Dammit, Janet! The official Wasp thread

[R_Hythlodeus]

Dedicated to all things Wasp. Can't believe no one created one yet.

[spideymouse]

This forum isn't getting as much traction as the GOTG, not that there's a competition.

Wasp is a classic Avenger, but would they actually have her flying around with wings?

[cherokeesam]

I just hope Ant-Man has Wasp, *period.* :(
So far, there's been no discussion or indication that Wright or Marvel Studios in general has any interest in her in either the Ant-Man movie or any of the Avengers films, and that's a low-down dirty shame. Whedon even admitted that she was originally in the first draft of Avengers, but he wrote her out because he couldn't find a good way to work her in.

[VictorShade]

I would think so, the flying with wings, it's the Wasp! Before the Wasp folks would have to have already digested Ant Man, and accepted the shrinking process. Hank then could create cybernetic wings, and then graft ( harsh sounding I know ), them to Jan.
Through manipulation of the pym particles imbued on Jan and the wings specific, Jan could shrink and grow while the tiny size of the wings remains constant. The wings wouldn't 'grow' out her back, they would always be there, they'd just be tiny when she was big. Make sense?

[spideymouse]

I just hope Ant-Man has Wasp, *period.* :(
So far, there's been no discussion or indication that Wright or Marvel Studios in general has any interest in her in either the Ant-Man movie or any of the Avengers films, and that's a low-down dirty shame. Whedon even admitted that she was originally in the first draft of Avengers, but he wrote her out because he couldn't find a good way to work her in.That's too bad. It's kind of telling, as people here discuss adding new members to the Avengers sequels, that it's quite difficult to introduce new characters cold turkey in the Avengers films, and that it's better to introduce them in solo movies first--especially if they have superpowers. It was probably much easier to introduce BW and HE as highly skilled SHIELD agents, especially since they had already appeared in previous solo films, and neither of them has odd superpowers. If Wasp is to be introduced, she needs to be introduced in the Ant-Man film. But it'll be hard to pull off if Lang is the focus.

[spideymouse]

I would think so, the flying with wings, it's the Wasp! Before the Wasp folks would have to have already digested Ant Man, and accepted the shrinking process. Hank then could create cybernetic wings, and then graft ( harsh sounding I know ), them to Jan.
Through manipulation of the pym particles imbued on Jan and the wings specific, Jan could shrink and grow while the tiny size of the wings remains constant. The wings wouldn't 'grow' out her back, they would always be there, they'd just be tiny when she was big. Make sense? It makes sense, but it's kind of weird sounding. Makes me think of that caterpillar in A Bug's Life. =)

Another concern people have brought up is having three shrinking characters in a movie called Ant-Man. It would be like having Nightwing, Batgirl, and Robin in the first Batman movie.

[BatsDC]

I really hope Edgar includes Janet as Wasp in the film. Her modern costume should be very easy to adapt to the big screen, and her wings and size should be easy as well.

[spideymouse]

What I don't want to see are comparisons to Angel Salvadore from X-Men: First Class. Wasp needs to be visually distinct, and I don't just mean her size.

[jonathancrane]

The character's motivations and histories, comic and film, are different. For the GA, who have seen FC, Salvadore=villainess,
and Wasp=heroine.

Besides, Feige will make sure she has a distinct design, to avoid any similarities.

[spideymouse]

The character's motivations and histories, comic and film, are different. For the GA, who have seen FC, Salvadore=villainess,
and Wasp=heroine.

Besides, Feige will make sure she has a distinct design, to avoid any similarities.Thanks for comforting me =) I definitely meant the look and feel between the two characters. I expect Marvel to give us a speedy, graceful Wasp with great flying effects and smooth styling. Angel Salvadore (and a lot of the X:FC special FX, for that matter) just looked kind of cheap, like she was on a wire harness in front of a green screen. Holy crap, that's maybe what they did!

[Angamb]

Ant-man and Wasp are the two characters that Im more interested to see in the avengers sequels, with Black Panther being the next one.

maybe its because Ive read The ultimates first numbers and have watched the animated movies and tv series.

and since they are two of the original avengers, I think this is the right time to include them.

Wasp flying and interacting with Hulk would be a really cool watch, definetly :D

And Hank could bring an interesting relationshipt between Tony and Bruce at the same time, so......

bring them on, Marvel!

[VictorShade]

The thing that will distinguish Jan is good writing. Her personality should be an integral part of the character. Wasn't she originally a wealthy, socialite, fashion designer? The fun side to Hank's staight man. I like A;EMH take on Jan.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Originally? No. But she BECAME a wealthy fashion designer over the first 20 years.

[cherokeesam]

Say what you want about casting, but I think the role is tailor-made for Zooey:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/zooey_120611_m-400x300.jpg

There's really nobody else out there who totally embodies Janet's manic pixie dream girl image. If Marvel casts her, it will be a stroke of pure genius.

[Majik1387]

Love the thread title.

Christina Ricci, Samaire Armstrong, Olivia Wilde, or Alexis Daddario please. :yay:

[J'adore]

Even though MCU and Earth-1610 are different, I have a feeling that Marvel Studios will have something a bit similar to this when it comes to Janet:

In the Ultimate Universe, Janet is of Asian descent, rather than Caucasian, and she is a genius in her own right, holding 2 PhDs. She is also a mutant, but it is unknown everyone except SHIELD and her boyfriend Hank Pym. Her mutant powers allows her to shrink and grow wings when she is shrunken. She can also produce energy blasts which act like wasp stings. Her powers have strange side effects however, which include causing her to eat insects, forming her own larval nests, and laying eggs. She started dating Hank during college, but even during college Hank was extremely abusive to her. She was a roommate of Betty Ross, and Betty remembers times where Janet was missing chunks of her hair

The only thing that would be worth changing would be the mutant bit. Perhaps she is Wasp because she takes a protoype from Hank and it goes awry?

Anyway, this gives Marvel an excuse to also have a more diverse cast and perhaps cast an actress of Asian descent? Perhaps Kristin Kreuk?

[Sockin]

Olivia Thirlby is absolutely perfect for her.

[Majik1387]

Except not at all. Same goes for Kreuk; let her stay on that soon to be failed Beauty and the Beast on CW.

[Angamb]

I personally dont like the version of Wasp portrayed on the animated show Avengers EMH.

Janet as that funny, "normal" looking woman.... you know what I mean.

Id like to see a talented actress with a powerfull look, in the line of Scarlett J. or most superheroines in the comicbook movies from last decade.

Someone sexy, a bit more mature and talented. An actress on her 30's or so, to feat Tony, Bruce and Hank, in case they cast a bit more mature Hank too.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Kristen Bell would fit the character

[Majik1387]

That she would. :up:

[J'adore]

Hmmm...It would be an interesting choice. I can't picture it but it might work. I personally like Mini Anden for the role.

[cherokeesam]

I personally dont like the version of Wasp portrayed on the animated show Avengers EMH.

Janet as that funny, "normal" looking woman.... you know what I mean.

Id like to see a talented actress with a powerfull look, in the line of Scarlett J. or most superheroines in the comicbook movies from last decade.

Someone sexy, a bit more mature and talented. An actress on her 30's or so, to feat Tony, Bruce and Hank, in case they cast a bit more mature Hank too.

*koff* Zooey Deschanel *koff*


Plus, I'm not advocating this one, but I seriously think Mary Elizabeth Winstead may become a front-runner due to her working with Wright in Scott Pilgrim. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see Janet Van Dyne given a Ramona-type personality, but just throwing that out there as a possibility due to Wright's casting history.

[Majik1387]

I can definitely see him looking at MEW for Janet. :up:

I have no idea who he'd consider for Hank or Scott though. :huh:

[Jake Cassidy]

Love the thread title.

Christina Ricci, Samaire Armstrong, Olivia Wilde, or Alexandra Daddario please. :yay:

:woot:

[Majik1387]

:huh:

[Hawkingbird]

Say what you want about casting, but I think the role is tailor-made for Zooey:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/zooey_120611_m-400x300.jpg

There's really nobody else out there who totally embodies Janet's manic pixie dream girl image. If Marvel casts her, it will be a stroke of pure genius.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7dkspFS371rys4czo1_400.gif

[Angamb]

I loved Zooey and Joshep G. Lewit on 500 days

but Im watching the New girl show and... her character isnt as great as I thought it would be

Im not sure if I Zooey is a good choice. I think they should sign other kind of actress for the role.

[J'adore]

The thing about Wasp is that she's always been headstrong. And when put up against Ant-Man, she always seems to be the more confident and ballsy of the two (yes, even through the abuse storyline). Zooey just seems too Manic Pixie Dream Girl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl), when what you really want is Girly Bruiser (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GirlyBruiser)

[Dark Raven]

I want Autumn Reeser for the role. I think she would look perfect and has the right fun personality.

http://www.women-heels.com/celebrities-in-high-heels/Autumn-Reeser.jpg

And yes, I want the wings. I hope she even flies around with them not wearing her costume. Maybe she has to shrink out of her clothes one time to escape, so isn't wearing anything, or very little. I think she could look quite sexy, almost like a fairy.

[Majik1387]

Ugh.

[cherokeesam]

The thing about Wasp is that she's always been headstrong. And when put up against Ant-Man, she always seems to be the more confident and ballsy of the two (yes, even through the abuse storyline). Zooey just seems too Manic Pixie Dream Girl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl), when what you really want is Girly Bruiser (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GirlyBruiser)

I don't think so. Girly Bruiser, that is; Janet is definitely a MPDG.
Janet is a fashionista, and pretty shallow when it comes right down to it. Most of her conversations between missions tend to revolve around what kind of clothes to wear and just how hunky each superhero is. She kind of has a vicious fetish for playing on Hank Pym's jealousy at every available opportunity.

[Derrick9592]

Just something out of the blue, but what about Selma Blair as Janet?
http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/selma_blair/fotos/7212/selma_blair.jpg

[Silvermoth]

That could be interesting. Selma is pretty good with comedy.

I have a feeling they'll go for an Asian actress though. I wouldn't mind, it would be quite interesting. I'll have to think of a good pick though

[Dark Raven]

I don't think so. Girly Bruiser, that is; Janet is definitely a MPDG.
Janet is a fashionista, and pretty shallow when it comes right down to it. Most of her conversations between missions tend to revolve around what kind of clothes to wear and just how hunky each superhero is. She kind of has a vicious fetish for playing on Hank Pym's jealousy at every available opportunity.

Yeah, Janet is not a girly bruiser. If you make her that, you completely change her personality. Why make her that when there are others who are more like that - eg Ms Marvel or She-Hulk.

Janet has sometimes come across as slightly air-headish, but that's partly an act, as she has proven herself a capable leader of the Avengers and a smart thinker. She has been described before as the Jackie Kennedy of comic book women. Her classic hairstyle is even reminiscent of hers.

In terms of her personality, I think she's like every quirky, slightly geeky and spunky female character you get on these shows, whether sitcoms or action series. She should be quick talking and quick witted with smart comments coming out of her mouth frequently.

That's why I like her portrayal on A:EMH.

[cherokeesam]

Yeah, Janet is not a girly bruiser. If you make her that, you completely change her personality. Why make her that when there are others who are more like that - eg Ms Marvel or She-Hulk.

Janet has sometimes come across as slightly air-headish, but that's partly an act, as she has proven herself a capable leader of the Avengers and a smart thinker. She has been described before as the Jackie Kennedy of comic book women. Her classic hairstyle is even reminiscent of hers.

In terms of her personality, I think she's like every quirky, slightly geeky and spunky female character you get on these shows, whether sitcoms or action series. She should be quick talking and quick witted with smart comments coming out of her mouth frequently.

That's why I like her portrayal on A:EMH.

ZOOEY ZOOEY ZOOEY :yay:

Seriously: have I mentioned how much Zooey Deschanel fits that description of Wasp....?

[Dark Raven]

I just wanted to point out that Janet should also seem like a celebrity. That's part of why Pym has often felt inferior next to her. She naturally hogs the limelight and reporters want to know trivial things about her or her next fashion outfit instead of Pym's heroics. I've mentioned Jackie Kennedy, but the relationship between those two is often similar to Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. DiMaggio was supposed to be known in his own right as a baseball player, but he often paled in significance next to Marilyn.

Or another analogy is Farah Fawcett and Lee Majors. Majors was often overshadowed by his wife even though he had his own popular TV show.

So yeah, Hank should sometimes almost come across as Mr Van Dyne instead of her being Mrs Pym.

[FVD]

I wouldn't mind Autumn Reeser for Janet. MEW too if she doesn't end up as Mary Jane.

[marcvader]

I find Janet to be a really bubbly girly-girl and I don't find Zooey to be that type of girl.

[Dark Raven]

They need a fun character like Jan in these Marvel movies. You'd think she seems like the typical Joss Whedon character he would normally write. She should almost be like a female RDJ - very charismatic and quick witted and charming. A celebrity who loves the spotlight. In terms of celebrity status within the Marvel universe, she is like a female Tony Stark.

[J'adore]

I don't think so. Girly Bruiser, that is; Janet is definitely a MPDG.
Janet is a fashionista, and pretty shallow when it comes right down to it. Most of her conversations between missions tend to revolve around what kind of clothes to wear and just how hunky each superhero is. She kind of has a vicious fetish for playing on Hank Pym's jealousy at every available opportunity.

Yeah, Janet is not a girly bruiser. If you make her that, you completely change her personality. Why make her that when there are others who are more like that - eg Ms Marvel or She-Hulk.

Janet has sometimes come across as slightly air-headish, but that's partly an act, as she has proven herself a capable leader of the Avengers and a smart thinker. She has been described before as the Jackie Kennedy of comic book women. Her classic hairstyle is even reminiscent of hers.

In terms of her personality, I think she's like every quirky, slightly geeky and spunky female character you get on these shows, whether sitcoms or action series. She should be quick talking and quick witted with smart comments coming out of her mouth frequently.

That's why I like her portrayal on A:EMH.

Really? In the Ultimate Universe (which is what the MCU bases off) she's quite ballsy and fierce! But those descriptions of her would be fun to see as well in the movie :yay: I just don't think Zooey can pull it off! She'd be a weak presence compared to the rest of the Avengers. Also, a Girly bruiser is quoted as
The majority of Action Girls out there are all fairly feminine in their own right, but there tends to be a line drawn between exactly how feminine an Action Girl can be. This character however defies that. She will be a badass, but she can just as easily be the girliest of girly girls.

They're different to Action Girls. Janet is a girly, fun, bubbly fashionista but is also quite gritty and cunning when the time comes.

I like the suggestion for Autumn.... Surprisingly fits.

[metaphysician]

They need a fun character like Jan in these Marvel movies. You'd think she seems like the typical Joss Whedon character he would normally write. She should almost be like a female RDJ - very charismatic and quick witted and charming. A celebrity who loves the spotlight. In terms of celebrity status within the Marvel universe, she is like a female Tony Stark.

This is my take, too. The main difference is that Tony is driven by tragedy and his own obsessive, borderline egomaniacal tendencies. Jan should be more purely of the "wow, this is so awesome!" mindset; she's a nice person who likes helping people, and likes showing off, becoming a superhero is a natural extension.

Basically, the key to doing Janet is that she has to be the kind of person that everyone likes. She may seem a little air-headed on first look, but she's too nice to hold it against her ( and those who actually know her find out that she's the kind of heiress who started with X million dollars, and turned it into 10X million dollars ).

[Dark Raven]

This is my take, too. The main difference is that Tony is driven by tragedy and his own obsessive, borderline egomaniacal tendencies. Jan should be more purely of the "wow, this is so awesome!" mindset; she's a nice person who likes helping people, and likes showing off, becoming a superhero is a natural extension.

Basically, the key to doing Janet is that she has to be the kind of person that everyone likes. She may seem a little air-headed on first look, but she's too nice to hold it against her ( and those who actually know her find out that she's the kind of heiress who started with X million dollars, and turned it into 10X million dollars ).

That's what I liked about Autumn Reeser's character in "No Ordinary Family". She was one of the few in there who thought that having super powers was so cool and kept making all kinds of comic book references. The other characters (like Julie Benz) didn't really seem to want to embrace her powers but keep them hidden.

I think people should make assumptions about Janet that she's some spoilt rich ***** and airheaded heiress, but they'll find out they're wrong about her. She is genuinely altruistic and hasn't just lived off her father's money but put in a lot of hard work. But she should almost seem at first like a Playgirl (if you can call that the equivalent of a Playboy?) with whom there is more to than meets the eye.

And it should be that at first Tony might think (if he's not still dating Pepper) that the two of them should be very compatible because they're both party animals, but discovers that in fact she's like him in wanting to be with a male Pepper equivalent (ie Hank) who does all the hard work but is often underappreciated, but really she does appreciate him. She's just a tease and a flirt and pretends not to notice because she's trying to get him to come out of himself.

[BatsDC]

I don't personally like Autumn Reeser for the role.

The MEW suggestion is interesting. Hadn't thought of that before.

[Steve Holt]

Anna Kendrick, great actress, and she's banging Edgar Wright

[chronos]

I gotta say, MEW has got my vote. She's a good actress, she's got a great working relationship with Edgar, and she's famous enough to be a lead role, but not overly famous to the degree that she'd take a huge bite out of the budget to cast. She's proven she can do action roles, but also keep them lighthearted enough to show that the character's having fun.

[Majik1387]

I think Kendrick is too small for the role personally, but I wouldn't complain if she were cast.
I do like MEW for this heroine only. :up:

[Eddie Dean]

Isn't Wasp supposed to be small? :awesome:

[Dark Raven]

If I recall correctly, Jan is normally listed as being 5'4". They might've changed it over the years.

[Eddie Dean]

Really? I thought she was much closer to the size of a wasp.

[Dark Raven]

Really? I thought she was much closer to the size of a wasp.

She is not permanently that size. Only when she shrinks. Her normal height is about 5'4". You're not going to get an actress who is wasp-sized, and you shouldn't even seek a dwarf for the part, just because they're closer to wasp size than someone who is taller.

[Eddie Dean]

I'm all for diversity in comic book films. Frankly, wasp sized actress are underrepresented in the lamestream media and this is a perfect opportunity to use one. Now if we could only find someone is is actually wasp sized.

[Nite-Watchman]

http://newspaper.li/static/eb68af224805b8555e32eff08e413ae6.jpg


Ashley Greene is my only choice, nobody else makes the cut.

[Majik1387]

Ugh, another hell no to Michael Jackson-nosed Greene. :down

[LegendAssemble]

I'm all for diversity in comic book films. Frankly, wasp sized actress are underrepresented in the lamestream media and this is a perfect opportunity to use one. Now if we could only find someone is is actually wasp sized.

You see this, NOT being insanely offensive to little people!? I mean there no humans that could live being "Wasp Size". So if she has the power to become a midget, you basically want the movie to look like this

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljdmw2L82L1qbqt8go1_500.gif

[Majik1387]

Somebody missed the sarcasm....

[Nite-Watchman]

Ugh, another hell no to Michael Jackson-nosed Greene. :down

Pixie noses existed before Michael Jackson decided to become a mutant, so you're engaging in crazy talk.

[Majik1387]

That is not a pixie nose.

[Nite-Watchman]

...

[marcvader]

What the f is a pixie nose. That sounds retarded.

[cryptic name]

Ugh, another hell no to Michael Jackson-nosed Greene. :down

Catty...

[J'adore]

Rooney Mara, Autumn Reeser, Evangline Lily and Alison Brie are some other people I wouldn't mind getting cast as Janet

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

I think im leaning towards evangline lilly as Wasp, i loved her in Lost. She has her moments where she is super cute and has angst for not setting back watching things pan out. Which IMO are two neccesary qualities i want in Wasp.

[Artistsean]

Not just casting, but since they will be in the same universe as Black Widow and the
other Avengers, they could make Wasp's "Stingers" like this:




SPOILER if you haven't seen the movie!






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http://www.dailyblam.com/sites/all/files/widow_spot.JPG

It could be revealed that Black Widow's "Stingers" were invented by SHIELD scientist Hank Pym, and so Janet uses them as weapons for being Wasp. It would make the worlds connected and smaller in that they don't have two different inventions that don't exist.

[cherokeesam]

Not just casting, but since they will be in the same universe as Black Widow and the
other Avengers, they could make Wasp's "Stingers" like this:




SPOILER if you haven't seen the movie!






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http://www.dailyblam.com/sites/all/files/widow_spot.JPG

It could be revealed that Black Widow's "Stingers" were invented by SHIELD scientist Hank Pym, and so Janet uses them as weapons for being Wasp. It would make the worlds connected and smaller in that they don't have two different inventions that don't exist.

I like that idea.
Except maybe make Janet's more powered-up, and give them a longer range.

[Chewy]

It could be revealed that Black Widow's "Stingers" were invented by SHIELD scientist Hank Pym, and so Janet uses them as weapons for being Wasp. It would make the worlds connected and smaller in that they don't have two different inventions that don't exist.
Making the worlds smaller is not a good thing. There can be more than one "zapping" invention.

[Ultra Nolanite]

The girl who played the mechanic on Firefly, but with darker hair.

[marcvader]

The girl who played the mechanic on Firefly, but with darker hair.
She is cute. I'll give you that.

[Chewy]

Has she done anything post-Firefly? I remember thinking she was good in it.

[marcvader]

Not sure, but she was really funny.

[Majik1387]

I would love Jewel Staite as Wasp. She was my choice for Pepper Potts before Gwyneth got the role.

[Artistsean]

Making the worlds smaller is not a good thing. There can be more than one "zapping" invention.
I just mean it would make things more connected if Hank Pym is a SHIELD scientist who invented the Stingers for Black Widow and Janet. Its like when it was revealed that Hulk was created when he was trying to duplicate the Super Soldier Serum that made Captain America,
or how Stark's blasters make the same sound that Hydra's guns make, and their guns were based on the cosmic cube (which Stark's father found) so his arc reactor and blasters connect back to the cosmic cube.
It just makes things more connected and simpler.
So they could reveal that Janet's Stingers are the same weapon as Black Widow's only maybe modified by her Hank (the inventor). Since Black Widow is a SHIELD agent, and Ant Man is going to be a spy (probably for SHIELD). It would also explain without explaining where Black Widow got those stingers.

[PyroChamber]

Has she done anything post-Firefly? I remember thinking she was good in it.She was on Stargate Atlantis.

[Hawkingbird]

I'm really wanting Ultimate Wasp (Asian) but with her 616 personality.

[Chewy]

I just mean it would make things more connected if Hank Pym is a SHIELD scientist who invented the Stingers for Black Widow and Janet.
I know. But making everyone and everything in the world connected cheapens the "universe" thing they're going for and makes it seem really small. There's no reason to tie together stuff that doesn't need to be tied.

[PyroChamber]

I'm really wanting Ultimate Wasp (Asian) but with her 616 personality.Which would go back to Brenda Song.

[J'adore]

I recently watched Cabin In The Woods and I think Amy Acker would be a good choice for Janet. She was in Angel as well. She's got the perfect mix of nerdy, funny and sexy like Janet.

[Artistsean]

I know. But making everyone and everything in the world connected cheapens the "universe" thing they're going for and makes it seem really small. There's no reason to tie together stuff that doesn't need to be tied.
Agree ti dissagree then. Thats fine. I think it would be a great idea. Would show connections to other characters and movies without really trying or pointing it out.

[jaqua99]

Nobody should play Janet. Unless she is just a scientist. I hated her in secret wars, hated her in A:EMH, hated her in every comic i have seen her in. Keep her out

[Dark Raven]

Nobody should play Janet. Unless she is just a scientist. I hated her in secret wars, hated her in A:EMH, hated her in every comic i have seen her in. Keep her out

Or maybe you just don't watch the movie instead of having to satisfy you.

[Artistsean]

I think they need Janet. Not just because she is a crusial character from the comics, or one of the original Avengers. And not just because she is a big time Marvel female character, not just a side character but a main superhero character. And not just because she is a main character in Ant Man, but also because she is a character that is needed for the movie I think. If Hank is shown to be the character he is in the comics, she will be needed to help humanize him I think. If he is a solely science minded genious who becomes a super spy the audience might fight Hank hard to relate to and hard to like perhaps.

[chamber-music]

Janet is the normal Avenger/superhero and a POV character for the audience. She was the one who pointes out when other characters are acting like jerks and was the glue that held the Avengers together.

The whole unstable superhero group question that was brought up to Fury in the Avengers could be answered by a character like Wasp. She really pushed the team aspect.

Janet was also used as the audience voice to ask questions to scientific genuis like Pym or Stark when they are coming up with some plan of tech in a story as a way of explaining it to the audience.

In terms of her relationship with Hank Pym they are partners be it in a relationship or a superheroes. Ant-Man and Wasp are like Batman and Robin or Mr Fantastic and the Invisable Woman.

[Dark Raven]

Janet is also a typical Whedon-type of character, so I'm sure he'd want to use her in a future movie.

[marcvader]

Nobody should play Janet. Unless she is just a scientist. I hated her in secret wars, hated her in A:EMH, hated her in every comic i have seen her in. Keep her out

Sorry, but you're going to have to come to grips with the idea that she will eventually be part of the team. She's essential to Avengers lore.

[gkokujin]

Nobody should play Janet. Unless she is just a scientist. I hated her in secret wars, hated her in A:EMH, hated her in every comic i have seen her in. Keep her out

they dumbed her ALL the way down, and made her comic relief.
But this doesn't deter me from liking and wanting her character.

I wonder if they will go the Ultimate route, make her a mutant, and Pym's shrinking based off of the super soldier serum, or just say screw it and use Pym particles?

or....



the Tesseract has fragments saved by SHIELD and they tapped into the power of it in various ways, such as SHRINKING objects.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Nobody should play Janet. Unless she is just a scientist. I hated her in secret wars, hated her in A:EMH, hated her in every comic i have seen her in. Keep her out

this is no reason to not have her in the film. :doh:

i dont like wonder woman, doesnt mean i dont want her in the justice league movie.

[chamber-music]

they dumbed her ALL the way down, and made her comic relief.
But this doesn't deter me from liking and wanting her character.

I wonder if they will go the Ultimate route, make her a mutant, and Pym's shrinking based off of the super soldier serum, or just say screw it and use Pym particles?

or....

the Tesseract has fragments saved by SHIELD and they tapped into the power of it in various ways, such as SHRINKING objects.
I don't think Marvel is going to touch the mutant stuff as it might give Fox a chance to sue them again.

I don't think Pym's particles should come from the super soldier serum or Tesseract. I think it would be better if its something he just discovers during his research like in the comics.

Wright has said nanotechnology is going to play a role in Ant-Man and its rumored Iron Man 3 with its Extremis military nanotechnology serum plotline might have some stuff than ties into Ant-Man.

[Artistsean]

they dumbed her ALL the way down, and made her comic relief.
But this doesn't deter me from liking and wanting her character.

I wonder if they will go the Ultimate route, make her a mutant, and Pym's shrinking based off of the super soldier serum, or just say screw it and use Pym particles?

or....



the Tesseract has fragments saved by SHIELD and they tapped into the power of it in various ways, such as SHRINKING objects.
I am thinking she wont be a mutant, since Fox (I think it is) owns the X-Men rights and Wolverine so they basically own the rights to the idea of Mutants on the big screen. Which unfortunately also means no Scarlet Witch or Quicksilver I think.
I think they will go with the traditional rout but mix in Ultimate elements, like have Pym invent the Pym particles but maybe have them mutate her instead of mechanical wings or something. They are pretty good about using the classic comic stuff and mixing in Ultiamte elements to make it more accessible. So whatever they do I am sure it will be close enough to the comics.
I am thinking that Janet could be Pym's financial backer for his experiments (and I'd love Bill Foster and Scott Lang to be in the lab to working for Pym) and he is called into to be a spy for SHIELD and she comes with him and becomes his partner.
Or perhaps he is already a SHIELD scientist, needing no backer, and Janet is his lab assistant. Or, again, maybe she funds SHIELD research with her vast fortune.

[chamber-music]

According to Kevin Feige Marvel share the rights with Fox on Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

We don't know the plot for Ant-Man but I think the 616 origin would works fine with Hank work for Janets father and then when he dies Janet taking over the company and teaming up with Hank to avenge his death. Janet can me an exec in her fathers company already before her fathers death.

[PyroChamber]

Janet is also a typical Whedon-type of character, so I'm sure he'd want to use her in a future movie.I see her being sort of a Cordelia Chase type.

[Dark Raven]

According to Kevin Feige Marvel share the rights with Fox on Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

We don't know the plot for Ant-Man but I think the 616 origin would works fine with Hank work for Janets father and then when he dies Janet taking over the company and teaming up with Hank to avenge his death. Janet can me an exec in her fathers company already before her fathers death.

Lauren Cohan could potentially work as Janet. She played a similar type of character (initially) on Chuck.

[KangConquers]

Lauren Cohan could potentially work as Janet. She played a similar type of character (initially) on Chuck.

I loved her in that role. And while I think she's absolutely gorgeous, a perfect age, a talented actress. Even when she was good, she wasn't bubbly and perky, which is important to Jan's character.

Not saying she couldn't be...the profession IS called acting after all.

[Artistsean]

According to Kevin Feige Marvel share the rights with Fox on Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

We don't know the plot for Ant-Man but I think the 616 origin would works fine with Hank work for Janets father and then when he dies Janet taking over the company and teaming up with Hank to avenge his death. Janet can me an exec in her fathers company already before her fathers death.
Sure, just replace the other dimensional space monster with the terrorist science group AIM. Sure. (I still want Bill Foster and Scott Lang to be working in the lab too.)

[chamber-music]

I would like to see Bill Foster as well. It should be pretty easy with him being connected to Hank Pym and Tony Stark.

[KangConquers]

I would liketo see Bill Foster as well. It shoul be pretty easy with him being connected to Hank Pym and Tony Stark.

Agreed. Even if they never give him powers, it would be a nice nod.

[marcvader]

Agreed. Even if they never give him powers, it would be a nice nod.

What, black people can't have super powers now?

[chamber-music]

With Heimdall, Nick Fury, War Machine and possibly Falcon in Cap America 2 the black dude quoter must be maintained :funny:

[pr0xyt0xin]

With Heimdall, Nick Fury, War Machine and possibly Falcon in Cap America 2 the black dude quoter must be maintained :funny:

You forgot Sif. Isn't Heimdall her brother?

[jaqua99]

Sorry, but you're going to have to come to grips with the idea that she will eventually be part of the team. She's essential to Avengers lore.

I know :/

this is no reason to not have her in the film. :doh:

i dont like wonder woman, doesnt mean i dont want her in the justice league movie.

I know, but that is how I am. I dislike her THAT strongly, that it actually justifies my desire to not see her appear. Remember, we are different people

[TheAQU4M4N]

I've heard rumors that Anna Kendrick was a possible contender can anyone confirm this?

[chamber-music]

I've heard rumors that Anna Kendrick was a possible contender can anyone confirm this?
She is a contender for a role in Captain America.

There isn't any news about Ant-Man casting yet. If Edgar Wright is filming it next year then I doubt we will hear any casting news until 2013.

[Artistsean]

Agreed. Even if they never give him powers, it would be a nice nod.
Since its written into Ant Man, the actor could leave the character of Ant Man for Giant Man and then leave that identity for Yellow Jacket. So those two identities would be left wide open for possible spin offs. Bill Foster could become Giant Man (his own version not him in Pym's costume) and it could eventually lead to his nephew becoming Giant Man down the line what that actor leaves.
and Scott Lang could become the new Ant Man. Lang's story could even include his daughter (who becomes Stature) who could even be mentioned or shown in the Ant Man movie. His story could be a switch from Pym's Ant Man, from a damaged scientist to a more blue collar hero/father and family man. And perhaps down the line in Lang's Ant Man his daughter could even become Stature. And who knows, lead into the Young Avengers perhaps?
All I am saying is setting up these two early on not only adds friends and colleagues for Pym, and stories that happened before the movie started, but it also hints at the character's futures without hitting the audience over the head, and gives Marvel even more spin offs they can make money on.
All this could even start happening while Pym becomes an Avenger or as soon as he drops that identity. At the end of Ant Man 1, lets say, Pym changes to Giant Man and the next summer its revealed that Lang will become the new Ant Man in Ant Man 2.

[J'adore]

I am thinking she wont be a mutant, since Fox (I think it is) owns the X-Men rights and Wolverine so they basically own the rights to the idea of Mutants on the big screen. Which unfortunately also means no Scarlet Witch or Quicksilver I think.


Sorry to go slightly OT but I think FOX sold the characters of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver to MARVEL STUDIOS.

[pr0xyt0xin]

searched all over and didnt see a single suggestion for Mandy. Whys that?

http://www.bill-johnson.com/upload/20060127Mandy.Moore.HQ.04.jpg

[Artistsean]

Sorry to go slightly OT but I think FOX sold the characters of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver to MARVEL STUDIOS.
That would be great, they make better Avengers than X-Men I think.
But what I meant was that since Fox has been making all those X-Men movies and Wolverine movies and using all those characters (Quicksilver in Wolverine) I think they own the rights to the concept of Mutants. So I don't think they can use the concept of Mutants in the Avengers. Which, if that is the case, they couldn't make Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch Mutants. I don't know though, I could be wrong about that.

[<(o_o)>]

Janet is also a typical Whedon-type of character, so I'm sure he'd want to use her in a future movie.

Maybe Sarah Michelle Gellar could be Janet/Wasp but Joss Whedon would probably go with Allison Hannigan.

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

That would be great, they make better Avengers than X-Men I think.
But what I meant was that since Fox has been making all those X-Men movies and Wolverine movies and using all those characters (Quicksilver in Wolverine) I think they own the rights to the concept of Mutants. So I don't think they can use the concept of Mutants in the Avengers. Which, if that is the case, they couldn't make Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch Mutants. I don't know though, I could be wrong about that.

I remember Feige saying somewhere that both Fox and marvel studios could use QS and SW. The characters are mutual, but if marvel uses them they definitely can't use the term mutant when stating their origins.

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Sarah Michelle Gellar could be Janet/Wasp but Joss Whedon would probably go with Allison Hannigan.

Sarah Michelle Gellar as Wasp? No thanks.

I personally would rather see someone new as Wasp, not one of Whedon's already used actresses.

I remember Feige saying somewhere that both Fox and marvel studios could use QS and SW. The characters are mutual, but if marvel uses them they definitely can't use the term mutant when stating their origins.

I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem. Heroes managed to get through their whole series without ever using that term, but they were essentially mutants.

[Ash Talon]

I'm really wanting Ultimate Wasp (Asian) but with her 616 personality.

I agree. I'll even take a bit of her A:EMH personality just to spice things up a bit. I don't think there are enough Asian actors/actresses in Hollywood productions. And none really so far in major superhero roles. Casting Janet Van Dyne with an Asian actress would make the Avengers multi-racial which would be nice.

Wasp really needs to be in the Ant-Man movie. I can see them as having great banter. Something like Tracy/Hepburn. I don't think we've really seen a great, fun, adventure couple since Raiders of the Lost Ark. And then they had to go an recast Indy's love interest in the next 2 films. They would and should rename it Ant-Man and Wasp.

[OB12]

I agree. I'll even take a bit of her A:EMH personality just to spice things up a bit. I don't think there are enough Asian actors/actresses in Hollywood productions. And none really so far in major superhero roles. Casting Janet Van Dyne with an Asian actress would make the Avengers multi-racial which would be nice.



Definitely this. Brenda Song is my choice for Janet Van Dyne.

[Hawkingbird]

No EMH :o she was SO annoying!

[jaqua99]

oh my god, seriously

[chamber-music]

Comics were pretty sexist in the 60s and Jan was basically a bimbo Paris Hilton type character back then

http://s9.postimage.org/horqxry7z/tumblr_m1gy26_F4jk1qdv42bo1_500.png

Thank god they changed her character for the better

[MarvelKnight]

http://www.fandompost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/lauren-cohen.jpg
It is my hope that Lauren Cohan gets the part of Janet/Wasp

[PyroChamber]

Anyone have any ideas on what Wasp's costume should look like?

[cherokeesam]

Anyone have any ideas on what Wasp's costume should look like?


She's had a ton of costumes, but the one usually referenced is the best-looking one, imho:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/406px-Waspers.jpg

[MarvelKnight]

Yeah it should be that one, or at least have the biggest influence on what it should be.

Does anyone think we'll actually get Wasp in this film? I wouldn't put it past them to just have Janet sans powers for this Ant-Man film. Don't know if I'd be a fan of that, but that thought just entered my mind.

[cherokeesam]

Yeah it should be that one, or at least have the biggest influence on what it should be.

Does anyone think we'll actually get Wasp in this film? I wouldn't put it past them to just have Janet sans powers for this Ant-Man film. Don't know if I'd be a fan of that, but that thought just entered my mind.

At this point, Janet Van Dyne hasn't even been announced yet. But I'm hoping after several rewrites, Kevin Feige has persuaded Wright to align his movie more with the MCU, and bring her into the picture.

[MarvelKnight]

I know she hasn't, I still would expect her to be in the movie, tied to the MCU or not though.

[Dark Raven]

http://www.fandompost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/lauren-cohen.jpg
It is my hope that Lauren Cohan gets the part of Janet/Wasp

Cohan seems more like Wasp who led the Avengers than early Wasp. I'm sure she could play that, but I think naturally she seems more like leader Wasp. I don't think we'll ever get that version of Wasp though. I think Cohan might be better saved for a character who is more authoritative and commanding, and have an actress who does cute better for Jan.

[PyroChamber]

Wait, so is this movie not taking place in the MCU?

[Dark Raven]

Wait, so is this movie not taking place in the MCU?

Only according to a really old script by Edgar Wright, but that was before the MCU was even established as a joint universe. There could easily have been numerous rewrites since then. I don't want Wright to do his own thing.

[Hawkingbird]

I don't want Wright to do his own thing.
#:doh: God I hope not. There wouldn't be much sense in it. It will be difficult enough getting high numbers for this movie, seeming as the igronant will just see it as a movie about a man with ant powers :o. With Marvel this could be very sucsesful. You'd also get allot of outraged fans...I'm already raw with the prospect of having a Scott Lang based character rather than a Hank.

[Majik1387]

So now that Kendrick was not on the short list for the still all but confirmed Sharon Carter in CA2, that means she's free for Wasp hopefully. :awesome:

[chamber-music]

Wait, so is this movie not taking place in the MCU?
Its taking place in the MCU.

All Marvel Studios movies take place in the MCU.

I imagine it wouldn't be hard to add in a few things to tie Ant-Man more into the MCU if they wanted anyway.

[Dark Raven]

#:doh: God I hope not. There wouldn't be much sense in it. It will be difficult enough getting high numbers for this movie, seeming as the igronant will just see it as a movie about a man with ant powers :o. With Marvel this could be very sucsesful. You'd also get allot of outraged fans...I'm already raw with the prospect of having a Scott Lang based character rather than a Hank.

Marvel need to tell Wright to get his act together, because at the rate he's progressing we'll be talking about future generations of outraged fans, not anyone from the current generation.

[Hawkingbird]

Marvel need to tell Wright to get his act together, because at the rate he's progressing we'll be talking about future generations of outraged fans, not anyone from the current generation.

How so?

[xeno000]

How so?


Wright has already kept Ant-Man in development hell for about six years now. If Marvel allows him to keep stretching it out indefinitely, we may not see a movie until nearly 2020. He keeps taking on other projects and pushing work on AM further and further back. Feige and Co. have said some vague things about a 2014 premiere, but that is just pie in the sky at this point. Some of us would like to have an Ant-Man movie before Phase XXIII, if possible.


Honestly, the only thing that keeps me interested in this film is my faith in Marvel's abilities. The damned thing was announced at Comic Con in 2006, yet all that's been done is test footage that hasn't been released to the general public. Frankly, I would be shocked to see a finished film in the next five years, which is hugely disappointing.

[BatsDC]

I'm still placing my bets on 2014.

[Dark Raven]

I'm still placing my bets on 3014.

Fixed. ;)


I'm not sure Wright is even suitable for a franchise. If he even manages to get the first Ant-Man movie out in the next 20 years and it's a success, how long will we have to wait for a sequel? Yes, I'm sure Marvel will fast track it, but what that means for Wright is that it will then take 10 years instead of 20.

[cherokeesam]

Fixed. ;)


I'm not sure Wright is even suitable for a franchise. If he even manages to get the first Ant-Man movie out in the next 20 years and it's a success, how long will we have to wait for a sequel? Yes, I'm sure Marvel will fast track it, but what that means for Wright is that it will then take 10 years instead of 20.

I seriously doubt even Marvel is looking for this to turn into a franchise. Wright had originally intended for it to be a standalone movie (he conceived it back in 2006, long before the shared universe was dreamed up for MS), and Marvel probably only sees it as a lead-in to Avengers 2.

[ericadawn16]

What about Emma Hiddleston for Janet?

[xeno000]

Everyone probably read the news already, but I'll spoiler-tag it anyway.


The Wasp is back! She returns to the land of the living in Avengers #32. Jan's back, Hank is Ant-Man again, could that mean that they'll appear in the MCU? I have my fingers crossed.

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/xeno0000/GIFs/GIFs2/Wasp_Lives.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kjBcj.jpg

[Dark Raven]

Everyone probably read the news already, but I'll spoiler-tag it anyway.


The Wasp is back! She returns to the land of the living in Avengers #32. Jan's back, Hank is Ant-Man again, could that mean that they'll appear in the MCU? I have my fingers crossed.

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt114/xeno0000/GIFs/GIFs2/Wasp_Lives.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kjBcj.jpg


Well I hope so, but I don't think that

whether a character is dead or alive in the comics has that much effect on the MCU. The MCU is like a classic, greatest hits version of the comics so they can take whatever they like from any period in Avengers history.



BTW that doesn't look too much like Jan in that comic panel. Funny pic though of her kissing Iron Man's face plate and Tony, who is supposed to be the ladies man out of all of them, looking completely stoical and not even bending his head. :funny:

[cherokeesam]

I wish Ms. Marvel was in that shot. :( I would've made a Janet 'n' Carol girl-on-girl kiss my wallpaper.

[chamber-music]

I wonder if bringing back Janet and Scott Lang while killing off O'Grady has something to do with the Ant-Man movie?

[Dark Raven]

I wish Ms. Marvel was in that shot. :( I would've made a Janet 'n' Carol girl-on-girl kiss my wallpaper.

Should've had She-Hulk, Scarlet Witch, Mantis, Moondragon, Black Widow, Tigra and Mockingbird in that shot as well then.

I wonder if bringing back Janet and Scott Lang while killing off O'Grady has something to do with the Ant-Man movie?

I hope so. Didn't they do something similar before the Cap movie came out?

[M-2]

LoL the thing I love about that panel with Jane kissing the guys.. Is how each one reacts to her kiss

Ant-Man - Surprised
Thor - Passionate
Captain America - Happy
And Iron Man - nothing at all lol you'd expect Tony to lift up his face plate!

[Dark Raven]

Iron Man is almost reacting like Batman would.

[xeno000]

I wish Ms. Marvel was in that shot. :( I would've made a Janet 'n' Carol girl-on-girl kiss my wallpaper.


I'd love to see Captain America in a steamy makeout session with Iron Man, but that's never gonna happen, either. :cwink:

[cherokeesam]

I'd love to see Captain America in a steamy makeout session with Iron Man, but that's never gonna happen, either. :cwink:

Happens all the time on Tumblr.

[xeno000]

Happens all the time on Tumblr.


Yes, but so does Carol/other women, to be fair. On Tumblr all ships are under full sail.

[chamber-music]

Jan was married to Hank and dated Iron Man and Hawkeye. If anyone in the Avengers is a whore its Tony Stark.

[xeno000]

Jan was married to Hank and dated Iron Man and Hawkeye. If anyone in the Avengers is a whore its Tony Stark.


These characters have been around for almost 50 years so all of them have long and varied romantic histories. I wouldn't call any of them out for it. It's weird that female characters get saddled with epithets like "whore" and "****" when males often have far more partners, as you pointed out.

[cherokeesam]

These characters have been around for almost 50 years so all of them have long and varied romantic histories. I wouldn't call any of them out for it. It's weird that female characters get saddled with epithets like "whore" and "****" when males often have far more partners, as you pointed out.

It's the innate misogyny and chauvinism of comic-book nerds. At least the demographic has changed somewhat over the past few years, but you've got something like thirty years of male-driven fantasy; and the writers were just as guilty of that kind of misogyny as the fans were.

[Joeyjojo72]

That page from Avengers #32 strongly suggests that the guys all identified her from her butt btw. eh, makes sense.

i do think a little tongue is understandable given what she's been through.

[C. Lee]

Just a reminder to everyone....this isn't the boy's junior high locker room.....keep the misogynistic comments out of here.

[Edguy]

In the Ultimate Universe, Janet is of Asian descent, rather than Caucasian, and she is a genius in her own right, holding 2 PhDs. She is also a mutant, but it is unknown everyone except SHIELD and her boyfriend Hank Pym. Her mutant powers allows her to shrink and grow wings when she is shrunken. She can also produce energy blasts which act like wasp stings. Her powers have strange side effects however, which include causing her to eat insects, forming her own larval nests, and laying eggs. She started dating Hank during college, but even during college Hank was extremely abusive to her. She was a roommate of Betty Ross, and Betty remembers times where Janet was missing chunks of her hair

That's.. disturbing..

[Majik1387]

If we're going the Asian Janet route, I'd say get Nikki SooHoo, Ellen Wong, Brenda Song or Julia Ling if they're going younger; Grace Park or Lindsay Price if they're going older.

Yes, I know most of these are also my Colleen Wing choices, but I'm good with them as Janet or Colleen.

[conan69]

Those comic pages posted up there are terrible. Terrible.


Anyway, best choice I've hear so far is Lauren Cohan, but Morena Baccarin is prob in the running.

[J'adore]

Just a reminder to everyone....this isn't the boy's junior high locker room.....keep the misogynistic comments out of here.

^^^

Anyway, I think Anna Kendrick might be closest to possibly being Wasp. She was short-listed for Cap 2 but was put out of the running for whatever reason - but we know Marvel keeps tabs on people they like. So, who knows? But if they go down the Asian route I'd like to see a fresh face.

[JB-the-Hunter]

BTW that doesn't look too much like Jan in that comic panel.
It does look like Stephanie Szostak's character in Iron Man 3 though
http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/stephanie-szostak-iron-man-3.jpg

[cherokeesam]

It does look like Stephanie Szostak's character in Iron Man 3 though
http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/stephanie-szostak-iron-man-3.jpg

Yeah, if Janet Van Dyne was the type of girl who'd sexually assault Tony Stark. Sure glad she isn't.

[Hawkingbird]

Isn't that Maya?

[Majik1387]

It does look like Stephanie Szostak's character in Iron Man 3 though
http://comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/stephanie-szostak-iron-man-3.jpg
I'm not liking this rumor. :cmad:

[Mr. Dent]

Isn't that Maya?
No, this is Maya:

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3268/ironman3trailer10.jpg

[Marathon]

Hopefully just a baseless rumor. Janet and Hank need to be introduced at the same time, in their own movie. This would be a serious dropping of the ball. Not liking this one bit. :(

[cherokeesam]

^Exactly.
Stephanie Szostak as Wasp? Sure, I'm fine with that.
Wasp being introduced in IM3 before she's in Avengers or Ant-Man? Questionable.
Janet Van Dyne raping Tony Stark in her MCU debut? Awww, hell no.

[Hawkingbird]

That's what it looks like. I'm sure she's not actually raping him :o
They might have not shown Hank for it to be a surprise.

[PyroChamber]

Maybe it's me, but it seems like people are more anxious to see Janet moreso than Hank.

[Majik1387]

Eh, I'm sure some are, but I'm excited for both personally.

[J'adore]

Maybe it's me, but it seems like people are more anxious to see Janet moreso than Hank.

Janet is a far better character than Hank. I do not care for that woman abuser :o

[Dark Raven]

Janet is a far better character than Hank. I do not care for that woman abuser :o

Like how Spider-Man is a woman abuser?

[Majik1387]

Yeah, Spidey and other male comic heroes have proven to be bigger women abusers than Hank's one time slap.

[cherokeesam]

I think Daredevil, Tony Stark and Logan all qualify as worse towards women than Hank Pym ever was. One backhanded slap when Hank was going through a personality conflict doesn't begin to equal the body count of women's corpses that piled up around those guys......sucks to be girlfriends of any of those.

[Dark Raven]

And Spider-Man hit his wife too let's not forget, and also in Spider-Man 3.

Oh, and Wolverine hit Jean Grey a few times and kept telling her to react.

[metaphysician]

Maybe it's me, but it seems like people are more anxious to see Janet moreso than Hank.

I certainly am. Wasp actually grew as a character from her origins, whereas Hank started as a generic cipher and largely stayed that way when not having nervous breakdowns, beating his wife, or building evil death robots.

[J'adore]

There is a difference between domestic violence and comic book fighting. Just saying.

[Dark Raven]

There is a difference between domestic violence and comic book fighting. Just saying.

You did just say. Which is why you need to go back and look at Peter Parker's incidents of domestic violence.

[J'adore]

You did just say. Which is why you need to go back and look at Peter Parker's incidents of domestic violence.

Ok. But I don't see how that has anything to do with what I originally said. I commented on Hank being a woman abuser/wife beater and people started jumping on me about Spider-Man being one too...Did I ever even mention Spidey in the first place? The topic of conversation was about Hank, therefore I replied with my opinion on Hank.

[Dark Raven]

Ok. But I don't see how that has anything to do with what I originally said. I commented on Hank being a woman abuser/wife beater and people started jumping on me about Spider-Man being one too...Did I ever even mention Spidey in the first place? The topic of conversation was about Hank, therefore I replied with my opinion on Hank.

It's very relevant. The very point is you're calling Hank a woman abuser/wife beater when Spider-Man or others have done it themselves but you don't brand them as that, yet you single out Hank Pym with that label. You can't just look at Hank in a vacuum. Otherwise the argument could be made "who wants to see Spider-Man, that woman abuser, in a movie?"

And Hank himself in the "wife beater" story in question only lashed out in anger. It wasn't a deliberate or continued attack. It was more of a "get away from me" reaction when Jan was trying to help. Much in the same way that Peter Parker did it in Spider-Man 3.

The point in both Spider-Man 3 and in the Hank story was not to show that either of them have problems with woman abuse, but to bring them to a point where they hit rock bottom and strike out at the ones they love, bringing them to a startling realisation of what they've become and that they need help. You're missing the point of it if you think it's just to turn Hank into an abuser.

[chamber-music]

Reed Richards has slapped Sue as well.

Reed was also written pretty sexist back in the sixties.

Janet is every bit as flawed as Hank in the early comics. Janet pushed Hank into a relationship knowing he wasn't over the death of his first wife, she openly flirted with the rest of the Avengers to make Hank jealous trying to get him to pay attention to her and took advantage of his mental state to get him to marry her.

There was actual reasons why hanks mental state was deteriorating in the comics. The gas from his formula experiments caused severe case of schizophrenia, he was captured and brainwashed twice. All these things happened before the infamous breakdown yet have been ignored or retcon to Hank being just crazy or a jerk.
I certainly am. Wasp actually grew as a character from her origins, whereas Hank started as a generic cipher and largely stayed that way when not having nervous breakdowns, beating his wife, or building evil death robots.

Hank has grown as a character. His gone from a guy with a cocky exterior yet insecure inside to a confident capable leader and teacher.

I find it funny people blame Hank for Ultron. Hank is a superhero so there is always that guilt mentality but he built an robot that accidentally gained A.I. It was no way intentioanal abd he had no way of knowing.

Its like blaming scientist Ernest Rutherford for nuclear weapons because he split the atom.

[chamber-music]

The wife beater thing was accidental anyway.

Straight from Jim Shooter

Hank Pym was Not a Wife-Beater



Back in 1981 I was writing the Avengers. Hank Pym aka Yellowjacket was married to Janet Van Dyne aka The Wasp and things had not been going well for him for a long time.

Before I embarked on the storyline that led to the end of Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne’s marriage, I reread every single appearance of both characters. His history was largely a litany of failure, always changing guises and switching back and forth from research to hero-ing because he wasn’t succeeding at either. He was never the Avenger who saved the day at the end and usually the first knocked out or captured. His most notable “achievement” in the lab was creating Ultron. Meanwhile, his rich, beautiful wife succeeded in everything she tried. She was also always flitting around his shoulders, flirting, saying things to prop up his ego.

As I was developing the storyline, I discussed the potential pathology of their relationship with a psychologist who happened to be sitting next to me on a five-hour flight. The story made sense, he thought. I went ahead with it. During the time the story was running, I got a great deal of hate mail. It worried me enough to ask Stan what he thought. He said he got the same kind of mail in the ‘60’s regarding Peter Parker’s various romantic travails. He asked me how Avengers sales were doing. They were in fact, increasing by 10,000 copies per issue. Stan said that people obviously cared passionately about what was happening to Hank and Janet, as if they were real people. That’s the key. And he said, “Don’t worry about the mail.”

In that story (issue 213, I think), there is a scene in which Hank is supposed to have accidentally struck Jan while throwing his hands up in despair and frustration—making a sort of “get away from me” gesture while not looking at her. Bob Hall, who had been taught by John Buscema to always go for the most extreme action, turned that into a right cross! There was no time to have it redrawn, which, to this day has caused the tragic story of Hank Pym to be known as the “wife-beater” story.

When that issue came out, Bill Sienkiewicz came to me upset that I hadn’t asked him to draw it! He saw the intent right through Hall’s mistake, and was moved enough by the story to wish he’d had the chance to do it properly.

By the way, I was too busy to finish the story, so Roger Stern took over two-thirds of the way through. I thought he did a great job. He’s an excellent writer who doesn’t get enough credit.

[Dark Raven]

Great post Chambermusic! :up:

And let's not forget James Bond who has slapped many women around. Even the most "gentlemanly" of Bonds, Roger Moore, slapped Maud Adams around in TMWTGG. Not once but several times to get information out of her and not simply to bring her to her senses. And yet, audiences still flock to see this character who has a history of being a "woman abuser".

[chamber-music]

I don't condone Hanks actions but there is a double standard from some people. If a women has a mental breakdown or even got into an arguement and slapped her husband or boyfriend they wouldn't say anything about it.


The whole issue was resolved years ago anyway. Hank and Janet have dated other people, got back together and broken up atleast three time since then.

Everytime a writer tries to move on with characters another writer drags it back up again and tries to make it a plotline despite it not having been one for a while.

Its down to the characters being B-listers. When Ironman was a B-list character you couldn't go a couple issues without someone bringing up his an alcoholic. Demon in a Bottle defined his character for a small time like the fall of Hank Pym defines him. I'm glad Dan Slott and others in recent years have actually tried to advance the character of Hank.

[OrangeCloud]

What's with people thinking that Stephanie is sexually assaulting RDJ? If it were a dude in Stephanie's place, people would be asking, who is the dude about to beat the ever living crap out of Stark? I think the same applies.

[J'adore]

I don't condone Hanks actions but there is a double standard from some people. If a women has a mental breakdown or even got into an arguement and slapped her husband or boyfriend they wouldn't say anything about it.


The whole issue was resolved years ago anyway. Hank and Janet have dated other people, got back together and broken up atleast three time since then.

Everytime a writer tries to move on with characters another writer drags it back up again and tries to make it a plotline despite it not having been one for a while.

Its down to the characters being B-listers. When Ironman was a B-list character you couldn't go a couple issues without someone bringing up his an alcoholic. Demon in a Bottle defined his character for a small time like the fall of Hank Pym defines him. I'm glad Dan Slott and others in recent years have actually tried to advance the character of Hank.


What...just...what....As a feminist, I'm offended. As a woman, I'm annoyed.

[cherokeesam]

What's with people thinking that Stephanie is sexually assaulting RDJ? If it were a dude in Stephanie's place, people would be asking, who is the dude about to beat the ever living crap out of Stark? I think the same applies.

It's not a fight, because Tony isn't trying to fight back there. And look at the gif closely --- Szostak leans in close, drops her gaze to RDJ's lips and moves her mouth real close to his. Next frame, they're kissing, guar-own-teed.

If it were a dude in Stephanie's place, people would be asking, "Who's the gay guy?"

[Pink Ranger]

All this talk of slapping Janet Van Dyne makes it impossible for me not to post this:

i0GW0Vnr9Yc

[CaptainStacy]

I don't condone Hanks actions but there is a double standard from some people. If a women has a mental breakdown or even got into an arguement and slapped her husband or boyfriend they wouldn't say anything about it.


The whole issue was resolved years ago anyway. Hank and Janet have dated other people, got back together and broken up atleast three time since then.

Everytime a writer tries to move on with characters another writer drags it back up again and tries to make it a plotline despite it not having been one for a while.

Its down to the characters being B-listers. When Ironman was a B-list character you couldn't go a couple issues without someone bringing up his an alcoholic. Demon in a Bottle defined his character for a small time like the fall of Hank Pym defines him. I'm glad Dan Slott and others in recent years have actually tried to advance the character of Hank.

Same here.

[pr0xyt0xin]

I don't condone Hanks actions but there is a double standard from some people. If a women has a mental breakdown or even got into an arguement and slapped her husband or boyfriend they wouldn't say anything about it.


I'd leave a woman for hitting me. I wouldn't leave a woman for being mentally broken.

[Hawkingbird]

Although I agree that many men suffer in silence over domestic violence, I too as a feminist, find the generalisation of chamber-music's post offensive.

[chamber-music]

Well I don't mean to offend to anyone but domestic violence against men is viewed as less serious in society than domestic violence against women. I don't think thats generalising.

I feel this is an issue for another anyway.

[Hawkingbird]

No, I do agree. More men need to speak up about it.

[Edguy]

A man getting bit** slapped once =/= domestic violence..

[Hawkingbird]

What costume would everyone want Janet having? I love her most recent one:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQ3TsmUhzGQcAQiAHq4gdTc4PYqKuIT aTY8qZkoJkF_PZ4nK602aJk44u92g

[R_Hythlodeus]

What costume would everyone want Janet having? I love her most recent one:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQ3TsmUhzGQcAQiAHq4gdTc4PYqKuIT aTY8qZkoJkF_PZ4nK602aJk44u92g

sooo many to choose from:http://francemarvel.free.fr/images/encyclopedie/w/wasp/Wasp81.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TZDJojlu3sY/T7cFiGFr9CI/AAAAAAAAQIo/ON7CPmjBYGU/s1600/wasp-costumes-456-SecretInvasionRequiem2.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9EO326663Hc/TqibvmhpyiI/AAAAAAAAA9U/vuFWjwrM8uc/s1600/uniformes-avispa3.jpg

[Majik1387]

Oh my wow! I don't know where you got all those but thank you! :yay:

[Artistsean]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29279/2677733-captain_america_2_black_widow_hawkeye.jpg

I think this version of the costume could be transfered into the movie easiest. Like Captain America's movie costumes, or Thor's or SHIELD's uniforms, Hawkeye's and Black Widow's, this version is made from leathery fabrics, and has layers or material and different sections and parts like their movie costumes. I could see something like this being the jumping off point in the movies at least.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29754/1900126-wasp_cosplay_anthony_murray.jpg

Of coarse the costume would have to also match whatever Ant Man's costume would be. But I see it following the same patterns as the Avengers movie characters too. Durable looking materials, different parts and sections, straps and zippers, belts, armored sections, metal, stuff like that.

[R_Hythlodeus]

Oh my wow! I don't know where you got all those but thank you! :yay:
google :cwink:

[Dark Raven]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29279/2677733-captain_america_2_black_widow_hawkeye.jpg

I think this version of the costume could be transfered into the movie easiest. Like Captain America's movie costumes, or Thor's or SHIELD's uniforms, Hawkeye's and Black Widow's, this version is made from leathery fabrics, and has layers or material and different sections and parts like their movie costumes. I could see something like this being the jumping off point in the movies at least.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29754/1900126-wasp_cosplay_anthony_murray.jpg

Of coarse the costume would have to also match whatever Ant Man's costume would be. But I see it following the same patterns as the Avengers movie characters too. Durable looking materials, different parts and sections, straps and zippers, belts, armored sections, metal, stuff like that.

Why does it need to match? This isn't X-men and besides, Jan is a fashion designer and always changes her costume so it can look however she fancies.

[cherokeesam]

Dark Raven's right. In the final analysis, if MCU Jan is the same kind of fashion designer that MU Jan is, she might as well have more costume changes than Cher, even within a single Ant-Man and/or Avenger movie. That would be true to her character.

[Majik1387]

I'm fine with multiple costumes for super heroes in movies; especially if it's a tribute to their comic costumes and not just different to sell toys and merchandise, though I'm not nervous about that with Marvel Studios at all.

[Artistsean]

I'm not saying it has to look like a uniform for all the Avengers, I just mean it has to look like its from the same universe. You can't have the Avengers look how they look and then have her wearing tight spandex or rubber armor or something. I mean it has to look similar in that they were from the same universe. It also has to look good standing next to the rest. Again if they look how they look and she looks silly or less detailed or more detailed by comparison. So the version I found is by a cosplayer named Riddle and she takes the costumes to movie quality. I could see them going down a similar path for the movie. With seems, and variations in fabric, and materials. I could see that costume standing next to the Avengers in the movies and fitting in, whereas as cool as some of the comic versions of the costumes look, some of them I can't see transferring well into live action.

[Hawkingbird]

http://www.elegantmess.net/snap/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/ultff32sm.jpg
I liked her Ultimate uniform when it was a cross between the 616.

[TheAQU4M4N]

Krysten Ritter?

[chamber-music]

Do you guys think they should bring up that part of Hank Pyms attraction to Janet is that she reminds him of his dead wife Maria?

On the one hand its kind of creepy but on the other hand its part of the source of their relationship problems.

http://s8.postimage.org/apnnzt5zp/tumblr_mb13jzg_UJL1rvm5qqo1_r1_500.jpg

[Hawkingbird]

It would certainly be interesting.

[metaphysician]

I don't see why not. Or rather, I see it as a fraught minefield of potential problems, but not really any moreso than anything else having to do with Pym's story and characterization.

[chamber-music]

Vartha posted a link to some custom Ant-Man & Wasp action figures in the fan art thread. The Wasp action figure has modified Tron wings which got thinking it might be cool if Wasp had high tech wings like the ones in Tron.

Visually it would look cool and might seperate the design from Angel Salvadore in X-Men First Class. It would be different from what they might go with for Falcon as well.

[pr0xyt0xin]

I always liked the idea of Wasp with inorganic wings too. Perhaps with tech similar to Falcons, but with the rapid flapping of an insect, thus only working when she is in her shrunken state.

her stingers could also be tech, perhaps borrowed from Stark's and similar to his repulsors.

In other words, she is an amalgamation of the tech of all her Avenger friends. Pure heroine, pure awesome.

[chamber-music]

I would like Wasps stinger blasts to look visually different to Ironman's repulsors or Black Widow's Stingers.

Alot of artists draw Wasp's whole hands glowing when she uses her stinger blast which I think would visually differentiate from the other current MCU heroes. I think instead of using tech who for Janet's bio-electric energy Pym should uses some chemical formula that produces her powers.

[R_Hythlodeus]

I would like Wasps stinger blasts to look visually different to Ironman's repulsors or Black Widow's Stingers.

a little more powerful than the BW stingers, but as soon as the hands would begin to glow it is too close to the repulsor blast.
BW stingers and Wasp's stingers are probably technological related anyhow. The way I see it, Wasp's stingers might turn out to be Widow's stingers 2.0

[pr0xyt0xin]

I've got it! Now that BW is an Avenger, and Stark is the Avengers' CEO (:oldrazz:) maybe he upgrades Black Widow's stingers (for her mission in CA:TWS) and once Ant-Man and Wasp are invited to Avengers tower, Wasp gets all excited (like she tends to do) and borrows all their tech.

[chamber-music]

Giant Man and Wasp: Stomp like a giant and sting like a bee

[Ant-manic]

http://i.imgur.com/pQonRWL.gif

Emma Watson seems like she might have enough personality to portray Jan. kind of young though.

[Hawkingbird]

http://i.imgur.com/pQonRWL.gif

Emma Watson seems like she might have enough personality to portray Jan. kind of young though.
I would say she's too young. Maybe if she were 5 years older.

[Majik1387]

Well she did just pull out of Cinderella.

Maybe they'll go Manga Verse for Pym and Jan. :awesome:



















jk jk
But seriously, I can see her being approached a bit, but also don't see her being Marvel/Disney's first choice.
Anyone else remember the Demi Lovato in Avengers rumors?

[Steve Holt]

With Edgar Wright directing, it'll be Anna Kendrick lol


which is FINNNNNNNNNE by me

[Marathon]

If nothing else sticks, Mila Kunis is a solid choice, methinks.

[xeno000]

With Edgar Wright directing, it'll be Anna Kendrick lol


which is FINNNNNNNNNE by me

I read somewhere that Kendrick and Wright broke up. She might still be a good choice, but if that's true it's not likely she'll be cast.


If nothing else sticks, Mila Kunis is a solid choice, methinks.

Kunis would be a far better fit for Jan than for Gamora, as some on the GotG threads are recommending.

[Hawkingbird]

She'd make a good Spider-Woman too.

[chamber-music]

If Edgar and Marvel are going for an up and coming actress for Janet like they did with hiddleston then I could see them going for someone like Tuppence Middleton.

http://s24.postimg.org/5nj1x3g4l/Jupiter_Ascending_35723.jpg

[Dark Raven]

If Edgar and Marvel are going for an up and coming actress for Janet like they did with hiddleston then I could see them going for someone like Tuppence Middleton.

http://s24.postimg.org/5nj1x3g4l/Jupiter_Ascending_35723.jpg

That's one of the most pretentiously posh names i've heard.

[Spider-Cross]

ALL RIGHT EVERYONE LISTEN UP! IF YOU ALL WANT Morena Bacciran to play the Wasp in the upcoming Marvel Movies, hurry over to the major voting sites like Reelz TV About Movies at this link below

http://www.reelz.com/top-10/9361/top-10-actresses-who-could-play-wasp-in-marvels-ant-man-movie/

and vote Morena Baccarin as the Wasp that we want to see in the future upcoming Marvel movies and I suggest you do it now while there is still time!

http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y540/mark_marino1/MorenaBaccarinVarietyWomenFilmPreEmmykggqLcRl180l_ zpsbea86d98.jpg

Afterall Morena is counting on all of you to help her win!

[mkilban2]

why do I feel like this person posting for a random vote thread that means nothing is Morena Bacciran herself haha

[ThePhantasm]

Because whoever it is very desperately wants us to vote for her...

[mkilban2]

Because whoever it is very desperately wants us to vote for her...

I voted her all the way to the bottom and Olivia Munn all the way to the top because I love me some Olivia Munn

[Marathon]

Whoever gets picked to play the Wondrous Wasp, I hope they get it spot on.

Who of the available thespians will be able to become an excitable ball of energy, a fashionista and a fighter, a funny gal, but also potentially even a (temporary) leader in personality?

Thus I don't envy the one who has to make the final decision.

In the meantime, here's a hella stylish pic of Janet (by Frank Cho)...

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/100776/2173299-ds_large.png

[Steve Holt]

i wish Moreena got Maria Hill instead, Cobie's ok but i think Baccarin would've done better

(coming from a HIMYM fan)

[cherokeesam]

I voted her all the way to the bottom and Olivia Munn all the way to the top because I love me some Olivia Munn

I voted Zooey Deschanel all the way to the top.

Incidentally, "consensus" at reelz.com currently lists the top 5 faves as Rachel McAdams, Olivia Wilde, Summer Glau, Morena Baccarin and Mila Kunis.

[Hawkingbird]

I don't know most of the actresses, but I would have voted Zooey.

[Mr. Dent]

Is Zooey Deschanel Katy Perry's twin sister or something? lol they look exactly alike.

[mkilban2]

^ I do love me some Zooey Deschanel, she's no.2 on my celebrity loves list behind T-Swift and just slightly above Hayden Panettiere, and Olivia Munn.

[Dark Raven]

i wish Moreena got Maria Hill instead, Cobie's ok but i think Baccarin would've done better

(coming from a HIMYM fan)

Yeah I definitely tink Morena would've been better. Cobie still seems like Robin Sparkles. She just seems a bit lightweight as an actress. I think Morena would've brought more character and a more distinctive look.

[Moridin]

Whoever gets picked to play the Wondrous Wasp, I hope they get it spot on.

Who of the available thespians will be able to become an excitable ball of energy, a fashionista and a fighter, a funny gal, but also potentially even a (temporary) leader in personality?

Thus I don't envy the one who has to make the final decision.

In the meantime, here's a hella stylish pic of Janet (by Frank Cho)...

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/100776/2173299-ds_large.png

I still like Autumn Resser for the part.

Or Missy Peregrym.

Or Ellen Wong (Knives Chau from Scott Pilgrim).

[Dark Raven]

Autumn Reeser is my top choice for Janet. She looks the part and has the personality already.

[Hawkingbird]

What would people think of her being a fashion designer? I personally wouldn't like it. It draws away from her as a superhero in my opinion.

[chamber-music]

I would prefer that Janet's day job was running her fathers company after he died. She could have an intrest in fashion and be a fashionista without being a designer although it would be cool to see her designing her costume like Tony does in Iron Man.

[cherokeesam]

What would people think of her being a fashion designer? I personally wouldn't like it. It draws away from her as a superhero in my opinion.

Why? Peter Parker is a newspaper photographer, and it doesn't detract from his heroism. I like the notion that you don't always have to be a soldier or a super-genius scientist to become a hero.

[Dark Raven]

Jan can own a fashion empire. She can have an input in some of the designs but it's not like she's some poor factory worker. In fact, even in the comics she's a very wealthy heiress and it's because she chooses to design clothing that she does it, not that she needs to. I don't see it takes away from her heroism. It makes her more of a normal person than having to be purely an agent or scientist, which gets boring.

[Mr. Dent]

Yeah they can set the character ups as a fashion designer without taking anything away from her.

[Marathon]

Hmm, Colleen O'Shaughnessey, the voice actress for Janet on A:EMH, would actually also kind of look the part. (A perhaps more mature version :cwink:, but nevertheless.)

Anyway, I hope they search extensively for the right choice. "Safe choices" should only be a last resort, lol. :oldrazz:

Don't want another miscasting after Cobie's Robin-Maria Hill-Scherbatsky...

[Dark Raven]

Hmm, Colleen O'Shaughnessey, the voice actress for Janet on A:EMH, would actually also kind of look the part. (A perhaps more mature version :cwink:, but nevertheless.)

Anyway, I hope they search extensively for the right choice. "Safe choices" should only be a last resort, lol. :oldrazz:

Don't want another miscasting after Cobie's Robin-Maria Hill-Scherbatsky...

Colleen O'Shaughnessey is a bit on the fat side for Jan.

And Cobie didn't turn out to be a safe choice but an unsafe choice. Sometimes trying to cast too outside the box is the wrong decision. Morena Baccarin might've been the fan choice and the "safe" one too, but she would've definitely been better than Cobie.

[Marathon]

I didn't elaborate that properly... what I meant was safe as in you know you'll get it somewhat right, but perhaps not exactly. Kunis for example would be this kind of choice.

Ditto for Baccarin as Maria Hill (who of course still would've been a lot better than Smulders).

However, that doesn't mean I'm encouraging improper or unwise unsafe choices. Ledger was an "unsafe", but stellar choice. What if there was a "safe choice" there instead? It wouldn't have worked out as well, I think.

Perhaps a better wording is getting the "exact" fitting choice for the role, whether it's safe or unsafe. RDJ IS Tony Stark, for example. And he was (I guess) an "unsafe" choice. Smulders IS 100% NOT (lol) Maria Hill. She was (I guess) an "unsafe" choice.

Still, my argument kind of stays the same: try and find the exact fitting thespian. If not available/findable, fall back on a "safe choice". :word:

[xeno000]

What would people think of her being a fashion designer? I personally wouldn't like it. It draws away from her as a superhero in my opinion.

To me being a fashion designer would make Jan even more heroic. Imagine someone like Stella McCartney or Vera Wang going from designing haute couture during her working hours to fighting Thanos, Ultron, et al. with the Avengers on the side. Given that most people would picture a designer being an delicate person who would be more likely to run screaming than suit up and kick ass like a hero, I think the juxtaposition would work brilliantly.

[Ant-manic]

Why? Peter Parker is a newspaper photographer, and it doesn't detract from his heroism. I like the notion that you don't always have to be a soldier or a super-genius scientist to become a hero.

Peter is a super genius.

[cherokeesam]

Peter is a super genius.

But not a *scientist.* He's just an ordinary blue-collar schmoe; that's what makes his rise to superheroism so appealing. Unlike the guys who've been handed riches and greatness all their life, like Tony Stark or Thor.

[Ant-manic]

But not a *scientist.* He's just an ordinary blue-collar schmoe; that's what makes his rise to superheroism so appealing. Unlike the guys who've been handed riches and greatness all their life, like Tony Stark or Thor.

but keep in mind that Spider-man, within the cinematic universe, isn't on the same level as the Avengers. the Avengers are recruited by a militaristic organization. that's why Barton's an assassin instead of a carnival act. i promise you that Sam Wilson will have some kind of SHIELD or military background. they aren't really accepting civilians unless they can Hulk out or "privatize world peace."

what i'm saying is that there's nothing wrong with Jan being a designer. but i think her also being a recruit of SHIELD is mutually exclusive. works fine if they are unaffiliated.

[Hawkingbird]

I always thought Cobie was a good Hill :huh:. She didn't have an enormous amount of screen time (quite rightly, as she isn't an Avenger), so her character wasn't developed much.
I would be happy with an "unknown" actress as Jan. To be honest, I just want way more female superheroes in the Marvel lineup. So far they've done so much right, but the under-representation of women in the MMU (Marvel Studios) is disgraceful.

[J'adore]

If only Olivia Munn could act....I mean she's not awful, but I can't see pleasing the masses of Jan fans out there. Nevertheless, if she were to take more acting classes or something I'd love for her to be cast.

Also, is it just me who kind of likes the idea of a younger Jan...She can fill out the MPDG role on The Avengers and be Hank's 'quirky' partner.

[J'adore]

I would be happy with an "unknown" actress as Jan. To be honest, I just want way more female superheroes in the Marvel lineup. So far they've done so much right, but the under-representation of women in the MMU (Marvel Studios) is disgraceful.

:hrt::hrt::hrt::hrt::hrt:

Which is why I honestly don't mind these rumours about the Stephanie (forgot her last name) actress being Janet in IM3

[InternetPeople]

Szostak. And she's not Jan.

[chamber-music]

I would be happy with an "unknown" actress as Jan. To be honest, I just want way more female superheroes in the Marvel lineup. So far they've done so much right, but the under-representation of women in the MMU (Marvel Studios) is disgraceful.
I think you have to be patient as more female heroes are coming.
Marvel Studios has only been active for 6 years and opperate a two movie a year policy (except Ant-Man because its been sitting in development for years).

Marvel wanted to get the origin movies for some of the key avengers out the way first. Lady Sif's role will be bigger in Thor 2 and Pepper will be wearing a iron man suit in iron man 3. Gamora will be in GoTG, Black Widow back in Cap 2 and Wasp will hopefully show up in Avengers 2/Ant-Man or both.

Ms Marvel will probably get her own movie or show up in another characters or show up in phase 3 as well I would bet. Scarlet Witch may show up by the time they get to Avengers 3.

I don't think that women will be under-representated.

[Hawkingbird]

I think you have to be patient as more female heroes are coming.
Marvel Studios has only been active for 6 years and opperate a two movie a year policy (except Ant-Man because its been sitting in development for years).

Marvel wanted to get the origin movies for some of the key avengers out the way first. Lady Sif's role will be bigger in Thor 2 and Pepper will be wearing a iron man suit in iron man 3. Gamora will be in GoTG, Black Widow back in Cap 2 and Wasp will hopefully show up in Avengers 2/Ant-Man or both.

Ms Marvel will probably get her own movie or show up in another characters or show up in phase 3 as well I would bet. Scarlet Witch may show up by the time they get to Avengers 3.

I don't think that women will be under-representated.
It annoys me that so many people are against Rescue :cmad:. And it's easy for you to say it's okay, it's not your sex being underrepresented :o.

[InternetPeople]

Rescue sucks because it is a crappy character, not because it's a female character.

[jaqua99]

Say what you want about casting, but I think the role is tailor-made for Zooey:

http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii593/cherokeesam777/zooey_120611_m-400x300.jpg

There's really nobody else out there who totally embodies Janet's manic pixie dream girl image. If Marvel casts her, it will be a stroke of pure genius.

:hrt::hrt:

bringing it bcak up, but I think this is perfect

[Ant-manic]

New Girl would be a decent show if she were not in it. can't stand that "actress"/"singer."

[cherokeesam]

Rescue sucks because it is a crappy character, not because it's a female character.

Exactly. Comic-book Rescue gets a ton of fan-hate because it was a ****ty character arc. Pepper gets the arc reactor, basically copies Iron Man origin story, goes on to become an actual honest-to-god superheroine and part of the Avenger Initiative. Completely unoriginal, unimaginative, and an insult to both Pepper Potts and to Tony Stark. It's the sort of thing classic DC would do --- make a "____ Woman/Girl" and "____ Boy/Kid" version of any character that gets any sort of popularity at all. "Yay, It's IRON WOMAN! And soon they'll be proud parents of KID IRON BOY, JR.!"

I've got no problem with the way she's presented in IM3, though. It's just Tony's armor, and he briefly claps her into it via Extremis telekinetics to keep her safe during the Malibu mansion attack (and maybe the AIM HQ battle). None of that arc reactor and "superheroine" bull****.

Give us the REAL Marvel superheroines, not the secretaries who sleep their way into the limelight.

[Hawkingbird]

Rescue sucks because it is a crappy character, not because it's a female character.
In your opinion, I think she's awesome.