Winter Soldier: Bionic arm or not?

[kaijunexus]

Should Bucky have his bionic arm in this film or not?

[Quasimod0]

Yes. For sure

[Webfoot Hero]

I think he'll have it, although I easily see them go without it.

[Majik1387]

I'd rather he not start out with it.

[cherokeesam]

Why wouldn't he have it? He's a specially engineered top assassin, and the cybernetics count as "superpowers." Without that, he's just a really good crack shot. (And crack pot.)

[JB-the-Hunter]

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[bert19]

Should Bucky have his bionic arm in this film or not?

Yes.

[BullMcGiveny]

I can see them not using it.

Supposedly, Zola gave him super-serum while in captivity, so he might have eventually developed superpowers.

[Hypestyle]

why not.. but if not, it won't be a huge disappointment.. maintain the core characteristics and brainwashed nature of bucky..

[er101]

Why would they take away the bionic arm? It would seem to be change for the sake of change.

[The Infernal]

I don't see why they shouldn't.

[marcvader]

Of course he should. This is a cbm after all.

[kaijunexus]

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Captain-America-2-The-Winter-Soldier.jpg

Just thought I'd throw in a badass pic of WS. lol

[T"Challa]

He totally should. Its a big part of the character

[marcvader]

The question should be domino mask or no domino mask.

[Majik1387]

Yes to domino mask. :up:

And a real one, not a stupid goggle thing.

[cherokeesam]

Yes to domino mask. :up:

And a real one, not a stupid goggle thing.

Yeah, but why?
I like masks in the comic books, but the MCU has made it abundantly clear that no one (so far) is operating under a secret identity. Cap did in WWII, but his identity is known after the Avengers.

Unless you're using an alias and superheroing (or supervillaining) on the down-low, then masks are just a pointless obstacle.

[Majik1387]

Yeah, but why?
I like masks in the comic books, but the MCU has made it abundantly clear that no one (so far) is operating under a secret identity. Cap did in WWII, but his identity is known after the Avengers.
Only known to Shield and the Army, not the general public.

[Webfoot Hero]

The question should be domino mask or no domino mask.
I say no mask since doesn't really make sense with him being a covert agent.

[spideymouse]

The question should be domino mask or no domino mask.Whatever it is, I do think his face/eyes need to be covered in some way so that Cap (as well as the audience members who are unfamiliar with the story) won't know right away that it's Bucky. It's the horrific realization of what happened to Bucky that is really dramatic.

Oh, and yes to the BIONIC AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!

[marcvader]

Should his arm make the sound that the Six Million Dollar Man used to make?

[Rowsdower!]

Should his arm make the sound that the Six Million Dollar Man used to make?

:hehe:

[Eddie Dean]

Only if he has an eye-patch.

[LuisTX85]

Double yes to the arm&mask!

[JerseyJoker]

I love the bionic arm, but I WOULDN'T be against maybe just a metal attachment to his arm to give him enhancements or something to that degree, if they didn't want to go full on bionic.

[scifiwolf]

I posed this question in the news thread, but never got anything going. I'll ask it again here, since this is a more focused topic.

Would you guys want to see the Extremis nanotech tied into Bucky's arm? I think it would provide a great link between the films that's not necessarily only there to set up another team-up scenario.

[catintheengine]

It would be an interesting tie-in, but I do wonder how they could establish that connection.

I.E. Who got the nanotech and used it on Bucky? How did they do it?

[scifiwolf]

Yeah, I dunno about that. My supposition would be through Mandarin or other black market means. It seams as if there's going to be some corporate (or more nefarious) style theft in IM3, so it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility to throw it Bucky's way. I just like having things to tie these movies together, and I really don't want those elements to be there only to set up plot points for Avengers. They can be there just to connect the dots for fun's sake.

[cherokeesam]

It would be an interesting tie-in, but I do wonder how they could establish that connection.

I.E. Who got the nanotech and used it on Bucky? How did they do it?

Exactly.

All indications are that Winter Soldier is going to be a product of HYDRA, and that Zola is the one who recovered his body and brainwashed him and engineered and trained him. The cybernetic arm for WS was probably developed by Zola (or his successors) long before Killian develops the Extremis tech in the 21st century.

[TheVileOne]

He should have the bionic arm. It's a major trademark and part of the look for the character and can become an interesting story device as well.

[herolee10]

Came across this fan-art; pretty bad ass


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4iqejpqNg1qhpfe6o1_500.jpg

[CConn]

The arm isn't the only bionic appendage on Bucky. ;)

[Majik1387]

:dry:

[CConn]

:mag

[Majik1387]

Not much of an upgrade if a magnifying glass is needed. :csad:

[CConn]

:D

Get a bigger avatar, you freak. :o

[Majik1387]

I would, but unlike certain users, I can't excess the avatar size limit and I really like this .gif in full. :csad:

[cherokeesam]

Came across this fan-art; pretty bad ass


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4iqejpqNg1qhpfe6o1_500.jpg

Looks like the artist did a little time-traveling there, back to 1993 or so.

The role of Captain America will be played by Kevin Costner, and the role of Bucky/Winter Soldier will be played by Sam Neill. Allegedly. :yay:

[psylockolussus]

Yes! of course!

[Destructus86]

The mask really wouldn't make sense

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I say yes to the bionic arm.

[Lady Marion]

Should Bucky have his bionic arm in this film or not?

Yes!

[marcvader]

Bionic middle finger.

[BizarroAids]

Yes to the bionic arm.

I'd like to see a mask on him for at least the first encounter with Steve or however they first hear about WS, then give the reveal.

[BullMcGiveny]

I say no to bionic arc tied into extremis, I say no to the bionic arm being a prototype stolen from Howard Stark.

Just let the boy's arms be his damn arm.

[storyteller]

He should have the bionic arm because Winter Soldier needs to seem more detached from humanity. He needs to have a mask, because it's about sending a message. This russian angel of death could be right behind but you'd never know. Also I don't want anyone going "Hey it's Bucky". Now we can make the domino mask a tad bit more practical and larger. But he need's a mask. Covert assassin should blend in but also needs to not have his face all over the news when he's seen.

[cherokeesam]

He should have the bionic arm because Winter Soldier needs to seem more detached from humanity. He needs to have a mask, because it's about sending a message. This russian angel of death could be right behind but you'd never know. Also I don't want anyone going "Hey it's Bucky". Now we can make the domino mask a tad bit more practical and larger. But he need's a mask. Covert assassin should blend in but also needs to not have his face all over the news when he's seen.

I think the domino mask looks cool and all, too, but someone wearing a domino mask would *hardly* "blend in." "WTF is up with the dude in that mask....? Is it Halloween already....?"

[marcvader]

He should have the bionic arm because Winter Soldier needs to seem more detached from humanity. He needs to have a mask, because it's about sending a message. This russian angel of death could be right behind but you'd never know. Also I don't want anyone going "Hey it's Bucky". Now we can make the domino mask a tad bit more practical and larger. But he need's a mask. Covert assassin should blend in but also needs to not have his face all over the news when he's seen.
This made me chuckle.

[the great thor]

He should have the bionic arm for sure. If capt and bucky throw down and we know they will, well soldier with a bionic arm fighting capt is much better than soldier vs a super soldier.

[DrCosmic]

A domino mask doesn't hide your identity in real life, you kinda have to give Cap that sort of Lois Lane stupidity for his best friend with a domino mask. Now if you give him a full mask/goggly combination, then I could see some changes there, otherwise it should be like the GL film: "I'm not going to not recognize you just because you hide your cheekbones."

But the Bionic arm should DEFINITELY be there. Did I say definitely? DEFINITELY. It's what puts him on par with Cap. Let him do cool stuff like catch the SHIELD "Been a long time since I used this" punch through walls and throw cap a few dozen yards. I'd also prefer seeing it as more of a robotic arm (not being shaped like a biological arm), to add to the realism, but I doubt any Bucky fans would agree.

Regardless, it could be tied to Hyrda's tech they had in WWII, or to the Chitauri tech that fell from the sky. Either is an improvement to using Stark's nanotech to make an arm that doesn't have nanotech properties.

[Steve Holt]

i say no to domino mask.
i think splinter cell/metal gear solid googles should be the way to go. In the context of the scene the goggles get damaged or there's a flash/flashbang and Bucky take them off.
Cap - "Bucky?"
WS - "Who the hell is Bucky?"

[SingItWithMeNow]

Long hair!!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0fy892EMgP8/T3r6BNQ7Y9I/AAAAAAAABfQ/FL4DJtt4RBk/s1600/Sebastian+Stan+as+Jefferson+The+Mad+Hatter+in+Once +Upon+A+Time+OUAT+S01E17+2.png

[The Epic Beyond]

There's no reason not to have a robotic arm. Iron Man has a full suit of armor. One robotic body part isn't that out there. My only thought would be to make a though different than the comics, where it looks like he borrowed it from colossus or cable. Winter Solder should look a little more mechanical and less technorganic

[Shazam]

He totally should. Its a big part of the character

I agreed.

That's like Cap with no STAR on his chest.

[spideymouse]

I agreed.

That's like Cap with no STAR on his chest.Granted, Cap has had his star on his chest for over 70 years--so it has reached iconic status. WS has been around for less than 10 years, so the bionic arm isn't as important as Cap's star. Still, it would be awesome.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Yes to bionic arm. He lost it falling off that train.

However, they should be careful with how they do the cyborg Coldblood in IM3 to be sure he's completely different than Winter Soldier. I'd prefer no one have to end up comparing the two.

[DrCosmic]

Just re-watched it, he appears to have both arms attached, but having the arm severed (or vaporized) would have been a nice touch. Bionic arm either way, some line about frostbite or whatever.

[Changeling]

A million times yes, we need the long hair and the bionic arm. The domino mask would be cool, but he didnt wear it as Bucky why would he need it as Winter Soldier?

[Changeling]

Yes to bionic arm. He lost it falling off that train.

However, they should be careful with how they do the cyborg Coldblood in IM3 to be sure he's completely different than Winter Soldier. I'd prefer no one have to end up comparing the two.

Youre full of awesome ideas dude.

What about when he fell off that train he was able to grab something on the way of falling but the force of the fall ****ed up his arm? Does that make sense? I did a bad job of explaining that

[Steve Holt]

or a slab of sharp ice tore it clean off when he landed

[Compi716]

Cap - "Bucky?"
WS - "Who the hell is Bucky?"
This right here is the most important quote from the entire Winter Soldier storyline. It really nails exactly what's transpired, and just how completely brainwashed Bucky is. I hope they keep it in the movie.

As for the bionic arm, it's tricky. One one hand, it's basically THE staple of the character, red star and all. On the other, is pretty "out there" by conventional movie standards, especially considering how it looks (ribbed silver). I mean, how do you make that work realistically without changing it to something more "RoboCop-y?"

Regardless, I have faith that they'll nail his look, as Marvel always has with its characters. Hopefully the script follows suite.

[jaqua99]

to put it simply, yes, because it's an iconic part of his physical character, there is nothing else to it, nothing to think deeply, and consider things. Its a part of his character, they need to do it. Period

[Ultra Nolanite]

This right here is the most important quote from the entire Winter Soldier storyline. It really nails exactly what's transpired, and just how completely brainwashed Bucky is. I hope they keep it in the movie.

As for the bionic arm, it's tricky. One one hand, it's basically THE staple of the character, red star and all. On the other, is pretty "out there" by conventional movie standards, especially considering how it looks (ribbed silver). I mean, how do you make that work realistically without changing it to something more "RoboCop-y?"

Regardless, I have faith that they'll nail his look, as Marvel always has with its characters. Hopefully the script follows suite.

Make it like the destroyer from Thor, Or just Iron Man-ish if that's still too out there I suppose.

[BullMcGiveny]

There's no end of ways they can do it. It's an arm and its a machine. That is all.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma3ha3pCEf1rrwrmho10_500.gif

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yes to the bionic arm.

and this thread needs a poll.

[jaqua99]

literally, why wouldnt they do the bionic arm

[marcvader]

I guess people forget this will be set in the MCU. Who know?

[MarvelKnight]

I think the mask would work. He is pretty much going to be a villain in this film, so it will add a bit of mystery (to those in the movie and people who don't know who WS is). I'm sure by the end of the film the mask will be off and the 'big reveal' of it being Bucky will be a "shock" to the characters and movie-goers.

Even if he is in a future movie I think should keep it as whatever he does would probably be top secret and a mystery to the public(whether its for good or he gets away and does his own thing). That would give reason to keep the mask as to not being identified.

I would like to see the Bionic Arm but I won't be surprised if they don't use it. Maybe his arm gets damaged in this movie if SHIELD actually captures him they fix him up with the robo-arm.

[MarvelKnight]

There's no end of ways they can do it. It's an arm and its a machine. That is all.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma3ha3pCEf1rrwrmho10_500.gif
I like that. What's it from, Cant tell.

[cherokeesam]

I think the mask would work. He is pretty much going to be a villain in this film, so it will add a bit of mystery (to those in the movie and people who don't know who WS is). I'm sure by the end of the film the mask will be off and the 'big reveal' of it being Bucky will be a "shock" to the characters and movie-goers.

Even if he is in a future movie I think should keep it as whatever he does would probably be top secret and a mystery to the public(whether its for good or he gets away and does his own thing). That would give reason to keep the mask as to not being identified.

I would like to see the Bionic Arm but I won't be surprised if they don't use it. Maybe his arm gets damaged in this movie if SHIELD actually captures him they fix him up with the robo-arm.

Finding out that Winter Soldier is actually Bucky would be a "shock" to exactly no one in the audience. His name is already in the title, and every geek or wannabe geek in the theater will have told everyone within listening distance that Bucky is the Winter Soldier. It'll only be a surprise to Cap and the rest of the characters.

[The Question]

I think the domino mask works. Winter Soldier is a complete weirdo, after all. He's been systematically brainwashed for 70 years after receiving a massive head injury. It'd be weird if eccentricity didn't come included. It even makes sense in the context of the story. Captain America is known to history as the world's first super hero. It would stand to reason that Bucky is remembered in history as his side kick, and the mask would be his demented way of mocking the concept.

[Banshee]

Can totally see them going a mix of a heavily damaged arm with robotic components woven in to fix it. It will look robotic with a bit of organic mixed in, but don't expect it to be the strips of metal that are marvel staple for cybernetic limbs ; see cable, forge, etc. cue 90% of this board having a temper tantrum until the film comes out, then they realize it works just fine.

[Dark Raven]

This right here is the most important quote from the entire Winter Soldier storyline. It really nails exactly what's transpired, and just how completely brainwashed Bucky is. I hope they keep it in the movie.

As for the bionic arm, it's tricky. One one hand, it's basically THE staple of the character, red star and all. On the other, is pretty "out there" by conventional movie standards, especially considering how it looks (ribbed silver). I mean, how do you make that work realistically without changing it to something more "RoboCop-y?"

Regardless, I have faith that they'll nail his look, as Marvel always has with its characters. Hopefully the script follows suite.

A bionic arm worked fine in I, Robot where Will Smith only reveals halfway through the movie that he actually has a bionic arm (and that's the reason why he hates robots as well).

I think it wouldn't seem too hokey at all in this movie. Why should it, when the whole genre is about people with super powers?

As for the domino mask, I think he needs something at least to prevent Cap from instantly recognising him at first.

[TheHeatKitchen]

I think the mask would work. He is pretty much going to be a villain in this film, so it will add a bit of mystery (to those in the movie and people who don't know who WS is). I'm sure by the end of the film the mask will be off and the 'big reveal' of it being Bucky will be a "shock" to the characters and movie-goers.

Even if he is in a future movie I think should keep it as whatever he does would probably be top secret and a mystery to the public(whether its for good or he gets away and does his own thing). That would give reason to keep the mask as to not being identified.

I would like to see the Bionic Arm but I won't be surprised if they don't use it. Maybe his arm gets damaged in this movie if SHIELD actually captures him they fix him up with the robo-arm.

I would go a two shock system. No bionic arm at first. He battles Cap, Cap uses the shield, beats him down with it and ends up removing his arm. He unmasks him, revealing he's Bucky. Crossbones or whoever attacks, retrieves WS, takes him back to HYDRAs base or whatever. Steve is distraught, emotional, etc. They meet and fight again, WS is nonstop attacking him, reveals the bionic arm (think the fight in the tunnel from I, Robot).

You get the emotional "surprise" early, and the action surprise late.

[Dark Raven]

I would go a two shock system. No bionic arm at first. He battles Cap, Cap uses the shield, beats him down with it and ends up removing his arm. He unmasks him, revealing he's Bucky. Crossbones or whoever attacks, retrieves WS, takes him back to HYDRAs base or whatever. Steve is distraught, emotional, etc. They meet and fight again, WS is nonstop attacking him, reveals the bionic arm (think the fight in the tunnel from I, Robot).

You get the emotional "surprise" early, and the action surprise late.

I think you should get the action surprise first when Cap is battling WS. That will make him less likely to think it's Bucky. Then, when he does unmask him, the horror of the situation will hit him when he realises what they've done to Bucky. If nothing has been done in terms of mutilation and arm replacement, then it's not as big a horror to Cap.

[BullMcGiveny]

Domino masks are stupid. Balaclava or nothing.

I hope they ditch the '90s hair, too.

[Dark Raven]

If WS is a covert operative, then he can really dress however he likes, to get the mission done. So perhaps Cap first encounters him while WS is dressed up in a halloween outfit (perhaps he's going to a fancy dress party to assassinate someone and needs to blend in) and hence he could wear the domino mask, long hair and exact comic costume. Because everyone is dressed up, that can add to why Cap can't instantly recognise him.

[Mako]

Bionic Arm?? Hell Yes :up:

[TheHeatKitchen]

I think you should get the action surprise first when Cap is battling WS. That will make him less likely to think it's Bucky. Then, when he does unmask him, the horror of the situation will hit him when he realises what they've done to Bucky. If nothing has been done in terms of mutilation and arm replacement, then it's not as big a horror to Cap.

Yeah, I can understand that. My only concern comes with the people that already know he's Bucky. You'd be relying on the emotional surprise to be big, but would only surprise half of the crowd.

just a small concern.

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, I can understand that. My only concern comes with the people that already know he's Bucky. You'd be relying on the emotional surprise to be big, but would only surprise half of the crowd.

just a small concern.

That's the case with any literary twists or shocks which are translated into film - eg Gwen Stacy dying (every comic fan will see that coming) or even Vesper betraying Bond in Casino Royale. I don't think it takes away from the enjoyment in the end though.

[TheHeatKitchen]

That's the case with any literary twists or shocks which are translated into film - eg Gwen Stacy dying (every comic fan will see that coming) or even Vesper betraying Bond in Casino Royale. I don't think it takes away from the enjoyment in the end though.

I can't argue with that. Just some ideas. Either way could work. I personally like the idea of Cap knowing its Bucky the second time around, trying to plead with him but not being able to break through the brainwashing.

don't you just love how two people can have a civilized debate without resorting to name calling?

[BullMcGiveny]

I like the idea of showing that Bucky is the Winter Soldier from the get go. No surprise. Just the tension of anticipating Steve's reaction when he realizes his enemy is his long fallen friend.

[herolee10]

There's definitely a lot of material that they could explore with the fact that Bucky is the Winter Soldier. They go go from themes/topics:

1. Steve is no longer alone any more in terms of being the only person from his time who's still in his prime and currently alive.

2. While Steve was slumbering within the ice, Bucky was leading a life where he was being manipulated into being the ultimate weapon for whoever was pulling his strings; how Steve and Bucky's paths in life took such a big and different turn from each other.

[Hunter Rider]

to put it simply, yes, because it's an iconic part of his physical character, there is nothing else to it, nothing to think deeply, and consider things. Its a part of his character, they need to do it. Period

This sums my views up perfectly, I don't want to see him watered down visually.

I posed this question in the news thread, but never got anything going. I'll ask it again here, since this is a more focused topic.

Would you guys want to see the Extremis nanotech tied into Bucky's arm? I think it would provide a great link between the films that's not necessarily only there to set up another team-up scenario.

It needn't be linked to Extremis as the timeline doesn't really fit unless we see him actually get the arm during the course of the movie. However it could be linked back to work done years ago by Howard Stark.

i say no to domino mask.
i think splinter cell/metal gear solid googles should be the way to go. In the context of the scene the goggles get damaged or there's a flash/flashbang and Bucky take them off.
Cap - "Bucky?"
WS - "Who the hell is Bucky?"

Agreed!

[Hypestyle]

I wonder will there be a passing reference to the tech-arm costing $6 million (circa 1945)... heh..

[TheWatcher]

He HAS to have the arm at some point.

It's his trademark, like Cap's shield.

[Destructus86]

Bionic Arm is a big yes and I could see Marvel doing it....now if this was a Nolan film we would NEVER get anything like that. Just saying...

[GothamInAshes]

He HAS to have the arm at some point.

It's his trademark, like Cap's shield.
hmm...im a little of both yes and no on this question. yes because youre right, the arm with the red star on it is the Winter Soldier's trademark. however, i dont think they'd use the Soviets being behind the creation of the Winter Soldier like it is in the comics. they barely mentioned Nazis in Captain America: the First Avenger, so i seriously doubt they'll mention the Soviets. i think that the Red Skull will come back (cuz we all know he isnt dead :sus) and Hydra will be behind it all.

and im saying no because the way it seemed when Bucky fell in The First Avenger, he couldnt have had the entire arm torn off like that. to counter that, i'd say that perhaps on his fall into the water, Bucky's arm was crushed so bad (like that one movie...cant remember its title, but it had James Franco in it :huh:) that it had to be amputated. just a thought.

[BullMcGiveny]

hmm...im a little of both yes and no on this question. yes because youre right, the arm with the red star on it is the Winter Soldier's trademark. however, i dont think they'd use the Soviets being behind the creation of the Winter Soldier like it is in the comics. they barely mentioned Nazis in Captain America: the First Avenger, so i seriously doubt they'll mention the Soviets. i think that the Red Skull will come back (cuz we all know he isnt dead :sus) and Hydra will be behind it all.

and im saying no because the way it seemed when Bucky fell in The First Avenger, he couldnt have had the entire arm torn off like that. to counter that, i'd say that perhaps on his fall into the water, Bucky's arm was crushed so bad (like that one movie...cant remember its title, but it had James Franco in it :huh:) that it had to be amputated. just a thought.
Nazis have a huge stigma attached to them. They're regarded as the most evil people in history.

The Soviets don't, and they aren't.

Besides, HYDRA DID have Nazi origins.

Similarly, Winter Soldier had past ties to the USSR, but at present is working for a businessman who happened to have once been a KGB officer.

[GothamInAshes]

Nazis have a huge stigma attached to them. They're regarded as the most evil people in history.

The Soviets don't, and they aren't.

Besides, HYDRA DID have Nazi origins.

Similarly, Winter Soldier had past ties to the USSR, but at present is working for a businessman who happened to have once been a KGB officer.
yeah i forgot about Lukin...:doh:

[bert19]

The arm must be an important feature if only to make him more physically dangerous in combat.
I mean, not to put a downer on Bucky's skill set, but without that arm and it's power, could you see Bucky matching Cap in unarmed combat? Don't think I can.

[GothamInAshes]

The arm must be an important feature if only to make him more physically dangerous in combat.
I mean, not to put a downer on Bucky's skill set, but without that arm and it's power, could you see Bucky matching Cap in unarmed combat? Don't think I can.
that brings up a good point too. that said, i am leaning more towards yes on "should Bucky have a bionic arm or not?".

have they confirmed that Sebastian Stan will return for The Winter Soldier?

[BullMcGiveny]

A couple of days after the title was announced, it was announced that he would reprise the role.

[GothamInAshes]

A couple of days after the title was announced, it was announced that he would reprise the role.
cool thanks for that! :yay: i wonder how he'd look with long hair??

im super excited for this film!!

[jaqua99]

if he even has long hair

[Brian Braddock]

Bionic all the way. In fact, I dont see a reason why not to have the arm. Marvel Studios have shown that they are more than willing to have some of the more fantastical elements from the source material translated to screen when other people working for other studios (Nolan, I'm looking at you) dismiss them.

[Ash Talon]

Yes to the bionic arm. Or they could make it some kind of armor like Thor's or more like an exoskeleton/frame that enhances his normal (or atrophied) arm.

Regarding the mask, I don't think he needs a domino mask. I can see him wearing a full mask, balaclava, or a mask that has the hair exposed while on a mission. Maybe while tangling with Cap for the first time, the mask is damaged a bit which exposes part of Bucky's face.

I like the idea of having a sequence (mission or chase) that goes through a masquerade party. WS could grab a mask off someone to help hide his identity so he can escape. It would be a nice wink to fans without alienating new viewers with the cheesiness of a domino mask.

[Hawkingbird]

if he even has long hair
I want it long when he's a brainwashed villain, not when he goes back to sanity.

[Guerrilla]

For WS mask...something like the circled image on the right could work. Though, its a bit too similar to catwoman's gear. I do dig the Balaclava idea.
http://i.imgur.com/XWwrm.jpg

[Majik1387]

I'd rather he not be given the Nolan Catwoman treatment.

[Guerrilla]

I'd rather he not be given the Nolan Catwoman treatment.
I hear ya, and agree. Just hunting down possible alternatives to the domino mask thing.

[Majik1387]

No reason to, it would look fine.

[jaqua99]

I want it long when he's a brainwashed villain, not when he goes back to sanity.

agreed

No reason to, it would look fine.

You know what, maybe the domino mask would be okay, I mean, maybe if it came down to part of his nose. With long hair, he may not be really recognizable

[MarvelKnight]

The bionic arm would be amazing to see. I'm rooting for it, but I think we'll get the mask before the bio-arm. imo

[jaqua99]

^no way, I'll be SHOCKED if we don't get the arm

(my cousin vinnie sig...love that movie lol)

[Hawkingbird]

I think we will get the bionic arm. I don't see why not.

[MarvelKnight]

^no way, I'll be SHOCKED if we don't get the arm

(my cousin vinnie sig...love that movie lol)

I would be too, i just have a feeling we won't, don't ask me why.

And yes, one of my favorite comedies ever. Pesci defending Yutes. Can't beat it.

[chamber-music]

Denzel Washington and Will Smiths Bionic arms were good in Virtuosity and I Robot.

[Kreative T]

Bionic Arm! It will make him different and interesting. It will make it better and it shows a big difference between the Winter Soldier and Captain America and just two Super Soldiers running around.

[Mr. Dent]

I think we'll get some variation on it but not the arm itself.

[storyteller]

The bionic arm shows how he's been physically changed into a killer. It's symbolic of what's been taken from him.

[ThePowerCosmic]

I think we'll definitely be getting the bionic arm.

[cph9fa]

If he has a bionic arm, and he's controlled by Russians, perhaps it was built by one of the Vanko's?

[Ultra Nolanite]

Riddle me this !

"What do you call a Winter Soldier without a bionic arm...???"

"Give up...?"



"A guy"

[CosmicCap]

Riddle me this !

"What do you call a Winter Soldier without a bionic arm...???"

"Give up...?"



"A guy"

I think this thread is over now.

[cph9fa]

Riddle me this !

"What do you call a Winter Soldier without a bionic arm...???"

"Give up...?"



"A guy"

I knew a guy with a bionic arm named Smith. So I asked him what was the name of his other arm. :rimshot:

[ThePowerCosmic]

So, this is official Marvel phase 2 artwork for TWS. I think we can stop the speculating on whether or not the arm will be included. Should've been expected, anyway.

http://i.imgur.com/UbvdkVt.png

[cherokeesam]

So, this is official Marvel phase 2 artwork for TWS. I think we can stop the speculating on whether or not the arm will be included. Should've been expected, anyway.

http://i.imgur.com/UbvdkVt.png

Apparently two or three people in this thread will be very shocked/disappointed by this picture. :oldrazz:

[Mr. Dent]

Don't know how they're going to make the bionic arm look that smooth in the movie.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Don't understand that. All they have to do is get it to look exactly like that in the movie and there will be no problem. Don't see how it looking "smooth" will make that an issue.

[Moridin]

Don't know how they're going to make the bionic arm look that smooth in the movie.

Probably a similar way they do Thor's scale sleeves.

[PyroChamber]

Is it me or does it look like WS is wearing a mask covering the lower part of his face.

[James_Smith]

Don't know how they're going to make the bionic arm look that smooth in the movie.

CGI probably.

[Mr. Dent]

Don't understand that. All they have to do is get it to look exactly like that in the movie and there will be no problem. Don't see how it looking "smooth" will make that an issue.
I know that's all they have to do lol, I'm just saying I don't know how they would accomplish it because I've never seen metal layers like that look that smooth on each other on screen before. Although I just went back an looked at Destroyer and it comes close.

Probably a similar way they do Thor's scale sleeves.
Hmm, yeah. Looking at Destroyer, they could do it like that too.

CGI probably.
I'd think they'd want to make it practical. Although I suppose some action scenes would have to be in CGI for it to have impact.

Is it me or does it look like WS is wearing a mask covering the lower part of his face.
Yes, he does. It's their substitue for the domino eye mask.

[Guerrilla]

Yay! Bionic arm!!! Can't wait to see more!

[Hunter Rider]

Nice to see confirmation of the bionic arm! :D

[Yellow Cyclone]

Is it me or does it look like WS is wearing a mask covering the lower part of his face.

looks like a lower/half balaclava

http://i.imgur.com/p8rzeBq.jpg

[Destructus86]

It looks great!!!!! I love Marvel Studios.

[Mr. Dent]

looks like a lower/half balaclava

http://i.imgur.com/p8rzeBq.jpg
Crossbones?

[ThePowerCosmic]

I know that's all they have to do lol, I'm just saying I don't know how they would accomplish it because I've never seen metal layers like that look that smooth on each other on screen before. Although I just went back an looked at Destroyer and it comes close.


Hmm, yeah. Looking at Destroyer, they could do it like that too.




Yeah, Destroyer's design is perfect for Winter Soldier's bionic arm.

[Mr. Dent]

looks like a lower/half balaclava

http://i.imgur.com/p8rzeBq.jpg
Quoting this because the new concept art shows his mask design is exactly this.

http://i.imgur.com/O2cGi5Il.jpg

[BullMcGiveny]

Yeah, Destroyer's design is perfect for Winter Soldier's bionic arm.

Except for the spikes, certainly?

[Mr. Dent]

Naw the spikes would make him more legit. :oldrazz:

[jaqua99]

Naw the spikes would make him more legit. :oldrazz:

"Bucky The Destroyer"

[Webfoot Hero]

Neat concept for keeping WS/Bucky's identity concealed. It'll be interesting to see what the end product looks like on-screen.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Except for the spikes, certainly?


Certainly.

[Raiden]

Taking away WS's bionic arm would've been the same as taking away Cap's shield, so I'm glad to see that they're keeping the arm. Besides, considering the things that Stark can do with all his Mark armors, a bionic arm seems rather tame by comparison.

[cherokeesam]

Yikes...with the goggles *and* the mask, WS is wayyyy too New Goblin-y. Maybe they can add that skull-face to the balaclava or do something about the goggles to make it look different from Franco....

[kedrell]

But Franco's GG2 literally only had that mask on for about 5 seconds of screen time. I don't think it'll be an issue.

[Mr. Dent]

I reaaaaly don't understand all this New Goblin comparison stuff. Balaclava's are standard military uniform in the Russian OMON.

[Webfoot Hero]

I reaaaaly don't understand all this New Goblin comparison stuff. Balaclava's are standard military uniform in the Russian OMON.
When I first saw it, that's what I was thinking.

[DJ Kornphlake]

I reaaaaly don't understand all this New Goblin comparison stuff. Balaclava's are standard military uniform in the Russian OMON.
You have to admit there is a resemblance:

http://i.imgur.com/wiUHZGP.jpg

[Mr. Dent]

Yes...that's because New Goblin is using a Balaclava mask. It's completely unrelated.

[DJ Kornphlake]

I said resemblance, not exact match. His lower face is covered and he has goggles.

[Mr. Dent]

Yes, a Balaclava.

[Tvar10]

I'm really not liking the half mask thing. Winter Soldier is one if my favorites and I don't see him when I look at that second picture

[Mr. Dent]

It will be fine once you see him with the jacket and goggles off.

[T"Challa]

reminds me of Smoke from Mortal Kombat

http://www.freecodesource.com/wallpaper/mortalkombatsmoke-828185.jpeg

[Tvar10]

I wonder why they make changes like that. I didn't see anything wrong with the way he is in the comics. Hopefully they'll get his character right at least

[BoredGuy]

I'm sure he just wears this for the beginning of the film

it's to keep his ID hidden from Steve, the world at large, and- provided they dont spoil it- the general audience who doesn't yet know Winter Soldier is Bucky

[JB-the-Hunter]

I wonder why they make changes like that. I didn't see anything wrong with the way he is in the comics. Hopefully they'll get his character right at least
It's just concept art people.

[MLSkinner]

I'm sure he just wears this for the beginning of the film

it's to keep his ID hidden from Steve, the world at large, and- provided they dont spoil it- the general audience who doesn't yet know Winter Soldier is Bucky

I think he wears it in the beginning and once he takes it off, the part around his eyes stays which is what it's like in the comics.

[Mr. Dent]

I wonder why they make changes like that. I didn't see anything wrong with the way he is in the comics. Hopefully they'll get his character right at least
Because a domino mask looks silly on screen and doesn't hide anything. The Balaclava is consistent with Winter Soldier being a russian secret operative and actually hides his identity.

[cherokeesam]

Because a domino mask looks silly on screen and doesn't hide anything. The Balaclava is consistent with Winter Soldier being a russian secret operative and actually hides his identity.

A Russian black ops would also wear a toboggan or helmet of some kind; not let their long shiny mane fly wild and free like frickin' Spetsnaz Fabio. Sorry, but the concept art in its present form looks totally, well, non-heterosexual, and the colors are far too reminiscent of the godawful New Goblin.

Hopefully, they'll give his balaclava and goggles a non-greenish color, and do something to wrap that hair up when he's on a mission.

[T"Challa]

I actually really like the design and IDGAF about a likeness to the new goblin.

Am i taking crazy pills?..lol

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yes, yes you are.

[InternetPeople]

WS shouldn't use the balaclava because Goblin did and no movie should ever go to another planet because John Carter did it. Once something has been done once, badly, no other movie should ever get to do it again because audiences have long memories and will remember obscure details about ****** characters from bad movies.

[Mr. Dent]

A Russian black ops would also wear a toboggan or helmet of some kind; not let their long shiny mane fly wild and free like frickin' Spetsnaz Fabio. Sorry, but the concept art in its present form looks totally, well, non-heterosexual, and the colors are far too reminiscent of the godawful New Goblin.

Hopefully, they'll give his balaclava and goggles a non-greenish color, and do something to wrap that hair up when he's on a mission.
I don't see the green in it. It looks all black to me.

As for the hair...well it has to maintain some comic book-yness to it lol. I think putting a helmet on his head would be crossing a line...this Balaclava isn't.

I actually really like the design and IDGAF about a likeness to the new goblin.

Am i taking crazy pills?..lol
Nope.

[T"Challa]

Yes, yes you are.

Why is the mask a bad idea? If the sole reason is because it reminds you of Franco, that just wont cut it. I think it looks good and it makes complete sense considering WS's identity will be kept secret for a while.

I would hate for them to use just a domino mask and go the Green Lantern or Superman route where the supporting characters pretend to be blind or are just too ****ing stupid to recognize the heroes. Cap and Bucky have been friends forever. Some long hair and a domino mask isn't going to fool him. Majority of Bucky's face needs to be covered, and if you have a better idea as to go about doing that, i'm all ears.

[ThePowerCosmic]

Why is the mask a bad idea? If the sole reason is because it reminds you of Franco, that just wont cut it. I think it looks good and it makes complete sense considering WS's identity will be kept secret for a while.

I would hate for them to use just a domino mask and go the Green Lantern or Superman route where the supporting characters pretend to be blind or are just too ****ing stupid to recognize the heroes. Cap and Bucky have been friends forever. Some long hair and a domino mask isn't going to fool him. Majority of Bucky's face needs to be covered, and if you have a better idea as to go about doing that, i'm all ears.


It does make sense for the story, I'm not disputing that fact. It just reminds me of New Goblin. It's not this movie's fault, it's SM3's fault for putting that s**t on him in the first place, when it didn't fit.

[BullMcGiveny]

I'd be all for a full mask. That it leaves his forhead and hair exposed id distractingly odd.

[cherokeesam]

WS shouldn't use the balaclava because Goblin did and no movie should ever go to another planet because John Carter did it. Once something has been done once, badly, no other movie should ever get to do it again because audiences have long memories and will remember obscure details about ****** characters from bad movies.

Nobody's suggesting WS shouldn't wear a balaclava. What some of us are suggesting is that he shouldn't wear a balaclava that looks exactly like New Goblin.

There are *lots* of ways to wear a balaclava. Most of them make you look like an actual soldier, mercenary, black ops, bank robber, or hired assassin. Wearing it *that* way would make Bucky look like, you know, one or more of the above. Wearing it like New Goblin makes you look like, you know, a bad idea from a bad idea for a Spider-Man sequel.

[Ultra Nolanite]

I don't think it looks exactly like new goblin. WS mask is made of fabric and has separate goggles, while new goblins mask is more of a paintball/Army of Two type plastic mask.

Also new Goblin's facemask is not the thing that hurt Spiderman 3.

And why would you want Bucky to look like an actual soldier/assassin. It's still a comic book movie. I would think we would be glad that they kept some elements from the comics but now I see that we just cannot be pleased.

A dominomask being cheesy and not hiding the face enough. A full mask being not Winter Soldier-y enough. I think this is a nice middleground, Spiderman 3 be damned. I'm sure if I ask my girlfriend what she thought of new goblins mask in Spiderman 3 she'll say: "Who ?" That's how much normal people remember of that movie and New Goblin.

In other words, New Goblin and Spiderman 3 have not made such a mask his signature thing. New Goblin didn't OWN the wearing of such a mask like Bucky potentially could.

Or like...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/welshe/DarknessMain.jpg

...does.

Why you think he did I will probably never know.

[BoredGuy]

A Russian black ops would also wear a toboggan or helmet of some kind; not let their long shiny mane fly wild and free like frickin' Spetsnaz Fabio. Sorry, but the concept art in its present form looks totally, well, non-heterosexual, and the colors are far too reminiscent of the godawful New Goblin.

Hopefully, they'll give his balaclava and goggles a non-greenish color, and do something to wrap that hair up when he's on a mission.

I see the similarity between the two, obviously
But they are not at all exactly the same like you're saying
There's no green at all in WS's mask, and it also has more of a kevlar look to it as opposed to the plastic/carbon fiber nonsense on Franco
and like others have said, I blame SM3 for putting Harry in something completely out of character, i don't blame CA2 for going with something that makes some sense for Bucky

and ya may also wanna watch that "non-hetero" comment, probably the quickest route to an infraction 'round here

[spideymouse]

I like how this thread immediately became a Winter Soldier costume thread once the bionic arm was confirmed.

[ThePowerCosmic]

I like how this thread immediately became a Winter Soldier costume thread once the bionic arm was confirmed.

lol! I forgot he had another thread that wasn't dedicated to the bionic arm. Oh well. :yay:

[3dman27]

i'mlooking forward to thi flick bionic arm or not

[fixxxer]

Huh. Interesting. I'll play...

i'mthinking batroc teh leper wll hav astounding quadricep or not

[Brian Braddock]

Y'know, I've always wondered this ever since the Six Million Dollar man - how would a bionic arm give a person the ability to, say, stop a moving car or punch through a steel door when it's basically still just attached to regular ol' human tissue. At best, wouldn't the arm just kind of rip from the tissue and go flying?

[metaphysician]

Y'know, I've always wondered this ever since the Six Million Dollar man - how would a bionic arm give a person the ability to, say, stop a moving car or punch through a steel door when it's basically still just attached to regular ol' human tissue. At best, wouldn't the arm just kind of rip from the tissue and go flying?

Well, for realistic(?) cybernetics, the solution is to not just have a cybernetic arm. Rather, you reinforce or replace much of the skeleton, too.

As for the movie, bear in mind that Bucky was almost certainly subject to some kind of quasi-supersoldier serum experiment. Wouldn't be shocking if he's physically enhanced even beyond the cyborg arm. . . and I would totally buy that bones and muscles even half as strong as movie Cap's would be fine with any reasonable cyborg arm strength.

[KDM1986]

Bionic arm for the win! Seriously though he needs to have the bionic arm and the mask. It's a comic book movie where we have already established gods, aliens, super soldiers, and advanced technology. I think the audience can handle a bionic arm and a mask.

[jaqua99]

WS shouldn't use the balaclava because Goblin did and no movie should ever go to another planet because John Carter did it. Once something has been done once, badly, no other movie should ever get to do it again because audiences have long memories and will remember obscure details about ****** characters from bad movies.

general audiences aren't going to be like, he's wearing the same mask from spiderman, this is gunna suck.

It's probably not going to even make a damn difference. People will see it because it's part of the MCU. that's all. I can't believe people are making a big deal out of this.

I think it looks ****ing great

[InternetPeople]

I don't think you picked up on the sarcasm there. I forgive you.

[fixxxer]

^ Haha. I think facetiousness and sarcasm have to be explicitly tagged on message boards... no matter how unsubtely they are expressed. :)

But overall, I really like the Winter Soldier's look from the concept art. The balaclava makes so much more sense than the domino mask. Especially since it would make narrative sense for Cap not to know the Winter Soldier's identity till the final act of the movie.

I was completely oblivious to the NuGoblin connection until the reaction on these boards. And I actually watched (the uber disappointing) Spiderman 3 twice. I highly doubt the GA is going to notice... or care in the slightest.

[Iron Legion_042]

Kinda hoping for the whole bionic arm thing, but it really doesn't matter to me if it's there or not...just as long as they get everything else right.

[storyteller]

I think given the concept art, Marvel is taking that damn arm.