What villain should be pulling Winter Soldier's strings?

[BullMcGiveny]

I vote they keep it as Aleksander Lukin.

I really hope they keep the Winter Soldier's Soviet ties, too.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/JackSkinnerMorningstar/0Lukin.jpg

That being, I could live with Zemo.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/JackSkinnerMorningstar/0Helmut.jpg

[OccamsTaser]

Every time I see a photo of Benedict Cumberbatch, I spend the first couple of seconds amazed that there are people who actually find him attractive. I do like him as an actor though, so I'd be fine with that casting.

[Spider-Fan]

My vote goes for the Red Skull.

[R_Hythlodeus]

*drools* mmmmh...Cumberbatch...

Erm... sorry, I meant AIM

[Blackman]

Zemo/AIM

[DrCosmic]

Zemo/AIM, with direct ties to HYDRA.

[ThePhantasm]

My vote goes for the Red Skull.

I agree. CA's encounters with Red Skull in the first film seemed all too brief. I'd like to see that emnity expanded upon.

[jonathancrane]

Zemo.
'No Escape", anyone? It would be perfect.

[metaphysician]

I'm partial to Zola-led AIM, myself. However, it would take work to make Zola a credible alpha villain.

[The Overlord]

My vote goes for the Red Skull.

The fact that Red Skull wasn't very effective or truly menacing in the last film, means he needs a major revamp before he can be the main villain again. I would say go with someone else, so they can least build up Red Skull and make him more like the comic version when he next appears. More hate filled psychopath, less generic James Bond villain.

[cherokeesam]

How could Skully be pulling the strings, anyway?
MCU timeline so far:

Bucky: survives the train raid in WWII, unbeknownst to Cap or any of the allies. Most likely picked up by HYDRA, since they were deep in HYDRA territory.

Red Skull: goes almost immediately (within 24 hours of the train raid) to the bomber, where he is whisked away to Godknowswhere by the Tesseract.

Arnim Zola: captured by the Allies, and forced to betray HYDRA. With Skully and Zola gone, HYDRA apparently collapses, and/or goes underground, taking a captive Bucky with them.

So, most likely, Bucky is abducted and brainwashed by FORMER elements of a HYDRA that has collapsed and/or been forced to go underground, with Red Skull and Zola missing.

That makes the puppetmaster for Bucky most likely to be a former HYDRA loyalist, like Zemo or Von Strucker or Madam Hydra (Viper). Whether or not that villain keeps HYDRA alive, or goes renegade to form his own outfit, remains to be seen. (I could easily see Zemo or Viper abandoning the Nazis at the close of the war and turning their "idealism" to Stalinist Russia instead during the Cold War, thus bringing the classic Soviet background to WS into play.)

As for AIM: no. IM3 has proven that AIM is *not* what you guys think it is. Forget little mad scientists in beekeeper helmets: AIM is going to be an above-board tech company that's a front for a more sinister organization.

[chronos]

I'm all for Zemo pulling the strings. But will they go with they father/son (maybe even grandson by now) version to bridge it from WWII to present or will they go the A:EMH route and combine Helmut and Heinrich into a single character?

Also, where has it been proven that AIM is strictly an above the board front company? Did I miss something? As far as I've seen, there's only been been the one set piece of a sign. This doesn't mean that they aren't also a terrorist group of rogue mad scientists. I just hope they adapt the beekeeper suits into something a little more less dorky.

[cherokeesam]

I'm all for Zemo pulling the strings. But will they go with they father/son (maybe even grandson by now) version to bridge it from WWII to present or will they go the A:EMH route and combine Helmut and Heinrich into a single character?

Also, where has it been proven that AIM is strictly an above the board front company? Did I miss something? As far as I've seen, there's only been been the one set piece of a sign. This doesn't mean that they aren't also a terrorist group of rogue mad scientists. I just hope they adapt the beekeeper suits into something a little more less dorky.

Just seems highly unlikely that a terrorist organization would have branch offices at the corner of 4th and Main, with their name brazenly advertised out front.

As for the Zemos: I could easily see WS being passed down from father to son, since Bucky's story spans the entirety of WWII, the Cold War and post-Cold War era. In fact, I could see it turn into a case where elder Heinrich used WS more wisely over the years, and now young hothead Helmut is "mis-using" WS more often and more brazenly and for stupid missions, and that's what attracts the unwanted attention of Cap.

[Chewy]

I feel like Zemo should be saved for the third flick. But maybe use the elder Zemo in the flashbacks

[The Guard]

Zola, Zemo and The Red Skull.

[Doomed_hero]

going with Zemo. Having Bucky AND SKULL with a movie hthat will most likely be cap dealing with being in modern times kinda lessons that story if so many people from his past keep coming back.

[BullMcGiveny]

Nobody else interested in Lukin, then?

[marcvader]

Zemo and Zola

[Chewy]

How about Taskmaster?

[TheHeatKitchen]

Zemo. He and Bucky are the villains in this one. Red Skull comes back int he 3rd, more powerful after his trip to .... wherever he ended up at the end of TFA, kills Zemo in his brief appearance at the beginning of the 3rd and proceeds to find and attempt to kill Captain America.

[cherokeesam]

Nobody else interested in Lukin, then?

Yes, I'm definitely interested in Lukin. And I firmly believe he'll be in this movie. But I think he'll "acquire" WS second-hand, off somebody in HYDRA. Or HYDRA's remnants. Maybe it's a benign "purchase" that benefits both the Soviets *and* HYDRA, or maybe the Soviets steal/abduct him from HYDRA.

[TheVileOne]

Hopefully not just Zola. Zola is such a goofy villain if it's him most of the time audiences will reject it like Hector Hammond in Green Lantern.

[Suzanne78]

Fine. No MODOK. Whatever.

I'd love for Lukin to make an appearance, but I think one of the other Marvel bigs should be pulling his strings. There might be some way they can make Zola horrific and powerful - some sort of cyborg-like machine/human hybrid -and that would be a nice bridge from the last movie. But, in my dreams, they would totally use Zemo. I cheer anytime he makes an appearance in the comics.

[Spider-Vader]

Zemo should definitely be the main villain in the movie. & then have Red Skull's return hinted at near the end of the movie.

[chiefchirpa]

Red Skull. Hugo Weaving as Red Skull.

[pr0xyt0xin]

If they do Zemo, how would they do his costume/powers?

[SuperFerret]

Hopefully not just Zola. Zola is such a goofy villain if it's him most of the time audiences will reject it like Hector Hammond in Green Lantern.

Did audiences reject Hector Hammond in Green Lantern, or was it just a general disappointment in the entire movie?

[Rock Sexton]

I agree. CA's encounters with Red Skull in the first film seemed all too brief. I'd like to see that emnity expanded upon.

Ya, they spent all of what .... 3-4 scenes together? Every time I watch CA:TFA I'm just like damnit I need more Cap/Skull!

[MarvelKnight]

I think it will be Zemo.

[Dark Raven]

I'd like it to be Zemo.

Now as for Viper, what'sthe deal with her? I hear reports of her being used in The Wolverine, played by Svetlana Khodchenkova (whoever she is):

http://twitchfilm.com/news/2012/07/breaking-20th-century-fox-in-talks-with-svetlana-khodchenkova-for-viper-in-the-wolverine.php

However, Wolverine is owned by Fox. Who owns Viper? If she's with Marvel, how can she be in The Wolverine? Why would she even be owned by Fox? Although she's associated with Silver Samurai, she's not primarily tied in with X-Men.

[CLFilms]

The Red Skull has already been removed from the equation, but Hydra is STILL in existence. These are the only three likely candidates:
1) Baron Von Strucker
2) Zemo
3) Alexander Lukin

And I actually ran into Mitch Breitweiser (one of the principle artists from The Winter Soldier Storyline) at Dallas Comic Con in May, and he mentioned that Ed Brubaker was working on a screenplay. He wouldn't say what, but it could be that he is one of the writers for CA:WS. And if that's the case, they'll go with what HE has written previously -- aka Alexander Lukin. And he has incorporated the tesseract and Bucky a la Winter Soldier in the same storyline.

[Dark Raven]

The Red Skull has already been removed from the equation, but Hydra is STILL in existence. These are the only three likely candidates:
1) Baron Von Strucker
2) Zemo
3) Alexander Lukin

And I actually ran into Mitch Breitweiser (one of the principle artists from The Winter Soldier Storyline) at Dallas Comic Con in May, and he mentioned that Ed Brubaker was working on a screenplay. He wouldn't say what, but it could be that he is one of the writers for CA:WS. And if that's the case, they'll go with what HE has written previously -- aka Alexander Lukin. And he has incorporated the tesseract and Bucky a la Winter Soldier in the same storyline.

Don't you mean "ie" Alexander Lukin? Aka is "also known as". Unless Brubaker has written a work called "Alexander Lukin".

[CLFilms]

Don't you mean "ie" Alexander Lukin? Aka is "also known as". Unless Brubaker has written a work called "Alexander Lukin".

I meant "i.e." of course. Thanks for the look out.

All I was trying to point out was that Brubaker has already used Lukin, so he knows him pretty well.

[kaijunexus]

The Red Skull has already been removed from the equation

Says who?

[CLFilms]

Says who?

I'm just speaking in terms of practicality. I think the Red Skull is pretty BA, but it would just be too complacent/lazy of a move to bring him back. Cap has tons of foes - the writers are going to end up with a better film if they try not to use him. If he appears in the end though, I think that would be an amazing set up for an Avengers sequel.

[Chris B]

Zemo. I'll be kind of disappointed if they use anyone else as I think he is the natural choice.

[Capt.America518]

As much as MODOK may be neglected upon and despised upon coming to a movie screen, he may be the most logical choice to be pulling the strings of Winter Solider seeing as there are huge rumors of AIM being in the Ironman 3 movie.... I would prefer to see Zemo pulling the strings personally, but MODOK to me seems more likely.... Also Lukin is boring, I dont want to see him at all.... And as for Red skull, I think it would be cooler to see him appear as an end credit scene re-introducing him for Cap 3!

[peterparker0077]

As much as MODOK may be neglected upon and despised upon coming to a movie screen, he may be the most logical choice to be pulling the strings of Winter Solider seeing as there are huge rumors of AIM being in the Ironman 3 movie.... I would prefer to see Zemo pulling the strings personally, but MODOK to me seems more likely.... Also Lukin is boring, I dont want to see him at all.... And as for Red skull, I think it would be cooler to see him appear as an end credit scene re-introducing him for Cap 3!

There could still be a separate Hydra and AIM thing going on though, so that both Zemo and or Strucker could be present, and AIM could also exists under whoever they choose.

[Capt.America518]

There could still be a separate Hydra and AIM thing going on though, so that both Zemo and or Strucker could be present, and AIM could also exists under whoever they choose.

Im a big fan of both Hydra and AIM.. (more so HYDRA), but anywho, seeing either one of them in the movie would be great and appropriate seeing as Winter Soldier is... well a spy who was brainwashed to attack America

[Changeling]

Zemo would be my choice. Id love to see Red Skull again though, he was one of the highlights of The First Avenger even though him and Caps relationship didnt seem fully fleshed out

[Capt.America518]

Zemo would be my choice. Id love to see Red Skull again though, he was one of the highlights of The First Avenger even though him and Caps relationship didnt seem fully fleshed out

I literally could not have said this any better myself... literally took every word I was thinking out of my mouth.... I prefer to zemo too... I loved captain america 1, and LOVED red skull but I do feel him and caps relationship didnt develop as much as it should have.... I hope they bring red skull back for cap 3!!! perhaps an after credit scene with skull returning???

[Dark Raven]

I think Zemo should be yanking Bucky's chain.

[jonathancrane]

Zemo would be the perfect character bridge between WW2 and the present in the MCU.

[jaqua99]

I would like Zemo. Though with AIM being in Ironman 3. I got a feeling we may get MODOK in cap 2

[Hawkingbird]

I got the impression from the Cap commentary that it would be Zola behind WS.

[Red Mask]

I vote they keep it as Aleksander Lukin.

I really hope they keep the Winter Soldier's Soviet ties, too.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/JackSkinnerMorningstar/0Lukin.jpg

That being, I could live with Zemo.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/JackSkinnerMorningstar/0Helmut.jpg

I think Lukin would be good for the start. But maybe he can lost control over him. The situation becomes one where the Russian government decides to kill him to cover it all up. SHIELD is ordered to kill him for all the crimes he's done in the past. Captain America and Falcon are the only ones who are trying to bring him in alive.

[Lorus]

I don't know a huge amount about Cap's rogue gallery so I may be off base here but, wouldn't Lukin be the most logical option? Everything about the Winter Soldier is steeped in cold war paranoia and myth making, so wouldn't it make the most sense to play up the Russian angle? Zola or Zemo are both affiliated with Germany or the Nazis, I think, so it would be something of a missed opportunity and squandering of potential to have them pulling the strings when they're not entrenched in that kind of history.

[BullMcGiveny]

I don't know a huge amount about Cap's rogue gallery so I may be off base here but, wouldn't Lukin be the most logical option? Everything about the Winter Soldier is steeped in cold war paranoia and myth making, so wouldn't it make the most sense to play up the Russian angle? Zola or Zemo are both affiliated with Germany or the Nazis, I think, so it would be something of a missed opportunity and squandering of potential to have them pulling the strings when they're not entrenched in that kind of history.
Eh, some think it'll be HYDRA that's controlling WS.

I'm with you, though. It really should be ex-Soviets, or at the very least, the villain should get WS from ex-Soviets.

[KangConquers]

I don't know a huge amount about Cap's rogue gallery so I may be off base here but, wouldn't Lukin be the most logical option? Everything about the Winter Soldier is steeped in cold war paranoia and myth making, so wouldn't it make the most sense to play up the Russian angle? Zola or Zemo are both affiliated with Germany or the Nazis, I think, so it would be something of a missed opportunity and squandering of potential to have them pulling the strings when they're not entrenched in that kind of history.

I wouldn't mind Lukin. I thought even without the Skull association, Lukin was a very worthy villain. A top 10 Captain America villain easily in his own right.

[metaphysician]

I still say there's no reason it can't be Lukin *and* Hydra remnants: some portions of Hydra defected to the Soviets after the Red Skull was killed. The Soviets took advantage of these assets. Fast forward a decade or so, and the difference between "Soviet black ops program that has a bunch of ex-Hydra personnel and resources" and "Hydra Reborn, Soviet Union Edition" becomes narrow to the point of irrelevance.

[cherokeesam]

I still say there's no reason it can't be Lukin *and* Hydra remnants: some portions of Hydra defected to the Soviets after the Red Skull was killed. The Soviets took advantage of these assets. Fast forward a decade or so, and the difference between "Soviet black ops program that has a bunch of ex-Hydra personnel and resources" and "Hydra Reborn, Soviet Union Edition" becomes narrow to the point of irrelevance.

That's exactly what I think.
Zola defects to the Soviet Union, hooks up with Lukin, and the rest is history.

[Webfoot Hero]

I still say there's no reason it can't be Lukin *and* Hydra remnants: some portions of Hydra defected to the Soviets after the Red Skull was killed. The Soviets took advantage of these assets. Fast forward a decade or so, and the difference between "Soviet black ops program that has a bunch of ex-Hydra personnel and resources" and "Hydra Reborn, Soviet Union Edition" becomes narrow to the point of irrelevance.
That works since at the of WWII, both the US and the USSR were rounding up German scientists to keep them from falling into each other's hands.

[BullMcGiveny]

That works since at the of WWII, both the US and the USSR were rounding up German scientists to keep them from falling into each other's hands.
Problem is, at the time Zola was in SSR custody. It makes more sense if the Americans had him, especially since he was the only one who had worked with the Tesseract before.

Of course, it could be that the US swapped Zola for someone else.

Or here's a thought. The US swaps Zola for Bucky Barnes, only Bucky is already brainwashed and so he assassinates Chester Philips and runs away back to the USSR.

[cherokeesam]

Problem is, at the time Zola was in SSR custody. It makes more sense if the Americans had him, especially since he was the only one who had worked with the Tesseract before.

Of course, it could be that the US swapped Zola for someone else.

Or here's a thought. The US swaps Zola for Bucky Barnes, only Bucky is already brainwashed and so he assassinates Chester Philips and runs away back to the USSR.


Like I said earlier: just have Zola defect from the US and join the Soviets.

Although I like your spy swap idea, too....except instead of Bucky, how 'bout they swap Zola for Natasha Romanoff? :word:

[Oberon sexton]

If we see Zemo, I'd prefer he be the likable version.

That scene from "Born Better" where he rejects the nazi ideals was brilliantly written.

[Webfoot Hero]

Problem is, at the time Zola was in SSR custody. It makes more sense if the Americans had him, especially since he was the only one who had worked with the Tesseract before.

Of course, it could be that the US swapped Zola for someone else.

Or here's a thought. The US swaps Zola for Bucky Barnes, only Bucky is already brainwashed and so he assassinates Chester Philips and runs away back to the USSR.
But I thought that Col. Phillips and SSR were going to give him amnesty in like Switzerland if he gave any information on Red Skull's plans. If they did do this, then it's entirely feasible that Zola could have found his way into working for the Soviets.

[cherokeesam]

But I thought that Col. Phillips and SSR were going to give him amnesty in like Switzerland if he gave any information on Red Skull's plans. If they did do this, then it's entirely feasible that Zola could have found his way into working for the Soviets.

It's also entirely feasible that he defected to the USSR, as I said, or was part of a spy swap with the USSR, like Bull said.

Any way you slice it, it wouldn't be hard to make Zola work for the Soviets at all. :yay:

[Adamantium]

Never mind. I realized what I was gonna say was in fact what I thought I disagreed with. :)

[The Caped Knight]

Zemo seems like the obvious choice since the Red Skull was transported to one of the other nine realms by the cosmic cube.

[TacomaTruck90]

They did set up the Red Skull to reappear in another Marvel Cinematic story, it doesn't strike me he would reappear in the Winter Solider which is ok with me but it would be great to see him in another Captain America sequel or Avengers film..right now with Winter Solider being so early in production idk who to even guess to be pulling buckys strings...I want it to be Zemo but it mores logical to be Zola since he was orginal one to start experimenting with him..right now a lot of phase II is so cloudy and confusing I look forward to the winter of next year since majority or Phase II will have hit screens or will be filmed 4/6 ( they are how many movies to phase II so far six right? Well that we know of lol)

[multipleman]

I figure the story arc should be about the red skull. But essentially the second movie doesnt have to have him in it.

The villians should be done in the same vain as the first hellboy movie. You have Red Skull supporters who go about trying to ressurect him or doing his work in his abence. In the hellboy movie it starts off with the rasputine supporters ressurecting rasputine with Captain America movie it should be about the supporters who are trying to locate the red skull. Id make it a female villian with Winter Soilder and some weird scientist. im not to familiar with the back story for captain america so not sure who to suggest.

[Whiskey Tango]

I'd like to retain the Cold War emphasis in this so I hope Lukin and the Soviets are featured. As far as the big bad I could go with whoever. I do feel like they should give the Red Skull a pass this round, maybe bring him bag if there's a third Cap film.

[SnuffTheRooster]

Who should be pulling Winter Soldier's strings...?

Puppet Master.

[NHawk19]

What about the Corporation with ties to Hydra?

WWII ends the allies divide up the assets. Russia moves in and discovers Hydra research on the Winter Soldier project started by Zemo. In the years that follow Bucky acts as an agent for Russia under Zemo, until something happens, and he goes into hiding, coma, stasis, or some other comic appropriate time delay. After the cold war and Russia's fall, Hyrdra reforms as the Corporation run by Lukin, the same as the SSR becomes SHEILD. The Corporation could even have holdings which include AIM as a public front (hence IM3). Following the events of the Avengers Lukin finds out Cap is back and revives the Winter Soldier project. They could also introduce Veda as a contrast to Carter.

The questions are though: What's the villians motivation now that the cube is safely in Odin's Vault? Why get Cap involved? What's the next big thing in the Marvel Universe that could bring back the Skull or motivate something?

[BoredGuy]

I'd like to see Zemo and Zola runing things,
but I've also been thinking....

If they can pull it off and make her intimidating, I could totally see Sin as running Hydra with Crossbones as her right hand man, and Zola as the brains. Here's why I wouldn't necessarily mind that idea:

-First female Big Bad in a Marvel movie, we needs variety
-Keeps Red Skull's legacy front and center
-Twisted love/relationship with Crossbones
-she could eventually get her face removed like in the comics, after all, Red Skull's look was one of the best things in the last movie, and Cap doesn't really have the coolest looking bad guys

I'm still hopeful for Zemo, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel wanted to go with a little more estrogen-filled evil this time around

[cherokeesam]

I'd like to see Zemo and Zola runing things,
but I've also been thinking....

If they can pull it off and make her intimidating, I could totally see Sin as running Hydra with Crossbones as her right hand man, and Zola as the brains. Here's why I wouldn't necessarily mind that idea:

-First female Big Bad in a Marvel movie, we needs variety
-Keeps Red Skull's legacy front and center
-Twisted love/relationship with Crossbones
-she could eventually get her face removed like in the comics, after all, Red Skull's look was one of the best things in the last movie, and Cap doesn't really have the coolest looking bad guys

I'm still hopeful for Zemo, but I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel wanted to go with a little more estrogen-filled evil this time around

I'm not gonna 100% rule out the possibility that Vancamp may be playing a femme fatale instead of Sharon, in which case Sin, Diamondback or Viper/Madame Hydra could be logical choices for a "love interest" who is also Cap's antagonist. In fact, as I posted earlier, it makes a little bit of sense, in that they might have been gunning for Vancamp to play a vengeful woman scorned, like her TV character.

Smart money's still on Sharon, but I'd consider a femme fatale as a dark horse for EVC.

[Dark Raven]

I really hope Van Camp isn't playing any of these other characters though. They manage to get someone who looks very similar to Sharon and then use her for a different character? That would be just like Emma Stone as Gwen instead of MJ.

[BoredGuy]

I'm not saying Vancamp to play Sin
I think she'll be Sharon
But it could work to have Sin be the antagonist
Make her like Silva in the latest Bond or Jeremy-Irons-Gruber in Die Hard with a Vengeance
creepy intimidating bad guy with a grudge

[BullMcGiveny]

Here is an idea.

The Soviets find him and make him into the Winter Soldier, using him from the fifties to the eighties. Late in the Cold War, with the USSR beginning to come apart, an East German spy called Heinrich Zemo gains control of the Winter Soldier, and after the fall of the Berlin wall, goes to business for himself, using the Winter Soldier as his personal assassin to gain wealth and power. Later on, his son, Helmut, takes over.

[Spider-Fan]

I think either Strucker or Zemo being the master mind behind Winter Soldier probably works best. Plus, next to Red Skull, they're 2 of Cap's best villains.

[FVD]

In Brubaker's comic series, wasn't Aleksander Lukin somewhat Red Skull in disguise or something from a later reveal if I remember correctly? Perhaps that could be a tease leading into CA3.

[CosmicCap]

Red Skull was in Lukin's body with Lukin

[BullMcGiveny]

Lukin was Lukin, and then he sent Winter Soldier kill the Red Skull in the first issues, only because Skull was holding the cube, his soul was sucked into it, and when later Lukin began using the cube, the Red Skull's soul moved into his body.

COMICS!

[Wade Garrett]

Haha, I love the Winter Soldier run, but that Red Skull plot device in the comics, and later when they try to explain Steve coming back from the dead Or rather trapped in time, by a time portal ray gun or whatever is one of the reasons I'm glad they kind of depowered the cube in the MCU. I love my comics, but some times its better to stay in the comics.

[Chris B]

The lack of any casting news that could potentially pertain to Zemo makes me wonder if Zola will be the one doing it.

[Hawkingbird]

The lack of any casting news that could potentially pertain to Zemo makes me wonder if Zola will be the one doing it.
I think that's quite likely. It was to see from CATFA he was the one that began it.

[BoredGuy]

Yeah but they could just have somebody big lined up for it, and they don't want to reveal it yet.
Even if it's a Thanos style reveal, I don't think the ultimate Big Bad will be Zola
That'd be a bit anti-climactic
Toby Jones was a good Zola, but that version is not a great villain
Loki, Mandarin, and even Red Skull are much more sinister, intimidating villains

[metaphysician]

Eh, there are some actors let to be linked with characters. Coster-Waldau notably. My own suspicion is that he's playing Zemo, they are just keeping it under wraps.

[lozzy.94]

Is any one else wondering how Zemo will look on screen? If Marvel Studios cast a big name actor for the role, i doubt he will be wearing a mask.

[CosmicCap]

I've often thought they would combine Zemo and Lukin and just have him be a normal looking dude, that said I'd love to see Zola's robot body so I wouldn't mind if he was the villain.

[lozzy.94]

I've often thought they would combine Zemo and Lukin and just have him be a normal looking dude, that said I'd love to see Zola's robot body so I wouldn't mind if he was the villain.

maby something like this but without the mask.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/430469-zemo_large.jpg

[3X0dus]

He MUST have the mask, even if only in one scene or two. Perhaps on a statue nearby. Got to have the mask.

[CosmicCap]

I think the suit above is perfect mask included

[3X0dus]

Looks too Army of Two-like. I would prefer something that nods to the original outfit, although that may be a stretch.

[CosmicCap]

trust me I'd love to see classic Zemo but I doubt we'd get that

[cherokeesam]

The purple mask is iconic to Zemo. *If* Zemo is in this, he *will* be wearing a purple mask, rest assured. Marvel understands iconography. Might not look exactly like the comics, but it will be a purple mask of some sort.

[jaqua99]

Eh, there are some actors let to be linked with characters. Coster-Waldau notably. My own suspicion is that he's playing Zemo, they are just keeping it under wraps.

Exactly what I was thinking

Is any one else wondering how Zemo will look on screen? If Marvel Studios cast a big name actor for the role, i doubt he will be wearing a mask.

I think the suit above is perfect mask included

yeah. no way the bail on the mask. that's such an iconic part of his physical character. if they leave that out, he's not zemo. period.

The purple mask is iconic to Zemo. *If* Zemo is in this, he *will* be wearing a purple mask, rest assured. Marvel understands iconography. Might not look exactly like the comics, but it will be a purple mask of some sort.

yup. though they are missing thor's helmet :P

[godisawesome]

Zemo could wear the mask to cover some scars and then have a fur-lined jacket with a purple tactical shirt underneath.

[metaphysician]

I think they can do the mask, they just won't do an all purple costume, and the mask won't be bright magenta.

[Hawkingbird]

I think if the mask was just a duller, more faded colour that would be fine.

[BoredGuy]

maby something like this but DEFINITELY WITH the mask.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/430469-zemo_large.jpg
(fixed it for ya)

I like that.
Maybe not the brown leather jacket, we don't need the Bane comparisons
But I Like it.


Eh, there are some actors let to be linked with characters. Coster-Waldau notably. My own suspicion is that he's playing Zemo, they are just keeping it under wraps.

Who the hell is 'Coster-Waldau'??
If they're gunna keep some casting under wraps, I think it would be for an actor that somebody has actually heard of

[ctsketch]

(fixed it for ya)

I like that.
Maybe not the brown leather jacket, we don't need the Bane comparisons
But I Like it.




Who the hell is 'Coster-Waldau'??
If they're gunna keep some casting under wraps, I think it would be for an actor that somebody has actually heard of

Keeping roles under-wraps is more important than keeping actors under wraps. they could have a no one actor play a big character and keep the role under wraps as to not give away things early

[McSir]

Who the hell is 'Coster-Waldau'??
If they're gunna keep some casting under wraps, I think it would be for an actor that somebody has actually heard of

Nicolaj Coster-Waldau, he plays a major character on 'Game of Thrones'. His name was mentioned a few months ago for an unspecified role.

[BoredGuy]

still don't know him, sorry

[McSir]

still don't know him, sorry

A lot of people probably don't, he's not a big name by any means. He's a decent actor though.

[OrangeCloud]

still don't know him, sorry

Then you definitely need to get on watching Game of Thrones.

[chamber-music]

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is a Danish actor whose breakthrough role was starring successful Dainsh film Nightwatch in the mid 90s (Which was later remade in English starring Ewan Mcgregor).


Coster-Waldau was in Black Hawk Down, Bent with Clive Owen, Enigma with Kate Winslet, Wimbledon and Firewall with Paul Bettany.


He is also in Tom Cruise Sci-Fi film Oblivion and starred in shot-lived Fox 2008 detective show New Amsterdam as an inmmortal homicide detective.

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He would make a great Zemo

http://s8.postimage.org/xf31i6s2t/nikolaj_coster_waldu_baron_zemo_captain_america.jp g

[BoredGuy]

Then you definitely need to get on watching Game of Thrones.


I've tried but, eh dunno, just can't get into it
i think the lord of the rings movies may have forever burnt me out on the fantasy genre
that and how big GoT got so quickly, I'm not good with trendy things

[peterparker0077]

is anyone sure Nikolaj even signed on for a role? IMDB isn't listing anything for him or CAP:TWS about any role, though they are not the most accurate I'm sure.

[BullMcGiveny]

My impression is that Waldau could have very well been in the running for Crossbones.

More and more it's looking like Zola will be Winter Soldier's boss.

[Webfoot Hero]

My impression is that Waldau could have very well been in the running for Crossbones.

More and more it's looking like Zola will be Winter Soldier's boss.
Him and Josh Holloway were up for roles and then we didn't hear anything about them after Grillo got hired. Makes it kind of look like they were all up for the same role, especially considering that Holloway is doing a new TV pilot for CBS.

[chamber-music]

No confirmation on Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.

I expect another villain besides Crossbones and Zola. Those characters are mainly henchmen. I expect a mastermind villain like Baron Zemo.

[Ant-manic]

no Doc Faustus? John Goodman was born to wear that monocle.

[JB-the-Hunter]

Here was the report that mentioned Coster-Waldau:
http://latino-review.com/2012/10/12/exclusive-focus-guardians-cast-cap-2/

"What we do know is there are two male roles up for grabs. One is an American character and the other is a foreign character, both roles – we cannot stress enough – are physical."

Frank Grillo as Crossbones is, I'm assuming, the American role, and he definitely fits the description of physical. So it seems there's at least one more role yet to be cast.

[cherokeesam]

Here was the report that mentioned Coster-Waldau:
http://latino-review.com/2012/10/12/exclusive-focus-guardians-cast-cap-2/

"What we do know is there are two male roles up for grabs. One is an American character and the other is a foreign character, both roles – we cannot stress enough – are physical."

Frank Grillo as Crossbones is, I'm assuming, the American role, and he definitely fits the description of physical. So it seems there's at least one more role yet to be cast.

That was always my understanding, too. They *might* have been simply talking about Toby Jones as Zola, but that seems unlikely, since Zola's role wouldn't likely be "up for grabs" --- it rightly belongs to Jones.

So if there's a foreign (I read other reports that specifically said "European") character still "up for grabs," then that's probably your actual string-puller right there. Zemo, Lukin, Faustus, Strucker....all likely targets for someone like Coster-Waldau. I'm still betting NCW *has* been cast for one of those, and it's still under wraps for the next few weeks or so.

How late into shooting did we find out, finally, that Mandarin was actually in IM3?

[BullMcGiveny]

How late into shooting did we find out, finally, that Mandarin was actually in IM3?
Pretty late, but we learned about Ben Kingsley's involvement much earlier.

[Hawkingbird]

Here was the report that mentioned Coster-Waldau:
http://latino-review.com/2012/10/12/exclusive-focus-guardians-cast-cap-2/

"What we do know is there are two male roles up for grabs. One is an American character and the other is a foreign character, both roles – we cannot stress enough – are physical."

Frank Grillo as Crossbones is, I'm assuming, the American role, and he definitely fits the description of physical. So it seems there's at least one more role yet to be cast.
If we trust that source...

[InternetPeople]

I don't exactly trust the source, however, Zola is not a leader and Crossbones has always been a henchman. I think the story needs another big bad to matchup against all the heroes in the film. With that in mind, and the rumors that are floating around, I think it is very safe to assume there will be another casting announcement for an evil-doer on the level of Zemo or someone of similar competence.

[Kal-E]

I hope this film can be as good as the last one. Captain America was such a fun film. I kinda want the villain to be a surprise and then show him in the trailer.

[JB-the-Hunter]

If we trust that source...

I don't know, it's Da7e, not Mayimbe.

[CaptainCanada]

With the press release and the start of filming, and no other villains announced, it looks like they'll be using one of the already-announced people, unless there's some hidden cameo.

[Mr. Dent]

Winter Soldier works for the Russian government, so there's no need to introduce a primary string puller for most of the film. Maybe at the end we'll get a reveal of who was influencing the Russian government or something. Either Von Strucker or Zemo.

[Yellow Cyclone]

that article is kind of dated, but if it's correct i'm going to bet that the physical "foreign" part ended up being GSP

[jaqua99]

It's definitally gunna be Zemo. It HAS to be.

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I think Zemo.

[TheVileOne]

I don't know, it's Da7e, not Mayimbe.
I trust no one!

[JB-the-Hunter]

that article is kind of dated, but if it's correct i'm going to bet that the physical "foreign" part ended up being GSP
I posted that article a month ago.

But you may be right, Batroc fits the description. I just don't understand how GSP could beat out those other two guys though. And why would they be up for a role like Batroc anyway? It'd be a waste of talent.

[CaptainCanada]

They may have decided they didn't want it, or didn't want it at whatever the price on offer was.

[lozzy.94]

I posted that article a month ago.

But you may be right, Batroc fits the description. I just don't understand how GSP could beat out those other two guys though. And why would they be up for a role like Batroc anyway? It'd be a waste of talent.

Maybe Batrocs role was originally bigger but Marvel decided to cut a lot of his scenes, so instead of going with Sawyer or Jamie Lannister we got the Kick boxer.

[KDM1986]

Christoph Waltz as Baron Zemo!