The Villains of Ant-Man Thread

[BatsDC]

Who should Marvel's tiniest hero face in his upcoming movie?

Leave some ideas to discuss.

I'm personally hoping for Egghead as a main villain, with Whirlwind as a bodyguard.

[Colossal Spoons]

Egghead suffers from the same problem as MODOK, they would look really silly on the big screen. I'd personally not give a crap, but the general audience might not take it seriously. Good call with Whirlwind though :up:

[BatsDC]

Egghead suffers from the same problem as MODOK, they would look really silly on the big screen. I'd personally not give a crap, but the general audience might not take it seriously. Good call with Whirlwind though :up:

If they were to use him obviously I'd want Edgar and co. to adapt him to work. So, maybe not such a silly looking head.

[Colossal Spoons]

Korvac would make for an awesome villain, but he's waaay out of Ant-Man's league to take down on his own. Wonder Man too.

[spideymouse]

Korvac would make for an awesome villain, but he's waaay out of Ant-Man's league to take down on his own. Wonder Man too.Makes me think that if you introduce one of those popular Ant-Man villains that are too much for him to handle, it would be a great segue into an Avengers sequel... *cough*Ultron!*cough*

[Union Jack]

Ultron.
Have him like in the avengers cartoon as a good guy to start but a corruption here and there turns him..and have wasp and ant man take him down eventually.
but for the easter egg at the end have him not defeated but him very much alive at the end then pan the camera away to an army of them..ready for the Avengers 2.

[Sockie]

The Scarlet Beetle. (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/scarbeet.htm)

Come on. You know it would be hilariously awesome.

On another note, if Wright really does go with Lang as Ant-Man, Taskmaster could possibly be a villain in the film. He and Lang have tangled a bunch of times.

[Beikoku Taichou]

I'd like to see The Living Laser. There is an old Avengers story where he is trying to steal away Janet Van Dyne, and also he is a similar scientific mastermind with his own unique set of cool gadgets.

[Dark Raven]

Korvac would make for an awesome villain, but he's waaay out of Ant-Man's league to take down on his own. Wonder Man too.

Korvac is a classic Guardians of the Galaxy villain. He's even out of the Avengers league since he killed nearly all of them and the the Guardians combined without barely breaking a sweat. Yellow Jacket was one of those he killed. The only ones who survived (barely) were Iron Man, Thor, Vision and Star Hawk. And then they had to face his wife who gained the same cosmic power as him.

So yeah, no Korvac for Ant-Man.

Whirlwind is a regular antagonist. I don't know who added that entry on Wikipedia that "Johnny Whitworth had been casted [sic] as Whirlwind" with no reference whatsoever. As soon as I saw the grammatically incorrect "casted" I discounted it. Where do these people come up with these things? It sounds like wishful fan casting to me.

[marcvader]

Whirlwind, Living Laser, and Ultron are the only ones I naturally think of for the Pyms.

[The Overlord]

Egghead suffers from the same problem as MODOK, they would look really silly on the big screen. I'd personally not give a crap, but the general audience might not take it seriously. Good call with Whirlwind though :up:

If Ant-Man is supposed to be a comedy, Egghead may work best as the villain.

[Dark Raven]

It's not meant to be a comedy anymore than Iron Man is though.

[Tony Stark]

Whirlwind, Living Laser, and Ultron are the only ones I naturally think of for the Pyms.

I'd say Ultron should be a setup for future films (maybe Avengers 2/3?) He should be actively working on the Ultron project through the film and leave a teaser at the end for Ultron.

[metaphysician]

I say, don't feel restricted to Pym villains. Marvel has an abundance of general purpose villains. Pick a couple and declare them "movie Ant-Man villains." The Fixer might be a good pick.

[marcvader]

I'd say Ultron should be a setup for future films (maybe Avengers 2/3?) He should be actively working on the Ultron project through the film and leave a teaser at the end for Ultron.

I personally would want Hank to be working on Ultron in his solo and for him to gain sentience in it as well. Would be cool for Ultron to aid him and Janet in defeating whoever the villain is but as a result he turns on everyone at the end setting up Avengers 2.

[Colossal Spoons]

I say, don't feel restricted to Pym villains. Marvel has an abundance of general purpose villains. Pick a couple and declare them "movie Ant-Man villains." The Fixer might be a good pick.

like A.I.M.(sans MODOK)

[Tony Stark]

I say, don't feel restricted to Pym villains. Marvel has an abundance of general purpose villains. Pick a couple and declare them "movie Ant-Man villains." The Fixer might be a good pick.

Can they use Klaw? I was wondering if his rights are owned by Fox or not.

[marcvader]

Klaw is with Marvel but they're probably saving him for BP.

[Fives]

In AEMH's they had a episode with both Pym, and Scott Lang, and they had Crossfire as the villain. They portrayed him a little differently, but here's what he looks like in the comics.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/100776/2117058-sp.jpg

He could be an interesting villain. Maybe not the main villain, but he could be cool to see.

[Dark Raven]

How about Taskmaster? He's the villain that Pym, Janet and Lang all faced together when the character first debuted.

[Spider-Vader]

I want AIM (WITH MODOK) in the movie. The group is appearing is IM3, so Marvel's definitely planning something there.

AIM with MODOK as the head villain & Whirlwind as a hired goon.

[psylockolussus]

I want to see:
-M.O.D.O.K
-Ultron
-Black Knight
-Whirlwind

[chamber-music]

I always thought A.I.M would make great Ant-Man villains but it seems like Iron Man 3 is already using them.

Egghead could work. They don't have to give him a head shaped like a egg just make him a bald evil scientist Elihas Starr with the nickname/codename egghead.

[ironmaidenrules]

Maybe make Egghead the former scientist supreme

[Dark Raven]

I always thought A.I.M would make great Ant-Man villains but it seems like Iron Man 3 is already using them.

Egghead could work. They don't have to give him a head shaped like a egg just make him a bald evil scientist Elihas Starr with the nickname/codename egghead.

AIM are big enough and broad enough to appear as recurring villains in several franchises (Ant-Man, Cap 2 etc). They might not be a big part of Iron Man 3 anyway but just there in the background to show they exist. They can be the villainous counterpart of SHIELD where they keep appearing in different movies.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Radioactive Man could be set up from Iron Man 3 to be a villain in this movie maybe?

[spideymouse]

AIM are big enough and broad enough to appear as recurring villains in several franchises (Ant-Man, Cap 2 etc). They might not be a big part of Iron Man 3 anyway but just there in the background to show they exist. They can be the villainous counterpart of SHIELD where they keep appearing in different movies.I like that... We were discussing in another thread the idea of AIM being the Phase II lynchpin like SHIELD was in Phase I. I do wonder, though, if they'll tie The Mandarin to AIM. If so, I hope they don't limit the scope of AIM.

[VictorShade]

I like that... We were discussing in another thread the idea of AIM being the Phase II lynchpin like SHIELD was in Phase I. I do wonder, though, if they'll tie The Mandarin to AIM. If so, I hope they don't limit the scope of AIM.

I like that too. Cool way to further integrate the mcu!

( That, and all those guys that look like Stan Lee, snicker, snicker)

[Colossal Spoons]

How about Taskmaster? He's the villain that Pym, Janet and Lang all faced together when the character first debuted.

Man, that'd be a treat

[VictorShade]

As we delve deeper into the extended 'Family Tree', we find the Grim Reaper! Of course that's after Ulton, Vision and Wonder Man in regular continuity.

[Dark Raven]

There are actually lots more people connected with Pym than Scott Lang:

1. Wasp
2. Ultron
3. Vision
4. Jocasta
5. Scarlet Witch (by virtue of Vision)
6. Quicksilver (by virtue of Scarlet)
7. Wonder Man
8. Grim Reaper
9. Black Goliath/ Bill Foster
10. Original Human Torch
11. Eric Josten Goliath

and many more.

It would be crazy to leave out Pym as he's so central to the Marvel universe.

[VictorShade]

There are actually lots more people connected with Pym than Scott Lang:

1. Wasp
2. Ultron
3. Vision
4. Jocasta
5. Scarlet Witch (by virtue of Vision)
6. Quicksilver (by virtue of Scarlet)
7. Wonder Man
8. Grim Reaper
9. Black Goliath/ Bill Foster
10. Original Human Torch
11. Eric Josten Goliath

and many more.



It would be crazy to leave out Pym as he's so central to the Marvel universe.

Amen.

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

This film will be a sleeper hit of the MCU mark my words. I'd love to see Living Laser personally

[Da Games Elite]

I think that AIM should be involved, like a constant, reoccurring threat throughout some of the more grounded Marvel films. I even think AIM should be involved with Captain America, to an extent, but I feel that Ant-Man might really be suited for a fight with AIM.

...so yeah, MODOK. If Wright's involved, he'll make it ridiculous, but in a really fun way. Ultron should be developed in the background, though.

[gugumugats]

^I like the ideas about AIM too. I was thinking about that for how Iron Man 3 would set up for Phase 2.

[Da Games Elite]

^I like the ideas about AIM too. I was thinking about that for how Iron Man 3 would set up for Phase 2.

Or at least part of Phase 2. I feel that it would be a nice common thread that gives all the heroes a chance to go through their own stories while connecting them at the same time. That way, it feels more like a connected universe.

Of course, I have no idea if this would tie together in the Avengers 2, but...

[MahvelBaby!]

There are actually lots more people connected with Pym than Scott Lang:

1. Wasp
2. Ultron
3. Vision
4. Jocasta
5. Scarlet Witch (by virtue of Vision)
6. Quicksilver (by virtue of Scarlet)
7. Wonder Man
8. Grim Reaper
9. Black Goliath/ Bill Foster
10. Original Human Torch
11. Eric Josten Goliath

and many more.

It would be crazy to leave out Pym as he's so central to the Marvel universe.

great Post! it has to be Pym imo, I'd still be excited if it wasn't but I'd be less so.

[metaphysician]

Radioactive Man could be set up from Iron Man 3 to be a villain in this movie maybe?

I've heard that rumor, but it sounds weird. Not that I can't envision a movie Radioactive Man, but he just seems weird to use as an Ant-Man villain. How would Ant-Man fight him, even?

[marcvader]

He'll blind him with science!

[jaqua99]

I'd say Ultron should be a setup for future films (maybe Avengers 2/3?) He should be actively working on the Ultron project through the film and leave a teaser at the end for Ultron.

And boom goes the dynamite

[cherokeesam]

Radioactive Man could be set up from Iron Man 3 to be a villain in this movie maybe?

Or hero.

According to the rumor, Chen Lu is a hero in IM3 (he was the character that Andy Lau was originally pegged for), but he supposedly doesn't become Radioactive Man. And the rumor says that IM3's post-credit has Chen Lu confronting Ant-Man.

Which tends to indicate Chen Lu comes back for the Ant-Man movie. I don't see how that plays out, so I'm taking that rumor with a huge grain of salt.

[chamber-music]

I don't think the rumor is true. China doesn't want Radioactive Man or Chinese people villains in Ironman 3 be but they would be alright with a Chinese supervillain in Ant-Man. It doesn't make sense.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait, China seriously objected to that?

[chamber-music]

Wait, China seriously objected to that?
Yep they are co-producing Iron Man 3 so want China shown in a positive light.

[Colossal Spoons]

Aaah, I was about to ask why we gave a F about their objection

[Hypestyle]

curious.. I wonder if they would have some type of shrinking villain for a "nemesis" angle.. hmm... not sure if anybody exists already.. but marvel would own them if they created someone new.. I wouldn't mind.. I'll go out on a limb and state that Pym/Lang's "rogues gallery" is not really all that deep, outside of whatever general Avengers villains you could name..

[chiefchirpa]

AIM, Monica Rapaccini, Modok and so on. Science vs science.

[bored]

Wasn't the first Black Knight an Ant Man villain? He could appear, and then maybe set up an appearance by Dane Whitman in a later movie.

The likelihood is, of course, that the villain will be Egghead. Whirlwind could be worked in, since he's the Wasp's arch.

[slim_summers]

I'd like to see The Living Laser. There is an old Avengers story where he is trying to steal away Janet Van Dyne, and also he is a similar scientific mastermind with his own unique set of cool gadgets.

Definitely this.

[Spider-Vader]

I say save Taskmaster for a Hawkeye/SHIELD movie. Though, he could also be over at Fox if he appears in Deadpool first (lol that's never going to happen..... I made myself sad).

[chronos]

China isn't co-producing anything. It's a country, not a film studio. They are, however, allowing IM3 to film there and release the film there. And they are notoriously sensitive about how they are portrayed in film. "7 Years in Tibet" and "Red Square" come to mind. But it still appears as if Chen-Lu is a if not the villain of Antman. More than likely less of a bulky, glowing green supervillain, but more of a corrupt scientist that is pouring out radiation. Maybe they'll follow the modern hazmat style costume. Also, but I've seen Monica Rappicini's name floated around. I'd like to see her as a supporting villain, but she'd be great in a movie. There hasn't really been any female villains in the MCU, and she'd be a good addition.

[Ultra Ham]

Guys! Guys! Guys!
Come on!
The only option is Egghead portrayed by Simon Pegg's face being digitally edited onto Nick Frost's body! It's the only way!

[chamber-music]

Outside the names mentioned a few less well known old Ant-Man villians that don't suck are

Madame X/Comrade X a Hungarian super spy (master of disguise, espionage, stealth, ect) she is like a cross between a villainous version of Black Widow and Spider-Man villain Chameleon.


The Voice a radio announcer about to lose his job until a freak radiation accident gave him a persuasive voice that nobody can disobey it. His powers are similar to Purpleman and Jesse Custer from Preacher. He also worked for Red Skull.

They might make good Henchmen/women

[VictorShade]

In alot of those Tales to Astonish issues, Hank (& Jan), fight space aliens and fantasy monsters. Like 'The Monster That Walked', and 'Groon from Outer Space'.
Stuff like that.

[Artistsean]

Whirlwind (http://www.comicvine.com/whirlwind/29-6828/)
Ultron (http://www.comicvine.com/ultron/29-2242/)
Alkhema (http://www.comicvine.com/alkhema/29-19946/)
Count Nefaria (http://www.comicvine.com/count-nefaria/29-3229/)
Porcupine (http://www.comicvine.com/porcupine/29-12610/)
Egghead (http://www.comicvine.com/egghead/29-3797/)
Grim Reaper (http://www.comicvine.com/grim-reaper/29-7227/)
Growing Man (http://www.comicvine.com/growing-man/29-2266/)
Taurus (http://www.comicvine.com/taurus/29-5039/)
Taskmaster (http://www.comicvine.com/taskmaster/29-4578/)
Graviton (http://www.comicvine.com/graviton/29-13347/)
Super-Adaptoid (http://www.comicvine.com/super-adaptoid/29-10861/)
Dr. Nemesis (http://www.comicvine.com/dr-nemesis/29-29924/)
Arnim Zola (http://www.comicvine.com/arnim-zola/29-14876/)
Mr. Hyde (http://www.comicvine.com/mr-hyde/29-3233/)
Decay (http://www.comicvine.com/decay/29-13720/)
Ixar the Invincible (http://www.comicvine.com/ixar-the-invincible/29-46779/)
Atlas (http://www.comicvine.com/atlas/29-3277/)
Pilai (http://www.comicvine.com/pilai/29-76361/)
Pile-Driver (http://www.comicvine.com/pile-driver/29-58093/)
Torg (http://www.comicvine.com/torg/29-10278/)

These came from Comicvine, but the hard part is that I don't know which ones were Avengers enemies that Pym faced with the Avengers or which were just Pym's enemies. Normally I think Pym, as Ant Man and Giant Man fought generic mad scientists and giant monsters. Until he became an Avenger and then after that it was always Avenger bad guys. I think.
Maybe since this is his first film, and they are adding him to the Avengers universe, and since its been said he will be a spy, maybe they should have Pym acting as a spy for SHIELD and fight one of his scientist bad guys like Egghead but make him a Hydra bad guy, and have Pym and Janet face Hydra as the spies of SHIELD. Keep it simple, so that Pym will have more movie time to get the audiance to know him and to know his powers and technology and stuff.
Oh, and maybe Hydra is able to steal Pym's technology and one of Hydra's grunt agents, no one special really, is turned into Atlas. So it becomes Giant Man and Wasp vs. Atlas, Egghead, and Hydra.
Also, while his enemies might be Egghead and Hydra, Hank could also be struggling with his sanity a little... not too much. Just enough to let the audience know he has real problems.

[spideyboy_1111]

Ultron should be being built in this film... and not a villain unless he becomes one at the end of the film..

Egghead would work if he's just some bald scientist that uses the name Elihas Starr and there's a joke made at somepoint where Ant-Man calls him "egg head". Whirlwind would be great as well...

an out of the box thought (even though fox probably owns him) is Psycho Man .. who is also a villain who exists in a microscopic world...


Beetle would also be interesting...

[Artistsean]

Ultron should be being built in this film... and not a villain unless he becomes one at the end of the film..

Egghead would work if he's just some bald scientist that uses the name Elihas Starr and there's a joke made at somepoint where Ant-Man calls him "egg head". Whirlwind would be great as well...

an out of the box thought (even though fox probably owns him) is Psycho Man .. who is also a villain who exists in a microscopic world...


Beetle would also be interesting...
The film could show that one of Pym's side projects is Ultron, like the Avengers season 1 clips showed. Pym and Janet, in the clip, are working on a robot Ultron, and are called into action for the Avengers. So it could be shown that Pym is just working on this robot and leave it at that until later.

Whirlwind could also be a Hydra agent too, along without or instead of Atlas. I think that if they are going the spy rout and the audience already knows Hydra, maybe they should tie his enemies to Hydra. And tie him to SHIELD. What do you guys think?
With having to introduce Hank Pym, Janet, their relationship and connection, Pym's inventions like Pym Particles, etc, and then maybe his connection to SHIELD and becoming a spy as well as Janet becoming Wasp and him becoming Ant Man, and the bad guy.

[spideyboy_1111]

Or AIM

[marcvader]

Ultron should be being built in this film... and not a villain unless he becomes one at the end of the film..

Egghead would work if he's just some bald scientist that uses the name Elihas Starr and there's a joke made at somepoint where Ant-Man calls him "egg head". Whirlwind would be great as well...

an out of the box thought (even though fox probably owns him) is Psycho Man .. who is also a villain who exists in a microscopic world...


Beetle would also be interesting...

Yes, Ultron should be built in this movie and be a helpful benevolent robot possibly helping him out at the end to thin see the inkling of evil at the very end of the movie. The audience realizing Pym has being played all along.

[Jarael]

-Egghead
-Whirlwind
-M.O.D.O.K.
-A.I.M.
-Ultron
-Crossfire
-Taskmaster

I'd say there's plenty for Marvel to choose from when it comes to Ant-Man villains. My personal preference is to go with either the aforementioned Egghead with Whirlwind as a bodyguard, OR: slightly change "To Steal An Ant-Man" and have Crossfire be the villain.

[metaphysician]

Whirlwind (http://www.comicvine.com/whirlwind/29-6828/)
Ultron (http://www.comicvine.com/ultron/29-2242/)
Alkhema (http://www.comicvine.com/alkhema/29-19946/)
Count Nefaria (http://www.comicvine.com/count-nefaria/29-3229/)
Porcupine (http://www.comicvine.com/porcupine/29-12610/)
Egghead (http://www.comicvine.com/egghead/29-3797/)
Grim Reaper (http://www.comicvine.com/grim-reaper/29-7227/)
Growing Man (http://www.comicvine.com/growing-man/29-2266/)
Taurus (http://www.comicvine.com/taurus/29-5039/)
Taskmaster (http://www.comicvine.com/taskmaster/29-4578/)
Graviton (http://www.comicvine.com/graviton/29-13347/)
Super-Adaptoid (http://www.comicvine.com/super-adaptoid/29-10861/)
Dr. Nemesis (http://www.comicvine.com/dr-nemesis/29-29924/)
Arnim Zola (http://www.comicvine.com/arnim-zola/29-14876/)
Mr. Hyde (http://www.comicvine.com/mr-hyde/29-3233/)
Decay (http://www.comicvine.com/decay/29-13720/)
Ixar the Invincible (http://www.comicvine.com/ixar-the-invincible/29-46779/)
Atlas (http://www.comicvine.com/atlas/29-3277/)
Pilai (http://www.comicvine.com/pilai/29-76361/)
Pile-Driver (http://www.comicvine.com/pile-driver/29-58093/)
Torg (http://www.comicvine.com/torg/29-10278/)

These came from Comicvine, but the hard part is that I don't know which ones were Avengers enemies that Pym faced with the Avengers or which were just Pym's enemies. Normally I think Pym, as Ant Man and Giant Man fought generic mad scientists and giant monsters. Until he became an Avenger and then after that it was always Avenger bad guys. I think.
Maybe since this is his first film, and they are adding him to the Avengers universe, and since its been said he will be a spy, maybe they should have Pym acting as a spy for SHIELD and fight one of his scientist bad guys like Egghead but make him a Hydra bad guy, and have Pym and Janet face Hydra as the spies of SHIELD. Keep it simple, so that Pym will have more movie time to get the audiance to know him and to know his powers and technology and stuff.
Oh, and maybe Hydra is able to steal Pym's technology and one of Hydra's grunt agents, no one special really, is turned into Atlas. So it becomes Giant Man and Wasp vs. Atlas, Egghead, and Hydra.
Also, while his enemies might be Egghead and Hydra, Hank could also be struggling with his sanity a little... not too much. Just enough to let the audience know he has real problems.

Virtually all of those are Avengers villains foremost, or even completely unrelated to Ant-Man. Quite a few of them are also people Hank has no business trying to even run away from solo ( Count Nefaria? Graviton? The Super-Adaptoid? Seriously? ).

[Chewy]

Honestly the only characters who come to mind when i think "Ant-Man villain" are Whirlwind and Ultron

[marcvader]

And that would seem to be more than enough if it's a one off and he's joining the Avengers.

[pr0xyt0xin]

i assume he will just be facing Elihas Starr

[cherokeesam]

-Egghead
-Whirlwind
-M.O.D.O.K.
-A.I.M.
-Ultron
-Crossfire
-Taskmaster

I'd say there's plenty for Marvel to choose from when it comes to Ant-Man villains. My personal preference is to go with either the aforementioned Egghead with Whirlwind as a bodyguard, OR: slightly change "To Steal An Ant-Man" and have Crossfire be the villain.

Cross Tech, with Crossfire as their "point villain," would be the ideal enemy for both Lang and Pym. The way AEMH handled the "To Steal An Ant-Man" episode would work very well as the core plotline.

But Whirlwind, Egghead, MODOK....ugh. I hope to hell neither Wright nor Marvel Studios in general want to introduce these jokers. If you think general audiences are going to have a hard enough time as it is taking a character like Ant-Man seriously, you're going to compound that with Adam West-style clowns as the bad guys.

[chamber-music]

Besides the fact Egghead has a egg shaped head which they shouldn't do if they use him in a movie his basically just another evil scientist type character like golden age Lex Luthor and a million other supervillains.

Whirlwind is no worst than Whiplash who was in Iron Man 2 and MODOK is no worst than Hector Hammond from Green Lantern.

[cherokeesam]

Besides the fact Egghead has a egg shaped head which they shouldn't do if they use him in a movie his basically just another evil scientist type character like golden age Lex Luthor and a million other supervillains.

Whirlwind is no worst than Whiplash who was in Iron Man 2 and MODOK is no worst than Hector Hammond from Green Lantern.

And the unilaterally negative reception both Whiplash and Hector Hammond received for their big screen portrayal is all the evidence that's needed that we *don't* need to see Whirlwind or MODOK, either. :cwink:

[chamber-music]

Was Whiplash and Hector Hammond that badly received?

I don't recall a huge amount of backlash towards those characters and if there was negative views towards them it seemed mainly how they where handled and used beyond the aesthetics or popularity or portrayal.

I don't think these characters need to be the villains personally I would prefer AIM or something but I do think they could be adapted sucessfully with some changes.

[Artistsean]

I think they can work one of those bad guys, like Egghead, into the AIM or Hydra terrorist group. I think Egghead (would never actually be called that though) would be a rival scientist or a former co-worker like Obi from Iron Man 1, who tries to steal Pym's tech for AIM or Hydra. He could be shown like Hammer or Stane was. A More human enemy, but still a threat, a man with genius almost equal to Pym's. Atlas could be the "muscle" "enforcer" for the group. Egghead stealing the tech could lead to a showdown like at the end of Iron Man 1 where its Iron Man versus Iron Monger. Only here it could be Ant Man/Giant Man versus someone like Atlas.
And while I am making up plot ideas, maybe him fighting a giant terrorist as a giant himself, Hank Pym becomes a big hero to all of New York, and is asked to join the Avengers.

Anyway, my main idea though is that these guys could be worked in the way Obi and Hammer were worked into Iron Man 1 and 2. A human but brilliant scientist who joins the team of evil scientists AIM, and AIM's bodyguard could become Atlas thanks to Pym's stolen tech.
I think for Pym, being the scientist he is, AIM is the perfect bad guys for Ant Man 1.
He is a scientist and a spy, and AIM are scientists and evil terrorists.

[KangConquers]

I know people hate this, but what if we just combine Egghead and Whirlwind into one character, and make him a super-genius, Jan Van Dyne stalker with the Whirlwind's power?

[spideyboy_1111]

i'd prefer them being separate. both Whiplash and Absorbing man felt pretty cheap on screen in part because they're combo villains...

[Chewy]

I know people hate this, but what if we just combine Egghead and Whirlwind into one character, and make him a super-genius, Jan Van Dyne stalker with the Whirlwind's power?
Isn't that just a smarter version of Whirlwind? How is that a combo? :oldrazz:

[KangConquers]

Isn't that just a smarter version of Whirlwind? How is that a combo? :oldrazz:

You make him bald, and give him Egghead's personality. You also make the Whirlwind powers, tech based, since Fox owns the mutant concept.

[KangConquers]

i'd prefer them being separate. both Whiplash and Absorbing man felt pretty cheap on screen in part because they're combo villains...

I thought Whiplash started off great and went to ****; I never had a problem with him because he was a mixed villain. I had a problem because his arc went in the toilet half way through. He was more interesting than any Comic Iron Man villain except for Mandarin, Stane, and Masque. He was much more interesting than either the Crimson Dynamo or Whiplash from the comics.

[Doctor Who]

Well if it ties into Avengers, I think it would be interesting to get his origin story first. And perhaps if he appears in Avengers 2, maybe Thanos will be elsewhere or making an alliance with Ultron; also brings in the possibilities of introducing the Vision into the story. :yay:

[Spider-Vader]

For the MODOK haters, I think MODOK can be done seriously. He can be a very creepy villain in the right hands. If they got rid of the fleshy parts & the hair & replaced it with a computer screen showing a face, I think MODOK could be done right.

It's part of why I love the character. He can either be a serious, creepy villain or a goofy, funny villain.

[spideyboy_1111]

For the MODOK haters, I think MODOK can be done seriously. He can be a very creepy villain in the right hands. If they got rid of the fleshy parts & the hair & replaced it with a computer screen showing a face, I think MODOK could be done right.

It's part of why I love the character. He can either be a serious, creepy villain or a goofy, funny villain.

sounds kinda like merging MODOK and ZOLA into one to me

[cherokeesam]

sounds kinda like merging MODOK and ZOLA into one to me


And if Zola is in CATWS, as is rumored, then MODOK looks awfully redundant.

I hope Marvel Studios keeps MODOK hidden in the Basement of Things Too Embarrassing To See.

[KangConquers]

I hope Marvel Studios keeps MODOK hidden in the Basement of Things Too Embarrassing To See.

After green lighting a big budget movie starring a hero who shrinks and talks to ants, what's left to be embarassed about?

[marcvader]

a talking raccoon?

[KangConquers]

a talking raccoon?

Touche.

[Artistsean]

I think AIM would be the perfect enemy for Ant Man to face in his first movie. He is a scientist/spy/adventurer and they are scientist/terrorists. It works, he is a scientist going after scientists and a spy going after a terrorist group. Plus there isn't a huge need to explain their origins like if you went with some super villain like Magneto or Absorbing Man who have origin stories where they get powered or have histories that are important to their motivations. That would leave more time to focus on Pym/Janet/and all that.

[chamber-music]

So what does everyone think of these Radioactive Man rumors?

Chen Lu (Radioactive Man) is playing a Scientist ally of Iron Man in Iron Man 3. The rumor is the end credits feature his character and is a set up for Edgar Wrights Ant-Man.

Do you think Radioactive Man will be a villain in Ant-Man?

Hank Pym's Giant-Man has fought Radioactive Man a few times when his been a member of the Masters Of Evil

[cherokeesam]

So what does everyone think of these Radioactive Man rumors?

Chen Lu (Radioactive Man) is playing a Scientist ally of Iron Man in Iron Man 3. The rumor is the end credits feature his character and is a set up for Edgar Wrights Ant-Man.

Do you think Radioactive Man will be a villain in Ant-Man?

Hank Pym's Giant-Man has fought Radioactive Man a few times when his been a member of the Masters Of Evil

It's possible; but that rumor doesn't take into consideration that Chen Lu's character in IM3 is supposed to be a hero, who helps Iron Man find a way to defeat Mandarin. So it would require an abrupt change of heart for him to suddenly go full-on villain for Ant-Man.

[marcvader]

He could be helping his old friend Stark with alterior motives and appear the hero.

[Chewy]

So what does everyone think of these Radioactive Man rumors?

Chen Lu (Radioactive Man) is playing a Scientist ally of Iron Man in Iron Man 3. The rumor is the end credits feature his character and is a set up for Edgar Wrights Ant-Man.

Do you think Radioactive Man will be a villain in Ant-Man?

Hank Pym's Giant-Man has fought Radioactive Man a few times when his been a member of the Masters Of Evil
Why would the end credits for Iron Man 3 set up Ant-Man? Makes no sense. There will be at least three Marvel movies coming out between them

All of the other end credits scenes have set up either the next movie to come out, or their direct sequel

[Dark Raven]

It's possible; but that rumor doesn't take into consideration that Chen Lu's character in IM3 is supposed to be a hero, who helps Iron Man find a way to defeat Mandarin. So it would require an abrupt change of heart for him to suddenly go full-on villain for Ant-Man.

Well he could be corrupted by the radiation or could be acting out of desperate measures, either like Doc Ock or Sandman in the Raimi Spider-Man movies.

[KangConquers]

So what does everyone think of these Radioactive Man rumors?

Chen Lu (Radioactive Man) is playing a Scientist ally of Iron Man in Iron Man 3. The rumor is the end credits feature his character and is a set up for Edgar Wrights Ant-Man.

Do you think Radioactive Man will be a villain in Ant-Man?

Hank Pym's Giant-Man has fought Radioactive Man a few times when his been a member of the Masters Of Evil

Sticking a Thor villain in an Iron Man movie to set up an Ant-Man movie? *Head spins*

[Chewy]

Cameoception

[chamber-music]

Sticking a Thor villain in an Iron Man movie to set up an Ant-Man movie? *Head spins*
Do people still see Radioactive Man as a Thor villain or member of his rogues?

I know he fought him first but Radioactive Man has fought most the Avengers at some point and I don't remember him having any particular personal beef with Thor.

I see him more of a general Avengers villain. He worked for Egghead in the third version of Masters Of Evil as well as did Whirlwind.

A three villain team of Egghead, Radioactive Man and Whirlwind would be cool and they could probably pull it off without villain overload.

[metaphysician]

Here's a thought: who says that because Chen Lu is a friend of Tony's, and opposes the Mandarin, that he's a good guy? He could be a friend of Tony's because of shared professions and Tony being a likable guy, and oppose Mandarin because he doesn't want a supervillain conquering Asia. . .

. . .while also being a loyal Chinese patriot, which means if he ends up getting atomic super powers, he'd probably start taking orders from the their government. Which would likely involve doing things that people who aren't whole-hearted supporters of the Chinese Communist Party would call "villainy."

[pr0xyt0xin]

Well not only that, but Chen Lu might very well be a nice average dude, but when he blasts himself with radiation in order to help Tony he might see another side to life. O_O

[Dark Raven]

Well not only that, but Chen Lu might very well be a nice average dude, but when he blasts himself with radiation in order to help Tony he might see another side to life. O_O

Or he might be forced to commit crimes either because someone else is pulling his strings or because he has no choice as he operates out of self preservation trying to save himself or someone else.

I also don't think of him as purely a Thor villain. He's fought Iron Man a couple of times in his own comic and even worked for the Mandarin. And as someone else said, he's more of an Avengers villain.

[spideymouse]

Here's a thought: who says that because Chen Lu is a friend of Tony's, and opposes the Mandarin, that he's a good guy? He could be a friend of Tony's because of shared professions and Tony being a likable guy, and oppose Mandarin because he doesn't want a supervillain conquering Asia. . .

. . .while also being a loyal Chinese patriot, which means if he ends up getting atomic super powers, he'd probably start taking orders from the their government. Which would likely involve doing things that people who aren't whole-hearted supporters of the Chinese Communist Party would call "villainy."Hmm, that wouldn't go over too well in China. If you want to get into China's market, you definitely cannot cast the Chinese government in a negative light whatsoever.

[cherokeesam]

Hmm, that wouldn't go over too well in China. If you want to get into China's market, you definitely cannot cast the Chinese government in a negative light whatsoever.

So far, IM3 is the only movie that seems to have the need to walk on eggshells around the Chinese. Any Marvel movie after that has not been stated to be filming in China, so fair game.

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah, Antman is going to be a smaller film, not filmed in china, nor endorsed. it will be fine.

[Chewy]

So far, IM3 is the only movie that seems to have the need to walk on eggshells around the Chinese. Any Marvel movie after that has not been stated to be filming in China, so fair game.
If they want the movie to be released in China, it's not fair game. The Chinese government cut out the Chinatown stuff in Men in Black 3, cut out almost all of Chow Yun Fat's role in Pirates 3, and wouldn't even release The Dark Knight. All studios are walking on eggshells with all big-budget movies to adhere to Chinese censorship regulations. Just the way things work, unfortunately.

[spideyboy_1111]

If they want the movie to be released in China, it's not fair game. The Chinese government cut out the Chinatown stuff in Men in Black 3, cut out almost all of Chow Yun Fat's role in Pirates 3, and wouldn't even release The Dark Knight. All studios are walking on eggshells with all big-budget movies to adhere to Chinese censorship regulations. Just the way things work, unfortunately.

well... lets also not forget, for how big china's populus is.. there's alot of poverty.. and the movie turn out isn't always stellar anyway. sure it helps. but... sometimes you gotta choose to tell a good story, or make money.

I just hope they don't make Wasp asian, so that she can look like a positive influence over a negative.

[metaphysician]

It really depends on whether they actually care to release Ant-Man in China. I admit that, yes, my idea would kill any chance of it being released there. A part of me hopes they go that way anyway, though, because frankly, that's exactly what China *would* do if their were superhumans around.

Anyway, as for the other idea, honestly, I am averse to "gets powers, goes mad." Its an overdone cliche, and TIH has already used it twice. I would much prefer Marvel go with more interesting motives than "I am now randomly crazy."

[spideyboy_1111]

It really depends on whether they actually care to release Ant-Man in China. I admit that, yes, my idea would kill any chance of it being released there. A part of me hopes they go that way anyway, though, because frankly, that's exactly what China *would* do if their were superhumans around.

Anyway, as for the other idea, honestly, I am averse to "gets powers, goes mad." Its an overdone cliche, and TIH has already used it twice. I would much prefer Marvel go with more interesting motives than "I am now randomly crazy."

well... maybe it's a perspective issue? since Ant-Man is suppose to be a spy-ish kinda feel to it, what if he's trying to steal some of RM's creation? and possibly accidentally creates him at the same time... I also for see RM working for AIM and not exactly realizing their criminal background. and he get's labled as a villain because of it.. and wants revenge against antman for turning him into what he is..

that's slightly different than just "going mad"

[demitri_vampiro]

It really depends on whether they actually care to release Ant-Man in China. I admit that, yes, my idea would kill any chance of it being released there. A part of me hopes they go that way anyway, though, because frankly, that's exactly what China *would* do if their were superhumans around.

Anyway, as for the other idea, honestly, I am averse to "gets powers, goes mad." Its an overdone cliche, and TIH has already used it twice. I would much prefer Marvel go with more interesting motives than "I am now randomly crazy."

anyone would use superhumans for war purposes, and USA would be the first. its easy to call chinese bad guys but to my understanding they are not the one fighting more than 1 country at any given time.

and even countries in europe, like germany blocked a turkish movie called valley of the wolves during the US-afgan war because it showed a different side to the happenings.

[The Geek Vault]

My vote for a villain would be Egghead as the man behind the curtain with Swarm being the front man who fights Lang.

[KangConquers]

I want Daniel Day Lewis as MODOK.

Pym: Say you abandoned your Hoverchair.
MODOK: I ABANDONED MY HOVERCHAIR!!!!

[The Geek Vault]

MODOK would be an interesting choice for a villain though I think if they went that route some people would just think that the movie looked ridiculous (though real fans would know how awesome this could be) it would definitely give Ant-man a chance to show of his powers with MODOK being slow with his giant laser beam and Ant-man flying around dodging.

[Chewy]

I want Daniel Day Lewis as MODOK.

Pym: Say you abandoned your Hoverchair.
MODOK: I ABANDONED MY HOVERCHAIR!!!!
Oscah

[KangConquers]

Oscah

Could you imagine the method acting that would go into that performance?

[Chewy]

I kind of just want to spend a day with M.O.D.D.L.O.K. now

[KangConquers]

I kind of just want to spend a day with M.O.D.D.L.O.K. now

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE *tries to reach mouth...can't...pulls out a 6 foot long straw.*

[The Overlord]

Here's a thought: who says that because Chen Lu is a friend of Tony's, and opposes the Mandarin, that he's a good guy? He could be a friend of Tony's because of shared professions and Tony being a likable guy, and oppose Mandarin because he doesn't want a supervillain conquering Asia. . .

. . .while also being a loyal Chinese patriot, which means if he ends up getting atomic super powers, he'd probably start taking orders from the their government. Which would likely involve doing things that people who aren't whole-hearted supporters of the Chinese Communist Party would call "villainy."

Yeah and some people in Iraq may think American patriots are villainous, when patriotism goes from virtue to vice is often in the eye of the beholder. Frankly Radioactive Man being a Chinese patriot is how he is written in the comics now, which is more interesting then the generic communist villain he was in the 60s. China is sometimes America's ally and sometimes America's enemies, because different countries have difference interests and those interests conflict sometimes, but that doesn't mean they will go to war for them. That's part of the reason Radioactive Man was a member of the Thunderbolts, he has not being purely a villain for a while now.

I rather Radioactive Man remain morally ambiguous, rather then be a one dimensional villain with a gimmick. So I rather wouldn't Radioactive Man be the villain in this movie, I think that would make his character less interesting.

[Malcolm Belmont]

Personally i would like to see Eggman but out of all the villains..i really would like to see the Iron Man Villain Ghost in this Movie

[STR1]

a talking raccoon?


Oh God!.....I still don't know how Marvel is going to pull that off and make it work to the GA :doh:

[Malcolm Belmont]

Oh God!.....I still don't know how Marvel is going to pull that off and make it work to the GA :doh:

Marvel can make anything work..even a talking racoon

[Blight616]

I want to see Egg-head & Whirlwind as the villains. In fact they can have egg-head as a top AIM scientist with Whirlwind being one of his experiments / henchmen.

[lozzy.94]

Other than Whirlwind Ant-man's rouge gallery is just as bad as Iron Man's, so maby a tech based version of Whirlwind can work.

[Dark Raven]

If Toby Jones hadn't played Armin Zola, he could've been Egg Head.

But as for a villain, how about Taskmaster? He was first introduced in the very story that teamed up Pym, Jan and Lang:

http://www.investcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/stories/Avengers195.jpg

Wright should've done that story instead of "To Steal An Ant-Man". That would also tie in better with the MCU and introduce the idea of Taskmaster as someone who trains supervillains.

Taskmaster could've also led to some interesting cameos from other characters when he's recalling how he's observed different heroes. It could've had a cameo from Daredevil among many others just to show how he gained his abilities.

[chamber-music]

Of all the actors Edgar has previously worked with Bill Bailey looks the most like Egghead :funny: Not that I want to see Bill Bailey as Egghead.

http://s9.postimage.org/4i27nj8hr/billbailey_L_243x251.jpg http://s11.postimage.org/z84su2h83/Marvel_Feature_05_09.jpg

[Dark Raven]

I think Egghead could work as a serious character in an Ant-Man movie. He doesn't need a really ovate-shaped head, but it could be a little more pointy on top. Some men do have naturally egg-shaped heads when they're bald.

He would just be a scientist too (perhaps working for AIM?) and wouldn't call himself Egghead but just go by Elihas Starr. Maybe it would be Pym or Jan instead who taunt him with that nickname when they're fighting him, and not over and over but maybe just once or twice.

And Egghead could easily be used to push Pym into a "To Steal an Ant-Man" plot instead of using Lang. In the comics, Starr had Pym install a prosthetic arm on Starr's niece Trish, which was later revealed to have a bomb that would detonate unless Pym complied with Starr's demands. Pym then had to go and rob a nationally treasury of adamantium, and it was through that method in which Pym (once caught) was disgraced by the Avengers and fired from the team.

Now if the plot is modified, it could be that when Pym installs a prosthetic arm (or some other device) and is informed that there is a bomb, he is forced to go and steal some vibranium. However, in order to do that, Pym must first steal an Ant-Man suit (which could be owned by other scientists but the shrinking was invented by Pym) and break into the vibranium vault.

Perhaps he meets Jan along the way and she decides to help him. However, here instead, Pym isn't disgraced but, once he has the vibranium, Jan convinces him not to give it to Egghead. Then Pym uses his powers and the suit to turn the tables on his blackmailer and bring him to justice.

Egghead could basically set things in motion for a "To Steal an Ant-Man" story that Wright wants to do, but would change the motivation and the main protagonist to Pym, whom we all want instead, and still be an origin story.

[chamber-music]

I agree with you Dark Raven. I said on the first page that egghead could work as easily as a bald evil scientist called Elihas Starr with the nickname just being a nickname.

I think you would need Eggheads Master Of Evil team or AIM with him because he would be a bit dull as a villain on his own.

If Pym, Lang and Janet team up in the movie they could face a supervillain team.

Whirlwind, Beetle and Radioactive Man are three of Eggheads Masters Of Evil that could work.

[Dark Raven]

Whirlwind is already part of the Ant-Man/ Wasp mythology, so he would work well. Radioactive Man has been teased in IM3. Don't know if we will get him at all though or if this "Dr Wu" is just a friendly scientist helping Tony. Beetle has also been an Iron Man villain, so he could be brought in the MCU as well.

But Egghead's Masters of Evil also consisted of Moonstone and Tiger Shark. I think we could afford to see Moonstone in the MCU, even if she just shows up intially as her alter ego, Dr Karla Sofen. Tiger Shark should be saved for a Namor movie.

I see Egghead more like Armin Zola in Cap. The evil scientist, but not enough of a threat on his own. So yeah, Pym and Jan would need to take on some of those other goons.

And really, a dynamic of Hank and Jan is far more interesting to audiences than Lang on his own, which is what "To Steal an Ant-Man" originally is. I don't want Wright trying to pair up Jan with Scott. That's just unacceptable.

[The Overlord]

Egghead is a pretty generic mad scientist villain, he wouldn't work very well in a serious movie. He is one of those villains who got killed off back in 1982 and no one has bothered to bring him back.

[Hawkingbird]

He could work with some edgy writing.

[chamber-music]

Obadiah Stane and Justin Hammer were pretty generic evil business tycoons in Iron Man comics which didn't stop them being good villains.

You could always add or change stuff about Egghead to make him more intresting or threatening. Egghead is like Silver Age Lex Luthor.

[cherokeesam]

Obadiah Stane and Justin Hammer were pretty generic evil business tycoons in Iron Man comics which didn't stop them being good villains.

You could always add or change stuff about Egghead to make him more intresting or threatening. Egghead is like Silver Age Lex Luthor.

But Stane and Hammer looked like what they were supposed to look like: evil business tycoons. Egghead looks and plays like an Adam West Bat-villain (literally....Vincent Price played the DC version of Egghead). He'd be laughed off the screen by today's audiences; even the kids.

[chamber-music]

Egghead wouldn't be played like a Adam West Batman Villain though. He could be like how the leader is from Hulk.

[cherokeesam]

Egghead wouldn't be played like a Adam West Batman Villain though. He could be like how the leader is from Hulk.

Doesn't matter how he's played; how he *looks* is utter fail. Hector Hammond in the Green Lantern movie is living proof that the big-head villains are a very, very bad idea for movies.

[chamber-music]

Perhaps I didn't make my self clear or confused you. Egghead doesn't actually have to have a egg shaped head in the film just a regular shaped bald head :)

[Dark Raven]

And as I mentioned before, some men in real life do have a slightly egg-shaped head anyway when bald. It's obviously not as pronounced as Elihas Starr, but it can look a little pointier on top.

I've seen men also with enlarged craniums in real life. Not quite as extreme as the Leader, but still noticeable enough. Of course, they do look like freaks, but they do exist.

[cherokeesam]

Regardless, Egghead is a terrible choice. You either make him a goofy-looking Saturday morning cartoon freak, or you just make him a run-of-the-mill bald-headed genius. Nothing particularly cinematic about that. At least Whirlwind gives you an interesting and powerful supervillain with lots of vfx opportunities.

[Dark Raven]

Regardless, Egghead is a terrible choice. You either make him a goofy-looking Saturday morning cartoon freak, or you just make him a run-of-the-mill bald-headed genius. Nothing particularly cinematic about that. At least Whirlwind gives you an interesting and powerful supervillain with lots of vfx opportunities.

Egghead would only be like Armin Zola. He'd be behind things but you'd have Whirlwind and others as the physical threat.

[Ant-manic]

i think A.I.M should be the villans. and Elias Star should be part of that organization. they could also keep part of the continuity created for Ant-Man Season One; with Elias killing Pym's wife accidentally (intending to kill Pym himself). i also think Simon Pegg has the perfect head for it. he can do cerebral but twisted.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1439740672/nm0670408

Shohreh Aghdashloo for Monica Rappaccini (A.I.M's current scientist supreme and former member of the Black Orchestra terrorist cell)
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3022166016/nm0013037
http://www.comicvine.com/monica-rappaccini/29-41566/all-images/108-208869/scorpion__derek_khanata___monica_rappaccini_1/105-1310107/

and
John Noble for George Tarleton (another A.I.M agent jockeying for top position, in the flick - soon to become M.O.D.O.K)
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2806166528/nm0633604
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/39876/1301574-picture_3.png

[gerbstat]

Clearly the one and only choice for villain is The Porcupine...

[chamber-music]

Porcupine wouldn't be a bad idea for a henchman.

They could either have it be a mutated human the Billy Bates or Quill

http://s8.postimage.org/6do18ca2t/x_kenj.jpg

or they could go for army scientist Gentry inspired Spiked Armor covered with quill-like projections for defense and able to shoot its quills, or gases, flames, chemicals, paralysis-inducing pellets, or weapons from quill-like tubes, at an opponents.

Something like the Destroyer or Iron Man 3 destroyer inspired suit but with spikes all over instead of just selected places.
http://s18.postimage.org/ty7x5gfeh/thor_luma_03.jpg


http://s15.postimage.org/qf6lzngl7/tumblr_miwsya_Lx_Se1rwtl3wo1_400.jpg

[chamber-music]

More Ant-Man villains

Protector
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/protect1.htm

Hijacker
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hijacker.htm

Doctor Nemesis
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/drnemesi.htm

Para-Man
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/paraman.htm

A-Chiltraian
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix5/a-chiltarian_race.htm

Hidden Man
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hiddenma.htm

Darren Aginustes Cross
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/crossdar.htm

Time Master
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/timemast.htm#Tommy

[jaqua99]

Ultron