Love Interest for Captain America II

[Blackman]

Who do you think the love interest of Captain American should/will be?

Sharon Carter as in the 616 universe

Janet van Dyne (Wasp) like in some of the Ultimate Universe

or who?

[antonydelfini]

Defenitely Sharon Carter. Abbie Cornish is who I want for the role.

The character journey I want for Cap in part 2 is for him to let go of the past. I want him to have a hard time letting go of his former love, former team mates, former society that he lost.

By the end of the movie, it would be great to see him have a new found love and appreciation for his new romantic partner, new teammates (SHIELD) and the 21st century American society.

[psylockolussus]

Sharon Carter.

[Carnage27]

Other. The Sharon/Cap dynamic has always held an underlying creepiness for me.

And honestly, I'd be completely okay with no love interest. Just give me a spy-type thriller movie where Cap, Hawkeye, and Widow go around kick ass and taking names.

[TheVileOne]

No to Cap and Janet/Wasp, blergh.

Just FYI, in Ultimate Avengers Cap is paired up with Black Widow.

[Mr. Immortal]

Other as in NO love interest. Cap's always operated better as a sad bastard. Peggy simply cannot be topped, either. Is not possible.

[TheVileOne]

Mr. Immortal, Cap can't stay a virgin for another movie man. He's a 90 year old virgin now.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Defenitely Sharon Carter. Abbie Cornish is who I want for the role.

what a waste of potential. Abbie has to get a MCU super hero role herself.

[MarvelKnight]

Sharon Carter should be the love interest, clearly, but I don't think it is necessary for it to be immediate. Love interest's are slightly overrated, imho, and since 70 years probably still seems like yesterday for Cap, no reason to try and start Steve on the path to getting over Peggy yet. I don't think he should even know Sharon Carter is related to Peggy for a while either.

A smart little quip like 'you remind me of someone I used to know' would suffice if they interact, but yeah, no need to go into a full-tilt romance right out of the gate. Also, I'm convinced Amanda Righetti was Sharon Carter. She is smoking and underrated imho, so I hope she gets a chance to come back and bring Sharon Carter to life.

[Artistsean]

I think he should have a sort of Love Triangle. Not so there is the drama of juggling two girls or one finding out or something. Not that type of triangle. It should be Agent Sharon Carter of SHIELD and Bernie Rosenthal, an stained glass artist and glass blower.
The idea would be that he is drawn to both women, one represents his life as Captain America and the other represents his life as Steve Rogers. Which should he choose?
It would help symbolize the choice Steve feels like he has to make, being Steve or being Captain America.

Thats what I would make the movie about too.
It would take place in modern day and show how Steve is struggling with his new life. Should he give up being Steve since everyone he knew is dead or dying? Should he just be Captain America? Or should he try being Steve? Being an artist like he was before the serum and WWII? Should he try to have a normal life apart from Captain America?
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[Webfoot Hero]

Sharon Carter is who it should be. Really no other logical person, except if you maybe want to go down the Diamondback route, which I doubt they will.

[Blackman]

I think he should have a sort of Love Triangle. Not so there is the drama of juggling two girls or one finding out or something. Not that type of triangle. It should be Agent Sharon Carter of SHIELD and Bernie Rosenthal, an stained glass artist and glass blower.
The idea would be that he is drawn to both women, one represents his life as Captain America and the other represents his life as Steve Rogers. Which should he choose?
It would help symbolize the choice Steve feels like he has to make, being Steve or being Captain America.

Thats what I would make the movie about too.
It would take place in modern day and show how Steve is struggling with his new life. Should he give up being Steve since everyone he knew is dead or dying? Should he just be Captain America? Or should he try being Steve? Being an artist like he was before the serum and WWII? Should he try to have a normal life apart from Captain America?

That's a good idea

[Silvermoth]

That is indeed an interesting idea.

I've never thought of Bernie being in a Captain America movie until you pitched that.

I could see Jasika Nicole as Bernie and if that woman at the end of CA isn't Sharon then Jessica Marias as her.

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[Artistsean]

Thanks. So glad you guys like the idea. To flesh it out a little further, and to further make the choice hard I would also include in the cast his friends from the apartment when he was dating Bernie Rosenthal (http://marvel.wikia.com/Bernadette_Rosenthal_%28Earth-616%29), Josh Cooper (http://marvel.wikia.com/Joshua_Cooper_%28Earth-616%29), Mike Farrell (http://marvel.wikia.com/Mike_Farrell_%28Earth-616%29), and Anna Kapplehaum (http://marvel.wikia.com/Anna_Kapplebaum_%28Earth-616%29) as part of his civilian life as Steve Rogers. And I would include Sharon Carter and Agent Samuel Wilson. Give him a good supporting cast of friends in both lives.
And I wouldn't have Steve actually dating both, I don't see him doing that. He would hold off until he made a choice and then date one of them.
Maybe include a cameo by RDJ as Tony Stark who could joke about how Cap could date them both, to Cap's shock. Or maybe include Hawkeye in the film as a SHIELD agent Cap is friends with from the Avengers, maybe.

And then there would be the major story arc of the villain taking over New York or whatever. Baron Zemo or something.

[CGHulk]

His love interest will be Ashley Johnson, she's seen in the opening of the alien attack and he rescues her, she tells the reporter at the end of the movie that he saved her.

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[cherokeesam]

His love interest will be Ashley Johnson, she's seen in the opening of the alien attack and he rescues her, she tells the reporter at the end of the movie that he saved her.

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Didn't think about that, but now that you mention it, I wonder if Marvel has plans for her. Seemed to be a fairly "important" role for just a waitress who gets saved by Cap....(incidentally, there seems to be a deleted scene or two here --- I think there may have been a bigger sequence between her and Cap that was left on the cutting room floor).

[BlueLightning]

Yes, I was to mention her. Though I didn't see it at the first time, it really stand out from the last part of the movie. I thought she was cute, and I bought every bit of her speech.

[Tanin]

I say make it Maria Hill, there is no real reason it HAS to be Sharon Carter.

[cherokeesam]

I say make it Maria Hill, there is no real reason it HAS to be Sharon Carter.

Other than for the Peggy connection. Back in comic book days, it was only 20 years since the end of WWII instead of 70, so Peggy still featured very much as a character and even a love interest for 1960s Cap....albeit a May-December romance. Steve actually had to hide his relationship with Sharon from Peggy --- pretty sure he was bangin' Auntie *and* her niece.

Of course, with 70 years separating them now, that's too wide a gulf for Peggy to even be considered anymore. Still, there's some sort of psychological attachment Steve has to her through the (grand-)niece, so there's that aspect of it.

But since other people have already mentioned that Steve hooks up with Black Widow in Ultimates, and MCU shows a lotta love for Ultimates, I wouldn't be surprised to see that relationship develop in the future. Especially if it turns out that Scarjo will show up in CA2. And it'd create a triangle between her, Cap and Hawkeye, that could add a lot of drama.

[TheVileOne]

Meh don't bring back the waitress. Insignificant character.

[Majik1387]

Amanda Righetti as Sharon Carter. :o

[Silvermoth]

Didn't think about that, but now that you mention it, I wonder if Marvel has plans for her. Seemed to be a fairly "important" role for just a waitress who gets saved by Cap....(incidentally, there seems to be a deleted scene or two here --- I think there may have been a bigger sequence between her and Cap that was left on the cutting room floor).

Whedon spoke alot about how he wanted to get an ordinary perspective on the heroes so even though the waitress figured in the story, I don't think she's any more significant than that overweight cop who asks Captain America why he should follow his orders.

I say make it Maria Hill, there is no real reason it HAS to be Sharon Carter.

No thank you. I don't really like the idea of making every female character a love interest. Keep Maria strong and independent. Plus, the source material is too good to pass up as is the character of Sharon.

[cherokeesam]

Whedon spoke alot about how he wanted to get an ordinary perspective on the heroes so even though the waitress figured in the story, I don't think she's any more significant than that overweight cop who asks Captain America why he should follow his orders.





I haven't been able to confirm/deny with the viewings I've had of Avengers so far, but some people on the Interwebz claim that the waitress' nametag says "Beth." I've scoured the Marvel databases for anyone that might resemble, and the closest I can come up with is Tony Stark's Bethany Cabe, who bears no resemblance in look or story to The Waitress.

So yeah, I don't think she's an important character after all. But I *do* think she had a slightly bigger role in the Avengers that's been left on the cutting room floor. Maybe deleted scenes will show more.

[BobJM]

I say Carol Danvers (as SWORD or SHIELD agent). Have her take on a sort of Sharon Carter like role in this film while setting her up as becoming Ms. Marvel for TA2 (maybe CA2 has some cosmic/alien elements and she gets caught in an explosion?....end credits scene could be her waking up from a coma, eyes glowing or something like that)

[Blackman]

^^^^^i would mind that idea

[Majik1387]

So instead of having Sharon Carter, you want another character to act like Sharon Carter......no thanks.

[BobJM]

I don't think her character would be compromised if in the MCU she worked with Captain America before joining the Avengers.

[Majik1387]

I'm not saying Danvers would be compromised I'm saying why cut out Sharon Carter, a character who would work better in Cap's storyline, just to place Ms. Marvel when she can be placed in another movie or just have her own solo movie from the get-go.

[MarvelKnight]

Waitress' name tag definitely said Beth on it. Saw TA again last night and saw it as they were scrolling through all the TV reactions in the aftermath of the battle

[Ursa]

As Sharon Carter or another kick ass role, I'd love to see Abbie Cornish next to Chris Evans in Captain America 2, they'd make a beautiful couple.

Plus, she's a great actress.

http://www.abbie-cornish.org/gallery/albums/Events/2011%2009%2012%20TIFF%20WE%20Photocall/MQ_003.jpg

I was the first one to suggest her name, on Hayley Atwell topic. Glad people like it.

[Majik1387]

Cornish is better suited for Ms Marvel.

[cherokeesam]

Cornish is better suited for Ms Marvel.


Yeah, I'm definitely down with Abbie as Carol.

[Ursa]

For Ms. Marvel I would go with someone like Jessica Biel.

[Silvermoth]

Meh. I don't really like Biel. I think she relies on her looks a bit too much. Steve and Sharon should have an almost Rock Hudson/Doris Day style chemistry

[Jake Cassidy]

Diane Kruger would be a great Sharon Carter, imo.

[cherokeesam]

Let's make Sam Wilson the love interest for Cap. C'mon, it's 2012....get with the program, America

[xeno000]

Other. The Sharon/Cap dynamic has always held an underlying creepiness for me.

And honestly, I'd be completely okay with no love interest. Just give me a spy-type thriller movie where Cap, Hawkeye, and Widow go around kick ass and taking names.


I agree with this. Steve's relationship with Sharon not only has bizarrely creepy overtones, but it also smacked of desperation and grief on his part. When he awoke form the ice he latched on to a woman who not only resembled his lost love, but was related to her (sister/niece/whatever). And Sharon knew about that dynamic, knew how the relationship hurt her sister (in the original version), and was happy to be second best for a man who was using her as a substitute for his first lover. It was unhealthy all around and far too much like a soap opera to really work. (The fact that Sharon Carter never had much of a personality only made the situation that much worse.)


If I had my way, the writers of CA2 would either leave Steve unhappily single and focused on the mission at hand, or they would give him a love interest who was wholly normal and unconnected to his life as a superhero. Steve's ex-fiancee Bernie Rosenthal would be ideal, or a character very similar to her. Bernie was a very dynamic and interesting woman in her own right and quite a good match for Steve. She was originally an artist/glassblower, which gave them a talent in common as Steve is a commercial artist. He's an old fashioned guy so it makes sense that he would choose a normal, old fashioned girl like Bernie. Not all love interests have to be super, or soapy.

[xeno000]

Let's make Sam Wilson the love interest for Cap. C'mon, it's 2012....get with the program, America


That could work. Steve and Sam are perfect as partners, they were great friends and extremely compatible. I'm not so sure how it would go over, though. After the furor about Nick Fury and Heimdall I'm afraid that race is still a sensitive issue, even in this day and age.

[Majik1387]

There was little furor over those characters, especially Heimdall.

[Christopher_M]

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Sharon Carter needs to be similar Hayley Atwell/Peggy, a femme fatale. An unassuming gorgeous lady who could break your neck along with confidently handling large guns. Alice Eve is perfect since she was originally in the running for Peggy not to mention attached to play Emma Frost for Fox before dropping out over how terrible her character was in the script. Eve seems to still be in good favor with Marvel as she's also rumored for Amora The Enchantress or another possible part. Alice lived in both the UK and the Sates so she can juggle both accents. She's also going to be better known to international audiences thanks to MIB3 and Star Trek 2 (more action oriented role) next year with possible Doctor Strange/Ant-Man candidate Benedict Cumberbatch.

Alice on Ferguson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHk8OjGjso4

[Jake Cassidy]

^ I can actually see that happening.

[Ursa]

I still prefer Abbie Cornish.

Alice Eve could be Ms Marvel and Diane Kruger could be as Amora.

[Majik1387]

Or the actors can all be put in the roles they'd be better in. :yay:

[Jake Cassidy]

^ let me guess

Eve - Enchantress
Cornish - Carol
Kruger - Sharon

[Majik1387]

Almost, Cornish or Kruger for Ms Marvel, Righetti for Carter.

[herolee10]

I honestly wonder if they'll even have Sharon actually related to Peggy in the MCU considering on how previous Marvel films have ignored certain key relationships between other characters. Case in point:

1. X-Men: They never allude or state Nightcrawler is supposed to be Mystique's child, or that Rogue is her daugther.

2. Thor: Heimdell's relationship with Sif as siblings is never established.

Thus if Marvel finds it too creepy as well but want to use Sharon somehow, they can either say that they aren't related and that Sharon just took up peggy's Last name as a homage to her; we could say that Sharon grew up idolizing Peggy's heroics back in World War 2 or something.

[Majik1387]

I don't see Marvel ignoring this family tie.

As for Heimdall and Sif, just because it wasn't established doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Same for Mystique, Nightcrawler and Rogue; however in the X-films, they've been more open to changes in adaptation.

[DrCosmic]

I agree with this. Steve's relationship with Sharon not only has bizarrely creepy overtones, but it also smacked of desperation and grief on his part. When he awoke form the ice he latched on to a woman who not only resembled his lost love, but was related to her (sister/niece/whatever). And Sharon knew about that dynamic, knew how the relationship hurt her sister (in the original version), and was happy to be second best for a man who was using her as a substitute for his first lover. It was unhealthy all around and far too much like a soap opera to really work. (The fact that Sharon Carter never had much of a personality only made the situation that much worse.)


If I had my way, the writers of CA2 would either leave Steve unhappily single and focused on the mission at hand, or they would give him a love interest who was wholly normal and unconnected to his life as a superhero. Steve's ex-fiancee Bernie Rosenthal would be ideal, or a character very similar to her. Bernie was a very dynamic and interesting woman in her own right and quite a good match for Steve. She was originally an artist/glassblower, which gave them a talent in common as Steve is a commercial artist. He's an old fashioned guy so it makes sense that he would choose a normal, old fashioned girl like Bernie. Not all love interests have to be super, or soapy.

Thank you. Dating your ex's grand-niece is creepy weird, and they have the same last name, so you can't ignore it. It's the same with Cyclops getting with, having a kid with and then suddenly leaving Madelyne Pryor, the Jean Grey look-alike. It's ultra-douchey, and pretty frikkin creepy but we just kinda accept/ignore it in comics. It won't go over so well with the GA who isn't as attached to these characters.

Not only does it not have to be Sharon, but it shouldn't be. I think having her in there as a love triangle like Sean said, with Bernie winning out in the end could be pretty cool, and really bring Cap back down to a human element.

I am also a fan of giving Sharon Carter's role to Carol Danvers, as Carol can still serve the purpose of the Sharon Carter role, as well as be her own character, even a teammate at some point, now with 'history' with Cap. It's just plain old narrative efficiency.

But having no love interest like a B-movie is out of the question, guys, seriously.

[Radioactive1980]

Didn't think about that, but now that you mention it, I wonder if Marvel has plans for her. Seemed to be a fairly "important" role for just a waitress who gets saved by Cap....(incidentally, there seems to be a deleted scene or two here --- I think there may have been a bigger sequence between her and Cap that was left on the cutting room floor).

Forgot about her, she would actually make a pretty cool love interest, and somewhat different in that she is not a perfect 10 type. I just hope Cap gets laid in CA2 because him possibly still being a virgin in TA bugged me a bit.

[cherokeesam]

Thank you. Dating your ex's grand-niece is creepy weird, and they have the same last name, so you can't ignore it. It's the same with Cyclops getting with, having a kid with and then suddenly leaving Madelyne Pryor, the Jean Grey look-alike. It's ultra-douchey, and pretty frikkin creepy but we just kinda accept/ignore it in comics. It won't go over so well with the GA who isn't as attached to these characters.

Not only does it not have to be Sharon, but it shouldn't be. I think having her in there as a love triangle like Sean said, with Bernie winning out in the end could be pretty cool, and really bring Cap back down to a human element.

I am also a fan of giving Sharon Carter's role to Carol Danvers, as Carol can still serve the purpose of the Sharon Carter role, as well as be her own character, even a teammate at some point, now with 'history' with Cap. It's just plain old narrative efficiency.

But having no love interest like a B-movie is out of the question, guys, seriously.

What's douchey or creepy about Cap meeting and growing attached to the grand-niece of the woman he was madly in love with in WWII? As far as his perception is concerned, it was only yesterday that he promised that dance to Peggy, and now he (and she) will never have that, because time (and probably death) has separated them forever. Sharon looks like her, reminds him of her, and is related to her. There's nothing creepy or douchey about him projecting Peggy onto Sharon; in fact, it would likely be a point of discussion and contention in their relationship, as Sharon realizes that Steve is doing just that.

What was creepy and douchey was the way it was handled in the actual comics, because Peggy WAS still alive, and very much still in Steve's love life. She was only about twenty years older than him there, so the comic book version of the story had Steve banging his cougar girlfriend while doing her younger, hotter niece on the sly. THAT, my friend, is frickin' douchey. The movies give Steve the graceful out of having seventy years and death (again, presumably) separating the two women who are his love interests.

[Jake Cassidy]

Who knows? They could go the 'Ultimates' route and have the Cap/Widow thing.

[Majik1387]

I hope not. :down

[Radioactive1980]

Hayley Atwell was awesome in CATFA but I hope she is not cast as the love interest in Cap2, that would just be dumb. She is dead at this point and that is that. It would be cool if she reprised her role for a flashback sequence of some significance, but beyond that no. Cap needs an all new love interest and I want to see him getting out of bed with some wench so there can no longer be any doubt about him having lost his cherry.

[Jake Cassidy]

I hope not. :down

Me neither. I would like to see BW and Hawkeye in the movie, though.

[The Infernal]

Why would anyone think to pair him with Wasp? *remembers the Ultimates* Oh, that. :barf:

[DrCosmic]

What's douchey or creepy about Cap meeting and growing attached to the grand-niece of the woman he was madly in love with in WWII? As far as his perception is concerned, it was only yesterday that he promised that dance to Peggy, and now he (and she) will never have that, because time (and probably death) has separated them forever. Sharon looks like her, reminds him of her, and is related to her. There's nothing creepy or douchey about him projecting Peggy onto Sharon; in fact, it would likely be a point of discussion and contention in their relationship, as Sharon realizes that Steve is doing just that.

Why do you think it would be a point of contention if its not douchey?

Dating someone in order to vicariously date someone else is supremely douchey, that is, emotionally abusive and emotionally immature. When they're related, it's extra douchey, and when the original is dead, then it's just creepy. No relationship can survive that because it's not even a real relationship, it's a consolation prize. In the comics world, it's just a point of contention. In movies (and moreso in the real world) it's a game ender, as it should be.

[cherokeesam]

Why do you think it would be a point of contention if its not douchey?

Dating someone in order to vicariously date someone else is supremely douchey, that is, emotionally abusive and emotionally immature. When they're related, it's extra douchey, and when the original is dead, then it's just creepy. No relationship can survive that because it's not even a real relationship, it's a consolation prize. In the comics world, it's just a point of contention. In movies (and moreso in the real world) it's a game ender, as it should be.

So he's not allowed to fall in love with a woman who happens to be related to the long-dead woman he once kinda-sorta *almost* slept with 70 years ago....? Sorry, but horseXXXX.

1) There was *nothing* consummated between him and Peggy;
2) It was 70 freakin' years ago, and she's long dead (or should be by now);
3) it's natural that Steve and Sharon would meet, since Sharon would be extremely curious to hear stories of the famous Captain America, the man her aunt always used to tell her about;
4) it's natural that Steve would fall in love with her;
5) it's natural that Sharon would fall in love with him.

It's a great love story. And utterly unique, because of the gulf of time separating the principals. There's nothing douchey about the (potential) MCU version of the story; only the comic book version, where Cap was banging *both* of them.

[BoredGuy]

seriously!

besides.... Cap reeaally needs to get laid

[Majik1387]

When you look at it in an immature way like that, of course it sounds bad.

[marcvader]

If Peggy is dead I don't see an issue with Steve falling in love with Sharon. Love is love, after all.

[Webfoot Hero]

If he falls in love with Sharon over time due to her ability and not solely her relation to Peggy, then I think it'll be fine.

[Young Superman]

Sharon Carter

[LauraT]

I voted for Sharon, even though I think it would be a little weird to have that play out on screen. I think you'd have to go with "he didn't know" or a platonic friendship for most of the movie and then deal with the fall out.

Part of me wishes there will be lots of flashbacks so Peggy can still be in the movie as the main "love interest" as Steve comes to terms with being 70 years in the future, but that probably won't happen.

[herolee10]

I voted for Sharon, even though I think it would be a little weird to have that play out on screen. I think you'd have to go with "he didn't know" or a platonic friendship for most of the movie and then deal with the fall out.

Part of me wishes there will be lots of flashbacks so Peggy can still be in the movie as the main "love interest" as Steve comes to terms with being 70 years in the future, but that probably won't happen.

What's so frustrating is that even with Peggy being shown in flashbacks in scenes that we did not see happen in TFA, given the development of their relationship where they only just shared their first kiss near the end of Steve's run in the 40's, it'd be so limiting as to what they could present the two in when it comes to romantic situations.lol

I mean, if Steve and Peggy were lovers already by the time he got frozen where they were already sleeping with each other, then you could show things like their first kiss in a flashback for the sequel or something like that.

[LauraT]

Yeah it is admittedly hard to see where they'd fit significant moments in, given that we've seen most of their development up to the "dancing" point, although they can definitely fudge a few casual scenes. Unless they showed angsty footage of Peggy and/or Howard finally giving up on finding him. I just feel that they can't sweep her under the rug since in Cap's head it will be only a few months since he last saw her.

[marcvader]

How often do you guys really see anything significant happen in cbm movies other than kisses and such?

[Suzanne78]

Sharon really is my only choice here. Simply because of her connection to Steve's past. If played right, their relationship could be really poignant.

Ever since the Russo bros. were announced to direct CA 2, I've been desperate to see Alison Brie as Sharon. She can definitely play steely and tough too. Also, she. Is. Gorgeous. And I can sort of see a resemblance to Haley...

[Majik1387]

I love Alison Brie as much as the next guy, but no thanks to her as Sharon or any Shield Agent/superhero.

[Jake Cassidy]

I can see her as Wasp, but that's about it.

[BullMcGiveny]

There's nothing douchey about the (potential) MCU version of the story; only the comic book version, where Cap was banging *both* of them.
That's not true.

Cap was dating Sharon, but Peggy, the newly out of decades of being in a comatose state- was infatuated with Steve and was under the impression that she and Cap were still an item. Cap was very uncomfortable about it, but didn't correct her out of awkwardness/not wanting to hurt her just after she'd recovered.

Sharon, however, thought the whole thing was funny. That was douchey, but alas, that was the seventies.

[BullMcGiveny]

I vote for Sharon Carter. I don't think it has to be creepy, and here's how.

Don't make her a love interest right away.

Have her as someone working for the big bad. Cap is intrigued by her due to her resemblance to Peggy so he gets swept up in the movie's main plot. But his interest is never romantic.

Maybe have Sharon attracted to him, but nothing comes of it. They end the movie with her, Steve and Sam (gotta have Sam) as bros.

Then in the third movie, have them fall in love toward the end.

And I think Hayley Atwell should play her. Her resemblance to Peggy is pretty important, it is her resemblance to Peggy that makes him notice her in her first appearance as she's walking down the street, undercover. He only learns they're related much, much later in the comics. and to have some other actress, be she Cornish, Righetti or whoever referred to as resembling Peggy makes it look creepier, not less.

Otherwise just nix the familial relationship altogether. Carter is a pretty common name, so it could just be an odd, awkward and uncomfortable coincidence, or alternatively, call her Sharon Ferguson or give her some other last name.

Also, Hayley Atwell passes the jean and tee shirt test, so there's that.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5il38fRWb1rrwrmho1_500.jpg

[cherokeesam]

^ I'd just be happy to see Hayley again.

[Majik1387]

Had some fun with photoshop
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/SharonCarterWM.jpg

[marcvader]

Good job. The loose blond hair helps in changing her up slightly. I think with a different approach to her make up would also help in changing her appearance.


Disclaimer: I love thick girls. Dare I say it? She could lose a little weight to even further change her appearance some. Braces for impact!

[xeno000]

Why do you think it would be a point of contention if its not douchey?

Dating someone in order to vicariously date someone else is supremely douchey, that is, emotionally abusive and emotionally immature. When they're related, it's extra douchey, and when the original is dead, then it's just creepy. No relationship can survive that because it's not even a real relationship, it's a consolation prize. In the comics world, it's just a point of contention. In movies (and moreso in the real world) it's a game ender, as it should be.


Ditto that, with an side order of pathetic on Steve's part. There are what, 3 billion women in the world and he hooks up with the only one who happens to be related to his long-lost love? We all know that Steve is somewhat socially inept; that's part of his charm. But is he so hopeless and messed up that he has to latch onto Peggy's niece? Since Steve is not a douche and not a hopeless loser I think that the writers should steer clear of the Sharon mess unless they decide to make her entirely unrelated to Peggy.


Emotional health lies elsewhere, whether Steve ends up single or dates CuteBlondeWaitress from The Avengers. Or Bernie Rosenberg or an original character developed for the films. But not Diamondback because that was just as weird and messed up in its own way.


Anyone who doesn't think that a Steve/Sharon relationship would come across as at least somewhat twisted should read up on Peter Bogdanovich, who married his murdered girlfriend's younger sister. The Ick Factor can be pretty strong in situations like that. Not to mention the Sick Factor.

[BullMcGiveny]

Ditto that, with an side order of pathetic on Steve's part. There are what, 3 billion women in the world and he hooks up with the only one who happens to be related to his long-lost love? We all know that Steve is somewhat socially inept; that's part of his charm. But is he so hopeless and messed up that he has to latch onto Peggy's niece? Since Steve is not a douche and not a hopeless loser I think that the writers should steer clear of the Sharon mess unless they decide to make her entirely unrelated to Peggy.


Emotional health lies elsewhere, whether Steve ends up single or dates CuteBlondeWaitress from The Avengers. Or Bernie Rosenberg or an original character developed for the films. But not Diamondback because that was just as weird and messed up in its own way.


Anyone who doesn't think that a Steve/Sharon relationship would come across as at least somewhat twisted should read up on Peter Bogdanovich, who married his murdered girlfriend's younger sister. The Ick Factor can be pretty strong in situations like that. Not to mention the Sick Factor.

Once again, he didn't know the two were related when they first started dating.

Also you assume that Steve could only be interested in Sharon because she's related to/looks like Peggy.

Couldn't Steve just not like Sharon initially, but later (as in the 3rd movie) come to be interested in her?

[BullMcGiveny]

I don't see how people can't see anything wrong with that whole scenario... Are you really that depraved?

:whatever:

On face value, it looks bad. Yes. It looks bad in the silver age comics, because a whole lot of stuff back then looked bad.

If tackled the wrong way - which is to say Steve meets Sharon and is instantly smitten - it will look bad.

If they tackle it the right way, it won't.

Sharon is someone who isn't related. That's all the justification one needs to date some else. The fact that Steve was once interested in someone she's related to but never actually dated/made love to/married is irrelevant. It's only wrong is he's dating her BECAUSE she's related to Peggy.

[BullMcGiveny]

However, if they're going to change her so she's not related to Peggy, here's a proposition;

Sharon Coulson?

[cherokeesam]

I don't see how people can't see anything wrong with that whole scenario... Are you really that depraved?

"Depraved?"
How the hell so?
Incest is depraved. Dating the grand niece of a long dead woman you never even kissed (let alone anything further) seventy years ago doesn't even *begin* to approach incest, or anything else forbidden by Leviticus or other books of morality.

[marcvader]

Mm, they did kiss but I agree with you but the sanctimony here is ridiculous.

[Hawkingbird]

Didn't think about that, but now that you mention it, I wonder if Marvel has plans for her. Seemed to be a fairly "important" role for just a waitress who gets saved by Cap....(incidentally, there seems to be a deleted scene or two here --- I think there may have been a bigger sequence between her and Cap that was left on the cutting room floor).
I think it would be good if she was Sharon Carter undercover!

[M-2]

You guys do realize that Sharon suppose to be the splitting image of Peggy, so If Sharon is added then Hayley should just play her with an American accent and different her style....

But I Think this Sharon relationship is just Weird!!! Is Cap just inlove with her because she reminds him of Peggy?!? I know it's been in the comics for a long time but maybe they should take it in a different direction for the film....

[marcvader]

Good lord, people how about he falls in love with her over time not instantly. Has it ever occurred to some of you that this relationship can develop over time on and not instantaneously?

[cherokeesam]

Good lord, people how about he falls in love with her over time not instantly. Has it ever occurred to some of you that this relationship can develop over time on and not instantaneously?

Seriously. I fail to understand why people can't grasp a simple concept:

1) Steve Rogers & Peggy Carter start dating each other in WWII. They never consummate their relationship, but Steve promises her a dance.
2) Never gets a chance. He's too busy sacrificing himself to save the nation, and he apparently dies a hero's death over frozen waters.
3) Peggy moves on with her life, and dies peacefully of old age sometime thereafter.
4) Peggy's grand-niece, Sharon Carter, grows up enthralled by her great aunt's thrilling stories about espionage, WWII, and her doomed relationship with Captain America, the First Avenger. She goes on to become a secret agent herself with SHIELD, following in Peggy's footsteps.
5) Meanwhile, SHIELD discovers Steve's body in the arctic, thaws him, and he resumes his superhero career and leads the Avengers to victory over the Chitauri invasion.
6) Sharon Carter hears about all this, of course, and goes out of her way to arrange a meeting with Captain America.
7) They share stories about Peggy, and maybe cry on each other's shoulders about her passing; even though there's a big difference between their perceptions of how much time has passed.
8) Steve can't help but be reminded of how much Sharon looks like Peggy.
9) They team up and work together on various missions, and become fast friends.
10) Friendship develops into something deeper, and they fall in love.

What's so hard to figure out? And where does the "ick" factor come into play in that story? Really, you guys are making mountains out of molehills. General audiences won't have any problem with this at all.

[DrCosmic]

So he's not allowed to fall in love with a woman who happens to be related to the long-dead woman he once kinda-sorta *almost* slept with 70 years ago....? Sorry, but horseXXXX.

1) There was *nothing* consummated between him and Peggy;
2) It was 70 freakin' years ago, and she's long dead (or should be by now);
3) it's natural that Steve and Sharon would meet, since Sharon would be extremely curious to hear stories of the famous Captain America, the man her aunt always used to tell her about;
4) it's natural that Steve would fall in love with her;
5) it's natural that Sharon would fall in love with him.

It's a great love story. And utterly unique, because of the gulf of time separating the principals. There's nothing douchey about the (potential) MCU version of the story; only the comic book version, where Cap was banging *both* of them.

See how you try to make it seem like a coincidence, then try to make it seem like it would naturally happen? You may also notice you skipped over the emotional subtext that I kept going on about trying to focus on some irrelevant consummation. The issue is not that they were together, but that Steve still loves her, so getting a substitute her is utter douchebaggery.

Then in the third movie, have them fall in love toward the end.

And I think Hayley Atwell should play her. Her resemblance to Peggy is pretty important, it is her resemblance to Peggy that makes him notice her in her first appearance as she's walking down the street, undercover. He only learns they're related much, much later in the comics. and to have some other actress, be she Cornish, Righetti or whoever referred to as resembling Peggy makes it look creepier, not less.

Otherwise just nix the familial relationship altogether. Carter is a pretty common name, so it could just be an odd, awkward and uncomfortable coincidence, or alternatively, call her Sharon Ferguson or give her some other last name.

Hmmm... interesting. Spreading out the love story does make it potentially not douchey. I don't think Sharon, or her relationship with Steve is interesting enough to warrant such a sprawling multi-movie arc, but eh, go fig.

I also agree that having Haley play Sharon makes it less douchey.

Good lord, people how about he falls in love with her over time not instantly. Has it ever occurred to some of you that this relationship can develop over time on and not instantaneously?

In action movies, relationships do develop instantly. They don't devote much time to the love story in a superhero film, unless the love interest is also the sidekick and they have time to work out any initial conflicts before paying off the big kiss or similar relationship moment.

Seriously. I fail to understand why people can't grasp a simple concept:

1) Steve Rogers & Peggy Carter start dating each other in WWII. They never consummate their relationship, but Steve promises her a dance.
2) Never gets a chance. He's too busy sacrificing himself to save the nation, and he apparently dies a hero's death over frozen waters.
3) Peggy moves on with her life, and dies peacefully of old age sometime thereafter.
4) Peggy's grand-niece, Sharon Carter, grows up enthralled by her great aunt's thrilling stories about espionage, WWII, and her doomed relationship with Captain America, the First Avenger. She goes on to become a secret agent herself with SHIELD, following in Peggy's footsteps.
5) Meanwhile, SHIELD discovers Steve's body in the arctic, thaws him, and he resumes his superhero career and leads the Avengers to victory over the Chitauri invasion.
6) Sharon Carter hears about all this, of course, and goes out of her way to arrange a meeting with Captain America.
7) They share stories about Peggy, and maybe cry on each other's shoulders about her passing; even though there's a big difference between their perceptions of how much time has passed.
8) Steve can't help but be reminded of how much Sharon looks like Peggy.
9) They team up and work together on various missions, and become fast friends.
10) Friendship develops into something deeper, and they fall in love.

What's so hard to figure out? And where does the "ick" factor come into play in that story? Really, you guys are making mountains out of molehills. General audiences won't have any problem with this at all.

... ten extended bullet points is not a simple concept. It's a full story. We are familiar with the series of events, but the subtext in those actions is... grimy. There's hero worship which turns into emotional intimacy over commiseration, and then in the face of that loss, Steve sees 'a new Peggy' and then develops a relationship with her, that soon (how many missions you think they'll fit in a movie?) turns romantic. After all, how long can two attractive young people remain just friends without either wanting more? In movies even less time.

Also... this is the love interest for Cap 2 thread... if you want Sharon Carter as the love interest for Cap 3, as many of your are describing, perhaps we should talk about the love interest for Cap 2 then. :)

This Bernie Rosenthal character is growing on me though, quickly. I'm feeling the love triangle, which would also effectively undermine the subtext that Steve is just replacing Peggy, that he's very capable of getting with someone very different emotionally, but he just might choose not to.

I don't see how people can't see anything wrong with that whole scenario... Are you really that depraved?

Comics can mess up your perception of reality. If you've been reading about a given depravity for 30 years and its always been portrayed as normal and healthy and rational, then you lose the ability to realize what it really is.

[DrCosmic]

When you look at it in an immature way like that, of course it sounds bad.

Is there any other way to look at it? If she reminds me of my unavailable ex, and I fall for her, how does the resemblance not play a part major in that?

[marcvader]

But he doesnt fall for her instantly. It grows organically over time. Guess what thats how it happened in First Avenger too.

[cherokeesam]

See how you try to make it seem like a coincidence, then try to make it seem like it would naturally happen? You may also notice you skipped over the emotional subtext that I kept going on about trying to focus on some irrelevant consummation. The issue is not that they were together, but that Steve still loves her, so getting a substitute her is utter douchebaggery.

So the essential 90-year old virgin (as posters here like to joke) is *supposed* to remain celibate and virginal....for his long-dead soulmate....? :huh:

Dude, please. Steve's heart is gonna be broken realizing that Peggy is dead and he never got that chance to dance with her; but he's also a realistic human being. He realizes the woman is dead & gone now, and he's going to *have* to move on.

So who should we hook him up with, then....? Some chick in a bar, or on match.com? Or maybe instead: a beautiful woman who works with him on a daily basis; a beautiful woman who's the spitting image of Peggy Carter; a beautiful woman who, in fact, is a descendant of Peggy Carter; a beautiful woman who already idolizes Captain America and everything he stands for.....?

Hm. Decisions, decisions

[Scarilian]

Who do you think the love interest of Captain American should/will be?

Sharon Carter as in the 616 universe

Janet van Dyne (Wasp) like in some of the Ultimate Universe

or who?


Apparently the female waitress in 'The Avengers' was supposed to have a much larger role so i presume they were trying to set her up as a love interest. Then again, i`ld prefer Captain America 2 to focus on the 'Winter soldier' and his old love interest, i`ld like to see some closure on that.

[Webfoot Hero]

Apparently the female waitress in 'The Avengers' was supposed to have a much larger role so i presume they were trying to set her up as a love interest. Then again, i`ld prefer Captain America 2 to focus on the 'Winter soldier' and his old love interest, i`ld like to see some closure on that.
She was just a waitress at a restaurant he ate at (which was cut out) and saw him again without his mask during the NYC battle. She didn't have that big of a part in the movie.

[Radioactive1980]

Seriously. I fail to understand why people can't grasp a simple concept:

1) Steve Rogers & Peggy Carter start dating each other in WWII. They never consummate their relationship, but Steve promises her a dance.
2) Never gets a chance. He's too busy sacrificing himself to save the nation, and he apparently dies a hero's death over frozen waters.
3) Peggy moves on with her life, and dies peacefully of old age sometime thereafter.
4) Peggy's grand-niece, Sharon Carter, grows up enthralled by her great aunt's thrilling stories about espionage, WWII, and her doomed relationship with Captain America, the First Avenger. She goes on to become a secret agent herself with SHIELD, following in Peggy's footsteps.
5) Meanwhile, SHIELD discovers Steve's body in the arctic, thaws him, and he resumes his superhero career and leads the Avengers to victory over the Chitauri invasion.
6) Sharon Carter hears about all this, of course, and goes out of her way to arrange a meeting with Captain America.
7) They share stories about Peggy, and maybe cry on each other's shoulders about her passing; even though there's a big difference between their perceptions of how much time has passed.
8) Steve can't help but be reminded of how much Sharon looks like Peggy.
9) They team up and work together on various missions, and become fast friends.
10) Friendship develops into something deeper, and they fall in love.

What's so hard to figure out? And where does the "ick" factor come into play in that story? Really, you guys are making mountains out of molehills. General audiences won't have any problem with this at all.

It's so lame and contrived tho, not to mention creepy and weird.
And what would be the point?
She would always play second fiddle to Peggy in Steve's mind.

Look, Hayley Atwell was AWESOME but Cap & Peggy were two ships that passed in the night and now she's dead. Time to get over it fanboys. CAII needs an all new love interest, a fresh start and all that. Not a woman that will constantly remind him of a lost love, sheesh!

[cherokeesam]

It's so lame and contrived tho, not to mention creepy and weird.
And what would be the point?
She would always play second fiddle to Peggy in Steve's mind.

Look, Hayley Atwell was AWESOME but Cap & Peggy were two ships that passed in the night and now she's dead. Time to get over it fanboys. CAII needs an all new love interest, a fresh start and all that. Not a woman that will constantly remind him of a lost love, sheesh!

Cap's ENTIRE career has been based on being constantly reminded (usually physically) of everything and everyone he lost in WWII. Why would anyone expect things to change in the movies....? :huh:

[M-2]

It's so lame and contrived tho, not to mention creepy and weird.
And what would be the point?
She would always play second fiddle to Peggy in Steve's mind.

Look, Hayley Atwell was AWESOME but Cap & Peggy were two ships that passed in the night and now she's dead. Time to get over it fanboys. CAII needs an all new love interest, a fresh start and all that. Not a woman that will constantly remind him of a lost love, sheesh!

Agreed! I see the Marvel Cinematic Universe as just another iteration too these characters. In the comics we have the Normal continuity, Ultimates, Earth-X etc...

So i don't see why they can't change certain things for the films. Sharon and Caps relationship, might of been accepted by the larger comic book audience, but will it be accepted by General Audiences??

At the end of the day, people will always see Peggy as Cap's first love. Peggy doesn't even get married after Cap, or get children, was She waiting for Cap all these years?? If she is alive she would want cap to move on, but i doubt she would be happy if he is with her niece...

If they do decide to go with Sharon they should make her totally DIFFERENT to Peggy, Cap shouldn't be reminded about Peggy when he looks, speaks or is on a mission with Sharon... There dynamic should be totally different...and Not just have Sharon come through as a modern day Peggy.

But Family dating another family members ex... is just a NO NO!! Maybe its a culture thing, but that wouldn't fly down well here in South Africa

[Radioactive1980]

Agreed! I see the Marvel Cinematic Universe as just another iteration too these characters. In the comics we have the Normal continuity, Ultimates, Earth-X etc...

So i don't see why they can't change certain things for the films. Sharon and Caps relationship, might of been accepted by the larger comic book audience, but will it be accepted by General Audiences??

At the end of the day, people will always see Peggy as Cap's first love. Peggy doesn't even get married after Cap, or get children, was She waiting for Cap all these years?? If she is alive she would want cap to move on, but i doubt she would be happy if he is with her niece...

If they do decide to go with Sharon they should make her totally DIFFERENT to Peggy, Cap shouldn't be reminded about Peggy when he looks, speaks or is on a mission with Sharon... There dynamic should be totally different...and Not just have Sharon come through as a modern day Peggy.

But Family dating another family members ex... is just a NO NO!! Maybe its a culture thing, but that wouldn't fly down well here in South Africa

Good point didn't even think of that one, and no it's not just a South African thing.

[BullMcGiveny]

Peggy doesn't even get married after Cap, or get children, was She waiting for Cap all these years?? If she is alive she would want cap to move on, but i doubt she would be happy if he is with her niece...
Where did you get that information?

[BullMcGiveny]

I firmly believe that it could be done without it being creepy, but many seems to reject her on principal.

So how about this; make her Phil Coulson's daughter instead?

[Majik1387]

Because that's retarded. Coulson is dead, and rewriting a character's relation to a separate character to have him live on is as stupid as turning him into the Vision or having him be an LMD.

[BullMcGiveny]

Because that's retarded. Coulson is dead, and rewriting a character's relation to a separate character to have him live on is as stupid as turning him into the Vision or having him be an LMD.
Eh, who said anything about doing to let Coulson live on?

[Majik1387]

There's no other reason to change Sharon from Carter to Coulson.

[BullMcGiveny]

There's no other reason to change Sharon from Carter to Coulson.
Well, as I said, it's because it's becoming clear that no one is going to buy Steve dating a Carter girl as something healthy.

They can make her Sharon [whatever last name], but making her Coulson's daughter preserves the influenced-by-someones-admiration-for-Captain-America part.

[Majik1387]

You mean a whole 3 people on this board? :huh:

[marcvader]

Ahh, the idealistic youthand their misled values.

[Majik1387]

I mean I would be able to understand if Steve and Peggy consummated at some point, or that there was a chance that Sharon was a descendant of Steve, but there is zero chance of that.
And it annoying to think that so few here think that the only reason he'd be interested in Sharon would be because of her relation to Peggy. It's like they think that's all Sharon is.

[Webfoot Hero]

I mean I would be able to understand if Steve and Peggy consummated at some point, or that there was a chance that Sharon was a descendant of Steve, but there is zero chance of that.
And it annoying to think that so few here think that the only reason he'd be interested in Sharon would be because of her relation to Peggy. It's like they think that's all Sharon is.
As long as she's not related to some unknown offspring of Peggy and Steve, I'd have no problem with Sharon being in a possible relationship with Steve.

[Majik1387]

So, like her comic counterpart then. :cwink:

[cherokeesam]

You mean a whole 3 people on this board? :huh:


Exactly.


Dear god, *please* do not mistake the misguided notions of a literal HANDFUL of SHH posters and their rather strange, inaccurate and frankly immature perceptions of what constitutes incest (or anything else "icky") as somehow being representative of how the rest of the audience would view a healthy relationship between Steve & Sharon.

a) Steve & Peggy never consummated their relationship. For those of you too young to understand what that means: they never had sex. They never did the deed. They never got married. They never even danced together. So Point A officially rules out any chance whatsoever of a Steve-Sharon relationship being legally or morally viewed as incestuous.

b) There is no indication *whatsoever* that Peggy remained celibate and waited in vain for her beloved Steve to return. As far as she and the rest of the world knew, he was deader than four o'clock, and had died in a plane crash over the North Atlantic. Yeah, there's a slim chance that she might have become an old spinster, but even in the 1940s, very very *very* few women chose that path. The most likely scenario is that she went on with her life, got married, had kids, and died sometime in the 1980s or 1990s, if she fulfilled the average life expectancy of an ordinary human being.

c) Sharon Carter is going to meet Steve Rogers. That's a given, assuming she exists in the MCU at all. Because Sharon, as a top SHIELD agent who grew up on stories of her great aunt's exploits as a spy and her fabled romance with The First Avenger, is going to make damn sure she gets a chance to meet the man who can finally tell the other side of Auntie Peggy's stories.

d) There is every reason to believe that Sharon Carter and Steve Rogers will fall in love naturally, as a result of being co-workers who spend a lot of time together and who share a lot of personality traits and the same interests and worldviews. And are biologically close to the same age, and who are both gorgeous.

There's no "ick" factor involved here. People are grasping at straws, just to justify their own hopes for Cap to shrug off his comic-book storyline and date somebody besides Sharon Carter. Agent 13 haters gonna hate.

[BullMcGiveny]

I mean I would be able to understand if Steve and Peggy consummated at some point, or that there was a chance that Sharon was a descendant of Steve, but there is zero chance of that.
And it annoying to think that so few here think that the only reason he'd be interested in Sharon would be because of her relation to Peggy. It's like they think that's all Sharon is.
I agree completely.

Quite a few people will make snap judgements, but Sharon as Peggy's grand-niece could be done without it seeming badwrong.

But if Marvel/Russos are iffy about it, they can make her Coulson's daughter instead of leaving her out completely.

[Dark Raven]

I wouldn't mind seeing Rachel Leighton/ Diamondback show up at some point, just to complicate things. She doesn't need to be a permanent love interest, but more like someone who flirts with Cap and tempts him, and he in turn influences her to become a force for good. She could be someone sent by Viper and the Serpent Society to spy on Cap but ends up falling for him and turning.

[Majik1387]

I'd like Diamondback to be an obstacle between Steve and Sharon. And I definitely want to see Viper and the Serpent Society in future movies. :up:

[silver age guy]

You need to go back to Tales of Suspense #75 from 1966
To see how the cap/Sharon relationship started.
Sharon was a SHIELD agent who bore a striking resemblance
to Peggy that Cap had briefly met on a mission against AIM
Over time, things just worked out. And yes, she was related to
Peggy Carter. That was another piece of the story
That made the relationship intriguing. It worked
In the comic books, and it will work in the movies.
Hollywood ALWAYS runs in to trouble when they
Mess with Stan Lee's inspired writting and scripting
of the original story lines. Haley Atwell needs to come
Back as Sharon.

[DrCosmic]

So the essential 90-year old virgin (as posters here like to joke) is *supposed* to remain celibate and virginal....for his long-dead soulmate....? :huh:

Dude, please. Steve's heart is gonna be broken realizing that Peggy is dead and he never got that chance to dance with her; but he's also a realistic human being. He realizes the woman is dead & gone now, and he's going to *have* to move on.

So who should we hook him up with, then....? Some chick in a bar, or on match.com? Or maybe instead: a beautiful woman who works with him on a daily basis; a beautiful woman who's the spitting image of Peggy Carter; a beautiful woman who, in fact, is a descendant of Peggy Carter; a beautiful woman who already idolizes Captain America and everything he stands for.....?

Hm. Decisions, decisions

That makes it look like he hasn't moved on, the only girl he's interested in is another Peggy. That's how people know friends haven't moved on from their exes, they date people who look just like their exes. The closer the resemblance (same job, family relations) the clearer sign it is that the relationship is not real, it's just a consolation prize.

He should get with someone who is perhaps different from Peggy in some way. Perhaps not an intelligence agent, perhaps not in Peggy's family, perhaps not her spitting image... y'know in some way showing that he's moved on, as opposed to still interested in Peggy, who happens to not be available.

How about a Bernie Rosenthal? How about Diamondback? How about in the natural pace of the story, he comes across someone who interests him that he can learn from and grow from, as opposed to putting in a replacement Peggy and then trying to make it seem natural?

I mean I would be able to understand if Steve and Peggy consummated at some point, or that there was a chance that Sharon was a descendant of Steve, but there is zero chance of that.
And it annoying to think that so few here think that the only reason he'd be interested in Sharon would be because of her relation to Peggy. It's like they think that's all Sharon is.

It's not about relation, commitment, death, blood or anything like that.

It's about he's dating a stand in. That's douchey. Period.

The character is designed to be a stand in from the ground up. You can't use her without being douchey.

Put it this way... your best friend says he's totally over his ex. He brings by a girl who is her spitting image, same job, and is even related to her in some way. Without being able to read minds, do you think he's over his ex or not?

You mean a whole 3 people on this board? :huh:

Indeed, only three people on this board see this as something okay. Perhaps if they addressed the arguments given about the emotional subtext, the conversation could move forward.

c) Sharon Carter is going to meet Steve Rogers. That's a given, assuming she exists in the MCU at all. Because Sharon, as a top SHIELD agent who grew up on stories of her great aunt's exploits as a spy and her fabled romance with The First Avenger, is going to make damn sure she gets a chance to meet the man who can finally tell the other side of Auntie Peggy's stories.

d) There is every reason to believe that Sharon Carter and Steve Rogers will fall in love naturally, as a result of being co-workers who spend a lot of time together and who share a lot of personality traits and the same interests and worldviews. And are biologically close to the same age, and who are both gorgeous.

Assuming she exists in the MCU is the problem. It is contrived. The audience is not that naive. Sharon Carter is a replacement character, that is her purpose for existing. No matter how natural you try to make the story, you know that she's a replacement for Peggy, I know it, and so do they. It's too convenient and contrived to ever seem natural. You can say Cap is over Peggy, but dating Peggy 2.0 is proof that he's not.

There's no "ick" factor involved here. People are grasping at straws, just to justify their own hopes for Cap to shrug off his comic-book storyline and date somebody besides Sharon Carter. Agent 13 haters gonna hate.

Uh, your "counter-arguments" about to "you guys are a minority" and "you just think it's icky." It inspires me to see you as the one grasping at straws, with an immature concept of what constitutes a healthy relationship.

At the end of the day, you can say that Steve is over Peggy all day long, but when the movie, the story isn't over Peggy, when it goes out of its way to create a character that is like Peggy in every conceivable way, visually, genetically, as well as her role in the story... it creates an disingenuous effect... the main character is over Peggy, but the writers can't let her go. It's either contrived or contradictory, and a good movie is neither.

Hopefully you got more out of that than "I think it's icky." This time.

[Majik1387]

It's not about relation, commitment, death, blood or anything like that.
It's about he's dating a stand in. That's douchey. Period.
The character is designed to be a stand in from the ground up. You can't use her without being douchey.
I think you can only read it as douchey if you are douchey. At face value, she may have been a stand in(I don't think so, but we'll go with it), but that doesn't make the feelings that Steve has developed for her over time shallow. He doesn't fall for Sharon because she's Peggy with blonde hair or that she's related to his past love, he falls in love with Sharon for Sharon.
Put it this way... your best friend says he's totally over his ex. He brings by a girl who is her spitting image, same job, and is even related to her in some way. Without being able to read minds, do you think he's over his ex or not?
You do what the writers would do; approach it with care and then go with it. It's what makes him happy, so no point making an issue out of it, especially when there's no issue to make.
Indeed, only three people on this board see this as something okay. Perhaps if they addressed the arguments given about the emotional subtext, the conversation could move forward.
Actually, only 3 people on this board have an issue with Steve and Sharon. Trust me, I checked. You can do so as well. There was a 4th one, but he's on the fence about it, but if you really want, you can have that 4th one too.



I think you just don't like the character of Sharon and are just biased against her existence.

[BullMcGiveny]

Ooh so they never had sex, that makes it A-Okay? So you honestly think there is nothing wrong with starting a relationship with a relative of a past lover because they remind you of them? You guys act like we're saying its incest, its not, but that doesnt mean its not creepy as hell.

And while only 3 people on THIS BOARD have a problem with it, I'm sure at least half of the movie going audience are going to find it creepy. You guys need to come out of comic book land and just stay in reality a little.
That's the thing. Steve and Peggy were never lovers. More like friends who both wanted something more, but never got around to it.

[marcvader]

And you anti Sharon cats continúe to assume that Steve has no integrity by thinking he's interested in having a relationship with someone who looks like Peggy. The writers would be idiots to write it that way and it wont happen that way. THAT would be douchey. Relationships can take their time to develop, it happens all the time guys, for all the inexperienced. It happened that way in First Avenger for Pete's sake.

[Dark Raven]

I think that not only should Steve start a relationship with Sharon, but he should also get her to dye her hair brown, wear 1940s clothing and speak in a British accent. When she asks him why, he'll just say that he's not quite up to speed with modern women. If she's into fancy dress she'll oblige.

The only difficulty is when he starts referring to her as Peggy while in bed.

[cherokeesam]

That makes it look like he hasn't moved on, the only girl he's interested in is another Peggy. That's how people know friends haven't moved on from their exes, they date people who look just like their exes. The closer the resemblance (same job, family relations) the clearer sign it is that the relationship is not real, it's just a consolation prize.

.....................

Put it this way... your best friend says he's totally over his ex. He brings by a girl who is her spitting image, same job, and is even related to her in some way. Without being able to read minds, do you think he's over his ex or not?




Has his ex been dead for twenty+ years? Was the last time he saw his ex 70 years ago, when she was, you know, actually alive? Then yeah....I'd think he's over his ex.

[M-2]

I think that not only should Steve start a relationship with Sharon, but he should also get her to dye her hair brown, wear 1940s clothing and speak in a British accent. When she asks him why, he'll just say that he's not quite up to speed with modern women. If she's into fancy dress she'll oblige.

The only difficulty is when he starts referring to her as Peggy while in bed.

LoL hahaha the way i LOL-ed so hard when i read this!! LoL

Has his ex been dead for twenty+ years? Was the last time he saw his ex 70 years ago, when she was, you know, actually alive? Then yeah....I'd think he's over his ex.

LoL but you do realize to Cap it would feel like Peggy was alive yesterday... He didn't get that time to move on, he was a sleep for all those years...

Sharon should be introduced in the next film, but I don't think she should be the love interest, but she should be Cap's right hand when he goes on a mission... like you said before, they grew in love over time, so allow her to be introduced into the next film but have someone like Bernie Rosenthal as his new love interest... someone that isn't military or SHIELD, thats a different type of woman, the modern woman. end the film, with Cap breaking up with her, because he doesn't want to put her life in any sort of danger.

Cap 3, you show Cap and Sharon with a very cool dynamic and understanding, they have good chemistry... Cap does have some feelings for Sharon but he doesn't act upon them. Que speech by someone wise telling Cap to move on, his old life is gone Blah blah blah... end film with Cap and Sharon dancing..

But Sharon should be a totally different personality to Peggy, she Should not remind him Peggy. there only similarity is that they both military...

[marcvader]

I wouldn't be against that approach M-2. Her having American sensibilities would go a long ways to differentiating her from Peggy.

[spideymouse]

I wouldn't be against that approach M-2. Her having American sensibilities would go a long ways to differentiating her from Peggy.
Yup. As long as she isn't Canadian. JK =P

[MarvelKnight]

Easiest way to solve this problem: No damn love interest in the frickin' film.

Why does every film have to have the 'obligatory' love interest..Just because the comics have them at some point?

I don't see a problem having the film with him or Carter or Mockingbird or whoever they decide to put him with just kicking ass for 2 hrs. There are plenty other things you can insert to give the film its lighter moments.

Love Interests are truly turning into forced contrived plain stupid plot devices. Do away with it for a movie, come back with it(Next Film, solo or not) and actually have it mean something.

[Hawkingbird]

You know I'm really starting to hate Coulson...

[Dark Raven]

You know I'm really starting to hate Coulson...

What's he done now? It's not like he's come between Cap and Sharon or Cap and Peggy. That would just be a sandwich Phil-er, which I'm sure Steve wouldn't want to contemplate when he's telling Peggy Sharon to lie back and think of England.

[cherokeesam]

LoL hahaha the way i LOL-ed so hard when i read this!! LoL



LoL but you do realize to Cap it would feel like Peggy was alive yesterday... He didn't get that time to move on, he was a sleep for all those years...

Sharon should be introduced in the next film, but I don't think she should be the love interest, but she should be Cap's right hand when he goes on a mission... like you said before, they grew in love over time, so allow her to be introduced into the next film but have someone like Bernie Rosenthal as his new love interest... someone that isn't military or SHIELD, thats a different type of woman, the modern woman. end the film, with Cap breaking up with her, because he doesn't want to put her life in any sort of danger.

Cap 3, you show Cap and Sharon with a very cool dynamic and understanding, they have good chemistry... Cap does have some feelings for Sharon but he doesn't act upon them. Que speech by someone wise telling Cap to move on, his old life is gone Blah blah blah... end film with Cap and Sharon dancing..

But Sharon should be a totally different personality to Peggy, she Should not remind him Peggy. there only similarity is that they both military...

Yes, to Cap it would feel like Peggy was alive just yesterday, but if she was still alive in 2012 and he saw her now as a shriveled old 90-year old, it would freak him out. Not just physically, but mentally, of course. She's already lived an entire lifetime without him, probably got married and had kids and grandkids, and if she's not dead already, she will be soon. It's a tragic situation to be in, but he's going to realize that his and Peggy's lives no longer intersect ---- her life went on without him. And it's one *hell* of a lot simpler to illustrate all that with a graveside eulogy than trying to force a very, very awkward and squirmy scene between a 20something Steve and an old crone he no longer even knows.

But yeah, I agree with you that Sharon being an American would help a lot, considering that that's what she was in the comics anyway.

[Hawkingbird]

What's he done now? It's not like he's come between Cap and Sharon or Cap and Peggy. That would just be a sandwich Phil-er, which I'm sure Steve wouldn't want to contemplate when he's telling Peggy Sharon to lie back and think of England.
Okay I take that back, I hate how the fans are using Coulson to explain weird things such as The Vision...
Just make Sharon Carter Sharon Carter :o

[silver age guy]

All this nonsense about Peggy and Sharon Carter is easily solved. You just simply stay with the Marvel story line that has worked for almost a half of a century. Cap and Sharon meet and they fall in love. Sharon IS in fact related to Peggy but that all gets worked out between them. Sharon becomes a force in her own right and they make a great team. The plot lines started by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby worked just fine and the relationship between Cap and Sharon continues into the current era under the brilliant guidance of Ed Brubaker. Don't mess with Marvels successful formula in regards to Cap, Sharon and Peggy. Just adhere to the story as it already exists and forget about making any changes or tweaks! It's been working for the Cap story line since 1966.

[DrCosmic]

Action movie relationships don't develop over time. They happen real quick. It's not a rom com.

I think that not only should Steve start a relationship with Sharon, but he should also get her to dye her hair brown, wear 1940s clothing and speak in a British accent. When she asks him why, he'll just say that he's not quite up to speed with modern women. If she's into fancy dress she'll oblige.

The only difficulty is when he starts referring to her as Peggy while in bed.

:highfive:

I think you can only read it as douchey if you are douchey.

Really? "Takes one to know one?" That's the logic level we're on now?

At face value, she may have been a stand in(I don't think so, but we'll go with it), but that doesn't make the feelings that Steve has developed for her over time shallow. He doesn't fall for Sharon because she's Peggy with blonde hair or that she's related to his past love, he falls in love with Sharon for Sharon.

I understand what you're saying, and that sounds very nice. What I'm saying is that you can't communicate that in a film. All people will see is Steve getting with someone who is just like Peggy. There's no way to show the reason he likes the woman who is just like his ex has nothing to do with his ex. Also, even if you could show it, it's disingenuous. Sharon exists to be like Peggy. Did you think they came up with a new love interest for Cap and the writers, of all the infinite characters they could have created, just happened to make her just like Peggy but younger? Just happened to make the related?

And there's not enough time in an action movie to 'earn' that story. And if you try to stretch it out, everyone knows that the purpose of the new Peggy is to fall in love with Steve. It's obvious. It's contrived. It doesn't work, narratively to make the film better. It's just fanservice.

You do what the writers would do; approach it with care and then go with it. It's what makes him happy, so no point making an issue out of it, especially when there's no issue to make.

Why would you need to approach it with care if there's no issue to make?

Exactly.

Actually, only 3 people on this board have an issue with Steve and Sharon. Trust me, I checked. You can do so as well. There was a 4th one, but he's on the fence about it, but if you really want, you can have that 4th one too.

I don't need to be agreed with in order to be correct. Take the 4th person yourself, if you feel it makes your logic more sound.

I think you just don't like the character of Sharon and are just biased against her existence.

I don't need to make up an opinion for you either, because I can directly counter your argument. Sharon's a replacement character, and that has different implications in a film than it does in comics. It's just that simple. I don't have enough of an opinion on the character for my opinion to be relevant to the conversation, imho.

[DrCosmic]

Has his ex been dead for twenty+ years? Was the last time he saw his ex 70 years ago, when she was, you know, actually alive? Then yeah....I'd think he's over his ex.

What if he was frozen in ice, and for him 70 years ago was last week?

And you anti Sharon cats continúe to assume that Steve has no integrity by thinking he's interested in having a relationship with someone who looks like Peggy. The writers would be idiots to write it that way and it wont happen that way. THAT would be douchey. Relationships can take their time to develop, it happens all the time guys, for all the inexperienced. It happened that way in First Avenger for Pete's sake.

The writers would have to be the best writers in the world to write it any other way. It'd be different if it was just looking like Peggy, he might have a type, y'know? But someone who looks like her, same job, same family. That's someone like Peggy physically, intellectually and socially. He obviously wants to replace Peggy.

TFA could do a slow build relationship because it was about WWII... it had a lot of spread out things, and very slow travel. Cap 2 won't be like that, I'd be very surprised if it took place over more than a couple days, like every other action movie set in modern days.

[cherokeesam]

All this nonsense about Peggy and Sharon Carter is easily solved. You just simply stay with the Marvel story line that has worked for almost a half of a century. Cap and Sharon meet and they fall in love. Sharon IS in fact related to Peggy but that all gets worked out between them. Sharon becomes a force in her own right and they make a great team. The plot lines started by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby worked just fine and the relationship between Cap and Sharon continues into the current era under the brilliant guidance of Ed Brubaker. Don't mess with Marvels successful formula in regards to Cap, Sharon and Peggy. Just adhere to the story as it already exists and forget about making any changes or tweaks! It's been working for the Cap story line since 1966.

Exactly, my good man.
Why this is even being discussed is beyond me....it's like trying to find someone besides Lois Lane for Clark Kent, or Mary Jane Watson for Peter Parker, or Betty Ross for Bruce Banner, or Jane Foster for Thor. It's one of the most iconic comic book couples of the last 50 years, and people would rather scrap all that for....who, frickin' Bernie Rosenthal...?!?!?!

Action movie relationships don't develop over time. They happen real quick. It's not a rom com.

Yup...it's not going to "evolve" over several films.












I understand what you're saying, and that sounds very nice. What I'm saying is that you can't communicate that in a film. All people will see is Steve getting with someone who is just like Peggy. There's no way to show the reason he likes the woman who is just like his ex has nothing to do with his ex. Also, even if you could show it, it's disingenuous. Sharon exists to be like Peggy. Did you think they came up with a new love interest for Cap and the writers, of all the infinite characters they could have created, just happened to make her just like Peggy but younger? Just happened to make the related?






No, the writers created Sharon Carter to be Steve Rogers' love interest in the Silver Age 60s, period. Stan didn't give a damn about Peggy Carter....she was a bit player from the 40s series, and *not* a major love interest for Golden Age Cap....the movie exaggerated that. When Stan reinvented Cap in the 60s, he created Sharon as the love interest, and *later* reintroduced Peggy into Steve's life. Again, back then, Cap had only been frozen for 20 years, so Peggy was still very much alive and lively and in her 40s, so the dynamic there is ENTIRELY different than when Cap's been frozen for SEVENTY years.

[BullMcGiveny]

No, the writers created Sharon Carter to be Steve Rogers' love interest in the Silver Age 60s, period. Stan didn't give a damn about Peggy Carter....she was a bit player from the 40s series, and *not* a major love interest for Golden Age Cap....the movie exaggerated that. When Stan reinvented Cap in the 60s, he created Sharon as the love interest, and *later* reintroduced Peggy into Steve's life. Again, back then, Cap had only been frozen for 20 years, so Peggy was still very much alive and lively and in her 40s, so the dynamic there is ENTIRELY different than when Cap's been frozen for SEVENTY years.
Not quite.

Sharon isn't a replacement for Peggy because Peggy never existed individually from Sharon.

Peggy first appeared two months after Sharon. Her next appearance wasn't until years later, in an arc that revealed she was Sharon's older sister.

[DrCosmic]

Not quite.

Sharon isn't a replacement for Peggy because Peggy never existed individually from Sharon.

Peggy first appeared two months after Sharon. Her next appearance wasn't until years later, in an arc that revealed she was Sharon's older sister.

Really? Interesting. That does shed some light on the issue.

All this nonsense about Peggy and Sharon Carter is easily solved. You just simply stay with the Marvel story line that has worked for almost a half of a century. Cap and Sharon meet and they fall in love. Sharon IS in fact related to Peggy but that all gets worked out between them. Sharon becomes a force in her own right and they make a great team. The plot lines started by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby worked just fine and the relationship between Cap and Sharon continues into the current era under the brilliant guidance of Ed Brubaker. Don't mess with Marvels successful formula in regards to Cap, Sharon and Peggy. Just adhere to the story as it already exists and forget about making any changes or tweaks! It's been working for the Cap story line since 1966.

The formula is already completely messed with. In the MCU, Peggy came first, Peggy is the girl that he misses when he wakes up in present day - he is not over her. The plot lines you refer to had an entirely different context, and worked in that context, but don't in this context.

Yup...it's not going to "evolve" over several films.

It may indeed evolve, but the point of including Sharon Carter is for Cap to have a love interest... they're not going to put her in a film if she's not a love interest in that film. So the relationship isn't going to materialize slowly over time... it may indeed evolve after that into a deeper stronger relationship. This is what I was getting at earlier... if they're going to be just friends, then who will be the love interest in the second film, exactly?

No, the writers created Sharon Carter to be Steve Rogers' love interest in the Silver Age 60s, period. Stan didn't give a damn about Peggy Carter....she was a bit player from the 40s series, and *not* a major love interest for Golden Age Cap....the movie exaggerated that. When Stan reinvented Cap in the 60s, he created Sharon as the love interest, and *later* reintroduced Peggy into Steve's life. Again, back then, Cap had only been frozen for 20 years, so Peggy was still very much alive and lively and in her 40s, so the dynamic there is ENTIRELY different than when Cap's been frozen for SEVENTY years.

I see, so in the comics, the audience hadn't already been attached to Peggy and shown that Cap cares for her deeply and isn't over her when he wakes up, or when he joins the Avengers. I was uninformed. Now that I know though, it makes it clear to me why the comics storyline doesn't vibe with the movie storyline. Totally different context. Totally different audience expectation. Stan may not have given a damn about Peggy, but Steve, and the audience, very much does.

Here's what I'm getting at, all in all. Sharon is just like Peggy, a character that is very important to Steve's arc, even if she's dead, so Sharon, whether you want her to or not, represents Peggy. Now, steve is a man out of time, who is supposed to learn to let go of the old days... but how can he do that if he's still has 'a' Peggy? The more natural resonant and powerful storyline would be to let 'Peggy' go and do something that honors the past, but isn't trying to reproduce it. That's something all 70 year olds have to deal with, and all humans who have gone through loss, really. It's a more resonant honest and less contrived storyline than "Well, it was like this in the comics for a while, so it must be this way now!" or "I just happened to fall for a girl just like and related to my ex that knows me through my ex... I just happen to be around a hot girl just like and related to my ex that came to me cuz my ex told her about me, but it's a coincidence, and we're just friends."

[spideymouse]

Whichever love interest Cap has in this movie, she's going to be a modern-day, 21st century girl who is going to have an incredibly different background, value system, and worldview than Cap's, and that's going to be very exciting and freshly different from Peggy Carter. I am excited to see how she and Steve play off of each other, challenge each other, fight with each other, and ultimately fall for each other in spite of their differences. Peggy was Steve's first love, his first crush, even "the right partner" for the 1940s, but this girl is going to be a completely different "right partner" for Cap in 2014, so I'm not worried if turns out to be Sharon Carter.

[BullMcGiveny]

It may indeed evolve, but the point of including Sharon Carter is for Cap to have a love interest... they're not going to put her in a film if she's not a love interest in that film. So the relationship isn't going to materialize slowly over time... it may indeed evolve after that into a deeper stronger relationship. This is what I was getting at earlier... if they're going to be just friends, then who will be the love interest in the second film, exactly?

No one?

Pepper Potts wasn't a love interest in Iron Man 1. That relationship evolved over time.

Having a love interest is far less pressing than having a female presence.

[herolee10]

No one?

Pepper Potts wasn't a love interest in Iron Man 1. That relationship evolved over time.

Having a love interest is far less pressing than having a female presence.

idk about that; I could argue that while they didn't share a kiss in the theatrical cut (apparently they did in one alternate take but that never made it's way to the final print), her intimacy with Tony was developed in the way that most standard love interests are in any film. Just because they didn't officially hook up in the first film, doesn't mean that they weren't "love interests" to each other.

Plus, they eventually did get together in the second film and some here have been saying that they'd prefer it where Sharon and Steve only make it official AFTER CA2.

[BullMcGiveny]

Plus, they eventually did get together in the second film and some here have been saying that they'd prefer it where Sharon and Steve only make it official AFTER CA2.
... The difference being?

[herolee10]

... The difference being?

The difference being that CA 2 wouldn't "rush" into getting Steve and Sharon hooked up with each other romantically like "Thor" did with Thor and Jane Foster.

I was just bringing this up in response as to how you said that Pepper wasn't viewed as a LI for IM1, but she did get together with Tony eventually in IM2, what I'm saying is that people here wouldn't mind if the creators did the same thing where they waited a film before getting Sharon and Steve into full blown romantic territory.

[BullMcGiveny]

The difference being that CA 2 wouldn't "rush" into getting Steve and Sharon hooked up with each other romantically like "Thor" did with Thor and Jane Foster.

I was just bringing this up in response as to how you said that Pepper wasn't viewed as a LI for IM1, but she did get together with Tony eventually in IM2, what I'm saying is that people here wouldn't mind if the creators did the same thing where they waited a film before getting Sharon and Steve into full blown romantic territory.
My mistake. And I agree.

[FVD]

I don't see anything sickening about Steve having a romantic interest in Sharon Carter. Make it so!!!! Oh and I do think Abbie Cornish would make an amazing Carol Danvers too.

[KangConquers]

Wait, I'm confused...why in the hell is Wasp listed?

[BullMcGiveny]

Wait, I'm confused...why in the hell is Wasp listed?
She was Ultimate Captain America's love interest.

[DrCosmic]

No one?

Pepper Potts wasn't a love interest in Iron Man 1. That relationship evolved over time.

Having a love interest is far less pressing than having a female presence.

...I see what you're saying, and while Pepper was indeed a love interest, even if it was cleverly unfulfilled, I do see now how Sharon could work in a similar fashion. With secondary love interests I think that has a chance of working, where it can be illustrated that he's worked out that particular issue. Not really a fan, but sure, why not. They key is, on top of all these things, introducing her in a way that distances her from Peggy, imho, in looks, personality, even her specific job... make her relation to Peggy, and Cap fanship a twist that Cap is not aware of. Could be kinda cool, depending on how they run it.

[cherokeesam]

...I see what you're saying, and while Pepper was indeed a love interest, even if it was cleverly unfulfilled, I do see now how Sharon could work in a similar fashion. With secondary love interests I think that has a chance of working, where it can be illustrated that he's worked out that particular issue. Not really a fan, but sure, why not. They key is, on top of all these things, introducing her in a way that distances her from Peggy, imho, in looks, personality, even her specific job... make her relation to Peggy, and Cap fanship a twist that Cap is not aware of. Could be kinda cool, depending on how they run it.

Why would Cap not be aware of Sharon's true identity/ancestry? Again, the most *likely* scenario in the MCU would be that Sharon would seek out Cap first, not the other way around. She'd do it because his and Peggy's legacy are the reason she got into spycraft and SHIELD in the first place. Making Sharon the one who initiates the contact makes it even *less* "ick" ---- which it never was in the first place, but here's yet another nail in that coffin.

[DrCosmic]

Cap may not have asked, and she may not have told. Heck, most people don't know about their grandparent's love affairs, why would Sharon? That's much more natural than a new girl coming up saying how awesome she thinks he is. Makes for a better story (adds tension, mystery, puts more focus on their relationship than the set up for an inevitable relationship) than the obvious matchmaking that you're talking about. As long as their relationship is based on her relationship to Peggy, it's contrived. As long as she is a wannabe Peggy (Peggy legacy), that's all she'll be - a wannabe Peggy. And it won't be believable for Steve to see her as anything more. She needs to be her own character, with her own motivations for dealing with Cap, getting in SHIELD, and a different take on Spycraft. Then she's not a replacement Peggy, and you can tell a story about Steve moving on from Peggy because he doesn't "move on" to Peggy 2.0.

I know the idea of some girl coming along who adores Steve and is basically meant for him sounds romantic, but without significant barriers, it's just bad. I mean, if the set up is as you suggest, an attractive SHIED agent comes to him, tells him how much she admires him, she's been assigned to him and that she basically wants to be just like him and Peggy... what possible reason could Steve have for not getting romantic with her immediately? What possible reason would she have for not getting with Steve immediately? Are they not attracted to each other? Do she not believe in fraternization (obviously not true for Steve)? Is the movie badly paced and written so they never have time to interact? Why should the audience care about a relationship that is so painfully obviously and contrivedly set up?

Again, the most *likely* scenario in the MCU would be that Sharon would seek out Cap first, not the other way around.

This boggles my mind a bit. What are you basing likelihood on? Are you assuming that the MCU exists as you envision it? That Sharon already (or likely) exists exactly the way you would create her? Thus, since she exists with the motivations and history you imagine, she would do X most likely? Is that where you are?

[cherokeesam]

Cap may not have asked, and she may not have told. Heck, most people don't know about their grandparent's love affairs, why would Sharon? That's much more natural than a new girl coming up saying how awesome she thinks he is. Makes for a better story (adds tension, mystery, puts more focus on their relationship than the set up for an inevitable relationship) than the obvious matchmaking that you're talking about. As long as their relationship is based on her relationship to Peggy, it's contrived. As long as she is a wannabe Peggy (Peggy legacy), that's all she'll be - a wannabe Peggy. And it won't be believable for Steve to see her as anything more. She needs to be her own character, with her own motivations for dealing with Cap, getting in SHIELD, and a different take on Spycraft. Then she's not a replacement Peggy, and you can tell a story about Steve moving on from Peggy because he doesn't "move on" to Peggy 2.0.

I know the idea of some girl coming along who adores Steve and is basically meant for him sounds romantic, but without significant barriers, it's just bad. I mean, if the set up is as you suggest, an attractive SHIED agent comes to him, tells him how much she admires him, she's been assigned to him and that she basically wants to be just like him and Peggy... what possible reason could Steve have for not getting romantic with her immediately? What possible reason would she have for not getting with Steve immediately? Are they not attracted to each other? Do she not believe in fraternization (obviously not true for Steve)? Is the movie badly paced and written so they never have time to interact? Why should the audience care about a relationship that is so painfully obviously and contrivedly set up?



This boggles my mind a bit. What are you basing likelihood on? Are you assuming that the MCU exists as you envision it? That Sharon already (or likely) exists exactly the way you would create her? Thus, since she exists with the motivations and history you imagine, she would do X most likely? Is that where you are?

No, Doc....I'm right where the *comics* are. :whatever: That's the way the story was told in the comics, and I've never heard ONE person in the last 30+ years I've been collecting comics say *anything* against the Cap-Sharon relationship. But *you* come in here and find fault with it, and find it hard to grasp, and icky, so obviously we need to throw all that canon out the window and start over from scratch just to satisfy your concept.

...That about cover it?

[DrCosmic]

No, Doc....I'm right where the *comics* are. :whatever: That's the way the story was told in the comics, and I've never heard ONE person in the last 30+ years I've been collecting comics say *anything* against the Cap-Sharon relationship. But *you* come in here and find fault with it, and find it hard to grasp, and icky, so obviously we need to throw all that canon out the window and start over from scratch just to satisfy your concept.

...That about cover it?

If you ignore the part about Peggy being entrenched in the minds of the GA and MCU Steve Rogers thus dramatically changing the reception of the Sharon character, that we covered on this page, as well as the issue being the emotional credibility of the relationship, and not generic ickiness or complicatedness, which we covered on the previous page, and ignore the others who pointed out similar issues on the page before, if you ignore the adaptation you quoted and just summarize it as "not exactly the same"="starting from scratch"... basically, if you ignore the entire conversation and use the comics, and the opinions of fanboys (who generally have little interest in the Sharon character anyway) as the golden standard, then yes, you have covered everything. Clearly I made the mistake of doing silly things like making points and counterpoints in this discussion. :dry:

[KangConquers]

I'd rather see the whole entire MCU end than see Wasp as Cap's love interest.

616 Cap Am has several love interests that I'd want to see before that, including Sharon Carter, Diamondback, and Bernie Rosenthal. There's no reason to bring in that bastardized Ultimate canon.

[TheVileOne]

In Ultimate Avengers 2 he hooked up with Black Widow.

[KangConquers]

In Ultimate Avengers 2 he hooked up with Black Widow.

I believe Cap and Black Widow toyed with the idea of romance in the early-mid 90s for a brief time. I know Cap also had a fling with Scarlet Witch.

[BullMcGiveny]

I believe Cap and Black Widow toyed with the idea of romance in the early-mid 90s for a brief time. I know Cap also had a fling with Scarlet Witch.
I think that was one-sided, and possibly in only one issue. Cap was sleeping in a chair, and Natasha oogled him contemplatively and had an inner monologue about him before deciding that nothing good could come of it.

[marcvader]

I think most of the main characters in the MU have had flings with one another at some point.

[BullMcGiveny]

Well, that depends on what a fling is, certainly. With Natasha and Steve (and possibly a lot of women and Steve) it was a brief crush, unless there's something I'm missing.

[DrCosmic]

I'd be fine with Cap and Widow in the MCU. Of course, with Whedon around that means one of them would have to die. :(

[The Caped Knight]

Who do you think the love interest of Captain American should/will be?

Sharon Carter as in the 616 universe

Janet van Dyne (Wasp) like in some of the Ultimate Universe

or who?

Sharon Carter

[Avenger]

Definitely Sharon Carter.

[CaptainCanada]

Like I said in the other thread, I see no realistic prospect it's anyone other than Sharon. The mere fact that the first movie used Peggy indicates that, since Peggy only exists in the comics as a lead-in to Sharon, and the heavily revamped version of Peggy that the first movie used is a better match for a couple of Steve's other love interests otherwise.

On top of that, the people making the movies talk up Ed Brubaker's comics endlessly, and the second movie is based on the "Winter Soldier" story that Brubaker wrote, and Sharon is heavily featured in Brubaker's comics.

[cherokeesam]

Like I said in the other thread, I see no realistic prospect it's anyone other than Sharon. The mere fact that the first movie used Peggy indicates that, since Peggy only exists in the comics as a lead-in to Sharon, and the heavily revamped version of Peggy that the first movie used is a better match for a couple of Steve's other love interests otherwise.

On top of that, the people making the movies talk up Ed Brubaker's comics endlessly, and the second movie is based on the "Winter Soldier" story that Brubaker wrote, and Sharon is heavily featured in Brubaker's comics.

Yeah, the handful of people in this thread who are anti-Sharon are (thankfully) a very small minority, even indicated in the poll results. The podcast that leaked all the MCU info earlier this month (so far, pretty accurately) confirmed Sharon Carter, too.

There's absolutely no reason to think an integral character to Cap's modern story arc (i.e., Sharon Carter and Falcon) would be left out. Especially Cap's version of Lois Lane/ Jane Foster/ Betty Ross.

[scifiwolf]

I've been thinking about it, and I think Natasha and Sharon for CA2. With the revelation of the title, I'm all in on Natasha playing a significant role in the movie. I think it'd be too soon for Steve to come out of his thing with Peggy and go into something with Sharon in only one movie. No matter what goes on, there's a creepy factor there that has to be overcome. Having Natasha around provides room to build off their interaction in The Avengers, and give a potential triangle dynamic with Bucky. My thought is that Bucky's been active since before the events of the movies, and Natasha already has some history with him.

Ultimately, I'd say have Steve not look at Sharon romantically, but it be obvious they have something. I'd say let the relationship with him and Natasha develop. Obviously, it's just not meant to be, and it doesn't ever go beyond a lot of tension and maybe even a kiss or two. I'd like to see his affection for Sharon continue to build through Avengers 2 and become a full-blown romance in CA3.

[BoredGuy]

The only Cap Black Widow should be with is Bucky-Cap!!

[Majik1387]

The only Cap Black Widow should be with is Bucky-Cap!!
Reading this kind of makes me want to see Bucky-Cap as the reason Black Widow and Hawkeye were in Budapest.

[LauraT]

I've been thinking about it, and I think Natasha and Sharon for CA2. With the revelation of the title, I'm all in on Natasha playing a significant role in the movie.

I agree, I hope both are in the movie, especially as we now know about WS and SHIELD are supposed to be quite heavily involved.

[BoredGuy]

Reading this kind of makes me want to see Bucky-Cap as the reason Black Widow and Hawkeye were in Budapest.

^I would support this :up:

[marcvader]

Bucky-Cap?!! NEVER!!!:argh:

[Webfoot Hero]

Reading this kind of makes me want to see Bucky-Cap as the reason Black Widow and Hawkeye were in Budapest.
I kind of suggested this earlier about the Budapest incident with Hawkeye and BW. Maybe bring in one or the other and make it be that the incident in Budapest somehow involved WS.

[Majik1387]

I kind of suggested this earlier about the Budapest incident with Hawkeye and BW. Maybe bring in one or the other and make it be that the incident in Budapest somehow involved WS.
Sounds good to me.

Hear this Marvel Studios? We already got part of the plot for your reference. :oldrazz:

[herolee10]

I believe Cap and Black Widow toyed with the idea of romance in the early-mid 90s for a brief time. I know Cap also had a fling with Scarlet Witch.

Well, that depends on what a fling is, certainly. With Natasha and Steve (and possibly a lot of women and Steve) it was a brief crush, unless there's something I'm missing.

I'd be fine with Cap and Widow in the MCU. Of course, with Whedon around that means one of them would have to die. :(

The fun thing about this is that if people are interested on what a on screen pairing between CA and BW would look like visually...here's only a small example of it.lol

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2007_The_Nanny_Diaries/2007_the_nanny_diaries_013.jpg

http://www.virtual-history.com/movie/photo/pr01/large/01949.jpg

Ironic on how that story takes place in New York as well.lol

[cherokeesam]

Reading this kind of makes me want to see Bucky-Cap as the reason Black Widow and Hawkeye were in Budapest.

Waitaminnit....are you suggesting Bucky would've donned the Cap uniform sometime pre-Capsicle Thaw.....? Doesn't make any sense....as far as the world (including Bucky, including Fury, including EVERYBODY) knew, Captain America died in 1945. It was a sheer accident that SHIELD discovered his body in the ice in 2010.

So how could Bucky have been Cap any time prior to 2010? Without the shield and uniform and all. And why would Bucky have even donned it? He's been mindwiped, and remembers nothing about Cap.

[Majik1387]

Waitaminnit....are you suggesting Bucky would've donned the Cap uniform sometime pre-Capsicle Thaw.....? Doesn't make any sense....as far as the world (including Bucky, including Fury, including EVERYBODY) knew, Captain America died in 1945. It was a sheer accident that SHIELD discovered his body in the ice in 2010.

So how could Bucky have been Cap any time prior to 2010? Without the shield and uniform and all. And why would Bucky have even donned it? He's been mindwiped, and remembers nothing about Cap.
I didn't say anyhing about Bucky being Cap before Steve, and I also didn't mention any timeframe.
Maybe Bucky was found in Moscow before Cap was found and became Winter Soldier, had a mission as WS in Budapest where Black Widow and Hawkeye got on assignment. I leave the full on story details for the script writers. :o

[BullMcGiveny]

So I've been watching Community, trying to muster some enthusiasm about the Russos and you know what? Allison Brie could pull off Bernie.

[Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.]

http://www.therpf.com/gallery/data/533/medium/the-avengers-agent-hill-01.jpg

[metaphysician]

http://www.therpf.com/gallery/data/533/medium/the-avengers-agent-hill-01.jpg

No, definitely not. Sharon, Diamondback, or bust.

[marcvader]

Or Bernie

[cherokeesam]

Or Bernie

Man, forget Bernie. Just say no, Steve.

[Chewy]

Or Tony

[Suzanne78]

Or Tony

I am offended that he wasn't even a named option. HARRRUMPH! :word:

Calling it now - love triangle time: Falcon/Steve/Bucky.

[marcvader]

The jilted sidekick angle. I see it.

[Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.]

Or Tony
Already in a relationship with Bruce.

[Majik1387]

They can share.

[Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.]

Cap wouldn't stand for a love triangle if Bruce and Tony are fondue-ing.

[Suzanne78]

Word. You all saw how jealous Cap got when Tony tried to flirt the Hulk out of Bruce! Took away too much attention from Tony ogling Cap's fancy suit.

I'd be more than up for Steve/Tony/Bruce shenanigans.

:cap: :im: :bh: 4EVAH!!

[OccamsTaser]

The fun thing about this is that if people are interested on what a on screen pairing between CA and BW would look like visually...here's only a small example of it.lol

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2007_The_Nanny_Diaries/2007_the_nanny_diaries_013.jpg

http://www.virtual-history.com/movie/photo/pr01/large/01949.jpg

Ironic on how that story takes place in New York as well.lol


And even better, this happens...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50q8s04R81qb63fco1_250.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50q8s04R81qb63fco2_250.gif

[T"Challa]

And even better, this happens...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50q8s04R81qb63fco1_250.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50q8s04R81qb63fco2_250.gif

hahahahah..thats awesome

[Spider-Vader]

It has to be Sharon, I can't really see anyone else being the love interest.

What's with the Wasp option? Hank is Jan's man, not Steve.

[herolee10]

And even better, this happens...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50q8s04R81qb63fco1_250.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50q8s04R81qb63fco2_250.gif

hahahahah..thats awesome

It was a foreshadow of what was to come for Chris.haha

[marcvader]

And even better, this happens...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50q8s04R81qb63fco1_250.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50q8s04R81qb63fco2_250.gif

Just so happens this was on yesterday on the Lifetime channel.

[peterparker0077]

I'm still all for Amanda Righetti as Sharon as well.

[MarvelKnight]

I'm still all for Amanda Righetti as Sharon as well.

:up:

[DarthMuppet]

I'm still all for Amanda Righetti as Sharon as well.

Same here.

[AndrewGilkison]

Yeah, the handful of people in this thread who are anti-Sharon are (thankfully) a very small minority, even indicated in the poll results. The podcast that leaked all the MCU info earlier this month (so far, pretty accurately) confirmed Sharon Carter, too.

There's absolutely no reason to think an integral character to Cap's modern story arc (i.e., Sharon Carter and Falcon) would be left out. Especially Cap's version of Lois Lane/ Jane Foster/ Betty Ross.

Link? First time I've heard of this.

[Changeling]

Ill be pissed if Wasp is with anyone other than Hank Pym, Sharon Carter seems like the way to go, I mean theyve already set her up with Peggy in TFA. Don't recast Atwell though it wouldnt make sense for them to have the EXACT same face. I like the idea of Righetti for Sharon

[Changeling]

Link? First time I've heard of this.

Id also like to see this other info from the podcast, I remember reading about that a while ago but forgot exactly what was said in the podcast.. a transcript would be amazing :yay:

[BullMcGiveny]

It has to be Sharon, I can't really see anyone else being the love interest.

What's with the Wasp option? Hank is Jan's man, not Steve.
The wasp dated Steve in the Ultimates.

[BullMcGiveny]

Id also like to see this other info from the podcast, I remember reading about that a while ago but forgot exactly what was said in the podcast.. a transcript would be amazing :yay:
That podcast was pretty dubious. It didn't mention Falcon, and said it would explore Fury and Ross' backstory. I took it with a hockey puch of salt.

The thing it got right was Bucky as Winter Soldier, which has been hinted at before, so not really

[Suzanne78]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned Jennifer Morrison as a possible Sharon Carter. She's been quietly impressing me in her movie work (WARRIOR, her brief appearance in ST2009) and I love her on Once Upon a Time for a more kick-ass lead role.

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/jennifer-morrison.jpg

I am not terribly impressed with Righetti at the moment. If she's cast, I'll give her a chance.

[Majik1387]

Big bleh to Morrison.

[Suzanne78]

Big bleh to Morrison.

That's how I feel about Righetti right now. :cwink:

I was meh on Morrison after House. But she's been on fire recently in her latest roles.

[Chewy]

Julia Stiles

[Jake Cassidy]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned Jennifer Morrison as a possible Sharon Carter. She's been quietly impressing me in her movie work (WARRIOR, her brief appearance in ST2009) and I love her on Once Upon a Time for a more kick-ass lead role.

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/jennifer-morrison.jpg




:up:

:hrt:

[Webfoot Hero]

That's how I feel about Righetti right now. :cwink:

I was meh on Morrison after House. But she's been on fire recently in her latest roles.
Highly doubt she could get in the movie due to her schedule Once Upon A Time, similar to how Joshua Dallas had to drop out of Thor 2.

[BullMcGiveny]

That's how I feel about Righetti right now. :cwink:

I was meh on Morrison after House. But she's been on fire recently in her latest roles.
Me too. I mean she's very pretty, but its weird how everyone jumped on the thought that she's Sharon despite it not making sense.

[Webfoot Hero]

Me too. I mean she's very pretty, but its weird how everyone jumped on the thought that she's Sharon despite it not making sense.
I think it was sort of hopeful thinking they'd put Sharon in the first movie and Amanda Righetti's red hair made her slightly resemble Hayley Atwell's look.

[BlackFox]

In the Avengers when Cobie Smulder's character Maria Hill first claps eye's on Cap' you can see her instantly fall in love with him, watch it again if you don't believe me.

I'm telling you now Maria Hill :hrt: Captain America:cap:

[BullMcGiveny]

In the Avengers when Cobie Smulder's character Maria Hill first claps eye's on Cap' you can see her instantly fall in love with him, watch it again if you don't believe me.

I'm telling you now Maria Hill :hrt: Captain America:cap:
It looked more like she was sizing him up and looking annoyed to me.

[BlackFox]

It looked more like she was sizing him up and looking annoyed to me.

No she was in awe of his humble nature and commitment to the cause at all costs. What women wouldn't want a soldier that has been frozen since a time when men had more respect towards others and was slightly disturbed by the new world created.

If I was a betting man these two will get it on in either Cap2 or Avengers 2:up:

[cherokeesam]

No she was in awe of his humble nature and commitment to the cause at all costs. What women wouldn't want a soldier that has been frozen since a time when men had more respect towards others and was slightly disturbed by the new world created.

If I was a betting man these two will get it on in either Cap2 or Avengers 2:up:

That would be very strange to anyone who's read Civil War. Maria Hill is the sworn enemy of Cap there, and is a dedicated Tony Stark loyalist.

[Jake Cassidy]

Steve and Natasha would be more likely than Steve and Maria.

[herolee10]

That would be very strange to anyone who's read Civil War. Maria Hill is the sworn enemy of Cap there, and is a dedicated Tony Stark loyalist.

Steve and Natasha would be more likely than Steve and Maria.

Agreed; and if I'm not mistaken, Maria Hill is actually known to have had a romantic relationship with Stark I believe in the comics as well, and he was the only Avenger in the actual film that had exchanged direct dialogue with her.

I'd rather keep Natasha with Hawkeye since they seem to have potential, and allow Steve to develop something with Sharon instead.

[BlackFox]

That would be very strange to anyone who's read Civil War. Maria Hill is the sworn enemy of Cap there, and is a dedicated Tony Stark loyalist.

Maybe, but then there's no hint of Civil War storyling in this Avengers, yet....

And even if there were it would make it more intersting, like Romeo and Julilet on alternate side's but star crossed lovers in secret.

To be honest I just want to see Cap happy, he lost his last bird and deserves some happyness he must feel so lonely in the new world.

[BlackFox]

Agreed; and if I'm not mistaken, Maria Hill is actually known to have had a romantic relationship with Stark I believe in the comics as well, and he was the only Avenger in the actual film that had exchanged direct dialogue with her.

I'd rather keep Natasha with Hawkeye since they seem to have potential, and allow Steve to develop something with Sharon instead.

Or parhaps a love triangle, that would cause some tension in the group, add a new layer to it, interesting.

[cherokeesam]

Maybe, but then there's no hint of Civil War storyling in this Avengers, yet....

And even if there were it would make it more intersting, like Romeo and Julilet on alternate side's but star crossed lovers in secret.

To be honest I just want to see Cap happy, he lost his last bird and deserves some happyness he must feel so lonely in the new world.

Understandable, and yes, Steve needs a main squeeze in the modern world. But everything we've seen so far shows that Kevin Feige is very much conscious of keeping as close to canon as possible with the movie characters, so we have every reason to believe that Sharon Carter will make her debut in CA:TWS. (Well, technically, Amanda Righetti *might* have played her in the ending modern world scene of CA:TFA, but she's only listed as "SHIELD Agent" in the credits. Fanboys like to speculate that was Sharon Carter, due to a PA announcement over the speaker that may or may not have been addressed to Righetti's character, calling for a "Code 13" when Steve figured out he was being deceived.)

[herolee10]

Or parhaps a love triangle, that would cause some tension in the group, add a new layer to it, interesting.

Given BW's history with relationships in the comics, they (Marvel Studios) have plenty of potential triangles to choose from.lol Natasha has been romantically involved with almost every male character that's alive in the MCU in the comics:

1. Tony
2. Steve
3. Bucky
4. Clint

Plus, they had interesting interactions created for BW and Bruce.

Heck, Thor is really the only hero that she's never had any type of romance with in the comics, and doesn't seem like it'll be the case in the MCU either.lol

[marcvader]

What a whore.

[cherokeesam]

Given BW's history with relationships in the comics, they (Marvel Studios) have plenty of potential triangles to choose from.lol Natasha has been romantically involved with almost every male character that's alive in the MCU in the comics:

1. Tony
2. Steve
3. Bucky
4. Clint

Plus, they had interesting interactions created for BW and Bruce.

Heck, Thor is really the only hero that she's never had any type of romance with in the comics, and doesn't seem like it'll be the case in the MCU either.lol

If the Daredevil movie rights revert back to Marvel Studios in October, as this deadline fast approaches, you might as well add Matt to your list.

[BullMcGiveny]

Given BW's history with relationships in the comics, they (Marvel Studios) have plenty of potential triangles to choose from.lol Natasha has been romantically involved with almost every male character that's alive in the MCU in the comics:

1. Tony
2. Steve
3. Bucky
4. Clint

Plus, they had interesting interactions created for BW and Bruce.

Heck, Thor is really the only hero that she's never had any type of romance with in the comics, and doesn't seem like it'll be the case in the MCU either.lol
Black Widow was never involved with Cap.

[Vartha]

Black Widow was never involved with Cap.

Afraid he was. In one of the stories I think animated has them involved. I remember seeing it.

I know the beginnings of something happened in the Ulmates movies :doh: , not sure about the books tho.

[Vartha]

What a whore.heh Like She Hulk for awhile hahaha.
Actually BW is supposed to have been a "bad Girl" in the first place right? So what's the problem if Natasha is finding it hard to get out of that "SPY" thing?
I like the idea of Widow having that issue tho. Being physically great yet still damaged by her spy days mentally.

[BullMcGiveny]

Afraid he was. In one of the stories I think animated has them involved. I remember seeing it.

I know the beginnings of something happened in the Ulmates movies :doh: , not sure about the books tho.
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd comment that as "in the comics".

[Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.]

In the Avengers when Cobie Smulder's character Maria Hill first claps eye's on Cap' you can see her instantly fall in love with him, watch it again if you don't believe me.

I'm telling you now Maria Hill :hrt: Captain America:cap:
Yeah, she definitely eye-humped him for a good five seconds there.

[BlackFox]

Yeah, she definitely eye-humped him for a good five seconds there.

She most certainly did, dirty girl:cwink:

[OccamsTaser]

I just saw this:

Marvel added Anthony Mackie to its superhero sequel “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” last month, and sources say the studio’s now focusing on casting the film’s female lead. Hollywood insiders tell us that current front-runners for the coveted role include “The Twilight Saga” star Anna Kendrick, as well as Felicity Jones, who reportedly lost out to Keira Knightley for the lead in Paramount’s untitled Jack Ryan reboot. Imogen Poots, who’s filming Terrence Malick’s “Knight of Cups,” is also in the running, we’re told. Joe and Anthony Russo are directing the “Captain America” sequel, and have hinted they’ll go with a “darker, edgier” tone for the film, which isn’t scheduled to hit theaters till 2014. Chris Evans is returning as the Captain, while Sebastian Stan is coming back as character Bucky Barnes from the first movie — but he’ll reportedly turn into a villain for “Winter Soldier.” Last year, “Captain America: The First Avenger” raked in $368 million worldwide before Evans took his character to Marvel’s even bigger “The Avengers.”
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/captain_crunch_for_cast_OMUkTkb0giJZZyqm9NW94L#ixz z241B0sOUQ

[Majik1387]

Awesome short list. Here's hoping for Felicity Jones(although she's one of my choices for Mary Jane in ASM series).

[OccamsTaser]

Out of those three, Felicity Jones probably looks most like she could be related to Hayley Atwell.

[kaijunexus]

I'm actually rooting for Anna Kendrick.

I think she's fairly talented. Also, she has this innocence about her...and yet, I can totally seeing her going surprisingly badass at a moment's notice...

http://www.empiremovies.com/_word_press/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/anna-kendrick.jpg

[Majik1387]

I was hoping for Kendrick to possibly play Raven in Teen Titans. I don't really see her as Sharon Carter(come on, we all know she's the female lead).

[JB-the-Hunter]

Imogen poots!!!!

[MarvelKnight]

Out of the three that are rumored I just hope it isn't Kendrick... Not that I dislike her; just don't think she fits Sharon Carter.

[BullMcGiveny]

I honestly don't think any of them are. Really. Maybe Poots, if she was older. But at this point I've come to doubt it being Sharon, or if someone else might also be in the lead. Hayley Atwell was a late entrant into the running for Peggy, IIRC.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I'm sorry, I don't give a crap about whether or not she's right for the role but this girl needs to be in this movie:
http://i2.listal.com/image/735929/600full-imogen-poots.jpg
http://content8.flixster.com/photo/11/62/61/11626170_gal.jpg
http://ninafilmworlddotcom1.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/tumblr_l0x4y5ssjh1qaj8iro1_5001.jpg

[MarvelKnight]

I can see her getting a role in a CBM of some kind; I wouldn't mind her turning out to be Carter.

[Majik1387]

She's awesome, that's all you need to know. :cwink:

[JB-the-Hunter]

Wasn't she up for Gwen Stacey?

[Majik1387]

She was, she was one of the few good choices. :up:

[Carlo Comicus]

Felicity Jones is an awesome actress.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I was watching this anyway, but if Imogen Poots is in this you can guarantee me seeing this movie twice, cant believe she is the little girl out of 28 Weeks Later, she has grown up to be unbelievably stunning!

[Majik1387]

She was great in the Fright Night remake as well. :up:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^True, I only saw it last night but she was great and hot as hell.

[cherokeesam]

Wikipedia is, of course, a highly reliable source of information and is never, ever wrong (*koff koff koff*....'scuse me), so we can all rest assured that it's 100% right when it (currently) lists Imogen Poots for Sharon Carter in CATWS. :o


Large, large, large grains of salt and all that; but I'm inclined to believe that Imogen makes the most sense of the three on the short list. I'm thinking they'll keep her British identity, too, like her aunt/great aunt/ great-great aunt.

Evans as Cap; Mackie as Falcon; Imogen as Sharon; Stan as Bucky. I'm already starting to like the way that looks. :yay:

[DarthMuppet]

I was rooting for Amanda Righetti to come back and have her character be Sharon, but Anna Kendrick as Sharon Carter would be an extremely inspired but of casting! She's talented as hell, drop dead gorgeous(but not in an overly sexual way), and would bring a really interesting element to the character!

[chamber-music]

Imogen Poots she is currently starring with Christian Bale in the new Terrence Malick movie and she played Young Valerie in V for Vendetta.

Poots was great as Micheal Fassbenders love intrest in Centurion as well.

[Silvermoth]

Poots was awesome in 28 Weeks Later and Miss Austen regrets. Kendrick is the actress I'm hoping plays Wasp if they decide to use her. Aren't all these actresses a bit young though?

Oh my god.

Imagine if they were casting Sin! :wow:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Imogen Poots she is currently starring with Christian Bale in the new Terrence Malick movie and she played Young Valerie in V for Vendetta.

Poots was great as Micheal Fassbenders love intrest in Centurion as well.

Wow, yes forgot about that, she had VERY little to work with but made a great impression, she was one of the most memorable things about the movie despite having about 10 mins screen-time.

[cherokeesam]

Poots was awesome in 28 Weeks Later and Miss Austen regrets. Kendrick is the actress I'm hoping plays Wasp if they decide to use her. Aren't all these actresses a bit young though?

Oh my god.

Imagine if they were casting Sin! :wow:

I don't think Sin would be a "lead actress." At best, she'd be a henchperson for Skully alongside Crossbones. I don't see any of those characters appearing/returning until CA3 at the earliest.

Has to be Sharon; no other character makes sense for Cap's leading lady. But I do agree with you that the casting director is going for a very young look....these three usually play teenagers, don't they?

[Blackman]

Yeah I was about to say all 3 of these girls, especially Kendrick, look like they can still pass as high schoolers.

But if I had to chose one I'd probably pick Felicity Jones. Kendrick I like as a comedic actress, but depending how the love interest is written, it's hard for me to picture her as a SHIELD agent. Poots is ok.

[Dark Raven]

Imogen Poots kind of looks like the love child of Jude Law and Kate Winslet. Perhaps she's the result of that movie "The Holiday". Now imagine if it were Kate Winslet and Jack Black. Who would that be?

[Majik1387]

Imogen Poots kind of looks like the love child of Jude Law and Kate Winslet. Perhaps she's the result of that movie "The Holiday". Now imagine if it were Kate Winslet and Jack Black. Who would that be?
Rebel Wilson. :oldrazz:

[OccamsTaser]

Kendrick is very short, apparently. Here's a pic of her standing beside Evans. I guess they'll have to give her some crazy heels if she's cast as Sharon so she'll look less midgety.


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m929ifGz9k1qa54qio1_500.png

[KangConquers]

Poots was awesome in 28 Weeks Later and Miss Austen regrets. Kendrick is the actress I'm hoping plays Wasp if they decide to use her. Aren't all these actresses a bit young though?

Oh my god.

Imagine if they were casting Sin! :wow:

Felicity Jones will be 32 when Cap 2 comes out, Kendrick 29, and Poots 25; I fail to see how any are too young to play Sharon Carter.

[Webfoot Hero]

Kendrick is very short, apparently. Here's a pic of her standing beside Evans. I guess they'll have to give her some crazy heels if she's cast as Sharon so she'll look less midgety.


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m929ifGz9k1qa54qio1_500.png
They sort of look like Hemsworth and Portman did in Thor with their big height difference. Marvel needs to get someone closer to Evans' height of 6'0". All these actresses being talked about are 5'4" and below. For comparison, Hayley Atwell is 5'7" and Amanda Righetti is 5'9".

[Suzanne78]

The hell? Jones will be 32?! She looks so much younger, especially in that Like Crazy movie.

Kendrick is still my pick, as I'm very interested to see her version of Sharon Carter. I'll give Poots a shot; I've been meaning to watch Centurion on Netflix streaming. Now I have an excuse to ;)

[Majik1387]

Maybe they'll keep Kendrick on the short list for Wasp. :cwink:

[BullMcGiveny]

Felicity Jones will be 32 when Cap 2 comes out, Kendrick 29, and Poots 25; I fail to see how any are too young to play Sharon Carter.
The point is they LOOK young.

[M-2]

I don't think Kendrick, Jones or Poots (who I want see as Enchantress!!) are going to play Sharon Carter...

They all girl next door types where Carter is straight up military... I think whoever will get cast will be playing Bernie Rosenthal after all She leased an apartment directly below Rogers, when they both stayed in New York.

So she could be a good contrast for Cap and what he is used too.