Captain America 2: News and Speculation

[Blackman]

Captain America Sequel to Hit Theaters on April 4, 2014!
Source: The Walt Disney Studios April 5, 2012

The Walt Disney Studios has announced a release date for Marvel Studios' sequel to the blockbuster Captain America: The First Avenger on April 4, 2014.

The second installment will pick-up where the highly anticipated Marvel's The Avengers (May 4, 2012) leaves off, as Steve Rogers continues his affiliation with Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D and struggles to embrace his role in the modern world.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=88933


Old news but I just wanted to post it again

Where do you see the sequel going, who do you wanna see cast, what do you think will happen etc.

[MarvelKnight]

All I know is I want allusions to the winter soldier shadowing captain america, watching almost scouting him and everything that goes on throughout the film leading into CA3.

I'd like to see Sharon Carter in this film, and it makes sense that SLJ and either/or BW or Hawkeye being in this film since Cap will presumably be working with shield. I've always thought modok would be a good enemy and if not, definitely Zemo or Hydra with baron von strucker/madame hydra.

I want them to get the director situation figured out soon tho

[psylockolussus]

I would like to see Sharon Carter as Captain America's love interest. I'm not yet sure if Winter Soldier should be in this one because I don't know how they are gonna bring him back. And I hope the villain is Baron Zemo.

[ironmaidenrules]

I think a fun scene will be Clint and Steve hanging out at a bar. Like start the movie with a mission montage. I want the three of them to be a well oiled machine. Then we see Steve go home to his apartment. Big pile of junk mail, no pictures hanging up.very bleak. And all he does is sit by the phone waiting for the next mission.

Then pan out to Clint and Natasha spying on him from the building opposite. So Clint takes Steve out on hopes of cheering him up, getting him laid wherever.


So obviously Clint ends up having more fun since cap can't get drunk. Cap well mention how being out reminds him of Bucky. They leave, cap is helping Clint get in the car....then the camera changes so we see that they are being viewed through a sniper rifle and the shadowy figure touches his ear piece and asks "now" but the voice replies with "no, he must pay first"

[third3ye]

I think it was Fiege who mentioned that Steve would have his past revisiting him, might as throw that comment in here. Could be Red Skull, Winter Soldier, Peggy as the Titanic granny, etc.

[TheVileOne]

Easy way to explain Bucky:

-Before Cap rescued Bucky, he was experimented on by Zola. We have no idea what Zola did to him and might've put in Bucky's body. Maybe Bucky got a formula similar to the serums given to Red Skull and Cap.

-We never saw Bucky's body, so maybe whatever he got experimented on with helped save his life and maybe his body was recovered by HYDRA or unsavory enemies and he was transformed into the Winter Soldier.

[Blackman]

Do you guys think Amanda Righetti will have a bigger role after her, basically, cameo at the end of Cap 1

[MarvelKnight]

I was hoping to get a glimpse of her at the very least during TA, but I'm not surprised she wasn't in it in the long run.

I hope she is in CA2 and has more than 3 lines.

[ironmaidenrules]

Bucky is easy to explain.
Bad guys find body. Using super science they revive him
A few cybernetic enhancements.
Keep him in a stasis chamber next to black widow, only let them out during missions.

[Blackman]

I was hoping to get a glimpse of her at the very least during TA, but I'm not surprised she wasn't in it in the long run.

I hope she is in CA2 and has more than 3 lines.

Yeah I thought she'd be in TA for a little.

Idk she seems like it's weird to have an actress like her and only use her for a throw away role

[Spider-Fan]

Here is an excerp from a Feige interview:

http://www.chud.com/92209/interview-kevin-feige-the-avengers/

Feige: If we do an Avengers 2 it will be after [Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Captain America 2]. They have to grow, they have to change. What they’ve gone through in this movie will impact their state of mind and where they stand in their next movies. Then whatever they go through in those movies is going to affect where we meet them in the next Avengers film. But I think people will be surprised to see, as we go forward – particularly in Iron Man 3 – the notion of how singular the stories can become. Iron Man 3 is a very singular Tony Stark story. As is Thor 2. Cap, who is stuck in the modern day with no friends or family, there will be some revelations of who is still alive from his days in WWII, but SHIELD and Nick Fury are kind of his confidants right now. So of all these movies, Captain America 2 will be most closely associated with Avengers.

Add this to the list of what we know!

[TheVileOne]

I wonder if it will be contentious at all considering Captain America blames Fury and SHIELD for what took place in Avengers.

[TacomaTruck90]

Amanda Righetti possibley Sharon Carter??? ehhh

[TheVileOne]

Not necessarily TacomaTruck90, she had that small role at the end of The First Avenger when Cap wakes up in the present day. The red head that comes into his room is Amanda Righetti. We speculated she might be Sharon Carter, and then there was a rumor reporting she was cast in Avengers so as a result people speculated maybe she was Sharon Carter. There is nothing to suggest she's also working on the Cap sequel. I believe the rumor of her casting in Avengers might've been false. Or I dunno maybe she had some small scenes or bits like Sitwell that ended up being cut.

[Steampunk Ghost]

Easy way to explain Bucky:

-Before Cap rescued Bucky, he was experimented on by Zola. We have no idea what Zola did to him and might've put in Bucky's body. Maybe Bucky got a formula similar to the serums given to Red Skull and Cap.

-We never saw Bucky's body, so maybe whatever he got experimented on with helped save his life and maybe his body was recovered by HYDRA or unsavory enemies and he was transformed into the Winter Soldier.
that was my speculation as well. i still think its too bad they cant keep completely true to the comics and use the Soviets for the Winter Soldier. :doh: oh well. i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Avenger]

that was my speculation as well. i still think its too bad they cant keep completely true to the comics and use the Soviets for the Winter Soldier. :doh: oh well. i guess we'll just have to wait and see.Why can't they? I expect Bucky's story will play out almost exactly as it did in the comics. He'll be found and revived by the Soviets in 1945, and whatever experiments Zola performed on him will enable the Soviets to use Bucky as the Winter Soldier for the next fifty years. After the Cold War ends, he becomes Aleksander Lukin's personal assassin and remains in that same role at the time of CA2/CA3 (whichever movie he reappears in).

[MarvelKnight]

I don't think it is necessary for Sharon to be an immediate love interest either. Love interest's are slightly overrated, imho, and since 70 years probably still seems like yesterday for Cap. I don't think he should even know Sharon Carter is related to Peggy for a while either. A smart little quip like 'you remind me of someone I used to know' would suffice if they interact, but yeah, no need to go into a full-tilt romance right out of the gate.

[Webfoot Hero]

Why can't they? I expect Bucky's story will play out almost exactly as it did in the comics. He'll be found and revived by the Soviets in 1945, and whatever experiments Zola performed on him will enable the Soviets to use Bucky as the Winter Soldier for the next fifty years. After the Cold War ends, he becomes Aleksander Lukin's personal assassin and remains in that same role at the time of CA2/CA3 (whichever movie he reappears in).
That's how I think it should play out with Bucky/Winter Soldier. Considering that Feige has said CA2 will be a political thriller-type movie, that easily fits WS's expertise as he's a well-known assassin that could be up to stealing something or assassinating someone for a much larger entity. Maybe only show glimpses or hints towards who is doing the crimes would make it a true political thriller that would set up future Cap movies.

[Avenger]

Yeah, sounds good to me.

So...when are we getting an actual CA2 forum? :funny:

[Great Mind(s)]

I think it would be a great idea to throw Black Widow and Hawkeye in the Captain America sequel. It's real cool that BW and HE could travel through-out the movie universe.

[Blackman]

yeah having BW and Hawkeye showing up in Cap, or at least just Hawkeye in the next Cap movie is the way to go.

I dont think a SHIELD movie or a solo Black Widow movie would do that well, the best option is to have Fury, Hill, BW, and Hawkeye be Cap's new supporting cast would be the best option for those characters. Don't shortchange them tho

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. Plus, it gives Cap a team to command, which can only boost his BO.

Really excited to see where they go for Cap 2!!!

[TheVileOne]

Cap's a 90 year old virgin now, the guy needs to get laid.

I don't know about Widow and Hawkeye having major roles in this sequel. I don't want this to be West Coast Avengers the movie. I think if you bring in a new hero it can be someone like Falcon or Winter Soldier.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I am looking forward to them exploring the man out of time aspect, it wasnt explorered enough in TA for me so I hope they really delve into it and show how it effects Cap.

[ironmaidenrules]

Scary how we all want the same things for captain America 2.
Zemo
Winter soldier (even if just hinted)
Widow and hawk eye
Sharon Carter

Sooooo....the movie should write itself ...so how are they going to screw it up? Who is the director?

[cherokeesam]

Scary how we all want the same things for captain America 2.
Zemo
Winter soldier (even if just hinted)
Widow and hawk eye
Sharon Carter

Sooooo....the movie should write itself ...so how are they going to screw it up? Who is the director?


Uwe Boll :o

[BoredGuy]

I think it'd be cool if you don't actually see Winter Soldier in this movie, but he's just hidden in every frame somewhere.
Like steve walks past bucky with a hood on the street, then you see a figure standing on a rooftop (almost imperceptibly) far behind cap in another scene, then a shadow whips past the camera in another.
Have him be almost constantly in the movie, but you don't really see him unless someone points it out

[Webfoot Hero]

I think it'd be cool if you don't actually see Winter Soldier in this movie, but he's just hidden in every frame somewhere.
Like steve walks past bucky with a hood on the street, then you see a figure standing on a rooftop (almost imperceptibly) far behind cap in another scene, then a shadow whips past the camera in another.
Have him be almost constantly in the movie, but you don't really see him unless someone points it out
That's how I always thought they should reveal WS. Maybe show some assassinations where there's some possible evidence that lets Steve know the killer is someone from his past.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Aaah... I do hope the let Bucky rest in peace for at least ONE sequel. Then they can screw up as much as they want, bringing Bucky back from the dead.
Really, WS is not a good character. At least not as good to forget what Bucky's death stood for all these years.

[BoredGuy]

Disagreed, WS was a better story than pretty much anything that has happened to Cap in decades.
it tested him mentally and emotionally like very few of his rogue's gallery does.
MODOK?... nahhhh, give me Winter Soldier any day

[Spider-Fan]

I think conceptually, Winter Soldier is a good idea (though not my preference for Cap 2). However, I do think the story itself falls into the trap most modern comics today do: too many splash pages, and a rushed ending. Not a whole lot happens in the first few parts other than talking, and when we finally get a major action scene, it is brief and loaded with splash pages. Comics today waste so many panels, it is ridiculous. It slows the story and leads to poor pacing.

[xeno000]

I think conceptually, Winter Soldier is a good idea (though not my preference for Cap 2). However, I do think the story itself falls into the trap most modern comics today do: too many splash pages, and a rushed ending. Not a whole lot happens in the first few parts other than talking, and when we finally get a major action scene, it is brief and loaded with splash pages. Comics today waste so many panels, it is ridiculous. It slows the story and leads to poor pacing.


I so agree with what you said about the lack of real action and the overuse of splash pages in current comics. It's as if artist have lost the ability to draw convincing action sequences, while the writers have characters spend entire issues talking for endless pages with nothing else happening. The reams of dialogue don't really lead anywhere, but they do give artists a break from trying to draw characters doing anything other than standing around jawboning.


When I tried to give AVX a chance, I was put off by the fact that entire issues consisted of splash pages/2-page spreads in which no action took place. For an event predicated on a "war" between the two teams, there is far more talking than fighting. And none of that dialogue advances the story very far. Four dollars per issue is far too much to waste on non-events like that.

[CLFilms]

I started a thread without seeing this one...

I think they're going to play up on Maria Hill in the sequel. Cap has worked pretty intimately with S.H.I.E.L.D. (Sharon Carter, anyone? :P)

Here's some more info I wrote up on the sequel based on what's been disclosed....

http://dmconnectioncomics.blogspot.com/2012/05/updates-on-captain-america-sequel-and.html

[cherokeesam]

Latinoreview has recently reported from trusted sources that Black Panther is the "mystery" movie slated for release in 2014. Indieblog has an interesting addendum to that, indicating that they've heard separately that T'challa is supposed to debut with a cameo in CA2:


Of course, none of this is official and it could be wrong, but many of the pieces fit into place and also remember, Mark Bailey was hired to write a script (http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/marvel_gets_black_panther_moving_again_hires_mark_ bailey_to_write_the_scrip) more than a year ago. We recenty had heard separately that Black Panther was going to be set up/cameo in the sequel to "Captain America: The First Avenger," and with this bit of news, that seems to make a lot of sense.


http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/marvels-next-standalone-film-will-reportedly-be-a-black-panther-movie-20120605

[Christopher_M]

also coming from LatinoReview is that they'll be revealing the hired director for Captain America 2 tomorrow... this sounds like the first of many Marvel scoops from them

[cherokeesam]

also coming from LatinoReview is that they'll be revealing the hired director for Captain America 2 tomorrow... this sounds like the first of many Marvel scoops from them

Although SHH now says their sources say LR's report about BP is not true (see main page)....so I don't know what to believe.

[Christopher_M]

Although SHH now says their sources say LR's report about BP is not true (see main page)....so I don't know what to believe.

SHH is apart of ComingSoon which is a ******** blog that never credits original sources of their posted material, they hijack interview quotes and images all the time neither are creditable blogs...

LatinoReview originally broke the news on Loki being the villain Avengers along with clearing up who is the main villain in Iron Man 3... I sort of trust them as they've been on the money a majority of the time.. plus they've stated four of their sources have confirmed the Black Panther news.. also if BadassDigest is running the news believe it... Devin has just as many sources inside Marvel

[Avenger]

Hot diggity! Cap 2's finally got its own subboard! :woot:

[Hawkingbird]

I think we should all write a letter to the writers pleading them to put Winter Solider in...

1. Because it would be mind blowingly awesome.
2. Because I love looking at Sebastian Stan...

[marcvader]

Ok, now that were finally getting some movement here, must subscribe and participate.

[marcvader]

I'd be cool with WS being the mysterious subplot but not the main one.

[Suzanne78]

Comic-wise, is there another major Cap storyline that the sequel could draw from that isn't Winter Soldier? Honestly, I've mostly familiar with Brubaker's Cap and the various Avengers storylines that Cap is a part of, but besides fighting HYDRA or AIM or Zemo, I'm sort of drawing a blank.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Ok, now that were finally getting some movement here, must subscribe and participate.They've created a bunch of great concept/promo art for Cap 2 already) So yeah, it's totally on!

[Chewy]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-america-sequel-anthony-joe-russo-334218

Russo Brothers to direct

[marcvader]

Comic-wise, is there another major Cap storyline that the sequel could draw from that isn't Winter Soldier? Honestly, I've mostly familiar with Brubaker's Cap and the various Avengers storylines that Cap is a part of, but besides fighting HYDRA or AIM or Zemo, I'm sort of drawing a blank.
Captain America No More was a great arc in the late 80's.

They've created a bunch of great concept/promo art for Cap 2 already) So yeah, it's totally on!
Yes!:up:

[TheGambler]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-america-sequel-anthony-joe-russo-334218

Russo Brothers to direct

Community guys... Awesome! :cap:

[marcvader]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-america-sequel-anthony-joe-russo-334218

Russo Brothers to direct

Hmm, don't know how I should receive this news. Fingers crossed on their ability to give us something truly worthy of the Captain America name.

[SuperSAINT]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-america-sequel-anthony-joe-russo-334218

Russo Brothers to direct

Think this is the 1st Marvel hire that I've never seen a thing that the prospective Directors have done. (Not saying that's a bad thing).

[Webfoot Hero]

Think this is the 1st Marvel hire that I've never seen a thing that the prospective Directors have done. (Not saying that's a bad thing).
Same here but sometimes going with someone new gives you a fresh way of shooting.

[MarvelKnight]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-america-sequel-anthony-joe-russo-334218

Russo Brothers to direct


I have faith in the decision because it's Marvel, but my reaction is one of...Um..okay? Underwhelming to say the least.-- Admittedly, I don't watch Community, but even if I did, a pair of TV directors being thrust into the middle of the CBM world and more importantly the MCU..slightly worrisome.

I agree Marcvader, hopefully they don't buckle and give us a **** sequel. Hopefully they take on some veteran CBM/MCU guys as producers and such to help em out.

[Juicy J]

I have faith in Marvel since so far they've continually knocked it out of the park... but this was definitely a curveball. I love community but I don't see how working on that equates to them directing Captain America. Needless to say I'm not worried since its in the capable hands of MS, but it does raise my eyebrows a little.

[marcvader]

Feige must have confidence in them after their pitch I guess and he's had a pretty good track record so far so...

[Suzanne78]

I'm pretty much in the "Buh wha' huh?" boat with everyone else regarding the Russo bros. And I love Community and Arrested Development as much as my first born. Seriously. But... yeah. I don't really know what the hell Feige was thinking.

Although if this means Alison Brie has a shot playing Sharon Carter and Donald Glover as Sam Wilson, then I'm in.... I think.

[Parker Wayne]

All I have to say about the choice is :huh:

I thought they Marvel would get more experienced directors for their movies. It seems like they're still going too small if I have say anything about it right now.

Alan Taylor for Thor, Russo Brothers for Cap. Getting TV directors to direct movies is what screwed over the Brosnan Bond movies in the 90s, so I'm weary about having tv directors with little big film experience to direct. At least Whedon directed a Sci-Fi movie before The Avengers.

They must have had a damn good pitch and I hope Marvel knows what they're doing.

[scifiwolf]

While Marvel's previous choices haven't been expected, they made so much sense that I always felt comfortable. This is not only unexpected, but I'm struggling to see how the choice could make any kind of sense. I'm hoping they put together a really insane pitch. I'm also hoping Marvel releases something to assuage our collective concerns.

My only comfort is that there are a lot of things in place artistically that we already know will work, like Chris as Steve.

[Lady Marion]

I never heard of them. This choice is kinda strange. Let's hope that the run of luck lasts for Marvel. Feige makes usually unusal decisions and they worked so far. But this here makes me wonder.

[Suzanne78]

The one thing that the Russos have going for them, despite their work on You, Me and Dupree (ew!), is that they've worked on projects that rely on non-linear storytelling and timelines and whatnot. Happy Endings, Arrested Development and Community are the tv shows I'm thinking about. We *might* get a very interesting Cap 2 movie out of this, particularly if it's going to be flashback heavy. Their projects also rely on strong characters and balancing ensemble casts. And I was massively entertained during Community's paintball episodes. They were awesome. Witty action sequences too. So there are those points, I guess. Just trying to make a little sense about where Feige's going with this.

I definitely don't mind finding the humor in Captain America, but I don't want it to dissolve into slapstick and farce. But if they can capture a very unique vision of Cap and do so successfully, this might be Feige's greatest hat trick of all.

I have way less reservations about Alan Taylor on Thor 2 than I do the Russos.

[marcvader]

As far as tone is concerned I wouldn't worry too much since at the end of the day it has to fit in the greater MCU. My concern is with them having the ability to give us something really exciting cinematically.

[MarvelKnight]

All I have to say about the choice is :huh:

I agree, while I have faith in Marvel, still it's just odd. Hopefully they stack up on CBM/MCU veteran produces and exec. producers etc etc.

Alan Taylor for Thor, Russo Brothers for Cap. Getting TV directors to direct movies is what screwed over the Brosnan Bond movies in the 90s, so I'm weary about having tv directors with little big film experience to direct. At least Whedon directed a Sci-Fi movie before The Avengers.

They must have had a damn good pitch and I hope Marvel knows what they're doing.

In Alan Taylor's defense, Game of Thrones is an epic fantasy series; that, I think, gives him a much bigger leg up for Thor on handling the more fantastical/mythical elements of Thor's world and the various realms.
Granted, it is TV, but it's HBO and has a much more cinematic feel to it(obviously) than Community, which also gives him a much bigger leg up than the community people, imho.

[Mysteryman]

Even with Serenity on his resume ,
Joss Whedon was widely considered by both fans and media to be a TV director and he did okay .
Not worried about this choice.

[Lady Marion]

I agree on Taylor for Thor 2. And we thought that was a strange choice. But GoT has much more parallels to Thor than everything what the Russo brothers did to CA. That puts the trust on Marvel to the test.

[marcvader]

Even with Serenity on his resume ,
Joss Whedon was widely considered by both fans and media to be a TV director and he did okay .
Not worried about this choice.

But again his skillset included a great ability in directing and writing ensemble pieces which was a good one to have going in to Avengers.

[MarvelKnight]

I agree on Taylor for Thor 2. And we thought that was a strange choice. But GoT has much more parallels to Thor than everything what the Russo brothers did to CA. That puts the trust on Marvel to the test.

Exactamundo.

[Harley2004]

You would think with the amount of money these movies generate they would want a more proven director. Iron Man nailed it with black, but this is just not sounding good, at all.

[MarvelKnight]

You would think with the amount of money these movies generate they would want a more proven director. Iron Man nailed it with Wright, but this is just not sounding good, at all.

I think you mean Ant-Man if you're referring to Wright

[Parker Wayne]

I agree, while I have faith in Marvel, still it's just odd. Hopefully they stack up on CBM/MCU veteran produces and exec. producers etc etc.



In Alan Taylor's defense, Game of Thrones is an epic fantasy series; that, I think, gives him a much bigger leg up for Thor on handling the more fantastical/mythical elements of Thor's world and the various realms.
Granted, it is TV, but it's HBO and has a much more cinematic feel to it(obviously) than Community, which also gives him a much bigger leg up than the community people, imho.

Fair enough.

[Superhero 101]

i have faith in Marvel and i think that the Russo brothers are young and can have a fresh and creative take on the film

[Parker Wayne]

I'm gonna reserve my opinion. I'm not gonna call it a bad choice until I see a trailer or at least here more about it, but it is a confusing choice.

[MarvelKnight]

Like you said PW, initial reaction is just ---> :huh:

[Parker Wayne]

I don't know whether to interpret this as potential genius, or Marvel being cheap and micromanaging. I'm starting a to get the feeling that limiting the potential of these movies will bite them in the ass if it's the latter.

[MarvelKnight]

in the wake of pulling off the uber-ambitious Avengers..maybe this is their idea of 'taking a chance' in the wake of that..(though it sounds incredibly stupid to do that with your director) I'd rather them go that route with the stories they choose to adapt to the screen.

Only time will tell. Like I've said before, I hope they add successful CBM-MCU veterans to their crew to assist them and soak up their knowledge on what the MCU world is all about(as well as CBMs in general)

[marcvader]

I hope they're closet uber/MarvelZombie/fanboy/geeks and really get Cap and the MCU.

[Harley2004]

I think you mean Ant-Man if you're referring to Wright

I mean Shane black, I don't know why I was thinking of Wright. Nevertheless a very odd decison.

[MarvelKnight]

I hope they're closet uber/MarvelZombie/fanboy/geeks and really get Cap and the MCU.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I wouldn't mind reading a fresh article, like now lol, about that which would maybe take some of the oddness out of the choice.

[Randal Graves]

Joe Russo directed the Community episodes A Fistful of Paintballs and For a Few Paintballs More. I'm not worried.

[R_Hythlodeus]

The one thing that the Russos have going for them, despite their work on You, Me and Dupree (ew!), is that they've worked on projects that rely on non-linear storytelling and timelines and whatnot. Happy Endings, Arrested Development and Community are the tv shows I'm thinking about. We *might* get a very interesting Cap 2 movie out of this, particularly if it's going to be flashback heavy. Their projects also rely on strong characters and balancing ensemble casts. And I was massively entertained during Community's paintball episodes. They were awesome. Witty action sequences too. So there are those points, I guess. Just trying to make a little sense about where Feige's going with this.

I definitely don't mind finding the humor in Captain America, but I don't want it to dissolve into slapstick and farce. But if they can capture a very unique vision of Cap and do so successfully, this might be Feige's greatest hat trick of all.

I have way less reservations about Alan Taylor on Thor 2 than I do the Russos.
I was thinking the same about their experience with nonlinear storytelling when I read the news. Might be the reason they were chosen. We will see flashbacks for sure.

[Suzanne78]

I hope they're closet uber/MarvelZombie/fanboy/geeks and really get Cap and the MCU.

I've heard reports that they are. If so, then yay.

Like everyone else, I really do want a very cinematic experience. Their previous work just doesn't fit the Captain America paradigm. But I do love their TV work. So... I'm torn.

I'll still be following the hell out of this movie though.

[Suzanne78]

I was thinking the same about their experience with nonlinear storytelling when I read the news. Might be the reason they were chosen. We will see flashbacks for sure.

Yeah. Still I'm not enthusiastic about them, but I'm trying to see what they bring to the table for Feige. I honestly don't think it's cheapness; MS has done amazingly well for a film studio that's only been around for a few years. I think this is Feige looking for something different in the next phase. What that is, I do not know. Yet, Feige is a true fan of the source material, and his vision crafted The Avengers, so I'll try to trust him, but it's going to be hard without more information.

Like I said somewhere else, if this means they might look at Donald Glover for a MCU role - either as a hotshot Sam Wilson or maybe even Danny Rand - or Alison Brie for something (Sharon Carter please!!!) then I'd be a happy camper.

[marcvader]

Glover is but a wee little man methinks.

[Suzanne78]

Glover is but a wee little man methinks.

Heightwise, sure. But dude is ripped like no one's business. Seriously, there's a reason he does a lot of shirtless scenes on Community. He would actually make a fabulous Miles Morales, but I could see him as Danny Rand (he's got a lean look about him that would serve Iron Fist's fighting style well). Even if he's smaller than Sam Wilson is supposed to be, he could fill out a costume quite nicely I think. Plus, I think he's a darn good actor.

[herolee10]

It's interesting on how action films have getting directors attached to them that have had no experience in the genre when it comes to their previous film work.lol

Case in point, John Chu for GI Joe 2 (his previous work were mainly dance flicks or Justin Bieber films), Marc Web who made a romantic comedy like film I believe before TASM.

[Suzanne78]

It's interesting on how action films have getting directors attached to them that have had no experience in the genre when it comes to their previous film work.lol

Case in point, John Chu for GI Joe 2 (his previous work were mainly dance flicks or Justin Bieber films), Marc Web who made a romantic comedy like film I believe before TASM.

Gah! I always forget about Webb and TASM! Yeah, he's a very, VERY left-field choice too. And Spidey looks good too.

[Raiden]

I'm not sold on Russos yet, and quite frankly I'm not too happy to see Marvel hiring another TV director(s), even though it panned out for Joss Whedon. I want to be proven wrong, though, because I don't want Cap 2 to end up as a stinker. Marvel better make sure that the sequel receives their 5-star treatment because of the rising interest on Capt. America in the wake of The Avengers.

[herolee10]

Well given on how Marvel switched between directors for the first choice regarding Thor's sequel, on how we went from Monster's director to Alan Taylor, it's still within the realm of possibility that these two may not stay on as directors if we go by that fact alone.

[LauraT]

Huh, yeah this is a left field choice somewhat. Is it the comedy, the non linear storytelling, are they massive, passionate Cap fans? They've directed some good Community eps looking at IMDb though.

I guess whatever happens Marvel will be keeping a close eye and they'll have had to have impressed Feige, the last thing they want to mess up is the possibility of Captain America squandering the chance to explode at the boxoffice after Avengers. That's also what I'm telling myself about Thor and Patty Jenkins (sniff) though with Alan Taylor it's easier to see what he bring to the table.

Marvel better make sure that the sequel receives their 5-star treatment (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=23458815&posted=1#) because of the rising interest on Capt. America in the wake of The Avengers.

They'd be idiots not to, they have a rare (basically unique) 2nd shot at getting both Cap and Thor into the A list for definite like Iron Man, WW if not domestic. Not to mention Cap's big success on BR/DVD.

[Suzanne78]

Community and Arrested Development are streaming on Hulu, for anyone who wants to familiarize themselves with the Cap 2 directors' oeuvre.

Heh, put that in the category of things I never thought I'd be saying.

[herolee10]

I wonder if they’ll approach the sequel with a specific genre inspired feel to it like they are with Thor 2 and Iron Man 3. I mean with the next sequels for Iron Man and Thor, we have one which is being described as a James Bond-Technological thriller, and the other which many are saying that it’ll have more of norse/LOTR/Game of Thrones like feel to it as well…so what would that leave for someone like Captain America in a modern day setting?

[That Guy]

This bit of news kind of left me scratching my head. I am a big fan of community, and as many have mentioned that show uses non-linear story telling and flashbacks a lot and it usually works out. Maybe if they could use that same approach to cap 2, but in a serious way it might work.

[marcvader]

I wonder if they’ll approach the sequel with a specific genre inspired feel to it like they are with Thor 2 and Iron Man 3. I mean with the next sequels for Iron Man and Thor, we have one which is being described as a James Bond-Technological thriller, and the other which many are saying that it’ll have more of norse/LOTR/Game of Thrones like feel to it as well…so what would that leave for someone like Captain America in a modern day setting?

It's going to be Captain America: Back to Community College

[Suzanne78]

Rewatching both paintball episodes and Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, the ones I remember how much I loved the pacing of these episodes. They do have a clear love for action movies. And the D&D episode is straight up rad.

I'm rrrrrrreally trying hard to stay optimistic. Especially until we get some statement from Feige and Co.

[marcvader]

With the presumed hiring of the Russo's, I wonder if we are going to get a title for this sequel and filming start date. If this indeed is set for April 2014 I wonder how early next year they will start January, February?

[Christopher_M]

with the Russo Brothers likely directing Cap 2... It wouldn't be hard to see Marvel casting Gillian Jacobs as Sharon Carter since it was never confirmed Carter has been shown on screen yet.. Cobie Smudlers best known for her sitcom How I Met Your Mother was cast as SHIELD agent Maria Hill so it's not hard to think they'd cast a supporting character like Carter from television shows..

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[Christopher_M]

I'm curious were all the hate is coming from for the Russo Brothers? The comments on ************** are pure venom. Sure, they don't have a great feature film record but neither did Joss Whedon. Marvel might be looking for directors that could end up the next Whedon. They obviously love comics and genre material as Community is littered with shout-outs to that stuff. At the very least the Russos could increase the level of humor and witty lines which helped make Avengers the success it was. I felt First Avenger was a cold in regards to true humor and had to be somber because of the era it was set.

[Suzanne78]

Personally, I love the Russos TV work, but I fear how they will be able to handle a franchise movie when they really are an unknown commodity. Until we get further insight to the plot details of Cap 2 and interviews with Feige and the brothers, I'm not enthusiastic about having them take up the CA 2 reigns.

I will always defend their work on Community and AD though. I hate that people are focusing on You, Me and Dupree as their big credential. Yes, that's one movie on their resume, but their work on Community and AD are more recent, and far more brilliant.
But this is how it typically is. A person is cast or a director/writer is chosen, and upon announcement every fan comes out to post vitrol. I'm taking a "wait and see" approach to it. I'm definitely not sold, but I do love their work so much that I'm going to keep my mind open about what they can bring to the Cap franchise.

[LauraT]

But this is how it typically is. A person is cast or a director/writer is chosen, and upon announcement every fan comes out to post vitrol. I'm taking a "wait and see" approach to it. I'm definitely not sold, but I do love their work so much that I'm going to keep my mind open about what they can bring to the Cap franchise.

I agree, that goes for most actors they cast too, lots of hand wringing over Chris Evans after he was cast IIRC. The choice does seem to come out of left field but if they want a slightly more Avenger-y style Cap then these two are potentially a good choice but we'll have to wait and see. I hadn't thought about seeing potential future Joss Whedon's but it's true Community does a lot of genre jokes and shoutouts.

with the Russo Brothers likely directing Cap 2... It wouldn't be hard to see Marvel casting Gillian Jacobs as Sharon Carter since it was never confirmed Carter has been shown on screen yet.. Cobie Smudlers best known for her sitcom How I Met Your Mother was cast as SHIELD agent Maria Hill so it's not hard to think they'd cast a supporting character like Carter from television shows..


She could work. Do we think Maria Hill will be in this since it's supposed to involve SHIELD?

[cherokeesam]

I'm curious were all the hate is coming from for the Russo Brothers? The comments on ************** are pure venom. Sure, they don't have a great feature film record but neither did Joss Whedon. Marvel might be looking for directors that could end up the next Whedon. They obviously love comics and genre material as Community is littered with shout-outs to that stuff. At the very least the Russos could increase the level of humor and witty lines which helped make Avengers the success it was. I felt First Avenger was a cold in regards to true humor and had to be somber because of the era it was set.

I'm not the least bit concerned about the Russos lack of experience in movies (besides, they've done at least one feature film), or the fact that they specialize in TV; it's the fact that they specialize in comedy. Exclusively.

Yes, Cap could lighten up a little, but Cap's story does NOT need to turn into a fish-out-of-water sitcom. And unfortunately, I think that's why the Russos were hired. Playing up Steve's attempts to adjust to life in the 21st century for yuks is a terrible, terrible idea. Hell, if anything, his story should be played for pathos, not humor....poor guy's whole world and everyone in it were left 70 years in his past, and yet he hasn't aged a bit.

That's not something to laugh at; that's something to weep at.

[DarkSovereignty]

with the Russo Brothers likely directing Cap 2... It wouldn't be hard to see Marvel casting Gillian Jacobs as Sharon Carter since it was never confirmed Carter has been shown on screen yet.. Cobie Smudlers best known for her sitcom How I Met Your Mother was cast as SHIELD agent Maria Hill so it's not hard to think they'd cast a supporting character like Carter from television shows..

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yes, ho god yes.
I'm not the least bit concerned about the Russos lack of experience in movies (besides, they've done at least one feature film), or the fact that they specialize in TV; it's the fact that they specialize in comedy. Exclusively.

Yes, Cap could lighten up a little, but Cap's story does NOT need to turn into a fish-out-of-water sitcom. And unfortunately, I think that's why the Russos were hired. Playing up Steve's attempts to adjust to life in the 21st century for yuks is a terrible, terrible idea. Hell, if anything, his story should be played for pathos, not humor....poor guy's whole world and everyone in it were left 70 years in his past, and yet he hasn't aged a bit.

That's not something to laugh at; that's something to weep at.
'cause THAT won't get old. Also, while the Russo's specialize in comedy, their comedy is very detailed, established not through cheap gags and slap stick but through understanding their characters and subsequent personalities. they're humor is also quite dark and cynical at times, but can also have a lot of heart at other times. I'm not worried.

[Christopher_M]

I agree, that goes for most actors they cast too, lots of hand wringing over Chris Evans after he was cast IIRC. The choice does seem to come out of left field but if they want a slightly more Avenger-y style Cap then these two are potentially a good choice but we'll have to wait and see. I hadn't thought about seeing potential future Joss Whedon's but it's true Community does a lot of genre jokes and shoutouts.



She could work. Do we think Maria Hill will be in this since it's supposed to involve SHIELD?

The impression I have is that they've combined the SHIELD film with CAP2.. so expect Hill, Widow, Hawkeye, Fury and new characters all in the mix for the sequel..not to mention some flashbacks to unseen WWII missions with the Howling Commandos..

the current rumors concerning new characters seem to be The Falcon, Black Panther, Sharon Carter and maybe Modok.. the latter I wouldn't be so sure of as Baron Strucker and Zemo had been in original drafts of First Avenger only to be cut out... My theory is that Cap could create a present day unit aka The Invaders going up against A.I.M./Hydra which is led by Strucker..A.I.M. could have a sleeper in the world counsel which might have Rogers questioning his loyalties to SHIELD along with the fact they're trying to create their Hydra-type weapons...I also believe that Winter Soldier could make an apparence but I assume they'll want to save some stuff for the third film...

Marvel is notorious for going bigger with each new installment so expect this sequel to be bigger than First Avenger in every way...given the fact the origin isn't eating 30 or so minutes of screentime this round

[cherokeesam]

The impression I have is that they've combined the SHIELD film with CAP2.. so expect Hill, Widow, Hawkeye, Fury and new characters all in the mix for the sequel..not to mention some flashbacks to unseen WWII missions with the Howling Commandos..

the current rumors concerning new characters seem to be The Falcon, Black Panther, Sharon Carter and maybe Modok.. the latter I wouldn't be so sure of as Baron Strucker and Zemo had been in original drafts of First Avenger only to be cut out... My theory is that Cap could create a present day unit aka The Invaders going up against A.I.M./Hydra which is led by Strucker..A.I.M. could have a sleeper in the world counsel which might have Rogers questioning his loyalties to SHIELD along with the fact they're trying to create their Hydra-type weapons...I also believe that Winter Soldier could make an apparence but I assume they'll want to save some stuff for the third film...

Marvel is notorious for going bigger with each new installment so expect this sequel to be bigger than First Avenger in every way...given the fact the origin isn't eating 30 or so minutes of screentime this round


Good lord...
Not that I'd mind something like what you described as an epic *comic book* king-size annual, but for a movie....? Why even call it "Captain America" at all, when you're throwing in everyone except The Kitchen Sink? I agree that Cap's story will be tied to SHIELD, and we'll see the odd cameo or three, but let this be HIS story, not a mini-Avengers free-for-all.

[RockSP]

but let this be HIS story, not a mini-Avengers free-for-all.

Heh, pretty much.

[RockSP]

While Marvel's previous choices haven't been expected, they made so much sense that I always felt comfortable.

What about Favreau for Iron Man "made sense" to you?

[R_Hythlodeus]

What about Favreau for Iron Man "made sense" to you?
Swingers and the fact that he was a massive fan

[M-2]

I was just thinking about possible villains that Cap could face in Cap 2, and Baron Zemo obviously popped into my mind... But I started to think about who could play him??

And I must say every time I see that Expendables 2 trailer, I just can't stop thinking about how perfect Jean-Claude Van Damme could be playing Zemo!!

I Know some might disagree, but just watch the trailer, and tell me he couldn't pull it off!!

He doesn't have to be the best of actors, because he will be wearing the mask for the entirety or at least 90% of the film, and he has the cool accent, he still has that athletic ability, so that we could see a awesome fight scene with Cap!!

And I just think looking at him in Expendables as a villain just suits him, better than any other role i seen him take in the past...

[kaijunexus]

We all know what a tight ship Marvel runs. They allow directors a certain amount of freedom, but maintain a relatively firm grip on the general direction of the story and characters.

This directing duo has obviously proven themselves and their vision for Cap 2 to Marvel. Marvel approves them for this film, for the character of Captain America, and for the entry they will produce as it will fit into the greater MCU.

What...is...the problem?

[MarvelKnight]

We all know what a tight ship Marvel runs. They allow directors a certain amount of freedom, but maintain a relatively firm grip on the general direction of the story and characters.

This directing duo has obviously proven themselves and their vision for Cap 2 to Marvel. Marvel approves them for this film, for the character of Captain America, and for the entry they will produce as it will fit into the greater MCU.

What...is...the problem?

Well, to play devil's advocate, they hired Patty Jenkins for Thor. Obviously she proved something to them initially as well, and then they kicked her to the curb a few months later. Sure, history probably won't repeat itself, but the precedent has officially been set.

Don't got a problem with the hiring, but it doesn't make it any less strange. It's been stated previously, but hopefully they are closet Marvelites and have an understanding of the characters, if even in the most basic sense.

[kaijunexus]

Well, to play devil's advocate, they hired Patty Jenkins for Thor. Obviously she proved something to them initially as well, and then they kicked her to the curb a few months later. Sure, history probably won't repeat itself, but the precedent has officially been set.

Don't got a problem with the hiring, but it doesn't make it any less strange. It's been stated previously, but hopefully they are closet Marvelites and have an understanding of the characters, if even in the most basic sense.

That example actually does a good job of furthering my point about Marvel being in control. They may have liked Patty's general ideas, but weren't so fond of them as she started to detail them out. It certainly didn't seem like they split on bad terms, as I recall Marvel having said that they still wanted her to direct a Marvel film in the future.

Point is...if the directors chosen for Cap 2 end up having ideas that aren't in-line with Marvel's, they will most likely be tossed. If they are kept, then we should be confident that Marvel likes their direction...

[Whiskey Tango]

What...is...the problem?

We're compelled to complain and wring our hands with worry over things we know almost nothing about, to the point where we start imagining fantastic little doomsday scenarios in which Marvel loses their minds and starts sabotaging their own films for giggles, all based on vague internet rumors and hearsay.

[cherokeesam]

We're compelled to complain and wring our hands with worry over things we know almost nothing about, to the point where we start imagining fantastic little doomsday scenarios in which Marvel loses their minds and starts sabotaging their own films for giggles, all based on vague internet rumors and hearsay.


Way to overreact by pretending people are overreacting, instead of simply asking what Marvel saw in a couple of comedy directors for Cap.

*Every* director they've chosen so far has been because that director(s) is uniquely qualified to explore a certain facet of what Marvel Studios is looking for in each film. With Favreau, it was his work in Zathura that presaged the kind of movie he'd do for Iron Man; with Leterrier, he had experience in movies about a loner desperately running for his life from lots of people with guns; with Branagh and Taylor, you've got ample background in movies about court intrigue and royal family dramas; with Johnston, you've got decades of experience with action blockbusters and period pieces; with Black, he's been writing "crisis techno thriller" screenplays for decades, and has a long rapport with RDJ. Heck, even with Patty Jenkins, it was most likely about the feminine perspective she would have brought to a female villain like Enchantress, Karnilla, and/or Hela.

But The Russo Brothers, unlike all that, are totally left field. The only visible angle here is that they were chosen for their work in comedy, since that's the *only* field they've worked in.

So quit overreacting about people asking a simple but pertinent question: why were comedy directors hired to do a Captain America film?

[Whiskey Tango]

Way to overreact by pretending people are overreacting,

Please, this isn't my first time at the rodeo. Every single detail and rumor that emerges about every single one of these films throws some nerd into spasms of panic and he reacts by heading straight for the intertubes. You can set your watch by it.

At any rate, Marvel doesn't owe anyone an explanation. If five successful films including one of the biggest hits of all time doesn't instill confidence in them, I guess nothing will.

[Randal Graves]

But The Russo Brothers, unlike all that, are totally left field. The only visible angle here is that they were chosen for their work in comedy, since that's the *only* field they've worked in.
Go watch the Community episodes A Fistfull of Paintballs and For a Few Paintballs More. They can do action and character.

[cherokeesam]

Go watch the Community episodes A Fistfull of Paintballs and For a Few Paintballs More. They can do action and character.

Sure. In comedy.

That's the point. They're completely unproven in drama; so the likely scenario is that Marvel is shooting more for a *comedy* for CA2. How well do you think that idea will fly.....?

[Hypestyle]

I hope the director(s) is officially confirmed asap.. so that filming can start by this fall..

[Randal Graves]

This really is Whedon 2010 all over again.

Marvel is 6/6 in my book. I trust 'em.

[cherokeesam]

Wow you guys really expect them to go completely comedy? Are you out of your mind? Cap isn't going to be slipping on banana peels just because the directors are primarily comedy directors. Jesus christ. Have *some* faith in Marvel, this is just ridiculous. I agree that its an odd choice but you guys jumping to conclusions is just ridiculous. They haven't even begun casting and people are complaining. Ridiculous.

How is it "jumping to conclusions?" They're COMEDY directors. Period. That means that either (a) they're being hired for their expertise in COMEDY; or (b) Marvel is hiring directors who are COMPLETELY untested outside the COMEDY genre.


No, I don't think they're getting ready to go all slapstick on Cap. But I think the perception from Feige is that Johnston's Cap was earnest and serious and it failed (comparatively) at the box office --- #5 of all 6 Marvel Studios films. By contrast, Iron Man and the Avengers have ample laughs and don't take themselves too seriously, and those generate boffo box office. So Feige figures Cap needs a sense of humor for CA2. I don't know if that's a *bad* thing yet; but it sure as hell is a new direction for Cap, wouldn't you say?

[Whiskey Tango]

I think it's more likely that they simply had a great pitch for Cap 2, or that they have a good grasp of the character that Feige found impressive. The idea that they'd hire a pair of directors just to improve the yucks strikes me as abnormal.

[cherokeesam]

I think it's more likely that they simply had a great pitch for Cap 2, or that they have a good grasp of the character that Feige found impressive. The idea that they'd hire a pair of directors just to improve the yucks strikes me as abnormal.

That's the only optimistic conclusion I can draw from it, too. Maybe Feige was so impressed by what they know about the character and what kind of vision they've got for the story that he said they'd be perfect, even if inexperienced at the genre. Otherwise, it comes back to singling out a comedy director(s) for their expertise in laughs.

[Hawkingbird]

Could be Steven Stielberge?

[kaijunexus]

I think it's more likely that they simply had a great pitch for Cap 2, or that they have a good grasp of the character that Feige found impressive. The idea that they'd hire a pair of directors just to improve the yucks strikes me as abnormal.

Exactly!

[JustSomeGuy]

Hey guys. I never post, and don't really come on here much but I think this decision is so great I want to come on here and voice my support! I clearly see what Fiege is doing here. Going forward, MCU films are going to be done more in the style of TV episodes, and it's brilliant. I personally believe that over the last decade or so TV has really taken off and has overtaken film. Whedon, Taylor and the Russo's, while different genres, all have track records of great television. There is no way the creators of shows like Arrested Development and Community would feel comfortable working with the Russo's if they didn't have incredible talent when it comes to telling a story. Plus these next movies I think will be tied much closer together than the previous films were. Fiege understands the Avengers was great because it focused on the characters, let them drive the movie, and had it be a fun adventure film more than anything else. Big budget monster of the week type stuff, with awesome characters. This guy Fiege knows what he's doing.

[Suzanne78]

Yay! Even though I'm cautious about this deciscion, I do like hearing some more positive voices coming out of the woodwork. I'm very interested in the Russos' vision of Captain America 2 and I'm keeping an open mind about it (while simultaneously envisioning Steve Rogers in Greendale... it makes me laugh).

I do think we're going to have to look beyond the genre the Russos work in to see why Feige hired them, at least until they thmselves tell us what their idea for CA 2 will be. I won't repeat myself, but the Russos know how to create a unique perspective with a tried-and-true format - the sitcom. Here, we have a tried-and-true format - the comic book movie. I also like what JustSomeGuy posted. TV has really upped its game over the past decade, to the point where I hold any ep of Arrested Development or Community is funnier than about 95% of today's comedies, and each episode of Game of Thrones has an epic, cinematic feel all their own. The connectedness between each Marvel movie to the entire framework of the MCU is paramount in phase II. We worry that the movies won't look cinematic enough, but we forget that there's a whole crew that will assist in production, as well as Feige and Co. backing the machine.

I'm still apprehensive about the production, but I do trust Feige.

[LauraT]

Having gone back and rewatched both "A fistfull of Paintballs" and ""For a Few Paintballs More" I am definitely a lot more excited if the ability to mix tone, genre, non linear plot and character moments on display in those eps was one of the reasons they were hired for Cap 2. I'd forgotten how much of a trick is it to go from Western to Star Wars and make it work perfectly with the characters. This is not a sit com with a laugh track and two recycled jokes.


So Feige figures Cap needs a sense of humor for CA2. I don't know if that's a *bad* thing yet; but it sure as hell is a new direction for Cap, wouldn't you say?

Sure if he starts acting like he's on "Two and a Half Men" but I thought Cap in Avengers was still recognisably himself from TFA, he was clearly the most earnest, serious and dedicated to the mission out of the entire cast. I don't think he'll studdenly start throwing out Tony Stark-esque one liners, but if they want to have a few "flying monkey" moments I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.

I think it's more likely that they simply had a great pitch for Cap 2, or that they have a good grasp of the character that Feige found impressive. The idea that they'd hire a pair of directors just to improve the yucks strikes me as abnormal.

Very likely. Hopefully when it is officially announced and/or at Comic Con well get more of an idea about where Marvel are going with this movie. I can still understand why people are :wow: and :huh: but I don't think they're either cheaping out or wanting to turn Cap into Tony just yet.

[MarvelKnight]

Hey guys. I never post, and don't really come on here much but I think this decision is so great I want to come on here and voice my support! I clearly see what Fiege is doing here. Going forward, MCU films are going to be done more in the style of TV episodes, and it's brilliant. I personally believe that over the last decade or so TV has really taken off and has overtaken film. Whedon, Taylor and the Russo's, while different genres, all have track records of great television. There is no way the creators of shows like Arrested Development and Community would feel comfortable working with the Russo's if they didn't have incredible talent when it comes to telling a story. Plus these next movies I think will be tied much closer together than the previous films were. Fiege understands the Avengers was great because it focused on the characters, let them drive the movie, and had it be a fun adventure film more than anything else. Big budget monster of the week type stuff, with awesome characters. This guy Fiege knows what he's doing.

Well, to offer a dissenting opinion: I disagree and I hope this isn't the route they are going by and large. When I go see CA2 or any future movie(in general as well as MCU) I am going to the Movies, and I would hope I get a real CINEMATIC and MOVIE-going expereience. If I walk out of Cap2 feeling like I just watched a 2 hour TV episode I will extremely Frustrated and Disappointed.

[Bryn]

I think Cap 1 had some good humor. I think there's a place for humor in the movie. I do think Cap is really hard to do. He's got a sense of humor ... He's a smart guy. But he's firm on what he believes and on right and wrong.

I think they're going to bring in Falcon and possibly have Cap get stripped of his costume (Nomad). That story line did have him tripping on his cape, by the way.

We'll see. I think Marvel has done a perfect job selecting their directors. The one I was really skeptical about was Favreau. and he was fantastic with Iron Man. Haven't been concerned since that one. Very well selected. The movies have all been well done.

[JustSomeGuy]

Well, to offer a dissenting opinion: I disagree and I hope this isn't the route they are going by and large. When I go see CA2 or any future movie(in general as well as MCU) I am going to the Movies, and I would hope I get a real CINEMATIC and MOVIE-going expereience. If I walk out of Cap2 feeling like I just watched a 2 hour TV episode I will extremely Frustrated and Disappointed.

I'm simply saying the style they are going for will be more similar to television, not necessarily the effects or way it is shot. If you want to get guys who know how to do characters, go to television. That's where television excels way over movies. Did you think the Avengers was enough of a cinematic experience? Because Avengers was done in the style I'm talking about. The characters are the focus of the movie, and done extremely well. That's why it was so great. Was the plot anything special in the Avengers? No, of course not. But the characters were done phenomenally well, because Whedon knows how to write characters, which is evident by his history in television. I think it's also why JJ Abrams has made great movies recently, his history in TV. Look at how well the characters were done in Star Trek. I think it isn't a coincidence that the style was similar, in that the characters are good enough that they can carry whatever the plot is. Show creators need to make much more nuanced characters in order for them to be able to hold a show. They need to give them really strong, identifiable personalities, which is one of the toughest things to do I think. It's where the strength of the medium is, because they need to drag a story out muchhh longer. You can't have weak characterization in a tv series or it won't last. Which is why I think the route they are taking is brilliant. I'm liking everything this guy Fiege has done so far, and I think he is just starting. He will get better as he continues. Remember, Marvel Films is still a very young film studio. They know what made the avengers great, and will keep going in that direction.

Just some guy's opinion.

[cherokeesam]

I think Cap 1 had some good humor. I think there's a place for humor in the movie. I do think Cap is really hard to do. He's got a sense of humor ... He's a smart guy. But he's firm on what he believes and on right and wrong.

I think they're going to bring in Falcon and possibly have Cap get stripped of his costume (Nomad). That story line did have him tripping on his cape, by the way.

We'll see. I think Marvel has done a perfect job selecting their directors. The one I was really skeptical about was Favreau. and he was fantastic with Iron Man. Haven't been concerned since that one. Very well selected. The movies have all been well done.

Yikes. I hope Nomad never sees the light of day. You can have Cap have some crisis of conscience and reject his own government (god knows if he lost faith in America simply over the Nixon years, he should have been horrified at the neo-fascist regimes, both Democrat and Republican, that followed), but I'd hate like hell to see him lose the costume and switch it for a dollar-store generic cape in the movies. His iconography is about his faith in his country and his people, *not* the government.

[Hypestyle]

I hope the next film lays off all of the fish out of water jokes, and just goes into a dramatic plot.. save Cap's experience with microwave ovens and smart phones for off-screen..

[Raiden]

I hope Cap 2 will delve into more serious terroritories, which they can do in addition to action scenes and exploring Steve Rogers' place in the 21st century. They can ask the question about how his belief in the ideals of the American dream clashes with the reality, and how he may even come into odds with the government. Make him stand for the people, and not the politicians, so GA can see why he's still wearing the Star Spangled Banner on his costume. Heck, they can even do a story where they forcibly strip him away from his costume, but he demonstrated that he's Capt. America on the inside, and not just because he's wearing the American flag. Things like that can really establish him as an icon of the MCU.

[MarvelKnight]

I'm simply saying the style they are going for will be more similar to television, not necessarily the effects or way it is shot. If you want to get guys who know how to do characters, go to television. That's where television excels way over movies. Did you think the Avengers was enough of a cinematic experience? Because Avengers was done in the style I'm talking about. The characters are the focus of the movie, and done extremely well. That's why it was so great. Was the plot anything special in the Avengers? No, of course not. But the characters were done phenomenally well, because Whedon knows how to write characters, which is evident by his history in television. I think it's also why JJ Abrams has made great movies recently, his history in TV. Look at how well the characters were done in Star Trek. I think it isn't a coincidence that the style was similar, in that the characters are good enough that they can carry whatever the plot is. Show creators need to make much more nuanced characters in order for them to be able to hold a show. They need to give them really strong, identifiable personalities, which is one of the toughest things to do I think. It's where the strength of the medium is, because they need to drag a story out muchhh longer. You can't have weak characterization in a tv series or it won't last. Which is why I think the route they are taking is brilliant. I'm liking everything this guy Fiege has done so far, and I think he is just starting. He will get better as he continues. Remember, Marvel Films is still a very young film studio. They know what made the avengers great, and will keep going in that direction.

Just some guy's opinion.

I get what you're saying and I get it's your opinion. It's all good.

I too am a fan of what Feige has been able to do so far.

Regardless of Whedon's past in TV,though I think the fact that he has a history with Marvel and understands the characters on a much deeper than your average director helped immensely with knocking this project out of the park moreso than his 'tv past'. The Avengers, imo, was an A+ Adventure with some great laughs and some decent suspense. I never got the sense I was watching "Buffy's The Avengers". It felt like a great movie. Period.

So is any good movie now with great nuanced characters and strong identifiable personalities automatically TV-esque? I would think a really good/great movie can do this same thing with out being labeled 'like TV'. Just seems like a very general statement that I think marginalizes people who make great movies as well as movies in general.

[cherokeesam]

I get what you're saying and I get it's your opinion. It's all good.

I too am a fan of what Feige has been able to do so far.

Regardless of Whedon's past in TV,though I think the fact that he has a history with Marvel and understands the characters on a much deeper than your average director helped immensely with knocking this project out of the park moreso than his 'tv past'. The Avengers, imo, was an A+ Adventure with some great laughs and some decent suspense. I never got the sense I was watching "Buffy's The Avengers". It felt like a great movie. Period.

So is any good movie now with great nuanced characters and strong identifiable personalities automatically TV-esque? I would think a really good/great movie can do this same thing with out being labeled 'like TV'. Just seems like a very general statement that I think marginalizes people who make great movies as well as movies in general.

Exactly....Joss gets a free pass because he's already got a long history with Marvel, and the genre in general. The Russos may be fanboys, but I hope to hell Feige saw something more than just that in hiring them.

[Hawkingbird]

Any news on Falcon?
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/122/1222621p1.html
PLEASE CAN THIS BE TRUE.
Winter Solider **** yeah!

[cherokeesam]

Any news on Falcon?



I'd say his odds of being in Cap 2 just went up quite a bit.

Disney is cancelling A:EMH --- bummer, I know, but it's old news; anyway, they just released a teaser banner for the replacement series due in 2013, and it features the current film lineup of Avengers --- plus one:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/Marvels-The-Avengers-Assemble_Promo.jpg

[Hawkingbird]

Yeah I saw that. Gutted that EMH is getting cancelled.

[ZeroDegrees]

I'm not sure that the Community guys are the ideal choice for a Cap movie. I love Community but can they pull of a Captain America movie? For one thing, at least it will be a bit humorous.

Personally, I wouldn't be too worried. John Favreau (IRON MAN), Joe Johnston (CAPTAIN AMERICA) and Louis Leterrier (THE INCREDIBLE HULK) don't have the best track records and have their fair share of bad movies yet they did a great job.

[marcvader]

I wish the Russo hiring would be confirmed already so we could get some information from either them or MS.

[M-2]

I'd say his odds of being in Cap 2 just went up quite a bit.

Disney is cancelling A:EMH --- bummer, I know, but it's old news; anyway, they just released a teaser banner for the replacement series due in 2013, and it features the current film lineup of Avengers --- plus one:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/Marvels-The-Avengers-Assemble_Promo.jpg

I think Falcon will be in Cap 2... Chris Evans had a interview a while back in Brazil when a journalist asked him if Falcon will team up with Cap in the sequel, because Cap essentially always has a side-kick/partner, Chris just laughed and said to the guy that he is on the right track...

There was also a article with Fiege back when First Avenger came out where he spoke about the Cap and Falcon teaming up n the 70's, but how that opportunity was missed because Cap comes straight to the present from the 40's...

So I'd assume that Falcon might just be in Cap 2, but will he make the Avengers team?!?!??

[BoredGuy]

It'd be great if Falcon made an appearance
How they explain his abilities in Cap's slightly more grounded corner of the MCU should be interesting too

[marcvader]

It'd be great if Falcon made an appearance
How they explain his abilities in Cap's slightly more grounded corner of the MCU should be interesting too
Well his powers, besides the Redwing and bird telepathy thing, is tech based so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

[ZeroDegrees]

I think Falcon will be in Cap 2... Chris Evans had a interview a while back in Brazil when a journalist asked him if Falcon will team up with Cap in the sequel, because Cap essentially always has a side-kick/partner, Chris just laughed and said to the guy that he is on the right track...

There was also a article with Fiege back when First Avenger came out where he spoke about the Cap and Falcon teaming up n the 70's, but how that opportunity was missed because Cap comes straight to the present from the 40's...

So I'd assume that Falcon might just be in Cap 2, but will he make the Avengers team?!?!??

I think and hope he'll be in Cap 2. No definitive stuff yet but it's likely. Also, Marvel usually plans ahead. They made the show to ride the waves of the Avengers' success (I think) so if Falcon's a possible member in the new show...I wouldn't be surprised if he's in The Avengers 2 as a member (but I HIGHLY doubt it!).

[marcvader]

I wouldn't mind if he were only part of the Cap U the way Warmachine is only in IM movies.

[ZeroDegrees]

I wouldn't mind if he were only part of the Cap U the way Warmachine is only in IM movies.
I feel the same. I wish there were some short references or explanations though. I mean, I have a lot of them in mind, but an actual reference, like a single line would be pretty cool.

A hilariously bad example:
Nick Fury: Where's your partner? We could use him.

Tony Stark: Rhodey's out there doing his military stuff. Besides, I don't want him stealing the show and I wanna avoid the confusion between us. Hmm, actually, I'll trade you Rhodey for the hot Russian spy.

[hafizbat]

Why is A:EMH getting cancelled?? What was wrong with it? I loved it

[cherokeesam]

Why is A:EMH getting cancelled?? What was wrong with it? I loved it

Nothing's wrong with it. And it's been fairly successful, afaik.
It's just that it was made before Avengers: The Movie turned into a juggernaut, and now Marvel wants to do a toon version of Avengers that's more in line with the film version of the team.

[marcvader]

Yeah but this was all in the works months before the movie's release regardless of its success.

[Parker Wayne]

Nothing's wrong with it. And it's been fairly successful, afaik.
It's just that it was made before Avengers: The Movie turned into a juggernaut, and now Marvel wants to do a toon version of Avengers that's more in line with the film version of the team.

And also it's going to hit the 52 episode minimum/limit they seem to have on superhero shows.

Justice League (the first series before unlimited), Batman Beyond, Static Shock, X-Men Evolution and others were only 52 episodes.

[Hawkingbird]

Nothing's wrong with it. And it's been fairly successful, afaik.
It's just that it was made before Avengers: The Movie turned into a juggernaut, and now Marvel wants to do a toon version of Avengers that's more in line with the film version of the team.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy310/patsypoutusXxX/Gifs/GIF.gif

Now that's over, is it just me that is excited about Sebastian Stan signing up for 6 more movies?!

[BH/HHH]

I'd say his odds of being in Cap 2 just went up quite a bit.

Disney is cancelling A:EMH --- bummer, I know, but it's old news; anyway, they just released a teaser banner for the replacement series due in 2013, and it features the current film lineup of Avengers --- plus one:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/Marvels-The-Avengers-Assemble_Promo.jpg

I imagine he's been added for diversity not because he's going to pop it in the film universe.

[Parker Wayne]

If they wanted diversity they could have added Black Panther from the beginning.

[Christopher_M]

throw in Hawkeye and Black Widow along with these two solid characters and Cap 2 will be amazing... tech-based Marvel heroes seem more likely to be included into the Cap franchise.. plus a Black Panther cameo would be a great way to setup the solo adventure.. Falcon (SHIELD Agent) and T'challa would make excellent additions to Avengers 2

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3309/3279479514_c40141a443_b.jpg

[The Watcher]

From MarvelTVNews (http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06/13/exclusive-agent-x-spills-the-bean-on-the-future-of-marvel-animation-and-did-he-just-mention-a-new-x-men-tv-series/) and their article on info provided by a source.

[regarding new Avengers Assemble tv show]

- Falcon was chosen to be in the roster, so that fans get familiarized with the character, before his “certain” appearance in the next phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[Hawkingbird]

throw in Hawkeye and Black Widow along with these two solid characters and Cap 2 will be amazing... tech-based Marvel heroes seem more likely to be included into the Cap franchise.. plus a Black Panther cameo would be a great way to setup the solo adventure.. Falcon (SHIELD Agent) and T'challa would make excellent additions to Avengers 2

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3309/3279479514_c40141a443_b.jpg

OH MY GOD! THEY COULD MAKE A POSTER LIKE THAT FOR THE NEXT MOVIE AND WE'D HAVE BLACK PANTHER AND FALCON AND OH MY GOD....
*collapse*

[TacomaTruck90]

I wonder how there going to pull off Falcon on the big screen don't know much about him but his costume looks a little goofy lol

[DrCosmic]

I always imagine Cap as being given a wing harness that he refuses to use that Sam Wilson remembers at the last minute and uses to help.

[Hawkingbird]

No one still seems to be noticing that Winter Soldier is going to turn up one day :o

[Webfoot Hero]

No one still seems to be noticing that Winter Soldier is going to turn up one day :o
You don't have Bucky show up and then die by falling into an icy body of water if you don't plan on using him again. Plus, I think Sebastian Stan signed a multi-film deal, which probably means they'll use him in other movies.

[RockSP]

I wonder how there going to pull off Falcon on the big screen don't know much about him but his costume looks a little goofy lol

Heh...and Cap doesn't?

[MarvelKnight]

I am interested to see how they will not make falcons wings look flat-out silly. I'm sure they'll do it, but I would love to see the process they will go through to make them look like they are functional within the MCU world.

[MarvelKnight]

I wonder how there going to pull off Falcon on the big screen don't know much about him but his costume looks a little goofy lol

I was just literally thinking the same thing. I am sure we can scratch out the mask, since we know marvel will do anything to make sure no one has them if they can help it. -save IM and Cap(Most of the time that is)

[marcvader]

They can give him a wing harness similar to the Ultimate one. His clothing can be some kind of jumpsuit/under armor combo with some design and color cues from 616, I'd go mostly dark colors with red and white accents. His mask would be something protective needed for flight like hightech goggles.

[cherokeesam]

Yeah, Ultimate Falcon could work easily enough on film:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/Ultimate-Falcon.jpg

[marcvader]

Yup, but I'd comicfy him if you will a bit from just camo bdu's and t.

[babykhris]

I watched the AEMH episode "Winter Soldier" and it got me thinking.

Would the Nick Fury lost his eye because on Winter Soldier story work in the MCU? It could be mentioned and could be a good way to set Winter Soldier up for Cap 3.

[cherokeesam]

I watched the AEMH episode "Winter Soldier" and it got me thinking.

Would the Nick Fury lost his eye because on Winter Soldier story work in the MCU? It could be mentioned and could be a good way to set Winter Soldier up for Cap 3.

If that angle was used, it would have to be addressed immediately....not teasing it for a movie that's years away (and hasn't even been officially announced yet). Once Winter Soldier is introduced, Cap is obviously going to have a meeting with him, Priority One.

[The Ironstar]

OH MY GOD! THEY COULD MAKE A POSTER LIKE THAT FOR THE NEXT MOVIE AND WE'D HAVE BLACK PANTHER AND FALCON AND OH MY GOD....
*collapse*


Wake up luv :grin: :cap:

[The Ironstar]

They can give him a wing harness similar to the Ultimate one. His clothing can be some kind of jumpsuit/under armor combo with some design and color cues from 616, I'd go mostly dark colors with red and white accents. His mask would be something protective needed for flight like hightech goggles.


Well,WB is planing a JLA movie so.................

[Blackman]

I think the SHIELD/Ultimate origin for Falcon would be best

and that made me think of an idea for how to handle the potential introduction of Sharon Carter and Falcon.Carter and Falcon could be two new SHIELD recruits who both look up to Cap

[Hawkingbird]

Yeah, Ultimate Falcon could work easily enough on film:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/Ultimate-Falcon.jpg

I'm really a no goer for the Ultimates, I always feel they should stick with the originals. However, I think in terms of Falcon's costume, it should be that.
Anybody else want Cap back in his original costume in TFA? I really wasn't a fan of his Avengers one.

[MarvelKnight]

I thought that Cap's costume worked just fine during the film. It looked way worse in stills, imho.

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, all they have to do is fix up the helmet a bit more and they'll be fine.

[marcvader]

This is something I did messing around on paint. I wouldn't mind something in this direction for Falcon. I'd give him a ballistics vest like this with his own personal flair over underarmour. I'd also change the BDU's to black are charcoal. I'd also give him some kind of goggles or other protection for flight with cues from his hero mask. What do you guys think?
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/falcon.jpg

[Blackman]

That's pretty good.

I think that it should be more like a SHIELD uniform. I mean I guess Hawkeye and Widow didn't wear the standard SHIELD uniforms, but I'd probably make it more navy/black with a little bit of red as kinda a nod to the 616 comic costume. And I'd remove the two Fs

[marcvader]

I actually want him to be a self financed adventurer/vigilante/mercenary and not a SHIELD operative. I want to go away from having SHIELD have ties to all the heroes we have so far. It would be cool to have Cap being pulled between SHIELD, Sharon Carter, and the civilian, Falcon.

[Blackman]

Oh okay. For me I want him to be a SHIELD agent. I want Falcon and Sharon to kinda be his new age Howling Commandos.
I wouldnt mind them being rookies who have this kinda hero worship thing with Captain America who have Cap's screw the rules I'm doing what's right kinda mentality

[cherokeesam]

I actually want him to be a self financed adventurer/vigilante/mercenary and not a SHIELD operative. I want to go away from having SHIELD have ties to all the heroes we have so far. It would be cool to have Cap being pulled between SHIELD, Sharon Carter, and the civilian, Falcon.

I kinda like that idea.
Know what I'd add to that angle? Suppose, before hooking up with Cap, Wilson goes to Wakanda to train/offer his services to the king. And a grateful T'challa gives him the wings from Wakandan tech.

[Blackman]

Nah i'd have WIlson make he wings on his own. There's not much point to tie him to T'Challa

[BullMcGiveny]

I kind of want him to be a soldier. No wings or a PhD, just a modern day grunt, a Green Beret maybe, who teams up with Cap. Their interactions could illustrate the differences in the meaning of and perception that military has between now and WWII.

But that's just me.

[marcvader]

Then dont bother using Falcon, that'd be a waste.

[Blackman]

yeah that'd be a big waste

[spideymouse]

No one still seems to be noticing that Winter Soldier is going to turn up one day :o

You don't have Bucky show up and then die by falling into an icy body of water if you don't plan on using him again. Plus, I think Sebastian Stan signed a multi-film deal, which probably means they'll use him in other movies.

I watched the AEMH episode "Winter Soldier" and it got me thinking.

Would the Nick Fury lost his eye because on Winter Soldier story work in the MCU? It could be mentioned and could be a good way to set Winter Soldier up for Cap 3.

If that angle was used, it would have to be addressed immediately....not teasing it for a movie that's years away (and hasn't even been officially announced yet). Once Winter Soldier is introduced, Cap is obviously going to have a meeting with him, Priority One.
Yeah, I just watched the two A:EMH episodes featuring Winter Soldier, and I just got that much more excited about his eventual reappearance in future Cap movies. I wasn't so sure how keen MS would be on incorporating character developments that have occurred so recently in comics, but then I realized that IM's triangle chest plate, Maria Hill, and pretty much all of the Ultimates-influenced aspects of the MCU have all come about in the past decade or so.

I'm ready for some Winter Soldier! I'm actually not all that familiar with Brubaker's books (I don't read comics), so can anyone tell me what a good story with WS could be?

[Hawkingbird]

You could read the comics :o

[BullMcGiveny]

Yeah, I just watched the two A:EMH episodes featuring Winter Soldier, and I just got that much more excited about his eventual reappearance in future Cap movies. I wasn't so sure how keen MS would be on incorporating character developments that have occurred so recently in comics, but then I realized that IM's triangle chest plate, Maria Hill, and pretty much all of the Ultimates-influenced aspects of the MCU have all come about in the past decade or so.

I'm ready for some Winter Soldier! I'm actually not all that familiar with Brubaker's books (I don't read comics), so can anyone tell me what a good story with WS could be?
I'd read Brubaker's Captain America from the beginning.

[KalMart]

Aren't they just going to stick with Avengers? They probably should, seeing that Cap I wasn't that good.

[BullMcGiveny]

Aren't they just going to stick with Avengers? They probably should, seeing that Cap I wasn't that good.
I think you'll find that that isn't actually the opinion of most people.

[marcvader]

Aren't they just going to stick with Avengers? They probably should, seeing that Cap I wasn't that good.

:dry:

[cherokeesam]

Taken with large doses of salt, but The Playlist did a major podcast yesterday which, if true, pretty much spoilers the entire Phase II of MCU in large chunks. Very interesting stuff here, and a lot of it is admittedly sketchy, but the guy has alleged insider info on IM3, Thor 2, Hulk 2 (yes, Hulk 2), Avengers 2, Black Panther's possible future in the movies, and Cap 2. Again, LOTS of spoilers, but read at your own risk about the very early outline for Cap 2:


Cap 2:
-Arnim Zola and Winter Soldier main villains. Sebastian Stan apparently signed for multiple movies. There will also be a Russian terrorist group which "may or may not be HYDRA."
-Widow and Hawkeye supporting roles; they might expand upon their relationship.
- Sharon Carter love interest. Marvel apparently wants Hayley Atwell for the role.
-Nick Fury flashbacks with Gen. Ross rivalry
-cast of previous first avenger may return for flashbacks
- early draft was going to introduce Punisher, whose rights have been re-acquired by Marvel Studios (so has Blade, for those of you who might be out of the loop). That angle was scrapped, and Punisher doesn't have a cameo.
- The Russos want to emphasize heavy action in the movie.



For those who want to hear the podcast (again, the most spoilerific of spoilers for a LOT of movies, both Marvel and DC, so listen at your own risk):

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/podcast-the-playlist-talks-wbs-planned-justice-league-movie-and-the-future-for-marvel-movies-post-avengers-20120625

[R_Hythlodeus]

There is not enough salt in this world to take it with those rumors. Taken with large doses of salt, but The Playlist did a major podcast yesterday which, if true, pretty much spoilers the entire Phase II of MCU in large chunks. Very interesting stuff here, and a lot of it is admittedly sketchy, but the guy has alleged insider info on IM3, Thor 2, Hulk 2 (yes, Hulk 2), Avengers 2, Black Panther's possible future in the movies, and Cap 2. Again, LOTS of spoilers, but read at your own risk about the very early outline for Cap 2:


Cap 2:
-Arnim Zola and Winter Soldier main villains. Sebastian Stan apparently signed for multiple movies. There will also be a Russian terrorist group which "may or may not be HYDRA."
-Widow and Hawkeye supporting roles; they might expand upon their relationship.
- Sharon Carter love interest. Marvel apparently wants Hayley Atwell for the role.
-Nick Fury flashbacks with Gen. Ross rivalry
-cast of previous first avenger may return for flashbacks
- early draft was going to introduce Punisher, whose rights have been re-acquired by Marvel Studios (so has Blade, for those of you who might be out of the loop). That angle was scrapped, and Punisher doesn't have a cameo.
- The Russos want to emphasize heavy action in the movie.



For those who want to hear the podcast (again, the most spoilerific of spoilers for a LOT of movies, both Marvel and DC, so listen at your own risk):

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/podcast-the-playlist-talks-wbs-planned-justice-league-movie-and-the-future-for-marvel-movies-post-avengers-20120625

[Young Superman]

I hope they don't make any major changes to the costume. The Cap costume in Avengers was almost perfect.

[BullMcGiveny]

Salt indeed.

I mean it sounds okay, I guess. If true, I'm not happy about Zola or using Hydra again or using Winter Soldier this early.
Taken with large doses of salt, but The Playlist did a major podcast yesterday which, if true, pretty much spoilers the entire Phase II of MCU in large chunks. Very interesting stuff here, and a lot of it is admittedly sketchy, but the guy has alleged insider info on IM3, Thor 2, Hulk 2 (yes, Hulk 2), Avengers 2, Black Panther's possible future in the movies, and Cap 2. Again, LOTS of spoilers, but read at your own risk about the very early outline for Cap 2:


Cap 2:
-Arnim Zola and Winter Soldier main villains. Sebastian Stan apparently signed for multiple movies. There will also be a Russian terrorist group which "may or may not be HYDRA."
-Widow and Hawkeye supporting roles; they might expand upon their relationship.
- Sharon Carter love interest. Marvel apparently wants Hayley Atwell for the role.
-Nick Fury flashbacks with Gen. Ross rivalry
-cast of previous first avenger may return for flashbacks
- early draft was going to introduce Punisher, whose rights have been re-acquired by Marvel Studios (so has Blade, for those of you who might be out of the loop). That angle was scrapped, and Punisher doesn't have a cameo.
- The Russos want to emphasize heavy action in the movie.



For those who want to hear the podcast (again, the most spoilerific of spoilers for a LOT of movies, both Marvel and DC, so listen at your own risk):

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/podcast-the-playlist-talks-wbs-planned-justice-league-movie-and-the-future-for-marvel-movies-post-avengers-20120625

[R_Hythlodeus]

I hope they don't make any major changes to the costume. The Cap costume in Avengers was almost perfect.

Sarcasm. I get it!

[cherokeesam]

Salt indeed.

I mean it sounds okay, I guess. If true, I'm not happy about Zola or using Hydra again or using Winter Soldier this early.

I think HYDRA is pretty much a given....they're the Marvel Universe's most iconic and catch-all generic bad guys, and in the MCU, a reborn HYDRA would have special meaning to Cap. I would've chosen Zemo or Strucker or even Viper to lead the reborn HYDRA, though, but I'm okay with Zola returning. I agree that WS is a little early, though....I'd save him for a post-cred in Cap 2.

[RamseyBoy]

Aren't they just going to stick with Avengers? They probably should, seeing that Cap I wasn't that good.

Actually the Cap movie is widely thought of as the best Marvel solo movie behind Iron Man. And in my opinion, rightly so.

It falls apart towards the end, but the first hour or so is just perfect. It completely nails the Steve Rogers character and Chris Evans gives a really heart felt and nuanced performance.

[BullMcGiveny]

I think HYDRA is pretty much a given....they're the Marvel Universe's most iconic and catch-all generic bad guys, and in the MCU, a reborn HYDRA would have special meaning to Cap. I would've chosen Zemo or Strucker or even Viper to lead the reborn HYDRA, though, but I'm okay with Zola returning. I agree that WS is a little early, though....I'd save him for a post-cred in Cap 2.
Yeah, bit it also makes Cap seem ineffectual. If they want Russian henchmen, they can use Leviathan, or Aleksaner Lukin's Kronas security force. Or AIM. Hydra is more of a SHIELD-antagoist, ayway.

[Webfoot Hero]

Yeah, bit it also makes Cap seem ineffectual. If they want Russian henchmen, they can use Leviathan, or Aleksaner Lukin's Kronas security force. Or AIM. Hydra is more of a SHIELD-antagoist, ayway.
But considering Cap is basically now a SHIELD operative, Hydra makes a lot of sense.

[TacomaTruck90]

Actually the Cap movie is widely thought of as the best Marvel solo movie behind Iron Man. And in my opinion, rightly so.

It falls apart towards the end, but the first hour or so is just perfect. It completely nails the Steve Rogers character and Chris Evans gives a really heart felt and nuanced performance.

Agreeded Captain Americas was my favorite film out of all of them, not to make any excuses but I feel most movies fall apart at the end ( even the avengers ending was a kinda weak despite being a very good overall film) from that podcast it's going to be very interesting if atleast 20% or more is accurate I like ideas of masters of evil that maybe thanos could assemble and build him even more

[marcvader]

I'm not too keen on Thanos using a team. I want to see him fight everyone on his own.

[Hawkingbird]

Oh okay. For me I want him to be a SHIELD agent. I want Falcon and Sharon to kinda be his new age Howling Commandos.
I wouldnt mind them being rookies who have this kinda hero worship thing with Captain America who have Cap's screw the rules I'm doing what's right kinda mentality

Cap being a SHIELD agent would slightly clash with the Civil War story line, but then again they obviously are seperate.

[marcvader]

I doubt Cap is an actual SHIELD agent. He works with SHIELD as he's always done in the comics.

[DarkSovereignty]

Cap being a SHIELD agent would slightly clash with the Civil War story line, but then again they obviously are seperate.
and I doubt they'll use the civil war story in the comics ::knocks on wood;:

[BullMcGiveny]

Cap being a SHIELD agent would slightly clash with the Civil War story line, but then again they obviously are seperate.
Cap has always, up until Civil War actually, been portrayed as an ally of SHIELD and an occasional operative.

Besides, Downey Tony really doesn't seem like he's going to be spearheading the SHRA.

[cherokeesam]

Cap has always, up until Civil War actually, been portrayed as an ally of SHIELD and an occasional operative.

Besides, Downey Tony really doesn't seem like he's going to be spearheading the SHRA.

Yeah, I see no evidence of the MCU even needing a registration act.

[Hawkingbird]

You would need MUCH more characters.

[RamseyBoy]

I'm not too keen on Thanos using a team. I want to see him fight everyone on his own.

Yes Thanos would not need any help to take on the Avengers.

What is all this talk of Civil War? Has there been hints that it will be adapted? I hope not. Why adapt one of the worst Avenger stories in history instead of the countless other brilliant Avenger stories?

[mclay18]

Latino Review reveals that shooting for Captain America 2 will be based in Wilmington, NC after Iron Man 3 completes shooting this fall. But part of it is contingent on North Carolina extending production tax breaks by this Tuesday (http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20120627/ARTICLES/120629723/1002?p=1&tc=pg&tc=ar), or else the credits will expire January 1, 2014.

So if my state extends the tax breaks -- look out NC! Steve Rogers is coming to town.

[cherokeesam]

Latino Review reveals that shooting for Captain America 2 will be based in Wilmington, NC after Iron Man 3 completes shooting this fall. But part of it is contingent on North Carolina extending production tax breaks by this Tuesday (http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20120627/ARTICLES/120629723/1002?p=1&tc=pg&tc=ar), or else the credits will expire January 1, 2014.

So if my state extends the tax breaks -- look out NC! Steve Rogers is coming to town.


If Hayley Atwell shows up in NC, I'm quitting my job and marrying her

[mclay18]

If Hayley Atwell shows up in NC, I'm quitting my job and marrying her

I doubt Atwell will be in the sequel. It'd be cool if she did, because that'd mean they'd shoot some flashbacks in the 1940s and such.

And having Captain America 2 here in NC is tentative right now -- Marvel can always have an accelerated schedule and have the film finished before January 2014 (and avoid the credit expiration deadline). The state is seeing some tourism dollars thanks to The Hunger Games, but I don't know if that's going to be enough to get the credits extended.

And considering the house is controlled by Republicans, it'd be a Hail Mary if the credits got extended. And as soon as the credits expire, the studios are going to go back to New Mexico, Louisiana, NY and everywhere else -- leaving us in the dust like Michigan did when its new governor phased out their huge 42% tax incentive program.

[The Infernal]

Cap has always, up until Civil War actually, been portrayed as an ally of SHIELD and an occasional operative.

Besides, Downey Tony really doesn't seem like he's going to be spearheading the SHRA.

That's why I think that Iron Patriot would make a great substitute (if they ever to actually do the villain in the MCU). You would need to tweak the Civil War storyline though, but then film adaptations usually do that sort of thing. IM3 looks to be a huge departure from Extremis already.

[The Ironstar]

Taken with large doses of salt, but The Playlist did a major podcast yesterday which, if true, pretty much spoilers the entire Phase II of MCU in large chunks. Very interesting stuff here, and a lot of it is admittedly sketchy, but the guy has alleged insider info on IM3, Thor 2, Hulk 2 (yes, Hulk 2), Avengers 2, Black Panther's possible future in the movies, and Cap 2. Again, LOTS of spoilers, but read at your own risk about the very early outline for Cap 2:


Cap 2:
-Arnim Zola and Winter Soldier main villains. Sebastian Stan apparently signed for multiple movies. There will also be a Russian terrorist group which "may or may not be HYDRA."
-Widow and Hawkeye supporting roles; they might expand upon their relationship.
- Sharon Carter love interest. Marvel apparently wants Hayley Atwell for the role.
-Nick Fury flashbacks with Gen. Ross rivalry
-cast of previous first avenger may return for flashbacks
- early draft was going to introduce Punisher, whose rights have been re-acquired by Marvel Studios (so has Blade, for those of you who might be out of the loop). That angle was scrapped, and Punisher doesn't have a cameo.
- The Russos want to emphasize heavy action in the movie.



For those who want to hear the podcast (again, the most spoilerific of spoilers for a LOT of movies, both Marvel and DC, so listen at your own risk):

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/podcast-the-playlist-talks-wbs-planned-justice-league-movie-and-the-future-for-marvel-movies-post-avengers-20120625

Hey,I've been trying to find that playlist Ep.1. Did y know how to get Ep 1?

[Pepsiguy2]

I want Yvonne Strahovski to play Sharon Carter. I don't think Atwell should play her at all.

[BullMcGiveny]

I want Yvonne Strahovski to play Sharon Carter. I don't think Atwell should play her at all.
If Atwell doesn't play her, then they can't be identical.

If they're not identical, the familial relationship no longer serves its purpose.

[Blackman]

I hope Atwell doesnt player Sharon

[cherokeesam]

If Atwell doesn't play her, then they can't be identical.

If they're not identical, the familial relationship no longer serves its purpose.

I don't know if I'd go that far.
There's probably three generations that separate Peggy Carter from Sharon. She won't be her "niece" like in the comics (Peggy Carter's niece would've been born in the 40s or 50s, and thus be 60-70 years old today)....more like her GREAT-GRANDniece.

Realistically, the family resemblance would be almost unnoticeable.

[BullMcGiveny]

Well, the canon explanation is that Peggy's brother was much younger than her, and that he had Sharon late in life.

So if we say that Peggy's brother was born in 1940 and he had Sharon when he was in his forties, the timeline works.

[cherokeesam]

Well, the canon explanation is that Peggy's brother was much younger than her, and that he had Sharon late in life.

So if we say that Peggy's brother was born in 1940 and he had Sharon when he was in his forties, the timeline works.

That adds up, but *highly* unusual for Peggy's situation. A 20something's 40+ year old mom having another kid isn't that uncommon in modern times, but with the low quality of medical care in the late 30s/early 40s, it was virtually unheard of.

[BullMcGiveny]

Well, it could have been a step mom, but fair enough. At the most, Sharon would be a grand-niece.

[OrangeCloud]

Whaaaat? Give me my Punisher cameo, damn you!

[Hawkingbird]

If Punisher were to appear I think he would in a SHIELD movie.

[Spider-Fan]

If Atwell doesn't play her, then they can't be identical.

If they're not identical, the familial relationship no longer serves its purpose.

Ummmm...no it doesn't. I don't see the point in using Atwell again. She had her time in the sun. Let Cap fall in love with someone who isn't basically modern Peggy. Cap needs to move on from the past, which includes a woman who doesn't look like Peggy. The familial relationship can maybe add a spark, but that shouldn't be what makes him gravitate toward her. She is her own woman, and needs her own actress.

[spideymouse]

Ummmm...no it doesn't. I don't see the point in using Atwell again. She had her time in the sun. Let Cap fall in love with someone who isn't basically modern Peggy. Cap needs to move on from the past, which includes a woman who doesn't look like Peggy. The familial relationship can maybe add a spark, but that shouldn't be what makes him gravitate toward her. She is her own woman, and needs her own actress.

Yeah, I agree about having a new actress. I've posted my thoughts on this before in this thread, but I'll reiterate: I'm excited watch Cap find himself dealing with a 21st century, modern day woman who absolutely throws him for a loop with her knowledge of technology, the Internet, how America (and the world) has changed, and her experiences growing up in the 80s/90s/2000s, etc. That relationship dynamic is going to be paramount to Cap eventually finding his place in the modern world. Sure, I think any new love interest for Cap should remind him of his first love in some ways (it happens to everyone), but certainly the different character will require a different actress.

That said, I'd love to see more Hayley Atwell in flashbacks.

[BullMcGiveny]

Ummmm...no it doesn't. I don't see the point in using Atwell again. She had her time in the sun. Let Cap fall in love with someone who isn't basically modern Peggy. Cap needs to move on from the past, which includes a woman who doesn't look like Peggy. The familial relationship can maybe add a spark, but that shouldn't be what makes him gravitate toward her. She is her own woman, and needs her own actress.
Aaaand once again, the reason they were family in the comics is to explain why the two looked alike.

If they don't look alike, they might as well change her to be unrelated to Peggy.

[Blackman]

Ummmm...no it doesn't. I don't see the point in using Atwell again. She had her time in the sun. Let Cap fall in love with someone who isn't basically modern Peggy. Cap needs to move on from the past, which includes a woman who doesn't look like Peggy. The familial relationship can maybe add a spark, but that shouldn't be what makes him gravitate toward her. She is her own woman, and needs her own actress.

I pretty much agree. Make Sharon her own person. S

I'm fine with Peggy and Sharon being related like in the comics, but don't make her look exactly the same. Personality similar? Fine. Peggy and Sharon are related? Fine. But to be identical...idk. I think it's saying that the only reason Cap likes her is because she looks the same as Peggy. If she looks *like* Peggy then Cap could be reminded of her still without casting the same actress.

ANd besides that, I know it's a CBM with aliens, green monsters, etc. but I just cant buy that someone's granddaughter looks exactly like the grandmother. I just cant. I think the last time I saw that was a while back in a Disney CHannel movie with the Sister, Sister girls.

[Spider-Fan]

Aaaand once again, the reason they were family in the comics is to explain why the two looked alike.

If they don't look alike, they might as well change her to be unrelated to Peggy.

Why? RDJ didn't play Howard Stark, and by your logic, we can argue the same point on why they didn't just make him another scientist. I think the logic behind Atwell having to play Sharon because of looks is very flawed logic.

[BullMcGiveny]

Why? RDJ didn't play Howard Stark, and by your logic, we can argue the same point on why they didn't just make him another scientist. I think the logic behind Atwell having to play Sharon because of looks is very flawed logic.
Because Steve wasn't romantically involved with Howard nor will he be with Tony, and because no one ever said they looked identical.

There is an ick-factor related to the Steve/Sharon pairing. He doesn't really fall for her because she's related to Peggy (her relationship to Peggy is something that wasn't revealed until years after they'd been dating), he falls for her based on her own merits.

Without the familial resemblance, the familial relation would be just a creepy factor attached to an otherwise standard romance.

Them being related is pretty much a relic, the kind of thing no one would get away with introducing today, and it only persists because it was introduced by Steve Englehart in 1973.

I just think it's one of those things where they should either go all the way or not at all.

[TheVileOne]

He gets Sharon Carter as a consolation prize ;) .

[Hawkingbird]

It would be silly to see the same actress play Sharron, just because you guys want to see Hayley ;)

[The Infernal]

He gets Sharon Carter as a consolation prize ;) .

I must go to more Raffles.

It would be silly to see the same actress play Sharron, just because you guys want to see Hayley ;)

I disagree. I could explain why, but I'm a bit tired. :oldrazz:

[BullMcGiveny]

It would be silly to see the same actress play Sharron, just because you guys want to see Hayley ;)
How about that because they're meant to look just like each other in the comics and that resemblance is an important plot point?

[Radioactive1980]

How about that because they're meant to look just like each other in the comics and that resemblance is an important plot point?

How 'Bout No Scott??

[TikkiEXX]

the official name is Captain America 2: Winter Soldier.

[Webfoot Hero]

the official name is Captain America 2: Winter Soldier.
All but confirms what most were expecting for this movie, although I thought they would have disguised the plot a little better with the title.

[kaijunexus]

Actually, I think they're dropping the "2" in the title...

It's just "Captain America: The Winter Soldier".

[Sawyer]

So, Sebastian Stan will be back, I take it?

[Webfoot Hero]

So, Sebastian Stan will be back, I take it?
Figures he would since he signed a 6-picture deal with Marvel and we never actually saw him die, just assumed. I'm kind of hoping that maybe ScarJo/BW will appear and have some type of history/experience with WS.

[scifiwolf]

Kinda wish they would have gone the Indiana Jones route with he title and called it Captain America and the Winter Soldier. While he's in present day now, I think a nod to a serial format is appropriate for Steve as a character.

[terry78]

We knew it was coming.

[Tvar10]

I hope it's done right. Bucky is one heck of a character and he was very underwhelming in The First Avenger.

[Kommander]

Even though I somewhat had a feeling that the sequel would involve Bucky in some way....I'm still goddamn excited for this. I really hope they do the Winter Soldier justice. Looking forward to this, but 2014 can't come any sooner!

[DarthSkywalker]

It feels weird that they "killed" Bucky, just to bring him back in the next film.

[Crimson King]

I'm surprised they're pulling WS for the second movie, but I can't wait to see it.

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm surprised they're pulling WS for the second movie, but I can't wait to see it.

That's my reaction.

They barely showed their friendship in the first one. I figured they'd at least show some flashbacks to what he was missing in the sequel.

[Webfoot Hero]

I'm surprised they're pulling WS for the second movie, but I can't wait to see it.
Seems a little soon to make him the main plot for the next movie. I expected them to sort of allude to Bucky/WS being alive and making assassinations that SHIELD and Cap would need to solve.

[Belvedere]

Glad they've gone the Winter Soldier route although I understand the misgivings at the lack of attention Bucky/Cap's relationship was given the first time around. Hope they'll see to that during the first half of the second film.

[scifiwolf]

I wonder if IM3 is going the extremis route, if that will play a role in Bucky's arm prosthesis? It seems like an obvious thread to tie the two together without necessarily being a blatant Avengers 2 setup.

[BullMcGiveny]

Disappointed they're going the Winter Soldier route so soon. It just seems they'd have made that the Endgame, you know?

[Dark Raven]

I'm surprised they're pulling WS for the second movie, but I can't wait to see it.

Me too. It doesn't seem like he's been built up enough. Maybe they're going to start having some cameos by him in various films otherwise he won't really seem like this mysterious assassin who has been showing up.

He didn't seem to have as much impact in The First Avenger as he should have. Will the general audience even remember him and what he was meant to mean to Cap?

[LostSon88]

It feels weird that they "killed" Bucky, just to bring him back in the next film.

Well it is part of the origin of Winter Soldier...that his body is found and he is resurrected.

[terry78]

Steve and Bucky were buddies before the whole thing happened for the most part, it was just assumed from their rapport. It will definitely hit him pretty hard.

[Dark Raven]

I think they should put the "2" back in the title. Audiences might get confused and think that "The Winter Soldier" refers to Cap (like the First Avenger did) whereas Captain America 2 puts a little break in that sentence and makes "The Winter Soldier" more of a subtitle than it currently sounds.

[The Sage]

They're jumping right into Winter Soldier off the back. Kinda shocked. I really hope they nail it.

[Webfoot Hero]

I think they should put the "2" back in the title. Audiences might get confused and think that "The Winter Soldier" refers to Cap (like the First Avenger did) whereas Captain America 2 puts a little break in that sentence and makes "The Winter Soldier" more of a subtitle than it currently sounds.
I was thinking that as well when I first saw it. Makes it seem like Cap is Winter Soldier. They could have done something like "Ghosts of War" or "Red Winter" to reference WS' Russian ties or reappearance.

[LostSon88]

I think they should put the "2" back in the title. Audiences might get confused and think that "The Winter Soldier" refers to Cap (like the First Avenger did) whereas Captain America 2 puts a little break in that sentence and makes "The Winter Soldier" more of a subtitle than it currently sounds.

I really doubt general audiences would make such a distinction.

And even if they did, I doubt they'd really care.

[OrangeCloud]

I think they should put the "2" back in the title. Audiences might get confused and think that "The Winter Soldier" refers to Cap (like the First Avenger did) whereas Captain America 2 puts a little break in that sentence and makes "The Winter Soldier" more of a subtitle than it currently sounds.

That is, until they actually watch the movie and hear Bucky referred to as The Winter Soldier. :'D