Justice League: News and Speculation

[Blackman]

Seems a bit soon for this forum but post news and such

[flickchick85]

Yeah I figured they'd at least wait for a greenlight.

[Blackman]

or get a director. I mean Ant-Man deserves one if JL is getting one already

[flickchick85]

Agreed, Ant-Man seems further along than this. But since this is here, might as well post the story:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170953-warner-bros-makes-justice-league-plans

Warner Bros. is making some plans towards the long-awaited Justice League (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=36577) feature film as Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118055082.html?cmpid=RSS%7CNews%7CLatestNews&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) reports that Gangster Squad (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=70265) screenwriter Will Beall has been brought aboard to provide the screenplay.

Details at this point are currently few, but the enormous success of Marvel's The Avengers no doubt helped pave the way for getting the Distinguished Competition's superhero ensemble a shot at the silver screen.

What remains to be seen is whether or not Warner's film will use any of their standalone superhero projects as jumping off points, building a cohesive cinematic universe the way that Marvel has. It's been hinted that Christopher Nolan's upcoming The Dark Knight Rises (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=63112) will feature a definitive ending for the current version of the big screen Batman character, though Christian Bale has recently suggested (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170799-christian-bale-doesnt-rule-out-fourth-batman) that he's not entirely against the notion of further adventures in the cape and cowl.

Next summer's Man of Steel (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=63615), however, marks a more likely contender to launch an ongoing big screen universe and it's entirely possible that, despite a disappointing box office, last summer's take on Green Lantern couldn't be brought back.

The other possibility is that Warner Bros. might start from scratch, as was the plan several years ago when George Miller was attached to direct a motion-capture Justice League feature.

Hopefully they can aim higher than they were with JL: Mortal this time, because that sounded terrible.

[craigdbfan]

Well Justice League is a big property so it's understandable that it got a section regardless of it being in the early stages of development.

I don't see a problem with it.

[Anno_Domini]

No...just no :csad:

[Iceman]

There's a hell of a lot more to discuss on Justice League than on your average hero forum BUT it's going to look silly if the movie doesn't get made :woot:

[Tony Stark]

There's a hell of a lot more to discuss on Justice League than on your average hero forum BUT it's going to look silly if the movie doesn't get made :woot:

Kinda like when we had a forum section for Justice League back in 2007.

[The Infernal]

They say it's not in reaction to the Avengers, which may be true, but good luck convincing people that it doesn't look like exactly that.

Anyway, I just hope that JLA is a great film too. I've always been interested in the possibility of seeing Batman, Superman and Wonderwoman in a JLA film. I expect they'll probably be going with different interpretations of Batman and Superman, which should be interesting to see.

[Bruce_Begins]

If WB want Superman to be a part of this, then they would like to set this in motion before 2013 ends, after that they will have to wait for the outcome of the legal rights case, as they will not have full control over Superman property (I am not really expert on this matter but this is what most people are saying.)

[Bruce_Begins]

hey say it's not in reaction to the Avengers, which may be true, but good luck convincing people that it doesn't look like exactly that.

So, what ? They are not getting the characters who are copies of Iron-Man, Hulk, Captain America, Thor, Nick Fury, Hawkeye, Black Widow.

[RoughNTumble]

so I haven't heard very impressive things about the writer

tbqh

[chamber-music]

I would wait until the movie is greenlighted before getting excited yet because its not the first time Warner Bros have hired a scriptwriter and the project hasn't got off the ground.

[EML420]

Im really wondering how this is going to go down will it step on the toes of the Batman reboot (if there is going to be one) and MOS or will it be its own thing.

[RoughNTumble]

Im really wondering how this is going to go down will it step on the toes of the Batman reboot (if there is going to be one) and MOS or will it be its own thing.

If I had to bet, I'd say they would try to tie it in with man of steel, a batman reboot, and bring in john stewart while not contradicting green lantern 2011.

[craigdbfan]

Personally I think a standalone JL is a horrible idea. Especially as WB intends to have separate iterations of these characters running simultaneously. That seems so unnecessarily messy.

I don't think this is going to work out well. This is like a big school project that spans for an entire year. Kid (A) studies his ass off for this giant project and puts in a ton of effort into getting an A and then it pays off with his final assignment stunning his teachers.

While kid (B) slacks off and procrastinates for months and the day before turns in a steaming pile.

To WB credit it has produced some great (classic) standalone movies (Batman 89/Returns, Superman, Batman Begins, TDK) but something like the Justice League would require a much more cohesive and dedicated effort that they seemingly don't even want to do. If you're not willing to go the full mile then don't even bother.

I wish them the best but this project the way it's being carried out as of now doesn't sit well with me.

[RoughNTumble]

WB is skipping the foreplay tbqh

[EML420]

Lol well if there not going for the solo movies I imagine JL being a triliogy and before the Avengers was the idea of solo movies leading up to the team movie a idea that people took seriously?

[craigdbfan]

I took their attempt seriously. I saw that there was potential and it looks like it more than paid off.

[The Infernal]

So, what ? They are not getting the characters who are copies of Iron-Man, Hulk, Captain America, Thor, Nick Fury, Hawkeye, Black Widow.

It's not a dig. Calm down and un-bunch your knickers. :oldrazz: I'm just saying it does look reactionary despite their claim. I mean who cares if the film is good?

If I had to bet, I'd say they would try to tie it in with man of steel, a batman reboot, and bring in john stewart while not contradicting green lantern 2011.

It might be better if they don't worry about that and just go ahead with a separate interpretation of Hal Jordan. It's not like they're likely to have Christian Bale's Batman or Henry Cavil's Superman as part of the movie, those characters will more than likely be new takes on those characters. Even with a Batman reboot, I don't see them changing their tune with MoS and suddenly try and tie that in.

[Chewy]

lol @ the JL forums being brought back over this particular news item

There's a saying about fooling me twice

[RoughNTumble]

post-avengers it's not a matter of if, just logistics

[EML420]

I dont know how long they have been trying to get a JL movie made but I would think that even from the sucess that the X men movies had they would look at the idea again and I know the X men movies and JL are not the same but the basic idea of a team movie doing good is what im getting at so WB trying to get it going again really might not have any thing to do with with TA.

[The Infernal]

lol @ the JL forums being brought back over this particular news item

There's a saying about fooling me twice

Ooh, I know this one.

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/George-W-Bush.jpg

:oldrazz:

[flickchick85]

If they aren't gonna do solo films for all the major players, I wish they'd at least take their time and do a World's Finest film first, then have the sequel be the Justice League. In between those two would be the perfect time for a Wonder Woman film, imo.

[LostSon88]

If I had to bet, I'd say they would try to tie it in with man of steel, a batman reboot, and bring in john stewart while not contradicting green lantern 2011.

One could argue they could do a 'reverse' Marvel Studios and use the JL film to introduce the new rebooted Batman (actor-wise at least), only to then afterwards begin with production on a solo film. Same with WW.

I think they could still use Reynolds as Hal.

But I think clearly, just as how Iron Man was in a way the most popular Avenger going into "The Avengers", Superman (Henry Cavill) will definitely be the most predominant figure of the entire film given he'll have had his solo film released and the fact that Superman is the official leader of the JL.

Having said that, this movie sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen.

[RoughNTumble]

One could argue they could do a 'reverse' Marvel Studios and use the JL film to introduce the new rebooted Batman (actor-wise at least), only to then afterwards begin with production on a solo film. Same with WW.

I think they could still use Reynolds as Hal.

But I think clearly, just as how Iron Man was in a way the most popular Avenger going into "The Avengers", Superman (Henry Cavill) will definitely be the most predominant figure of the entire film given he'll have had his solo film released and the fact that Superman is the official leader of the JL.

Having said that, this movie sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Honestly I don't think the spinoff approach would be anywhere near as effective as the team up approach.

Harder to draw in big names for your movie

much riskier if the movie falls flat

if the movie makes one or two of the heroes look bad, then it would be a lot harder to sell the GA on their solo movie, even if that solo movie kicks ass

[Antonello Blueberry]

It's not like Chris Hemsowrth was a household name before Thor. Anyone would go to see a movie with Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Batman in it, at least hoping it would be as cool as the Avengers.
Even with a new Batman. People bought three different Banners without a blink.

[RoughNTumble]

hemsworth worked out, but it's important to have that 'tony stark' who can bring greater credibility to the whole cast

I don't believe avengers would have been nearly as successful had that not nailed at least that one piece of casting

[hopefuldreamer]

hemsworth worked out, but it's important to have that 'tony stark' who can bring greater credibility to the whole cast

I don't believe avengers would have been nearly as successful had that not nailed at least that one piece of casting

I completely agree.

The trouble is, which character do you give that much focus? And what actor could pull off something similar where they literally own that character completely. Like the character is just an extension of their own style/on screen personality.

Very few actors in hollywood have that presence, and even fewer (if any) seem like a perfect fit for any of the JL.

[Mig-El]

Finally a Justice League forum!!

http://thumbnails71.imagebam.com/19443/ee3f24194425111.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/ee3f24194425111)

[BigSams50]

I completely agree.

The trouble is, which character do you give that much focus? And what actor could pull off something similar where they literally own that character completely. Like the character is just an extension of their own style/on screen personality.

Very few actors in hollywood have that presence, and even fewer (if any) seem like a perfect fit for any of the JL.

If Nolan and Bale would be willing to do it, then they could focus on Batman like they did IM for the Avengers imo

[Ursa]

If Nolan and Bale would be willing to do it, then they could focus on Batman like they did IM for the Avengers imo

Agreed.


Depends on how TDKR ends...they could use Bales's Batman as the creator of the League, he'd be older than the other heroes, like he was the first one.

I prefer to see Bale and Cavill than parallels versions.

[Casius--J]

I think the biggest difference with JL is that the core team consists of DC's most popular characters. Where as at the time The Avengers characters weren't as popular as the their other properties e.g Spider-Man and X-Men.

So I think there is less need to have solo movies first building up the JL movie as what Marvel did. Ideally I would like at least one or two characters being established previously but I don't think its vital at this point.

The only thing that concerns me is consistency, I would rather them keep their characters in a shared universe than have multiple actors playing the same roles in different movies.

[samsnee]

I agree that the best way for DC to do this is the anti-Marvel approach, which is use JL to launch solo franchises. Batman and Superman in a movie together is enough to get people in the seats. But you can't shortchange the other heroes if you want the audience to be interested enough in seeing them in a solo film.

[hopefuldreamer]

If Nolan and Bale would be willing to do it, then they could focus on Batman like they did IM for the Avengers imo

I think the likelihood of a JL movie featuring Bale as Batman is very very low.

And also, TBH, if you give Batman this huge importance in the JL and it's creation, and you cast an actor whose screen presence is as strong as RDJ's... Well you're pretty much gonna continue pissing off fans of all the other DC characters, most prominently Superman, who have been taking a back seat to Batman's popularity for way too long now.

I mean, I'm not a fool, I know he'll have a lot of screen time in any team up movie because of that popularity.

But in the same way that Avengers was careful to still make it somewhat clear that CA was the leader of the group, Superman can't just be one of Batman's 'recruits' if you know what I mean.

That's why I'd have prefered a World's Finest first. Have Superman and Batman meet, team up, discover the benefits of another hero having your back, and begin the JL, together.

[Bruce_Begins]

From my post at MOS forums

Not all JL characters need a solo movies, for example Nick Fury, Hawkeye and Black Widow did not get their own solo movies, they were just introduced.

Hulk got two different solo movies, but were they really needed ? Because nothing from Hulk movies was carried forward in the Avengers (except vague references to other Marvel charactes).

Superman is already getting a reboot treatment, Batman will surely get another relaunch, Green Lantern has got a live action movie (WB will not reboot GL so soon) people have to accept that.

If WB make a Wonder Woman and Flash movie before Justice League movie then fine, If they don't then I would not be complaining, they could always get their own solo movies as a spinoff from JL.

They cannot make JL movie before 2014, so Batman can be relaunched, I expect WB to cast some known actor but who is young as Batman.

[BigSams50]

From my post at MOS forums



They cannot make JL movie before 2014, so Batman can be relaunched, I expect WB to cast some known actor but who is young as Batman.

But wasnt Black Widow introduced in IM2, and Hawkeye in Thor?

[riprat]

I think this can work without build up as long as the Director understands comics and characters. Couple of things, Have Wonder Woman refer to herself as simply Diana, Wonder Woman may be a media catchphrase for her. She's not fond of it. Aquaman is simply Arthur, no A insignia on belt, and I would go the long haired bearded version with Atlantian Armour, haughty and arrogant like a real king. I would definately go for the John Stewart GL. Marine background. Of course Cavill as Superman, Bale if he wants to for Batman. But it has to be the uber Bats, and he has to build a battle suit for climax. Regular suit should be beefed up, Vision and communications devices in cowl,and gadgets, gadgets, gagets. Flash needs to match the current one in the new 52. I like the design on the Martian Manhunter that has been posted as a fan made movie poster... That's all for now. Oh and hopefully Superman is depowered a bit in Man of Steel. Not able to move planets, travel thru time, breathe in space etc. We have to see him work for his fights and bleed and bruise...

[Tony Stark]

so I haven't heard very impressive things about the writer

tbqh

He's a noob for sure, but Castle is a good show. The script means little as Zak Penn is credited as a writer on Avengers when really none of his script was used (remember Hawkeye being the guy brought on to control the Hulk?).

That's why starting this thread is a bit of a joke until there's a director tied to the project.

The whole announcement is way too soon, and really makes Warner look like a bunch of douche heads doing this right before a major advertising campaign launch for TDKR.

They should have waited until 2013 for any kind of big announcement to let the Avengers buzz die down.

[riprat]

Flash: (to GL) I thought you were white?
GL(Stewart): Some of us are even purple, orange. They're a lot of us.
Flash: But the Green Lantern for earth... I've seen news footage.
GL: Actually, we each patrol a sector of space, not just earth and our blue bosses decided with all the activity in this sector we deserved more then one Green Lantern. With all the ***** going on, don't you agree?
Flash: I think you have a good point.
Both continue on with epic battle...

[Bruce_Begins]

But wasnt Black Widow introduced in IM2, and Hawkeye in Thor?


That's the point, they were just introduced. WB have introduced Amanda Waller in GL movie, they can introduce someone (supporting character like inspector John Jones aka Martian Manhunter in human form) in MOS.

Or characters such as WW and Flash can be introduced in a JL movie itself.

[Juicy J]

As much as I want to see a Justice League movie done properly, I feel as if WB is stuck between a rock and a hard place at this point. Outside of Batman they haven't been able to properly handle one of their comic franchises for years. After the atrocity that was GL I just don't really have faith in them. I hope to change my tune once Man of Steel comes out, as I would love to see a well made Superman movie more than anything but that one doesn't have me feeling particularly hopeful TBH.
I'd like to have faith in them but considering their track record, I'm not sure they can get their stuff together in time to make a film of this magnitude.

[Tony Stark]

As much as I want to see a Justice League movie done properly, I feel as if WB is stuck between a rock and a hard place at this point. Outside of Batman they haven't been able to properly handle one of their comic franchises for years. After the atrocity that was GL I just don't really have faith in them. I hope to change my tune once Man of Steel comes out, as I would love to see a well made Superman movie more than anything but that one doesn't have me feeling particularly hopeful TBH.
I'd like to have faith in them but considering their track record, I'm not sure they can get their stuff together in time to make a film of this magnitude.

MOS looks pretty good from what I've seen, and we're getting the much needed retelling of the story, instead of the disastrous pseudo sequel we got in Returns.

But you're right not to trust them. They've not delivered on multiple occasions, multiple projects started and scrapped. Hell they'd spent over 100M on Superman Returns before Singer even showed up to work and almost none of it was used.

We knew eventually WB would make a JL movie, but the timing of this just smacks of desperation when they should be getting people amped for TDKR.

[Motown Marvel]

Where the hell did they pull this writer from? it's not a very encouraging choice.

[Tony Stark]

Where the hell did they pull this writer from? it's not a very encouraging choice.

Like I say, don't worry about the writer. That's why I bring up the Zak Penn analogy. Until there's a director tied to the project none of this means anything other than WB trying to grab some attention away from Marvel.

[JAK®]

They should base the plot off of Grant Morrison's initial JLA story arc back in 1997.

[Juicy J]

We knew eventually WB would make a JL movie, but the timing of this just smacks of desperation when they should be getting people amped for TDKR.

This was another thing I was gonna bring up: this smells like a blatant cash grab.
Putting all this into effect a month after the Avengers comes out seems, as you said, desperate.
Here's to hoping that when it comes out (whether that's in 4 years or 20 years) it'll be worth the wait.

[Kal-El.9859]

has anyone seen this crap?? This website will post anything...
http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/superman-man-steel-starring-henry-cavill-spearhead-shared-universe-leading-justice-league-mo

[TheIrishAvenger]

Created a Fan Art/Manip thread and a fan-made trailer thread...

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=385745

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=385747

[The Guard]

This was another thing I was gonna bring up: this smells like a blatant cash grab.

WB makes movies to make money. It's a movie studio.

[riprat]

Here's a quote from Mark Millar who has a friend who is the friend of the screen writer, (yes, friend of a friend, I know)
"His take on the team is incredible. Very real-world and not at all what you might expect. WB has a chequered history with their superhero characters. They're great with their boy wizards, but less consistent with their DC stable. But my chum said that this could be a thing of beauty and has been in the works for a little while now, not just an Avengers knock-off. Best of luck to them. The tidbits I heard sound quite dark and mature, which isn't what I expected. But word on Gangster Squad is great too so I feel this is in really good hands"

[Kal-El.9859]

Here's a quote from Mark Millar who has a friend who is the friend of the screen writer, (yes, friend of a friend, I know)
"His take on the team is incredible. Very real-world and not at all what you might expect. WB has a chequered history with their superhero characters. They're great with their boy wizards, but less consistent with their DC stable. But my chum said that this could be a thing of beauty and has been in the works for a little while now, not just an Avengers knock-off. Best of luck to them. The tidbits I heard sound quite dark and mature, which isn't what I expected. But word on Gangster Squad is great too so I feel this is in really good hands"

yeah Mark Millar is about as trustworthy as the Joker

[Tony Stark]

has anyone seen this crap?? This website will post anything...
http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/superman-man-steel-starring-henry-cavill-spearhead-shared-universe-leading-justice-league-mo

CBN is so full of crap. If by "news" they mean "fanboy gossip" then yeah it's a great site for that.

[Kal-El.9859]

CBN is so full of crap. If by "news" they mean "fanboy gossip" then yeah it's a great site for that.

yeah pretty much...I'll believe it when I see it

[HighFivingMF]

Here's a quote from Mark Millar who has a friend who is the friend of the screen writer, (yes, friend of a friend, I know)
"His take on the team is incredible. Very real-world and not at all what you might expect. WB has a chequered history with their superhero characters. They're great with their boy wizards, but less consistent with their DC stable. But my chum said that this could be a thing of beauty and has been in the works for a little while now, not just an Avengers knock-off. Best of luck to them. The tidbits I heard sound quite dark and mature, which isn't what I expected. But word on Gangster Squad is great too so I feel this is in really good hands"

When Mark Millar says something, I assume the opposite. So the screenplay is probably just a bunch of drool-stained crayon scribbles. :o

[riprat]

I don't know much about CBN but aintitcool is overwhelmingly negative about Justice League in its talk back, course they are negative about most everthing... I would love for Justice League to work, but there are so many variables and hurdles... script, casting, director's vision... Yikes!

[Kal-El.9859]

I don't know much about CBN but aintitcool is overwhelmingly negative about Justice League in its talk back, course they are negative about most everthing... I would love for Justice League to work, but there are so many variables and hurdles... script, casting, director's vision... Yikes!

I never go to AICN because they are just a bunch of assclowns. Like you said, almost always negative. I don't want to hear their *****ing and moaning

[Tony Stark]

I don't know much about CBN but aintitcool is overwhelmingly negative about Justice League in its talk back, course they are negative about most everthing... I would love for Justice League to work, but there are so many variables and hurdles... script, casting, director's vision... Yikes!

Well they are going to get negative feedback because despite whatever the truth is, perception is reality, and the perception that this is totally reactionary to Avengers. Their best bet would have been to wait until 2013 or so for any kind of official announcement. They could have gone forward with script development, but for pete sake we don't have the name of a producer or a director and all of a sudden this is greenlit?

[Tony Stark]

I never go to AICN because they are just a bunch of assclowns. Like you said, almost always negative. I don't want to hear their *****ing and moaning

Total assclowns, I haven't been on that site in nearly 10 years. Well the last time I can remember reading something on there was Harry gushing over Attack of the Clones and how great it was to see Yoda whipping out his little green lightsaber. I personally thought the movie sucked.

[HighFivingMF]

Well they are going to get negative feedback because despite whatever the truth is, perception is reality, and the perception that this is totally reactionary to Avengers. Their best bet would have been to wait until 2013 or so for any kind of official announcement. They could have gone forward with script development, but for pete sake we don't have the name of a producer or a director and all of a sudden this is greenlit?

They didn't make an official announcement though...

[riprat]

Ok, I'm not as smart as all of you on the Hollywood procedure with this, but has this been greenlit? To my understanding they just announced they had a writer tackle a script, or am I missing some news? Thanks, for any clarification you might have.

[DoomsdayApex]

I'll be honest, I'm not uber-excited about this announcement. However, all those anxious emotions could vanish or explode depending on the selection process involving the director, writers and cast.

[Kal-El.9859]

Total assclowns, I haven't been on that site in nearly 10 years. Well the last time I can remember reading something on there was Harry gushing over Attack of the Clones and how great it was to see Yoda whipping out his little green lightsaber. I personally thought the movie sucked.

The only tolerable movie out of that trilogy was Revenge of The Sith. Harry is too smug and "know it all"-ie for me. I can't even recall the last time I went to that site...I'm not gonna struggle to remember either. I had forgotten all about it actually until it was mentioned here...

[Llama_Shepherd]

Ok, I'm not as smart as all of you on the Hollywood procedure with this, but has this been greenlit? To my understanding they just announced they had a writer tackle a script, or am I missing some news? Thanks, for any clarification you might have.

AS of yet, no, the movie hasn't been green lit. Scripting is the first, cheapest and easiest stage of making a film. Hell, there are scripts for Green Lantern 2&3, doesn't mean they'll ever see the light of day.

[gkokujin]

so what happens if the movie isn't green lit?

will this forum vanish?

[Llama_Shepherd]

That's what happened to the Justice League: Mortal section.

[The Question]

The problem with a League movie is that it faces all the challenges the Avengers faced, in addition to having to not seem too much like The Avengers.

This isn't going to be easy.

Really, I think the smartest thing they could do is start a little more in medias res. Like, they're in an established super hero world, and some of the characters at least kind of know each other already (like Batman and Superman). Treat it like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, a film set in an alternate world that takes that world seriously and portrays how that world works with the differences it has from ours somewhat realistically. Less "Our World, but now there's super heroes" like The Avengers did it, but more "A world where there have been super heroes for a while and it as significantly changed how things work, but at the core life is still life and there are strong parallels to our world."

I think that would make for a very different feel and also call for different approaches to the story right off the bat. Plus, if you go with that angle enough then you might not have to set things up in other movies first.

Then, of course, the League forms around whatever the plot is, this time without the involvement of the government. Like, maybe it's Batman or Superman or Green Arrow (or some combination of the three) who bring them together. The government should probably be a factor, but more like an outside force they have to deal with.

[solidsnake86]

He's a noob for sure, but Castle is a good show. The script means little as Zak Penn is credited as a writer on Avengers when really none of his script was used (remember Hawkeye being the guy brought on to control the Hulk?).

That's why starting this thread is a bit of a joke until there's a director tied to the project.

The whole announcement is way too soon, and really makes Warner look like a bunch of douche heads doing this right before a major advertising campaign launch for TDKR.

They should have waited until 2013 for any kind of big announcement to let the Avengers buzz die down.

Wasn't his script for gangster squad on the blacklist, which is supposed to be a list of the best film scripts that didn't go into production or something?

[LostSon88]

Here's a quote from Mark Millar who has a friend who is the friend of the screen writer, (yes, friend of a friend, I know)
"His take on the team is incredible. Very real-world and not at all what you might expect. WB has a chequered history with their superhero characters. They're great with their boy wizards, but less consistent with their DC stable. But my chum said that this could be a thing of beauty and has been in the works for a little while now, not just an Avengers knock-off. Best of luck to them. The tidbits I heard sound quite dark and mature, which isn't what I expected. But word on Gangster Squad is great too so I feel this is in really good hands"

Mark Millar talks too much.

[Rockstar]

Too little too late Warner Bros.

Justice League is going to look like a pale imitation, especially after Avengers II in 2015 with Thanos.

[LostSon88]

Lol. I imagine them trying to stick it to Marvel and have Darkseid right off the bat...before A2 with Thanos.

[Rockstar]

It would be impossible though.

How could they rush this into production for 2014 when they're only in the early scripting stages now? That's a mere two years from now.

Hard to believe we're in the midst of summer 2012.


2015 is the earliest and that's the year of Avengers II.

[LostSon88]

A2 likely will be bumped until 16'.

13' is Iron Man 3 and Thor.
14' is Captain America 2.
15' is (speculating) Hulk

Also keep in mind that Joss Whedon has stated numerous times that he needs a break. If they were to shoot for 15' they'd have to get the ball rolling on A2 very soon.

2016 seems more likely.

[LostSon88]

I still say the WB should start "small" with a Worlds Finest film teaming up just Superman and Batman.

THEN build on that to an eventual JL movie.

Frankly, id be more hyped for a Bat and Supes team up film than a JL one right now.

[Rockstar]

A2 likely will be bumped until 16'.

13' is Iron Man 3 and Thor.
14' is Captain America 2.
15' is (speculating) Hulk

Also keep in mind that Joss Whedon has stated numerous times that he needs a break. If they were to shoot for 15' they'd have to get the ball rolling on A2 very soon.

2016 seems more likely.


Didn't Kevin Feige already confirm 2015 for Avengers II?


Seems to be the word on the Marvel forums.


The sequel is already greenlit and in development now.

[Tony Stark]

A2 likely will be bumped until 16'.

13' is Iron Man 3 and Thor.
14' is Captain America 2.
15' is (speculating) Hulk

Also keep in mind that Joss Whedon has stated numerous times that he needs a break. If they were to shoot for 15' they'd have to get the ball rolling on A2 very soon.

2016 seems more likely.

No way. Feige said there's no plans for Hulk right now. A2 will be 2015, you can pretty much take it to the bank.

[Tony Stark]

Also it should be noted that Marvel doesn't wait 4 years between sequels.......well except for Ghost Rider but I don't really count that.

[solidsnake86]

Avengers made them a ton of money, it would be silly to delay it past 2015 just to get another solo film in there that wont make 10% of what that film has made. Movie making is a business at the end of the day.

[LostSon88]

Something's gotta give...I just can't see WB wanting to go against Marvel the same year.

Justice League AND Avengers 2 in the same summer? That's crazy.

[solidsnake86]

4 years ago could you see avengers wanting to go against the dark knight?

If the film is good who cares if they are in the same year. But this is all talk anyways because until they hire a director this is nothing more than a pr stunt to get more press for batman.

[M-2]

I still say the WB should start "small" with a Worlds Finest film teaming up just Superman and Batman.

THEN build on that to an eventual JL movie.

Frankly, id be more hyped for a Bat and Supes team up film than a JL one right now.

We think alike!! Can't someone make a poll, because I'm sure everybody would rather be more optimistic about a Superman and Batman Film than JL.

The truth is that's all everybody really want to see!! I would prefer if DC's first attempt at JL, is a trinity film (Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman).

Where the film picks with Wonder Woman entering this world where Superman and Batman rain supreme... And tell the story more from Wonder Woman's view, because essentially as she discovers this world, so will the audience be seeing a world with Bats and Supes together in it for the first time.

And the whole world knows Supes and Bats origins story, but General Audiences will only know Wonder Woman by name, so telling a story that's a little more from her view will allow GA's to get more firmiliar with her while setting her up as a hero that demands the same respect as Bats and Supes.

If that film works out, then the next film should be JL, with those 3 deciding on the other members

[az824]

I would rather see a trinity film too, worlds finest would seem redundant with so many batman and superman films, it needs someone to freshen it up. And Diana would be a natural choice

[Rockstar]

Wonder Woman is needed.. for the posters.

http://www.sugarbang.com/storage/superheroes_posed.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION= 1336678474560

[sethypants]

Ohhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyy godddddddddddddd

[Iceman]

4 years ago could you see avengers wanting to go against the dark knight?

If the film is good who cares if they are in the same year. But this is all talk anyways because until they hire a director this is nothing more than a pr stunt to get more press for batman.JL & Avengers are way too similar though. Avengers & TDK while both being superhero films are very different in both concept and tone.

[J.Howlett]

4 years ago could you see avengers wanting to go against the dark knight?

If the film is good who cares if they are in the same year. But this is all talk anyways because until they hire a director this is nothing more than a pr stunt to get more press for batman.

Because of the obscene amount of money Avengers made, this isn't a PR stunt for WB. This film will happen. We just don't know how it'll happen in the wake of how Marvel set things up.

[J.Howlett]

Honestly, all a JL film needs is a massive prologue, told in voice over and montage (like the Fellowship of the Ring prologue) that sets up the world, the mythos, the threat of the story, and a brief snippet about needing heroes of a different sort in order to get the world up and running without having to do solo lead up films to get to the JL film.

[J.Howlett]

As a novice to the rich history of comics, can someone explain to me how Batman fits into this world of the Justice League, a world of super beings?

[Maximus]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91071

Wonder Woman film getting a writer...

Haven't seen anyone talking about this; at the very least, it looks like WB may be trying to get MOS and a WW film out before JL.

[hopefuldreamer]

Does anyone else think the fact they've chosen the GL writer is any indicator that perhaps the GL franchise isn't as dead as we thought.

I mean, if they saw the whole thing as such a big mess, why would they trust the next DC project to the exact same writer?

[sethypants]

Does anyone else think the fact they've chosen the GL writer is any indicator that perhaps the GL franchise isn't as dead as we thought.

I mean, if they saw the whole thing as such a big mess, why would they trust the next DC project to the exact same writer?

Is it really the script? The script followed alot to the comic books. There seems to be more corporate decisions and I blame the director a little bit more for the underperformance. But I didnt think the show was bad.

[Iceman]

I would rather see a trinity film too, worlds finest would seem redundant with so many batman and superman films, it needs someone to freshen it up. And Diana would be a natural choiceActually I wouldn't mind that. Would be a good precursor to Justice League and wouldn't suffer for Avengers comparisons so much. I think it'd be an easier thing for the public to get behind rather than 7/8 heroes of which a fair few are brand new.

[Bruce_Begins]

Does anyone else think the fact they've chosen the GL writer is any indicator that perhaps the GL franchise isn't as dead as we thought.

I mean, if they saw the whole thing as such a big mess, why would they trust the next DC project to the exact same writer?

Green lantern movie's script was originally written by three writers -Greg Berlanti, Michael Green and Marc Guggenheim which was rewritten by Michael Goldenberg.

Goldenberg previous works includes writing screenplays for movies such as Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Peter Pan and Contact.

GL's script suffered from uneven tone which could have been due to inclusion of as many as four different writers not to mention Geoff Johns involvement and then you have WB studio execs interference in it.

[Llama_Shepherd]

And then of course not to mention that around a third of the film was cut out due to budgetary restraints and we end up with the turd of a film we got. Goldenberg is not a bad writer, but WB, ended up giving us a bad movie because they wouldn't let people go about their business.


As a novice to the rich history of comics, can someone explain to me how Batman fits into this world of the Justice League, a world of super beings?


In the comics? Very naturally. He always has, but that is because he has enemies like Clayface who, can change his appearance and, as his name suggests, made from clay. But Nolan's Batman would be a whole new ballgame to try and incorporate into Justice League.


http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91071

Wonder Woman film getting a writer...

Haven't seen anyone talking about this; at the very least, it looks like WB may be trying to get MOS and a WW film out before JL.

Man of Steel is definitely coming out before Justice League. Wonder Woman could still go either way, I'm still not expecting this Justice League movie for half a decade.

[Brawl]

The GL movie sucked due a bunch of reasons.



The script was piss poor and all over the place.
Ryan R. total wrong choice for a GL. He's more for comedies than a serious Superhero role.
Both villains were handled terribly. Parrellax was beaten by the sun? really? and of all the GL rouge gallery Hector Hammond would not have been my first choice for 1st GL movie. Honestly I would have rather saw the Manhunters as the main villain in the GL movie.

As far as the JLA i hope its made and from what it looks like it probably will.


http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118055082.html?cmpid=RSS|News|LatestNews&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Bruce_Begins]

I think that WB will be a LOT more cautious before green lighting a Justice League movie due to the sheer hype associated with the movie project, The budget which will be more than 250 million, The competition with Marvel / Disney.

I think that chances of Wonder Woman movie happening are more than a JL movie right now, even Flash can happen before JL does.

I would want WB to make a World's Finest movie or a Trinity movie before JL movie.

[sethypants]

I think that WB will be a LOT more cautious before green lighting a Justice League movie due to the sheer hype associated with the movie project, The budget which will be more than 250 million, The competition with Marvel / Disney.

I think that chances of Wonder Woman movie happening are more than a JL movie right now, even Flash can happen before JL does.

I would want WB to make a World's Finest movie or a Trinity movie before JL movie.

I doubt we'll get that many lead ins. I think the only film that should lead into JL is MOS.
Then we can have WW as a spin off.
However, I don't think WW is a good idea. I would rather have a flash film.

[Tony Stark]

Something's gotta give...I just can't see WB wanting to go against Marvel the same year.

Justice League AND Avengers 2 in the same summer? That's crazy.

You're saying that like Avengers would move because of Justice Leauge????

not going to happen.

[Chewy]

Does anyone else think the fact they've chosen the GL writer is any indicator that perhaps the GL franchise isn't as dead as we thought.

I mean, if they saw the whole thing as such a big mess, why would they trust the next DC project to the exact same writer?
All of these writers were hired last year before GL flopped. The JL, Flash, WW writers, all of them.

Which is why all the excitement seems weird to me. A Variety writer recently found out who they hired a year ago and yet these news snippets are being treated as current developments.

I'm sure some sort of DC team-up flick will happen after Avengers but it won't involve anyone who worked on Green Lantern except maybe Johns.

[Tony Stark]

All of these writers were hired last year before GL flopped. The JL, Flash, WW writers, all of them.

Which is why all the excitement seems weird to me. A Variety writer recently found out who they hired a year ago and yet these news snippets are being treated as current developments.

I'm sure some sort of DC team-up flick will happen after Avengers but it won't involve anyone who worked on Green Lantern except maybe Johns.

So it sounds like this whole thing is just PR spin from WB. They pretty much got their asses handed to them on a silver platter for the mishandling of their properties (other than Batman), and now that Avengers is a huge success they're trying to spin it like they're back on track.

Honestly WB is not much different than Fox, i.e. a bunch of bureaucrats running a movie studio. The big difference is Warner had some good franchises in Potter, the Nolan films, but now that's all dried up and they are realizing they have virtually no bankable properties going forward.

[HighFivingMF]

Um... The Hangover, Sherlock Holmes, Journey, The Hobbit, Titans. Along with the upcoming hopefuls Man of Steel, Pacific Rim, and Jack the Giant Killer. Plus Batman's next incarnation. Like they said, they're also developing Flash, Wonder Woman, and Justice League and some mystery comic property that the Men in Black director is developing. They're also hoping to make Supergirl a big deal, with a clothing line and various other merchandise possibly building to a feature.

[Chewy]

So it sounds like this whole thing is just PR spin from WB.
Yeah that's not even remotely close to what I said.

[Tony Stark]

Um... The Hangover, Sherlock Holmes, Journey, The Hobbit, Titans. Along with the upcoming hopefuls Man of Steel, Pacific Rim, and Jack the Giant Killer. Plus Batman's next incarnation. Like they said, they're also developing Flash, Wonder Woman, and Justice League and some mystery comic property that the Men in Black director is developing. They're also hoping to make Supergirl a big deal, with a clothing line and various other merchandise possibly building to a feature.

Hangover - yes but on last leg
Holmes - yes at least for one more movie
Hobbit - yes good for 2 films, maybe Silmarillion next?

Man of Steel - hopefully

Journey - not really a big tentpole

Titans - abject failure

The rest of the list, there will be hits or misses, but nothing for certain.

DC has got alot of potential at Warner, but DCE is a joke with no real power and the whole gamble is on MoS which looks promising, but we'll have to see.

[mat-chow]

Honestly, all a JL film needs is a massive prologue, told in voice over and montage (like the Fellowship of the Ring prologue) that sets up the world, the mythos, the threat of the story, and a brief snippet about needing heroes of a different sort in order to get the world up and running without having to do solo lead up films to get to the JL film.
This, this this. A truly epic reading of JL is what's needed. If there's any truth to Millar's assertions that what he's heard is "dark and mature" and "not what you'd expect", it could be the way to go. IMO it's absolutely the way to go. Some humor, but play up the mythological/ gods among us part of it. This isn't going to be six or seven quirky characters with zingers at the ready. It's going to be archetypical characters prepared to save our world from whatever threat presents itself. With a little GL/Flash banter in there I'm sure. Much like Legolas and Gimli (even Aragorn or Gandalf to a degree) in LOTR. I hope this comes to fruition! Go DC!

[solidsnake86]

So it sounds like this whole thing is just PR spin from WB. They pretty much got their asses handed to them on a silver platter for the mishandling of their properties (other than Batman), and now that Avengers is a huge success they're trying to spin it like they're back on track.

Honestly WB is not much different than Fox, i.e. a bunch of bureaucrats running a movie studio. The big difference is Warner had some good franchises in Potter, the Nolan films, but now that's all dried up and they are realizing they have virtually no bankable properties going forward.

:whatever: Your marvel fanboy is showing, the studio has been doing fine for years. If you think marvel is any better you're fooling yourself.

The only studio with a consistent losing streak right now is universal.

[Smashlilman]

It would be nice if they could work Wonder Woman’s origin into the main story and have Ares as a back ground villain.

Magical enemies vs Superman. You could show him taking heavy damge and everyone would accept it becasue we all know that Sups has weakness again Magic. :yay:

[LostSon88]

Not everyone knows that magic is a weakness of Superman...

[Tony Stark]

:whatever: Your marvel fanboy is showing, the studio has been doing fine for years. If you think marvel is any better you're fooling yourself.

The only studio with a consistent losing streak right now is universal.

Whatever :whatever:

I agree universal is in real trouble and Sony on top of that. My comment is more that WB used to be a great quality family entertainment company until Ted Turner took over the company and basically made them a media giant, same goes for Murdock at Fox.

Yeah Marvel is better because they're run as an independent subsidiary, which is what needs to happen with DCE, which is a joke right now.

I grew up with Marvel comics, but I also grew up watching the Reeves superman movies and the Batman'89 movie when I was in high school. So you can think what you want.

I'm not hear to wash anyone's dogs if Marvel makes mistakes I will call them out on it, and I have for Daredevil, Fantastic Four and the Ghost Rider movies. The Marvel Studios so far has an excellent track record. Some have been more successful than others, there are certainly the stronger movies and the weaker ones, but there's not one bad movie they've produced, not on the scale of Green Lantern, Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, or Batman and Robin.

I want to see this movie made, but I want it to be done right, and right now WB does not have their ducks in a row.

[Spider-Kurt!]

Don't know why it won't let me quote but smashlilman has a good idea in incorporating Wonder Woman's orgin with the central plot. Over the years a big issue of there not being a live action Wonder Woman movie is the notion that female leads don't sell at the box office nearly as well as male leads. Having the Amazon Wonder Woman team up with men from "the outside world" for the greater good makes sense story wise as well as having DC's biggest stars in one movie makes sense money wise.

[solidsnake86]

^if you think marvel will last long as an independent studio you are fooling yourself. As soon as they start having failures, and they will, disney will start having more control over them. With the hiring of alan horn, isnt he also in charge of overseeing marvel as well.

Marvel has just as many problems as DC, going foward now that avengers has come out will be interesting. At the end of the day I'm glad they have done well because it means WB still keeps on trying, but lets not pretend marvels films have been the second coming, they can improve a lot.

[Smashlilman]

Not everyone knows that magic is a weakness of Superman...

Superman fans know it and thats why it should be done. Plus a movie with tons of magic would be the perfect opportunity to introduce the GA to more info about Superman's other weakness. No Kryptonite needed for a movie with tons of Magic and a God.


Superhero movies should be made for fans of the comic book and fans of the Genre in general. They should only tweak minor thing so that it appeals to the GA. The problem with most Superhero movies is that they do it the other way around.


Don't know why it won't let me quote but smashlilman has a good idea in incorporating Wonder Woman's orgin with the central plot. Over the years a big issue of there not being a live action Wonder Woman movie is the notion that female leads don't sell at the box office nearly as well as male leads. Having the Amazon Wonder Woman team up with men from "the outside world" for the greater good makes sense story wise as well as having DC's biggest stars in one movie makes sense money wise.

It's the best course to take.

^if you think marvel will last long as an independent studio you are fooling yourself. As soon as they start having failures, and they will, disney will start having more control over them. With the hiring of alan horn, isnt he also in charge of overseeing marvel as well.

Marvel has just as many problems as DC, going foward now that avengers has come out will be interesting. At the end of the day I'm glad they have done well because it means WB still keeps on trying, but lets not pretend marvels films have been the second coming, they can improve a lot.

You many be right about Disney in the long run but there are still big difference between Marvel Studios and Warner Brothers. Marvel Studios is in the business of popularizing there lesser known characters while Warner Brothers is in the business of capitalizing on there DC characters popularity. Those to modes of thought lead to differences in decisions making. Marvel is willing to take more risk with there lesser known properties but that leads to them being more cautious in the process of making the movies. Warner Brothers is the exact opposite. They're less willing to make more DC movies with B-list characters but when they make them they go all out.

[AndrewGilkison]

^if you think marvel will last long as an independent studio you are fooling yourself. As soon as they start having failures, and they will, disney will start having more control over them. With the hiring of alan horn, isnt he also in charge of overseeing marvel as well.

Marvel has just as many problems as DC, going foward now that avengers has come out will be interesting. At the end of the day I'm glad they have done well because it means WB still keeps on trying, but lets not pretend marvels films have been the second coming, they can improve a lot.

Marvel Studios was able to take Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America - three previously obscure b-list comic book characters - and make successful movie franchises out of them. WB and DCE couldn't do it with even one character, Green Lantern. What problems are you talking about, exactly?

[J.Howlett]

The problems he refers to are sacrificing full character films to get to the Avengers, not to mention the fact that the Marvel Studios films have been safe films. It has made them a lot of money but, at the end of the day, there are no chances taken within the narrative of anyone of their films.

Watchmen and V for Vendetta took more chances than the 6 Marvel Studios films combined, from a filmmaking perspective. And we won't even discuss what Nolan's done with his property compared to Marvel. It's not even up for debate.

If you look at WB's track record with their properties since '04, they've let filmmakers create a unique vision for each one. Some have paid off, others haven't. There isn't a unique vision in any of the Marvel Studios films. Not one. It's mostly filmmaking by committee over there. The difference is is that their committee hasn't had an outright flop yet (though Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2, critically, were close), while WB's filmmaking by committee yielded Jonah Hex and Green Lantern, which hurt them bad.

Hell, I'd say Constantine is much more than any of the Marvel Studios' films. You can tell that that film had one vision from top to bottom, no matter what you think of that film. It's severely underrated as a genre picture. Same goes for Superman Returns. Say what you will about it but one vision and it was an ambitious film.

Avengers is ambitious purely from the fact that it's a collection of four franchise characters in one film. Within the narrative, nothing. Good film. Hell of a ride but nothing is different from the previous five Marvel Studios films...

Flame away....

[hopefuldreamer]

The problems he refers to are sacrificing full character films to get to the Avengers, not to mention the fact that the Marvel Studios films have been safe films. It has made them a lot of money but, at the end of the day, there are no chances taken within the narrative of anyone of their films.

Watchmen and V for Vendetta took more chances than the 6 Marvel Studios films combined, from a filmmaking perspective. And we won't even discuss what Nolan's done with his property compared to Marvel. It's not even up for debate.

If you look at WB's track record with their properties since '04, they've let filmmakers create a unique vision for each one. Some have paid off, others haven't. There isn't a unique vision in any of the Marvel Studios films. Not one. It's mostly filmmaking by committee over there. The difference is is that their committee hasn't had an outright flop yet (though Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2, critically, were close), while WB's filmmaking by committee yielded Jonah Hex and Green Lantern, which hurt them bad.

Hell, I'd say Constantine is much more than any of the Marvel Studios' films. You can tell that that film had one vision from top to bottom, no matter what you think of that film. It's severely underrated as a genre picture. Same goes for Superman Returns. Say what you will about it but one vision and it was an ambitious film.

Avengers is ambitious purely from the fact that it's a collection of four franchise characters in one film. Within the narrative, nothing. Good film. Hell of a ride but nothing is different from the previous five Marvel Studios films...

Flame away....

Have to say I kind of agree with what you're saying.

The way I see it, It's basically a case of if you don't like that style, you won't particularly like ANY of the films. Because they are all the same. There's no variation as such. You're either a fan of the whole franchise, or your a fan of none of the films.

So there's really no 'pulling together' of different franchises. No combining of the styles of different superheroes. Instead, the heroes have been written to suit that one style. And in a sense, they've lost their uniqueness because of that.

I think it'd be much more ambitious (and therefore more of a risk), to take heroes that are all done in a totally different and unique style, and then try and blend them all together.

[The Batman]

Not to mention that marvel lowballs the **** out of everyone they negotiate with and rush some of their films. These things will bite them in the ass eventually.

[M-2]

I really dont like the way this Justice League film is developing, I really think thata Superman and Batman film will be more beneficial for DC or a Trinity film, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, as the film to set up a Justice League in future...

But, i read that The JL film will be more darker and mature, and a lot of people saying that they must do what Avengers done. And I don't agree with that, when Dark Knight cams out a whole lot of people said Dark and Mature should be the direction for Avengers and comic films, and now everybody going back to the comics for inspiration!!

JL is a team of god-like superheroes so maybe the best way to treat them is a little more serious, than the Avengers... The Threat that they face will have to be global, with everyone having there hands full in different parts of the world... Filming in a whole bunch of locations around the world!!

I think JL has to be a little more serious than Avengers and maybe WB can make a good story, but if you have any doubts still, check out this fan-made trailer I found on YouTube!! IT SOLD ME ON A JUSTICE LEAGUE Film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LynC4gNWyI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[DoomsdayApex]

I really dont like the way this Justice League film is developing, I really think thata Superman and Batman film will be more beneficial for DC or a Trinity film, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, as the film to set up a Justice League in future...

But, i read that The JL film will be more darker and mature, and a lot of people saying that they must do what Avengers done. And I don't agree with that, when Dark Knight cams out a whole lot of people said Dark and Mature should be the direction for Avengers and comic films, and now everybody going back to the comics for inspiration!!

JL is a team of god-like superheroes so maybe the best way to treat them is a little more serious, than the Avengers... The Threat that they face will have to be global, with everyone having there hands full in different parts of the world... Filming in a whole bunch of locations around the world!!

I think JL has to be a little more serious than Avengers and maybe WB can make a good story, but if you have any doubts still, check out this fan-made trailer I found on YouTube!! IT SOLD ME ON A JUSTICE LEAGUE Film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LynC4gNWyI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

First of all, I suggest you stop taking what Mark Miller says seriously considering the guy overexaggerates everything. He isn't reliable at all.

Second, don't try to start a TDKR-Avengers flame war.

[Smashlilman]

I really dont like the way this Justice League film is developing, I really think thata Superman and Batman film will be more beneficial for DC or a Trinity film, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, as the film to set up a Justice League in future...

But, i read that The JL film will be more darker and mature, and a lot of people saying that they must do what Avengers done. And I don't agree with that, when Dark Knight cams out a whole lot of people said Dark and Mature should be the direction for Avengers and comic films, and now everybody going back to the comics for inspiration!!

JL is a team of god-like superheroes so maybe the best way to treat them is a little more serious, than the Avengers... The Threat that they face will have to be global, with everyone having there hands full in different parts of the world... Filming in a whole bunch of locations around the world!!

I think JL has to be a little more serious than Avengers and maybe WB can make a good story, but if you have any doubts still, check out this fan-made trailer I found on YouTube!! IT SOLD ME ON A JUSTICE LEAGUE Film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LynC4gNWyI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Serious do not = Dark
Just wanted to get that out there.

I'm not against dark and gritty comic book films. I love The Dark Knight and the Watchmen. I just don't approve of every comic book movie being generically turned into an ultra dark for no reason. Each individual comic book movie should have is own independent feel that's reflective of the style the comics where created in.

[M-2]

Serious do not = Dark
Just wanted to get that out there.

I'm not against dark and gritty comic book films. I love The Dark Knight and the Watchmen. I just don't approve of every comic book movie being generically turned into an ultra dark for no reason. Each individual comic book movie should have is own independent feel that's reflective of the style the comics where created in.

Yep, and I don't think JL should try and go the same route as Avengers with comedy... Obviously Flash will be the comedic relief, but JL's characters are a little more serious, and because these characters are so supremely powerful, you will need a threat that's really going to push them to there limits...

So okay, More serious not necessarily dark!!

[Rock Sexton]

The problems he refers to are sacrificing full character films to get to the Avengers, not to mention the fact that the Marvel Studios films have been safe films. It has made them a lot of money but, at the end of the day, there are no chances taken within the narrative of anyone of their films.

Watchmen and V for Vendetta took more chances than the 6 Marvel Studios films combined, from a filmmaking perspective. And we won't even discuss what Nolan's done with his property compared to Marvel. It's not even up for debate.

If you look at WB's track record with their properties since '04, they've let filmmakers create a unique vision for each one. Some have paid off, others haven't. There isn't a unique vision in any of the Marvel Studios films. Not one. It's mostly filmmaking by committee over there. The difference is is that their committee hasn't had an outright flop yet (though Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2, critically, were close), while WB's filmmaking by committee yielded Jonah Hex and Green Lantern, which hurt them bad.

Hell, I'd say Constantine is much more than any of the Marvel Studios' films. You can tell that that film had one vision from top to bottom, no matter what you think of that film. It's severely underrated as a genre picture. Same goes for Superman Returns. Say what you will about it but one vision and it was an ambitious film.

Avengers is ambitious purely from the fact that it's a collection of four franchise characters in one film. Within the narrative, nothing. Good film. Hell of a ride but nothing is different from the previous five Marvel Studios films...

Flame away....

Ya with Avengers and the stand-alones, the direction they took is definitely separate to that of movies like Watchmen, V, Constantine, etc. etc. That's fine though ..... it's just a different strategy.

I loved V, Watchmen, and Constantine ...... The first two weren't going to appeal to a mass audience though, only to people who desire more levels and depth to the narrative. I seriously hope one day I can get a Constantine sequel.

[LostSon88]

Yep, and I don't think JL should try and go the same route as Avengers with comedy... Obviously Flash will be the comedic relief, but JL's characters are a little more serious, and because these characters are so supremely powerful, you will need a threat that's really going to push them to there limits...

So okay, More serious not necessarily dark!!

Avengers having a sense of humor about itself doesn't make it a comedy.

[Tony Stark]

^if you think marvel will last long as an independent studio you are fooling yourself. As soon as they start having failures, and they will, disney will start having more control over them. With the hiring of alan horn, isnt he also in charge of overseeing marvel as well.

Marvel has just as many problems as DC, going foward now that avengers has come out will be interesting. At the end of the day I'm glad they have done well because it means WB still keeps on trying, but lets not pretend marvels films have been the second coming, they can improve a lot.

Now you sound like the fanboy. Disney doesn't micromanage it's subsidiaries. They don't do it with Pixar, and then don't do it with Marvel.

WB's problem isn't micromanagement, but it's that they have no formal structure to produce comic films. The fact that Nolan is doing his own thing outside of oversight from DCE is a problem. It's a problem for MoS, and it's was a huge problem for Green Lantern because they had a whole production where the director and the producers were asleep at the wheel.

[Tony Stark]

Not to mention that marvel lowballs the **** out of everyone they negotiate with and rush some of their films. These things will bite them in the ass eventually.

Yeah they really lowballed Robert Downey Jr. didn't they? He only got a 50M dollar bonus.:o

[riprat]

I think more serious, but you will have to have some humour. The key for me would be character arcs. You can't have this multitude of heros all good friends with no conflict. The respect among them has to be earned. An economy of storytelling, the rule of film don't use exposition if you can show. Batman has to be paranoid and distrustful of the power houses around him, possibly discussing it with Alfred while researching the members, but never showing the League his fear.

I'm not a writer but, Batman's relationship with the others: a) Superman, scared of his power levels, but comes to respect his decency, and commitment to do the right thing, b)Diana, admires her tactical accumen, battle smarts, but abhorred by her willingness to kill if needed, c)Flash, again mistrustful of power level, but admiring of his forensic detective ability, d)Green Lantern, mistrusts his space cop authority status, comes to respect his commitment to Justice e)Aquaman, wealth self made man meets haughty arrogant royalty, an obvious clash, f)Manhunter, again common ground on the police detective side, etc.

And then the character arcs between Everyone else, Superman and Wonder Woman, once again does not approve of her ferocity, but intriguied by her power, physicallity, someone who is near his power level.

I could go on but you get the idea, and an actual writer can define this more eloquently than I. But character, and arcs are what make a movie successful. They have to start at a certain place, and arrive at their destination with a journey. It has to be a struggle, which is what worked in the Avengers. When they finally assembled in that circle in the midst of destruction standing back to back, the theatre went nuts with people cheering. They had finally become the team. Let's hope DC, understands that and doesn't have them all chummy and friends hanging out saving the world. Conflict and resolution. And a threat that is an insane challenge. My two cents worth...

[Chewy]

If you look at WB's track record with their properties since '04, they've let filmmakers create a unique vision for each one.
Except Harry Potter. You know, their biggest franchise.

Filmmaking by committee can work great when the committee is composed of genuine creatives who care about the property instead of studio hacks.

[Tony Stark]

the Potter films were great, but J.K. Rowling pretty much had total control over the production, including the right to approve the directors chosen and had final editing rights on the screen play.

The Nolan films were great because Nolan and Goyer had final say so.

Green Lantern was a cluster **** because no one was in charge, no one really cared, and in the end they ran out of their budget and had to ship the film so it was thrown together. I think Bob the movie guy said it the best, "it's the cheapest looking 200M dollar movie ever."

[solidsnake86]

Yeah they really lowballed Robert Downey Jr. didn't they? He only got a 50M dollar bonus.:o

That 50 million wasn't outright, it is from backend profits. If avengers didn't make the money it did he would not have made that much. Just another example of you seeing what you want to see when it comes to marvel.

[Chewy]

That 50 million wasn't outright, it is from backend profits. If avengers didn't make the money it did he would not have made that much. Just another example of you seeing what you want to see when it comes to marvel.
Meaning they negotiated backend into his contract, which is pretty standard practice. The rest of the cast made 4-6M as well. Really strapped for cash.

Some of y'all take this fanboy wars stuff so seriously. I know this is the JL board but does every other post really need to be pissing and moaning about Marvel?

[Blackman]

Meaning they negotiated backend into his contract, which is pretty standard practice. The rest of the cast made 4-6M as well. Really strapped for cash.

Some of y'all take this fanboy wars stuff so seriously. I know this is the JL board but does every other post really need to be pissing and moaning about Marvel?

:up:

[solidsnake86]

Some of y'all take this fanboy wars stuff so seriously. I know this is the JL board but does every other post really need to be pissing and moaning about Marvel?

I dont think its so much about pissing and moaning as it is valid criticisms about marvel and what approach WB will take. But I guess those can't be had here on a message board to discuss opinions..

[bunk]

This is all very exciting but I feel like WB is just going to end up breaking my heart.

[Bruce_Begins]

This is all very exciting but I feel like WB is just going to end up breaking my heart.

:funny:

I doubt that after the mega success of Avengers, Time Warner's board members will let WB movie execs go slow on DC heroes movies.

At least Marvel is doing some thing constructive here. :oldrazz:

[Tony Stark]

That 50 million wasn't outright, it is from backend profits. If avengers didn't make the money it did he would not have made that much. Just another example of you seeing what you want to see when it comes to marvel.

You need to get your panties out of a bunch. The accusation was Marvel was cheap. Well they spent 250 million making Avengers so that's not cheap.

No kidding that it was paid because of how well Avengers did, that's what a bonus is. How much have they paid him in salary over the last few films?

Sure there are valid criticisms of Marvel. I'm a little upset with the director choice for Captain America 2, but with their track record I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt. If this were a Marvel property at Fox (who is undoubtedly cheap), I'd be alot more skeptical.

The accusation of Marvel being cheap first came up because of Terrance Howard. It's been well documented Howard was being an ass in negotiations and they found another actor to do the same job for the same price. It's called having a budget.

[DoomsdayApex]

My belief is Marvel Studios took risks (Iron Man, The Avengers) and played it safe (Captain America, Thor) when it came to their films. And it paid off greatly. All I hope for is WB learning from their previous mistakes and going in their own creative route when approaching The Justice League.

WB took it's first steps by giving Nolan (The Governor) more creative freedom for its DC's properties. That's a fantastic start.

[Blackman]

My belief is Marvel Studios took risks (Iron Man, The Avengers) and played it safe (Captain America, Thor) when it came to their films. And it paid off greatly. All I hope for is WB learning from their previous mistakes and going in their own creative route when approaching The Justice League.

WB took it's first steps by giving Nolan (The Governor) more creative freedom for its DC's properties. That's a fantastic start.

i agree with this especially the last bit

[Chewy]

I doubt Nolan will be too involved moving forward. To be honest I'd prefer he make his own films than focus on producing others' films anyway.

[Blackman]

I agree completely, but I still think WB giving a director as much control that they gave Nolan is good.

[Tony Stark]

I doubt Nolan will be too involved moving forward. To be honest I'd prefer he make his own films than focus on producing others' films anyway.

Exactly, Nolan wanted to make Batman films. I know he worked as a producer/writer on MoS, but he probably doesn't care all that much. Inception was his reward for TDK, which is the type of film he really wants to make.

Also I could see him going back to more independent type films like Memento. He is not really a comic book guy.

[solidsnake86]

You need to get your panties out of a bunch. The accusation was Marvel was cheap. Well they spent 250 million making Avengers so that's not cheap.



Haha, this is funny coming from you. If I'm not mistaken you were the one who was getting all worked up when people had valid criticisms of Iron Man 2. But regardless I don't really care to continue this conversation, this is the justice league thread.

[Chewy]

I agree completely, but I still think WB giving a director as much control that they gave Nolan is good.
There are two sides to every coin. They gave Nolan a ton of freedom and we got The Dark Knight, they gave Singer a ton of freedom and we got Superman Returns.

The most important thing is they find the right guy to helm it.

[DoomsdayApex]

I doubt Nolan will be too involved moving forward. To be honest I'd prefer he make his own films than focus on producing others' films anyway.

Christopher will probably give suggestions about the talent (directors and actors) and stories. I think that's all. Jonah and David will probably be more involved than Chris, in the end.

Both are still fantastic pick ups though. David and Jonah are a great duo.

[Tony Stark]

My belief is Marvel Studios took risks (Iron Man, The Avengers) and played it safe (Captain America, Thor) when it came to their films. And it paid off greatly. All I hope for is WB learning from their previous mistakes and going in their own creative route when approaching The Justice League.

WB took it's first steps by giving Nolan (The Governor) more creative freedom for its DC's properties. That's a fantastic start.

I keep hearing that Marvel "played it safe" with Thor and Cap. That's just hyperbole. You take risk on any film project. They hired Antony Hopkins and Hugo Weaving, two grade A actors, took a chance on Hemsworth who really had nothing under his belt other than a bit part in Star Trek, and Evans who was known mostly for the F4 movies, and alot of people thought was a weak choice.

I agree it was good to give Nolan creative freedom and it gave him some great films. I don't think he's someone that should do all their properties, and I don't think he'd be a guy to do Justice League. To me Nolan's best film remains Memento, because it's not a special effects film, but a film about character and story telling.

[craigdbfan]

Like I said in the other JL thread. Jonah and Goyer are the ones who are incredibly familiar with these characters not necessarily Christopher Nolan. They're the ones who always brush up Chris on the Batman comics/animated series so he can apply aspects he likes from them.

They should be the ones to spearhead these projects when it comes to an overall strategy as they're very familiar with these characters. Christopher Nolan & Emma Thomas can help in the gathering talent and that's about it. That's already a much better plan than whatever they were doing with Green Lantern.

[DoomsdayApex]

I keep hearing that Marvel "played it safe" with Thor and Cap. That's just hyperbole. You take risk on any film project. They hired Antony Hopkins and Hugo Weaving, two grade A actors, took a chance on Hemsworth who really had nothing under his belt other than a bit part in Star Trek, and Evans who was known mostly for the F4 movies, and alot of people thought was a weak choice.

It's not hyperbole to me. Cap and Thor were nothing but assembly line CBMs, and average ones. You dont have to agree with my views (I'm not here to bash Marvel) but I'm being completely honest. Yes, Marvel took a massive risk on Hemsworth but they didn't do squat with Weaving. He's Marvel's most poorly written villain to date.

To me, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers are Marvel Studios' best. The rest are subpar and/or bland.

I agree it was good to give Nolan creative freedom and it gave him some great films. I don't think he's someone that should do all their properties, and I don't think he'd be a guy to do Justice League. To me Nolan's best film remains Memento, because it's not a special effects film, but a film about character and story telling.

We don't know WHAT Nolan will be spearheading yet but you're jumping the gun a bit. Like Craig stated, it'll probably be Jonah and David that will be working with WB more closely than Christopher will.

[Blackman]

There are two sides to every coin. They gave Nolan a ton of freedom and we got The Dark Knight, they gave Singer a ton of freedom and we got Superman Returns.

The most important thing is they find the right guy to helm it.

Yeah this is true also

[Tony Stark]

It's not hyperbole to me. Cap and Thor were nothing but assembly line CBMs, and average ones. You dont have to agree with my views (I'm not here to bash Marvel) but I'm being completely honest. Yes, Marvel took a massive risk on Hemsworth but they didn't do squat with Weaving. He's Marvel's most poorly written villain to date.

To me, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers are Marvel Studios' best. The rest are subpar and/or bland.


If you liked those three best, I can understand. To say Thor and Cap were "assembly line" is hyperbole. Especially for Thor which is pretty much straight off the pages of the book, the look the mythos the characterization, going back between Earth and Asgard.

Weaving worst written villian to date? You don't seriously mean that. remember Dr. Doom?

[DoomsdayApex]

If you liked those three best, I can understand. To say Thor and Cap were "assembly line" is hyperbole. Especially for Thor which is pretty much straight off the pages of the book, the look the mythos the characterization, going back between Earth and Asgard.

There's nothing hyperbolic being stated here. They are what they are. Thor and Captain America were just introductory films for the characters being featured in The Avengers (Point A to Point B movies). Hence, the assembly line description. I didn't see them as anything else after watching them.

Weaving worst written villian to date? You don't seriously mean that. remember Dr. Doom?

I'm referring to Marvel Studios released films.

[Blackman]

There's nothing hyperbolic being stated here. They are what they are. Thor and Captain America were just introductory films for the characters being featured in The Avengers (Point A to Point B movies). Hence, the assembly line description. I didn't see them as anything else after watching them.



I'm referring to Marvel Studios released films.

Kinda OT: I think Vanko and Hammer were written worse

[JAK®]

Marvel Studios did play things safe when it comes to the individual movies (but overall they did not because each film was a build-up to The Avengers, which was a massive risk) but it doesn't really matter because they focused on what was important; the characters and getting the audience to like those characters, which every Marvel movie except TIH did superbly.

This isn't like how WB played it safe with Green Lantern and it crashed and burned because it had nothing that made the Marvel films successful.

[DoomsdayApex]

Kinda OT: I think Vanko and Hammer were written worse

I actually liked Vanko. His character had potential at the start of the Iron Man 2. Here's the difference though, Vanko was far more memorable as a villain than Red Skull was. I only recall two scenes with Red Skull in CA:TFA and I was pretty indifferent to them. Whiplash, at least, as a villain was menacing and engaging.

[solidsnake86]

Kinda OT: I think Vanko and Hammer were written worse

Considering Iron man's rogues gallery I thought they did an excellent job setting up Vanko, just somewhere down the line they lost track of his character. He had potential to be a great villain. I would have rather seen them plant seeds to the ten rings and focus on iron man's series than avengers.

I say that because when you watch the avengers it wasn't really necessary to watch the other films, so those easter eggs were really nothing more than fan service. When you think about the money avengers made, it obviously brought in people who didnt show up for the individual characters films.

In that sense avengers was great and not really needing to know the other films to enjoy it.

[Blackman]

See thats what Im saying the performance was fine I just think thathe was under written. Hammer much more so than Vanko

[MarvelKnight]

I go into the JL directing thread and they are talking about Coulson from Avengers, I come in here and I all i see on the most recent page is talk about danko/hammer and Iron Man.. weird lol

Anyways, I thought I saw that there was a possibility of Henry Cavill's contract being amended to include more JL related stuff in light of the fact that WB wants Justice League sooner rather than later... anyone have any new information on that or news that it is actually false and there will be yet ANOTHER superman since this superman supposedly won't be JL tied?

[Spade]

The more they push for this Justice League movie, the less I believe they know what they're doing. Anything is possible, but for this to be good requires many variables to pan out almost perfectly before even a single frame is shot, and the WB has a horrible track record with everything besides Batman. Rushing this out just because The Avengers is now a cash cow is potentially the worst thing they could possibly do. If it fails, they'll lose out on much more than a good opening weekend.

Seriously, they haven't even decided yet whether Reynolds is still the Green Lantern, or what the Wonder Woman movie is even about, assuming it's ever made. That's kind of a big deal. Whether you're for this or not, you have to at least admit that outside of some dodgy rumors from Mark Millar, there's not much evidence they know what to do with these characters.

[RoughNTumble]

The more they push for this Justice League movie, the less I believe they know what they're doing. Anything is possible, but for this to be good requires many variables to pan out almost perfectly before even a single frame is shot, and the WB has a horrible track record with everything besides Batman. Rushing this out just because The Avengers is now a cash cow is potentially the worst thing they could possibly do. If it fails, they'll lose out on much more than a good opening weekend.

Seriously, they haven't even decided yet whether Reynolds is still the Green Lantern, or what the Wonder Woman movie is even about, assuming it's ever made. That's kind of a big deal. Whether you're for this or not, you have to at least admit that outside of some dodgy rumors from Mark Millar, there's not much evidence they know what to do with these characters.

I also think that with a character like wonder woman, it might be better to try and attract a director who thinks he has an interesting take on her, rather than establishing a few things about her in a justice league movie and then seeking out someone to run with that vision. I think in the latter scenario you're more likely to end up with someone like McG at the helm.

[J.Howlett]

Except Harry Potter. You know, their biggest franchise.

Filmmaking by committee can work great when the committee is composed of genuine creatives who care about the property instead of studio hacks.

Um, Potter is not filmmaking by committee just because they had four directors, one of which finished off the series by doing the last four.

Potter is what it is because of one singular producer, David Heyman.

[Liam_H]

Hmm, when did they separate Justice League into its own thread? Kind of premature.

[Smashlilman]

Yep, and I don't think JL should try and go the same route as Avengers with comedy... Obviously Flash will be the comedic relief, but JL's characters are a little more serious, and because these characters are so supremely powerful, you will need a threat that's really going to push them to there limits...

So okay, More serious not necessarily dark!!

I agree the JL movie should be unique from the Avengers movie. I want the Justice League to be serious with out having to make it dark and gritty. I would rather the look and feel of each individual scene reflex the characters that a present in them. When the character are in the presence of each other there there feels should clash.

[sethypants]

Superheroes on the bigscreen are coming together nearly three years after Warner Bros. took back control of characters.
This week, the studio revealed it tapped "Gangster Squad" scribe Will Beall to revive "Justice League," which WB unplugged in 2008, and hired Michael Goldenberg (one of the many writers of "Green Lantern") to pen "Wonder Woman."

Those projects now join in development films based on the Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Lobo, the Suicide Squad and Shazam. DC and WB are also facing a decision on how to reboot Batman once "The Dark Knight Rises" completes Christopher Nolan's take on the caped crusader, featuring Christian Bale in the cowl.

Studio is figuring out whether to bring back Ryan Reynolds as the Green Lantern in a sequel to last year's actioner or relaunch the character in a completely new way. Goldenberg ("Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix") was brought on board in 2010 to write the screenplay for the sequel, a year before the first film bowed.

Of course, those are nice problems to have.

As Marvel Studios has proved, successful superhero pics can boost the bottomline of every division at a studio through homevideo releases, videogames, consumer products and licensed merchandise, TV and online shows and theme park attractions.

To better exploit DC's characters, Warner Bros. relaunched the comicbook company as DC Entertainment in 2009, and put "Harry Potter" franchise steward Diane Nelson at the helm. She reports directly to studio chief Jeff Robinov.

At the time, Robinov and Nelson halted development of all films tied to DC characters, taking them back from producers like Charles Roven, Joel Silver and Dan Lin and aimed to start from scratch.

DC's more focused approach to manage its heroes already has been felt across Warner Bros.

• On TV, the company launched programming block DC Nation on Cartoon Network with new "Green Lantern" and "Young Justice" animated series. CW is bringing a live-action take on Green Arrow to primetime in the fall with "Arrow," which is notably darker than the net's previous DC staple, "Smallville."

• Direct-to-homevid titles have sold well, with "Superman vs. The Elite" and "Flashpoint" forthcoming.

• Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment has scored with its dark and gritty "Batman: Arkham Asylum" and "Batman: Arkham City" games, as well as its lighter, funnier "Lego: Batman" titles. WBIE used this week's Electronic Entertainment Expo videogame confab to unveil fighting game "Injustice: Gods Among Us," featuring DC's heroes and villains, and a "Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition" for the new Nintendo Wii U console, out this fall.

• Meanwhile, Warner Bros. Consumer Products shelled out considerable coin to expand its rights to the classic 1960s "Batman" TV series to launch new lines of merchandise featuring the show's characters, while brokering deals to unleash a slew of products around next summer's Superman actioner, "Man of Steel," which the studio hopes will launch a new franchise.

• And its comicbook division relaunched all of its 52 books last year, with new storylines and art, to boost sales and attract a new readership, especially through digital platforms.

With "Harry Potter" having ended its run, WB is clearly turning to DC to help launch new franchises.

But the studio is being especially careful with the characters now after the disappointing perf of "Green Lantern," which earned nearly $220 million at the worldwide box office last year.

According to sources close to the development process, the studio learned that when making a superhero pic, it needs to tap creatives that genuinely understand the characters the way Joss Whedon was comfortable with "The Avengers."

DC execs are excitedly discussing all of the projects in motion with the major exception of its films.

The main reason: Christopher Nolan. With the filmmaker having relaunched Batman (last installment, "The Dark Knight," hauled in $1 billion globally, now surpassed by "The Avengers") and producing Superman pic "Man of Steel," directed by Zack Snyder, WB has increasingly put more control of its DC films in Nolan's hands.

That's similar to how WB entrusted producer David Heyman with all eight "Harry Potter" films.

Nolan has long preferred not to talk about his projects until their release, preserving some of that "movie magic" for the bigscreen.

It's why only one image of Henry Cavill as Superman has been released so far, with the first official footage of "Man of Steel" likely to play at Comic-Con in San Diego next month.

Warner Bros. isn't expected to make any concrete moves on the DC film front until after the third Batpic opens on July 20. Putting so much power in Nolan's hands is an interesting move -- especially as the filmmaker does not have a first-look deal at the studio. Still, WB is showing signs of veering into adventurous creative territory.

In a departure from normal comicbook-based fare, "Suicide Squad," for example, concentrates on a group of incarcerated supervillains -- well known and unknown -- rather than the usual focus on superheroes.


Does the bolded one means all the projects are joining development slate or that they were once under development?
So does it mean Flash and Aquaman is under development as well?

[TheComicbookKid]

I also think that with a character like wonder woman, it might be better to try and attract a director who thinks he has an interesting take on her, rather than establishing a few things about her in a justice league movie and then seeking out someone to run with that vision. I think in the latter scenario you're more likely to end up with someone like McG at the helm.

I don't like the idea of an actress sucking as WW in JL leading to a sort eh reaction to creating her own franchise.

[sethypants]

I would make it edgy and realistic. But not too dark.
I would do a really dark take on Wonder Woman though. Similar to Azzarello's version.

[Bruce_Begins]

Get Andrew Stanton for Wonder Woman.

[Dark Raven]

Hmm, when did they separate Justice League into its own thread? Kind of premature.

Is there anything concrete on a JL film? Otherwise isn't this just like announcements for Black Panther or Ant Man? If nothing has started filming yet and there isn't even a cast, I agree it does seem a bit premature to have a JL discussion board here. Justice League is no further along than Black Panther or Ant Man or any of these other projects.

[HighFivingMF]

Is there anything concrete on a JL film? Otherwise isn't this just like announcements for Black Panther or Ant Man? If nothing has started filming yet and there isn't even a cast, I agree it does seem a bit premature to have a JL discussion board here. Justice League is no further along than Black Panther or Ant Man or any of these other projects.

People are talking about Justice League a lot more than Ant-Man or Black Panther. Especially since everyone found out the writer was attached.

[Dark Raven]

People are talking about Justice League a lot more than Ant-Man or Black Panther. Especially since everyone found out the writer was attached.

I'm just wanting to be cautious. Don't get me wrong. I want to see a JL movie more than Ant-Man or Black Panther, but we even got to the stage of casting a few years ago with Justice League: Mortal and then that got shelved. At the moment it just seems like a nice idea they have, but nothing definite.

[I Am The Knight]

New board section huh? I like where this is going.

[sethypants]

People are talking about Justice League a lot more than Ant-Man or Black Panther. Especially since everyone found out the writer was attached.

Should gangsta squad be a success we'll be more likely to get a Justice League movie. So comic fans, lets watch gangsta squad

[Boom]

And if Gangster Squad sucks?

[sethypants]

And if Gangster Squad sucks?

then no more justice league

[craigdbfan]

They'll just get a new writer...

[Dark Raven]

They'll just get a new writer...

Which means that this movie is effectively the same Justice League: Mortal movie that was in pre-production in 2007/2008, just with a new writer, new director, new cast, new title, new start date and newly tweaked concepts. But otherwise everything's the same. :cwink:

[bunk]

I wonder if they plan to reuse anything from the the last failed attempt at a JL movie, like costume designs or story ideas, ect.

[sethypants]

They'll just get a new writer...

But that means we have to wait another ten years. Honestly, Im fu*king sick of waiting (oops can i swear here?) Yeah, I just dont wanna wait for another ten years. Im sick of waiting.

[protocida]

It's got it's own board? That was fast.

[solidsnake86]

And if Gangster Squad sucks?

Wasn't the script for gangster squad on the blacklist of best scripts or something. I remember reading that info somewhere so I can see why they got him as a writer.

Honestly all the information that variety posted is pretty much stuff that we already knew 3 or 4 years ago. Besides the justice league and wonder woman writers, all the other films were in development anyways.

I'll be more interested after the last batman film is released to see what they do. Because if they want a movie out for 2014 (regardless of what character) there going to have to hire a director soon.

[Whiskey Tango]

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[The Ironstar]

Great article I found:

http://whatculture.com/film/do-we-really-need-a-justice-league-movie.php
(pretty long too)

[sethypants]

Great article I found:

http://whatculture.com/film/do-we-really-need-a-justice-league-movie.php
(pretty long too)

great article.

[J.Howlett]

Really great article. Honestly, this is the way to go. Use Man of Steel as the opening salvo and have a post credit scene that has all the other members responding to the existence of this being and off we go....

[hopefuldreamer]

Fantastic article. I agree 100%, and I love the idea of the story being sort of Superman central to begin with, with the other characters coming in to get behind Superman. To join HIS fight.

Everything mentioned just makes so much sense. Especially avoiding the Marvel tone and focusing more on what these heroes are about.

[sethypants]

I mean honestly, Avengers needed tons of lead in movies because only the hulk was an iconic character in Avengers. Iron Man, Captain America and Thor were all b and c listers.
Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman however are the biggest most iconic characters and almost everyone knows them.

[J.Howlett]

I mean honestly, Avengers needed tons of lead in movies because only the hulk was an iconic character in Avengers. Iron Man, Captain America and Thor were all b and c listers.
Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman however are the biggest most iconic characters and almost everyone knows them.

Yeah. I mean, using Man of Steel as the lead it makes so much sense because think of it this way; Superman is an alien being. That would send worldwide shockwaves to the idea that we're not alone.

At the end of the film or post credits, we should get an idea from the other members that they're quite sure what to make of this "being", thus confront him to see his intentions are. And with that, you could easily introduce all the members/actors and go right into the Justice League film and the actors that will be portraying these characters in this new DC Universe.

Christ, even thinking about this has me buzzing about how Man of Steel could be the beginning.

Hell, you still use Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern, because no matter what people think of the film, if you watch the film minus the mid-credit sequence, Green Lantern is a complete story that basically let's the viewer make up their own assumptions as to what Hal Jordan accomplished as Green Lantern. You don't even need a sequel for that.

[bunk]

Not a bad article, but it drastically understates how difficult it is to come up with a story that works with all of those characters and isn't mostly action scenes like the Avengers. He cites Kingdom Come and Identity Crisis, but how interesting are these stories if you don't know all but two of the characters?

[Willi Berg]

It's intriguing that the screenwriter Will Beall was hired to write the Justice League movie, since with Gangster Squad, his novel and TV work, he is very much involved in writing a lot of crime fiction. Not to mention that he is a former LA homicide detective. So if Justice League is grounded in real world crime, as Nolan's Batman is, it could be interesting to juxtapose that with these superpowered superheroes - IF they pull it off.

But I wouldn't mind if a JLA movie is kind of grounded and real world, and is serious in a lot of ways. That would be different from the Avengers movie. I just hope they can strike the right balance.

[Nathan]

I still think something similar to the Justice League 3 Parter Pilot is the way to go. Love how it brought the entire team together. You had the story start out with Batman and Superman, the two most known DC heroes, J'onn was introduced as a captive that was trying to warn the world of an imminent alien invasion and then mentally calling out to other nearby heroes for assistance.

[J.Howlett]

It's intriguing that the screenwriter Will Beall was hired to write the Justice League movie, since with Gangster Squad, his novel and TV work, he is very much involved in writing a lot of crime fiction. Not to mention that he is a former LA homicide detective. So if Justice League is grounded in real world crime, as Nolan's Batman is, it could be interesting to juxtapose that with these superpowered superheroes - IF they pull it off.

But I wouldn't mind if a JLA movie is kind of grounded and real world, and is serious in a lot of ways. That would be different from the Avengers movie. I just hope they can strike the right balance.

He's a former homicide detective? Wow, didn't know that.

[Willi Berg]

I still think something similar to the Justice League 3 Parter Pilot is the way to go. Love how it brought the entire team together. You had the story start out with Batman and Superman, the two most known DC heroes, J'onn was introduced as a captive that was trying to warn the world of an imminent alien invasion and then mentally calling out to other nearby heroes for assistance.

I also like the New Frontier intro of J'onn, which was more the classic Martian Manhunter, who is in hiding/disguise on Earth and meets the others through the growing imminent threat.

He's a former homicide detective? Wow, didn't know that.

Yeah, it's interesting. I just found out:

http://www.larexbook.com/author.html

[dnno1]

Wasn't the script for gangster squad on the blacklist of best scripts or something. I remember reading that info somewhere so I can see why they got him as a writer.

Honestly all the information that variety posted is pretty much stuff that we already knew 3 or 4 years ago. Besides the justice league and wonder woman writers, all the other films were in development anyways.

I'll be more interested after the last batman film is released to see what they do. Because if they want a movie out for 2014 (regardless of what character) there going to have to hire a director soon.

Gangster Squad made the top 15 on the Black List back in 2010 (http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/the-black-list-2010/) when it was a spec. script.

[sethypants]

Yeah. I mean, using Man of Steel as the lead it makes so much sense because think of it this way; Superman is an alien being. That would send worldwide shockwaves to the idea that we're not alone.

At the end of the film or post credits, we should get an idea from the other members that they're quite sure what to make of this "being", thus confront him to see his intentions are. And with that, you could easily introduce all the members/actors and go right into the Justice League film and the actors that will be portraying these characters in this new DC Universe.

Christ, even thinking about this has me buzzing about how Man of Steel could be the beginning.

Hell, you still use Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern, because no matter what people think of the film, if you watch the film minus the mid-credit sequence, Green Lantern is a complete story that basically let's the viewer make up their own assumptions as to what Hal Jordan accomplished as Green Lantern. You don't even need a sequel for that.

I agree.

[sethypants]

I also like the New Frontier intro of J'onn, which was more the classic Martian Manhunter, who is in hiding/disguise on Earth and meets the others through the growing imminent threat.



Yeah, it's interesting. I just found out:

http://www.larexbook.com/author.html

I'm also following him on twitter. Hopefully he'll share some juicy details but probably not. Additionally, I found out that he is a comic fan.
https://twitter.com/#!/WillBeall

Gangster Squad made the top 15 on the Black List back in 2010 (http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/the-black-list-2010/) when it was a spec. script.

Wow. Knowing that the script was excellent is good enough for me. Since he is tapped on to write the script, so if he could deliver a good script, half the battle is won.

[Dark Raven]

I still think something similar to the Justice League 3 Parter Pilot is the way to go. Love how it brought the entire team together. You had the story start out with Batman and Superman, the two most known DC heroes, J'onn was introduced as a captive that was trying to warn the world of an imminent alien invasion and then mentally calling out to other nearby heroes for assistance.

These comic book movie scriptwriters should just adapt cartoons or comics more readily and wholeheartedly than trying to come up with completely original takes of their own. Often they don't do as good a job as the cartoon.

An example of this is Spider-Man 3, where it should've just adapted the Venom storyline from the 1990s cartoon, which did it much better than the film, even though Venom had about the same amount of screen time.

Sure, they can change a few things, but they should use the cartoon as its template. It's like adapting a book or play, where you want to see the same plot, not just the bare bones of it.

The JL cartoon has already figured out all the characterisations and dynamics, so why reinvent the wheel?

[protocida]

I'm not a fan of the idea of the Justice League joining forces "against" Superman, or using Superman's enemies in a movie about him and other heroes.

Ideally, Superman is the tip of the iceberg. Batman is a vigilante, and Green Lantern, for all intents and purposes, is a human using a weapon of extreterrestrial origin. But Superman's arrival confirms that there are very powerful creatures out there, and when Wonder Woman and the Flash show up, with powers that even modern science can't quite define, the government requires an answer, a failsafe against these beings. That'd be the way to introduce Checkmate and the O.M.A.C. Project.

[az824]

Great article I found:

http://whatculture.com/film/do-we-really-need-a-justice-league-movie.php
(pretty long too)

That's an awesome article, it makes me sooooo excited for a justice league movie, but I trust such few directors and writers that I'm so nervous about it. I think this movie deserves big name directors of the likes of Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott and such...

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm loving these ideas.

I, too, believe that the Justice League film has to feature Superman as the central character. He's their leader and ambassador to all 'alien' life after all. I know they'll be tempted to feature Bruce Wayne more than Kal-El simply because Batman is WB's/DC's poster boy but they can't take that route for this movie.

No post-credit scenes either.

[HighFivingMF]

I'd like to see Superman get knocked out or is believed to be dead toward the end of the final battle. The rest of the League holds their own for a bit but is eventually overpowered, then Superman comes back and lets loose like in Superman/Batman: Apocalypse or the JL cartoon.

[Nathan]

I'd want everyone in the final battle to shine, not have Superman save the day. You have Green Lantern, who commands one of the most powerful weapons in the universe and Flash, well, he's the Flash. With the thing's he's capable of, he could even beat Superman. In a team movie, the victory needs to be a team effort.

[HighFivingMF]

I'd want everyone in the final battle to shine, not have Superman save the day. You have Green Lantern, who commands one of the most powerful weapons in the universe and Flash, well, he's the Flash. With the thing's he's capable of, he could even beat Superman. In a team movie, the victory needs to be a team effort.

Of course they'd have their moments to shine and contribute to the eventual defeat of the villain. But Superman letting loose and delivering the final blow, showing why he's the ****ing man is what I want.

[Tony Stark]

I hope for this and MoS, they show a more modern interpretation of Superman. Superman should have awesome feats of strength, but he should also bleed, get winded and look like he's been in a fight. the Golden Age style superman worked for the Donner films, but it just looked stupid in Superman Returns.

[I Am The Knight]

Yeah. I mean, using Man of Steel as the lead it makes so much sense because think of it this way; Superman is an alien being. That would send worldwide shockwaves to the idea that we're not alone.

Hell, you still use Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern, because no matter what people think of the film, if you watch the film minus the mid-credit sequence, Green Lantern is a complete story that basically let's the viewer make up their own assumptions as to what Hal Jordan accomplished as Green Lantern. You don't even need a sequel for that.

So everyone just forgot about that huge alien entity that attacked Coast City at the end of Green Lantern? You would have to ignore the events of that movie.

[Tony Stark]

So everyone just forgot about that huge alien entity that attacked Coast City at the end of Green Lantern? You would have to ignore the events of that movie.

Um, everyone did ignore the events of that movie. MoS seems like a good starting place for a DCCU, as it looks to be a quality production and restarts the Superman methos.

[mat-chow]

It would never happen, but imagine a post credits scene where they showed reaction shots from the other soon-to-be-JLers. Say they showed WW, Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Aquaman. And the final shot, a familiar cave where CHRISTIAN BALE is watching Superman on TV. I would just about die, lol.:yay:

But that would never happen...

[I Am The Knight]

Um, everyone did ignore the events of that movie. MoS seems like a good starting place for a DCCU, as it looks to be a quality production and restarts the Superman methos.

Did you even read the post I was quoting?

And what is a "meth"os? You on drugs, son?

[Tony Stark]

Did you even read the post I was quoting?

And what is a "meth"os? You on drugs, son?

mythos or from mythology.

[HighFivingMF]

I asked El Mayimbe, who has a treatment, on Twitter that since he's waiting to leak details if he could say which GL was in the treatment. He said it was Hal.

[protocida]

Cool.

[Doctor Jones]

God, I really want to read about this treatment.

[protocida]

Knowing El_Mayimbe, he'll hold on to it until Warner confirms they're doing the movie.

[sethypants]

It would never happen, but imagine a post credits scene where they showed reaction shots from the other soon-to-be-JLers. Say they showed WW, Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Aquaman. And the final shot, a familiar cave where CHRISTIAN BALE is watching Superman on TV. I would just about die, lol.:yay:

But that would never happen...

If this happens I would literally just scream and cheer so loud in the cinema.

[sethypants]

Justice League release date to be in 2014?
How much can we trust cosmicbooknews? Or are they just a bunch of bull*****?

[Changeling]

Pretty sure its bullshark

[protocida]

They've got a bad rep, but I don't know why.

I guess it could be 2015 at earliest.

[Changeling]

if its 2014 release date, this movie is a lot farther along than we thought.

[sethypants]

hmmmmm but do they make up news out of thin air often?

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yes they do. They are not a news site so much as a fanfic site.

[shauner111]

I doubt it will be out before 2016

[Llama_Shepherd]

I'd say even that is hopeful. They should really take their time with it.

[TheVileOne]

I don't know why this forum is here again when there is no movie happening as of yet.

Here we go again.

[shauner111]

So Nolan says he has zero involvement in Justice League what so ever......

[Willi Berg]

So Nolan says he has zero involvement in Justice League what so ever......

That's not really surprising. What's more surprising is that the reports say he won't be involved in any future solo Batman movies, when there were those reports that Robinov said Nolan and his wife would be involved in producing. If Nolan isn't involved in Justice League or Batman anymore, then maybe WB will go ahead with what it wants with Batman and JL without waiting for Nolan's plans.

[Llama_Shepherd]

I hope the split was amicable, because it could do wonders to keep Goyer and Jonah on without Chris.

[Rockstar]

This doesn't sound like good news.

Nolan splits, yet only a few weeks ago Variety announced Nolan would assist with all of DC's upcoming features.

Looks like things didn't work out.

Something fell through in the negotiations.

[Willi Berg]

This doesn't sound like good news.

Nolan splits, yet only a few weeks ago Variety announced Nolan would assist with all of DC's upcoming features.

Looks like things didn't work out.

Something fell through in the negotiations.

I wonder if WB is just itching to do something with Batman in JL because of the Avengers success and Nolan doesn't like the idea of Batman in a Justice League movie.

[Rockstar]

I hope that's not the reason Nolan is bailing now.

WB may have shot themselves in the foot by losing him and his team.

I don't have faith they can pull off these properties right now without him, especially after their attempt with Green Lantern.

[sethypants]

aw man. this kinda sucks.

[shauner111]

This really blows.

Didn't Emma say just a while ago that they're producing the reboot still? I mean, the report of Nolan being attached to future DC properties wasn't out of Nolans mouth..it could have been one of those "WB is trying to negotiate with Chris". And plans fell through.

But maybe Nolan will still attach himself to the reboot and just help hire the director and bow out. Maybe he doesnt want his name attached as producer cuz he wont be as involved in it as he is with Man of Steel. Who knows where it's gonna go but this really sucks!

It sucks for Justice League and the rest of DC's characters. But maybe it doesnt suck for Batmans future. WB will still be influenced by Nolan and want the next round of movies to have a dark and more serious tone. I wish Nolan was there to hire the director but hopefully they make the right choice themselves.

I think it allows the next guy to completely have his own vision though without people worrying that Nolan might be there making all the decisions secretely & trying to keep EVERYTHING realistic.

[Dr.]

This really blows.

Didn't Emma say just a while ago that they're producing the reboot still? I think it was Robinov (?) who mentioned that Nolan would stay on to produce a rebooted franchise. That appears to be wishful thinking. By all indications, Nolan (with TDKR) is “closing the book” on his particular take of Batman. So it would be odd for him to enthusiastically oversee a different version - as if he doesn’t fully stand behind his own trilogy.

[The Infernal]

Personally I'm fine with Nolan leaving. I never expected him to be on board until I heard the reports that he would be. At least this way it will give the chance for those tackling projects like JLA or Batman to go with a different take on those properties from what Nolan has done or would envision.

[LostSon88]

Is this really a surprise?

JL never really seemed like something he was ever particularly interested in.

[Raiden]

That's not really surprising. What's more surprising is that the reports say he won't be involved in any future solo Batman movies, when there were those reports that Robinov said Nolan and his wife would be involved in producing. If Nolan isn't involved in Justice League or Batman anymore, then maybe WB will go ahead with what it wants with Batman and JL without waiting for Nolan's plans.

I'm not too surprised by this news. Chris Nolan is an artist, and he has his own unique vision on the films he makes, and Justice League will be a massive project that will be monitored closely by WB, leaving little room for Nolan to put his own stamp on things. Fans pointed to MOS as the reason why Nolan could be involved in JL and future Batman movies, but he actually only took care of the movie in the early stages, like during the hiring of Zack Snyder, and did not stick around to caretake rest of the movie. I think for a visionary filmmaker like Nolan is, once he is finished with his Batman trilogy, he will wash his hands off the superhero genre and move on to something else. He is the type who is probably the most comfortable making movies based on his own ideas, and not somebody else's.

[Willi Berg]

Didn't Emma say just a while ago that they're producing the reboot still? I mean, the report of Nolan being attached to future DC properties wasn't out of Nolans mouth..it could have been one of those "WB is trying to negotiate with Chris". And plans fell through.

It was Jeff Robinov:

“We have the third Batman, but then we’ll have to reinvent Batman…Chris Nolan and [producing partner and wife] Emma Thomas will be producing it, so it will be a conversation with them about what the next phase is.”

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/03/29/justice-league-the-movie-warner-chief-sets-sights-on-team-up-film-and-reinventing-batman/

though Robinov is always talking plans for the DC movies over at WB and has been for years now and he is always thinking in the moment and most of it doesn't pan out that way. And the "conversation" could've been Nolan saying let another director have their take on it.

As long as they choose the right people, like an Aronofsky or Fincher etc., then they wouldn't need Nolan. If a big name director is attached then that director probably wouldn't want another director's involvement anyway. If Nolan is still attached as producer then that could just be an investment and he wouldn't need to be involved.

[TheVileOne]

Not like Nolan has proven he can make any of these properties work other than Batman.

[sethypants]

I suddenly feel so pessimistic about the future of DC films.
Its not really that I'm a die hard Nolans fan. But without him, it seems like wb would be taking much longer to get Justice League on the big screen. I have a feeling we may never get to see the Justice League.

[Willi Berg]

I suddenly feel so pessimistic about the future of DC films.
Its not really that I'm a die hard Nolans fan. But without him, it seems like wb would be taking much longer to get Justice League on the big screen. I have a feeling we may never get to see the Justice League.

I don't get this. I never saw Nolan as the key to a JL movie being made. I never saw any enthusiasm from him regarding JL and his Batman movies actually prevented a JL movie being made, because WB didn't want their plans for a JL movie to clash with his Batman movies.

All we know now is that a JL script is being worked on. If WB are happy with it then they hire a director, and there are a few good ones out there. WB has to decide what to do about Superman sequels, the Batman reboot and where a JL movie fits into all that.

[shauner111]

I know it was Robinov who said that, but i could have sworn i read an article on the Dark Knight Rises forum where Emma was asked about the reboot. Anyways..

Whether Nolans attached or not, as long as they are inspired by his way of thinking. I dont mean "realism" i mean a vision that takes it a little more seriously, hiring great filmmakers and actors who nail the characters then they should be fine.

[Iceman]

TMOS not being a part of JL will cause a big delay if it works out like that. I really can't see how 2 film Supermans can survive at the same time. He's too definitive a character. And I don't think Zak Penn deserves the same go-it-alone license as Nolan when he's creating a character that is much more fantastical.

[Willi Berg]

TMOS not being a part of JL will cause a big delay if it works out like that. I really can't see how 2 film Supermans can survive at the same time. He's too definitive a character. And I don't think Zak Penn deserves the same go-it-alone license as Nolan when he's creating a character that is much more fantastical.

Yeah the only way I see JL happening in terms of Snyder and Superman is if they have convinced him (or told him) that his version of Superman ties into a JL movie. WB would also have to get Cavill to go with those plans too.

It is tricky- when watching Avengers you could see that they were trying not to interfere too much with the solo movies' plotlines- nothing much addressed about Captain America's past and keeping Thor's plotlines separate ie. with the Rainbow Bridge (Bifrost) destroyed, him coming to Earth via dark magic, making sure Jane was out of the picture... They could pull it off with Superman, though you do wonder how they would deal with the presence of a Justice League when Superman is in his solo movies.

[shauner111]

Just saw a new Christian Bale interview, the end of it the interviewer asks him if he would return for Justice League, because "there were rumours that you might be a part of a Justice League movie". And he said he had no idea, didn't talk to anybody yet about it, and he doesnt know if its even in Nolans Batman continuity. But says it's pretty much over cuz that's what Nolan says.

So obviously we all know itll never happen because Nolans not involved. But i thought that was interesting. The fact that it seemed like Bale would certainly be open to it or another Batman if Nolan was into mixing his Bats with JLA.

[batman44]

As a Nolan fan, I'm fine with him not being involved. Yeah, it would've been nice, but the development of these projects should not rest on his shoulders. There are plenty of other directors, producers, etc who are capable of putting together a great movie.

[Cobblepot]

Great news, while i like Nolan's take alot. I really want to see characters like Killer Croc, Man-Bat, Clayface on the silverscreen. No more realism ********, pure dark fantasy it's a movie for all sakes.

[shauner111]

Can care less about Man Bat and Clayface and all the goofy overly fantastical characters but some fantasy needs to happen to make it different from Nolans. I dont want the new crew stepping on Nolans vision. No watered down repeats of his trilogy thank you.

I still have high hopes for the Flash movie as well as Wonder Woman. Nothing too goofy hopefully.

[az824]

I think that interview is being misinterpreted. I'm pretty sure he meant that his version of batman (christian bale) is not going to be involved in a JL movie, which almost all of us figured.

[TheVileOne]

I like Nolan and all but at this point I would want some new vision on this. His involvement would not be imperative to the success of this project.

[Bruce_Begins]

It seems that Nolan will be producer just for MOS movie and sequels to MOS may not have Nolan attached as a producer which could allow Cavill's Superman to be included for other DC movies (like Worlds Finest, Justice League)

This means that the new Batman movie can be a part of larger DC universe too.

[Project862006]

my dream JLA director would be brad bird

[Rockstar]

MY guess is this JLA business is what caused him to jump ship.

[ThePowerCosmic]

my dream JLA director would be brad bird

Oh, god... That would be a dream come true for me.

[ThePowerCosmic]

TMOS not being a part of JL will cause a big delay if it works out like that. I really can't see how 2 film Supermans can survive at the same time. He's too definitive a character. And I don't think Zak Penn deserves the same go-it-alone license as Nolan when he's creating a character that is much more fantastical.

The 2 Supermans thing is ********. WB knows full and well how ridiculous it would be to have two Supermans at the same time. After the success of The Avengers, I'm betting MoS will be the beginning of a connected DC Universe.

[Iceman]

The 2 Supermans thing is ********. WB knows full and well how ridiculous it would be to have two Supermans at the same time. After the success of The Avengers, I'm betting MoS will be the beginning of a connected DC Universe.It's the only way I can see it work if they want to do JL in the next 6 or so years.

[Raiden]

It's the only way I can see it work if they want to do JL in the next 6 or so years.

Doesn't DC still have that ongoing court battle regarding the Superman copyright issue? I think it may be premature to assume that they have full control over the Superman brand before the vedict is reached. Isn't this the reason why WB has been trying to rush out MOS by 2013?