Avengers cartoon - Part 5

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[BigThor]

I got chills with Thor's return to Earth, and the fact he saved the day. It truly was his moment to shine. It was nice to see.

It was also nice to see Wasp FINALLY knock out a supervillain (aside from the Pym Skrull, which was funny) when she put the one Super-Skrull down. They play the "Wasp flies around a villain, shooting her stings at them with no effect" card way too many times on this show.

I agree, Thor's return to earth was a great moment to be a Thor fan. :up:

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/19/the-boy-who-hated-ultimate-spider-man/ = yeah, so much for confirmation...

[IronGirl299]

Well, now it's confirmed:


Oh well at least as long as we get Avengers it works for me, and as long as they end and tie up the second season well with no loose ends.

[SlackBrian]

Well, now it's confirmed:
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[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Well, now it's confirmed:


the nail has finally been driven into the Avengers coffin...

and now the era of the dumbed-down and kiddified Avengers begins...

how sad... how pathetic...

[RealIrOnMaN]

New episodes:#45: "Emperor Stark" - June 18, 2012 (Australia)
"The Vision awakens after a month of repairs to find that Tony Stark and the Avengers have taken over the world."

#46: "Code Red" - June 19, 2012 (Australia)
"Strange fumes sicken all of the Avengers except for Iron Man, whose suit of armor provides him with protection. Now, the armored avenger must determine the cause of the fumes before the Secretary of Defense shuts the team down."

[RealIrOnMaN]

Obviously:

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[venomfangs125]

Dang, they're just gonna release the entire second season by the end of June aren't they?

And seriously, cancelling this show is yet another idiotic move made by those pigs.

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This. Totally.

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Dang, they're just gonna release the entire second season by the end of June aren't they?

And seriously, cancelling this show is yet another idiotic move made by those pigs.


that's probably the plan in Australia, but when it returns in the US on June 24th, they'll probably drag it out week by week, take another hiatus sometime and then run with it to the final episode...

[Gamma Goliath]

While I'n not thrilled that this show is ending so abruptly, I'm not completely convinced that the new show will be a slapstick action comedy like ultimate spiderman.

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

While I'n not thrilled that this show is ending so abruptly, I'm not completely convinced that the new show will be a slapstick action comedy like ultimate spiderman.

I guess hope really springs eternal, huh?...

[Panthro]

http://i.minus.com/ibqJSamTiPuM4O.gif

This.

[ace69]

Panthro! Fancy seeing you here.

[bigdaddy313]

i cant find the news of the cancellation of the show do u have a link?

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/19/the-boy-who-hated-ultimate-spider-man/

Brief mention on the new show and the other one (Hulk: Agents of SMASH):

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5339/20120605195951.png

More news, releases and info will be available during next week and SDCC'12.

[Colossal Spoons]

the nail has finally been driven into the Avengers coffin...

and now the era of the dumbed-down and kiddified Avengers begins...

how sad... how pathetic...

Agreed. Especially b/c the reason is wanting a less serialized show to make it easier on people who miss an episode or two. Let 'em figure out how to watch the missed episodes like every other show :down:

[OB12]

Agreed. Especially b/c the reason is wanting a less serialized show to make it easier on people who miss an episode or two. Let 'em figure out how to watch the missed episodes like every other show :down:



I hate when I hear that given as a reason to change the show. Loeb and Quesada should wake up and realize the times that we live in. It was a valid concern back in the 90s, when if you missed an episode, you were just out of luck. Networks would move programs around and you had almost no way to know about it. Nowadays, if you were to happen upon A:EMH now and liked it, you could easily go to Netflix or Youtube and catch up on the whole thing in a day or two. It is just stupid reasoning.

[Lady Marion]

Well, now it's confirmed:

Don't know how the new series will be, but for EMH it's really sad. bah.

[Nathan]

I will give that new series a chance. But if the first Episode should be some ridiculous crap like USM, I'm out and won't be looking back.

[venomfangs125]

I will give that new series a chance. But if the first Episode should be some ridiculous crap like USM, I'm out and won't be looking back.

Seconded. It's a shame. The Avengers have come a long way since Graviton.

I just hope the 52nd episode doesn't leave a cliffhanger. I think we all can agree, that'd be the worst.

[Panthro]

Seconded. It's a shame. The Avengers have come a long way since Graviton.

I just hope the 52nd episode doesn't leave a cliffhanger. I think we all can agree, that'd be the worst.

Unresolved cliffhangers are evil! :cmad:

[Spidey-Bat]

Well, now it's confirmed:

I'm done with Marvel cartoons. The last good one that didn't get canceled was Evolution. Everything since has been garbage or canceled early. Here they have a great cartoon and a prime opportunity to promote it due to the movie, instead they throw it to the curb. I would have even been fine if they tweaked character designs to look more like the Ultimates since I actually do like some of the modern costumes for some characters like Capt and Hawkeye.

[Arthur Curry]

I'm done with Marvel cartoons. Here they have a great cartoon and a prime opportunity to promote it due to the movie, instead they throw it to the curb.

That's what makes me crazy too!! I keep forgetting to post exactly this. With the AVENGERS film just doing juggernaut business the friggin animated series goes on a dopey inexplicably lame hiatus in the midst of it's mammoth run, knee deep in fact. Total suicide run in my book (although cancellation seemed to be inevitable).

You'd think DISNEY-XD/Marvel would have MARATHONS of AMEH to get fans excited and keep the engine humming but NOTHING except just a coupla new eps that took them a friggin year to trot out. Also you'd think they'd have coincided the Skrull saga (with all the build, hype, and hoopla from the previous eps in a major event fashion and air like a movie with "Prisoner of War", "Infiltrated", and "Secret Invasion" kicking it off. But we Americans have to deport ourselves to the Outback Avengers House to get our AEMH fix AGAIN, and for the second season in a row!

Another reason to hate ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN is this effin sh*%-show seemed to control how AEMH aired as well.

[Scourge2099]

I'm done with Marvel cartoons. The last good one that didn't get canceled was Evolution. Everything since has been garbage or canceled early. Here they have a great cartoon and a prime opportunity to promote it due to the movie, instead they throw it to the curb. I would have even been fine if they tweaked character designs to look more like the Ultimates since I actually do like some of the modern costumes for some characters like Capt and Hawkeye.
I agree with everything in this post. I really loved Spectacular Spider-Man till they canceled it , but was willing to give Marvel a second chance. Avengers : EMH could've been their answer to DC's Timmverse , but no they had to kill it.:whatever:

[Spidey_62]

That's what makes me crazy too!! I keep forgetting to post exactly this. With the AVENGERS film just doing juggernaut business the friggin animated series goes on a dopey inexplicably lame hiatus in the midst of it's mammoth run, knee deep in fact.

You'd think DISNEY-XD/Marvel would have MARATHONS of AMEH to get fans excited and keep the engine humming but NOTHING except just a coupla new eps that took them a friggin year to trot out. Also you'd think they'd have coincided the Skrull saga in a major event and air like a movie with "Prisoner of War", "Infiltrated", and "Secret Invasion" kicking it off. But we Americans have to deport ourselves to the Outback Avengers House to get our AEMH fix AGAIN, and for the second season in a row!

Another reason to hate ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN is this effin seemed to control how AEMH aired as well.

Yeah, Disney XD really does a crappy job of promoting this show or even airing it. The only times they air it are on Sundays twice. While they air blocks of other crappy shows they have every dang day of the week.

[Arthur Curry]

I agree with everything in this post. I really loved Spectacular Spider-Man till they canceled it , but was willing to give Marvel a second chance. Avengers : EMH could've been their answer to DC's Timmverse , but no they had to kill it.:whatever:

I think AEMH could have been Marvel's answer to THE SIMPSONS in terms of longevity and continuity! It doesn't ever need to end with the different lineups you could do as well as the limitless storylines with GAME ON for just about any character in Marvel who could be potentially be an Avenger.

[Arthur Curry]

Yeah, Disney XD really does a crappy job of promoting this show or even airing it. The only times they air it are on Sundays twice. While they air blocks of other crappy shows they have every dang day of the week.

The dogs%$# DISNEY XD runs in blocks in friggin embarrassing, and I don't know a single kid that digs these irritating shows. YET they run at leasy 10x more than AEMH does which directly related to a movie breaking world records every day.

[Anubis]

Well, to be fair, Phineas and Ferb is awesome. :o

[r0derix]

To be different here, I am in favor of cancelling it, for this reason: I would rather cancel it then let it continue under the guidance of Loeb and Man of Action. Yes, ideally, it would continue under Chris Yost and Josh Fine, but both have moved on (Chris to the Marvel movie writing program I believe, Josh to I am not sure). But with the main driving force behind it gone, I would not want to watch this show spiral downward under the direction of Man of Action. It would be a shell of its former self, painful to watch. Rather kill it now and remember the good times then let it continue poorly (Simpsons I'm looking at you...).

[IronGirl299]

Just got back from catching up on all episodes 3-14 and stoked for the fifteenth. Pretty cool stuff here that made fangirl-squeal, and the way they handled Secret Invasion was very well done. Also that Spidey episode did more justice to the character (even with Drake Bell's voice) than USM is doing so far. I'm happy with what they've done on this show and as long as they don't leave us with a cliffhanger and/or anticlimactic ending to the series my geek heart will be pacified.

[Cyclonus]

I saw in another forum a couple of people have already watch the next episodes Powerless and Assautl on 42. I guess more episodes have been coming out, I still haven't found them yet online, if any else those PM me.

[venomfangs125]

^^ Give it until Saturday.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Watching the new eps right now.

[SaF]

wow, so I found the australian released episodes on youtube and watched all of them from 'nightmare in red' to 'behold the vision' and... there are far too many thoughts rattling around in my head to write all of them down except this one, this show is so amazing, HOW can they rationally cancel it!?

surely a new show is a gamble, while an established show with a supportive fan base is a safer bet? I just don't understand the logic behind the desicion, it almost seems like it is the whim of the people currently incharge.

Thors return = totally amazing, although how did iron man get through to him? do those avenger cards now work across worlds? A minor nitpick, it was ace to watch him blasting the skrull, satilites, well pretty much everything and rockin his new look!

its great to have real cap back, and to finally see the skrull cap get his come uppance.

I'm kinda sad that the team seems to have forgotten about hulk, surely they should be trying to clear his name, rather than prioritise other stuff like taking trips to waconda to fix cap's sheild? I know it was skrull cap that made that promise, not real cap, but you would think at least hawkeye would be rooting for busting him out.

also hawkeye for a king? fantastic =)

[RealIrOnMaN]

"Powerless" was okay, but kinda passable. Nothing special about its features, although there are some nice moments here and there. The Big Three transformations were weird. Dr. Blake and World's Most Wanted Stark references were pretty neat. You really can feel the different atmosphere with Yost and co. gone (even the animation doesn't feel the same). A little bit dull in the moments (the main threat was unimpressive, almost too easy to defeat, just like the MCU version), but all in all - a decent episode.

[RealIrOnMaN]

"Assault on 42" - not a filler one by any means. Great action bits and interaction between certain characters. Seeing the big A's might and his army slowly causing all the damage was the biggest surprise for me, so the suspense and creepy part of the episode worked pretty well. The team-up aspect certainly rocked, very dynamic and visually stunning. The ending disappointed me a little bit, because I expected something bigger and more important to be addressed (like this show's team always did in the early episodes).

[RealIrOnMaN]

After the epic Ultron saga in the 1st season and the recent introduction of Vision, I had reservations and expectations (not too high though, since we all perfectly know about the change of EMH's creative crew) set for the "Ultron Unlimited" episode.

I never fancied the idea of the cyborg-Avengers (not in the comics and def. not in the Next Avengers DTV). That got me disturbed and worried through the rest of the episode. Ultron had more plans in this episode, but less actions and realizations of whatever he cooked up, so that didn't do it for me as well. But my faith in the episode was restored once the Vision started acting as he did in the comics (when he first discovered his human side) and opposed his master. If only we didn't get the descriptions of the future episodes, then the ending would've been more significant...

And with that (not paying attention to the new direction), it's almost too sad to acknowledge the fact that I won't see the continuation of this show ever again, since there are only 9 episodes left.

[MarvelKnight]

the nail has finally been driven into the Avengers coffin...

and now the era of the dumbed-down and kiddified Avengers begins...

how sad... how pathetic...

Pretty sure we'll all know the direction of this new show after one episode.. maybe they'll get two out of me if they are lucky. But I will not be worried about watching Marvel's animation block anymore

[MarvelKnight]

That said, I've caught all the episodes that have been released. And this show is awesome. Vision looked amazing in the last one(that I watched) Secret Invasion was just epic imho. Sad to see the show go.

[Casius--J]

OK so its officially been cancelled now I'm reading. I'm officially done with Marvel Animation at this point. I will watch the remaining episodes of EMH and thats it. To be honest Marvel Animation hasn't had the best track record when you think back, since the 90's most of them only last about two seasons barring X-Men TAS, Spider-Man TAS and X-Men Evolution.

I'm just quite annoyed by this, I think more so is because its not the Avengers themselves that they're moving on from but just this particular show.

[MarvelKnight]

Yeah, it is annoying and ridiculous.

[bigdaddy313]

can someone please pm me the 2 new episode i will very much appreciate it

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

with all the noise being made about Drake Bell's voice being dubbed over Josh Keaton's in the Along Came A Spider episode, I found it kind of amusing that in that episode, Clay Quartermain asked Spidey, "What's wrong with your voice?"

wonder if that was someone's dig that was slipped in after the redub...

[Gamma Ra]

As far as the new Avengers Assemble show, I'm not sure how good it will be or if it'll be anything as good as AEMHs but I'm sure after the success of the movie, this will be promoted.

[MarvelKnight]

with all the noise being made about Drake Bell's voice being dubbed over Josh Keaton's in the Along Came A Spider episode, I found it kind of amusing that in that episode, Clay Quartermain asked Spidey, "What's wrong with your voice?"

wonder if that was someone's dig that was slipped in after the redub...

Even with the dub over, I actually didn't mind his voice in Along Came A Spider... It was nice to see spider-man act and feel like, Oh, I don't know --Spider-Man-- rather than that garbage over on USM.

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Even with the dub over, I actually didn't mind his voice in Along Came A Spider... It was nice to see spider-man act and feel like, Oh, I don't know --Spider-Man-- rather than that garbage over on USM.

gotta give ya THAT, MK... it WAS nice seein' Spidey not behave like the usual horse's ass that he does over at USM...

[terry78]

Didn't we get this with Super Hero Squad?

[Sarcastic Fan]

Powerless

This. Is. Going. To. Be. Painful.

Enchantress approaches Loki in his torture prison and offers him his freedom if he destroys Thor. To that end, she casts a spell on Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man that removes their powers. The spell will only be restored if .........

WHAT?!?!?!?!!?!?! The spell only lasts until the cursed finds INNER STRENGTH? Of all the cheesey LAME OVERDONE SATURDAY MORNING SPECIALS!!!!!!!! Thank you, Man of Action. CAP SHOULD HAVE REVERTED IMMEDIATELY, considering the Strength he showed in "Along Came A Spider". COME ON!

Well, I guess only Thor is the one who needs to learn humility and inner strength. WHAT THE ****!? Thor was willing to GIVE UP HIS HAMMER to BETA RAY BILL because he felt Bill NEEDED it MORE! How MUCH MORE CHARACTER DOES HE NEED TO SHOW? IT'S FRICKIN' MJOLNIR! This is the sort of Thor story you do in season one. Which…THEY ALREADY DID. THOR'S HUBRIS is WHAT PUT LOKI IN POWER IN ASGARD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND ANOTHER THING!!!!! IRON MAN'S ARMOR? REALLY? YOU DO KNOW THAT HE HAS MORE SUITS, RIGHT?

If they're going to take away Tony's science skills, why didn't Hawkeye get hit and loose his depth perception?

Oh…Really? Loki? Ending on a cliched villain line? YOU'RE BETTER THAN THAT!!!!

Yeah... remember, Jeph Loeb called "Man of Action" the best in the animation field. Not Chris Yost. Not Josh Fine. Not Greg Weisman. Not Bruce Timm. Not... shall I keep going?

[SlackBrian]

Powerless

This. Is. Going. To. Be. Painful.

Enchantress approaches Loki in his torture prison and offers him his freedom if he destroys Thor. To that end, she casts a spell on Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man that removes their powers. The spell will only be restored if .........

WHAT?!?!?!?!!?!?! The spell only lasts until the cursed finds INNER STRENGTH? Of all the cheesey LAME OVERDONE SATURDAY MORNING SPECIALS!!!!!!!! Thank you, Man of Action. CAP SHOULD HAVE REVERTED IMMEDIATELY, considering the Strength he showed in "Along Came A Spider". COME ON!

Well, I guess only Thor is the one who needs to learn humility and inner strength. WHAT THE ****!? Thor was willing to GIVE UP HIS HAMMER to BETA RAY BILL because he felt Bill NEEDED it MORE! How MUCH MORE CHARACTER DOES HE NEED TO SHOW? IT'S FRICKIN' MJOLNIR! This is the sort of Thor story you do in season one. Which…THEY ALREADY DID. THOR'S HUBRIS is WHAT PUT LOKI IN POWER IN ASGARD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND ANOTHER THING!!!!! IRON MAN'S ARMOR? REALLY? YOU DO KNOW THAT HE HAS MORE SUITS, RIGHT?

If they're going to take away Tony's science skills, why didn't Hawkeye get hit and loose his depth perception?

Oh…Really? Loki? Ending on a cliched villain line? YOU'RE BETTER THAN THAT!!!!

Yeah... remember, Jeph Loeb called "Man of Action" the best in the animation field. Not Chris Yost. Not Josh Fine. Not Greg Weisman. Not Bruce Timm. Not... shall I keep going?
I think it would be fair to at least put some of your post in spoilers, since not everyone is going to see it at the same time as you. Since we're all seeing them online, there's no set schedule, so it wouldn't be bad to black out some of the critical plot details or something.

But, in response to your points:

I got the impression that the spell was focused on Thor, and so it had to be Thor who broke everyone free of it. Iron Man and Cap were beside Thor when he was hit with the spell, so they got caught in the crossfire unintentionally. Hawkeye was well behind them, so he didn't get hit.

Other than that, I generally agree with your points. It also kind of reduced Loki to a one-off pawn of a villain, which is kind of degrading, since he was the main antagonist of the entire first season.

[BigThor]

I just watched the "Powerless" and "Assault On 42" episodes and I can honestly say I enjoyed both of them quite a bit. Two awesome villains were used in those episodes, one being The Destroyer who was controlled by Loki and the other being Annihilus.

It's safe to say Cap's inspiring words and leadership abilities are being shown much more, especially with him inspiring a mortal Thor and giving everyone orders in "Assault On 42". Tony Stark has also been much less of a jerk this season and I've probably seen the most likeable Stark yet in "Powerless". Thor is also a MUCH more capable warrior this season and the team usually relies on him for the "hard hitting" action and big power displays.

Did anyone else notice Thor filling Executioner in on the Enchantress situation in "Assault On 42"? I think it's foreshadowing Skurge performing his famous "Last Stand" against Surtur's forces later this season.

[RaZaTrOn]

I really enjoyed the latest episodes. I think that they've done some fantastic things with the characters that i'd love to see translated into the MCU. Especially Cap's lines as he beats down his Skrull imposter - that was amazing. Along with Tony's line about the Wrecking Crew, great humour.

Ultron Unlimited was also fantastic!

[Dark Raven]

Hulk doesn't seem to have played for a while since being forced to surrender to the Hulk Busters. He wasn't there at all at the end of the Skrull invasion and even afterwards. They seem to have just forgotten about him.

[BigThor]

Hulk doesn't seem to have played for a while since being forced to surrender to the Hulk Busters. He wasn't there at all at the end of the Skrull invasion and even afterwards. They seem to have just forgotten about him.

Hulk's "break" isn't anywhere near as long as Thor's, he was away from the team all the way until the 12th episode.

[RaZaTrOn]

Hulk doesn't seem to have played for a while since being forced to surrender to the Hulk Busters. He wasn't there at all at the end of the Skrull invasion and even afterwards. They seem to have just forgotten about him.

Well he was taken away because of his 'crimes' for attacking SHIELD. He'll certainly be back in the episode 'The Deadliest Man Alive'. He might even make an appearance in 'Code Red'.

As of now i'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the Vision, that last scene in 'Ultron Unlimited' was really emotional.

[Cyclonus]

I've watched Assault on 42 and Powerless. I like Powerless a little more than I thought I would. Assault on 42 was also a nice episode. Haven't found Ultron Unlimited yet online, still searching.. hint hint help - PM someone. I'm real curious to see the later episode about the Hulk called - The Deadlist Man Alive, it looks like the Hulk time bomb finally goes off. Also isn't Graviton supposed to comeback sometime this season? I thought I read or heard that somewhere. Also isn't Spidey supposed to be in another episode, and I'm still waiting for the X-MEN to appear, as it was rumored.

[IronGirl299]

Some small notable parts of the season so far which I loved:

Mostly, lots of key Marvel characters appearing (like the FF, Spidey, War Machine and Ms. Marvel) even some cameos in Fury's bulletin board of epic Skrull deduction (I fangirled when I saw Scarlet Witch!)

Cap's apparent shipworthy chemistry with Viper in Prisoner of War

Tony's apparent chemistry with almost every female character

Carol's apparent chemistry with Mar-Vell (cue Katy Perry's E.T.)

CASSIE LANG! :D

The drama in To Steal an Ant-Man and Michael Korvac, not to mention a certain jaw-droppingly awesome talking raccoon.

Daisy Johnson (Quake's) appearance and the group's hilarious hazing of Ms. Marvel

Ms. Marvel's epic '**** you' attitude especially when she takes out the Skrull queen. 'Write that!'

FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER

Quartermain asking Spidey 'What's wrong with your voice?' I was like, 'It's not Josh Keaton, that's what's wrong!!'

Veranke calling Nick and Tony by their full names

The funny music at the end of 'Behold, the Vision' when Black Panther armlocks Clint :)

Maria Hill's true and hilarious quote: 'I've had the same car since I was nineteen years old and never had a problem, but this thing (the helicarrier) crashes every Thursday!' Lol.

Love how Fury has his own 'Angels---Mockingbird, Hill and Black Widow (plus Quake)

Wasp: 'I'm just happy we have another girl on the team.'
Tony and Clint: 'Hear hear!'

Hawkeye giving Bruce that weird look in the elevator (made even funnier by Bruce's ridiculous fishing outfit)

Anyone else think of anything they love besides everything?

[RealIrOnMaN]

I guess I'll be always saddened by the fact that we never got any action figures from Hasbro. This is the closest thing we'll ever get to EMH figures:

http://www.thatsnerdalicious.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/superhero-mugs.jpg?cb5e28

I really wanted to have a Tony Stark in a Tron-like suit on my shelf *sigh*

[MarvelKnight]

Just found these other episodes everyone's been talking about. Watching them this afternoon. Woohoo

[venomfangs125]

Finally on youtube. Whew.

Finished watching Powerless and Assault on 42. In the middle of watching Ultron Unlimited.

Several notes. Under spoilers just to be safe:


Good god, Powerless...I was hoping people were wrong but I've never been so happy to be through with an Avengers episode. The only good thing about it was the Destroyer.

42 was epic. Too much action to say which was my favorite.

Ultron Unlimited, I will say this---Vision certainly recieved some payback from Cap, Hawkeye and Wasp. SERIOUSLY, even Wasp managed to knock him on his ass once.

Thor put up quite a fight and I so knew it was Cap instead of the fake.

Why am I not surprised Wasp had something to do with Vision turning?

Yup, definitely liked 42 and Ultron better than Powerless.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Seems like a general consensus with all the fans, concerning all the new eps, lol)

[RealIrOnMaN]

I'm watching Alone Against A.I.M right now for the 2nd time and I've noticed something interesting, which left me wondering: did Yost or Fine had any plans for Tony's RT paladium problem (like in IM2 film), cause it does look that way:

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/610/20120607194500.png

But the situation changes rapidly (the lines are disappearing and appearing from Tony's chest almost in every shot of the episode). Perhaps, because of Loeb and co. coming onboard, Yost and others couldn't expand on their ideas and the separate Iron Man arc (if they even had one, of course) and that's why it was left unresolved.

[MarvelKnight]

Just finished watching the newest 3..
In regards to Powerless:
I figured Marvel would be in MoA's ear about making it MCUish even though they are getting rid of EMH but really...Loki controlling Destroyer..Thor learning 'Humility' to get his powers back.. I wasn't expecting Branagh's thor being turned into an animated episode so soon. it was just OK, easily the worst episode of the season, imho.

Assault on 42:
Awesome. Epic. Great. Written by Yost/Fine..go figure.

Ultron Unlimited:
Not as good as the Ultron Imperative. But it was really good. Vision looked great, I liked the way they showed his dissension from Ultron.

[RealIrOnMaN]

"Yellowjacket" is simply one of the best episodes in the season. It has everything that makes EMH so damn cool and outstanding. Mystery, psychological angle on some things and more. Just perfect! Especially after 3 previous so-so eps.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Oh, totally forgot to mention the only thing that bugged me was that cloudy background they used. It looked goofy and crappy, like they didn't had enough resources to do a decent animation of it, so they had to take some real picture from the net and stretch it out. Other than that, an excellent episode!

[crounsa810]

How many more episodes are left after Yellowjacket? They better finish up the Ragnarok story before this goes off the air. To end with a cliffhanger like that would piss me off.

[spider_man_2]

Yellowjacket was truly a phenomenal episode! One of the best of season two and the whole show overall, and after watching Assault on 42, Ultron Unlimited and now this one, I'm glad Man of Action's influence isn't as prevalent as I dreaded it would be. Powerless, however, is another matter entirely... A stinker from start to finish. Easily the worst episode of the show's run (thus far).

[RealIrOnMaN]

How many more episodes are left after Yellowjacket? They better finish up the Ragnarok story before this goes off the air. To end with a cliffhanger like that would piss me off.8 in total.

[MarvelKnight]

How many more episodes are left after Yellowjacket? They better finish up the Ragnarok story before this goes off the air. To end with a cliffhanger like that would piss me off.

8 episodes left after Yellowjacket.

[MarvelKnight]

Yellowjacket was truly a phenomenal episode! One of the best of season two and the whole show overall, and after watching Assault on 42, Ultron Unlimited and now this one, I'm glad Man of Action's influence isn't as prevalent as I dreaded it would be. Powerless, however, is another matter entirely... A stinker from start to finish. Easily the worst episode of the show's run (thus far).

Indeed it is.

[BigThor]

Some small notable parts of the season so far which I loved:

Mostly, lots of key Marvel characters appearing (like the FF, Spidey, War Machine and Ms. Marvel) even some cameos in Fury's bulletin board of epic Skrull deduction (I fangirled when I saw Scarlet Witch!)

Cap's apparent shipworthy chemistry with Viper in Prisoner of War

Tony's apparent chemistry with almost every female character

Carol's apparent chemistry with Mar-Vell (cue Katy Perry's E.T.)

CASSIE LANG! :D

The drama in To Steal an Ant-Man and Michael Korvac, not to mention a certain jaw-droppingly awesome talking raccoon.

Daisy Johnson (Quake's) appearance and the group's hilarious hazing of Ms. Marvel

Ms. Marvel's epic '**** you' attitude especially when she takes out the Skrull queen. 'Write that!'

FALCON AND WINTER SOLDIER

Quartermain asking Spidey 'What's wrong with your voice?' I was like, 'It's not Josh Keaton, that's what's wrong!!'

Veranke calling Nick and Tony by their full names

The funny music at the end of 'Behold, the Vision' when Black Panther armlocks Clint :)

Maria Hill's true and hilarious quote: 'I've had the same car since I was nineteen years old and never had a problem, but this thing (the helicarrier) crashes every Thursday!' Lol.

Love how Fury has his own 'Angels---Mockingbird, Hill and Black Widow (plus Quake)

Wasp: 'I'm just happy we have another girl on the team.'
Tony and Clint: 'Hear hear!'

Hawkeye giving Bruce that weird look in the elevator (made even funnier by Bruce's ridiculous fishing outfit)

Anyone else think of anything they love besides everything?

I guess I'll be always saddened by the fact that we never got any action figures from Hasbro. This is the closest thing we'll ever get to EMH figures:

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I really wanted to have a Tony Stark in a Tron-like suit on my shelf *sigh*

What? No Thor love?

GODDAMMIT!!! *throws chair out of the window* :cmad:

[spider_man_2]

What? No Thor love?

GODDAMMIT!!! *throws chair out of the window* :cmad:

He broke the Thor mug on the floor when he liked his drink and wanted another.

[BigThor]

He broke the Thor mug on the floor when he liked his drink and wanted another.

Lol oh ok, well that just clears everything right up. :woot:

[Cyclonus]

Yeah, the YellowJacket episode was good. Man, these episodes just keep rolling out. The way its been going this week, I'm expecting probably a couple of more to come out today, I' havent seen any past the YellowJacket episode yet.

[EvilClareToo]

Got home from work and binged on new episodes up to Yellowjacket.

Relieved to see that the "Loebisodes" were not bad at all...Liked Assault on 42 and Yellowjacket especially, though I'm missing the Hulk a bit (which I never thought I would ever say!) Is it me, or is the tone getting a bit darker in the last few episodes?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Tweet: I'm super bummed about EMH getting cancelled. It was quickly approaching JL/JLU levels of quality. Disagree with Mr. Loeb greatly.Agent_M
"I love EMH as well. Wish it reached all the audiences it should have."Wow... seriously?!! Speculate!

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Powerless-- written by MOA and Dani Wolf...
the weakest so far of the Loebisodes... the Destroyer being the only redeeming thing about the episode...

Assault on 42-- story by Chris Yost, Josh Fine, Mike Ryan and written by Brian Reed...
really strong episode with an Aliens feel to it... very exciting episode utilizing the Avengers and the prison inmates working together... satisfying...

Ultron Unlimited-- written by Chris Yost...
a welcome return of the Vision... an enjoyable Avengers vs the RoboAvengers battle as well as with Ultron, though he was dealt with too quickly and in too final a fashion...

Yellowjacket-- written by MOA and Jim Felder...
a remarkably good episode that excels in every way dealing with the mystery of YJ and Hank's dissatisfaction with the Avengers as well as the micro-prison breakdown...
an unbelievably GOOD ep which surprised me and caught me off guard, especially since it was an MOA effort...
and I ALWAYS liked YJ and preferred him to Ant-Man or Giant-Man...
ties with Assault on 42 for the strongest of these four episodes so far, IMHO...

[MarvelKnight]

Powerless-- written by MOA and Dani Wolf...
the weakest so far of the Loebisodes... the Destroyer being the only redeeming thing about the episode...

Assault on 42-- story by Chris Yost, Josh Fine, Mike Ryan and written by Brian Reed...
really strong episode with an Aliens feel to it... very exciting episode utilizing the Avengers and the prison inmates working together... satisfying...

Ultron Unlimited-- written by Chris Yost...
a welcome return of the Vision... an enjoyable Avengers vs the RoboAvengers battle as well as with Ultron, though he was dealt with too quickly and in too final a fashion...

Yellowjacket-- written by MOA and Jim Felder...
a remarkably good episode that excels in every way dealing with the mystery of YJ and Hank's dissatisfaction with the Avengers as well as the micro-prison breakdown...
an unbelievably GOOD ep which surprised me and caught me off guard, especially since it was an MOA effort...
and I ALWAYS liked YJ and preferred him to Ant-Man or Giant-Man...
ties with Assault on 42 for the strongest of these four episodes so far, IMHO...

TS- I am encouraged that you endorse this as a good episode because I know we both have our reservations about Loebisodes(andMoA) and Powerless wasn't helping that point either haha.

The source I use to watch EMH online finally has Yellowjacket on there and I will be watching it in minutes

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

TS- I am encouraged that you endorse this as a good episode because I know we both have our reservations about Loebisodes(andMoA) and Powerless wasn't helping that point either haha.

The source I use to watch EMH online finally has Yellowjacket on there and I will be watching it in minutes


yeah, NOT a big fan of Loeb OR MoA, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on the Yellowjacket episode...

maybe the influence of Loeb, or especially MoA, just wasn't able to really dig their fingers in too deeply in the final few episodes that are left to air...

the basic groundwork for the remaining episodes were probably already laid out and too far ahead along the production track for them to do any REAL interference and damage... more than likely they came on board at a point where they just had to deal with what was already there and waiting... hence the relatively still good feel to the show...

hopefully, the remainder of Avengers EMH will remain stable and on a good course to the end...

[TheVileOne]

Tweet: I'm super bummed about EMH getting cancelled. It was quickly approaching JL/JLU levels of quality. Disagree with Mr. Loeb greatly.Wow... seriously?!! Speculate!
The show didn't get good ratings RIM. It's not a big secret. It was moved to Sundays due to low ratings at one point.

This is one thing the whiny fanboys refuse to acknowledge, the show wasn't getting the numbers.

[BigThor]

The show didn't get good ratings RIM. It's not a big secret. It was moved to Sundays due to low ratings at one point.

This is one thing the whiny fanboys refuse to acknowledge, the show wasn't getting the numbers.

It was also on a channel that alot of people don't have, I'm sure it's ratings would've been off the charts if it were on Cartoon Network.

[IronGirl299]

It was also on a channel that alot of people don't have, I'm sure it's ratings would've been off the charts if it were on Cartoon Network.

It airs on Cartoon Network in my country and I only go that channel for that particular show. So that's pretty much right.

[Zant]

Wolverine and the x men and Iron man AA did well on Nicktoons.I think some new Marvel shows should go Cartoon Network and even Nick,they seem to know how to handle superhero shows better

[RealIrOnMaN]

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Well, only noticed it today. It looks like Emperor Stark episode takes place before Yellowjacket.

[SlackBrian]

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Well, only noticed it today. It looks like Emperor Stark episode takes place before Yellowjacket.
It may be, but it's also possible Vision is just an animation gaff. The show has had a few of them. Like when Captain America had his intact shield at the end of the season one finale when Loki was being punished by Odin, even though the shield had been shattered earlier:

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[venomfangs125]

Er, no offense but, an animation gaff that happens twice? I saw Vision talking to Johnny Storm in another scene.

The fact that he's kicking is...Wierd to say the least.


Speaking of Emperor Stark, has that been done in the comics? Any idea why Vision would wake up to a world where Tony is 'emperor?' We talking Cosmic Cube scenario or something?

[SlackBrian]

Yes, it's easily a gaff if the animators were told to just throw superheroes in the background of the memorial service, without bothering to check the status of the heroes on the show. They may have just used the animation model for Vision without thinking.

Now, I'm not saying it's definitely a mistake, but like I said, it's happened before. But, it could just as easily be a plot point.

[Dread]

I know I am far behind the curve in terms of reviewing episodes. But look at it like this; I am still ahead of the Disney XD schedule.

"POWERLESS" features a soulless monster who lives only to destroy everything before it. Can you tell this is the first episode written by MAN OF ACTION under the order of new TV czar Jeph Loeb? A cheap shot, yes, but this episode has it coming. It is the first, but not the last, episode helmed by "MAN OF ACTION", who I usually dub MAN OF AVERAGE, with increased influence by Loeb under the pressure of meeting scheduling deadlines - as Yost and Fine tell it. While I am fairly certain that is true, neither Yost or Fine could likely say outright, "Well, Loeb is the new boss and he wanted to throw his weight around a bit", and for all I know Loeb is a perfectly lovely man to work with and for. However, "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN" is an underwhelming insult to the intelligence of viewers and if this episode is a sign of what later episodes of this show may devolve to, it will be vastly disappointing. It is said that in politics, Republicans are a voice forever standing in the way of progress screaming, "STOP"; in the realm of Marvel animation, that voice may be Loeb. This week it was announced that "A:EMH" was canceled and will be replaced by something that is hardly likely to match this in quality. It is easy to despair sometimes.

While I can say with relief that this was the worst of the four episodes I saw this week and the others all vastly rebound, this is very much an episode which wants to believe it is still 1982 instead of 2012. It has the trappings of the seasonal subplot but it handles it all poorly and regresses many characterizations, and is poorly written to boot. It seems very much like an episode written to meet a deadline, in other words. That is why I am willing to take Yost and Fine at their word at that. Say this about Loeb productions, they always get turned in at the bell. Still, even underwhelming that it is, "POWERLESS" still has a few decent nods to comic fans and is far better than "USM" offers.

It begins innocently enough by reminding us that Loki was banished to some nasty realm by Odin at the end of last season, that Amora the Enchantress is still working under Surtur's influence, and that the Avengers are about to interrupt a standard bank truck robbery by the Wrecking Crew. Right off the bat I thought it was odd that there were only 75% of the Crew present; Piledriver was gone. Why? He'd always been with them before, such as in the micro episodes and in "GAMMA WORLD". Was it because it would have made the rest of the episode more difficult? At any rate, any sign of Amora's distress and inner turmoil about being Surtur's puppet from "THE BALLAD OF BETA RAY BILL" is gone and she's reverted to standard "I want to kill Thor" type. While she refuses to free Loki from his prison, she offers to cast a spell to weaken Thor before transporting his soul into the Destroyer armor so he can kill Thor for her. Is this revenge for Thor not killing her when she begged him to in "BALLAD OF BETA RAY BILL" or am I being generous? Is Amora completely under Surtur's thrall even without the glowing eyes or am I again being generous? At any rate, as the title suggests this is a "everyone loses their powers" episode.

There are certain plots that many cartoon shows have worn into the ground over the past 20-40 years to the point that every time I see them, I groan. These include "The Amnesia Episode", "The Mind Swap Episode", "The Shrinking Episode", "The Lose Your Powers Episode" and "The Fantastic Voyage Episode". By and large "A:EMH" avoided such mundane drivel, but right off the bat the first MAN OF AVERAGE episode uses one; never a good sign. With a blast of energy, Thor is tendered mortal (without Mjolnir), Steve Rogers is back to being a 98 lb. weakling, and Tony Stark is in his Mach 1 armor with zero science skill. Only Hawkeye is left uneffected, despite being near the zap zone. One major plot hole is how Amora describes her own spell to Loki. She claims it "removes physical power", which I suppose can explain Thor and Cap, but it's effect on Iron Man is baloney. I could see it maybe vanishing his armor away in the middle of a fight (which would be a major disadvantage), but the problem with taking away his science knowledge is that KNOWLEDGE IS NOT PHYSICAL POWER. If the beam effected Stark by taking away his science lore, then it SHOULD have effected Hawkeye and took away his archery skills. The second plot hole is that Amora claims that her spell could be broken "if Thor learns humility". Now, I can understand Amora being behind the times, but hasn't Thor already learned humility? A great chunk of Season 1 was about Thor learning to appreciate mortals more, especially after they rescued him from Loki and saved Asgard. Hell, to once again mention "BALLAD OF BETA RAY BILL", Thor was literally about to hand over Mjolnir to Bill so he could avenge his people and defeat Surtur because his quest was righteous; how much more humble can Thor be? Instead we have an entire episode of Thor whining about how frail it is to be mortal and sounding very much like he might have at the start of Season 1 (and I mean the micro-episodes) until he could learn his Very Important Lesson which is so obvious even the 6 year olds in the audience will roll their eyes and see it coming. Then this dismisses the sight of even 98 lb. weakling Rogers being capable of some amazing feats of physical stamina like being hit full on by Destroyer and still getting up to fight.

On top of that, Destroyer is described as Odin's unstoppable war armor, yet the four heroes do a perfectly good job of stopping it long enough for Thor to learn his moral of the week. Subway trains, sticks, and girders even stun it. I don't know if that was because Loki in general sucks as a fighter (he's more of a wizard than a warrior), or just bad writing. There are far better ways to write "unstoppable threat" episodes; Juggernaut usually gets those, and even Rhino got it in "SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN". In this episode Destroyer is more of a metallic bumbler, although again I don't know if that's simply because it was powered by Loki, who was acting very much like an 1980's villain here. In fact, the very idea of Thor having to learn humility by being willing to die as a mortal in battle against the Destroyer is so obviously cribbed from "THOR" that that film's screenwriters should get royalties from this episode. It's so lazy and second-hand.

There were some highlights. As usual, Hawkeye gets some of the best lines, and I liked the bit where he uses a spare bit of wood as an arrow; in the comics he was always making random objects into bows & arrows when he had to, way before "MACGUYVER" appeared. While Thor's whining was vastly out of character, I did like the nod to his Donald Blake persona with his walking stick bit, as well as to his old identity of Sigurd Jarlson with his overall design of his "mortal form".

This was a very average episode, at best. And while "average" is the peak of quality for "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN", for "AVENGERS: EMH" is a nosedive in quality. A forgettable and virtually pointless episode, very close to being a waste of time. Such a shame that this may be Loki's last appearance in the show and it is in such a wasted endeavor such as this. I am sure it technically exists to help build up the Surtur arc, but surely there were better methods to do it than this. While the subsequent episodes are all better than this - namely because Yost & the old writers do return for some of them - if this is a harbinger of more to come, then it is a shame indeed.

[Arthur Curry]

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Well, only noticed it today. It looks like Emperor Stark episode takes place before Yellowjacket.

You rule my man, you have kept this site AS current as humanly possible Aussie wise with these to-the-minute updates.

Thanks again for occupying my last 2 weeks with girthy AEMH marathons of which DISNEY S%$-D would NEVER provide with their god awful attempts at maniplating ratings with horrendous movie cross promotions. There's just not enough time on this Earth to wait for these dunderheads to meander through season 2, 22 minutes every 3 weeks...PUKE!! I'll be dead before they get through season 2.

That said, I assume you saw "Emperor Stark", so was that piggy backed by "Code Red"? Can you give us a lil plot synopsis of what you've seen? And when will these be available?

[TheVileOne]

It was also on a channel that alot of people don't have, I'm sure it's ratings would've been off the charts if it were on Cartoon Network.
If it were on CN, CN would be burying it in the schedule so no one could watch it ala Super Hero Squad.

It sort of sucks to hear but the ****** Disney tweencoms get much better ratings than this show on Disney XD.

[TheVileOne]

I know I am far behind the curve in terms of reviewing episodes. But look at it like this; I am still ahead of the Disney XD schedule.

"POWERLESS" features a soulless monster who lives only to destroy everything before it. Can you tell this is the first episode written by MAN OF ACTION under the order of new TV czar Jeph Loeb? A cheap shot, yes, but this episode has it coming. It is the first, but not the last, episode helmed by "MAN OF ACTION", who I usually dub MAN OF AVERAGE, with increased influence by Loeb under the pressure of meeting scheduling deadlines - as Yost and Fine tell it. While I am fairly certain that is true, neither Yost or Fine could likely say outright, "Well, Loeb is the new boss and he wanted to throw his weight around a bit", and for all I know Loeb is a perfectly lovely man to work with and for. However, "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN" is an underwhelming insult to the intelligence of viewers and if this episode is a sign of what later episodes of this show may devolve to, it will be vastly disappointing. It is said that in politics, Republicans are a voice forever standing in the way of progress screaming, "STOP"; in the realm of Marvel animation, that voice may be Loeb. This week it was announced that "A:EMH" was canceled and will be replaced by something that is hardly likely to match this in quality. It is easy to despair sometimes.

While I can say with relief that this was the worst of the four episodes I saw this week and the others all vastly rebound, this is very much an episode which wants to believe it is still 1982 instead of 2012. It has the trappings of the seasonal subplot but it handles it all poorly and regresses many characterizations, and is poorly written to boot. It seems very much like an episode written to meet a deadline, in other words. That is why I am willing to take Yost and Fine at their word at that. Say this about Loeb productions, they always get turned in at the bell. Still, even underwhelming that it is, "POWERLESS" still has a few decent nods to comic fans and is far better than "USM" offers.

It begins innocently enough by reminding us that Loki was banished to some nasty realm by Odin at the end of last season, that Amora the Enchantress is still working under Surtur's influence, and that the Avengers are about to interrupt a standard bank truck robbery by the Wrecking Crew. Right off the bat I thought it was odd that there were only 75% of the Crew present; Piledriver was gone. Why? He'd always been with them before, such as in the micro episodes and in "GAMMA WORLD". Was it because it would have made the rest of the episode more difficult? At any rate, any sign of Amora's distress and inner turmoil about being Surtur's puppet from "THE BALLAD OF BETA RAY BILL" is gone and she's reverted to standard "I want to kill Thor" type. While she refuses to free Loki from his prison, she offers to cast a spell to weaken Thor before transporting his soul into the Destroyer armor so he can kill Thor for her. Is this revenge for Thor not killing her when she begged him to in "BALLAD OF BETA RAY BILL" or am I being generous? Is Amora completely under Surtur's thrall even without the glowing eyes or am I again being generous? At any rate, as the title suggests this is a "everyone loses their powers" episode.

There are certain plots that many cartoon shows have worn into the ground over the past 20-40 years to the point that every time I see them, I groan. These include "The Amnesia Episode", "The Mind Swap Episode", "The Shrinking Episode", "The Lose Your Powers Episode" and "The Fantastic Voyage Episode". By and large "A:EMH" avoided such mundane drivel, but right off the bat the first MAN OF AVERAGE episode uses one; never a good sign. With a blast of energy, Thor is tendered mortal (without Mjolnir), Steve Rogers is back to being a 98 lb. weakling, and Tony Stark is in his Mach 1 armor with zero science skill. Only Hawkeye is left uneffected, despite being near the zap zone. One major plot hole is how Amora describes her own spell to Loki. She claims it "removes physical power", which I suppose can explain Thor and Cap, but it's effect on Iron Man is baloney. I could see it maybe vanishing his armor away in the middle of a fight (which would be a major disadvantage), but the problem with taking away his science knowledge is that KNOWLEDGE IS NOT PHYSICAL POWER. If the beam effected Stark by taking away his science lore, then it SHOULD have effected Hawkeye and took away his archery skills. The second plot hole is that Amora claims that her spell could be broken "if Thor learns humility". Now, I can understand Amora being behind the times, but hasn't Thor already learned humility? A great chunk of Season 1 was about Thor learning to appreciate mortals more, especially after they rescued him from Loki and saved Asgard. Hell, to once again mention "BALLAD OF BETA RAY BILL", Thor was literally about to hand over Mjolnir to Bill so he could avenge his people and defeat Surtur because his quest was righteous; how much more humble can Thor be? Instead we have an entire episode of Thor whining about how frail it is to be mortal and sounding very much like he might have at the start of Season 1 (and I mean the micro-episodes) until he could learn his Very Important Lesson which is so obvious even the 6 year olds in the audience will roll their eyes and see it coming. Then this dismisses the sight of even 98 lb. weakling Rogers being capable of some amazing feats of physical stamina like being hit full on by Destroyer and still getting up to fight.

On top of that, Destroyer is described as Odin's unstoppable war armor, yet the four heroes do a perfectly good job of stopping it long enough for Thor to learn his moral of the week. Subway trains, sticks, and girders even stun it. I don't know if that was because Loki in general sucks as a fighter (he's more of a wizard than a warrior), or just bad writing. There are far better ways to write "unstoppable threat" episodes; Juggernaut usually gets those, and even Rhino got it in "SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN". In this episode Destroyer is more of a metallic bumbler, although again I don't know if that's simply because it was powered by Loki, who was acting very much like an 1980's villain here. In fact, the very idea of Thor having to learn humility by being willing to die as a mortal in battle against the Destroyer is so obviously cribbed from "THOR" that that film's screenwriters should get royalties from this episode. It's so lazy and second-hand.

There were some highlights. As usual, Hawkeye gets some of the best lines, and I liked the bit where he uses a spare bit of wood as an arrow; in the comics he was always making random objects into bows & arrows when he had to, way before "MACGUYVER" appeared. While Thor's whining was vastly out of character, I did like the nod to his Donald Blake persona with his walking stick bit, as well as to his old identity of Sigurd Jarlson with his overall design of his "mortal form".

This was a very average episode, at best. And while "average" is the peak of quality for "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN", for "AVENGERS: EMH" is a nosedive in quality. A forgettable and virtually pointless episode, very close to being a waste of time. Such a shame that this may be Loki's last appearance in the show and it is in such a wasted endeavor such as this. I am sure it technically exists to help build up the Surtur arc, but surely there were better methods to do it than this. While the subsequent episodes are all better than this - namely because Yost & the old writers do return for some of them - if this is a harbinger of more to come, then it is a shame indeed.
JLU had an episode where they all get turned into kids. This episode was considerably better. Comics have done this before as well, de-powering characters.

[Dread]

JLU had an episode where they all get turned into kids. This episode was considerably better. Comics have done this before as well, de-powering characters.

"KID STUFF" was considerably better than "POWERLESS" to me if only because that was genuinely funny far more often, and even furthered the subplot of Batman and Wonder Woman's romantic tension in an adorable way. It's only flaw was the random appearance of Entrigan the Demon.

Moving on...

Coming off "POWERLESS", I needed a rebound and fortunately, "ASSAULT ON 42" is it. I was pleased to see Brian Reed and Chris Yost involved in the writing again; it seems Loeb & MAN OF ACTION didn't write EVERY episode of Season 2 after "BEHOLD...THE VISION", but at least from this week's ratio roughly half of them. That's actually better than I expected. "ASSAULT ON 42" sees a return to the infamous prison for super-villains as well as introducing and handling yet another Fantastic Four villain better than an actual Fantastic Four show did. This episode also sees a return of suspense, with some nods owed to "ALIEN" and all that.

The episode begins with Cap, Thor, Ms. Marvel, and Wasp escorting Whirlwind to what they hope is a longer stint in 42 than his last; the fact that the prison exists in the Negative Zone where there seems to be nothingness is cemented, only this time something ominous is in the air. Of all the villains in 42, it is the Leader (a returning Jeffrey Combs) who senses the incoming terror the most. While the heroes aren't quick to believe this and some consider it some sort of ploy, it becomes very real when the prison is attacked by nasty looking bugs. They're capable of rending metal and tearing through SHIELD guards. Before long the heroes are trapped on 42 and their task is to hold the line and prevent the bugs from making it back to their world when the next shift of guards returns in two hours - no matter the cost. We get to see many old villains from the previous two seasons and much like in "PRISONERS OF WAR", the heroes have to trust their backs to at least some of their enemies if they hope to live. Once again, Capt. America gives a stirring speech which recruits some added help. There is a nod to "WELCOME TO THE KREE EMPIRE" with Ms. Marvel willing to allow Mar-Vell to aid in the crisis, although Cap's refusal to accept aid from Zemo is naturally a sign of his difference from "Skrull-Cap", who both was willing to accept Zemo's aid and then betray him. While most of the villains refuse, the Avengers get aid from Radioactive Man, Absorbing Man, Abomination, Whirlwind, Skurge the Executioner, a few spare AIM grunts, Leader, and Blizzard. Blizzard in particular continued to remind me of DC's Capt. Cold in his design, and Whirlwind's line about slicing Wasp up when it was over came off more disturbing than quite a few of the bugs themselves. I liked how via good cutaways and storyboards - as well as some horrific screams from the ADR department - it was heavily implied that not all the SHIELD or AIM grunts survived their encounters with the bugs without offending a censorship board. We also got neat little character bits with some of the villains such as Thor and Skurge finding some common ground as Asgardians, and Absorbing Man's loyalty (to a degree) to the Leader. Cap offered any villains who aided them positive word with a parole board, and since both Radioactive Man and Blizzard were Thunderbolts in the comics, could that team emerge this season?

The villain of the piece was Annihilus, a villain Yost utilized in "FANTASTIC FOUR: WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES" to decent effect initially until later focusing on comedy. This episode plays him dead straight as the warlord of a bug empire and using Leader to "communicate" his intentions rather than give Annihilus some squeaky voice was a good move - and another nod to horror films. Naturally, exposition about Annihilus feeling the invasion of positive matter in the Negative Zone and wanting to spite it is ripped from ANNIHILATION, but it's all good stuff. A part of me did wonder where the Guardians Of The Galaxy were, but it was already a busy episode. Fighting endless waves of bugs can get repetitive so the episode's crew wisely played up the suspense of the situation, of being trapped in a void with a skeleton crew of allies and enemies attempting to not only survive, but hold back an invasion. As always with most of these characters, the character model for Annihilus played up his classic design while still making it kick ass. Dr. Doom, the Skrulls, and now Annihilus, all handled better than I've ever seen an FF show handle them.

Last season, I thought casting Jeffrey Combs as the Leader was brilliant, and that "GAMMA WORLD" was the best version of Hulk's arch nemesis ever put to animation, or perhaps even the screen in general. Therefore, I was incredibly pleased to see the Leader return and actually play a crucial role in the episode. While the episode did demand that Leader wail in agony a lot, he was more or less the MVP of the mission.

If the episode has any flaw, it is that the ending seemed a little abrupt. Yes, the heroes successfully drove off the horde and prevented them from invading earth, and welcomed the new shift. But obviously, a lot of work would have to be done to either fortify the prison or move it entirely out of the Negative Zone. What was to stop Annihilus from returning with an even larger horde the next time, and who knows when THAT would be? I suppose there's only so much one episode can do and winning the battle was still crucial, I just found the ending a tad more abrupt than I expected.

Overall, great to see some returning villains, as well as some effective use of suspense and horror techniques to execute what could have been a generic episode if left in poorer hands. In interviews Yost and/or Craig Kyle desired to do a Brood story with the X-Men or anyone and I like to think this episode was perhaps as close as Yost could get with that in "A:EMH". A very great rebound from "POWERLESS", which the show drastically needed to restore faith.

[Dread]

Next up from the land down under is "ULTRON UNLIMITED", which was probably the crowning jewel of the four episodes I saw this week. It is an episode that Chris Yost seemed to write personally, which is often a sign of passion and quality to come. The villain of the piece is obvious in the title and it is very much a sequel to "BEHOLD...THE VISION" and even in a grander sense, "THE ULTRON IMPERATIVE" last season. While it isn't nearly as good as "UI" was - likely because it only had two episodes of build up as opposed to 3 plus - it still provided a very exciting and at times spooky confrontation with one of the Avengers nearest and dearest foes.

At the end of "BEHOLD...THE VISION" we learned that Ultron was not only reborn, but had sired a "son" to run errands for him - which included stealing supplies to build a better body for himself. While Vision failed to claim Vibranium, he did deliver all the Adamantium from Weapon X that Ultron needed. Peter Jessop reprises his role as Vision and Tom Kane especially returns as Ultron, and as always Kane is KILLER as the menacing mechanoid. This time Ultron's plan is to capture all of the Avengers and replace them with his "visions of the future", which are emotionless robot duplicates who operate on all logic and zero emotion. To this end Ultron has to capture the Avengers one by one and implant an "uplink" device to the base of the Avengers' skulls to keep them under and I presume download enough of their "data" into their robot doubles. Much like "ASSAULT ON 42" and even "GAMMA WORLD", the episode uses cut-away horror techniques to never quite show exactly where the implants go, implying they're somewhere terrible and painful. The only exception to Ultron's scheme is as usual, the Wasp, who he plans to download into his robotic bride, Jocasta. A part of me does find it ironic that Hank Pym often seems to avoid Janet of late, yet his robotic creation can't seem to get enough of her. Ultron himself sports a new design to go with his Adamantium body, which also bares some inspiration from Ultron's design in ANNIHILATION CONQUEST, and is bad-ass.

I was surprised to see this episode show such a nasty looking burn on Wasp's shoulder and the crux of this episode is Vision's ultimate rebellion against Ultron. In "BEHOLD...THE VISION", Vision was both confused and fascinated - if not frustrated - by the human willingness to continue to fight despite logically impossible odds. While Vision seemed far less powerful in this episode - either he was holding back or some of the damage he suffered via Black Panther's tactics couldn't be totally repaired - he once again got a refresher course in human determination from the determinator himself, Captain America. Speaking of Cap, I called immediately that he was impersonating his duplicate, and I was glad Ultron wasn't fooled either. I was surprised Thor or the others didn't immediately fear their doubles were the result of more Skrulls, although Hawkeye at least makes a reference to that. It was especially strange to see an Ultron battle without Pym (or the Hulk), and I did like the nod to the previous season where Ultron determined that Thor was his greatest physical threat, and later on Thor would prove him right. The little scene between Cap and Hawkeye at the start was good, and while Wasp continues to get beat up a lot in this show, I did like how she was the one to cut through Ultron's bull of attempting to be apart from humanity, yet desperate to replicate at least part of the experience via "building himself a girlfriend" or even a son.

I did find Vision's "solution" to helping defeat Ultron a little crude, which is probably why I don't consider this as good as Ultron's first appearance. In this case it was a sequel which wasn't quite as good as the original. That said, it was still a very good episode spotlighting another memorable confrontation with one of the franchise's best villains with some great character designs and acting from the VA booth. Corey Burton gets a lot of well deserved praise as Brainiac in DC Animation, and I feel Tom Kane deserves similar credit for his role as Ultron here, which he did reprise since being originally cast in the role in the DTV "NEXT AVENGERS" years back. Kane's Ultron was arguably the best thing about that flick, and it is great that this series gave him better heroes to battle against. I did find the ending scene with Vision touching, although some fans may be miffed that it didn't include the "even an android can cry" moment from the comics. Personally I think it might have been a little over the top in this particular episode, so I didn't miss it and thought the scene was still effective. Overall, considering Vision's last TV appearance was in the dreadful "AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND" from 1999-2000, this show has done a great deal to redeem him as well. In it Vision's been both a mysterious bad-ass as well as the robot who wants to be a man that Avengers fans know and love. Even if Wasp was still right on to complain about his choice of colors.

Great episode; not the best the show has ever done with Ultron, but still a damn good time and an effective use of the title villain. I got a great kick out of it and this was easily my favorite episode since "SECRET INVASION".

[Arthur Curry]

"KID STUFF" was considerably better than "POWERLESS" to me if only because that was genuinely funny far more often, and even furthered the subplot of Batman and Wonder Woman's romantic tension in an adorable way. It's only flaw was the random appearance of Entrigan the Demon.

Moving on...

Coming off "POWERLESS", I needed a rebound and fortunately, "ASSAULT ON 42" is it. I was pleased to see Brian Reed and Chris Yost involved in the writing again; it seems Loeb & MAN OF ACTION didn't write EVERY episode of Season 2 after "BEHOLD...THE VISION", but at least from this week's ratio roughly half of them. That's actually better than I expected. "ASSAULT ON 42" sees a return to the infamous prison for super-villains as well as introducing and handling yet another Fantastic Four villain better than an actual Fantastic Four show did. This episode also sees a return of suspense, with some nods owed to "ALIEN" and all that.

The episode begins with Cap, Thor, Ms. Marvel, and Wasp escorting Whirlwind to what they hope is a longer stint in 42 than his last; the fact that the prison exists in the Negative Zone where there seems to be nothingness is cemented, only this time something ominous is in the air. Of all the villains in 42, it is the Leader (a returning Jeffrey Combs) who senses the incoming terror the most. While the heroes aren't quick to believe this and some consider it some sort of ploy, it becomes very real when the prison is attacked by nasty looking bugs. They're capable of rending metal and tearing through SHIELD guards. Before long the heroes are trapped on 42 and their task is to hold the line and prevent the bugs from making it back to their world when the next shift of guards returns in two hours - no matter the cost. We get to see many old villains from the previous two seasons and much like in "PRISONERS OF WAR", the heroes have to trust their backs to at least some of their enemies if they hope to live. Once again, Capt. America gives a stirring speech which recruits some added help. There is a nod to "WELCOME TO THE KREE EMPIRE" with Ms. Marvel willing to allow Mar-Vell to aid in the crisis, although Cap's refusal to accept aid from Zemo is naturally a sign of his difference from "Skrull-Cap", who both was willing to accept Zemo's aid and then betray him. While most of the villains refuse, the Avengers get aid from Radioactive Man, Absorbing Man, Abomination, Whirlwind, Skurge the Executioner, a few spare AIM grunts, Leader, and Blizzard. Blizzard in particular continued to remind me of DC's Capt. Cold in his design, and Whirlwind's line about slicing Wasp up when it was over came off more disturbing than quite a few of the bugs themselves. I liked how via good cutaways and storyboards - as well as some horrific screams from the ADR department - it was heavily implied that not all the SHIELD or AIM grunts survived their encounters with the bugs without offending a censorship board. We also got neat little character bits with some of the villains such as Thor and Skurge finding some common ground as Asgardians, and Absorbing Man's loyalty (to a degree) to the Leader. Cap offered any villains who aided them positive word with a parole board, and since both Radioactive Man and Blizzard were Thunderbolts in the comics, could that team emerge this season?

The villain of the piece was Annihilus, a villain Yost utilized in "FANTASTIC FOUR: WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES" to decent effect initially until later focusing on comedy. This episode plays him dead straight as the warlord of a bug empire and using Leader to "communicate" his intentions rather than give Annihilus some squeaky voice was a good move - and another nod to horror films. Naturally, exposition about Annihilus feeling the invasion of positive matter in the Negative Zone and wanting to spite it is ripped from ANNIHILATION, but it's all good stuff. A part of me did wonder where the Guardians Of The Galaxy were, but it was already a busy episode. Fighting endless waves of bugs can get repetitive so the episode's crew wisely played up the suspense of the situation, of being trapped in a void with a skeleton crew of allies and enemies attempting to not only survive, but hold back an invasion. As always with most of these characters, the character model for Annihilus played up his classic design while still making it kick ass. Dr. Doom, the Skrulls, and now Annihilus, all handled better than I've ever seen an FF show handle them.

Last season, I thought casting Jeffrey Combs as the Leader was brilliant, and that "GAMMA WORLD" was the best version of Hulk's arch nemesis ever put to animation, or perhaps even the screen in general. Therefore, I was incredibly pleased to see the Leader return and actually play a crucial role in the episode. While the episode did demand that Leader wail in agony a lot, he was more or less the MVP of the mission.

If the episode has any flaw, it is that the ending seemed a little abrupt. Yes, the heroes successfully drove off the horde and prevented them from invading earth, and welcomed the new shift. But obviously, a lot of work would have to be done to either fortify the prison or move it entirely out of the Negative Zone. What was to stop Annihilus from returning with an even larger horde the next time, and who knows when THAT would be? I suppose there's only so much one episode can do and winning the battle was still crucial, I just found the ending a tad more abrupt than I expected.

Overall, great to see some returning villains, as well as some effective use of suspense and horror techniques to execute what could have been a generic episode if left in poorer hands. In interviews Yost and/or Craig Kyle desired to do a Brood story with the X-Men or anyone and I like to think this episode was perhaps as close as Yost could get with that in "A:EMH". A very great rebound from "POWERLESS", which the show drastically needed to restore faith.

Dread you're right on point as usual but this "Powerless" goes back waayy before JLU and "Kids Stuff". I think SUPERFRIENDS did it like at least 3x to my knowledge.

-There was an episode with Dr. Frankenstein that drained Batman,Superman, Wonder Woman's powers onto his new creation and ROBIN (Hawkeye) was the only one at full strength to pull the team through as he eventually absorbed their remaining powers to fight the SF monster

-Another ep where Aquaman, Superman, and Wonder Woman got turned into the Scarecrow, Tin-man, and Lion from THE WIZARD OF OZ by Mxyp and stripped them of most of their powers.

-Another one was CHALLENGE OF THE SFs called "World's Deadliest Game" where Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Batman and Robin lost their powers and gadgets and the LOD hunted them for sport.

-As well as another where the SF's got turned into kids which I think was a 7 minute short in those weird early 80s seasons.

-Also X-MEN 90's second season finale "Reunion" had the team in the Savage Land lose all their powers for a while an have to fight without them against The Nasty Boys.

-Also the mid 90s FANTASTIC FOUR brilliant 2nd season (the best FF ever by far) had an episode with Daredevil (Hawkeye) called "A Blind Man Shall Lead Them" where the FF lost all their powers and had to tackle Dr. Doom. Daredevil DIDN'T lose his power(s) and abilities and had to hold their hands.

etc etc. But I was done with that cliche' by SUPERFRIENDS. FANTASTIC FOUR toons are OBSESSED with that plot device and completely beat it death. So like you, seeing this tired cliche' in a 2012 toon just made my brain flatline. ESPECIALLY after you just had Cap in a friggin Skrull prison for 9 eps and Thor was dry humping Asgard/Midguard. The LAST thing I wanted to see Cap and Thor not at full strength at that point where they're fighting a very cool nemesis in THE WRECKING CREW, Cap's first interaction with them.

And although I despise it, didn't that hideous FF WGH from a few years ago have a few eps where they lost their powers as well?


P.S. "Dread, did I miss your "Along Came a Spidey" review? I feel like you may not have posted that along with the "Behold the Vision" debut???

[Dread]

Dread you're right on point as usual but this "Powerless" goes back waayy before JLU and "Kids Stuff". I think SUPERFRIENDS did it like at least 3x to my knowledge.

-There was an episode with Dr. Frankenstein that drained Batman,Superman, Wonder Woman's powers onto his new creation and ROBIN (Hawkeye) was the only one at full strength to pull the team through as he eventually absorbed their remaining powers to fight the SF monster

-Another ep where Aquaman, Superman, and Wonder Woman got turned into the Scarecrow, Tin-man, and Lion from THE WIZARD OF OZ by Mxyp and stripped them of most of their powers.

-Another one was CHALLENGE OF THE SFs called "World's Deadliest Game" where Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Batman and Robin lost their powers and gadgets and the LOD hunted them for sport.

-As well as another where the SF's got turned into kids which I think was a 7 minute short in those weird early 80s seasons.

-Also X-MEN 90's second season finale "Reunion" had the team in the Savage Land lose all their powers for a while an have to fight without them against The Nasty Boys.

-Also the mid 90s FANTASTIC FOUR brilliant 2nd season (the best FF ever by far) had an episode with Daredevil (Hawkeye) called "A Blind Man Shall Lead Them" where the FF lost all their powers and had to tackle Dr. Doom. Daredevil DIDN'T lose his power(s) and abilities and had to hold their hands.

etc etc. But I was done with that cliche' by SUPERFRIENDS. FANTASTIC FOUR toons are OBSESSED with that plot device and completely beat it death. So like you, seeing this tired cliche' in a 2012 toon just made my brain flatline. ESPECIALLY after you just had Cap in a friggin Skrull prison for 9 eps and Thor was dry humping Asgard/Midguard. The LAST thing I wanted to see Cap and Thor not at full strength at that point where they're fighting a very cool nemesis in THE WRECKING CREW, Cap's first interaction with them.

And although I despise it, didn't that hideous FF WGH from a few years ago have a few eps where they lost their powers as well?


P.S. "Dread, did I miss your "Along Came a Spidey" review? I feel like you may not have posted that along with the "Behold the Vision" debut???

My "ALONG CAME A SPIDER" review is here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=23440685&postcount=999

Keep in mind that when I mentioned certain episode themes, I didn't JUST mean superhero episodes. Plenty of other shows had "the amnesia episode", "the shrinking episode", "the powerless episode", etc. Off the top of my head, "HE-MAN AND THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE" had "HE-MAN'S QUEST" as the amnesia episode, written by Paul Dini no less - and it was dreadful. Seriously, He-Man fights a purple rabbit named Plunder.

"FANTASTIC FOUR: WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES" didn't have a "everyone loses their powers" episode, but they DID have a mind-swap episode ("DOOMED"), the shrinking episode ("WORLD'S TINIEST HEROES"), the amnesia episode ("THE CURE"), and the power-swap episode ("BAIT AND SWITCH"). Now, that isn't to say one can't make a good episode out of these endlessly repeated plots. "THE CURE" for instance was written by Dan Slott and was easily the best episode of the show. "JLU" did "THE GREAT BRAIN ROBBERY" swapping Flash's mind with Lex Luthor and it was also handled well. Usually, though, they wind up bland.

[Dread]

Episode 44, "YELLOWJACKET", is a return of writing duties by MAN OF ACTION after a refreshing two episode detour back into quality. In fairness, though, this is a much better episode than "POWERLESS" was. In fact I'd argue it's the best episode of Marvel Animation that MAN OF ACTION has yet written. Hey, a 1:10 ratio isn't too bad, is it? Yes, yes it is. But let's appreciate the one. That said, it did repeat a plot gimmick which is common in many cartoon shows and it is certainly one of the stranger episodes of the show's run in my opinion.

This episode picks up after "TO STEAL AN ANT-MAN" but in many ways it picks up the Hank Pym subplot left from last season. By that I mean, this is the episode where Hank Pym goes bat-**** crazy. To be honest, this was not a character turn I was looking forward to, even though I know it is usually what Pym is best known for. The problem is in recent years those negative traits have become so exaggerated by writers such as Brian Bendis and Mark Millar that to many, the ONLY thing Hank Pym is known for is being a maniac who hit his wife and made Ultron. There was plenty of stuff he did before and after. It is worth noting that Spider-Man once had a story where he went buggy (catch the pun) and hit his wife MJ in the 90's - a moment even immortalized in "SPIDER-MAN 3" - yet almost nobody merely refers to Spider-Man as "the guy who hit his wife". Hell, Mr. Fantastic's on and off verbal abuse and belittlement of Invisible Girl throughout the 60's and 70's is something that's rarely mentioned and at worst he's neglectful because he's busy being awesome. My point is that when a character is only defined by their flaws and worst moments, they become a shell rather than something interesting. I feared how this show would handle Pym and more often than not I was pleased. Sure, he was always odd and neurotic, but he wasn't some deranged maniac and served well in their role as science hero. Well, this episode changes all that - Hank Pym goes insane. Thankfully, no Wasps were hit in the making of this episode.

Tony Stark and Janet visit Pym in his college campus lab, and find it in complete disarray, along with Pym himself. He's unshaven and rambling like a mad-man about his new "Big House" prison, the shrunken down prison he ran for SHIELD before the Avengers assembled during "THE BREAK OUT". Concerned for both his mental health and his unsafe use of dangerous materials, Tony and Jan want him to come with them for help...until Pym is blown up. We get a funeral for Ant-Man (although why nobody remembers he was Giant-Man half the time is beyond me) in which virtually every superhero who has shown up before turns up - including Vision, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and the Fantastic Four. The team in general and Janet in particular are crushed to have lost their founding comrade in such a random manner, until it stands revealed that Pym's death was no accident - the explosion was deliberately triggered. Pym had been keeping tabs on the Serpent Society, although a new vigilante has emerged in NYC. He's named Yellowjacket and his theme appears to be blasting the members of the Serpent Society to nothingness, commanding swarms of bees, flying without wings, and talking in some borderline ridiculous "Dirty Harry" imitation dialogue. The idea of someone stealing Pym's inventions and using it without him is naturally also a theme from "TO STEAL AN ANT-MAN", something Pym settled on his own with the Heroes for Hire (although presumably the Avengers may eventually notice a new Ant-Man running around). While there is no love for the Serpent Society, this Yellowjacket is considered unstable and the Avengers seek to bring him in - especially when he brags about being the one who killed Pym. And who is Yellowjacket? Despite having a different body type and signature, Wasp is sure it's Pym - call it her "Psycho Man Sense" which attracted Michael Korvac to her. It turns out that she's right, only Yellowjacket appears to be a completely new personality who considers Pym someone else and someone "weaker", worthy of being killed off. Just when everyone is a mix of enraged and confused as hell, Yellowjacket's gun gets mangled and everyone is trapped in his new "Big House" prison; only now it is shrinking out of control and about to crush them all.

Thus we get another episode in which some Avengers are stuck in a situation where they're all about to die and they have to ask the Serpent Society for help, and the Serpents instead battle them to the last. This happened in "ALONG CAME A SPIDER" and with King Cobra in "PRISONERS OF WAR", practically. At the very least, they're consistent villains. Viper herself isn't anywhere to be seen but to be honest she'd probably have cluttered the episode further. There is a bit of "the shrinking episode" gimmick here as everyone is shrunken and that's about to kill them, but thankfully it isn't run into the ground like "POWERLESS" was. Apparently Yellowjacket is better at zapping people and talking in a raspy voice than he is at science, so everyone has to eventually shake Pym out of him to save the day. Then comes the weird ending where Pym is still very much in his new personality as Yellowjacket and mad as a hatter, yet the Avengers still keep him aboard - mostly because Wasp begs them. I know this is from the comics but as an episode in itself on TV, it all seems very bizarre.

Remember an episode of "THE NEW GOTHAM ADVENTURES" called "JUDGEMENT DAY" from 1998? In that episode Harvey Dent, who already has a split personality as Two-Face, develops a third personality as "The Judge", a brutal vigilante. None of the personalities are aware of the other to the point that the Judge wants to kill Two-Face and vice versa. At the end of the episode, Dent naturally winds up in his usual straight jacket in Arkham. Imagine if years later in "JLU" when they expanded the roster, Batman went to his pals and said, "Look, Harvey Dent used to be my friend and a good D.A., and he's a total lunatic, but when he's the Judge he could be good back-up if we encourage him to not be as violent and not switch to Two-Face. So how about we induct the Judge into the team and I'll monitor him." At that point I imagine everyone would look at Batman and assume he was telling a dark joke, but this episode of "A:EMH" comes very close to that. On the other hand, the Creeper WAS very much a member of the expended "JLU", and Batman was very much aware that The Creeper was a completely insane TV reporter who was dunked into chemicals by Joker but wound up so crazy that even Joker wanted away from him. "BEWARE THE CREEPER" ended with Batman insisting that Jack Ryder take patches to prevent becoming "The Creeper", but he obviously didn't and Batman apparently later was just fine having him join the "JLU" alongside Supergirl, Steel, Green Arrow and the rest. And while I am playing Devil's Advocate, "A:EMH" made it very clear that the Hulk was Bruce Banner's second personality, to the point that they would "talk" to each other within their minds only to everyone else it would look like Banner or Hulk were talking to themselves. The Avengers were therefore just fine with having Banner's split persona who disliked Banner be a founding member of the team because he was good at smashing. So I guess the moral is that if you're insane and dress in a costume and take politicians hostage (like Lock-Up in "LOCK-UP", from "B:TAS" circa 1994), you're a criminal and you go down. But if you're insane and dress in a costume and basically scare the wits out of criminals like the Creeper or Yellowjacket, than instead of a padded cell you too can join the earth's mightiest heroes!

Still, as crazy as Hulk and Banner may be, the Hulk never tried to KILL Banner in the presence of the Avengers - although he did make Banner agree to become the secondary persona in exchange for Hulk being a hero. Yellowjacket tried to blow up "Pym", and nearly killed Wasp if not for Iron Man, and basically kidnapped the Serpent Society against their will very much like Lock-Up would do to criminals. This also seemed sudden because there was no obvious "trigger" for Pym; he's been trying to quit being a superhero almost since he became an Avenger, and now all of a sudden he makes a personality who is a hardcore vigilante? I do suppose it is a slow burn thing; the "Big House" failed, he failed to rehabilitate any of the super-villains, he built Ultron and Ultron turned on him, and his Ant-Man gear was stolen from under him by a janitor. The bit in the comics where Pym desired Wasp's approval doesn't work because in this series, Wasp usually did approve of him; Pym usually rejected it to deny being a hero unless she was in trouble in his presence.

I'll be blunt; I have NEVER liked Yellowjacket. It just never sat with me, neither the design or the brash demeanor. Pym's worst moments were under that persona, to the point that in the comic book SECRET INVASION, his Skrull imposter took that form. I could accept Giant-Man or Ant-Man but I always preferred just Doctor Pym from the 90's; no limitations or gimmicks and just pure science hero. After all, almost nobody still calls Reed Richards "Mister Fantastic". Thus, while this episode did do a lot to try to make Yellowjacket seem edgy and threatening - mission accomplished - it's a turn that I haven't been eager for regardless of who wrote it. I'm not entirely thrilled that the last we see of Pym in this show as it winds down is as the insane Yellowjacket, the house nut who is there to fill the "unstable member spot" left void by the Hulk lately. While it is all interesting and holds my attention, I certainly prefer Season 1 Pym to Season 2 Pym.

Overall, though, still a decent episode and the best from MAN OF ACTION yet. Which, trust me, was not a very high bar.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Speaking of Emperor Stark, has that been done in the comics?Yes, they had a similar storyarc in the Exiles comic (#23-25):

http://ironman-armouredadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/3_exiles.jpg"In the Exiles series (alternate reality) Iron Man is a malevolent despot and the tyrant ruler of the World which as a whole is pretty annoying for everyone else. He also seems to have taken up wearing Dr Dooms cloak (his favorite trophy) in a bit of super villain cross dressing.

In a world plagued by all kinds of bad stuff, the people sought out a strong leader. Tony Stark came to the rescue; first becoming President of the United States for life, and later, as of an emergency edict ten years ago, Monarch of Earth. He ruled Earth with an iron fist. And this was all his plan from the beginning.

This world’s Tony Stark was brutally ambitious. He killed his father when he was just fourteen, enabling him to take over the mighty Stark fortune. Slowly he plotted, eventually getting the world economy in a stranglehold. The industrialist then bided his time. He waited for just the right moment before tightening his grip.

Then came the Mutant War, courtesy of Stark himself. Magneto, clandestinely funded by Stark, attacked humanity. In the chaos, the world begged for Stark’s assistance. He came forward to master the crisis.

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In taking over the world, he had to kill many heroes and villains. His battle with Dr. Doom left him horribly wounded, and he had to design a special suit of armor to aid in his recovery. (Doom was killed.) Also, because his face sustained a massive radiation blast from just a foot away, he uses a hologram to project a human face to his people.

This Stark had imperial designs beyond the bounds of earth. He wanted to move on to conquer other worlds. And he found the future of his intergalactic army in the untapped genetic power of the Inhumans. (I told you he was ambitious.) He launched an attack on the Inhumans’ island of Attilan with his army of Iron Men, four battalions—40,000 of them. These Iron Men squadrons, what Stark blithely called "flyers" were destroyed by a screaming Black Bolt.

This alternate reality Stark was then killed by the same reality’s Sue Storm at the end of Exiles #25."

[BigThor]

^ That reminds me of the time Thor took over earth when he was "King Thor", I never knew Iron Man did the same.

[RealIrOnMaN]

^ That reminds me of the time Thor took over earth when he was "King Thor", I never knew Iron Man did the same.Oh yeah, Lord Thor arc was pretty intense! I mean, the whole Dan Jurgens storyline was plain awesome, because he thought of everything, y'know. I think that he's one of the best Thor writers ever (right there with Walter Simonson and Jack Kirby)! He did a very magnificent job on the character development and the expansion of the legends of Asgard.

[Hawkingbird]

Will the Avengers Assemble cartoon be in line with Ultimate Spiderman? I hope not. The new cartoon has to be amazing to beat EMH. I don't like that it's based on the movie team with Falcon (which I'm pleased with in a way, signs that we'll be seeing him in Cap 2). I want the original team. I'm also hoping they'll have an X-Men cartoon to go with it.

[BigThor]

Oh yeah, Lord Thor arc was pretty intense! I mean, the whole Dan Jurgens storyline was plain awesome, because he thought of everything, y'know. I think that he's one of the best Thor writers ever (right there with Walter Simonson and Jack Kirby)! He did a very magnificent job on the character development and the expansion of the legends of Asgard.

Yep Lord Thor's arc is my favorite Thor stories of the 2000s and I definately think Jurgens is a highly underrated Thor writer.

[Panthro]

Okay, just saw a few episodes out of order (connection was bad last night), I'll post in spoilers to be polite even though it's probably not necessary at this point -


Nightmare In Red - Good. Not great, but good. Action scenes were well executed, Bruce Banner fishing while Hawkeye complains was funny, the shout out to Hulk originally being gray was funny and Hulk saying "Avengers Assemble!" was awesome.

Prisoner of War - Probably the best of the bunch I just watched out of order, though Captain America's prison beard should have been thicker after two months. The Cap Vs. Super-Skrull fight was great, as was the scene of Cap owning the fake Avengers.

Along Came A Spider - Pretty good, overall. J. Jonah Jameson was his usual unlikable petty so-drunk-on-his-own-arrogance-that-he-doesn't-care-who-he-hurts self, the civilians of the Marvel universe once again proved to be a bunch of stupid jerks who don't deserve their heroes, Cap as always proved that he's too good for the stupid citizens of the Marvel Universe, Cap's team up with Spider-Man and their fight against the Serpents were well done; the very last scene with Cap giving his seal of approval to Spidey to go terrorize JJJ was funny. While I would have preferred what was no doubt the superior original performance of previous Spidey voice actor Josh Keaton I wasn't overly annoyed with current Spidey voice actor Drake Bell; at least he had better lines here than he does on USM.

Powerless - Okay this episode is just plain stupid, like a really bad 80s cartoon stupid. Iron Man & Captain America don't even technically have powers. Being basically a very durable athlete and a highly intelligent guy in a suit are not super powers. Ms. Marvel, Wasp and/or the Hulk would have been more logical choices, but it feels as though the writers were mandated to do an episode focusing on the Big 3 - Cap, Iron Man, Thor - and put zero thought or effort into it. And Thor shouldn't need any more "learn humility episodes" by this point. He and his home world got saved by his mortal teammates at the end of season one for crying out loud! How much more humbling could a big hulking god possibly need? Seriously, a chain-smoking monkey hand-cuffed to a laptop could have written a better episode. The only things that made this episode bearable were Hawkeye, Amora, Loki and the Destroyer.

[MarvelKnight]

Yellowjacket episode was actually quite good. It was night and day compared to MoA's "Powerless" I hope more MoA episodes are in line with what yellowjacket was.

[Venomfan]

BigThor how did you find Thor in the past few episodes? the other characters are actually acting like hes a lot more powerful, and hes been showing it

[Hawkingbird]

I think there should be riots in the streets for this show being cancelled. If Avengers Assemble is anything like Ultimate Spider Man I will...will...
write a very angry letter of complaint!

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I think there should be riots in the streets for this show being cancelled. If Avengers Assemble is anything like Ultimate Spider Man I will...will...
write a very angry letter of complaint!

with very strong words?... lol...

[MarvelKnight]

Thor is a lot more no-nonsense and imo definitely laying the smack down way more since coming back to Earth. (besides his little poor me attitude in that crap they call Powerless)

[MarvelKnight]

I'm stopping with USM after I see the Wolverine episode. I do not think I will be missing much. I have no problem watching Batman,JL/JLU, Spider-Man X-men and all the other better shows that have been put on in the past in place of the garbage we're getting in the future

[Hawkingbird]

with very strong words?... lol...

I'll keep it to Cap's standards...

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I'll keep it to Cap's standards...

I much rather prefer your b**chslap proposal that you made over in the USM thread... :woot:

[Hawkingbird]

I much rather prefer your b**chslap proposal that you made over in the USM thread... :woot:

Or I could go to extremes and take the Wolverine way of doing things...or Deadpool :o

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I'll keep it to Cap's standards...

Or I could go to extremes and take the Wolverine way of doing things...or Deadpool :o

now what would Cap say to THAT?... :wow: :woot:

[TheVileOne]

Episode 44, "YELLOWJACKET", is a return of writing duties by MAN OF ACTION after a refreshing two episode detour back into quality. In fairness, though, this is a much better episode than "POWERLESS" was. In fact I'd argue it's the best episode of Marvel Animation that MAN OF ACTION has yet written. Hey, a 1:10 ratio isn't too bad, is it? Yes, yes it is. But let's appreciate the one. That said, it did repeat a plot gimmick which is common in many cartoon shows and it is certainly one of the stranger episodes of the show's run in my opinion.

This episode picks up after "TO STEAL AN ANT-MAN" but in many ways it picks up the Hank Pym subplot left from last season. By that I mean, this is the episode where Hank Pym goes bat-**** crazy. To be honest, this was not a character turn I was looking forward to, even though I know it is usually what Pym is best known for. The problem is in recent years those negative traits have become so exaggerated by writers such as Brian Bendis and Mark Millar that to many, the ONLY thing Hank Pym is known for is being a maniac who hit his wife and made Ultron. There was plenty of stuff he did before and after. It is worth noting that Spider-Man once had a story where he went buggy (catch the pun) and hit his wife MJ in the 90's - a moment even immortalized in "SPIDER-MAN 3" - yet almost nobody merely refers to Spider-Man as "the guy who hit his wife". Hell, Mr. Fantastic's on and off verbal abuse and belittlement of Invisible Girl throughout the 60's and 70's is something that's rarely mentioned and at worst he's neglectful because he's busy being awesome. My point is that when a character is only defined by their flaws and worst moments, they become a shell rather than something interesting. I feared how this show would handle Pym and more often than not I was pleased. Sure, he was always odd and neurotic, but he wasn't some deranged maniac and served well in their role as science hero. Well, this episode changes all that - Hank Pym goes insane. Thankfully, no Wasps were hit in the making of this episode.

Tony Stark and Janet visit Pym in his college campus lab, and find it in complete disarray, along with Pym himself. He's unshaven and rambling like a mad-man about his new "Big House" prison, the shrunken down prison he ran for SHIELD before the Avengers assembled during "THE BREAK OUT". Concerned for both his mental health and his unsafe use of dangerous materials, Tony and Jan want him to come with them for help...until Pym is blown up. We get a funeral for Ant-Man (although why nobody remembers he was Giant-Man half the time is beyond me) in which virtually every superhero who has shown up before turns up - including Vision, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and the Fantastic Four. The team in general and Janet in particular are crushed to have lost their founding comrade in such a random manner, until it stands revealed that Pym's death was no accident - the explosion was deliberately triggered. Pym had been keeping tabs on the Serpent Society, although a new vigilante has emerged in NYC. He's named Yellowjacket and his theme appears to be blasting the members of the Serpent Society to nothingness, commanding swarms of bees, flying without wings, and talking in some borderline ridiculous "Dirty Harry" imitation dialogue. The idea of someone stealing Pym's inventions and using it without him is naturally also a theme from "TO STEAL AN ANT-MAN", something Pym settled on his own with the Heroes for Hire (although presumably the Avengers may eventually notice a new Ant-Man running around). While there is no love for the Serpent Society, this Yellowjacket is considered unstable and the Avengers seek to bring him in - especially when he brags about being the one who killed Pym. And who is Yellowjacket? Despite having a different body type and signature, Wasp is sure it's Pym - call it her "Psycho Man Sense" which attracted Michael Korvac to her. It turns out that she's right, only Yellowjacket appears to be a completely new personality who considers Pym someone else and someone "weaker", worthy of being killed off. Just when everyone is a mix of enraged and confused as hell, Yellowjacket's gun gets mangled and everyone is trapped in his new "Big House" prison; only now it is shrinking out of control and about to crush them all.

Thus we get another episode in which some Avengers are stuck in a situation where they're all about to die and they have to ask the Serpent Society for help, and the Serpents instead battle them to the last. This happened in "ALONG CAME A SPIDER" and with King Cobra in "PRISONERS OF WAR", practically. At the very least, they're consistent villains. Viper herself isn't anywhere to be seen but to be honest she'd probably have cluttered the episode further. There is a bit of "the shrinking episode" gimmick here as everyone is shrunken and that's about to kill them, but thankfully it isn't run into the ground like "POWERLESS" was. Apparently Yellowjacket is better at zapping people and talking in a raspy voice than he is at science, so everyone has to eventually shake Pym out of him to save the day. Then comes the weird ending where Pym is still very much in his new personality as Yellowjacket and mad as a hatter, yet the Avengers still keep him aboard - mostly because Wasp begs them. I know this is from the comics but as an episode in itself on TV, it all seems very bizarre.

Remember an episode of "THE NEW GOTHAM ADVENTURES" called "JUDGEMENT DAY" from 1998? In that episode Harvey Dent, who already has a split personality as Two-Face, develops a third personality as "The Judge", a brutal vigilante. None of the personalities are aware of the other to the point that the Judge wants to kill Two-Face and vice versa. At the end of the episode, Dent naturally winds up in his usual straight jacket in Arkham. Imagine if years later in "JLU" when they expanded the roster, Batman went to his pals and said, "Look, Harvey Dent used to be my friend and a good D.A., and he's a total lunatic, but when he's the Judge he could be good back-up if we encourage him to not be as violent and not switch to Two-Face. So how about we induct the Judge into the team and I'll monitor him." At that point I imagine everyone would look at Batman and assume he was telling a dark joke, but this episode of "A:EMH" comes very close to that. On the other hand, the Creeper WAS very much a member of the expended "JLU", and Batman was very much aware that The Creeper was a completely insane TV reporter who was dunked into chemicals by Joker but wound up so crazy that even Joker wanted away from him. "BEWARE THE CREEPER" ended with Batman insisting that Jack Ryder take patches to prevent becoming "The Creeper", but he obviously didn't and Batman apparently later was just fine having him join the "JLU" alongside Supergirl, Steel, Green Arrow and the rest. And while I am playing Devil's Advocate, "A:EMH" made it very clear that the Hulk was Bruce Banner's second personality, to the point that they would "talk" to each other within their minds only to everyone else it would look like Banner or Hulk were talking to themselves. The Avengers were therefore just fine with having Banner's split persona who disliked Banner be a founding member of the team because he was good at smashing. So I guess the moral is that if you're insane and dress in a costume and take politicians hostage (like Lock-Up in "LOCK-UP", from "B:TAS" circa 1994), you're a criminal and you go down. But if you're insane and dress in a costume and basically scare the wits out of criminals like the Creeper or Yellowjacket, than instead of a padded cell you too can join the earth's mightiest heroes!

Still, as crazy as Hulk and Banner may be, the Hulk never tried to KILL Banner in the presence of the Avengers - although he did make Banner agree to become the secondary persona in exchange for Hulk being a hero. Yellowjacket tried to blow up "Pym", and nearly killed Wasp if not for Iron Man, and basically kidnapped the Serpent Society against their will very much like Lock-Up would do to criminals. This also seemed sudden because there was no obvious "trigger" for Pym; he's been trying to quit being a superhero almost since he became an Avenger, and now all of a sudden he makes a personality who is a hardcore vigilante? I do suppose it is a slow burn thing; the "Big House" failed, he failed to rehabilitate any of the super-villains, he built Ultron and Ultron turned on him, and his Ant-Man gear was stolen from under him by a janitor. The bit in the comics where Pym desired Wasp's approval doesn't work because in this series, Wasp usually did approve of him; Pym usually rejected it to deny being a hero unless she was in trouble in his presence.

I'll be blunt; I have NEVER liked Yellowjacket. It just never sat with me, neither the design or the brash demeanor. Pym's worst moments were under that persona, to the point that in the comic book SECRET INVASION, his Skrull imposter took that form. I could accept Giant-Man or Ant-Man but I always preferred just Doctor Pym from the 90's; no limitations or gimmicks and just pure science hero. After all, almost nobody still calls Reed Richards "Mister Fantastic". Thus, while this episode did do a lot to try to make Yellowjacket seem edgy and threatening - mission accomplished - it's a turn that I haven't been eager for regardless of who wrote it. I'm not entirely thrilled that the last we see of Pym in this show as it winds down is as the insane Yellowjacket, the house nut who is there to fill the "unstable member spot" left void by the Hulk lately. While it is all interesting and holds my attention, I certainly prefer Season 1 Pym to Season 2 Pym.

Overall, though, still a decent episode and the best from MAN OF ACTION yet. Which, trust me, was not a very high bar.
MoA have done some good work on Ben 10, but I wouldn't expect you to ever acknowledge that. Just like before this show started you didn't think Chris Yost could handle or was qualified enough to be in charge of a show like this.

[Quasimod0]

I actually enjoyed powerless. I think it was a great episode for cap because no matter how skinny he was, he did not give up. His real strength comes from inside. They handled that well I thought.

[BigThor]

BigThor how did you find Thor in the past few episodes? the other characters are actually acting like hes a lot more powerful, and hes been showing it

Dude for the most part I've been THOROUGHLY impressed, Thor hasn't been getting thrown around by anyone that shouldn't be able to throw him around. He lifted that huge piece of the street in "Along Came Spidey", finished off Anihhilus in "Assault On 42", and he landed the killing blow on Ultron in "Ultron Unlimited".

Oh and it was pretty awesome seeing Yellowjacket avoid him instead of going toe to toe with him like he did with Cap and Panther. Thor even stopped the micro-prison from caving in on The Avengers at the end of the episode. :woot:

Thor is a lot more no-nonsense and imo definitely laying the smack down way more since coming back to Earth. (besides his little poor me attitude in that crap they call Powerless)

Hell yeah, I was like "now THIS is how Thor is suppose to be handled" and I noticed that he isn't treated that way when Hulk is around.

[MarvelKnight]

MoA have done some good work on Ben 10, but I wouldn't expect you to ever acknowledge that. Just like before this show started you didn't think Chris Yost could handle or was qualified enough to be in charge of a show like this.

Maybe I'm one of the few, but I have enjoyed every one of Ben10's series..However, Powerless was GOD-EFFING-AWFUL...

If MoA can keep in line with what they did with Yellowjacket, which I thought was definitely above average, I'll be happy the rest of this season. I just don't want inconsistent garbage.

[MarvelKnight]

I actually enjoyed powerless. I think it was a great episode for cap because no matter how skinny he was, he did not give up. His real strength comes from inside. They handled that well I thought.

Cap was never out of character..I'll give you that, he was great through and through.

I just didn't like how they essentially made "Thor" the movie into an animated episode like that. There was no suspense and frankly it was just ******** and bad.

But again, Cap was Cap no matter what. Which was nice to see.

[TheVileOne]

Maybe I'm one of the few, but I have enjoyed every one of Ben10's series..However, Powerless was GOD-EFFING-AWFUL...

If MoA can keep in line with what they did with Yellowjacket, which I thought was definitely above average, I'll be happy the rest of this season. I just don't want inconsistent garbage.
I don't know what was awful about it. I loved seeing the Destroyer animated like that.

To me it reinforces that all of the Avengers are more than just their weapons, their armor, or their powers. It's their strength of character, integrity, and determination that makes the difference. Also, we got great material with Hawkeye joking around about the guys not having their best day since Hawkeye is always the bow and arrow guy. He's a regular human being without special powers and yet in this episode he's the one having to save their necks since his teammates are now at physical disadvantages.

[Dread]

MoA have done some good work on Ben 10, but I wouldn't expect you to ever acknowledge that. Just like before this show started you didn't think Chris Yost could handle or was qualified enough to be in charge of a show like this.

I specifically noted MoA's work on Marvel Animation in my review for the comparison; I did not specify of all time with other franchises:
"In fact I'd argue it's the best episode of Marvel Animation that MAN OF ACTION has yet written."

I've never watched "BEN 10" or "GENERATOR REX", nor have I been inspired to.

[Hawkingbird]

now what would Cap say to THAT?... :wow: :woot:

He would probably join me if he saw the awfulness that is Ultimate Spiderman....

[mehrabix]

My ALONG CAME A SPIDER review is here: Keep in mind that when I mentioned certain episode themes, I didn't JUST mean superhero episodes. Plenty of other shows had the amnesia episode, the shrinking episode, the powerless episode, etc. Off the top of my head, HE-MAN AND THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE had HE-MAN'S QUEST as the amnesia episode, written by Paul Dini no less - and it was dreadful. Seriously, He-Man fights a purple rabbit named Plunder. FANTASTIC FOUR: WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES didn't have a everyone loses their powers episode, but they DID have a mind-swap episode (DOOMED), the shrinking episode (WORLD'S TINIEST HEROES), the amnesia episode (THE CURE), and the power-swap episode (BAIT AND SWITCH). Now, that isn't to say one can't make a good episode out of these endlessly repeated plots. THE CURE for instance was written by Dan Slott and was easily the best episode of the show. JLU did THE GREAT BRAIN ROBBERY swapping Flash's mind with Lex Luthor and it was also handled well. Usually, though, they wind up bland.Thank you Dread for your wonderful reviews. you are the greatest!Two questions: 1- Is there anywhere else where I can read all your reviews? (I am especially interested in reading your reviews on Spectacular Spider-Man episodes)2- At what point do you think Mockingbird was replaced by Skrulls, before Fury left shield? After he left but before Cap was replaced? I have watched Widow's Sting and all the Skrull-related episodes several times and I am still in the dark!

[IronGirl299]

Only watched The Ballad of Beta Ray Bill and got mindblown. Terrific on all counts, especially the music, and when Thor yelled 'Come, Bill--to battle!' I jumped for joy. Great episode.

[Cyclonus]

Has anyone seen the Emperor Stark episode yet?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Has anyone seen the Emperor Stark episode yet?Not yet, but it'll be available during this week, as well as Code Red, Winter Soldier and Deadliest Man Alive.

[venomfangs125]

Not yet, but it'll be available during this week, as well as Code Red, Winter Soldier and Deadliest Man Alive.

I thought they were airing NEXT week? The 18th through the 21st? But then again....

[Arthur Curry]

Not yet, but it'll be available during this week, as well as Code Red, Winter Soldier and Deadliest Man Alive.

WOW, that maybe the best batch yet!?!?! It's almost like to a small degree Cap has had his own animated series after he broke free from Skrulls.

When you look at;
"Meet Captain America"
"Living Legend"
"Man Who Stole Tomorrow"
"Hail Hydra"
"Nightmare in Red"
"Prisoner of War"
"Along Came a Spidey"
"A Vision Must Come"
"Ultron Unlimited"
"Code Red"
"Winter Soldier"

and who knows what else, it's almost a small template for a season 1 Cap series. But quite frankly he deserves every bit and more and no one deserves a solo series more than Cap.

[Dread]

Thank you Dread for your wonderful reviews. you are the greatest!Two questions: 1- Is there anywhere else where I can read all your reviews? (I am especially interested in reading your reviews on Spectacular Spider-Man episodes)2- At what point do you think Mockingbird was replaced by Skrulls, before Fury left shield? After he left but before Cap was replaced? I have watched Widow's Sting and all the Skrull-related episodes several times and I am still in the dark!

Thanks.

There is a link in my sig to my articles at Examiner.com, which tend to be comic book news and comic reviews every week. As for "TSSM" reviews, those are likely buried somewhere in the Spider-Man forums. I would suggest using the search tool. Those reviews in particular would have been posted 2-3 years ago.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Holy crap! That's really awesome! I totally didn't expect one of my favorite Avengers stories (GS) to be ever adapted in the animation. I'll be missing this show a lot:

Episode 23 (New Avengers) (http://www.abc.net.au/abc3/shows/guide/201206/ZX8905A023.htm) + Episode 24 (Galactic Storm) (http://www.abc.net.au/abc3/shows/guide/201206/ZX8905A024.htm)!

[BigThor]

Spider-Man, Wolverine, War Machine, Luke Cage, and The Thing forming the new team?

Yawnnnnn :whatever:

[RealIrOnMaN]

The only thing that I'm afraid of is that the Galactic Storm is not going to be a 3-parter because they still have the Surtur Saga on their hands in the last 2 episodes.

[BigThor]

The only thing that I'm afraid of is that the Galactic Storm is not going to be a 3-parter because they still have the Surtur Saga on their hands in the last 2 episodes.

GS should definately be a 2-3 parter, then again I want the Sutur saga to be that length as well.

[Vartha]

man I need to see this season!!!! I want to see the Beta Ray Bill shows BAD. all I keep finding are clips

[venomfangs125]

I recommend going to Watchartoononline.com and looking for Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

[Quasimod0]

Or even youtube. Not that im suggesting that you do that

[Hawkingbird]

I can't find it on watch cartoons. Youtube I know has them....maybe

[Quasimod0]

Spider-Man, Wolverine, War Machine, Luke Cage, and The Thing forming the new team?

Yawnnnnn :whatever:
Man, war machine? And where is iron fist? He should be on that team aswell.

[BigThor]

Man, war machine? And where is iron fist? He should be on that team aswell.

Oh yeah my bad I left him out, Iron Fist on the team as well.

[Panthro]

Spider-Man, Wolverine, War Machine, Luke Cage, and The Thing forming the new team?

Yawnnnnn :whatever:

With the exception of War Machine none of those characters have any business being Avengers.

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

With the exception of War Machine none of those characters have any business being Avengers.

agreed...

[venomfangs125]

Excuse me, what do you guys have against Spider-Man?

[RealIrOnMaN]

Excuse me, what do you guys have against Spider-Man?I have nothing against him. He's one of my fav. superheroes, but for me, personally, the character of Spider-Man works the best when he's alone. The guy is an outsider and a loner (that's when we're observing his best battles, tragedies and etc).

I cannot accept him as a permanent team player (be it Fantastic Foundation or New Avengers), because it always looks out of place and pointless. Yes, he helps them here and there, but it always seems so awkward and unnecessary.

[Panthro]

Excuse me, what do you guys have against Spider-Man?

I lost respect for the character after he sold his marriage to the devil.

[RealIrOnMaN]

I lost respect for Joe Quesada after he sold Spider-Man's marriage to the devil.Corrected)

[Quasimod0]

I actually love reading the new avengers. I like how they are sorta more down to earth than the big dogs, more like a family. And i dont mind spider-man or wolverine being on the team at all. So I'm excited to see em in animated form. :up:

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I actually love reading the new avengers. I like how they are sorta more down to earth than the big dogs, more like a family. And i dont mind spider-man or wolverine being on the team at all. So I'm excited to see em in animated form. :up:


just what we all need... yet ANOTHER Wolverine appearance and even MORE OVER-exposure of a character that Marvel INSISTS that they must shove down our throats... :cmad:

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Description for Episode 25:

http://www.abc.net.au/abc3/shows/guide/201206/ZX8905A025.htm

Yawn.

[Quasimod0]

just what we all need... yet ANOTHER Wolverine appearance and even MORE OVER-exposure of a character that Marvel INSISTS that they must shove down our throats... :cmad:
One episode in the whole series isnt bad at all... Certainly nothing to get angry about.

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

One episode in the whole series isnt bad at all... Certainly nothing to get angry about.

ANY sort of new appearance by Wolverine in ANY format, comics or animation, is just one more too many...

[BigThor]

just what we all need... yet ANOTHER Wolverine appearance and even MORE OVER-exposure of a character that Marvel INSISTS that they must shove down our throats... :cmad:

Spider-Man is far more over exposed than Wolverine, it's not even close really.

[TheCorpulent1]

Both of them don't need to appear in this show. The whole New Avengers concept irritates me. Make the f***ing Vision an Avenger already instead of dilly-dallying with the likes of Luke Cage and Wolverine. :o

[BigThor]

Both of them don't need to appear in this show. The whole New Avengers concept irritates me. Make the f***ing Vision an Avenger already instead of dilly-dallying with the likes of Luke Cage and Wolverine. :o

QFT :up:

I'm with you on this my friend and Luke Cage is one of my favorite heroes.

[spider_man_2]

So the whole Surtur arc is getting wrapped up in just ONE episode? Uh-oh...

[BigThor]

So the whole Surtur arc is getting wrapped up in just ONE episode? Uh-oh...

I knowww

GOT DAMMIT! :cmad:

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Spider-Man is far more over exposed than Wolverine, it's not even close really.

oh, I have DEFINITELY have got to disagree with that...

at least with Spidey in the comics, we don't get a character whose mythology and back history is so out of control and so convoluted with constant new additions and revelations about his past that just never seems to end...

who gives a s**t... I certainly don't...

while in the animated field, it's Marvel's way of just shoving Wolverine down everyone's throats in every way possible into every other animated they have...and that's ONLY because he's merely the most recognized mutant out of the lot... and who's not even REMOTELY interesting in the LEAST, be it in comic form or ESPECIALLY in toon form...

when it REALLY comes right down to it, what's he REALLY got going for himself?... the same thing that he's had from Day One... sharp claws and an annoyingly bad attitude...

wow, what a really interesting character... :o...

and the biggest shame of it all is that Marvel treats Wolverine as if he's the be-all and end-all of the X Universe... and he's NOT...

when it comes to Wolverine, the term "ad nauseum" is QUITE appropriate and well-deserved...

HEAVY emphasis on the nausea...

[TheCorpulent1]

So the whole Surtur arc is getting wrapped up in just ONE episode? Uh-oh...
As long as that episode stays true to the Simonson influence so far and features Thor, Odin, and Loki teaming up to fight Surtur, I'll be happy.

[spider_man_2]

As long as that episode stays true to the Simonson influence so far and features Thor, Odin, and Loki teaming up to fight Surtur, I'll be happy.

- For Asgard!
- For Midgard!
- For myself!

That's all I really want to hear in such an episode.

[Cyclonus]

Man, I thought atleast few new episodes would be appearing online this week by now..

[Arthur Curry]

Man, I thought atleast few new episodes would be appearing online this week by now..

AGREED!!! It's been a while since the last batch, it would seemingly be due about now??? They're not turning up in my usual DL places either. Being a stupid American it's impossible to figure the Aussie TV AEMH airing trends.

It's frustrating for me as this huge Cap zealot because the Red Skull and Winter Soldier are in this next batch. And if we strictly relied on US airings I would be livid and violent because we'd be like 10 eps back.

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

AGREED!!! It's been a while since the last batch, it would seemingly be due about now??? They're not turning up in my usual DL places either. Being a stupid American it's impossible to figure the Aussie TV AEMH airing trends.

It's frustrating for me as this huge Cap zealot because the Red Skull and Winter Soldier are in this next batch. And if we strictly relied on US airings I would be livid and violent because we'd be like 10 eps back.

if my math is correct, we're actually 18 episodes behind...

oops, never mind, my bad... you're right... only 10 eps behind...

[Arthur Curry]

if my math is correct, we're actually 18 episodes behind...

oops, never mind, my bad... you're right... only 10 eps behind...

The last one in the US was "The Ballad of Beta Ray Bill" which was soooo long ago to me now after having seen every ep to "Yellow Jacket" it literally seems like a lifetime ago.

US airings are so sparse, unnecessarily/ineffectively calculated, and cheesy that I don't think they'll get through season 2 till about October or November of the Fall. And for we hardcores it will be old hat by the time say "Yellow Jacket" airs in the US just like season 1 was.

[Panthro]

oh, I have DEFINITELY have got to disagree with that...

at least with Spidey in the comics, we don't get a character whose mythology and back history is so out of control and so convoluted with constant new additions and revelations about his past that just never seems to end...

who gives a s**t... I certainly don't...

while in the animated field, it's Marvel's way of just shoving Wolverine down everyone's throats in every way possible into every other animated they have...and that's ONLY because he's merely the most recognized mutant out of the lot... and who's not even REMOTELY interesting in the LEAST, be it in comic form or ESPECIALLY in toon form...

when it REALLY comes right down to it, what's he REALLY got going for himself?... the same thing that he's had from Day One... sharp claws and an annoyingly bad attitude...

wow, what a really interesting character... :o...

and the biggest shame of it all is that Marvel treats Wolverine as if he's the be-all and end-all of the X Universe... and he's NOT...

when it comes to Wolverine, the term "ad nauseum" is QUITE appropriate and well-deserved...

HEAVY emphasis on the nausea...

I always thought of Spidey & Wolvie as evenly matched in the overexposed department, but yeah, seeing more Wolverine gives me some bad nausea as well.

[Arthur Curry]

I always thought of Spidey & Wolvie as evenly matched in the overexposed department, but yeah, seeing more Wolverine gives me some bad nausea as well.

The problem I have with mostly Pantro is I don't see these other velvet-rope, snobby shows of the X or Spidey-verse properties returning the favor on their past shows for needed exposure of the Avengers characters when it counted.

When I watched SPEC SPIDER-MAN, WOLV X-MEN, X-MEN EVOLUTION, MTV SPIDER-MAN I didn't see virtually ANY of these shows reaching out or making any attempt to give a nice stage to like a Cap or IM or Thor. As far as I'm concerned it's payback time for all the overexposure SpM and X have gotten. But as we can see these guys just can't help themselves as Spidey and Wolvie both show up seas2.

[DawnWarrior]

I'm working on a theory regarding the new 'Avengers: Assemble' cartoon. I won't be able to put it to the test until the show airs, but every time I read something about 'Assemble' I can't help wondering. My theory is this:

There is nothing that Marvel plans to do with 'Assemble' that they couldn't just do with 'EMH.'

I'd be happy to have someone prove me wrong, but I'm starting to sense that EMH was cancelled for mysterious internal reasons that have nothing to do with the show itself. They want 'Assemble' to resemble the Cinematic universe? EMH was doing that just fine already. Appeal to kids and hardcore fans? Check. Highly ambitious and expensive? Duh. What else is there? Everyone who shows up in the movie has already appeared on the show, except maybe Agent Coulson, and they could just add him to the show in Season 3. Am I missing something here?

[BigThor]

oh, I have DEFINITELY have got to disagree with that...

at least with Spidey in the comics, we don't get a character whose mythology and back history is so out of control and so convoluted with constant new additions and revelations about his past that just never seems to end...

who gives a s**t... I certainly don't...

while in the animated field, it's Marvel's way of just shoving Wolverine down everyone's throats in every way possible into every other animated they have...and that's ONLY because he's merely the most recognized mutant out of the lot... and who's not even REMOTELY interesting in the LEAST, be it in comic form or ESPECIALLY in toon form...

when it REALLY comes right down to it, what's he REALLY got going for himself?... the same thing that he's had from Day One... sharp claws and an annoyingly bad attitude...

wow, what a really interesting character... :o...

and the biggest shame of it all is that Marvel treats Wolverine as if he's the be-all and end-all of the X Universe... and he's NOT...

when it comes to Wolverine, the term "ad nauseum" is QUITE appropriate and well-deserved...

HEAVY emphasis on the nausea...

Spidey's had like 10 different animated series, four different films, and 20 different videogames so I'm positive he's had more exposure.

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Spidey's had like 10 different animated series, four different films, and 20 different videogames so I'm positive he's had more exposure.


only because he's the flagship character and face of Marvel... Wolverine is NOT...

[spider_man_2]

only because he's the flagship character and face of Marvel... Wolverine is NOT...

And let's hope it stays that way. Spidey is actually an engaging character, unlike the caricature Wolverine has become since at least the 90's.

[BigThor]

only because he's the flagship character and face of Marvel... Wolverine is NOT...

That's no excuse for over exposure, besides Wolverine is the flagship character for the X-Men.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Final episode description is up:

http://www.abc.net.au/abc3/shows/guide/201206/ZX8905A026.htm

[Quasimod0]

I like wolverine and spiderman. And batman and superman. I see these four heroes all the time. But I still love em

[Anatale]

Final episode description is up:

http://www.abc.net.au/abc3/shows/guide/201206/ZX8905A026.htm



Wow man,Galactus?!? This is going to be awesome! The only thing is disappointing to me is don't see the end of the Surtur arc :csad:. Only if AEHM have one more season... :doh: Stupid Loeb.
By the way,this is my first post,i've been following the post's and seeing this awesome show for a time and all the awesome people here that love the avengers universe as well :yay:.Sorry if i wrote something incorrectly.

[BigThor]

I like wolverine and spiderman. And batman and superman. I see these four heroes all the time. But I still love em

Yeah but people already know and love them, let other heroes get their just reward for a change.

[IronGirl299]

I'm working on a theory regarding the new 'Avengers: Assemble' cartoon. I won't be able to put it to the test until the show airs, but every time I read something about 'Assemble' I can't help wondering. My theory is this:

There is nothing that Marvel plans to do with 'Assemble' that they couldn't just do with 'EMH.'

I'd be happy to have someone prove me wrong, but I'm starting to sense that EMH was cancelled for mysterious internal reasons that have nothing to do with the show itself. They want 'Assemble' to resemble the Cinematic universe? EMH was doing that just fine already. Appeal to kids and hardcore fans? Check. Highly ambitious and expensive? Duh. What else is there? Everyone who shows up in the movie has already appeared on the show, except maybe Agent Coulson, and they could just add him to the show in Season 3. Am I missing something here?

Nope. Exactly what I was thinking. I can see me in 2013 watching an Avengers Assemble episode and going 'reminds me of that one plot they used for EMH' or 'This could've happened in EMH!' It's sad and a waste of time, talent and juicy Avengery goodness. They better really bring it with this new one.

[TheVileOne]

Give it a rest. They want a new show closer to the movie that's breaking records all over the world. Makes perfect sense.

[jmaf26]

Final episode description is up:

http://www.abc.net.au/abc3/shows/guide/201206/ZX8905A026.htm

i think that the image of all super heroes that have appeared on this season belongs to this episode. Think about it, is galactus they need all the firepower

[Panthro]

Yeah but people already know and love them, let other heroes get their just reward for a change.

This.

[Vartha]

As long as that episode stays true to the Simonson influence so far and features Thor, Odin, and Loki teaming up to fight Surtur, I'll be happy.
Indeed!

I still want to know what happened to the Thor animated Series they planned. last I remember it was announced back with Tales of Asgard.

[Venomfan]

Give it a rest. They want a new show closer to the movie that's breaking records all over the world. Makes perfect sense.
but what can they really do to make it closer? just paint caps wings on and lose hawkeyes costume? they did half of that in EMH already

[TheVileOne]

but what can they really do to make it closer? just paint caps wings on and lose hawkeyes costume? they did half of that in EMH already

How about we see what they are going to do before we start trashing it hm? We know Falcon is going to be the rookie and newbie on the team likely to tie in with his appearance in another movie I imagine. Maybe they want a threat like Thanos as the villain or maybe they want Avengers more closely associated with SHIELD. Maybe Coulson will be in it.

[Venomfan]

How about we see what they are going to do before we start trashing it hm? We know Falcon is going to be the rookie and newbie on the team likely to tie in with his appearance in another movie I imagine. Maybe they want a threat like Thanos as the villain or maybe they want Avengers more closely associated with SHIELD. Maybe Coulson will be in it.
thats what i mean though, all that stuff is easily possibly on EMH

[TheVileOne]

Not necessarily. The main creative forces behind EMH are no longer at Marvel Animation. Josh Fine left the company. Chris Yost moved on to the features division. Gary Hartle is working for Hasbro at the moment. The late great Boyd Kirkland has passed on.

I think it will be better to see a new show than an older show without much of the same creative vision that made it so great.

People are too hung up on names. We just got a great Avengers series for 52 episodes. Why can't people simply enjoy that?

[muscaremy]

So are they still showing new episodes on disney its been two or three weeks of repeats

[Quasimod0]

I hope hawkeye has personality in the new show. And id love for them to bring back some of the voice actors

[Panthro]

I hope hawkeye has personality in the new show. And id love for them to bring back some of the voice actors

It'd be great to keep Brian Bloom as the voice of Captain America, he embodies the part so well, but I wouldn't be surprised if they go for someone who sounds like Chris Evans (and also the possibility that Brian Bloom may not be readily available).

[LegendAssemble]

It'd be great to keep Brian Bloom as the voice of Captain America, he embodies the part so well, but I wouldn't be surprised if they go for someone who sounds like Chris Evans (and also the possibility that Brian Bloom may not be readily available).

They're gonna make all the characters sound as close to their movie counterparts as possible.

Anyway I don't see why people are complaining so much. Yes the show only lasted two seasons, but keeps in mind those two seasons had 52 episodes and a mini series which lead into them. This is no Spectacular Spider-Man two season ending, we're far from getting shafted.

Plus for anyone who's seen the new Episodes from past the creative team switch, yes there is a focus on making these stories only last one episode, but that only really limited to the villains, there are still multiple episode long story arcs.

I think Marvel knows they screwed up big trying to make Ultimate Spider-Man like Teen Titans, and they're learning from said error. Hopefully the new series will be even better! Personally though, I for one want no Agent Coulson, he needs to just stay in the movies.

[Arthur Curry]

STILL no new batch of episodes showing up anywhere yet Aussie wise??!?!? Anyone have a line on these yet? It's been I think a week since the last mini marathon we were showered with.

Next up are supposed to be "Emperor Stark", "Code Red", and "Winter Soldier". I'm salivating for the latters.

[r0derix]

The reason is the station in Australia that is airing them was putting them on their website a week early, and people smarter than I were able to acquire them. Someone figured out what was going wrong and locked that bad security up. Now we just have to wait for them to actually air on the tv at one a day.

[Arthur Curry]

The reason is the station in Australia that is airing them was putting them on their website a week early, and people smarter than I were able to acquire them. Someone figured out what was going wrong and locked that bad security up. Now we just have to wait for them to actually air on the tv at one a day.

Wow, that's a crazy system, clever bastards?!??!?! I guess that's why the quality of the last batch was a touch lower and grainier than the first batch which had "Nightmare in Red", "Prisoner of War".

Also the symbol for the Aussie TV was a tad different in corner it went from a 3 to just a symbol. After that the quality got lower into the 640 range. But where EXACTLY did they really leave off at in Australia?

[Exophagy]

The next new episode is on Monday here (Sunday for US), it's on abc3. The other logo was the abc logo (as in abc1).

[RealIrOnMaN]

Watching Emperor Stark... will give an opinion later.

[venomfangs125]

Wuh-oh. Spoilers incoming. Toodles!!

[r0derix]

No Man of Action anywhere to be seen in Emperor Stark means it was a good episode.

[RealIrOnMaN]

"Now this is entertainment!"

What can I say, Chris Yost did a good job with Emperor Stark: it was really a well-thought and handled episode with some unpredictable elements (which I liked). Vision was obviously the star this time (as expected, the ep. takes place right after the Ultron episode, but before the Yellowjacket one). Yost successfully managed to show all his heroic potential (as well as the android's famous and weird sense of humor) and how Vision tries to find a more peaceful solution to certain problems, even when everything gets out of his hands.

The mind-games along with the brand new villain intrigued me, because it always tend to get into the psychology of the characters and show what they are made of and what are their deepest and honest traits/goals/desires. That's why I was surprised, when the episode didn't go with the Exiles' tyrant Iron Man story route.

Speaking of Iron Man, that was some great character analysis right there. And of course, I was pleasantly surprised, when he had a battle with one avenger (reminded me of the famous Marvel event). The ending is just priceless. All in all, a very satisfying and character-driven episode, that stands out because of its unique features.

[strugler]

Watching Emperor Stark... will give an opinion later.

Where are you guys watching this??? i cant't find it in any of the places i found the others (Pbay, torrent sites etc)

[SlackBrian]

Where are you guys watching this??? i cant't find it in any of the places i found the others (Pbay, torrent sites etc)
I assume he has his own source. The new episodes aren't up on the traditional sites yet, and given what was posted earlier, they might not be until they air on Australian TV. The only reason we got those clusters of episodes all at once was because someone accidentally put them all up on the Australian TV website, which they've since stopped doing.

[strugler]

they might not be until they air on Australian TV. The only reason we got those clusters of episodes all at once was because someone accidentally put them all up on the Australian TV website, which they've since stopped doing.

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

http://memedepot.com/uploads/0/206_noooo.jpg

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Where are you guys watching this??? i cant't find it in any of the places i found the others (Pbay, torrent sites etc)


by the way, don't even MENTION torrent sites... it's a no-no... and a bannable offense, I believe...

I was talking about them a few weeks ago and someone here gave me the high sign about discussing torrent sites as being an offense here...

a question of illegal downloads is what it comes down to...

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

http://memedepot.com/uploads/0/206_noooo.jpg

YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!... :csad: :cmad:

[terry78]

Somebody jacked that poor bird up.

[Arthur Curry]

"Now this is entertainment!"

What can I say, Chris Yost did a good job with Emperor Stark: it was really a well-thought and handled episode with some unpredictable elements (which I liked). Vision was obviously the star this time (as expected, the ep. takes place right after the Ultron episode, but before the Yellowjacket one). Yost successfully managed to show all his heroic potential (as well as the android's famous and weird sense of humor) and how Vision tries to find a more peaceful solution to certain problems, even when everything gets out of his hands.

The mind-games along with the brand new villain intrigued me, because it always tend to get into the psychology of the characters and show what they are made of and what are their deepest and honest traits/goals/desires. That's why I was surprised, when the episode didn't go with the Exiles' tyrant Iron Man story route.

Speaking of Iron Man, that was some great character analysis right there. And of course, I was pleasantly surprised, when he had a battle with one avenger (reminded me of the famous Marvel event). The ending is just priceless. All in all, a very satisfying and character-driven episode, that stands out because of its unique features.

Hahhahah NEVER fails, ol "RIM" always makes us all look like we're still on season 1. He has sources and connections that would make Wilson Fisk jealous! Hook a brother up with a PM..IM!?!??!?!

[Arthur Curry]

"Now this is entertainment!"
Speaking of Iron Man of course, I was pleasantly surprised, when he had a battle with one avenger (reminded me of the famous Marvel event). The ending is just priceless. All in all, a very satisfying and character-driven episode, that stands out because of its unique features.

Can I take a stab at who with a quote from a "CW" battle? Is it the guy that said this to Tony..."DO YOU REALLY THINK I'M GOING DOWN TO A PAMPERED PUNK LIKE YOU!????!?!??!?!?"

[Arthur Curry]

but what can they really do to make it closer? just paint caps wings on and lose hawkeyes costume? they did half of that in EMH already

I've officially decided the painted on wings or no wings don't work at all on any level for Cap's costume. The mask looks completely naked and incomplete without the wings, I can't get my head around it.

I'd much rather have Steve's mask OFF than a mask with painted on wings or no wings.

[Venomfan]

I've officially decided the painted on wings or no wings don't work at all on any level for Cap's costume. The mask looks completely naked and incomplete without the wings, I can't get my head around it.

I'd much rather have Steve's mask OFF than a mask with painted on wings or no wings.
definitely agreed, though no mask isn't cool either

[BigThor]

I still haven't seen "Emperor Stark"....GOTDAMMIT! :argh:

[Sockie]

"(as expected, the ep. takes place right after the Ultron episode, but before the Yellowjacket one)

No, it doesn't. Yellowjacket's an Avenger in this episode. I think the Vision's appearance in "Yellowjacket" was just an animation error.

[bigdaddy313]

can anyone pm me a ink to the new episode

[Hawkingbird]

^ I second that

[BigThor]

I know right, that's what I'm talking about.

[jmaf26]

i found a facebook page where they are the last 5 five episodes, including emperor stark. If somebody wants to see them,please send me a private message and i will share you the link with pleasure

[venomfangs125]

i found a facebook page where they are the last 5 five episodes, including emperor stark. If somebody wants to see them,please send me a private message and i will share you the link with pleasure

Would those be torrents or the actual episodes?

[jmaf26]

Would those be torrents or the actual episodes?
in my link there is this episodes:
-powerless
-assault on 42
-ultron unlimited
-yellowjacket
-emperor stark
is a facebook page, then you download it by mediafire

[Hawkingbird]

My computer didn't support it :o

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

in my link there is this episodes:
-powerless
-assault on 42
-ultron unlimited
-yellowjacket
-emperor stark
is a facebook page, then you download it by mediafire


worked for me... thank you, sir...

[Hawkingbird]

Can't find it anywhere. I hate technology

[jmaf26]

Can't find it anywhere. I hate technology

i gave you a solution, see the pm

[bigdaddy313]

jamf26 thanks for the episode it was deadly man the fights between two different group was kool and i like how they treat thor in season 2 he feels more powerful

[jmaf26]

jamf26 thanks for the episode it was deadly man the fights between two different group was kool and i like how they treat thor in season 2 he feels more powerful

my question is why thor cant beat vision in behold the vision, but in emperor stark thor is much more powerful than vision, i dont understand why

[BigThor]

my question is why thor cant beat vision in behold the vision, but in emperor stark thor is much more powerful than vision, i dont understand why

EMH like to boost characters up in their first appearance, they've been doing so that since season 1 (Cap, Panther, Ms. Marvel etc).

[spider_man_2]

Emperor Stark was A-MAZING! Thank you so much, jmaf26! I think it's quite an accomplishment that Vision was able to hold his own against Thor at least two times throughout. That orbital drop (visual cue from the first Nefaria battle?) was pretty darn impressive!

[Cyclonus]

Emperor Stark was a good episode, can't wait to see the next one.

[venomfangs125]

I like Vision a lot more than I thought I would. Hell, I was sold after 'Behold...The Vision'. Hoping to see more of him in the few episodes we have left.

[Chewy]

lol I like how none of the characters has even brought up the fact that Hulk is just locked up somewhere for doing nothing

Emperor Stark was a fun episode. Nice to see Vision get the spotlight, at least for a bit

[venomfangs125]

EMH like to boost characters up in their first appearance, they've been doing so that since season 1 (Cap, Panther, Ms. Marvel etc).

Yeah...Kinda wish they'd find a power level for their characters and stick with it.

lol I like how none of the characters has even brought up the fact that Hulk is just locked up somewhere for doing nothing

Hence the reason he'll be raging mad when he shows up again.


Emperor Stark was a fun episode. Nice to see Vision get the spotlight, at least for a bit

LOVED his rookie mistake of saying 'that was of minimal dificulty.'

[EvilClareToo]

lol I like how none of the characters has even brought up the fact that Hulk is just locked up somewhere for doing nothing

Emperor Stark was a fun episode. Nice to see Vision get the spotlight, at least for a bit

I know, right? That is going to be one pissed off Hulk in a future episode.

I am finally getting the Vision love among Avengers fans. I really liked him in Emperor Stark.

[BigThor]

"Emperor Stark" was an awesome episode, A:EMH's Vision is MUCH cooler than Martian Manhunter was on JL/JLU. The episode was pretty "Vision" heavy, but alot of the focus was placed on Iron Man and Cap as well (especially Cap).

I must say, the way Thor's power level has been handled in season 2 is how Thor should always be treated imo. It's official that EMH Thor >>> MCU Thor, honestly he was always more powerful but in the first season he was too much of an "oaf".

[Hawkingbird]

Going on this is making me upset....why must it be cancelled...WHY?!

[SaF]

just saw 'emperor stark', wow what an episode! have so much love for the vision, he's great! He got some great lines and hel his own against Thor, for a bit. And I thought Ms Marvel had a rough initiation =) Had some good hawkeye snark in there too.

Although 'purple man'? seriously that is one of the worst names ever...

lol I like how none of the characters has even brought up the fact that Hulk is just locked up somewhere for doing nothing

this except I don't like it, poor Hulk he's going to be so pissed, he's going to be gone for like...12 episodes! Its weird that cap, thor and now him have had big hiatus' from this season (cap gone for 9 eps as skrull cap, thor gone for was it 9 episdoes while he was on Asguard).

mebbe we'll get another thor/hulk fight when they let him out though... that woul be neat ^-^

[BigThor]

Yeah Hulk's gonna be more angry than ever so it also makes sense for there to be another Hulk vs Thor fight.

Also regarding Vision's fight with Thor, I found it cool that Thor shrugged off Vision's orbital drop and was still able to overcome him.

[spider_man_2]

Gotta say, it's rare that any work of fiction makes me laugh out loud these days but Emperor Stark achieved that with Jarvis' "And Captain America is standing right behind you". My Whedon sense was tingling there.

[jmaf26]

i am uploading emperor stark to youtube, if you want to see it,PM

[SlackBrian]

You are going to want to edit that post and remove that link, my friend. It's a major no-no to post links to pirated videos and episodes. Even if it is Youtube.

[jmaf26]

You are going to want to edit that post and remove that link, my friend. It's a major no-no to post links to pirated videos and episodes. Even if it is Youtube.

sorry the law has changed and i supose that we have to get used to her

[RealIrOnMaN]

Code Red is on, let's see what it's all about!

[RealIrOnMaN]

Not a bad episode by the standards of the Man of Action crew, but like most of the EMH episodes lately: it's pretty rushed and short, some things could've been longer (perhaps more developed, at best) and this is precisely why you can't fully enjoy the new interpretation of the Geoff Johns's Red Zone saga.

With that said, it's sad to see this show dealing with some plot points/characters/relationships so fast. I can't get off the feeling that EMH doesn't get the proper treatment it deserves. This is, most likely, the fault of Jeph Loeb and another of his doubtless decisions: to cancel the show, without greenlighting the 3rd Season.

[Anatale]

I Loved "Emperor Stark" episode!Loved all the little things,like iron sentinels,Ms marvel change off hair in one scene,Doom resisting the mental control... I only questioned myself,is Doom dead?I gotta that feeling when i see the scene... the only thing i don't like it is: I gootta the feeling like all the people already have said,episodes too fast.I thing "emperor stark" could been a 2 episode thing... and being on a alternative reality OR stark got to be the "great man" of the world in more time! 30 days? WHAT? I don't get it how Captain America is been mind control considering he is the moral person itself...maybe a little of himself have a totalitarist design too?
Oh,and another thing,people would hate Stark now.In the real world at least... how after all the world being mental controled the people gonna let stark continue with all this power and tech?
Waiting for Code Red were!Hope to see Cap get his great moment again! :D

[Arthur Curry]

Not a bad episode by the standards of the Man of Action crew, but like most of the EMH episodes lately: it's pretty rushed and short, some things could've been longer (perhaps more developed, at best) and this is precisely why you can't fully enjoy the new interpretation of the Geoff Johns's Red Zone saga.

With that said, it's sad to see this show dealing with some plot points/characters/relationships so fast. I can't get off the feeling that EMH doesn't get the proper treatment it deserves. This is, most likely, the fault of Jeph Loeb and another of his doubtless decisions: to cancel the show, without greenlighting the 3rd Season.

"RIM" would you say that "Code Red" spills into "Winter Soldier" somewhat making that a 2 parter? Those 2 eps would appear to be synonymous at least. The Geoff Johns storyline is like 4 or 5 issues I think, so only 1 episode based on it would have to be super rushed.

How much play do Falcon and Winter Soldier get in this one?

[venomfangs125]

"RIM" would say that "Red Zone" spills into "Winter Soldier" somewhat making that a 2 parter? Those 2 eps would appear to be synonymous at least. The Geoff Johns storyline is like 4 or 5 issues I think, so only 1 episode based on it would have to be super rushed.

How much play do Falcon and Winter Soldier get in this one?

A decent amount actually. Hawkeye gets a rematch with Falcon and Winter Soldier...He has a pretty important role in the episode.

Though I was disappointed at the lack of YJ and Vision. Vision in particular would've been helpful in this ep. and Yellowjacket, I'm not necessarily sure what to make of just yet.

[Anatale]

I discovered a Graphic Novel called "Emperor doom" where doom used "purple man" powers to rule all the world.Someone here have already read it? It seems the ep made a tribute more to this story then to "emperor stark" one...

[spider_man_2]

I discovered a Graphic Novel called "Emperor doom" where doom used "purple man" powers to rule all the world.Someone here have already read it? It seems the ep made a tribute more to this story then to "emperor stark" one...

Indeed it is. They even threw a Doom cameo in there.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Not a bad episode by the standards of the Man of Action crew, but like most of the EMH episodes lately: it's pretty rushed and short, some things could've been longer (perhaps more developed, at best) and this is precisely why you can't fully enjoy the new interpretation of the Geoff Johns's Red Zone saga.

With that said, it's sad to see this show dealing with some plot points/characters/relationships so fast. I can't get off the feeling that EMH doesn't get the proper treatment it deserves. This is, most likely, the fault of Jeph Loeb and another of his doubtless decisions: to cancel the show, without greenlighting the 3rd Season.

Yeah, it really felt like they skipped a lot of potential storylines. The Dell Rusk deal could have made for a nice arc of the Avengers vs. the Government, and could have planted more seeds of the Civil War. And Falcon and Samson redeeming themselves after that would have been fun to see, rather than just a clumsy line explaining that they were in mind control.

[bigdaddy313]

At least Bigthor should be happy with the outcome between Thor and the Red Hulk

[spider_man_2]

Is Code Red online already?

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Is Code Red online already?


since this morning...

[venomfangs125]

^^^Here's hoping Winter Soldier will be uploaded just as fast.

[spider_man_2]

since this morning...

It's not up on my usual place. Can I get a little help via PM? Thanks in advance.

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

^^^Here's hoping Winter Soldier will be uploaded just as fast.


should be a good one...

[Chewy]

Ok ep but, again, rushed.

Will probably be a recurring theme with these last 6, too

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Ok ep but, again, rushed.

Will probably be a recurring theme with these last 6, too


agreed... not bad really but not great...

it could've been worse...

[jmaf26]

i think that this episode is good only because the battle of red hulk and thor...

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

i think that this episode is good only because the battle of red hulk and thor...


yeah, that WAS a pretty good throwdown between the two of them...