I wish Disney could get the rights from Fox [Archive]

Smashlilman

07-05-2012, 12:16 PM

That way it could share the same universe as Marvel's new movie universe.

I agree Fox has run the X-men franchise into the ground. I wish there was some major loop hole in there contact that allowed Marvel/Disney to get the rights back.

Even if they get the rights back from Fox, they don't need to cram X-Men and Spiderman into The Avengers franchise.
Sharing the same universe doesn't mean movie crossover. It just means the possibility is there but I could still see Wolverine and Spider-man popping up in the Avengers.

I have no doubt that Marvel Studios would do a much better job with the X-Men than Fox has, but having that property back could bog down the universe they've created and will continue to expand with the characters they haven't used yet, so for now, I'm fine with Fox owning the rights to X-Men, and Sony having Spider-Man for that matter.
Sorry but if they can handle Guardians of the Galaxy then they can handle X-men.

Angamb

07-05-2012, 12:21 PM

if the rights were back at Marvel like.... this year, we wouldnt see Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy as Magneto and Charles again....

so let Fox do some more great movies with this cast, and lets see what happens after them :)

RachelDawes

07-05-2012, 02:06 PM

I agree Fox has run the X-men franchise into the ground. I wish there was some major loop hole in there contact that allowed Marvel/Disney to get the rights back.

How does First Class qualify as running the X-men franchise into the ground? It was liked by both the audience and critics.

BH/HHH

07-05-2012, 02:47 PM

I have to admit I wouldn't mind Disney getting the rights back. Not because i want a crossover but I would love to see an X-Men film with the comics costumes or something similar and a more comic book feel. But I do want to see where First Class is going to take us. I'm sure one day it'l be rebooted in this way but right now I'm enjoying what we're getting.

BMM

07-05-2012, 04:06 PM

Sorry but if they can handle Guardians of the Galaxy then they can handle X-men.

The Guardians of the Galaxy work because their universe more easily crosses over into the story Marvel Studios is currently trying to tell. The X-Men do not.

Also, comparing the entirety of the X-Men universe to a small team established in 2008 is absurd.

Smashlilman

07-06-2012, 02:46 AM

The Guardians of the Galaxy work because their universe more easily crosses over into the story Marvel Studios is currently trying to tell. The X-Men do not.

Also, comparing the entirety of the X-Men universe to a small team established in 2008 is absurd.

I'm saying that GotG is a more difficult film to create and sell to the public and if Marvel can successfully do GotG they can successfully do X-men. Plus i wouldn't mind seeing the X-men characters done Justice.

marvelrobbins

07-06-2012, 06:41 AM

Saying Fox has run X-men Into the grounds and saying Marvel would do X-men justice
I am going to have to strongly disagree there.I will take X-Men,X2,and First Class over
Both Iron Man films,The Incredible Hulk,Thor,and Captain America.And I consider X2 better than The Avengers.

Marvel studios only does films Important to Avengers films.Assuming Guardians of the
Galaxy Is the second 2014 film It's only been done as part of leadup to The Avengers 2.
I don't want yo wait at least 10 years for another X-Men film.

And I hate to tell people but people were reading 616 comics long before 2000 and start of ultimate universe.Marvel studios far too much Ignores Classic Marvel to adopt
Ultimate line.

psylockolussus

07-07-2012, 12:24 AM

I have a feeling if Marvel gets the film rights for X-Men and Spider-Man, they would call it their films "Marvel's X-Men" and "Marvel's Spider-Man". Its just a movie title and it has nothing to do with the quality of the movie but I don't like that they added the "Marvel's" in the Avengers' movie title.

Majik1387

07-07-2012, 12:26 AM

I don't think that Marvel Studios can handle the X-Men universe at this point in time honestly. Besides, Fox already pre-booting the franchise worked in their favor, I'd like to see what else comes of their new series.

Silvermoth

07-15-2012, 05:25 AM

The problem with combining all the universes is that Marvel are such Wolverine fans that they would probably turn The Avengers into 'Wolverine featuring The Avengers'. The way things are now, that's probably for the best.

Although I would love to see Wanda and Pietro as Avengers fight their father.

Avenger

07-15-2012, 05:40 AM

I'm glad they don't have the rights. I prefer the X-Men off in their own universe. I've never liked that the X-Men coexist in the same world as the Avengers and other Marvel characters. The mutants' struggle for acceptance just feels incongruous in a world where many other superpowered human beings exist.

I'm also glad that Spider-Man is off on his own, but not for the same reason. I just think Spidey works better on his own. I just wish that he and Daredevil were owned by the same studio so that they could both utilize the Kingpin.

The only property I'd like to see return to Marvel is the Fantastic Four, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

Oh, and the best part about Marvel not having the rights to the X-Men or Spider-Man? No freaking Wolverine or Spidey in the Avengers!

def28

07-15-2012, 06:06 AM

The only property I'd like to see return to Marvel is the Fantastic Four, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

Agreed, especially with Marvel going cosmic. It would be nice if they had Surfer and Galactus back.

SoNicRaDiATioN

07-15-2012, 04:10 PM

I think X-Men and Spider-Man are definitely better off at Fox and Sony. The First Class sequel has great potential to rival the Avengers (not at the box office obviously). And X2 is still the best Marvel team-up there is on celluloid imo.

ciscostudent561

07-17-2012, 06:32 AM

Spuzz

07-18-2012, 04:19 PM

X2 is still the best Marvel team-up there is on celluloid imo.

:highfive:

YoungPrime

07-20-2012, 03:24 PM

no way

i love marvel but First Class>Thor and CA

That's because X-men is a better comic than both Thor and Captain American and that's despite Fox screwing things up... Not because Marvel Studio did a poor job with those 2 movies.

Hell, if Christopher Nolan made an epic "Go-bots" movie today people would still love Transformers more despite what Bay has done to them... Why? Because Transformers is a better franchise than Gobots. So it's really not fair to count Marvel studios out because they can still would make a better X-men film than Fox could even a good day.

Fox doesn't even respect it's own continuity, they barely made their money back domestically when in fact the X-men franchise should be doing Avenger's numbers. And Wolverine should be doing close to Dark Knight's numbers as well. But Fox takes too many shortcuts, poor scripts, bad actors. And history has proven that they don't really care about the characters they b*stardize time and time again.

So if you guys don't think that Marvel/Disney wouldn't be the best suited at making and Xmen, F4 and Spidey films after already seeing the best of what Sony/Fox can do, then it's obvious that you're all secretly Sony/Fox execs.

That or there's a Skrull invasion on this site....LOL!

YoungPrime

07-20-2012, 03:37 PM

Ugh! will this ever stop?!

If Marvel Studios get the movie rights for Spider-Man and X-Men, do you think they will have a lot of time prioritizing X-Men and Spider-Man? I don't think so. Marvel Studios is already busy with The Avengers/Iron Man/Captain America/Thor/GuardiansoftheGalaxy/etc... Let X-Men stay with Fox. X-Men: First Class was awesome anyway.

You obviously have no imagination...

Disney would put half of those on hold in a heartbeat to get a shot at making a "quality" X-men or Spidey film. Trust me...Guardians could wait!

And as entertaining as First Class was, it still should have been much, much better. So you don't honestly think it would be better in the hands of people who's first thoughts on casting actors wouldn't include casting "Black Eyed Peas" members as mutants...?

YoungPrime

07-20-2012, 06:13 PM

That way it could share the same universe as Marvel's new movie universe.

You and I both brother... But one can only dream at this point...

psylockolussus

07-20-2012, 06:15 PM

You obviously have no imagination...

Poor me :csad:.

Lord

07-20-2012, 07:02 PM

That's because X-men is a better comic than both Thor and Captain American and that's despite Fox screwing things up... Not because Marvel Studio did a poor job with those 2 movies.

Uhm, NO!
I'm didn't read enough of Thor but they had DAMN GOOD material with World War II Captain America, instead moving so fast to the man out of time character to make him appear in Avengers they should have tried to focus more on the war. I mean, the first half was great, it really good, extablished the characters and made us like them, the problem was really the 2nd half, Bucky's death wasn't even as sentimental as it could have been, when he died most didn't care, he was barelly there.

And one of the things that made more mad was how they decided to disconect the film so quickly from the Nazis, those were the reason he went to war to begin with, i wanted to see him beating Nazis:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Captainamerica1.jpg/220px-Captainamerica1.jpg

Not freaking Hydra :cmad:

Marvel Studios films after Iron Man 1 was successful enough have seemed a little childish, try to distance themselves from Nazism, racism, scary aliens (the chitauri would be scary if used like in Ultimates :o), that's ok for a cartoon, but not for a movie.

The fact that captain America only had 1 film to show his entire WWII story hurt the potencial of the story.

YoungPrime

07-20-2012, 07:57 PM

Uhm, NO!
I'm didn't read enough of Thor but they had DAMN GOOD material with World War II Captain America, instead moving so fast to the man out of time character to make him appear in Avengers they should have tried to focus more on the war. I mean, the first half was great, it really good, extablished the characters and made us like them, the problem was really the 2nd half, Bucky's death wasn't even as sentimental as it could have been, when he died most didn't care, he was barelly there.

And one of the things that made more mad was how they decided to disconect the film so quickly from the Nazis, those were the reason he went to war to begin with, i wanted to see him beating Nazis:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Captainamerica1.jpg/220px-Captainamerica1.jpg

Not freaking Hydra :cmad:

Marvel Studios films after Iron Man 1 was successful enough have seemed a little childish, try to distance themselves from Nazism, racism, scary aliens (the chitauri would be scary if used like in Ultimates :o), that's ok for a cartoon, but not for a movie.

The fact that captain America only had 1 film to show his entire WWII story hurt the potencial of the story.

Me saying that X-men is a better book then Cap and Thor isn't the same as saying that the 2 are crap. It's just to say that as a comic book fan most like X-men more.

And who's to say that Capt America's sequel wont dig deeper into his past???
Especially with it being titled "Winter Soldier"....

BMM

07-20-2012, 08:04 PM

So if you guys don't think that Marvel/Disney wouldn't be the best suited at making and Xmen, F4 and Spidey films after already seeing the best of what Sony/Fox can do, then it's obvious that you're all secretly Sony/Fox execs.

That or there's a Skrull invasion on this site....LOL!

That's right.

Those of you who have been here for years, through the good and the bad, aren't true fans. The person who created an account today, however, and only grew a spine after the success of the Avengers, is the real deal. Give me a break.

YoungPrime

07-20-2012, 09:38 PM

That's right.

Those of you who have been here for years, through the good and the bad, aren't true fans. The person who created an account today, however, and only grew a spine after the success of the Avengers, is the real deal. Give me a break.

So when unable to form a legitimate rebuttal, use misdirection and word manipulation huh... well have fun with that. I'm poised to believe that those who have endured the good and the bad would have their hearts set on what could potentially be "the great"

Fox had their chance. I think an X-men film under Marvel would share the same success as Avengers. So if you really wanna break then stop hanging to Fox as if you owe them something.

Trust me if Avengers was as bad as X-men United or Wolverine this would be a dead issue.

def28

07-20-2012, 10:05 PM

I am curious to what Marvel would do, but right now I think we are in good hands with Vaughn and crew, and Marvels too busy with 2 to 3 movies every year right now. Eventually I hope Marvel get all their rights back, and with the billions they are making I think they will be able to do that down the road. It is were they belong, but I see no reason for them to switch studios when FC was so good and getting started.

BMM

07-21-2012, 03:21 AM

So when unable to form a legitimate rebuttal, use misdirection and word manipulation huh... well have fun with that. I'm poised to believe that those who have endured the good and the bad would have their hearts set on what could potentially be "the great"

Fox had their chance. I think an X-men film under Marvel would share the same success as Avengers. So if you really wanna break then stop hanging to Fox as if you owe them something.

Trust me if Avengers was as bad as X-men United or Wolverine this would be a dead issue.

My post is as much of a legitimate rebuttal as someone like you deserves. You're not here to have a discussion. You're here to talk down to people and name call, like you have been since your first post. There’s no misdirection here. You’re trolling, plain and simple.

Lord

07-21-2012, 04:23 AM

Me saying that X-men is a better book then Cap and Thor isn't the same as saying that the 2 are crap. It's just to say that as a comic book fan most like X-men more.

And who's to say that Capt America's sequel wont dig deeper into his past???
Especially with it being titled "Winter Soldier"....
The way you said it was as if you thought that there couldn't have been made a movie with those two that would be better than the X-Men ones, but no, with Captain America there was material to make in amazing, if they weren't afraid to use Nazism and other heavy stuff of the war.

If Marvel Studios got the rights of X-Men back there could also be the risk that they would tone down racism and some of the themes of the X-Men franchise as they have been doing with their movies.

YoungPrime

07-21-2012, 04:15 PM

YoungPrime

07-21-2012, 04:28 PM

My post is as much of a legitimate rebuttal as someone like you deserves. You're not here to have a discussion. You're here to talk down to people and name call, like you have been since your first post. There’s no misdirection here. You’re trolling, plain and simple.

Huh....didn't know anyone with half a sense of humor would take that Skrull line even partially serious.

So here's an idea, how about simply updating your ignore list if you're unable to keep up the pace... Especially if grandstanding and posting conjecture is your attribute.

And with that said, I think I'm done talking at you...

YoungPrime

07-21-2012, 04:42 PM

The way you said it was as if you thought that there couldn't have been made a movie with those two that would be better than the X-Men ones, but no, with Captain America there was material to make in amazing, if they weren't afraid to use Nazism and other heavy stuff of the war.

If Marvel Studios got the rights of X-Men back there could also be the risk that they would tone down racism and some of the themes of the X-Men franchise as they have been doing with their movies.

Well in their defense I've always found the books and cartoon episodes that only featured racist, mutant hating, powerless humans (Friends Of Humanity) really, really BORING! Not to mention It was very frustrating to hear Professor X preaching...."No Eric! Don't use your powers on those evil humans who just killed 25 children while burning down our school...We're better than that."

So yeah.....skip that part please.

Majik1387

07-21-2012, 05:29 PM

Skip the part that gave is such success and its major audience? How about no.

Lord

07-21-2012, 05:56 PM

Well in their defense I've always found the books and cartoon episodes that only featured racist, mutant hating, powerless humans (Friends Of Humanity) really, really BORING! Not to mention It was very frustrating to hear Professor X preaching...."No Eric! Don't use your powers on those evil humans who just killed 25 children while burning down our school...We're better than that."

So yeah.....skip that part please.
:huh: That's the center of the X-Men franchise, it aalso has some cool Science Fiction elements but racism is one of the center themes of the X-Men, if you take that you may as well use a different marvel franchise instead of taking the core of one that already exists.

And it's not as if Marvel Studios was that perfect, after Iron Man they have only paid safe with their movies, not to mention the let down that was Iron Man 2, i actually liked that film, but many of the fans didn't and it's easy to see why, it was rushed since the begining to give way to the Avengers. Even the director dislike the result if i remember well, and many directors and fans regard it as a terrible sequel.

And now lets see the people they have making their upcoming movies, Iron Man 3 is going to be directed by a guy that has only made one film, but since it was so good and he has a history in the cinema business he's an exelent choice and i bet the film's going to be great, but now lets move on to the other 2, Thor 2 is going to be directed by Alan Taylor who directed The Emperor's New Clothes :dry:, he only made 3 films that weren't very successful (they barely have a wikipedia page) and the last one was in 2003.

Captain America 2 is going to be directed by the Russo Brothers, who made:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Dupreeposter.jpg

Oh yeah, its 21% "rotten" rating gives me so many hopes :whatever:

I only referenced the Marvel films that have a set date and a director, now lets go to Fox's 2 films that have both.

X-Men: First Class sequel is set to be directed by Matthew Vaugh who directed Kick-Ass, X-Men: First Class, Stardust, and other films. The guys has already proved he can handle Characters and action, and the last X-Men film has put things in motion for an epic 2nd film. Yup, seem more interesting than Cpatain America directed by the guy that did this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Dupreeposter.jpg

Yeah, i like using this as a joke, and The Wolverine is going to be directed by the same guy that made 3:10 to Yuma based on a script that was a modification of a script writen by Darren Aronofsky.

I'm not a Fox executive or a Bryan Singer blind follower as you previously called me, i just look at the facts, and i want above all to see good movies, that's why the marvel studios films i'm more looking forward are Edgar Wright's Ant-Man and Iron Man 3.

Kevin Feige or one of the MCU's producers said that he was allways hoping other studios Superhero films would be good and successful, and he works for Marvel studios, he's not a Fox executive but he wiches them good luck, as he said they need to prove that the genre is of quality, a Superhero movie failing isn't going to help the genre at all.

def28

07-21-2012, 06:15 PM

I'm sure you'll feel much differently once that Wolverine hits theaters and disappoints yet again...

Of course, if Wolverine and FC2 suck then everyone will want X Men at Marvel. Thing is, they have good creative teams right now on both those flicks, so until those films get released Im not not gonna talk **** on how much their gonna suck. Their last X Men flick was good, no reason to move studios right now.

Project862006

07-21-2012, 07:30 PM

YP did you really suggest to get rid of the racism aspect LOL

why do you think so many people connect with x men films many people have dealt with discrimination such as skin color,religion,sexual preference,etc.

thats like telling batman to get rid of his internal struggles lol

YoungPrime

07-21-2012, 10:48 PM

Majik1387

07-21-2012, 10:52 PM

Wow....some of you just take things out of context and just run with it.
What was taken out of context? You said you found the racist, mutant hating, powerless human stories really boring and said yes to skipping it; despite it being what the X-Men were made on and its majority of audience relates to.

Is there something we're missing or misunderstanding?

Angamb

07-21-2012, 11:13 PM

BMM

07-22-2012, 03:33 AM

Huh....didn't know anyone with half a sense of humor would take that Skrull line even partially serious.

So here's an idea, how about simply updating your ignore list if you're unable to keep up the pace... Especially if grandstanding and posting conjecture is your attribute.

And with that said, I think I'm done talking at you...

You call people blind followers, unimaginative, and dismiss them as Fox executives when their opinions differ from yours, to the extent that other posters have asked you to stop the insults, and you think this is about a quip about Skrulls? Talk about not being able to keep up pace.

Rather than put you on my ignore list, I’ll just report your posts from now on. At the rate you’re going, you won’t have to talk at anyone anymore and you can be some other board’s problem.

:huh: That's the center of the X-Men franchise, it aalso has some cool Science Fiction elements but racism is one of the center themes of the X-Men, if you take that you may as well use a different marvel franchise instead of taking the core of one that already exists.

Agreed. Removing the prejudicial aspect of the X-Men would be one of the biggest mistakes Marvel could make. Granted, I'm not worried about the studio making that mistake, as it seems to have a pretty good grasp of its characters and what makes them work.

I am, however, worried about Disney trying to appeal to the masses and watering down certain elements by making them family friendly. For instance, under Disney, I don't think we will ever see something like Magneto killing Nazis, and Wolverine fans can probably forget about seeing a more berserker prone version of the character, not to mention audience favorite moments like Wolverine telling Charles and Erik to f--- themselves.

YoungPrime

07-22-2012, 05:09 PM

Wolverine is not the Xmen.

The Wolverine can be the worst Fox movie ever.... but the First Class sequel will be a whole different thing, and with the same team as the first, with more freedom and time and a bigger budget.... many of us will be shocked, remark my words wolverine may not be an X-men movie but it is notorious for it's b*stardidation of known X-men characters.

But for your sake I hope you're right about FC.

As for me, just let me know when it releases on Redbox.

Angamb

07-22-2012, 05:21 PM

I dont know what's redbox

but when the first trailer arrives, Id like to read your thoughts, definetly :D

Thedudehimself

07-22-2012, 08:54 PM

Well, Marvel Studios did shy away to show Nazis in Captain America. FOX didnt shy away from it. They even had to balls to put a Hakenkreuz on the back of the X-Logo.

Nuff said. FOX has teh ballz.

danoyse

07-22-2012, 10:59 PM

Wow....some of you just take things out of context and just run with it.

Starting off your time here as a troll? Not a good way to start.

X-Maniac

07-23-2012, 10:10 AM

That way it could share the same universe as Marvel's new movie universe.

I'm not sure that would work in practice though.

For a start, almost all of Marvel's heroes are based in New York - Spider-Man, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Avengers, X-Men. Seems rather implausible.

And there are very different attitudes to each of them. Spider-Man is depicted as a menace (by J Jonah Jameson's media campaign), the X-Men are feared and hated, and yet the Fantastic Four are publicly accepted, as are Avengers. And that's even though the Avengers roster has included Spider-Man, Beast, Wolverine, Storm and two other mutants in the form of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

None of that meshes very well. The world hates mutants and yet loves the Avengers whose membership has included mutants.

Another issue is that cramming any of these scattered heroes into one film would result in a gigantic mess because it's impossible to handle so many characters successfully.

And of course Marvel Studios would never be able to undertake films for Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and X-Men in addition to what it already has on its plate (Avengers 2, Thor 2, Captain America 2, Ant-Man, Guardians).

So it works better to have them handled separately. What we need to hope for is that those films made by other studios are done well. It doesn't always work (as in the case of the disastrous Ghost Rider). Here's hoping Fox and Sony have learned a lesson.

marvelrobbins

07-24-2012, 01:21 PM

Blade was first marvel propertry on Big screen that could be called a success but It hardly lead to stampede of production of comic book films like X-Men did.Hell Blade was
never even advertized as a Comic Book film.People today want to underestimate the impact of X-Men.At the time It was big deal It getting made.

X-Men First Class was best reviewed Comic Book film of 2011.It has 87 percent freshh rating at RT.From X-Men films only X2 has better.By the way of the marvel studio films
only Iron Man and The Avengers have better rating than the X-Men,X2,and first Class.
X-Men The Last Stand Is most sucessful film In series as far as Box office goes yet It Is least favored film In series.

Marvel's recent track record In films,TV,and Comics doesn't inspire me with confidence the present regime could handle X-Men.Droping wolverine and the X-Men after It gathers
fan support and the only X-Men show since Is X-Men Anime? Using X-men to bolster
the Avengers In Comics.It's obsession with ultimate line for films and TV.Not to mention not showing they could do a dark and serious tone X-men deserve on screen.

Snikt

07-24-2012, 01:48 PM

SMH @ you guys praising the presence of Nazi's as if that's the bread and butter of a Captain America story... I actually wanted to see more of Hydra or even AIM in the film but for the sake of argument they did show Cap punching a fake Hitler so it wasn't like they totally denied the existence of Nazi's. Plus regardless of all that, the Redskull is Cap arch enemy and that's who they focused on...

So if Fox was to make an Xmen film that focused around the Friends Of Humanity that wasn't the equivalent to a double shot of Nyquil. How about finally making some actual Sentinel's that aren't total crap???

...Or are you guys content with just Nazi's?

Well lets see....

Xmen First Class Domestic Total Gross: $146,408,305/ Production Budget: $160 million and Xmen Presents Wolverine, Domestic Total Gross: $179,883,157/ Production Budget: $150 million

So in the last 4 years Fox has made a total of $26,291,462 domestically off of the Xmen franchise.

The Amazing Spider-Man cost 230mill to make and right now they're at 229mill domestically. So in 3 and a half weeks they've barely made their money back for this film.

Foreign is pretty good but they'd be luck if they get half of those revenues. Then subtract about 40% of that for taxes. Then split the rest that remaining amount up due to other financial fee's (3rd party investors, etc) and what are they left with....?

I think you forget that First Class was one of the best reviewed movies of last summer...and the X-Men franchise has grossed nearly $2 Billion. Which I think is pretty damn good considering they started off when comic book movies were known for not being particularly good films.

Also, the budget for First Class after tax breaks was roughly $140 million.

I've loved all the X-Men movies and all of Marvel Studios films. And in my eyes, FOX is righting the ship with allowing their directors to make the films they want to make.

And it seems not a WHOLE lot of movies make 2x's their budget back domestically.

Hell, the producers of the new Dredd movie have said they need to make $50 million domestic in order for a sequel to be considered...it's budget is $45 million.

marvelrobbins

07-24-2012, 02:19 PM

Blade grossed 70 million domesictly on a 45 million budget.X-Men grossed 157 Million on a 75 Million budget.Blade didn't jump start anything especilly since many didn't even now Blade was a comic Book character.X-Men revived the genre after Batman and Robin practicully killed It.Studios were eager to get back to comic book films and TV shows
after X-men.Using Blade to try to disminish the effoct X-Men had Is pathetic.

Snikt

07-24-2012, 04:38 PM

One okay film, and one bad film, Wolverine was simply bad :woot:

Ok I'll give you that one lol

Lord

07-24-2012, 04:52 PM

X-men is a franchise that should be doing Harry Potter numbers with each film released

It's not doing Harry Potter numbers because it had 2 films that made the audience disinterested, First Class has that young spirit again, they even said they were being influenced by harry potter for this new trilogy.

Right now Fox seems to have everything in place to make their next films very good, Marvel got the Punisher and Blade rights back and still didn't anounce anything new about what they were going to do with them

Snikt

07-24-2012, 05:00 PM

It's not doing Harry Potter numbers because it had 2 films that made the audience disinterested, First Class has that young spirit again, they even said they were being influenced by harry potter for this new trilogy.

Right now Fox seems to have everything in place to make their next films very good, Marvel got the Punisher and Blade rights back and still didn't anounce anything new about what they were going to do with them

And the other thing is Harry potter had a MASSIVE following. Until the first X-Men movie came out they were relatively unknown among the general audience.

I know they have a large following now, but I don't think it'll ever be as large as Harry potter.

Until Iron Man came around, it was still Spider-Man number 1, X-Men number 2

Lord

07-24-2012, 05:04 PM

Not exactly, during the 90s the X-Men were one of the most popular comic books, the tv show made it even more popular and was one of the main reasons it got a movie, however i don't think anything can have the type of following that Harry Potter has, one thing is to be a big hit in the boxoffice like Avengers and Transformers 3, another is to become the type of hit in pop culture that Harry Potter and Star Wars are.

Snikt

07-24-2012, 05:12 PM

Lord

07-24-2012, 05:22 PM

By number I and number 2 I meant film wise :)
I was more answering the rest of your post than that last like where you said Spider-Man was number 1 and X-Men was number 2 in films, yeah i understood you were refering to their film franchises :woot:

Snikt

07-24-2012, 05:43 PM

I was more answering the rest of your post than that last like where you said Spider-Man was number 1 and X-Men was number 2 in films, yeah i understood you were refering to their film franchises :woot:

Lol. Hell yeah X-Men was awesome in 90s. I still love the 90s cartoon :)

Mulholland '49

07-24-2012, 06:49 PM

Don't get me started on the Disney Marvel films. I wonder when people going to learn that Marvel Studios *****s all over their own material? All they are in for is to make the safest piece of light-hearted, cookie-cutter trite trash as possible. Why do you think all their directors are quitting?

What does everyone find so ****ing great about them?

psylockolussus

07-25-2012, 01:53 AM

One okay film, and one bad film, Wolverine was simply bad :woot:

I agree! Thats 4 decent X-Men films and 1 terrible X-Men film.

Majik1387

07-25-2012, 02:03 AM

Don't get me started on the Disney Marvel films.
There are no Disney Marvel films. :cwink:

Lord

07-25-2012, 05:01 AM

In my opinion X-Men, X-2 and First Class were great. X-3 had problems but it was ok, however what makes me dislike this film so much and hope they retcon it is how they killed such characters like that, many weren't even developed enough.

And above all, why i wouldn't mind if Bryan Singer's X-Men 4 (which suposedly leads to x-men 5) rebooted X-3, is that X-3 was supposed to be something better and bigger, that would lead into X-Men 4, therefore instead of making it an usual trilogy it would be a set of four films. And instead of only using Magneto and the brotherhood as villains the film would be a tree way war between the X-Men, the Brotherhood and the Hellfire Club.

Cracked even has an article on this:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19350_6-famously-terrible-movies-that-were-almost-awesome.html

Lord

07-26-2012, 09:51 AM

X-3 "had problems?"

The Juggernaut was terrible and pointless...this is a Hulk/Thor level character demoted to nothing...

Jean/Phoenix was pointless.....so you mean tell me that the only thing that could kill a cosmic entity that's on the same scale level as Galactus was Wolverines claws...?
And who were 90% of those other cheap disposable mutants that five X-men ran through like wet tissue paper?

What's crazy is that if any of the actually X-men books were this bad. We wouldn't even entertaining this discussion...

The problem is that most people love these characters enough to the point where they'll allow Fox to drop any type of Director, script and cast for it, just as long as they're getting an X-men film.

So fast forward to next year when Wolverine 2 fails to deliver yet again...and people will turn a blind eye to it just for the sake of denying me the right to say "I told ya so!" Thus making Fox the Ike Turner of comic book films...

You'll understand what that means when you're telling yourself "Fox isn't always bad though, it treats some Xmen films good some times..." SMH....
Black Widow and Hawkeye didn't have any point in being in Iron Man 2 and Thor besides promoting the Avengers, and what's up with all your hanguer? What? YOu want us to say i told you so? Before Avengers was released i said it was going to make big numbers and break records, that it would be almost as successful as Titanic and would beat The Dark Knight Rises in the box-office, most laughed and said that it would only make Iron Man numbers and that there wouldn't be a bigger audience number than the other Marvel films. While it's still early to talk about the dark knight rises argument it seems like i was completelly right about Avengers being a smash his, you don0t see me walking around the forums screaming "I TOLD YOU SO!"

I didn't do it when Avengers was the hit i was saying it would be, or when i believed X-Men: First Class was going to be great because of the director even with most fans everywhere on the net complaining it was going to be terrible. After seeing the trailer of Green Lantern i expected something terrible, IGN however convinced me that it may be a Star Wars epic, turns out i was right :cmad:

So, when i have to choose between a studio that replaced Nazis for Hydra agents or a franchise that is going to have its film being directed by Mathew Vaugh, Bryan Singer and the director of 3:10 to Yuma based on a script by Darren Aronofsky i guess i will choose the option that seems more promising.

X-Men: First Class, Rise of the Planet of the Apes and Prometheus are proof that Fox is now taking risks and trusting Directors with very good results.

And as i said before Marvel doesn't need the X-Men, they may need the Fantastic Four, but not the X-Men, it allways made more sence the X-Men universe being a different one from the Marvel Universe, a world where people that got powers from magic or genetic experiments are loved by the public but people that are the next step in evolution are hated doesn't make much sence.

And as was said by many they are looking forward to X-Men: First Class 2, not the Wolverine, so you aren't predicting very much, i'm probably one of the few that has hopes for that film, however even i am not that sure about it, in fact my expectations for The Wolverine are similar to my expectations for Captain America 2, i see both with big possibilities of failing, but still have hopes for both.

Angamb

07-26-2012, 11:59 AM

the big question is:

WHEN will this discussion end?

:D

and totally agree with your points, lord.

Lord

07-26-2012, 12:08 PM

Thanks, and i agree, i think this discussion should have ended, but in least this is being discussed in it's proper thread instead of in the countdown thread.

Angamb

07-26-2012, 12:14 PM

yeah, and thanks for that, lol

but we need more people on the other topics! lol

not in this

marvelrobbins

07-26-2012, 01:46 PM

The Wolverine has script by the oscar winning writer of the Usual Suspects.And despite a rewrite reports say 75 percent of that script remains.James Mongold directed Reese Weatherspoon's oscar winning performance In Walk The Line.Already directed Hugh jackman once befpre.Directed a well recieved western remake 3:10 to Yuma.He has directed action In that as well as Knight and Day.X-Men Days of future Past Is being directed by Matthew Vaughn and produced By Bryan Singer.Meanwhile Fox hired Chronicle Director Josh Tank to do FF remake and reportly are binging In thor and First Class writers to work on script.

Meanwhile marvel bought In a director of Game of thrones to do Thor sequel with first draft written by writer of Fantastic four:Rise of the Silver surfer(if you want to bash Simon Kinberg as a writer here It's fair to say Marvel has a FF film writer on Thor)
and hired community directors to do cap sequel.None of these are Joss Whedon.Meanwhile Whedon himself has said he Isn't sure he will do the Avengers sequel.
At least with Iron Man 3 Shane Black has directed a well regarded film that beguin
Robert Downey JR's comeback and was In late 80's early 90's one of top action film writers In Hollywood.

marvelrobbins

07-26-2012, 01:48 PM

yeah, and thanks for that, lol

but we need more people on the other topics! lol

not in this

I probally shouldn't give the troll so much attention but someone has to
Stand up for X-men,X2,and first Class against the marvel studios Is great and everyone else Is terrable cwoad.

magneto23

07-26-2012, 01:53 PM

This is a topic of discussion that should generate attention TWO YEARS from now IF, and ONLY IF, The Wolverine and XMFC2 are both bombs. You can't have this debate now. Not after FOX put out a really good X-Men film last summer. First Class was the best comic book/super hero movie of 2011 for crying out loud. FOX has earned some trust here IMO.

Lord

07-26-2012, 02:01 PM

I think you guys just said it all http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

X-Maniac

07-27-2012, 01:39 PM

X-3 "had problems?"

The Juggernaut was terrible and pointless...this is a Hulk/Thor level character demoted to nothing...

Jean/Phoenix was pointless.....so you mean tell me that the only thing that could kill a cosmic entity that's on the same scale level as Galactus was Wolverines claws...?
And who were 90% of those other cheap disposable mutants that five X-men ran through like wet tissue paper?

What's crazy is that if any of the actually X-men books were this bad. We wouldn't even entertaining this discussion...

The problem is that most people love these characters enough to the point where they'll allow Fox to drop any type of Director, script and cast for it, just as long as they're getting an X-men film.

So fast forward to next year when Wolverine 2 fails to deliver yet again...and people will turn a blind eye to it just for the sake of denying me the right to say "I told ya so!" Thus making Fox the Ike Turner of comic book films...

You'll understand what that means when you're telling yourself "Fox isn't always bad though, it treats some Xmen films good some times..." SMH....

You're quite right that some of the X-Men characters haven't had the best treatment on the big screen.

That being said, the Marvel Studios releases also have shortcomings. They may be more respectful of the comics (as you would expect if Marvel is making movies of its own material) and they may have more accurate character representations (especially Iron Man, Cap, Thor Hulk, not so much the Avengers version of Black Widow in my view). But they don't have any depth or intelligent ideas or thought-provoking themes. They are just bright and shiny entertainment. Sometimes that is exactly what people want, as Avengers showed.

It's notable that Chris Nolan also made changes to characters. Joker wasn't exactly like comic book Joker. There were also criticisms of the portrayals of Catwoman and Bane. And the John Blake version of Robin is not like the comics at all. But, nonetheless, Nolan has created a very good Batman trilogy and he admits having little regard for the source material.

So there are different ways to approach comic book movies.

If Marvel hadn't sold off X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four (and many others that have now been reclaimed), it would no longer be in business. Marvel Studios would not exist without the deals with Fox and Sony.

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel would like to get its hands on the X-Men films again, or it wouldn't be considering an Inhumans movie as those characters are very similar to the X-Men.

In the time since Fox tentatively put out the first X-Men film (and expected it to flop), confidence in the genre has grown and grown. So the X-Men franchise would be very different if they were starting it today.

kewlmatto

07-28-2012, 11:27 PM

Everyone who is clamouring for the rights of X-Men, Spidey, etc. to return to Marvel don't realise that this will mean fewer total films.

With separate studios, we are getting more Marvel films than we otherwise would. Under Disney, there is no way we would get anymore than 4 major films in a year. Divide that between the amount of properties they would have, and it would take a while to get around to each character.

As long as Fox and Sony realise their mistakes (they already did by making the excellent First Class after X3, and TASM was a great reboot after Spidey 3), I'm happy for them to continue with the characters because it means we get more movies.

Marvel now have Blade and Punisher...how long will it be until they finally use them? I'd say a long time.

I'm not completely against a full Marvel movie universe, but these characters have their own stories to tell before we get endless crossovers.

kewlmatto

07-29-2012, 02:31 PM

It's going to take time for them to repair the damage done... especially with Punisher. They'll likely get the right back for Ghost Rider as well but looks whats been done to it. Hulk was a lot easier to Salvage. Thus him being the stand out in Avengers.

I think you're helping prove my point. When it's reverted back to Marvel, they can just sit on these properties for however long they like. There is no incentive to make a new film. Yes, previous studios screwed up the last films, but by losing the rights they have an incentive to make it work again, and soon. They let these ones go because they aren't 'first tier' characters, but thanks to X-Men 3 and Spider-Man 3, both hokey third installments, we got the very respectable First Class and Amazing. Because they have an incentive to make it work again.

In all likelihood, with Marvel going Avengers-crazy, it would take quite some time for these properties to get their franchises off the ground at Marvel. And despite Hulk's success in The Avengers, they still have no plans for a new Hulk movie. They are simply scared it won't gross enough. That's a shame.

The Amazing Spider-Man is a slight box-office disappointment. But so was Batman Begins (comparable figures). Like Begins, it will do well on DVD and will set up for a high-grossing sequel. What 'Ted' grossed is irrelevant.

I think you're letting one little moment blindside 'First Class' for you. It's a very respectable film overall and treats the characters with a good amount of dignity.

I want the option where I get the most possible films of some of my favourite characters. Unfortunately 'Daredevil' just won't get a look-in at Marvel if he returns to them. At the most he would be in a team film, which is not ideal. Yes, I hope Fox don't screw it up though, but Marvel aren't infallible either. Iron Man 2 is a plodding and overwrought sequel and personally I've never cared for Thor either.

Lord

07-29-2012, 02:54 PM

The Amazing Spider-Man wasn't very respectabe, the fact that it was just 10 years since the fenomenon that was Raimi's original desinterested many people, while Spider-Man 3 was a let down many people still liked it, and it made a lot of money.

It's like reboting Star Wars right after Return of the Jedi, most records and memories of cinema during the 2000s include Spider-Man as one of its most iconic movies, Marvel Studios is trying to make an arrangement with SONY to make both their franchises set in the same universe, which is basically what those that want it on MS want, Spider-man in the same universe as the Avengers, and the plus is that because SONY has to keep the rights they will use the franchise, unlike what would happen if Marvel Studios got it.

BMM

07-29-2012, 04:17 PM

What 'Ted' grossed is irrelevant.

Pretty much.

Using Ted’s box office success as justification for why Marvel does it better is useless. While Ted may be outselling The Amazing Spider-Man, it’s also outselling half of Marvel Studios’ efforts and, unlike The Amazing Spider-Man, actually outgrossing those movies too. In other words, if it doesn’t star Robert Downey Jr., Ted beat it.

As for Spider-Man, any follow up to Raimi’s trilogy was always going to have its work cut out for it, whether at Sony or at Marvel. It’s laughable to use box office as a gauge for success and then say Sony didn’t do right by Spider-Man or that Marvel will easily top it. Spider-Man is still the highest grossing Marvel solo effort, and Marvel Studios’ best is still $100 million behind and falling. The rest, don’t even come close. Adjust for inflation, and this isn’t even worth discussing. Those films left too much of an indelible mark to be so easily replaced by anybody.

kewlmatto

07-29-2012, 05:24 PM

Wait....are you comparing Batman Begins reboot to TASM???

Seriously......?

Yep, yep I am. Begins grossed only $205 million in its domestic run. Spider-Man has grossed $242 million. Adjust for inflation and they are pretty much the same. They were both disappointing.

When a reboot initially happens, there is a weariness from the audience to adopt the new series - Batman faced the same issues. Even early reviews of 'Begins' reflect this. Yes, overall it is a better film, completely, but in terms of success they are on par. The films pretty much do the same things for the characters' origins and feature better acting than the previous series. Begins is more thematically rich and has better action and villains, but TASM is a respectable reboot which clearly took inspiration from Warner's Batman strategy.

TASM will build the foundation to a better sequel which will gross much, much more - like The Dark Knight (not as much, granted, but it will be a similar track record). After the better sequel is created, TASM will be looked at more fondly, very much like Begins was after The Dark Knight.

I really don't see how such a comparison would be laughable.

marvelrobbins

07-29-2012, 06:32 PM

The Dark Knight Rises Is proof It's not always a good Idea to give the director total control.Just because Sam rami was forced to Include Venom In Spider-Man 3 doesn't mean he has no blame In the crap that was Spider-Man 3.I was willing to see The Amazing Spider-Man becasue I never had much love for Rami's films and this was way
before Spider-Man 3.The Amazing Spider-Man Is way better and gave me the spider-Man film I wanted to see.I am hoping Sony treats The Amazing Spider-Man as first part of series.Many thought back In 2005 Batman Begins was first part of series.I'd rather them be treated the way the james Bond series used to be till they did the unneccsary reboot.
It's a ongoing series and they recast when they need to Instead of consently rebooting.

I like the director's cut of Daredevil but since It had no followup instead of terrable Elektra spinoff I am willing to give a reboot a chance.If Daredevil went to marvel It would
be years till we see something and even then It would be watered down at Disney.

Noone on this board Is going to defend Wolverine or The Last Stand.We have had debates rather those films should even be viewed anymore In Contunity with First Class,X-Men,and X2.

X2 Is one of my top 3 comic book films so attacking it will cause me to launch defense.I was disappointed by The Dark Knight Rises but that doesn't mean I forget Nolan made 2 great Batman films.I remain fan of Tim Burton's batman films.That IS part a reason I have no Intrest In another batman reboot.I absoltetly hated the man of steel teaser.
I will stick to Donner/Singer trilogy,Smallville,and Smallville season 11 comic for Superman.

07-29-2012, 06:38 PM

TDKR is proof that it is indeed a great idea to give a director full control. :o

marvelrobbins

07-29-2012, 06:55 PM

OK i admit others like the dark knight rises better than I did.Just like I accept people like Spider-man 1,and 2 more than I do.

I can tell by your signature you thought It was best comic book film of 2012.

danoyse

07-29-2012, 09:52 PM

Good lord, that was a mighty attitude problem that swept through here...

Let's remember to respect everyone's opinions, folks.

For the record: the only thing that bums me out about Disney not having the rights to X-Men is that Wolverine can't be in the Avengers movies. Damn, I'd love to see that.

I can't stand what Fox did to this series in the later films (FC being exception), but if they can get their act together (FC being a good start) and make some decent films again, then I'm all for it.

Chewy

07-30-2012, 08:41 AM

X-Men and Spider-Man rights will never revert to Marvel. They're licenses to print money. And I often wonder if fans realize that those rights reverting to Marvel means fewer films featuring those characters?

Only rights I want Marvel getting back are Fan Four

marvelrobbins

07-30-2012, 10:08 AM

No studio Is going to just turn over rights to sucessfull franchise just because some
fans want It.sony announced release date for The Amazing Spider-Man 2 before the
first film even came out,and hired Alex Kurtman and Bob Orci to rewrite and executive produce before It opened.Fox Is reportly spending 175 Million on Days of Future Past.

Marvel Studios primary Intrest In films Is Avengers related propertys.and so far Disney has shown little Intrest In more than 2 marvel films a year.Assuming Ant-Man Is close to
actully going Into production we may get It and The Avengers 2 for 2015.

Maria Hill was only character In The Avengers that didn't show up In a previous film.And
did people forget all the critism of Iron Man 2 of Shield and setting up The Avengers.

marcvader

07-30-2012, 10:09 AM

Lord

07-30-2012, 10:37 AM

I wish Daredevil was ouned by SONY, Spider-Man and Deredevil should be on the same company

Avenger

07-31-2012, 01:29 AM

I wish Daredevil was ouned by SONY, Spider-Man and Deredevil should be on the same companyI completely agree. I think I said something similar in an earlier post. Ideally I'd like to see the X-Men stay with Fox, Daredevil with Sony, and the Fantastic Four back with Marvel.

Lord

07-31-2012, 05:48 AM

I completely agree. I think I said something similar in an earlier post. Ideally I'd like to see the X-Men stay with Fox, Daredevil with Sony, and the Fantastic Four back with Marvel.
Yeah, if New Line Cinema still had Blade and did something with the property i would want Ghost Rider and other darker properties with them as Marvel doesn't seem to be doing anything

Mulholland '49

08-01-2012, 07:45 PM

Days of Future Past is going to ***** slap the Disney flicks.

Majik1387

08-01-2012, 07:46 PM

First, they're not Disney flicks.
Second, no, it won't.

Mulholland '49

08-01-2012, 07:55 PM

Of course it will. They're awful

Chewy

08-01-2012, 07:55 PM

You seem bitter.

Mulholland '49

08-01-2012, 07:57 PM

A little.

SuperT

08-01-2012, 08:02 PM

Why would you want them back to Marvel honestly? What would be the point? Just to have Wolverine, Scarlet Witch, or Quicksilver show up in an Avengers movie for a hot second?

The X-Men are more than fine staying at Fox if they plan on treating them correctly as they did with First Class. The Marvel universe at Disney is already getting crowded as it is, the X-Men work perfectly fine in their own universe.

chaseter

08-01-2012, 08:16 PM

Singer made two great movies and produced another great movie. If he's still on board...I trust him and Vaughn.

Mulholland '49

08-01-2012, 08:47 PM

danoyse

08-01-2012, 08:58 PM

People have to be pandered to like idiots.

You might want to keep the bitterness to yourself at this point...

CB Fan

08-01-2012, 09:13 PM

I don't think that it's a must that they go back to marvel it would be nice but after 12yrs it finally looks like Fox might've found a good team in Singer and Vaughn a team that could really do some interesting things with the x-men franchise.

Mulholland '49

08-01-2012, 09:29 PM

You might want to keep the bitterness to yourself at this point...

I'm not bitter. Just unsweetened. *rimshot*

I don't think that it's a must that they go back to marvel it would be nice but after 12yrs it finally looks like Fox might've found a good team in Singer and Vaughn a team that could really do some interesting things with the x-men franchise.

They are very creative and ambitious directors. Kinda want Singer to direct though.

marvelrobbins

08-01-2012, 09:39 PM

You have In X-Men;days of future Past Bryan Singer, who revived the genre.Look I like Blade and admit It put Marvel's foot In door after years of mostly cheap TV productions
but X-Men brought It.And renewed Hollywood's Intrest In Genre.X2 Is conisdered one of top 10 comic book films ever.On some lists it Is only X-Men film to make the cut,producing and likely devolped the story. You have Matthew Vaughn directing.and Is working on the script.The top best recieved X-Men films are X2,and First Class.With X-Men close behind. First Class was best reviewed comic book film of 2011.Together this Is quite a team.Bryan helps devolps the story.Matthew has hand Inw riting the script.Bryan
helps make sure Matthew can make the film the best way he can.It worked great with First Class.It can work even better here.They have more time and more money here.

Mulholland '49

08-01-2012, 10:07 PM

Can you type that with proper grammar and sentence structure please?

Baneis8feettall

08-03-2012, 07:00 PM

I hope they can't get. I saw the movie today, it was really good. Probably better than any MCU movie yet.

YoungPrime

08-05-2012, 12:34 PM

I hope they can't get. I saw the movie today, it was really good. Probably better than any MCU movie yet.

Okay fine....what if MCU got the rights back and brought Singer, Vaughn and company with them?

Wouldn't that open the doors to an even greater "Days of Futures Pass" film?

Lord

08-05-2012, 12:37 PM

Okay fine....what if MCU got the rights back and brought Singer, Vaughn and company with them?

Wouldn't that open the doors to an even greater "Days of Futures Pass" film?
It's already difficult to do a Days of Future Past as it is, you don't need to shoehorn the Avengers there

marvelrobbins

08-05-2012, 12:41 PM

And what does the Avengers have to do with days of future Past? The only benefit would be to say superheros as well as mutants killed by sentinels

YoungPrime

08-05-2012, 01:20 PM

It's already difficult to do a Days of Future Past as it is, you don't need to shoehorn the Avengers there

And what does the Avengers have to do with days of future Past? The only benefit would be to say superheros as well as mutants killed by sentinels

I never mentioned at any time during this discussion that the Avengers should be shoe horned into the Xmen films.

DOFP would be the perfect way of bringing Xmen into the Marvel Studio universe regardless though. Altering the timeline would be a great way of correcting a lot of the continuity flaws as well as the X-men's line up. And while in the mist of giving us a great film "Produced by Singer and Directed by Vaughn" mind you.. a cameo of a Steve Rodgers grave here... and a decimated Stark Building there would make for great Easter eggs for all Marvel fans in general right or wrong?

marvelrobbins

08-05-2012, 01:33 PM

Marvel studios has yet to prove they do something not related to the Avengers.Now If Guardians of the Galexy Isn't just show they can have Thanos as villain In the Avengers 2 they may prove me wrong.

Lord

08-05-2012, 01:35 PM

That would only bring one question, where the hell did Stark and the Avengers go?

X-Maniac

08-05-2012, 02:42 PM

A cameo of a Steve Rodgers grave here... and a decimated Stark Building there would make for great Easter eggs for all Marvel fans in general right or wrong?

That would be a plot hole/screenwriting nightmare. People would ask what happened to the Avengers, SHIELD and why they were - or were not - being targeted by Sentinels.

The X-Men live in a world where there is distrust and dislike of superhuman powers.

YoungPrime

08-05-2012, 04:22 PM

Marvel studios has yet to prove they do something not related to the Avengers.Now If Guardians of the Galexy Isn't just show they can have Thanos as villain In the Avengers 2 they may prove me wrong.Can someone first tell me how Marvel making a mega-hit out of Avengers has become some type of crutch or typecast on their part?

If you wanna be technical it's FOX who hasn't shown that they can do anything beyond the 2 or 3 decent X-men films. The F4 and Dare Devil franchise reboot speculations are proof of that.

That would only bring one question, where the hell did Stark and the Avengers go?I'm sure they'd do a little montage or verbal recap explaining what happen to most of Marvels hero's way before they even show it. Plus who's going to question a probable Apocalyptic future whether the Stark building is shown or not?

That would be a plot hole/screenwriting nightmare. People would ask what happened to the Avengers, SHIELD and why they were - or were not - being targeted by Sentinels.
It's an alternate future. Meaning that it would explain itself. No one questioned the death of Peter Parker in the AOA stories, nor did they really have to. Many mutants would survive in the future because unlike the Avengers or F4 they'd have more of an idea of what they were up against due to experience.

Plus bringing Rachel Summers, Bishop or Cable back to the future to rectify things would be the whole point anyway. Thus making any deaths in the future irrelevant should they succeed.

X-Maniac

08-05-2012, 04:28 PM

It's an alternate future. Meaning than it would explain itself. No one question the death of Peter Parker in the AOA stories, nor did they really have to. Many mutants would survive in the future because unlike the Avengers or F4 they'd have more of and idea of what they were up against due to experience.

Plus bringing Rachel Summers, Bishop or Cable back to the future to rectify things would be the whole point anyway. Thus making any deaths in the future irrelevant should they succeed.

It's too much too soon. We've only just had the first Avengers movie.

And, more importantly, this discussion is pointless, since it's not happening. No matter how much you talk about this, the Days of Future Past is proceeding separately as a Fox production rather than as a Marvel Studios production. So this debate is rather a waste of time and space, to be honest.

YoungPrime

08-05-2012, 04:58 PM

It's too much too soon. We've only just had the first Avengers movie.

And, more importantly, this discussion is pointless, since it's not happening. No matter how much you talk about this, the Days of Future Past is proceeding separately as a Fox production rather than as a Marvel Studios production. So this debate is rather a waste of time and space, to be honest.

90% of what's stated by fans in these film forums wont happen in the actual films but I don't see it as pointless to give opinions despite this... Though the likelihood is dubious, a fan can still "wish". Which is pretty much what this thread is all about. So if you feel this is a waste of your time, then I'd like to point out that no one is forcing you to participate moving forward.

Oh and the X-men sequel wont be releasing until 2014 and we're talking about an potential "Easter egg" in an "alternate future". It was also rumored by Avi Arad that the Daily Bugle building might've been in Avengers. So anything is still possible...

Majik1387

08-05-2012, 05:05 PM

Nah, not gonna happen. Fox is never gonna work with Marvel Studios.

X-Maniac

08-05-2012, 05:39 PM

90% of what's stated by fans in these film forums wont happen in the actual films but I don't see it as pointless to give opinions despite this... Though the likelihood is dubious, a fan can still "wish". Which is pretty much what this thread is all about. So if you feel this is a waste of your time, then I'd like to point out that no one is forcing you to participate moving forward.

The thing is that the next X-Men is scripted and starts filming in six months so it's pretty much a done deal. We're not talking about imaginary ideas that may or may not happen in the distant future.

Oh and the X-men sequel wont be releasing until 2014 and we're talking about an potential "Easter egg" in an "alternate future". It was also rumored by Avi Arad that the Daily Bugle building might've been in Avengers. So anything is still possible...

I don't think it would work. You'd need to explain why the Sentinels turned on all superheroes, if that is what they did. Or, if they didn't, why they didn't.

And I don't think it would happen. These studio contracts are closely protected. Marvel Studios isn't allowed to use the word 'mutants', for example, so although they could add Scarlet Witch to Avengers, they couldn't call her a mutant or mention her connection to Magneto.

It seems to me you are hoping to gradually chip away at these cast-iron contracts, but I doubt studios would allow it to happen. Several crossover ideas have already been rejected by the studios involved.

And this idea of one massive Marvel Universe just wouldn't work on screen. it would be a giant mess to handle, as you would have to explain why the heroes didn't keep helping each other out in each other's films.

Look how long, and how much effort, it took to get The Avengers film made. Years and years of solo movies. And now in every solo film they are going to have to find a way to explain why these teammates aren't turning up to help each other.

There will be the same issue with Justice League. And that's why we never saw a Batman/Superman team-up movie. Because in every Batman film afterwards people would be asking 'Why doesn't he call Superman? Why doesn't Superman fly in to save him.'

YoungPrime

08-05-2012, 05:41 PM

Nah, not gonna happen. Fox is never gonna work with Marvel Studios.Fox is going to do what's in Fox's best interest... Deals are made behind the scenes all the time. Plus Fox hasn't made that much from these films that they're not willing to discuss selling the rights back vs having a potential bomb that brings them no revenue at all.

Majik1387

08-05-2012, 05:47 PM

Fox has enough control issues within its own studio, they're not going to bring in another studio to muddle it up more; especially now that things are finally looking good for their upcoming X-movies.

YoungPrime

08-05-2012, 06:05 PM

The thing is that the next X-Men is scripted and starts filming in six months so it's pretty much a done deal. We're not talking about imaginary ideas that may or may not happen in the distant future.

I don't think it would work. You'd need to explain why the Sentinels turned on all superheroes, if that is what they did. Or, if they didn't, why they didn't.

And I don't think it would happen. These studio contracts are closely protected. Marvel Studios isn't allowed to use the word 'mutants', for example, so although they could add Scarlet Witch to Avengers, they couldn't call her a mutant or mention her connection to Magneto.

It seems to me you are hoping to gradually chip away at these cast-iron contracts, but I doubt studios would allow it to happen. Several crossover ideas have already been rejected by the studios involved.

And this idea of one massive Marvel Universe just wouldn't work on screen. it would be a giant mess to handle, as you would have to explain why the heroes didn't keep helping each other out in each other's films.

Look how long, and how much effort, it took to get The Avengers film made. Years and years of solo movies. And now in every solo film they are going to have to find a way to explain why these teammates aren't turning up to help each other.

There will be the same issue with Justice League. And that's why we never saw a Batman/Superman team-up movie. Because in every Batman film afterwards people would be asking 'Why doesn't he call Superman? Why doesn't Superman fly in to save him.'I think you're grasping at straws at this point.

With all the passes you give Fox for their admitted flaws in comic book movies, how can you turn around and make up baseless imaginary ones by Marvel Studios?

All I can say at this point is that I strongly believe that Marvel Studios would give all these loose franchises the justice they deserve.

Mulholland '49

08-05-2012, 10:23 PM

def28

08-06-2012, 02:02 AM

Umm... Marvel Studios has TONS of flaws too. I find it funny all these Marvel Studios' directors don't want to come back for a sequel, yet no one seems to question why. I nearly teared up laughing when they announced the directors for Captain America 2. Really scrapin that barrel. Reminds me of the Barbershop director helming Fantastic 4. Or the writer of Grumpy Old Men directing Ghost Rider.

All movie studios are the same. Marvel's no different.
I do think X Men should stay at Fox cause they seem to be back making decent flicks now, but Cap 2 isnt proven to be a bad moie yet, and Marvel hasnt really ****ed up like Fox has in the past. X3,XMOW,FF and FF2 brought the hate and lots of it. Fox has had more cons then pros with their comic properties. They seem to be in good shape now, but Marvel has had much more success in about every dept.

Spuzz

08-06-2012, 08:10 AM

X-Men with FOX seems right. They've only made one lackluster X-Men film so far. 3 out of 4 ain't bad.

Oh wait...I forgot about Origins: Wolverine. @*&#!!!

YoungPrime

08-06-2012, 09:28 AM

Well X-men I know isn't going anywhere, which saddens me but my hopes at this point are that Marvel/Disney will wise up and realize that getting F4's back would really expand their Live action Marvel world immensely.

Mind you that Fox could come back swinging and knock one out of the park with all of these franchise reboots and sequels. But no matter how good their efforts are, there will still be that lingering feeling that Marvel Studios with their resources could've made it far better...and I still feel that way about First Class.

So from a comic book fan's perspective I'm not willing to compromise seeing an "Okay" Dare Devil film for what could be ridiculously Epic under it's "rightful" management.

YoungPrime

08-06-2012, 09:45 AM

Umm... Marvel Studios has TONS of flaws too. I find it funny all these Marvel Studios' directors don't want to come back for a sequel, yet no one seems to question why. I nearly teared up laughing when they announced the directors for Captain America 2. Really scrapin that barrel. Reminds me of the Barbershop director helming Fantastic 4. Or the writer of Grumpy Old Men directing Ghost Rider.

All movie studios are the same. Marvel's no different.

Marvel Studies has yet to make a terrible movie. And after hitting that billion dollar mark with just one film. (Something Fox nor Sony has yet to do within the 10 years of each having arguably some of the better Marvel characters) I seriously doubt they'll play around with any of these films moving forward.

Now I'm not saying that all the solo hero films with Marvel will top a billion but I'm quite sure that Thor and Cap's box office will at least double and Ironman 3 could do better than what Amazing Spider-man is doing now if they give us a good story and an Epic Mandarin character.

Angamb

08-06-2012, 10:13 AM

Do you think Thor was epic?

marvelrobbins

08-06-2012, 11:46 AM

Iron Man 2 didn't top Iron Man 1.Even Spider-Man 2 didn't top Spider-Man 1.The Last Stand made more money than X2 does that make It better than X2?

Thor was weakest of marvel studios films for me.yes that means I thought Iron Man 2 was better.

At least Bryan Singer and Matthew vaughn didn't bring In a useless character like darcy for comic relief.Part of me wanted to slap her every time she Is on screen.If she Is In Thor:The dark World I am not spending one dime on that film.

Mulholland '49

08-06-2012, 12:54 PM

Marvel Studies has yet to make a terrible movie. .

I don't want to seem bitter again, but I'll just say I very much strongly dislike Thor, Iron Man 2, and The Avengers. Captain America and Incredible Hulk were passable, and Iron Man 1 is the only film I'd consider "good".

Majik1387

08-06-2012, 01:13 PM

You so cray cray. Avengers was amazing, Iron Man and Iron Man 2 were great, Cap America was good, and Thor and Incredible Hulk were decent.

marvelrobbins

08-06-2012, 01:16 PM

The only marvel studios film I put In my top 10 comic book films Is The Avengers.And I prefer X2 over the Avengers.I put First Class,X-Men,and The Amazing Spider-Man above the rest of marvel studios films.The Increidble Hulk Is best solo film with Iron Man runnerup. Captain America Is most passable of the remaining 3.

I am longtime fan of marvel from comics.Back when Marvel In 1990's was In bankruptcy protection I was one who helped keep them afloat with all the X-Men comics I was buying.Marvel has gone downhill since Joe quesda became editor In Chief.And now he has been promated from EIC to higher up In larger marvel company.There Is old saying If It aine't broke don't try to fix It.Well he thought he had to Fix X-Men and what was result In long run? X-Men Is no longer the top selling comic book It was for years.And now they are consently putting X-Men characters In Avengers related books.

YoungPrime

08-06-2012, 01:45 PM

Do you think Thor was epic?

I'm not that big a Thor fan outside of him being with the Avengers. But if they make the sequel as good as the story was in his "Tales of Asgard" Direct 2 Video animated movie well...we'll revisit that question.

Thoughts on Villians: Marvel Studios desperately needs greater villains in their films, I will say that though...So if they get over that hump then I doubt even I would have many doubters at that point.

Kevin Bacon does play a good villain in most of his films but I don't think he was all that great as Sebastian Shaw which was the reason why Magneto stole the show... Marvel Studios I think would've given him his trademark white hair though...LOL!

X-Maniac

08-06-2012, 01:49 PM

I know I wish X-Men could have the massive success of Avengers.

While Avengers lacked depth or thoughtfulness (I know two people at work who really disliked it for that reason), it met most people's expectations of a big superhero team-up adventure. And it never shied away from epic-scale action and spectacle with the power displays. It also didn't cram in 'Easter eggs' and well-known cameos, so it kept its sense of focus and purpose.

There was a dip in the quality of superhero films a few years ago, when X3, Spider-Man 3, FF1, FF2 and Ghost Rider came out. Studios got carried away and stopped caring as much about making a good film that stood the test of time. Audiences mostly enjoyed these films at the time (I remember totally packed cinemas loving X3 when I saw it with friends), but then people forgot about them. The relentless 'hate' only exists on the internet where people obsess over things for years and years.

Ghost Rider 2 and even XMO: Wolverine showed that this poor way of thinking by studios wasn't completely stamped out.

But Marvel's attempt at a Hulk movie didn't do that well, no better than Ang Lee's earlier version. Iron Man 2 started to get a bit unfocused and silly. Thor wasn't gritty enough and Captain America was a bit comicbooky.

So there are mistakes made on all sides.

YoungPrime

08-06-2012, 02:07 PM

The only marvel studios film I put In my top 10 comic book films Is The Avengers.And I prefer X2 over the Avengers.I put First Class,X-Men,and The Amazing Spider-Man above the rest of marvel studios films.The Increidble Hulk Is best solo film with Iron Man runnerup. Captain America Is most passable of the remaining 3.

Well for me that's like comparing Transformers to Gobots...

Now lets say that Gobots was getting the live action treatment by Nolan. Me being a much bigger Transformers fan than Gobots as a child would be expressing my consent for Transformers to get a better direct than it previous has.

Which is all that I'm doing with X-men and Spider-man. I don't feel that they are par with Thor, Cap, Ironman or even the Avengers. But Marvel still works well with what they have and would do a much better job with those two franchises.

As for F4 and DD, I'm more of a Dr. Doom and Kingpin fan than I am of the actual hero's they go against. And they both got hosed in their previous films.

Long story short, saying that you didn't like Thor isn't that big a deal when you weren't that much of a Thor fan to begin with.

I however am a big fan of Xmen and Spider and with that Disney had the rights to make better interpretations on them.

Lord

08-06-2012, 02:36 PM

YoungPrime

08-06-2012, 02:53 PM

The Avengers as a franchise is bigger than Spider-Man and X-Men simply because if bring various heroes with different styles, and as i think that you don't see how good Captain Amercia could have been by saying that it isn't as good of a character as Spider-Man or X-Men, that is absolutelly not true.

Who's Rogue Gallery is better between Cap, Thor, Iron man, Hulk and Spider-man?

Who's Rogue Gallery is better between Avengers and X-men's?

Honest answers only....

def28

08-06-2012, 04:23 PM

Comicwise I always thought X Men had better rogue gallery and characters then Avengers.

marvelrobbins

08-06-2012, 04:35 PM

X-Men Is my favorate comic Book so I am biased towards them.

My favorate comics go this way

1:X-men
2:Spider-Man and Batman
4:The Avengers(Including Hulk)
5:Fantastic four
6:Superman

Recent news Is fox may sign over some of the FF cosmic Characters In exchange for extension of the Daredevil rights.If this happens and characters Like The Silver surfer show up In Guardians of the Galexy will some quit their antifox rants since the deal could help the GOTG movie.

I think If Fantatic four reborn remains on track for summer 2015 maybe In X-Men;Days of future Past there could be easter egg of FF's funeral In future to help setup excitement for It.

def28

08-06-2012, 04:43 PM

marvelrobbins

08-06-2012, 04:58 PM

If IDsney Is willing to allow Fox something where they keep X-Men but Marvel In Avengers films does something that allowes for an appearance by a particular character they have rights to that connects the universe together.Same as with Spider-Man with Sony.

It's probally The Silver Surfer,galactus,and the Skrulls Marvel wants to get It's hands on.

X-Maniac

08-06-2012, 05:04 PM

I think were gonna keep seeing deals like this whenever Marvel wants to use characters. Its good for both studios. If they actually had a legit role for an X men character, Im sure the same deal could be made. Avengers apperances will only help out Fox. Marvel has been making an effort comics wise to bridge the X men and Avengers together in books So I could see them wanting to try soemthing in the future.

Yes, it's a good thing and I'm not bothered in the slightest if Marvel takes back Skrulls, Galactus and Silver Surfer.

The other thing is: Is anybody really bothered about a Daredevil film?

08-06-2012, 06:23 PM

Spuzz

08-06-2012, 06:36 PM

The only Marvel Studios films that I thought were "great" are Avengers and IM1. Cap is pretty good, the rest are mediocre at best.

People are so enamored by how faithful the films are that they dismiss how paint-by-numbers and blasé their films are.

Sadly I gotta agree. Thor and Cap especially stood out as really predictable. Not just because the good guys win or anything like that. That's a given in most CBMs. I guess it's just how formulaic they felt. The humor in Thor was quite forced too. Would have preferred less humor during the Earth segments. The humor in Cap I actually found charming. Probably due to it being old timey humor for the most part. It's definitely one of Joe Johnson (or is it Johnston?)'s best movies, The Rocketeer being my favorite. They had a similar tone. :)

YoungPrime

08-06-2012, 08:04 PM

The only Marvel Studios films that I thought were "great" are Avengers and IM1. Cap is pretty good, the rest are mediocre at best.

People are so enamored by how faithful the films are that they dismiss how paint-by-numbers and blasé their films are.

Mediocre is still better than "terrible".

Are we forgetting about Elektra?

People think that just because Fox makes a half decent X-men film that no other Studio could actually do a better job and to me that's really a shame.

Fox's X-men continuity is not the only alternative. Half of the people who are defending Fox could probably imaging a better film themselves.

08-06-2012, 08:08 PM

Mediocre is still mediocre.

YoungPrime

08-06-2012, 08:54 PM

Mediocre is still mediocre.

Yeah and Fox's overall comicbook film track record is below mediocre. So I wonder how that works.

marvelrobbins

08-06-2012, 09:27 PM

And fox has has 3 of the best Comic book films with X-Men,X2,and first Class.

08-06-2012, 09:36 PM

Yeah and Fox's overall comicbook film track record is below mediocre. So I wonder how that works.
That all really means nothing considering how solid their genre films have been over the past 2+ years.

Mulholland '49

08-06-2012, 09:45 PM

People think that just because Fox makes a half decent X-men film that no other Studio could actually do a better job and to me that's really a shame.

Yeah... No one ever said that. And studios don't make good movies, creative teams do. And Marvel's just as guilty as any other studio when it comes to interference and restricted creative control.

Mulholland '49

08-06-2012, 09:48 PM

people are so enamored by how faithful the films are that they dismiss how paint-by-numbers and blasé their films are.

qft

Majik1387

08-06-2012, 09:54 PM

marvelrobbins

08-06-2012, 09:56 PM

Majik1387

08-06-2012, 10:01 PM

Umm I definitely complained about Fishbourne being cast as Perry White, but I just gotta deal with it. He'll do a good job I'm sure as he's a great actor, but he is not Perry White visually.

As for Marvel blending their universes, I don't blame them, I would too. For how many universes, retcons, and comic titles they have to work with, they're trying to appease all comic readers to their movies, so they take what they feel works best from each universe, storylines, etc. and creates a movie from it.

08-06-2012, 10:07 PM

I don't see how enjoying faithfulness is paint by numbers. It's what comic fans have wanted since Comic movies became a thing, to see the characters from the comics they love portrayed properly onscreen, that we don't care if it's very basic, it's what we wanted. Sometimes some alterations to the story is fine(as proved with the X-Movies), but sometimes following the comics as is, or as close as can be, is what's been so hard for movies to do for some reason.
It's not the faithfulness that is paint-by-numbers, and I never said that. It's the uninspired formulaic approach they take to their films.

Even though we've had multiple directors attached to the MCU, you really wouldn't know because they all follow this formula. It's like any personal touch the directors may have had is erased. I really love Avengers and IM1, but there is just nothing about the MCU movies as a whole that are as grand, distinct, or creative as Singer's X-Men, or Nolan's Batman.

Mulholland '49

08-06-2012, 10:07 PM

I don't see how enjoying faithfulness is paint by numbers. It's what comic fans have wanted since Comic movies became a thing, to see the characters from the comics they love portrayed properly onscreen, that we don't care if it's very basic, it's what we wanted. Sometimes some alterations to the story is fine(as proved with the X-Movies), but sometimes following the comics as is, or as close as can be, is what's been so hard for movies to do for some reason.

What determines what's faithful or not though? Spider-Man (2002) and X-Men (2000) may not have all the technical details of the comic correct, but they got the spirit of the comics done 100% and that to me is being faithful. The Avengers might be technically close to the comics, but the tone from the comics was completely opposite and the characters almost seem like they're poking fun at the characters from the comics.

That's just me though.

Mulholland '49

08-06-2012, 10:09 PM

Even though we've had multiple directors attached to the MCU, you really wouldn't know because they all follow this formula. It's like any personal touch the directors may have had is erased. I really love Avengers and IM1, but there is just nothing about the MCU movies as a whole that are as grand, distinct, or creative as Singer's X-Men, or Nolan's Batman.

Again... QFT

Lord

08-07-2012, 05:50 AM

Well as I will keep saying Marvel studios make changes.They consently want to blend 616 Universe and Ultimate universe and with Hulk want to add 1970's TV Show Hulk elements.

I get sick and tired of complaning about changes being made to X-Men films but let other films off the hook.Noone said a word about Zack Snyder turning a white character like Perry White Black In Man of steel.If Bryan Singer or Matthew Vaughn would have done that people would have raised hell.
It's normal, they take what works from each universe, TIH had all those elements from the 70s show because they were being incorpurated as the origin while Marvel was getting the rights back, i would have prefered the original 616 origin too. As for Ultimate Marvel they have a very good reason, for starters one of the reasons they created that imprint was to modernise their characters, the same thing they have to do while making their movies.

And say whatever you want to say about Mark Millar, i don't care, but his The Ultimates and The Ultimates 2 which are modernisations of the Avengers are very good and epic in scale stories, (they're some of my favourite Comic books too). In fact Mark Millar's work on Ultimate Marvel are better movie pitches than his recent original comics books that are supposed to be actual movie pitches.

The reason given in The Ultimates and the Avengers movie for the characters to be assembled by SHIELD is also a good explanation and i don't see the problem in that.

YoungPrime

08-07-2012, 01:41 PM

Well as I will keep saying Marvel studios make changes.They consently want to blend 616 Universe and Ultimate universe and with Hulk want to add 1970's TV Show Hulk elements.

I get sick and tired of complaning about changes being made to X-Men films but let other films off the hook.Noone said a word about Zack Snyder turning a white character like Perry White Black In Man of steel.If Bryan Singer or Matthew Vaughn would have done that people would have raised hell.

Last time I checked The WB was in as much deep water as Fox when it comes to Comic book films... Other than Nolan's run the DC films have received nothing but negative feedback.

Never the less no one's denying the fact that studios make changes but Marvel Studio's hasn't altered or flat out ruined any of its characters to the mind numbing extent as say... Deadpool, Galactus, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, The Phoenix, Sentinel, Saber Tooth, Agent Zero, Juggernaut and The entire cast of Elektra to name a few.

So I'm sorry if this upsets you but Fox has clearly earned the reputation of "b@stardizing" it's Marvel characters.

marvelrobbins

08-07-2012, 02:37 PM

Lord

08-07-2012, 02:42 PM

The Problem of Kingpin and Sabretooth were mostly in the film being bad, the actors were actually very good in their respective roles.

YoungPrime

08-07-2012, 04:20 PM

No one here Is defending Elektra,The FF films,The Last Stand,and Wolverine.

I will take exception with Sabretooth because one of only good things about Wolverine was Sabetooth.

Michael Clarke Duncan was more suited for Kingpin than Laurence Fishbourne Is to Perry White.

How many people here care more about Perry White then they do Kingpin?

Seriously...what will Fishbourne have, like 5 lines through out the whole movie.... Walk out yell at Clark and Lois about some scoop then storm back in his office.

danoyse

08-07-2012, 07:59 PM

Last time I checked The WB was in as much deep water as Fox when it comes to Comic book films... Other than Nolan's run the DC films have received nothing but negative feedback.

Never the less no one's denying the fact that studios make changes but Marvel Studio's hasn't altered or flat out ruined any of its characters to the mind numbing extent as say... Deadpool, Galactus, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, The Phoenix, Sentinel, Saber Tooth, Agent Zero, Juggernaut and The entire cast of Elektra to name a few.

So I'm sorry if this upsets you but Fox has clearly earned the reputation of "b@stardizing" it's Marvel characters.

This forum has been around for awhile...if you go through the forum for the previous X-Men films (http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466), you'll see plenty of unhappiness for the way Fox has handled the last few films in the series, particularly X3 and Wolverine.

Fan displeasure with Fox is not really news around here.

YoungPrime

08-07-2012, 11:28 PM

This forum has been around for awhile...if you go through the forum for the previous X-Men films (http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=466), you'll see plenty of unhappiness for the way Fox has handled the last few films in the series, particularly X3 and Wolverine.

Fan displeasure with Fox is not really news around here.

True yet despite this, people go on as if they have amnesia or as if the criticism that Fox gets about it's comic book movies isn't warranted.

I mean if all of their films were par with Xmen 1, 2 and FC then this thread would not likely exist.

X-Maniac

08-08-2012, 04:59 AM

True yet despite this, people go on as if they have amnesia or as if the criticism that Fox gets about it's comic book movies isn't warranted.

I mean if all of their films were par with Xmen 1, 2 and FC then this thread would not likely exist.

Trust me, we don't have amnesia.

We've been going over the bad (and the good) in these films for years and years, in fact since before X1 was released 12 years ago.

Every now and then some new angry/frustrated person arrives (like you) and thinks they have had some incredible epiphany where they realised things no one has ever, ever mentioned before.

Do you think everyone else on the internet, and on the planet, has been asleep and silent for the past 12 years? Hardly.

The general point we are at now is that people are giving the X-Men a chance again because First Class had promise, or at least showed a lot of promise. And there is also a general thought that although Marvel's movies may be far more character-accurate, they haven't all set the world on fire.

I'd be curious to see what Marvel Studios would do with the X-Men. But it's a bit pointless going on and on about it, as it seems an unlikely scenario at the moment.

However, the current rumours/speculation about Marvel and Fox talking about a swap for Daredevil and Fantastic Four suggest that there may be some movement on the issue of relaxing these studio contracts, but we'll see if it really happens.

danoyse

08-08-2012, 08:41 AM

True yet despite this, people go on as if they have amnesia or as if the criticism that Fox gets about it's comic book movies isn't warranted.

I mean if all of their films were par with Xmen 1, 2 and FC then this thread would not likely exist.

This subject exists in every forum regarding a Marvel character whose movie rights belong to another studio. It's been discussed at length in the Spiderman forums and the Marvel forums. This is far from a new subject, and I doubt it will go away as long as there are non-Marvel Studios comics films.

No one has "amnesia". Read through the X-Men forums, and go through all of the posts about X3 and Wolverine. You'll see a good number of the same people who post here agreeing with you about how Fox has screwed up those films.

Like X-Maniac said, people are willing to give it a chance because First Class was such an improvement. With the same team aboard for Days of Future past, it could be even better. Hopefully those improvements carry over to The Wolverine as well.

You haven't been here long enough to make judgements about the people here. Go and read through the other forum and see that nothing you're bringing up is news to anyone.

08-08-2012, 09:56 AM

I think a point to consider now is that no matter how good the X-Men and Spider-Man films continue to be, as long as they are with Fox and Sony it really wont matter to people.

Superman Prime

08-08-2012, 10:44 AM

I don't know guys, I really wanna see Wasp team up with Tinkerbell.

marvelrobbins

08-08-2012, 11:13 AM

I think a point to consider now is that no matter how good the X-Men and Spider-Man films continue to be, as long as they are with Fox and Sony it really wont matter to people.

which I why I ignore those people.Marvel studios today wouldn't exsist If
It hadn't been for success of X-Men and Spider-Man.Some complained that
The Amazing Spider-Man was reboot.What do you think Marvel would have
done with It.They would have done the same.

Look I don't think highly of rami Spider-Man but I understand why those who
liked Spider-Man 1 and 2 didn't want a reboot.I wish people would understand I don't want a reboot of X-Men.

My feeling on Fox and Marvel studios films are

X-Men-Good
Daredevil(Therical Cut)-Ok
X2-Very good
Daredevil(Director's Cut)-Decent
Elektra,FF,X-Men the last Stand,FF:Rise of Silver Silver-Bad
Iron Man-Decent
The Increidble Hulk-Good
Wolverine-Bad
Iron Man 2-Ok
Thor-so so
X-Men First Class-Very good
Captain America-OK
The Avengers-Very Good.

def28

08-08-2012, 12:29 PM

That doesnt exactly make Fox's percentage look good haha.

Ive enjoyed their recent blockbusters and I think XMOW was a kick in the ass for them to shape up. As was the success of Marvels films.

YoungPrime

08-10-2012, 12:31 AM

That doesnt exactly make Fox's percentage look good haha.

My sentiments exactly....

Project862006

08-10-2012, 05:58 AM

fox is more ambitious tho

you honestly think marvel would do a 70's X men and a DD reboot in the 70's based off a frank miller run?

i dont think so

Lord

08-10-2012, 06:13 AM

They don't even touch Punisher and Blade, which they just got back, i think that if they don't have time then they should try to bring those properties to tv without changing like they were doing with that proposed Frank Castle show that would be just a Dexter rip-off

08-10-2012, 08:03 AM

And when they get Daredevil back in October he will collect dust with Blade and Punisher.

marvelrobbins

08-10-2012, 08:17 AM

You better be sastified with directors cut of daredevil.Because that will be only time you will be seeing daredevil.Marvel will do nothing with daredevil.

With Punisher best you will ever see Is 2004 version.Marvel will do nothing with Punisher.And Blade.forget It be sastified with wesley snipes trilogy(and possibly short lived show If you liked It)

Any film or TV show will tie Into the avengers.Anything not avengers related won't be seen for years.

Angamb

08-10-2012, 08:21 AM

I think once Marvel finishes the trilogies to the main Avengers (Ironman, Thor and Cap) they will start releasing other heroes movies.

So that would mean to wait 4-5 years or so, with the third part of Captain America, possibly on 2017.

marvelrobbins

08-10-2012, 08:31 AM

After The Avengers 2 their films will be about leading to The Avengers 3 In 2018.Now assuming Marvel keeps their films as trilogys other heroes could start showing up In 2019.

and then there Is Issue of context does anyone really think Marvel and disney will release r rated or hard PG-13 films.Blade,The Punisher,and Daredevil If ever made will be very watered down compared to previous versions.

Angamb

08-10-2012, 08:34 AM

Ironman trilogy finishes next year, Thor 2 could come on 2015 and Cap 3 on 2017 if they keep that three years gap, although it could come on 2016 too, so who knows?

so once Thor 3 is done, they'll have much more space to release other heroes movies.

I guess on 2015 we'll start reading solid news about it. we'll see

Lord

08-10-2012, 08:42 AM

marvelrobbins

08-10-2012, 08:45 AM

Your assuming Thor 3 would be coming out In 2015 right after The Avengers 2.Thor3 Is more likely as summer 2016 film with Cap 3 as summer 2017 film.They may try to do Black Panther In 2016 or 2017 so then he can be used In The Avengers 3.

There Is possibilty of Guardians of Galaxy sequel.One of these days ant-Man may actullybe made.2019 Is earliest we will get non Avengers related film.And that assumes Cap,Iron Man,Thor,and Avengers stop at 3.

Angamb

08-10-2012, 08:50 AM

oh yeahh, I missed that

I guess Marvel will wait one more year for the third movie, then. if not late 2015.

Not sure if Marvel will only release one movie on 2015, tho. we'll have to wait for the Ant-man date yet

marvelrobbins

08-10-2012, 08:56 AM

You really think Marvel's going to keep those as trilogies? RDJ seems willing to sign for more Iron Man movies, and Marvel may want to recast Thor and Captain America when they're done. While they will definitelly use other properties like Black Panther i don't think we'll see any of these non-Avengers related properties until after Avengers 3.

To tell the truth i think that Punisher and Blade would work better as tv shows, but i doubt Marvel will do that.

Exactly.RDJ seems to really enjoy playing Tony Stark.He knowsIron Man was
ky to his comeback.And he can earn fortune for doing each film.Kevin Feige
already hinted they will do the recast card when they need to.Post The Avengers 2 not counting ant-man Black Panther Is most likely new film to be
devolped.eige has hinted a adaption of civil war could be done for Avengers 3.

Any Marvel shows will end up on Disney owned ABC.do you really think
AC wants a show like the Punisher where each week the hero of show Is gunning people down.And I doudtABC would want a Weekly Horror/Action
show like Blade.

Lord

08-10-2012, 09:06 AM

Actually i don't think that Civil War plan is still in motion, Joss Whedon said he wanted make the sequel smaller and more personal, i think that Thanos's ultimate defeat will be in Avengers 3, and that may signal the end of this arc.

marvelrobbins

08-10-2012, 09:23 AM

entirely possably Thanos could be done In Guardians of the galaxy,The Avengers 2,post
Avengers 2 films and concluding In The Avengers 3.I can see Joss whedon treating Thanos like a Buffy Big bad build them up for awhile till final showdown.

Angamb

08-10-2012, 10:31 AM

Black Panther is a must for phase 3.

Once they release the Ant-man and Black Panther movies, I wont mind what their future movies are :D

would be amazing to see Ironman, Thor, Cap, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Ant-man, Wasp and Black Panther all in one movie

:wow:

it will be the Ultimate Marvel movie, after Avengers 1.

Majik1387

08-10-2012, 08:38 PM

I think the only reason we haven't seen anything new from Punisher, Blade, and soon to come Daredevil, is that Marvel doesn't know how dark they can push the limits with Disney, though, like I've said before when Marvel was bought by Disney, it wouldn't affect Marvel doing dark movies; One of Disney's child companies funded and produced the Hellraiser movies, and while there's darker than those, conceptually, they're too dark for Disney to put the "Disney" brand on them, but not their less recognizable child/sub companies.

YoungPrime

08-12-2012, 01:06 AM

and then there Is Issue of context does anyone really think Marvel and disney will release r rated or hard PG-13 films.Blade,The Punisher,and Daredevil If ever made will be very watered down compared to previous versions.

Let the record show that Wolverine's comicbook history is as gory and violent as those other three characters combined. And yet no one's making a big fuss about him getting the manicured nail treatment in films. So why is the rate R theme even an issue for the other characters?

A R rated "Weapon X" film could blow off the charts but I don't see Fox entertaining that idea either... So please re-frame from making this about Disney watering down films since Logan will not be cutting out anyone's entrails any time soon. And yet most people here still have beliefs of its sequel being good, despite the last one.

Project862006

08-12-2012, 01:11 AM

well lets see
great cast
great script
great director

stars are lined up

YoungPrime

08-12-2012, 01:20 AM

well lets see
great cast
great script
great director

stars are lined up

.....................?

YoungPrime

08-15-2012, 09:31 PM

Dare Devil down.....next and more important is Fantastic 4.

Come on Disney don't disappoint me now...

danoyse

08-16-2012, 01:39 PM

Let the record show that Wolverine's comicbook history is as gory and violent as those other three characters combined. And yet no one's making a big fuss about him getting the manicured nail treatment in films. So why is the rate R theme even an issue for the other characters?

A R rated "Weapon X" film could blow off the charts but I don't see Fox entertaining that idea either... So please re-frame from making this about Disney watering down films since Logan will not be cutting out anyone's entrails any time soon. And yet most people here still have beliefs of its sequel being good, despite the last one.

Wait....are you actually insinuating that no one here complains that we haven't gotten an R-rated Wolverine movie?

I'm begging you to read the rest of this forum. :doh:

def28

08-16-2012, 01:45 PM

Dare Devil down.....next and more important is Fantastic 4.

Come on Disney don't disappoint me now...

Haha. You have a long wait ahead of you. For better or worse it just wont happen anytime soon. In the meantime you might as well give The Wolverine and DOFP a fair chance, and judge them after they are out.

Lord

08-16-2012, 01:56 PM

Dare Devil down.....next and more important is Fantastic 4.

Come on Disney don't disappoint me now...
You'll have to wait 5 more years and that is if FOX doesn't make the reboot during that time, which from the looks of it seems unlikely, you just get used to the idea that for the time being Marvel Studios won't be able to use Galactus, just go on and check the rest of the forums instead of just staying in the section of a movie you don't want to see happening.

YoungPrime

08-16-2012, 03:34 PM

Haha. You have a long wait ahead of you. For better or worse it just wont happen anytime soon. In the meantime you might as well give The Wolverine and DOFP a fair chance, and judge them after they are out.

No thank you....I'm all but done with X-men live action films. So I'll just let Fox continue to hang themselves.

I still have hope that Mickey Mouse will do the right thing and fight to get F4 back since the possibilities would be limitle$$ if they did.

Fox and Sony had their chance and more people(outside this thread of course) are taking notice. So I'm not spending another penny in theaters as far as Fox comicbooks films are concerned.

Majik1387

08-16-2012, 03:43 PM

Doesn't matter if "Mickey Mouse" wants to do the right thing or not, Fox's contract for Fantastic Four is pretty strong.

danoyse

08-16-2012, 03:58 PM

No thank you....I'm all but done with X-men live action films. So I'll just let Fox continue to hang themselves.

I still have hope that Mickey Mouse will do the right thing and fight to get F4 back since the possibilities would be limitle$$ if they did.

Fox and Sony had their chance and more people(outside this thread of course) are taking notice. So I'm not spending another penny in theaters as far as Fox comicbooks films are concerned.

Sigh...

Again, I will ask you not to make assumptions about the people here, since this subject has been discussed exhaustively on every Marvel-themed section of this forum. You're not bringing anything new to this discussion.

marvelrobbins

08-16-2012, 04:36 PM

So again why post here to just bash the X-Men films.

I don't post In Man of steel forum to show how I hate the Idea of Superman reboot.
Now that the Dark Knight rises Is In theatres I rarely go to batman boards since I don't like Idea of another reboot.

And people shouldn't dismiss the Idea of FF as Fox's summer 2015 tentpole film.

Angamb

08-16-2012, 06:11 PM

and many people on this x-men board are paying too much attention to this user.

So once all of us stop, he'll stop.

:)

YoungPrime

08-16-2012, 09:12 PM

Doesn't matter if "Mickey Mouse" wants to do the right thing or not, Fox's contract for Fantastic Four is pretty strong.True but money talks and if Marvel is serious about getting certain characters back who could solidify the potential of epic comic book films in the future, then here's to Disney/Marvel making $omething happen.

Sigh...

Again, I will ask you not to make assumptions about the people here, since this subject has been discussed exhaustively on every Marvel-themed section of this forum. You're not bringing anything new to this discussion.I was just responding to the question that was clearly addressed to me Sir... The objective wasn't to make any assumptions. My comment was in reference to most of the feedback in this thread.

I regret not having time to read "every Marvel-themed section of this forum" But if you wish for me to discontinue responding in this thread, I will comply.

So again why post here to just bash the X-Men films.

I don't post In Man of steel forum to show how I hate the Idea of Superman reboot.
Now that the Dark Knight rises Is In theatres I rarely go to batman boards since I don't like Idea of another reboot.

And people shouldn't dismiss the Idea of FF as Fox's summer 2015 tentpole film.I'm not here to bash X-men, nor did I create this thread. I'm simply adhering to it's topic which clearly states: "I wish Disney could get the rights from Fox". Which is something that I wish was true as well...

The admins haven't locked or moved this thread to another forum so by your own advice perhaps you should disregard to this particular thread since you obviously don't like topic.

Right or wrong..?

and many people on this x-men board are paying too much attention to this user.

So once all of us stop, he'll stop.
:)Wow...Ironically enough, I feel the same way about people paying to see Comic book films make by Fox. I mean if people who complain about them, stop watching them then Fox wont make them anymore...

Now I'm not here to personally annoy anyone, nor am I forcing anyone to post in this thread who doesn't want to...Plus this thread isn't about me. I'm just drawn to it like everyone else is I guess.

But if I've learned anything today its that even when two opinions defer you can still make use of them in a positive light.

For that I thank you.

Dagenspear

08-17-2012, 12:37 AM

Well I'm not uptight, so I have, at least, liked almost every FOX superhero movie. So personally I'm cool with the House of Mouse not having the rights and never getting them.

Majik1387

08-17-2012, 12:41 AM

True but money talks and if Marvel is serious about getting certain characters back who could solidify the potential of epic comic book films in the future, then here's to Disney/Marvel making $omething happen.
And yet they made more money than any studio with the characters/titles they have already. I don't see them in a rush to buy out FF.

Angamb

08-17-2012, 06:01 AM

Wow...Ironically enough, I feel the same way about people paying to see Comic book films make by Fox. I mean if people who complain about them, stop watching them then Fox wont make them anymore...

Now I'm not here to personally annoy anyone, nor am I forcing anyone to post in this thread who doesn't want to...Plus this thread isn't about me. I'm just drawn to it like everyone else is I guess.

But if I've learned anything today its that even when two opinions defer you can still make use of them in a positive light.

For that I thank you.

It wasnt a critic to you at all, it was more to those who complain about your posts.

I agree with them that it seems you really want most of us agree with you, and after seeing most of these users liked First Class and want more from Fox and that cast, you keep posting your same opinions. Thats what many of us dont understand, or dont like at all.

Your opinion is your opinion, and should be respected, of course.

But since all of us have posted our opinions, we dont need to discuss about it anymore at all.

that was my point.

Lord

08-17-2012, 06:25 AM

True but money talks and if Marvel is serious about getting certain characters back who could solidify the potential of epic comic book films in the future, then here's to Disney/Marvel making $omething happen.

I was just responding to the question that was clearly addressed to me Sir... The objective wasn't to make any assumptions. My comment was in reference to most of the feedback in this thread.

I regret not having time to read "every Marvel-themed section of this forum" But if you wish for me to discontinue responding in this thread, I will comply.

I'm not here to bash X-men, nor did I create this thread. I'm simply adhering to it's topic which clearly states: "I wish Disney could get the rights from Fox". Which is something that I wish was true as well...

The admins haven't locked or moved this thread to another forum so by your own advice perhaps you should disregard to this particular thread since you obviously don't like topic.

Right or wrong..?

Wow...Ironically enough, I feel the same way about people paying to see Comic book films make by Fox. I mean if people who complain about them, stop watching them then Fox wont make them anymore...

Now I'm not here to personally annoy anyone, nor am I forcing anyone to post in this thread who doesn't want to...Plus this thread isn't about me. I'm just drawn to it like everyone else is I guess.

But if I've learned anything today its that even when two opinions defer you can still make use of them in a positive light.

For that I thank you.
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danoyse

08-17-2012, 08:44 AM

I was just responding to the question that was clearly addressed to me Sir... The objective wasn't to make any assumptions. My comment was in reference to most of the feedback in this thread.

Well, the first assumption you shouldn't make is that I'm to be referred to as "sir". :cwink:

I regret not having time to read "every Marvel-themed section of this forum" But if you wish for me to discontinue responding in this thread, I will comply.

I regret that because you haven't take then the time to read through the other forums, specifically, the forum regarding the previous X-Men movies, because if you had, you would clearly see that

a) none of your points are new
b) you are hardly the first to boycott a Fox comic book film
c) the obvious frustrations with the studio over their handling of all of these franchises have been vented by virtually everyone you're lecturing here.

I'm not here to bash X-men, nor did I create this thread. I'm simply adhering to it's topic which clearly states: "I wish Disney could get the rights from Fox". Which is something that I wish was true as well...

No, what you are doing is making ridiculous assumptions about the people here because they're not immediately rallying up to agree with you. If you really want the reasons why they're not, I advise you again to read points a, b, and c again.

The admins haven't locked or moved this thread to another forum so by your own advice perhaps you should disregard to this particular thread since you obviously don't like topic.

Right or wrong..?

It's locked now. I would advise...again...that you use a more respectful tone towards the other members of this forum when it comes to those whose opinion you disagree with.