The OFFICIAL ANT-MAN/Giant-man Thread

[Angamb]

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There have been discussions here and there on the boards, but this subboard didnt have the official thread of the superhero (with all his forms and alter egos) so here it is.

San Diego Comic con its around the corner, and Marvel hasnt really made the official announcements about upcoming proyects, so lets hope for the best!

I'll be posting both past and present updates and quotes from the creative and production team, like Feige and Wright, along with rumors and all.

here are some of them:

March 30, 2012
Kevin Feige: "It’s somewhere. I’ll just say it’s closer than it’s ever been in its long maybe eight year history, and I usually e-mail Edgar every two or three days and over those eight years its got further away and closer… we are now closer than we’ve ever been. So I hope it will come together shortly."
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/03/30/ant-man-the-closest-its-ever-been-kevin-feige/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool +Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29

24th April 2012
Feige hopes pre-production on Ant-Man could get going this year: "With Ant-man, I know Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish have written a very good draft, they’ve been working on it for many years now, and have made a couple of other great movies since then. I think this summer we’ll see some forward momentum with that.
http://www.thisisfakediy.co.uk/articles/film/marvels-kevin-feige-discusses-ant-man-status-a-new-hulk-film-avengers-seque/


May 15, 2012
Edgar Wright: "Things are happening, and other things are happening on other things as well. There’s some interesting plates spinning and I ideally hope I’ll be shooting this year"
http://screenrant.com/edgar-wright-marvel-ant-man-2014-kofi-171883/
screenrant.com/edgar-wright-marvel-ant-man-2014-kofi-171883/

19 May, 2012
@TwitchFilm
Rumblings in #Cannes are that @edgarwright's ANT MAN has been greenlit. #rumor
https://twitter.com/?tw_e=screenname&tw_i=203926704790585344&tw_p=tweetembed#!/TwitchFilm

June 28, 2012
Edgar Wright Has Shot an Ant-Man Test Reel
Edgar: "The idea that we have for the adaptation is to actually involve both... Henry Pym and Scott Lang," Wright told SuperHeroHype some yearhttps://twitter.com/#!/edgarwrights ago. "So you actually do a prologue where you see Pym as Ant-Man in action in the 60's, in sort of 'Tales to Astonish' mode basically, and then the contemporary, sort of flash-forward, is Scott Lang's story, and how he comes to acquire the suit, how he crosses paths with Henry Pym, and then, in an interesting sort of Machiavellian way, teams up with him."
http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/171377-edgar-wright-has-shot-an-ant-man-test-reel

Edgar Wright's Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/edgarwright

all the info you could share, would be appreciated.

[marcvader]

http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/PatrickWilson2.jpg
Nuff said.

[Angamb]

wow, Id love him as Hank!!!

He is a really great actor, and has a great look for the character, both the scientific look and at the same time some appeal to the female audience, Id say.

So seems pretty perfect choice, definetly

Would be really cool to see him along with Robert Jr. and Mark Ruffalo

[Hawkingbird]

I read an article yesterday that said Ant-Man is in production!

[marcvader]

Link it, please.

[Angamb]

yeah!!!!! post the link please

[Angamb]

NEW RUMOUR!!!!


‘Iron Man 3′ Character Details & Potential Post-Credits Scene Spoiler

[.....]

Here’s where we get to the really interesting stuff:

Before dropping out of the film, Andy Lau was cast to play a character described as a “good guy” scientist of sorts. That character will be a version of Chen Lu (Radioactive Man) from the books. In Marvel Comics, Chen Lu is a nuclear physicist for the People’s Republic of China and a villain of Iron Man who works for The Mandarin. His abilities from exposure to radiation give him green-colored skin and the abilities to control radiation in various ways. I wouldn’t expect all of that to show up in Iron Man 3, but do expect his connection with these characters to surface as well as his connection to… Ant-Man.

In the books, Henry Pym (Ant-Man) fought Radioactive Man, defeating Lu and having him deported to China, but years later, when Lu had dropped his villainous roots to work with other superheroes, he and Pym worked together during the Marvel Civil War, building a prison for super-powered people.

The character may have a significant role that has him returning in future Marvel films, but for Iron Man 3, he may just show up in a special post-credits scene where Ant-Man is finally introduced. It’s this after-credits scene that may be shot by Edgar Wright, the director who’s been attached to Ant-Man for years and who has submitted several versions of its screenplay to Marvel, a script which is touted as being funny and exciting.

This scene is likely what Wright referred to when he told Empire and Slash Film that he hopes to be shooting something for Ant-Man this year.

This scene would feature Ant-Man, possibly masked. That may depend on casting, and there’s no word on that front. Seeing how Joss Whedon directed the post-credits button on Thor, which served as a lead-in to The Avengers, it makes sense to see Marvel doing the same with Edgar Wright on Iron Man 3 - and what better way to market a new, lesser-known character than with their biggest solo character franchise? This also lends credence to the idea that Ant-Man will join Captain America 2 as one of the 2014 Marvel Studios releases.

Let the speculation continue!

http://screenrant.com/iron-man-3-characters-spoilers-post-credits-ant-man-rob-182649/


This is getting interesting! :awesome:

[Hawkingbird]

I don't want Scott Lang.... I want Hank Pym.

[Angamb]

whoever ends being the character...

Im just really excited about this possibility.

This would mean Marvel REALLY will do the Ant-Man movie, if not, at least to include him on Avengers 2.

So, in any case, Id be happy.

would be more happier with the Ant-man movie before A2, but if that's not the case, at least use him in the sequel

[marcvader]

If they go with a Pym solo I suspect they're setting up Ultron for A2. That's my prediction.

[cherokeesam]

I don't want Scott Lang.... I want Hank Pym.

I'm warming up to the idea that we'll get both.
I just hope to hell we start hearing that Janet Van Dyne is in this, too. Edgar Wright's silence about her is starting to worry the hell out of me. :csad:

[OB12]

I could definitely see Ant-Man being greenlit, especially now that the second movie in 2014 has been moved to August. Ant-Man seems like a very August movie to me for some reason.

[Hawkingbird]

If they go with a Pym solo I suspect they're setting up Ultron for A2. That's my prediction.

£10 says it's Thanos.

[marcvader]

£10 says it's Thanos.

You're on! :cwink:

[Hawkingbird]

Dundunduuunnn

[Angamb]

If they go with a Pym solo I suspect they're setting up Ultron for A2. That's my prediction.

since it seems Marvel wants Thanos on the sequel, they can include Ant-man on the team on Avengers 2 and on the third part to develop Ultron. Seems like a pretty decent arc for Hank on the franchise.

[jaqua99]

I could definitely see Ant-Man being greenlit, especially now that the second movie in 2014 has been moved to August. Ant-Man seems like a very August movie to me for some reason.

Well maybe we will get 3. It seems very very likely Guardians will be one of the movies. Multiples have almost confirmed it.

since it seems Marvel wants Thanos on the sequel, they can include Ant-man on the team on Avengers 2 and on the third part to develop Ultron. Seems like a pretty decent arc for Hank on the franchise.

I personally would rather have Ultron in 2. And Thanos for 3. But unfortunately, it doesn't seem like thats the direction they are going

[Angamb]

I guess Ultron is less powerfull than Thanos right?

I watched some episodes from the latest animated series, and if I dont remember bad, Ultron was as big of a villian, right?

not sure if Marvel would use him as the unique villain of a sequel.

I personally would like to see Ant-man in a sequel being just that, the new avenger, with that power, and then develop him a bit more in the next sequel creating Ultron.

I mean, to have it all in just one sequel would be too much for the new character, I feel.

[jaqua99]

I guess Ultron is less powerfull than Thanos right?

I watched some episodes from the latest animated series, and if I dont remember bad, Ultron was as big of a villian, right?

not sure if Marvel would use him as the unique villain of a sequel.

I personally would like to see Ant-man in a sequel being just that, the new avenger, with that power, and then develop him a bit more in the next sequel creating Ultron.

I mean, to have it all in just one sequel would be too much for the new character, I feel.

Ultron is a big avengers villain. Arguably their best. Thanos is more powerful and operates on a universal scale.

I think it depends when Ant man is going to happen. If he happens in 2014, then ya, that could set up Ultron for Avengers 2. If he happens in phase III in say, 2016, then it will probably set up Ultron for 3. However, if Guardians AND Antman end up happening in 2014, its tough to say where they will go with the villian

[marcvader]

I'm going with Joss' desire to make A2 smaller and more personal in story than Avengers. To me Thanos seems like a bigger deal than Ultron and doesn't fit with what he said.

[OB12]

I'm going with Joss' desire to make A2 smaller and more personal in story than Avengers. To me Thanos seems like a bigger deal than Ultron and doesn't fit with what he said.


Yeah, I think it will eventually end up being Ultron in Avengers 2. However, I could still see Thanos having a role in the movie. Perhaps he sets in motion the self-awareness of Ultron in some fashion.

[jaqua99]

I'm going with Joss' desire to make A2 smaller and more personal in story than Avengers. To me Thanos seems like a bigger deal than Ultron and doesn't fit with what he said.

Yeah, I think it will eventually end up being Ultron in Avengers 2. However, I could still see Thanos having a role in the movie. Perhaps he sets in motion the self-awareness of Ultron in some fashion.

See, what I am having a hard time udnerstanding, how will this work if the guardians movie does in fact feature Thanos? and if Thanos does in fact steal the gauntlet in Thor 2?

He has the gauntlet, we got his back story from Guardians, how do they put him off for such a long time now?

UNLESS he does have something to do with Avengers 2.

[OB12]

Thanos doesn't necessarily have to be featured as the antagonist in GOTG. Maybe there is another cosmic threat with Thanos again behind the scenes pursuing his own goals. I mean, I'd kinda like to have his presence felt throught Phase 2 but not paying off until Avengers 3.

Back to Ant-Man, I think his after-credits scene in IM3 would be cool if Tony shows up at his lab after hearing about his work. Tony is coming to offer him a position at Stark Industries, but no one is in the lab. He picks up a prototype of Ultron's head and suddenly Pym enlarges right behind him.

[Angamb]

that would be sooo cool!!! lol

really. with a short line at the end from Hank, like: "what the hell are u doing?" or something like that :D

[Chronoless]

I think Antman should introduce Ultron as his bad guy and maybe from there Avengers 2 have "The Master of Evil" with Ultron leading them. Thanos should still pay a role, but should be saved for Avenger 3 (part 1 and part 2: why not? Twilight and Harry potter did it) (where part 1, he beats them all up and part 2 he gets taken down) This way we might get a chance to get adam warlock, black panther, Msmarvel, she hulk in on Thanos, also build up the IG for people who don't know what it is.

[marcvader]

I say you use Ultron similar to what they did with Loki in Thor then in Avengers.

[Angamb]

I think Antman should introduce Ultron as his bad guy and maybe from there Avengers 2 have "The Master of Evil" with Ultron leading them. Thanos should still pay a role, but should be saved for Avenger 3 (part 1 and part 2: why not? Twilight and Harry potter did it) (where part 1, he beats them all up and part 2 he gets taken down) This way we might get a chance to get adam warlock, black panther, Msmarvel, she hulk in on Thanos, also build up the IG for people who don't know what it is.

would be interesting to see the avengers fighting a team of villains for once, definetly.

about Ultron, not sure if Marvel will use him as the only villain in an avengers sequel, specially if he was used in an Ant-man movie. As marcvader says, it would be the same formula than Loki.

lets hope Marvel is able to bring something new and fresh with the next villains, in the avengers sequels. As long as they have a great creative team and let them some freedom, they will do it.

[jaqua99]

would be interesting to see the avengers fighting a team of villains for once, definetly.

about Ultron, not sure if Marvel will use him as the only villain in an avengers sequel, specially if he was used in an Ant-man movie. As marcvader says, it would be the same formula than Loki.

lets hope Marvel is able to bring something new and fresh with the next villains, in the avengers sequels. As long as they have a great creative team and let them some freedom, they will do it.

Nothing wrong with that. Ultron needs some development. If they do use Ultron, I am hoping its the same way as Loki. And I am hoping he's the only villian

[marcvader]

I do hope he is the only villain as he's capable enough. There's just so much story goodness with his relationship to Hank and Jan and then Vision that I want to pull my hair out of my my head whenever I read someone suggesting Stark having a hand in his creation. Leave it the way it was Marvel it's one of your best storylines.

[Angamb]

if you both know the source material, and think its a great storyline to be more than enough for one sequel, Ill trust your feelings, then

:D

[DrCosmic]

I think that Loki formula works well. I mean, if they do GotG, they're introducing Thanos as the main villain there... it's a good thing, making these multi-movie villains makes them bigger and badder, and establishes why they can be a threat against a multi-movie team.

[Chronoless]

I think having the Avengers fight a team of super Villain would further develop they bond from part one. What is more powerful than Loki + Army of aliens, but less powerful than Thanos/w IG? a team compose of supervillians that can match the Avengers power for power. It will move a little away from the alien invasion idea: that some people keep comparing to transformer (i hate how people did that). Not saying they should not have Thanos, but this will show that there is evil on earth that needs the Avengers to form for besides out of earth. Plus Marvel can lead the way again with the first cross villain teamup Movie adaptation. Somthing that Looks like the MvC3 (or UMvC3) Opening trailer for the final fight would be so nuts. (but replacing the Capcom characters with Avenger villains.)

[Hawkingbird]

Surley if Scott Lang is Ant-Man then Ultron would not turn up? I want Scott Lang, ecspeicaly as he has Cassie and might lead to Young Avengers making a cameo, but I still want Hank in the Avengers too, not as a past super hero.

[Angamb]

I dont know the Ant-man arc from the comics, and all this Scott Lang/Hank/alter egos issue, but....

is it possible that the actor who portray Ant-man in his own movie cant be the same in an Avengers sequel?

[cherokeesam]

I dont know the Ant-man arc from the comics, and all this Scott Lang/Hank/alter egos issue, but....

is it possible that the actor who portray Ant-man in his own movie cant be the same in an Avengers sequel?


There's several "Ant-Men." Hank Pym is the first, and most important; he created the costume/hero, but he quickly "reversed the polarity" of his little "Pym particles" and grew to giant size instead, and has been more famous as Giant-Man/Goliath in the Avengers for most of the past 50 years.

Sometime in the 80s (maybe late 70s....?), one of the Avengers writers resurrected the old Ant-Man costume and gave it to Scott Lang, and Lang as Ant-Man became a fairly prominent Avenger in the 90s-00s.

More recently, Eric O'Grady has become "The Irredeemable Ant-Man," and he's become moderately notorious in the modern Marvel universe for being the most lecherous cad on the planet.

Apparently, the Edgar Wright film features Hank Pym as an old Ant-Man from the 1960s, and Scott Lang is more or less the real hero of the movie, so it seems to follow the storyline where Lang first stole and donned the Ant-Man suit.

What effect this approach will have on the Avengers sequels remains to be seen. At this point, Wright has said that his characters won't appear in the Avengers at all, but that's outdated information which might have changed by now.

[Hawkingbird]

I dont know the Ant-man arc from the comics, and all this Scott Lang/Hank/alter egos issue, but....

is it possible that the actor who portray Ant-man in his own movie cant be the same in an Avengers sequel?
Don't you have an Ant-Man avy :doh:?

[Angamb]

because Im really anticipating his movie.

But Im a X-men fan since many years ago.

Im not into comics at all, out of the x-men world, in fact Ive only read some numbers from The Ultimates, some years ago.

[Angamb]

There's several "Ant-Men." Hank Pym is the first, and most important; he created the costume/hero, but he quickly "reversed the polarity" of his little "Pym particles" and grew to giant size instead, and has been more famous as Giant-Man/Goliath in the Avengers for most of the past 50 years.

Sometime in the 80s (maybe late 70s....?), one of the Avengers writers resurrected the old Ant-Man costume and gave it to Scott Lang, and Lang as Ant-Man became a fairly prominent Avenger in the 90s-00s.

More recently, Eric O'Grady has become "The Irredeemable Ant-Man," and he's become moderately notorious in the modern Marvel universe for being the most lecherous cad on the planet.

Apparently, the Edgar Wright film features Hank Pym as an old Ant-Man from the 1960s, and Scott Lang is more or less the real hero of the movie, so it seems to follow the storyline where Lang first stole and donned the Ant-Man suit.

What effect this approach will have on the Avengers sequels remains to be seen. At this point, Wright has said that his characters won't appear in the Avengers at all, but that's outdated information which might have changed by now.

thanks for all the info.

I like the 60's set from the Edgar proyect, but find it a bit weird, since Marvel probably want his solo movie to lead to his inclusion on the team, so lets see how this ends.

I hope they dont go the Captain America route, having another character/actor coming from the past

[culver3vlr22]

I just really love Edgar and everything he has done. Knowing he is doing the movie makes me SOOOO hoping this movie comes soon!


I know NOTHING on Ant-man tho lol Anyone care to tell me some comics with him?

I really wanna get into Ant-man.

[Hawkingbird]

because Im really anticipating his movie.

But Im a X-men fan since many years ago.

Im not into comics at all, out of the x-men world, in fact Ive only read some numbers from The Ultimates, some years ago.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6xl1jChXb1qcchw5.gif

[Angamb]

whats the problem? lol

[Hawkingbird]

I'm an awful, awful person that gets annoyed with people that claim to love superheroes but don't read the movies.

[marcvader]

Believe it or not some people are not interested in reading comics but love the movies. I got over it, you should too. :)

[Hawkingbird]

I'm working on it :o

[Angamb]

I'm an awful, awful person that gets annoyed with people that claim to love superheroes but don't read the movies.

dont read movies?

:woot:

and I read comics......... just from the X-men world :)

[Hawkingbird]

Woops :3 yeah, I don't really have much of a problem with it. It's one of my pet peaves :woot:

[marcvader]

Even though I don't fret over it anymore, my problem was always with people that never read the source material not understanding that the reason there is a movie even being made in the first place is because of the comic and the interest there is in it. Then they try to convince you that this needs to be done this way or that way.

[Angamb]

I like comics really, specially the Marvel world, and would like to read more..... but I use to have a problem with seating down to read in general, whatever it is, a comic or a book

:woot:

so that's my issue :doh:

:oldrazz:

[Hawkingbird]

Give me a good book I will read it. Give me a comic, good or bad, I will read it.

[Angamb]

hopefully I'll change soon....

anyway, lets go back to the topic.

Do you think is possible to see Wasp on the Ant-man movie?

if its set only on the 60's, clearly not (at least lets hope not).... but if Edgar jumps in time, she could be used as more than a cameo... not sure if Id like that or not, yet...

[BatsDC]

Marvel to announce Ant Man at Iron Man 3 Hall H panel?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/07/13/marvel-to-detail-plans-for-ant-man-in-hall-h-panel-tomorrow-night/

[Angamb]

I HOPE SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

even if its a cameo on Ironman 3 or the release date of his own movie

I just hope they announce something FINALLY

[KangConquers]

I really hope this film gets announced for fall/winter 2014. I'd love to see Marvel finally do 3 films in one year.

[Hawkingbird]

I had a dream Wasp and Pym turned up at the end of IM3 :woot:

[Angamb]

that would be amazing!

and with well known actors, to shock the audience some way, and the fans specially.

Cant wait to see both with the rest of the avengers in a big action sequence, it will be such an spectacle. And really cool to see someone as big as Hulk with a sexy woman with the size of a wasp. its a pretty good and interesting contrast, and would be a really cool watch, without doubt, even if some haters cant feel it yet. but the day Marvel does it, everyone would love to see them all together, with such different powers

[catintheengine]

Alright, I'm going to throw my two cents in on this one.

I think the idea of doing both the Hank Pym/Scott Lang story-lines for the Ant-Man movie is really interesting. I think it's a really creative route and would love to see how Wright could pull it off.

Personally, in my mind, I see it being sort of like what was going on in Watchmen. You have these two stories being told simultaneously, even though they are decades apart. Speaking strictly from a story-telling perspective, it offers the film-makers the opportunity to give a lot more back-story and exposition in a shorter amount of time. Let's keep in mind that these movies are on a time-table and aren't going to be made forever. It's a creative solution to that problem.

Let's be honest, the majority of us are probably a bit more interested in seeing Hank and Janet than Scott. The great thing about the split-story idea is that it offers the film-makers the option to show both stories; You could have the Hank/Janet origin story (set in the 1960's) and then the Scott Lang story (set in modern times).

Hypothetically speaking, it allows Ant-Man to be used in The Avengers 2 without bloating the roster too much. Just use the Scott Lang version. I know this isn't necessarily what all the fans want, but from a production point-of-view it makes sense.

Back to the Ant-Man origin story: I think it would be kind of interesting to see it told with the back-drop of the 'red scare'. The 60's were a time of wide-ranging political turmoil, with both the American and Russian governments going so far as to invest in "psychic spying". A man that can make himself small enough to ride on the back of an ant? Sounds like something that the American government of the 1960's (and maybe even an early incarnation of S.H.I.E.L.D?) would be interested in investigating. :cwink:

As far as Ultron goes: They could even show Hank developing Ultron in the past, and then "Ultron Mk. II" (aka The Vision) in the present age.

Just a couple of fun little ideas I had.

[Angamb]

no leaked footgate yet??

even a screncap?? lol

Im so glad about the San Diego confirmation, this can become another great Marvel movie, like Ironman, with that mix of action, humour, suspense and all kind of elements

[psylockolussus]

I hope this movie gets a 2015 release date!

I've been waiting for this movie since 2008!

[cherokeesam]

Alright, I'm going to throw my two cents in on this one.

I think the idea of doing both the Hank Pym/Scott Lang story-lines for the Ant-Man movie is really interesting. I think it's a really creative route and would love to see how Wright could pull it off.

Personally, in my mind, I see it being sort of like what was going on in Watchmen. You have these two stories being told simultaneously, even though they are decades apart. Speaking strictly from a story-telling perspective, it offers the film-makers the opportunity to give a lot more back-story and exposition in a shorter amount of time. Let's keep in mind that these movies are on a time-table and aren't going to be made forever. It's a creative solution to that problem.

Let's be honest, the majority of us are probably a bit more interested in seeing Hank and Janet than Scott. The great thing about the split-story idea is that it offers the film-makers the option to show both stories; You could have the Hank/Janet origin story (set in the 1960's) and then the Scott Lang story (set in modern times).

Hypothetically speaking, it allows Ant-Man to be used in The Avengers 2 without bloating the roster too much. Just use the Scott Lang version. I know this isn't necessarily what all the fans want, but from a production point-of-view it makes sense.

Back to the Ant-Man origin story: I think it would be kind of interesting to see it told with the back-drop of the 'red scare'. The 60's were a time of wide-ranging political turmoil, with both the American and Russian governments going so far as to invest in "psychic spying". A man that can make himself small enough to ride on the back of an ant? Sounds like something that the American government of the 1960's (and maybe even an early incarnation of S.H.I.E.L.D?) would be interested in investigating. :cwink:

As far as Ultron goes: They could even show Hank developing Ultron in the past, and then "Ultron Mk. II" (aka The Vision) in the present age.

Just a couple of fun little ideas I had.

The way I see it, Wright could still have his Cold War-era Hank Pym Ant-Man....but set it in the 1980s instead of the 1960s. The 1980s still represent one of the "hottest" eras for the Cold War (that's why Watchmen only works in that era), so it still makes sense. That would make "Old Man Hank" 20 years younger than a 1960s version....I could easily, easily see a 50something Hank Pym with salt-n-pepper hair, looking like a genuine Reed Richards genius. You could even keep Janet as a young woman, 20something, and add a new layer to the Hank & Janet relationship by making it May-December.

In fact, I like that idea even better than seeing Hank Pym as a genius in his 20s or 30s. Too bad Edgar Wright doesn't listen to me, or return my calls, or lift the restraining order. :csad:

[Angamb]

I hope this movie gets a 2015 release date!

I've been waiting for this movie since 2008!

November 2014 seems better, at least for me :woot:

three years for this movie is too much, lol we need something fresh soon, these iron man, cap and thors sequels arent enough, we already know them, so bring on the new heroes, Marvel!!

[catintheengine]

I really like that idea cherokeesam!

My only real concern would be that, from what I understand, they are pretty set on the idea of showing Lang. That could just be rumor though.

As long as it has a great story and strong acting, I think most of us will be happy.

Are there still rumors going around about Nathan Fillion playing Pym?

[Angamb]

no more rumours. He didnt want the job

And hopefully Edgar W. has someone different in mind

:)

[catintheengine]

That's a shame. I thought Fillion would be a great fit for the role.

However, I am sure that Wright will find someone who can carry the role and do it justice.

[jaqua99]

Hopefully we get a 2014 release and have an Ultron story, with Thanos still as a minor character, or even having some involvement.

Personally I would prefer Pym all along.

[Angamb]

Id like Pym in the Avengers sequel, without doubt, and with Wasp.

but I think the Scott Lang storyline is a good one too.... but not sure how Marvel can do both, specially regarding his inclussion on the team after his solo movie.

I dont see one known actor as the lead in Antman, and then another actor as Antman on Avengers 2.

I think general audience would be confused.

Lets hope Marvel and Edgar has a smart idea to pull this off perfectly.

[cherokeesam]

Id like Pym in the Avengers sequel, without doubt, and with Wasp.

but I think the Scott Lang storyline is a good one too.... but not sure how Marvel can do both, specially regarding his inclussion on the team after his solo movie.

I dont see one known actor as the lead in Antman, and then another actor as Antman on Avengers 2.

I think general audience would be confused.

Lets hope Marvel and Edgar has a smart idea to pull this off perfectly.

To me, the pieces fit together perfectly, and sensibly enough:

Hank Pym is an older scientist, say in his 50s now, who discovered the "Pym particles" back in the 1980s and figured out how to miniaturize himself as Ant-Man. He gets tired of the cloak and dagger stuff with SHIELD, though (he's essentially a hippie peacenik), and drops out of spycraft.

Fast forward to the 2010s, and thief Scott Lang breaks into Pym's mansion (provided to Hank in a generous retirement package by Nick Fury, courtesy of the American taxpayer), steals some stuff, including the Ant-Man suit. Lang becomes the new Ant-Man, and Pym eventually warms to the idea (mainly because of the ol' tugging heartstrings story about poor little dying Cassie) and winds up mentoring him.

Janet Van Dyne, Hank's hot younger girlfriend, catches wind of what the two "Ant-Men" are up to, and wants a piece of the action. Hank is reluctant, but Janet is too strong-willed for him to refuse, so he uses the miniaturization on her in a risky procedure that somehow requires both him and her to be part of the experiment. The experiment is, well, successful, but not necessarily in the way Hank intended: Janet miniaturizes all right, and becomes the ever-lovin' Wasp; but the Pym particles reverse in *his* procedure and he actually grows to giant size. Enter: Giant-Man.

So our three amigos --- Giant-Man, Ant-Man and Wasp --- finish the movie with a climactic flourish; Fury talks Hank into coming back into SHIELD; Janet and Lang want to come, too. Avengers 2: Giant-Man, Ant-Man and Wasp join the roster.

It's simple, elegant, and even slightly faithful to canon.

But.....yeah, it's a pipedream. And I'm sure Wright doesn't give a damn about how the pieces fit into the Avengers. He's telling his story, and canon and continuity be damned. :csad:

[catintheengine]

I, for the most part, agree with you cherokeesam.

I do like the idea of an older Pym mentoring Lang.

The biggest change I would make would be to focus solely on Hank and Janet in the Ant-Man solo movie. Introduce Lang only at the end, and let him be Ant-Man for The Avengers 2. Then I would show, during the climatic A2 battle, Pym remotely reverse the Pym particles and suddenly Lang turns into Giant-Man/Goliath.

I think perhaps that's ok for Wright to focus on the story he wants to tell. I'm sure that he will respect that over-arching franchise, but he does need to focus on what he is working on - the rest will fall into place.

Keep in mind that this sort of thing is virtually unprecedented in the film world.

[Angamb]

To me, the pieces fit together perfectly, and sensibly enough:

Hank Pym is an older scientist, say in his 50s now, who discovered the "Pym particles" back in the 1980s and figured out how to miniaturize himself as Ant-Man. He gets tired of the cloak and dagger stuff with SHIELD, though (he's essentially a hippie peacenik), and drops out of spycraft.

Fast forward to the 2010s, and thief Scott Lang breaks into Pym's mansion (provided to Hank in a generous retirement package by Nick Fury, courtesy of the American taxpayer), steals some stuff, including the Ant-Man suit. Lang becomes the new Ant-Man, and Pym eventually warms to the idea (mainly because of the ol' tugging heartstrings story about poor little dying Cassie) and winds up mentoring him.

Janet Van Dyne, Hank's hot younger girlfriend, catches wind of what the two "Ant-Men" are up to, and wants a piece of the action. Hank is reluctant, but Janet is too strong-willed for him to refuse, so he uses the miniaturization on her in a risky procedure that somehow requires both him and her to be part of the experiment. The experiment is, well, successful, but not necessarily in the way Hank intended: Janet miniaturizes all right, and becomes the ever-lovin' Wasp; but the Pym particles reverse in *his* procedure and he actually grows to giant size. Enter: Giant-Man.

So our three amigos --- Giant-Man, Ant-Man and Wasp --- finish the movie with a climactic flourish; Fury talks Hank into coming back into SHIELD; Janet and Lang want to come, too. Avengers 2: Giant-Man, Ant-Man and Wasp join the roster.

It's simple, elegant, and even slightly faithful to canon.

But.....yeah, it's a pipedream. And I'm sure Wright doesn't give a damn about how the pieces fit into the Avengers. He's telling his story, and canon and continuity be damned. :csad:

but wouldnt it be maybe too much to have Ant-man and Giantman in his first movie?

and has that happened in the comics? I mean, to have both heroes at the same time?

Ive always thought that Hank has been both Ant-man and Giantman... was I wrong? :huh:

[MrAnonymous]

I think the best thing to do if they want to include Lang is have him as a supporting character to Pym and Janet and then in a possible sequel adapt "To Steal an Ant-Man" so then Pym could be in Avengers 2 as Ant-Man still.

[Hawkingbird]

To me, the pieces fit together perfectly, and sensibly enough:

Hank Pym is an older scientist, say in his 50s now, who discovered the "Pym particles" back in the 1980s and figured out how to miniaturize himself as Ant-Man. He gets tired of the cloak and dagger stuff with SHIELD, though (he's essentially a hippie peacenik), and drops out of spycraft.

Fast forward to the 2010s, and thief Scott Lang breaks into Pym's mansion (provided to Hank in a generous retirement package by Nick Fury, courtesy of the American taxpayer), steals some stuff, including the Ant-Man suit. Lang becomes the new Ant-Man, and Pym eventually warms to the idea (mainly because of the ol' tugging heartstrings story about poor little dying Cassie) and winds up mentoring him.

Janet Van Dyne, Hank's hot younger girlfriend, catches wind of what the two "Ant-Men" are up to, and wants a piece of the action. Hank is reluctant, but Janet is too strong-willed for him to refuse, so he uses the miniaturization on her in a risky procedure that somehow requires both him and her to be part of the experiment. The experiment is, well, successful, but not necessarily in the way Hank intended: Janet miniaturizes all right, and becomes the ever-lovin' Wasp; but the Pym particles reverse in *his* procedure and he actually grows to giant size. Enter: Giant-Man.

So our three amigos --- Giant-Man, Ant-Man and Wasp --- finish the movie with a climactic flourish; Fury talks Hank into coming back into SHIELD; Janet and Lang want to come, too. Avengers 2: Giant-Man, Ant-Man and Wasp join the roster.

It's simple, elegant, and even slightly faithful to canon.

But.....yeah, it's a pipedream. And I'm sure Wright doesn't give a damn about how the pieces fit into the Avengers. He's telling his story, and canon and continuity be damned. :csad:

I don't think it would be good to have 3 size shapers in one team, 2 is enough. Also, it would be bad to have Wasp made out to be a money grabber and Hank some cradlerobber (better than a wife beater I geuss :o )
I'd like the first film to be Hank and Jan (which by the looks of things, isn't going to happen), at the end of A2, they quit, and in Ant Man 2 we get Scott.

However, I can either see it going these ways:

Hank is a flashback, Scott's original "Save Cassie" story.
No Hank. Just Scott. "Save Cassie" story.
Hank flashback with Jan. Scott."Save Cassie" story.
Hank flashback. Scott with Jan."Save Cassie" story.
A mix between Hank and Scott. Meaning, the "Save Cassie" story is there, Scott/Hank either makes or steals the Ant Man equipment to get money, Janet is his partner.
If I'd had to chose between the 5, I'd chose the last.

[catintheengine]

If it were up to me I'd probably go with scenario #3 or scenario #5.

I don't think an age difference necessarily implies that there is any gold-digging/cradle-robbing going on. I mean, if Hank were 70 and Janet was 25, then yeah, I'd probably assume that, but them being 15 to 20 years apart isn't as bad.

Let me preface what I'm about to say with this statement: Wife-beating is wrong. Men who do such things are not even worthy of the title of 'man'.

I think that the abusive relationship between Hank and Janet is integral to their story. They should obviously tone it down a WHOLE LOT for the movie, but I think the characters having flaws is really important.

- Iron Man is narcissistic and an alcoholic.
- Captain America has a bit of problem with inadequacy, most notably in the first half of his solo movie.
- Bruce Banner has, as Tony Stark put it, anger management issues.
- Thor, in his solo movie, was shown to have a superiority complex.

Watching these characters overcome their flaws is part of the experience. It makes them easier for the audience to relate to.

Am I saying we should see Hank slap Janet around the lab? No. Not at all. That would be terrible.

But perhaps they could imply a certain level of emotional abuse in the relationship? Maybe Hank projects his own frustrations onto Janet?

It's hard to make an argument for such a thing, but I do think it's important for the characters to be flawed in some way.

[Gammagoon494]

I'm just going to state my opinion on the Ant man movie. I love the story-line that goes with Hank and Janet and It will make a great movie but it needs to focus on character development like The Amazing Spider-man, The Incredible Hulk and Thor but still include action scenes.

The action scenes could have more of a spy movie tone, like how Iron man had a Sci-Fi/Thriller tone, Cap had a war movie tone and Thor had a mystical tone.

As for the villain for Antman it should probably be Scott Lang in a To Steal an Antman blot but there has to be some sort of surprise twist with a big villain like Radioactive Man or something. Ultron would make a clear cameo but in his state before being evil. But I really think that AIM and Wonderman should be introduced in Antman so that Wonderman can be on the masters of evil roster.

Also Avengers 2 should have Baron Zemo and the masters of evil for the main villains but Thanos can still play a role. The masters of evil would consist of Zemo(Introduced in Captain America 2), The Enchantress (Introduced in Thor 2), The Executioner (Thor 2), Abomination (The Incredible Hulk), Wonderman (Introduced in Antman) and Crimson Dynamo (Introduced Ironman 3).

Avengers 3 - Villain: Kang the Conquer -- New Avengers Members: Hawkeye (Holding a Major role and classic costume*), The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, Hank Pym as Goliath

Avengers 4- Villain: Ultron -- New Avengers Members: Black Panther (Introduced in Cap 2), Vision and Yellowjacket


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[VictorShade]

I'm just going to state my opinion on the Ant man movie. I love the story-line that goes with Hank and Janet and It will make a great movie but it needs to focus on character development like The Amazing Spider-man, The Incredible Hulk and Thor but still include action scenes.

The action scenes could have more of a spy movie tone, like how Iron man had a Sci-Fi/Thriller tone, Cap had a war movie tone and Thor had a mystical tone.

As for the villain for Antman it should probably be Scott Lang in a To Steal an Antman blot but there has to be some sort of surprise twist with a big villain like Radioactive Man or something. Ultron would make a clear cameo but in his state before being evil. But I really think that AIM and Wonderman should be introduced in Antman so that Wonderman can be on the masters of evil roster.

Also Avengers 2 should have Baron Zemo and the masters of evil for the main villains but Thanos can still play a role. The masters of evil would consist of Zemo(Introduced in Captain America 2), The Enchantress (Introduced in Thor 2), The Executioner (Thor 2), Abomination (The Incredible Hulk), Wonderman (Introduced in Antman) and Crimson Dynamo (Introduced Ironman 3).

Avengers 3 - Villain: Kang the Conquer -- New Avengers Members: Hawkeye (Holding a Major role and classic costume*), The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, Hank Pym as Goliath

Avengers 4- Villain: Ultron -- New Avengers Members: Black Panther (Introduced in Cap 2), Vision and Yellowjacket


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I am soooo with you on all of that!!! That's how it should unfold.
But i thought the Ant Man movie is already scheduled to be released after Avenger's 2.

[spideymouse]

I'm just going to state my opinion on the Ant man movie. I love the story-line that goes with Hank and Janet and It will make a great movie but it needs to focus on character development like The Amazing Spider-man, The Incredible Hulk and Thor but still include action scenes.

The action scenes could have more of a spy movie tone, like how Iron man had a Sci-Fi/Thriller tone, Cap had a war movie tone and Thor had a mystical tone.

As for the villain for Antman it should probably be Scott Lang in a To Steal an Antman blot but there has to be some sort of surprise twist with a big villain like Radioactive Man or something. Ultron would make a clear cameo but in his state before being evil. But I really think that AIM and Wonderman should be introduced in Antman so that Wonderman can be on the masters of evil roster.

Also Avengers 2 should have Baron Zemo and the masters of evil for the main villains but Thanos can still play a role. The masters of evil would consist of Zemo(Introduced in Captain America 2), The Enchantress (Introduced in Thor 2), The Executioner (Thor 2), Abomination (The Incredible Hulk), Wonderman (Introduced in Antman) and Crimson Dynamo (Introduced Ironman 3).

Avengers 3 - Villain: Kang the Conquer -- New Avengers Members: Hawkeye (Holding a Major role and classic costume*), The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, Hank Pym as Goliath

Avengers 4- Villain: Ultron -- New Avengers Members: Black Panther (Introduced in Cap 2), Vision and Yellowjacket


*http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDSvyeyBJCj7bzzzTy1xxKQFThob4MU PCzdzszaN3bgjaZa8zxtoS2TxXsI don't think Crimson Dynamo is being introduced in Iron Man 3, and I think Thanos will have to be the main Avengers villain in Avengers 3 at the very latest, but let me stay on topic (Ant-Man) here.

All signs still only point to Ant-Man being a spy thriller movie, but that's with Scott Lang as a central character. Is it characteristic of Hank and Janet to be in a spy thriller movie? I'm only familiar with their characters through the A:EMH cartoon.

I really like your idea of introducing Simon Williams in Ant-Man. I don't know why.