The Avengers casting thread

[Silvermoth]

Having a changing roster is one of the hallmark of The Avengers. So, knowing what you know now, who would you like to see join and who should play them?

I know it's a bit crazy but I would love to see Ms Marvel played by Kate Winslet. Why not get the best I think? She would be great alongside RDJ's Iron Man.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg705/scaled.php?server=705&filename=220pxkatewinsletbyandre.jpg&res=landing

and seeing how there is potential for the Avengers 2 to head out into space a bit more, it makes sense.

I don't want to overwhelm the roster though so I would probably keep it to adding just one character personally.

Even though I'm dying to see Wanda Maximoff join the Avengers. Claire Foy (Little Dorrit, Upstairs Downstairs) might be cool for that.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg807/scaled.php?server=807&filename=tc01.jpg&res=landing

[CaptainStacy]

Hank & Jan:

Jason Bateman as Hank

http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy252/bradenpickering/Jason%20Bateman/jb2.jpg

Allison Scagliotti (Warehouse 13) as Jan:


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[drastic_quench]

Chiwetel Ejiofor -- Black Panther
Jon Hamm -- Doctor Strange

Luke Cage and Iron Fist should have a buddy movie first.

Idris Elba -- Luke Cage
I think Iron Fist has already been cast.

[Beikoku Taichou]

Too bad Colbie Smulders is already Maria Hill. She could be a good Jennifer Walters.

[Gold Samurai]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg163/scaled.php?server=163&filename=wasp.png&res=landing


Kate Micucci as Wasp

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3943/katemicucci1.jpg

[jonathancrane]

They are all nice selections! I would love to see Ms. Winslet in a Marvel film.

[CaptainStacy]

They are all nice selections! I would love to see Ms. Winslet in a Marvel film.

Definitely! Who would you like her to play?

[Hawkingbird]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg163/scaled.php?server=163&filename=wasp.png&res=landing


Kate Micucci as Wasp

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3943/katemicucci1.jpg

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No!
I don't like Wasp in EMH and I certainly don't want HER playing a founding Avenger.
NO!

[CaptainStacy]

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No!
I don't like Wasp in EMH and I certainly don't want HER playing a founding Avenger.
NO!

Her eyes ARE kinda buggy though...

[Poeman]

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Hank Pym

[Hawkingbird]

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[MessiahDecoy123]

Black Panther
Ms Marvel
Black Panther
Quicksilver

[Chewy]

Aldis Hodge as Black Panther
Alice Eve as Ms Marvel

[Silvermoth]

I want to change my choice for the Scarlet Witch and add a Quicksilver choice.

Wanda - Gemma Arterton
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg9/scaled.php?server=9&filename=898mthedisappearanceofa.jpg&res=landing

Pietro - Tom Riley
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg62/scaled.php?server=62&filename=tomriley2.jpg&res=landing

Speaking of Wanda, I'm really suprised more people didn't vote for her. Is it because they wish she was saved for a sequel? Or that they haven't read the era in which she was such an important Avenger? Oh well

[cherokeesam]

I want to change my choice for the Scarlet Witch and add a Quicksilver choice.

Wanda - Gemma Arterton
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg9/scaled.php?server=9&filename=898mthedisappearanceofa.jpg&res=landing

Pietro - Tom Riley
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg62/scaled.php?server=62&filename=tomriley2.jpg&res=landing

Speaking of Wanda, I'm really suprised more people didn't vote for her. Is it because they wish she was saved for a sequel? Or that they haven't read the era in which she was such an important Avenger? Oh well

Could be that some people still cling to the myth that "Fox has got Wanda & Pietro," a myth that Kevin Feige has firmly busted.

[smashmode]

Need more support for Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch!

[Carnage27]

Voted for none. Keep the roster the same and continue the character development.

[SuperSAINT]

Alice Eve as Ms Marvel

This

[MarvelKnight]

I'd rather have Scarlet Witch on the team than QS. I like him more as a villain.

As for Ms. Marvel, I've been for Yvonne Strahovski since day one. Morena Baccarin for Janet.

[Eddie Dean]

Joel McHale as Hank Pym
Alison Brie as Wasp

[marcvader]

Patrick Wilson for Hank Pym
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/PMisc3.jpg

[psylockolussus]

I want to see Eliza Dushku as Ms. Marvel!

[Gamingboy]

Have we considered, given the fact that Ultimate Universe seems to dictate a lot as far as appearance goes, that the Wasp might be Asian? Would give some more diversity to the team...

[Whiskey Tango]

Yvonne Strahovski - Carol Danvers aka Ms. Marvel

http://i47.tinypic.com/2d1v5vt.jpg

Patrick Wilson for Hank Pym
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/PMisc3.jpg

I like this. He's my #2 behind Nathan Fillion

[Wyrminarrd]

If they go with Wasp then I think Renée Felice Smith from NCIS: Los angeles would be a good fit

[Julio Alejandro]

Does this include villains?

[Silvermoth]

Sure! Knock yourself out :yay:

[natey2k4]

Who could Nathan Fillion come in to play? :D

Maybe Captain Marvel?

[psylockolussus]

I want Nathan Fillion to play Ant-Man :D

[Julio Alejandro]

Nathan Fillion has to be Hank Pym, and I nominate John Rhys-Davies as Thanos. He has the deep, calm delivery that would be perfect, and the build for the motion-capture.

[DrCosmic]

Chiwetel Ejiofor -- Black Panther
Jon Hamm -- Doctor Strange

I like it!


Aldis Hodge as Black Panther
Alice Eve as Ms Marvel

I like this even more! Whew!

Have we considered, given the fact that Ultimate Universe seems to dictate a lot as far as appearance goes, that the Wasp might be Asian? Would give some more diversity to the team...

I would love this!

They really can only add two Avengers here, and still have a movie that services everyone AND has a good story, even then, they'd probably have to kill off some characters. In order I think they should be added:

Black Panther - Aldis Hodge (it's hard to argue with this)
Ms. Marvel - Charlize Therone (just to throw a new name in)
Dr. Strange - Patrick Dempsey
Ant-Man (present day or not) - Nathan Fillion
Wasp - Maggie Q
Vision: Clark Gregg

Oh, and for villains:
Ultron: Keith David (Voice) "Mad Chad" (Actor/Guiness Record Book Best 'Robot' movements, Mo-Cap)
Thanos: Ron Perlman

[Donnie Darko]

Patrick Wilson as Hank Pym
Amy Acker as Wasp
Brandon Routh as Wonder Man
Alan Tudyk as Vision

[dbxkilla]

giant-man slash ant-man should be patrick wilson and wasp should be allison scagliotti with patrick dempsey as doctor strange

[MarvelKnight]

Joseph Fiennes for Vision
Lauren Cohan for Janet
The Rock for Luke Cage

As far as thanos, I don't see what's wrong with the guy who played him during the mid-credits scene. He might not be as tall as thanos' is (6'4 compared to 6'7) but put a couple inch lift in his boots and there's thanos, to me.
http://howsyourrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/thanos.png

[marcvader]

It would be nice to have an actor with a really great voice and delivery.

[MarvelKnight]

It would be nice to have an actor with a really great voice and delivery.

I agree, I've never heard the guy from the mid-credits scene talk, so I cannot comment on it. But, I'm sure it would be something that would worked on, no matter who gets the role.

[Julio Alejandro]

That's why I suggest John Rhys-Davies.

[Donnie Darko]

I didn't even know there was an actor. I figured it was just all cgi.

[Hawkingbird]

Joseph Fiennes for Vision

The Rock for Luke Cage



BUT HE'S NOT BLACK:cmad:

[Silvermoth]

It would be nice to have an actor with a really great voice and delivery.

Keith David(Princess and the Frog, Crash, Mass Effect 3)?

Have we considered, given the fact that Ultimate Universe seems to dictate a lot as far as appearance goes, that the Wasp might be Asian? Would give some more diversity to the team...

That could be interesting. Demographically it would be a major hit. Ellen Wong would be an interesting Wasp.

I remember when I was in Japan I only saw two types of adverts for 'Battleship'. The first had one of the only Asian characters in the movie portrayed prominently, even though he was probably only in the movie for a few minutes. The other showed the male protaganist from behind, so you couldn't see his facial features or nationality. I suppose that happens with all movies everywhere. (well, blockbusters at least)

[Whiskey Tango]

BUT HE'S NOT BLACK:cmad:

Sure he is.

[marcvader]

Rock looks too polynesian for me to be Cage.

[Whiskey Tango]

I still like him for Namor better anyway.

As long as they shoot higher than the Old Spice guy.

[marcvader]

I still like him for Namor better anyway.

As long as they shoot higher than the Old Spice guy.
Oh yeah, seconded.

[Julio Alejandro]

Keith David
John...Rhys...Davies!

[OB12]

I don't know that I would necessarily add all of these characters to The Avengers 2 but I'd like for each of them to play a role in the second phase of the MCU.

Dr. Strange - Adrien Brody
Hank Pym - Nathan Fillion
Wasp - Ginnifer Goodwin
Black Panther - Aldis Hodge
Luke Cage - Terry Crews

[MarvelKnight]

BUT HE'S NOT BLACK:cmad:

I'm sorry, I forgot he is half black, you are kidding right?

The last thing I plan on doing is getting into a tizzy over race. I think he would be great as Luke Cage and I'm going to leave it at that. Don't agree if you don't want, I have no problem with that.

[MarvelKnight]

Rock looks too polynesian for me to be Cage.

His mom was Samoan, his dad was black.

[marcvader]

His mom was Samoan, his dad was black.
I know that.

[MarvelKnight]

John...Rhys...Davies!

Are you suggesting him as actor and voice? or do you expect them to do a voice over a la Silver Surfer?

[Neo_3]

Ms. Marvel … Amber Heard
Black Panther … Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje
Ant-Man … Bradley Cooper
Wasp … Milla Jovovich
Vision … Simon Baker
Dr. Strange … Oded Fehr
Quasar … Cam Gigandet

[MarvelKnight]

I know that.

That's cool

[DrCosmic]

As far as thanos, I don't see what's wrong with the guy who played him during the mid-credits scene. He might not be as tall as thanos' is (6'4 compared to 6'7) but put a couple inch lift in his boots and there's thanos, to me.
http://howsyourrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/thanos.png

Sorry to critique so hard, and this isn't directed towards just you, but it boggles my mind why people want heights to match up exactly to comic book characters, especially ones that are taller than everyone else. You can't tell if someone is 6'7" by looking at them on the screen, or looking at them in a comic book. In fact, height is portrayed so inconsistently in comics it just boggles me why anyone would care about it when it comes to adaptations. The people who make the comics don't care about the height, we, as the audience, can't tell it by looking, how does it ever become a factor. He's taller than everyone else... how can adding four inches make the movie better? Or make him more faithful to the comics? Why is making the actor faithful to an arbitrary number in a superhero encyclopedia relevant? Would we be having this same complaint if he were 6'8" or 7'0" even? I just don't get it. [/rant]

Anyway, to respond to you personally, this is Damion Poitier (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1364280/), on of Whedon's go to big-guys from Firefly and Dollhouse. He played Sheriff Duprez on True Blood season 4 if anyone watches that. Maybe I'll look up his voice later. He doesn't really look like a soprano, though, y'know?

[MarvelKnight]

Sorry to critique so hard, and this isn't directed towards just you, but it boggles my mind why people want heights to match up exactly to comic book characters, especially ones that are taller than everyone else. You can't tell if someone is 6'7" by looking at them on the screen, or looking at them in a comic book. In fact, height is portrayed so inconsistently in comics it just boggles me why anyone would care about it when it comes to adaptations. The people who make the comics don't care about the height, we, as the audience, can't tell it by looking, how does it ever become a factor. He's taller than everyone else... how can adding four inches make the movie better? Or make him more faithful to the comics? Why is making the actor faithful to an arbitrary number in a superhero encyclopedia relevant? Would we be having this same complaint if he were 6'8" or 7'0" even? I just don't get it. [/rant]
Meh, No apology needed, I have come to appreciate your posts. Especially in regards to responses of ones I've made.

To be honest, I have never honestly cared that much about height, ususally its age more so for an older hero(reed richards especially lol) however, I think when you think of guys like Thanos, Executioner, people expect them to be look as physically imposing to go along with their (hopefully) powerful screen presence. Seems it's just an additional factor that can add to the character, I guess.

I have tried hard not to fall into the height craze, but it does seem to be a valid qualification to some so for people such as Executioner and Thanos it tends to creep in there. You are completely correct though, in the long run, a good actor makes the role, not just height.

Anyway, to respond to you personally, this is Damion Poitier (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1364280/), on of Whedon's go to big-guys from Firefly and Dollhouse. He played Sheriff Duprez on True Blood season 4 if anyone watches that. Maybe I'll look up his voice later. He doesn't really look like a soprano, though, y'know?

Oh he is a Whedon guy? That's cool. I watch true blood, I can't believe I didn't recognize him, but now that you mention it :doh:DOH

I suppose he doesn't, but, looks can be deceiving. Maybe I will do the same(look up his voice). I guess only time will tell what they plan on doing for The Mad Titan.

[Hawkingbird]

I'm sorry, I forgot he is half black, you are kidding right?

The last thing I plan on doing is getting into a tizzy over race. I think he would be great as Luke Cage and I'm going to leave it at that. Don't agree if you don't want, I have no problem with that.

Oh I know. I just think Luke Cage should be black, not half black?

[MarvelKnight]

Oh I know. I just think Luke Cage should be black, not half black?

Well, I think Marvel threw all that out the window when Elba got Heimdall.

Rock has a role in a movie about Hercules (he is Hercules) while I don't know particulars about that movie, I think how he does in that part (regardless of movie quality) will be a pretty nice barometer to see if he can tackle ANY marvel character, not even just LC.

[OB12]

Terry Crews for Luke Cage. He looks the part plus he is experienced in both TV and movies, which I think would be a big benefit because I'd like to see the MCU expanded to the small screen and a Heroes for Hire show would be perfect for this.

[smashmode]

Oh I know. I just think Luke Cage should be black, not half black?


Come on people, Nick Fury is White and they filmed him black, Its obvious that color and race is out the window.

[marcvader]

Anyway, to respond to you personally, this is Damion Poitier (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1364280/), on of Whedon's go to big-guys from Firefly and Dollhouse. He played Sheriff Duprez on True Blood season 4 if anyone watches that. Maybe I'll look up his voice later. He doesn't really look like a soprano, though, y'know?

Too many #1's and #2's next to the roles he's played so far for me to take him as a serious contender to play a role in the MCU as heavy as Thanos.

[Julio Alejandro]

Are you suggesting him as actor and voice? or do you expect them to do a voice over a la Silver Surfer?

Yes. I'm suggesting him as the voice of Thanos, and maybe even the motion-capture for the non-action scenes.

[smashmode]

Terry Crews for Luke Cage. He looks the part plus he is experienced in both TV and movies, which I think would be a big benefit because I'd like to see the MCU expanded to the small screen and a Heroes for Hire show would be perfect for this.


OH MY GOD YES.

Love Terry Crews, he was a riot in White girls

[cherokeesam]

I want Nathan Fillion to play Ant-Man :D

He *is* Ant-Man.
At this point, I'm willing to bet money on it.

There's something very incestuous between Marvel, Disney, ABC, Castle, Ant-Man, Joss Whedon and Fillion. Castle gets a Marvel comic? RDJ shows up on an episode of Castle and cross-promos Avengers? Joss Whedon *literally* says "Ladies and gentlemen, this is Ant-Man" when Nathan Fillion crashes his party at Comic-Con?

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Yes, at this point, someone will bring up another YT video where when questioned directly, Fillion says he doesn't have time to play Ant-Man, and doesn't want to play him. To which I'll point out that the interview is over two years old. And a LOT of things have changed since then.

[OB12]

I agree, I think it is almost inevitable that Fillion become Pym. I can't imagine that Wright would put up much of a fuss, and he may even be well suited for his Ant-Man movie. Actually to be honest, I think Whedon, Wright, and Fiege have probably already collectively decided on Fillion.

[MarvelKnight]

I agree, I think it is almost inevitable that Fillion become Pym. I can't imagine that Wright would put up much of a fuss, and he may even be well suited for his Ant-Man movie. Actually to be honest, I think Whedon, Wright, and Fiege have probably already collectively decided on Fillion.


So is Marvel pressuring Wright to make his movie contemporary for the sake of the MCU? It seems like he is hell bent and whiskey bound to make his 60s spy thriller, so wouldn't that in effect make his movie not in the MCU?(which would then beg the question why does Joss Whedon even care who is ant-man)

[OB12]

Why would Whedon even care if Fillion is Ant-Man. Wright's clearly making his 60s spy thriller, so wouldn't that, on the surface, make this not a part of this particular MCU that the rest of the movies are in? Has Whedon looked and/or done anything as far as the script? Just curious.

I think there have been several re-writes on the script since the report that it would set in the 60s. I can't imagine they would make an Ant-Man movie and not have it be part of the MCU.

[MarvelKnight]

True true, Maybe wright has grown less attached since it's only taken forever to get off the ground. he must be bending to the will of marvel or I'm sure they would have cut ties with him due to the creative differences a la patty jenkins with Thor 2..

[MessiahDecoy123]

Nathan Fillion doesn't really remind me of a super genius.

I hope they get someone more interesting for Ant Man.

[DrCosmic]

Whedon probably cared because, at the time, 60s spy Ant-Man was going to be in the MCU. That's why he got a mention as an old man's friend and SHIELD contact in Thor. Since then, however, the mention was cut out of Thor, and Ant Man was again revealed to be a standalone film.

So is Marvel pressuring Wright to make his movie contemporary for the sake of the MCU? It seems like he is hell bent and whiskey bound to make his 60s spy thriller, so wouldn't that in effect make his movie not in the MCU?(which would then beg the question why does Joss Whedon even care who is ant-man)

No they are not. Fans keep imagining they are, but if they were, they would say something, anything, to indicate they were.

Nathan Fillion doesn't really remind me of a super genius.

I hope they get someone more interesting for Ant Man.

That's true. But being a super genius isn't really what makes Ant-Man interesting, either, is it?

[marcvader]

Nathan Fillion doesn't really remind me of a super genius.

I hope they get someone more interesting for Ant Man.

Same here. I like Patrick Wilson in that spot.

Hate it when people say "So and so IS so and so".

[PatrioticCowboy]

penelope cruz for cat woman!!!

[TotalN00b]

giant-man slash ant-man should be patrick wilson and wasp should be allison scagliotti with patrick dempsey as doctor strange

All on the money. This is exactly what I'd go for PLUS the earlier suggestion for Aldis Hodge to play Black Panther.

[jaqua99]

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No!
I don't like Wasp in EMH and I certainly don't want HER playing a founding Avenger.
NO!

agreed. So much. My least favorite comic book character far and away. I really really really don't want to see her ever. It just, ugh, takes away.

And she always says something like "I'm an Avenger" or "because I'm an Avenger" stuff along that line...its like, really? You are? What can you do? You are annoying and you bring nothing to the team. She will ruin the epicness of the team if she is in it. The ONLY reason I would say to bring her and Pym in for that matter, is Ultron. Just because Jan is almost a given with Pym.

[jaqua99]

No Black Panther.No anyone else. Just add Ms Marvel, and introduce Mar-vell, and Pym as a shield person, for Ultron NO ONE ELSE.

[Whiskey Tango]

No they are not. Fans keep imagining they are, but if they were, they would say something, anything, to indicate they were.

You sound very certain despite not knowing a shred more than anyone else. What was that about imagination?

[cherokeesam]

Nathan Fillion doesn't really remind me of a super genius.


And RDJ and Ruffalo do....? /spockeyebrow

Same here. I like Patrick Wilson in that spot.

Hate it when people say "So and so IS so and so".

Like when Joss Whedon said "Nathan Fillion IS Ant-Man?"

[Whiskey Tango]

He *is* Ant-Man.
At this point, I'm willing to bet money on it.

There's something very incestuous between Marvel, Disney, ABC, Castle, Ant-Man, Joss Whedon and Fillion. Castle gets a Marvel comic? RDJ shows up on an episode of Castle and cross-promos Avengers? Joss Whedon *literally* says "Ladies and gentlemen, this is Ant-Man" when Nathan Fillion crashes his party at Comic-Con?

Fillion also visited the set of Avengers iirc.

At this point it's starting to feel pretty likely and it if turns out to not be the case I will be very surprised.

I also doubt Wright's wacky 60's caper is going to happen, unless it's like Cap and part of the film is set in the MCU's past, and even that feels iffy. I don't see Marvel indulging the guy with an unrelated film about a character who is an essential part of Avengers history.

But I have been wrong before, and if it turns out to be the case here you can be certain I'll deny it later.

[cherokeesam]

Fillion also visited the set of Avengers iirc.

At this point it's starting to feel pretty likely and it if turns out to not be the case I will be very surprised.

I also doubt Wright's wacky 60's caper is going to happen, unless it's like Cap and part of the film is set in the MCU's past, and even that feels iffy. I don't see Marvel indulging the guy with an unrelated film about a character who is an essential part of Avengers history.

But I have been wrong before, and if it turns out to be the case here you can be certain I'll deny it later.


i have no recollection of that event, and i did not have sex with that woman.





....Well, define "sex." :o

[marcvader]

And RDJ and Ruffalo do....? /spockeyebrow



Like when Joss Whedon said "Nathan Fillion IS Ant-Man?"

When?

[cherokeesam]

When?


In that (in)famous YT video I posted on the last page.

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1:00. Joss: "Ladies and gentlemen, I tell you now: this.....is Ant-Man. Because a) Nobody else could play that part and b) Doesn't appear in my film."

[Chewy]

Pym is an essential part of the Avengers' history in the comics but this is not the comics. There are decades' worth of material and there will be a small handful of films

They have to pick and choose the characters that work best, the storylines that work best, the villains that work best

I keep seeing people suggest that Hawkeye and Black Widow be dropped for Pym and Wasp. I don't understand it. They've introduced the team, they've shown them bond, now Whedon will get to play with that dynamic. Dropping half of the team will mess with the camaraderie this film established, which was perhaps the biggest key to it working

Yes, the roster rotates in the comics. Once the arcs have finished, and a new era starts up

This arc has just begun

[dbxkilla]

well maybe if it works they could add ant man and wasp and not having to replace any members but it all depends on who directs the sequel

[Chewy]

It'll be directed by Whedon. C'mon.

And yes I expect them to add a new hero or two. Personally I think Ms Marvel and Black Panther would be nice choices, as they would add fun new dynamics to the team and movie

But if Whedon's favorite Avengers arc is anything to go by I would not be shocked if the new character is Mar-Vell or Warlock

[ElMariachi]

Pym is an essential part of the Avengers' history in the comics but this is not the comics. There are decades' worth of material and there will be a small handful of films

They have to pick and choose the characters that work best, the storylines that work best, the villains that work best

I keep seeing people suggest that Hawkeye and Black Widow be dropped for Pym and Wasp. I don't understand it. They've introduced the team, they've shown them bond, now Whedon will get to play with that dynamic. Dropping half of the team will mess with the camaraderie this film established, which was perhaps the biggest key to it working

Yes, the roster rotates in the comics. Once the arcs have finished, and a new era starts up

This arc has just begun

This.

Taking out BW and Hawkeye is insane. They were great in TA and it would be terrible to rid them in favor of a tiny woman and a guy who controls ants. Ant Man is cool but i prefer he stays solo for the time being. You could maybe work him in but no Wasp. Wasp would be the most silly and pointless character in these movies.

[DrCosmic]

Pym is an essential part of the Avengers' history in the comics but this is not the comics. There are decades' worth of material and there will be a small handful of films

They have to pick and choose the characters that work best, the storylines that work best, the villains that work best

I keep seeing people suggest that Hawkeye and Black Widow be dropped for Pym and Wasp. I don't understand it. They've introduced the team, they've shown them bond, now Whedon will get to play with that dynamic. Dropping half of the team will mess with the camaraderie this film established, which was perhaps the biggest key to it working

Yes, the roster rotates in the comics. Once the arcs have finished, and a new era starts up

This arc has just begun

^Boom. I don't know why I don't just follow Chewy around and say "^This." to everything... probably cuz his internet's faster, I'd never catch up.

What'd be really crazy? Fillion as Scott Lang. It fits with both Whedon's comments and Wright's and lets face it, Fillion fits better as cheeky Lang than as neurotic scientist Pym, doesn't he?

[cherokeesam]

This.

Taking out BW and Hawkeye is insane. They were great in TA and it would be terrible to rid them in favor of a tiny woman and a guy who controls ants. Ant Man is cool but i prefer he stays solo for the time being. You could maybe work him in but no Wasp. Wasp would be the most silly and pointless character in these movies.


I agree that Avengers doesn't need to turn into a revolving door (yet)....TA2 should keep the original cast, *plus* add 2-3 new members, and it'd work just fine.

But the notion of making an Ant-Man movie and *not* putting him into the Avengers makes absolutely no sense at all. Nor does adding Ant-Man and *not* bringing Wasp along.....it's a package deal, you can't have one without the other.

And I don't think *anybody* needs to be talking about what's "silly" or what "won't work" on the big screen, when Marvel Studios has proven the naysayers wrong at every turn. If Marvel wants to do Ant-Man, wants to do GotG, or Dr. Strange, or anything else, they'll FIND a way to make it work.

[DrCosmic]

I agree that Avengers doesn't need to turn into a revolving door (yet)....TA2 should keep the original cast, *plus* add 2-3 new members, and it'd work just fine.

But the notion of making an Ant-Man movie and *not* putting him into the Avengers makes absolutely no sense at all. Nor does adding Ant-Man and *not* bringing Wasp along.....it's a package deal, you can't have one without the other.

And I don't think *anybody* needs to be talking about what's "silly" or what "won't work" on the big screen, when Marvel Studios has proven the naysayers wrong at every turn. If Marvel wants to do Ant-Man, wants to do GotG, or Dr. Strange, or anything else, they'll FIND a way to make it work.

So you can say what 'will work' but no one can say what 'won't work.' Yeah... not for real. TA was jam packed, you can't just add 3 people in there and everything be "just fine." Where would their screentime come from?

Some of this Ant-Man "logic" is actually a bit silly. Wasp and Ant-Man aren't attached at the hip. They aren't any more a package deal than IM and War Machine. And making an Ant-Man movie and not putting him into Avengers makes perfect sense in this context, where Ant-Man isn't available and isn't needed. But something compels Ant-Man fans to state he is an absolute necessity, and that his concept is inherently captivating to all, despite clear evidence to the contrary. It's a strange sort of entitlement that seems proclaims itself as logic. Certainly you aren't the only one doing this, but since you brought it up as something no one has place to question, I just wanted to point out how very questionable it is.

And Marvel does want to do Ant-Man... as a standalone thing. As you said, they'll find a way to make it work, despite the naysayers, as well meaning as they may be.

[OB12]

So you can say what 'will work' but no one can say what 'won't work.' Yeah... not for real. TA was jam packed, you can't just add 3 people in there and everything be "just fine." Where would their screentime come from?

Some of this Ant-Man "logic" is actually a bit silly. Wasp and Ant-Man aren't attached at the hip. They aren't any more a package deal than IM and War Machine. And making an Ant-Man movie and not putting him into Avengers makes perfect sense in this context, where Ant-Man isn't available and isn't needed. But something compels Ant-Man fans to state he is an absolute necessity, and that his concept is inherently captivating to all, despite clear evidence to the contrary. It's a strange sort of entitlement that seems proclaims itself as logic. Certainly you aren't the only one doing this, but since you brought it up as something no one has place to question, I just wanted to point out how very questionable it is.

And Marvel does want to do Ant-Man... as a standalone thing. As you said, they'll find a way to make it work, despite the naysayers, as well meaning as they may be.



I don't think you can disassociate Ant-Man from the Avengers that easily. If Marvel is making an Ant-Man movie, and all signs point to the fact that they are, then it will certainly be a part of the MCU. Ant-Man and Wasp are very much a package deal as she will be in his solo movie and then brought along for TA2.

[Whiskey Tango]

"I" don't think "people" are "using" the "dick quotes" enough. Surely "experienced" internet "users" can "find" more "opportunities" to "express" "their expertise" in "these matters"

[DrCosmic]

I don't think you can disassociate Ant-Man from the Avengers that easily. If Marvel is making an Ant-Man movie, and all signs point to the fact that they are, then it will certainly be a part of the MCU. Ant-Man and Wasp are very much a package deal as she will be in his solo movie and then brought along for TA2.

What is the basis for these statements? He already is disassociated from the Avengers. It was very easy, they just didn't put him in it. All the signs that point to them making an Ant-Man movie also point to it not being in the MCU, or at most, not in the current day MCU. Just because someone's in the solo movie (War Machine) doesn't mean they'll be brought along to Avengers. See how my statements are based on the films and what the filmmakers have said? What are you basing your statements on? You're certain, but no one seems to know why.

[DrCosmic]

"I" don't think "people" are "using" the "dick quotes" enough. Surely "experienced" internet "users" can "find" more "opportunities" to "express" "their expertise" in "these matters"

Yes, "we" "are." :oldrazz:

[OB12]

What is the basis for these statements? He already is disassociated from the Avengers. It was very easy, they just didn't put him in it. All the signs that point to them making an Ant-Man movie also point to it not being in the MCU, or at most, not in the current day MCU. Just because someone's in the solo movie (War Machine) doesn't mean they'll be brought along to Avengers. See how my statements are based on the films and what the filmmakers have said? What are you basing your statements on? You're certain, but no one seems to know why.


How is Ant-Man currently disassociated from The Avengers? Because of a report about the script from a couple of years ago? Marvel is emboldened right now with the success of The Avengers they will be expanding the MCU. I can see them doing one-offs or standalones but Ant-Man probably won't be one of them since he is so closely identified as an Avenger.

[Julio Alejandro]

How are Ant-Man & Wasp not a package deal? It's a lot different than Iron Man & War Machine because Ant-Man & Wasp are actually a couple.

[NoirMan82]

How is Ant-Man currently disassociated from The Avengers? Because of a report about the script from a couple of years ago? Marvel is emboldened right now with the success of The Avengers they will be expanding the MCU. I can see them doing one-offs or standalones but Ant-Man probably won't be one of them since he is so closely identified as an Avenger.

I think it was a mistake to give Ant-Man his own film instead of shoehorning him into The Avengers. Pym works best in the group dynamic and doesn't seem worthwhile enough to have a solo feature. Would it have been so hard to make him a SHIELD scientist who was helping them with the Cosmic Cube?

[Julio Alejandro]

I think it was a mistake to give Ant-Man his own film instead of shoehorning him into The Avengers. Pym works best in the group dynamic and doesn't seem worthwhile enough to have a solo feature. Would it have been so hard to make him a SHIELD scientist who was helping them with the Cosmic Cube?

I beg to differ. Pick up Avengers Origins: Ant-Man & The Wasp, and you may think differently.

[DrCosmic]

How is Ant-Man currently disassociated from The Avengers? Because of a report about the script from a couple of years ago? Marvel is emboldened right now with the success of The Avengers they will be expanding the MCU. I can see them doing one-offs or standalones but Ant-Man probably won't be one of them since he is so closely identified as an Avenger.

The Avengers exist in the MCU. Ant-Man is not in them. They are currently disassociated in the MCU, and in the minds of the public. Also, the reports on Ant-Man have kept rolling in, the most recent is from december, and they all tell the same story: standalone script. It's really not dependent on whether or not you can see it, or how we identify Ant-Man as an Avenger.

Pym works best in the group dynamic and doesn't seem worthwhile enough to have a solo feature.

Ouch. I wouldn't go that far. He's a good character, with a lot of potential as a thinking man's superhero.

[OB12]

Hank Pym was going to get a reference in Thor, in fact the reference is still there but he just isn't called out by name. Clearly, the intent from Fiege is that Pym would exist in the MCU.

[marcvader]

"A thinking man's superhero.", I like the sound of that Cosmic.

[jaymes_e06]

Patrick Wilson as Hank Pym
Amy Acker as Wasp
Brandon Routh as Wonder Man
Alan Tudyk as Vision
This 1000x

And Nathan as Hank? I can't see it honestly but Patrick I can totally see.

[Chewy]

Brandon Routh? lol

[cherokeesam]

So you can say what 'will work' but no one can say what 'won't work.' Yeah... not for real. TA was jam packed, you can't just add 3 people in there and everything be "just fine." Where would their screentime come from?

Some of this Ant-Man "logic" is actually a bit silly. Wasp and Ant-Man aren't attached at the hip. They aren't any more a package deal than IM and War Machine. And making an Ant-Man movie and not putting him into Avengers makes perfect sense in this context, where Ant-Man isn't available and isn't needed. But something compels Ant-Man fans to state he is an absolute necessity, and that his concept is inherently captivating to all, despite clear evidence to the contrary. It's a strange sort of entitlement that seems proclaims itself as logic. Certainly you aren't the only one doing this, but since you brought it up as something no one has place to question, I just wanted to point out how very questionable it is.

And Marvel does want to do Ant-Man... as a standalone thing. As you said, they'll find a way to make it work, despite the naysayers, as well meaning as they may be.


There's no "entitlement" (yay, more "dick quotes") involved here from fanboys.....and the whole notion of Ant-Man "fanboys" (yay, more) still makes me laugh my ass off. There ARE no Ant-Man fanboys. Never have been, at least until they started talking about a solo movie. Hank is a *member* of a *team.* First and foremost. Yeah, you can nitpick and say "technically, 'Astonishing Tales' yadda yadda and a few limited edition miniseries like 'Irredeemable' yadda yadda, but those represent only the tiniest fraction of Hank Pym's career, which otherwise is spent 99% on a team called Avengers....whether as Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Yellowjacket or whoever the hell else.

People keep talking about Ant-Man as an Avenger because he is a goddamn Avenger. Founder. Core Avenger. Mainstay. In 616, Ultimates, any damn version you want. So when Marvel Studios says "Avengers film" and "Ant-Man film," anyone who's read AT LEAST ONE ISSUE of Avengers knows damn well that they go together like peaches 'n' cream.

If Edgar Wright doesn't know this, or doesn't understand this, or wants to live in denial of this, then he's barking up the wrong tree. Feige knows damn well who Pym is, and that he belongs in The Avengers. That's why he's been pressuring Wright in interviews the past few weeks.

And all of that may blow up soon, if Feige isn't happy with how fast Wright is moving on the project, or if he thinks the project isn't going to dovetail into the MCU the way he wants it to. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear one of three things in the next couple of months:

a) Edgar Wright has left Ant-Man, because the studio is interfering with *his* vision of the character;
b) Edgar Wright has been fired by Marvel Studios, because his vision of the character is interfering with theirs;
or c) Marvel Studios has lit a fire under Edgar's ass, and Ant-Man will begin filming this fall.

[Whiskey Tango]

a) Edgar Wright has left Ant-Man, because the studio is interfering with *his* vision of the character;

I think he's still onboard or else he wouldn't have tweeted that antman symbol thing the other day

b) Edgar Wright has been fired by Marvel Studios, because his vision of the character is interfering with theirs;

It is my belief that his 60's caper idea ended up clashing with the snowballing MCU and required rewrites to bring it inline.

or c) Marvel Studios has lit a fire under Edgar's ass, and Ant-Man will begin filming this fall.

Can't remember which year still has a vacancy but I bet that's it.

[Whiskey Tango]

It is my belief that his 60's caper idea ended up clashing with the snowballing MCU and required rewrites to bring it inline.

Unless they throw a curve and make Pym the 60's scientist for the solo movie, who hands off the tech to Scott Lang for modern day/Avengers action.

You'd still have access to both characters, could still use Ultron.

Personally I'd bring Hank and Jan in as modern day SHIELD scientists but w/e

**** I wish MS would give me a job. I'd be happy mopping floors if they'd let me attend creative meetings.

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

There's no "entitlement" (yay, more "dick quotes") involved here from fanboys.....and the whole notion of Ant-Man "fanboys" (yay, more) still makes me laugh my ass off. There ARE no Ant-Man fanboys. Never have been, at least until they started talking about a solo movie. Hank is a *member* of a *team.* First and foremost. Yeah, you can nitpick and say "technically, 'Astonishing Tales' yadda yadda and a few limited edition miniseries like 'Irredeemable' yadda yadda, but those represent only the tiniest fraction of Hank Pym's career, which otherwise is spent 99% on a team called Avengers....whether as Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Yellowjacket or whoever the hell else.

People keep talking about Ant-Man as an Avenger because he is a goddamn Avenger. Founder. Core Avenger. Mainstay. In 616, Ultimates, any damn version you want. So when Marvel Studios says "Avengers film" and "Ant-Man film," anyone who's read AT LEAST ONE ISSUE of Avengers knows damn well that they go together like peaches 'n' cream.

If Edgar Wright doesn't know this, or doesn't understand this, or wants to live in denial of this, then he's barking up the wrong tree. Feige knows damn well who Pym is, and that he belongs in The Avengers. That's why he's been pressuring Wright in interviews the past few weeks.

And all of that may blow up soon, if Feige isn't happy with how fast Wright is moving on the project, or if he thinks the project isn't going to dovetail into the MCU the way he wants it to. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear one of three things in the next couple of months:

a) Edgar Wright has left Ant-Man, because the studio is interfering with *his* vision of the character;
b) Edgar Wright has been fired by Marvel Studios, because his vision of the character is interfering with theirs;
or c) Marvel Studios has lit a fire under Edgar's ass, and Ant-Man will begin filming this fall.

I think i want to kiss you after that rant! Agreed 100%

[DrCosmic]

There's no "entitlement" (yay, more "dick quotes") involved here from fanboys.....and the whole notion of Ant-Man "fanboys" (yay, more) still makes me laugh my ass off. There ARE no Ant-Man fanboys. Never have been, at least until they started talking about a solo movie. Hank is a *member* of a *team.* First and foremost. Yeah, you can nitpick and say "technically, 'Astonishing Tales' yadda yadda and a few limited edition miniseries like 'Irredeemable' yadda yadda, but those represent only the tiniest fraction of Hank Pym's career, which otherwise is spent 99% on a team called Avengers....whether as Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Yellowjacket or whoever the hell else.

People keep talking about Ant-Man as an Avenger because he is a goddamn Avenger. Founder. Core Avenger. Mainstay. In 616, Ultimates, any damn version you want. So when Marvel Studios says "Avengers film" and "Ant-Man film," anyone who's read AT LEAST ONE ISSUE of Avengers knows damn well that they go together like peaches 'n' cream.

If Edgar Wright doesn't know this, or doesn't understand this, or wants to live in denial of this, then he's barking up the wrong tree. Feige knows damn well who Pym is, and that he belongs in The Avengers. That's why he's been pressuring Wright in interviews the past few weeks.

And all of that may blow up soon, if Feige isn't happy with how fast Wright is moving on the project, or if he thinks the project isn't going to dovetail into the MCU the way he wants it to. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear one of three things in the next couple of months:

a) Edgar Wright has left Ant-Man, because the studio is interfering with *his* vision of the character;
b) Edgar Wright has been fired by Marvel Studios, because his vision of the character is interfering with theirs;
or c) Marvel Studios has lit a fire under Edgar's ass, and Ant-Man will begin filming this fall.

You establish precedent, and use that as the only reason something should happen. That, my friend is entitlement, no quotation marks. (Also note, I stopped doing that once it was pointed out to me.) Anyone who doesn't see it your way (Wright) is ignorant or in denial, they can't possibly see it differently, the can't possibly have preferred the hundreds of Avengers stories where Ant-Man doesn't appear. They can't possibly have read those stories and thought they'd have been better without Ant-Man, or without the rest of the Avengers. That's entitlement.

And this idea that Feige is against it is just wishful thinking, perhaps projection. "He has to see things the way I see them." Entitlement? If you have links to any of these pressuring interviews, I'd love to see them, but you may need to accept that Feige and Marvel Studios are behind this non-MCU standalone Ant-Man. Or not. Perhaps you'll just be surprised that the Avengers will continue to go on without him, and Ant-Man will become able to support his own solo storyline for the first time in a long time.

[cherokeesam]

You establish precedent, and use that as the only reason something should happen. That, my friend is entitlement, no quotation marks. (Also note, I stopped doing that once it was pointed out to me.) Anyone who doesn't see it your way (Wright) is ignorant or in denial, they can't possibly see it differently, the can't possibly have preferred the hundreds of Avengers stories where Ant-Man doesn't appear. They can't possibly have read those stories and thought they'd have been better without Ant-Man, or without the rest of the Avengers. That's entitlement.

And this idea that Feige is against it is just wishful thinking, perhaps projection. "He has to see things the way I see them." Entitlement? If you have links to any of these pressuring interviews, I'd love to see them, but you may need to accept that Feige and Marvel Studios are behind this non-MCU standalone Ant-Man. Or not. Perhaps you'll just be surprised that the Avengers will continue to go on without him, and Ant-Man will become able to support his own solo storyline for the first time in a long time.

Sure, it's possible. But highly unlikely. On several counts.

1) Because of the pressure to "authenticate" the Avengers by steering closer to comic-book canon.

2) Because Wright's version of the story has languished so long in development hell that it's become hopelessly outdated. When Wright first took on the project in 06, the Avengers Initiative in the MCU --- and, in fact, the MCU itself --- did not exist, not even on paper. Comic book films back then were still in the standalone business, and even the Avengers film originally was to be a standalone with no crossover plans....just a superteam movie to compete with the planned JLA movie from Warners (which, of course, never materialized). Since then, of course, the Avengers *have* crossed over, and the notion of standalone films has become outdated and unpopular in the MCU shared universe.

3) Because Ant-Man is highly unlikely to be a successful standalone franchise. To general audiences, it would be a curiosity at best, a thing of ridicule or parody at worst....they wouldn't even understand why the film was even made. Fanboys, of course, *would* understand why it was being made....and would be righteously indignant hurr-durr that Ant-Man isn't "properly" in the Avengers. As we've already seen. ;)


It's a new era. Standalones don't make sense in the shared universe of the MCU anymore. And they make even *less* sense when you take a character who is noted for being part of a team and try to make him into a solo character --- who is no longer part of that team he's always been associated with. It's like Cyclops minus the X-Men. Beast Boy minus the Teen Titans. BA Baracus minus the A-Team. "Bones" McCoy minus the crew of the Enterprise.

[Whiskey Tango]

5 movies in the works- IM 3, Cap 2 and Thor 2.

2 unnamed.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/marvels-kevin-feige-on-avengers-and-next-5-films-video/

Thank Chewy for the link

[Majik1387]

I'd say Antman and Dr. Strange are the two unnamed ones.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'd say Antman and Dr. Strange are the two unnamed ones.
I'd be fine with that but I hope they do a Black Panther movie before Avengers 3.

[Majik1387]

I'm sure they would. No offense to Avengers 3, but I'm sure the Avengers movies are more/gonna be more expensive than the solo movies.

[DrCosmic]

Sure, it's possible. But highly unlikely. On several counts.

1) Because of the pressure to "authenticate" the Avengers by steering closer to comic-book canon.

What is this pressure? Where does it come from? Who expresses it? Where is it felt?

2) Because Wright's version of the story has languished so long in development hell that it's become hopelessly outdated. When Wright first took on the project in 06, the Avengers Initiative in the MCU --- and, in fact, the MCU itself --- did not exist, not even on paper. Comic book films back then were still in the standalone business, and even the Avengers film originally was to be a standalone with no crossover plans....just a superteam movie to compete with the planned JLA movie from Warners (which, of course, never materialized). Since then, of course, the Avengers *have* crossed over, and the notion of standalone films has become outdated and unpopular in the MCU shared universe. Whoa. Comicbook films are still very much in the standalone business. It's no more outdated than Batman, Spider-Man or Superman's movies - they haven't come out yet, so how can they be outdated.

Notice how you say a movie notion is unpopular in a fictional universe. That's a pretty good example about how you're not really thinking about reality, but you believe that something fictional has an effect on the popularity of something real.

3) Because Ant-Man is highly unlikely to be a successful standalone franchise. To general audiences, it would be a curiosity at best, a thing of ridicule or parody at worst....they wouldn't even understand why the film was even made. Fanboys, of course, *would* understand why it was being made....and would be righteously indignant hurr-durr that Ant-Man isn't "properly" in the Avengers. As we've already seen. ;)So... the audience would laugh at him in a solo movie, but think he's cool in a team up movie, surrounded by non-laughable superheroes? :huh:

I think this opinion shows that you don't understand Edgar Wright, and illustrates why you are so confused that MS is behind him on this. He makes great movies. Period. It's what he does. He doesn't make okay movies. He doesn't even make good movies. He does make movies that people don't generally go see, but the ones that do... dude. People will come see it, and love it, just on his involvement. Very, very few other directors can make that happen.

And what's the alternative? Bring him into Avengers to take up screen time so the general audience can laugh and point and wonder why this waste of space is there?

It's a new era. Standalones don't make sense in the shared universe of the MCU anymore. And they make even *less* sense when you take a character who is noted for being part of a team and try to make him into a solo character --- who is no longer part of that team he's always been associated with. It's like Cyclops minus the X-Men. Beast Boy minus the Teen Titans. BA Baracus minus the A-Team. "Bones" McCoy minus the crew of the Enterprise.Standalones will continue to make money and entertain. Why you think they don't make sense is beyond me. They make as much sense as any movie ever made. And your examples, of characters who did not start out solo, and have never been solo is just silly. I'm sorry that you don't see the potential in Ant-Man that Edgar Wright does. He's a great and interesting character, who deserves a full movie to explore all the immense complexities of his psyche and his powers. Not to have some anemic version of him shoved into a team up movie that barely has time to have a story with the characters it already has in it.

[Silvermoth]

I reckon Elijah Kelley (Red Tails, Hairspray) would make an awesome Black Panther. He's young and a great actor but has alot of presense and can easily carry a movie.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg594/scaled.php?server=594&filename=elijahkelley.jpg&res=landing

[MessiahDecoy123]

He's too short IMO.

[cherokeesam]

What is this pressure? Where does it come from? Who expresses it? Where is it felt?

From the fans, and from Marvel themselves.
Feige is in the business of making Marvel work in a new media. There may come a day in the not too distant future in which Marvel characters are known primarily through film and television and video games rather than through comic books; because face it, even with all the beaucoup box office a lot of these CBMs get, it's not helping to generate new sales for the comics at all.

The latest draft that Cornish turned in of Ant-Man back in December was the *fourth,* by his own reckoning. That means that the *studio* -- i.e., Feige --- keeps sending Cornish back to the drawing board to get the character and the story right. Feige has no intention of letting writers or directors make "In Name Only" characters in the MCU, which has been a problem with properties licensed to other studios.


Whoa. Comicbook films are still very much in the standalone business. It's no more outdated than Batman, Spider-Man or Superman's movies - they haven't come out yet, so how can they be outdated.

Notice how you say a movie notion is unpopular in a fictional universe. That's a pretty good example about how you're not really thinking about reality, but you believe that something fictional has an effect on the popularity of something real.


The shared universe has been something that fans have been asking for for decades. Ever since Burton, ever since Donner. Fans and studios and directors have clashed over it since the 70s. Nolan's concept is the outdated one --- that these heroes need to exist separately from each other, that audiences simply wouldn't buy into a "true" superhero universe with *lots* of men in tights flying around shooting at each other with laser beams out of their asses. "X-Men" and "Heroes" and "Fantastic Four" and "Smallville" have already gone to great lengths to disprove that notion, and "Avengers" is the final nail in that particular coffin.

The question asked before 2012 was "how come these superheroes can't exist in the same universe?" Going forward, the question will be, "How come you left this particular superhero out of the shared universe? Is he not good enough or something?"

So... the audience would laugh at him in a solo movie, but think he's cool in a team up movie, surrounded by non-laughable superheroes? :huh:

No, they'd think he's "cool" in a team-up movie when he's shown as part of the team he's always been associated with. Ant-Man is an Avenger: what part of that do you *still* not understand....? Ant-Man is not a solo performer. Period.

I think this opinion shows that you don't understand Edgar Wright, and illustrates why you are so confused that MS is behind him on this. He makes great movies. Period. It's what he does. He doesn't make okay movies. He doesn't even make good movies. He does make movies that people don't generally go see, but the ones that do... dude. People will come see it, and love it, just on his involvement. Very, very few other directors can make that happen.

If he makes movies that people don't generally go see, do you think that's a great selling point for Kevin Feige right now....? Marvel Studios is in the business of making money for their properties. We can debate the evils of capitalism and greed versus artistic vision for generations to come, but Marvel Studios has made it plain that they're not interested in an auteur placing his (or her) visionary stamp on their properties --- they're *only* interested in generating a large and loyal fanbase for their superhero movies.

And what's the alternative? Bring him into Avengers to take up screen time so the general audience can laugh and point and wonder why this waste of space is there?

Standalones will continue to make money and entertain. Why you think they don't make sense is beyond me. They make as much sense as any movie ever made. And your examples, of characters who did not start out solo, and have never been solo is just silly. I'm sorry that you don't see the potential in Ant-Man that Edgar Wright does. He's a great and interesting character, who deserves a full movie to explore all the immense complexities of his psyche and his powers. Not to have some anemic version of him shoved into a team up movie that barely has time to have a story with the characters it already has in it.

Again: he's an Avenger. Avenger.
Taking a character who is known virtually entirely as the member of a particular team and trying to spinoff a solo title when he hasn't even been shown on that team in the first place....*that's* what doesn't make sense.

[DrCosmic]

Again: he's an Avenger. Avenger.
Taking a character who is known virtually entirely as the member of a particular team and trying to spinoff a solo title when he hasn't even been shown on that team in the first place....*that's* what doesn't make sense.

I cut out most of my reply cuz it's off topic. We're having this same debate on different levels in different threads.

Long story short. It makes money. It entertains. Just because it's not classic Avengers doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, bro. The audience doesn't associate Ant-Man with Avengers, so they will still think he's just was silly in a team setting, and that the whole movie is better off without him. You'd be doing a horrible disservice to the character. You're thinking comics continuity is supreme, and it's just not. You're dedicated to it, you see it, and talk about it as reality, like anyone who disagrees must be ignorant, not disagreeing about it's importance and relevance, but I just don't "get it" because I don't agree with you. There must be something wrong with my comprehension. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I reckon Elijah Kelley (Red Tails, Hairspray) would make an awesome Black Panther. He's young and a great actor but has alot of presense and can easily carry a movie.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg594/scaled.php?server=594&filename=elijahkelley.jpg&res=landing

I like him. He is a little short, but I don't think that has to be a huge problem, depending on how the rest of the casting goes.

[Majik1387]

I love Elijah Kelly, but he's too young for BP.

[DrCosmic]

^I always go back and forth on that. Black Panther's origin doesn't make a lot of sense for a real grown man ala Idris Elba or Chewitel Ejiofor, but then if you go young ala Aldis Hodge or Elijah Kelley or whoever, you lose some gravitas.

I mean, you can have that be his weakness/balance, even though he is this uber fighter, with uber tech, uber science skills, uber leadership, he's still young and impetuous or whatever. I dunno... what do you think?

[Majik1387]

I'm fine with a younger actor if he looks more mature than his actual age, but Elijah Kelly still fits in the high school/college kid age visually. Hodge looks a bit more mature so I think he'd be decent; but Djimon Hounsou is my Black Panther, he's only a year older than RDJ and no offense to BP, but I don't see much more than one solo movie, I see him more of an Avengers member.

[DrCosmic]

Ouch. I hope you're wrong. I want at least two BP movies.

[cherokeesam]

I cut out most of my reply cuz it's off topic. We're having this same debate on different levels in different threads.

Long story short. It makes money. It entertains. Just because it's not classic Avengers doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, bro. The audience doesn't associate Ant-Man with Avengers, so they will still think he's just was silly in a team setting, and that the whole movie is better off without him. You'd be doing a horrible disservice to the character. You're thinking comics continuity is supreme, and it's just not. You're dedicated to it, you see it, and talk about it as reality, like anyone who disagrees must be ignorant, not disagreeing about it's importance and relevance, but I just don't "get it" because I don't agree with you. There must be something wrong with my comprehension. We'll just have to agree to disagree.



I don't worship comics continuity, and I don't think anyone who disagrees with continuity is ignorant, nor am I opposed to the film universe trying something different than the comic universe. But I think there's different levels of "nerdrage" --- I sure as hell don't get bent out of shape over minor things ("omg they used the wrong shade of mauve on MegaPerson's leotard! :cmad::cmad::cmad: "), but I'm afraid I have to take issue with turning a team character into a solo character, and potentially even *separating* him from the team he has always belonged to. That seems like a major change to the character's identity, don't you think?

I think the problem comes in the way people perceive what the Avengers mean as a franchise. The Avengers *movie* franchise seems to treat the team as a sort of All-Star team, or Olympic Dream Team --- a crossover of different heroes coming together for something special every few years or so, then quietly going back to their own lives in the times in-between. The comic-book Avengers is not like that at all....it's simply another Marvel title. Monthly subscription, same as Spider-Man or Hulk or Wolverine or X-Men. And as such, there are a whole bunch of Avengers who are associated *primarily* with that title ("exclusively" might be a better descriptor). Those characters would include Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, Scott Lang, Wonder Man, Vision, Jocasta, Hawkeye, Tigra, Mockingbird, Doctor Druid, Echo, and Firebird.

[cherokeesam]

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[Chewy]

I think the problem comes in the way people perceive what the Avengers mean as a franchise. The Avengers *movie* franchise seems to treat the team as a sort of All-Star team, or Olympic Dream Team --- a crossover of different heroes coming together for something special every few years or so, then quietly going back to their own lives in the times in-between. The comic-book Avengers is not like that at all....it's simply another Marvel title. Monthly subscription, same as Spider-Man or Hulk or Wolverine or X-Men. And as such, there are a whole bunch of Avengers who are associated *primarily* with that title ("exclusively" might be a better descriptor). Those characters would include Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, Scott Lang, Wonder Man, Vision, Jocasta, Hawkeye, Tigra, Mockingbird, Doctor Druid, Echo, and Firebird.
That's what it is. It *is* an All-Star team. When something runs for decades and decades it will naturally morph into something else. But the core concept of the Avengers is that it's an All-Star team, and when you've only got like three movies you can stick to that concept without it getting stale. The same is not the case when you have a monthly series that runs for years.

[cherokeesam]

That's what it is. It *is* an All-Star team. When something runs for decades and decades it will naturally morph into something else. But the core concept of the Avengers is that it's an All-Star team, and when you've only got like three movies you can stick to that concept without it getting stale. The same is not the case when you have a monthly series that runs for years.

No, Avengers *isn't* an All-Star team. It certainly wasn't in the comics, and it's hard to call it that even in the MCU, where only Tony and Cap could be considered "all-stars" known by the general public prior to the Avengers Assemblin'.

DC did the JLA up like an all-star team. But Marvel didn't quite follow in those footsteps, choosing instead to make a *bunch* of superteams --- Avengers, X-Men, Defenders, Great Lakes Avengers, Thunderbolts, Runaways, Fantastic Four, Midnight Sons, Invaders, Heroes for Hire, Eternals, Inhumans, Nova Corps, Guardians of the Galaxy, New Warriors, and a seemingly infinite number of X-Men spinoffs. Sooner or later, every hero (and villain) got a chance to get a membership card in one or more of those groups. Yeah, Avengers proper was probably the most prestigious club you could belong to, but they had *plenty* of no-names on the roster, and plenty of *big* names that never joined at all (or at least in anything more than an honorary "Avenger for a Day" role).

I also disagree with you and others about the shelf life of the Avengers as a movie franchise. You seem to think that the whole genre is going to go belly-up in about a decade, so Marvel needs to just cram everything in to some quick wham-bam-thankya-ma'am trilogies and be done with it. But you only need to look at film history *and* comic book history to see that these characters have LONG-lasting appeal....their lives are measured in decades, not years.

Doesn't anybody think long-term anymore....? :huh:

[Majik1387]

For Marvel Studios, the Avengers is an *all star* team movie.

Sure it may not be that way in the comics, nor is it the reason how it started, however it was a minor change in adaptation from pages to screen in which I don't find it hurting or benefiting the comics, nor was it disrespectful.

Cap, Thor, and Iron Man are the *all stars* of the MCU because they're really the only heroes who have movies outside of Avengers that are ownd by Marvel Studios; Avengers came and now opened up a door for more heroes to have solo movies or appear in future Avengers movies as team members. There's nothing wrong with that.

It's an *all star* team for the moment simply because Marvel Studios doesn't own the film copyright for Marvel Comics' other more popular team properties. With that said, I can see Marvel Studios pursuing other team flicks, but Avengers is their *all star* team property for the moment. It's the business part of copyrights minorly affecting the movies.

I do agree that there is no limit for the Avengers franchise; maybe some actors over time, but that's it really.

[Chewy]

Like I said, it became something else. The idea of a team-up is only original for so long, and eventually a long running comic needs more to flesh out. But that very first issue took characters from their own stories, put them together in one, and put all of the characters' names in large letters on the cover. It was an all-star team-up.

Avengers may not have a shelf-life, but this iteration of Avengers with this group of actors and this director certainly does. They aren't going to do it forever. I doubt any of these people will be involved beyond Avengers 3. I would rather get a full arc that gives these characters their due and really resonates with viewers accordingly than toss in extra characters because they were swell in the comics.

[Silvermoth]

Kate Hudson would make a cool Ms Marvel. I'm just reading up on her last series and she really strikes me as a good fit. She's strong and cool enough and the great thing about Ms Marvel is she's sort of a bit of a mother hen and confidant for the other Avengers. If Cap, Steve and Thor are the big three, arguably Ms Marvel is #4.

[Chewy]

Well moving forward Hulk will obviously be #4. But I really really hope Ms Marvel is in the sequel and threequel. They need to get a superpowered female character in there, and she has the potential to be Marvel's Wonder Woman. They're already pushing her everywhere else (comics, TV, video games, etc)

[cherokeesam]

Like I said, it became something else. The idea of a team-up is only original for so long, and eventually a long running comic needs more to flesh out. But that very first issue took characters from their own stories, put them together in one, and put all of the characters' names in large letters on the cover. It was an all-star team-up.

Avengers may not have a shelf-life, but this iteration of Avengers with this group of actors and this director certainly does. They aren't going to do it forever. I doubt any of these people will be involved beyond Avengers 3. I would rather get a full arc that gives these characters their due and really resonates with viewers accordingly than toss in extra characters because they were swell in the comics.

Looking beyond the shelf life of the individual actors is the best way to give these characters their due. Iron Man will still be around long after RDJ has moved on, and Kevin Feige has made it clear in the wake of Avengers' success that whoever plays the role in the future will still be in continuity. As will all the other roles. That's why I can't fathom trying to generate a story arc or trilogy or whatever based around *just* the current crop of actors.

I'm sure the actors' involvement in the movies isn't dependent on what the other actors do anyway --- i.e., I *strongly* doubt the two Chrises or Ruffalo or Renner or Scarjo or Samjack would arbitrarily end/fail to renew their contracts just because RDJ pulls out sometime in the future.

[Chewy]

The two Chrises, ScarJo and Renner all signed for 6 movies. Three solos and three Avengers.

I don't look at it as the others pulling out when RDJ is done, I look at it as RDJ sticking around until the others are done (ie two more Avengers movies)

Besides, I believe attempting to do an Avengers movie with this same cast but someone else as IM is a horrendous idea. An entirely fresh cast after these folk are done is the way to go

Can you imagine Empire Strikes Back with someone else as Han Solo?

[marcvader]

Can you imagine Empire Strikes Back with someone else as Han Solo?

Shut yo mouf!

[cherokeesam]

The two Chrises, ScarJo and Renner all signed for 6 movies. Three solos and three Avengers.

I don't look at it as the others pulling out when RDJ is done, I look at it as RDJ sticking around until the others are done (ie two more Avengers movies)

Besides, I believe attempting to do an Avengers movie with this same cast but someone else as IM is a horrendous idea. An entirely fresh cast after these folk are done is the way to go

Can you imagine Empire Strikes Back with someone else as Han Solo?

Can you imagine someone else as Moneypenny, or M, or Q....? Oh wait


See, that's the difference. We're putting two different paradigms on the Avengers. You see it as Star Wars, and I see it as James Bond.

[Eddie Dean]

The Bond example isn't the best one because those recasts were either caused by death or retirement. Besides films like Star Wars (or Harry Potter, LOTR, etc...) are an ensemble like The Avengers, where as James Bond is a one man show.

[Chewy]

Can you imagine someone else as Moneypenny, or M, or Q....? Oh wait


See, that's the difference. We're putting two different paradigms on the Avengers. You see it as Star Wars, and I see it as James Bond.
Those are tertiary characters. RDJ is the main attraction, or at least 1/4 of it.

[Donnie Darko]

I think the "Bond" analogy works best for Batman, and has, to some extent, in the past. I don't think recasting Batman would have been so jarring if the rest for the movie wasn't so bad (I'm referring to the Schumacher, not Nolan, films here). After Nolan and Bale leave Batman, I want a new actor and director to come in and pick up with loose continuity to the Nolan films. I sure as hell don't want another origin film, but I also don't want someone to try to recreate the Nolan/Bale experience either. Just say everything that happened in these three films did happen, but we are going to try things a little differently, and just like Schumacher did, maybe keep people like Alfred and Gordon the same.

Anyway, I'm not sure how that would work in Avengers, now that we have already seen them all together. I haven't seen a single person complain about Ruffalo after seeing the movie, but that could be because Norton never established the character as an Avenger.

[cherokeesam]

Those are tertiary characters. RDJ is the main attraction, or at least 1/4 of it.

Okay, how about someone else playing James Bond....?

You're not gonna say *he's* tertiary to the Bond series, are you....? :oldrazz:

[marcvader]

I think Tony would be replaced in his own movie first anyways so you'd have time to aclimate yourself to a new Tony before he ever got to Avengers. The Bond reference works better when speaking of solo movies not the Avengers.

[DrCosmic]

I agree with all, it's an all-star movie. If it wasn't, it couldn't have possibly been as highly anticipated as it is. I also agree that the Bond analogy does not work, for several reasons ranging from discontinuity between actor changes, to the dissonance of half-recasting an ensemble film.

I also disagree with you and others about the shelf life of the Avengers as a movie franchise. You seem to think that the whole genre is going to go belly-up in about a decade, so Marvel needs to just cram everything in to some quick wham-bam-thankya-ma'am trilogies and be done with it. But you only need to look at film history *and* comic book history to see that these characters have LONG-lasting appeal....their lives are measured in decades, not years.

Doesn't anybody think long-term anymore....? :huh:

Everyone dreams about long term, but successful people make sure the present, the immediate future is exceptional, so they'll have a foundation to build off of going forward, if such things are possible, because successful people know just because something has potential, doesn't mean it will be a reality. Long story short, you're counting chickens that haven't even been conceived yet.

Avengers may not have a shelf-life, but this iteration of Avengers with this group of actors and this director certainly does. They aren't going to do it forever. I doubt any of these people will be involved beyond Avengers 3. I would rather get a full arc that gives these characters their due and really resonates with viewers accordingly than toss in extra characters because they were swell in the comics.

Exactly. These actors won't be around forever, and they are beloved, they are not comic book characters, they are actors, and are much less expendable and sidelineable. People love RDJ as Iron Man, when you change that, you can't just assume everyone who liked it before will still like it. It's a crapshoot.

As for the topic, Kate Hudson would be absolutely awesome as Ms. Marvel, Silvermoth, I can only hope they give her enough to do. If she's going to be Maria-Hil-ish and have a couple moments and some simply dialogue, it might not be a good look for her personally.

[cherokeesam]

I agree with all, it's an all-star movie. If it wasn't, it couldn't have possibly been as highly anticipated as it is. I also agree that the Bond analogy does not work, especially as its a team up thing.


What difference does it make whether you're talking about an ensemble or a solo character....? The point being made is about new actors taking over existing roles without having to start over from scratch. They've been doing it successfully with 007 for decades.





Everyone dreams about long term, but successful people make sure the present, the immediate future is exceptional, so they'll have a foundation to build off of going forward, if such things are possible, because successful people know just because something has potential, doesn't mean it will be a reality. Long story short, you're counting chickens that haven't even been conceived yet.



Same way they were talking about Avengers back in 2008. They said it couldn't happen, and Marvel proved naysayers wrong. Big time. And now here you guys are again, saying "it can't be done"....:whatever:




Exactly. These actors won't be around forever, and they are beloved, they are not comic book characters, they are actors, and are much less expendable and sidelineable.


Ask Norton how valuable actors are to Marvel Studios, and whether or not they're expendable or sidelineable. :dry:

Marvel cares about their characters; *not* their actors or directors or writers.

[Majik1387]

Kate Hudson would make a cool Ms Marvel. I'm just reading up on her last series and she really strikes me as a good fit. She's strong and cool enough and the great thing about Ms Marvel is she's sort of a bit of a mother hen and confidant for the other Avengers. If Cap, Steve and Thor are the big three, arguably Ms Marvel is #4.
I always saw her as Mockingbird, but I'd like her as Ms. Marvel. :up:
She has some detractors for some reason though; probably because of her RomComs.
See, that's the difference. We're putting two different paradigms on the Avengers. You see it as Star Wars, and I see it as James Bond.
Best way to see it.
Ask Norton how valuable actors are to Marvel Studios, and whether or not they're expendable or sidelineable. :dry:

Marvel cares about their characters; *not* their actors or directors or writers.
Yep:up:

[marcvader]

Kate Hudson is petite.

[Majik1387]

It's called working out.
I'd also like to see Diane Kruger in the role

[DrCosmic]

^I think he's referring to her chest.

What difference does it make whether you're talking about an ensemble or a solo character....? The point being made is about new actors taking over existing roles without having to start over from scratch. They've been doing it successfully with 007 for decades.

No they haven't. They did it for decades with loads of continuity problems, took decade long breaks, several embarassing flops, and eventually had to start from scratch. If that's what you want for Avengers, you may be on your own.

Same way they were talking about Avengers back in 2008. They said it couldn't happen, and Marvel proved naysayers wrong. Big time. And now here you guys are again, saying "it can't be done"....:whatever:

Who said it can't be done? It can be done if you start with a beloved trilogy and then move off in different directions. It can't be done the way you suggest.

Ask Norton how valuable actors are to Marvel Studios, and whether or not they're expendable or sidelineable. :dry:

Marvel cares about their characters; *not* their actors or directors or writers.

I didn't say they weren't expendable or sidelineable. Do we not have enough contentions that you need to misread my statements to get more? Also, actors are worth millions and millions of dollars to Marvel Studios, so, quite valuable actually.

[Majik1387]

^I think he's referring to her chest.
That's an even worse statement then. Breast do not make a superheroine.

[Eddie Dean]

Well, Power-Girl.

[Majik1387]

Well, Power-Girl.
I find her to be a waste of a character personally, but I give kudos to DC for finally redesigning her costume to not concentrate so much on her breasts. But Marvel > DC anyway. :o:cwink:

And worst come to worst, padding is available.

[Artistsean]

Maybe Marvel will make something with Luke Cage, there was a recent commercial for some internet thing and a kid is asking his parents stuff and they find the answers on the internet. One of his questions is "How did Luke Cage get his powers?"
http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Luke%20Cage%20comics%20art.jpg

[Chewy]

Ask Norton how valuable actors are to Marvel Studios, and whether or not they're expendable or sidelineable. :dry:

Marvel cares about their characters; *not* their actors or directors or writers.
I dare you to compare the box office returns of TIH with IM/IM2/TA.

No one but some nerds (I was one of them, not trying to be flippant) was upset that Norton wasn't going to be in Avengers. That wasn't a movie that clicked with a wider audience, or an interpretation of the character that mattered to a wider audience.

RDJ made Iron Man popular, not vice-versa. Spidey made Tobey popular, Bats made Keaton popular, but RDJ made Iron Man popular.

[cherokeesam]

I dare you to compare the box office returns of TIH with IM/IM2/TA.

No one but some nerds (I was one of them, not trying to be flippant) was upset that Norton wasn't going to be in Avengers. That wasn't a movie that clicked with a wider audience, or an interpretation of the character that mattered to a wider audience.

RDJ made Iron Man popular, not vice-versa. Spidey made Tobey popular, Bats made Keaton popular, but RDJ made Iron Man popular.

Will nerds rage if they replace Banner again with someone other than Ruffalo? Is Hemsworth the only possible Thor? Evans the only possible Cap?

Yes, I know RDJ "defined" the role, and he's definitely going to be their hardest lead to replace. Someday. But you're being delusional if you think that Marvel wouldn't fire him or anyone else in their employ, if they felt the need to do so. They've got a track record with Norton, Terence Howard, Jon Favreau, Patty Jenkins and Mickey Rourke already. Hell, when all is said and done, it may turn out that Clark Gregg got the shaft, too....he certainly got written off well before his contract was due to expire. Some of those partings were on amicable terms; some weren't. Point is, Marvel Studios have made it very clear that nobody is irreplaceable.

[Silvermoth]

That's not very nice. There were other circumstances with those people you mentioned. Patty Jenkins for example wasn't really officially signed on before she left of her own volition. She still wants to work with Marvel so obviously she didn't get the shaft. She might even make a good Black Widow movie one day.

And as for Coulsen, what happened to him served the story. It's for the best. The point of these movies are to make us feel after all. Excitement. Tragedy. Little bit of horniness.

[cherokeesam]

That's not very nice. There were other circumstances with those people you mentioned. Patty Jenkins for example wasn't really officially signed on before she left of her own volition. She still wants to work with Marvel so obviously she didn't get the shaft. She might even make a good Black Widow movie one day.

And as for Coulsen, what happened to him served the story. It's for the best. The point of these movies are to make us feel after all. Excitement. Tragedy. Little bit of horniness.

Unlike certain other people on SHH, I'm not saying Marvel Studios fires or separates their talent out of malice. I don't think that even the Ed Norton decision was made lightly. But I *am* saying that Feige has made it very clear that the studio's number one priority is telling the stories and portraying the characters the way MARVEL wants, and if that means some heads have to roll, well then, that's business.

[DrCosmic]

^I think that's a bit wishful. Their number one priority is making money. They haven't replaced Wright, because they know he will make them money, and get Ant-Man out there in a big way, which means more money down the line, even if he's not part of the Avengers, that's good for business, even if it's not like the comics. As much as Marvel values their characters, they're not dumb enough to devalue the real people that are necessary to make their characters come alive. I think they learned their lesson with Norton, because now they can't get any more A-list actors after being so disrespectful.

That's an even worse statement then. Breast do not make a superheroine.

I know. It's really sad, but for most fans, afaik, superheroines are just sex fantasies, and much more attention is paid to how they fill out the suit than if they actually capture the character.

I mean, I actually like Ms. Marvel's storyline, but I'm not sure I could tell you what kind of person she is.

Diane Kruger would do well, I think, that's a solid choice. Keri Russell is a similar casting in that vein. It's interesting how young some of the Avengers are. Those actresses might have clear seniority over Cap and Thor, and certainly Widow. At that point, you might as well hire Charlize Therone, if you can get her.

[Silvermoth]

If you want to know a bit more about Ms Marvel's personality, her miniseries is pretty good but I think her appearences in 'Alias' were better. She was more three dimensional in that but still fun. She was sort of like a superheroine version of Samantha Jones which was pretty cool

[Chris B]

I like the suggestion of Bradley Cooper for Hank Pym.

I was thinking maybe Jason Issacs as the voice of Ultron.

[Majik1387]

Hell no to Cooper as anyone. I'm good with Isaacs though.:up:

[Silvermoth]

I'ld like to hear Paul Bettany as Ultron, just to keep that continuity if they decide to make Ultron into the evil J.A.R.V.I.S (wonder what that stands for anyway).

Then they could bring in Hugh Dancy as The Vision.

[DrCosmic]

I thought of that earlier, if Ultron co-opts JARVIS, then Paul Bettany would get more of a presence.

[Artistsean]

Angie Harmon wants to play She-Hulk:
http://www.themarysue.com/angie-harmon-she-hulk/

I would like to see that. I could see She-Hulk stepping into the Avengers when the Hulk leaves.

[Boom]

Doug Jones for Vision, maybe?

[Majik1387]

Paul Bettany for Vision(I've been saying this for a while). I've never supported him as Joker(and still don't) but I can entirely see him take the role of Vision after a Jarvis/Ultron storyline.

I like Angie Harmon, I don't think I can see her as She-Hulk though; Jennifer Carpenter is the only actress at the moment I can see as She-Hulk. Well, maybe Gina Carano as well.

[Dark Raven]

Angie Harmon wants to play She-Hulk:
http://www.themarysue.com/angie-harmon-she-hulk/

I would like to see that. I could see She-Hulk stepping into the Avengers when the Hulk leaves.

I don't really like Harmon for She-Hulk. She also seems too old for the character. Maybe about 10 years ago she could've worked, or even 5-6 years ago. She's nearly 40 now. It's good that she's so enthusiastic about the role though, and wearing the skimpy costume.

[Whiskey Tango]

I dunno, she doesn't exactly look like a bog hag and she seems pretty into the idea.

I know the popular young person's conception of a 40 year old is brown, liver-spotted, whithered skin, thin whispy white hair, a big mole on ones nose and crooked yellow teeth but I assure you all that's completely innaccurate.

[Dark Raven]

I dunno, she doesn't exactly look like a bog hag and she seems pretty into the idea.

I know the popular young person's conception of a 40 year old is brown, liver-spotted, whithered skin, thin whispy white hair, a big mole on ones nose and crooked yellow teeth but I assure you all that's completely innaccurate.

That's not my perception of a 40 year old at all. But my perception of Jennifer Walters is not Angie Harmon. At least she would be prepared to run around half naked and not insist on making She-Hulk seem more "dignified" or more conservative. Anyone playing She-Hulk better be prepared to get sexy.

[MessiahDecoy123]

The problem is most Hollywood actresses are too scrawny to be believable powerhouse superheroes.

[Silvermoth]

That's not my perception of a 40 year old at all. But my perception of Jennifer Walters is not Angie Harmon. At least she would be prepared to run around half naked and not insist on making She-Hulk seem more "dignified" or more conservative. Anyone playing She-Hulk better be prepared to get sexy.

Ah, I'm not sure about that to be honest. That's getting into a bit of Elektra/Catwoman territory.

She Hulk is sassy and cool but she doesn't neccessarily have to be flat out sexy for the same reason you wouldn't say 'the actor who plays Thor will have to be prepared to get sexy'

The problem is most Hollywood actresses are too scrawny to be believable powerhouse superheroes.

But that could be a good thing when it comes to Jen because she's not strong herself until she transforms, like Banner. Once she becomes She Hulk, they can always use motion capture which should be pretty cool in Shulkie's case.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I was referring to Ms Marvel.

Who should at least look toned and powerful.

Most Hollywood blondes are a bag of bones.

[DrCosmic]

Note, the Thor actor *did* have to be sexy, and they made a point of the female characters swooning over him.

[Whiskey Tango]

Anyone playing She-Hulk better be prepared to get sexy.

Maybe confident would be a better word than sexy. Isn't part of She-Hulk's schtick that Jen Walters is kind of timid and mousy while She Hulk is much more of a self-assured and aggresive personality? The sexiness would be a part of that, I think.

[Whiskey Tango]

But that could be a good thing when it comes to Jen because she's not strong herself until she transforms, like Banner. Once she becomes She Hulk, they can always use motion capture which should be pretty cool in Shulkie's case.

Hmm, I wonder if they'd build a completely new model like Hulk or if she'd look more like the aliens in Avatar. Sort of just manipulating the actual actress. I nhave not looked at any of the avatar fx features to see what Cameron did but I would think somehting similar would be pretty awesome for Jen.

[cherokeesam]

Hmm, I wonder if they'd build a completely new model like Hulk or if she'd look more like the aliens in Avatar. Sort of just manipulating the actual actress. I nhave not looked at any of the avatar fx features to see what Cameron did but I would think somehting similar would be pretty awesome for Jen.

TBH, a CGI Shulkie would work a lot better than a green-painted Orion slave girl.

[Majik1387]

I don't see She-Hulk not being CGI, possibly due to Chyna being in the Avengers porn parody and they painted her there, but Marvel Studios knows better

[Whiskey Tango]

I never once mentioned body paint.

[Jake Cassidy]

My candidates for Ms. Marvel

Yvonne Strahovski
http://fwallpapers.com/files/imagecache/iphone4/images/yvonne-strahovski.jpg

Tabrett Bethell
http://www.serienjunkies.de/news/review/tabrett_bethell_cara_legend_of_the_seeker1.jpg

Rachel Nichols
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6U1C1KmoePE/TasTQlJqCrI/AAAAAAAABEk/F7JEac8mFRA/s1600/Rachel-Nichols-2.jpg

Katheryn Winnick
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22400000/Katheryn-Winnick-Photoshoot-for-Toro-Magazine-katheryn-winnick-22461250-433-650.jpg

[jaymes_e06]

Yvonne Strahovski= Ms. Marvel

[Whiskey Tango]

My candidates for Ms. Marvel

Yvonne Strahovski
http://fwallpapers.com/files/imagecache/iphone4/images/yvonne-strahovski.jpg

Yvonne Strahovski= Ms. Marvel

:up:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2d1v5vt.jpg

[Jake Cassidy]

That's awesome.

[jaymes_e06]

:up:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2d1v5vt.jpg
:hrt:

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sold!

(she needs to build some toned body mass though)

[MessiahDecoy123]

Lock her up Marvel!

Lock her up!

[Jake Cassidy]

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[flickchick85]

So I guess there are basically two threads for this now, lol. Heroes I'd like to see in the MCU soon...

Black Panther
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Chiwetel Ejiofor


Ms. Marvel
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Yvonne Strahovski (one of the few fan-faves I've always agreed with)


Iron Fist
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Liam Hemsworth - I know there will be some objections to this, but what can I say - he and Armie Hammer are the only two blonde, privileged-looking young actors (since Danny's supposed to be 19 when he returns to our world from K'un-L'un) I can think of working in movies right now whom I could also buy kicking some a**. And the fact is, I CAN'T STAND Armie Hammer, so I was left with Liam. As for his brother being Thor, I think the characters are styled so differently (one clean-cut, the other with long hair and a beard) and speak so differently that it wouldn't be an issue.


Luke Cage
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Omari Hardwick


And Dr. Strange, who I don't have one casting preference for at all, but I'd be perfectly happy if he were played by any of these actors...

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[Jake Cassidy]

Depp, Edgerton, Mortensen. Who are the other two?

[Majik1387]

Can we please use size appropriate pictures in here so that the thread doesn't get stretched out? As it's been said there seems to be 2 of these threads now, however this one has more discussion and mindsets being used compared to the other one. Can we please continue keeping the threads similar yet different so that they don't merge into one clustercluck?

[Jake Cassidy]

No!

:oldrazz:

[Jake Cassidy]

Black Panther
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9531/chiwetelejiofor.jpg
Chiwetel Ejiofor


Ms. Marvel
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/732/yvonnestrahovskilonghai.jpg
Yvonne Strahovski (one of the few fan-faves I've always agreed with)




As far as I'm concerned, this has to happen. :yay:

[Dark Raven]

:up:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2d1v5vt.jpg

Great pic and it really sells it, but what the heck are those shorts doing on her? She should have more of a bikini bottom with leg showing.

I think She-Hulk shouldn't be completely CGI like the Hulk, because she's not as much of a monster like the Hulk. They should use Movie Reshape on the actress instead.

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That way she can be completely played by the actress and still look like her, but with her height, muscles and proportions enhanced and can be digitally coloured green.

She-Hulk has to look much more believably like a real woman who completely blends in with others than Hulk.

[Whiskey Tango]

Great pic and it really sells it, but what the heck are those shorts doing on her? She should have more of a bikini bottom with leg showing.

Dunno, I found it on google awhile back. I suspect they went with pants to make her look a little less stripper-ish however.

I think She-Hulk shouldn't be completely CGI like the Hulk, because she's not as much of a monster like the Hulk. They should use Movie Reshape on the actress instead.

zXSj4pcl9Ao

That way she can be completely played by the actress and still look like her, but with her height, muscles and proportions enhanced and can be digitally coloured green.

She-Hulk has to look much more believably like a real woman who completely blends in with others than Hulk.

yeah, something like this was what I was getting at, it didn't seem like an entirely new cg model for she hulk would be required.

But whatevs, the experts will handle it. that's why ILM is rich and I'm posting from a cardboard box.

[flickchick85]

Depp, Edgerton, Mortensen. Who are the other two?
Jean Dujardin and Lee Pace

[killface]

eammon walker for black panther

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[Eddie Dean]

Adam Scott - Hank Pym

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Abbie Cornish - Ms. Marvel

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[Majik1387]

Now Abbie Cornish as Ms. Marvel is an actress I can get behind.:up:

[flickchick85]

Yeah that's not a bad choice at all.

[Boom]

Adam Scott as Ant-Man could be brilliant.

[Jake Cassidy]

Fantastic choices, Eddie. I've got a new favourite for Carol and Scott could actually make me care about Pym. :yay:

[Jake Cassidy]

Natasha & Carol

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:woot:

[Silvermoth]

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Perfect. The good thing about getting Gemma is she's a real actress which is important for a role like Wanda because you'll eventually need to show her breakdown and her mental issues.

Note, the Thor actor *did* have to be sexy, and they made a point of the female characters swooning over him.
That's different to making Thor wear speedos and getting into sexy shenanigans though.

By the way, I like the idea of Jean Dujardin in a Marvel movie but I was hoping for him to play Batroc the Leaper

[flickchick85]

By the way, I like the idea of Jean Dujardin in a Marvel movie but I was hoping for him to play Batroc the Leaper
Well I think it's safe to say he's got a better chance of playing that than Dr. Strange, lol. I was just in the midst of a Dujardin marathon a couple months ago when I learned that the last name "Strange" was actually French, and suddenly I couldn't get the idea of him as Strange out of my head. I know it would never happen though. And he'd probably be too old to play Batroc by the time they got around to that character, so I doubt we'll ever see him in the MCU, sadly.

[Whiskey Tango]

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Also like Viggo for Strange, that's a good pick. I'd definitely go with an older guy though.

[OB12]

I'm still partial to Adrien Brody for Dr. Strange.

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[Chewy]

I'm still partial to Adrien Brody for Dr. Strange.
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[Whiskey Tango]

lol

[Chewy]

Ms Marvel: Alice Eve
http://i.imgur.com/K0BVH.jpg

Thanos: Ving Rhames
http://i.imgur.com/8h6PT.jpg

Dr. Strange: Bryan Cranston
http://i.imgur.com/gx0WO.jpg

Black Panther: Aldis Hodge
http://i.imgur.com/kXoM9.jpg

Captain Marvel: Jon Hamm
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Adam Warlock: Ewan McGregor
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Gamora: Lynn Collins
http://i.imgur.com/q1VXV.jpg

Rocket Raccoon: Ian McShane
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[Whiskey Tango]

...

[rayc1971]

I'm still partial to Adrien Brody for Dr. Strange.

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i like brody for strange too because he is young enough for a franchise. neeson is too old so is depp and mortenson.

[Chewy]

Adrian Brody is charisma-free.

[Whiskey Tango]

I reject the idea that you MUST cast a young guy for franchise potential. I've never liked the 'too old' argument and I like it even less here.

I've always looked at Strange as an older, more suave gentleman and in fact I'll go so far as to say that if I were in charge of the Dr. Strange movie, I'd place his accident/origin/training sometime in the mid 70's/early 80's and say that he's been defending the MCU from various supernatural threats all this time and none of us were the wiser because he's smart and capable and tricky enough to keep a low profile.

Neeson has the look, he has the dramatic range, he has the maturity I associate with Strange, he has the voice for shouting weird things like 'Hoary Hosts Of Hoggoth' without sounding cheesy.

He was just in Battleship for gods sake. He wouldn't sneer at a Dr. Strange script, I bet.

The more I think about it the more I like it. And the more I like it the more I'll spam it whenever the question comes up lol

[MessiahDecoy123]

Clive Owen

[flickchick85]

Adrian Brody is charisma-free.
Agreed.

And age doesn't really matter for Dr. Strange, imo. I mean, let's not go casting 80-year-olds (sorry Eastwood), but Dr. Strange totally works as a more mature guy. I mean, as far as I'm aware, he's usually portrayed as such anyway.

[Jake Cassidy]

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[cherokeesam]

Agreed.

And age doesn't really matter for Dr. Strange, imo. I mean, let's not go casting 80-year-olds (sorry Eastwood), but Dr. Strange totally works as a more mature guy. I mean, as far as I'm aware, he's usually portrayed as such anyway.


Exactly. Dr. Strange *is* a guy in his 40s, period. His story begins with him as a master surgeon; sorry, Doogie Howser, but there just aren't any *young* master surgeons out there.

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Who the hell is *that*....? :wow:
Dunno how her acting is, but she's got the bod and the look for Tigra, I'll give you that.

[Eddie Dean]

I cannot abide this Adrien Brody bashing. Guy's a great actor.

[Donnie Darko]

While I don't necessarily want Strange in an Avengers movie, he is a character that an older actor definitely works for. I've always pictured him as a guy in his 40s. Depp, for example, is only two years older than RDJ, and he'll, they will probably both outlive all of us in our 20s posting on SHH.

[Eddie Dean]

Oscar Isaac is the guy for Strange. He's constantly stealing scenes in every film he's in and manages to elevate crappy films like Robin Hood or Sucker Punch. He's on the cusp of stardom and Marvel should scoop him up quick.

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[DrCosmic]

I reject the idea that you MUST cast a young guy for franchise potential. I've never liked the 'too old' argument and I like it even less here.

I've always looked at Strange as an older, more suave gentleman and in fact I'll go so far as to say that if I were in charge of the Dr. Strange movie, I'd place his accident/origin/training sometime in the mid 70's/early 80's and say that he's been defending the MCU from various supernatural threats all this time and none of us were the wiser because he's smart and capable and tricky enough to keep a low profile.

Neeson has the look, he has the dramatic range, he has the maturity I associate with Strange, he has the voice for shouting weird things like 'Hoary Hosts Of Hoggoth' without sounding cheesy.

He was just in Battleship for gods sake. He wouldn't sneer at a Dr. Strange script, I bet.

The more I think about it the more I like it. And the more I like it the more I'll spam it whenever the question comes up lol

I'm going to go with this one. Nesson would add a lot more to Dr. Strange than... anyone else we've named (except maybe Clive Owen). Plus at his age, being the guy who has to start over is interesting. I think he would really sell the film.

Also, Abbie Cornish as Ms. Marvel just hit me as particularly brilliant. She a talented drama actress and an action girl. Can't really beat that.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I don't like Abbie Cornish as Ms Marvel.

Maybe because I found her dull in Sucker Punch.

[DrCosmic]

Well, she was dull in Sucker Punch, no doubt about that. She's pretty great elsewhere. So, yeah, she's not good enough to save a bad movie.

[SuperSAINT]

Strange, very Strange.

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Benedict%20Cumberbatch%20with%20beard.jpg

[Jake Cassidy]

Who the hell is *that*....? :wow:
Dunno how her acting is, but she's got the bod and the look for Tigra, I'll give you that.

Rachel Nichols

[Silvermoth]

I wonder what happened to those people who said David Tennant should play The Vision. I still like the idea. I'm intrigued by how they could get The Vision to work visually.

[marcvader]

Fully CG ala Silver Surfer from F4 2.

[OB12]

Exactly. Dr. Strange *is* a guy in his 40s, period. His story begins with him as a master surgeon; sorry, Doogie Howser, but there just aren't any *young* master surgeons out there.



Brody will be 40 next year. I wouldn't mind going a bit older but I think Neeson is too old. I just think that Brody has a good look for Dr. Strange and has enough experience, chops, and name recognition to headline the movie, but not so much so that he over takes the role like Depp would.

[marcvader]

Oscar Isaac is the guy for Strange. He's constantly stealing scenes in every film he's in and manages to elevate crappy films like Robin Hood or Sucker Punch. He's on the cusp of stardom and Marvel should scoop him up quick.

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Would not be against this but you would most certainly need to surround him with names.

[Aang]

Yvonne Strahovski as Ms. Marvel :hrt::hrt::hrt:

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[YJ1]

Yvonne Strahovski as Ms. Marvel :hrt::hrt::hrt:

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YES!

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[Majik1387]

No. :down

[ericadawn16]

I like the idea of Brody for Strange. I loved him and Ruffalo in The Brothers Bloom.

However, Benedict Cumberbatch is awesome as well and what about Emma Hiddleston?

Her brother isn't the only talented one in the family.

[MessiahDecoy123]

No. :down

Who would you prefer?

[Majik1387]

Diane Kruger, Abbie Cornish, Alice Eve(though I much prefer her being cast as Enchantress), Jessica Chastain, at this point I'd even be alright with Charlize Theron even though I don't think she's good at physical roles at all.

I'm sure there's more actresses I'm forgetting at the moment.

EDIT: Jessica Biel, Ali Larter, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Rebecca Romijn(she's not mystique anymore so why not)
EDIT 2: Kate Hudson, Naomi Watts, Erica Durance, Julie Benz, Melissa George, Agnes Bruckner, Marley Shelton

[Whiskey Tango]

I'd rather people stop mentioning Diane Kruger and Alice Eve entirely.

[Majik1387]

Well considering Kruger is just about perfect for the role, don't expect her suggestion to go away; as for Eve, like I said I much prefer her for Enchantress in Thor 2; though I know some people want her for the new Sue Storm whenever that's supposed to happen.

[Blackman]

I honestly don't think Strahovski is a good actress and I'm a fan of Chuck. Not really sure who I want as Ms. Marvel though. I like the Jessica Biel suggestion

Anyway
Patrick Wilson (Watchmen, The A-Team, Little Children) as Hank Pym
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Autumn Reeser (The O.C., No Ordinary Family) as Janet Pym
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Adrian Brody (The Pianist, Predators, Hollywoodland). I disagree with what some others have said. I think he has charisma especially in Hollywoodland and in his brief role in Midnight in Paris
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[Chewy]

I'd rather people stop mentioning Diane Kruger and Alice Eve entirely.
Why?

They're actresses who've actually proven themselves to have range. Something that can't necessarily be said for Strahovski.

[Majik1387]

Thank you both, I knew I couldn't be the only one who didn't like Yvonne.

[Whiskey Tango]

We all have our preferences.

[Chewy]

I don't dislike her I just don't necessarily get all the love. Yeah she's hot and she was okay in Chuck.

[Jake Cassidy]

Diane Kruger, Abbie Cornish, Alice Eve(though I much prefer her being cast as Enchantress), Jessica Chastain

All great picks. I also agree with Eve as Enchantress. :yay:

[flickchick85]

I thought Strahovski turned in the best performance on Chuck, tbh. Otherwise I wouldn't be supporting her either, because most of the acting on Chuck, while fun and fitting for the characters and tone of the show, was pretty one-note, imo. But I felt she was one of the few who sold her character as a flesh-and-blood person and could have just as easily fit in on a much more grounded show.

That said, I think Diane Kruger and Abbie Cornish are also great (and more realistic) choices for the role. No idea about Alice Eve, though.

[Liam_H]

Strahovski could've been another face but I really liked her in Chuck. She was always believable whenever she needed to get a certain emotion across.

[Jake Cassidy]

For those of you who have never seen 'Home and Away'. You would've never wanted Hemsworth as Thor after watching that. People can surprise you.

[Dark Raven]

I honestly don't think Strahovski is a good actress and I'm a fan of Chuck. Not really sure who I want as Ms. Marvel though. I like the Jessica Biel suggestion

Anyway
Patrick Wilson (Watchmen, The A-Team, Little Children) as Hank Pym
http://i49.tinypic.com/i2umc0.jpg

Autumn Reeser (The O.C., No Ordinary Family) as Janet Pym
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Agreed with the above, although you should pick some pictures of Autumn where she looks exactly like classic comic book Jan (and I'm not talking about Wasp with the very short, Maria Hill-type hairstyle with the black and yellow outfit):

http://myskinaffair.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/autumnreeserpic1.jpg

And


http://downloads.xdesktopwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Autumn-Reeser-Smiling-Face-Yellow-Background.jpg

[Majik1387]

Still not feeling the Reeser love either.

[ComicForAWife]

I actually think it would be interesting to have a speedster like Quicksilver on the team, don't think we've seen that on the big screen yet. It's one of those things I think only works in a team-based movie and not a solo flick. With Quicksilver comes Scarlet Witch naturally.

[Silvermoth]

Fully CG ala Silver Surfer from F4 2.

Yes but I mean I wonder how they can get the look of the Vision to work on screen. I mean, those colours are kind of eye catching. I suppose if they went Doctor Manhatten esque as inspiration and used a lighter, fleshier look for the colours it can be truthful to the comics and look really good.

[AvengeME]

Thank you both, I knew I couldn't be the only one who didn't like Yvonne.

The boobs in Mass Effect were fake so that automatically disqualifies her... :oldrazz:

[Jake Cassidy]

Ms. Marvel

http://mutantaday.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/charlize-theron.jpg?w=640

:woot:

[jaymes_e06]

Hey man I'm down with that casting! That pic... :salivates:

[Blackman]

For those of you who have never seen 'Home and Away'. You would've never wanted Hemsworth as Thor after watching that. People can surprise you.

Yeah but that's pretty flawed logic though

[Jake Cassidy]

I know. :yay:

[DrCosmic]

People can surprise you if you've only seen one thing they were in.

I think Autumn Reeser is ADORABLE, but I want a more Ultimates-style Jan.

[DACrowe]

Whoever said Alice Eve for Enchantress had a great idea.

Anyway, I came here to make one suggestion I'm 100% positive on:

Alan Tudyk as Hank Pym:

http://i2.listal.com/image/622452/500full.jpg

I know many may think he's too comedic or are turned off by this. However, I know he can be funny (see his role on Firefely/Serenity or Dodgeball), but he can also do drama and having finally seen Dollhouse, I was stunned to see him do menace and scary amazingly well.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6mNF2_QSOjM/TxmrmMwxwtI/AAAAAAAAAy8/4ZQXAWfE9Oo/s1600/dollhouse-tv-series-1x11-screencaps-mq-51.jpg

This guy has a lot of range, he's worked with Joss (again Firefly, Serenity, Dollhouse) and he looks the part. Unless the 2014 film is Edgar Wright's Ant-Man, let this be the guy. Also, with RDJ pushing 50 and Ruffalo over 40, there's room for the other smart guy being a little bit older for this movie.

[Blackman]

I dont think age would be used to put down any Marvel choices as you said Ruffalo is over 40, RDJ is 47, and I dont think that any of the Ant-Man choice that Ive seen (Jason Bateman, Lee Pace, Simon Baker, what have you) have been under 30

Anyway, I like Tudyk. Just about everytime I see him he's doing good work. That being said when it comes to Ant-Man they should get someone with a little pull. I dont mean an A List star, but someone with a decent sized fan base. Which come to think of it makes my choice of Patrick Wilson lose a lot of weight. But I wouldnt be mad if Tudyk got it though

[cherokeesam]

I think Tudyk would work great, too.

But I still want to hear more about Edgar Wright's plans for the character(s), because as the script stands now, there's a very good chance that Ant-Man is Scott Lang, with Hank Pym being an aging (aged) Baby Boomer from the 60s. If that turns out to be the case, the Ant-Man casting threads are going to have to tear it all up and start over.