Hank Pym

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Seeing as we haven't seen him in the movies yet who would you cast?

Sean Maher would make a great Hank Pym IMO.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Sean_Maher_at_2005_flanvention_1.jpg/220px-Sean_Maher_at_2005_flanvention_1.jpg

what do you think

[Alexei Belyakov]

Nathan Fillion's the man for the job. Specially if ANT-MAN gets pushed back to Phase III & Whedon decides to introduce Pym in Avengers 2. Whedon's known for bringing in his own people (Poitier) & Fillion's like a brother to the guy. I've wanted Fillion for Pym since 2007 when I heard an Avengers franchise was in the works. His career as an actor has basically been an exercise in how to be geeky whilst badass.

[Angamb]

I was just going to create the Official Ant-Man/Hank Pym thread :jedi :woot:

(would be nice if a mod change the tittle, hehe)

Ive seen some interesting suggestions on other boards, will post them tomorrow :oldrazz:

[OptimusPrime114]

I nominate Ewan McGregor for Hank Pym!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TFSsw4iI-5g/TxUNdhSZ7MI/AAAAAAAAWm4/j2drZyPx5o8/s1600/ewanmcgregor_want.jpg

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

i say give hank a cameo in Cap 2 as S.H.I.E.L.D.'S tech guy. he could be like Q from the bond films, have him out fit cap for his mission. a nice bit would be cap picking up the ant-man helmet and asking what it does. Hank would show him by having the ants spell "hello Steve" on the table.

[DrCosmic]

Jason Bateman's hard to beat for me.

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Jason Bateman's hard to beat for me.
i just don't see it

[Venom 1988]

Nathan Fillion's the man for the job. Specially if ANT-MAN gets pushed back to Phase III & Whedon decides to introduce Pym in Avengers 2. Whedon's known for bringing in his own people (Poitier) & Fillion's like a brother to the guy. I've wanted Fillion for Pym since 2007 when I heard an Avengers franchise was in the works. His career as an actor has basically been an exercise in how to be geeky whilst badass.

I'm guessing you didn't see his recent statement where he said he wasn't interested in playing Ant-Man.

[Angamb]

on other board someone suggested Simon Baker, from The mentalist

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http://images.smh.com.au/ftsmh/ffximage/2009/03/18/Simon_narrowweb__300x386,0.jpg
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and curiously, look who appeared on The mentalist with him:

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thoughts?

[R_Hythlodeus]

I could see Martin Freeman in that role. Idk why, but somehow a Brit works best for Pym. At least in my head.

[henzINNIT]

^ Hmmm, I could see Freeman doing a pretty good job actually.

I like the idea of him being a scientist in Cap 2 as well. That would be a nice, natural way to bring him into the fold.

Fillion would be my first choice no doubt, but he's not interested.

[cherokeesam]

on other board someone suggested Simon Baker, from The mentalist

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mwsagO0LAjE/SUr247LjRUI/AAAAAAAAAL0/qcqEZzwbHy4/s400/Simon-Baker-05.jpg
http://estrenos-de-cine.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/er.jpg
http://images.smh.com.au/ftsmh/ffximage/2009/03/18/Simon_narrowweb__300x386,0.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wfYFGtQ2WIY/TyVRWW-88PI/AAAAAAAAAXg/wnPA0yl-oY8/s1600/simon_baker_narrowweb__300x423,0.jpg

and curiously, look who appeared on The mentalist with him:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjAzMTMyNDI2MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzQ2MTE0Nw@@._ V1._SX640_SY425_.jpg

thoughts?


****, I like that call. And make him a Brit, instead of trying to Americanize him. Not all the Marvel heroes have to be from New York City.

[Alexei Belyakov]

Fillion saying he's not interested in playing Pym is even more of a reason for me to remain hopeful about his casting. Christian Bale & Thomas Jane said they weren't interested in Bruce Wayne or Frank Castle several times before being cast. Same goes for Edward Norton & Mickey Rourke (regarding both Marv & Whiplash).

[chamber-music]

Lee Pace has worked his way up to be my favouite choice for Hank Pym.

Johnny Lee Miller has also been an actor I wouldn't mind in the roll.

I never really saw Nathan Fillion as Hank Pym to be honest before he said he didn't want to play the character.

Not sure if people want him as they are a fan of his or Whedons or they want to see him as a live action superhero because I never got a Pym vibe about him. Fillion would make a much better live action Hal Jordan.

Jason Bateman I could see as perhaps Scott Lang or Eric O'Grady.

[Angamb]

****, I like that call. And make him a Brit, instead of trying to Americanize him. Not all the Marvel heroes have to be from New York City.

Im liking the idea of him as Pym. He wont be the best actor in the world, but Im sure he can pull the role perfectly if he takes it seriously, like the rest of the avengers cast has done.

so its not a big deal.

[Boom]

Someone suggested Adam Scott. I could get behind that :up:.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Premiere%2BOf%2BLeap%2BYear%2BArrivals%2BaU3vh2wMW yOl.jpg

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Nathan Fillion just doesn't have the smart guy feel to him. He is a leader and a smart ass but i just dont seeing him as a tech guy or a scientist.

[BatsDC]

Nathan Fillion or Bradley Cooper for me.

[Eddie Dean]

Someone suggested Adam Scott. I could get behind that :up:.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Premiere%2BOf%2BLeap%2BYear%2BArrivals%2BaU3vh2wMW yOl.jpg
Me!!!

[Angamb]

Nathan Fillion just doesn't have the smart guy feel to him. He is a leader and a smart ass but i just dont seeing him as a tech guy or a scientist.

definetly agree.

That's why I dont like most of current suggestions.

[antonydelfini]

Not really familiar with Hank Pym. All I know is that he hit Janet. Aside from being smart, what are his other personality traits?

[The Question]

Not really familiar with Hank Pym. All I know is that he hit Janet. Aside from being smart, what are his other personality traits?

He's really stoic. He considers himself to be more of a scientist than a super hero and is only really urged to be a super hero when there's a crisis scenario where he can be of help. He is uncomfortable with violence and danger. He's bi-polar and often forgets to medicate himself when he's under stress. He suffers from anxiety and feelings of inadequacy, and has a bad habit of addling himself with feelings of guilt over every bad thing that's ever happened that he was even remotely involved in.

In the comics, most of that stuff came to a head in two separate psychotic episodes in as many years (in-universe), the later involving the infamous wife-punching (as well as attempting to kill a super villain who was surrendering and letting a killer robot loose on Avengers Mansion in a deluded Munchausen-By-Proxy scheme to prove that he's a hero, but people tend to forget that part). After that his marriage fell apart, he left the team, became a homeless drunk for a while, then sought psychiatric treatment, cleaned himself up, returned to the team to serve as mission control for the West Coast Avengers, and slowly reconciled his relationship with Janet as he put his life back together.

But that wouldn't happen yet in the movies obviously, so in the film canon it'd probably boil down to "shy idealistic intellectual struggling with mental illness."

[mocomic]

if whedon likes "his" people
would Fred from angel be a wasp candidate, shes a little pixie
or Sarah Michelle Gellar?

[The Question]

if whedon likes "his" people
would Fred from angel be a wasp candidate, shes a little pixie
or Sarah Michelle Gellar?

He likes his people, but he doesn't like casting them as characters that are like their previous ones. He liked to take use of their versatility as actors. Like, when Amy Acker, who played Fred, appeared in Dollhouse, her character was as un-Fred as possible. While Wasp isn't especially Fred like, there's enough of a similarity that I doubt Joss would feel inclined toward that casting.

And SMG seems to want to avoid doing things even a little like Buffy to avoid typecasting, which I can respect. So, any super-hero like role would probably be out.

[antonydelfini]

He's really stoic. He considers himself to be more of a scientist than a super hero and is only really urged to be a super hero when there's a crisis scenario where he can be of help. He is uncomfortable with violence and danger. He's bi-polar and often forgets to medicate himself when he's under stress. He suffers from anxiety and feelings of inadequacy, and has a bad habit of addling himself with feelings of guilt over every bad thing that's ever happened that he was even remotely involved in.

In the comics, most of that stuff came to a head in two separate psychotic episodes in as many years (in-universe), the later involving the infamous wife-punching (as well as attempting to kill a super villain who was surrendering and letting a killer robot loose on Avengers Mansion in a deluded Munchausen-By-Proxy scheme to prove that he's a hero, but people tend to forget that part). After that his marriage fell apart, he left the team, became a homeless drunk for a while, then sought psychiatric treatment, cleaned himself up, returned to the team to serve as mission control for the West Coast Avengers, and slowly reconciled his relationship with Janet as he put his life back together.

But that wouldn't happen yet in the movies obviously, so in the film canon it'd probably boil down to "shy idealistic intellectual struggling with mental illness."

Thanks a lot for that man. Really appreciate all that info. Question about his mental illness, did he have that illness when Stan Lee was handlint him or was it just a specific writer who gave him that? Did he and Janet really have a bad relationship from the start or was it just ruined by a specific writer? Cause I really dont know if being a bipolar guy is essential to the character. The only thing Ive read of Pym is the Thor Mighty Avenge. Guest appearance by Langridge and Samnee. He seems to be wholesome and well adjusted person there and he and Janet gets along well in that comic.

[The Question]

Thanks a lot for that man. Really appreciate all that info. Question about his mental illness, did he have that illness when Stan Lee was handlint him or was it just a specific writer who gave him that? Did he and Janet really have a bad relationship from the start or was it just ruined by a specific writer? Cause I really dont know if being a bipolar guy is essential to the character. The only thing Ive read of Pym is the Thor Mighty Avenge. Guest appearance by Langridge and Samnee. He seems to be wholesome and well adjusted person there and he and Janet gets along well in that comic.

The mental illness was not originally apart of the character. That came about under the pen of Roy Thomas, who wrote the story of his first psychotic episode. Basically, massive stress and anxiety combined with his own insecurities and guilt over his robot, Ultron, turning evil and killing people, culminated in him entering a dissociative fugue, which is a fancy way of saying amnesia coupled with a new, adopted persona molded around the circumstances her was in. That was his first bout of mental illness, and it came more or less out of nowhere. The handling of his mental illness didn't start off as being super well explained or realistic (in the original comic it was just "overwork + guilt + wacky chemicals = crazy"), but over the years the diagnosis of bi-polar disorder has sprung up as a means of tying it together in a slightly more realistic fashion (as extreme cases of bi-polar disorder, usually coupled with outside stressors, can and have resulted in dissociative episodes somewhat like the ones Hank has had in real life).

Also, Hank and Janet didn't have a bad relationship from the start and I think it's important to stress that their relationship is not an example of domestic abuse as it is classified. He struck her exactly once during a mental breakdown where he would have struck anyone who had been near him at the time. It was never an issue of power or dominance, and his grasp of reality was tenuous at best at the time. The reason for their rocky relationship since then, despite his full recovery and her forgiving him for it, is really just because it's just this awkward thing hanging between them and Hank, to a degree, won't allow himself to forget it happened.

Him being a wholesome guy who cared very deeply about his wife is a huge part of whop he is and it's who he was from the start. But his struggle with mental illness, while not originally apart of who he was, has become apart of who he was and is part of what makes him distinct. He's a guy who has days where he'd rather lie in bed until he dies instead of face the world, but he does it anyway. He has this feeling, deep inside, which he can't control, that what he does isn't ever good enough, that he's not anything special, that he's always alone. No matter how big he may get as Giant Man, he always feels small, which is why he's probably more comfortable as Ant-Man, because when he's tiny he can hide and be clever and not be exposed to the world. But with the exception of the two aforementioned episodes (which were under very extreme circumstances involving explosions and killer robots), he isn't crippled by these feelings. Even after this stuff happened to him, he's almost always drawn in the comics smiling. He goes about his day, he sees his friends, he lives his life and he does great works, but he's always carrying this weight along the way. There's always this hint of despair. And dealing with that, living in spite of it, is part of what motivates him. Personally, I think it makes him very interesting and kind of sad, but in a good way as far as stories are concerned.

[The Question]

Also, pretty much all of his serious mental problems came about after Ultron. Ultron, being the artificial intelligence he created based on his own personality that turned evil and tried to murder him and take Janet as his wife, killing a whole bunch of innocent people in the process. Before Ultron, Hank was a wholesome, stoic, idealistic scientist with a tendency towards depression and low self esteem who wasn't super comfortable with being a super hero and had a hard time expressing himself or relating people. The fact that his "son" who's personality was based on his grew up to be Robot-Hitler didn't really help the self esteem problems and added on about a solid metric ton of guilt. His two psychotic episodes happened after that, and were a result of his guilt eating away at him and the new, impossibly high standards he put on himself to deal with said guilt.

[antonydelfini]

Also, pretty much all of his serious mental problems came about after Ultron. Ultron, being the artificial intelligence he created based on his own personality that turned evil and tried to murder him and take Janet as his wife, killing a whole bunch of innocent people in the process. Before Ultron, Hank was a wholesome, stoic, idealistic scientist with a tendency towards depression and low self esteem who wasn't super comfortable with being a super hero and had a hard time expressing himself or relating people. The fact that his "son" who's personality was based on his grew up to be Robot-Hitler didn't really help the self esteem problems and added on about a solid metric ton of guilt. His two psychotic episodes happened after that, and were a result of his guilt eating away at him and the new, impossibly high standards he put on himself to deal with said guilt.

I like that bolded part a lot. That's all we need to see in the Avengers or his solo movie. I don't think we need to see him being diagnosed as having a mental illness or hitting his wife to show his personality. I hope we get a new ongoing series starring Hank Pym so I could learn more about the character. And I hope it's the Ant-Man identity. I'm definitely interested with this character.

[The Question]

I like that bolded part a lot. That's all we need to see in the Avengers or his solo movie. I don't think we need to see him being diagnosed as having a mental illness or hitting his wife to show his personality. I hope we get a new ongoing series starring Hank Pym so I could learn more about the character. And I hope it's the Ant-Man identity. I'm definitely interested with this character.

Well, again, you really need Ultron to start the ball rolling for his breakdown. I'm all for Hank going crazy because that's a cool story that leads to cool stuff. But Ultron has to come first, and that won't be for a while, so there's no way that's the guy he'll be the first time he shows up.

[ЯɘvlveR]

****, I like that call. And make him a Brit, instead of trying to Americanize him. Not all the Marvel heroes have to be from New York City.

he is an american so there wouldn't be any "americanizing".

[Hypestyle]

so how often would Hank even have to "giant out"? it would have to be selectively used like the Hulk..

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

so how often would Hank even have to "giant out"? it would have to be selectively used like the Hulk..
in the avengers it would be have to be or whats the point of having the power if hes using it all the time. it would be like cap using his shield for opening bottles and changing the tv station.

[Anubis]

The mental illness was not originally apart of the character. That came about under the pen of Roy Thomas, who wrote the story of his first psychotic episode. Basically, massive stress and anxiety combined with his own insecurities and guilt over his robot, Ultron, turning evil and killing people, culminated in him entering a dissociative fugue, which is a fancy way of saying amnesia coupled with a new, adopted persona molded around the circumstances her was in. That was his first bout of mental illness, and it came more or less out of nowhere. The handling of his mental illness didn't start off as being super well explained or realistic (in the original comic it was just "overwork + guilt + wacky chemicals = crazy"), but over the years the diagnosis of bi-polar disorder has sprung up as a means of tying it together in a slightly more realistic fashion (as extreme cases of bi-polar disorder, usually coupled with outside stressors, can and have resulted in dissociative episodes somewhat like the ones Hank has had in real life).

Also, Hank and Janet didn't have a bad relationship from the start and I think it's important to stress that their relationship is not an example of domestic abuse as it is classified. He struck her exactly once during a mental breakdown where he would have struck anyone who had been near him at the time. It was never an issue of power or dominance, and his grasp of reality was tenuous at best at the time. The reason for their rocky relationship since then, despite his full recovery and her forgiving him for it, is really just because it's just this awkward thing hanging between them and Hank, to a degree, won't allow himself to forget it happened.

Him being a wholesome guy who cared very deeply about his wife is a huge part of whop he is and it's who he was from the start. But his struggle with mental illness, while not originally apart of who he was, has become apart of who he was and is part of what makes him distinct. He's a guy who has days where he'd rather lie in bed until he dies instead of face the world, but he does it anyway. He has this feeling, deep inside, which he can't control, that what he does isn't ever good enough, that he's not anything special, that he's always alone. No matter how big he may get as Giant Man, he always feels small, which is why he's probably more comfortable as Ant-Man, because when he's tiny he can hide and be clever and not be exposed to the world. But with the exception of the two aforementioned episodes (which were under very extreme circumstances involving explosions and killer robots), he isn't crippled by these feelings. Even after this stuff happened to him, he's almost always drawn in the comics smiling. He goes about his day, he sees his friends, he lives his life and he does great works, but he's always carrying this weight along the way. There's always this hint of despair. And dealing with that, living in spite of it, is part of what motivates him. Personally, I think it makes him very interesting and kind of sad, but in a good way as far as stories are concerned.

Also, pretty much all of his serious mental problems came about after Ultron. Ultron, being the artificial intelligence he created based on his own personality that turned evil and tried to murder him and take Janet as his wife, killing a whole bunch of innocent people in the process. Before Ultron, Hank was a wholesome, stoic, idealistic scientist with a tendency towards depression and low self esteem who wasn't super comfortable with being a super hero and had a hard time expressing himself or relating people. The fact that his "son" who's personality was based on his grew up to be Robot-Hitler didn't really help the self esteem problems and added on about a solid metric ton of guilt. His two psychotic episodes happened after that, and were a result of his guilt eating away at him and the new, impossibly high standards he put on himself to deal with said guilt.


:up:

[Brian Braddock]

Simon Baker for Pym, all the way.

[Angamb]

Simon Baker for Pym, all the way.

nice! :woot: