BEWARE Spoilers: 11.2 - DETECTIVE - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[ironman29758]

This Thread is for the second episode(#5-9 print issues and digital chapters) of Smallville season 11:

http://blueskybriccabraq.squarespace.com/blog/2012/6/11/information-attack-smallville-season-11-5.html (http://blueskybriccabraq.squarespace.com/blog/2012/6/11/information-attack-smallville-season-11-5.html)

I feel like I've been sitting on a Christmas present for everyone since January. Here you go. Unwrap away... in 2 months!
Fans have been waiting for this for a VERY long time. As both a fan and a writer, I am more than pleased to announce the arrival of a MAJOR DC universe player in the second episode of Smallville Season 11...
"DETECTIVE"
(PART 1 of 4)
http://blueskybriccabraq.squarespace.com/storage/Screen%20shot%202012-06-11%20at%201.30.49%20PM.png?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERS ION=1339446718762(not final cover - colors, coming soon!)
SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 #5
Written by BRYAN Q. MILLER
Art and cover by CHRISCROSS and MARC DEERING
On sale SEPTEMBER 5 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T
• These stories are in print for the first time after appearing online.
• SUPERMAN comes face-to-face with high-tech weapons on the streets of Metropolis.
• The hunt for his parents’ killer puts a vigilante known only as “the BATMAN” on a collision course with The Man of Steel…
(via DC Comics (http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2012/06/11/beyond-dc-comics-the-new-52-group-solicits))
Contact your local comic shop and pre-order, pre-order, pre-order, Gang.


http://www.ksitetv.com/smallville/smallville-season-11-comic-news-superman-batman-finally-meet/14817

[Llama_Shepherd]

That suit is seven shades of awful.

[dru-zod2501]

That suit is seven shades of awful.
yeah. Moderately interested. Batman's Fugly.

[Dangerman]

That suit is seven shades of awful.
Agreed. Had this been the suit they used during the series run there would have been no mod that could have protected the SV board from their wrath. On a side note though fans who asked and pushed for this book really need to step up and buy it. The debut issue came in at 98th of the top 100 comics of last month. If it doesn't do any better it will be canceled.

[Webhead2006]

First great to see we are indeed finally getting batman in sv universe. After teases before and bq, hinting towards it before. Definately can't wait to see how bqm writes him and fits him into the sv world. The cover looks interresting only thing I don't like is the overrally huge bat symbol.

[vantheman77]

This is awesome as we get to see what Batman would be like in Smallville. I can't wait to see how their meeting goes.

[ironman29758]

http://www.catstaggs.com/2012/06/11/holy-batman-smallville/


Holy Batman, Smallville!! Phantom Lady #2

June 11, 2012
So getting to draw Superman was amazing and now I get to add the Dark knight to the list! HOLY PINCH ME, BATMAN!
The September solicits are out and look who is coming to Smallville!


As usual I am doing the digital covers and here is a teaser for Detective
http://www.catstaggs.com/wp-content/gallery/weblinks/bathead.jpg


looks a little better but just waiting to see it colored in.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Agreed. Had this been the suit they used during the series run there would have been no mod that could have protected the SV board from their wrath. On a side note though fans who asked and pushed for this book really need to step up and buy it. The debut issue came in at 98th of the top 100 comics of last month. If it doesn't do any better it will be canceled.I'm not a fan of the digital format. It doesn't satisfy me and still leaves me wanting a hard copy. But in saying that I'm waiting on the trades. I think this might have worked better in the way they're releasing the Earth One line.

[Webhead2006]

Personally the earh one line been taking for ever for release. So I rather take a book coming out every month over earth one long wait/delays.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Personally the earh one line been taking for ever for release. So I rather take a book coming out every month over earth one long wait/delays.
Well the way the Earth One line was intended to be released then.

[Binker]

It looks like a Batman manga, a badly made Batman manga, and this is coming from a guy who like japanese...anything. I hope it changes, but then again it most likely will. I mean we didn't really know what to think about the SUperman suit until more images came out.

[Rockstar]

It's Owlman from the Crime Syndicate.


Better question is who's that masked guy in the background? Looks almost like a female version of Robin.

[Webhead2006]

well the article does say its not final art, plus since its only cover art maybe the final art will look better/different.

[Rockstar]

Hmmm. Apparently Batman's female sidekick is some hybrid of the Katanna character and Robin.

She's wielding a sword.

[Johnny]

Every costume introduced in Smallville had the same reception. Doesn't surprise me one bit people don't like something different yet again.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Agreed. Had this been the suit they used during the series run there would have been no mod that could have protected the SV board from their wrath. On a side note though fans who asked and pushed for this book really need to step up and buy it. The debut issue came in at 98th of the top 100 comics of last month. If it doesn't do any better it will be canceled.

that may be the paper comics, but supposedly the digital issues were doing pretty well.

[Dangerman]

I hope so because I do like this season 11 and while I am not crazy about the suits (and because it is a change just because they looks god awful) I really enjoy the writing and story and can actually see this happening on the show. So I hope to see it continue because if the digital is selling like the paper comics it might not last because what we may consider as selling well my not be the same in comic standards.

[Young Superman]

AWESOME! It's about time The Dark Knight came to Smallville.

[Young Superman]

That suit is seven shades of awful.

Personally I want to see it in color before I write it of as bad.

[cronosred]

On a side note though fans who asked and pushed for this book really need to step up and buy it. The debut issue came in at 98th of the top 100 comics of last month. If it doesn't do any better it will be canceled.

Maybe it would help if they started releasing the print issues with the good cover art they save for the digital issues instead of the crappy ones they've been using for the print issues.

[Milos]

He better have some interaction with Chloe, since she is the only one who actually knows him!

[Johnny]

Milos actually has a point lol.

[Webhead2006]

I am sure bqm won't forget that.

[JosephCAW]

I dont have a problem with the overall suit.....just the mask....he's "BAT"man, why does his mask look like a Owl?

[Johnny]

Maybe BQM and Pere Perez are into the Court of Owls storyline. ;)

[BH/HHH]

I love that the Smallville universe has its own versions of costumes.

[Kal-El.9859]

this suit looks awful...don't like it in the least little bit

[kal-elrebooted]

I'm not that much of a batman fan and I don't like the costume

[Young Superman]

I wonder what Bruce Wayne will look like in the Smallville universe?

[KalKai]

Now watch how those who disliked the costume are gonna like it.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Smallville-Season-11-1048845.aspx

Smallville Season 11 Comic Book Welcomes Batman — and Nightwing!

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Content/120611/News/4_thurs/120614mag-Smallville1.jpg

For years Smallville (http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/smallville/100398) fans clamored for a guest appearance by Batman. And they weren't the only ones: Producers frequently tried to get the Dark Knight (or at least his alter ego, Bruce Wayne) to swing into young Clark Kent's world. Alas, corporate red tape kept the ultimate team-up from happening — until now.

As announced earlier this week, Batman will finally find his way to Metropolis (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/smallville-season-11-2012/smallville-season-11-5) in DC Comics' digital series Smallville Season 11 (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Smallville-Season11-Comic-1042919.aspx), the continuation of the late, great WB/CW show. And he won't be coming alone. Series writer Bryan Q. Miller (who also wrote for the TV version) tells TV Guide Magazine that Batman's partner is none other than Nightwing.
In a twist, the character behind the mask is Stephanie Brown, rather than Dick Grayson, the former Robin, who ultimately became Nightwing in the comics. Stephanie debuted in the DC Comics universe as the vigilante Spoiler. She later became Batgirl, in a series Miller wrote (http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/batgirl-batgirl-rising) from 2009-11.

This new version of the Dynamic Duo comes to Metropolis to follow a lead on the man who killed Bruce's parents. It was those murdered that spurred him into a life of caped crusading. "Batman's been operating in a vigilante/urban legend capacity for probably a little bit longer than when Clark started being The Blur," Miller says, referring to Clark's pre-Superman identity on the TV series.

As to why he picked Stephanie for the sidekick slot, Miller says, "Bruce can be somewhat of an angry man. Stephanie's personality is so can-do and unsinkable and bright, so it's very much on purpose on Bruce's part that he has a good cop going out on patrol with him every night." (Miller says it will eventually be addressed as to why Stephanie is Nightwing in this comic and not Batgirl.)

Batman and Nightwing show up in early August in a digital-first chapter of the series. (Printed collections of the chapters come out monthly, with the start of this arc slated to go on sale in September.)

"I'm thrilled by how it's been received so far," Miller says of Season 11's positive feedback and strong sales. (DC says that it's consistently one of their top 10 digital comics.) "Even with this Batman announcement there's a heavy amount of griping about Batman's armor [as seen in the preview image above]. But people are talking about it, which is not necessarily a bad thing. And I'm hearing from people that it's bringing them to comic shops and the DC app, and they're discovering all kinds of other comics. In the best way, I think it's a good gateway drug for all of the storytelling that DC has to offer."

[vantheman77]

The batsuit looks better when it's colored. I'm surprised that they'd have Stephanie Brown as Nightwing and not Robin. However I'm not surprised that Batman started his career a little bit longer than Superman, but does this mean that Oliver is more experienced than Batman or about the same time?

[Rockstar]

Stephanie Brown... as Nightwing?


So bizarre.

[The Boy Scout]

Wow. If that's the Batsuit we would've gotten if Batman was ever allowed on the show, I'm glad they were never allowed to use him.

But I will say it looks a lot better in color.

[Young Superman]

Stephanie Brown... as Nightwing?


So bizarre.

I agree.

[ironman29758]

I agree.

well this is this is the smallville universe, the very same universe:

-Bart Allen is the Flash with basiaclly Barry and Wally's origin and founding member of JLA and has combination of Wally, Barry and Bart elements from the comics(like Wally West in STAS, JL/JLU cartoons),

-Cyborg is a Founding JL Member (before new 52 came along and when almost no one remember the Super Powers team:the galactic guardians cartoon/final superfriends cartoon)

-Mia Dearden became Speedy before Roy Harper

-Blue Beetle was Jaime Reyes while Ted Kord never takes the identity of Blue Beetle from Dan Garret,who died after failing to control the scarab

etc. This is nothing new, imo.

[ironman29758]

Now watch how those who disliked the costume are gonna like it.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Smallville-Season-11-1048845.aspx

Smallville Season 11 Comic Book Welcomes Batman — and Nightwing!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120615042316/smallville/images/6/60/Batman_Smallville_579926_481703705177763_834901972 _n.jpg

For years Smallville (http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/smallville/100398) fans clamored for a guest appearance by Batman. And they weren't the only ones: Producers frequently tried to get the Dark Knight (or at least his alter ego, Bruce Wayne) to swing into young Clark Kent's world. Alas, corporate red tape kept the ultimate team-up from happening — until now.

As announced earlier this week, Batman will finally find his way to Metropolis (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/smallville-season-11-2012/smallville-season-11-5) in DC Comics' digital series Smallville Season 11 (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Smallville-Season11-Comic-1042919.aspx), the continuation of the late, great WB/CW show. And he won't be coming alone. Series writer Bryan Q. Miller (who also wrote for the TV version) tells TV Guide Magazine that Batman's partner is none other than Nightwing.
In a twist, the character behind the mask is Stephanie Brown, rather than Dick Grayson, the former Robin, who ultimately became Nightwing in the comics. Stephanie debuted in the DC Comics universe as the vigilante Spoiler. She later became Batgirl, in a series Miller wrote (http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/batgirl-batgirl-rising) from 2009-11.

This new version of the Dynamic Duo comes to Metropolis to follow a lead on the man who killed Bruce's parents. It was those murdered that spurred him into a life of caped crusading. "Batman's been operating in a vigilante/urban legend capacity for probably a little bit longer than when Clark started being The Blur," Miller says, referring to Clark's pre-Superman identity on the TV series.

As to why he picked Stephanie for the sidekick slot, Miller says, "Bruce can be somewhat of an angry man. Stephanie's personality is so can-do and unsinkable and bright, so it's very much on purpose on Bruce's part that he has a good cop going out on patrol with him every night." (Miller says it will eventually be addressed as to why Stephanie is Nightwing in this comic and not Batgirl.)

Batman and Nightwing show up in early August in a digital-first chapter of the series. (Printed collections of the chapters come out monthly, with the start of this arc slated to go on sale in September.)

"I'm thrilled by how it's been received so far," Miller says of Season 11's positive feedback and strong sales. (DC says that it's consistently one of their top 10 digital comics.) "Even with this Batman announcement there's a heavy amount of griping about Batman's armor [as seen in the preview image above]. But people are talking about it, which is not necessarily a bad thing. And I'm hearing from people that it's bringing them to comic shops and the DC app, and they're discovering all kinds of other comics. In the best way, I think it's a good gateway drug for all of the storytelling that DC has to offer."

kind of looking forward to seeing Superman being the veteren hero and Batman being the rookie. But who knows maybe we'll still see that. still looking good so far.

[Rockstar]

Batman isn't a Rookie. He's been operating longer than Supes here.

Why is his Batman's skin black in the mouth area?

Facepaint?

[ironman29758]

Batman isn't a Rookie. He's been operating longer than Supes here.

Why is his Batman's skin black in the mouth area?

Facepaint?

I know that they said Batman has been operating longer than the Blur/Supes (If you don't count Clark saving people, stopping meteor freaks and stoping disasters since he was a teen as well as helping the JL/teaming up with future superheroes )
but when I say Batman is more of a loner vigilante hunting for his parent's killer than a superhero(when I say superhero I have JL/JLU Batman, The Batman season 5, Batman Brave and the Bold, the Superfriends cartoons or Batman in the comics in mind) while Clark has learned to work with the Justice League or work on a bigger team so maybe Clark can introduce him to the JL and teach him what s6/s7 Ollie was trying to teach s6/s7 Clark: that instead of just hunting for his parent's killer there is whole world out there that could use a hero and maybe Bruce should lighten up.

I think this could be like basiaclly a Smallville Hero of the week episode like Aqua, Arrow,Siren or Hex meet the 3 part World's Finest episodes of The Batman season 5 2 part premeire.

The Black face you're talking about I think that's just shadowing

[smallville fan]

So this is Batman, not bad, as for Robin/Nightwing...WHY?! It would've been so awesome to have seen Dick Grayson, then we might've had some potential for great Young Justice-ish action with Superboy/Wonder Twins/Speedy/Stargirl but it's Smallville I suppose, I guess they wanted to keep some elements of the old show(such as Mia Dearden being Speedy instead of Roy Harper).

I don't mind that Batman's first sidekick is a girl in the comic, it would've been better that it would've been Barbra Gordon(she would've made a better "good cop" to Batman's bad cop personality considering she would've learned a thing or two from her father) or it would've been even more interesting to introduce the new sidekick as Huntress as in the Helena Bertinelli version which could have potential for some Birds of Prey action? maybe?...

[Johnny]

Who said Dick Grayson doesn't exist in the Smallville universe? What if he died or something, and maybe that's why Steph took on the Nightwing mantle. As always people love to jump to conclusions without knowing the facts behind anything.

[smallville fan]

Who said Dick Grayson doesn't exist in the Smallville universe? What if he died or something, and maybe that's why Steph took on the Nightwing mantle. As always people love to jump to conclusions without knowing the facts behind anything.

So you are saying that in the Smallville universe Dick Grayson=Jason Todd?

[Johnny]

I'm sayin that anything could've happened. Maybe Dick was Robin and Nightwing but he was killed or retired for some reason, who knows. That's the beauty of Elseworlds, anything goes. I'm just annoyed by some of the things I see online with fans once again complaining about anything they can think of. Whether it's Batman's costume or Dick Grayson's absence as Nightwing, why people can't just sit back, read it and pass judgment later? Never happy, always looking for things to complain about. I've always being irritated by any type of fans, but comicbook fandom to me is one of the worst.

[Dangerman]

Smallville has taken some great liberties with some of their heroes but I am not liking what they did with Batman so far. While the suit does look better color I still don't like it and I am even more against Stephanie Brown being Nightwing of all people. I would have been ok with her being Robin but Nightwing is Dick's title and it should stay that way. There was symbolism behind Nightwing showing Dick Grayson's growth from who he was to who he is now. Stephanie has not earned that honor. Hell she barely earned the right to be called Robin. But then again this is the SV world and it wouldn't have felt like SV without some controversy. But I still don't like it.

[Dangerman]

I'm sayin that anything could've happened. Maybe Dick was Robin and Nightwing but he was killed or retired for some reason, who knows. That's the beauty of Elseworlds, anything goes. I'm just annoyed by some of the things I see online with fans once again complaining about anything they can think of. Whether it's Batman's costume or Dick Grayson's absence as Nightwing, why people can't just sit back, read it and pass judgment later? Never happy, always looking for things to complain about. I've always being irritated by any type of fans, but comicbook fandom to me is one of the worst.
That's because to some people Dick Grayson may mean a lot to them or been their favorite hero and to see him passed over for Stephanie Brown may upset people considering you read her in the comics. Also if you see judgement it is because most people know the history of SV and while Aquaman, Cyborg, Green Arrow, and Bart have been used they all don't have as big of a following as Batman and when you look at the picture of the suit and see that Steph is Nightwing you are going to see people upset. Regardless if it is an elseworld or not. Just be thankful it wasn't done when the show was still on the air or it could have been a lot worse.

[Young Superman]

well this is this is the smallville universe, the very same universe:

-Bart Allen is the Flash with basiaclly Barry and Wally's origin and founding member of JLA and has combination of Wally, Barry and Bart elements from the comics(like Wally West in STAS, JL/JLU cartoons),

-Cyborg is a Founding JL Member (before new 52 came along and when almost no one remember the Super Powers team:the galactic guardians cartoon/final superfriends cartoon)

-Mia Dearden became Speedy before Roy Harper

-Blue Beetle was Jaime Reyes while Ted Kord never takes the identity of Blue Beetle from Dan Garret,who died after failing to control the scarab

etc. This is nothing new, imo.

Guud point.



Batman isn't a Rookie. He's been operating longer than Supes here.

Why is his Batman's skin black in the mouth area?

Facepaint?

That's a good good question. I was wondering too.

[Johnny]

That's because to some people Dick Grayson may mean a lot to them or been their favorite hero and to see him passed over for Stephanie Brown may upset people considering you read her in the comics. Also if you see judgement it is because most people know the history of SV and while Aquaman, Cyborg, Green Arrow, and Bart have been used they all don't have as big of a following as Batman and when you look at the picture of the suit and see that Steph is Nightwing you are going to see people upset. Regardless if it is an elseworld or not. Just be thankful it wasn't done when the show was still on the air or it could have been a lot worse.

If people are unable to see beyond their own personal desires, then that's their problem. It's very easy to complain about something. Well that's not me. It's one thing to doubt something and express your mind on it, cuz we're not supposed to agree with everything companies throw at us. That's very true and I totally support it. But to be so close-minded and make such harsh judgments about something without knowing any of the facts is downright stupid. And when they do things like that I'm gonna call them out for the fools they make themselves of. I won't be thankful for anything, had Batman appeared on the show back in the day, if people reacted in such a retarded way again without knowing the facts again, they would've proved to me yet again how bad they suck. I'm ashamed to see what comic book fans have become.

[Dangerman]

If people are unable to see beyond their own personal desires, then that's their problem. It's very easy to complain about something. Well that's not me. It's one thing to doubt something and express your mind on it, cuz we're not supposed to agree with everything companies throw at us. That's very true and I totally support it. But to be so close-minded and make such harsh judgments about something without knowing any of the facts is downright stupid. And when they do things like that I'm gonna call them out for the fools they make themselves of. I won't be thankful for anything, had Batman appeared on the show back in the day, if people reacted in such a retarded way again without knowing the facts again, they would've proved to me yet again how bad they suck. I'm ashamed to see what comic book fans have become.But its still a Batman fans right to complain when it is their hero being dealt with. There is nothing wrong with them voicing their outrage or stating how they feel. Just like there was nothing wrong when Alan Scott fans got upset when they turned their hero gay before reading it or new 52 Superman's outfit. I actually can see why some fans might prejudge this book because given SV past history when using other heroes (not written by Johns) they have a right to be worried. However even though this might not be the exact same thing as long as it carries the name people will always worry. That's just SV curse now. The sad part is it turned many comic fans off that you prejudge it and move on when really this is a great book.

[RavenX]

so this Steph is not blonde.......but has........purple hair??

[Dangerman]

so this Steph is not blonde.......but has........purple hair??It looks like it will have Steph attitude with Cassandra's fighting skills.

[RavenX]

It looks like it will have Steph attitude with Cassandra's fighting skills.

I like that!!

but I wish she still had blonde hair, though.....

[RavenX]

oh, and is this supposed to be an actual comic or still a digital comic??

[Llama_Shepherd]

Now that I've had time to think it over:

He's made Stephanie far more important to Batman than she is in a role that, given his justification for her use, and the identity, should have been fulfilled by Grayson. Although she was decent as Batgirl, written by Miller, to me she will never ascend to anything higher than a supporting character to Tim Drake, hence why she was the lowest ranked member of the Bat-Family. He passed over several better characters for a character he is already familiar with and I bet will turn into a Mary Sue.

I don't don't like that, I don't like Batman's look and I'm not going to pick this up.

[RavenX]

eh.......I don't really mind. It's a different universe, so I'm willing to see how it goes.

I've always wondered what Steph would be like as Nightwing. Besides, this Steph could be portrayed much stronger.

[Dangerman]

Now that I've had time to think it over:

He's made Stephanie far more important to Batman than she is in a role that, given his justification for her use, and the identity, should have been fulfilled by Grayson. Although she was decent as Batgirl, written by Miller, to me she will never ascend to anything higher than a supporting character to Tim Drake, hence why she was the lowest ranked member of the Bat-Family. He passed over several better characters for a character he is already familiar with and I bet will turn into a Mary Sue.

I don't don't like that, I don't like Batman's look and I'm not going to pick this up.Agreed on Steph's role and place in the Bat family. Even in Batgirl she really didn't get a chance to shine because the book was cancelled before she could. Also as you said I will always she her as Tim's girlfriend. She is a supporting cast member of Tim Drake more than she was Batman. But I will still give it a shot since I am a SV fan and a Superman fan but I disagree with using her. I would have been ok with any of the four Robins but her. I get the reason for why the JL turned out the way it did on the show and that was because over 95% of the league was tied up in movie rights so I get Flash, Cyborg and AC. But when you're off the air and have the DCU at your feet I don't get why you would use Steph when Dick could serve in that role unless they make Steph his lover or something like that as well.

eh.......I don't really mind. It's a different universe, so I'm willing to see how it goes.

I've always wondered what Steph would be like as Nightwing. Besides, this Steph could be portrayed much stronger.
I hope you're right.

[ironman29758]

I like that!!

but I wish she still had blonde hair, though.....

On Bryan Q. Miller's twitter he said the black hair is really a wig and she still a blonde.

[RavenX]

On Bryan Q. Miller's twitter he said the black hair is really a wig and she still a blonde.

really??!! cool!!

[Johnny]

But its still a Batman fans right to complain when it is their hero being dealt with. There is nothing wrong with them voicing their outrage or stating how they feel. Just like there was nothing wrong when Alan Scott fans got upset when they turned their hero gay before reading it or new 52 Superman's outfit. I actually can see why some fans might prejudge this book because given SV past history when using other heroes (not written by Johns) they have a right to be worried. However even though this might not be the exact same thing as long as it carries the name people will always worry. That's just SV curse now. The sad part is it turned many comic fans off that you prejudge it and move on when really this is a great book.

Fans prejudging something is maybe why I'm prejudiced towards them as well. I don't understand what the big deal is in turning Alan Scott gay, his personality traits are not defined by his sexuality and fans complaining about this I view it simply as homophobic. Like I said, they have the right to praise or criticize anything they want, I'm simply annoyed by how they take it too far every time something doesn't go according to their delight, again without knowing anything about it. In my opinion Smallville hasn't done nearly as bad with most comicbook characters as they say it did and I could never understand moaning about changing the characters and mythos in a show, where the exact goal was to show something different in the first place. I don't like these guys cuz most times they are illogical and they **** on anything they don't seem to understand.

[Webhead2006]

I too wish we had the better covers for print ones. But heck some times I don't care for covers its what's in the book I am really looking for.

Also interesting move going with a female sidekick for the smallville story. I do wonder if there is/going to be a male robin/female batgirl in the sv universe too. I don't know much on the stephaine brown character. So I am not to made there. Just more curious why she is going with the knightwing mantle. Compared to just being robin/batgirl/spoiler names she has gone for in regular dc books.

[JosephCAW]

not a big surprise, Smallville`s done this before, for example Green Arrow in the comics had Roy Harper as his first side kick, on Smallville he went straight to Mia Darden (or however you spell her last name).

It`s dumb and wasn't justified, but they did it anyway so now that the shows a comic now why should it be any different.

The did the same thing with Blue Beetle, granted Ted Kord was in the show but he was completely bypassed as Blue Beetle, and Barry Allen & Wally West as the Flash, fake I.D.`s dont count since Bart also had one that said Jay Garrick and yet jay actually was shown in the Absolute Justice episodes.

When they finally get Wonder Woman on the show there probably gonna skip past Donna Troy too.

[Llama_Shepherd]

Flash never bothered since Bart and Barry have the same full name: Bartholomew Allen. Speedy didn't bother me, because Roy was one of the heroes who did more not being a sidekick, so if he were introduced as Arsenal or Red Arrow, that would be better.

But Stephanie has never been all that important to Bruce. As Spoiler, she was a supporting character to the third Robin, as Batgirl she was a subordinate to Dick as Batman, when Bruce was dead, and when he returned he sent her away to another country, because essentially, if she doesn't do as he wants, he'll shut her down.

The only time he ever actually trusted her was because he knew that Tim would need some support after his death.

But now she has been given an identity which was never hers, made famous by a better, more iconic Batman partner with a personality that compliments Batman better.

It's an awful decision made by Miller because he likes Stephanie, not because he likes Batman.

To give an allegory to another hero, it would be like Flash in this universe, let's say he's grown up and called Barry now, having Bart as his sidekick, despite the fact that Barry's sidekick is Wally and Bart is Wally's and that Barry and Bart have only interacted in a handful of issues in their entire histories and pretending their is some deep meaning to their relationship between them despite Bart only ever knowing Barry as a story.

There is nothing in established canon that would even suggest Stephanie should ever be Batman's sidekick.

[Dangerman]

Flash never bothered since Bart and Barry have the same full name: Bartholomew Allen. Speedy didn't bother me, because Roy was one of the heroes who did more not being a sidekick, so if he were introduced as Arsenal or Red Arrow, that would be better.

But Stephanie has never been all that important to Bruce. As Spoiler, she was a supporting character to the third Robin, as Batgirl she was a subordinate to Dick as Batman, when Bruce was dead, and when he returned he sent her away to another country, because essentially, if she doesn't do as he wants, he'll shut her down.

The only time he ever actually trusted her was because he knew that Tim would need some support after his death.

But now she has been given an identity which was never hers, made famous by a better, more iconic Batman partner with a personality that compliments Batman better.

It's an awful decision made by Miller because he likes Stephanie, not because he likes Batman.

To give an allegory to another hero, it would be like Flash in this universe, let's say he's grown up and called Barry now, having Bart as his sidekick, despite the fact that Barry's sidekick is Wally and Bart is Wally's and that Barry and Bart have only interacted in a handful of issues in their entire histories and pretending their is some deep meaning to their relationship between them despite Bart only ever knowing Barry as a story.

There is nothing in established canon that would even suggest Stephanie should ever be Batman's sidekick.Well there was that short time she was Robin but even then Batman didn't want her as Robin. Miller is using her because he feels he has unfinished work with her IMO. Oh well I'm still going to pick it up. I just don't care for the choice of sidekick though.

[Webhead2006]

Well sure I don't like she will be called knightwing but shouldn't we wait to see what is the story first before we say it was crap call.

[Llama_Shepherd]

We don't have to. That is a genuinely terrible call.

If for example, a solicitation were to reveal Superman was going to murder someone, no matter what the context, that's a bad decision.

[Johnny]

If for example, a solicitation were to reveal Superman was going to murder someone, no matter what the context, that's a bad decision.

This is the worst comparison I've ever read. Nightwing being someone else then Dick Grayson is as bad as Superman killing someone? Yeah, just what I said about fans earlier. In this continuity Stephanie may be much more important to Bruce. For all we know Dick Grayson might not even exist here. Look at this idea without any bias, stop comparing it to the main continuity and who was important and who was not. We don't know how Batman's life was like in here or what sidekicks he had or not. That's why we should wait to read it first.

[Llama_Shepherd]

This is the worst comparison I've ever read. Nightwing being someone else then Dick Grayson is as bad as Superman killing someone? Yeah, just what I said about fans earlier. In this continuity Stephanie may be much more important to Bruce. For all we know Dick Grayson might not even exist here. Look at this idea without any bias, stop comparing it to the main continuity and who was important and who was not. We don't know how Batman's life was like in here or what sidekicks he had or not. That's why we should wait to read it first.

Okay though, Superman is sort of a bad example given he has established character in this world, but if it's a new continuity, why can't Batman be the sidekick, to, let's say the Flash or Aquaman, I mean why not? New continuity.

[Johnny]

Maybe because Batman has never been known to be a sidekick, new continuity or not. With Dick Grayson is different cuz most people heard about Robin not Nightwing and they know Robin as Batman's sidekick. General audience probably never heard of the Nightwing persona in the first place. With Batman is the exact opposite. No matter what Elseworlds they use, he would never be anyone's sidekick and everyone is aware of that. He would either work solo or have subordinates or Bruce Wayne would've never became Batman in the first place but never a sidekick. No writer is crazy enough to do something like that, Elseworlds or not. The Nightwing/Stephanie Brown issue is not nearly as ridiculous as something like that. Sorry, another poor example on your part.

[Llama_Shepherd]

Maybe because Batman has never been known to be a sidekick, new continuity or not.


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Batman played sidekick here.

With Dick Grayson is different cuz most people heard about Robin not Nightwing and they know Robin as Batman's sidekick. General audience probably never heard of the Nightwing persona in the first place.

Oh, and this comic book is aimed at who, exactly?

With Batman is the exact opposite. No matter what Elseworlds they use, he would never be anyone's sidekick and everyone is aware of that. He would either work solo or have subordinates or Bruce Wayne would've never became Batman in the first place but never a sidekick.

Flashpoint (yeah, Thomas, but whatevs Batman), Thrillkiller. The latter of which is considered one of the best Batman elseworld tales.

No writer is crazy enough to do something like that, Elseworlds or not. The Nightwing/Stephanie Brown issue is not nearly as ridiculous as something like that.

Except one of the better elseworld tales.

Sorry, another poor example on your part.

Not really, I did it sort of as a bait, because, you don't seem to be a comic reader. This comic is not for the general audience. This is not the show, it is not read by 2 million people, it is a comic book, for the comic book audience and passed over the iconic sidekick of Dick Grayson, or even the later, actual sidekicks of Jason, Tim and Barbara in favour of a character that was a "sidekick" to Batman in the loosest sense of the term in that the only reason it happened for all of two months was so she could be killed off and it would be a surprise.

[Johnny]

Like I said - he's never been KNOWN to be a sidekick by the audience. If he was in a tale or two, fine. But not really known for it. Also, Batman/Thomas wasn't a sidekick in Flashpoint. He was a supporting character, there is a difference. You don't seem to get that. I've been a comicbook reader for years just not your typical one cuz usually I'm disgusted by most comic fans. I was actually one of the few people supporting the New 52 movement when it was announced. Turned out to be ok in the end. Smallville is as much for non-comic readers as for comic fans. I've heard from many people who read the comic and have only watched the show before, and they didn't know who Nightwing was in the first place let alone Red Hood, Tim Drake or Damian. There's no "the" iconic sidekick in Smallville or if there is or was, we're yet to find out about it. There is a reason Miller chose Stephanie beside the fact that he seems to have a personal connection to the character.

[Llama_Shepherd]

Like I said - he's never been KNOWN to be a sidekick by the audience. If he was in a tale or two, fine. But not really known for it.

That miniseries has Bruce Wayne as a sidekick to Barbara Gordon more than Stephanie had been to Bruce Wayne.

Also, Batman/Thomas wasn't a sidekick in Flashpoint. He was a supporting character, there is a difference. You don't seem to get that.

He played second fiddle to Flash and followed his orders because Flash was the only person who could save the day, he fulfilled the sidekick role.

I've been a comicbook reader for years just not your typical one cuz usually I'm disgusted by most comic fans. I was actually one of the few people supporting the New 52 movement when it was announced. Turned out to be ok in the end.

What does the New 52 have to do with Smallville?

Smallville is as much for non-comic readers as for comic fans. I've heard from many people who read the comic and have only watched the show before, and they didn't know who Nightwing was in the first place let alone Red Hood, Tim Drake or Damian.

Smallville: The Comic Book is not appealing to the mass audience though. Not like the TV show did. It's biggest success will undoubtedly be from the market already established and the market this story exists in.

There's no "the" iconic sidekick in Smallville or if there is or was, we're yet to find out about it.

The reason that Dick Grayson's Robin is the iconic sidekick is because he is a pop culture icon. Smallville doesn't account into that, it is a very small portion of the genre, not the entirety of it, the show didn't exactly have a huge effect, but that's normal now, Heath Ledger's Joker is not the norm.

There is a reason Miller chose Stephanie beside the fact that he seems to have a personal connection to the character.

The only reason he gave is because she has a bright personality. If only a character already existed like that, and had a codename like Nightwing.

[Johnny]

I don't care to what extent Batman was a sidekick to someone in some mini-series, Batman is not known by any type of audience to be primarily a sidekick. There's no point to introduce him in a whole different and popular universe and make him one. The New 52 was an example about fans complaining about something like this here, which I chose to keep an open mind for, like I do for this here, not that it was connected to Smallville specifically. I don't care to what fans the comic tries to appeal, fact is both fans and non-fans read it and not all of them know or mind changes in certain specifics about characters like Batman's different sidekicks. OK, Dick Grayson is the most famous sidekick, Barry Allen is the most famous Flash too but they used Bart in the show not him, even though at first it may not make sense to use him in stead of the more popular ones. Here is the same thing - they didn't choose the most popular Robin or Nightwing but someone else. Big deal, Bart Allen was never the best known speedster and they showed him well on the show, what is the problem in trying the same with Stephanie, despite her never been a prominent sidekick before, too? I honestly don't understand what's your problem with this.

[Webhead2006]

Oh come on big deal she is called knightwing like I said I don't know much on character but bqm probably has a good story in mind. So let's judge the story when we have all the details.

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't care to what extent Batman was a sidekick to someone in some mini-series, Batman is not known by any type of audience to be primarily a sidekick.

Unlike Stephanie? Who was a sidekick for 2 months of her twenty ish year existence. So less than 1/100th of her history is as a sidekick, in a story in which, the writers themselves wanted no part in.


There's no point to introduce him in a whole different and popular universe and make him one.

Just like how I see there's no point in bringing in Stephanie Brown, over any of Bruce Wayne's sidekicks, especially Grayson, who has the closest relationship with Batman and Superman, or Drake who was Superboy's best friend.

The New 52 was an example about fans complaining about something like this here, which I chose to keep an open mind for, like I do for this here, not that it was connected to Smallville specifically.

Ah, okay. In that case, I too enjoy the New 52 immensely, aside from a few things.

I don't care to what fans the comic tries to appeal, fact is both fans and non-fans read it and not all of them know or mind changes in certain specifics about characters like Batman's different sidekicks.

Well, considering most of the audience will be comic readers, I'd bet most do know Bruce's sidekicks.

OK, Dick Grayson is the most famous sidekick, Barry Allen is the most famous Flash too but they used Bart in the show not him, even though at first it may not make sense to use him in stead of the more popular ones.

Well, I don't think Barry is the most popular Flash, I'd say Wally is, due to Barry having being dead up until 2008 and Wally having been in the DCAU, and in any case, like I said before, Barry and Bart have the same name, I'd rather see Bart grow up to be Barry than be Impulse forever.

Here is the same thing - they didn't choose the most popular Robin or Nightwing but someone else.

Not really, because Stephanie wasn't ever a member of Bruce's supporting cast, she was a member of Tim's and Steph and Bruce have shared little interaction in her entire history.

And for the record, they didn't choose any Nightwing.

Big deal, Bart Allen was never the best known speedster and they showed him well on the show, what is the problem in trying the same with Stephanie, despite her never been a prominent sidekick before, too? I honestly don't understand what's your problem with this.

I've already stated my problem, there are several, better and more suited characters, instead they are being passed over for a character who hasn't ever fulfilled the sidekick role for more than a cheap stunt to kill her off, because the writer likes that different character more. I'd rather Batman remain alone rather than have Stephanie Brown, someone elses support character, be used, especially with a better characters codename.



It's just my preference. You don't have to agree. I think Smallville made plenty of other mistakes too, it's not like it's something new. However, I had been waiting for Batman since Adam Knight was introduced, and including Steph, of all characters has ruined it for me. I don't want to see it.

[Rockstar]

Llama, who cares what they do in the comics? Seriously, the show is over.


This comic is pretty much BQM's fanfiction of how he'd continue Smallville. It doesn't surprise me he tossed Stephanie Brown in there.

It makes no difference though in the big picture.


They might as well use this comic to give some less popular characters like her some exposure.

I think they should use Guy, Kyle or a completely new character as GL.

[Llama_Shepherd]

Again, it's just my preference. Same way you didn't care for some (most?) things from Smallville. I don't like this. Not one bit. Original characters I have no problem with. However, I do have a gripe in needlessly changing characters, especially since this alters the rest of the bat family.


And actually, like you said, shows over, so I'm not gonna bother reading anymore.

[KalKai]

What a tragedy. BQM will surely lose sleep over this.

[Llama_Shepherd]

Oh, wow really?














Good.









:o

[Dangerman]

And this is is why SV fans and show have the rep it does. No disrespect I liked the show but when it came to adding new heroes they always went about it the wrong way. Even with Lana they ruined her and Pete for the most part. They had Kara called Supergirl before there even was a Superman making her come first in the public eye.

Really like it not it was a bad call to make Steph Nightwing. If she was Robin that might have went over better but Nightwing is just wrong. You had Dick, Tim, Jason and even Damion to chose from and all would have been better choices. You talk about how this is about SV the show's fans but now that show is off the air and it's life now rest in the hands of the comic readers. The same readers this show has pissed off for the last 6 years. If I were BQM I would be trying to get them involved now and when it comes in 98 place in comic sales that isn't a good sign. I think the comic book is well written because as I said before I liked the show and learned to accept it as it is but if it wants to be a success in the comic world then it will need to make peace with some of the fans and bring in more readers. If it and it's fans can't do that then this may truly be its last season. That's why I get upset by this because it has a great opening arc and really should rank higher but it's rep is what is killing it and this and the new outfit doesn't help.

[Dangerman]

Also to say Steph works as Nightwing because people only know Dick as Robin and don't know who Nightwing is plain dumb. Who is Nightwing on Young Justice (the most popular show of the DCU block)? Dick. Who was Nightwing on The Batman, Batman: TAS? Dick. Who was Nightwing in Teen Titans Go!? Dick. Who is NIghtwing in the comics (the place Smallville Season 11 is now marketing to)? Dick. Dick is iconic to take him out is one thing but to give everything he worked for to someone who never even earned it is another. Do you even know the history of Nightwing and how he got his name and who he even came to before taking that name? This is why Steph should not be called Nightwing. It was like a right of passage between him and two people he saw as father figures (Batman and Superman). All Steph is really remembered for is stealing the Robin suit and Batman taking it away from her. Then almost getting herself killed and then becoming Batgirl where if you blinked you would have missed it. This is why it is a wrong move I get BQM has a special place in his heart for her but that shouldn't cloud your judgement.

[Johnny]

I think they should use Guy, Kyle or a completely new character as GL.


Nah, Hal all the way! ;) I'm a huge fan of that guy. And I'm close to being unable to picture a GL story without him, especially if it comes to something that's dear to my heart like Smallville. But hey, I'm not gonna start an argument here to avoid ending up like the Stephanie Brown thing lol. I'm just in wait and see mode. Since they got Batman, they can get anyone from now on.

[Johnny]

Also to say Steph works as Nightwing because people only know Dick as Robin and don't know who Nightwing is plain dumb. Who is Nightwing on Young Justice (the most popular show of the DCU block)? Dick. Who was Nightwing on The Batman, Batman: TAS? Dick. Who was Nightwing in Teen Titans Go!? Dick. Who is NIghtwing in the comics (the place Smallville Season 11 is now marketing to)? Dick. Dick is iconic to take him out is one thing but to give everything he worked for to someone who never even earned it is another. Do you even know the history of Nightwing and how he got his name and who he even came to before taking that name? This is why Steph should not be called Nightwing. It was like a right of passage between him and two people he saw as father figures (Batman and Superman). All Steph is really remembered for is stealing the Robin suit and Batman taking it away from her. Then almost getting herself killed and then becoming Batgirl where if you blinked you would have missed it. This is why it is a wrong move I get BQM has a special place in his heart for her but that shouldn't cloud your judgement.

Oh for god's sake get over yourself. You guys take this stuff way too seriously. This isn't a sign of disrespect to Dick in any way. Again - let's see WHY she is Nightwing and then debate over how bad it is. Million things could've happened, we don't know any of the facts behind it. Any. Ooh, they chose Stephanie over Dick. Blasphemy! Go burn poor Miller on the stake for it. Let's learn some actual info about and decide if we'll condemn it after. Jeez.

[Rockstar]

Nah, Hal all the way! ;) I'm a huge fan of that guy. And I'm close to being unable to picture a GL story without him, especially if it comes to something that's dear to my heart like Smallville. But hey, I'm not gonna start an argument here to avoid ending up like the Stephanie Brown thing lol. I'm just in wait and see mode. Since they got Batman, they can get anyone from now on.

Interesting sidenote is that Scott Porter pleaded to the Smallville producers to be on the show and to play Hal Jordan. He could have pulled it off.

I wonder who the producers would have cast as Batman and Nightwing had they been given the opportunity to use these characters on the series.

Despite me disagreeing with the vast majority of decisions they've made, I have to admit that SV made 9 perfect casting choices throughout it's run. These actors gave performances that did justice to their characters and suited them perfectly. Listed in order of perfection:

1) Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor
2) John Glover as Lionel Luthor
3) Phil Morris as Martian Manhunter
4) Eric Martsolf as Booter Gold
5) John Schneider as Jonathan Kent
6) Annette O'Toole as Martha Kent
7) Kyle Gallner as Bart Allen
8) Callum Blue as Zod
9) James Marsters as Brainiac

Hard to argue with these.

[Webhead2006]

And still we don't know anything of sv world's batman. Plus nothing on stephaine. Like others have said maybe this batman has had other sidekicks, and they are off doing solo thing. Or maybe like sv did with many characters merged aspects/traits of different characters into one new thing. That is why we need to see whole story before we ***** out totally.

And for me sure sv made some silly story/character deals over the yrs. But I still think most character par a few namely pete/lana ended up pretty good characters.

As for rep I really haven't heard anything totally negative on sv book. And across many forums I go too have heard good things same with going to my local comic shops. And sure the print issues may be low on sales charts. But dc is really pushing the whole digital deal. So they probably care a slight bit more on digital sales. And also we have to remember they are getting. 3 digital chapters/full book, and the full physical book profits. So overall they still making money.

[Prison Mike]

Batman better kiss Chloe's feet. If it weren't for her, he wouldn't be there. In fact, I never liked Bruce Wayne as Batman. Chloe would make a much better Batman.

[Dangerman]

And still we don't know anything of sv world's batman. Plus nothing on stephaine. Like others have said maybe this batman has had other sidekicks, and they are off doing solo thing. Or maybe like sv did with many characters merged aspects/traits of different characters into one new thing. That is why we need to see whole story before we ***** out totally.

And for me sure sv made some silly story/character deals over the yrs. But I still think most character par a few namely pete/lana ended up pretty good characters.

As for rep I really haven't heard anything totally negative on sv book. And across many forums I go too have heard good things same with going to my local comic shops. And sure the print issues may be low on sales charts. But dc is really pushing the whole digital deal. So they probably care a slight bit more on digital sales. And also we have to remember they are getting. 3 digital chapters/full book, and the full physical book profits. So overall they still making money.No I am not talking about the rep of the book. I am talking about the shows rep that's what I am talking about. The show has had a reputation on putting off comic fans for years now and not only that Superman fans and now that's where it is being marketed to for it's lifeline and to come in at 96th for an debut issue isn't good for the show it was. As I have said before I enjoyed the show and enjoy the comic but if it wants to be as successful as Buffy use to be then it needs to realize it can't follow the usual Smallville format and has to try and reach out to comic fans as well. That's all I am saying because when the show ran and they started adding more heroes and all you hear people say getting the SV treatment for characters in the comics and show (and that wasn't meant as a good thing). You don't want to start off with your first major hero getting talked about the same way to where people who thought things would be different in the comics see nothing has changed.

[Johnny]

It also had a reputation of turning some viewers into DC fans as well. I hadn't read a single comic before I started watching the show. Now I follow most of their top characters and prefer them much more than Marvel's(to whom I'm still kinda pissed for screwing up Spidey's history), even though after Avengers I'm much more willing to forgive them. Anyway, yes, the debut issue sales weren't good but so far the digital issues are always in the top 10 from what I've seen. They're doing well, I hope in time the print issues would do better as well.

[Prison Mike]

the Smallville comic is more for the fans of the show. I don't think they said yes to the idea with the thinking that they'll get those comic fans who never watched Smallville. I mean that's why they started it as a digital comic rather than print form.

[KalKai]

Dangerman, here's some news for you:

http://www.comiclist.com/index.php/news/smallville-season-11-1-sells-out-and-goes-back-to-press

You don't represent the comic world, and neither do some comic book nerds on an internet message board. That's the reality.

[Dangerman]

Dangerman, here's some news for you:

http://www.comiclist.com/index.php/news/smallville-season-11-1-sells-out-and-goes-back-to-press

You don't represent the comic world, and neither do some comic book nerds on an internet message board. That's the reality.
And here is all that matters to DC KalKai

Top 100 Comic Book Sales (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/06/11/top-100-comics-for-may-2012/)

Go a head and take a look. Books that they have put more effort into and are better received for example JLI, Batwing and All-Star Western, Green Arrow (which is not that far down from SV) have been rumored to be and some already have been canceled. Look at Buffy that is Dark Horse top selling comic. All because you're getting a second print doesn't mean anything JLI has been selling well getting second and third prints and that book is already canceled. And I know I don't represent them but if you listen to most people across the internet the buzz about SV hasn't been good for a while now even during it's final season all people cared about is would he put on the suit and look at how that got blasted for how it was done. I have stated before I am a fan of the show and the book but in the same the book needs to bridge the gap that has left a sour taste in comic fans mouths. You need money for it to continue or for it to be profitable. Once again this DC Comics where they have canceled comics that have been better received than this and sold better including other Superman titles which includes the Smallville comics that came out when the show was popular among both the general audience and comic fan due to low/poor sales (which did get second prints as well as trades). So what makes you think this is anymore special? Because he is in the suit now and being called Superman? This is not TV anymore. They do have to rely on the comic fans as well as the SV fans for this to continue. And I am not trying to be mean or rude I am just speaking reality.

[RavenX]

Oh for god's sake get over yourself. You guys take this stuff way too seriously. This isn't a sign of disrespect to Dick in any way. Again - let's see WHY she is Nightwing and then debate over how bad it is. Million things could've happened, we don't know any of the facts behind it. Any. Ooh, they chose Stephanie over Dick. Blasphemy! Go burn poor Miller on the stake for it. Let's learn some actual info about and decide if we'll condemn it after. Jeez.

yeah...heaven forbid.......let's actually read the story to see why Steph is Nightwing before we all pass judgment.

[Webhead2006]

Just cause it may not be the top seller for a dc book doesn't mean its not doing well enough forr the dc execs. Plus like I pointed out there is the whole digital chapters/full book, and print/digital full figures they are getting money from. Print books sales isn't the be all end all any more.

[Dangerman]

Just cause it may not be the top seller for a dc book doesn't mean its not doing well enough forr the dc execs. Plus like I pointed out there is the whole digital chapters/full book, and print/digital full figures they are getting money from. Print books sales isn't the be all end all any more.
Actually yes it does and yes that still is the case for comics. Sorry to break it to you but digital isn't that big yet. It may be one day but for right now as far as comics goes it still is mainly a print media unlike the newspaper. So if it isn't doing well print wise it does speak volumes. Now why is that? Because like movies and CD's you can download it for free if you want to so digital you really don't make to much money on. That's why they are losing money on it if you can go anywhere and download the weekly issue and then to not have the print issues sell well at the same time. Think of it like Superman Returns. Superman Returns for a mostly non action movie brought in over 200 million dom the total box office was over $400 million, DVD's and Blu-Rays sold well and was well like and praised by critics, had a Superman that most of the fans loved and even respect to this day but here is the catcher much like SV it held a mix reaction on fans and they were vocal about. Now WB/DC still were about to go ahead and even went into casting and scouting locations however things change and they felt it didn't do well enough for them. Now if you didn't want to use Superman Returns for that example you could always look at Spider-Man 3 and X3 that were box offices gold but had fans in an outrage as well. Hell if you want to break away from movies look at All-Star Batman and Robin: the boy wonder and see how well that book sold but look at how it turned fans off. Now lets look at this comic it is 96th in it's place (which I hope it did better this month) but once again 96th in its place and it cost money either way to produce this and you have to market to a new fan base now that already has mixed feelings about the show. Tell me what makes SV the comic (series 2 because the first one was canceled as well) any different then say Superman Returns, SM3, X3, Aquaman (who did sell well the other issue with other Aquaman), JLI (which was selling good for a while and still was till it was canceled), Superman: Man of Steel, old Superboy series (before his death in IC) and countless other series that were ranked higher than this long into their run and had higher ranking debut issues? Once again I am not trying to be mean I want this comic to do well but it needs to try and bring in new readers. Not every one who watched SV is going to buy this be it digital or print hell I will bet you only about 15 to 20% of the people who watch the show may buy this at most. I am just saying change the perception on of what comic readers see you as and you'll do better because thats where it's life line draws now. Why do you think the DCAU films are based off of popular comics and are successful with them. I truly believe and hope that this opening arc of SV becomes one of them with the cast coming back to do the voicing but it won't if it doesn't make some try at doing this.

[Webhead2006]

Well also it accounts in how well dc expected the book to do and if its numbers are in a range dc is happy with. As for sr that is not the best example to go with. Oh sure totally sr made nearly 400mill. But it dropped very fast after opening weeks and took its full runs both domestically to get 200mill and 200mill internationally. Same goes with video home sales did well in first week out but dropped fast. Check any sales figure sites.

[Young Superman]

I can't wait to see how Miller handles the Clark and Bruce relationship in the Smallville universe.

P.S I hope we get to see a Alfred and/or James Gordon cameo in this storyline.

[Dangerman]

Well also it accounts in how well dc expected the book to do and if its numbers are in a range dc is happy with. As for sr that is not the best example to go with. Oh sure totally sr made nearly 400mill. But it dropped very fast after opening weeks and took its full runs both domestically to get 200mill and 200mill internationally. Same goes with video home sales did well in first week out but dropped fast. Check any sales figure sites.
That's the question how well does DC expect this book to do. As for SR if released one week earlier the drop off wouldn't have been as big and it still reached 200 mil faster than Batman Begins in a shorter period of time and was still a top 10 movie of the year top 5 if you discount Night at the museum. But that's another topic. Anyways I am looking forward to this chapter just playing devil's advocate with you guys.

[Webhead2006]

Its no issue danger, everyone has varied opinions and what not. I was only trrying to help with more facts. But ya for sv comic its all about how well its doing and if its numbers are what dc likes.

As for batman story I too can't wait to see bruce and clark together. And would be sweet for alfrred/gordon nod/mention too.

[RavenX]

so is the Smallville comic an actual comic or just a digital one?

[Dangerman]

so is the Smallville comic an actual comic or just a digital one?
Both

[RavenX]

thanks.

[Webhead2006]

Ya each issue is broken into 3 chapters released each week digitally. Then as a full print comic collecting those chapters and the full book is also avaible for digital too every month.

[vantheman77]

There is an interview with BQM at comic book resources about Batman's appearance in Smallville. According to him, Bruce has been Batman a couple of years longer than Clark being the Blur and is on par with Green Arrow. He may or may not be older than Oliver and Lex.

[ironman29758]

here's the page vantheman77 is talking about:


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39279

BRYAN Q. MILLER INTRODUCES BATMAN, NIGHTWING TO "SMALLVILLE"

"Smallville" fans were delighted every time a Justice Leaguer like The Flash, Aquaman or Cyborg made a guest appearance on the popular CW television series. But Batman -- the DC Comics icon everyone really wanted to see– never made his way to Metropolis to pay young Clark Kent a visit.

That all changes when the Dark Knight guest-stars in a 12-week run of the bestselling digital first series, "Smallville: Season 11."

Written by former "Smallville" writer/producer Bryan Q. Miller and featuring art by industry veteran ChrisCross, "Detective," which begins September 5, will see The Batman and Nightwing arrive in Metropolis after the Caped Crusader receives a tip that the person responsible for the death of his parents is somehow connected to the Man of Steel's home turf of Metropolis.

The other big reveal, of course, was that the "Smallville: Season 11" iteration of Nightwing is none other than Stephanie Brown, the former Robin who starred in Miller's critically acclaimed "Batgirl" series prior to the launch of the New 52.

The always candid Miller told CBR News he was thrilled with the response the news has generated and revealed that Batman being available to him was a major reason why he signed on for the project. Miller also shared his insight into the differences between writing for print and digital and revealed which classic DC supervillain Dean Cain was originally cast to play in his "Smallvile" Season 7 appearance before the character's identity was changed at the eleventh hour due to the possibility that bad guy was slated to appear in the then-rumored Superman feature film.

CBR News: While I am sure you were aware the revelation that Batman was coming to "Smallville" would be well received, were you surprised at all by the level of interest the news resulted in?

Bryan Q. Miller: Since I have been with the show for so long and know how badly, while we were on the air, fans wanted to see that, it certainly was not a surprise that people got so excited and are still excited as they are. It's reassuring that they're still excited, because we put a lot of work into it. [Laughs] But it definitely wasn't out of left field.
Was there ever any serious discussions about making it happen while you were working on the TV series or what you would do with him if it did?

I don't think we actually ever got down the road with what the story would be, but at the beginning of each season -- especially in the latter years, after DC Entertainment formed -- there was always that hope that it would happen. "Maybe we'll get to do Batman this year." And then inevitably, it was like, "No, sorry. No Batman this year." We'd have that with certain characters every now and again. We'd ask if we could do something with a character but he or she would be tied up with a feature or something else. A lot of ducks had to get in order for that to happen.

At one point, we almost had a Vandal Savage episode -- it was the one that we had with Dean Cain -- and literally at the last minute, features said, "We have a feature in development." It was years ago when I think New Line had something cooking, so we had to change it to a generic character named Curtis Knox and it was inferred that he was probably Vandal Savage. Stuff like that would come up all the time, not just with Batman.

When you signed on to write "Smallville: Season 11," did you know you were going to get Batman or did you have to pitch the idea following the initial success?

It was certainly in the first set of proposals and stuff that I put together. Certain storylines and whatnot moved around, but Batman was part of the package from Day One.

Is the story you're telling in "Detective" different than the type of story you would have told had Batman appeared on the TV series?

I think just from a basic logistical standpoint, yes. The four-part story "Detective" that we're doing is an action movie, essentially. It's "Lethal Weapon," it's "Bad Boys," it's a buddy cop movie with Bruce and Clark as they go through the adventure. And it gets exponentially bigger and bigger and bigger as we go along through the four issues. So again, from that standpoint, no, we could not have come close to telling this story on "Smallville." Maybe, maybe, there is an action sequence that ends the first 30 pages and starts the second 30 that would have probably been the culmination of what we could have afforded to do with the Blur and Batman on "Smallville" at that point, but not the whole thing.

From an emotional standpoint, there is certainly a character journey that Batman goes on when he comes to Metropolis, which is definitely, I think, what we would have done with him on the show. But it's certainly not anything that we planned to do because we never got that far down the road.

You mentioned this is a Bruce and Clark team-up, so do we literally get to see Clark Kent meet Bruce Wayne?

You will have to read to find out. But I can say that they are together for quite a while, so I am taking as much advantage of that as possible.

What brings Batman to Metropolis?

It's hard, because I don't want to give too much away, but in the solicitations we tease that he's on the path of his parents' killer. There is an event that happens in Gotham where he comes across information that the person responsible for his parents' death is in Metropolis. That presents him with a fresh lead, which is something that he hasn't had in some time, so he pursues it with much fervor.

Do we get to see Batman in Smallville as well as Metropolis?

We go to see some farmland in "Guardian," which is the first arc, and we'll have some more trips back to Smallville throughout the season, but "Detective" is much more of an urban adventure with Batman. And that makes sense because that's where he is in his element.

Obviously, in "Smallville" we're dealing with a younger Clark Kent. Is Batman at an early stage of his career too?

Batman has been doing the Batman thing for probably a couple years longer than Clark was doing the Blur thing. I would say age-wise Bruce is on par with Oliver and Lex, if not slightly older than the two of them. He has definitely been rooted in his war on crime for a while.

Much of the online buzz has been over Batman's apparel, which looks like some kind of battle armor. Can you talk about Batman's look in the series, specifically what incoming artist ChrisCross has brought to the project?

Cross' stuff is great. It's very intense. The first bunch of designs and pages we got in featured very fierce line work, and that works because, specifically, at the beginning of the story, Batman is in a very intense place. I think Cross definitely brings his artistry to the project. He's also a big fan of the show, so he certainly knows the look of the show and the approach to "Smallville" storytelling. His action is great.

As for the design of the armor, a lot of that is Cross and the rest of it is story-dictated. This is a Batman that has been doing this urban warfare for a while, and he is not wet behind the ears. He knows what it takes to get the job done and he has a lot of money to spend on it.

I would say when they go out in the field, if Nightwing is the scout or the vanguard, then Batman is the tank, so he is definitely going to have a little more up his sleeve.

Speaking of Nightwing, what can you tell us about the choice to have Stephanie Brown featured as Batman's sidekick in this story as opposed to Dick, Tim or even Damian?
From a writer's standpoint, I felt I couldn't get any deeper into this without having Stephanie somewhere. This is the Stephanie that people who read "Batgirl" came to know and love. Not much of her has changed. She's just wearing a different costume.

Choosing Nightwing as opposed to Robin just seemed like the nice kind of take we'd have done on the show so it's not exactly the same thing as the comics because there are a bunch of other comics where you can get that. We're doing our own take, which isn't too far from, in quotation marks, "how it's supposed to be," but it's our little corner of the world.

Can you give us a tease of which villain or villains we are going to see in this arc?

The villains are a big reveal when we get to them because there are some tasty DC villains that do show up. I don't want to give them away, but I think it probably doesn't hurt too much to say that in the solicitations we have Superman on the trail of some hi-tech weapons that are available on the streets of Metropolis. And I have seen this inference online already but I think it's safe to say Intergang is somehow involved. We had Intergang on the show before, so it's not totally new to the "Smallville" mythos. That much I can say.

You already have Green Arrow, a carryover from the TV series, in the comic, and now you're introducing Batman and Nightwing. Do you have plans in the future to introduce more classic characters into the "Smallville" mythos?

Absolutely. Not as an operating rule, but whenever possible. From a storytelling standpoint, Clark's world is bigger. In the post-"Apocalypse," which was the name of the TV series finale, world, Clark is definitely more aware of the superhero community and the things like the existence of aliens. It's certainly not outside the realm of this reality that we would see more heroes. Plus, any chance you have to feature Superman and another DC hero on the cover of the book will help bring in people who wouldn't normally come to the "Smallville: Season 11" book.

What lies ahead in "Smallville: Season 11"? Is there an end date in mind? And will we see "Smallville: Season 12"?

I know how the season ends for "Smallville: Season 11" but we certainly don't have a hard end date. I am trying to keep it as open as possible because things change with weather. It could go on for a while or it could not go on for a while. We are certainly not backing ourselves into any corners. For "Detective," it's 12 digital chapters, 120 print pages, four print issues.

Once we get past "Detective," I think we are going to shorten it a little bit to some 90 page, three issue stories. And then it will be story-dictated as we move forward. I don't know if we will ever have a story that's as a short as a 30, just because when you are in the digital weekly format, it doesn't feel as though you are getting as much story as you could. I think 60 pages will be the low end of the sweet spot.

You have been writing digital comics for about six months now. Have you noticed any difference in terms of pacing or setup for writing digital versus traditional print comics?

It's been a challenge. I think you can see us trying to get the hang of it in the first 60 pages of "Guardian," but by the time we hit Chapter 6, we had kind of figured everything out. It's a challenge because every 10 pages has to have enough of a cliffhanger or a hook to make people want to come back the following week, and then for the print audience, every 30 pages, you need to have a cliffhanger or a push-off that's big enough that makes them want to come back four weeks later as opposed to just one week later. It certainly keeps you on your toes from a writing and art standpoint because you have to keep turning the story -- you can't stay too long on anything. But I think that increases the value for the money because you are getting literally as much story and art and everything as we can cram into those horizontal, vertical pages. And there is easily twice as much story and twice as much everything in "Detective" as we have in "Guardian."

"Smallville: Season 11" #5, written by Bryan Q. Miller and featuring art by ChrisCross, arrives online on September 5.

[Webhead2006]

Cool interview from bqm on bat,an story and stuff from show.

[Brainiac 8]

They need to hurry and announce when the trade for the first story will be released.

[Dangerman]

They need to hurry and announce when the trade for the first story will be released.
They already did. It will be next year in April in TP not HC (Hard Cover). So pretty much a year from now for $14.99.

[Brainiac 8]

Ah, didn't know that. I wonder why they aren't releasing it until next year...that seems strange.

[Young Superman]

Does anyone else think they took cues from the Christopher Nolan Batman films when designing the Smallville Batsuit?

[Webhead2006]

Well since we only had two print issues so far. They probably waiting to we have at least 6-10 issues out to make a trade a more economical/read success and what not.

[herolee10]

I wonder when we should expect to see Wonder Woman then since her existence in the SV world was confirmed by Chloe in Season 10.

Heck, it'd be nice to see SV's version of the JLA, after both Batman and Wonder Woman become honorary members of the group as well, have their own portrait created like how the JLA had one for their group back in their prime.

Also, I wonder if BQM will actually attempt to portray Superman's and Batman's eventual friendship to be as legendary as other versions have shown it.

In any case, I'm glad that before the show had ended, that we had them establish Clark as being the big "it" factor for the superhero community of his world and how he'll be the one leading the way for everyone in the future. I say this because when it comes to a lot of portrayals of the JLA in the DCAU area, Superman has always been treated as somewhat of a lesser being than Batman at times.

[ironman29758]

I wonder when we should expect to see Wonder Woman then since her existence in the SV world was confirmed by Chloe in Season 10.

Heck, it'd be nice to see SV's version of the JLA, after both Batman and Wonder Woman become honorary members of the group as well, have their own portrait created like how the JLA had one for their group back in their prime.

Also, I wonder if BQM will actually attempt to portray Superman's and Batman's eventual friendship to be as legendary as other versions have shown it.

In any case, I'm glad that before the show had ended, that we had them establish Clark as being the big "it" factor for the superhero community of his world and how he'll be the one leading the way for everyone in the future. I say this because when it comes to a lot of portrayals of the JLA in the DCAU area, Superman has always been treated as somewhat of a lesser being than Batman at times.

I can imagine that:when the guy is trying to take the picture Oliver and Bruce is arguing about who copied who's superhero identity, Impulse is eating a burrito, AC and Victor are making jokes, John Jones is enjoying a cookie, Zatanna and Black Canary(with maybe Wonder Woman, Lois and/or Chloe) are talking and laughing and Superman is trying to get everyone to settle for a picture. :woot:

As for how BQM will potray Batman:When I heard that Batman was hunting for his parents killer I was reminded og of Bruce hunting for his parent's killer in Batman #47 which was a detailed Batman origin(http://batman.kinlok.nu/bat-comics/origin/) and the darker adaption in the Batman:Brave and the Bold episode "Chill of the Night"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chill_of_the_Night (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chill_of_the_Night)!) which tells of Batman finding his parent's killer so it might be similar to how BQM does it only with Superman and Stephanie Brown. Well seeing how Superman was potraying in the new 52 Justice League#2, The Batman/Superman story in The Batman season 5 premiere, Batman:Brave and the Bold Superman episode and the 3 part World's Finest episode I Have some hope but a little scared about it.

[Webhead2006]

It should be fun to see where bruce and clark friendship goes. As for ww probably be down the road.

[Binker]

I wonder when we should expect to see Wonder Woman then since her existence in the SV world was confirmed by Chloe in Season 10.

Not quite: it was confirmed with Season 3's Asylum, there was a newspaper with the headline "Themyscirian Queen Address The Vatican".

Speaking of which; maybe not the characters themselves, but even places where these characters live have been mentioned on the show, which is enough for even me to say those characters, maybe even those characters' supporting cast, exist in the universe: Bludhaven in Season 1 (makes sense now, with Nightwing appeaing next regardless of Steph being behind the mask), even Gotham was first mentioned in Season 6, with others such as Coast City first mentioned in the episode Redux from Season 2, and Keystone in Season 8. So if those cities exist in the Smallville universe, where of course they were expanding and showcasing the DCU with it, characters like Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and more should show up in this comic.

Oh BTW, I want to update my thoughts on Batman's costume in Smallville, Season 11: I'm actually liking it now more and more. Again, like Superman's suit for the rest of us. I'm seeing it as what they wanted to do with it, which in turn is actually like how the developers turns things for the Arkham video games: the combo treatment. The suit is gray in the comics, black in the movies: in Smallville, they made it gray over black. It also reminds me of the Injustice suit, too.

As for Batman himself; Superman/experienced and Batman/rookie is a change that is very different from what's considered the norm, but as it's should given what series this is. Same goes for Steph as Nightwing. But, I want to see how Bruce's backstory in the SV universe plays out, because Chloe mentioned a "a billionaire with gadgets" and Miller revealed both the war on crime longer than Clark was the Blur (again, bad name) and Batman as the rookie, makes me think in SV: Bruce, not Batman, had his war on crime but from the shadows, with (maybe only a little) vigilante business. It was only with the costumed superheroes being common, and of course Superman, that Bruce followed suit as Batman, making him the new guy. That's my theory, but either way I want to see how they handle the character in the comic.

Hey, guys: what-if SV's Batman was actually older than Clark, like DKR old, and was a secret admirer of the JSA back in the day? That would've been different, huh?

[smallville fan]

Hey guys I made a teaser trailer for this "episode" what do you guys think of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo-737_I7hY

[Johnny]

Nice work!

[Young Superman]

Great job smallville fan, I loved it.

[Webhead2006]

Umm bqm stated that batman here isn't a rookie. He is around lex/ollie age. And been operating longer then clark was as the blur.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Not quite: it was confirmed with Season 3's Asylum, there was a newspaper with the headline "Themyscirian Queen Address The Vatican".

Technically the Themysciran Queen would be Hippolyta, Diana's mother.

So herolee is correct. WW's existence is only confirmed in Episode 10.15 when Chloe is talking about other heros she met during her time with the Suicide Squad: "I met a billionaire with high-tech toys and a wondrous women who will throw you for a loop."

[The Caped Knight]

While i'm thrilled that Batman is being a official introduced into the smallville Universe. I'm a little pissed off that he didn't appear in the series when he clearly could've been. Now with that out of the way BRING ON THE DARK KNIGHT, even though I'd have much more preferred if he was a loner vigilante in his first team-up with Superman. I'm willing to give BQM a chance before I negatively rip this episode to pieces (with the usage of Steph as Nightwing before Dick even became Robin), (The look of Batman costume SV style) etc...

Bryan so far has done a wonderful job in maintaining the core essences of the series in "Guardian". So I'm willing to look at this objectively and reserve judgement on "Detective".

[Johnny]

Couldn't have said it better. If only all comic fans could give something a chance first before spewing venom all over it. It's gotdamn ridiculous.

[Webhead2006]

Ha ya any fandom gets real fuzzy at things before we know all.

[smallville fan]

So who would make a good live action actor for Smallville's Batman?

[Pepsiguy2]

We really have to wait and read to tell..

[KalKai]

BEHOLD!

http://i.imgur.com/Qhw9Y.jpg

Amazing artwork.

http://blueskybriccabraq.squarespace.com/blog/2012/7/9/information-attack-smallville-season-11-6.html

Art by JAMAL IGLE - He's on the forum right.

Cover by MICO SUAYAN - Not sure if it's done by him or Jamal, or if Jamal is drawing the interiors.

[The Caped Knight]

Whoa I love Bats cowl design it's very reminiscent to Nolan's version of The Dark Knight.

[Young Superman]

BEHOLD!

http://i.imgur.com/Qhw9Y.jpg

Amazing artwork.

http://blueskybriccabraq.squarespace.com/blog/2012/7/9/information-attack-smallville-season-11-6.html

Art by JAMAL IGLE - He's on the forum right.

This is cool.

[Binker]

Actually, the suit itself (except the cowl...maybe) is like the Batman from the upcoming Injustice game

[Webhead2006]

Not a bad cover.

[Pepsiguy2]

Miller said the makeup on his chin is similar to what Navy Seals wear.

[Rockstar]

Great artwork.

Jamal does good work. I like the new Batman design. Very Elseworlds-ish.


Superman looks more like Cavill there.

[Dangerman]

Great artwork.

Jamal does good work. I like the new Batman design. Very Elseworlds-ish.


Superman looks more like Cavill there.
Jamal is on this book so I am defiantly going to pick this up. But I would have picked it up anyways. However with this book dropping for 96th to 99 this might be the only season we get. Maybe one more if we're lucky.

[KalKai]

The cover art is by Mico Suayan. His signature is on Superman's cape.

[Binker]

Miller said the makeup on his chin is similar to what Navy Seals wear.

Oh really? That's a new idea: giving Batman a camo look to his makeup, based from the film Batman looks with the eye makeup, but extended. That's kinda neat, giving Batman's war on crime a true war on crime.

I'm wondering about the white lenses; from the mask, from his eyes, or just there and don't ask like the regular comic version?

[Pepsiguy2]

Oh really? That's a new idea: giving Batman a camo look to his makeup, based from the film Batman looks with the eye makeup, but extended. That's kinda neat, giving Batman's war on crime a true war on crime.

I'm wondering about the white lenses; from the mask, from his eyes, or just there and don't ask like the regular comic version?

Yeah, someone on Twitter was like "why does batman have black facepaint" and he was like "It's not that -- it's similar to what navy SEALS have" which is a very interesting idea. Some may say the costume is terrible, but I'm loving it. I'm really interested in seeing where they go in this storyline. I'm buying both Digital+Print.

I didn't even notice any white lenses because I'm just frankly used to it always being there on Batman. However -- since Smallville is kinda grounded in reality (basically it's supposed to be real life like us watching TV is what I mean, you know?) I wouldn't put it past them to make the white lenses have some sort of meaning/explanation.

[JosephCAW]

ok, in that picture Bats looks good, but **** in that debut pic....it just looked horrible lol

[Webhead2006]

Some neat stuff on batman suit and why he looks as he does. I can't wait to see where story goes. As for ranking even if it is diping if they still get figures they are happy for print/digital sales I don't think we have to be in oh its doomed and will be dropped in next issue stage.

[Pepsiguy2]

I kind of don't like how long episodes are, since it's supposed to be a TV show format they feel like they would be longer than 40 mins. However -- BQM said Eps. 3/4 will be shorter than Detective/Guardian.

I am hoping they release a mega-sized Season trade or at least a trade with breaks inbetween like an actual show does.

[Webhead2006]

We will probably have a trade once we got a few full story archs done. Also is his artists from the cover taking over from perez or is it just another variant cover artist like kat has done?

[Pepsiguy2]

I think Cat Staggs is taking a break or something because that's the official art for #6. I don't think Perez is leaving but I'd like him to improve.

[Webhead2006]

I hope perez isn't leaving he has nailed characters/actors well.

[Pepsiguy2]

I don't think "nail" is the term I'd use. I just can't imagine Tom Welling's voice on the Superman I see in the book.

[Johnny]

Jamal is on this book so I am defiantly going to pick this up. But I would have picked it up anyways. However with this book dropping for 96th to 99 this might be the only season we get. Maybe one more if we're lucky.

The digital issues are doing well. I think if they keep selling well, we won't have to worry about the print issues much. At least that's what I think, I don't know how DC looks at their digital stuff.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Digital will be outselling print in the next 12-18 months according to some industry analysts so if the comic is doing well in digital then we should be good to go.

[Webhead2006]

Ya as long as either/both formats are selling at figures that make dc happy we have nothing to worry about. And most companies are trying to get digital bigger/wide spread. Which is good and all. But for me personally I like to have the actual print book.

[Webhead2006]

Changes afoot for smallville batman sidekick:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/07/12/stephanie-brown-dropped-from-smallville-in-favour-of-barbara-gordon/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool +Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29
Witten on July 12, 2012 by Rich Johnston in Comics

Stephanie Brown Dropped From Smallville In Favour Of Barbara Gordon?

It was the news that fans of the DC character Stephanie Brown had been waiting for for. Spoiler, Robin, Batgirl… this character had played a number of roles in Batbooks over the years but fans believed she had repeatedly received short shrift from DC Comics. And recently in the DC New 52, she vanished completely and was replaced as Batgirl by Barbara Gordon.

Then, recently, it was announced that Stephanie Brown would be the Nightwing character appearing along a young Batman in the Smallville11th Season digital first comic.

Writer Bryan Q Miller was originally quoted as saying “Bruce can be somewhat of an angry man. Stephanie’s personality is so can-do and unsinkable and bright, so it’s very much on purpose on Bruce’s part that he has a good cop going out on patrol with him every night.”

But it seems that creative decisions on the title have changed.

Bleeding Cool’s Peter S Svensson reports from San Diego Comic Con “if what my mysterious but sources says is true, Stephanie Brown will not be appearing in upcoming issues of Smallville Season Eleven as Batman’s sidekick Nightwing. Which had been previously announced by writer Bryan Q. Miller (who just also happened to write Stephanie’s solo series as Batgirl). The report I received says that last minute editorial changes have replaced Stephanie with Barbara Gordon, recoloring the art and changing dialog to boot.

“Yes, once again, Stephanie Brown gets replaced by Babara Gordon.”

One, two three…

[The Caped Knight]

Well that's better I rather have Babs as Batgirl than Steph as Nightwing.

[Webhead2006]

Question though I wonder if she will be changed to batgirl or have barb as knightwing.

[dru-zod2501]

I hope it's not true. Dammit! Stephanie just can't catch a frickin break!! apparently neither can her fans

[ironman29758]

I hope it's not true. Dammit! Stephanie just can't catch a frickin break!! apparently neither can her fans
I might want to avoid all Batman forums for a few months. I feel sorry for all Stephanie Brown fans. The one comic where people could have seen Stephanie and DC decided to change it. I'm a huge fan of Barbara Gordon as well as Dick Grayson(wanted to see him as Robin or Nightwing in Smallville but happy that Stephanie was Nightwing and made sense with all the other Smallville Heroes changes)

[Pepsiguy2]

This is really stupid. Lowers my chances of hype now.

[The Incredible Hulk]

See ya? :confused:

[Webhead2006]

Well it sucks about the change for stephaine but its still cool forr barb.

[Dangerman]

Well that's better I rather have Babs as Batgirl than Steph as Nightwing.
Agreed. I can deal with this change now much better.

[Johnny]

I love Stephanie Brown but you can't go wrong with Babs. On a side note, here's a Cat Staggs sketch of Clark from today's Comic Con:

http://prikachi.com/images/908/5008908Q.jpg

[Webhead2006]

Great tom sketch there.

[Young Superman]

I love Stephanie Brown but you can't go wrong with Babs. On a side note, here's a Cat Staggs sketch of Clark from today's Comic Con:

http://prikachi.com/images/908/5008908Q.jpg

This is great.

[ironman29758]

See ya? :confused:

I meant Batman forums. I'm still coming to Smallville forums

[Binker]

Didio confirmed it just now at the SDCC DC New Wave panel: Barbara Gordon is replacing Stephine Brown as Nightwing on Smallville Season 11. He also said "If we're going to introduce guest characters into the Smallville universe, we want to introduce the most recognizable characters, like Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson and Bruce Wayne." So does that mean Dick Grayson is going to be in the comic too? Great if he is, but as who?

[Webhead2006]

Well that's odd they are not making her batgirl.

[Pepsiguy2]

That's stupid.

[ironman29758]

Didio confirmed it just now at the SDCC DC New Wave panel: Barbara Gordon is replacing Stephine Brown as Nightwing on Smallville Season 11. He also said "If we're going to introduce guest characters into the Smallville universe, we want to introduce the most recognizable characters, like Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson and Bruce Wayne." So does that mean Dick Grayson is going to be in the comic too? Great if he is, but as who?

But they introduced various characters who aren't that recognizable: Mia Dearden(when Roy Harper is the more well known speedy), Barry Allen and Wally West is more known as Flash than Bart, Etc. Most superheroes weren't that well known until Shows like Smallville, Batman:Brave and the Bold,JLU did and according to Geoff Johns what they wanted to have happen? Especially since alot of readers were original Smallville fans.

[Webhead2006]

Ya if they wanted to change to barb should just make her batgirl. But hopefully we ill get more out of bat family.

Well you got to remember when the show was on air. The writers/producers where only allowed to use charracterrs they had rights to. And others where off the table or had to be altered so they where not said character. So this barb thing is a different case.

[Binker]

Actually, I kinda thought that if there was a Smallville Barbara Gordon (or in this case another kind of Smallville Barbara Gordon), that she she wouldn't be Nightwing, nor even Batgirl either, but Oracle. That way, as Batman and Superman butt heads, so will her and Chloe at first. Of course, Bats and Supes become partners, and so will the gals as well.

Hey BTW, no one has asked this yet: what will Smallville Batman have in his arsenal? Will he have the Batmobile or somethign else (maybe he changes in the Wayne sportscar to draw rumors of what Bruce might be doing, then goes out into the night like Year One, or because its a normal car; like the old serials). Batarang? What about the Batcave? Or will he have something that he did have in the comics, but it was well known outside of the comic community, and will be treated as the main elements for this universe?

[Webhead2006]

I am sure bqm wouldn't skimp out on bat gear. As for batcave that counts if we take a trip to gotham in the story.

[ironman29758]

I kind of hope he starts off as the Batman, vigilante/urban legend mostly interested in his parent's killer (simiilar to Bruce in Batman:Earth One, Year One and All Star Batman and Robin) and ends up thanks to meeting Clark and the gang turns into more like the Batman in Super Friends, Justice League, The Batman season 5 more like a superhero inspiring hope in Gotham and fear in criminals(see episodes like Run, Aqua, Siren and Bulletproof for an example of what I'm talking about or the first Superman/Batman teamup in some cartoons like The Batman).

[Webhead2006]

Would be ideal way to handle bat story.

[Brainiac 8]

Maybe he is Batman in the Smallville universe because he was bitten by one of those krypto bats of Lex's....so he's part krypto vampire. :p

kidding kidding :ninja:

[RavenX]

so.....wait......Steph is NOT Nightwing now??? And it's Babs instead??

WTF?? :(

[Johnny]

Yeah, DC did a last minute change. Big deal. Steph is awesome but you can't go wrong with Babs.

[RavenX]

ahh.....that sucks......I was looking forward to Steph as Nightwing........:(

[Webhead2006]

Ya oh well these things happen all the time in corp world and all. Would love to hear some comments from bqm on the change. And I still think would have been nice if they had change barbs to batgirl for the book too. But thaat probably would have been more work to do in little time they had.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

DC screws over Steph once again. I'm pretty disappointed with this.

[Rockstar]

Little blonde female teenboppers should not be associated with Batman.

No major loss.

[Pepsiguy2]

Little blonde female teenboppers should not be associated with Batman.

No major loss.

Who are you talking about? Not steph...

[Rockstar]

Definitely Steph. She sucks.

DC removing her from this and New 52 was smart.

She's just unnecessary. Batman has enough kid sidekicks who are much better. He doesn't need another. He's not running a nursery.

[Pepsiguy2]

In the latest Starkville House of El Podcast, BQM said "it's pretty much Nightwing and Batman on Clark's turf for 95% of the story", Gotham for a couple of scenes.

I guess not much Alfred :(

[Webhead2006]

Well alfred isn't really needed if they are spending time in metropolis unless there is a bunch of bruce/babs not in costume scenes. Then alfred being there too makes sense. But maybe they will throw a alfred scene in.

[Binker]

I can't wait for Detective to start, and I haven't even gotten my copy of #4 yet. For Smallville's Batman, I really want to know some things that I hope this story will reveal to us, hint to us, or the series later on will: Bruce Wayne's origin, how much is he different compared to other versions, his War on Crime: did he do it differently and what was he before becoming Batman (did Superman have something to do with it), will he have the wayne manor/batcave or the wayne pentehouse/waynetech or a mixture of the two, batmobile and other gadgets?

Time will tell, but I can't wait!

[Webhead2006]

It hasn't come out yet. And first part of digital isn't out to next week I believe. It was said before from bqm that batman been in operation for some time before clark was the blur. As for his home and what gadgets we don't know yet.

[Binker]

I know that. What was I saying was, I was wondering what the arc will be telling us. It wasn't questions that I asking on this thread.

[Webhead2006]

Oh my mistake then

[The Incredible Hulk]

Not sure you'll get a ton of backstory on him. Maybe about as much as you got for the other JLA members when they were introduced on the TV show.

[Doc Ock]

I think Batman...looks sweet! And I prefer the classic grey with black and yellow logo. So exciting to see Batman finally appear in the world of Smallville.

[Young Superman]

Since in Smallville: Season 11 Hank Henshaw's appearance was loosely based on actor Matthew Fox. I wonder if the Smallville version of Bruce Wayne's appearance will be based on any particular actor?

[Webhead2006]

I am sure it is, bqm will probably comment on it once issues come out.

[ironman29758]

New picture of Batman and Nightwing http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2012/08/09/52-reasons-to-start-reading-smallville-season-11:

http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/SmallvilleBatmanNightwing.jpg

[Revenger]

Barbara is Nightwing?

[The Caped Knight]

Barbara is Nightwing?

Apparently .

[Young Superman]

The Batsuit looks bad in that pic.

[Webhead2006]

I still like to see it in better setting.

[Revenger]

Well it's just a drawing, which means it changes from panel to panel.

[Webhead2006]

Ya that is what I meant.

[Pepsiguy2]

Since in Smallville: Season 11 Hank Henshaw's appearance was loosely based on actor Matthew Fox. I wonder if the Smallville version of Bruce Wayne's appearance will be based on any particular actor?

BQM said he had two actors in mind to play Bats in the show, one of which was used in Smallville. He'll reveal it soon.

The Batsuit looks bad in that pic.

Agreed, but it's been looking good on the covers.

[Young Superman]

BQM said he had two actors in mind to play Bats in the show, one of which was used in Smallville. He'll reveal it soon.

Cool, I habe a feeling it's Sam Witwer.

Agreed, but it's been looking good on the covers
Agreed

[The Incredible Hulk]

First digital issue is out next Friday, right?

[smallville fan]

Possible guesses:

Jensen Ackles: He's just awesome and let's not forget about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx79_X9pKto

Eric Martsolf: seems like someone who could play the part of a Genius, Billionaire, Playboy,Philanthropist,Detective,Pilot,Master of disguise....

Ian Somerhalder: For lols

[The Incredible Hulk]

considering Somerhalder's character was actually called "Adam Knight" it might not be as "lol" as you'd think.

[Pepsiguy2]

I think we should base it off that jaw in the pic >_>

[Webhead2006]

Will be fun to see what bqm says.

[Young Superman]

I hope we see a Bruce/Oliver fight in "Detective".

[Webhead2006]

Man would be nice to see ollie/ga and bats side by side.

[Binker]

Or a "wing wink" when Green Arrow looks at what Batman has, and says something like "I should get all this for myself".

[smallville fan]

I wonder how Ollie would feel when Bruce meets Chloe, given the sheer amount of Bruce/Chloe fanfics throughout the internet.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm sure the Green Arrow has a ton of time to sit around and read internet fanfics :D lol

[KalKai]

SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 #7
Written by BRYAN Q. MILLER
Art by CHRISCROSS and MARC DEERING
Cover by MICO SUAYAN
On sale NOVEMBER 7 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T
• The first time in print for these digital first adventures!
• It’s a four-way, knock-down, drag out rumble as Intergang guns-for-hire PRANKSTER and MISTER FREEZE join the fray.
• Can BATMAN and SUPERMAN survive these villains and protect the life of – Joe Chill?!

http://i.imgur.com/Ytf5B.jpg

[Young Superman]

Awesome.

[Doc Ock]

Awesome.

And thats putting it lightly. :D

[The Caped Knight]

SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 #7
Written by BRYAN Q. MILLER
Art by CHRISCROSS and MARC DEERING
Cover by MICO SUAYAN
On sale NOVEMBER 7 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T
• The first time in print for these digital first adventures!
• It’s a four-way, knock-down, drag out rumble as Intergang guns-for-hire PRANKSTER and MISTER FREEZE join the fray.
• Can BATMAN and SUPERMAN survive these villains and protect the life of – Joe Chill?!

http://i.imgur.com/Ytf5B.jpg

Why does Batman look more badass on the cover art than in the actual issue?

[ironman29758]

SMALLVILLE SEASON 11 #7
Written by BRYAN Q. MILLER
Art by CHRISCROSS and MARC DEERING
Cover by MICO SUAYAN
On sale NOVEMBER 7 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T
• The first time in print for these digital first adventures!
• It’s a four-way, knock-down, drag out rumble as Intergang guns-for-hire PRANKSTER and MISTER FREEZE join the fray.
• Can BATMAN and SUPERMAN survive these villains and protect the life of – Joe Chill?!

http://i.imgur.com/Ytf5B.jpg
well this is kind of a fresh breath from the usual Joker/Luthor or Luthor hires Gotham Badguys team up on first meeting. plus the fact the Smallville return of Intergang(and maybe Bruno Mannheim) and introduction of Mr.Freeze and Prankster(Wonder how they will be Smallvillized).

[Webhead2006]

Ah sweet cover and details about freexe and prankster coming to sv. Can't wait.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Why does Batman look more badass on the cover art than in the actual issue?

:huh: we've seen one non-colored image from the issue thus far.

[Johnny]

What Hulk said. Actually see how Batman looks in the issue first, then judge it after.

[Young Superman]

I like the look of Barbara Gordon as Nightwing.

[KalKai]

Clearly the insides are never going to match up to the masterpieces covers, that should be obvious.

It's all about time and money.

But these new issues will have 40 pages! Unless that's 2 digital issues for the print issue? Yeah.

[Binker]

In the end, these covers proves that the design for the Batsuit, like the Superman costume, from the Smallville universe, are great/cool/badass; good.

[smallville fan]

Hey guys, I'm so psyched for Detective! I made this fan-trailer for this arc a while back, and I just want to repost it so it can get some hits. If the show was still on I'm sure they would make a trailer like this.

Please like and comment!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo-737_I7hY

[Young Superman]

Hey guys, I'm so psyched for Detective! I made this fan-trailer for this arc a while back, and I just want to repost it so it can get some hits. If the show was still on I'm sure they would make a trailer like this.

Please like and comment!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo-737_I7hY

That was awesome.

[herolee10]

http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2012/08/16/smvl5altbcoverrevjpg-440675_800w.jpg


The Dark Knight Comes to Smallville: Season 11


Back in June, we found out that a longtime dream of Smallville (http://tv.ign.com/objects/824/824103.html) fans was set to come true: Batman would be arriving in the pages of Smallville: Season 11 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/14/batman-arrives-in-smallville-2), the comic book continuation of the hit Superman show. We stand on the eve of the digital-first issue's release -- which you can download tomorrow (http://www.comixology.com/Smallville-Season-11/comics-series/8039) for a mere .99 cents on the DC Comics (http://comics.ign.com/objects/734/734474.html) app -- and so we talked with series writer Bryan Q. Miller about the implications Batman's arrival will have on Clark Kent and his friends. We also touch on the Stephanie Brown controversy (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/14/comic-con-dcs-new-wave-panel-recape) from Comic-Con, in which it was revealed that the fan-favorite character, initially slated to be present in the role of Nightwing, was axed for reasons unknown and replaced with Barbara Gordon.


IGN Comics: Let’s get the elephant out of the room first and put it to rest: Nightwing. Stephanie Brown. What’s the real story behind the change to Barbara Gordon?

Bryan Q. Miller: The editorial staff wanted a more “iconic character” in this case. Given the nature of our female Nightwing’s use in the story, of the available replacements, I leaned toward having Babs wielding the charged-escrima. That really was the beginning and the end of it.


IGN: Did the change affect anything significant for you story-wise? Did it require any rewriting other than dialogue?

Miller: The story itself only featured Steph as a supporting player, and was never directly about her, so the adventure was and remains a Superman/Batman World’s Finest action-packed romp in which Bruce is accompanied by a strong, positive, female apprentice.


IGN: Batman’s appearance in the Smallville Universe is obviously long-awaited by fans. Do you feel any pressure – more than normal, I guess – to deliver the goods?

Miller: Absolutely. It’s a bit crushing, really. On the plus side, this arc has been written for a little while, so there’s a distinct difference between the “do it right” writing pressure and the “hope they like it” release pressure.


IGN: What’s the nature of Batman’s introduction? Is he already operating as Batman when Clark meets him or will we see him take up the mantle after the fact?

Miller: You will most certainly meet a Batman who is knee-deep in his career within the first 10 pages of the arc. Intergang’s been shipping high-tech anti-hero weaponry to any city with a “cape problem.” Batman and Nightwing’s run-in digs up a connection to his parents’ murder, lo, those vaguely many years ago.


IGN: In Smallville, Clark’s journey was influenced by many of the other heroes that answered the call of duty before him, or before he was ready to. Now that Clark is operating as Superman when he meets Batman, has his perspective on these kind of relationships/team-ups changed?

Miller: In Season 10, we saw Clark finally begin to use the knowledge he gained over the course of the entire series to help deal with certain situations. Now that he’s finally in the cape and has taken to the skies, he’s much more in command of how he approaches confrontations/team-ups like these. Clark’s grown up a lot – he isn’t going to immediately jump to the “You’re a villain!” place when another cape passes through. Metropolis is Clark’s city. He’s the superhero sheriff, as far as he’s concerned.


If Batman (or any other vigilante) rolls into town, Superman is the one who’s going to strive to take the driver’s seat and set the ground rules. Now, how Batman responds to these “rules” may not be to Superman’s liking. This isn’t, however, a Superman vs. Batman story. There might be some conflict, but it’s very much more (especially once we get past the first 30) Lethal Weapon with the World’s Finest.


IGN: What do you consider to be the cornerstone of Superman and Batman’s relationship, and how are you reflecting that in Smallville?

Miller: The tough part is that we’ve kind of mined that iconic Clark/Bruce friendship space with Clark and Oliver throughout the latter half of the series. This meeting is much more Clark becoming an ally who’s helped Bruce come to several realizations – not just about how to protect a city, but about himself. Superman is one who inspires, and that won’t be lost on Batman. There’s a great amount of respect that will bond the two men.


IGN: From the cover images that we’ve seen, Batman looks like he’s more armor-plated than we’re used to seeing him. Can you talk a little bit about the design of the Smallville version of Batman and how it relates to the character that we’ll meet?

Miller: He’s very much just a man, and a smart one at that. And he’s also quite wealthy. Batman doesn’t take his war on crime lightly, and does his best to equip himself for any situation. This isn’t Year One for Batman. We’re somewhere between year 5 and 10 for him. You’ll see a Nightwing who’s far less armored – literally armed with escrima, a few gadgets, and a ton of moxie. She’s the scout. She’s the dancer. Batman – he’s the tank. And Gotham criminals don’t play fair. So Bruce is going to carry around as much with him as possible.


IGN: In terms of Nightwing, what role will she play in the story as a whole? Is she mostly a supporting character for Batman or will we get to see her interact with the established characters at length?

Miller: It’s a Batman/Superman tale, but since we’re an ensemble piece, there are definitely different pairings and interactions that we’ll see, not just between Nightwing and some of our players, but between Babs and the gang. It’s Bruce’s journey, though, through and through.


IGN: What’s the threat that Superman and Batman will be facing? Does the introduction of Batman indicate that one of his rogues might make their way to Metropolis?

Miller: Like we said a few questions back, the onion starts peeling with Intergang, and we wind up in a very big, bigger than we could ever do on television, place with not just one of Batman’s rogues, but a new one for Superman, as well.


IGN: In the DCU, historically, Batman and Green Arrow haven’t always been the best of allies. Are there any plans to explore that relationship, be it hero-to-hero or billionaire-to-billionaire?

Miller: There’s definite friction between the two, but much more in an Arrow-Batman direction. Bruce in no way takes Ollie seriously. Green Arrow pretty much isn’t on Batman’s radar as either an ally or a threat. This will prove to be a big “growing up” year for Oliver, so that’s only going to help him along.


IGN: Are you angling to make Batman a more permanent fixture in the Smallville Universe in the way that Green Arrow has become one?

Miller: Editorial-willing, we’ll definitely see him return for at least 2 more stories this season, but he won’t be around as a fixture. We’ve got our hands full with our ensemble, plus we’ll be revisiting old friends and meeting new allies and enemies. Lots of things to do!


IGN: With the Smallville comics having more freedom to introduce the other major players of the DCU, does this mean there could be plans to introduce Wonder Woman down the line? Make the trinity complete?

Miller: I wonder if that’s in the cards. It’s really a wonderful idea. Thanks for thinking about that, Joey – you’re a prince.


IGN: Last time we talked (http://comics.ign.com/articles/122/1221300p1.html), you were still adjusting to the digital format of this book. Making sure that it’s fulfilling as its own chapter but making sure that it works in the print context as well. Has that process become any easier for you? What’ve you learned working in this format?

Miller: I think we found our feet right around Chapters 5 and 6 of Guardian. If nothing else, the short burst approach keeps you on your writer toes. Every 10 pages has to have enough of a cliffhanger/reveal/question mark that people are willing to come back after a week and read more. But for the print crowd, every 30 pages has to have enough of a cliffhanger to make them want to go back out into the world and find another copy after an entire month has passed. It’s a challenge, to be sure. I think what I took away from Guardian going into Detective was to not be afraid to burn through plot. Just keep throwing logs into the fire and hope everyone likes the heat.


IGN: Anything you’d like to add?

Miller: Response has been fantastic, and I just hope people, both from the show and new to the world, keep digging it. Digital’s been selling like hot cakes, and we had a sell-out and reprint on print issue #1 – which is great. I’ve never had a sell-out before… or at least if I have, no one’s told me about it. I’d remind anyone buying in print to order it with their LCS ahead of time – higher print numbers benefit fans and creatives alike!





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http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/16/the-dark-knight-comes-to-smallville-season-11

[Johnny]

Good interview. Can't wait to see how they tackle Bruce tomorrow. We finally got him on the show. And no budget nor actor availability concerns. Hope Detective delivers.

[The Caped Knight]

I love Bruce's attitude to babs in that preview . Also great interview it sounds like BQM knows exactly how to make Batman stand very much apart from SV version of Green Arrow. I love it can't wait for Tomorrow

[Binker]

Cave? Helicopter? Tank? Like Dark Knight Returns....?

Like The Dark Knight Returns!!!

YES!!!

[The Caped Knight]

Cave? Helicopter? Tank? Like Dark Knight Returns....?

Like The Dark Knight Returns!!!

YES!!!

WORD :batty:

[Binker]

BTW, did anyone notice the Batman voice bubbles are white on black, probably meaning not normal voice? I doubt it would be a whisper like keaton, or rasp like Bale; maybe its machine-like like Arrow's.

[The Caped Knight]

BTW, did anyone notice the Batman voice bubbles are white on black, probably meaning not normal voice? I doubt it would be a whisper like keaton, or rasp like Bale; maybe its machine-like like Arrow's.

Depending on the dialogue I'll just imagine the voice of either "Kevin Conroy", "Christian Bale" or "Bruce Greenword". But most likely I'll stick with Conroy since he is the defining voice of Batman.

[Young Superman]

Can't wait for this. The Smallville Batsuit looks better here.

[herolee10]

I wonder what SV's take on Joker would be like if he were to be introduced into the canon, let alone to team up with MR's Lex for future stories...

I'm actually curious to see what "Bruce Wayne" looks like since the guy looks like he's freaking dead (pale) while wearing the Batman getup. I mean, you could actually buy that some thugs would believe that this guy is a monster if he were to use that theatricality and lighting correctly when taunting them.

[Young Superman]

I love the idea of Bruce wearing the blueish face paint as Batman.

[herolee10]

I'm glad that BQM said that Superman will be inspiring Batman in this take since by all accounts, whenever a new hero has come in SV, or even in the DCAU, Superman has been made to look bad and like a novice at times, let alone when paired up next to Batman

[The Caped Knight]

I'm glad that BQM said that Superman will be inspiring Batman in this take since by all accounts, whenever a new hero has come in SV, or even in the DCAU, Superman has been made to look bad and like a novice at times, let alone when paired up next to Batman

It sounds like both heroes with inspire each other but from different perspectives .

[herolee10]

It sounds like both heroes with inspire each other but from different perspectives .

Which is a win win situation in my books

[The Caped Knight]

Here's the cover by Cat Staggs without IGN watermark logo
http://i50.tinypic.com/2a4wvv7.jpg
http://gattadonna.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5bg99m

[smallville fan]

http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2012/08/16/smvl5altbcoverrevjpg-440675_800w.jpg




http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2012/08/16/smvch13dp09jpg-440674_640w.jpg

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http://assets2.ignimgs.com/2012/08/16/smvch13pd20jpg-440672_640w.jpg


http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/16/the-dark-knight-comes-to-smallville-season-11


As I'm looking over these pages I'm imagining various soundtrack pieces from Batman TAS(by Shirley Walker) being played. :)

Looks amazing. I feel inspired to make another fan trailer for this occasion.

[ironman29758]

As I'm looking over these pages I'm imagining various soundtrack pieces from Batman TAS(by Shirley Walker) being played. :)

Looks amazing. I feel inspired to make another fan trailer for this occasion.
Yeah the Smallville Batman costume has a feel of Chris Nolan Batman meets The Batman meets Navy ops meets Smallville. I'm enjoying it so far.

I hope you do make another detective fan trailer (maybe even a season 11 theme song if we're lucky.hint hint.:awesome::supes:)

[herolee10]

IF Smallville had even premiered 2-4 years later than 2001, they might have been able to get Batman on their show considering on how TDKR came to a close this year.

[ironman29758]

Bryan Q Miller confirmed on his twitter that chris nolan Batman's voice is similar to Smallville's Batman's voice. I was actually hoping for a more cartoon voice like Kevin Conray, Rino Romano or even Brave and the Bold's Batman's voice but Chris Bale had a good Batman's voice too:


https://twitter.com/bryanQmiller/status/236238396333363200

Sean Donahue ‏@Konn_el
@bryanQmiller is your batman gonna reflect Nolan's batman at all??
Bryan Miller
‏@bryanQmiller 6h
@Konn_el He growls the same, but that's about it
4:09 PM - 16 Aug 12 via Twitter for Mac · Embed this Tweet

[smallville fan]

Yeah the Smallville Batman costume has a feel of Chris Nolan Batman meets The Batman meets Navy ops meets Smallville. I'm enjoying it so far.

I hope you do make another detective fan trailer (maybe even a season 11 theme song if we're lucky.hint hint.:awesome::supes:)

If I did include a theme song in this trailer, it'll probably be one of Batman's

[Compi716]

Has the reason for Batman's face being blue been discussed?

[The Caped Knight]

Has the reason for Batman's face being blue been discussed?

I'm guessing it's part the mask just like the Batman Beyond suit.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2euu0qo.jpg

[Young Superman]

Has the reason for Batman's face being blue been discussed?

I think it's face paint.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Has the reason for Batman's face being blue been discussed?


face paint, used mostly for camouflage, similar to what you'd see on a Navy SEAL.

[ironman29758]

has anyone gotten a chance to read the first chapter of Detective. Spoilers Please!

[Webhead2006]

Some nice panels and good interview from bqm on the batman story. Can't wait for first print issue.

[Binker]

Basically...

Clark and Lois are finally together, but what Lex did is still a problem. They are at the Fortress, and Oliver made sure one of his satellites block Lex' for one second so Clark and Lois could teleport to the Fortress without Lex knowing.

In Gotham, like the preview showed: the man in charge, Saul, is about to give hi-tech weapons to Intergang when Nightwing shows up. Saul escapes, as everyone else is down, but is ambushed by Batman, who was watching ten stories up. After kicking and threatening him, Saul reveals his boss is Joe Chill. In the end, Batman and Nightwing head to Metropolis.

So far, so good. Things to note: you see Lois (based on Erica Durance) in bunny slippers; after the last scene in "Finale", the Jor-El AI is gone and now the Fortress is Clark's; I swear the building shown in the first Gotham shot is from Batman Forever or Batman & Robin; because of how she talks, Barbara/Nightwing makes me think of Robin (Dick, or Young Jason, idk on Tim, maybe even Steph) than Barbara/Batgirl, or even Nightwing...ish; the Batsuit is fine, it's more on Batman's attitude and gadgets than how the suit looks that makes people fear him (as expected). The lenses must be actual lenses because Batman sees Saul's truck on infrared, fitting on theory that the cowl must be a combat-type helmet that Bruce refined as a cowl. We do get two shots of Bruce's origin, but nothing new to make it different...yet.

Can't wait for the next one!

[smallville fan]

OMG, it was totally amazing!!! I was imagining the Nolan theme being played in the background as Nightwing and Batman entered and started to do their thing. :D. You can definitely hear Bale's voice through the character. Bring on Issue 2!!!!

Here's the flash of Bruce Wayne's origin

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/7536/batmansmallville.jpg

[KalKai]

Did the art go up a notch?

The new guys did a great job on Clark:

http://i.imgur.com/RhGvX.png

Quite the contrast from Perez.

http://i.imgur.com/ezzuo.png

http://i.imgur.com/iaqmu.png

http://i.imgur.com/iJt2c.png

[ironman29758]

THANKS for the spoilers guys. I'm trying to get a Barnes and Nobles nook book so I can get my daily fix of Smallville and get connected to the digital world.

[The Caped Knight]

I loved seeing Lois & Clark at the fortress together for a romantic evening soiree gateway.

It's a nice nod to Superman II as well as many issues in the Superman comics and even showcased in the dc animation film "Superman Doomsday".

I lol when I saw Lois in those fluffy bunny slippers.


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[Pepsiguy2]

I loved seeing Lois & Clark at the fortress together for a romantic evening soiree gateway.

It's a nice nod to Superman II as well as many issues in the Superman comics and even showcased in the dc animation film "Superman Doomsday".

I lol when I saw Lois in those fluffy bunny slippers.


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Yeah I loved the fortress scene.


Overall this issue was a GREAT introductory issue.

[Webhead2006]

Sounds like it was a nice start to the bat story.

[Young Superman]

Do we know what Bruce Wayne looks like yet?

[Johnny]

No. They only showed him as a kid in a flashback scene from the murder of his parents.

[Young Superman]

Like KalKai said ChrisCross draws a great Clark.