The IRON MAN 3 News & Speculation Thread - Part 1

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[Compi716]

...Because honestly, there has to be one.

[Sharkboy]

Speaking as someone who hated Iron Man 2, and has no interest whatsoever in the Avengers.

Iron Man 3 sounds like possibly one of the greatest comic book movies ever made, Guy Pearce, Ben Kingsley, Jessica Chastain and Andy f**kin Lau?! Directed by Shane "I'll never be too old for this s**t" Black....this will be something REAL special.

[Son of Coul]

I don't think this has been posted:
The lengthy Disney presentation at CinemaCon may still be going on, but it started off with the Marvel Studios presentation and President of Production Kevin Feige talking about the studio's upcoming slate. For next year's Iron Man 3, they showed a brief sizzle reel, which obviously didn't have any new footage (because they only start shooting in three weeks), but it did have a few soundbites from writer/director Shane Black talking about the direction of the movie.

In the video presentation, Black dubbed the movie a "technological thriller" and a "crisis movie" set in the world of "international war, arms and terror" saying that they will "put Tony Stark through the wringer" as they explore the trials of being Tony Stark. Although no villain has been revealed for the film, he said the villain will be one that will "frighten in today's world." Any idea who he might be referring to?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/cinemaconnews.php?id=89582
Coooool :stark:

[Sebastos]

Loving every bit of info.

[Crimson King]

Agreed. Black has hit all the right buttons so far.

[J.Howlett]

From the info, it sounds like this film should've been Iron Man 2, before he fights Aliens in the Avengers....

...but, it does sound interesting.

[Son of Coul]

More supposed info from Neopunch, which sounds tangible:
Andy Lau’s character will be an OLD FRIEND OF TONY STARK’S that represents China’s technology sector – and will use China’s armored heroes to HELP Iron Man defeat “The Mandarin” who is seen as a terrorist against both the US and China.
http://www.neonpunch.com/is-andy-lau-going-to-be-cast-as-the-mandarin-in-iron-man-3/

[J.Howlett]

More supposed info from Neopunch, which sounds tangible:

http://www.neonpunch.com/is-andy-lau-going-to-be-cast-as-the-mandarin-in-iron-man-3/

Definitely should've been Iron Man 2. I do wonder what becomes of RDJ after Iron Man 3. How man films did he sign up for?

[Son of Coul]

He stated in an interview a few months back that after IM3, his contract with Marvel will be up and that they will "renegotiate" afterwards, which I assume means "demand much more money."

[Sebastos]

So the villain will be Mandarin?

[J.Howlett]

He stated in an interview a few months back that after IM3, his contract with Marvel will be up and that they will "renegotiate" afterwards, which I assume means "demand much more money."

Meaning, they're going to have to pay him a bucket load for him to do Avengers 2 and 3, especially if Feige gets his wish and does Civil War for Avengers 3.

[J.Howlett]

So the villain will be Mandarin?

A terrorist group called the Mandarin.

[Son of Coul]

It's looking like he'll be present in some fashion based on what we've heard. I'm curious about this alleged "China's armored heroes" business though.

[J.Howlett]

I'm just curious to see if any of the solo sequels after Avengers work at all. As individual stories, I'm sure they'll be fine but will the audience care after watching Earth's Mightiest Heroes take down a demigod with an alien army....

Just based on the Iron Man 3 info, it sounds exactly what I wanted out of Iron Man 2...a technological thriller...before the Marvel Universe got big with the arrival of Loki and his minions.

[J.Howlett]

Although, the world doesn't stop spinning and the problems of the world don't go away after you defeat an alien enemy, so....

[Ironfan72]

Would makes senses that after the invasion by Loki and his army, other nations, like Russia and China would want super powered heroes to prevent another such attack on them, nothing would make them think Shield and the Avengers would come to their rescue, which makes one wonder who would they have, a good way to introduce a Crimson Dynamo or Titanium Man.

[Hunter Rider]

Black's comments from Cinemacon have me even more enthusiastic for this movie, it sounds like exactly the type of route they needed to take after IM2.

[J.Howlett]

Would makes senses that after the invasion by Loki and his army, other nations, like Russia and China would want super powered heroes to prevent another such attack on them, nothing would make them think Shield and the Avengers would come to their rescue, which makes one wonder who would they have, a good way to introduce a Crimson Dynamo or Titanium Man.

You know, this is the first post that has given justification to the solo sequels after the Avengers.

Totally this. This is on point and I hope that the script has something similar to those ideas.

Still, even with that, why wouldn't Tony call on SHIELD for help, because in a way, what you described could be potentially a global problem...

...unless this film's story takes place in a confined space and time frame where calling his pals wouldn't do any good anyway. It's a problem that has to be solved right then and there.

I'm trying to get around the idea of how these characters don't call on one another for help in their respective sequels, except for Thor, considering where his sequel takes place.

This is a tricky situation for Marvel.

[Crimson King]

Iron Man is the only one you really have to come up with an excuse for. Cap (I assume) will have SHIELD as his backup and Thor will be off in another realm. Feige has already stated that they'll deal with the issue of IM having a reason that he doesn't call in help, so it sounds like they're on top of the problem.

[cherokeesam]

A terrorist group called the Mandarin.


A careful reading of the article shows that Neonpunch is *speculating* that "the Mandarin" could be a group....the only thing the quote actually confirmed is that Iron Man and Lau's "armored heroes" will fight "the Mandarin," but they didn't actually confirm whether that's "Mandarin" singular or plural.

Makes sense either way, but I'm still going under the comic-book logic that it's Mandarin, singular, the leader of the Ten Rings terrorist group.

"Armored heroes" is huge news, though. Could Lau be playing Radioactive Man? Or even changing the nationality of Crimson Dynamo and/or Titanium Man and making them Chinese armored heroes instead of Russian armored villains?

**** just got real. :D

[terry78]

Or could Lau actually be The Mandarin himself? They could very well pull that.

[Sebastos]

Lau is going to be an old friend who helps Tony.

[terry78]

I know who he's supposed to be, I'm saying it could be something he's been hiding.

[Sebastos]

Definitely could be an interesting twist.

[J.Howlett]

Iron Man is the only one you really have to come up with an excuse for. Cap (I assume) will have SHIELD as his backup and Thor will be off in another realm. Feige has already stated that they'll deal with the issue of IM having a reason that he doesn't call in help, so it sounds like they're on top of the problem.

Very curious to see how they do it. At least, they have been thinking about how to justify it...which is good.

[MarvelKnight]

He stated in an interview a few months back that after IM3, his contract with Marvel will be up and that they will "renegotiate" afterwards, which I assume means "demand much more money."

Well, they got disney now and they should pay that man whatever he wants

Definitely should've been Iron Man 2. I do wonder what becomes of RDJ after Iron Man 3. How man films did he sign up for?

He signed up for 4 originally.

[Mr. Immortal]

Iron Man definitely deserves a true solo movie now, I think we can all agree with that.

I wonder if they can introduce another Avengers member in Cap's second movie without it being invasive? His seems like it would be the best opportunity. In general, Cap flourishes in a team setting because it plays into the leadership and charisma of the character.

[cherokeesam]

Iron Man definitely deserves a true solo movie now, I think we can all agree with that.

I wonder if they can introduce another Avengers member in Cap's second movie without it being invasive? His seems like it would be the best opportunity. In general, Cap flourishes in a team setting because it plays into the leadership and charisma of the character.

Falcon would be the obvious choice, for both a Cap ally *and* a long-time Avenger.

[4green]

Aside from a version of the Crimson Dynamo, what are other Chinese Armored characters in the Marvel Universe?

[MarvelKnight]

There is a chinese version of Crimson Dynamo? Thought all the incarnations were russian..

[4green]

I believe the "Ultimates" version was from the whole "Red China" idea....can somebody confirm this?

[MarvelKnight]

just found it, on wikipedia (so take with a grain of salt in case its wrong) but Alex Su was chinese dynamo in ultimate universe. Part of the Liberators.

[BobbyCorwin88]

Very curious to see how they do it. At least, they have been thinking about how to justify it...which is good.
Seeing as how they're going with Extremis, there's a really good monologue that Tony gives to the guy who was causing all the mayhem and eventually takes down. He basically explained why taking this guy down was something extremely personal and how it had to be him who took care of it. Something along the lines of, "I had every chance in the past to become you, and now that I see you I knew it had to be me who defeats you."

Of course we don't know if they're going that route because the possibility of a Mandarin or other such enemy might not make as much sense. The guy Tony fought in Extremis also took the Extremis drug and was pretty much Tony's polar opposite. He wasn't a big name or anything. So if we don't see that explanation (which I loved) then something else is going to have to suffice.

[Chris B]

Aside from Rhodes maybe continuing on as War Machine, I really hope that they don't introduce any other armored heroes like that one article regarding Lau suggests.

I think most would agree that one of IM2's problems was too many heroes. Not to mention that it takes away from the uniqueness of Iron Man if there are a bunch of copycats running around.

[4green]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing another armored character or two. Especially if its canon. Crimson Dynamo or Titanium Man would be great. Aside from those mentioned and Mandarin, mostly all of Iron Man's lesser foes need to be re-invented, as they are all tools. Its probably why Whiplash had to be a fusion of two characters.

[cherokeesam]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing another armored character or two. Especially if its canon. Crimson Dynamo or Titanium Man would be great. Aside from those mentioned and Mandarin, mostly all of Iron Man's lesser foes need to be re-invented, as they are all tools. Its probably why Whiplash had to be a fusion of two characters.

Yeah, I hear people complain about "too many armors," and maybe even RDJ himself feels like it dilutes his character or steals his spotlight, I dunno; but the fact of the matter is that anyone who's read Iron Man comics knows full well that it's *always* been about armors. Heck, even the popular Armored Adventures toon even expands on it by making Mandarin basically another armored villain.

[Whiskey Tango]

Radioactive Man is Chinese. But not armored. And apparently not always a villain. But is a scientist!

http://i46.tinypic.com/148u14.jpg

No, not that one.

http://i46.tinypic.com/16099hg.jpg

[4green]

Yeah, I hear people complain about "too many armors," and maybe even RDJ himself feels like it dilutes his character or steals his spotlight, I dunno; but the fact of the matter is that anyone who's read Iron Man comics knows full well that it's *always* been about armors. Heck, even the popular Armored Adventures toon even expands on it by making Mandarin basically another armored villain.

^ THIS.
Armor Wars. Nuff' said. It makes sense for a character like him to have similar opponents. Its probably also why most of his other rivals are easily dispatched (see the the finale of Demon In A Bottle" where he mops the floor with all of Hammer's henchmen.) Hell, they even had to give Whiplash a suit in order for him to deal with Iron Man in the last flick!

I understand that nobody wants repetition with villains. But to have someone go toe-to-toe with him, would require probably one not from his own roster of rogues. Either that or it would need to be a bit more creative with said armored villains.

[ElMariachi]

I intially had a problem with there being 'Chinese armored heroes' but it makes sense in the context of the movies. The great thing about IM2 was that it introduced the military industrial aspect and was a shout out to Armor Wars. I may be alone here but I loved every scene regarding this. Especially the Senate hearing, the over-the top introduction of the 'Hammerbots', and anything to do with Justin Hammer or development of hte suits. The problems with the movie were of course with the downer palladium poisioning angle, not the armors. It makes sense for the Chinese to have their own suits at this point if North Korea and Iran had developed crude copies. I am assuming that like all Chinese tech, they will be lesser quality than what Stark/US has. I just hope they play a good role and this isn't some ploy to kowtow to the Chinese government. That's my big fear with them shooting in China. I also hope they aren't biting off too much with Extremis and the Mandarin. Personally, I really have no problem without a true Mandarin. He can never be pulled off convincingly using actual rings. Perhaps extremis/nanotech gives him the powers? Mallen was able to breathe fire and shoot electricity, so it may not be too farfetched.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

In this film universe, how can you not accept the rings? Since we've got gods and aliens the rings don't seem farfetched...

[ElMariachi]

In this film universe, how can you not accept the rings? Since we've got gods and aliens the rings don't seem farfetched...

Nothing we have seen in the MCU would be as ridiculous as flames, ice, disintegration beams, and gravity rearrangers coming out of rings. How could you pack so much technology into a tiny ring? The tech in Iron Man is relatively grounded. I don't see any way of them pulling this off without it looking a bit silly. Not to mention taking away from the Infinity Gauntlet. Well, assuming they are using that in the Avengers sequel. :woot:

[Whiskey Tango]

Well I don't think it'd be silly.

[4green]

Nothing we have seen in the MCU would be as ridiculous as flames, ice, disintegration beams, and gravity rearrangers coming out of rings. How could you pack so much technology into a tiny ring? The tech in Iron Man is relatively grounded. I don't see any way of them pulling this off without it looking a bit silly. Not to mention taking away from the Infinity Gauntlet. Well, assuming they are using that in the Avengers sequel. :woot:

The rings will be mini-miniaturized arc reactors. That you can slip on like rings. LOL :lmao:

[Gold Samurai]

Aside from a version of the Crimson Dynamo, what are other Chinese Armored characters in the Marvel Universe?

Having just read Invincible Iron Man #513 featured the Chinese Avengers The Dynasty they immediately popped into my head

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg209/scaled.php?server=209&filename=dynastyfrominvincibleir.jpg&res=landing



Invincible Iron Man #513

Summary: Iron Man attacks the Dreadnoughts that were attacking the Three Gorges Dam in China, hoping to prevent the Dreadnoughts from destroying the dam and flooding the surrounding countryside. IM is soon joined by the Dynasty, which is the Chinese equivalent of the Avengers



And then we have Extemis rumors. IM3 is sounding very intriguing.

[Ash Talon]

Having some other heroes (Chinese armored ones) get whipped by Mandarin is a good way of showing just how powerful he is. Therefore, when Iron Man rises to the occasion and defeats Mandarin, we'll realize just how awesome Iron Man is.

Regarding Tony not calling on SHIELD for help. One, Tony might be too proud to do so. Two, he might have a personal stake in defeating the bad guy (someone close to him is killed by the villain). Three, Tony most likely has to travel to China at some point. China isn't necessarily a part of SHIELD and therefore wouldn't allow SHIELD personnel into their country uninvited.

A villain that is particularly threatening to today's world? I think a technological virus would be rather devastating. We're so dependent on technology that if someone could figure out how to turn it against us (ie a virus or mind control), they'd be rather threatening. Especially if they could spread it through materials that originate in China, as most things are manufactured at least in part in China. A terrorist that does so would be a threat to the world, and China would not like being made to look like they're helping him.

Hopefully the Chinese government assigns an attractive Chinese girl to be their liaison with Stark.

[mclay18]

Jamie says that Scarlett Johannson and Don Cheadle will NOT be reprising their roles as Black Widow or Rhodey in Iron Man 3. WTF?

[Parker Wayne]

That can only mean one thing. There's plans for a SHIELD movie.

[Sebastos]

Really no War Machine?

[Webfoot Hero]

Jamie says that Scarlett Johannson and Don Cheadle will NOT be reprising their roles as Black Widow or Rhodey in Iron Man 3. WTF?
Who's Jamie. I've heard Scarlett say she's not in it but nothing from Cheadle yet. With his TV show, I could possibly see why he wouldn't be in it.

[Son of Coul]

Where'd this info come from?

[Sebastos]

Over at CBM there's an article in which Scarlet confirms she won't be in IM3, not sure about Cheadle though.

[wonderwoman5757]

who is jamie? and what's this cheadle news? where did that come from?

[MarvelKnight]

I can live with no ScarJo in IM. I don't care either way about Cheadle. If it is going to be Iron Man-centric, I hope he isn't in it. If anything, vaguely reference him taking care of things in the US (since I assume part of the movie will take place in china?)

[cherokeesam]

Having just read Invincible Iron Man #513 featured the Chinese Avengers The Dynasty they immediately popped into my head

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg209/scaled.php?server=209&filename=dynastyfrominvincibleir.jpg&res=landing



Invincible Iron Man #513




And then we have Extemis rumors. IM3 is sounding very intriguing.

Can't be a coincidence. ;)
Still, I'd rather not see them spending too much time developing a new "Chinese Avengers" in the movie, since most of these new "Dynasty" characters are little more than Chinese variants of classic Marvel heroes. I could see Lau's character becoming a "name" superhero, but I don't think we'll see a full-blown Chinese superhero team.

[mclay18]

Who's Jamie. I've heard Scarlett say she's not in it but nothing from Cheadle yet. With his TV show, I could possibly see why he wouldn't be in it.

He's a mod here, goes by FilmNerdJamie. He also runs the entertainment blog Think McFly Think with Peter Georgiou (Showtime here on SHH!). Very well connected with studio insiders.

[cherokeesam]

He's a mod here, goes by FilmNerdJamie. He also runs the entertainment blog Think McFly Think with Peter Georgiou (Showtime here on SHH!). Very well connected with studio insiders.

Don Cheadle himself calls "BOOSHEET" on that:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/2012-showtime-tcas-don-cheadle-iron-man-3-is-even-more-action-packed-than-the-first-two_video_1378998

[Ironfan72]

I did see where Scarlett Jo said she would not be in IM3, which is fine, this is supposed to be a Iron Man exclusive movie, and not having Blackwidow in the movie reinforces that direction.
After watching Cheadle talk about his role in IM3, its good to see both Stark and Rhodes interact, while they have had their falling outs in the comics they are great friends and allies.
Going back to some of what has been talked about here, I can see the complaints by new iron man fans or people not familar with Iron Man not wanting more armor vs armor, but as has been said, in order to be a threat to Stark his enemy needs to be as close an equal as possible, Whiplash took is shot at Stark during an auto race with no armor, Venko had no idea Stark had that suit case armor, and when he took his second shot at Stark, he had 2 dozen Hammer drones, took over War Machine and had his own armor, so this will make sense if they show Mandarin defeating Chinese armored heroes just to show that Mandarin is a true threat, at one time Mandarin himself wore armor, during the 80's he wore armor, but that said, with the introduction of Thor's universe where technology can be seen as magic, have Mandarin possess ten rings of different power is no longer far fetched in MCU, Mandarin is to Iron Man what the Joker is to Batman or Dr. Doom is to the Fantastic Four, his arch enemy and a threat to not just Iron man but the world.

[Octoberist]

He's a mod here, goes by FilmNerdJamie. He also runs the entertainment blog Think McFly Think with Peter Georgiou (Showtime here on SHH!). Very well connected with studio insiders.

i like Jaimie but he's been wrong before (like many in the blogsphere, including the big dogs. It's just tons of Chinese whispers sometimes, and it's so competitive to get scoops that sometimes a few will jump the gun to release it out to the public. And yes, I said Chinese Whispers..very appropriate!) :0

I can believe the ScarJo bit, but not Rhodey. I felt that Don Chedle's Rhodey in Iron Man 2 was under-written, and lacked the warmth that Terrance's Rhodey had. I preferred Terrance only because of his more passive demeanor, which I liked. He felt like the 'voice of reason' without being a hardass but more as a friend. While Don's Rhodey came off as too stern.

[Octoberist]

Don Cheadle himself calls "BOOSHEET" on that:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/2012-showtime-tcas-don-cheadle-iron-man-3-is-even-more-action-packed-than-the-first-two_video_1378998

There you go. You can't have Iron Man without Rhodey. Now the question is Happy Hogan and if Jon Favs has time to do it IF he's actually gonna work on Magic Kingdom (which has been super quiet as of late).

[Gianakin_]

After all these casting news on top of Black as the director for IM3, this is the MCU movie I'm most excited for. I'm glad it's shaping up great, because after TDKR I'm gonna need a movie to follow!

[Blader5489]

Don Cheadle himself calls "BOOSHEET" on that:

http://www.accesshollywood.com/2012-showtime-tcas-don-cheadle-iron-man-3-is-even-more-action-packed-than-the-first-two_video_1378998

Cheadle also talked about being in a SHIELD movie and his own spinoff... I feel like he has never actually had any prior knowledge on anything and just makes up **** to feed to the press.

[JackMercy]

"I wasn't in it enough. They need to go back to the drawing board."

Heh. Really? We'll see...

Didn't know Cheadle had James Cameron's power and sway during the pre-production process...

:word:

[cherokeesam]

"I wasn't in it enough. They need to go back to the drawing board."

Heh. Really? We'll see...

Didn't know Cheadle had James Cameron's power and sway during the pre-production process...

:word:

He wasn't smiling when he said it, but I'm pretty sure Cheadle was just being sarcastic there.

[TheVileOne]

People complained about War Machine being in Iron Man 2, maybe they should take him out :p .

[HighFivingMF]

Just make him lock his keys in the armor. :o

[Endeavor]

I might be the minority in this but I didn't like Cheadle as WM. I'd prefer Howard back or if not a recast.

[TheVileOne]

No one wants to hire Howard right now. He's kind of burned his bridges.

[Endeavor]

Yeah I heard he was an ass when negotiating for IM2.

But he was 10X better than Cheadle.

[Whiskey Tango]

Cheadle is by far the superior actor imo. Would love to have him back, War Machine less so but I'm not going to rampage if he's included.

[Chris B]

Yeah, I hear people complain about "too many armors," and maybe even RDJ himself feels like it dilutes his character or steals his spotlight, I dunno; but the fact of the matter is that anyone who's read Iron Man comics knows full well that it's *always* been about armors. Heck, even the popular Armored Adventures toon even expands on it by making Mandarin basically another armored villain.

I just think it would be a bit contrived for there to be this Chinese army of Iron Men that just comes out of no where to help out. Which I think does take away from the uniqueness of Iron Man because it looks like anyone can just make a suit of their own.

Especially after a common thread in the films has been Stark is really the only one who can pull it off. Stane couldn't figure out how to power the Iron Monger suit, Hammer couldn't successfully pull it off despite his resources, and Vanko was only able to do it because he was the son of the co-inventor of the arc reactor tech.

[cherokeesam]

I just think it would be a bit contrived for there to be this Chinese army of Iron Men that just comes out of no where to help out. Which I think does take away from the uniqueness of Iron Man because it looks like anyone can just make a suit of their own.

Especially after a common thread in the films has been Stark is really the only one who can pull it off. Stane couldn't figure out how to power the Iron Monger suit, Hammer couldn't successfully pull it off despite his resources, and Vanko was only able to do it because he was the son of the co-inventor of the arc reactor tech.

But again, that's a recurring theme in Iron Man comics. There's plenty of rival corporations and nations that try to duplicate or even outright steal Stark technology to make their own battlesuits (or mechs or robots) but they always wind up being inferior to Tony's.

When the US armed forces got hold of the War Machine armor in IM2, it's inevitable that other countries --- especially China, who's fast becoming the new "evil empire" for all red-blooded Amurrican commie-haters --- would feel threatened and start their own arms race to close the "battle armor gap."

So I see it not playing out as a last-minute deus ex by a bunch of Chinese rocket men, but rather having the Chinese suits revealed early on to Stark, and Stark and Lau's character being forced into an uneasy alliance, with neither fully trusting the other.

[The Guard]

I wouldn't mind if The Mandarin wore armor at some point, as long as it was sleeker and more advanced. Nanotech to me means "smaller".

And since "The Ten Rings" was the name of the terrorist organization in IRON MAN, I would imagine they're at least going to homage the rings. I don't see the Mandarin having ten rings, each with a different outlandish function, but I can see him having ten very high tech rings due to nanotech, and a few of them having a specific function, and the idea that the rest also do something.

One of them could be a weapon. I could see a disintigration beam being fairly realistic. An electro blast is basically a taser. One of them could be a remote control device of sorts.

And maybe someone asks "What do the others do?", and we get something along the line of "You don't want to know".

The ice and flame blasts, white and black light, vortex and matter rearranger rings are probably unrealistic and a little bit much. The mental control ring...probably unrealistic. Or maybe they'll go full on alien and go for it. I doubt it, but...

[The Infernal]

I don't think many people think Mandarin could be translated to the screen and have his ten rings all have outlandish powers like death ray, flame ray, disinta-ray etc. I think they still want to see the rings have some sort of power, but something less cartoony, maybe they don't even need to have individual powers as such. But I still think Mandarin has to have those rings and they do have to be a source of power.

I would also prefer him not to have an armoured suit, he's one of the few IM villains that truly doesn't need one to fight him. I still have trouble seeing Kingsley (if he is the Mandarin) in a suit of armour.

Also the armoured Chinese warriors is an interesting rumour. I'll admit that too many armours does run a risk of diluting Iron Man's abilities and it could reduce IM3 to 'way too much armour on armour fights', but I'm interested to see who Lau is playing. I'm hoping for a Chinese Titanium Man. Either that or as others have said Radioactive man could be interesting (and more likely not armoured).

I wouldn't mind seeing these sort of looks for either character.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/Radioactive_Man.jpg/250px-Radioactive_Man.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/bioniclecrossovers/images/3/32/TitaniumMan01.jpg

Although just thinking out loud. I saw someone here saying something about Stark saying to the bad guy in Extremis that at the end he could have become the same as the villain and it's only right it's Stark himself who stops him. What if Lau who's rumoured to be playing a scientist friend of Stark's becomes the Mandarin and his character in IM3 acts as a mirror to Iron Man's character? Which I think would also act to 'bring Stark back to the cave' metaphorically like Feige stated they wanted to do by making him re-evaluate his entire journey as Iron Man.

Also lastly, I can't see them going without Cheadle or at least War Machine/Rhodey. Even if IM2 had too many armours Rhodey was established as one of the leading support characters (Stark's best buddy) and was prominent in both of the previous films. It's not like the Avengers where his absence isn't a great loss, here it really is a wtf moment. That's why I can't really put any faith in rumours until I see the announced main cast list.

[Figs]

Jamie says that Scarlett Johannson and Don Cheadle will NOT be reprising their roles as Black Widow or Rhodey in Iron Man 3. WTF?

If that's true, then that is full of win. If they want to make this film as good as the first one if not better, they need to cut out the fat. I want it to focus on Stark/Iron man, not him AND War Machine. Also, ScarJo has no reason to be in this film.

[kaijunexus]

If that's true, then that is full of win. If they want to make this film as good as the first one if not better, they need to cut out the fat. I want it to focus on Stark/Iron man, not him AND War Machine. Also, ScarJo has no reason to be in this film.

I agree about not including Black Widow. There's absolutely no reason for her to be there. She's not undercover at Stark Industries anymore, so what would be the point?

As far as Rhodey, he simply has to be there in some fashion. They can't ignore what happened in IM2. They have to make some statement about what he's doing and what's happened with the War Machine armor. If they can write away Tony's ability to call on the Avengers in IM3, they can surely explain why War Machine isn't bailing him out either.

[Figs]

I agree about not including Black Widow. There's absolutely no reason for her to be there. She's not undercover at Stark Industries anymore, so what would be the point?

As far as Rhodey, he simply has to be there in some fashion. They can't ignore what happened in IM2. They have to make some statement about what he's doing and what's happened with the War Machine armor. If they can write away Tony's ability to call on the Avengers in IM3, they can surely explain why War Machine isn't bailing him out either.

As far as I'm concerned, if they don't it won't bug me that much. I'll just think to myself that he's off doing something else, for the government. He did leave with the armor at the end of IM2 and said to Tony something along the lines of "I wasn't asking" in regards to keeping the suit.

[MarvelKnight]

As far as addressing Rhodes' whereabouts: Stark comes looking for Rhodey to help with whats coming, someone at the base says he is overseas. Done. Short and Sweet. Then if Andy Lau is a good guy, he can help out stark instead.

[kaijunexus]

As far as addressing Rhodes' whereabouts: Stark comes looking for Rhodey to help with whats coming, someone at the base says he is overseas. Done. Short and Sweet. Then if Andy Lau is a good guy, he can help out stark instead.

I really hope they don't resort to single throwaway lines to account for the absence of a character. That would be awful.

[Tony Stark]

If that's true, then that is full of win. If they want to make this film as good as the first one if not better, they need to cut out the fat. I want it to focus on Stark/Iron man, not him AND War Machine. Also, ScarJo has no reason to be in this film.

It was clear from IM2 that Tony retains the War Machine armor. Cheadle can be in this as Rhodey, which is how it should be.

[kaijunexus]

It was clear from IM2 that Tony retains the War Machine armor.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/151/n725075089_288918_2774.jpg

[cherokeesam]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/000/151/n725075089_288918_2774.jpg

Exactly....as mentioned above, IM2 ends with Rhodey *telling* Stark he's taking the MkII, not *asking* him.

And frankly, I'm tired of all the War Machine hate I hear from scattered threads (including this one) on SHH....the fact of the matter is that War Machine has always been a very popular character, still is, and Rhodey remains Stark's closest friend. Writing him out is like writing out Chewbacca, or Rico Tubbs, or Mr. Spock, or The Sundance Kid, or Silent Bob, or Buzz Lightyear, or Joliet Jake.

Screw the haters....bring War Machine back, in full force.

[psylockolussus]

I'm with people who said that Black Widow shouldn't be in this one. I also hope that the War Machine suit is not including in this one. Let Iron Man fight his own battles.

[The Infernal]

Exactly....as mentioned above, IM2 ends with Rhodey *telling* Stark he's taking the MkII, not *asking* him.

And frankly, I'm tired of all the War Machine hate I hear from scattered threads (including this one) on SHH....the fact of the matter is that War Machine has always been a very popular character, still is, and Rhodey remains Stark's closest friend. Writing him out is like writing out Chewbacca, or Rico Tubbs, or Mr. Spock, or The Sundance Kid, or Silent Bob, or Buzz Lightyear, or Joliet Jake.

Screw the haters....bring War Machine back, in full force.

Pretty much. Writing him out by doing something like having Stark ask where he is and be told 'overseas' is insulting to everyone else who followed the first two movies. Rhodey was established as Stark's best friend and a major supporting character, writing him out leaves a gaping black hole.

Though it could be less unbelievable to write him out of the action (or most of it) and just concentrate on his role as Stark's friend. They could try and have Rhodey stay in the States, even if Stark is in trouble in China it would take even an Iron Man/War Machine hours to fly to his rescue and making it almost pointless. Saying that though it would still look weird to audiences who followed both films to see him sit it out.

[The Guard]

Rhodey and War Machine should absolutley be back. In what will likely be the greatest test of Tony's life, his best friend/ally needs to be involved.

Multiple armored characters might make Iron Man's tech look a bit less special/effective (not that IRON MAN 2 did), but that's kind of the point of Extremis, isn't it? Taking the tech to a whole new level?

This cast...

Robert Downy Jr.
Gwyneth Paltrow
Ben Kingsley
Don Cheadle
Jessica Chastain
Guy Pearce
Andy Lau

Wow.

[WildcatNC]

Rhodey is one of Tony's only real "friends", he needs to be in his final chapter and fight for his life.

At the same time, Rhodey wouldn't be allowed to just wonder around in what is now "government property" at will. Even if the government has control of the War Machine armor, Rhodey needs to be in the movie.

[cherokeesam]

Rhodey is one of Tony's only real "friends", he needs to be in his final chapter and fight for his life.

At the same time, Rhodey wouldn't be allowed to just wonder around in what is now "government property" at will. Even if the government has control of the War Machine armor, Rhodey needs to be in the movie.


Yeah, as a good compromise, I could see Iron Man and War Machine taking on the bad guy(s) in an early battle and War Machine getting severely wounded and sent back to the hospital in a coma clinging for his life, while Tony goes off to China on his own to track down the bad guys....not just for basic revenge motif, but maybe to find something that can cure/help Rhodey recover. It's a standard but effective action movie tactic that lets the hero take center stage while still illustrating the full range of his bro-mance with his #1 Bud.

[Hawkingbird]

So has it been confirmed that will be no Avengers involvement of any kind in IM3?

[The Ironstar]

I hoping Thanos appears in Avengers,if so,they need to have the Blood Brothers in end credits of IM3.

[Casius--J]

I would love to see War Machine in this again, I don't see why he can't be out fighting henchmen whilst Stark takes on the "Boss"

[The Infernal]

So has it been confirmed that will be no Avengers involvement of any kind in IM3?

Pretty much.

[MarvelKnight]

I really hope they don't resort to single throwaway lines to account for the absence of a character. That would be awful.

lol, I was just giving a skeleton. They can flesh out specifics however they want. It definitely doesn't need any more than 5 minutes at the most, imho

[4green]

Do some people actually think that War Machine is going to steal Iron Man's thunder? I personally love War Machine, but more importantly, the dynamic of Rhodey and Stark's friendship. They are both foils for one another, Stark being flippant and narcissistic and Rhodey staying grounded and somewhat reasonable. Letting Rhodey don the armor and helping out Iron Man is fine. Imagine how livid these people would get if Stark told Rhodey to take over as Iron Man like he did numerous times in the book?

[MarvelKnight]

Do some people actually think that War Machine is going to steal Iron Man's thunder? I personally love War Machine, but more importantly, the dynamic of Rhodey and Stark's friendship. They are both foils for one another, Stark being flippant and narcissistic and Rhodey staying grounded and somewhat reasonable. Letting Rhodey don the armor and helping out Iron Man is fine. Imagine how livid these people would get if Stark told Rhodey to take over as Iron Man like he did numerous times in the book?

I don't think Cheadle's Rhodes could EVER steal thunder from RDJ/Stark. And I don't dislike War Machine at all.

However, I wasn't just wasn't a fan of Cheadle's portrayal of Rhodes. The performance just didn't jive with me. Maybe that has to do more with writing/script, who knows, but MCU's Rhodey leaves a lot to be desired, for me so far.

I hope his adaptation in the long run succeeds. Maybe Shane Black will nail Rhodey if he is in IM3. But, from the current sample size I have of Rhodey. It sucks. That's just my opinion of the character thus far.

[third3ye]

ScarJo has been said to be sitting out IM3, no need to worry about her taking screen time.

Rhodey is indeed confirmed to return, all you WM haters can crawl back under a rock because I personally think WM is awesome all the way back from the comics. What they need to work on is the chemistry between RDJ and Cheadle. They nailed it with Howard, they lost it with Cheadle, but knowing Cheadle's acting chops it's clearly a script/dialogue issue.

Hearing all the talk about disconnecting Stark from the shared universe world in Avengers, I don't think we should worry too much about Marvel trying to squeeze too much in IM3. This sounds like it's going to focus mostly on Stark and hopefully incorporate a buddy movie element with Rhodes, and maybe they can go full circle and wrap up the Ten Rings with some version of The Mandarin involved.

[MarvelKnight]

ScarJo has been said to be sitting out IM3, no need to worry about her taking screen time.

Rhodey is indeed confirmed to return, all you WM haters can crawl back under a rock because I personally think WM is awesome all the way back from the comics. What they need to work on is the chemistry between RDJ and Cheadle. They nailed it with Howard, they lost it with Cheadle, but knowing Cheadle's acting chops it's clearly a script/dialogue issue.

It could be a script issue and clearly Cheadle has acting chops. But that doesn't mean anything, really. If you don't fit the role, you don't fit the role. Doesn't matter if you're the greatest actor/actress in the history of cinema.

Obviously, we won't really know until IM3 comes out and we see how Cheadle does in round 2 with a different director/writer combo and whatnot.

[Gold Samurai]

RDJ was on Leno he said the next suit would be more flexible in Iron man 3

[BrollySupersj]

RDJ was on Leno he said the next suit would be more flexible in Iron man 3

Bleeding Edge? Doesn't look so bulky from what I've seen.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38888/1087764-10844storystory_full_2797591__super.jpg

What other suits of Iron Man's could be considered "flexible"?

[R_Hythlodeus]

WM is awesome all the way back from the comics.
In the comics, I agree with you. In the movies? sucking up screen time needed everywhere else and provides nothing to the overall story. Not to mention that he does take away from Tonys uniqueness.

[Hypestyle]

more war machine needed in part 3..

[cherokeesam]

In the comics, I agree with you. In the movies? sucking up screen time needed everywhere else and provides nothing to the overall story. Not to mention that he does take away from Tonys uniqueness.


"Provides nothing to the overall story....?"
Where on earth do you get *that* from? War Machine adds a major plot point in IM2; he acts as a foil to Tony; he acts as a friend to Tony; he acts as Tony's conscience.

And how does the WM armor take away from traditional IM armor's uniqueness? Yeah, they look similar, but just like in the comics, they're entirely different platforms....Iron Man's armor is more futuristic and rooted in sci-fi (beam weapons, repulsors, unibeams), while War Machine is definitely more 20th century military ballistics (bullets, missiles, rockets).

[R_Hythlodeus]

"Provides nothing to the overall story....?"
Where on earth do you get *that* from?
IM2


War Machine adds a major plot point in IM2; he acts as a foil to Tony; he acts as a friend to Tony; he acts as Tony's conscience.

Rhodey does that. Not War Machine



And how does the WM armor take away from traditional IM armor's uniqueness? Yeah, they look similar, but just like in the comics, they're entirely different platforms....Iron Man's armor is more futuristic and rooted in sci-fi (beam weapons, repulsors, unibeams), while War Machine is definitely more 20th century military ballistics (bullets, missiles, rockets).

superficial differences. both are men in mecha suits with weapons. Just because WM is old school doesn't make his power set so very different that he works as more than a IM-clone.

I like WM in the comics, he serves a purpose there. but in the comics they have way more time to flesh it all out. IM2 showed us, that all WM can add to a movie is another guy in a high tech armor.

[cherokeesam]

IM2



Rhodey does that. Not War Machine



superficial differences. both are men in mecha suits with weapons. Just because WM is old school doesn't make his power set so very different that he works as more than a IM-clone.

I like WM in the comics, he serves a purpose there. but in the comics they have way more time to flesh it all out. IM2 showed us, that all WM can add to a movie is another guy in a high tech armor.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

[MichaelChen]

The difference between War Machine and Iron Man isn't mainly the weapons, it is the perspective.

Stark brings the eccentric genius Sherlock Holmesy vibe.

Rhodey brings the grounded everyman perspective.

That's what makes them contrast and work dramatically, and would make them work even if the armors were utterly identical instead of just semi-identical.

[Whiskey Tango]

Rhodey does that. Not War Machine

Rhodey *is* War Machine. The only difference is if he's just a supporting character or does he get to kick some ass of his own.

[DarkSovereignty]

one thing i hope black carries over a few of the themes from the first two iron man films, specifically the theme of legacy, specifically the presence howard stark has in the films, despite being long deceased. I know they there was a fair bit of closure with this in the second one, but what favreau and downey did with the howard stark character was my favorite thing about iron man 2 (as well as captain america: first avenger), and it added a lot of the depth to the films. maybe have the ten rings involved with his fathers "car accident," or have stane and anton vanko have been a member of the ten rings as well.

[wampa1]

I do wonder if they'll literally use the Manadrin's rings as power. May be a little too similar to the Infinity Gauntlet if they go that route with Thanos?

[Hunter Rider]

I think Rhodey is a must but not War Machine.

[cherokeesam]

one thing i hope black carries over a few of the themes from the first two iron man films, specifically the theme of legacy, specifically the presence howard stark has in the films, despite being long deceased. I know they there was a fair bit of closure with this in the second one, but what favreau and downey did with the howard stark character was my favorite thing about iron man 2 (as well as captain america: first avenger), and it added a lot of the depth to the films. maybe have the ten rings involved with his fathers "car accident," or have stane and anton vanko have been a member of the ten rings as well.


Pretty sure Stane *was* shown to be a member of the Ten Rings, and even referenced it with a big honkin' ring he wore on his finger.

Vanko, I couldn't really see that. He's more of a garden-variety basement psychopath. Justin Hammer, on the other hand, might be a prime candidate.

[A Necessary Evil]

Whom, unfortunately, will not be coming back.

[DarkSovereignty]

Pretty sure Stane *was* shown to be a member of the Ten Rings, and even referenced it with a big honkin' ring he wore on his finger.

Vanko, I couldn't really see that. He's more of a garden-variety basement psychopath. Justin Hammer, on the other hand, might be a prime candidate.
I meant anton vanko, his father. not as a key plot point, but maybe he was looking to sell arc tech to the ten rings, hence why howard had him deported.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1iykhpSQ01qeu0r1o1_500.gif

In IM3, Stark will have more suits, than in all three films (Iron Man I-II + The Avengers) combined!

[Hunter Rider]

Where is that from?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Where is that from?Marvel Licensing artworks + Kevin Feige interview.

[Iron_Stark]

I think Rhodey is a must but not War Machine.

Agreed

[Hunter Rider]

Marvel Licensing artworks + Kevin Feige interview.

Interesting, so 5 armors? I hope we see the stealth and aqua armors.

[antonydelfini]

I love the Tony-Pepper romance in the Avengers. I hope we get more of it in IM3.

[antsman41]

Interesting, so 5 armors? I hope we see the stealth and aqua armors.

Why does he need an aqua suit when Mark 6 perfectly worked under water?

[HighFivingMF]

Why does he need an aqua suit when Mark 6 perfectly worked under water?

Toys, *****. :o

[Hunter Rider]

Why does he need an aqua suit when Mark 6 perfectly worked under water?

Because it's cool? :O Or it could be a case of needing to go to much lower depths.

[The Infernal]

I wonder if the 'more suits than previous movies combined' just refers to Iron Man's Chinese friends who are rumoured to be wearing their own suits. I mean while it sounds great that IM will have more suits, I just can't see him needing to go through that many himself in one film. The previous suits have generally been story driven.

[cherokeesam]

I meant anton vanko, his father. not as a key plot point, but maybe he was looking to sell arc tech to the ten rings, hence why howard had him deported.

Okay, that's a good idea.
I still want to see Hammer revealed to have ties to the Ten Rings, though. :)

[Blader5489]

Interesting, so 5 armors? I hope we see the stealth and aqua armors.

It'd be 8 armors.

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Mo armors mo problems

[BrollySupersj]

RDJ was on Leno he said the next suit would be more flexible in Iron man 3

Did he mean in context of filming? Or the actual movie?

[Crimson King]

Jon Favreau tweeted this earlier:
There's news coming that makes me happy

Happy, huh?

[rashad]

Jessica Chastain Passes On IRON MAN 3
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/jessica-chastain-passes-iron-man-3/

Cites scheduling conflicts.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Very, very sad to see her go... She's a talented actress and a beautiful one as well. Now, Diane Kruger might be up for the challenge. Going to be interesting, knowing that she was on the list. But I'm definitely not rooting for Artertron or Fisher (don't like them as actresses).

[Superhero 101]

hmm kinda sucks she won't appear

[Spideyfan93]

Diane Kruger is beautiful, wouldn't mind her being in the film!

[STR1]

Is Iron Man 3 going to focus on the Extremis? If it is I hope is done ala Marvel anime "Iron Man Extremis" storyline. That was a cool story!

[kaijunexus]

You know, I was just thinking...

I would love to see an Iron Man battle in the pouring rain, or heavy snow. So far, we've only seen him in clear skies at day or night. I think some harsh weather effects could really liven up a big battle in IM3, and help differentiate it from the battles in the previous two movies!

http://www.tu-pc.com/fondos/media/4316.jpg

[Webfoot Hero]

You know, I was just thinking...

I would love to see an Iron Man battle in the pouring rain, or heavy snow. So far, we've only seen him in clear skies at day or night. I think some harsh weather effects could really liven up a big battle in IM3, and help differentiate it from the battles in the previous two movies!

http://www.tu-pc.com/fondos/media/4316.jpg
That'd actually be a nice change of pace.

[Son of Coul]

I was thinking that too when going to see Avengers. If pulled off vfx-wise, it would look cool as ****.

[RealIrOnMaN]

You know, I was just thinking...

I would love to see an Iron Man battle in the pouring rain, or heavy snow. So far, we've only seen him in clear skies at day or night. I think some harsh weather effects could really liven up a big battle in IM3, and help differentiate it from the battles in the previous two movies!

http://www.tu-pc.com/fondos/media/4316.jpgGood thinking. Also, it's Black's trademark: "At least four of Black's screenplays take place during Christmas."

[RealIrOnMaN]

Jon Favreau tweeted this earlier:


Happy, huh?Nah, more like he's happy about that new show and directing its pilot: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/nbc-series-orders-ryan-murphy-jj-abrams-319978

[Crimson King]

Yeah, I was hoping for something Happier.

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

IM3 is gonna rock. Black is a great choice and I'm interested to see how they put Tony through the ringer. Mallen did a good job of that in extremis and hopefully they do something along those lines. Having a mental connection to the suit would be dope.

[Hawkingbird]

Black aye......


Black
PANTHER
o.O

[A Necessary Evil]

I don't expect faverau back anymore than I do rockwell...unfortunately.

[TheVileOne]

Not necessarily. He could still play Happy Hogan to just to keep that going.

He got credited for Avengers and did apparently visit the set. No reason they couldn't work a deal like that out. Favreau is still a working actor.

[BrollySupersj]

Is anyone else hoping for Stark's voice to be synthesized this time? That's actually one of the very few issues I have with Iron Man in the movies.

[Gianakin_]

Is anyone else hoping for Stark's voice to be synthesized this time? That's actually one of the very few issues I have with Iron Man in the movies.

I don't mind. I think RDJ's voice was changed enough for my tastes in the 3 movies he's been in.

[cherokeesam]

Is anyone else hoping for Stark's voice to be synthesized this time? That's actually one of the very few issues I have with Iron Man in the movies.

Not really. I think it sounds just fine being muffled the way it is in the movies.....the synthetic voice from the toons (and, implicitly, the comics) is a by-product of the whole "Iron Man as bodyguard" charade so that people can't recognize Tony Stark's voice. The fact that the MCU has (wisely) dropped that facade makes it totally unnecessary.

[Compi716]

The first time he spoke in Iron Man 1 ("He's all yours") the voice was slightly synthesized, and it sounded FREAKING BADASS. After I would love I they kept the voice more like that.

[terry78]

He still sounds pretty cool with the IM helmet on.

[third3ye]

It'd be 8 armors.

From the sizzle reel I saw several months ago, it'll be wayyy more than 8 new suits ;) Let's just say Fiege mentioned Tony working on a Mk20-something. Still very early but that was what was hinted, that's all I can say.

[antsman41]

Well, what about Extremis. Is that a Mark __-something in the comics or just called Extremis?

[The Guard]

You know, "more suits" could just mean Stark will spend more time in the boardroom.

[Hawkingbird]

Please don't be his incredibly small original Ultimates suit, please don't be his incredibly small original Ultimates suit, please don't be his incredibly small original Ultimates suit...

[TheGambler]

Good actress:

Rebecca Hall to replace Chastain in 'Iron Man 3' (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118053703)

Rebecca Hall ("The Town") is in talks to join Marvel Studios and Disney's "Iron Man 3," that starts production this month.Thesp would play a scientist who plays a pivotal role in the creation of a nanotechnology, known as Extremis, that winds up being sold to terrorists.

Jessica Chastain announced on her Facebook page, on Monday, she would not be playing the part, due to conflicting projects, after press reports prematurely attached her to the pic. Shane Black is helming and co-writing "Iron Man 3," with Drew Pearce, that brings back Robert Downey Jr. as billionaire Tony Stark and his superhero alter ego Iron Man, along with Gwyneth Paltrow and Don Cheadle. Guy Pearce also is on board, while Ben Kingsley is set to play the villain.

Plot will borrow elements from Warren Ellis' six-issue "Iron Man: Extremis," that also heavily influenced the first "Iron Man" pic, and focuses on the spread of a virus through nanotechnology.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Wow! Hell yes! Love her. Wonderful choice. I'm sure she will agree to join. The cast keeps getting better and better :D

[Hunter Rider]

Quality addition, she'll make a good Madame Masque! :woot:

[JP]

Rebecca Hall >>>>>>>

[Sebastos]

Splendid choice. Damn, THIS CAST.

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Good add I like her. Good actress

[BrollySupersj]

I don't mind. I think RDJ's choice was changed enough for my tastes in the 3 movies he's been in.

Not really. I think it sounds just fine being muffled the way it is in the movies.....the synthetic voice from the toons (and, implicitly, the comics) is a by-product of the whole "Iron Man as bodyguard" charade so that people can't recognize Tony Stark's voice. The fact that the MCU has (wisely) dropped that facade makes it totally unnecessary.

I guess I wanted it because it's cool and all. :oldrazz:

[cherokeesam]

Quality addition, she'll make a good Madame Masque! :woot:


^Agreed 100%. :)

BRING ON WHITNEY.
(And I ain't talkin' about Houston)

[Whiskey Tango]

You know I wish they hadn't killed Stane off. Should have kept him alive and in prison. If only because his suicide in the comics was a memorable thing for me as a kid and it could have made a pretty powerful moment onscreen, especially if they'd have brought him back and played with Tony having conflicted emotions over him or something.

[RealIrOnMaN]

You know I wish they hadn't killed Stane off. Should have kept him alive and in prison. If only because his suicide in the comics was a memorable thing for me as a kid and it could have made a pretty powerful moment onscreen, especially if they'd have brought him back and played with Tony having conflicted emotions over him or something.In a way, as an Iron Man fan myself, I feel your pain. To be honest, that was Marvel Studios' original plan, when they had Mandarin & Crimson Dynamo as primary villains in the very first drafts of Favreau's IM. Stane was just a secondary character, who would later evolve through the course of trilogy into Iron Monger.

But then again, IM spending 3 of his movies fighting only armored folks (with the exception of Mandarin) would've been too awkward and uncreative (considering we've had 2 of them already). So, I don't miss Obadiah that much, although Bridges did a fantastic job (imo, he's one of the greatest actors in the industry)!

[Whiskey Tango]

In a way, as an Iron Man fan myself, I feel your pain. To be honest, that was Marvel Studios' original plan, when they had Mandarin & Crimson Dynamo as primary villains in the very first drafts of Favreau's IM. Stane was just a secondary character, who would later evolve through the course of trilogy into Iron Monger.

mmm that makes sense. And would have been pretty cool. I bet that's when they were still planning on adapting Demon in a Bottle, and having Tony lose the company and then regain it from Stane, huh?

I wonder how much that stuff would have changed if they'd decided against the MCU and kept the films unrelated.

But then again, IM spending 3 of his movies fighting only armored folks (with the exception of Mandarin) would've been too awkward and uncreative (considering we've had 2 of them already). So, I don't miss Obadiah that much, although Bridges did a fantastic job (imo, he's one of the greatest actors in the industry)!

JB is indeed awesome. :up:

[ThePowerCosmic]

^Agreed 100%. :)

BRING ON WHITNEY.
(And I ain't talkin' about Houston)

For obvious reasons...

[Gianakin_]

I guess I wanted it because it's cool and all. :oldrazz:

Hm, the voice in every superhero is a statement about his alter ego and what the hero's trying to achieve via said ego. RDJ's version of Stark wouldn't change his voice too much, he is a narcissist after all. And since he revealed himself to the world you don't have the "concelaing my identity" matter. It makes sense, I think and I really find it cool as hell. Mostly because it's unmistakably RDJ, heh.

[Gianakin_]

In a way, as an Iron Man fan myself, I feel your pain. To be honest, that was Marvel Studios' original plan, when they had Mandarin & Crimson Dynamo as primary villains in the very first drafts of Favreau's IM. Stane was just a secondary character, who would later evolve through the course of trilogy into Iron Monger.

But then again, IM spending 3 of his movies fighting only armored folks (with the exception of Mandarin) would've been too awkward and uncreative (considering we've had 2 of them already). So, I don't miss Obadiah that much, although Bridges did a fantastic job (imo, he's one of the greatest actors in the industry)!

I would've loved a progression for Stane, it would automatically mean more Bridges AND it would make for a far more complex relationship between them. Stane's presence in the IM2 we got would've been a game-changer. Having your mentor slowly deciding to betray you and not use it as a twist within the same movie would've been a very powerful moment for IM3.

[Gianakin_]

Oh, and Rebecca Hall replacing Chastain? Quite an upgrade, and I already love Chastain. Good news. Shane's starting to do it again.:up:

[TheVileOne]

Good casting. I hope she is playing Madam Masque. My thought process is, we can't get Mandarin, I'd like to see Madame Masque or that type of character.

[psylockolussus]

Rebecca Hall is a good choice! :D

[chamber-music]

Cool I watched Supernatural horror movie The Awakening which starred Rebecca Hall the other day and she was great in it.

C84tJgUltko

[Dark Raven]

Rebecca Hall is a great actress and very pretty. I was hoping she would end up as a superheroine herself though such as Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) or someone else. She could be Madame Masque, although they would have to forgo the whole Tony Stark/ Whitney Frost romance unless Whitney was a former lover who has now turned bad.

If Scarlett Johansson shows up as Natasha again, maybe Stark can have his Javier Bardem moment with the two of them. :woot:

[Gianakin_]

If Scarlett Johansson shows up as Natasha again, maybe Stark can have his Javier Bardem moment with the two of them. :woot:

Heh, that would've been funny, but she's not coming back.

[Sgt.Pepper]

I really hope that the information (http://www.cinematographers.nl/PaginasDoPh/toll.htm) about John Toll being the DP for this movie is true because then I would be really excited for Iron Man 3.

[Dark Raven]

Heh, that would've been funny, but she's not coming back.

Well Stark only really needs to bed Natasha at the beginning, and then she stays passed out in bed for the rest of the movie while he has his fun with Rebecca Hall, who was rather sceptical of and antagonistic towards him at the beginning. I'd like a scene where he takes them both out to dinner though. Pepper can have the Penelope Cruz role. :woot:

[The Englishman]

I know Rhodey is coming back in the 3rd film but do you think we will see War Machine again?

[RealIrOnMaN]

I really hope that the information (http://www.cinematographers.nl/PaginasDoPh/toll.htm) about John Toll being the DP for this movie is true because then I would be really excited for Iron Man 3.Nice) Love his style. Matthew Libatique was good, but I'm pretty sure that Toll is going to bring the best of him in the movie. Color me impressed. This movie seems to hit it off with damn good casting and directing choices. Perfect!

[BrollySupersj]

I know Rhodey is coming back in the 3rd film but do you think we will see War Machine again?

Maybe. The story for IM3 is supposedly having Stark be isolated from the rest of the world, or something.

Perhaps Rhodey will save him at one point in the movie.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Now, if only they would get the soundtrack right this time. I know that there are some people who loved/hated Djawadi and Debney's efforts for the previous IM's, but Stark doesn't have his own recognizable music theme (AC/DC & Black Sabbath doesn't count).

Hans Zimmer won't be busy after TDKR, right?) So, one could assume that if Marvel plays its cards right, then with mr. Zimmer's help they might possibly make IM theme memorable and awesome enough. Just imagine the possibilities...

[RealIrOnMaN]

Perhaps Rhodey will save him at one point in the movie.http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3kyomFP0s1qc01jno1_500.png

:awesome:

[BrollySupersj]

again*

[RealIrOnMaN]

again*What makes this scene so special and wonderful is its emotional intensity and the natural dynamic between Downey and Howard.

[Sgt.Pepper]

Nice) Love his style. Matthew Libatique was good, but I'm pretty sure that Toll is going to bring the best of him in the movie. Color me impressed. This movie seems to hit it off with damn good casting and directing choices. Perfect!

Yeah, Toll is a real talent. And I agree with you, Iron Man 3 is headed in a very good direction. I'm very excited. :up:

[BrollySupersj]

What makes this scene so special and wonderful is its emotional intensity and the natural dynamic between Downey and Howard.

Terrence Howard was good in IM1. But I liked Cheadle more. He played Rhodey so well. Nothing against Howard at all, but I'm glad Cheadle came in when he did.

[Iron_Stark]

Why are people saying Rebecca Hall is going to play Madame Masque? She's up for the role of Maya Hensan(sp).

[Hunter Rider]

I thought I was the only one making the Madame Masque reference and it's only because I want her and Ghost to be in it, nothing more.

[MarvelKnight]

That picture makes me want to watch IM1 again.

[RealIrOnMaN]

While we have no big IM3 news (the ones that I have are not ready to be unveiled, not yet) I decided to revisit Iron Man 2 today on my Blu for the 1st time in 2 years. And you know what, I wasn't really excited nor happy, as I was during its initial release. The whole experience seems really different to me, now that I've seen all 6 MCU films.

First of all, the movie doesn't have the clear structure (plan) and that is why storyline suffers the most. I strongly believe, that Theroux wasn't the right guy for the job. Imo, RDJ overreacted during the shooting of Tropic Thunder and made a big mistake, by offering Theroux a scriptwriter position. In the end, it cost him, Favreau, Marvel Studios crew, fans & general public a GREAT sequel. I'm sorry to say that, but the truth is - what we've got is simply a collection of cool action scenes, visual spectacles and little story development (yes, we do have one, but you got to admit that it was EXTREMELY RUSHED).

The biggest problem with IM2 is that it tries to be too much, since most of the sequels have this tendency to go 'bigger, better' in scope. Don't get me wrong, there are great examples when 2 is better than 1 (Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight, X-Men 2). We're observing several themes: Stark's legacy, his actions and its ramifications on his close ones, facing new enemies Vanko & Hammer, and S.H.I.E.L.D connections. And there's the whole 'public awareness' stuff, but it seems to be that as well as everything else in this film - it got completely out of control as well, which is the right way to describe the whole situation.

I don't feel satisfied with the exploration of the character of Tony Stark in this film. In fact, one of the many reasons why I loved Iron Man I so much is mainly because it showed an unusual, but not complete, transformation of a gifted individual into something more, than he already is. The way we see Stark's flaws and how he tries to overcome them and accept them is truly honorable. His big decision (a promise) to change the world for the better and protect the innocent ones (especially the ones, that suffered because of his tech) is one of the many aspects, that make IM1 a wonderful piece of art, but it is also represents something that I really wanted to see in IM2, after leaving IM1 in 2008. In particular: how he is going to handle all of that, especially with the revelation of his secret identity?

Allow me to quote Steve Rogers from The Avengers to express what exactly I see as a major problem of IM2:"I know guys with none of that worth ten of you. I've seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you. You know, you may not be a threat, but you better stop pretending to be a hero."Bingo, thank you very much Joss. Tony Stark doesn't go through any character development, at all. Stark Expo and the way he is 'preserving peace' equals another plot holes (and god almighty, this movie has a lot of them), that don't have a definitive ending. I expected to see something heroic in Tony's actions: inventing something useful and creative not only for himself, but for those in need, clearing up the streets of Los-Angeles from criminal scum... Something, that would show us exactly why Iron Man is a superhero. Instead, we're getting a 2-hour with something tale of a self-obsessed and volatile billionaire, that doesn't give a damn about anything except of his big ego + daddy/best friend/girlfriend issues along with 2 pricks and annoying organisation.

Yes, I know, you might say: "well, he has this urgent/deadly paladium problem and he needs to deal with it, fast, wait, what about Stark Expo - this is his legacy and the gift to the people of the world, right?" Well, no, it's clearly not. See, this is why IM2 doesn't work as a solo piece or a movie itself: we're supposed to believe, that Stark is actually taking care of someone else (beside himself and his close ones), but we don't see it, not in this movie. There is a wise saying: sometimes words aren't enough. God bless Whedon for the Avengers, but, honestly, in an ideal world, we should've seen that side of Iron Man in the sequel.

I would give more thoughts about some things, that don't work in this movie, but I am sure you know them all too well without me. What I am trying to say (and it is my main concern about the threequel) is that I want to see is how Shane Black deals with Tony's heroic side (especially after the courage and bravery that he shown, when he was fixing the Hellicarrier and saving all the citizens of NYC). We don't need to see Tony spending half of his own movie lying on his couch in LA or NYC and doing 'funny' stuff (been there, done that).

What we do know now is that Tony has created a brand new clean energy source, so Black might take this idea and take it into new heights. What does it mean for everyone else? How does it change or doesn't change things and etc. Expand the storyline wisely and show the audience exactly why should they root for the character (not only because of his witty and daring attitude). I believe, that with the right and smart use of the Extremis storyline along with Black's writing skills we are up for something different and new.

[Hunter Rider]

Very good write-up RIM. I think another major issue, and maybe this links to your point about Theroux, is that Tony is pretty annoying in the movie, they really overplay the sarcasm and half sentence smartassness to the point it reminded me of how I felt Depp needed reining in in the POTC sequels.

In The Avengers he was back to the Tony of IM1, cocky but charming, smart and knowing it but wanting to use his talent and creations for the greater good.

I think the clean energy source is a good place to start for IM3 because if the plan is for it to be more of an espionage movie, then what would rivals want to steal or sabotage more than that?

I just hope The Ghost is still a possibility. :( ;)

[Hawkingbird]

I'd like The Hood to pop up in one Marvel movie....

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

Nice write up RIM! I have always felt indifferent about IM2 after loving the first, but never could express why that feeling of indifference existed and i think you might have just took my thoughts out of my mind. Agree 100%.

[Gianakin_]

While we have no big IM3 news (the ones that I have are not ready to be unveiled, not yet) I decided to revisit Iron Man 2 today on my Blu for the 1st time in 2 years. And you know what, I wasn't really excited nor happy, as I was during its initial release. The whole experience seems really different to me, now that I've seen all 6 MCU films.

First of all, the movie doesn't have the clear structure (plan) and that is why storyline suffers the most. I strongly believe, that Theroux wasn't the right guy for the job. Imo, RDJ overreacted during the shooting of Tropic Thunder and made a big mistake, by offering Theroux a scriptwriter position. In the end, it cost him, Favreau, Marvel Studios crew, fans & general public a GREAT sequel. I'm sorry to say that, but the truth is - what we've got is simply a collection of cool action scenes, visual spectacles and little story development (yes, we do have one, but you got to admit that it was EXTREMELY RUSHED).

The biggest problem with IM2 is that it tries to be too much, since most of the sequels have this tendency to go 'bigger, better' in scope. Don't get me wrong, there are great examples when 2 is better than 1 (Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight, X-Men 2). We're observing several themes: Stark's legacy, his actions and its ramifications on his close ones, facing new enemies Vanko & Hammer, and S.H.I.E.L.D connections. And there's the whole 'public awareness' stuff, but it seems to be that as well as everything else in this film - it got completely out of control as well, which is the right way to describe the whole situation.

I don't feel satisfied with the exploration of the character of Tony Stark in this film. In fact, one of the many reasons why I loved Iron Man I so much is mainly because it showed an unusual, but not complete, transformation of a gifted individual into something more, than he already is. The way we see Stark's flaws and how he tries to overcome them and accept them is truly honorable. His big decision (a promise) to change the world for the better and protect the innocent ones (especially the ones, that suffered because of his tech) is one of the many aspects, that make IM1 a wonderful piece of art, but it is also represents something that I really wanted to see in IM2, after leaving IM1 in 2008. In particular: how he is going to handle all of that, especially with the revelation of his secret identity?

Allow me to quote Steve Rogers from The Avengers to express what exactly I see as a major problem of IM2:[/SIZE]Bingo, thank you very much Joss. Tony Stark doesn't go through any character development, at all. Stark Expo and the way he is 'preserving peace' equals another plot holes (and god almighty, this movie has a lot of them), that don't have a definitive ending. I expected to see something heroic in Tony's actions: inventing something useful and creative not only for himself, but for those in need, clearing up the streets of Los-Angeles from criminal scum... Something, that would show us exactly why Iron Man is a superhero. Instead, we're getting a 2-hour with something tale of a self-obsessed and volatile billionaire, that doesn't give a damn about anything except of his big ego + daddy/best friend/girlfriend issues along with 2 pricks and annoying organisation.

Yes, I know, you might say: "well, he has this urgent/deadly paladium problem and he needs to deal with it, fast, wait, what about Stark Expo - this is his legacy and the gift to the people of the world, right?" Well, no, it's clearly not. See, this is why IM2 doesn't work as a solo piece or a movie itself: we're supposed to believe, that Stark is actually taking care of someone else (beside himself and his close ones), but we don't see it, not in this movie. There is a wise saying: sometimes words aren't enough. God bless Whedon for the Avengers, but, honestly, in an ideal world, we should've seen that side of Iron Man in the sequel.

I would give more thoughts about some things, that don't work in this movie, but I am sure you know them all too well without me. What I am trying to say (and it is my main concern about the threequel) is that I want to see is how Shane Black deals with Tony's heroic side (especially after the courage and bravery that he shown, when he was fixing the Hellicarrier and saving all the citizens of NYC). We don't need to see Tony spending half of his own movie lying on his couch in LA or NYC and doing 'funny' stuff (been there, done that).

What we do know now is that Tony has created a brand new clean energy source, so Black might take this idea and take it into new heights. What does it mean for everyone else? How does it change or doesn't change things and etc. Expand the storyline wisely and show the audience exactly why should they root for the character (not only because of his witty and daring attitude). I believe, that with the right and smart use of the Extremis storyline along with Black's writing skills we are up for something different and new.


Bravo. I always thought that a big part of IM2's problems was Theroux. Tropic Thunder was such a different beast from IM2, that RDJ got sidetracked of what's important for Star/IM and thought the success of the movie had almost everything to do with humour, when in reality it was the combination of humour with Stark's inherent kindness and deeper confusion about his place in the world.

Stark's characterization in the Avengers is what should've been included in IM2. Instead we got moments of brilliance from Whedon that were destined to be just that, moments, because of the task of balancing asll the protagonists. Whedon gave Tony back his "heart", which was so sweetly touched upon in IM1 (he also gave Banner a heart to begin with, so that's great, too).

The worst thing? I think Favreau's heart and mind were in the absolutely right place. The overall themes he tried to play with were spot on. But when time came to turn the ideas and themes into a script, it all fell apart.

I think this time we're gonna get something special and, since IM1 is my favorite MCU movie, I think that with what we know about IM3, it has every opportunity to top that. Shane Black is probably the best thing to happen to this franchise.:up:

[Whiskey Tango]

sequels have this tendency to go 'bigger, better' in scope.

This is what kills a lot of sequels imo. Don't worry so much about improving the spectacle. Just make a good movie. 'bigger and better' is what leads to all the clownish, eye-rolling moments that would never have flown in the first movie (like Jack Sparrow tied to the bamboo pole in PotC 2)

[Danalys]

Tony was too realistically ill in IM2. RDJ went full ill.

[Parker Wayne]

I agree with everything you said RIM. Theroux's screenwriting was terribly done and he was the wrong guy for the job. Not only was the script bad, but it was also rushed. The script obviously needed to be rewritten. It makes you wish they hired Whedon sooner so he could rewrite Iron Man 2's script also. :funny:

[Hawkingbird]

I really wish Whendon was directing IM3, T2 and CA2

[Parker Wayne]

Personally, I'd prefer him to only do The Avengers. I want each of them to have their unique looks and feels.

Plus, Shane Black.

[Gianakin_]

:up:

[HighFivingMF]

I really wish Whendon was directing IM3, T2 and CA2

I would cry.

Shane Black damn it.

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Whedon might've been more open to having the Mandarin.

[MarvelKnight]

Whedon should just be the director for the entire MCU. lol.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Given Black's feelings on Mandarin, would anyone be upset if Black made Ghost leader of the Ten Rings organization?

[MarvelKnight]

Given Black's feelings on Mandarin, would anyone be upset if Black made Ghost leader of the Ten Rings organization?

Don't like that idea. At all.

[Blader5489]

Has there been any word on whether or not Sam Rockwell return (for even a cameo)?

[MarvelKnight]

I Haven't even seem that in the rumor mill

[RealIrOnMaN]

Jeremy Latcham (producer of Marvel Studios films) on Justin Hammer:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyusi0q2PI1r0xrjyo1_400.gif

"We definitely took steps to make sure that Justin Hammer did not get killed at the end of Iron Man 2, because we're going to want to see him again. He's a compelling guy, he's got a lot to say, he has a relationship with Tony Stark, there's like a ton of reasons why you want him alive and around to kind of secretly pop up later."

[Whiskey Tango]

Plus he's an awesome dancer!

TNOa-9C-pP4

[Silvermoth]

Personally, I'd prefer him to only do The Avengers. I want each of them to have their unique looks and feels.

Plus, Shane Black.

I tend to agree. I like that each superhero has their own genre. It keeps things fresh.

Basically, this is what I see a perfect movie matching the character as in terms of style...

Iron Man - Science Fiction - The Matrix
Thor - Fantasy - Lord of the Rings
Captain America - Spy thriller - Bourne Ultimatum

and possibly in the future...
Hulk - Action blockbuster/Psychological thriller - Transformers meets Black Swan.

[TheWiseGuy487]

Jeremy Latcham (producer of Marvel Studios films) on Justin Hammer:

I hope they actually give him something more substantial to do in this film. I was really looking forward to his performance in Iron Man 2, because all of the interviews that I read gave the impression that he was supposed to be this really big foil to Tony Stark. Sadly, he was hardly given any material to work with, and all he pretty much did was tell jokes, ham it up on screen and help create the Hammer drones. He was pretty much just a poor man's Tony Stark.

[BrollySupersj]

Jeremy Latcham (producer of Marvel Studios films) on Justin Hammer:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyusi0q2PI1r0xrjyo1_400.gif

If he comes back in IM3, I will be so pleased.:woot:

[bunk]

I could see Hammer dealing with the events of IM2 really poorly and coming back as a darker character.

[Whiskey Tango]

I wouldn't mind that, tbh that's part of what I was thinking the other day when I mentioned how I wished they'd have kept Stane alive. Would have been cool to bring a few of Tony's old opponents back in an alliance of sorts, maybe.

Prison would have to harden Hammer up a bit tho. I feel like the film went a tad too far in making him a chump.

[Dark Raven]

I could see Hammer dealing with the events of IM2 really poorly and coming back as a darker character.

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

They could start Justin Hammer down that path. It'd work better because Tony wouldn't expect that level of cunning. He would catch Tony off guard.

[chamber-music]

If Justin Hammer does comeback I would definitely prefer a more ruthless, cunning and aggressive take on the character.

Alot of Iron Man's villains are working together right now in the comics to bring down Tony so I could see Hammer working with possibly Mandarin.

[bunk]

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

I would've preferred if he were English and also not so much of screw up. He was really portrayed as not being able to do anything right, which seems silly given his high powered status.

[Hypestyle]

I hope that some kind of trailer is available by December, during the christmas holiday season. So now how will this avoid the third-film curse?

Hopefully the film will have multiple international settings.. almost too bad about Tony and Pepper's romance, though Tony should do some safe flirting iwith various women in the film..

Bruce Banner can have a cameo without a transformation.. Tony wants his help in analyzing what the extremis virus can do in human enhancement..

[The Guard]

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

As forced as that is...I'm kind of all for it.

[Brian Braddock]

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

Like it.

David Warner's still going strong. So too Edward Fox.

[Hunter Rider]

He should have a sex change and brecome Justine Hammer!

http://s17.postimage.org/48xbt0pzz/78644_105064_crimson_cowl_large.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[terry78]

I wish he were a darker character to start with. Maybe they could retcon it that he has an older father, Justin Hammer Sr who looks just like the comic version, is an Englishman and just as ruthless.

Well, you guys are pretty evil.

[Dark Raven]

Like it.

David Warner's still going strong. So too Edward Fox.

If he hadn't played Magneto, Ian McKellan would've looked like an accurate comic book Hammer.

Or how about Jesper Christensen (Bond villain Mr White in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace)?

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216587_209960352356632_133820489970619_774606_2609 65_n.jpg

He didn't look like that in the movie, but seems to have dyed his hair white for something. He looks just like Justin Hammer there. Get him as Sam Rockwell's dad and all will be redeemed.

[AndrewGilkison]

The only problem I have with Rockwell's Hammer is that his version of the character is a complete idiot. Great for comedic relief (in small doses) but he isn't any real kind of a threat to Stark, especially because his company can't build any tech that works. That's what IM2 needed, and what IM3 needs... a real threat to Stark.

[Brian Braddock]

^^^That's been posted on here before, and the general consensus seemed to be that there was absolutely no reason why Hammer couldnt come back more serious and deadly,with his experience in prison changing and shaping him. Also, let's not be totally revisionist here, while he was largely comics relief in IM2 [so what if his tech wasnt great and it was played for laughs? He has the rescources to bring in someone who's tech is. In fact, that's what he did with Vanko, springing him from prison etc].

Hammer did show moments of ruthlessness and the potential to be a viable threat. Could be that his imprisonment [and ordeals within that prison] was the experience which changed him. Sam Rockwell with darker, more serious approach to the character [now single-mindedly out for revenge] would be awesome.

[Crimson King]

I think having Hammer's tech being laughably bad was the only terrible decision with the character. It definitely took away from his believability as a bad guy.

[Tissues]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/jon-favreau-talks-iron-man-3-revolution-324003

[Tony Stark]

While he was very different from the comic book Hammer, I understood the change. Vanko was the threat to Stark because he was almost as smart as Stark. Hammer was a rival of Tony's and took over all his weapons contracts after Stark got out of the weapons business, but realized that being a weapons contractor was useless with Iron Man, so he tried to copy Iron Man. Hammer realized that Vanko was the only one that could do that.

My problem with Iron Man 2 had nothing to do with Hammer, but rather than Vanko should have been Crimson Dynamo and not Whiplash. I guess they chose whiplash because they thought CD would be too close to Iron Monger.

[Tony Stark]

While we have no big IM3 news (the ones that I have are not ready to be unveiled, not yet) I decided to revisit Iron Man 2 today on my Blu for the 1st time in 2 years. And you know what, I wasn't really excited nor happy, as I was during its initial release. The whole experience seems really different to me, now that I've seen all 6 MCU films.

First of all, the movie doesn't have the clear structure (plan) and that is why storyline suffers the most. I strongly believe, that Theroux wasn't the right guy for the job. Imo, RDJ overreacted during the shooting of Tropic Thunder and made a big mistake, by offering Theroux a scriptwriter position. In the end, it cost him, Favreau, Marvel Studios crew, fans & general public a GREAT sequel. I'm sorry to say that, but the truth is - what we've got is simply a collection of cool action scenes, visual spectacles and little story development (yes, we do have one, but you got to admit that it was EXTREMELY RUSHED).

The biggest problem with IM2 is that it tries to be too much, since most of the sequels have this tendency to go 'bigger, better' in scope. Don't get me wrong, there are great examples when 2 is better than 1 (Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight, X-Men 2). We're observing several themes: Stark's legacy, his actions and its ramifications on his close ones, facing new enemies Vanko & Hammer, and S.H.I.E.L.D connections. And there's the whole 'public awareness' stuff, but it seems to be that as well as everything else in this film - it got completely out of control as well, which is the right way to describe the whole situation.

I don't feel satisfied with the exploration of the character of Tony Stark in this film. In fact, one of the many reasons why I loved Iron Man I so much is mainly because it showed an unusual, but not complete, transformation of a gifted individual into something more, than he already is. The way we see Stark's flaws and how he tries to overcome them and accept them is truly honorable. His big decision (a promise) to change the world for the better and protect the innocent ones (especially the ones, that suffered because of his tech) is one of the many aspects, that make IM1 a wonderful piece of art, but it is also represents something that I really wanted to see in IM2, after leaving IM1 in 2008. In particular: how he is going to handle all of that, especially with the revelation of his secret identity?

Allow me to quote Steve Rogers from The Avengers to express what exactly I see as a major problem of IM2:[/SIZE]Bingo, thank you very much Joss. Tony Stark doesn't go through any character development, at all. Stark Expo and the way he is 'preserving peace' equals another plot holes (and god almighty, this movie has a lot of them), that don't have a definitive ending. I expected to see something heroic in Tony's actions: inventing something useful and creative not only for himself, but for those in need, clearing up the streets of Los-Angeles from criminal scum... Something, that would show us exactly why Iron Man is a superhero. Instead, we're getting a 2-hour with something tale of a self-obsessed and volatile billionaire, that doesn't give a damn about anything except of his big ego + daddy/best friend/girlfriend issues along with 2 pricks and annoying organisation.

Yes, I know, you might say: "well, he has this urgent/deadly paladium problem and he needs to deal with it, fast, wait, what about Stark Expo - this is his legacy and the gift to the people of the world, right?" Well, no, it's clearly not. See, this is why IM2 doesn't work as a solo piece or a movie itself: we're supposed to believe, that Stark is actually taking care of someone else (beside himself and his close ones), but we don't see it, not in this movie. There is a wise saying: sometimes words aren't enough. God bless Whedon for the Avengers, but, honestly, in an ideal world, we should've seen that side of Iron Man in the sequel.

I would give more thoughts about some things, that don't work in this movie, but I am sure you know them all too well without me. What I am trying to say (and it is my main concern about the threequel) is that I want to see is how Shane Black deals with Tony's heroic side (especially after the courage and bravery that he shown, when he was fixing the Hellicarrier and saving all the citizens of NYC). We don't need to see Tony spending half of his own movie lying on his couch in LA or NYC and doing 'funny' stuff (been there, done that).

What we do know now is that Tony has created a brand new clean energy source, so Black might take this idea and take it into new heights. What does it mean for everyone else? How does it change or doesn't change things and etc. Expand the storyline wisely and show the audience exactly why should they root for the character (not only because of his witty and daring attitude). I believe, that with the right and smart use of the Extremis storyline along with Black's writing skills we are up for something different and new.


First off, no question IM2 was a step down from the original, and there's no two ways around that, and now comparing it to Avengers.....well there's no comparison. I would also put it behind Thor and Cap movies, but I'd put it above TIH, although they are close.

The point is the movie is alot better than people give it credit for, but it's a very different film. I can understand about it being rushed, and that's a fair criticism.

Personally I don't want to see anything in Avengers used as a spring board for Iron Man 3. They need to go back to what the original one was about, and about what Iron Man has always been about, Tony as a futurist and constantly trying to improve himself, both physically and as a person internally.

If they go the Extremis route, I feel this is the perfect vehicle, because one it's about Tony making the suit more a part of him.

Incorporating Mandarin, the ten rings, along with Maya and Killian is a great way to mix these stories in with the movie verse, so you can give something original to the fans, but a very compelling story.

[BrollySupersj]

While we have no big IM3 news (the ones that I have are not ready to be unveiled, not yet)

Hold the phone.


You have IM3 news? :huh:

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Shooting starts pretty soon. Black and RDJ are gonna make this movie rock

[J.Howlett]

While we have no big IM3 news (the ones that I have are not ready to be unveiled, not yet) I decided to revisit Iron Man 2 today on my Blu for the 1st time in 2 years. And you know what, I wasn't really excited nor happy, as I was during its initial release. The whole experience seems really different to me, now that I've seen all 6 MCU films.

First of all, the movie doesn't have the clear structure (plan) and that is why storyline suffers the most. I strongly believe, that Theroux wasn't the right guy for the job. Imo, RDJ overreacted during the shooting of Tropic Thunder and made a big mistake, by offering Theroux a scriptwriter position. In the end, it cost him, Favreau, Marvel Studios crew, fans & general public a GREAT sequel. I'm sorry to say that, but the truth is - what we've got is simply a collection of cool action scenes, visual spectacles and little story development (yes, we do have one, but you got to admit that it was EXTREMELY RUSHED).

The biggest problem with IM2 is that it tries to be too much, since most of the sequels have this tendency to go 'bigger, better' in scope. Don't get me wrong, there are great examples when 2 is better than 1 (Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man 2, The Dark Knight, X-Men 2). We're observing several themes: Stark's legacy, his actions and its ramifications on his close ones, facing new enemies Vanko & Hammer, and S.H.I.E.L.D connections. And there's the whole 'public awareness' stuff, but it seems to be that as well as everything else in this film - it got completely out of control as well, which is the right way to describe the whole situation.

I don't feel satisfied with the exploration of the character of Tony Stark in this film. In fact, one of the many reasons why I loved Iron Man I so much is mainly because it showed an unusual, but not complete, transformation of a gifted individual into something more, than he already is. The way we see Stark's flaws and how he tries to overcome them and accept them is truly honorable. His big decision (a promise) to change the world for the better and protect the innocent ones (especially the ones, that suffered because of his tech) is one of the many aspects, that make IM1 a wonderful piece of art, but it is also represents something that I really wanted to see in IM2, after leaving IM1 in 2008. In particular: how he is going to handle all of that, especially with the revelation of his secret identity?

Allow me to quote Steve Rogers from The Avengers to express what exactly I see as a major problem of IM2:[/SIZE]Bingo, thank you very much Joss. Tony Stark doesn't go through any character development, at all. Stark Expo and the way he is 'preserving peace' equals another plot holes (and god almighty, this movie has a lot of them), that don't have a definitive ending. I expected to see something heroic in Tony's actions: inventing something useful and creative not only for himself, but for those in need, clearing up the streets of Los-Angeles from criminal scum... Something, that would show us exactly why Iron Man is a superhero. Instead, we're getting a 2-hour with something tale of a self-obsessed and volatile billionaire, that doesn't give a damn about anything except of his big ego + daddy/best friend/girlfriend issues along with 2 pricks and annoying organisation.

Yes, I know, you might say: "well, he has this urgent/deadly paladium problem and he needs to deal with it, fast, wait, what about Stark Expo - this is his legacy and the gift to the people of the world, right?" Well, no, it's clearly not. See, this is why IM2 doesn't work as a solo piece or a movie itself: we're supposed to believe, that Stark is actually taking care of someone else (beside himself and his close ones), but we don't see it, not in this movie. There is a wise saying: sometimes words aren't enough. God bless Whedon for the Avengers, but, honestly, in an ideal world, we should've seen that side of Iron Man in the sequel.

I would give more thoughts about some things, that don't work in this movie, but I am sure you know them all too well without me. What I am trying to say (and it is my main concern about the threequel) is that I want to see is how Shane Black deals with Tony's heroic side (especially after the courage and bravery that he shown, when he was fixing the Hellicarrier and saving all the citizens of NYC). We don't need to see Tony spending half of his own movie lying on his couch in LA or NYC and doing 'funny' stuff (been there, done that).

What we do know now is that Tony has created a brand new clean energy source, so Black might take this idea and take it into new heights. What does it mean for everyone else? How does it change or doesn't change things and etc. Expand the storyline wisely and show the audience exactly why should they root for the character (not only because of his witty and daring attitude). I believe, that with the right and smart use of the Extremis storyline along with Black's writing skills we are up for something different and new.

Bravo!

And what's funny is that Avengers actually made Iron Man 2 slightly more tolerable just with the opening scene between Tony and Pepper alone because of the clean energy aspect to the scene. It's a reference to Tony's opening speech at the Expo and what he created to save himself. Tony, giving back and annoucing a new clean energy source at the Expo, is how Iron Man 2 should have ended.

It took Joss all of three minutes to fix Tony's character at how he was left in Iron Man 2. Amazing...and I've been saying this for two years.

I hope Iron Man 3 is great for you guys but I'll await my next Iron Man adventure with Avengers 2...even if they're using the storyline I've been begging them to use since the end of the first film.

[TheGambler]

James Badge Dale In ‘Iron Man 3′ Talks (http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/james-badge-dale-in-iron-man-3-talks/)

James Badge Dale will play Savin, a villain in Iron Man 3. Robert Downey Jr stars and Shane Black is directing. Badge Dale just finished The Lone Ranger for Disney, and will next be seen in the Robert Zemeckis-directed Flight with Denzel Washington and World War Z with Brad Pitt. Marvel Studios has just gotten underway with the film. Ben Kinsgley has been rumored as The Mandarin, and Gwyneth Paltrow and Rebecca Hall are also in the film. Dale is repped by CAA and MJ Management.

He was also in The Pacific, great performance in that show.

[4green]

Does anyone think he'll become "Coldblood"? or is that gonna just add too many to the villain roster?

[Figs]

Does anyone think he'll become "Coldblood"? or is that gonna just add too many to the villain roster?

Well how many confirmed villains are there? Did they announce that Kingsley will be a villain or not?

[terry78]

Rubicon was insanely underrated when it was on AMC.

[4green]

Well how many confirmed villains are there? Did they announce that Kingsley will be a villain or not?

I thought he was cast as a villain....but its always speculation. So far, rumor mill has the following:

-A possible Chinese team of armored characters involving Andy Lau (speculative)

-Kingsley may or may NOT be Mandarin (speculative)

- and if they are (at this point "loosely") basing it on Extremis, who will be the opponent that Iron Man must contend with which ultimately leads to him taking the Extremis virus?

-James Badge Dale plays a character who becomes "Coldblood" in the comics. Perhaps they will alter his history and make him the "Mallen" of the story?

I can only imagine that this will be a vast reinterpretation of the material it is based on, considering those who are additionally involved.

[peterparker0077]

I thought IM2 was great. I like IM1 better, but 2 was also good.

As far as why Tony doesn't call on Shield for help.. I think that is obvious after Avengers.. he doesn't trust Shield, he never knows if they're really good, or if they're doing bad things in the background. I thought Avengers made this clear, I thought Captain America's lines made this clear. It's why they ultimately went off on their own as Avengers, which is a big plot point.

[Tony Stark]

This seems like misinformation. They wouldn't make him Coldblood as he was never an enemy of Iron Man. It's got to be Mallen.

[Figs]

I thought he was cast as a villain....but its always speculation. So far, rumor mill has the following:

-A possible Chinese team of armored characters involving Andy Lau (speculative)

-Kingsley may or may NOT be Mandarin (speculative)

- and if they are (at this point "loosely") basing it on Extremis, who will be the opponent that Iron Man must contend with which ultimately leads to him taking the Extremis virus?

-James Badge Dale plays a character who becomes "Coldblood" in the comics. Perhaps they will alter his history and make him the "Mallen" of the story?

I can only imagine that this will be a vast reinterpretation of the material it is based on, considering those who are additionally involved.

Thanks for the info. I can't wait to hear more, I'm hoping this movie is as good as the first film if not better.

[Webfoot Hero]

I liked Dale back on Season 3 of 24 so it's nice to see a familiar face in the movie. As for his role, I'm not quite sure how his character fits into the whole Extremis-inspired storyline, but I think it'll be somewhat creative with Black helming the project.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.onlocationvacations.com/2012/05/16/first-iron-man-3-on-location-shoot-details-in-wilmington-n-c/

[Gold Samurai]

I need help remembering a rumor. I read in the last few weeks that Iron Man 3 could have as many as five armors?

I think the rumor came from comic book movie.

[Iron_Stark]

5 armors?? A little much imo. But so long as Tony's the only one wearing the armor I suppose its ok. No War Machine and deffinatly no Pepper Potts in the Rescue armor.

This new villian sounds interesting, he's not an Iron Man villain, but in the comics he has a connection to Roxxon. He does sound more interesting than Mallen though, Iron Man fighting a cyborg is better than him fighing a regular pissed off guy.

[cherokeesam]

This seems like misinformation. They wouldn't make him Coldblood as he was never an enemy of Iron Man. It's got to be Mallen.

I'll say it again: I don't think they'll use Mallen at all. Mallen is too risky a character for Marvel Studios to gamble on --- Timothy McVeigh, basically....a homegrown militia terrorist with political views that are far righter than the craziest right-wing nutjob.

So Savin will probably become the guy who gets injected with Extremis tech, and in essence becomes a mix of "Super Mallen" and Coldblood, but without actually being given a name (which keeps with the IM tradition of never naming the enemy --- the terms Ironmonger and Whiplash were never used in the films).

[marvel_freshman]

I need help remembering a rumor. I read in the last few weeks that Iron Man 3 could have as many as five armors?

I think the rumor came from comic book movie.
5 armors?? A little much imo. But so long as Tony's the only one wearing the armor I suppose its ok. No War Machine and deffinatly no Pepper Potts in the Rescue armor.

This new villian sounds interesting, he's not an Iron Man villain, but in the comics he has a connection to Roxxon. He does sound more interesting than Mallen though, Iron Man fighting a cyborg is better than him fighing a regular pissed off guy.


That matter has been settled;).


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In IM3, Stark will have more suits, than in all three films (Iron Man I-II + The Avengers) combined!

[Avenger]

I'll say it again: I don't think they'll use Mallen at all. Mallen is too risky a character for Marvel Studios to gamble on --- Timothy McVeigh, basically....a homegrown militia terrorist with political views that are far righter than the craziest right-wing nutjob.

So Savin will probably become the guy who gets injected with Extremis tech, and in essence becomes a mix of "Super Mallen" and Coldblood, but without actually being given a name (which keeps with the IM tradition of never naming the enemy --- the terms Ironmonger and Whiplash were never used in the films).If anything, they'd just allude to it like they did Iron Monger and War Machine, mentioned how "coldblooded" he is or something. But that's probably the farthest they'd go.

[Hotwire]

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In IM3, Stark will have more suits, than in all three films (Iron Man I-II + The Avengers) combined!

That would mean 8 armors minimum! They're going to have to get into specialty armors at that point.

[BrollySupersj]

Is there a reason to have more armors? Can't it just be the Mark 7 and whatever the upgrade is? Seems really excessive and unnecessary.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Reason? It's Iron Man. That's all the reason you need...

[Parker Wayne]

They want to make him like James Bond only with armors. :o

[Webfoot Hero]

Is there a reason to have more armors? Can't it just be the Mark 7 and whatever the upgrade is? Seems really excessive and unnecessary.
I'm thinking the same. Maybe at most 3 new armors: 1 as a semi-upgrade to replace his damaged Avengers one, possibly a new suitcase/portable one, and a final Extremis version with in-body control suit for Stark.

[Tony Stark]

I'll say it again: I don't think they'll use Mallen at all. Mallen is too risky a character for Marvel Studios to gamble on --- Timothy McVeigh, basically....a homegrown militia terrorist with political views that are far righter than the craziest right-wing nutjob.

So Savin will probably become the guy who gets injected with Extremis tech, and in essence becomes a mix of "Super Mallen" and Coldblood, but without actually being given a name (which keeps with the IM tradition of never naming the enemy --- the terms Ironmonger and Whiplash were never used in the films).

I agree with this, however what I was getting at was Coldblood was a cyborg. I don't think Savin will be a cyborg, but as the Extremis process does, it heals his injuries by replacing his body organs with new enhanced ones.

Extremis is supposed to be the latest rendition to revive Erskine's super soldier formula, so having a soldier like Savin take it makes more sense than on a common criminal like Mallen.

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Bring on the armors! I want to see the stealth armor