Anthony Mackie in talks to play Falcon

[Chewy]

Um, **** yes?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/anthony-mackie-captain-america-sequel-349622

[Duran Man]

Sure, why not?:yay:

[babykhris]

Yes Yes A Million Times Yes!!

Hero UP!!!!

[OptimusPrime114]

He did work with Hawkeye in The Hurt Locker, so he already has experience working alongside an Avenger.

[SuperSAINT]

Also, he will NOT be Black Panther ;)

I like him. Hope he signs onboard.

[Majik1387]

Better as Falcon than Black Panther. :up:

[Blackman]

Hell yes

[BatsDC]

This is good news. The more MCU heroes the merrier!

[Rowsdower!]

Awesome news! Mackie is one of my favorite actors. I hope the deal gets done because he'd be a great Falcon.

[Chewy]

Anthony Mackie is trending on Twitter :awesome:

[TheWatcher]

Fantastic news.

[batman44]

I like this:up:

[4green]

They need to seriously redesign his Earth, Wind and Fire outfit. He never looked cool to me.
:doh:

[bored]

They'll come up with something. I'd bet on him looking more militaristic. Since they already went the Ultimate route of making Widow and Hawkeye SHIELD agents, they can do that with Falcon as well. Have him be an agent Cap befriends, maybe someone volunteering to test out some new flight harness when disaster strikes.

[Chewy]

A SHIELD jumpsuit, but red. With some fancy newfangled technological wings

[TikkiEXX]

in this case i think they should definitely go with the Ultimate version. as far as looks go, though i admit i do think Ultimate Falcon is pretty badass.http://www.blacksuperherofan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Ultimate-Falcon-197x300.jpg

[Majik1387]

I'd alter the design a lot, but I agree they should go more in that direction.

[That Guy]

I approve

[BatsDC]

I'd like something similar to what Hawkeye wears, but coloured red and a light grey/white.

[Joeyjojo72]

I know it's heresy, but I think they should make him augmented somehow: hollow bones, bio-mechanical implants, maybe some knock-off version of the super soldier serum. Something to make him formidable beyond a harness and martial arts training.

Its still good news, regardless. I saw Mackie in Fences. He's a top notch actor in his prime.

This is the kind of casting thats essential for these movies. You need great actors, not pretty faces, in order to maintain suspension of disbelief. A lot of the suggestions for GotG completely miss this point.

[LuisTX85]

Falcon is in?Very cool!,I'm not sure about Anthony Mackie though since I've only seen him in Hurt Locker

[JerseyJoker]

Mackie was great in The Hurt Lcoker, and personally I loved him in 8 Mile.

Great to see Falcon and Cap partnership on screen, one of my favorite duos in comics. I think a mix of his 616/Ult. costume would work, its a bit boring to see just gray on black, i dont mind them giving his outfit a bit of color. If your standing next to the man in red, white, and blue, i think you can make anything work visually.

[Nightwing]

In a way I'm glad they have Mackie in talks because Hodge has been more vocal for the role of BP and is my favorite choice.

I wonder if they'll use his traditional costume of ultimize him the way they did Hawkeye? Maybe a bit from both worlds?

[Juicy J]

Don't know much about the actor or the character.... but for some reason I'm stoked :woot:

[OrangeCloud]

Yay!

I didn't want him to play BP, so this is great news. :'D

[M-2]

Lol Marvel really Know how to get fans excited!! Mackie as Falcon = Perfect!!!

[MessiahDecoy123]

He fits Falcon pretty well.

I hope Falcon is cooler in the movies than he is in comics though. :o

[ThePowerCosmic]

Dammit... I wanted him as T'Challa.

[Majik1387]

Dammit... I wanted him as T'Challa.
We dodged that bullet. :o

[ThePowerCosmic]

You stone cold bastard, you. :cmad:

[Webfoot Hero]

I like Mackie for Falcon a whole lot better than for BP.

[CaptainCanada]

Strong actor, good choice for the part.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Yay for Marvel

[LauraT]

Oh yes, I like him as an actor and I think he fits the part, so it's all good. It seems Marvel are so far continuing their winning streak with actors so far.

[Majik1387]

You stone cold bastard, you. :cmad:
:word:

[Angamb]

are you Cap fans glad about this character on the sequel?

Is he a good part of Cap's history?

[GoldGoblin]

I thought Falcon was the worst character ever on the Avengers roster,why would they pick him?

[Majik1387]

To make him cool and show he's more useful than people think I guess.

[Chewy]

are you Cap fans glad about this character on the sequel?

Is he a good part of Cap's history?
Falcon is awesome and a big part of the Winter Soldier storyline

http://i.imgur.com/PrtRC.jpg

[Superhero 101]

Good casting decision by marvel. But it will be weird seeing a man in bird costume but hey it's marvel I think they'll be able to pull it off

[Webfoot Hero]

Good casting decision by marvel. But it will be weird seeing a man in bird costume but hey it's marvel I think they'll be able to pull it off
I think they'll go more Ultimates than 616-version. In the Ultimate version, he really just straps on a wing harness over regular clothing.

[Suzanne78]

I love Anthony Mackie. LOVE!! Ever since The Hurt Locker... and Adjustment Bureau... he even had a small (but hilarious) part in Chris Evans' What's Your Number. I had him pegged on my short list for BP, but this absolutely works!

Really super excited for Falcon. I wonder if they'll keep his social worker roots.

For the costume, I could see them altering the Ultimates. Lighten up the grey, use red instead of black. For the wings, I keep picturing something similar to what A:EMH used for Fury, building in panels on the sides of his SHIELD uniform to act as gliders. Although, seeing wings like the ones on Ultimate Falcon might be pretty badass. I'm just trying to think of a good explanation for him to have them. Being a recipient of the super soldier serum might be as good as any.

[terry78]

Still interested to see what he could have done with T'Challa, but it's a choice role nonetheless.

[psylockolussus]

He seems like a decent actor. He would be a great partner for Chris Evans' character and I hope Falcon is included in the Avengers 2.

[JerseyJoker]

I thought Falcon was the worst character ever on the Avengers roster,why would they pick him?

People need to stop thinking that every MCU film is connected to The Avengers.

Did War Machine show up in The Avengers? Did the Warriors Three?

No, Falcon should be thought as only as Caps partner and supporting character for THIS film.

[Hurm...]

I wanted Mackie for Luke Cage actually.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I thought Falcon was the worst character ever on the Avengers roster,why would they pick him?

I think Falcon would be a weak Avengers member but as a Captain America side-kick he's a solid character.

[Majik1387]

People need to stop thinking that every MCU film is connected to The Avengers.

Did War Machine show up in The Avengers? Did the Warriors Three?

No, Falcon should be thought as only as Caps partner and supporting character for THIS film.
Co-sign.
I wanted Mackie for Luke Cage actually.
Terry Crews for Luke Cage. :o

[Hypestyle]

hopefully this will happen-- I don't want to see the talks collapse at the 11th hour.. let the ink dry on this deal!

The costume had better be updated and impressive.. probably more based on the Ultimates version than the KFC-colors motif..

[Avenger]

Mackie is a solid choice for Falcon. Marvel continues to attract excellent talent to their pictures.

Power-wise, Falcon is kind of lame, but there's no questioning his importance as Cap's buddy in the present day. I'm sure Marvel have come up with a novel way to reinterpret Falcon's skills for the big screen.

Now let's get some Sharon Carter casting news! :woot:

[MessiahDecoy123]

Whoever does the casting for all these Marvel Studio films deserves a raise.

[cherokeesam]

Falcon is awesome and a big part of the Winter Soldier storyline

http://i.imgur.com/PrtRC.jpg

He's a big part of the CAPTAIN AMERICA storyline, period. Has been, for decades. He's like Steve's Rhodey....and that's probably where some minor grumbling will come in: "Yeah, another black sidekick instead of a full-on superhero. Figures."

But Falcon was a given for the Cap movie, just like Sharon Carter (can't wait to hear the casting for her role....). And Mackie is a GREAT addition to the cast. Plus, I'm willing to bet that Falcon will HERO UP!!! to the Avengers even before War Machine does....even though both belong on the team.

[Avenger]

Whoever does the casting for all these Marvel Studio films deserves a raise.Amen.

[Tony Stark]

I'm really excited about this. I always loved Cap and Falcon as a kid. Those were the books I read, because Bucky was still dead at this point.

CA always had trouble keeping his own title and with the scramble at Marvel over the new issues, there's alot of talk that they will not restart Captain America as the book petered out after the whole death of Steve Rogers, Bucky taking over, etc. story line.

I'm glad to see that the talented folks at Marvel know where to take this franchise. I'm wondering if the beef with Joe Johnson was that they ran into creative differences on the sequel.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I do hope Marvel has the balls to risk making a solo Black Panther movie.

I'd actually prefer a Heroes for Hire movie over a solo Luke Cage movie. But I wouldn't be mad if they did lower-budget Luke Cage and Iron Fist solo movies before doing Heroes for Hire.

[Suzanne78]

I'm really excited about this. I always loved Cap and Falcon as a kid. Those were the books I read, because Bucky was still dead at this point.

CA always had trouble keeping his own title and with the scramble at Marvel over the new issues, there's alot of talk that they will not restart Captain America as the book petered out after the whole death of Steve Rogers, Bucky taking over, etc. story line.

I'm glad to see that the talented folks at Marvel know where to take this franchise. I'm wondering if the beef with Joe Johnson was that they ran into creative differences on the sequel.

What? I didn't know there was any beef with Johnston. I thought that they just wanted him for the origin story and that's that, and they'd go for more of an espionage route for the sequel. Whether the Russos can deliver the goods with that, though, I have no idea...

This sequel's already looking great. Except for the directors, but I'm willing to give them a chance.

[TikkiEXX]

I do hope Marvel has the balls to risk making a solo Black Panther movie.

I'd actually prefer a Heroes for Hire movie over a solo Luke Cage movie. But I wouldn't be mad if they did lower-budget Luke Cage and Iron Fist solo movies before doing Heroes for Hire.
pretty good idea. theyre both mainly street level guys too so you wouldnt need a whole lot of crazy effects. picture the guy that made The Raid making Iron Fist and tell me that wouldnt kick much ass...and on a budget too. lol

[Webfoot Hero]

I'm really excited about this. I always loved Cap and Falcon as a kid. Those were the books I read, because Bucky was still dead at this point.

CA always had trouble keeping his own title and with the scramble at Marvel over the new issues, there's alot of talk that they will not restart Captain America as the book petered out after the whole death of Steve Rogers, Bucky taking over, etc. story line.

I'm glad to see that the talented folks at Marvel know where to take this franchise. I'm wondering if the beef with Joe Johnson was that they ran into creative differences on the sequel.
I remember reading that they're going to restart the Captain America series with John Remender and John Romita Jr. helming it.

[Silvermoth]

Falcon's a wonderful way to modernise Captain America but as previously said, it's past time for a Black Panther movie.

[Suzanne78]

Falcon's a wonderful way to modernise Captain America but as previously said, it's past time for a Black Panther movie.

Really hoping BP will be announced for 2016 after TA2. Then I'm ready for a Captain Marvel movie.

[Casius--J]

Very good news to hear that they are in fact including Falcon and even better that Mackie is in talks to play him. Sounds like great casting to me.

[Drizzle]

Good news to me.

[Stringer]

Awesome choice if he signs on. No complaints whatsoever.

[Lady Marion]

Wait, we get Falcon? I totally missed this. Yay!

[R_Hythlodeus]

Excited! Make this true!

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Falcon punch!

[Dark Raven]

Not bad casting at all. Well I hope we get Redwing as well, and not just Falcon. And if we do get Redwing, I hope like in Superhero Squad, he does bird poo on some of the villains.

[Slushy]

Papa Doc is playing The Falcon? That's really cool. I'm a fan of the character (he's basically Marvel's Koko B. Ware), but I already know his classic costume isn't going to make it on screen. I can see them going with this one though:

http://heroclixin.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/ult-falcon.jpg

[Majik1387]

I don't see it being purely that

[CaptainCanada]

I don't know, given Falcon's power I'd say the more sci-fi-looking hard light wings are the most likely to appear on screen, if they actually bring in the wings in this movie.

[Majik1387]

The wings are definitely coming in.

[Dark Raven]

Falcon without wings is like Iron Man without armour, or Cap without a shield.

[bunk]

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the character to make him visually unique.

[Chewy]

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the character to make him visually unique.
Probably give him wings :oldrazz:

[Majik1387]

And have birds flying in the background. Jon Woo style.

[TikkiEXX]

hmmm. wonder if his wings will be Stark designed? and i expect a mix of his ultimate and 616 costumes. Ultimate costume would be badass with some red in it. wonder if theyre going with the more military minded, gun toting, killer Falcon or the 616 version? again hoping for a mix of both

[metaphysician]

My inclination is to say, "SHIELD tech." No reason every cool gadget has to be made by Stark. Hell, if you take aspects of the Ultimate version, he could be a technical agent who designed the flying harness himself.

[cherokeesam]

My inclination is to say, "SHIELD tech." No reason every cool gadget has to be made by Stark. Hell, if you take aspects of the Ultimate version, he could be a technical agent who designed the flying harness himself.

I agree that Stark doesn't have to design everything in the MCU, but if you make it SHIELD issue, then the question arises: what's so special about Agent Wilson that he gets a special pair of hi-tech wings to flit around in?

Personally, I'd like the wings to be Wakandan in origin.

[Chewy]

Easy, make him a SHIELD equipment tester

[Blackman]

Easy, make him a SHIELD equipment tester

This

[cherokeesam]

Easy, make him a SHIELD equipment tester

But then he has no reason to actually *keep* the wings, beyond the shakedown cruise; and it would be a head-scratcher to try to make an "equipment tester" suddenly become Captain America's new sidekick.

There has to be a legitimate reason for him to get the wings, *and* keep the wings. As well as a legitimate reason for him to become Cap's right-hand man.

[BullMcGiveny]

I agree that Stark doesn't have to design everything in the MCU, but if you make it SHIELD issue, then the question arises: what's so special about Agent Wilson that he gets a special pair of hi-tech wings to flit around in?

Personally, I'd like the wings to be Wakandan in origin.
The wings are a porototype. He's the only one who uses them because he's the only one who has mastered the controls and is crazy enough to use the thing?

[BullMcGiveny]

Or he could've just made them for himself.

[cherokeesam]

The wings are a porototype. He's the only one who uses them because he's the only one who has mastered the controls and is crazy enough to use the thing?

Comes back to "government issue," though.
It's like the difference between War Machine and Iron Man --- the former is taking orders from the military, and has to act accordingly; but Tony has the freedom to do whatever he wants with his own property. That same kind of distance doesn't exist in the comic version of Cap and Snap, who can *both* do their own thing. (And Wilson usually does, independently of whatever Cap is up to.)

[Chewy]

But then he has no reason to actually *keep* the wings, beyond the shakedown cruise; and it would be a head-scratcher to try to make an "equipment tester" suddenly become Captain America's new sidekick.

There has to be a legitimate reason for him to get the wings, *and* keep the wings. As well as a legitimate reason for him to become Cap's right-hand man.
You have him become Cap's friend throughout the course of the film, and he ends up assisting him in whatever third act, "world in peril" scenario he finds himself in. He served his country and did it well, so Fury promotes him to a field agent.

His wings are what he knows, so he keeps them. Sort of like Hawkeye's bow.

It's really not all that hard to justify that kind of stuff.

[Joeyjojo72]

I still say he needs to be augmented. A normal dude with mechanical wings doesnt seem to cut it.

[Dark Raven]

I wonder if Falcon will have actual wings or just painted on like on the side of Cap's helmet? :cwink:

[metaphysician]

I still say he needs to be augmented. A normal dude with mechanical wings doesnt seem to cut it.

Black Widow and Hawkeye didn't need super powers. Neither does Falcon. A highly skilled agent who has a gadget that lets him fly? That's totally useful.

[cherokeesam]

Black Widow and Hawkeye didn't need super powers. Neither does Falcon. A highly skilled agent who has a gadget that lets him fly? That's totally useful.

Plus, he can talk to birds. Always useful in black ops missions. :o

In all srs bsns, I hope they give Falcon some more gadgetry; like maybe specialized goggles for NV, TI, targeting, and the usual Sam Fisher-type HUD. That would give Falcon an excellent reason to wear something resembling his traditional comic-book mask.

[warhorse78]

He did work with Hawkeye in The Hurt Locker, so he already has experience working alongside an Avenger.

That's what I was thinking when I first read this. Yes, I'd love to see him join The Avengers.

[Webfoot Hero]

Plus, he can talk to birds. Always useful in black ops missions. :o

In all srs bsns, I hope they give Falcon some more gadgetry; like maybe specialized goggles for NV, TI, targeting, and the usual Sam Fisher-type HUD. That would give Falcon an excellent reason to wear something resembling his traditional comic-book mask.
Having him use a mask that acts sort of like a heads-up display from a plane would be kind of cool.

[DrCosmic]

Um....

Sam Wilson is one of Cap's specialized new team, probably a techie. SHIELD gives Cap some wings for whatever reason. Cap doesn't use them, in a pinch, Sam grabs the wings (escape crashing Quinjet?) and pwns with them, so Cap requests they be given him permanently at the end of the film.

Or he could've just made them for himself.

This is clearly the best and simplest. Puts him in danger of being a poor Man's Tony Stark, but yeah, I like this. I'd even combine it with my idea, he makes them for Cap, but he ends up using them himself as Cap teaches him how to be a hero for himself.

Another cool moment might be Sam on that "I'm just a guy from Brooklyn" thing, gaining Cap's admiration of his attitude and then they start talking about Brooklyn since they both grew up there, but it's weird, cuz they're talking about places that burned down in the 50s, and really old speakeasies/bars that've been there since the Prohibition.

Dang I need to start writing. Ugh.

In all srs bsns, I hope they give Falcon some more gadgetry; like maybe specialized goggles for NV, TI, targeting, and the usual Sam Fisher-type HUD. That would give Falcon an excellent reason to wear something resembling his traditional comic-book mask.

That's VERY cool, I'd love that.

[metaphysician]

I don't think having Sam be a techy would really endanger Tony's niche. There's a difference between being an inventor and being The Inventor, after all.

[The Ironstar]

Papa Doc is playing The Falcon? That's really cool. I'm a fan of the character (he's basically Marvel's Koko B. Ware), but I already know his classic costume isn't going to make it on screen. I can see them going with this one though:

http://heroclixin.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/ult-falcon.jpg

I was actually hoping this guy from HBO:The WIRE to get this,but I'm cool w/this also.

http://www.hbo.com/the-wire/cast-and-crew/index.html#/the-wire/cast-and-crew/michael-lee/index.html
http://www.hbo.com/the-wire/cast-and-crew/index.html#/the-wire/cast-and-crew/michael-lee/index.html

[TikkiEXX]

well in the Ultimates hes pretty much a genius. think he made the wings himself. and i forgot both him and Cap are from New York. but isnt Falcon from Harlem? still something they can bond over. hope they make him all acrobatic during the fight scenes. i know hes crazy agile in the comics, at least 616. wonder if the wings will be weoponised like in The Ultimates? pretty sure i remember him cutting some dude in half with them. lol

[cherokeesam]

well in the Ultimates hes pretty much a genius. think he made the wings himself. and i forgot both him and Cap are from New York. but isnt Falcon from Harlem? still something they can bond over. hope they make him all acrobatic during the fight scenes. i know hes crazy agile in the comics, at least 616. wonder if the wings will be weoponised like in The Ultimates? pretty sure i remember him cutting some dude in half with them. lol

Yep, Sam is from Harlem. And there's 70 years between Sam's New York and Cap's New York, so I doubt there'd be that much they could bond about there. (Realistically, Steve Rogers probably wouldn't have even gone near Harlem in the 1930s and 1940s anyway. Not being racist there, just sign o' the times.)

[Dark Raven]

I don't think they'll bond over each other being from New York. Do all New Yorkers bond over that? If so, there wouldn't be any crime against each other. No-one would murder each other because they would all feel that this is a fellow New Yorker and brother. But people don't think like that. Especially if you are both in New York.

Now if two New Yorkers met each other overseas somewhere where everyone is a foreigner to them, then there might be more of a bond. But in NY, everyone's just going to take that sort of thing for granted.

[metaphysician]

OTOH, Sam being a New Yorker would make him a good candidate for helping Steve acclimate. He can be a bit of a guide to the NYC of the present day.

[marcvader]

I'm looking forward to Falcon being in this but I'm a little bit more than embarrassed to admit this but, I had one of these along with many other Mego's growing up.
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj158/cantina00/mego/113007megomibfalcon1.jpg

[Dark Raven]

I had the Marvel Legends Falcon:

http://mltimelines.net/images/falcon3.jpg

Why does that Mego Falcon have sleeves where his bare arms should be?

[Webfoot Hero]

I had the Marvel Legends Falcon:

http://mltimelines.net/images/falcon3.jpg

Why does that Mego Falcon have sleeves where his bare arms should be?
I'm guessing so they could attach the wings to something since I doubt they could directly attach them into the plastic arms..

[Majik1387]

That's how Mego dolls were made, that's why.

[Hawkingbird]

The first character who I wouldn't mind having his Ultimate outfit :o

[tdeverea]

I'm not sure if this has been touched upon but what if...

Mackie was playing Black Panther in CA2 instead of Falcon and Marvel was just pulling the wool over our eyes?

I know this isn't very likely but a guy can dream, right?

[BullMcGiveny]

I'm not sure if this has been touched upon but what if...

Mackie was playing Black Panther in CA2 instead of Falcon and Marvel was just pulling the wool over our eyes?
Why would they?

[Majik1387]

Marvel isn't one to cast actors as a role but call it something else. I mean sure, some actors denied being in movies, or denied roles they were playing, but they've never said they were playing someone different than who they played.

[DocHoliday]

All for this casting...I'm not too knowledgable of the character but it's a good actor in the role.

[tdeverea]

Why would they?


Because I really want to see Black Panther in a movie before Falcon. I'm a selfish motherfocker.

[terry78]

Falcon can be a meaty role if they give him stuff to do per certain storylines from the books. But he could be overshadowed by Bucky's story.

[Chewy]

I think Falcon is going to play a bigger role than most people suspect. He'll probably show up in Avengers 2

[cherokeesam]

I think Falcon is going to play a bigger role than most people suspect. He'll probably show up in Avengers 2

I agree.
Marvel has even been trying to "educate" its youngest fans through the popular Super Hero Squad toon with Falcon as one of the central cast members. (Of course, they've also got Wolverine and a made-up dinosaur version of TT's Beast Boy, so.....yeah)

[Majik1387]

Eh, the same was said/thought about War Machine. Not saying Falcon won't be in Avengers 2, but I don't see his inclusion here in CA2 as him having a part in Avengers 2.

[Chewy]

War Machine has traditionally been an Iron Man supporting character, he wasn't really an Avenger until later on. Whereas Falcon is a longtime Avenger and he slides right into Avengers 2 without much set-up, especially if he's a SHIELD agent here

[Majik1387]

Again, we'll see.

[BullMcGiveny]

Am more amused with this than I should be.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9fmqnHasv1rrwrmho1_500.jpg

[Dark Raven]

The problem with War Machine in the Avengers is that he's basically just duplicating Iron Man's look and powers, just in a different colour scheme. Falcon doesn't have that problem. He has much more of a unique look, at least in the comics, and his powers are different enough from Cap's or the others.

[Hawkingbird]

I really don't want him to be a SHIELD agent :o but tough butt I guess.

[Dark Raven]

I really don't want him to be a SHIELD agent :o but tough butt I guess.

What's that? The opposite of "smooth as a baby's bottom"?

[herolee10]

Yeah< I just realized that aside from the Main Four...everyone else that's mainly affiliated with the Avengers Group are SHIELD operatives or government agents (Sharon Carter, Maria Hill, BW, Hawkeye, Fury, Falcon....heck, even Ms. Marvel)

[cherokeesam]

Yeah< I just realized that aside from the Main Four...everyone else that's mainly affiliated with the Avengers Group are SHIELD operatives or government agents (Sharon Carter, Maria Hill, BW, Hawkeye, Fury, Falcon....heck, even Ms. Marvel)

Are you talking about the movies, or the comic books?
Because we don't know for sure that Falcon, Ms. Marvel (who has yet to even be discussed by Marvel Studios), or even Sharon Carter will be agents.
And in the comic books, the VAST majority of the Avengers are independents. At least, before the Initiative made them all civil servants.

[The Epic Beyond]

Hey Guys I'm new here,
I think that the Falcon can be a real interesting character in the sequel depending how they relate him to Captain America. As a man out of time he lost everyone he cares about, but with the Winter Soldier me gets back his best friend as an enemy. Cap and the Falcon have had a long standing friend ship in the comics. If the develop it i could help to show Steve adjusting to the modern world

[DrCosmic]

Yeah< I just realized that aside from the Main Four...everyone else that's mainly affiliated with the Avengers Group are SHIELD operatives or government agents (Sharon Carter, Maria Hill, BW, Hawkeye, Fury, Falcon....heck, even Ms. Marvel)

Very true, that's what will make the Avengers separating from SHIELD very interesting, as there are a host of characters who get caught in the middle, Captain America included.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Hey Guys I'm new here,
I think that the Falcon can be a real interesting character in the sequel depending how they relate him to Captain America. As a man out of time he lost everyone he cares about, but with the Winter Soldier me gets back his best friend as an enemy. Cap and the Falcon have had a long standing friend ship in the comics. If the develop it i could help to show Steve adjusting to the modern world

True. So do you think Cap and Bucky's relationship will be repaired? Will they all three go get a beer after work? With drunk Cap hitting on Sharon.

[OccamsTaser]

I just saw an interview with Mackie in which he mentions the Falcon:

You're also about to make history because of your recent casting in the new "Captain America (http://www.newsday.com/topics//Captain_America)" film. Tell us about it.

I'm playing the Falcon (http://www.newsday.com/topics//Falcon_(musician)). He's this guy in Harlem who moved to California and became a drug dealer. His plane crashed, and he was genetically altered, and he can fly, has telepathic powers. He's the first African-American superhero. It makes me feel all the work I've done has been paying off. I have a son, nephews and nieces, and I love the idea that they can dress up as the Falcon (http://www.newsday.com/topics//Falcon_(musician)) on Halloween. They now have someone they can idolize. That's a huge honor for me.

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/celebrities/hurt-locker-s-anthony-mackie-in-10-years-1.3995508

[marcvader]

Wow, is this real? Damn

[Chewy]

So I guess they took his telepathic connection to birds and just made it more general, makes sense.

Can't wait to see how they handle him.

[Silvermoth]

Oh I hope they don't keep the drug dealer thing.

[Chewy]

Doubt they will, that was a really awful retcon anyway. I think he was a pimp too, lol

[marcvader]

Need to know more about the telepathic thing too. Nit sure how I feel about that.

[Chewy]

He's always had that link with his bird where he could see through its eyes.

[OccamsTaser]

Maybe Mackie wasn't speaking specifically about how his character will be presented in the movie, but rather just giving a general description of the character based on what he knows of the comics. So he may not be a drug dealer or pimp or bird telepath or whatever in the movie. Hopefully.

[terry78]

Which would be the lesser of two evils, the bird telepath or the pimp?

[Dark Raven]

I hope he does keep the telepathic link. That's what will set him apart from just being a SHIELD agent. I want him to have Redwing (and for Redwing to poop on someone like in Superhero Squad). I also hope he has something resembling his classic red and white costume with wings.

There's something cool about seeing Cap's red, white and blue colours next to Falcon's red and white. I don't want to be seeing Falcon in some other colour like black. It just won't have the same iconic colour combination next to Cap.

[marcvader]

He's always had that link with his bird where he could see through its eyes.

I know that. Wondering about the extent if it though. How will the telepathy come about in the MCU? It seems a bit much if he's a telepath across the board and quite powerful at face value if you ask me.

[OccamsTaser]

Which would be the lesser of two evils, the bird telepath or the pimp?

Many would likely consider bird telepathy to be a lame power, but the pimp thing could be more problematic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications).

[Chewy]

I know that. Wondering about the extent if it though. How will the telepathy come about in the MCU? It seems a bit much if he's a telepath across the board and quite powerful at face value if you ask me.
Honestly I'd rather him have across the board telepathy than just the bird telepathy. Maybe have it not be all that powerful or something, but I'm sure it could be presented in a way that's not too overpowered

[Dark Raven]

I'm thinking it would just be presented a bit like Sheena who had a telepathic link with jungle animals, although in the Gena Lee Nolin series she seemed to be able to shapeshift into them. I don't think they need to make a big deal out of it with Redwing, but just that there is a link and Redwing can carry out his bidding.

The question is whether they'll get an actual trained bird or will it be CGI or animatronic? Some birds, even trained, can be unpredicatable. I do think they need a real one though for some shots.

[Chewy]

I don't think he'll have his pet falcon

[marcvader]

I would have preferred drones instead of birds. An ai one called Redwing maybe and no telepathy.

[cherokeesam]

Maybe Mackie wasn't speaking specifically about how his character will be presented in the movie, but rather just giving a general description of the character based on what he knows of the comics. So he may not be a drug dealer or pimp or bird telepath or whatever in the movie. Hopefully.

I'm pretty sure this is the case. I doubt Mackie has seen a script yet; sounds like he's just repeating what he's read about the comic book character. But I *do* hope they make Falcon a role that Mackie can be proud of.

I don't think he'll have his pet falcon

You mean the thing he was actually named for....??? :dry:
That's like having Spider-Man without the ability to spin webs or crawl on ceilings.

[Dark Raven]

Falcon without Redwing would just look like something is missing. That's something so distinctive about him. It's like Cap without his shield or Thor without his hammer or Hawkeye without his bow and arrow. Falcon will be less memorable and iconic without Redwing and just a random guy who can fly (especially if they ditch his wings and anything else that is part of his classic costume).

[Chewy]

You mean the thing he was actually named for....??? :dry:
That's like having Spider-Man without the ability to spin webs or crawl on ceilings.
No, it's like having Spider-Man without his pet spider.

[cherokeesam]

No, it's like having Spider-Man without his pet spider.

Don't be disingenuous. Spider-Man was obviously not named for a pet spider; Falcon *was* named for his falcon. Who is not a "pet."

Superheroes are almost invariably named for their iconic power. Falcon's original, iconic power was his telepathic connection to Redwing. Taking that away is taking away the core of the character.

[Chewy]

First of all, Falcon is not an iconic character, he does not have an iconic power. Some of y'all throw around the word iconic all willy-nilly.

Second of all, he can have a telepathic connection to birds without having a pet falcon that follows him around. And I think the bird wings cover him being named Falcon.

[metaphysician]

I'd prefer he be a SHIELD gadgeteer, myself. Give him a flight harness, and if you want to reference Redwing, surveillance drones.

[TheHeatKitchen]

After reading that little description he gave from that interview and all of the discussion here, I'm starting to really not like the idea of Falcon in this movie. It looks like no matter what they do, half of the fans will be disappointed. It's either do something that will make him look stupid in a film or ruin the "core" or the character.

I'm really starting to hope that what someone else said is true, no matter how absurd it is, that they're all lying about the character and he's actually Black Panther.

[Chewy]

The people who are whining about potential changes now will love those very same changes two years from now. It's an endless cycle on SHH

The "core" of the character is that's he's Cap's bestie and he flies with big wings attached to his arms. Doubt either of those will change. I'm game with the filmmakers doing just about anything with the character, to be honest

[Joeyjojo72]

Glad to see I was right about them having to boost the Falcon's power set. Given how faithful Marvel has been with Cap, they should feel completely free to re-imagine the Falcon character. Im hoping the "gentically altered" thing means his flying with bird wings will actually make sense (well, sci fi sense anyway) Great news.



Off-topic: And if the next time we see Widow shes been augmented (Infinity Formula, implants etc) even better. Same with Hawkeye.

[BullMcGiveny]

I know I shouldn't, but I kind of define Sam as Steve's best friend and his steadfast ally, rather than whatever gadgets or powers he has. He could be a standard SHIELD Agent and I'd still only care about how his relationship with Steve is portrayed.

[Dark Raven]

I know I shouldn't, but I kind of define Sam as Steve's best friend and his steadfast ally, rather than whatever gadgets or powers he has. He could be a standard SHIELD Agent and I'd still only care about how his relationship with Steve is portrayed.

Maybe Sam should be a dog. He'd still be Steve's best friend and ally and would have the type of relationship you care about. Redwing could be his chewy toy.

[chamber-music]

Which would be the lesser of two evils, the bird telepath or the pimp?
Sam being a pimp would explain how his pimp hand got so strong :oldrazz:

[Chewy]

They just need to make his wings as functional and awesome as they did Hawkeye's bow in Avengers and all will be good.

[cherokeesam]

First of all, Falcon is not an iconic character, he does not have an iconic power. Some of y'all throw around the word iconic all willy-nilly.

Second of all, he can have a telepathic connection to birds without having a pet falcon that follows him around. And I think the bird wings cover him being named Falcon.

Yeah, no.
He was the (grounded) Falcon for five years before T'Challa ever gave him wings. Redwing is the first and oldest part of his identity; you don't just throw that away because *you* don't like it.

I'm all for Sam having an expanded telepathy extending to all birds; could actually be a useful skill. As for flight, it's obviously a useful skill, but not as your only power. "Hey, look, Cap, I can fly!" "Big ***in' deal there, Snap....so can half of Marvel's Manhattan." Or in MCU terms: so can Thor and Iron Man already (and even Hawkeye, if they'll ever give him his freakin' Skycycle).

Besides, I think there's a very good way to give Sam a falconry backstory in the modern age. Falconry is still a very prominent sport in the Middle East, so it would be easy enough to make Sam a veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan, and say that he acquired Redwing and his falconry skills from a mystical Middle Eastern mentor over there --- a Yinsen type character.

[jaqua99]

I think Falcon is lame

[terry78]

I think Falcon is lame

Falcon thinks you're lame.

[DrCosmic]

I think Falcon is lame

Me too. But I also think Hawkeye is lame, and they made him awesome. That's what I figure will happen with Falcon.

The people who are whining about potential changes now will love those very same changes two years from now. It's an endless cycle on SHH

The "core" of the character is that's he's Cap's bestie and he flies with big wings attached to his arms. Doubt either of those will change. I'm game with the filmmakers doing just about anything with the character, to be honest

Here here. The character is obscure enough to be almost completely flexible from background to costume. While bird telepathy might set him apart... it's the hardest to explain in the context of the MCU. His wings however, like Hawkeye's bow, leave a lot of room for cool execution from solar panels to razor sharp projectile feathers to energy shielding to whatever. All sorts of cool stuff.

[marcvader]

Falcon is cool.

[Chewy]

I think Falcon is lame
Me too. But I also think Hawkeye is lame
http://i.imgur.com/2Gppz.gif

[cherokeesam]

Me too. But I also think Hawkeye is lame, and they made him awesome. That's what I figure will happen with Falcon.



Here here. The character is obscure enough to be almost completely flexible from background to costume. While bird telepathy might set him apart... it's the hardest to explain in the context of the MCU. His wings however, like Hawkeye's bow, leave a lot of room for cool execution from solar panels to razor sharp projectile feathers to energy shielding to whatever. All sorts of cool stuff.

The telepathy isn't hard to explain in the context of the MCU. Yeah, maybe the full-blown bird telepathy/control that Sam exhibits nowadays, which tend to indicate he's a mutant, but MS can't explore that corridor even if they want to. But a link to Redwing? Here's the way I see it playing out, simple enough:

Sam is a SHIELD agent somewhere in the Middle East. At some point, he is alone and lost in the desert (maybe his chopper crashed, maybe he was ambushed by al-Qaeda or Taliban, whatever), and about to die. Suddenly, there's a falcon standing in the sand beside him, and Sam realizes he must be getting close to water and food --- hey, if the bird is alive, it's eating and drinking something, right? So he follows the falcon as it flies, and the falcon oddly seems to be trying to lead him to safety. And that's what the falcon does --- leads him to an oasis, where he recovers, and finds that the falcon is a trained bird belonging to some mystic sheikh or other. Sheikh befriends Sam, teaches him the ancient art of falconry, Sam and Redwing develop a strong psychic bond, and the sheikh lets him take Redwing back to the States.

As for the wings --- yeah, they look cool and they let him fly. But that's not nearly unique enough to qualify for a superpower, especially if he's trying to put together a resume to join the Avengers. As I said before, there's at least two other fliers already on the team, and both are *better* fliers than Falcon could ever hope to be.

Sam *needs* far more than just the power of flight to sell the character. Just keep it simple --- what's worked for Marvel Studios so far has been to be true to the comic book characters' powers, look and origins. Whiplash is the only MCU character who significantly deviated from his comic-book counterpart, and by all counts (especially by Mickey Rourke, of course), it ruined the character.

[terry78]

I know in the comics Red Skull gave him the power via the cube, but just say it was a side effect of some SHIELD testing or whatever.

[Yellow Cyclone]

clawed by a radioactive falcon, sam wilson develops a unique telepathic bond with birds

[marcvader]

I prefer, Sam Wilson, left for dead after an Afghani ambush attempt he's discovered and nursed back to health by a Falcon named Redwing. They build a telepathic bond over this extended period together in a remote Afghan cave.

[JB-the-Hunter]

This movie is called Captain America: The Winter Soldier. There won't be enough room to give Falcon a backstory for his powers. I assume He'll just be like Black Widow and Hawkeye, a special SHIELD agent.

[cherokeesam]

This movie is called Captain America: The Winter Soldier. There won't be enough room to give Falcon a backstory for his powers. I assume He'll just be like Black Widow and Hawkeye, a special SHIELD agent.

How much time do they need to spend on backstory for secondary heroes, anyway? Unless they get into the convoluted Exile Island rigamarole with Red Skull (they won't, since Skully hasn't made his return to Earth yet), or the reformed pimp backstory (unlikely, to avoid cries of racial stereotypes), then the only thing they need to reveal is that he's a SHIELD agent who has a very handy falcon, and a great big pair of wings.

Personally, I'd like to see Falc earn his (literal) wings during the course of the movie. i.e., a special gift from the King of Wakanda. (I always thought that gave Steve and Sam an extra layer to complement their friendship: i.e., both of their iconic tools of the trade were made with Wakandan technology/vibranium).

[DrCosmic]

The telepathy isn't hard to explain in the context of the MCU. Yeah, maybe the full-blown bird telepathy/control that Sam exhibits nowadays, which tend to indicate he's a mutant, but MS can't explore that corridor even if they want to. But a link to Redwing? Here's the way I see it playing out, simple enough:

Sam is a SHIELD agent somewhere in the Middle East. At some point, he is alone and lost in the desert (maybe his chopper crashed, maybe he was ambushed by al-Qaeda or Taliban, whatever), and about to die. Suddenly, there's a falcon standing in the sand beside him, and Sam realizes he must be getting close to water and food --- hey, if the bird is alive, it's eating and drinking something, right? So he follows the falcon as it flies, and the falcon oddly seems to be trying to lead him to safety. And that's what the falcon does --- leads him to an oasis, where he recovers, and finds that the falcon is a trained bird belonging to some mystic sheikh or other. Sheikh befriends Sam, teaches him the ancient art of falconry, Sam and Redwing develop a strong psychic bond, and the sheikh lets him take Redwing back to the States.

As for the wings --- yeah, they look cool and they let him fly. But that's not nearly unique enough to qualify for a superpower, especially if he's trying to put together a resume to join the Avengers. As I said before, there's at least two other fliers already on the team, and both are *better* fliers than Falcon could ever hope to be.

Sam *needs* far more than just the power of flight to sell the character. Just keep it simple --- what's worked for Marvel Studios so far has been to be true to the comic book characters' powers, look and origins. Whiplash is the only MCU character who significantly deviated from his comic-book counterpart, and by all counts (especially by Mickey Rourke, of course), it ruined the character.

Mickey Rourke explicitly explained that cutting his performance ruined the character, not the difference from comics, and, iirc, he was the only one who complained about Whiplash. And while, if screen time allows and it plays into Captain America's story, Sam could get a backstory with Redwing, there's no amount of birds that will make him of any value to the Avengers. Consider Hawkeye: there are other character that can shoot much more powerfully than Hawkeye, but because they do other things, and Hawkeye specializes, he is still valuable to the team. Same exact thing with Falcon when it comes to flying and razor sharp wings and such. He's every bit as qualified as Hawkeye, and will be deveoped similarly in order to be Avengers-level.

[Hawkingbird]

What is Ultimate Falcon's bio like....god I hate Ultimates...

[BullMcGiveny]

What is Ultimate Falcon's bio like....god I hate Ultimates...
I hate the Ultimates too, but there are a couple of good ideas, and Ultimate Falcon is one.

He's an ex-soldier who served under Fury, who later quit to pursue scientific research. Fury keeps him on the payroll, but he isn't an active agent. Fury calls him in every once in a while, whenever he needs a sober ass-kicking scientist.

He has the wings, which he made himself, and submachine guns.

[BullMcGiveny]

How much time do they need to spend on backstory for secondary heroes, anyway? Unless they get into the convoluted Exile Island rigamarole with Red Skull (they won't, since Skully hasn't made his return to Earth yet), or the reformed pimp backstory (unlikely, to avoid cries of racial stereotypes), then the only thing they need to reveal is that he's a SHIELD agent who has a very handy falcon, and a great big pair of wings.

Personally, I'd like to see Falc earn his (literal) wings during the course of the movie. i.e., a special gift from the King of Wakanda. (I always thought that gave Steve and Sam an extra layer to complement their friendship: i.e., both of their iconic tools of the trade were made with Wakandan technology/vibranium).
It would be pretty out of left field, though.

The movie is going to be about Winter Soldier. It's been touted as a political thriller, there's going to be remnants of the Cold War, rogue KGB types, maybe the Black Widow, espionage and intrigue.... And then there's a guy who got his powers of bird-whispering from a mystic.

[cherokeesam]

It would be pretty out of left field, though.

The movie is going to be about Winter Soldier. It's been touted as a political thriller, there's going to be remnants of the Cold War, rogue KGB types, maybe the Black Widow, espionage and intrigue.... And then there's a guy who got his powers of bird-whispering from a mystic.

He fits in pretty good with the WWII-era chemically-enhanced superman who spent the last seventy years frozen and unaging inside an iceberg. ;)

[marcvader]

This movie is called Captain America: The Winter Soldier. There won't be enough room to give Falcon a backstory for his powers. I assume He'll just be like Black Widow and Hawkeye, a special SHIELD agent.

lol Our suggestions were jokes. At least mine was.

[BullMcGiveny]

He fits in pretty good with the WWII-era chemically-enhanced superman who spent the last seventy years frozen and unaging inside an iceberg. ;)
It isn't a question of realism. It is a question of how much fantastic elements are directly the focus of the plot.

In CATFA, you had a serum that could turn one into a super-soldier, and a cosmic cube, but both were very prominent points of the story.

If mysticism is a big part of the plot of CATWS, then sure. But if its just something that is brough up in relation to Falcon's powers withot having any bearing on anything else, that's just weird.

It'd be as if you took CATFA and kept it the same, only uoi made Peggy a werewolf.

[Hypestyle]

...skip the mid-70s retcon of the pimp/"racketeer" career.. scientist, or social worker, work fine..

[The Strategos]

Just not the horrid grey costume!

[marcvader]

Which grey costume?

[kaijunexus]

Just not the horrid grey costume!

This one?

http://www.sidekickcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/falcon1.jpg

[xeno000]

I prefer, Sam Wilson, left for dead after an Afghani ambush attempt he's discovered and nursed back to health by a Falcon named Redwing. They build a telepathic bond over this extended period together in a remote Afghan cave.


Wait a minute, a falcon nurses a human being back to health? The telepathic bond is fine, but the rest gives me nightmare visions of Sam sitting in a giant nest with Redwing dropping chunks of carrion into his open mouth. :eek: :woot:

[Chewy]

Thanos uses the reality gem to turn a falcon named Redwing into a human named Sam Wilson

[The Strategos]

This one?

http://www.sidekickcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/falcon1.jpg

Nah, I actually quite like that, is was thinging more the one in The Two Americas and Nowhere to Run, at least I think that was what the arcs where called. I just like some colour in there, not grey :hehe: !

[BatsDC]

“Marvel is really weird, because they don't let you look at the script. They're like, 'Listen, we brought back Robert Downey Jr., so you might want to be down with us,'" he laughed. "But there's going to be a lot of Anthony in a tight suit kicking ass. Everybody wanted me in spandex, and now you've got it — hours of it!”

mtv (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2012/09/17/anthony-mackie-captain-america-winter-soldier-falcon/)

[Chewy]

Mackie won't have much time to rest on that posterior: He's about to embark on an 11,000-calorie-a-day diet to play the Falcon in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. "He's known for his physique. He's described as 6'3", 245 pounds, so starting Monday, for the next five months until we start shooting, I'm going back to high-school workouts and start doing two-a-days, so I get up to 230 pounds." Sounds major! "I'm going to try not to get a job between now and then, so I can really focus on this. Because Chris Evans is in such good shape! I'm just a dude he dragged into the lab that he injected with some ****, but I got to stand next to him. So we shall see!"

The character, an ally to Captain America, was a groundbreaking addition to the Marvel comic-book canon as the company's first black superhero, a fact that wasn't lost on Mackie's family. "When I got the part, I called my brother, and I told him, 'Guess what I'm doing.' And I told him the movie and who I was playing, and he literally just gave me a litany of history about this character. He went in his closet, and he dug out a copy of the very first Captain America with the Falcon in it. So I said to him, 'Holy ****, you're an Über-nerd!'"
http://www.vulture.com/2012/09/anthony-mackie-falcon-captain-america-channing-tatum.html

[marcvader]

That is cool to hear. I hope he doesn't get bigger than Chris though. Here that Chris?

[SuperSAINT]

11,000 calories?!?!?!?

[Chewy]

Yeah you have to eat a toooooon and somehow keep it down to pack on that much mass quickly. Or to stay big as an athlete.

For instance, Michael Phelps' 12,000 calorie/day diet:

Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.

[MovieMaster]

11,000 calories?!!? Bloody hell, don't give yourself a heart attack.

[terry78]

^It has to be worked off via cardio and muscle training to balance out. You can't just eat that much and then sit your ass down.

[Chewy]

^It has to be worked off via cardio and muscle training to balance out. You can't just eat that much and then sit your ass down.
Well, you can. Hence the obesity problem in America :oldrazz:

[Webfoot Hero]

^It has to be worked off via cardio and muscle training to balance out. You can't just eat that much and then sit your ass down.
He did say he was going to be doing 2-a-day workouts so there's really no way he's going to get fat. I'm pretty sure he still has some of the mass he gained for the Pain and Gain movie he did with Michael Bay.http://cdn.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/mackie-pain-and-gain.jpghttp://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Anthony+Mackie+Stars+Set+Pain+Gain+tD92PFG5vg0l.jp g

[SuperSAINT]

I realise how much you have to eat, but 11,000 is mental!

Phelps' is a special case because of the crazy amount of energy he burns - Surprised Mackie can't do it with around 6,000 myself.

* Also how awesome is that Phelps diet by the way?

[The Strategos]

True, but I here that just having massive muscles burns energy like crazy! Phelpes had to use what he had but he had functional, not beauty, muscles.

[Chewy]

The Phelps diet is incredible, it's hard to believe someone eats that every day and isn't a lineman in the NFL, haha.

The diet Mackie, Evans, Hems, etc have to eat is probably a lot more lean turkey and chicken breasts and is definitely no fun

[Webfoot Hero]

The Phelps diet is incredible, it's hard to believe someone eats that every day and isn't a lineman in the NFL, haha.

The diet Mackie, Evans, Hems, etc have to eat is probably a lot more lean turkey and chicken breasts and is definitely no fun
Phelps' diet was more of a balance between carbs, fats, and protein while the ones the Marvel actors go on is very heavy on protein and low on carbs. I remember both Hemsworth and Evans talking about all the chicken breasts and protein shakes they had to consume before filming their movies.

[terry78]

Yeah, as much as people say that would be awesome to eat that much in a day, if you're forced to do it...not so much. I barely get through 2,000 a day as is.

[Chewy]

Phelps' diet was more of a balance between carbs, fats, and protein while the ones the Marvel actors go on is very heavy on protein and low on carbs. I remember both Hemsworth and Evans talking about all the chicken breasts and protein shakes they had to consume before filming their movies.
Yeah, because Phelps does almost nothing but cardio basically every day.

Whereas the actors will just try to pack on lean mass and probably are doing mostly really tedious lifting, and not much cardio. Would defeat the purpose.

[Dark Raven]

I think they should work on the basis of making Falcon cool enough that, if he is popular enough with the audiences he could potentially be spun into his own movie. Not saying I particularly want to see a Falcon movie, but who knows what will be a hit with the audiences? Therefore they should just have that rule of thumb for all characters.

[cherokeesam]

So nobody else went "WTF???" when Mackie said this:

"I'm going to try not to get a job between now and then, so I can really focus on this. Because Chris Evans is in such good shape! I'm just a dude he dragged into the lab that he injected with some ****, but I got to stand next to him. So we shall see!"

Cap injects Sam with some ****....? Namely, some SSS ****....?
Sounds more like Isaiah Bradley than the Falcon. Maybe they *are* borrowing bits and pieces from Bradley's story, and making Falcon another Super-Soldier.

[BoredGuy]

It would make some sense i guess
Give him another leg up

But it obviously couldn't be the full SSS
So at best maybe he gets the blonsky treatment

[the dmg]

It would make some sense i guess
Give him another leg up

But it obviously couldn't be the full SSS
So at best maybe he gets the blonsky treatment
Then we'll eventually get an unstable Falcon. I hope he was just talking more in the moment.

[Changeling]

Falcons Ultimates suit is too basic, and the 616 version is too over the top. A healthy combination of the two is imo what we should hope for.

[marcvader]

This was something I was messing around with in paint a while ago. It's a ballistic vest/wing harness with cues from his costume if he were working with SHIELD. Never finished it though.
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp212/uknowuwantitdade/falcon.jpg

[xeno000]

It would make some sense i guess
Give him another leg up

But it obviously couldn't be the full SSS
So at best maybe he gets the blonsky treatment

They don't have the Red Skull & Cosmic Cube origin available, so this is the next best thing, I suppose. It ties in with the recurring theme of ill-advised Super Soldier Serum experiments running through the Marvel films to date. Perhaps, instead of using the Cube to create Falcon's powers, HYDRA used Sam Wilson as a guinea pig for its own attempts to recreate the serum, much as Ross had used Banner (to an extent) and Blonsky.

[Hawkingbird]

I hate the Ultimates too, but there are a couple of good ideas, and Ultimate Falcon is one.

He's an ex-soldier who served under Fury, who later quit to pursue scientific research. Fury keeps him on the payroll, but he isn't an active agent. Fury calls him in every once in a while, whenever he needs a sober ass-kicking scientist.

He has the wings, which he made himself, and submachine guns.

Well that's going to be our Falcon then :o

[Chewy]

Maybe instead of getting the same treatment Cap got, he'll be getting the same treatment Bucky gets (programming by the film's villain and all that tomfoolery)

[marcvader]

Interesting idea^^^Sam could have escaped the program with his enhancements. He may have known WSbut never was privy to the fact of his identity or relation to Cap.

[DeGenerate10]

Has there been any recent pictures of Anthony Mackie? I'm wondering how big he'll get for the movie

[Chewy]

Don't know, you can see how big he got for Pain & Gain which filmed earlier this year, though
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[marvel_freshman]

Pics of Mackie filming A Many Splintered Thing with Evans on December 1st. He has been training with this guy (https://twitter.com/TheMrNewOrleans/statuses/278193624632672256?tw_i=278193624632672256&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed) since then however.

http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-09.jpg
http://cdn03.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-01.jpg
http://cdn03.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-10.jpg

[xeno000]

Great photos, marvel_freshman. Thanks!

Evans and Mackie seem to have good chemistry, which they'll need for Steve & Sam's epic bromance. :hrt:

[BullMcGiveny]

You know, I hope Mackie doesn't look too big. Falcon should look wiry rather than buff.

[Joeyjojo72]

Well if has flappable wings, it would make sense that his pecs would be pretty jacked. His upper body in general actually.

[xeno000]

You know, I hope Mackie doesn't look too big. Falcon should look wiry rather than buff.


The Falcon was not depicted as wiry in the original comics. He was always a big, muscular guy with a massive upper body and thighs. Mackie fits that image perfectly.


http://www.writeups.org/img/inset/Falcon_h3.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7e24aY1oa1qd97av.jpg

[Quasimod0]

He's got a thin face

[xeno000]

He's got a thin face


Mackie has a handsome face and his body is perfect. Imagine his arms and chest in The Falcon's suit. He's going to look spectacular.


http://www.indiewire.com/static/dims4/INDIEWIRE/c085559/4102462740/thumbnail/680x478/http://d1oi7t5trwfj5d.cloudfront.net/7f/7f301083fa11e1bcc4123138165f92/file/mackiepain1.jpg

http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2012/04/25/previews/Anthony%20Mackie-20120425-37.jpg

[Superhero 101]

He'll be fine

[Chewy]

If by fine you mean awesome, then yeah :oldrazz:

[Majik1387]

He'll be fine in the role, but he's not handsome. But that doesn't really matter for Falcon I feel.

[CaptainStacy]

Pics of Mackie filming A Many Splintered Thing with Evans on December 1st. He has been training with this guy (https://twitter.com/TheMrNewOrleans/statuses/278193624632672256?tw_i=278193624632672256&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed) since then however.

http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-09.jpg


Steve Rogers & Sam Wilson. I love it. :up:

[CaptainStacy]

Mackie has a handsome face and his body is perfect. Imagine his arms and chest in The Falcon's suit. He's going to look spectacular.


http://www.indiewire.com/static/dims4/INDIEWIRE/c085559/4102462740/thumbnail/680x478/http://d1oi7t5trwfj5d.cloudfront.net/7f/7f301083fa11e1bcc4123138165f92/file/mackiepain1.jpg

http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2012/04/25/previews/Anthony%20Mackie-20120425-37.jpg

Agreed. Hope he gets the red and white outfit.

Please, PLEASE no back leather! :down

[SuperSAINT]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2013/01/10/anthony-mackie-captain-america-falcon-2/

[Moridin]

"this video is unavailable in your location" :cmad:

What does he say?

[SuperSAINT]

"this video is unavailable in your location" :cmad:

What does he say?

Unavailable over here too.

I just went by the quotes.

[Moridin]

Doh :doh:

Didn't even see there was text.:oldrazz:

[Majik1387]

Yeah, what's said in the quotes is everything he said in the video, nothing left out.

[TheWiseGuy487]

Has anybody read this? Anthony Mackie shares his thoughts on Black Falcon:

What was the attraction to playing the Falcon?

Anthony Mackie: Everything I go see the comic book movie and I have a 3 year-old son and he’s always telling me he wants to Spider-Man or Captain America. It’s unfair for little black kids not to have a superhero to look up to. When I got the call about the Falcon that was a no brainer. I feel that this is for a whole generation who has the opportunity to know a superhero like we did. We grew up with Spawn and Meteor Man. Every kid had a pot or can and thought they were Meteor Man, so I’m excited for a bunch of kids to say that I’m the Falcon.

Growing up, did you know a lot about the Falcon?

AM: The Falcon was a short-lived comic book series. If you look at the time in which they introduced the Falcon and what they were trying to do with him, it was an interesting cool character that wasn’t executed well at all. That’s why when the comic book died, they re-introduced him as a Robin to Captain America’s Batman, just to re-spark the life of the character. It’s one of those things where if you are not a real comic book fan and it was short-lived, you wouldn’t know who he was; whereas Black Panther had a long run with an individual comic book.
http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2013/01/exclusive-anthony-mackie-talks-falcon/

Man, this guy really knows his stuff! I'm even more intrigued to see what he brings to the role! :wow:


http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-09.jpg
http://cdn03.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-01.jpg


Man, watching these two interact is going to be one of the best parts of the film. I can already tell they're going to have great chemistry with each other.

[Hawkingbird]

Pics of Mackie filming A Many Splintered Thing with Evans on December 1st. He has been training with this guy (https://twitter.com/TheMrNewOrleans/statuses/278193624632672256?tw_i=278193624632672256&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed) since then however.

http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-09.jpg
http://cdn03.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-01.jpg
http://cdn03.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/evans-veoscar/chris-evans-the-avengers-up-for-visual-effects-oscar-nomination-10.jpg

Oh I love him already :hrt:
Thank you Freshman, and I enjoyed our Twitter chat!

[BullMcGiveny]

The Falcon was not depicted as wiry in the original comics. He was always a big, muscular guy with a massive upper body and thighs. Mackie fits that image perfectly.
You are correct.

My own preferences, though, is that Evans should bigger, while Bucky and Sam should look more compact, though fit and athletic.

[terry78]

He had an interview with Capone over at AICN and he subtly hints at Redwing.

[BullMcGiveny]

I don't think he did. My guess is that he won't.

[chamber-music]

I wouldn't mind if they made Redwing a robotic drone bird type thing which Falcon had cybernetic interface with.

[cherokeesam]

I don't think he did. My guess is that he won't.

Yeah, they asked him specifically about Redwing, and he just "no commented."

He *did* specifically say: "I will have wings. I will be able to fly. I will be a superhero and fight people, namely The Winter Soldier." In case anybody had any doubt.

And he said "it’s a take off the comic book, it’s not the exactly storyline of the comic book." In case anybody had any doubt. :word:

[M-2]

If Red Wing is in the film, it should just be his pet that is expertly trained and has an eerie sixth sense. With Falcon, basically just understanding that somethings wrong based on the birds behaviour

[Webfoot Hero]

I find it interesting that he is excited to see what the Russo Bros do with the movie since he's a big fan of their work on Community.

[cherokeesam]

If Red Wing is in the film, it should just be his pet that is expertly trained and has an eerie sixth sense. With Falcon, basically just understanding that somethings wrong based on the birds behaviour

According to an early script leak, Redwing is actually Vanko's cockatoo from IM2. SHIELD agent Sam Wilson took him into protective custody and bonded with him after Vanko's death at the end of IM2. :o


(P.S.: If anyone actually believes that, I've also got some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell them)

[BullMcGiveny]

According to an early script leak, Redwing is actually Vanko's cockatoo from IM2. SHIELD agent Sam Wilson took him into protective custody and bonded with him after Vanko's death at the end of IM2. :o


(P.S.: If anyone actually believes that, I've also got some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell them)
:woot:

[BoredGuy]

Redwing would be nice if they can make it work, but he's certainly not make-or-break
it'd be fine with me if Falcon's suit was just patched into spy satellites, and he could access them at any time to run recon, or something like that.

[xeno000]

According to an early script leak, Redwing is actually Vanko's cockatoo from IM2. SHIELD agent Sam Wilson took him into protective custody and bonded with him after Vanko's death at the end of IM2. :o


(P.S.: If anyone actually believes that, I've also got some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell them)

I want my bird! :argh:

[R_Hythlodeus]

I want my bird! :argh:

Yeah, sure, I can get you a bird.

[CosmicCap]

Yeah, sure, I can get you a bird.

Nice! Haha

[Hypestyle]

I wonder will he start off as a SHIELD agent (Ultimates) or an independent superhero.

[Hawkingbird]

SHIELD agent. SHIELD seems to run the whole damn MMU :o

[BullMcGiveny]

I'd prefer it if he was his own man.

[Hawkingbird]

So would I, but it ain't gonna happen...

[Webfoot Hero]

I wonder will he start off as a SHIELD agent (Ultimates) or an independent superhero.
I just hope he has a bada** entrance/reveal the first time we see him in his Falcon costume.

[Hawkingbird]

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/captain-america-2-concept-art-falcon-2.jpg

We have our concept art!

[tdeverea]

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/captain-america-2-concept-art-falcon-2.jpg

We have our concept art!


I am pleased.

[xeno000]

Falcon is going to look so freakin badass. No wonder Mackie is pleased to be playing the role.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/xeno0000/GIFs/GIFs%203/bIIZ8HB_zpsebbc3bc0.png
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/xeno0000/GIFs/GIFs%203/p22f-600x337_zps0711b6dd.png

[Webfoot Hero]

Falcon is going to look so freakin badass. No wonder Mackie is pleased to be playing the role.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/xeno0000/GIFs/GIFs%203/bIIZ8HB_zpsebbc3bc0.png
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/xeno0000/GIFs/GIFs%203/p22f-600x337_zps0711b6dd.png
If this is going to be roughly similar to the final version and they give Mackie something to work with in the script, then I can easily see him being a new fan favorite.

[Ant-manic]

If this is going to be roughly similar to the final version and they give Mackie something to work with in the script, then I can easily see him being a new fan favorite.


he'll get the same **** they gave Hawkeye for (despite being more skilled than a regular human) being the weakest on the team.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I can't get over the fact that it looks like Falcon is holding two guns under his wings, that is freaking cool. Also, the Peregrine Falcon is the fastest animal alive, I'd love to see that reflected in Sam's character.

[Mr. Dent]

The closer I look, it looks like those are just the handles for controlling the wings, not guns...although guns may be built-in.

[cherokeesam]

The closer I look, it looks like those are just the handles for controlling the wings, not guns...although guns may be built-in.

No, it definitely looks like guns; which would be in keeping with his Ultimate costume, that this is based on. The wings are strapped to his arms with those belts you see.

I don't think the guns are mounted to the wings, as some have suggested; it'd be pretty awkward to reload or clear jams if they're in a fixed position.