View Full Version : Wolverine's Mask
Picard Sisko
05-29-2012, 05:35 PM
Even if it just makes a cameo, or lasts five seconds in the movie, I really want to see Wolverine wear his mask. It is just so iconic, I really want to see it on screen at least once in the movie. Does anyone feel the same way?
If you do want the mask, which would you prefer? The yellow and blue or tan and brown version? I think for the movie it should be tan and brown, since it feels more gritty and believable.
MarvelKnight
05-30-2012, 04:58 PM
I've always liked the Yellow and Blue, but I wouldn't mind either.
I think they should show different suits for different situations..I wouldn't mind seeing his Uncanny X-force suit and/or mask as well.
Picard Sisko
05-30-2012, 06:33 PM
I don't know if I would want to see wolverine in a mask for 2 hours (and the way movies are being made now, heroes are ALWAYS taking off their masks). However, even if it would just make a cameo lol... I WANT TO SEE HIS MASK! :D
S. Grundy
05-30-2012, 07:26 PM
Even if there was a decent narrative purpose for him to wear his mask in the movie, it's still just too ridiculous looking.
Picard Sisko
05-30-2012, 09:55 PM
Even if there was a decent narrative purpose for him to wear his mask in the movie, it's still just too ridiculous looking.
But his mask is so iconic, it would be awesome just to see it at least once in the movies. And maybe it gets torn or something so then he loses it and you never see it again.
psylockolussus
06-02-2012, 12:53 PM
I don't really see Wolverine wearing the mask in his next movie. I expect him to wear casual or samurai clothes.
Picard Sisko
06-02-2012, 01:00 PM
I don't really see Wolverine wearing the mask in his next movie. I expect him to wear casual or samurai clothes.
Why samurai? I don't like the idea of this movie taking place in Japan. Reminds me of Elektra...
BlueLightning
06-02-2012, 01:03 PM
Could they work something out of the samurai theme?. I don't know much about japanese culture, but couldn't they show some sort of mask that resembles the comic book counterpart? I still got to read the Claremont-Miller series, but I don't know. Should be fun to see the mask, if only as an easter egg.
def28
06-02-2012, 03:12 PM
Id like to see the mask, either the brown or X Force black. Theres a way for it to work. Eventually someone will add it.
S. Grundy
06-02-2012, 04:22 PM
Could they work something out of the samurai theme?. I don't know much about japanese culture, but couldn't they show some sort of mask that resembles the comic book counterpart? I still got to read the Claremont-Miller series, but I don't know. Should be fun to see the mask, if only as an easter egg.
No, Samurai masks only cover the mouths. There would be no reason to do a reverse on that.
x-fan
06-02-2012, 04:53 PM
I get so sick of " it would look weird or out of place, they need a good reason to do it and ect... the only reason they need is he has worn one from day one in the comics and since it is a comic movie there it is. If it is well done and can be made to look good, and I know it can be, on a Hollywood budget. i should be in the movie, never the yellow and blue, black costume nor that mask, but brown and tan or grey and black would look awesome, the ears do not have to be huge .
Picard Sisko
06-02-2012, 04:53 PM
Now that X-Men: First Class includes the yellow uniforms, its possible we could get a mask for Wolverine.
"what would you prefer, yellow spandex"?- cyclops
S. Grundy
06-02-2012, 06:05 PM
What looks good on the page, might not look good on the screen though. And frankly Wolverine's costume is too ridiculous to do live action. The yellow and blue costumes worked in First Class worked, because they were flight suits and so there was a purpose for the team to wear them.
Picard Sisko
06-02-2012, 06:50 PM
What looks good on the page, might not look good on the screen though. And frankly Wolverine's costume is too ridiculous to do live action. The yellow and blue costumes worked in First Class worked, because they were flight suits and so there was a purpose for the team to wear them.
As I mentioned earlier, he doesn't have to wear the mask for the entire film. Even if it was a cameo or something. heck, maybe its sitting on a table in the background?
psylockolussus
06-03-2012, 12:26 PM
Why samurai? I don't like the idea of this movie taking place in Japan. Reminds me of Elektra...
I think I've seen Wolverine wearing a Samurai outfit, maybe it was in the comics or in the cartoons.
Hugh Jackman would look fantastic in a Samurai outfit.
Picard Sisko
06-04-2012, 11:19 AM
I definitely want to see them do something different with wolverine, that's why I would like to see him in his costume. If it was done right, imagine how awesome it would look!
BH/HHH
06-05-2012, 08:30 AM
I definitely want to see them do something different with wolverine, that's why I would like to see him in his costume. If it was done right, imagine how awesome it would look!
I've been wondering how they could do it, they'd have to use dark colours I don't think you could do the yellow and blue. Maybe the orange tan could work.
S. Grundy
06-05-2012, 11:29 PM
It wouldn't work in any color.
Picard Sisko
06-05-2012, 11:44 PM
It wouldn't work in any color.
I would at least like to see some concept art for what it could look like. I'm sure they considered making a Wolverine mask before for the previous films, and had some designs during the planning stages.
S. Grundy
06-06-2012, 09:53 PM
They did, and they dropped it because it didn't that good, and there was no logical reason for him to wear a mask when no one else on the team did.
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/6255/wolvie2wh7.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/2706/wolviecx6.jpg
Picard Sisko
06-06-2012, 09:59 PM
They did, and they dropped it because it didn't that good, and there was no logical reason for him to wear a mask when no one else on the team did.
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/6255/wolvie2wh7.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/2706/wolviecx6.jpg
Well those designs suck, they could have come up with better than that.
BlueLightning
06-07-2012, 12:37 PM
I don't know, it look kinda good. But yes, I guess there was no reason for Wolverine to wear a mask. Now if they manage to give him a mask in a somewhat samurai/japanese fashion...
Picard Sisko
06-07-2012, 05:54 PM
They could have given him a mask in the X-Men origins film. When he teamed up with William Stryker, they could have had him wear a mask to protect his identity, and made uniforms for their team. But maybe the samurai idea could really work...
S. Grundy
06-08-2012, 02:10 AM
I don't know, it look kinda good. But yes, I guess there was no reason for Wolverine to wear a mask. Now if they manage to give him a mask in a somewhat samurai/japanese fashion...
It wouldn't work. Samurai masks either just cover the mouth or whole, face they aren't made of fabric.
S. Grundy
06-08-2012, 03:26 AM
They could have given him a mask in the X-Men origins film. When he teamed up with William Stryker, they could have had him wear a mask to protect his identity, and made uniforms for their team. But maybe the samurai idea could really work...
Why would he need to protect his identity?
Spider-Vader
06-17-2012, 09:29 PM
I'd kill to see Wolverine eventually wear one of his comic costumes in a movie eventually. The whole argument about it looking 'stupid' or 'goofy' are invalid because I've seen some pretty good fan made costumes that make it look good in real life.
x-fan
06-18-2012, 12:47 AM
Why would he need to protect his identity?
lets see, what does wolverine do....kill people, where do people that kill other people go, hmmm Jail or prison, a mask might be a good Idea
Superhero 101
06-18-2012, 12:29 PM
i wouldn't want him to wear it but i wouldn't mind seeing the costume in like a Samurai styled costume in the background and Logan kind of notices and likes it. it'd be a nice nod to the fanboys
Picard Sisko
06-24-2012, 02:48 PM
lets see, what does wolverine do....kill people, where do people that kill other people go, hmmm Jail or prison, a mask might be a good Idea
Yeah that sums it up.
x-fan
06-25-2012, 12:12 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7138/7435363698_5451522a1f.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7258/7440171224_80f0756ef5_c.jpg
I don't know these pic shows with a Hollywood budget and actor in little better shape than me can make the whole costume work.
S. Grundy
07-01-2012, 05:37 PM
lets see, what does wolverine do....kill people, where do people that kill other people go, hmmm Jail or prison, a mask might be a good Idea
Well, if it hasn't been an issue in the four prior movies, it's not going to be one in this one. And you you know, it would look stupid as hell.
x-fan
07-01-2012, 11:29 PM
If they can make Batman's look good I am confident they can make Wolverine's look good as well.
S. Grundy
07-02-2012, 02:40 AM
No, Wolverine's mask is one that will always look dumb in live-action settings. Also, again it comes down to what purpose would have to wear a mask like that? If he is trying to hide his identity for whatever reason, why would he do it in such a dumb looking fashion?
def28
07-02-2012, 12:52 PM
Nah I disagree the mask isnt that far off from Bats. It can work.
S. Grundy
07-02-2012, 07:27 PM
Batman still looks kinda ridiculous, more so now since Nolan's film are really grounded.
terry78
07-13-2012, 06:11 PM
Wolverine's cowl is basically a variation on Batman's anyway.
S. Grundy
07-13-2012, 11:03 PM
Still looks stupid as hell.
Superhero 101
07-14-2012, 04:04 PM
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The Cowl looks pretty cool here
Official Vid starts around 2:00 mark
Great Mind(s)
07-14-2012, 06:31 PM
Cowl looks great there. He seems more Wolverine than Hugh... they could totally incorporate that.
def28
07-14-2012, 06:36 PM
Yeah that looked pretty cool. I think it can still look better but thats def the best live action version Ive seen.
Phantom X
07-16-2012, 02:04 AM
I think Wolverine's comic costume is way cooler than Superman's or that goofy Batman's. If Wolverine made his first appearance in comics wearing street clothes he probably wouldn't have made it this far.
Maybe he could attend a costume party, that the yakuza are having, wearing it. Once he's alone with the Silver Samurai he can take off his mask and say "Remember me?", beat him up and then let the credits roll.
marcvader
07-30-2012, 02:23 PM
If the movie's going to have some Samurai/ninja themes then I think some kind of an homage to the comicbook mask design can be made as a ceremonial mask/helm. All it takes is giving it some cues that will make it resemble the original and not necessarily be identical to it. It can be done.
Tasogare Sebei
07-31-2012, 10:34 AM
The mask can be done with the right context.
S. Grundy
08-02-2012, 12:03 AM
There's no context that will make that mask not look ridiculous.
psylockolussus
08-02-2012, 01:43 AM
I think they should save the mask for the reboot (which might happen in the next 10-25 years). I don't see Hugh Jackman wearing Wolverine's mask without looking goofy and costumey.
Bruce Malone
08-02-2012, 10:35 AM
The thing is wolverine doesn't care about hiding his identity seeing as he barely knows it. So it is even more illogical for him to start wearing a mask.
There's a reason even in the comics wolverine is often shown without his mask, in that he needs it the least probably of any masked hero.
Tasogare Sebei
08-03-2012, 10:01 AM
There's no context that will make that mask not look ridiculous.
His time in Japan provides the context which would be more plausible and less ridiculous than donning a t-shirt with a tie dyed skull.
I think that people have become accostumed to seeing Wolverine without a mask on film, the whole "it's too ridiculous" and "it wouldn't work on screen" arguments worked in 2000, they don't work anymore, there have already appeared dozens of Batman masks, the nigh owl mask is also similar, and even Spider-Man's mask worked.
For this particular film set in Japan, no i don't think it should be used, but in a future X-Men film they should think about it, they can make his mask and costume very cool.
marcvader
08-03-2012, 10:19 AM
Like I said in an earlier post I think a mask can be included in a nod to or cameo sort of way. If you're dealing with samurais and ninjas it can be incorporated in a ceremonial type of way.
Destructus86
08-03-2012, 02:01 PM
He needs to wear the brown costume!!
S. Grundy
08-04-2012, 10:43 PM
His time in Japan provides the context which would be more plausible and less ridiculous than donning a t-shirt with a tie dyed skull.
So, he's in Japan so he just decides he needs to wear a yellow mask with blue wings sticking out on it? Great context.
Like I said in an earlier post I think a mask can be included in a nod to or cameo sort of way. If you're dealing with samurais and ninjas it can be incorporated in a ceremonial type of way.
Yeah, but samurai masks/helmets don't look like Wolverine's mask in any way, shape, or form.
Superhero 101
08-04-2012, 10:57 PM
I think they can just show the Cowl hanging on a wall and Logan just looking at it and walk on by. And that's it
Tasogare Sebei
08-07-2012, 02:58 PM
So, he's in Japan so he just decides he needs to wear a yellow mask with blue wings sticking out on it? Great context.
I never mentioned anything about the comic book mask and its various incarnations. "Assumptions are the mother of all f***ups."
Yeah, but samurai masks/helmets don't look like Wolverine's mask in any way, shape, or form.You simply lack imagination.
marcvader
08-07-2012, 03:47 PM
Here are just a few examples of helmets. I could totally see some kind of stylized helmet using cues from Wolverines mask and again, this would strictly be in a easter egg or cameo capacity. A nod so to speak to the comic.
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/2315083286_e3c6a33f40_z.jpg
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/helmet_1.jpg
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/KGrHqFrE88gTl4g8BPejWLqoeQ60_57.jpg
OrgasmicPotatoe
08-07-2012, 08:21 PM
I prefer the way he is right now. No mask, no costume, only white tank and jeans. Fits the character way more than yellow spandex. Wolverine is an individualist, he likes being alone and tries to give the less sh** possible about everyone else's problem. To me he seems more like the type who wants to live his life quietly in the Canadian Rockies as shown in the movie, but bull***** came his way, and he had no choice but to follow it.
When in front of enemies, he's all out. He don't care about the others seeing his face and seeing who he is, because he is entitled to beat them anyway.
He doesn't need any kind of costume. It works perfectly in the comics and animated series, but on screen, it would go in the complete opposite direction of his character. Although I was introduced to Wolverine and the X-Men with the suits, I don't want to see them on screen (Unless they show it as a proposition to Wolverine and he rejects it) When I watched the first X-Men I didn't even notice the drastic change in the suits, it fit so well.
And please, no Japanese-looking suit. He's not a 14 years old girl who follows trends depending on where he is fighting.
psylockolussus
08-16-2012, 12:18 AM
Here are just a few examples of helmets. I could totally see some kind of stylized helmet using cues from Wolverines mask and again, this would strictly be in a easter egg or cameo capacity. A nod so to speak to the comic.
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/2315083286_e3c6a33f40_z.jpg
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/helmet_1.jpg
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/KGrHqFrE88gTl4g8BPejWLqoeQ60_57.jpg
These helments would look silly on Hugh Jackman.
marcvader
08-16-2012, 10:58 AM
Of course they would as there would really be no context for it. My suggestion is that since there really is no real reason for Wolvie's mask to begin with FOX can give us an easter egg of sorts. There will be samurai in this movie so you can show a helmet with nods to the wolverine mask since some of them already have some aspects in them already, therefor the samples I posted.
Spider-Vader
08-16-2012, 02:01 PM
If no one questions why Captain America wore such a "silly" costume, why would they question it if Wolverine did it? As long as it looks good, the general audience won't care.
marcvader
08-16-2012, 02:19 PM
Because regardless of Caps costume looking silly there was a reasonable reason explained for it. What's Logan's reasonable reason to wear a silly costume? He just wants to where one for kicks?
BoredGuy
08-16-2012, 02:45 PM
Make him do something stealthy and ninja-ish, and put him in an x-force inspired costume. BOOM. done. silly costume explained.
marcvader
08-16-2012, 02:56 PM
The big pointy things on his head?
BoredGuy
08-16-2012, 03:49 PM
well he doesnt need such ridiculously big head-fin-things
Go back to his early look with the small fins
Even lately, artists have been toning those down quite a bit
His X-Force look is not really over the top at all for live action
terry78
08-16-2012, 04:06 PM
Has Jackman ever attempted to wear a real world Wolverine mask someone made before?
Blitzkrieg Bop
08-16-2012, 04:39 PM
I never understood why Wolverine wore a mask anyway, other than he's got a costume to match it. What is he protecting with that mask?
S. Grundy
08-17-2012, 03:55 AM
Make him do something stealthy and ninja-ish, and put him in an x-force inspired costume. BOOM. done. silly costume explained.
Wolverine has always been more samurai inspired than ninja though. It wouldn't make sense for his character to dress that way.
Also, the X-Force mask would look just as ridiculous as a yellow and blue, or tan one.
psylockolussus
08-17-2012, 12:16 PM
Has Jackman ever attempted to wear a real world Wolverine mask someone made before?
I think there was something like that on the DVD of X-Men 1. I don't know if it was Hugh Jackman wearing the suit but when they saw someone wearing the classic Wolverine costume, they all laughed.
S. Grundy
08-17-2012, 08:40 PM
I posted pics of the that on the first page. The reason they didn't go with a mask, because it was ridiculous looking and they didn't see a reason for him to need one, considering no one else on the team were trying to hide there identities.
Bruce Malone
08-17-2012, 09:03 PM
I think the problem with wolverine is that his comic counterpart's costume probably makes the least sense for his characters personality compared to almost any other superhero.
Why would a burly rough and tumble guy who grew up in the 19th century canadian wilderness want to don such flashy colors as blue and yellow on his suit and that extravagant mask to boot? also he doesn't have to hide an identity as others have already pointed out.
terry78
08-17-2012, 09:07 PM
Why do any of them wear uniforms that mask their identity if they're already outed? It's a question that's been asked in the books, and they pretty much just hand wave or lampshade that fact every time.
def28
08-17-2012, 11:02 PM
I always saw it for Intimidation purposes. When Logan was first introduced in comics didnt the canadian government kind of want him to stand out as their Superhero? Kind of like Cap America. The Mask solidifies that. I remember in an X comic, an X character states they wear what they do to remind people they are superheros. I would like to see it eventually which Im sure we will. Maybe not in this film. I guess as some have suggested they could throw it in this film as an honor or ritual type thing.
If any comic suit is introduced later into X films his X Force would proably work best. Maybe give him some technical communication devices to give it more reason.
rogue trooper
08-18-2012, 10:25 AM
well he doesnt need such ridiculously big head-fin-things
Go back to his early look with the small fins
Even lately, artists have been toning those down quite a bit
His X-Force look is not really over the top at all for live action
Good point, and he doesn't have to wear it throughout the entire movie. Maybe use it just once in just one potential scene.
The Infernal
08-18-2012, 03:57 PM
I don't get why some people are so keen to dismiss any idea for Wolverine to wear a mask/costume combo in this film. Sure he doesn't need to hide his identity, but was the costume ever about that in comics? It's his iconic look, you'd think more fans would be keen to see a good adaptation of it in a film.
Personally I think an adapted samurai armour that resembles the red and tan costume could be pulled off if given the hollywood treatment.
S. Grundy
08-23-2012, 09:51 PM
But also even if it was samurai armor, it would still look pretty damn ridiculous, not to mention really clunky looking.
BoredGuy
08-24-2012, 01:43 PM
I dont think the samurai idea is necessary, the x-force or brown and tan costumes could look awesome onscreen.
But seriously, any other character's costume gets changed for a movie and it's "OMG they're destroying the character! just adapt what's on the page!!"
But with Wolverine, its: "that's ridiculous, this suit can't be pulled off in real life, just put him in jeans and a tshirt"
Bryan Singer brainwashed everyone into thinking its impossible!
I dont think the samurai idea is necessary, the x-force or brown and tan costumes could look awesome onscreen.
But seriously, any other character's costume gets changed for a movie and it's "OMG they're destroying the character! just adapt what's on the page!!"
But with Wolverine, its: "that's ridiculous, this suit can't be pulled off in real life, just put him in jeans and a tshirt"
Bryan Singer brainwashed everyone into thinking its impossible!
Or maybe it really does look bad onscreen and detracts from the actor's performance. For instance, Marvel has gone to great lengths to ensure that the integrity of the Avengers' uniforms remain intact, but they sure steered clear of adapting Hawkeye's mask, which closely resembles Wolverine's. Why?
X-Maniac
08-24-2012, 07:29 PM
Or maybe it really does look bad onscreen and detracts from the actor's performance. For instance, Marvel has gone to great lengths to ensure that the integrity of the Avengers' uniforms remain intact, but they sure steered clear of adapting Hawkeye's mask, which closely resembles Wolverine's. Why?
I think because Hawkeye had no reason to wear it - it doesn't offer protection and he doesn't need to be disguised. Whedon also said he didn't want to hide Renner's face, saying it was too attractive to cover up.
There's no reason for Wolverine to have pointy-eared headgear unless some sort of ornate Japanese headgear could be made to look like the comic mask, without seeming too contrived.
Also, Catwoman's ears were only included when Nolan figured out a way to do it by making them hi-tech goggles pushed back over her hair.
The Infernal
08-25-2012, 02:07 PM
But also even if it was samurai armor, it would still look pretty damn ridiculous, not to mention really clunky looking.
Until it's actually made it's not easy to tell if it will look good or not. Plus it's a movie and doesn't really have to conform that much to how a Samurai armour is actually made. It can be more form fitting and have other changes that make it more aesthetically pleasing.
Or maybe it really does look bad onscreen and detracts from the actor's performance. For instance, Marvel has gone to great lengths to ensure that the integrity of the Avengers' uniforms remain intact, but they sure steered clear of adapting Hawkeye's mask, which closely resembles Wolverine's. Why?
I'd guess that it's to do with Hawkeye's main costume being a bit too goofy overall rather than just the mask.
BoredGuy
08-27-2012, 12:49 PM
I'm not saying the mask would be easy to make look good, but it could be done.
Hawkeye, I think with his limited screen time, his revised SHIELD origins, and the oscar nominated actor playing him, these things resulted in no mask for him
And don't even get me started on Catwoman in TDKR
You don't need some real-world plausible reason, it's their iconic look
There was no reason for Michelle Pfeiffer's catwoman to have the cowl, but they made it look great.
Anne Hathaway's Catwoman outfit was a lame attempt from people who were uneasy embracing the comic book their comic movie came from.
Great Mind(s)
08-27-2012, 02:35 PM
I'm not saying the mask would be easy to make look good, but it could be done.
Hawkeye, I think with his limited screen time, his revised SHIELD origins, and the oscar nominated actor playing him, these things resulted in no mask for him
And don't even get me started on Catwoman in TDKR
You don't need some real-world plausible reason, it's their iconic look
There was no reason for Michelle Pfeiffer's catwoman to have the cowl, but they made it look great.
Anne Hathaway's Catwoman outfit was a lame attempt from people who were uneasy embracing the comic book their comic movie came from.
Really, I thought it was just an homage to the exact same suit from the 60s show? The CAMPIEST of all Batman incarnations...
BoredGuy
08-27-2012, 03:08 PM
yeah but the show balanced the suit with the over-the-top performances from those catwomen
and besides, we're talking about adapting comic suits, not older live-action suits
I love the Nolan films, don't get me wrong, but I thought the catwoman suit was pretty lazy
BatsDC
09-03-2012, 04:23 AM
This would look great in live action, just shorten the boots a bit and make the 'head-fins' as someone called them a little smaller.
http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z477/LMB10RCT3/wolverineyb.png
Project862006
09-03-2012, 04:49 AM
sorry no it would'nt lol
sorry a hero should wear a mask for 2 reasons
protection
or hide identity
and wolverine does'nt give a crap about an identity to need one and he heals himself
x-fan
09-03-2012, 07:07 AM
in that case project, lets put Batman in a ski mask, cause that is more realistic, certainly Bruce wouldn't wear a bat cowl in real life. I say screw his Iconic look and lets put him in a black swat uniform, shoot and Spidey for that matter, and Superman would never wear red and blue form fitting anything, blue jeans and a Tee for him, all these things are no more ridiculous than putting Wolverine in one of his Icon costume, It only matters that it aint yellow and blue,I repeat NO YELLOW AND BLUE. they all have the same elements the mask is the same no matter the color the basic design is present in them all as well, tone them down if you must but don't remove them entirely for reality sake or we could have a bunch boring looking superhero movies if they applied your thinking to the rest of them.
Project862006
09-03-2012, 10:13 AM
well his make sense he needs to protect himself from bullets and his bat outfit has a whole is armor oriented not to mention he is a billionaire and it was made for him by Lucias Fox and he took the symbol as a bat even in the movie
wolverine is a loner he really has no reason for wearing an outfit why does he need a mask when he cant get hurt and he does'nt care that people know who he is
guys like spiderman and batman protect their identity
and superman's out fit is a royal outfit passed down by his father
wolverine does'nt have any of this he is one hero who does'nt really need it
parlaquin
09-03-2012, 10:14 AM
in that case project, lets put Batman in a ski mask, cause that is more realistic, certainly Bruce wouldn't wear a bat cowl in real life. I say screw his Iconic look and lets put him in a black swat uniform, shoot and Spidey for that matter, and Superman would never wear red and blue form fitting anything, blue jeans and a Tee for him, all these things are no more ridiculous than putting Wolverine in one of his Icon costume, It only matters that it aint yellow and blue,I repeat NO YELLOW AND BLUE. they all have the same elements the mask is the same no matter the color the basic design is present in them all as well, tone them down if you must but don't remove them entirely for reality sake or we could have a bunch boring looking superhero movies if they applied your thinking to the rest of them.
well said. Hadn't thought of it that way, but they bring up an excellent point.
TheHeatKitchen
09-03-2012, 10:48 AM
No, bring on the yellow and blue! Bring them all! Use everything in this movie!
Let's make this worse than Origins.
BatsDC
09-03-2012, 12:19 PM
well his make sense he needs to protect himself from bullets and his bat outfit has a whole is armor oriented not to mention he is a billionaire and it was made for him by Lucias Fox and he took the symbol as a bat even in the movie
wolverine is a loner he really has no reason for wearing an outfit why does he need a mask when he cant get hurt and he does'nt care that people know who he is
guys like spiderman and batman protect their identity
and superman's out fit is a royal outfit passed down by his father
wolverine does'nt have any of this he is one hero who does'nt really need it
It's a COMIC BOOK movie. Who cares why he's wearing a costume? Comic book heroes and villains wear them. Have him put it on when he fights the villains and the audience won't care one bit about why he's wearing it.
Project862006
09-03-2012, 05:50 PM
it would look ridiculous and you know it his costume is bright yellow and brown
dont give me that lazy it is a comic book film excuse
when need realism for our films give me a realistic reason for wearing his costume?
Duran Man
09-03-2012, 06:39 PM
I've always felt that Wolverine's yellow and brown costumes looked ridiculous, no matter how bad-ass he is. If he has to look like something that comes from the comics, then his ultimate look (one of the few things I appreciate from the ultimate universe) is the best way to go.
shauner111
09-03-2012, 06:49 PM
It's a COMIC BOOK movie. Who cares why he's wearing a costume? Comic book heroes and villains wear them. Have him put it on when he fights the villains and the audience won't care one bit about why he's wearing it.He doesnt need a mask. It's a comic book movie? Really? If it doesn't makes sense, then it shouldn't be in the movie: period. Especially with this film where it's not just some CBM for little kids...things have to make sense.
Bruce Malone
09-03-2012, 07:38 PM
I just don't understand how his character would explain the idea to wear such an outfit in the film?
With batman he's taught to be theatric and take on the dark image of what scares him, captain america wants to be seen as a representation of america and dons it's colors. Spider-man originally based his outfit on the flashy wrestling gear he wore when he first took advantage of his powers.
Where are we going to get logan going "the only thing missing from me is a bright yellow and blue/brown tight outfit"?
Hypestyle
09-03-2012, 10:11 PM
I support a traditional outfit, even if it is some kind of ninja-culture explanation.
S. Grundy
09-04-2012, 03:20 AM
I just don't understand how his character would explain the idea to wear such an outfit in the film?
With batman he's taught to be theatric and take on the dark image of what scares him, captain america wants to be seen as a representation of america and dons it's colors. Spider-man originally based his outfit on the flashy wrestling gear he wore when he first took advantage of his powers.
Where are we going to get logan going "the only thing missing from me is a bright yellow and blue/brown tight outfit"?
Exactly, there's no reason for it.
BoredGuy
09-04-2012, 01:06 PM
Maybe he needs to hide his identity doing some shady dealings with Yukio/Viper/Shingen, whatever...
Like, he assasinates someone for the Hand, and doesn't want Mariko/Shingen to find out.
Jesus, why is it so tough for some people to fathom a decent excuse for him to look like the damn SOURCE MATERIAL???
You guys are too narrow-minded
A good writer could find a perfectly reasonably explanation to throw a mask on him
Also, what's the problem with blue and yellow?
They did it in First Class, and everybody around here sucks that movie's ****
If Magneto could look like a badass, so could Logan
S. Grundy
09-04-2012, 08:42 PM
In First Class they had a valid reason, they were flight suits. There's no real good reason for why Wolverine would go around dressed in a ridiculous costume like the comic.
Also Magneto did look kinda ridiculous at the end with the little thing attached to the helmet. They could have done without adding that.
x-fan
09-04-2012, 09:41 PM
You take good writers and you can get away with making a good movie with the costumes, and as far as why wear a mask, Logan looks like most people, can pass for normal I mean, so IF he is out killing people/ things, a mask makes since to me. He certainly doesn't want to be locked up, no he wouldn't kill the cops to get away, they are just doing their jobs. Tone down the colors mute them so they aren't so bright, Tan and Brown, Black and grey, don't make it spandex but some sort of tactical suit, see batman vs wolverine on youtube for example. batman being theatrical doesn't make the suit any less silly in real life, same for the rest of the ideas. Wolverine does feel pain, why not protect himself a little with a bit of Kevlar or some other government tech suit. fans want to see the iconic look on screen just like the bat fans do or supe fans, just look at some of the flack on those sites and see how intense it can be, but at least they are getting a suit, not civie supes or BATS.
BoredGuy
09-05-2012, 09:38 AM
^Precisely! thank you..
Good writers could find a good reason
gkokujin
09-07-2012, 10:11 AM
You take good writers and you can get away with making a good movie with the costumes, and as far as why wear a mask, Logan looks like most people, can pass for normal I mean, so IF he is out killing people/ things, a mask makes since to me. He certainly doesn't want to be locked up, no he wouldn't kill the cops to get away, they are just doing their jobs. Tone down the colors mute them so they aren't so bright, Tan and Brown, Black and grey, don't make it spandex but some sort of tactical suit, see batman vs wolverine on youtube for example. batman being theatrical doesn't make the suit any less silly in real life, same for the rest of the ideas. Wolverine does feel pain, why not protect himself a little with a bit of Kevlar or some other government tech suit. fans want to see the iconic look on screen just like the bat fans do or supe fans, just look at some of the flack on those sites and see how intense it can be, but at least they are getting a suit, not civie supes or BATS.
:applaud
Project862006
09-09-2012, 08:49 AM
You take good writers and you can get away with making a good movie with the costumes, and as far as why wear a mask, Logan looks like most people, can pass for normalI mean, so IF he is out killing people/ things, a mask makes since to me. He certainly doesn't want to be locked up, no he wouldn't kill the cops to get away, they are just doing their jobs. Tone down the colors mute them so they aren't so bright, Tan and Brown, Black and grey, don't make it spandex but some sort of tactical suit, see batman vs wolverine on youtube for example. batman being theatrical doesn't make the suit any less silly in real life, same for the rest of the ideas. Wolverine does feel pain, why not protect himself a little with a bit of Kevlar or some other government tech suit. fans want to see the iconic look on screen just like the bat fans do or supe fans, just look at some of the flack on those sites and see how intense it can be, but at least they are getting a suit, not civie supes or BATS.
he isn't spiderman or batman who have a secret identity he doesn't care that people know he is a mutant he is a rebel and a loner wearing a mask to hide his face would go against his personality
and yes he feel pain but he feels it even when he brings out his claws he has probably accustomed himself to it
Nathan
09-09-2012, 08:57 AM
Ok, let's say we can get a writer who can make sense out of the outfit Wolverine normally wears in the comics. How do you explain that he's the only X-Man that wears a mask, while everyone else shows their faces?
S. Grundy
09-09-2012, 06:29 PM
That is exactly one of the reasons why they dropped the mask for the first movie.
Project862006
09-09-2012, 06:35 PM
and of all the x men he would be the least likely to hide his face lol
def28
09-09-2012, 10:15 PM
Ok, let's say we can get a writer who can make sense out of the outfit Wolverine normally wears in the comics. How do you explain that he's the only X-Man that wears a mask, while everyone else shows their faces?
At this point in continuity I dont think you do but I guess anytime theres a scene where he has to hide his identity it could be used. He could eventually go covert in X Force or if an alt reality version of Logan is introduced in later films it could work.
Nathan
09-10-2012, 05:29 AM
Alternate reality Wolverine.... Really?
def28
09-10-2012, 05:32 AM
Alternate reality Wolverine.... Really?
Or Alt timeline. DOFP coming up, cant rule out anything with these films. Usually Alt Logan doesnt wear a Mask, but if they want an extreme different take they could go the route.
Eventually someone will try the mask. Too iconic and has yet to be done. Its less far fetched then other **** in these films. All he needs is a reason to hide his identity in a plot and problem solved.
Nathan
09-10-2012, 05:47 AM
For something that's too iconic, the Ultimate comics didn't have a problem to ditch the mask entirely. Even later seasons of X-Men Evolution got rid of it. And even if they'd introduce the mask, it would probably only be for a short moment, like as you said, when he goes covert. But the moment he's part of the X-Men again, there's absolutely no reason anymore, for him to wear a mask. Unless everyone does.
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9348/xmenfirstclass3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/213/xmenfirstclass3.jpg/)
def28
09-10-2012, 05:58 AM
I agree, with that. No need just cause hes on the X Men. The character has sold without it.
Its still around in a majority of the comics and media and Im pretty sure X Evolution and Ultimates ditched it because of his look in the film but I could be wrong. Believe the launch time for those were close to the film. Not saying it defines everything about him and is needed, but it has been a strong visual part of the character and remained. I think it will be used in future films when they find a chance to use it. Just not for the sake of having it.
psylockolussus
09-10-2012, 09:30 AM
I don't see the big deal with Wolverine wearing the mask other than staying true to his costume in the comics.
He's not like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man who always have to wear their superhero costume. Look at X-Men Evolution, Ultimate Comics, videogames such as X-Men Legends and Marvel Ultimate Alliance. Wolverine is still Wolverine without the mask and the yellow spandex. For Wolverine's appearance, its mostly about the hair and the claws.
Great Mind(s)
09-10-2012, 09:32 AM
They could absolutely find a sensible way for him to have the mask for a sequence, it's not THAT far fetched. It's just a damn mask, people wear masks in real life too!
BoredGuy
09-10-2012, 09:46 AM
^ Seriously!
And all the old school Wolverine-heads out there would know that wolverine literally wore only his mask for many years.
Yes the mask isn't as integral to his look in modern day (because of the X-Men movies!), like a batman or spider-man
But he literally had no other face for YEARS!
They should really acknowledge and at least pay homage to his mask.
It's his look, just like any other comic character.
If you say he shouldn't have it, I say you don't like Wolverine.
And as for the "other x-men don't have masks" argument, well, easy answer:
They're not in the damn movie.
They don't matter.
Nathan
09-10-2012, 09:55 AM
There's another reason why the mask wouldn't make sense. He's got a unique set of abilities. How many people are running around with claws popping out of between their knuckles? If the mask is needed to conceal his identity, he can only use his claws while in costume. Otherwise any moron can put two and two together.
And since he's in Japan, he'd probably run around like this, when he's trying to hide his identity.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4281/ninjaloganxmenevolution.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/ninjaloganxmenevolution.jpg/)
terry78
09-10-2012, 10:06 AM
I just figured he wore the mask as some kind of psychological thing. Memories hazy, kind of ****ed up in the head, etc.
I would vote for the yellow and BLACK mask, but that wasn't available as an option…
x-fan
09-16-2012, 07:26 PM
So far according to the poll, 72% would like some sort of mask, I believe with good writing and a good design it could work and be no more or less silly than Batman's
S. Grundy
09-16-2012, 10:52 PM
Batman's mask is really silly though, especially the Nolan ones.
x-fan
09-17-2012, 01:08 AM
Batman's mask is really silly though, especially the Nolan ones.
and yet it works
Project862006
09-17-2012, 01:56 AM
it works because it is all black the easiest color to ground in realism it is why the x men wore all black leather suits
lets see how that yellow and brown mask works
x-fan
09-17-2012, 11:07 PM
I would love to see how it works, make it put the pic's online and let us the fan's decide how bad it is, don't give us a line of bull(talking about fox not you ) about how it doesn't work.
S. Grundy
09-18-2012, 02:55 AM
It wouldn't work, because it would look stupid as **** in any color. Plus four movies now, no mask, no real reason to do it now.
Nathan
09-18-2012, 08:53 AM
There's one way it'll work, if they follow the direction of Astonishing X-Men. When they had the team meeting (http://youtu.be/O490WDOoiuM?t=6m8s) and Scott wanted to change public perception of them. They saved the world several times, they are a team, they are superheroes and part of superheroes are the costumes. Being colorful, just like the Avengers and Fantastic Four, who don't get hunted through the streets. He even admits how all the black leather makes people nervous. They need to go out and do some regular superhero stuff, not just fighting crazy mutants, make people trust them. Now you have an excuse to give the most frightening member of the team, the most ridiculous outfit.
But that of course only works for another X-Men Movie. So until we get there again, I think Logan should be mask free in his movies.
Project862006
09-18-2012, 09:35 AM
It wouldn't work, because it would look stupid as **** in any color. Plus four movies now, no mask, no real reason to do it now.
^this we have had wolverine on screen for over a decade and in 5 movies so far this is gonna make it 6
and no mask why are people not over this yet
same people who still cant get over height of jackman i assume:oldrazz:
BoredGuy
09-18-2012, 10:02 AM
No, I'm fine with Jackman's height
I just don't get why some people seem to be taking such a hard line over this
like "no way, it's stupid, you're stupid, it could never look cool, you're ridiculous for even wanting it!"
There are ways to make it work, such as Nathan's scenario above
I don't care about the previous movies, or the fact that he didn't wear one in the other films.
It's also not going to stop me from seeing the movie if he doesn't have a mask.
I grew up looking at him as a total badass, regardless of the giant head fins or the blue and yellow.
I'm just a wolverine fan.
I wanna see his iconic look.
So sue me.
S. Grundy
09-18-2012, 06:55 PM
OK but, the X-Men operate in the movies as a covert team, which why the black leather (not to mention to offer some protection in fight). The blue and yellow flight suits worked in First Class, but I honestly can't see them working in a modern setting.
Nathan
09-18-2012, 06:59 PM
Again, taking cues from Astonishing X-Men, it could work. With the X-Men trying to change public perception of them, by being colorful and doing regular superhero stuff like the Avengers and Fantastic Four. And you could still have a covert team in form of X-Force.
marcvader
09-18-2012, 07:43 PM
Sadly, there's no room for masks and costumes in this universe. If it had been established from the start that heroes wore costumes or masks in this universe it would be a different story.
x-fan
09-18-2012, 11:00 PM
Sadly, there's no room for masks and costumes in this universe. If it had been established from the start that heroes wore costumes or masks in this universe it would be a different story.
And this s why I hope Marvel gets the rights back, then we get a proper X-film.
S. Grundy
09-18-2012, 11:54 PM
We already had proper X-films.
psylockolussus
09-19-2012, 12:32 AM
And this s why I hope Marvel gets the rights back, then we get a proper X-film.
So are you saying the first movie, X2 and First Class aren't proper X-Films? :whatever:
marcvader
09-19-2012, 01:23 AM
Proper X-Films? Laughable While the the first two X-Men films were decent takes on the title they were no where close to accurate.
S. Grundy
09-19-2012, 04:05 AM
Outside of the costumes, they were as accurate an adaptation.
BoredGuy
09-19-2012, 08:22 AM
lol, I'm not hoping into this argument
I absolutely HATED First Class, but I seem to be in an extreme minority there
gkokujin
09-19-2012, 12:38 PM
We already had proper X-films.
no.
gkokujin
09-19-2012, 12:39 PM
So are you saying the first movie, X2 and First Class aren't proper X-Films? :whatever:
correct. They are moderately acceptable, because its all we had, it was new and exciting.
Project862006
09-19-2012, 04:23 PM
they are proper x men films anyone who thinks otherwise is just a plain hater imo why because they didn't look like this it means it wasn't accurate:huh:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/85340/2060168-x.jpg
The Infernal
09-19-2012, 05:38 PM
I feel it's fair to say the X-men movies weren't always that accurate to the source material and it's not just the costumes. Though I think you have to admit that any film adaptation of X-men is going to have big changes from the comics, though I still think the movies (even the ones I like) could be a lot closer to the comics than they are.
S. Grundy
09-19-2012, 06:07 PM
How weren't they accurate exactly?
x-fan
09-19-2012, 06:35 PM
character's were off, origins were off, Rogue was shadowkat in the first movie and a teen, she was not feisty or flirty at all, ever, wolvie cried and apologized alot, storm i won't say more, jean, Phoenix...no words, closest characterization was Scott and Xavier, and they screwed SCOTT massively, that said and I hate Scott. original 5 team was wrong. they didn't fight as a team. Wolverine is my fave but , he should have been a back character, way to used, in the trilogy. costumes could have been done in style but used a team color black and gold maybe. there is more but what's the point. I didn't even get to the villains........
X-Maniac
09-19-2012, 07:08 PM
There is some truth in the complaints that they weren't accurate, although the first film was 12 years ago and things were very different then (although the 2002 Spider-Man film, released just two years after the first X-Men, embraced the comics far more).
I think what people are saying is that whereas characters such as Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and Hulk are unashamedly big, bold and colourful (but never camp or silly), and reflect the comics, many of the X-Men are not.
Now, of course, Nolan's Batman (and his versions of Two-Face, Bane, Catwoman, Talia) doesn't feel that much like the comics either, so veering away from source material can also work, though I sense people were tiring of Nolan's reinterpretations by the time of The Dark Knight Rises, judging by the divided viewpoints and the criticism of Bane and Catwoman in particular.
Avengers proved that embracing the comics, and celebrating the comics, can work big time. Even if it had little character development or themes.
X-Men has similar colourful characters but also the advantage of deep themes and plenty of opportunity for character development. So let's see it.
Whether we see it ALL resemble the comics more closely in this particular iteration of X-Men is another matter. I really can't envision Hugh Jackman wearing the Wolverine mask/costume.
S. Grundy
09-19-2012, 08:57 PM
character's were off, origins were off, Rogue was shadowkat in the first movie and a teen, she was not feisty or flirty at all, ever, wolvie cried and apologized alot, storm i won't say more, jean, Phoenix...no words, closest characterization was Scott and Xavier, and they screwed SCOTT massively, that said and I hate Scott. original 5 team was wrong. they didn't fight as a team. Wolverine is my fave but , he should have been a back character, way to used, in the trilogy. costumes could have been done in style but used a team color black and gold maybe. there is more but what's the point. I didn't even get to the villains........
The only thing on here I can agree with is that Cyclops got screwed in the end with Bryan Singer leaving the series. But the characterizations were fine, they fought as a team plenty of times. Wolverine, he's arguably the most popular character, so it makes sense to use him as the audience surrogate character.
I think what people are saying is that whereas characters such as Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and Hulk are unashamedly big, bold and colourful (but never camp or silly), and reflect the comics, many of the X-Men are not.
Both are plenty campy and silly, and Thor is plenty ashamed.
One doesn’t need to look any further than to Thor’s notably absent helmet and COMPLETELY reworked origin to realize Marvel is doing to Thor what Fox did to Wolverine and for the same reasons. After one scene, Thor’s iconic winged helmet is never seen from again and, just like Wolverine and his yellow spandex, Marvel turns Thor’s Donald Blake origin into a passing joke and nod to fans. Why? Because neither studio is going to take the chance of hiding their action stars behind something that detracts from their presence onscreen.
S. Grundy
09-20-2012, 01:31 AM
With Thor I don't mind that they went with a more Ultimates route with the origin. I like the crazy person angle better. That's pretty much they're doing with the movies anyway, combining what works with the 616 and Ultimate comics.
X-Maniac
09-20-2012, 04:42 AM
Both are plenty campy and silly, and Thor is plenty ashamed.
One doesn’t need to look any further than to Thor’s notably absent helmet and COMPLETELY reworked origin to realize Marvel is doing to Thor what Fox did to Wolverine and for the same reasons. After one scene, Thor’s iconic winged helmet is never seen from again and, just like Wolverine and his yellow spandex, Marvel turns Thor’s Donald Blake origin into a passing joke and nod to fans. Why? Because neither studio is going to take the chance of hiding their action stars behind something that detracts from their presence onscreen.
They may well have ditched Thor's helmet (and Donald Blake alter-ego) - and there were also complaints about the look of Captain America's helmet in Avengers - but on the other hand, the rest of those character's iconic costumes were (more or less) present and accurate. There were also some grumbles about Thor's costume in the early days, too, but that's typical of fanboys.
I say typical because you only have to check the comments section on CBM to see how they tore apart news like the hiring of Whedon for Avengers. It was greeted with a resounding 'Nooooooooo' and he was dismissed as a 'crappy TV producer' - those same fanboys are now lining up to kiss his butt.
Marvel hasn't gone 'all out' with its adaptations, for sure. Hawkeye was never in a purple suit and pointy mask and Black Widow looked less like the character in Avengers than in Iron Man 2. But the films seem more comfortable with the comic books, somehow. At least we got some blue/yellow suits in First Class.
With Thor I don't mind that they went with a more Ultimates route with the origin. I like the crazy person angle better. That's pretty much they're doing with the movies anyway, combining what works with the 616 and Ultimate comics.
I don't mind it either.
They may well have ditched Thor's helmet (and Donald Blake alter-ego) - and there were also complaints about the look of Captain America's helmet in Avengers - but on the other hand, the rest of those character's iconic costumes were (more or less) present and accurate. There were also some grumbles about Thor's costume in the early days, too, but that's typical of fanboys.
I say typical because you only have to check the comments section on CBM to see how they tore apart news like the hiring of Whedon for Avengers. It was greeted with a resounding 'Nooooooooo' and he was dismissed as a 'crappy TV producer' - those same fanboys are now lining up to kiss his butt.
Marvel hasn't gone 'all out' with its adaptations, for sure. Hawkeye was never in a purple suit and pointy mask and Black Widow looked less like the character in Avengers than in Iron Man 2. But the films seem more comfortable with the comic books, somehow. At least we got some blue/yellow suits in First Class.
Very true.
BoredGuy
09-20-2012, 08:49 AM
Yeah, there will always be some adaptation from one source to the other
But at least, when you see the Avengers together in their film, you recognize them as the goddam Avengers.
The X-men, meanwhile, were turned into a small group of soldiers, with half their biggest characters never even joining the team. Ages were swapped, relationships unexplored, family dynamics untouched.
Now don't get me wrong, I loved X2
But there is definitely a lot of room to move back closer to the source material.
Which is why I'm hopeful that this movie, being able to stand alone, can be pretty close to its origins, with or without wolverine's costume
def28
09-20-2012, 06:56 PM
character's were off, origins were off, Rogue was shadowkat in the first movie and a teen, she was not feisty or flirty at all, ever, wolvie cried and apologized alot, storm i won't say more, jean, Phoenix...no words, closest characterization was Scott and Xavier, and they screwed SCOTT massively, that said and I hate Scott. original 5 team was wrong. they didn't fight as a team. Wolverine is my fave but , he should have been a back character, way to used, in the trilogy. costumes could have been done in style but used a team color black and gold maybe. there is more but what's the point. I didn't even get to the villains........
Agreed. Rogue sucked and was just there getting captured or being scared , she did nothing in grand scheme of X2 and 3. Storm and CYC are barely in it and the team element of the books were never really shown off well imo. All those character are capable of much more.
S. Grundy
09-20-2012, 07:09 PM
Marvel hasn't gone 'all out' with its adaptations, for sure. Hawkeye was never in a purple suit and pointy mask and Black Widow looked less like the character in Avengers than in Iron Man 2. But the films seem more comfortable with the comic books, somehow. At least we got some blue/yellow suits in First Class.
And the blue and yellow suits made sense in First Class. But I honestly think they wouldn't have worked as well in the first three X-Men movies though.
X-Maniac
09-20-2012, 08:00 PM
And the blue and yellow suits made so sense in First Class. But I honestly think they wouldn't have worked as well in the first three X-Men movies though.
Maybe not, at least not with the way the stories were constructed - they were hiding from prejudice and hatred, creeping about in the shadows.
In First Class, it's a different era. There's still plenty of prejudice but not yet against mutants, who aren't known outside the CIA. Plus, we are in the more groovy, psychedelic setting of the 60s and heading towards the even more liberated 70s. So there should be room for some individual expression, style and colour (hopefully without the most horrid excesses like flared legs on pants/trousers)...
S. Grundy
09-20-2012, 09:03 PM
Yeah, the original trilogy they are more of a covert team, so the black leather makes sense, and frankly works.
With First Class, it being the '60s on top of the suits being flight suits, it makes the colors work.
def28
09-21-2012, 02:12 PM
Marvel hasn't gone 'all out' with its adaptations, for sure. Hawkeye was never in a purple suit and pointy mask and Black Widow looked less like the character in Avengers than in Iron Man 2. But the films seem more comfortable with the comic books, somehow. At least we got some blue/yellow suits in First Class.
I think everyone is more open to the ideas of being more visually faithful right now because it has lead to success. Visually we got a pretty solid Emma Frost which is something I always thought they mess up on. Things like that make a difference. Has there really ever been a time were people complained for a character looking to much like the comics?
Since Avengers mixes Ultimate and 616 universe I would say Hawkeye is accurate. He just got his Ultimate suit instead of his 616 mask.
"You can't exactly replicate anything from one form of the media to the other. Things that work perfectly in comics won't work perfectly in movies." (-Stan Lee)
Comic-book faithfulness isn't automatically the better thing. Personally I much prefer X-Men 2 and X-Men: First Class to every solo Marvel Studios movie.
Guess it's just me though, most people here seem to only want the films to be carbon copies of the comic-books.
With that said, I would love to see a live-action version of Wolverine's mask and think it could work great, even in Fox's established X-Men-verse. It's nowhere near a necessity to make a great live-action Wolverine though.
But he literally had no other face for YEARS!
If you say he shouldn't have it, I say you don't like Wolverine.
No other face for years? I'd say his civilian look – with the haircut, the sideburns and the plaid shirts – also has visually defined him plenty through the years.
And saying that just because you don't necessarily want the mask in a live-action movie means you don't like Wolverine is just silly, narrow-minded talk.
def28
09-21-2012, 08:56 PM
"You can't exactly replicate anything from one form of the media to the other. Things that work perfectly in comics won't work perfectly in movies." (-Stan Lee)
Comic-book faithfulness isn't automatically the better thing. Personally I much prefer X-Men 2 and X-Men: First Class to every solo Marvel Studios movie.
Guess it's just me though, most people here seem to only want the films to be carbon copies of the comic-books.
I dont know if thats true, It can go either way. A good movie is a good movie regardless. Most are pretty cool with changes, but some things/characters dont need to be changed (Deadpool) or need to be given more respect (Cyclops). Comics can be replicated to screen pretty exact if thats the intention. Sin City,300 and Watchmen are adapted pretty damn close. In the end I hear more complaints about films/characters not being comic accurate then otherwise. The general audience doesnt care either way. So why anger the fanbase?
Anything can be done. I remember hearing awhile back a Watchmen movie would never happen, or Thanos. Its just about how its written and a matter of time.
X-Maniac
09-22-2012, 10:52 AM
I dont know if thats true, It can go either way. A good movie is a good movie regardless. Most are pretty cool with changes, but some things/characters dont need to be changed (Deadpool) or need to be given more respect (Cyclops). Comics can be replicated to screen pretty exact if thats the intention. Sin City,300 and Watchmen are adapted pretty damn close. In the end I hear more complaints about films/characters not being comic accurate then otherwise. The general audience doesnt care either way. So why anger the fanbase?
Anything can be done. I remember hearing awhile back a Watchmen movie would never happen, or Thanos. Its just about how its written and a matter of time.
I agree with that. They may as well try to make a good movie that fans will like as much as the general audience, because it's the fans who follow every piece of info online, it's the fans who see it multiple times and obsess over it, and the fans who talk it about for years afterwards.
Watchmen's problem was not its accuracy to the comics (apart from the ending being different), it was the adult rating, lack of big names, poor marketing and perhaps the fact that the mainstream were totally unfamiliar with the material (which could have helped by better marketing). The rating could have been changed to be honest - we didn't need to see Dr Manhattan in all his blue naked glory, the scenes where he had on underwear were fine!
def28
09-24-2012, 04:02 AM
Yeah I saw no point in that. It needed the R Rating for the subject matter though.
Some comic films are not affected by their R rating. 300, Sincity, Blade, Kick-Ass and Wanted did pretty solid and got sequels in development at some point. I think your right with Watchmen, most didnt know what it was or the characters. MOst marketable thing was "From the Director of 300 comes Watchmen" It still looked like a Superhero film outfits and all, but nothing recognizeable to anyone besides comic fans. Got labeled as just another comic film with most viewers. As far as Marvel, Wolverine and Deadpool are probably the only two characters I could see generating some cash with an R rating. The kiddies wont miss it either way. Family sales would def take a dive, but if the Resident Evil Movies still open decent with ****** reviews and all, I think Wolverine would easily go above 50. But I think we have a better chance seeing the mask then that happening haha.
Project862006
09-24-2012, 07:58 AM
I agree with that. They may as well try to make a good movie that fans will like as much as the general audience, because it's the fans who follow every piece of info online, it's the fans who see it multiple times and obsess over it, and the fans who talk it about for years afterwards.
Watchmen's problem was not its accuracy to the comics (apart from the ending being different), it was the adult rating, lack of big names, poor marketing and perhaps the fact that the mainstream were totally unfamiliar with the material (which could have helped by better marketing). The rating could have been changed to be honest - we didn't need to see Dr Manhattan in all his blue naked glory, the scenes where he had on underwear were fine!
dont know what else they could done i thought the 2nd trailer showcased the story without spoiling it
they even did great solo character profile spots that aired every week on NBC that showcased the characters very well like these for example
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thewhyteman
09-24-2012, 08:43 PM
It wouldn't work. Samurai masks either just cover the mouth or whole, face they aren't made of fabric.
Why does it have to be fabric?
DaRkVeNgeanCe
09-24-2012, 08:57 PM
I would do anything to see him wear his classic mask in this film, though I know it wont happen.
BoredGuy
09-25-2012, 01:30 PM
No other face for years? I'd say his civilian look – with the haircut, the sideburns and the plaid shirts – also has visually defined him plenty through the years.
No you misunderstand
I meant- literally- that no one saw his face for the first few years of his existence.
And my point was that wolvie's mask is just as iconic to his fans as batman's or spider-man's
Again, I'm still gunna see this either way, but I agree with darkvengeance here, I would loove to see it done well
x-fan
09-26-2012, 01:23 PM
http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/2726504/hugh-jackman-shirtless-at-bondi-beach-50/
check out that image and imagine it with the matching mask and be sad we will never see it in a movie
S. Grundy
09-26-2012, 10:28 PM
Hugh Jackman running around in a wetsuit and silly mask, I'm still okay not seeing that on film.
x-fan
09-27-2012, 08:07 AM
and you also have no imagination, if you can't look at tha and picture a better made suit, but what I am saying is that, that is as close to the x-force costume is we are likely to see Hugh in, and it is a the beach, but you can't stand the I dea of a costumed character actually being in the costume. we go into these movies with a sense of disbelief, the costumes are no more ridiculous than a man with claws coming out of his fists or a man shooting lasers from his eyes.
Nathan
09-27-2012, 08:11 AM
Except that optic blasts and claws look pretty cool, and colorful costume, if not done right, could potentially look very silly.
BoredGuy
09-27-2012, 11:55 AM
Potentially
Or, potentially, they could look awesome
Project862006
09-27-2012, 04:47 PM
i just dont think mask is needed for me wolverine's iconic look is his mutton chops and his hair not his mask and yellow outfit
x-fan
09-28-2012, 08:13 AM
why is it that every time we mention masks or costumes some has to mention yellow, I am not sure anyone here wants the yellow maybe the brown or black, I agree, yellow would suck. I have never seen a good conversion of that suit. Some one here pointed out that literally for years they never showed him out of his mask, they didn't even have a design for his face, until later. even then he was suppose to be young looking with no chops, when they did show his face they made his hair and chops follow the mask design. so truly his mask is the true Iconic look.
BoredGuy
09-28-2012, 12:32 PM
Testify!
and I thought I'd post this for your consideration:
http://youtu.be/UuKQ3Oc97Wk
I don't watch the full reenactment, so I dunno how good it is.
But the mask looks pretty friggin B.A.
(also, I dunno if that link will work, never posted a youtube video before)
Joblo.com also has it up if i screwed it up
What are you guys talking about? You keep going on about Wolverine's mask being iconic, but you wonder why people keep bringing up the color yellow? Isn't that obvious.
And what is this nonsense about Wolverine not being seen out of his mask for years, as though for decades and countless issues, it was a mystery what Wolverine looked liked? Wolverine first appears in The Incredible Hulk issues 180, 181, and 182, in late 1974. He makes his next appearance in Giant-Size X-Men, in April 1975, and 4 issues later, in April 1976, he is seen without his mask. 8 appearances in and we see his face.
x-fan
09-29-2012, 07:56 AM
What are you guys talking about? You keep going on about Wolverine's mask being iconic, but you wonder why people keep bringing up the color yellow? Isn't that obvious.
And what is this nonsense about Wolverine not being seen out of his mask for years, as though for decades and countless issues, it was a mystery what Wolverine looked liked? Wolverine first appears in The Incredible Hulk issues 180, 181, and 182, in late 1974. He makes his next appearance in Giant-Size X-Men, in April 1975, and 4 issues later, in April 1976, he is seen without his mask. 8 appearances in and we see his face.
he wasn't designed with a face in mind , he was suppose to be a throw away character, but he was so popular that they had to flesh him out, so the mask was his face til then. and yellow and blue never look good on screen,. Wolverine has had many costumes but certain elements always remain, mask gloves general shape of the costume, color has varied widely, so any color scheme might work and please us fans, we don't care which costume they put him in as long as they do. get it??
Project862006
09-29-2012, 09:37 AM
my point still stands his iconic look is his hair and muttonchops that's what most people associate his popular look not his mask and spandex costume
and logically speaking logan would be the last person to wear a costume
he isn't the type of person to hide his face and wont have a secret identity because he isn't trying to hide from something
marcvader
09-29-2012, 09:42 AM
I'd guess some where's about 75% of depictions of Wolverine in toys, busts, statues, Marvel merchandise like lunchboxes, t-shirts, bedsheets and such are of him in his "iconic" costume and mask.
Project862006
09-29-2012, 10:14 AM
does jackman not look and feel like wolverine on screen without costume?
if so then costume never mattered
marcvader
09-29-2012, 01:05 PM
He looks like a version of Wolverine but not the definitive one.
def28
09-29-2012, 04:31 PM
I'd guess some where's about 75% of depictions of Wolverine in toys, busts, statues, Marvel merchandise like lunchboxes, t-shirts, bedsheets and such are of him in his "iconic" costume and mask.
Yeah merchandising knows he sales more with the mask. Especially with kids. Theres a decent amount without it though.
Allegedly the costume showed up in the Aronofsky script so who knows. It is tough imo to completely discredit it from ever showing up one way or another. If he ever needs to go covert, why the hell not use it? I think most fans will go ape **** over it.
Alexei Belyakov
09-29-2012, 04:42 PM
Yeah merchandising knows he sales more with the mask. Especially with kids. Theres a decent amount without it though.
Allegedly the costume showed up in the Aronofsky script so who knows. It is tough imo to completely discredit it from ever showing up one way or another. I think most fans will go ape **** if they use it.
I'm pretty sure if Mangold & Bomback kept the scene featuring the costume in the film, audiences would cheer (specially with the brutal carnage that follows).
def28
09-29-2012, 04:45 PM
I'm pretty sure if Mangold & Bomback kept the scene featuring the costume in the film, audiences would cheer (specially with the brutal carnage that follows).
Agreed. Thats the kind of stuff Wolverine fans have been waiting to see since X1. I couldnt see anyone complaining over it if that scene was brought to the screen.
Alexei Belyakov
09-29-2012, 04:48 PM
Agreed. Thats the kind of stuff Wolverine fans have been waiting to see since X1. I couldnt see anyone complaining over it if that scene was brought to the screen.
Here's hoping Mangold & Bomback didn't alter Aronofsky's draft too much (it definitely went through alot of changes).
X-Maniac
09-29-2012, 07:30 PM
I'm pretty sure if Mangold & Bomback kept the scene featuring the costume in the film, audiences would cheer (specially with the brutal carnage that follows).
That would rock. More for the comic book geeks, but nonetheless it would rock!
Alexei Belyakov
09-29-2012, 08:02 PM
That would rock. More for the comic book geeks, but nonetheless it would rock!
I just gotta give Aronofsky props for finding a brilliant way to put it in there.
It couldn't be the same as it is with Batman or Superman's costumes. He really has nothing to hide from.
But to make it a tool that emphasizes Mariko's pain in seeing the man she loves slaughter dozens of people makes it both iconic and poignant.
She looks for him in the masked beast murdering the Yakuza and finds him through the eyes.
DJ Kornphlake
09-29-2012, 10:09 PM
I'm pretty sure if Mangold & Bomback kept the scene featuring the costume in the film, audiences would cheer (specially with the brutal carnage that follows).
I think that would depend on how the costume looks.
Can someone tell me in the script how it's written why he wears a mask?
Alexei Belyakov
09-30-2012, 01:04 AM
Can someone tell me in the script how it's written why he wears a mask
he breaks into a dressing room at an opera in Tokyo where a Yakuza boss sits in the front row. Wolverine grabs a costume off a rack (the brown and orange costume) to blend in and walks onto the stage. He then kills everyone in the front row. At first the audience thinks its part of the play but then people start shooting at Wolverine so people begin to storm out of the theatre. Amongst them are Mariko and Noburo - who's personal security rushes to get out. Mariko manages to lock eyes with Wolverine through the mask and she cries as he slaughters the Yakuza. As soon as she's out of his periphery, he chops a guy's head off right behind him.
X-Maniac
09-30-2012, 07:17 AM
I just gotta give Aronofsky props for finding a brilliant way to put it in there.
It couldn't be the same as it is with Batman or Superman's costumes. He really has nothing to hide from.
But to make it a tool that emphasizes Mariko's pain in seeing the man she loves slaughter dozens of people makes it both iconic and poignant.
She looks for him in the masked beast murdering the Yakuza and finds him through the eyes.
The only other way I can think of to introduce the costume and mask would be for it to be part of a psychological ritual to help Logan separate the man from the animal.
Giving him a mask and costume and sending him on a mission would be their way of making him embrace the animal while in the costume - and then shut that part of himself away when he takes the costume off, a way of trying to divide the two personas.
A bit like Batman taking on the character of bat/darkness/shadows when putting on the costume.
BoredGuy
10-01-2012, 09:20 AM
he breaks into a dressing room at an opera in Tokyo where a Yakuza boss sits in the front row. Wolverine grabs a costume off a rack (the brown and orange costume) to blend in and walks onto the stage. He then kills everyone in the front row. At first the audience thinks its part of the play but then people start shooting at Wolverine so people begin to storm out of the theatre. Amongst them are Mariko and Noburo - who's personal security rushes to get out. Mariko manages to lock eyes with Wolverine through the mask and she cries as he slaughters the Yakuza. As soon as she's out of his periphery, he chops a guy's head off right behind him.
That's sounds pretty awesome, hope something like that appears in the film!
marcvader
10-01-2012, 09:49 AM
he breaks into a dressing room at an opera in Tokyo where a Yakuza boss sits in the front row. Wolverine grabs a costume off a rack (the brown and orange costume) to blend in and walks onto the stage. He then kills everyone in the front row. At first the audience thinks its part of the play but then people start shooting at Wolverine so people begin to storm out of the theatre. Amongst them are Mariko and Noburo - who's personal security rushes to get out. Mariko manages to lock eyes with Wolverine through the mask and she cries as he slaughters the Yakuza. As soon as she's out of his periphery, he chops a guy's head off right behind him.
You see naysayers? All it takes is some thought in you can come up with a reasonable solution to at least give an instance where wearing a costume is plausible.
X-Maniac
10-01-2012, 03:51 PM
You see naysayers? All it takes is some thought in you can come up with a reasonable solution to at least give an instance where wearing a costume is plausible.
I'm just not sure that such a costume - the style and 'fit' of it, especially - would be something worn in a Japanese play.
I prefer my own idea of it being something especially devised for a ritual in an attempt to help Wolverine is helped to embrace the animal (while wearing it) and suppress the animal (when not wearing it). A way of trying to separate his animal and human aspects so that he can switch between them and not be dominated by either one.
marcvader
10-01-2012, 04:14 PM
Whatever but my point is the mask can be done.
Alexei Belyakov
10-01-2012, 06:10 PM
I'm just not sure that such a costume - the style and 'fit' of it, especially - would be something worn in a Japanese play.
I prefer my own idea of it being something especially devised for a ritual in an attempt to help Wolverine is helped to embrace the animal (while wearing it) and suppress the animal (when not wearing it). A way of trying to separate his animal and human aspects so that he can switch between them and not be dominated by either one.
Thing is, there's no need to separate the man from the animal but rather train the man to control the animal.
In the script, Wolverine is the animal throughout the first act, killing dozens of people brutally. In the second act, through training, he learns to control the animal and kill like a warrior.
The scene with the costume is brilliant because at first Mariko's not sure its him. When she locks eyes with him through the mask she realizes it is him and is immediately mortified to see the man she loves slaughter all those people.
X-Maniac
10-01-2012, 06:36 PM
Thing is, there's no need to separate the man from the animal but rather train the man to control the animal.
In the script, Wolverine is the animal throughout the first act, killing dozens of people brutally. In the second act, through training, he learns to control the animal and kill like a warrior.
The scene with the costume is brilliant because at first Mariko's not sure its him. When she locks eyes with him through the mask she realizes it is him and is immediately mortified to see the man she loves slaughter all those people.
It sounds great if they could pull it off. Seeing the costume would be a fantastic geek-out moment.
Alexei Belyakov
10-01-2012, 06:41 PM
It sounds great if they could pull it off. Seeing the costume would be a fantastic geek-out moment.
Definitely.
It takes me back to Point Break when Keanu has the drop on Swayze & they lock eyes, Swayze's baby blues piercing through the Reagan mask...just awesome.
he breaks into a dressing room at an opera in Tokyo where a Yakuza boss sits in the front row. Wolverine grabs a costume off a rack (the brown and orange costume) to blend in and walks onto the stage. He then kills everyone in the front row. At first the audience thinks its part of the play but then people start shooting at Wolverine so people begin to storm out of the theatre. Amongst them are Mariko and Noburo - who's personal security rushes to get out. Mariko manages to lock eyes with Wolverine through the mask and she cries as he slaughters the Yakuza. As soon as she's out of his periphery, he chops a guy's head off right behind him.
That sounds cool but
Is it just for a scene or does he wear it the rest of the movie?
marcvader
10-01-2012, 09:30 PM
Just for that scene. It's a nod to the fans.
Alexei Belyakov
10-01-2012, 09:48 PM
Just for that scene. It's a nod to the fans.
Yep.
There are more nods, like the origin of the hair style .
GREEN =w= DAY
10-06-2012, 10:57 PM
whoa...so the script leaked?
def28
10-06-2012, 11:07 PM
whoa...so the script leaked?
The one being discussed is Aronofskys draft. So its more then likely been changed since then.
Alexei Belyakov
10-07-2012, 03:20 AM
The one being discussed is Aronofskys draft. So its more then likely been changed since then.
Its definitely been changed.
We got that set construction report a few months ago that revealed a second mutant in the film and a WWII Japanese prison camp. Neither of those are in Aronofsky's draft nor is Viper - who features heavily in Mangold's film.
Great Mind(s)
10-07-2012, 08:24 AM
Well we haven't seen too much of Viper in the set reports and whatnot. Maybe her role isn't HUGE...
They better not be pulling another Origins...
marvelrobbins
10-07-2012, 04:40 PM
Well Viper was In 2010 story breakdown that leaked so I am guessing she was In original
script dropped from Aronofsky's rewrite and put back in rewrite after James Mangold came
on.It's should also be noted while a WWII japanese prison camp sequenze was added
we have had no indiction of the second mutant the site mentioned Inless Viper Is
second mutant.
Alexei Belyakov
10-07-2012, 04:57 PM
Well Viper was In 2010 story breakdown that leaked so I am guessing she was In original
script dropped from Aronofsky's rewrite and put back in rewrite after James Mangold came
on.
My guess as well.
rogue trooper
10-12-2012, 01:09 PM
he breaks into a dressing room at an opera in Tokyo where a Yakuza boss sits in the front row. Wolverine grabs a costume off a rack (the brown and orange costume) to blend in and walks onto the stage. He then kills everyone in the front row. At first the audience thinks its part of the play but then people start shooting at Wolverine so people begin to storm out of the theatre. Amongst them are Mariko and Noburo - who's personal security rushes to get out. Mariko manages to lock eyes with Wolverine through the mask and she cries as he slaughters the Yakuza. As soon as she's out of his periphery, he chops a guy's head off right behind him.
Brilliant! I always knew this could be done!
DJ Kornphlake
10-12-2012, 03:05 PM
I'm sorry, but that just sounds really hokey.
def28
10-12-2012, 03:17 PM
Really which part?
Wolverine butchering and decapitating people? Or the fact hes in disguise and cant be seen?
Alexei Belyakov
10-12-2012, 03:50 PM
I'm sorry, but that just sounds really hokey.
I think its a brilliant way to find use for the costume cinematically.
It also makes for one of the best emotional moments between Wolverine & Mariko. To see this monster butcher all those people & then realize its the man she loves...she can't get close to him to calm or console him...when they lock eyes through the mask she sees just how far away from her he is now, and so does he. She cries, he goes right back to killing.
Brilliant.
DJ Kornphlake
10-12-2012, 04:00 PM
A superhero pulling his iconic suit from a stage play costume rack is just too corny. It would come off like Steve Rogers in his stage costume in CATFA, except the humor wouldn't be intentional.
def28
10-12-2012, 06:14 PM
I think it would be more on the side of creepy and insane. He aint gonna be signing and dancing in it haha
Alexei Belyakov
10-12-2012, 09:06 PM
A superhero pulling his iconic suit from a stage play costume rack is just too corny. It would come off like Steve Rogers in his stage costume in CATFA, except the humor wouldn't be intentional.
Wolverine is no superhero in Aronofsky's screenplay. He's a killer, a broken man, an animal. Not a superhero.
There really is no other way to justify the costume.
Also, unlike Cap's costume in the USO, this costume actually serves a purpose - to give Wolverine & Mariko that moment of truth where they lock eyes & she instantly realizes what's happened to the man she loves after he was torn from her life.
DaveMoral
10-16-2012, 08:57 PM
Depending on the time period, I could easily see a spandex type costume on a Japanese set of some kind. I'm thinking something related to Super Sentai type stuff.
The Infernal
10-20-2012, 09:20 PM
I'm sorry, but that just sounds really hokey.
I have to agree. It sounds like a miss aimed nod to the fans, it devalues the costume itself and makes it some random throwaway disguise.
Alexei Belyakov
10-20-2012, 10:13 PM
I have to agree. It sounds like a miss aimed nod to the fans, it devalues the costume itself and makes it some random throwaway disguise.
Have you been reading the context of the costume's appearance?
Because said reasoning for its use is ten times more valid & relevant to character development & storytelling than any justification for it that ever existed in the books.
Its one of the best emotional moments between Wolverine & Mariko. To see this monster butcher all those people & then realize its the man she loves...she can't get close to him to calm or console him...when they lock eyes through the mask she sees just how far away from her he is now, and so does he. She cries, he goes right back to killing.
Its quite brilliant.
The Infernal
10-20-2012, 10:29 PM
Have you been reading the context of the costume's appearance?
Because said reasoning for its use is ten times more valid & relevant to character development & storytelling than any justification for it that ever existed in the books.
Its one of the best emotional moments between Wolverine & Mariko. To see this monster butcher all those people & then realize its the man she loves...she can't get close to him to calm or console him...when they lock eyes through the mask she sees just how far away from her he is now, and so does he. She cries, he goes right back to killing.
Its quite brilliant.
No, I get what the scene is trying to do (and I'll admit that sounds interesting), but that has nothing to do with the costume itself. You would lose nothing in that scene if you swapped out Wolverine's costume for another random costume. The suit's presence is more or less meaningless other than an in-joke.
Personally I don't think the costume would look good in that situation since it would have to look like it's something appropriate for its use in that scene. It's not likely to look like a serious adaptation of the suit as it would have if it were actually meant for him and for the purpose of battle.
Alexei Belyakov
10-20-2012, 11:59 PM
No, I get what the scene is trying to do (and I'll admit that sounds interesting), but that has nothing to do with the costume itself. You would lose nothing in that scene if you swapped out Wolverine's costume for another random costume. The suit's presence is more or less meaningless other than an in-joke.
Personally I don't think the costume would look good in that situation since it would have to look like it's something appropriate for its use in that scene. It's not likely to look like a serious adaptation of the suit as it would have if it were actually meant for him and for the purpose of battle.
Thing is, Wolverine doesn't need a battle suit. He is the battle suit.
There's really no way to justify a costume for him. Singer vetoed the mask in X-MEN because he felt Wolverine had no reason to hide & gave him an X-suit that belonged to Scott. I agree completely with said decisions because in the real world Wolverine would never wear a costume.
That's why the opera scene works so well for me. Its an intelligent nod to the fans that doesn't take the story from grounded to nonsensical.
The Infernal
10-21-2012, 04:29 PM
Personally I think it's subjective. The mask didn't work for Singer, a different director might have thought otherwise. I disagree that Wolverine doesn't need a costume or a mask. I wouldn't say either costume or no costume is necessarily wrong, just that I would prefer to have it (and I've yet to see a convincing argument as to why it can't or shouldn't be done).
You can only get so much realism into an adaptation like Wolverine and frankly I think a costume (one that fits the tone of the movie) would be one of the lesser concerns when it comes to making the film grounded. If they can have Silver Samurai dress like.... well, a Silver Samurai, then I would find it hard to scoff at Wolverine having a costume (unless it was a bright yellow spandex costume and went against the tone of the movie).
UnionJack
10-21-2012, 04:35 PM
Personally if they go with a suit I'd LOVE to see the XForce suit, since Fox don't care for continuity or sticking with the comics IF they put him in a suit this would work best.
Its black and stealth so wouldn't stand out as much as the other suits and .... well look at it ... its so badass!
http://i.imgur.com/E1hSU.jpg
The Infernal
10-26-2012, 02:38 AM
I think if you were going to give Wolverine's costume a more militaristic look (as if it were given to him by a military operation like Department H or something like that) then the X-Force suit is a good option to adapt. Though I wouldn't mind a costume somewhat based on the yellow and blue classic design (though the colours would have to played around with a bit).
Though I think that if they had a Wolverine costume for this movie then a more Samurai or Ninja-like design with the red and yellow colours could make a good costume.
Glutton
10-28-2012, 06:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuKQ3Oc97Wk
Start at 2:10.
S. Grundy
10-28-2012, 02:57 PM
Seen it. Still looks stupid as hell.
x-fan
10-28-2012, 04:36 PM
Seen it. Still looks stupid as hell.
so does batman's but looks fine in the movie, it is called entertainment.
The Infernal
10-28-2012, 07:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuKQ3Oc97Wk
Start at 2:10.
That's fine for cosplay, but laughable for a movie. Even Arrow's costume production could do better.
Project862006
10-28-2012, 08:35 PM
so does batman's but looks fine in the movie, it is called entertainment.
batman's mask has never looked dumb cant compare this mask
http://www.gbposters.com/images/gbposters-com/lightbox/b7f7/9479/batman_comic_maxi_poster.jpg
to this
http://boomstickcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/wolverine14.jpg
SoNicRaDiATioN
10-28-2012, 10:27 PM
I'd love to see Wolverine's mask on film. Just pick a less dramatic example to make it more practical. Something like this:
http://www.wolverinefiles.com/Images/wolverine-weapon-x.jpg
x-fan
10-28-2012, 10:59 PM
I love that every time someone want's to argue against something they always throw out the most outrageous examples, or the yellow and blue spandex. I said that Wolverine's mask would look no less silly than Bat's does on film
Bruce Malone
10-28-2012, 11:29 PM
Wolverine has no backstory for his mask that's the problem. Yes batman's mask looks ridiculous in most contexts but his whole MO is taking what scared him as a child and adopting it as his persona to a)scare criminals and b) protect his identity.
Wolverine is not much more of a nickname since he doesn't really try to look like a wolverine nor was he really inspired by wolverines. So his costume and mask just come off looking garish and pointless (what are those mask fins supposed to be anyways?). Not to mention wolverine barely knows his own identity let alone tries to protect it.
He has a "i don't give a **** attitude" which is usually counter to someone wearing a flamboyant mask. Wolverine is probably the worst example of a comic character with a mask just for the sake of being drawn with one.
Project862006
10-29-2012, 12:06 AM
^pretty much he doesn't have a secret identity like batman and spiderman
and doesn't cover a disfigurement like say deadpool
whats the point of wearing it when no other x men wears one and logically has no reason to wear it singer and fox made the right choice not to give him one
SoNicRaDiATioN
10-29-2012, 12:31 AM
I'm sure we won't see it, but the costume is iconic and I'd love for there to be a reason he needs it in one of these films. He could base the mask on ceremonial samurai armor while in training, to get him more focused and in the mindset. Even if we see it for a brief moment, I'd love to see it brought to life on film. I certainly won't lose sleep over it, nor will I offer a passionate argument for why we should see it. It seems silly to do so considering you already have to leave much of these films to the imagination anyway.
The Infernal
10-29-2012, 06:15 AM
Wolverine has no backstory for his mask that's the problem.
For you. I can't really see most people wondering why Wolverine wears a costume or a mask when watching the movie in the cinema. It's only fans that tend to over think the little things like that.
Bruce Malone
10-29-2012, 04:44 PM
For you. I can't really see most people wondering why Wolverine wears a costume or a mask when watching the movie in the cinema. It's only fans that tend to over think the little things like that.
No, not for me it has no backstory and you really think most people in the audience won't question why after seeing him for more than decade without a mask why wolverine would suddenly randomly choose to put one on?
The Infernal
10-29-2012, 09:01 PM
No, not for me it has no backstory and you really think most people in the audience won't question why after seeing him for more than decade without a mask why wolverine would suddenly randomly choose to put one on?
They didn't have a big backstory for the costumes in the previous movies. They provided some context, but didn't go about giving them a backstory like they did in Batman. Introducing a costume with a mask in the proper context wouldn't really get the "he doesn't need/want a costume/mask" conversation you see on these boards by the average cinema audience. I'm not saying it needs no explanation and that he'd just suddenly put one on, just that it doesn't need much in the way of one for people to buy into it.
x-fan
10-30-2012, 10:17 AM
Look he don't have to wear it constantly only in a action scene, give it night vision or thermal abilities for better vision at night, some excuse to wear it, and the same excuse for the look of it could be used that batman uses, it is meant to scare or look intimidating in the night or shadows.
Project862006
10-30-2012, 10:42 AM
his 6 adamantium claws and berserker rage scare people enough lol
They didn't have a big backstory for the costumes in the previous movies. They provided some context, but didn't go about giving them a backstory like they did in Batman. Introducing a costume with a mask in the proper context wouldn't really get the "he doesn't need/want a costume/mask" conversation you see on these boards by the average cinema audience. I'm not saying it needs no explanation and that he'd just suddenly put one on, just that it doesn't need much in the way of one for people to buy into it.
context and story for the suits were pretty simple same reason a football team wear a suit
x men are a team thats all that was needed
DaveMoral
10-30-2012, 02:45 PM
Look he don't have to wear it constantly only in a action scene, give it night vision or thermal abilities for better vision at night, some excuse to wear it, and the same excuse for the look of it could be used that batman uses, it is meant to scare or look intimidating in the night or shadows.
Wth would Wolverine need night vision goggles? He's already got heightened senses including night vision.
x-fan
10-30-2012, 09:58 PM
Wth would Wolverine need night vision goggles? He's already got heightened senses including night vision.
he only has night vision in the video game, his x-force mask gives him infra-red that is why the lenses are red in x-force.
Guerrilla
12-01-2012, 07:42 PM
Regardless of the content of this video, I dig the mask he wears...skip to 2:10
http://youtu.be/UuKQ3Oc97Wk:word:
Hawkingbird
12-02-2012, 02:49 AM
Maybe they could do a sarcastic comment towards it like they did in X1.
BoredGuy
12-04-2012, 03:31 PM
no thanks.
I'm over directors taking snarky shots at the source material because they think theyre just too damn cool for it.
it'd be like if they gave Cap hardcore body armor and said "Pssh, this is a war, what're ya gunna do, carry a shield?? Guffaw!"
ThePhantasm
12-04-2012, 03:41 PM
I'm over directors taking snarky shots at the source material because they think theyre just too damn cool for it.
Yeah, I've never found those jokes all that funny...
Hawkingbird
12-04-2012, 03:47 PM
In moderation I think they're a good nod to the comics :o
psylockolussus
12-05-2012, 12:01 AM
Yeah, I've never found those jokes all that funny...
They aren't funny to me but like Hawkingbird said, its a good nod to the source material.
Hawkingbird
12-05-2012, 02:27 AM
If they were to do it, it should be padded and bulky.
*Whiplash*
12-12-2012, 01:55 PM
I would imagine his respone to wearing a mask would be the same response he gave to Charles and Magneto in XM:FC...
BoredGuy
12-12-2012, 02:47 PM
In the movies we've gotten so far, yes, that probably would be his attitude
and with Singer helming DOFP, there's no hope of seeing it there.
All we can do is pray Mangold throws us a bone.
Great Mind(s)
12-13-2012, 07:40 AM
I feel like they could include it in that scene from the one script
Cagefighterkip
12-24-2012, 03:42 AM
I feel like they could include it in that scene from the one script
I hope so. I'd like to see the suit, if only for one moment. Sadly, the closest we've come to that is Jackman's character in Flushed Away...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2oUmI3KMEnY/RnLlaCHrzgI/AAAAAAAAAM4/CwYQ2P0iAZ4/s400/flushed+2.JPG
....LOL jk ;-)
Sun_Down
12-30-2012, 10:24 AM
Regardless of the content of this video, I dig the mask he wears...skip to 2:10
http://youtu.be/UuKQ3Oc97Wk:word:
That's just awful. Please, nothing like that.
Neither a mask nor a colorful costume does a Wolverine make. The scene discussed earlier in this thread would be a nice nod, but him walking around in that thing would just be silly.
Nathan
12-30-2012, 10:40 AM
Even Marvel didn't give Hawkeye his classic costume in the Avengers Movie, and that studio gave Captain America 3 versions of his outfit, including the silly tights one for his stage act. Beyond a nod or a short scene, I guess we all should stop hoping that Wolverine will ever wear anything resembling his classic attire.
UnionJack
12-30-2012, 04:15 PM
I don't see why people hate the X-Force suit, it looks badass. Much better than any other suit he's had.
Guerrilla
01-01-2013, 06:56 PM
That's just awful. Please, nothing like that.
Neither a mask nor a colorful costume does a Wolverine make. The scene discussed earlier in this thread would be a nice nod, but him walking around in that thing would just be silly.
Fair enough.:yay: Maybe just a ninja-esque mask would suffice.
Guerrilla
01-01-2013, 07:31 PM
I suck at photoshopped stuff but ... something like this...kinda..original image by Bumhand
on deviantart.
http://i.imgur.com/IKLKS.jpg
UnionJack
01-02-2013, 03:54 AM
I suck at photoshopped stuff but ... something like this...kinda..original image by Bumhand
on deviantart.
http://i.imgur.com/IKLKS.jpg
Are those Shrek ears?
I don't understand what its supposed to be!
Guerrilla
01-02-2013, 01:19 PM
Are those Shrek ears?
I don't understand what its supposed to be!
I know its a bad job but it's supposed to be the mask ends tied around his head blowing in the wind...kinda. lol. :ninja:
Nathan
01-02-2013, 01:22 PM
I could actually see him wear this, way before the classic mask.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2386/wolverine5.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/41/wolverine5.gif/)
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