To Infinity and Beyond: The Thanos Thread

[Chewy]

So... with the big guy being set up as a major player in the MCU, what do you want to see from him?

Should he be the main villain here, a side villain, or just backstory fodder for Drax and Gamora?

Who should voice and mocap him?

Infinity Guantlet or no?

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[Colossal Spoons]

I'd rather see Annihilus be the bad guy actually. Thanos might be busy with the Avengers

[Darthphere]

As this by all accounts is acting as a lead in to Avengers 2, Thanos has to be involved.

[Spider-Fan]

I say he should be mentioned and involved, but not the direct threat to the Guardians. If they defeat Thanos before Avengers 2, then Thanos looks weaker. If the Guardians lose, the film probably thematically suffers and ends up solely as an Avengers 2 lead up with little purpose.

[Darthphere]

They should have Thanos pulling the strings using other cosmic villains to gather resources for another invasion of Earth. GotG show up and stop whichever villain they choose but Thanos is already on his way to Earth.

For some reason, I think GotG has an Empire Strikes Back ending where they lose but there's still hope. I also think they have one of the Guardians show up to Earth to warn them of an upcoming invasion and they'll have someone steal the Infinity Gauntlet in the Thor sequel.

For some reason, I still don't rule out Nova being in this movie.

[T"Challa]

Ron Perlman would make a great Thanos IMO..he has the voice and a penchant for these type of characters..lol

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[misjuevos]

he also did some voice work for old 90's superhero cartoons, like the bruce banner/hulk

[xeno000]

Thanos is the main reason I'm hyped about GotG. He is Marvel's ultimate villain and premiere cosmic threat (Galactus excluded), so it will be exciting to see him in action. The guy killed half of all life in the universe as an offering to Death itself, which has to make him the greatest and most ambitious mass murderer ever conceived of. If the writer stays true to Thanos' character the films will be epic.


The one thing that I find disappointing is that neither of Thanos' two arch enemies, the real Captain Marvel and Adam Warlock, are going to be in the film. The story won't feel complete without them, at least not for me.

[Darthphere]

Thanos is the main reason I'm hyped about GotG. He is Marvel's ultimate villain and premiere cosmic threat (Galactus excluded), so it will be exciting to see him in action. The guy killed half of all life in the universe as an offering to Death itself, which has to make him the greatest and most ambitious mass murderer ever conceived of. If the writer stays true to Thanos' character the films will be epic.


The one thing that I find disappointing is that neither of Thanos' two arch enemies, the real Captain Marvel and Adam Warlock, are going to be in the film. The story won't feel complete without them, at least not for me.

I honestly think that we haven't seen the whole cast yet. Personally, I don't know how Marvel does this movie without including Nova somehow. It would be the perfect place to introduce him. Then again, one might thing that Nova and Star Lord are too much alike in a sense and that wouldn't work.

[Spider-Fan]

Thanos is the main reason I'm hyped about GotG. He is Marvel's ultimate villain and premiere cosmic threat (Galactus excluded), so it will be exciting to see him in action. The guy killed half of all life in the universe as an offering to Death itself, which has to make him the greatest and most ambitious mass murderer ever conceived of. If the writer stays true to Thanos' character the films will be epic.


The one thing that I find disappointing is that neither of Thanos' two arch enemies, the real Captain Marvel and Adam Warlock, are going to be in the film. The story won't feel complete without them, at least not for me.

We're still not sure how much actual combat Thanos might see in the film, or if he is the direct threat.

[Darthphere]

I think Thanos is the puppet master behind some type of Annihilation Wave event in space.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing them take on Thanos and lose in the end and set up Avengers 2 where Thanos comes knocking on Earth's door. Though at the same time, it seems pretty lame that Avengers 2 would be another alien invasion type thing.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think Thanos is the puppet master behind some type of Annihilation Wave event in space.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing them take on Thanos and lose in the end and set up Avengers 2 where Thanos comes knocking on Earth's door. Though at the same time, it seems pretty lame that Avengers 2 would be another alien invasion type thing.

That's why I want Thanos to come solo. No cloned henchmen cuz he surely doesn't need them. I think that'll help his attack stand out from the alien invasion we got in the first Avengers movie.

[Darthphere]

I think that may happen, especially with the Infinith Gauntlet if it makes an appearance.

[Captain Marvel]

I'm hoping my personal theory of Thanos not being a villain but a pseudoally pans out. It wouldn't exactly be unprecedented. Not to mention that using him as an ally allows them to show off how badass Thanos is without having him kick the crap out of the Guardians of the Galaxy. I could see Thanos teaming up with them to deal with a threat like the Universal Church of Truth or some other enemy, particularly if that enemy is in possession of an Infinity Gem, and he needs help in order to wrest control of that gem away from its owner. That, IMO, would be an ideal way to go about things.

[Darthphere]

Interesting. Never thought of that really. Good idea.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think that may happen, especially with the Infinith Gauntlet if it makes an appearance.

The gauntlet was in Odin's trophy room right? Not that that little Easter Egg matters, just askin.

I'm hoping my personal theory of Thanos not being a villain but a pseudoally pans out. It wouldn't exactly be unprecedented. Not to mention that using him as an ally allows them to show off how badass Thanos is without having him kick the crap out of the Guardians of the Galaxy. I could see Thanos teaming up with them to deal with a threat like the Universal Church of Truth or some other enemy, particularly if that enemy is in possession of an Infinity Gem, and he needs help in order to wrest control of that gem away from its owner. That, IMO, would be an ideal way to go about things.

Those guys and the Badoon would be awesome to see.

[psylockolussus]

I'll save Thanos for Marvel's The Avengers 2.

[LegendAssemble]

The Avengers worked so well because we weren't introduced really to people we didn't already know aside from Hawkeye (whos cameo in thor doesn't really count). Make no mistake the formula will continue. Thanos=Loki /Infinity Gauntlet=Cosmic Cube respectively. The build up is what made the Avengers work so well.

[Chewy]

I'll save Thanos for Marvel's The Avengers 2.
He raised Gamora and he's the reason Drax exists. At the very least he'll be a supporting character here.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Latino Review said he's he main villain

[jonathancrane]

Well, to br fair, LR says a lot of things.

[Darthphere]

They also said Nova was going to be in this and while I believe that will eventually be the case as of right now, it's not.

[jaqua99]

I say he should be mentioned and involved, but not the direct threat to the Guardians. If they defeat Thanos before Avengers 2, then Thanos looks weaker. If the Guardians lose, the film probably thematically suffers and ends up solely as an Avengers 2 lead up with little purpose.

I say sort of go the Thanos Imperative route with him.

btw, i have been waiting for this thread for a LONGGGGGGGGGg time :woot:

[jaqua99]

I think Thanos is the puppet master behind some type of Annihilation Wave event in space.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing them take on Thanos and lose in the end and set up Avengers 2 where Thanos comes knocking on Earth's door. Though at the same time, it seems pretty lame that Avengers 2 would be another alien invasion type thing.

See what I think, when Thanos does have his movie as the BIG BAD. It won't be an Earth attack.

I think it will be more of The Avengers being the ones, with the help of Warlock (hopefully he's introduced at that point) trying to stop him from destroying the universe, or wiping out life.

because
1. I will be disappointed if Thanos' goals in the end are just to destroy earth.

2. We already know he is going to operate on a universal scale. I don't understand why everyone thinks he is going to take over the earth, or try to.

Remember the beginning of the Avengers? When The Other was talking to him about Loki and the Tesseract?

"The world will be his, and the UNIVERSE, yours" This is going over everyone's heads apparently

I don't know about you guys, but to me, that makes it clear that when he is the main villain in an avengers, it won't be another earth story.

[Darthphere]

I don't see the Avengers going into space though and that's what you're talking about would require.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I don't see the Avengers going into space though and that's what you're talking about would require.

Avengers 2 should take place in many worlds IMO

[Panther X]

So, this has been out for a while now, but Damion Poitier was the dude who played Thanos at the end of the Avengers. If the character is to be featured more prominently in GotG, is it likely for him to get replaced with a bigger name or will they decide to keep him (for the mocap at least)?

I think they should keep him on, he has a sort of Thonos-y look about him, if that's possible. :woot:

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[Darthphere]

Avengers 2 should take place in many worlds IMO

Not happening.

[jaqua99]

Not happening.

I forgot, you work for marvel :P

And I would be shocked if every avengers movie stays on earth. Shocked.

Thanos is not an Earth character. He operates on a universal scale. If him as the villain means him attacking Earth, (which most likely wont happen anyway), it would not do the character justice, at all.

[Darthphere]

Why would you be shocked? I honestly can't imagine Captain America in space in the movieverse. They're Earth's Mightiest Heroes for God's sake.

[Darthphere]

It's not like I'm against it, it's just not something I see as realistically happening.

[jaqua99]

Why would you be shocked? I honestly can't imagine Captain America in space in the movieverse. They're Earth's Mightiest Heroes for God's sake.

Because its Thanos. Like I said, he operates on such a huge scale, Earth WILL NOT be the only threat when he is the primary villain. It won't.

Thanos' plans operate on such a huge scale, with all the build up that he has going for him in the universe, I don't see his big climax being an attack on Earth with the infinity gauntlet. do you know anything about Thanos?

I can totally see them setting it up where the Avengers, aka Earth's Mightiest Heroes are the only ones capable of saving the Universe from Thanos.

Read the Infinity Gauntlet Saga. You know where Captain America was in that?

in space.

I completely expect Thanos' climax in a movie to involve much bigger stakes than just the Earth, and if Joss Whedon sticks around to direct, he won't give that character the shaft because it may seem weird to see Captain America in space.

[jaqua99]

It's not like I'm against it, it's just not something I see as realistically happening.

Oh I know what you are saying, I get what you mean, I am just the opposite, Earth being what is at stake when Thanos' climax in the movie verse happens, I don't see it realistically happening, he operates on such a big scale, there is no way I can see them limiting him just to an attack on Earth.

Not after him more than likely appearing in Guardians of the Galaxy, seeing the infinity gauntlet in Thor, and The Other saying, the universe will be his.

Not to mention the whole nature of his character

[Darthphere]

I agree with everything you're saying but it's just hard for me to imagine this Avengers team fighting the bad guy in space. I mean, it's a lot more likely that Thanos comes to Earth than The Avengers getting in a space ship to a distant planet somewhere. Plus you have to consider that half the team are regular humans and in Cap's case superhuman but can't breathe in space.

Of course they can always go to a planet where they can breathe and such....I'm actually coming around on this idea lol.

[jaqua99]

I agree with everything you're saying but it's just hard for me to imagine this Avengers team fighting the bad guy in space. I mean, it's a lot more likely that Thanos comes to Earth than The Avengers getting in a space ship to a distant planet somewhere. Plus you have to consider that half the team are regular humans and in Cap's case superhuman but can't breathe in space.

Of course they can always go to a planet where they can breathe and such....I'm actually coming around on this idea lol.

yeah haha. Doesn't have to be literally IN SPACE. I mean, it WILL take place on Earth, but not JUST on earth, and I think his scale will be much bigger than the earth

[cherokeesam]

I don't see the Avengers going into space though and that's what you're talking about would require.

At least one Avenger has already gone into space in the first film. And if you buy into the concept that Thor is really an alien from another planet, then that's *two* Avengers in Space already.

Why would you be shocked? I honestly can't imagine Captain America in space in the movieverse. They're Earth's Mightiest Heroes for God's sake.

....Maybe because well over half of all Avenger stories have taken place on other planets and in other dimensions and other timescapes....? :huh: Not that hard to figure out....Avengers has always been about otherworldly adventures.

[Darthphere]

In the comics yeah. I'm just saying, it would be harder to pull off on film. Not impossible, just harder.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Why would you be shocked? I honestly can't imagine Captain America in space in the movieverse. They're Earth's Mightiest Heroes for God's sake.

Teams don't always have to play at home.

[Darthphere]

Also, wouldn't sending the Avengers into space kind of undermine the whole point of the Guardians?

[M-2]

Also, wouldn't sending the Avengers into space kind of undermine the whole point of the Guardians?

Im hoping they save Thanos for Avengers 3.... He is the ultimate Avenger villain, and by Avengers 3, there will probably be a few more additions to the squad, and a few other superheroes one in the MCU, so when they take on Thanos, you have GOTG, The Avengers, and maybe Heroes for Hire or even the Defenders... Or just other heroes or SHIELD agents that's not part of the Avengers...

And hopefully we get the military of the world trying to bomb the ***** out of Thanos

[TheVileOne]

It will be interesting to see how Thanos figures in here based off his presence in Avengers and how it leads into Avengers.

I mean . . . one imagines the Guardians and Avengers won't interact in an Avengers sequel. I mean . . . that would be way too many characters. The Guardians aren't going to be Avengers you know? So chances are all the stories will be kept separate.

But if the expectation is that Thanos will be a future Avengers movie villain, doesn't that basically mean the Guardians will have to fail?

[Captain Marvel]

Not if Thanos is used as a pseudoally or a behind-the-scenes figure in their movie.

[TheVileOne]

But won't the movie want to formally introduce Thanos?

[Captain Marvel]

He can be formally introduced just as easily as an ally or a behind-the-scenes mover whom the Guardians don't directly interact with (save for maybe Gamora).

[Rowsdower!]

So, this has been out for a while now, but Damion Poitier was the dude who played Thanos at the end of the Avengers. If the character is to be featured more prominently in GotG, is it likely for him to get replaced with a bigger name or will they decide to keep him (for the mocap at least)?

I think they should keep him on, he has a sort of Thonos-y look about him, if that's possible. :woot:

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Is it just me or does this guy look like a photoshop mash-up of Chris Tucker and Michael Vick?

[Avenger]

I like the idea of Thanos "working with" the Guardians, but actually manipulating them into doing his dirty work while he steals an Infinity Gem right out from under their noses. That'd be a great lead-in to TA2.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Is it just me or does this guy look like a photoshop mash-up of Chris Tucker and Michael Vick?

You're totally right, lol

[Chewy]

There's something about his eyes that freaks me out a bit

[KangConquers]

Earth is beneath Thanos. The only way he would come here is to destroy us, not to invade us.

[Captain Marvel]

And if he has the Infinity Gauntlet then he doesn't have to show up on Earth in person. He can do his killing from the comfort of his own home.

[Chewy]

He has to come to Earth. Just thematically speaking, if he's obsessed with death and with the Avengers he'd want to see their deaths first hand

[jaqua99]

But if The Gauntlet is in the MCU, which it is, and if there is an Infinity Gauntlet type story, which it will be, in the comics, its of SUCH power, that it can't be down graded THAT much, to make him just want to come and kill the avengers.

When Thanos is involved, it IS going to be on a much bigger scale, we already know his scale will be universal. It was said so in the first film lol

Where ever it takes place, its more than likely going to be about the Avengers trying to stop Thanos from destroying the universe, or something. To have a Thanos movie, where he wields the gauntlet, and then just have it be him trying to destroy earth, or kill the avengers..well,

personally as a BIG Thanos fan, that is just a slap in the face. And I am sorry if I am the only one who feels that way. Don't mean to be the party pooper

[cherokeesam]

But if The Gauntlet is in the MCU, which it is, and if there is an Infinity Gauntlet type story, which it will be, in the comics, its of SUCH power, that it can't be down graded THAT much, to make him just want to come and kill the avengers.

When Thanos is involved, it IS going to be on a much bigger scale, we already know his scale will be universal. It was said so in the first film lol

Where ever it takes place, its more than likely going to be about the Avengers trying to stop Thanos from destroying the universe, or something. To have a Thanos movie, where he wields the gauntlet, and then just have it be him trying to destroy earth, or kill the avengers..well,

personally as a BIG Thanos fan, that is just a slap in the face. And I am sorry if I am the only one who feels that way. Don't mean to be the party pooper

You're not the only one who feels that way. :)
Thanos has much, MUCH broader vision beyond the Earth and its Mightiest Heroes. Death isn't impressed with him just wiping out a whole planet....*any* generic megavillain can do that.

[Chewy]

Maybe they have the Avengers protecting one of the gems on Earth. Idk. He clearly takes a personal interest in them and Earth, given the coda.

All I know is that any Avengers film has to be focused squarely on the Avengers themselves. You make it universal and you make them cogs in the machine and structurally, thematically it's not their movie any more, it's Thanos's. The movie didn't work because it was about a team called the Avengers, the movie worked because it was about Iron Man and Captain America and Hulk and Thor.

Which isn't to say they can't go to space at some point during the movie.

[jaqua99]

You're not the only one who feels that way. :)
Thanos has much, MUCH broader vision beyond the Earth and its Mightiest Heroes. Death isn't impressed with him just wiping out a whole planet....*any* generic megavillain can do that.

Exactly.

Maybe they have the Avengers protecting one of the gems on Earth. Idk. He clearly takes a personal interest in them and Earth, given the coda.

All I know is that any Avengers film has to be focused squarely on the Avengers themselves. You make it universal and you make them cogs in the machine and structurally, thematically it's not their movie any more, it's Thanos's. The movie didn't work because it was about a team called the Avengers, the movie worked because it was about Iron Man and Captain America and Hulk and Thor.

Which isn't to say they can't go to space at some point during the movie.

The point is, the movie can focus on the avengers without the threat being JUST earth. People seem to not grasp that concept.

They are using Thanos, the scale HAS to be huge. That is his character. They are not going to have him just attack Earth. It's Thanos The Mad Titan for christ's sake. All his schemes involve death on a universal scale, basically.

And what makes you think he has taken a personal interest in the avengers and Earth?

Lets take a look at what he got here. Loki meets Thanos. We know what Thanos wants at the time is the tesseract, now, for whatever reason, we don't know, whether he wants it in asgard so he can get there to take the gauntlet, Don't know. But The Other and Thanos give Loki the army, and the scepter to take over earth, in exchange for the tesseract. At this point, the only interest he has in Earth is that the tesseract there.
Fast forward, and Loki is defeated. The humans of earth, and their heroes defeated him. Was this apart of Thanos' plan? He used Loki's arrogance and anger to set him up for failure, thus getting the tesseract back to asgard. Mere speculation. The Other informs Thanos of Loki's failure, and that to challenge Earth is to court death. Thanos then smiles.

Now to me, that smile doesn't mean that he is interested in attacking earth. Especially when we know he wants something much bigger. Why abandon something big, to just attack Earth?
The reasons for that grin can be multiple things.

1. Sure, he wants to attack earth, given what little we know about him and The Other, I find this very unlikely.

2. They are more powerful than I thought, I could use a good challenge in my quest to destroy life

3. Fear not, although our Ally failed, everything is actually going according to plan, and I am currently not worried about the threat of the so-called avengers.

It can be anything, so to say that he seems to have a strong interest in Earth, just doesn't sound right, especially since all we know about him is that he smiled at the word, and that the other seems to think that he wants to basically own the universe, "The world will be his, the universe, yours, and the Humans, what can they do, but burn". Given that, and given what we know about the character of Thanos himself, I am MORE THAN WILLING to give him the benefit of the doubt and go ahead and say, he doesn't have a direct interest in Earth itself, other than the fact that that they may try to stop him in his quest for death/universal domination.

The movie can take place everywhere, where it is known at the point of the movie that Thanos' goal is destroy life, not just simply Earth. It can still center around the avengers, even though they are trying to stop him.
Also, who is to say they can't make an ally? Such as Drax, and Warlock? With their help, just two other people, it can still be about the avengers, trying to stop Thanos from destroying all life, or ruling the universe, whatever they chose his motive to be.

The point is, it can work. Now, Thanos has been introduced. Given what we know about the character, his goal won't be to just attack earth and beat the avengers. It wont. They can't. Like I previously said, doing so would be a HUGE slap in the face and a let down to any big fan of the character.

I'd be willing to bet, regardless of where the avengers go, who else is in the movie, regardless of all that, Thanos' motive WILL be on a universal scale. Period.

[Chewy]

E1. Sure, he wants to attack earth, given what little we know about him and The Other, I find this very unlikely.

2. They are more powerful than I thought, I could use a good challenge in my quest to destroy life

3. Fear not, although our Ally failed, everything is actually going according to plan, and I am currently not worried about the threat of the so-called avengers.
I'm not saying the first. I'm saying the second.

Yes Thanos has greater aspirations beyond just destroying the Earth. But within said aspirations there's time to make a point of destroying the Earth in person. They defeated his army, they nuked one of his warships, and he smiled when he was told that to challenge them was to court death.

It's not a giant leap in logic that he wants to destroy them in person. And with a fully gemmed gauntlet it would take him a second to get to Earth. Not arduous.

[jaqua99]

I'm not saying the first. I'm saying the second.

Yes Thanos has greater aspirations beyond just destroying the Earth. But within said aspirations there's time to make a point of destroying the Earth in person. They defeated his army, they nuked one of his warships, and he smiled when he was told that to challenge them was to court death.

It's not a giant leap in logic that he wants to destroy them in person. And with a fully gemmed gauntlet it would take him a second to get to Earth. Not arduous.

I agree, but I just feel his plan to destroy all life will probably flourish. I mean, if his aspirations are THAT big, his story can't end with his ultimate defeat being on Earth. Sure, he could go there, as long as he defeats them temporarily and more happens after. I would want to see him come close to his goal. Something big, some big level of destruction, or close to it, we haven't seen in a comic book movie yet. And the climax of the story would be the avengers try to stop him in a last bit effort to save the universe, opposed to the climax being Thanos attacking the avengers, during his quest.

[Captain Marvel]

It's not a giant leap in logic that he wants to destroy them in person. And with a fully gemmed gauntlet it would take him a second to get to Earth. Not arduous.

With a fully gemmed gauntlet he doesn't need to get to Earth. He can snap his fingers and wipe out all existence. Why would he care about facing them in person? If Thanos gets the gauntlet then the fight will have to come to him.

[Chewy]

With a fully gemmed gauntlet he doesn't need to get to Earth. He can snap his fingers and wipe out all existence. Why would he care about facing them in person? If Thanos gets the gauntlet then the fight will have to come to him.
Of course he doesn't need to, power-wise. But in terms of making the story relevant to the Avengers and the Avengers relevant to the story, he does.

[Captain Marvel]

That's not the only way to make it relevant to the Avengers, particularly if they knew beforehand that he was after the Infinity Gems, or if he did something afterwards (like, I don't know, wiping out half of all life on Earth with a snap of his fingers) which'll attract their attention. There's plenty they could do storywise to make the Avengers want to go after Thanos that doesn't involve Thanos pointlessly showing up on Earth.

[Chewy]

Well first of all, Marvel is not going to put out a movie where a character wipes out half of all life on Earth. lol

That said, it's not pointless. They defeated his army, they nuked one of his warships. His lieutenant told him not to take them lightly. Even if he doesn't take that thought seriously (and presumably he doesn't), he'll want them to know they trifled with the wrong being, and he'll want to prove to his men that the Avengers are nothing to him. He'll likely think of it as not much more than a pitstop on his death lap, but one he'll enjoy.

Or Marvel could just have one of the gems be stashed on or brought to Earth. Which would allow him to do all of the above while adding an extra layer of motivation on top of pettiness.

[Captain Marvel]

That was an example based on the Infinity Gauntlet comic series, in which he did kill off all life on Earth. The power of the Infinity Gems was then used to undo that act, so those people didn't stay dead.

As for the rest, Thanos wouldn't care what the Avengers think or what his men (who're obviously completely disposable) would think. Particularly once he has infinite power. The only being whose opinion he cares about is Lady Death's. He doesn't give a flip about imagined score cards.

[jaqua99]

I can see him attacking the Avengers, but thats it. He attacks them, and beats them down, to basically show them that he is their superior. Like Chewy said, it can be a pit stop. But more has to happen after. The story can still be relevant to the avengers without him being the one to attack earth just to prove something.

If it comes down to The Avengers are the only ones who can stop Thanos, how is that not about them?

Like I said, yes, it is an Avengers movie, but they are not going to do the character of Thanos a disservice that much by simply having his climax be to attack the earth, and have his story end there. Something bigger will happen. They are building something big, with the gauntlet, with guardians, and with his general telling him the universe will be his. With all that built up, they aren't going to have him stopping to take on the avengers, be the story that's told on screen.

He has big plans, then attacks the avengers for the heck of it to prove something, then looses, and that's it? It will have to keep going. They will learn of his plans probably after, or when he gets the gauntlet and then they go after him to save the universe.

that is still an Avengers story

Whenever the avengers go against Thanos, the reason should not be because of them or the earth, it should be because the universe is in trouble

[Chewy]

That was an example based on the Infinity Gauntlet comic series, in which he did kill off all life on Earth. The power of the Infinity Gems was then used to undo that act, so those people didn't stay dead.

As for the rest, Thanos wouldn't care what the Avengers think or what his men (who're obviously completely disposable) would think. Particularly once he has infinite power. The only being whose opinion he cares about is Lady Death's. He doesn't give a flip about imagined score cards.
Look, I get who Thanos is and what he cares about in the comics. You don't have to tell me. But in terms of making him a memorable character to audiences, in terms of making him the ultimate villain in the Marvel film universe, he needs to have some connection to the heroes. It can't be one-sided. Otherwise he's a plot point, and not a great one.

I have no doubt Whedon will handle him superbly.

[Chewy]

I can see him attacking the Avengers, but thats it. He attacks them, and beats them down, to basically show them that he is their superior. Then more happens after The story can still be relevant to the avengers without it being on Earth.

If it comes down to The Avengers are the only ones who can stop Thanos, how is that not about them?

Like I said, yes, it is an Avengers movie, but they are not going to do the character of Thanos a disservice that much by simply having his climax be to attack the earth, and have his story end there. Something bigger will happen.
I never said his climax would be attacking the Earth. Just that, at some point, he has to visit the Earth. Even if it's just to, say, retrieve one of the gems and beat the snot out of the Avengers. And then go back into space, to prepare to wipe out half the universe.

[jaqua99]

I never said his climax would be attacking the Earth. Just that, at some point, he has to visit the Earth. Even if it's just to, say, retrieve one of the gems and beat the snot out of the Avengers. And then go back into space, to prepare to wipe out half the universe.

oh, okay then. Then I completely agree with you then haha.

I thought you meant that he was going to attack the avengers, and that was going to be it, in terms of his story and climax being told on screen.

Since I miss understood, what I expect is that for him to just take on all the avengers, and then his plan will continue, and the avengers will THEN have to stop him from destroying the universe, or whatever he is going to do. This is basically more or less what you are saying then? cause if it is, we are on thee same page haha.

I thought you just meant that he has his plan, he stops, and then comes to earth and fights the avengers, and his story becomes simply an avengers/earth vs thanos story, straying away from him trying to destroy the universe. gotcha

[jaqua99]

Look, I get who Thanos is and what he cares about in the comics. You don't have to tell me. But in terms of making him a memorable character to audiences, in terms of making him the ultimate villain in the Marvel film universe, he needs to have some connection to the heroes. It can't be one-sided. Otherwise he's a plot point, and not a great one.

I have no doubt Whedon will handle him superbly.

that's assuming whedon comes back :/ here's hoping he does

[Chewy]

He always talks about how much he loved Thanos as a kid. And he's the one who decided to have Thanos in TA. I'm pretty sure he'll come back.

And having recently watched Buffy for the first time, the thought of Whedon writing a Thanos arc makes me all tingly :)

[jaqua99]

He always talks about how much he loved Thanos as a kid. And he's the one who decided to have Thanos in TA. I'm pretty sure he'll come back.

And having recently watched Buffy for the first time, the thought of Whedon writing a Thanos arc makes me all tingly :)

So you think the whole "I have not decided on filming Avengers 2 yet..." and the whole undecided thing is just him playing the Holywood game?

I think he needs to direct it. The man clearly knows what makes a comic book movie work...clearly. Having someone else direct it would give me the same feeling I had when I read the first Thanos comic Jim Starlin didn't write.

I know Whedon loved Thanos and his favorite story ark was the death warlock. Hopefully we get both of them. Avengers AND Warlock stopping Thanos is the best thing that could be done.

I think Whedon will be back. gah, so many more years down the road

[Chewy]

Haha yeah. He probably wants to do something of his own first, since he could get funding for just about anything right now

[jaqua99]

He sure could.

So thoughts guys?

Infinity Gauntlet, when will we first know about it, and when will Thanos obtain it?

[cherokeesam]

He sure could.

So thoughts guys?

Infinity Gauntlet, when will we first know about it, and when will Thanos obtain it?

Honestly, I hope Thanos (or at least The Other) next appears in the prologue of Thor: The Dark World. That is such a perfect setup at the end of Avengers, and could lead directly to the start of TDW. Even if Thanos isn't able to get the Gauntlet right away, there should at least be the matter of Thanos or The Other coming to collect that debt from Loki, as promised....

[jaqua99]

I agree. I was just doing a google search, and I stumbled upon an article someone wrote, from..."the site" on how they think the MCU will pan out. Personally, I don't think it will pan out AT ALL like this guy wrote, but its still an interesting read, and would love for it to play out this way, given some tweaks of course.

now I can't link the site, so I'll just post the article

Let's think. You're Marvel. You have just made cinematic history by bringing together a multi-franchise cast of characters to gather in one film, Marvel's The Avengers. What should you do now? Making an Marvel's The Avengers 2 is invertible but is it all of Phase 2? Lets see what we can piece together.



Naturally most of you have heard about a little film called Guardians Of The Galaxy by now. As announced at the last SDCC, Guardians Of The Galaxy is headed to a theater near you in 2014. Okay, so this means that Peter Quill, Rocket Raccoon, Drax, Gamora, and Groot are all going to appear in Marvel's The Avengers 2? No, of course not, that's silly and stupid. But if you take it that Marvel Cinematic Universe is framed around the Avengers that's what you'd have to think. Marvel's The Avengers 2 already will have its hands full of characters it needs to add to the roaster, with Ant-Man (Scott Lang), Giant Man (Hank Pym), Wasp (Janet van Dyne), Ms Marvel (Carol Danvers), Black Panther (T'Challa), and Vision, being just a few of the fan favorites and some of the more famous Avengers. But what if the Avengers are only part of the story? What if they aren't the biggest story in Phase 2?



The first time I started thinking this way, I was wondering how they could sum up the whole Infinity Gauntlet story arc in an Avengers film. The conclusion I finally came up with was, they couldn't. The Avengers alone would be so out gunned by Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet it would be ridiculous, even throwing the Guardians of the Galaxy in there it wouldn't add to the threat much. More on that later. So is Marvel either going to do a half-cooked adaption of the Infinity Gauntlet or are their plans bigger than The Avengers?


I then thought of Inhumans. There has been some talk about doing an Inhumans movie for some time. Now before you say Inhumans are dumb characters I recommend you read this story arc here (http://www.amazon.com/Inhumans-TPB-Paul-Jenkins/dp/0785107533). You don't need any prior knowledge of the characters etc. that story arc will introduce them to you and show you why they're interesting. Kevin Feige has stated many times that these characters were possible candidates for their own film. And according to It'sOnTheGrid (http://badassdigest.com/2011/03/07/marvel-is-bringing-the-inhumans-to-the-big-screen) the story synopsis is thus.

Aliens who were put on Earth as sleeper cell aliens to eventually call back their race to take over the planet. Ultimately, the group of aliens fully assimilates and don’t want to cause war.

Obviously the story has been somewhat changed in this synopsis but I would say that it would fit nicely in the MCU this way and done right, it could be a better adaption to their very confusing origin story. It would give good ways to introduce the Kree, possibly have Captain Marvel play a part in it and/or have a Ms Marvel cameo as her origin story is very Kree based.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070529122628/marveldatabase/images/7/75/Dr_Strange_%28by_Gabriele_Dell%27Otto%29_1.jpg

My next thoughts were, “Well what about all the movies for Doctor Strange, Iron Fist, Namor, Nova and even the possibility of a new Incredible Hulk movie?” They have all been talked about by Marvel, so what do they have in common? Well, let's think. Do they belong to a team? Yes, The Defenders.



Building the franchise not unlike Marvel's The Avengers, with each character having their own solo movie, then building up to a team movie, would be the best direction to go with these characters. Who would be the villain for all the Defenders to team up against? Annihilus. They could do an adaption from the Annihilation story arc with Annihilus trying to take over the Galaxy, and having Nova (Richard Rider) becoming the last of the Nova corps. This type of story would easily fit the sort of haphazard like team the Defenders are. Because they are not really a team, they're more just people thrown together at the last minute to defend us.



Now, if Marvel is going ahead with all these team films, what is their plan? Now, I think would be a good time to talk about Thanos. Yes, this is where I think the MCU is headed. How can Marvel do the Infinity Gauntlet story arc? Build up all these teams, then have the teams team up against a threat to the Universe. What I mean is an adaption of the Infinity Gauntlet story arc which would bring the Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Inhumans, and the Defenders together in a team up of teams which would be in a two part movie.

Need more explanation? Here is what I'm guessing is the big picture line up of the MCU.

2008
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk

2010
Iron Man

2011
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger

2012
Marvel's The Avengers

2013
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World

2014
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Ant-Man

2015
Black Panther
The Incredible Hulk 2
Marvel's The Avengers 2

2016
Doctor Strange
Inhumans
Namor

2017
Iron Fist
Nova

2018
The Defenders

2019
The Infinity Gauntlet Part 1

2020
The Infinity Gauntlet Part 2

This is what I could see happening. This would give plenty of time to see more of Thanos, to build his character and his story before he gets the Gauntlet. It would also give enough time to introduce most if not all the needed characters by the time the Infinity Gauntlet movies came around.
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[Chewy]

That article is a perfect example of why we shouldn't link to that site :oldrazz:

Putting the world building above the characters, the exact problem Marvel must do everything in their power to avoid. The universe Marvel is building is fun but if you lose sight of the actual characters at its heart, in favor of stuffing as many teams into a film as possible, you produce one hell of a cluster****

[jaqua99]

That article is a perfect example of why we shouldn't link to that site :oldrazz:

Putting the world building above the characters, the exact problem Marvel must do everything in their power to avoid. The universe Marvel is building is fun but if you lose sight of the actual characters at its heart, in favor of stuffing as many teams into a film as possible, you produce one hell of a cluster****

Agreed. If they do an infinity gauntlet type story, I think it is save to say that, like Sam said, in the MCU the big story with the IG already happened, hence it being in Odin's treasure room right now. It will probably be of Thanos trying to take it back, and wanting to destroy life with it or something.

All these characters aren't necessary. With the avengers we got now, with the addition of maybe say, 2 or 3 more, and then throwing warlock in there, and maybe one or two members from the guardians, that is more than enough people to get a Thanos IG story going for the big screen. Comics are comics.

[Chewy]

I still feel like that's too many. Maybe the Avengers we have now, 1 new one, and 2 or 3 of the Guardians. If you have Groot turn into a sapling at the end of this one (or maybe a sequel) and kill off/dimensional trap one of Star-Lord or Drax, that'd be perfect.

IMO a more reasonable/realistic schedule would be something like:

2013: Iron Man 3, Thor TDW
2014: Cap TWS, GotGalaxy, Ant-Man
2015: The Avengers 2
2016: Thor 3 (Surtur Saga please), Dr Strange
2017: Black Panther, GotGalaxy: Annihilation
2018: The Avengers: Infinity

with Ant-Man, Black Panther and Dr Strange maybe not showing up outside their movies just yet, but still being set in the MCU

[cherokeesam]

I still feel like that's too many. Maybe the Avengers we have now, 1 new one, and 2 or 3 of the Guardians. If you have Groot turn into a sapling at the end of this one (or maybe a sequel) and kill off/dimensional trap one of Star-Lord or Drax, that'd be perfect.

IMO a more reasonable/realistic schedule would be something like:

2013: Iron Man 3, Thor TDW
2014: Cap TWS, GotGalaxy, Ant-Man
2015: The Avengers 2
2016: Thor 3 (Surtur Saga please), Dr Strange
2017: Black Panther, GotGalaxy: Annihilation
2018: The Avengers: Infinity

with Ant-Man, Black Panther and Dr Strange maybe not showing up outside their movies just yet, but still being set in the MCU

I dunno; I seriously see at least one more movie in 2015 with TA2; or even two (or three) solo films in 2015, with TA2 getting pushed back to 2016. And I'd be willing to bet that Dr. Strange winds up being one of those movies pre-TA2 that hasn't been announced yet....and then we see Dr. Strange join the battle against Thanos. Because the Avengers (and the MCU in general) are seriously, SERIOUSLY going to need Dr. Strange for that battle; even if Adam Warlock shows up.

[Chewy]

Eh it's not like the addition of Dr Strange will actually make a difference either way against an all-powerful being. They aren't going to beat him with brute strength.

And Marvel isn't going to push back an Avengers sequel to make 2 or 3 movies that, combined, won't net them as much cash as said sequel will all on its lonesome

[KangConquers]

And Marvel isn't going to push back an Avengers sequel to make 2 or 3 movies that, combined, won't net them as much cash as said sequel will all on its lonesome

Exactly...if you dangle the carrot too long, people will start to lose interest.

All of these other films are setup for Avengers 2; As fanboys, we might see them as more, but the fact is in terms of dollar signs, this whole Cinematic Universe exists to serve the Avengers films. They're not going to delay their top ticket just to pedal a couple of b-listers.

3 years is a perfect amount of time to work on Avengers 2.

[jaqua99]

I still feel like that's too many. Maybe the Avengers we have now, 1 new one, and 2 or 3 of the Guardians. If you have Groot turn into a sapling at the end of this one (or maybe a sequel) and kill off/dimensional trap one of Star-Lord or Drax, that'd be perfect.

IMO a more reasonable/realistic schedule would be something like:

2013: Iron Man 3, Thor TDW
2014: Cap TWS, GotGalaxy, Ant-Man
2015: The Avengers 2
2016: Thor 3 (Surtur Saga please), Dr Strange
2017: Black Panther, GotGalaxy: Annihilation
2018: The Avengers: Infinity

with Ant-Man, Black Panther and Dr Strange maybe not showing up outside their movies just yet, but still being set in the MCU

Well I feel like having Drax would be a necessity. 5 or 6 Avengers, plus drax, and Warlock. I would like that. I think Warlock NEEDS to happen. Given his relationship with the titan, it would be SO PERFECT.

I want a Surtur saga as well, Ragnarok. I had a dream last night about Surtur haha.

and yes, not sure of a title for Avengers 2, maybe just Avengers 2.

But I think Avengers 3 would look great as, Avengers: The Infinity Gauntlet

I dunno; I seriously see at least one more movie in 2015 with TA2; or even two (or three) solo films in 2015, with TA2 getting pushed back to 2016. And I'd be willing to bet that Dr. Strange winds up being one of those movies pre-TA2 that hasn't been announced yet....and then we see Dr. Strange join the battle against Thanos. Because the Avengers (and the MCU in general) are seriously, SERIOUSLY going to need Dr. Strange for that battle; even if Adam Warlock shows up.

I can see that too, more so movies being with Avengers 2. Sam, are you still of the idea that Avengers 2 and 3 going to be Thanos stories?

[Eddie Dean]

You gotta go big for Thanos... like this guy big -

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee480/MattImageMan/ArnoldSchwarzeneggerGrandOpeningRobertBsoRIHFiPzkl .jpg

[Chewy]

Everyone chill

[Eddie Dean]

Seriously, he'd kick some ice as Thanos.

[JB-the-Hunter]

ejqbg-2IPnA

[jaqua99]

Attention! The Official Thanos clip has been released by marvel!

Good quality!

here it isejqbg-2IPnA

edit: ah, I was beat to the punch

[JB-the-Hunter]

Double the epicness

[jaqua99]

Double the epicness

Sure is, and to triple it, LOOK AT MY AVY

[Chewy]

lol your avy is so dark, it's impossible to tell what it is

[cherokeesam]

I like how Thanos' hand is bare in the clip.
...Can't imagine why. :oldrazz:

[Captain Marvel]

...cause apparently there's only one glove in the entire universe that's his size.

Logic!

[jaqua99]

lol your avy is so dark, it's impossible to tell what it is


I SPENT AN HOUR TRYING TO MAKE THAT. lol it was the official video too

[Chewy]

Haha I'm not saying it's your work. Just that the video was too dark to make a gif where anything is visible

[cherokeesam]

...cause apparently there's only one glove in the entire universe that's his size.

Logic!

You're still in denial. :oldrazz:

[jaqua99]

Haha I'm not saying it's your work. Just that the video was too dark to make a gif where anything is visible

Well it was the official video, and weird. Because I have looked at it on 3 different computers, and I could see it fine on all of them :huh:

anyone else, can you make out my avy?

[Chewy]

I just realized who should play Thanos:

http://i.imgur.com/nzABX.jpg

:awesome:

[cherokeesam]

I just realized who should play Thanos:

http://i.imgur.com/nzABX.jpg

:awesome:

Is that Val Kilmer, or Vince Neil....? :oldrazz:

[Chewy]

Is there a difference anymore?

[KangConquers]

I still feel like that's too many. Maybe the Avengers we have now, 1 new one, and 2 or 3 of the Guardians. If you have Groot turn into a sapling at the end of this one (or maybe a sequel) and kill off/dimensional trap one of Star-Lord or Drax, that'd be perfect.

IMO a more reasonable/realistic schedule would be something like:

2013: Iron Man 3, Thor TDW
2014: Cap TWS, GotGalaxy, Ant-Man
2015: The Avengers 2
2016: Thor 3 (Surtur Saga please), Dr Strange
2017: Black Panther, GotGalaxy: Annihilation
2018: The Avengers: Infinity

with Ant-Man, Black Panther and Dr Strange maybe not showing up outside their movies just yet, but still being set in the MCU

No Cap 3?

[Chewy]

No Cap 3?
Right, forgot about Cap 3. Then replace either Strange or Panther with Cap 3, but the gist of it remains the same

[ares834]

TBH, I feel that the Thanos plot-line will play out by Avengers 2. Dragging it out for a decade and dozens of movies just doesn't seem like a smart move. Avengers 3's villain will probably be someone else like Kang, Ultron, or (if Marvel gets him) Galactus.

[Captain Marvel]

Avengers 3 is supposedly coming out in 2017, so we're talking five years, not a decade or more, and certainly not "dozens" of movies. And that's not very different than, say, waiting six years to see the Empire story resolve itself after the first Star Wars movie. IMO, it's a better move than introducing a threat that huge in the second movie and quickly doing away with it without a whole lot of buildup.

Nevermind that any of those villains would be a huge downgrade after having the Avengers fight Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. That'd be like having a Die Hard movie where John McClane saves the country from a terrorist threat, and then following it up with a sequel where he saves a neighborhood mall from robbers. Generally speaking, you want to increase the stakes as you go along, not decrease them.

[KangConquers]

Avengers 3 is supposedly coming out in 2017, so we're talking five years, not a decade or more, and certainly not "dozens" of movies. And that's not very different than, say, waiting six years to see the Empire story resolve itself after the first Star Wars movie. IMO, it's a better move than introducing a threat that huge in the second movie and quickly doing away with it without a whole lot of buildup.

Nevermind that any of those villains would be a huge downgrade after having the Avengers fight Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. That'd be like having a Die Hard movie where John McClane saves the country from a terrorist threat, and then following it up with a sequel where he saves a neighborhood mall from robbers. Generally speaking, you want to increase the stakes as you go along, not decrease them.


I have no idea where this 2017 rumor started, but I really don't think we'll see Avengers 3 that early. Feige implied they were looking at 3 year periods between Avengers films. I see Avengers 3 in 2018, with 2019 and 2020 being possible if they decide to do a 2 part epic (like so many franchises are doing to cap off their series.)

This would be especially effective if GOTG is a big hit; imagine the build up of a successful GoTG franchise, The Avengers franchise, and select solo franchises (Dr. Strange for example) coming to a head in an Infinity Gauntlet epic at the end of this decade.

[cherokeesam]

Avengers 3 is supposedly coming out in 2017, so we're talking five years, not a decade or more, and certainly not "dozens" of movies. And that's not very different than, say, waiting six years to see the Empire story resolve itself after the first Star Wars movie. IMO, it's a better move than introducing a threat that huge in the second movie and quickly doing away with it without a whole lot of buildup.

Nevermind that any of those villains would be a huge downgrade after having the Avengers fight Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. That'd be like having a Die Hard movie where John McClane saves the country from a terrorist threat, and then following it up with a sequel where he saves a neighborhood mall from robbers. Generally speaking, you want to increase the stakes as you go along, not decrease them.

No. No, you don't have to do that.
Nobody ever said you had to do that, except maybe Michael Bay.

People just want good stories from their sequels; they don't give a crap about how big the stakes are. James Bond goes from saving the universe in one film to stopping a heist in the next....people are still okay with that.

[jaqua99]

I have no idea where this 2017 rumor started, but I really don't think we'll see Avengers 3 that early. Feige implied they were looking at 3 year periods between Avengers films. I see Avengers 3 in 2018, with 2019 and 2020 being possible if they decide to do a 2 part epic (like so many franchises are doing to cap off their series.)

This would be especially effective if GOTG is a big hit; imagine the build up of a successful GoTG franchise, The Avengers franchise, and select solo franchises (Dr. Strange for example) coming to a head in an Infinity Gauntlet epic at the end of this decade.

It is not a rumor. To quote Kevin Fiege

"Marvel has a big cinematic event planned for 2017 or 2018"

Now what else could that be, besides an Infinity Gauntlet movie?

A big cinematic event

[KangConquers]

It is not a rumor. To quote Kevin Fiege

"Marvel has a big cinematic event planned for 2017 or 2018"


Hmmm. I imagine it will be the latter. That way they can squeeze out Cap and Thor threequels.




Now what else could that be, besides an Infinity Gauntlet movie?

A big cinematic event

To the chagrin of many, it could also be a Civil War film.

[jaqua99]

Hmmm. I imagine it will be the latter. That way they can squeeze out Cap and Thor threequels.




To the chagrin of many, it could also be a Civil War film.
GAG

please no

[KangConquers]

GAG

please no

I agree, but the general audience doesn't necessarily feel that way. If you ask most people to name a Marvel Event, it'll be Civil War.

Marvel feels strongly enough about it that they based a video game around it and like 3 years worth of comics. They obviously don't share our misgivings with the event.

[Chewy]

None of the superheroes in Avengers has a secret identity

Civil War, even as a basic concept, is completely irrelevant

[KangConquers]

None of the superheroes in Avengers has a secret identity

Civil War, even as a basic concept, is completely irrelevant

And you don't think the brain trust at Marvel could think of something else for them to go to war over?

[Chewy]

But then it's not the same thing at all, so what's the point?

I don't understand the point in the first place, so maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask, haha. A Cap vs Stark war movie just seems pointless and completely counter-intuitive to me

[KangConquers]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Marvel-President-Kevin-Feige-Talks-Iron-Man-3-Future-30706.html


I keep hoping, particularly with Maria Hill being introduced in this film, that somewhere down the line we might see a movie based on Mark Millar and Steve McNiven’s Civil War. Obviously that’s a large scale thing, but do you think it’s something that Marvel could ever possibly do?

With the Fantastic Four in it?

Even without, just the characters that you have.

Well, if you want the best, right? I love it. I don’t see it as a part two, but beyond that I think it could be great. That’s one of the best crossover events we’ve done.


Feige seems to like it.

[metaphysician]

I strongly, *strongly* hope they avoid Civil War like the plague. It was the worst story arc of recent Marvel memory.

[KangConquers]

I strongly, *strongly* hope they avoid Civil War like the plague. It was the worst story arc of recent Marvel memory.

I hope so too...just...when it happens...don't act surprised.

[ThePowerUp]

I'd like to see the Guardians and Thanos searching for the Infinity Gems. I know that's not how it is in comics, but having Thanos as a partner before he double crosses the team. Maybe...

[MovieMaster]

Interesting theories here. I think Thanos will be a background villain in Avengers 2, the guy pulling the strings. In my opinion, the Skrulls should be on Earth led by The Other. But this is NOT an invasion. Thanos seems to be interested in Earth, but why?

There's an Infinity Gem here.

Probably the Power Gem. Thor and Fury said that the events of TA signals Earth is ready for war, and Thanos will give them war. He's not interested in invading us, but he wants a Gem hidden here, maybe on Wakanda? Then for the finale I'd like to see Avengers vs Skrulls in space.

There were three statements/questions said in Avengers that not many people have picked up on. One is the 'higher form of war' and statement I previously mentioned. These are the others:

Why does Thanos need the Tesseract? It's common sense he is after the Gems but him doing an epic search for the Gems across the universe is way more dramatic and epic than him popping up in Asgard and snatching the most powerful object in existence. Therefore I think the Gauntlet there is a fake, retrieved by Odin from Thanos' first attempt at Infinity War and now he's trying it again, this time more prepared. Thanos will probably use the Tesseract to find the Gems.

Loki is going to die. The events of Thor 2 will have the greatest effect on A2, and as someone trying to write a script for that, it's extremely annoying. But, whether Thanos intended Loki to lose or not, both him and The Other want him dead. So I expect we'll see Loki killed in A2 or later.

But please, do NOT have IG as the plot for A3. It's far too big. Let them fight Ultron or whoever. Then have a separate two-parter or whatever for Infinity Gauntlet like all those other two-parters we're seeing right now.

[metaphysician]

Personally, if Loki is to die, I want him to die in Thor 3 fighting Surtur alongside the rest of Asgard.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Something my brain has been cooking up the past couple days. In the very first scene of The Avengers, the other says the following:

"The Tesseract has awakened. It is on a little world. A human world. They would wield its power, but our ally knows its workings as they never will."

So in another thread I was involved in a discussion regarding how the Tesseract powered Loki's scepter and therefore, as many would agree, powered the Mind Gem.

So those "workings" they are referring to may in fact have little to do with space portals and more to do with powering Infinity Gems. Is that why Thanos wants it? Sure using it to travel through space gathering the gems would be handy, but I'm sure he has a nice space cruiser for that. Maybe he literally needs the cube to power the gems.

Might that explain why the Mind Gem is the only one that is shiny in this image:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111006222135/marvelmovies/images/thumb/6/60/Infinity_Gauntlet_Thor_prop.jpg/366px-Infinity_Gauntlet_Thor_prop.jpg

[MovieMaster]

The Mind Gem isn't in the Scepter. He was just talking about them and Loki knowing how to use it as the humans don't.

[jaqua99]

yeah^

although, to quote the beginning of the movie

"the world will be his, the UNIVERSE, yours"

he was talking to Thanos. Yes, we know Thanos stands for the death of all things.

However, that quote tells me that he is going to operate on a universal scale. Meaning he is not going to set his plans aside, and go attack earth with the IG instead.

I think, whenever his climax occurs, it will be the avengers, and adam warlock, and drax, and whoever else trying to stop him from basically destroying the universe.

Also, I do want to see a massive display of power.

Maybe we can see him do something with the gauntlet, and we see like, a compilation of just destruction through out the universe. Maybe see some volcanos erupt on earth, people just blink out of existance (as homage) show different alien worlds and aliens panicking as things blow up. Zoom out, see planets exploding, stars, and even a galaxy blow up.

I'd like to see something like that. Shows the true stakes and the power of the infinity gauntlet.

[MovieMaster]

Well in the IG storyline (which I have in my hand) Thanos wipes out half the population of the entire universe, including a lot of heroes. Then he causes tons of tidal waves and earthquakes and other 'natural' disaesters on Earth, knocking it out of orbit, plunging us into a neverending ice age....



I think that would be cool to see.

[misjuevos]

it just sucks that there is no silver surfer. all this stuff happening without him.

[MovieMaster]

Ehhhh IDK. I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel and Disney went all out in trying to get a shared rights deal for FF.

[pr0xyt0xin]

The Mind Gem isn't in the Scepter. He was just talking about them and Loki knowing how to use it as the humans don't.

oh its not? where'd you hear that?

[Bren]

I really like the suggestions that Thanos be working 'with' the GOTG in their movie. I certainly believe some sentences uttered to him and a smile from Thanos is not enough before throwing him in Avengers 2.

A little challenge might be that we (the audience) already KNOWS he's a 'bad' guy to Earth based on allying himself with Loki and lending him an army to invade us.

But.... Emperor Palpatine and all that.........

[cherokeesam]

oh its not? where'd you hear that?

Where did you hear that it *was* powered by the Mind Gem? :dry:

Look, I don't entirely discount the possibility that the Mind Gem was in Loki's sceptre, but the burden of proof is on *you* and the Gem believers; since NOWHERE in the Avengers movie was the Gem mentioned, whereas the movie *did* specifically state that the Tesseract powered the sceptre.

So no, unless you've got actual proof to the contrary, the sceptre that Thanos gave Loki was *not* powered by any kind of Gem, but by the Tesseract.

[pr0xyt0xin]

NO duh. Its for the sake of conversation PURELY. And you might respond "Well I dont want to conversate about that." Then don't. The question wasn't directed toward people who aren't interested in the infinity gem theory.

90% of the discussions on this website are hypothetical. And never once did I claim my point was any more or less than that.

[Spider-Vader]

I really like the suggestions that Thanos be working 'with' the GOTG in their movie. I certainly believe some sentences uttered to him and a smile from Thanos is not enough before throwing him in Avengers 2.



I'm 110% sure that Thanos being set-up in GOTG is the main reason that it's being made.

[cherokeesam]

NO duh. Its for the sake of conversation PURELY. And you might respond "Well I dont want to conversate about that." Then don't. The question wasn't directed toward people who aren't interested in the infinity gem theory.

90% of the discussions on this website are hypothetical. And never once did I claim my point was any more or less than that.

When you asked the other poster, "Oh it's not? Where did you hear that?" it sounded pretty snarky. If that wasn't your intent, and it was an honest question, then I apologize for misreading it. Tone and context are difficult to read on the Internets.

[pr0xyt0xin]

When you asked the other poster, "Oh it's not? Where did you hear that?" it sounded pretty snarky. If that wasn't your intent, and it was an honest question, then I apologize for misreading it. Tone and context are difficult to read on the Internets.

He sounded pretty authoritative. I thought maybe he heard something I didn't. Seems like there is no definitive thus far. Seems like we can discuss whatever the heck we want until further notice.

No, no proof of the Mind Gem. No proof otherwise either.


I'm 110% sure that Thanos being set-up in GOTG is the main reason that it's being made.

Logical. Also, think of it the other way around. GotG is a good excuse to use Thanos, but Thanos is also a great excuse to set up an entirely new slew of characters. And the potential box office success that follows.

[MovieMaster]

Captain America: Let's start with that stick of his. It may be magical but it works an awful lot like a HYDRA weapon.

Nick Fury: I don't know about that, but it is powered by the cube.

Bruce Banner says it emits the same gamma signature as the Tesseract.

Can't think of any more.

[jaqua99]

Captain America: Let's start with that stick of his. It may be magical but it works an awful lot like a HYDRA weapon.

Nick Fury: I don't know about that, but it is powered by the cube.

Bruce Banner says it emits the same gamma signature as the Tesseract.

Can't think of any more.

I think fury is making the conclusion based on his observation that it is emitting the same gamma signature as the Tesseract. From the scientific method's stand point (yes, I just started school this week -_-) all it is, is a guess, a hypothesis based on his observation. If all we have to back up that it is powered by the Cube, is Nick Fury making that statement based off an observation, then sure, it could simply be an observation.

Humor me.

Now, while I don't believe it is the mind gem in the scepter, I am trying to see it from both sides. Who is to say the mind gem, or any of the gems for that matter, DONT emit the same radiation as the tesseract?

We don't know that they DON'T because the gems haven't officially been revealed in the MCU yet.
So with that being said, lets say the gems DO give off the same radiation as the Tesseract.

Based off what Fury has said, it can easily be guessed that, whatever that thing is in the scepter, is powered by the tesseract, when in fact, it isn't. It is just giving off the same radiation.

Now again, right now, I don't believe it is the mind gem.

However, based that dialogue, it seems like Fury draws that conclusion based on his observation, and that is just what it is, an observation, which lead to an assumption which hasn't been backed up.

Could I be reaching? Maybe, but the point is, there are points for either side.

So as of right now, anyone attacking someone of the other thoughts really shouldn't be doing so, because there really isn't anything to prove you are right, and they are wrong, since what has been said about the scepter is just based off an observation made by Fury

[MovieMaster]

I think fury is making the conclusion based on his observation that it is emitting the same gamma signature as the Tesseract. From the scientific method's stand point (yes, I just started school this week -_-) all it is, is a guess, a hypothesis based on his observation. If all we have to back up that it is powered by the Cube, is Nick Fury making that statement based off an observation, then sure, it could simply be an observation.

Humor me.

Now, while I don't believe it is the mind gem in the scepter, I am trying to see it from both sides. Who is to say the mind gem, or any of the gems for that matter, DONT emit the same radiation as the tesseract?

We don't know that they DON'T because the gems haven't officially been revealed in the MCU yet.
So with that being said, lets say the gems DO give off the same radiation as the Tesseract.

Based off what Fury has said, it can easily be guessed that, whatever that thing is in the scepter, is powered by the tesseract, when in fact, it isn't. It is just giving off the same radiation.

Now again, right now, I don't believe it is the mind gem.

However, based that dialogue, it seems like Fury draws that conclusion based on his observation, and that is just what it is, an observation, which lead to an assumption which hasn't been backed up.

Could I be reaching? Maybe, but the point is, there are points for either side.

So as of right now, anyone attacking someone of the other thoughts really shouldn't be doing so, because there really isn't anything to prove you are right, and they are wrong, since what has been said about the scepter is just based off an observation made by Fury

Me too :P I'm just using the logic of it all. Why would Thanos GIVE AWAY an INFINITY GEM!?!?!?!

[jaqua99]

Me too :P I'm just using the logic of it all. Why would Thanos GIVE AWAY an INFINITY GEM!?!?!?!

He wouldn't. But you never know. But my point is there is evidence for both. Cause the way I am looking at it, it isn't necessarily a fact that the scepter is powered by the tesseract.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Me too :P I'm just using the logic of it all. Why would Thanos GIVE AWAY an INFINITY GEM!?!?!?!

because he can't power them without the Tesseract. Its his attempt at one step back two steps forward.

[jaqua99]

of course, this just being a theory though. ^

[SpideyFan866]

Like the Hydra weapons, Loki's scepter was just powered by the tesseract. nothing more.

The infinity gauntlet and all of the gems are still in odin's vault.

Now, obviously, at some point during phase 2 (probs during Thor 2), the Gauntlet and gems will be taken from the vault (somehow), acquired by the GOTG and likely split up.

[jaqua99]

Like the Hydra weapons, Loki's scepter was just powered by the tesseract. nothing more.

The infinity gauntlet and all of the gems are still in odin's vault.

Now, obviously, at some point during phase 2 (probs during Thor 2), the Gauntlet and gems will be taken from the vault (somehow), acquired by the GOTG and likely split up.

I like it. That's one way they can turn the IG already in the vault into an MCU version of "Thanos Quest"

[MovieMaster]

Except how would the Guardians break into Asgard?

[Captain Marvel]

It'd be a lot easier if the Infinity Gems were already split up. Having them all together only to split them up again would be an overcomplication and a complete waste of time. Nevermind that it'd be plain stupid. Why split it up when you can use the power of the Infinity Gauntlet to annihilate any potential threat? The gauntlet showed up for about a third of a second. That's not a piece of continuity which Marvel needs to be beholden to.

Like the Hydra weapons, Loki's scepter was just powered by the tesseract. nothing more.

If the Tesseract contained the Power Gem then that'd make sense, as the Power Gem powers the other five gems.

[SpideyFan866]

It'd be a lot easier if the Infinity Gems were already split up. Having them all together only to split them up again would be an overcomplication and a complete waste of time. Nevermind that it'd be plain stupid. Why split it up when you can use the power of the Infinity Gauntlet to annihilate any potential threat? The gauntlet showed up for about a third of a second. That's not a piece of continuity which Marvel needs to be beholden to.



If the Tesseract contained the Power Gem then that'd make sense, as the Power Gem powers the other five gems.

But the tesseract is a huge power source all its own. It doesn't need an outside source like the power gem.

Also, as far as the gems go, I think it works if they are already together.

Why wouldn't Odin have the completed gauntlet in his possession? It only makes since to split them up if, like in this case, the were in danger of falling in the wrong hands.

[SpideyFan866]

Except how would the Guardians break into Asgard?

It might not be the Guardians who break into Asgard. Perhaps someone sinister, who knew of Thanos's interest in it, stole it.

THEN, would they steal it from them in order to keep it out of the wrong hands.

[Captain Marvel]

But the tesseract is a huge power source all its own. It doesn't need an outside source like the power gem.

What I mean is the power gem could be inside the cube. The cube itself could be an interface device built around the power gem which allows users to access the power it contains.

Why wouldn't Odin have the completed gauntlet in his possession? It only makes since to split them up if, like in this case, the were in danger of falling in the wrong hands.

It doesn't make sense because if they're all together then there's no threat of anyone getting their hands on it. Odin could just put the gauntlet on and wish the threat away. Think about it: You have the Infinity Gauntlet. Somebody wants to get it. THEY CAN'T GET IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE INFINITY GAUNTLET! YOU'RE GOD! THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THEY COULD DO THAT COULD EVER BE A THREAT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE OMNIPOTENT!

That's why splitting them up would be dumb, because whoever has a fully assembled Infinity Gauntlet has absolutely nothing to fear from Thanos or anyone else who may want the gauntlet, because you're omnipotent. You can snap your fingers and they're dead. Taking an already assembled gauntlet and splitting up the gems is possibly the stupidest thing anyone could do.

[jaqua99]

Especially since the gauntlet is already in safe hands

[marcvader]

What I mean is the power gem could be inside the cube. The cube itself could be an interface device built around the power gem which allows users to access the power it contains.



It doesn't make sense because if they're all together then there's no threat of anyone getting their hands on it. Odin could just put the gauntlet on and wish the threat away. Think about it: You have the Infinity Gauntlet. Somebody wants to get it. THEY CAN'T GET IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE INFINITY GAUNTLET! YOU'RE GOD! THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THEY COULD DO THAT COULD EVER BE A THREAT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE OMNIPOTENT!

That's why splitting them up would be dumb, because whoever has a fully assembled Infinity Gauntlet has absolutely nothing to fear from Thanos or anyone else who may want the gauntlet, because you're omnipotent. You can snap your fingers and they're dead. Taking an already assembled gauntlet and splitting up the gems is possibly the stupidest thing anyone could do.

Unless Odin walks around with it, it's a risky move. They've already broken into his vault once before.

[misjuevos]

the gauntlet in the thor movie brings up so many questions. so will they disregard it or try to use it? maybe kenneth branagh told the set designer i need some cool marvel artifacts in this room. so he got a bunch of recognizable things that only fans would know what they were. i mean odin could have put it on anytime and go to jotunheim and ***** slap them.

im sure branagh had no idea what the infinity gauntlet really was. it could just end up being like cap's shield in the iron man movies.

but if they decide to use the one from thor i wouldn't be mad. it is just easier to have them look for the gems than to find the gauntlet already assembled, story wise. gives you more time to explain each gem or show what each one can do.

the coolest thing of all is we got to this point, i never thought it would happen. not only did we get an avengers movie but now a cosmic one, and thanos is mixed up in this universe too. it really is a golden age for superhero movies.

[cherokeesam]

the gauntlet in the thor movie brings up so many questions. so will they disregard it or try to use it? maybe kenneth branagh told the set designer i need some cool marvel artifacts in this room. so he got a bunch of recognizable things that only fans would know what they were. i mean odin could have put it on anytime and go to jotunheim and ***** slap them.

im sure branagh had no idea what the infinity gauntlet really was. it could just end up being like cap's shield in the iron man movies.

but if they decide to use the one from thor i wouldn't be mad. it is just easier to have them look for the gems than to find the gauntlet already assembled, story wise. gives you more time to explain each gem or show what each one can do.

the coolest thing of all is we got to this point, i never thought it would happen. not only did we get an avengers movie but now a cosmic one, and thanos is mixed up in this universe too. it really is a golden age for superhero movies.

I strongly doubt Branagh had anything to do with the contents of Odin's Treasury. That's something Marvel would have done for winks and grins at the fanboys in the audience.

And I don't understand why people keep trying to use Cap's alternate shield in IM2 as an "example" of an easter egg, when it isn't. Just because the shield in Tony's lab wasn't THE shield doesn't mean it's a throwaway (lopsided pun); it just means that it's *another* shield prototype, that Howard probably tinkered with sometime after Cap's (apparent) death in a failed attempt to re-create it.

[misjuevos]

And I don't understand why people keep trying to use Cap's alternate shield in IM2 as an "example" of an easter egg, when it isn't. Just because the shield in Tony's lab wasn't THE shield doesn't mean it's a throwaway (lopsided pun); it just means that it's *another* shield prototype, that Howard probably tinkered with sometime after Cap's (apparent) death in a failed attempt to re-create it.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1638812/iron-man-2-director-explains-appearance-captain-americas-shield.jhtml

jon favreau explains it. in the first movie an ILM guy put it in as a laugh. so in the next movie jon tried to run with it, he thought Joe Johnston would do something with it. but his movie was not in the present long enough to address it. so maybe next time if they decide to connect it. so far it is just a running gag, that happens to have actual ties to the starks and cap.

[Steve Holt]

what if the gauntlet in Thor is canon and they acknowledge it's there but it's gemless

[cherokeesam]

what if the gauntlet in Thor is canon and they acknowledge it's there but it's gemless

But the gems are clearly there, visible in photo blow-ups. Some people want to go all conspiracy theory on it and say it's fake gems and the real gems are somewhere else, but to me, that's stretching things a bit far.

[marcvader]

I think it's too dangerous an object to have assembled even if it is in Odin's vault.

[jaqua99]

But the gems are clearly there, visible in photo blow-ups. Some people want to go all conspiracy theory on it and say it's fake gems and the real gems are somewhere else, but to me, that's stretching things a bit far.

I think it's too dangerous an object to have assembled even if it is in Odin's vault.

As far as I know, its in the vault. What I am wondering, is how it will be an IG story. I mean, I don't see Asgard appearing in GOTG, and by the sounds of it, Thor 2 will be about Thor.

Now, Sam, I think it was you who thinks Avengers 2 and 3 will both feature Thanos. Personally I am hoping the second movie is Ultron, with Thanos sort of as a side story, and then a full infinity gauntlet movie for the 3rd. Now, assuming Thanos is in 3 as well, as you believed, that will obviously be an infinity gauntlet movie.

Now here is what I want your opinion on. If the gauntlet is already assembled, what happens when he gets it? Sure, they can make him wait to get it (which is what I think will happen, he won't obtain it till phase III, because it seems likely he won't get it in thor 2 or GOTG). What can they do in between? All those movies, if the IG is already gathered and assembled, what do you think marvel can do with the time, to build his story?

Cause I see it, as when he get's the IG, boom, its IG story time. Now, for this reason, I do think he will be in Avengers 3, because it doesn't seem like there will be a film in which he gets it in phase 2.

Of course, if the gems are scattered, he can gather 2 or 3 of them throughout phase 2 (thor 2 and gotg) and maybe the last gem in avengers 3, and then get the gauntlet.

What I am trying to say, or ask, since it seems like when thanos gets the gauntlet, his climax will have to be shortly after that.

So your opinion Sam, what do you think they are going to do with him and the IG. When will he get it? To me, it just seems easier to tell his story, and stretch out the anticipation of his climax by sorta having a Thanos quest from now, up until avengers 3. THAT would be cool in my eyes

[cherokeesam]

I'm tentatively thinking we might be getting hints about future Avenger threats at this very hour, with those set pics coming in from the Thor 2 battlefield. It shows the "Marauders" as a ragtag band of invaders who come from different races (true races, not just ethnicities), different worlds, and quite possibly different time periods. (Some of the warriors have hi-tech guns, some are clearly Japanese samurai, some are medieval Europeans, there's Highlanders in there, ancient Mesopotamians, I think I spotted a Native American or two, etc.) There's nothing in comic-book canon that would give Malekith access to a motley crew like that; so I see either the hand of Thanos or Kang the Conqueror behind such a mercenary lot.

[LokiDionysos]

Hmmmm... suppose time travel is involved eventually, and Loki is still in the mix regarding the gems appearing to be there... in a way. Not that they're an illusion, but what if they haven't been stolen yet? And at the same time they have... Suppose Loki is working with Kang for the time being and has temporarily made him an ally by entrusting him with power. Until such a time that Loki can reemerge on top of Kang and regain the power he's given to him; to then take full advantage of Kang's powers.

Kang is sort of a pawn being used by Loki against Thanos... the only way Loki could have an edge on trying to manipulate Thanos is through time travel. Thanos may believe he's found something in the past, but what if it was placed there from the future, and Loki is thinking even further ahead than Thanos at this point?

Suppose that in between Thor and Avengers Loki has been up to quite a few things because he first met Kang... and certain things are all a step in an overall plan against Thanos and Odin, and that Loki knows who the Other really is already. Although the Other doesn't know that Loki knows this person will betray Thanos eventually.

Suppose Loki has learned he has to wait until a very precise time to even don the gauntlet and that he also knows Odin will step in if Thanos does get them all. So Loki, using Kang's knowledge & ability to travel future timelines, + the powers of the thing in the scepter didn't mind being played by Thanos. He's already seen many possibilities. And has time on his side against Thanos because he's allied with someone else who wants to rule the galaxy in the future.

Suppose Loki wanted the gems for himself but at one point found out that at any point if they were removed from Asgard that Odin could anticipate this move in advance through his powers and the powers of the mind gem. Loki would have to time it right. And even after stealing them from the future after Odin's death he may have had to return to a past timeline and scatter the gems so that present timeline Odin would not know the gems are unleashed. Odin would not immediately notice that there are two full sets of gems in the timeline. However, this leads Loki to entrust one of the gems to Kang, and others to other people across time until the right time comes. He played Thanos more than Thanos thinks he played him, but only because Loki has time travel on his side, and coming to free him at a certain time.. Loki is really waiting for Odin to die for his full plan to take shape, and could have manipulated events to try to speed this along (which I don't think will happen until the third Thor).

Loki also may have manipulated past events that we'll see in GoTG, so that Thanos thought he was handing over something to Loki to use. After Loki gained his trust. Really Loki left it for him in a way, at a point in the past, and is manipulating events that he knows will happen to get it back into his possession, forcing the double of this gem into someone else's hands other than Thanos and Odin for the time being.

Loki made it so present day Odin doesn't know the gems are in play because they've been transferred from the future for Loki to manipulate events with. When Loki travels to another timeline he can merge with himself, although Kang can't. I think him and Thanos were both counting on him getting taken back to Asgard. Only, Thanos will be disappointed. Loki deceived Thanos into only seeing a glimpse of the future Loki wanted him to see in the time that Thanos had the scepter. Only to attempt to control Thanos' future while deceiving Thanos into willingly letting him have possession of the scepter in the present and leading Thanos into a confrontation with Odin.

And by the third Avengers movie we'll understand what Loki has done between Thor and Avengers + after his escape from Odin's punishment, and across space and time. Add to that Thanos thinking ahead of Loki at the same time. What if Thanos and Loki take back seats in the series and have been playing a dangerous game of chess against each other that will be explored more once Kang is introduced?

And if the gems had not been taken from the future at the right time, in the right way, and hidden in the past to not alert present Odin then Loki's plan wouldn't be working. To make it appear Loki had never been the one to have a hand in them showing up outside asgard. He knew that in this timeline he wouldn't be able to escape Asgard with them in his possession. So he waits until Odin dies, however, this has already occurred in the future and now Loki's waiting for two things: for Odin to eventually die in this timeline (since he knows when this will happen), and waiting for Kang's army to show up at this point in the present to free him once more. Selvig could start seeing other timelines too.

With Odin keeping eyes on the gauntlet, Loki may not have been able to remove the gems from Odin's vault without stealing them from a future time period after Odin dies, and when Thanos was preoccupied... Even in the Odin-sleep there could be a system in place that prevents one from simply grabbing it in Odin's possession. I think Loki wants Odin to die a lot sooner and returned to a certain point in the Thor movie, or just after it, once he allied with Kang from a future timeline and merged with himself (something Kang can't do which causes problems and solutions). This whole time Loki's had a little bit of foresight about things, but went along with it anyway and probably gives up so easily throughout the Avengers, and makes a crack about needing a drink after the whole Hulk ordeal, knowing that he had to lose that battle and be apprehended. Him being King of Asgard for a time and trying to pretend to save Odin was important to the old timeline where he will eventually get the gems. He's probably kicking himself now for not letting Laufey kill Odin right then since he's realized the timeline he's lived before can change, and is being changed by other forces. Add to that a complexity where "the other" is actually another treacherous character under deep cover who has its own ambitions coming out of the GoTG.

[MovieMaster]

..................What

[jaqua99]

Hmmmm... suppose time travel is involved eventually, and Loki is still in the mix regarding the gems appearing to be there... in a way. Not that they're an illusion, but what if they haven't been stolen yet? And at the same time they have... Suppose Loki is working with Kang for the time being and has temporarily made him an ally by entrusting him with power. Until such a time that Loki can reemerge on top of Kang and regain the power he's given to him; to then take full advantage of Kang's powers.

Kang is sort of a pawn being used by Loki against Thanos... the only way Loki could have an edge on trying to manipulate Thanos is through time travel. Thanos may believe he's found something in the past, but what if it was placed there from the future, and Loki is thinking even further ahead than Thanos at this point?

Suppose that in between Thor and Avengers Loki has been up to quite a few things because he first met Kang... and certain things are all a step in an overall plan against Thanos and Odin, and that Loki knows who the Other really is already. Although the Other doesn't know that Loki knows this person will betray Thanos eventually.

Suppose Loki has learned he has to wait until a very precise time to even don the gauntlet and that he also knows Odin will step in if Thanos does get them all. So Loki, using Kang's knowledge & ability to travel future timelines, + the powers of the thing in the scepter didn't mind being played by Thanos. He's already seen many possibilities. And has time on his side against Thanos because he's allied with someone else who wants to rule the galaxy in the future.

Suppose Loki wanted the gems for himself but at one point found out that at any point if they were removed from Asgard that Odin could anticipate this move in advance through his powers and the powers of the mind gem. Loki would have to time it right. And even after stealing them from the future after Odin's death he may have had to return to a past timeline and scatter the gems so that present timeline Odin would not know the gems are unleashed. Odin would not immediately notice that there are two full sets of gems in the timeline. However, this leads Loki to entrust one of the gems to Kang, and others to other people across time until the right time comes. He played Thanos more than Thanos thinks he played him, but only because Loki has time travel on his side, and coming to free him at a certain time.. Loki is really waiting for Odin to die for his full plan to take shape, and could have manipulated events to try to speed this along (which I don't think will happen until the third Thor).

Loki also may have manipulated past events that we'll see in GoTG, so that Thanos thought he was handing over something to Loki to use. After Loki gained his trust. Really Loki left it for him in a way, at a point in the past, and is manipulating events that he knows will happen to get it back into his possession, forcing the double of this gem into someone else's hands other than Thanos and Odin for the time being.

Loki made it so present day Odin doesn't know the gems are in play because they've been transferred from the future for Loki to manipulate events with. When Loki travels to another timeline he can merge with himself, although Kang can't. I think him and Thanos were both counting on him getting taken back to Asgard. Only, Thanos will be disappointed. Loki deceived Thanos into only seeing a glimpse of the future Loki wanted him to see in the time that Thanos had the scepter. Only to attempt to control Thanos' future while deceiving Thanos into willingly letting him have possession of the scepter in the present and leading Thanos into a confrontation with Odin.

And by the third Avengers movie we'll understand what Loki has done between Thor and Avengers + after his escape from Odin's punishment, and across space and time. Add to that Thanos thinking ahead of Loki at the same time. What if Thanos and Loki take back seats in the series and have been playing a dangerous game of chess against each other that will be explored more once Kang is introduced?

And if the gems had not been taken from the future at the right time, in the right way, and hidden in the past to not alert present Odin then Loki's plan wouldn't be working. To make it appear Loki had never been the one to have a hand in them showing up outside asgard. He knew that in this timeline he wouldn't be able to escape Asgard with them in his possession. So he waits until Odin dies, however, this has already occurred in the future and now Loki's waiting for two things: for Odin to eventually die in this timeline (since he knows when this will happen), and waiting for Kang's army to show up at this point in the present to free him once more. Selvig could start seeing other timelines too.

With Odin keeping eyes on the gauntlet, Loki may not have been able to remove the gems from Odin's vault without stealing them from a future time period after Odin dies, and when Thanos was preoccupied... Even in the Odin-sleep there could be a system in place that prevents one from simply grabbing it in Odin's possession. I think Loki wants Odin to die a lot sooner and returned to a certain point in the Thor movie, or just after it, once he allied with Kang from a future timeline and merged with himself (something Kang can't do which causes problems and solutions). This whole time Loki's had a little bit of foresight about things, but went along with it anyway and probably gives up so easily throughout the Avengers, and makes a crack about needing a drink after the whole Hulk ordeal, knowing that he had to lose that battle and be apprehended. Him being King of Asgard for a time and trying to pretend to save Odin was important to the old timeline where he will eventually get the gems. He's probably kicking himself now for not letting Laufey kill Odin right then since he's realized the timeline he's lived before can change, and is being changed by other forces. Add to that a complexity where "the other" is actually another treacherous character under deep cover who has its own ambitions coming out of the GoTG.

Seriously, what. Clearly you are a Loki fan, and want this whole series to center around Loki. It won't, he had his time. His time as the main villain is done.

Now the part where you said Loki tricks Thanos? Thanos operates on an intellect, and schemes/plans on a level far beyond Loki, or basically anyone else in the MU. The idea of Loki deceiving Thanos is just ridiculous. Seriously

It won't happen. It will not happen

[jaqua99]

Just because :D

s4fdBcIZkls

[MahvelBaby!]

Just because :D

s4fdBcIZkls

I watched it ten more times thanks! BTW I bow before your mighty avatar! :D

[misjuevos]

i wonder what planet that is in the background, or moon or whatever it is.

[LokiDionysos]

:yay: I don't want it to center around Loki. I'm thinking it eventually centers around Immortus... + other versions of Kang, and the doubles of Loki are foreshadowing. More so about Immortus vs Thanos when it gets to the end. In fact I didn't really want Loki to be the only villain in Avengers and he wasn't. I was saying the whole time it would be Thanos before the release. Thanos and Nebula to be exact.
But I had heard some things early on that there were two people behind Loki, and that Nebula may be involved further down the road. At the time I put 2 and 2 together the wrong way. And need to get my blu-ray to see some things again. I don't think the Other is Nebula in disguise. But the other is someone who's been twisted beyond recognition by Nebula's tech, plucked up in the past, and will be revealed to be someone. Just as someone we've already seen will be revealed to be Nebula after her shape-shifting, future m.o. and tech gets introduced in GoTG

I'm a huge Loki fan of course, but wasn't really theorizing that he would really be a main villain. It's just my love for Loki showing through and not putting in my full thoughts about Kang/Immortus/Ant Man varying incarnations yet. More like a major player in the overall story of heroes and villains teaming up against Thanos. A behind the scenes manipulator who thinks he's doing bad things for a good purpose, taking it too far. I think Loki will continue to be in the series, I'm just not sure in which way. I think it will eventually turn into Loki/Kang/Immortus/The Avengers/ The Guardians/Nebula/Surfer/Adam Warlock/Dr. Strange vs. Thanos and his gems that Loki/kang's manipulation allowed him to get because there are now two sets. Dr. Strange has a role in making sure the present copy never leaves Asgard, but Loki loses control of the gems he's attempted to hide from Odin until his death. I could be way off but i'm working under the assumption that the Other is actually someone else who plays a semi-big role when Thanos comes in and may be seen in another form in GoTG along with Nebula.

They're gonna do something further with Loki, and it'll be a subtler form of manipulation that has significant impact. I can feel it. You forget Loki is no stranger to manipulating people, this is just a much harder target. I personally believe we've seen, but not seen, the heights of Loki's manipulation. He wanted to be caught in all cases, because it affects things to get him where he is and everything else in their places.

However, what if he knows Thanos is coming for the gauntlet after Odin dies + a makeshift masters of evil fight the Avengers in the sequel. Will attempt to bring about Ragnarok early. And is making a preemptive strike that he thinks will save Asgard, maybe even the universe, and help him in Ragnarok. He's seen how it plays out, and with Thanos claiming the gauntlet afterwards... But he's only attempting it all because he sees a way, and time/place when Thanos is weakened, and it ensures that he would play the hero, have use of the gems, and then be worshiped as ruler of Asgard and possibly the universe if he makes Ragnarok occur differently.

After his escape Loki *tries* a lot of things that seem unrelated, but it all builds into a Kang/Immortus/Loki/The Avengers/The Guardians/Nebula/The Other/Strange/Miss Marvel/Warlock/Hela/Beyonder/Reprogrammed Ultron VS Thanos and the gems storyline. Loki wants Ragnarok to come about early and keep the Asgardians busy, because Odin will put a stop to Thanos if left alive, and needed to alter the timeline in the past to have a shot at getting Thor out of the way when Loki initiates Ragnarok mixed with IG, and speeds along Thanos' arrival in Asgard--using Odin to weaken him b4 Odin dies.

Loki won't just sit there being punished by Odin forever, I think Hiddleston has proven too popular and shown his willingness to jump back in. And lets say Kang comes into it. I think there's a way to make it so that changes in the timeline have already happened in the past, for the most part. Seeing them both using the power of time travel in diff ways, separately at first, and then Kang and Loki return together from the future at a certain point in Avengers 3, but Loki (and Immortus) realizes Thanos can't be allowed to destroy half the universe.

Only because Loki thinks he should rule everyone in the universe and knows what Thanos will do with the universe afterwards via Kang. Loki dies, and gets taken out of the battle, but someone else ends up with the gauntlet because of Loki's plans, and ends up recreating the half of the universe that was destroyed. Marvel probably knows not to make Loki have a major starring role again until the last Avengers, but you could move along the overall plot with alternating Thanos/ Loki & Kang after credits scenes if he and Kang can go anywhere/anytime.

How many more movies is Tom on contract for? Has it been revealed? I don't think we'll see much of him in Thor 2. However, I think we'll see him planning his escape, or having it already planned out, and showing up again free after the credits, or at the end, with Kang being teased. And again in GotG which will explain a little bit more about what Kang is up to across time, and introduces Nebula as a side-villain to the main villain who has her own issues with Thanos.

If this is somehow miraculously true it probably won't play out exactly like I'm saying. (i'm just trying to account for why Kang and soldiers from multiple times/places with alien weaponry might be involved in Thor 2, trying to tie that to a possible Loki escape and who the Other truly is). And can Kang enter other realms like Asgard without some assistance if he shows up as being the cause of the soldiers from multiple time periods in Thor 2, seen in pictures and in the casting calls? At first it seemed Asgard was just a place in the stars in this movie series, but now I believe it is actually in the stars and yet separate from other realms/worlds that may be accessible to Thanos and Kang. So I think Kang and Thanos can't get into Asgard without Loki's help, like how he sneaks the frost giants in through doors between dimensions. Loki is a dimensional hopper of sorts, and Thanos has one on his side up until a certain point.

I've thought of this before. I don't think they'll toss Loki away. The only way I see Loki taking a backseat, while remaining involved in the struggle against Thanos, is by a long drawn out plan. And Loki almost getting the upper hand/attempting to redeem himself *temporarily* near the end of the overall series. It might only occur if:
A) Loki has the gems at some point in the future, or another powerful advantage/item, going to great lengths to plan things in advance after Thor
B) Thanos is worried about Odin, has things in mind for Loki--thinks he's playing him because he can't immediately see Loki's manipulation in the past + future. Loki can block out peoples' view of him temporarily by creating psychic barriers + actual doubles of himself and the gems with time travel. He has the power to choose when to change his physical doubles into shadow copies, invisible to those not of another timeline/dimension, which Kang does not, and sets up Immortus.
C)Loki needs time travel to hide his motives from Thanos semi-effectively, creating an actual physical double by returning to an earlier point in the story. Not merging the versions of himself but turning them into physical manageable copies. He has another version of himself doing all the dirty work so far, but when we see him free his double from imprisonment to shadow copy him; at first we don't understand why, and it looks like an illusory double shouldn't be able to be free of Odin's punishment. Until it's revealed Kang had a hand in it. And there's more to Loki's shadow copy trick.

Many of Loki's actions become foreshadowing, with people now falling for the extended double trick, and bringing into it doubles of Kang&Pym. With things recurring on a massive scale. The characters don't know they were dealing with the present version Loki who was visited by future Loki after finding out he was a frost giant. And was influenced severely. Told just enough to not alert Thanos yet... If it didn't work future Loki (with Kang) repeated the process until it did. We had no way of knowing that Loki had already begun his trek across time because things had to work out this way for him to even get this far with Thanos. And Thanos is fooled up until a certain point. For the rest of it Thanos will bring about Loki's chance to get the upper hand on his own and it becomes a waiting game, manipulating things that seem small at first.
D) Kang and Thanos have to be at odds in a future timeline for a major reason set-up in GoTG for Loki to take advantage of Kang and vice versa
E)A major focus would be put on Kang with Loki in the background, and others Loki has visited until he loses some of them in a more personal masters of evil type movie, where it's revealed Loki helped assemble them, and by the end takes a major back seat to Kang again only showing up post-credits with him + has enlisted others as pawns(though they don't know it). Him and Kang grab one of the villains introduced, but not used in Thor 2: Enchantress
It becomes a little bit of a mystery as to what Loki is still doing there, hopping across timelines, showing up in the future again, when we think he's dimension hopping, but really it's a combo of both and he's returning from a future he escaped to. Setting up villains to be on his side, making strikes with them against the Avengers to get the scepter back.

Basically Kang thinks it's him vs Thanos & the other, with Loki as his pawn (but the Other has intentions separate from Kang & Loki to work against Thanos). Kang sets up masters of evil, bringing back Red Skull, and Loki is only seen as having helped them get across dimensions at the end. While Kang covers getting them across time.
But Loki is using Kang until the very end, and knew he had to help set off Kang's/Immortus' plans against Thanos to have a chance. And to even give Kang, and therefore him, a chance to try to take the universe from Thanos in the future.
F) they would know Thanos' moves in advance. Having prior knowledge of the shape of the chessboard after their moves have been made.
G) If Kang comes in I think most changes to the timeline will be reflected by flashbacks to things Loki has already done, because this is the timeline where everything works out for future Kang and Loki up until the point Kang decides to use Earth as a base against Thanos within the timeline.

That doesn't mean Loki's going to be a main villain again, or the single villain ever again in the series. And I even think we'll have to see him become an ally against Thanos before all is said and done. Loki finally recognizes his mistakes will destroy the universe and the multiverse; also because he wanted to rule the universe, and not see Thanos destroy it. So he, Immortus, and Beyonder end up helping the Avengers/GoTG and the others defeat Thanos at the very end. And Nebula even helps recreate the universe by being forced to give up the gauntlet to Adam Warlock. She's allowed to live and goes on to live with Rocket Raccoon and the Guardians, and in a humorous bit rounding out everything for their characters she could like to use her tech to shape-shift into his species after he's been ridiculed this whole time for looking like an earth raccoon. While she looks slightly like Thanos in her true form. Because she's kind of like mystique, in that she doesn't wanna look like herself, or look like Thanos. At the same time she used to use her connection to Thanos to get ahead.

Along with Loki having a major character change by sacrificing himself; Nebula also has a major character change from her role in GoTG by giving up the Gauntlet after Thanos is prevented from using it further due to the combined efforts of everyone. One of Kang's forms switched sides and this is a major problem preventing them from erasing Thanos from the timeline at an earlier point. When the remaining heroes (and villains) find a way to erase Thanos from the timeline Nebula is left next to the gauntlet as he disappears. She willingly gives it up after witnessing all the destruction. Because she was only after the greatest treasures in the universe. And that's what she's been doing, in a way, while posing as Maria Hill at Shield... collecting treasure and steering a ship. I don't think we'll see a Skrull invasion, but Hill might still not be who we think she is.

Edit: Oh and to add to that I've been considering Extremis partially coming from a collection of alien tech in GoTG instead of anything from Avengers. A collection that includes a type of Nebula's shape shifting tech that actually alters the structure of the users body slightly, yet in more permanent ways, and changes the person completely allowing them to do things with the other tech she offers up to Mandarin's company in exchange for trying to get Stark out of Shield (she only wants Shield to create a buffer zone for her plans against Thanos and Stark brings bad things to Shield). She's commandeered shield and it becomes her ship. Hill/Nebula may have given Mandarin portions of her technology to set him up for something too, before her plans cross with Kang and Loki's. She makes a secret deal with the Mandarin for it, telling him to take out Stark, because she's working against shield and using shield at the same time like the Skrull Queen in secret invasion.

Nebula/Hill (and corrupt politicians) set Mandarin and AIM against Iron man, tries to seduce and kill iron man, and acts like the Skrull queen in a way. But we prob won't see a full Skrull invasion because she's not the skrull queen and only kinda takes her place. Who knows? She could have skrulls with her in the final battle that are pissed off at Thanos for what he made her do to one of their outpost worlds. Nebula uses Mandarin because he has a technological edge she likes and he also steals from Stark, who she grows to hate. And she identifies with people who steal what they want, and want to rule the world through causing some death, but not worshiping it. She's less willing to inflict violence than Loki, and will be more of a true anti-hero because of her piracy and deception being mild but effective due to the tech she has acquired and has access to. Which forms a loose alliance between her and Leader after Kang and Ultron betray Loki, Abomination and Mandarin. I think Avengers 2 will be a personal movie, but small only in the way it doesn't contain an army and each character will face a personal foe set up by Kang and Loki before we see Ultron kick Loki out of Kang's future. When we first meet Ultron he comes from the future, but Old Pym knows what has happened to the prototype he developed years ago and marches into Shield.

Loki controls the past, while Kang has lost control of his half of the universe in the future: To Thanos and the gauntlet. Kang has an interest in Ant Man because Ant Man keeps thwarting his plans to set the stage for his invasion of the present in other timelines. This is why Ant Man could still take place in the 60's. Ant Man's/Pym's story will be the most tied to Kang's alteration of the timeline and creation of alternate realities that mainly Pym/Old Pym is aware of. Accounting for differing versions of Pym we'll see in his own movies, and a literal battle against himself. Selvig could be Pym operating under a false name and fled shield once before when they took the research he was working on. Running away from his mistake creating Ultron allowed something terrible to happen in the past and other timelines, resulting in Ultron being acquired by Kang. Thus he was speaking about his "friend" aka himself never being heard from again in Thor, after Shield got a hold of him and what he was doing with Stark senior, and he changed his identity to Selvig, but will be revealed to have been needed this way in this timeline. Also why Selvig is reluctant to join up with Shield and thinks he can't trust Fury while Loki influences him from another dimension. He's part of the key to the multi-verse and is himself a doorway into the timeline and other timelines. While the young Pym had to be transferred from the 60's into the current timeline to do battle with Ultron, which they both created and let Kang get a hold of. Whenever the Ant Man movie gets made it doesn't matter if it's mainly in the 60's still, because young Pym crosses over and meets Old scientist Pym in Avengers 2. And the elder Pym/Selvig helps him look further into the timeline problems and revisit the problem of Ultron. Scott Lang is set up in this timeline but doesn't fight in Avengers 2. Lang helps fight Ultron in the not as distant past in Ant Man 2 with Strange and Janet. Janet joins them in their own adventures while they reset part of the timeline. Young Pym teams with Selvig/Old Pym & Janet in the Avengers. And Young Pym gets sent by old Pym to fight alongside Lang and Janet in his sequels in other times/time-lines, becoming Giant Man in Avengers 2. Possibly before even being introduced to Ant Man, before Lang dies and before he adopts the name of Ant Man once more in Ant Man 2(but retains the growing abilities).

This still works if young Pym shows up, seemingly, out of nowhere in Avengers and Ant Man isn't released until afterwards. Shield got a hold of some of Pym's research in the 80's and Lang was set-up but is incompetent compared to Pym and still only has the shrinking abilities. Pym unlocked the growth abilities in the past before becoming Selvig and running away from his past identity, or potential new ones in various timelines affected by Kang and Ultron... The Ant Man movie would still occur mainly in the 60's explaining what just happened and why a young Ant Man becomes another man out of time and joins the battle, becoming Giant-Man. In Ant Man 2 Hank, Janet, Lang and old Pym can do more timeline correcting and face other versions of Pym and travel to when he first fights Ultron and when Kang came into that timeline to set some of it right. Now with his Giant Man abilities fully realized he can attempt to stop Ultron from being created before Kang has a chance to use him again. Kang has other plans and the results of Hank handing over Ultron to Shield in the 80's are seen fully, and proves to be a match for even multiple Pyms. They don't stop Ultron completely because Kang has already been there and done this dance before with Shield and something strange happens where Ultron still shows up at the time of Avengers 2. But Ant Man manages to offset Kang's plans to return past that point or try to relive his acquisition of Ultron again by destroying that version of Ultron and closing it off to one of Kang's forms of time-travel. Ant Man and the Old version of himself work with Janet, Lang, and occasionally others like Dr. Strange to attempt to maintain or change the timeline for the good side.

[LokiDionysos]

Nebula attempts to control the present with piracy, plans to steal sources of power, putting her at odds with Kang and Loki. And eventually at odds with Thanos who finds out what she's up to. They may be related. All these villains attempt to control the present and the future, to stop the rule and destruction Thanos will bring when he takes action. But all of these villains who wish to stop Thanos are doing so for their own selfish purposes.

Ultimately meaning Thanos will win against the villains for the most part. The villains are working against each other until the heroes are forced to work with the remaining villains. Each wants Thanos' spot as head honcho of the universe, and Loki and Nebula want the gauntlet/gems. Kang wants his empire to not be overtaken by Thanos when Thanos has the gauntlet in the future. Kang takes a partially destroyed Ultron with him to the future from an Ant-Man movie. But after Pym's revisiting of this event Vision is able to be created when they return to the present heavily influenced timeline. Loki didn't understand Kangs betrayal was almost as inevitable as the outcome of Ragnarok because he's had a lot more time on his hands. Kang betrays Loki because he saw a betrayal happening ahead of time, operates from the far distant past and future, and Loki didn't think about what happens when he leaves Kang alone to pursue his own schemes. When Immortus comes into it he's seen a lot of possible outcomes that Loki, Selvig/Pym, Vision and Marvel haven't seen. But that the Beyonder did see.

Sadly this means that Ultron would be a minor character in Avengers 2 alongside the makeshift masters of evil + Kang looming and some background for the problems between Kang and Thanos. Unless something is messed up with the timeline around all the Ant Man movies (partially because of Wright, but partially because of Kang and the Other), and Ultron's presence can be a little bigger in Avengers 2... Add to this a mini civil war plot previously orchestrated and set in motion by Hill/Nebula and Shield turning against the Avengers right when the masters show up. While Red Skull, Abomination, Enchantress, and to a lesser extent Leader and Mandarin are ultimately slaves to Kang, Loki and then some to Thanos and Nebula. The personal battles for each of the other characters, some dying, some carried forward as pawns on new sides. Young pym is taken by another dimensional/timeline hopper from the 60's because he is needed in the Avengers 2 timeline to defeat Ultron who reached his full potential at another stage in ant-Mans life, and has been taken to the future. Young Pym, Janet and Ultron all appear from a past/different timeline in Avengers 2. Ultron was a safeguard against Loki, but backfired. It brings multiple versions of Ant-Man into the story along with multiple versions of Loki and Kang. Hanks superhero identity problems are explored in the other timelines presented in the Ant Man movies. Because of the time travel and crossing of realities Pym explores we see Old Pym, young Pym, Janet, and Scott Lang taking on different identities/roles and meeting other Pyms/versions. Young Pym works with old Pym/Selvig and the mysterious being on exploring timelines/dimensions, combining that with the wormhole data old Pym has been busy on. And they create devices to send Pym's team to the past to correct the timeline, and other timelines. They also work to set up inter-dimensional prisons to keep bad guys away from Kang, keep the Kangs imprisoned, and the other versions of Kang away from himself.

From Loki's perspective Ultron seems to somehow show up out of nowhere along with Kang's sudden betrayal and own manipulation of the timeline without Loki's knowledge.
Meaning another Kang came and warned a version of himself of the betrayal at a point Loki didn't see when he was working with Kang.
Kang has seen Loki's betrayal if they succeed, and uses Ultron against the Avengers + some of the masters to return Ultron back to the far, far distant future from which he's been secretly operating from against Loki, alongside another powerful force he's able to acquire this time. And some of the masters. But Kang has already been messing with Pym's life/timeline to acquire Ultron in the first place, so Ultron is Pym's fight in Avengers 2. And Young Pym and Old Pym, + Janet, Lang and an alternate Pym all have to be there to help put it right at some point in Ant Man's movies. Kang brought Ultron to the future from the Ant Man 2 movie, and the Ant Man movies will occur in different timelines and across time and dimensions/the multi-verse, into the negative zone etc. Ant Man could be made more interesting and over the top because of constantly changing dimensions and timelines... while the other movies stay relatively unscathed from obvious problems with the timeline. Kang/Loki's overuse of time travel is prevented because of Pym's efforts, which also means they will fail and unfortunately Thanos will get the gauntlet. But in this timeline Vision is here and Kang has a completely out of control version of Ultron that Old Pym/Selvig first witnessed... and had killed Jan in this timeline forcing him to go on the run eventually changing his identity. Fury knew he was operating under a false name but knew Ultron may become a problem again because of what they did to it and how it had disappeared from the past. In a twist of fate that could only come from a witch's influence, this is the only timeline Kang was able to retrieve part of Ultron from. Ultron is not pleased to be serving Kang this time and sets off a chain reaction that is a major cause for allowing the characters to overcome Thanos and his minion(s).

At the end of Ant Man young Pym and Janet are taken by a timeline/dimension hopping being & have traveled from an alternate 60's to meet Lang and Old Pym. This being is someone who wants to make sure the timeline is right & takes them to Shield and Avengers 2... Because of the time travel this can occur before or after Avengers 2 and make sense as to why young Pym pops into Avengers 2, alongside Old Pym as a tertiary character working with Shield and Lang. In future Ant Man's the Pyms, Lang and Janet have to travel to alternate dimensions and timelines to house villains, and deal with temporal disturbances in Ant Man's own timeline caused by Kang which creates multiple realities the Pyms have to close the loop on before Loki manages to merge the timelines and affects Old Pym by erasing his own copies. And attempting to deal with Immortus/Kang.

Ant Man, Old Pym, Janet and Lang needed to be there for the Avengers to win a battle against the masters of evil + Ultron under Kang & Loki's control. Old pym starts looking into the phenomenon of the timeline being changed in the past and outfits young Pym, Janet and Lang with slightly diff suits to help the Avengers take them on. Also Black Panther vs Wasp for a short while. Miss Marvel gets introduced post credits and we find out more about Thanos vs. the multiple incarnations of Kang. And revealing what Kang and Ultron wanted from Wakanda.

This other being that takes Ant Man across timelines needs as many versions of Ant Man as necessary to foil Kang's secret plan with Ultron + fix the timeline. A plan that trumps Loki's ability to control the other villains and foils Loki's plan in general.+ Sets it up so Kang makes a mistake that alerts Thanos of their plans, gets Kang taken out of the equation; and leaves Immortus. Changing Loki's perspective slightly. The other being is a dimensional hopper too who is collecting heroes and villains to use against Thanos, allowing them to play their little games and keeping Pym alive so that Pym can help him preserve this timeline... because it'll be the timeline where in the end if everyone works together there's a shot at saving the universe/multiverse from Thanos.

[pr0xyt0xin]

tldr

[cherokeesam]

tldr

Yeah, really.
No offense, LokiDionysos....you're obviously very imaginative and you've got some good ideas, but this is a forum....if you could be more concise in your writing and limit it to just a few paragraphs instead of a wall of text, people will be more willing to discuss your ideas.

[jaqua99]

seriously

[marcvader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM4Y2j_kC3A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[jaqua99]

that's freakin awesome lol

[jaqua99]

http://www.examiner.com/article/marvel-exec-kevin-feige-talks-thanos-phase-2-and-phase-3-details

Some of us think this says Thanos will be extended into phase 3, some don't, either way, its info on the titan in the mcu :up:

[metaphysician]

At the least, it doesn't contradict my prediction that Avengers 2 will *not* be "Infinity Gauntlet Jr."

[stingerman]

Thanos is already confirmed for GoTG and Avengers 2 by Jim Starlin.

Said so at the recent Montreal Comic-Con.

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/exclusive-thanos-confirmed-guardians-galaxy-movie-and-avengers-2

[jaqua99]

^ That's a few days old

[Captain Marvel]

Thanos is already confirmed for GoTG and Avengers 2 by Jim Starlin.

Said so at the recent Montreal Comic-Con.

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/exclusive-thanos-confirmed-guardians-galaxy-movie-and-avengers-2

It doesn't mean that he'll be the principal villain in either. He could remain a background figure in both.

[herolee10]

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4717/wfwefwfwef.png

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9422/a3vkzj1cuaehjbp.jpg

[marcvader]

That is fantastic!

[cherokeesam]

My new avvie. :hrt:

[jaqua99]

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4717/wfwefwfwef.png

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9422/a3vkzj1cuaehjbp.jpg

obviously they went with the bottom one, but to be honest, I really like the top right the best, it is most true to the comics, and honestly, it works.

but still, looks great

[herolee10]

For whatever reason, the picture is not showing in my previous post:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4717/wfwefwfwef.png

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2127/rthrthrthrh.png

[marvel_freshman]

For whatever reason, the picture is not showing in my previous post:


That's my bad, I had to delete them from Imageshack to save space, and reupload those biggers ones.

[herolee10]

That's my bad, I had to delete them from Imageshack to save space, and reupload those biggers ones.

Np; I should be the one thanking you for even taking the time to upload them. Thanks:yay:

[KangConquers]

I had a dream once about a Seinfeldian show, with Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, and Thanos replacing Jerry, George, Elaine and Kramer. Make it happen, Marvel.

[JB-the-Hunter]

I had a dream once about a Seinfeldian show, with Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, and Thanos replacing Jerry, George, Elaine and Kramer. Make it happen, Marvel.

Nerd

[marvel_freshman]

Came across some high-res stuff

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg

[Vartha]

That top one rocks!

[Captain Marvel]

Ah, I remember having a discussion a while back with our fellow forum poster Franklin Richards who absolutely lambasted me for believing that Thanos would ever appear in a Marvel movie. He thought I was foolish for thinking that the Infinity Gauntlet prop Marvel displayed was proof, and that it was no more than an Easter Egg. That it was stupid of me to draw the conclusion that, because Marvel spent however much money on that Infinity Gauntlet prop, that Thanos would then appear. That it was about as likely to happen as Franklin Richards (the comic character, not the forum poster) appearing in an X-Men movie because his name appeared on a computer screen in X2 (because in his eyes money spent on a prop versus a name on a computer screen which costs nothing are directly comparable). And yet here we are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRqiklDdS3Q

So I wonder where my good buddy Franklin's gotten off too? I don't believe I've had the chance to say "I told you so!" yet. :D

[SuperSAINT]

Was the Thanos in the movie prosthetic? or was it CG?

That head-shot pic of him above is bad-ass.

[jaqua99]

prosthetics

[jaqua99]

Came across some high-res stuff

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg







I don't know if professionals come here at all, or if people who worked on these movies browse the hype at all, but if they ever do, let me just tell you guys, that top picture, that prosthetic is amazing. I always appreciated make up artists in the film industry, I think they are some of the most talented people.

But that prosthetic looks amazing. He is a difficult character to bring to life, and they did one hell of an amazing job on that. He looks so friggin badass.

So seriously, huge props to the group of makeup artists who worked on Thanos. Because he looks freaking awesome :up:

[LokiDionysos]

Sorry, I apologize for the length of this. This is one scenario I see if the gauntlet is at play and Magus/Warlock gets introduced with Thanos in GoTG. I'm kind of a creative consultant of sorts, however I'm choosing to leave my thoughts kind of scattered, complicated and vague while covering many connections and aspects. This is only how I would do it... Kang might show up in the after credits but would first be introduced at the end of Thor 2. Thanos wants the gems. Time travel may come into it to even things out against Thanos and the gauntlet-- or to fix the universe if need be. The GotG movie might show some of what's happening in the 31st century and what happens between then and the 21st century. Bringing Kang into it. Although the event that stops Kang from ruling this timeline happens in the near future and sets off a chain of events that leads to Thanos getting a gauntlet. Kang can't let this happen in the timeline but Thanos has the "other" on his side now and may be doing a little dimension hopping of his own.

I hope Magus and the church are involved in GotG and there are other versions of a few characters because of some timeline troubles. Occurring in the past and the future. Not affecting the timeline of the movies because Pym and Loki/Kang are manipulating the timeline. Red Skull is taken across time and dimensions to be assembled with the masters of evil in Avengers 2. GotG sets up Thanos' quest and shows how doubles of the gauntlet/gem are created with time travel. Adam Warlock would eventually come into it and face off against Magus in another movie.

The movie would partially be about Thanos trying to get the soul gem. The Guardians end up having to protect it/get it back on their own until Adam Warlock returns.

However, the characters don't know this is a double of the soul gem and a manipulation by Kang/Loki against Thanos. It's basically bait to set Thanos towards a trap Kang and others have set up for him in the future.

Thanos has big plans for the future, but Kang/Loki and Immortus/Beyonder won't let this happen... they'll have help from some of the surviving members of the masters of evil. Loki does want Thanos to claim a gauntlet because he plans to set off Ragnarok early with Thanos's plans and has seen many worlds and many times with Kang's help. Loki knows there are two gauntlets now. He waits silently in Odin's punishment for Kang and his future self to free him at the end of Thor 2. One gauntlet taken from an alternate timeline/universe where the gauntlet is the other hand... one taken from Odin after he dies and Ragnarok is changed by the timeline manipulation in Thor 3.

Kang and his alternate versions come into it in a big way.
Having a hand in Ultron's creation and taking Ultron to the future until Avenger's 2.

Pym would have an older version of himself who ran away from shield, was never heard from again because he changed his identity and focused primarily on other dimensions. Pym and Janet from the 60's end up time traveling to Avengers 2 where he's needed to help old Pym and Scott lang defeat Ultron. Selvig continues to give the audience more info on wormholes, other dimensions and timelines because he understands things differently after being exposed to the cube's powers. Iron man and Banner instantly form a bond with "Selvig" and young Pym. But Cap also forms a bond with young Pym and makes him more heroic because now he has someone to relate to who comes from another time. This inspires Selvig to almost want be a hero again, however he remains on the sidelines creating some of the marvel universe prisons: the Big House, and a maximum security prison in the negative zone, which the two Pym's discover together with Banner and Stark's help + shields resource's.

In the future of this timeline Thanos gets a gauntlet + all the gems almost no matter what, and Kang knows this. It threatens Kang's reign over the future, so he's here to hopefully correct Thanos destroying half the universe in the near future. Only because he has to have his future Empire rule the universe/multi-verse. Doctor strange is brought into it because one of his tasks as Sorcerer Supreme is to help Odin prevent the gauntlet from falling into the wrong hands. Odin doesn't know there are now two sets and Dr. Strange alerts him and the audience about what's going on. Thanos claiming one of the gauntlets in this timeline interferes with Kang's plans and how he set up his future Empire, starting around the time of Avengers 3 with Ultron returning again. So Kang had to travel back to this time to try every way he can to make this a timeline where Thanos doesn't succeed... that meant teaming with Loki to skip across dimensions too. While Loki was able to use Kang's time travel... and wants a gauntlet for himself and to scatter the doubles until such a time that he can claim both complete gauntlets... he never gets them all in his possession though and the gauntlets and the doubles fall into the hands of multiple other people when Loki dies at the end of Ragnarok and can't change his fate.

This sets Kang against Pym for a while, and it's why young Pym travels from the 60's and old Pym is actually Selvig-- changing identities to avoid shield. He never remained Ant Man in this timeline because he didn't want to be a hero and shield took his stuff... Old Pym/Selvig got mad when shield took Ultron's prototype and felt trapped by their offers to join shield in this timeline. He also thought they might kill him for what he knew and never remained Ant Man. This is why old Pym/Selvig really distrusts Shield and Fury. Also why the Beyonder needs young Pym in this timeline to help defeat Ultron the first and second times... creating the conflict between Kang and Ant Man because Pym is fixing the timeline a little by traversing other times and dimensions in his sequel with Old Pym. He calls himself Goliath when working with Lang and then Scott Lang dies so he adopts the name Giant Man-- but then reverts to Ant Man to honor Lang's use of it.

Scott Lang, Janet, and some of shield accompany him on his time and dimensional travels, Danvers before she becomes miss Marvel. Pym only ran away from them because he didn't wanna be a hero in this timeline. In Thor the "friend" he's talking about is himself: Never heard from again because he changed his name to Selvig and started studying bridges across dimensions... Fury probably knows it's Pym but also knows they need him. In the one draft of the Thor script when he says Pym as the friend's name he could be honoring his old identity...

Pym and old Pym work to maintain the current timeline in the ant man movies and deal with different times and dimensions like the negative zone. Imprisoning the Kang clones and trying to get Ultron out of Kang's hands.

Kang keeps making copies of himself when he time travels, but when Loki travels with him Loki can control and erase copies, choosing when he creates copies. Turning them into shadow copies or merging them magically.

Kang/Immortus can't time travel properly until they both claim one of the two time gems and keep them both away from Thanos.

They prevent Thanos from completing the gauntlet once he has all the other gems for one of the gauntlets.

After phase 3 gears up the left handed, nearly completed gauntlet, ends up in Nebula's hands.

Nebula, her background, the state of her in this time and the near future, plus her motives and punishment by Thanos may be introduced along with Thanos's quest in GotG.
She's a space pirate who has a relation to Thanos and ends up with a gauntlet at the very end like in the comics.
When GotG was in the early planning stages and there was uncertainty about whether it should go forward; Nebula may have been held back from being Thanos' lackey in the Avengers and the "other" may have been substituted in...

The inclusion of Nebula might show that they are going with the gauntlet/gems story in a new way because of her involvement in the end with the Infinity gauntlet in the comics. So Nebula has to be introduced in the right ways to make her eventual theft of a gauntlet seem plausible.

So like in the surfer cartoon she'll be after a source of power, space pirating at first. But it's a source of power the church holds and she hires some other ex-cons to help her steal from the Magus. However, this group of galatic ex-cons and one human don't know what kind of mission they just took on, and what they've involved themselves in.
Thanos/Nebula are after the soul gem that the church has been given by Kang/Loki at some point in time.

By introducing Nebula here as a space pirate ex-con who comes across the guardians and briefly helps them overcome a villain-- they can later reveal she was serving Thanos the whole time, and they can obscure how big her role may be in the end. Thanos is supposedly her grandfather, or father, but that may be a lie. She's served him before and it's never really been proven that she's related to him in some way because she does it to boast and speak about Thanos.

And then the movie ends up moving back and forth between the 31st and 21st centuries a bit with inter-cut scenes of what's going on in the future.
Her hiring the group to work against the church sets up some of the back-stories of the GotG and a few of their reasons for going after the church/ Magus, along with the human pilot who questions why they would go after a group claiming to spout the universal truth but trusts Nebula for now along with the team who just saved his life from this villain.

The plan against the church goes right and wrong, and the group figures out Nebula can't have this source of power and it might have been slightly better remaining in their hands and not the churches, or Nebula's after the church tries to tell them what's up.
So they set out against Nebula and her crew but Magus also wants his soul gem back.
Nebula tries to make off with the soul gem when the dust settles, and tries to evade Thanos, but Thanos finds her with the help of the "other".

Again Thanos is not seen to be manipulating things until the end where we find out Kang has also been manipulating timelines to get an edge on Thanos.

Kang has been up to no good.

"like the Pharaohs of old"

[jaqua99]

tldr. I read the last paragraph. I find it very unlikely they are going to be setting up Kang to get an edge on Thanos, in my opinion, no one short of Warlock and guys like that should be able to out smart him. idk what else you wrote. But consider this. After you write something like this, If you can, try to paraphrase it all before posting, because people are not going to read this dude. It's too long.

Also consider the fact that most characters from the infinity gauntlet saga may not show up

[Captain Marvel]

Came across some high-res stuff





http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9928/tumblrmb8oaeiolz1qli6yq.jpg

I prefer the top one over the bottom one. Thanos's outfit looks too much like the outfits on Asgard in the bottom picture.

[LokiDionysos]

tldr. I read the last paragraph. I find it very unlikely they are going to be setting up Kang to get an edge on Thanos, in my opinion, no one short of Warlock and guys like that should be able to out smart him. idk what else you wrote. But consider this. After you write something like this, If you can, try to paraphrase it all before posting, because people are not going to read this dude. It's too long.

Also consider the fact that most characters from the infinity gauntlet saga may not show up

TBH i really think, like a few others, that Thanos will have to be powered down a little bit to work as a character, and may have to remain in the shadows until Avengers 3. Only being briefly included in Avengers 2 and GotG until phase 3.

Additionally this would see many villains working together under Kang's plan against Thanos, and Kang only has a slight edge on Thanos because he comes from the future. A time when he knows what has already occurred. By his "like the Pharaohs of old" line in Avengers I think Fury already knows Kang has been all over this timeline... an incident happened in the past and Kang escaped to some unkown time with Ultron. Only to return with Ultron in Avengers 2.

Warlock comes into it later as the alternate version of Magus, but Magus gets introduced first in GoTG and is present in this side of the movie multiverse first.

Marvel wanted Silver Surfer and some of Fantastic Four's characters back. They may be covering up the fact they actually wanted the rights to Kang... harder to get because of the relation to Dr. Doom and Mr. Fantastic. When everyone else thinks they want Galactus (could still have him in the works too, because FF may not want to use him again).

There are other time and dimensional hoppers plus other protecting forces of the universe subtly assembling people against Thanos.
One of them may take young Pym from the 60's to the present.

And Kang and his alternate version can travel to a time when Thanos doesn't suspect things. Pop in and out of the timeline, like Loki can skip dimensions and have copies of himself in a way. The Magus will come to serve Thanos and survive GotG, but Nebula and Gamorra appear to be dead for now. And the other is actually a powerful ally too. Which means no one ever gets an edge on Thanos for long... but Kang has an advantage in that there are infinite versions of him that can come back from the 31st century and other parts of the multiverse.

That doesn't mean they won't adapt things while morphing them slightly and staying true to the comics-- having Thanos come out on top on one hand... and having all the other heroes and surviving villains have to team up to defeat him and save the universe/multiverse with the other hand...

Avengers 2 would then see Kang set Ultron, Red Skull and the masters against the Avengers to take the scepter back from shield after failing to steal back the cosmic cube from Asgard by using Malekith and an army from all across time and space... freeing Loki in the process. Red Skull may have traveled to a different dimension, but has he traveled to a different time?

Is Ant Man still set at least partially in the 60's?

Will GoTG be in the 21st century or 31st century... or both?

[marvel_freshman]

From Ironhead Studios, found by Nailbiter, a fellow CBM editor. Much bigger versions here (http://ironheadstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/Avengers-Thanos-Cover1.jpg) and here (http://ironheadstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/Avengers-Thanos-Helmet1.jpg).

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3456/avengersthanoscover1.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2619/avengersthanoshelmet1.jpg

[SuperSAINT]

That 1st pic is glorious.

[cherokeesam]

That 1st pic is glorious.

Agreed.
He looks even more badass without the helmet.
(And thus begins the whole "OMG WHAR'S THOR'S HELMET?!?!?!?!" battle all over again.....:oldrazz:)

[CosmicCap]

I hope they give him his look from annihilation for Guardians and save his classic look for Avengers 2

[jaqua99]

TBH i really think, like a few others, that Thanos will have to be powered down a little bit to work as a character, and may have to remain in the shadows until Avengers 3. Only being briefly included in Avengers 2 and GotG until phase 3.

Additionally this would see many villains working together under Kang's plan against Thanos, and Kang only has a slight edge on Thanos because he comes from the future. A time when he knows what has already occurred. By his "like the Pharaohs of old" line in Avengers I think Fury already knows Kang has been all over this timeline... an incident happened in the past and Kang escaped to some unkown time with Ultron. Only to return with Ultron in Avengers 2.

Warlock comes into it later as the alternate version of Magus, but Magus gets introduced first in GoTG and is present in this side of the movie multiverse first.

Marvel wanted Silver Surfer and some of Fantastic Four's characters back. They may be covering up the fact they actually wanted the rights to Kang... harder to get because of the relation to Dr. Doom and Mr. Fantastic. When everyone else thinks they want Galactus (could still have him in the works too, because FF may not want to use him again).

There are other time and dimensional hoppers plus other protecting forces of the universe subtly assembling people against Thanos.
One of them may take young Pym from the 60's to the present.

And Kang and his alternate version can travel to a time when Thanos doesn't suspect things. Pop in and out of the timeline, like Loki can skip dimensions and have copies of himself in a way. The Magus will come to serve Thanos and survive GotG, but Nebula and Gamorra appear to be dead for now. And the other is actually a powerful ally too. Which means no one ever gets an edge on Thanos for long... but Kang has an advantage in that there are infinite versions of him that can come back from the 31st century and other parts of the multiverse.

That doesn't mean they won't adapt things while morphing them slightly and staying true to the comics-- having Thanos come out on top on one hand... and having all the other heroes and surviving villains have to team up to defeat him and save the universe/multiverse with the other hand...

Avengers 2 would then see Kang set Ultron, Red Skull and the masters against the Avengers to take the scepter back from shield after failing to steal back the cosmic cube from Asgard by using Malekith and an army from all across time and space... freeing Loki in the process. Red Skull may have traveled to a different dimension, but has he traveled to a different time?

Is Ant Man still set at least partially in the 60's?

Will GoTG be in the 21st century or 31st century... or both?

I could see this. I am not sure about the time periods though. I think Thanos will be a major character in GoTG

[jaqua99]

So awesome!!!! The second picture looks awesome. I hope he wears that helmet always though. It's crucial to his appearance in my opinion. The little yellow horn like designs above his eyes is crucial to me

[jaqua99]

Check it out. I sorta meshed the two images together, put the helmet on his head to get us a better view

http://oi49.tinypic.com/rcn29i.jpg

edit: there we go

[cherokeesam]

^Ugh, no. Looks like a leatherhead football player from the 1920s.

[jaqua99]

well that is just a piss poor effort at trying. Gee thanks sam lol

[jaqua99]

Bump

given how the MCU is compared to the 616 universe so far, It's probably safe to say thanos will be scaled down a bit in power. But how scaled down do you think he will be compared to the rest of the mcu heroes and villains?

Do you think he will still be *that* much more powerful than them? What powers do you think he will still have in the MCU? How physically strong will he be? How smart will he be?

Though in the comics he is definitally stronger than your average Hulk, I think in terms of strength, he may be in between Thor and Hulk. But he very well may have some fighting skills (not sure why, i get that vibe looking at some of his concept art)

[metaphysician]

I suspect he will be of similar scale to the heroes as he is in the comics. I also suspect he will be of similar power to Odin at Odin's peak ( which Odin might not be at anymore ), given they likely fill similar niches as "leaders of super powered advanced races."

[jaqua99]

Ya i'm with ya. I just dont want thanos to get the shaft :P

[KangConquers]

Bump

given how the MCU is compared to the 616 universe so far, It's probably safe to say thanos will be scaled down a bit in power. But how scaled down do you think he will be compared to the rest of the mcu heroes and villains?

Do you think he will still be *that* much more powerful than them? What powers do you think he will still have in the MCU? How physically strong will he be? How smart will he be?

Though in the comics he is definitally stronger than your average Hulk, I think in terms of strength, he may be in between Thor and Hulk. But he very well may have some fighting skills (not sure why, i get that vibe looking at some of his concept art)

Thanos should be able to give Thor, Hulk and Iron Man a run for their money simultaneously, and that's without a cosmic cube or the infinity gauntlet.

[jaqua99]

a run for their money? I would hope he should be able to take all 3 of them at once

[Captain Marvel]

Yeah, Thor hopped up on Warrior's Madness and the Power Gem was only able to pull even with Thanos, so regular Thor shouldn't stand a chance. I loved that scene in Marvel Two-In-One Annual #2 where Thanos is fighting both the Thing and Thor and he beats the crap out of both of them. A scene like that between regular Thanos versus Thor and the Hulk would be pretty sweet.

[Darthphere]

The problem with these characters is that their power levels fluctuate so much. Usually for the sake of the story.

[Captain Marvel]

Thanos's really hasn't. He's always been depicted as being far above and beyond most heroes with his baseline power levels. Of course, it helps that most of his appearances have been handled by a single writer.

[jaqua99]

Ya. I wish he wrote him again

[jaqua99]

Bump. I don't really know where to put this, so I figured ths would be appropriate. Has anyone noticed that over the recent years in comics, Thanos has grew? Like size wise? He was hardly taller than thor, I know he is officially 6 foor 7. But now in some of his comics he looks like he is close to 10 feet tall lol.

He's gone from this, being around the same height as thor, like 6'7
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p184/tigertank1225/thanos51.jpg

To this lol where in the top right he's like...13 feet tall it seems lol
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/6253/365773-thanosimperative3___draxvsthanos1_super.jpg

and right before the fight, in the same story he look like...7 feet again lol
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbukoaN7JI1qzizmho1_1280.jpg

then during annihilation, it was the same drax, and now, he towers over him in that lol
http://i.imgur.com/DHJuT.jpg

[SuperSAINT]

I love that final cover. Brilliant.

[KangConquers]

I'd like to see a Thanos who is roughly a head taller than Hemsworth.

[Rum Runner]

Thanos can manipulate matter and has complete control over his own molecules. He has travelled through dimensions that have had adverse effects on him, such as turning him to glass, melting him. Yet he just reforms through pure will. If we ignore the fact that it's probably just down to different artists interpretations, it's reasonable that Thanos can shape shift and change his size at will.

I'm interested to know how they will create him in live action. Total CGI like Hulk? Or the actor in make up and enhanced with CGI similar to the Frost Giants.

[cherokeesam]

Thanos can manipulate matter and has complete control over his own molecules. He has travelled through dimensions that have had adverse effects on him, such as turning him to glass, melting him. Yet he just reforms through pure will. If we ignore the fact that it's probably just down to different artists interpretations, it's reasonable that Thanos can shape shift and change his size at will.

I'm interested to know how they will create him in live action. Total CGI like Hulk? Or the actor in make up and enhanced with CGI similar to the Frost Giants.

The Avengers epilogue set the standard for Thanos, even if Damion Poitier isn't the one who winds up playing the Mad Titan in future installments. They used an actor in costume/prosthetics, so it'd be kind of jarring for them to decide to switch to a CGI Thanos for GOTG/Avengers 2.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would love to see that final Annihilation cover re-created in the movie followed by an epic fight between Drax and Thanos, it would simply be one of the best moments in a comic book movie ever.

[jaqua99]

I know I am probably the select minority, but I have a very strong opinion that Thanos should NOT be just an actor in prosthetics and a bulky outfit. He should be like a head taller than Thor. which would be around 6 foot 7. We don't got a lot of actors that height. And not only that, but Thanos is a big guy. He's not hulk, but he should certainly be bulkier than MCU Thor.

For me, ideally, the best way to go for Thanos would be the prosthetic head, and mocap his body, because getting his body size right for an actor, that just seems to difficult. I think he should be a mix of both. Does anyone agree with me here? Or are we all sorta fixed on, actor in prosthetics?

[KangConquers]

I know I am probably the select minority, but I have a very strong opinion that Thanos should NOT be just an actor in prosthetics and a bulky outfit. He should be like a head taller than Thor. which would be around 6 foot 7. We don't got a lot of actors that height. And not only that, but Thanos is a big guy. He's not hulk, but he should certainly be bulkier than MCU Thor.

For me, ideally, the best way to go for Thanos would be the prosthetic head, and mocap his body, because getting his body size right for an actor, that just seems to difficult. I think he should be a mix of both. Does anyone agree with me here? Or are we all sorta fixed on, actor in prosthetics?

I've been a fan of the Captain America method in reverse. Shoot Thanos twice, once with the chosen actor in prosthetics, and once with a giant stuntman copying his performance as close as possible in identical yet larger prosthetics, to give you a strong reference.

After that put the finishing touches on in post. Blend the performance where appropriate, use CGI for appropriate shots. I think the idea of limiting Thanos to one thing will do him a great disservice.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

After seeing what they did with Hulk in Avengers, I personally want Thanos to be all CGI, He is around the size of the Hulk anyway, plus it would just make him look more menacing and other worldly.

[KangConquers]

After seeing what they did with Hulk in Avengers, I personally want Thanos to be all CGI, He is around the size of the Hulk anyway, plus it would just make him look more menacing and other worldly.

If you count every second Hulk was on screen though, he's only on camera for about 5 minutes in Avengers. You can't do that with Thanos, who will need significant screen time, without bloating the budget.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If you count every second Hulk was on screen though, he's only on camera for about 5 minutes in Avengers. You can't do that with Thanos, who will need significant screen time, without bloating the budget.

Hhhhmmm, this is true. At the same though, the Star Wars prequels were made for $125 million each and had extensive CGI in them.

The only issue with that though is that Rocket and Groot will probably have to be CGI as well, its a tough one.

[KangConquers]

Hhhhmmm, this is true. At the same though, the Star Wars prequels were made for $125 million each and had extensive CGI in them.

The only issue with that though is that Rocket and Groot will probably have to be CGI as well, its a tough one.

That was $125 M in 1999 money, which is about $180 M today. Most of that cgi looked like **** to boot.

If you do a full CGI Thanos, who gets 30 Minutes of screen time, and looks comparable to the Hulk in Avengers (along with everything else in the film)? You're looking at at least a $250 M budget.

They need to use lots of prosthetics, physical references and practical effects in order to make this film work.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That was $125 M in 1999 money, which is about $180 M today. Most of that cgi looked like **** to boot.

If you do a full CGI Thanos, who gets 30 Minutes of screen time, and looks comparable to the Hulk in Avengers (along with everything else in the film)? You're looking at at least a $250 M budget.

They need to use lots of prosthetics, physical references and practical effects in order to make this film work.

All 3 SW prequels cost $125 million, with the last one being 2005 as far as I remember. Also, look at the Transformers movies, not one cost more than $200 million, with the last being in 2011, and they all had extensive CGI and many CGI characters with plenty of screen time, so it can be done and has been recently.

It depends on the complexity of the CGI i suppose, but the bots in the TF movies do have a crazy amount of detail.

[Chris B]

I'm in the make-up/prosthetics/camera tricks camp as well. I'd don't think there is any quality of Thanos that can't be done with practical effects. They just need to find an actor who exudes physicallity.

[jaqua99]

I would hope you are right. Hemsworth is 6'4. Thanos on screen, in relation to Hemsworth/Thor, should be atleast 6'8 I'd say. Again, is that doable via camera tricks?

[Rock Sexton]

By his "like the Pharaohs of old" line in Avengers I think Fury already knows Kang has been all over this timeline... an incident happened in the past and Kang escaped to some unkown time with Ultron. Only to return with Ultron in Avengers 2.


More fan-fiction I see ......

[chamber-music]

They did a good job making the Engineers look tall in Prometheus.

[jaqua99]

They did a good job making the Engineers look tall in Prometheus.

how did they do that though?

[Chewy]

then during annihilation, it was the same drax, and now, he towers over him in that lol
Nah Drax got smaller in Annihilation

[KangConquers]

All 3 SW prequels cost $125 million, with the last one being 2005 as far as I remember. Also, look at the Transformers movies, not one cost more than $200 million, with the last being in 2011, and they all had extensive CGI and many CGI characters with plenty of screen time, so it can be done and has been recently.

It depends on the complexity of the CGI i suppose, but the bots in the TF movies do have a crazy amount of detail.

I'm sorry. For me the Transformers didn't look photo-realistic. They looked like big metallic shreks on the screen next to human characters.

[jaqua99]

Nah Drax got smaller in Annihilation

I'm talking about Annihilation, and Thanos imperative. It was the same Drax, he just put on his classic costume, it seemed. My point was that in Thanos imperative, he varried in height, ridiculously lol...i ithink

[MovieMaster]

Bump

So... Considering the recently-revealed plans for the end of Phase II and Phase III + Avengers 3, what does this mean for Thanos and the IG?

[jaqua99]

Bump...let's get this sucker casted

[ctsketch]

if he's even in it...

[MovieMaster]

Yay this thread's back.

Kevin Feige said the other day in his Collider interview that they haven't cast Thanos yet, btw

[jaqua99]

if he's even in it...

...

Yay this thread's back.

Kevin Feige said the other day in his Collider interview that they haven't cast Thanos yet, btw

figured he'd be the last to be casted

[lozzy.94]

We need a huge A-lister to play Thanos.

[MovieMaster]

We need a huge A-lister to play Thanos.

Jim Carrey!!

lol you guys remember that?

I'm not surprised it's taken them this long to cast. They know they do need an A-lister, but nobody can really think of anyone.

[jaqua99]

Jim Carrey!!

lol you guys remember that?

I'm not surprised it's taken them this long to cast. They know they do need an A-lister, but nobody can really think of anyone.

really? I wouldn't be surprised if it's not an a lister.

In fact, hasn't james gunn said himself that they don't need A Listers

[MovieMaster]

really? I wouldn't be surprised if it's not an a lister.

In fact, hasn't james gunn said himself that they don't need A Listers

He has, but I don't really agree with him. Sure the Marvel name helps but it would probably give the movie a real boost if it had well-known talent attached to it.

Would Iron Man have done as well if it didn't have RDJ, Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeff Bridges attached?

[mkilban2]

He has, but I don't really agree with him. Sure the Marvel name helps but it would probably give the movie a real boost if it had well-known talent attached to it.

Would Iron Man have done as well if it didn't have RDJ, Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeff Bridges attached?

no, of course not. But Marvel also wasn't the hit it is now when that film came out. 5 years changed a lot.

[Mr. Dent]

Thanos doesn't have to be some big actor.

[jaqua99]

Thanos doesn't have to be some big actor.

not at all. And I really really Prefer that he's not. I want to see Thanos. I don't want to see...*so and so* playing Thanos.

I want to see Thanos. If it's a well known actor, I won't be able to look past the actor, where as if it's a bit of an unknown, we can see thanos

[lozzy.94]

not at all. And I really really Prefer that he's not. I want to see Thanos. I don't want to see...*so and so* playing Thanos.

I want to see Thanos. If it's a well known actor, I won't be able to look past the actor, where as if it's a bit of an unknown, we can see thanos

Whats the difference? whoever they cast will only be providing the voice, in the Transformers films did you see Hugo Weaving? no , you saw Megatron.

[jaqua99]

Whats the difference? whoever they cast will only be providing the voice, in the Transformers films did you see Hugo Weaving? no , you saw Megatron.

You don't know that for sure yet. They very well could mix cgi, and prosthetics. If they do, it will be hard for me to look at the character as just Thanos

[Steve Holt]

Ron Perlman, nuff said

[BenKenobi]

He has, but I don't really agree with him. Sure the Marvel name helps but it would probably give the movie a real boost if it had well-known talent attached to it.

Would Iron Man have done as well if it didn't have RDJ, Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeff Bridges attached?

Helmsworth, RDJ, Evans, Sam mfing Jackson, Robin from HIMYM, Scarlett Johansson, Jeremy Renner. Thanos doesn't need to have any more star power than Tom Hindleston did when he played Loki. They just need to advetise it as an Avengers lead in like they did with Captain America and they'll get decent results.

[Colossal Spoons]

We need a huge A-lister to play Thanos.

I'd rather an unknown if for nothing else to keep cost down...if we're not gonna to full CGI.