comes to characters like hulk i wanna see him smashing 50+ aliens in lots of different creative ways, not just 2 or 3

i know a film is only 2 hours or so, but hearing the finale was 30mins+ i was thinking all these characters are going to kick so much arse

people described it as a war movie

Well think about character's like Thor who's not only Hulk's peer strength, but also has the ability to create tornadoes, lightning, and hurricanes.

[Max-Hammerhands]

Oh ok cool, is there quite a bit of emphasis put on this scene or is it just a quick shot?

Cap gives Thor orders to "create a bottleneck". Thor flies to the tower, summons lightning and takes out a score of aliens in one hit. Scene cuts to a leviathan all destroyed and retreating into the portal. I'd say the shot of the leviathan retreating goes for about 5 secs I guess.

[Vulklin]

Well think about character's like Thor who's not only Hulk's peer strength, but also has the ability to create tornadoes, lightning, and hurricanes.

I hope Thor takes down lots of aliens as well, actually I am hoping all 6 of them are shown taking down lots, because Loki has got an ARMY after all

When I first saw the Thor and Cap spot, I got the impression they had been fighting for hours, as Cap, even with with Super Soldier Stamina, seemed to be tiring

This made me imagine that they had been fighting for ages and everyone had taken down 50+ aliens each at LEAST, which would tie in to the comments about its a full on war movie

I had it in my head that the aliens just keep on coming and coming and it seems there is no end to them

So I was thinking Hulk, Thor and everyone else had been smashing countless aliens for ages, but then people saying what we seen in trailer and spots is only 60% and I have heard about the other 40% which is not as epic as i hoped

[BigThor]

I hope Thor takes down lots of aliens as well, actually I am hoping all 6 of them are shown taking down lots, because Loki has got an ARMY after all

When I first saw the Thor and Cap spot, I got the impression they had been fighting for hours, as Cap, even with with Super Soldier Stamina, seemed to be tiring

This made me imagine that they had been fighting for ages and everyone had taken down 50+ aliens each at LEAST, which would tie in to the comments about its a full on war movie

I had it in my head that the aliens just keep on coming and coming and it seems there is no end to them

So I was thinking Hulk, Thor and everyone else had been smashing countless aliens for ages, but then people saying what we seen in trailer and spots is only 60% and I have heard about the other 40% which is not as epic as i hoped

Yeah I see what you're saying, it seems like there should be alot more awesome moments in a 30-40 minute battle scene.

[Bruce_Begins]

What is the run time of Avengers ?

[BigThor]

What is the run time of Avengers ?

It's been listed as being somewhere around 143 minutes, I haven't seen the film myself so I don't know.

[Max-Hammerhands]

I hope Thor takes down lots of aliens as well, actually I am hoping all 6 of them are shown taking down lots, because Loki has got an ARMY after all

When I first saw the Thor and Cap spot, I got the impression they had been fighting for hours, as Cap, even with with Super Soldier Stamina, seemed to be tiring

This made me imagine that they had been fighting for ages and everyone had taken down 50+ aliens each at LEAST, which would tie in to the comments about its a full on war movie

I had it in my head that the aliens just keep on coming and coming and it seems there is no end to them

So I was thinking Hulk, Thor and everyone else had been smashing countless aliens for ages, but then people saying what we seen in trailer and spots is only 60% and I have heard about the other 40% which is not as epic as i hoped

The 60-40% thing is only in relation to the Hulk's scenes alone, not the whole battle. There's pleeeeenty more happening with the other characters.

And while the last battle IS epic, the time frame and amount of time they fight isn't as long as you're wishing. It isn't a drawn-out war, it's more like a ****load of aliens start piling up out of nowhere and the heroes have to contain them as much as possible immediately to stop them swarming the country.

[Vulklin]

on a much lighter note, i just read this on IMDB :woot:

the guy is an avid comic book fan apparently :oldrazz:

is this even more of fail than amy nicholson's nick frost moment? :doh:

I've been a comic book fan since I was a kid; I'm 31 now ... I go to the
comic con every year in San Diego ... so I fall into that category of
people who know "a bit too much" about the characters and stories.

I had mixed feelings about this movie.

On the one hand it was an extremely complex endeavour in the first place
to bring all of these "brands" into one place without making everything
too cliché. The director managed to do it for the most part - the interactions
(mostly) made sense.

Continuity of the characters in the film with the real comic book characters
is somewhat questionable. The Hulk was, perhaps, portrayed the most accurately
(ironically since all the failed attempts previously had fallen flat).

Thor was conveyed in such a way (strength wise) as to be pretty accurate.

Ironman's abilities seem to fluctuate a bit; he's a very technical character
and I thought that a few aspects of his part were off (falling to earth from
deep in orbit?) ... the suit chasing him and catching him before he hits
earth and then changing directions on a dime (it would have snapped him in
half from the g forces).

And then the others ... in an odd way, the Scarlett Witch :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: may have been
portrayed as much or even moreso than any of the other characters in this
film. She's not important enough to warrant that.

She, Cap and Hawkeye make up the "mortal" crowd ... the character
went to great lengths to make them participate in a battle that they shouldn't
have been in; way out of their league (S. Witch riding a Chitauri sleigh??) ...
so - if you're a scientist/physicist you might have some problems.

Captain America's ability/superhuman levels are difficult to gauge; they seem to fluctuate. One moment he's deflecting Thor's hammer, the next he's hurt bad from landing on a car roof.

I don't think the addition of Hawkeye to the fray made sense. Minimizing in order to give enough attention to the essential characters (Ironman, Hulk and Thor ... also Cap even though he was punching steel aliens with his fists ...).

The teseract (sp) cube was here again as a plot device. It's workmanlike. The villain was workmanlike - nothing more. I don't know why they chose the weakest villain (impact wise) in the entire movie series to take the lead here.

If you're a Marvel fan and you've seen the origins story behind the Avengers,
nothing here will surprise you. It's like a 220 mil version of an Avengers
cartoon. This is not a bad thing necessarily.

If you're a more is better person and if you're forgiving when it comes to accuracy in translating comic book figures onto the screen you will find this movie to be a mix of action, sci-fi, comic relief and CGI... like tossing Independence Day, Transformers, The Dark Knight, Saturday Morning Cartoons, Men in Black and and any random war movie into a blender.

I'm not sure where they go from here. I saw the credits and obviously we know who the next villain will be ... there needs to be a motivating, convincing and compelling plot device at the center of the story to explain why these characters are all in action. A cube with "unlimited power" was a tad cliché.

This is definitely a movie worth seeing in theaters. People really shouldn't blow it and wait for a DVD - it won't be the same.

I give it 7.8 out of 10 for tackling an immense project and mostly succeeding. This movie is a landmark for a number of reasons. We've got an entire Marvel Universe now that can interact with itself and supply more and more comic book movies to those who consume them.

That being said ... for whatever reason I didn't have that feeling at the end of the movie that ... "I want to see this again ad nauseum times".

[Max-Hammerhands]

What is the run time of Avengers ?

My session was at 9:45am. After about 2-3 trailers (which didn't have Batman or Spiderman trailers) and after the post-credit scene I left the theatre at 12:20.

[BigThor]

Cap using his shield to block Mjolnir doesn't have anything to do with his strength, it's the fact that his shield is made of vibranium which absorbs impact.

[BrianVan]

How bout the scene in germany how does that go down?

[Vulklin]

i would also like to add to that question

why is it in germany in the first place, i thought the invasion was new york based?

[WhiteKnight]

why is it in germany in the first place, i thought the invasion was new york based?

An rare element that Loki needs to open a stable portal using the Tesseract is located in Germany. He travels there with a mind-controlled Hawkeye to steal it from a lab.

Since his arrival on Earth, SHIELD has been running facial recognition software on surveillance cameras all over the world, and they pick up Loki's image in Germany, so they send Cap in.

[munchie64]

Just got back from seeing it first day in Australia, and I must say I'm pretty blown away. That first scene could easily be the finale of a lesser action movie, and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Has anyone that's on now seen the movie? I really want to talk about:

Agent Coulson no longer being the constant in these movies :csad:
and of course
Thanos
With someone.


Edit: Also happy to answer questions too.

[WhiteKnight]

What is the run time of Avengers ?

The official run time is 142 minutes and a bit, which many are rounding up to 143 minutes.

[Max-Hammerhands]

i would also like to add to that question

why is it in germany in the first place, i thought the invasion was new york based?

That scene happens early on in the movie. It is a very cool scene for Loki and Cap. There a a perfectly good plot-related reason why they are there so I won'tgive out more info then that.

[Max-Hammerhands]

Just got back from seeing it first day in Australia, and I must say I'm pretty blown away. That first scene could easily be the finale of a lesser action movie, and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Has anyone that's on now seen the movie? I really want to talk about:

Agent Coulson no longer being the constant in these movies :csad:
and of course
Thanos
With someone.


Edit: Also happy to answer questions too.

I saw it today too and am still psyched and just want to talk about the film. I'll repost an earlier post I made today:

Ok, finally have time to share my thoughts on the movie. For the record, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and definitely the best superhero film to date (for me at least). The fact that I feel the need to discuss it here is indication of how much I was into the movie. There have already been people far more articulate and knowledgeable about film then I singing it's praises so I won't go over that again. I want to share some nit picks I had with the movie not to be a ****head troll, but just to generate discussion with others who have seen it to see what their opinion is.


1) The "death"
I didn't buy the impact the death had on the team. They did a fantastic job in making the deceased a character that the audience connected with and rooted for but I can't understand why it affected the team so much in the context of the film. Especially Iron Man - sure Pepper apparently has a friendly relationship with him but I haven't seen anything in any film that indicated Stark considered him a friend of any kind, much less be as devastated as he was. To me it felt too fabricated - I could not see why his death would have more impact then all the other agents that were dropping like flies. And to clarify, I'm really only talking about the Big 4 as I could see why it would affect Fury, Widow and Hawkeye.

2) Hulk
With all the hype about Banner and Hulk, I walked away feeling a bit "meh" about his involvement. Perhaps I hold a higher expectation of the Hulk since he is one of my favourite characters but I can't see where all this talk about Hulk stealing the film is coming from. Ruffalo did a fine job but I can't see what he did that would make people think he is 100 times better then Norton. If anything, I feel that any decent actor could have done what Ruffalo pulled off, there was nothing so fantastic about his performance that made me think he was the highlight as I've heard mention countless times. I'm well aware I'm in the minority here so I would like to hear other's feedback on why they would claim Ruffalo to be a standout.
I was taken out of the movie in certain times during the Hulk vs Thor fight as the CGI was questionable and unfortunately you have seen about 60% of the Hulk's involvement in the final epic fight in the trailers and TV spots. This hulk is the most consistent then any other hulk that has been seen on film but did not (IMO) live up to the stills we've seen that made us think this CGI character would be the best thing ever. With LOTR two towers for example, I was never once taken out of the movie when Gollum appeared on the scene. I cannot say the same for hulk. Do not be fooled, he is nowhere near the best CGI creation to ever exist as I've heard others proclaim from the stills alone.

3) After credit scene
Maybe I'm going crazy, but regarding the "reveal" did his hand look like a human hand to anyone else? It was a quick shot so I could be completely wrong but the shot of his hand did not look purple or gloved, it looked like a human hand coming down. Obviously this isn't the case as the final shot lingers on his face for about 5-10 secs and there's no mistaking who it's meant to be.
[/SPOILER]


That's about all I can think of for now. To repeat, I really really liked the movie (I refrain from saying "love" as I have to watch it a few more times) but I'm trying to generate discussion that isn't just a fanboy wank fest - we're all fanboys but we don't all have to be mindless drones that like everything Marvel serve at us without question.

[BrianVan]

So what does cap exactly do? Hope there is a little confrontation between the two of them.
Sorry this is for the germany scene.

[munchie64]

In response to Max-Hammerhands:
1) The death was definitely meant to be more of a shock to the audience to the characters. I could here a collective gasp when it happened. I found that Tony was used as a reasoning for it in-universe wise, probably since he had the biggest connection to the guy of the big 4, but I agree it didn't make complete sense.

2) I wasn't really taken out of the Hulk scenes because I'm more of a person who has a hard time keeping up with action, rather then finding faults in it. Also, funny note, Hulk probably got the biggest laughs at my screening, from what he did to Thor and Loki in the final battle.

3) I noticed the too, at the start, but soon forgot it when I realised who the behind the scenes villain was.

Also: I'm very glad to say that the big fours screen times seem to be pretty much the same, with a slight leaning towards Cap and Stark.

[WhiteKnight]

So what does cap exactly do? Hope there is a little confrontation between the two of them.
Sorry this is for the germany scene.

Cap arrives as Loki is trying to get a crowd of people to kneel before him. He says something about how the last time he was in Germany, there was a guy trying to do the same thing too.

They proceed to fight. Cap isn't really a match for Loki, especially once Loki deflects his shield and he isn't able to use it. But Cap, as always, never gives up and keeps fighting. Suddenly, the Quinjet (which he arrived on) starts blasting rock music through its public address system. Turns out Tony Stark has hacked into the system and plays the music for his own grand entrance as Iron Man. He promptly takes Loki out, although it's clear that everyone realises it was all a little too easy...

[thalidomide]

In response to Max-Hammerhands:
1) The death was definitely meant to be more of a shock to the audience to the characters. I could here a collective gasp when it happened. I found that Tony was used as a reasoning for it in-universe wise, probably since he had the biggest connection to the guy of the big 4, but I agree it didn't make complete sense.

2) I wasn't really taken out of the Hulk scenes because I'm more of a person who has a hard time keeping up with action, rather then finding faults in it. Also, funny note, Hulk probably got the biggest laughs at my screening, from what he did to Thor and Loki in the final battle.

3) I noticed the too, at the start, but soon forgot it when I realised who the behind the scenes villain was.

Also: I'm very glad to say that the big fours screen times seem to be pretty much the same, with a slight leaning towards Cap and Stark.


This is going to be epic.

[munchie64]

So what does cap exactly do? Hope there is a little confrontation between the two of them.
Sorry this is for the germany scene.
There is a little fight, but remember that Loki is a "god" and Cap is just a very strong man.

On an unrelated topic:
I loved the line Cap gave about there being only one god and that it isn't Loki

[beyond_death]

@Max-Hammerhands about the ending credits scene:

I'm glad you brought it up because I thought i was the only one. The hand seemed shockly human-like to me, probably because I knew before hand who it belonged to. But he's probably played by an actor with a mix of CGI and prosthetics.

[WhiteKnight]

@Max-Hammerhands about the ending credits scene:

I'm glad you brought it up because I thought i was the only one. The hand seemed shockly human-like to me, probably because I knew before hand who it belonged to. But he's probably played by an actor with a mix of CGI and prosthetics.

Pretty sure the human-like hand didn't belong to Thanos, but belonged to the Chitauri general instead. Because at the start of the scene, he's seen kneeling before someone and reporting. Then he gets up (when you see the hand) and says his final line. Thanos has been standing in front of him looking away the whole time, and only turns towards the camera and smiles at the very end.

[Max-Hammerhands]

In response to Max-Hammerhands:
1) The death was definitely meant to be more of a shock to the audience to the characters. I could here a collective gasp when it happened. I found that Tony was used as a reasoning for it in-universe wise, probably since he had the biggest connection to the guy of the big 4, but I agree it didn't make complete sense.

2) I wasn't really taken out of the Hulk scenes because I'm more of a person who has a hard time keeping up with action, rather then finding faults in it. Also, funny note, Hulk probably got the biggest laughs at my screening, from what he did to Thor and Loki in the final battle.

3) I noticed the too, at the start, but soon forgot it when I realised who the behind the scenes villain was.

Also: I'm very glad to say that the big fours screen times seem to be pretty much the same, with a slight leaning towards Cap and Stark.

Yeah hulk got the biggest laughs, in particular punching thor and slamming loki around. BTW, something I haven't seen anyone mention yet is how Iron Man almost used that lazer attack thing from IM2 on a leviathan before Jarvis advises he will expel most of his power by doing so. I almost got the impression that the writers have written themselves into a corner when he did that move in IM2 as now they have to figure out reasons why he doesn't use it in every fight. Definitely not a big thing, just something cool I noticed in how they incorporated aspects of the solo movies into this.

[Saitou Hajime]

Cap arrives as Loki is trying to get a crowd of people to kneel before him. He says something about how the last time he was in Germany, there was a guy trying to do the same thing too.



I like that the stage is set up by a lone elderly man refusing to yield to Loki:

Loki: In the end, you will always kneel.
Old man: *gets off his knees* Not to men like you.
Loki: There are no men like me.
Old man: There are ALWAYS men like you.

[Max-Hammerhands]

Pretty sure the human-like hand didn't belong to Thanos, but belonged to the Chitauri general instead. Because at the start of the scene, he's seen kneeling before someone and reporting. Then he gets up (when you see the hand) and says his final line. Thanos has been standing in front of him looking away the whole time, and only turns towards the camera and smiles at the very end.

Maybe it was the 3D, the darkness of the scene etc but I couldn't tell wtf the general guy was talking to. I thought he was talking to a throne that was facing the opposite direction. When the hand was shown, I thought it was his hand resting down on the armrest. For me it was difficult to make out. But that face is definitely unmistakeable. And i LOVED that he reacted to the "courting death" line. It's a strong indication that his motives will be the same as the comics. .

[WhiteKnight]

Maybe it was the 3D, the darkness of the scene etc but I couldn't tell wtf the general guy was talking to. I thought he was talking to a throne that was facing the opposite direction. When the hand was shown, I thought it was his hand resting down on the armrest. For me it was difficult to make out. But that face is definitely unmistakeable. And i LOVED that he reacted to the "courting death" line. It's a strong indication that his motives will be the same as the comics. .

Yeah, that (and the opening scene also set in space) were the two scenes that I thought the 3D worked against because they were so dark. You could barely see what was going on.

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

on a much lighter note, i just read this on IMDB :woot:

the guy is an avid comic book fan apparently :oldrazz:

is this even more of fail than amy nicholson's nick frost moment? :doh:

That guy can't be serious, EPIC FAIL!

[BrianVan]

This movie is going to be amazing!!!!!!!

[munchie64]

Yeah hulk got the biggest laughs, in particular punching thor and slamming loki around. BTW, something I haven't seen anyone mention yet is how Iron Man almost used that lazer attack thing from IM2 on a leviathan before Jarvis advises he will expel most of his power by doing so. I almost got the impression that the writers have written themselves into a corner when he did that move in IM2 as now they have to figure out reasons why he doesn't use it in every fight. Definitely not a big thing, just something cool I noticed in how they incorporated aspects of the solo movies into this.
Ah didn't even think about the Iron Man thing, yeah pretty odd.
I absolutely loved how they dealt with the solo movies
From explaining what SHIELD did to Jane to Tony mentioning that his father talked about Cap. All very good. The doctor from Thor (really can't remember his name) also had a larger role then expected.

[Max-Hammerhands]

I also liked the allusions they made to other characters and organisations:

*shield protecting banner by throwing others off his scent - must have been a reference to Thunderbolt Ross.
* Hawkeye's remark while mind controlled to Dr Selvig that there are many agencies looking at taking shield down - this could be a reference to Hydra or A.I.M.
* Cap's memories while smashing the punching bag - curious that his is the only character where they decided to show footage from his old movie. Iliked that he is still thinking of Peggy and it sucks to no end that Whedon felt he needed to not include the scene where Cap meets her.

[Vulklin]

I have seen the Thanos scene on youtube

it was very dark, but i put that down to it being a dodgy upload

please say that in 2D, I don't care for 3D, in 2D the scene well lit

its not AVP requiem dark is it?

[BrianVan]

I have seen the Thanos scene on youtube

it was very dark, but i put that down to it being a dodgy upload

please say that in 2D, I don't care for 3D, in 2D the scene well lit

its not AVP requiem dark is it?

Just watched the scene to it wont be there for very long but it is very epic!!!

[Somersa2]

Munchie64 can you say how the first scene plays out as you said could act as I finale for a lesser action film sounds decent

[Hotwire]

FYI, the mid-credits scene is up on YouTube!! Well, for a little while, anyway. Just search what you think you would search.

[munchie64]

Munchie64 can you say how the first scene plays out as you said could act as I finale for a lesser action film sounds decent
Well, it's just very epic. Lots of stunts, explosions, gun fights, car chases, mass destruction, a feeling of hopelessness for the main characters. All the tropes of a final action scene, within the first scene of the film. And all without a single superhero in it. It does have Robin Scherbatsky though :oldrazz:

[Gamma Goliath]

that scene gave me chills!

[jonathancrane]

Just watched the scene to it wont be there for very long but it is very epic!!!

Agreed!

I cannot wait until next week arrives, bringing the film with it!

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah, that (and the opening scene also set in space) were the two scenes that I thought the 3D worked against because they were so dark. You could barely see what was going on.

Ya it was impossible to make out most of it .... except for you-know-who's face.

[Rock Sexton]

FYI, the mid-credits scene is up on YouTube!! Well, for a little while, anyway. Just search what you think you would search.

Damnit, I want to see his face again!

EDIT: Got it. Downloaded it too so I have it to geek over for the next week until I get to see this movie again.

[jonathancrane]

Damnit, I want to see his face again!

EDIT: Got it. Downloaded it too so I have it to geek over for the next week until I get to see this movie again.

I did the same thing.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I'm getting tired of you asking the SAME question over and over, I'm seriously considering putting him on ignore.

A guy who goes by "BigThor" is going to put you on ignore for complaining about Thor, that should tell you something.



Understood Rock :up:

You getting tired of me? Yourself are reading that while Thor has good moments, the rest have AWSOME moments... and his biggest scene is when he's lightning a lot of spaceships (and he's not even floating in the aire, he's holding of a building)... it's not that i'm the pessimistic one, it's just the truth. The God of Thunder is in a battle and IM, Cap and Hulk will have awsome moments at that battle.

[silverskull_86]

Don't know if this has been mention already (sorry if it has), but in the final sequence where they wrap up each hero individually, there's a blink and you'll miss it reference to Tony remodeling Stark Tower to accommodate the team (which I assume will lead to its informal name of the Avengers Tower as it is in the comics).

You'll see (very quickly) as he rolls out his digital blueprint that a floor as been dedicated to each hero as represented with a unique symbol for each (Cap's shield, etc.).

Be sure to keep an eye out for it. :cwink:

[TTFN]

I can't find the mid credit scene dammit! It must have been taken down. :(

[BAXWAR]

I can't find the mid credit scene dammit! It must have been taken down. :(

pm'd

[thafngame24]

Is there also a scene after the credits or is it just the mid credit scene?

[BAXWAR]

Is there also a scene after the credits or is it just the mid credit scene?

mid only is all we know. There is speculation that there may be something else but no one has proven it.

[sidewave]

I guess I missed the mid credits scene, searched for it under every name I thought it would come up under on youtube, must have got taken down.

[Euthanatos12]

on a much lighter note, i just read this on IMDB :woot:

the guy is an avid comic book fan apparently :oldrazz:

is this even more of fail than amy nicholson's nick frost moment? :doh:

It's total fail. The guy claims to go to comic con and "know" a lot about the Marvel universe, but he thinks Black Widow is Scarlet Witch. He is just one of those people dropping names to sound like he's a "trusted nerd of authority" so everyone can value his opinion.

Yet he doesn't understand that Captain America's shield is made of vibranium, so it can absorb a hit from Thor without him taking the brunt of the impact, but landing on a car from a great height still injures him because he doesn't have superhuman/godly endurance, he has enhanced or peak-human endurance.

He's attempting to over-analyze and apply realistic scientific logic to things like Tony Stark attaching his armor in mid-air via advanced "bracelets".

He's undervaluing characters like Hawkeye and Widow because he feels they don't fit in, in spite of their heroics and displays of skill. It's not like Widow is taking down Leviathans, so what is his issue? Alien footsoldiers are too much for him to accept her fighting?

And the Tesseract? Well, that's the reason Loki is even able to do what he's doing. That whole plot centers around Loki making a deal with *someone* to get him the cube in exchange for the army to invade and subjugate Earth. I fail to see how Loki is a weak villain. Is he imposing? No. Is he sinister and intelligent and full of schemes? Absolutely. He's also well-acted.

Lastly, does this guy who "knows" so much realize that Loki was the reason the Avengers formed in the first place? It's been done the way it SHOULD be done, and I pity the fool who thinks otherwise :BA

(PS. I'm quite sure, during the credits scene, that *villain's* hands do indeed look human. I have the clip saved on my computer and have rewatched it many times. Not sure if it's an oversight or what the issue is, but his hands look totally regular)

[sidewave]

It's total fail. The guy claims to go to comic con and "know" a lot about the Marvel universe, but he thinks Black Widow is Scarlet Witch. He is just one of those people dropping names to sound like he's a "trusted nerd of authority" so everyone can value his opinion.

Yet he doesn't understand that Captain America's shield is made of vibranium, so it can absorb a hit from Thor without him taking the brunt of the impact, but landing on a car from a great height still injures him because he doesn't have superhuman/godly endurance, he has enhanced or peak-human endurance.

He's attempting to over-analyze and apply realistic scientific logic to things like Tony Stark attaching his armor in mid-air via advanced "bracelets".

He's undervaluing characters like Hawkeye and Widow because he feels they don't fit in, in spite of their heroics and displays of skill. It's not like Widow is taking down Leviathans, so what is his issue? Alien footsoldiers are too much for him to accept her fighting?

And the Tesseract? Well, that's the reason Loki is even able to do what he's doing. That whole plot centers around Loki making a deal with *someone* to get him the cube in exchange for the army to invade and subjugate Earth. I fail to see how Loki is a weak villain. Is he imposing? No. Is he sinister and intelligent and full of schemes? Absolutely. He's also well-acted.

Lastly, does this guy who "knows" so much realize that Loki was the reason the Avengers formed in the first place? It's been done the way it SHOULD be done, and I pity the fool who thinks otherwise :BA

(PS. I'm quite sure, during the credits scene, that *villain's* hands do indeed look human. I have the clip saved on my computer and have rewatched it many times. Not sure if it's an oversight or what the issue is, but his hands look totally regular)

From what I can tell there's 2 people in that scene, one is the person we hear speaking and he appears to be humanish and is kneeling down before Thanos

[Euthanatos12]

From what I can tell there's 2 people in that scene, one is the person we hear speaking and he appears to be humanish and is kneeling down before Thanos

Yes, he's kneeling there speaking to *villain*. He's presumably a Chitauri and he has a hood and weird face that you can only partially see.

When he says that humans cannot be ruled, the scene cuts to the human-like hand basically getting off of an arm rest of some sort, and then cuts to *villain* who is seen rising as if getting up from a chair. It doesn't look like *villain* was sitting at first, but the scene is so dark from a distance that it's hard to make out every fine detail.

Needless to say, after watching the scene dozens of times, I'm quite sure that hand belonged to *villain*.

[Vulklin]

the way they have edited it makes me almost certain the hand belongs to "sitting down" as opposed to "kneeling down"

then again it might be dances with wolves :oldrazz:

[BigThor]

You getting tired of me? Yourself are reading that while Thor has good moments, the rest have AWSOME moments... and his biggest scene is when he's lightning a lot of spaceships (and he's not even floating in the aire, he's holding of a building)... it's not that i'm the pessimistic one, it's just the truth. The God of Thunder is in a battle and IM, Cap and Hulk will have awsome moments at that battle.

Yeah I'm about to put you on my ignore list now, clearly there are more people saying Thor has awesome moments than those saying the opposite.

Stop being unreasonable dude, there's also a reason why he's holding on to the building and not floating in the air so how about you watch the damn movie before you ***** and complain.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Yeah I'm about to put you on my ignore list now, clearly there are more people saying Thor has awesome moments than those saying the opposite.

Stop being unreasonable dude, there's also a reason why he's holding on to the building and not floating in the air so how about you watch the damn movie before you ***** and complain.

Sorry man, i just get sick 'cause Thor vs IM will be a draw. But, i admmit that i'm alreay annoying all of you with the same thing.

[BigThor]

Sorry man, i just get sick 'cause Thor vs IM will be a draw. But, i admmit that i'm alreay annoying all of you with the same thing.

It's not going to be a draw how many times do you have to be told that Thor has the upperhand?

You can't expect Thor to trash Iron Man like in the comics and risk making him look bad to the GA, how is that so hard to understand?

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Quick question for those who have seen the movie. Was the Red Skull alluded to at all?

[Chris M]

Quick question for those who have seen the movie. Was the Red Skull alluded to at all?

Dissapointingly no.

Although to be honest I thought that Thanos was Red Skull at first :wow:

[Vartha]

Dissapointingly no.

Although to be honest I thought that Thanos was Red Skull at first :wow:I'd be bigtime Miffed if Marvel Made Red Skull into Thanos after being transported by the cube.

[Rock Sexton]

Dissapointingly no.

Although to be honest I thought that Thanos was Red Skull at first :wow:

Serious?

It was obvious from the first second I saw him who it was. Not to mention the "courting death" comment was a dead giveaway.

[Chris M]

I'd be bigtime Miffed if Marvel Made Red Skull into Thanos after being transported by the cube.

Thats a VERY interesting theory.

I just assumed I was wrong when I came here and found everyone saying it was Thanos - but the guy post credits has bright blue human eyes (from memory). Thats what made me think Red Skull.

(..also I thought he was red but then the lighting is very dark in the scene ;) )

[Rock Sexton]

Thats a VERY interesting theory.

I just assumed I was wrong when I came here and found everyone saying it was Thanos - but the guy post credits has bright blue human eyes (from memory). Thats what made me think Red Skull.

(..also I thought he was red but then the lighting is very dark in the scene ;) )

There's no theory to be had.

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah I'm about to put you on my ignore list now, clearly there are more people saying Thor has awesome moments than those saying the opposite.

Stop being unreasonable dude, there's also a reason why he's holding on to the building and not floating in the air so how about you watch the damn movie before you ***** and complain.

Too be fair, numbers don't necessarily tell the tale here. I don't think anyone is being dishonest, it is just that people's perspectives are just different. There are a number of factors that could effect how someone sees Thor in this film, including fandom and expectations.

[Rock Sexton]

Too be fair, numbers don't necessarily tell the tale here. I don't think anyone is being dishonest, it is just that people's perspectives are just different. There are a number of factors that could effect how someone sees Thor in this film, including fandom and expectations.

And Erik Lensrereeeefehjrfefer whatever his name is has ridiculous expectations.

[DarthSkywalker]

And Erik Lensrereeeefehjrfefer whatever his name is has ridiculous expectations.

Very possible.

By the way, do they confirm the alien race in the film?

[jaqua99]

Sorry man, i just get sick 'cause Thor vs IM will be a draw. But, i admmit that i'm alreay annoying all of you with the same thing.


Oh...MY....GOD.. People who have seen the movie are telling you Thor has the upper hand. Holy crap just let it go. Its not a draw


Congratulations, in just two days, you may have earned the title as THE most annoying person on this forum.

From this moment on out for as long as I exist on this forum, I will refer to you as "The Annoying One"

[Whiskey Tango]

i just get sick 'cause Thor vs IM will be a draw

http://i50.tinypic.com/dccu4j.jpg

[warcam]

:eek: Even more annoying than...................? No, I can't say it :hehe:

[herolee10]

So aside from how kick ass the Hulk was in the final battle along with how much more believable his appearance is compared to past interpretations, why do you guys feel (for those that have seen the film) that TA's Hulk is the best version of the character so far?

[Vulklin]

thanos being created from red skull and cube would soooooo annnoy comic book fans around the world

can't be that

but it does actually make sense lol

why else he got human hands?

i reckon a lot of general audience might think he is red skull as well, because they no idea who thanos is, there minds will drift back to captain america film and think oooh is it that red man dear? oooooh

[jaqua99]

So aside from how kick ass the Hulk was in the final battle along with how much more believable his appearance is compared to past interpretations, why do you guys feel (for those that have seen the film) that TA's Hulk is the best version of the character so far?

He wasn't, because he doesn't beat Ironman

-_-



All kidding aside. I can't say for sure since I haven't seen the movie. But in terms of appearance he takes the cake.


Sorry, read your post wrong

[Whiskey Tango]

thanos being created from red skull and cube

This is going to be one of those 'fan theories' than people keep bringing up no matter how stupid it sounds, isn't it?

[Vulklin]

So aside from how kick ass the Hulk was in the final battle along with how much more believable his appearance is compared to past interpretations, why do you guys feel (for those that have seen the film) that TA's Hulk is the best version of the character so far?

my perfect hulk movie would be the story and director of hulk 03 along with connelly and nolte and music

the avengers hulk and ruffalo as banner

the comedy of avengers cartoon hulk, with him talking

and throw in abomination monster from hulk 08, not tim roth though, just the monster

[jaqua99]

thanos being created from red skull and cube would soooooo annnoy comic book fans around the world

can't be that

but it does actually make sense lol

why else he got human hands?

i reckon a lot of general audience might think he is red skull as well, because they no idea who thanos is, there minds will drift back to captain america film and think oooh is it that red man dear? oooooh


Idk I mean. the red skull is still human. This is an alien talking to some guy. The alien is referring to mankind as humans, since he is not a human, and he is kneeling before this other villian we should naturally assume this other guy is not human either. So even to general audience people, he is probably some alien, or as far as they are concerned, that leader of chitauri.

[DarthSkywalker]

Obviously 60% is a number I've pulled out of my ass and not specific but what I was trying to convey is that, for the last battle at least, they showed ALOT of the hulk's involvement in trailers and stuff. The only things I can remember atm that were new to me were (SPOILERS - BEWARE):

1) Thor and Hulk battling together on top of leviathan
2) Banner transforming and taking out the leviathan in one punch
3) Hulk vs Loki

When you say 60% is that like actual screentime, or just scenes in general. Does the Hulk really only have about a minute worth of time?

[warcam]

I've danced around most of this thread for the last 2 weeks, so apologies if this has been discussed, but was there anything to that whole Jeffrey Wright rumor? Was Thanos all CGI, or is it possible Wright was playing him to some extent?

[Tim_Riggins]

Hulk looks incredible here, incredibly realistic, I still can't believe it, just seen the movie 4 hours ago, and I've just rewatched TIH 3 days ago, miles and miles above!

Thanos' face was CGI, very well done though. Looked EXACTLY like he does in the comic books.

[Vulklin]

but i am puzzled by the human hand and also eye colour, mostly the hand

[Tim_Riggins]

It was outstanding, like seriously, I'm still picking up my jaw, unbelievable. It takes 20 min to really start and then wow! Great acting, insane action, VFX, Hawkeye awesome, Hulk OMG, Iron Man FTW, Cap BADASS, Thor good looking mofo, smug Loki. And so so funny, great one liners. I'm def going back 4 times at least.

3D conversion is pretty good but dark and unnecessary, OH and the movie was projected in ****ing 2:35 on a 16x9 screen, yep you read that right, so picture chunks missing at top and bottom of the screen, heads were chopped off, I told one guy at the movie theater who called the projectionist who told him it was scope.

Scope my ass, I made sure to tell the guy that the clips on the net are 1:85 (or 78, not sure) and that the movie WAS shot in 1:85. Damn!

[Tim_Riggins]

but i am puzzled by the human hand and also eye colour, mostly the hand

I was a bit WTF?! about the human hand, that was weird yep.

[Vulklin]

It was outstanding, like seriously, I'm still picking up my jaw, unbelievable. It takes 20 min to really start and then wow! Great acting, insane action, VFX, Hawkeye awesome, Hulk OMG, Iron Man FTW, Cap BADASS, Thor good looking mofo, smug Loki. And so so funny, great one liners. I'm def going back 4 times at least.

3D conversion is pretty good but dark and unnecessary, OH and the movie was projected in ****ing 2:35 on a 16x9 screen, yep you read that right, so picture chunks missing at top and bottom of the screen, heads were chopped off, I told one guy at the movie theater who called the projectionist who told him it was scope.

Scope my ass, I made sure to tell the guy that the clips on the net are 1:85 (or 78, not sure) and that the movie WAS shot in 1:85. Damn!

heads chopped off?

you get money back?

i not gonna put up with anything like that

i would rather walk out, get money back and go back next day

[jaqua99]

Hulk looks incredible here, incredibly realistic, I still can't believe it, just seen the movie 4 hours ago, and I've just rewatched TIH 3 days ago, miles and miles above!

Thanos' face was CGI, very well done though. Looked EXACTLY like he does in the comic books.

Thanos was a prosthetic and cgi.

A guy on here, Dr. Sig Jawtug he claimed to have worked on set. Back in december he said thanos makes an appearance and he saw a prosthetic being applied to an actor. he then uploaded a picture of said prosthetic here for us to see. Everyone basically wrote him off as trolling, and a fake picture except me and a few other guys. I believed him. But since thanos is official, and this guy who claimed to work on set put a picture of a prosthetic, and said thanos was both cgi and prosthetic, then I will believe him.

[Tim_Riggins]

Well, take for example the full screen picture and put two black bars on it, top and bottom as in 2:35, the room was packed and I didnt want to walk out, I go again tomorrow in 2D and aspect ratio should be correct this time I hope.

And I have unlimited cinema anyway ;)


Oh one of the best scenes of the movie is definitely when they are all influenced by Loki's staff and they all get paranoid, with those weird camera angles, so so good


Mmmm both prosthetic and CGI?! Interesting, it was dark, so maybe why it looked so good, might not look as good if we see him in day time or something.

[Oberon sexton]

Thanos looked fairly CG, The purple may have thrown me off though.

[J.Howlett]

It was outstanding, like seriously, I'm still picking up my jaw, unbelievable. It takes 20 min to really start and then wow! Great acting, insane action, VFX, Hawkeye awesome, Hulk OMG, Iron Man FTW, Cap BADASS, Thor good looking mofo, smug Loki. And so so funny, great one liners. I'm def going back 4 times at least.

3D conversion is pretty good but dark and unnecessary, OH and the movie was projected in ****ing 2:35 on a 16x9 screen, yep you read that right, so picture chunks missing at top and bottom of the screen, heads were chopped off, I told one guy at the movie theater who called the projectionist who told him it was scope.

Scope my ass, I made sure to tell the guy that the clips on the net are 1:85 (or 78, not sure) and that the movie WAS shot in 1:85. Damn!

How the hell does the theatre mess up the aspect ratio that bad? I would've had them start the film completely over and have it set right.

[Tim_Riggins]

I dunno, first time it happened in like the hundreds of times I went to the movies, and the guy who told me that the projectionist kept telling him it was scope, LOL

But it was packed, not a single seat left, and once the movie started, I just put up with it, and I'm a purist, so a bit tough. As soon as the movie started, and I saw the two black bars, I was like "What the hell?!"/

Is it possible to have a fu cked up digital copy?! Like with wrong aspect ratio, it's just weird, the black bars seemed imprinted, so weird.

[Donstuie]

The only thing I didn't like from a story standpoint was
They make such a big deal about the folly of using nukes, and yet the very thing that ultimately kills the Chitauri is the nuke. So hypothetically, had they simply fired the nuke through the wormhole, they would've won.

Doesn't exactly fit with the whole "You have to believe in heroes" theme

[Rock Sexton]

Very possible.

By the way, do they confirm the alien race in the film?

Immediately. It's one of the first things you see/hear.

[Rock Sexton]

This is going to be one of those 'fan theories' than people keep bringing up no matter how stupid it sounds, isn't it?

Sadly.

[Chris M]

The only thing I didn't like from a story standpoint was
They make such a big deal about the folly of using nukes, and yet the very thing that ultimately kills the Chitauri is the nuke. So hypothetically, had they simply fired the nuke through the wormhole, they would've won.

Doesn't exactly fit with the whole "You have to believe in heroes" theme
That's a really good point, especially given the whole speech from Steve about the futility of a Nuclear Deterrent. Turns out that nuclear bombs are a good thing after all.

It was a little unnecessary - actually what irritated me was the whole destroy-the-base-and-you-deactivate-the-troops cliché. I cringed a little at that easy solution - especially considering they were living creatures not mindless drones. Ithink it would've been better if the Avengers had mopped up the remaining soldiers after the portal closed. That could've been communicated to the audience easily enough.

</nitpicking>

[lastairbender]

Finally saw it about 1 hour ago!! I think i cant sleep! lol

[lastairbender]

Everyone's great..I was surprised about Natasha. i didnt like her very much in iron man 2.
how do i put that spoilers hiding tags!

[lastairbender]

I didnt like the alien army very much...we cant see them very well. Always moving and not enough close ups..they seem kind of stupid...look like they are there just to be killed, not a big threaten! And the way they die in the end...a bit..stupid also!

[TonyHulkedSBTB]

I've been scrounging all the details I can(it's not may 4th yet, NOOOOOOOOO:cmad:) and I have one(spoilery, and quite specific)question:
Tony tells Bruce about the Arc Reactor?! OMG! What does he say, how does Bruce react?! My inner otp meter is going nuts, someone must help me!!
Thanks!

[Donstuie]

Everyone's great..I was surprised about Natasha. i didnt like her very much in iron man 2.
I particularly liked her "interrogation" of Loki. Very nicely done

how do i put that spoilers hiding tags!
Use this bad boy at the top of the control panel http://forums.superherohype.com/images/editor/spoiler.gif

[lastairbender]

Loved where the camera goes from one hero to the other and to the other in only one shot while they are fighting in the city by the the end. Great scene.

I think this is what comic book fans would like a comic book movie based would be!

Thats what an X-men movie needs (sorry..love x-men a lot)

By the way, thats 2 movies with alien invasions in one week (the other is battleship...whatchable..!)

[lastairbender]

[QUOTE=Donstuie;23050605]I particularly liked her "interrogation" of Loki. Very nicely done


thats right! That scene was great... thats whats great about the movie.there are great scenes, and not specifically action scenes...

[alexlachiusa]

That's a really good point, especially given the whole speech from Steve about the futility of a Nuclear Deterrent. Turns out that nuclear bombs are a good thing after all.

It was a little unnecessary - actually what irritated me was the whole destroy-the-base-and-you-deactivate-the-troops cliché. I cringed a little at that easy solution - especially considering they were living creatures not mindless drones. Ithink it would've been better if the Avengers had mopped up the remaining soldiers after the portal closed. That could've been communicated to the audience easily enough.

</nitpicking>

Actually I thought the Chi'Tauri were machines. Not completely but they were partly mechanical. A lot of them sparked when they were killed, like when Cap cut off one's arm in front of the two cops, and the leviathan's were definitely part machine.

[lastairbender]

By the way, how does Hulk is able to control himself in the end?

[Nathan]

It's 3AM and I just got back from the midnight Premiere of The Avengers and it was glorious. So many heroes, so many great actors and they actually pulled it off. I still can't believe it. This movie is everything I ever wanted and more. Sure, I have a few nitpicks, but the overwhelmingly good, outweighs the little bad the Movie had.

[Vulklin]

By the way, how does Hulk is able to control himself in the end?

he has learned to control his anger before movie starts

the reason he loses it midway through is because of loki making him lose control

so once loki mind control effects are gone, banner has complete control again

thats what people say anyway :oldrazz:

[Oberon sexton]

I've been scrounging all the details I can(it's not may 4th yet, NOOOOOOOOO:cmad:) and I have one(spoilery, and quite specific)question:
Tony tells Bruce about the Arc Reactor?! OMG! What does he say, how does Bruce react?! My inner otp meter is going nuts, someone must help me!!
Thanks!
they start tearfully making out. Ya happy now? :oldrazz:

[Endeavor]

thanos being created from red skull and cube would soooooo annnoy comic book fans around the world

can't be that

but it does actually make sense lol

why else he got human hands?

i reckon a lot of general audience might think he is red skull as well, because they no idea who thanos is, there minds will drift back to captain america film and think oooh is it that red man dear? oooooh

Here's why it doesn't make sense:
His servant is giving him a report on humans, explaining how what they had been told wasn't accurate... If MCU Thanos was an evolved Red Skull he wouldn't need anybody telling him about humans.

[Vulklin]

Here's why it doesn't make sense:
His servant is giving him a report on humans, explaining how what they had been told wasn't accurate... If MCU Thanos was an evolved Red Skull he wouldn't need anybody telling him about humans.

maybe what seems a year or two for us, is actually millenia for thanos, maybe he has been travelling through time and forgotten his origin as red skull :oldrazz:

maybe he died as red skull and was brought back by death as thanos, but with human hands, cos death likes to tease him :oldrazz:

i don't think it red skull, but i do wanna know he got human looking hands :huh:

[lastairbender]

I think there are certain humorous scenes that felt a bit off..and some technical and scientific conversations between characters that i think are a bit confusing for a first viewing..i found myself asking "wtf are they saying?In english please!"

theres also another scene where they are discussing with each other at the same time that was well done..

[Pond]

My interpretation of Hulk is that Banner, instead of repressing anger, wich never really works as repressed anger will always explode in your face with more fierce than ever, he has learned to accept anger and try to control how much of it he can bare without to transform.

Its a nice metaphor, very whedonesque, about a man accepting who he is instead of hiding from who he is, triyng to accept his darker side and try to control it instead of just making up the fable that he has none.

Of course, not even that sistem can be absolutely perfect; you can try to control your anger, but that doesnt mean it will always saty unde your foot; emotions dont work that way, so if something hapens, like an explosion, that makes him loose control, or anger just does what it always does; it goes its own way.

It reminded me of the fourt season of BUffy episode New Moon Rising, where Werewolf came back to the girl he loved and left when he became a monster because he had learned to control the beast inside and had not transformed in months, even in fullmoon. And despite him very civil and understanding that she could have fallen in love while he was away, when he finds out thats the case, he looses it and transforms.

Emotions. You can control them to a point, but then...

[Rock Sexton]

I think there are certain humorous scenes that felt a bit off..and some technical and scientific conversations between characters that i think are a bit confusing for a first viewing..i found myself asking "wtf are they saying?In english please!"

theres also another scene where they are discussing with each other at the same time that was well done..

Ya, the first time Banner and Stark get to talking science I seriously felt like Cap did .... just a big ol' Huh??????

[Endeavor]

he has learned to control his anger before movie starts

the reason he loses it midway through is because of loki making him lose control

so once loki mind control effects are gone, banner has complete control again

thats what people say anyway :oldrazz:

Banner reveals towards end that what's helped him keep more control is that he's always angry (I guess implying that he's had to dealt with anger so much in the years he's been on the run that it's emotion he's now more comfortable with and therefore can manage better).
Loki was influencing Banner/Hulk and everybody else. Once those effects are gone Hulk is no longer violent against the Avengers (mostly), but it's not like Banner's persona is in full control while he is transformed either.

[Vulklin]

is it as confusing as star trek technobabble?

[Nathan]

Did anyone else not like that lackey with the extra thumb? Compared to everyone and anyone else, he kinda felt out of place. The overall design just didn't seem really impressive and actually cheap.

[Endeavor]

maybe what seems a year or two for us, is actually millenia for thanos, maybe he has been travelling through time and forgotten his origin as red skull :oldrazz:

maybe he died as red skull and was brought back by death as thanos, but with human hands, cos death likes to tease him :oldrazz:

i don't think it red skull, but i do wanna know he got human looking hands :huh:

I think that's a lot of maybes and honestly I doubt it's something either Joss or Marvel would want to do with both characters.

The answer to your hands question might be as simple as unfinished effects or maybe they just didnt think it was important to focus on for something that was on screen for half a second.

[Rock Sexton]

Did anyone else not like that lackey with the extra thumb? Compared to everyone and anyone else, he kinda felt out of place. The overall design just didn't seem really impressive and actually cheap.

To whom are you referring? The Chitauri General?

[Nathan]

If that's the dude who was talking to Loki, then yes. It was the only time I was thinking "Wow, that guy belongs in Power Rangers.", because I thought he looked so cheap.

[lastairbender]

Didnt like the chitauri general..looked like a power ranger!

Its 3 am here..need to sleep..i cant lol..i must..

[Rock Sexton]

I think that's a lot of maybes and honestly I doubt it's something either Joss or Marvel would want to do with both characters.

The answer to your hands question might be as simple as unfinished effects or maybe they just didnt think it was important to focus on for something that was on screen for half a second.

I thought maybe the scene was edited wrong and we were actually seeing the general's hand as he's kneeling. It did seem too small to be that of Thanos.

[Endeavor]

I thought maybe the scene was edited wrong and we were actually seeing the general's hand as he's kneeling. It did seem to small to be that of Thanos.

Good point. That's another possibility.

[Rock Sexton]

If that's the dude who was talking to Loki, then yes. It was the only time I was thinking "Wow, that guy belongs in Power Rangers.", because I thought he looked so cheap.

Interesting.

I dunno, I didn't have issue with how he looked .... but moreso because he's just there. I thought they rushed that element. All I know is they said no Skrulls in this film, but the guy's chin looked just like one. Then again Thanos has those lines in his too and the Chitauri were serving him.

[Nathan]

Didnt like the chitauri general..looked like a power ranger!

Its 3 am here..need to sleep..i cant lol..i must..

Half past 3 here. Not sleepy at all. Because I was wise enough to take a 3-4 hour nap before attending the midnight premiere. :woot:

[Saitou Hajime]

My interpretation of Hulk is that Banner, instead of repressing anger, wich never really works as repressed anger will always explode in your face with more fierce than ever, he has learned to accept anger and try to control how much of it he can bare without to transform.

Its a nice metaphor, very whedonesque, about a man accepting who he is instead of hiding from who he is, triyng to accept his darker side and try to control it instead of just making up the fable that he has none.

Of course, not even that sistem can be absolutely perfect; you can try to control your anger, but that doesnt mean it will always saty unde your foot; emotions dont work that way, so if something hapens, like an explosion, that makes him loose control, or anger just does what it always does; it goes its own way.

It reminded me of the fourt season of BUffy episode New Moon Rising, where Werewolf came back to the girl he loved and left when he became a monster because he had learned to control the beast inside and had not transformed in months, even in fullmoon. And despite him very civil and understanding that she could have fallen in love while he was away, when he finds out thats the case, he looses it and transforms.

Emotions. You can control them to a point, but then...

Wow, great callback. Now that you mention it, Stark zapping Banner to tease a a Hulk-out was sort of reminiscent of when the Initiative was doing the same to Oz.

[412smb412]

Interesting.

I dunno, I didn't have issue with how he looked .... but moreso because he's just there. I thought they rushed that element. All I know is they said no Skrulls in this film, but the guy's chin looked just like one. Then again Thanos has those lines in his too and the Chitauri were serving him.

theres a few links out there for the bootleg end scene. from what i can see its thanos' hand as he PUSHES on the chair to get up (and the camera actual focusses on his very well on his hand with some sort of bracelet on it), the general kneels and bows his head and continues talking to thanos and says the court death speech. another thing to notice is that the so called 'general' is wearing a mask... and his face is actually human...is this another marvel villain and not a 'general'.

[Rock Sexton]

theres a few links out there for the bootleg end scene. from what i can see its thanos' hand as he PUSHES on the chair to get up (and the camera actual focusses on his very well on his hand with some sort of bracelet on it), the general kneels and bows his head and continues talking to thanos and says the court death speech. another thing to notice is that the so called 'general' is wearing a mask... and his face is actually human...is this another marvel villain and not a 'general'.

You have to see it in the theater. You get clear straight on shots of the lower half of the general's face in the movie. His face is nothing like a human.

[412smb412]

You have to see it in the theater. You get clear straight on shots of the lower half of the general's face in the movie. His face is nothing like a human.

how bout the hand?

[Rock Sexton]

how bout the hand?

I was too busy trying to focus in on what they were trying to show me that I don't remember seeing the hand too well. The hand thing happens so fast that there wasn't much time to stare at it. Then they fed me Thanos and I joyed. LOL.

I say again though, the general is not human whatsoever.

[itchyscratch]

I say again though, the general is not human whatsoever.

If he is human he needs to see his dentist asap.

[Chris M]

I was too busy trying to focus in on what they were trying to show me that I don't remember seeing the hand too well. The hand thing happens so fast that there wasn't much time to stare at it. Then they fed me Thanos and I joyed. LOL.

I say again though, the general is not human whatsoever.

Seconded- he certainly ain't human. I thought he was the same species as the soldiers, but I could be wrong.

[Nathan]

how bout the hand?

He's got extra fingers.

[Vulklin]

how much popcorn would you throw at the screen in rage mode, if thanos said this at some point in avengers 2

"talk to the hand....cos the face ain't listenin......."

[HighFivingMF]

how much popcorn would you throw at the screen in rage mode, if thanos said this at some point in avengers 2

"talk to the hand....cos the face ain't listenin......."

I'd make a million IMDb accounts and make sure that it stays at #1 on the top 250 for the rest of my life.

[venom420]

dont flame me on this im just grasping at straws here....

but they show thanos' eyes as glowing blue and his hand being human, could this perhaps mean that loki is somehow manipulatingthanos?
just a thought since ive heard people say that people under the effect of lokis mind control have bright blue eyes...or did they say black...if black then just ignore this lmao

[Rock Sexton]

dont flame me on this im just grasping at straws here....

but they show thanos' eyes as glowing blue and his hand being human, could this perhaps mean that loki is somehow manipulating thanos?
just a thought since ive heard people say that people under the effect of lokis mind control have bright blue eyes...or did they say black...if black then just ignore this lmao

Loki never meets Thanos, only the general He would've had to touch him with the staff, but then again the staff was given to him by them.

[Vulklin]

maybe they can do some finishing touches on his hand at some point?

[Chris M]

Did anyone else notice the Infinity Gems embedded into the stone in the final scene

[irapogi]

for everyone saying the movie's not special in 3d, maybe its the kind of 3d? cos i saw it in IMAX 3d last night, and it.is.brilliant.

[Vulklin]

another thing i did not like about the mid credits scene was the music that started playing straight after

the main theme would have been much more epic and suitable

thanos grinning, cut to main theme, not a fan of whatever song that started playing

[The Shrike]

Puny God. :hulk:

[jonathancrane]

I have not seen an answer for this - and if I have missed it, forgive me for reasking - but how does/what does Banner use to monitor/prevent his transformations? Someone a few thread-parts ago mentioned how clever it is, and... dang it, I would like to know, as I could use another bit of information to gnaw on until next Friday.

[Nathan]

I have not seen an answer for this - and if I have missed it, forgive me for reasking - but how does/what does Banner use to monitor/prevent his transformations? Someone a few thread-parts ago mentioned how clever it is, and... dang it, I would like to know, as I could use another bit of information to gnaw on until next Friday.


Simply...

he's always angry.

[Deejo]

Saw it last night and my brain is still swimming. SO MUCH WIN.

They really need to hire twice the staff and churn these out quicker!

2 or 3 year wait till A2? AAARRGGGGGHHH.

Going again on Saturday, can't wait!

[Endeavor]

Seconded- he certainly ain't human. I thought he was the same species as the soldiers, but I could be wrong.

No he's certainly not MCU Chitauri.

[Endeavor]

I have not seen an answer for this - and if I have missed it, forgive me for reasking - but how does/what does Banner use to monitor/prevent his transformations? Someone a few thread-parts ago mentioned how clever it is, and... dang it, I would like to know, as I could use another bit of information to gnaw on until next Friday.


http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=23050867&postcount=884

[irapogi]

I have not seen an answer for this - and if I have missed it, forgive me for reasking - but how does/what does Banner use to monitor/prevent his transformations? Someone a few thread-parts ago mentioned how clever it is, and... dang it, I would like to know, as I could use another bit of information to gnaw on until next Friday.


the guy above answered already, and it really is clever, but i was pretty happy that i didn't know beforehand. ruffalo did an amazing job. i was indifferent to norton before, but now, for sure, i'm kinda happy ruffalo replaced him

[Deejo]

It was all pretty fast and dark but I never though that hand was Thanos. Is there still a link to it on youtube or have they all gone?

[Deejo]

After watching the movie I find it kinda hard to think of Ed Norton playing Banner in this.

[TacomaTruck90]

soo...you know hos Joss said the film would be from Captain America Perspective....was it really in his perspective ?

[Donstuie]

After watching the movie I find it kinda hard to think of Ed Norton playing Banner in this.
Ruffalo was terrific, and provided a good mix of the tragic and amusing aspects we expected from the start with this character. Shame he didn't get the part from the start.

[Endeavor]

did you just call us Hoes? lol

[flickchick85]

soo...you know hos Joss said the film would be from Captain America Perspective....was it really in his perspective ?
No. Joss already explained in later interviews that most of the stuff that made it Cap's perspective ended up on the cutting room floor.

[Deejo]

soo...you know hos Joss said the film would be from Captain America Perspective....was it really in his perspective ?

Hmm not really... Some of it is. I think he said that before he cut the hell of it didn't he?

I was really surprised by the amount of screentime Scarlett got to be honest. And I'm certainly not complaining about the 3 or 4 gratuitous ass shot either :D

[Sockin]

Just got back from a second viewing. Good news, it still totally holds up (as if there was any doubt. :yay:)

[beyond_death]

Just got back from a second viewing. Good news, it still totally holds up (as if there was any doubt. :yay:)

Good to hear. Can't wait to see this again!

[Deejo]

I am just as amped to see it the second time, especially that long tracking shot. THAT is how you make a superhero movie!

If Marvel did the X-men vs Apocalypse and Sinister to that quality level, I think I would have a heart attack!

[KBX]

has this been posted??

edit

[Quasimod0]

No bootlegs, my good man.

[KBX]

thats fine, ill take it down...

[ThePowerCosmic]

Simply...

he's always angry.

I honestly don't understand that as a reason... If he's always in a state of anger, wouldn't he be the Hulk 24/7?

[Lone]

I honestly don't understand that as a reason... If he's always in a state of anger, wouldn't he be the Hulk 24/7?

I haven't seen the movie yet but I take that to mean that Banner is now able to control when to let Hulk come out and play.

[Steelsheen]

I honestly don't understand that as a reason... If he's always in a state of anger, wouldn't he be the Hulk 24/7?

my answer
its controlled anger which imho is more lethal because the person is rational and can think clearly but still has that destructive power of rage. many serial killers are like this btw. i guess we better hope Banner never loses his moral compass.

[DarthSkywalker]

With all the stuff cut out of this film and Thor, I really wish they would do extended cuts.

[flickchick85]

I honestly don't understand that as a reason... If he's always in a state of anger, wouldn't he be the Hulk 24/7?
My interpretation of it:
The key to losing control of the Hulk is repressed anger. That's what the Hulk's always been about, imo, because it's a metaphor for the way it happens in real life: the more you repress your anger, the less control you have over it when it finally comes out. So I interpreted that line to mean Banner finally stopped repressing his anger, dealt with the root of it, accepts it, and is always in touch with those feelings and therefore able to access that anger whenever he needs to. Basically, he worked out his psychological kinks to become a more well-adjusted person, lol. It means there's no real barrier between himself and the Hulk anymore, so he can access and control it.

[BigThor]

Too be fair, numbers don't necessarily tell the tale here. I don't think anyone is being dishonest, it is just that people's perspectives are just different. There are a number of factors that could effect how someone sees Thor in this film, including fandom and expectations.

Hmmmm.....

And Erik Lensrereeeefehjrfefer whatever his name is has ridiculous expectations.

^ What he said

[munchie64]

Do we know anything specific about the cut footage? I'm interested to know.

[herolee10]

It's not fair; people are already seeing the film more than once already!!! AHHHHHH:cmad::cmad::cmad::oldrazz::csad:

[Deejo]

Round 2 on saturday! I know what bits to really pay attention in now :D

[Lady Marion]

Second time for me today, third time in IMAX on Tuesday:woot:. I'm sorry guys.

But you still have something that you can look forward to. For me the wait is over and I feel a little bit empty. It sounds weird, I know.:dry:

[Darkness Falls]

just got back from seeing it
amazing, just amazing, it met all my expectations just wow

10/10

[DarthSkywalker]

Second time for me today, third time in IMAX on Tuesday:woot:. I'm sorry guys.

But you still have something that you can look forward to. For me the wait is over and I feel a little bit empty. It sounds weird, I know.:dry:

Not so much. It is amazing to think of the time one anticipates such events and to realize it is over. Can't wait to get there, and then you are wondering what is next.

[R_Hythlodeus]

For me the wait is over and I feel a little bit empty. It sounds weird, I know.:dry:
You don't have to. IM3 is right around the corner with T2 not far behind.
The beauty of the MCU: the hype never stops

[Tim_Riggins]

It seriously exceed all my expectations, I KNEW that Whedon would make a great movie, even when many were skeptical and kept mocking him, I just knew it. But it was a little low on my radar for a couple of months. I was incredibly excited when the latest trailer came out, but then, as it often happens, another trailer comes out and you're excited for this one instead, so yeah I was really anticipating more Spidey for ex, and then I got super hyped again, read some comics to get me into the game, I kept reading the movie was awesome, but I had to see it, and can't believe how incredible it is.

Remember those saying it looked like TV?! LOL, they can dig into the ground as far as they can and hide under there, it never looked like TV, just looked epic.

[TheNewGirl]

So random question, does "Live to rise" by soundgarden play over the credits, or do we only get the score?

[beyond_death]

So random question, does "Live to rise" by soundgarden play over the credits, or do we only get the score?

From memory it plays after the mid-credit sequence.

[Tim_Riggins]

Before mid credit sequence

[Max-Hammerhands]

It seriously exceed all my expectations, I KNEW that Whedon would make a great movie, even when many were skeptical and kept mocking him, I just knew it. But it was a little low on my radar for a couple of months. I was incredibly excited when the latest trailer came out, but then, as it often happens, another trailer comes out and you're excited for this one instead, so yeah I was really anticipating more Spidey for ex, and then I got super hyped again, read some comics to get me into the game, I kept reading the movie was awesome, but I had to see it, and can't believe how incredible it is.

Remember those saying it looked like TV?! LOL, they can dig into the ground as far as they can and hide under there, it never looked like TV, just looked epic.

Maybe the tv-thing is in relation to the size ratio? I know one of the first things I wife leaned over to ask me is why they weren't playing the movie in widescreen. But it's completely forgotten about within the first minute. BTW something I haven't heard anyone comment about - Loki was brutal in his first appearance. The way he took out those agents was very well done. I liked how the bullets bounced off him and the way he fought. They made him out to be a very vicious fighter.

[beyond_death]

Before mid credit sequence

Wasnt before mid credit sequence the part with the cast member names on top of the fancy closeups of each of the Avengers equipment? It had the main Avengers theme playing during then right? Live To Rise played during the credits scroll with the black screen. But I could be wrong,

[Deejo]

Yeah the Soundgarden track kicks in after the extra scene, as the normal credits roll

[Deejo]

Maybe the tv-thing is in relation to the size ratio? I know one of the first things I wife leaned over to ask me is why they weren't playing the movie in widescreen. But it's completely forgotten about within the first minute. BTW something I haven't heard anyone comment about - Loki was brutal in his first appearance. The way he took out those agents was very well done. I liked how the bullets bounced off him and the way he fought. They made him out to be a very vicious fighter.

Loki looked really nuts at points hey, full crazy eyes with bags around them:wow:

[Tim_Riggins]

Weird, seen it yesterday and dont remember it like that.

[Lady Marion]

Not so much. It is amazing to think of the time one anticipates such events and to realize it is over. Can't wait to get there, and then you are wondering what is next.

You don't have to. IM3 is right around the corner with T2 not far behind.
The beauty of the MCU: the hype never stops

Thanks for the heads up:yay:, but IM3 and T2 are still so far away.

Til that I will look forward to the DVD release and there are TDKR (ducking) and the Hobbit...

[BigThor]

Maybe the tv-thing is in relation to the size ratio? I know one of the first things I wife leaned over to ask me is why they weren't playing the movie in widescreen. But it's completely forgotten about within the first minute. BTW something I haven't heard anyone comment about - Loki was brutal in his first appearance. The way he took out those agents was very well done. I liked how the bullets bounced off him and the way he fought. They made him out to be a very vicious fighter.

Yessssssss!!! Niceeeee, I was hoping Loki or Thor would be shown as being invulnerable to bullets. :woot:

[itchyscratch]

Loki was brutal in his first appearance. The way he took out those agents was very well done. I liked how the bullets bounced off him and the way he fought. They made him out to be a very vicious fighter.

There were a number of Eeeewwwws in my cinema when Loki performed his eyeball extraction for Hawkeye. He meant business.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Thanks for the heads up:yay:, but IM3 and T2 are still so far away.

Til that I will look forward to the DVD release and there are TDKR (ducking) and the Hobbit...
And if you haven't seen Iron Sky already, you can always watch that until TDKR comes out :word:

[Oberon sexton]

There were a number of Eeeewwwws in my cinema when Loki performed his eyeball extraction for Hawkeye. He meant business.

Just that weird smile he gave while he was doing it! Totally insane :D

[titansupes]

I didn't like Loki in Thor. He was ineffective and wimpy....In The Avengers, however, he was pure badass villain.

From that very first close up of him looking up and smiling then brutalising the SHIELD agents. Well done, Joss and Tom.

[thalidomide]

I didn't like Loki in Thor. He was ineffective and wimpy....In The Avengers, however, he was pure badass villain.

From that very first close up of him looking up and smiling then brutalising the SHIELD agents. Well done, Joss and Tom.

Well to be fair, he was having an Identity Crisis :P

[BigThor]

I didn't like Loki in Thor. He was ineffective and wimpy....In The Avengers, however, he was pure badass villain.

From that very first close up of him looking up and smiling then brutalising the SHIELD agents. Well done, Joss and Tom.

He killed his brother (Thor), his father, several frost giants, froze Heimdall solid, almost destroyed an entire planet, and went toe to toe with Thor.

I don't think "ineffective" and "wimpy" are the best terms to describe him.

[titansupes]

Just in regards to the Hulk/Banner line, if you think about it through the lense of The Incredible Hulk movie (which is obviously still in continuity) then it clarifies and retroactively improves what was going on with Banner in that movie...particularly the last two shots (Banner doing his meditative thing, then opening his his now green eyes and smiling.)

My impression, watching the TIH movie initially, was that the instructor (who performs the breathing excercises with him and slaps him etc.) was showing him how to take punishment and someone antagnoising you, stress etc. in a calm and collected manner, controlling his rage..."how to stay Zen" if you like. What The Avengers has done with all that and the last shot, is just like you all have been saying. He learned how to control a certain level of anger, how to STAY in touch with it...the smiling and green eyes were the beginning of his first controlled transformation (Like in Avengers, right after the big line he turns and transforms seemingly at his own will to stop the thing from hitting them).

Excellent work, Joss.

[titansupes]

He killed his brother (Thor), his father, several frost giants, froze Heimdall solid, almost destroyed an entire planet, and went toe to toe with Thor.

I don't think "ineffective" and "wimpy" are the best terms to describe him.

He controlled the big silver thing to kill Thor, and was beaten. He didn't kill his father at all, Odin went into some hibernation thing. He did indeed freeze Heimdell...but who cares? He broke out. Probably should've shattered him or something. And all through out the movie, he was whining. He was written and portrayed insecure and affeminate, which I understand was fine for the emotional stuff the character was going through, but didn't help his cause as a 'badass' villain.

He was indeed a 'badass villain in The Avengers, though. It was like he'd been around the universe, seen some *****, and grown up. Hopefully THAT'S the Loki they bring back in Thor 2.

[BigThor]

He controlled the big silver thing to kill Thor, and was beaten. He didn't kill his father at all, Odin went into some hibernation thing. He did indeed freeze Heimdell...but who cares? He broke out. Probably should've shattered him or something. And all through out the movie, he was whining. He was written and portrayed insecure and affeminate, which I understand was fine for the emotional stuff the character was going through, but didn't help his cause as a 'badass' villain.

He was indeed a 'badass villain in The Avengers, though. It was like he'd been around the universe, seen some ****, and grown up. Hopefully THAT'S the Loki they bring back in Thor 2.

It doesn't matter he was badass enough to actually carry out "killing" his brother and he did kill his father Laufey since it was explained that Odin is NOT Loki's father.

I wouldn't call what he was doing "whining" since he had just found out that he's adopted and he's been battling his true lineage for centuries.

[titansupes]

Thor was dead for just a few seconds. It didn't matter what-so-ever. If he had done it personally, then maybe it would've made an impact. But there wasn't anything bad ass about sitting in a throne on another world and telling a giant robot to do it.

I'd completely forgotten about the Laufey character, but now that you've reminded me...I still don't really care. He was a nothing character. Nothing was shown in that movie to make me think Laufey was so tough, the character that takes him out would have to be pretty awesome. And Loki had no relationship with him, a part from the sworn enemy of Asgard. It's not too big a thing.

Yes, I can understand being upset and angry at the news Odin gave him...but the way it was portrayed could've been better. He went to crybaby too quick. It should have been a quieter, resolute anger...closer to a Marcus Aurelius (SP? I'm tired.) All his thoughts and feelings had just been confirmed, about Odin treating he and Thor differently, and now he knew why. But instead he screamed and cried and whined.

[Deejo]

Ive had a day to think about it now after seeing it and (huge spoilers)

I REALLY dug the vibe of the aliens, especially the general or whoever he was. Loved the vibe of the 'space castle' or whatever that was with all the glowing blue, and I had my breath literally taken away with the Mothership reveal after IM goes through the portal. They were really in the **** if that portal wasn't closed! So goddamn cool!!

Cap was awesome, barking orders and kicking the crap out of aliens. I likes how he knew he isn't on the same level as the IM, Thor and Hulk but he took control of the situation and led the team.

HULK was great. I would have maybe liked a few more lines but his scenes were some of the best for sure. The Loki fight will go down as an all time classic moment!

RDJ was awesome as always. Thor was great now he has matured after the first movie. Hawkeye was great to, total badass.

I was really impressed and in love with Scarlett. So cool. All the action scenes were great as well and not as 'posey' as IM2. She had a heap of dialogue, and I loved how she was trying to make up for her horrible past that was alluded to. I would love to see a solo movie :hrt:

Coulson with his collectors cards. Pepper in cut off denim. SJ giving lip to the council. Loki vs the old man. So many great moments.

I can't think of a single flaw. It was a really weird feeling when I was about 2 minutes into it, like "holy crap, this is it... I am really watching The Avengers."

Very happy right now and can't wait to see it again.:woot:

[BigThor]

Thor was dead for just a few seconds. It didn't matter what-so-ever. If he had done it personally, then maybe it would've made an impact. But there wasn't anything bad ass about sitting in a throne on another world and telling a giant robot to do it.

I'd completely forgotten about the Laufey character, but now that you've reminded me...I still don't really care. He was a nothing character. Nothing was shown in that movie to make me think Laufey was so tough, the character that takes him out would have to be pretty awesome. And Loki had no relationship with him, a part from the sworn enemy of Asgard. It's not too big a thing.

Yes, I can understand being upset and angry at the news Odin gave him...but the way it was portrayed could've been better. He went to crybaby too quick. It should have been a quieter, resolute anger...closer to a Marcus Aurelius (SP? I'm tired.) All his thoughts and feelings had just been confirmed, about Odin treating he and Thor differently, and now he knew why. But instead he screamed and cried and whined.

Killing your brother is still killing your brother and who are you to say how one is suppose to react finding out everything they know is a lie?

[Donstuie]

Killing your brother is still killing your brother and who are you to say how one is suppose to react finding out everything they know is a lie?

"He is adopted"

[thalidomide]

"He is adopted"


My goodness! Good thing you tagged spoilers :P :woot::woot::woot::woot:

[titansupes]

Killing your brother is still killing your brother and who are you to say how one is suppose to react finding out everything they know is a lie?

...You realize we're talking about make believe people, right? I wouldn't walk up to to hitman and say "Your boss was a p*ssy for not doing it himself" and I wouldn't walk up to someone who was emotional about something like this and say "Grow a sack".

We're talking about a film. Everything you do in a film is to further your characters and your story. Loki ordering the robot to kill Thor furthered the plot, and it got a point about his character across, sure. But for the sake of audience connection, and between the CHARACTERS themselves (Not just from a film pov, but from THEIR pov) it would have been far more visceral and impactful had it been done by Loki's own hand. Even it was a cheap shot. Just as long as it was HIM doing it. Looking into his eyes as he does, Thor betrayed and bewildered, no possible redemption for Loki. Picture it like Commodus and Maximus right before their final stand-off. Instead, the robot does it.

Had he not cried and screamed in a particularly temper tantrum inflicted teenage girl way when Odin told him the truth, if he had reacted in a stronger more powerful rage-filled heat, that would've made him seem more powerful, more of a threat (I now know Tom H is capable of something like that, having seen Avengers.) Instead he cries and whines and Odin collapses and that's that. 'Kay. Cool.

[Sharkboy]

I need to geek out about this film to someone who's seen it, but no one seems to be around. :o

[jonathancrane]

Back to the Loki argument again....sigh.

The Iron Man vs Thor or Thor vs. Hulk argument will be starting in three, two, o-

[Chewy]

I'm here, geek out to me

[Nathan]

The Iron Man vs Thor or Thor vs. Hulk argument will be starting in three, two, o-

What did I miss? What are people arguing about in those fights?

[Chewy]

What did I miss? What are people arguing about in those fights?
Well people who haven't seen the movie have been telling people who have seen the movie that Iron Man is as strong as Thor :hehe:

[Superhero Hype!]

So I saw The Avengers last night, and it was insane, awesome, and everything you hoped it will be and more. I feel sorry for North American audiences that have to wait until next week, but the wait is definitely worth it. Definitely see it in IMAX or even IMAX Digital (which is how I saw it, the Digital one), as it looked and sounded fantastic.

[Sharkboy]

I was pretty much under the impression that Thor and Hulk were the most powerful, with Cap being the general/commander of sorts, and Iron man having the smarts. There was a reason the entire first half of the movie everyone is scared s**tless of Banner, If he popped up in that three way fight....you can bet they all would have stopped fighting immediately.

[Nathan]

Well people who haven't seen the movie have been telling people who have seen the movie that Iron Man is as strong as Thor :hehe:

Tis madness I say.

[Superwhat]

Tis madness I say.

Madness? This IS SPARTA!!!

[Avenger25]

I'm on the bus now. Gonna see the film when I get off,I'll write a review after the screening. But I still can't believe this I'm going to watch the avengers. I mean iron man,captin America,hulk,thor,black widow,hawkeye,nick fury and Maria hill all in the same film I mean surely that's impossible.

[thalidomide]

I'm on the bus now. Gonna see the film when I get off,I'll write a review after the screening. But I still can't believe this I'm going to watch the avengers. I mean iron man,captin America,hulk,thor,black widow,hawkeye,nick fury and Maria hill all in the same film I mean surely that's impossible.

Have fun!

[Fenrir]

Favourite moments?

Loki taking the piss out of Black Widow. Granted she got him to spill the beans in the end, but he really did come off as truly menacing in that scene.

Just about everything with Stark/Iron Man in it (with the exception of that unnecessary "it's a one-way trip" scene in the end, because everyone and their dog knows that is not going to happen, so it's just pointless dramatisation). I think the moment where Tony gets the propellers working and then gets that feeling of "oh crap" when he realises that the Cap didn't pull the lever was enough to show that he wasn't afraid to put himself on the line for others. Oh and "WE ARE NOT SOLDIERS!" was simply :up:.

Hawkeye got the shaft in terms of characterisation, but not when it comes to being a total badass. His assault on the SHIELD carrier showed that even in the midst of superhumans just how dangerous a cunning and tactical assassin can be.

Captain America's quip about "there is only one God and I don't think he dresses like that" was classic. Showed he was old-school both inside and out.

Mark Ruffalo did an excellent job as Banner. I loved the playful banter between him and Tony.

EDIT: Crap, I forgot my favourite (and best) scene of all - when everyone confronts each other on the SHIELD carrier with Fury talking about developing weapons of mass destruction using the power of the artifact, Stark and Cap going "let's take this outside", Thor mocking the puny mortals for their pettiness all the while Black Widow (and deep down inside, everyone else) freaking out about Bana losing his s**t. It was a genuinely tension-filled moment and wished the film had more such instances that showed how unstable this team really was.

I'm sure there are many more as this film has more than enough for us fanboys to choke on, but I'll probably notice them on subsequent viewings.

[paulogonza]

i wiil watching tonight om midnight show, after thet i will put my review here . high expectations.

[Sharkboy]

This is going to become a cliche for favourite moment ever but I'll still say it.

Hulk >BLAM> Thor.

[Nathan]

That'll probably be my new avatar for a while, once they release the Movie for sale. I just love his jerk attitude.

[Fenrir]

Oh and might I add how refreshing it was to finally have a superhero movie without the dreaded forced love-interest/romantic subplot and damsels-in-distress?

[Chewy]

Yeah outside of Pepper's three scenes there's really no romantic element whatsoever. And it wasn't really missed

Bromances abound, tho

[Nathan]

Yes, that is refreshing. After watching all 5 Marvel Movies, in preparation for The Avengers, I was annoyed that each one of them had a romantic sub-plot.

[marcvader]

Yeah outside of Pepper's three scenes there's really no romantic element whatsoever. And it wasn't really missed

Bromances abound, tho

My girlfriend won't be too happy with this. :hehe:

[kieron39]

Am i right in guessing that everyone's favourite scene was after Thor and hulk take that monster down, he just knocks him down with a lefty! ha ha man the crowd erupted at that part most compared to other gags

[thalidomide]

Oh and might I add how refreshing it was to finally have a superhero movie without the dreaded forced love-interest/romantic subplot and damsels-in-distress?


Amen to that Fenrir.

I think that's what Amy Nicholson is *****ing about, there's no love story whatsoever -_-

[Drummerdude7]

Very glad there was no romantic element....in a movie like this there's no place for it.

Too much **** to avenge!!!!

[Rock Sexton]

Am i right in guessing that everyone's favourite scene was after Thor and hulk take that monster down, he just knocks him down with a lefty! ha ha man the crowd erupted at that part most compared to other gags

Ya, my crowd was roaring in laughter when Hulk punched Thor off the Leviathon and then again when Hulk slammed Loki around like a rag doll.

[Rock Sexton]

Very glad there was no romantic element....in a movie like this there's no place for it.

Too much **** to avenge!!!!

Honestly, it would've killed the pacing of the movie.

[TTFN]

Considering half the audience is female, romantic dynamics are necessary. Sausage fests alone won't bring in the bucks even if there are some women that don't mind. I won't miss it in TA but the solo films need it and luckily for me, tptb agree. :)

[Chewy]

The crowd erupted so many times. All three of those mentioned Hulk scenes, the scene where Hulk roars after catching Tony, "He's adopted", "So that's what that does", "I wouldn't call that a party", etc

[Drummerdude7]

Honestly, it would've killed the pacing of the movie.

Very true.

Although I'm sure they could tackle it next time...maybe have an Ultimates 3 inspired scandal between Black Widow and Tony in which their intimate relations are caught on tape and leaked to the public. Whedon did say he wanted to get more personal, after all.

.....buahaha kidding. :woot:

[Sharkboy]

Another personal favourite of mine which everyone seemed to miss because it was so random and lightning fast.

After the avengers all meet they all have a tense scene centered around their conversation on the bridge of the carrier, one random bridge member looks around and when realising no one is looking, he switches on a game on his monitor and starts playing, that made me chuckle quite a bit, because that is such a Whedon scene.

[Rock Sexton]

Another personal favourite of mine which everyone seemed to miss because it was so random and lightning fast.

After the avengers all meet they all have a tense scene centered around their conversation on the bridge of the carrier, one random bridge member looks around and when realising no one is looking, he switches on a game on his monitor and starts playing, that made me chuckle quite a bit, because that is such a Whedon scene.

We were just talking about that "Galaga" scene in the "favorite moments" thread.

[Rock Sexton]

Did anyone else walk out of theater pumped up? I know I did. I haven't felt that way after seeing a movie in a long time. Getting the ultimate cherry on top with Thanos put it over the top for me. I was literally floating on air.

[Chewy]

Did anyone else walk out of theater pumped up? I know I did. I haven't felt that way after seeing a movie in a long time. Getting the ultimate cherry on top with Thanos put it over the top for me. I was literally floating on air.
Yes I absolutely did. Felt like being a kid again.