Wolverine.....what a joke!

[ComicMaster]

Can someone tell me why this losers so popular? He's a short little runt, he throws temper tantrums, his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men, he can barely form a complete sentence, bub, and maybe worst of all, he is a filthy little mutant, like a great number of posters who have bad mouthed me here.

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

Well lets see here ...

1. He makes every fight somewhat hilarious
2. He could chop you up into teeny tiny bits
3. He's a badass mother****er who doesn't take **** from anyone
4. He can get his face blown off by a shotgun and keep going
5. He's short ( Thats what makes it so funny ... Watching some big ass guy getting the **** kicked out of them by someone whos like 5' 8")
6. He's Right Behind You! Ahh! Watch Out For That Claw ... Ouch ... Thats Gotta Hurt ...

:)

[AtmaSniper]

I'm tired of your posts. :o

[Adam West]

Originally posted by ComicMaster
Can someone tell me why this losers so popular? He's a short little runt, he throws temper tantrums, his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men, he can barely form a complete sentence, bub, and maybe worst of all, he is a filthy little mutant, like a great number of posters who have bad mouthed me here.

WOW! Aside from the X-men part, you just described yourself!:D

[The Hobgoblin]

Tired of his posts and they've only made 10 themselves. He's even getting on the nerves of people who haven't been here long.

p.s. welcome to SHH

p.p.s IAJK - I love your avatar. Its well good. Where'd you get it from?

[Kurosawa]

I will say that Wolverine is my most hated character in all of fiction, and because the entire Marvel Universe has basically been sacrificed at his disgusting, worthless alter, I no longer read any of their titles.

[STINK-E]

Originally posted by Kurosawa
I will say that Wolverine is my most hated character in all of fiction, and because the entire Marvel Universe has basically been sacrificed at his disgusting, worthless alter, I no longer read any of their titles.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Yesiamamarvelzombieso?]

Marvel is the best they have ever been. STFU.

:D

[Kurosawa]

Basically I feel that almost every major Marvel character that has encountered Wolverine has been made to look inferior to him. I think the character has been built up, not on his own merits (of which I feel he has none), but at the expense of other characters. Marvel has either killed every character they had that I liked or changed them so much that I can hardly recognize them. So, as they have cancelled series over they years and started them over, I have just cut the titles.

And Marvel is hardly the best they have ever been. That was in the 60's.

[Rasputin]

Should I save you the trouble?

[the defenders]

LOL god, now Brodie is bumping my cousins threads. Jeez he's popular

[Jaguar God]

Originally posted by Rasputin
Should I save you the trouble? Stealing my thunder! That's the last straw!

[the defenders]

I'm gonna get banned

[Jaguar God]

others have done worse

[the defenders]

true
like comicsmaster:D

[Wo|verine]

Originally posted by ComicMaster
Can someone tell me why this losers so popular? He's a short little runt, he throws temper tantrums, his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men, he can barely form a complete sentence, bub, and maybe worst of all, he is a filthy little mutant, like a great number of posters who have bad mouthed me here.

are u talkin about me? :P

[Jugsy]

:)






die

[Lt. Figgnuts]

It's very true that, often, Wolverine is hyped up. Maybe a little too much. I don't think that there's an X-book he isn't in. But that's because he's the most popular X-character.
Ever.
Basically, as long as Wolverine is around (and that'll pretty much be for as long as Marvel exists) he's going to be a major player. You're not going to get rid of him, and get this--the majority of Marvel readers like him, so you're not going to get anywhere *****ing about it, either.

Deal with it.

[Captain America]

Not you again!!!!

[Godlovinspidey]

Originally posted by USM Whore
It's very true that, often, Wolverine is hyped up. Maybe a little too much. I don't think that there's an X-book he isn't in. But that's because he's the most popular X-character.
Ever.
Basically, as long as Wolverine is around (and that'll pretty much be for as long as Marvel exists) he's going to be a major player. You're not going to get rid of him, and get this--the majority of Marvel readers like him, so you're not going to get anywhere *****ing about it, either.

Deal with it. Actually, I'm getting sick of him. He's in, or has been in, literally every X-book, not to mention his own title with a billion one-shots or mini-serieses. There's only so much of one character I can take, and this guy is definately pushing his luck. He may be a good character, but there are plenty other good mutants out there, who've lost focus thanks to only him being in the limelight.

[Kmack]

Wolverine is cool. But he is hyped a little too much. I mean while Marvel are writing so many books about him. I think its time to give other X-characters a chance.

[Roughneck]

I hate him. But he is so easy for writers to write him.

[Batman23]

First off **** you man Wolverine is great the best superhero out there and no i dont hate wolverine i like him. If it wernt for wolverine the x-men wouldnt be where there at today and you want to talk about to much hyped Spiderman is the one that is to much hype everywhere i go its spiderman this spiderman that so dont go say that wolverine is hyped cause thats bull**** i wont take this post talking bad about wolverine the character i like the most.

[Godlovinspidey]

Spider-Man isn't in 11 books. :rolleyes:

[arachnid_style]

Originally posted by Batman23
First off **** you man Wolverine is great the best superhero out there and no i dont hate wolverine i like him. If it wernt for wolverine the x-men wouldnt be where there at today and you want to talk about to much hyped Spiderman is the one that is to much hype everywhere i go its spiderman this spiderman that so dont go say that wolverine is hyped cause thats bull**** i wont take this post talking bad about wolverine the character i like the most.

so the fact that wolverine is being featured in a gazillion titles and is being seriously milked shouldnt have any bearing coz u like him.....u know how i think wolverine is making so much money....its the kids they want anything with wolverine on it....he is marvel's cash cow and its gonna be this way for a long long time....personally i think wolverine has become very predictable and boring....i havent read anything on him since Origin...and prolly wont....

[Roughneck]

So what if Wolverine sell books. I have avoided titles cause he is in them. Marvel should o a poll. If they want to sell books for me I need an Archangel appearance. That is a guarenteed sale for me. For some it is Cyclops, or Dr. Strange, or even 3DMan. Just case more people will buy a book with Wolverine in it doesn't make sense for them. Oh Wait it does. Well I still dont like him. I used to but I m now sick of him. I used to like McDonalds Cheesburgers, But I ate about 5-10 a day for three months now I can't stand them. If I smell one I will get sick. As a Canadian it disgusts me that Wolvierine is so loved. It bothers me tht he is even from Western Canada. I would expect that from a Newfie but not here. I cannot wait for the day when his real origin is revealed and he spent WWII as a Nazi that everyone hated and then he fades into obscurity right behind Eye-Scream.

[Gambit8370]

Well, if not Wolverine, then who?

Who should be the money player in the MU that does guest spots in every other title and automatically guarantees an increase in sales in every issue he's on the cover of...?

Doop?

I don't think so.

Speedball?

Yeeeeeaaa...NO!

Dorkhawk?

Whoops, was that a typo? No, it was not.

Fact is, the only other true bad-ass in the MU is the Punisher. I guess he could go on a tour of all the other titles in the MU and just start waxing all the second rate crappy background characters, but hey, even better send him over to the "ultimate" universe, just kill EVERYONE in that whole bastard franchise then last panel have a close-up of Frank's ugly mug with him going, "Heh! Cancelled."

[ohwattagosiam]

I like Wolverine, but he's being totally over-exposed. It completely screws with continuity. His character is becoming predictable, and he's spending a lot of the time getting his ass whupped. Half the books he's in don't do anything with the character that hasn't been done sooooo many times before. It's boring and frustrating for long time consumers like me, but not for the kids. Marvel need to do things with other characters or bring in new ones to fill this so called "void" that is growing. :(

[Nightcrawler17]

I love, always loved, and will always love the ol' canucklehead. I am from Canada myself too, and I don't like Wolverine just becuase he's canadian, I like Wolverine because he's one of the coolest characters ever. I know he's in a lot of books, but if you think about it, not really. He's in his own series, Uncanny, New and sometimes X-Treme. It makes sense to have Logan in the books since he is one of the main X-Men.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

roughneck changes his opinion like his underwear anyway.
wolverine is definately in too many books, but he's still a great character when written properly.
he should be in new x-men, wolverine, and occasionally pop up in uncanny x-men.

[Godlovinspidey]

Originally posted by Nightcrawler17
I love, always loved, and will always love the ol' canucklehead. I am from Canada myself too, and I don't like Wolverine just becuase he's canadian, I like Wolverine because he's one of the coolest characters ever. I know he's in a lot of books, but if you think about it, not really. He's in his own series, Uncanny, New and sometimes X-Treme. It makes sense to have Logan in the books since he is one of the main X-Men. ...not to mention Ultimate X-Men, X-Statix [a few times], and any other current X-book.

[Frank_Murdoch]

I think Wolverine should be given a bit of space for a while, I mean what about Scott and the others.

[pat281]

Dude, honestly, what are you talking about? Wolverine is not my favoritre character, but he certainly is one of the most popular characters. SHould he be in every book? no. Does he get too much attention? yes. But is he still a very good character, and among Marvels most popular? yes.
I like the older wolverine though, when he was less of an antihero and more of just a really haggard mutant.

[Wo|verine]

put it this way, Wolverine is helping to pay the artists and writers that make your comic book ure reading. He's popular for a reason, what it is its up to the induvidual reader to decide. If you had the rights to Tiger Woods wouldnt u want to put him on everything and anything just to make a buck and make the bottom line all the time, everytime?

[Batman23]

Guys put it this way without Wolverine the sells would drop dramatically in Marvel i mean come on who cares about cyclops and the other x-men Wolverine is the main guy who says it all and you watch with this magneto thing that i guarantee Wolverine will put an end to magneto once and for all. Look at Spiderman hes in a lot of comics to just about the same as wolverine and no one talks about him you want to talk about predicatable hell you always know what Spiderman is going to do and Wolverine doesnt do the same thing each time he fights. Its not just kids that like wolverine every age does no matter what whats not great about going and killing people and having wolverine get cut up,shot at anything you can name of and just heal it all off and kill all of them thats what great. If there was no more wolverine i would not read the x-men cause it wouldnt be the same Im not tired of Wolverine one bit never have and never will.

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by Batman23
Guys put it this way without Wolverine the sells would drop dramatically in Marvel i mean come on who cares about cyclops and the other x-men Wolverine is the main guy who says it all

Only because he takes precedence over the other X-Men nearly all of the time. I wouldn't mind if he only starred in his own title, whilst sometimes guest-starring in the team titles. Make the writers have to come up with interesting character development/stories for the other X-Men, instead of writing the same old crap involving an easily written character.

Originally posted by Batman23
Look at Spiderman hes in a lot of comics to just about the same as wolverine

Errrrmmm..... no. He was a few years back, then everyone complained, sales dropped, and he was cut back.


Originally posted by Batman23
no one talks about him you want to talk about predicatable hell you always know what Spiderman is going to do and Wolverine doesnt do the same thing each time he fights.

Recently it's been, the X-Team (whichever) go to have a fight, Wolverine rushes off ahead and.... gets his ass kicked. The others join in.

Originally posted by Batman23
whats not great about going and killing people and having wolverine get cut up,shot at anything you can name of and just heal it all off and kill all of them thats what great. If there was no more wolverine i would not read the x-men cause it wouldnt be the same Im not tired of Wolverine one bit never have and never will.

OK, there's a lot more to Wolverine (or any good character for that matter) than just him fighting, killing, maiming, etc. If their wasn't then he would be as dead as a Dodo. Still, he is overexposed and in some of the more recent X-books (especially UCXM) I've bearly taken notice of him being in it. That is not a good thing. I am obviously becoming uninterested in the character.

[Doomed_hero]

Wolverine I feel is a very intresting and good character, that marvel is just over using to much. I agree he sould stay in New X-Men and his own title so he doesnt have the power to move out of contiuity.

[the defenders]

How about this...also...does GodLovinSpidey still come here? I havent seen him around.

[Phoney Bone]

Originally posted by the defenders
How about this...also...does GodLovinSpidey still come here? I havent seen him around. ****! I used to be friend with him, and I was actually thinking of him a few days ago, but I couldn't rmemeber his name. I think I had his last conversation with him. It was about farting.:D


EDIT - Actually, it looks like he came back for a short time after our conversation. Shame I didn't run into him though.

[the defenders]

Get him to come back or something...I liked that guy.

[captainrogers]

If anything I want to see the definitive Cap vs. Wolvie confrontation.......anything to get my boy Captain America some more exposure.

BTW, has Wolvie ever gone toe to toe with Black Panther??

[Kurosawa]

If anything I want to see the definitive Cap vs. Wolvie confrontation.......anything to get my boy Captain America some more exposure.

You don't want to see that. They'd make Cap look like crap compared to Wolverine. They already did in an issue of Uncanny set during WW II where they teamed up, and Cap was portrayed as an inept child while Wolverine had to save him 3 or 4 times.

In a fight, they'd have Wolverine destroy and humiliate Cap. It's absurd, but that's what they'd do.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

i'm pretty sure cap beat wolvie up before, while wolverine was in a berserker rage.
also, in secret war #2(the new series) cap humiliates wolverine by scolding him on an airplane for acting like a jackass to the stewardess.
things just aren't quite as bad as you think they are, man.

[SHELBY_LOWRIE]

wolverine is cool

[Bapman]

Funny.......
BUT
I like HUGH JACKMAN's WOLVERINE more than the COMICBOOK Wolvie.
Sure I like Wolvie a lot... enough to call myself his fan.
BUT
I don't like the COMIC Wolverine 'cause of the writers... not 'cause of the character.

I mean here we have a superhealing... martial arts expert... berserk hero with CAWs... n he practically gets beaten up by anyone... n the best moves he ever gave were in the VIDEO games.
Seriously... maybe they should take some of those technical moves from the games n use them.
The 200 YEARS experience HAS to count for SOMETHING !!!

[3dman27]

Originally posted by Gambit8370
[

Fact is, the only other true bad-ass in the MU is the Punisher. send him over to the "ultimate" universe, just kill EVERYONE in that whole bastard franchise then last panel have a close-up of Frank's ugly mug with him going, "Heh! Cancelled." [/B] that'd work for me but have him spare the wall crawler willya?

[Union Jack]

Originally posted by Kurosawa
Basically I feel that almost every major Marvel character that has encountered Wolverine has been made to look inferior to him. I think the character has been built up, not on his own merits (of which I feel he has none), but at the expense of other characters. Marvel has either killed every character they had that I liked or changed them so much that I can hardly recognize them. So, as they have cancelled series over they years and started them over, I have just cut the titles.

And Marvel is hardly the best they have ever been. That was in the 60's.
same goes for batman in the inferior thing,hell,he has even beat superman which is a daft thought..
wolverine is one one my favourite characters,he is a kick ass guy,his ultimate incarnation is great,a story with wolverine is generally action packed,interested or just damn good,his interaction with other marvel guys/girls is always great to read.
if you dont like wolvy fine but dont say he IS crap,you may think so but that is only,and only ever will be,your opinion.
I like all dc and marvel people but wolverine is one of the best....roll on a wolverine/batman story that'd be great!!

[Bapman]

Like I said...
The character is AWESOME........ its just tht most writers dont make GOOD use of him... n makes even less of WHAT he is.

Good example.... he's like MARVEL's BATMAN...
Just 'cause the writers can't find proper ways to show how GOOD Wolverine / Batman is... they have to bring down the other characters.

Oh well...

[Darthphere]

Why was this thread revived?

[TheCorpulent1]

defenders was feeling nostalgic. :o

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Mr. Smash'n Bash
Well lets see here ...

1. He makes every fight somewhat hilarious
2. He could chop you up into teeny tiny bits
3. He's a badass mother****er who doesn't take **** from anyone
4. He can get his face blown off by a shotgun and keep going
5. He's short ( Thats what makes it so funny ... Watching some big ass guy getting the **** kicked out of them by someone whos like 5' 8")
6. He's Right Behind You! Ahh! Watch Out For That Claw ... Ouch ... Thats Gotta Hurt ...

:)

5'3"

[Kurosawa]

same goes for batman in the inferior thing,hell,he has even beat superman which is a daft thought..
wolverine is one one my favourite characters,he is a kick ass guy,his ultimate incarnation is great,a story with wolverine is generally action packed,interested or just damn good,his interaction with other marvel guys/girls is always great to read.
if you dont like wolvy fine but dont say he IS crap,you may think so but that is only,and only ever will be,your opinion.
I like all dc and marvel people but wolverine is one of the best....roll on a wolverine/batman story that'd be great!!

They didn't do crap like that with Batman unitl the mid-80's when Miller got ahold of him. For almost 50 years, Batman was treated just like any other hero. And DC was the better for it. But even so, Batman still has taken more lumps. He broke down psychologically, got his back broken and had to be replaced, and then he picked the wrong guy to take his place, until he came back and had the good sense to give the job to Nightwing until he was ready to return.

Wolverine has never been broken down and beaten like that. Not even when Magneto removed his adamantium LACING. And even in that, he gets praised by Magneto: "My most respected foe"...ya, right. In the 70's, Magneto regarded Wolverine as nothing but an animal. Now all of a sudden he's his most respected foe? What's Xavier then??!!???

A Batman/Wolverine crossover? Well, it'd be according to who wrote it, but I don't think Wolverine's worthy of sharing space with a legend like Batman. That's one reason why I'm not keen on the idea of a major Wolverine/Cap crossover...that and as i said before, they'd just make Cap look bad.

And various characters chew Wolverine out all the time for being a jerk or for being reckless. Cyclops used to do it regularly. Cap doing it is no big deal. They do scenes like that to show Wolverine defying authority. It's a big part of his popularity. Never mind that he may get people killed with his supreme arrogance.

[Len N. Wallace]

Who brought these dumbass threads back?

[Bat-Mantis]

That defenders prick.
He started them a long time ago with an alternate screen name to try to get some twisted, geeky, sad fanboy kick... guess he needed another fix and thought to bring them back.
The guy brings new meaning to the word "useless", I tell ya.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Originally posted by Kurosawa


And various characters chew Wolverine out all the time for being a jerk or for being reckless. Cyclops used to do it regularly. Cap doing it is no big deal. They do scenes like that to show Wolverine defying authority. It's a big part of his popularity. Never mind that he may get people killed with his supreme arrogance.

actually, all wolverine did afterward was sit down, shut up, and look sullen.
and he was drunkenly flirting with a hot stewardess, not putting people's lives in danger.

[Mr. Fear]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
That defenders prick.
He started them a long time ago with an alternate screen name to try to get some twisted, geeky, sad fanboy kick... guess he needed another fix and thought to bring them back.
The guy brings new meaning to the word "useless", I tell ya. I like defenders.:(

[Len N. Wallace]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
That defenders prick.
He started them a long time ago with an alternate screen name to try to get some twisted, geeky, sad fanboy kick... guess he needed another fix and thought to bring them back.
The guy brings new meaning to the word "useless", I tell ya.
Dude's like, what? 12? 13? I pity da fool...

[demento]

Somebody hasn't been reading his Ennis.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Originally posted by Mr. Fear
I like defenders.:(
perhaps you are defenders??!?! whOOoOOoOOOOOoooOoo.........

[FlameHead]

Originally posted by Roughneck
So what if Wolverine sell books. I have avoided titles cause he is in them. Marvel should o a poll. If they want to sell books for me I need an Archangel appearance. That is a guarenteed sale for me. For some it is Cyclops, or Dr. Strange, or even 3DMan. Just case more people will buy a book with Wolverine in it doesn't make sense for them. Oh Wait it does. Well I still dont like him. I used to but I m now sick of him. I used to like McDonalds Cheesburgers, But I ate about 5-10 a day for three months now I can't stand them. If I smell one I will get sick. As a Canadian it disgusts me that Wolvierine is so loved. It bothers me tht he is even from Western Canada. I would expect that from a Newfie but not here. I cannot wait for the day when his real origin is revealed and he spent WWII as a Nazi that everyone hated and then he fades into obscurity right behind Eye-Scream.

Expect that from a Newfie? Huh?

[TheLizard]

Reason 1, the only one that matters, HE IS CANADIAN.

[FlameHead]

hmm... i'm confused.

[X]

It's the same thing with Batman. He's a good character, certain people just make him out to be bad. Yes, Wolverines overexposed at times, blah blah blah, he's still a decent, good character underneath it all. Lot of great stories have been written involving him. Yes, a lot of cliched, rushed stuff written just to make money as well, but still. Just a couple of stupid fans that overplay him, ala Batman, and it's contagious. Stupidity that is.

[Nitehawk013]

Ok...so everyone hates Wolvie b/c he is in a lot of books? Thats ignorant. He may be in a lot of books...but I have had far more Spidey crammed sideways up my butt in the years I have read comics. At least Woverine is interesting, unlike frickin science geek Parker. Maybe it's more that he beats up a lot of other heroes, etc. Well...he is a mutant who heals fast, has adamantium skeleton, and is a master with swords, martial arts, and his claws. He should be able to kick the crap out of half the guys you all are fanboys for. Capt. America? Give me a bereak. He is the ultimate man b/c he took a freakin drink like 60 years ago and then was frozen for what? 3 decades. That whole time Wovie was kickin peoples heads in. Cap shouldn't be able to even stand up to Wolvie, but he does b/c he is Cap America and people have to suspend logic and side with him b/c he has a shield and wears Red White and Blue.
Face it. Without Wolvie marvel would be belly up. Like him or not, he is an great character with lots of back story and depth. He makes alot of money for Marvel. He isn't going anywhere.

[captainrogers]

Damn, Nitehawk013, you are a Cap hating Machine!!! I'm just playing with you man! :D
But I could see Cap taking Wolvie out in a fight and vice versa. They are pretty much even IMHO.

[Nitehawk013]

Are you following me around threads? Just Kidding.

[Démon]

Originally posted by FlameHead
Expect that from a Newfie? Huh?

Bah, don't mind him. He's just another mainlander that allowed himself to be consumed by the ignorance and prejudice against Newfoundland. Thankfully, most mainlanders here are more respectable.

Yes, Wolverine is indeed an overhyped character. He was good in the beginning, when his powers had a limit - took longer for him to heal. Now he's got a healing factor that's not too far from the Hulk's. (For example, he walked out of the atomic explosion in the Venom series unscathed) Bad writing has led him to become a stale character.
Not that I hate Wolverine. I really like his Origin and the story behind the adamantium infusion. Plus he's got one of my favorite villains; Sabretooth. But it's just that writers have made him pretty much invulnerable, and use him waaayyyy too much.

[Melfina]

Ya, I have nothing against Wolverine, I like him, I honestly do. It's just that you can only make a character interesting for so many years. He has been through everything and seems nearly invincible, and that has been done so many times. He's always been in the spotlight and will probably continue to.
I think Wolverine currently is just horrible (in the New X-men series) but I also think that about the other characters as well (Xavier smokes, Scott cheats on his wife and Beast looke like a big furry kitten)


Wolvie only 5'3'? wow he's the same height as me, thats pretty damn short 0_o

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Nitehawk013
Ok...so everyone hates Wolvie b/c he is in a lot of books? Thats ignorant. He may be in a lot of books...but I have had far more Spidey crammed sideways up my butt in the years I have read comics. At least Woverine is interesting, unlike frickin science geek Parker. Maybe it's more that he beats up a lot of other heroes, etc. Well...he is a mutant who heals fast, has adamantium skeleton, and is a master with swords, martial arts, and his claws. He should be able to kick the crap out of half the guys you all are fanboys for. Capt. America? Give me a bereak. He is the ultimate man b/c he took a freakin drink like 60 years ago and then was frozen for what? 3 decades. That whole time Wovie was kickin peoples heads in. Cap shouldn't be able to even stand up to Wolvie, but he does b/c he is Cap America and people have to suspend logic and side with him b/c he has a shield and wears Red White and Blue.
Face it. Without Wolvie marvel would be belly up. Like him or not, he is an great character with lots of back story and depth. He makes alot of money for Marvel. He isn't going anywhere.
Wow, most of that was utter bulls***. :up:

[Nitehawk013]

Wow...what a terribly precise reply.

[TheCorpulent1]

I was talking about your, um... assessment of Spider-Man and Captain America, which is what took up the majority of your post. Hence, most of it was utter bulls***. Hope that clears it up for you. :)

[Nitehawk013]

I thought it was rather straight forward and exacting assessment of Cap. He was in fact a nobody who took a drug and turned into an olympic athlete/war hero. Then he gets frozen for seriously like 30 years. That whole time Wolvie adds to his already commanding amount of experience over him. It's like saying you or I could train to our peak level for like 5 years, then never work out for decades, and still be able to come back and whup a world Karate champion. Not logical...only bad writing allows it. As far as Spidey is concerned, for the years I read comics all I ever heard was how wonderful nd great Spidey was. I heard more about him and had to see more of him than I did Wolverine. :p

[X]

And Wolverine spent how much of that time, drinking and hanging around, getting in trouble, and doing other unhealthy things? Wolverine was also a nobody who happened to be a mutant.

And Cap was in suspended animation of sorts, so he's just as good as when he was blown off that ship into the water today, well, when he was found by those people and Namor and unfrozen.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Nitehawk013
I thought it was rather straight forward and exacting assessment of Cap. He was in fact a nobody who took a drug and turned into an olympic athlete/war hero. Then he gets frozen for seriously like 30 years. That whole time Wolvie adds to his already commanding amount of experience over him. It's like saying you or I could train to our peak level for like 5 years, then never work out for decades, and still be able to come back and whup a world Karate champion. Not logical...only bad writing allows it. As far as Spidey is concerned, for the years I read comics all I ever heard was how wonderful nd great Spidey was. I heard more about him and had to see more of him than I did Wolverine. :p
Wolverine can have all the training you want him to, but he still won't remember much of it. His memory extends what, 5-10 years back? Whenever he woke up in the cabin of Heather and James Hudson. His life before that is a blur, with only a few memories of the Weapon X project. Whether he had any training or not before that is irrelevant, since he can't access it. Even if he could, you and I both know that Wolverine fights like a savage animal 9 times out of 10. I think the only time I've seen him actually use any of his knowledge of martial arts is against Lord Shingen. He's been taken out by far less than Captain America, like a squad of the Hellfire Club's thugs, for example. Captain America's fought off squad after squad of Nazis on the battlefield with nothing but his shield and his wits.

Captain America is at least as strong as Wolverine. He's also faster, more agile, and has quicker reflexes. His shield can take Wolverine's claws without a problem, which basically brings them back to fighting experience. Cap's got it in spades. He was given the serum and then he trained constantly. He's mastered several martial arts forms and uses a hybridized version of all of them, picking and choosing whichever moves best suit the battle with one of the best strategic/tactical minds on the planet. He was stuck in suspended animation for years and woke up about 10 years ago in Marvel time. Not only was his body in exactly the same condition it was in when he was frozen (hence, suspended animation), he's been training almost constantly whenever he's not stuck fighting some psycho villain ever since then. That gives him pretty much the same amount of experience as Wolverine can access and Captain America, unlike Wolverine, actually uses his combat experience and martial arts.

[X]

Well said. :up:

[Nitehawk013]

I cannot disagree enough with that opinion Corpulent. First you mention that Wolvie cannot access his past training. That is false. He has shown in numerous X books as well as his own book that he has access to and uses the samurai training he gained as well as the martial arts. He did not have access to his true origins and who he really was. the Weapon X program blocked out those things but left him his skills at fighting and killing. Also, although he does appear very savage, he does not always fight as an animal. He uses his claws. You mean to tell me that bc he doesn't do a jump spinning heel kick he doesn't use his Martial Arts training? He always uses his training and I am sure knows exactly what he is doing. That is until the eyes turn red and he goes berserk.
I do not know about any Hellfire thugs taking him down. I have not seen that but if you post it or show it I will accept it in context. I have seen him machine gunned down by normal men. I have not ever seen him taken down by any normal people.
Cap is prolly as strong or possibly a tad stronger than Wolvie. I accept that. but strength is easily neutralized by a good fighter, which Wolvie has had over a century of training at. As far as Cap being faster and more agile, that is your opinion. wolvie has demonstrated some pretty impressive agility and speed in the X books. I don't know about the reflexes though. Although Wolvie does have superior heightened senses.
the shield is of stronger material than the claws...but if he throws it, and doesn't get it back...Cap has nothing left.
In Fighting Experiance you must have swallowed you brain to say Cap has it "in spades". He has a grand total of what...fifteen to maybe 20 years combat exp in Marvel time. Wolvie has been fighting in one way or another for over 100 years. granted a part of that time was a s a beast just killing to survive..but that gives him an edge Cap will never have.
You said Cap has "mastered" several forms of martial arts. I have seen it in another thread and I know from friends who are in Martial arts, that Cap did not have time to master multiple forms of martial arts. If he trained for fives years before he was in WWII then he may have learned one form of the arts well. It is foolish to say he mastered anything in that time and it takles away from the art and difficulty of the martial arts. I don't care if he trained for 12 hours a day...he could not have mastered squat. I admit he is great at whatever form he chose, and uses the shield fluently as an extension of himself....but he did not have time to master the martial arts. He wasn't doing training while he was in a block of ice.
Cap is a great fighter, and he would beat down most normal villains and normal mutants like Gambit, etc. But Wolvie is in a league of his own.

[Flame on!]

Originally posted by ComicMaster
...his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men...
That's the best anti-Wolvie comment I've heard...

[Nitehawk013]

Man my spelling is terrible today.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not my opinion that Captain America is faster or more agile. It's just logical. Captain America is at the human maximum of speed and agility, Wolverine's just a guy in really good shape. Plus he's got his adamantium weighing him down. You're telling me a guy who's not super-strong can move faster with a body full of metal than a guy at the peak level of human agility and speed? That just doesn't make any sense, unless Wolverine's got more physical powers than what he's always been listed as having.

Like I said, Wolverine fights like a brawler more often than not. He has some vestiges of his training left over in the form of his combat instincts, but if you read through a bunch of his appearances he is usually shown getting his ass kicked while he relies on his healing factor to compensate. The instance I mentioned about Hellfire Club goons was from the Dark Phoenix Saga. Wolverine gets his ass kicked by one of the Hellfire Club's members, then gets up and stalks through the Hellfire Club's mansion trying to get back to the rest of the X-Men. He has trouble against 3 or 4 Hellfire goons at a time. Captain America, meanwhile, can take on the likes of Iron Man and the Wrecking Crew all by himself.

Captain America has beaten Taskmaster relatively easily, and Taskmaster is generally considered one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe. He has a photographic memory that allows him to record and imitate anyone's moves, including superhumans' like Spider-Man's. He uses Cap's moves more often than any other person's for a reason. And yet still Cap has beaten him. Captain America is pretty much the best fighter in the Marvel universe. He's stood up to superhumans and beaten them time and time again using nothing but his fighting prowess. 15 to 20 years is enough time to master martial arts in comic books, regardless of what your friends say. Batman did it in DC and Cap's done it in Marvel.

Captain America IS a great fighter, but limiting him to normal villains and normal mutants is just complete nonsense. He has shown IN THE COMICS over and over and over again that he can stand up to superhumans and mutants with much more power than Wolverine.

[X]

The Taslmaster has whupped Cap's ass before as well. His first appearance anyway. :D ;)

[DBM]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Captain America is pretty much the best fighter in the Marvel universe. He's stood up to superhumans and beaten them time and time again using nothing but his fighting prowess.

Just last Avengers issue, Cap kicked John Walker's ass. Walker was trained to be Caps replacement (by Taskmaster even) and has Class 10 strength and Cap took him down easy.

Not necessarily relevant but I thought it was fun nontheless.

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by ComicMaster
Can someone tell me why this losers so popular? He's a short little runt, he throws temper tantrums, his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men, he can barely form a complete sentence, bub, and maybe worst of all, he is a filthy little mutant, like a great number of posters who have bad mouthed me here. Gee your post gives the impression that you aren'tr any smarter than a used tampon, and you wonder why you get attacked?

Edit: Didn't realize he was banned

[Nitehawk013]

I don't care what you say Corpulent. I am gonna argue with you until I put you over 14000 posts. LOL.
I still don't buy your argument though. I just don't much want to continue it here anymore. It was fun for a while and you are quite good at holding your side of the debate. You know a lot of stuff too. I commend you sir.
I only wrote in the first place b/c people trash Wolverine like he is a real person trying to hog the spotlight or something. he is a character. It's the writers fault he is everywhere. He makes money. Don't trash a really good character just b/c you see him in a lot of books. The guy is the classic tortured soul, anti hero, fighting the inner demons and still having a high code of honor.

[TheCorpulent1]

I have no qualms against Wolverine. You're right, he is an interesting character. I'll agree to disagree on this one subject, though (even though you're still wrong ;)).

[the defenders]

Wow! I Agree!

[Horhey]

Can someone tell me why this losers so popular? He's a short little runt, he throws temper tantrums, his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men, he can barely form a complete sentence, bub, and maybe worst of all, he is a filthy little mutant, like a great number of posters who have bad mouthed me here.

Your only making a jerk out of yourself. Stop digging.

[CombatRock319]

im not a huge wolverine fan but dude you arent making friends and quick. hes farm from a loser...

...meh...

[the defenders]

hahahahahahahaah

[Captain Useless]

OT, but why is Wolverine constantly looking much taller than 5'3?
He looks at least 5'10 in almost all appearances.

[Anubis]

Not this douche bag again :rolleyes:

[Xofenroht]

OT, but why is Wolverine constantly looking much taller than 5'3?
He looks at least 5'10 in almost all appearances.

So. The ****. What?

If I've ever seen a dead horse kicked an infinite amount of times it's this one.

There are worse things going on in the Marvel titles than these trivial issues with Wolverine.

[ang_hulk]

he is one of those characters that seemed to be a hit from the start,all he was was a guy in a hookey looking costume with claws,nothing really exciting,no energy blasts,no real cool shots of his powers and yet he took off like crazy.I dont think him not knowing were he comes from interests anyone anymore but the things he has done always seem to get people talking and hes never to far from his rageful self even when hes completely relaxed.Him taking the time to train shadow cat and not holding back shows he isnt heartless and really knows his stuff.His healing factors become somehwat of a nosense latly with him surviving anything but I dont think he relies on it during battle,infact even when he had bone claws and a bare skeleton he went full force into each battle.its what he is,a fighter and a killer but hes really good at doi9ng that and living the ret of his life as a teacher or whatever hes up to.He doesnt bend for people even when he loves them and thats not really somthing alot of the bad boys of marvel can say,hell even deadpool has held back for a girl. Im not saying he doesnt take it easy on epople but its only when it would compromise somthing. I really like him as a character and he and the hulk go hand in hand alot but I have never questioned his following,hes a great character.

[Unthinkable]

I don't care what you say Corpulent. I am gonna argue with you until I put you over 14000 posts. LOL.


Well, it looks like he accomplished that. :o

[Xofenroht]

You know...he does different things now (Wolverine). He remembers his past.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, it looks like he accomplished that. :o
You know, I don't even remember this dude. I take comfort in knowing that I wouldn't have even bothered getting involved in this conversation now, though. 3 years later, I've actually gained a bit of wisdom about fanboy arguments, if nothing else. :)

[Captain Useless]

Not this douche bag again :rolleyes:

Me? :huh:

[Xofenroht]

No, Nitecock.

[Anubis]

No, the Defenders.

[Xofenroht]

Oh.

[Midnyte_Sun]

Wolverine is just a simply fun character all around in my opinion. The only thing I have a problem with him about is his yellow and black costume which really is out dated and has to go.

[TheCorpulent1]

Brown and tan. Always brown and tan. :up:

[PhotoJones]

It will be one of the first things I change when I gain control of Marvel.

[Anubis]

I'd just change the current costumes colors to brown and tan. That would be the best way to do it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I like the design of the current costume, but brown and tan would look better. Tan instead of yellow and brown instead of blue. :up:

It's not like it'd be too similar to Sabretooth's anymore. :dry:

[PhotoJones]

I'd be all over that. :up:

[shapeshifter]

Can someone tell me why this losers so popular? He's a short little runt, he throws temper tantrums, his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men, he can barely form a complete sentence, bub, and maybe worst of all, he is a filthy little mutant, like a great number of posters who have bad mouthed me here.

if only that were true. I would buy him a beer.

[Captain Useless]

Yeah, I like the design of the current costume, but brown and tan would look better. Tan instead of yellow and brown instead of blue. :up:

It's not like it'd be too similar to Sabretooth's anymore. :dry:

I concur, I have always prefered his costume brown instead of blue.

So...do you guys prefer that Wolverine can get drunk, or that he's unable to get intoxicated because of his healing factor?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd prefer if he could get drunk as a result of his healing factor being toned down overall.

[PhotoJones]

You love to hate Wolverine, but you also hate that you love him. You're so silly.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't love him. I do love to hate him, though. I don't honestly know what I'd do if people started writing him as a reasonable powerhouse. So much of the joy I get from *****ing about comic-related stuff would be lost.

[PhotoJones]

You're totally going to be buying 3 Wolverine titles a month, dude. That's love.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's an unfortunate side effect of those books actually sounding interesting in spite of his presence. :o

The solicitation for Wolverine: First Class makes it sound more like Giant-Size X-Men: First Class, to be honest. Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and the other "second team" characters are supposed to be in the first issue, at least.

[PhotoJones]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. :)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

See, here's the thing...Wolverine, like any other character, is great when handled by the CORRECT writer. Somewhere between Onslaught and now, they decided that all that made Wolverine cool was his hack/slash attitude and claws, whereas what made him so cool a character was his Clint Eastwood-like quality. He was the silent badass who didn't say much, and who, for the most part, clung to the background until he was needed to step in and do what he does best. NOT that he was flawless and the only one who could win fights.

Wolverine was a multi-dimensional character once he joined the X-Men. He had depth, mystery, a complex personality. He provided a good foil for Cyclops' goody-goody nature, and competition for Jean as women love the bad boy. Though the X-Men were like his family and the X-Mansion the only place he considered home, he always felt like an outsider amongst outsiders and kept his distance. He fought to control the animal nature inside, he had extensive training which he used to the fullest from the simplest hunt to saving his allies. He was hardly a genius, but when he spoke there was a wisdom behind the words that only comes with experience.

THAT was Wolverine.

This character that's been running around for a while is NOT. It's a characature. It's a What If? gone wrong. He's obnoxious, in your face, nothing more than two sets of claws (and FYI, there's a smoking ban at Marvel so he hasn't lit-up in a few years now). Marvel thinks that's all there is to the character, and the writers do little to disporve it.

You wanna see the REAL Wolverine? Go read CLASSIC Claremont. Go read Larry Hama. Go read any book before the mid 1990s, then come back here and tell us that he was everything he is now.

[fifthfiend]

You know what isn't a joke?

Blueberry truffle chocolates from See's Candies.

If you've got a See's Candies near you, do yourself a favor, stop on in and try one of these babies.

Boy howdy, are you in for a treat!

[PhotoJones]

That sounds fantastic.

[fifthfiend]

That sounds fantastic.

They're even better than that.

I won't even tell you about the raspberry cremes, you shouldn't even be trying those until you've had a few of the blueberries to build up a tolerance.

[PhotoJones]

The closest one is two states over. **** that. :down

[fifthfiend]

Move out of the sticks, dude.

[PhotoJones]

I'm not in the sticks. :confused:

[fifthfiend]

Your info says Ohio. That's like an entire state of the sticks.

[PhotoJones]

Haha. You're ignorant. :up:

[Xofenroht]

Ohio does suck.

[fifthfiend]

They wouldn't call it flyover country if there was anything there I needed to know about.

[Xofenroht]

Bone Thugs N' Harmony is there. You need to know about them. That's the only good thing I can say about Ohio.

[PhotoJones]

You guys are living in Michigan and Maryland. I rest my case. :o

[Xofenroht]

You know, God made Michigan look like a giant hand so he'd have something to ***** slap Ohio with.

[PhotoJones]

That's actually sort of clever.

[Xofenroht]

I know, I'm from Michigan.

[fifthfiend]

You guys are living in Michigan and Maryland. I rest my case. :o

I actually completely agree with that case, which is why I moved to San Francsico.

...I should really update my profile.

[PhotoJones]

I know, I'm from Michigan.

Was that the one clever quip of the year people from Michigan are allowed to express? The rest of the year is booked full with being racist, depressed and polluted.

[Xofenroht]

Y'know, we have an Upper Peninsula. We could slap Maryland too.

[Xofenroht]

Was that the one clever quip of the year people from Michigan are allowed to express? The rest of the year is booked full with being racist, depressed and polluted.

The bad part is that I agree with you. We're only not depressed when we're drunk.

[Varient]

hahahahahahahaah

Hmmmmn.

Can u say "Blast from the past?"



I wonder,.. did the Banned poster ever come back?


V.

[PhotoJones]

The bad part is that I agree with you. We're only not depressed when we're drunk.

And unemployed. I forgot to mention that one.

[Xofenroht]

Yeah, you know our state almost closed down?

[Varient]

See, here's the thing...Wolverine, like any other character, is great when handled by the CORRECT writer. Somewhere between Onslaught and now, they decided that all that made Wolverine cool was his hack/slash attitude and claws, whereas what made him so cool a character was his Clint Eastwood-like quality. He was the silent badass who didn't say much, and who, for the most part, clung to the background until he was needed to step in and do what he does best. NOT that he was flawless and the only one who could win fights.

Wolverine was a multi-dimensional character once he joined the X-Men. He had depth, mystery, a complex personality. He provided a good foil for Cyclops' goody-goody nature, and competition for Jean as women love the bad boy. Though the X-Men were like his family and the X-Mansion the only place he considered home, he always felt like an outsider amongst outsiders and kept his distance. He fought to control the animal nature inside, he had extensive training which he used to the fullest from the simplest hunt to saving his allies. He was hardly a genius, but when he spoke there was a wisdom behind the words that only comes with experience.

THAT was Wolverine.

This character that's been running around for a while is NOT. It's a characature. It's a What If? gone wrong. He's obnoxious, in your face, nothing more than two sets of claws (and FYI, there's a smoking ban at Marvel so he hasn't lit-up in a few years now). Marvel thinks that's all there is to the character, and the writers do little to disporve it.

You wanna see the REAL Wolverine? Go read CLASSIC Claremont. Go read Larry Hama. Go read any book before the mid 1990s, then come back here and tell us that he was everything he is now.


............................................

(Mild surprise.)

[Damiean Dark]

I like wolvie but he is getting over exposed Marvel unlike DC has other popular characters that can be given more script time we dont only have Batman to sell comics we have loads of other popular well known heroes.

[kguillou]

Um, no offense, im not a DC hater or anything (i love batman, superman and green lantern) but over at DC Batman is also VERY overused. There's a TON of books with batman in them, just about as much as wolverine is in Marvel. Batman's featured in Batman, Detective Comics, Batman and the Outsiders, Batman Confidential, Justice League, Superman/ Batman, and i'm sure there are others. Both DC and Marvel overuse their popular characters to the max.

[fifthfiend]

You know one of these days someone's gonna work out exactly why it is that when Wolverine shows up in three hundred comics a week it's annoying as ****, but when Batman shows up in three hundred and fourteen comics a week it's like eh, no big.

I mean rationally I should find the latter as godawfully annoying as the former bug for some reason no, I can shrug off any ten million appearances of Batty McBats but somehow five million appearances of Wolvie von Wolverinington is just four point five million too goddamn many.

[fifthfiend]

Y'know, we have an Upper Peninsula. We could slap Maryland too.

That'd require the Yoopers to uncross their eyes long enough to aim a slap.

[Harlekin]

You know one of these days someone's gonna work out exactly why it is that when Wolverine shows up in three hundred comics a week it's annoying as ****, but when Batman shows up in three hundred and fourteen comics a week it's like eh, no big.

I mean rationally I should find the latter as godawfully annoying as the former bug for some reason no, I can shrug off any ten million appearances of Batty McBats but somehow five million appearances of Wolvie von Wolverinington is just four point five million too goddamn many.
Difference being that half of those titles are devoted to Batman as is. You don't need to read them. Wolverine, although it's becoming less frequent, has the tendency to show up just anywhere, and you can't help but read a Wolverine story.

[Xofenroht]

That'd require the Yoopers to uncross their eyes long enough to aim a slap.

Well...well...yeah.:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Difference being that half of those titles are devoted to Batman as is. You don't need to read them. Wolverine, although it's becoming less frequent, has the tendency to show up just anywhere, and you can't help but read a Wolverine story.
Batman's also more the kind of character who's logically bound to show up in a lot of places. He's a behind-the-scenes manipulator with his fingers in many pies all the time. Wolverine is just a dude who runs around trying to cut people. He's not the type to be keeping track of people and popping up when they least expect it like Batman is.

[the defenders]

this is still the best thread on this site.

[Anubis]

Man, I miss PJ.

Now there was an A-hole.

[RAMORE]

What about wolverine's son running around as him what the hell is that about. We have an overexposed character with a bad son cliche and a younger female version that I can't help but love.

[BlackLantern]

Can someone tell me why this losers so popular? He's a short little runt, he throws temper tantrums, his second hand smoke is killing the other X-Men, he can barely form a complete sentence, bub, and maybe worst of all, he is a filthy little mutant, like a great number of posters who have bad mouthed me here.

Id agree....he's the walking talking cliche of the tough guy anti-hero with a heart of gold...it's a tired bit

[lowly marvelite]

Oh yeah, Wolverine's cool. Although, he is probably old school cool. I would say, Deadpool, basically a modern spin-off of Wolvie, is the modern day cool.

[lowly marvelite]

I'm tired of your posts. :o

So why read them? You obviously aren't that tired of them. Why not ignore them if you don't like them? Why do you feel the need to say something sh(&*^$? How 'bout keep your little nasty comments to yourself.

[Anubis]

Since i've got you alone in this little used joke thread, I would just like to let you know that you've built up over the last hour or whatver a good case for a banning. This is what you would call trolling.

I wish I could say it was nice knowing you, but that would be a lie.

[OnedetachedonE]

Hmmm. I don't think Wolvies that bad. I kinda like him. Sort of a modern day Clint Eastwood.

[livrule]

See, here's the thing...Wolverine, like any other character, is great when handled by the CORRECT writer. Somewhere between Onslaught and now, they decided that all that made Wolverine cool was his hack/slash attitude and claws, whereas what made him so cool a character was his Clint Eastwood-like quality. He was the silent badass who didn't say much, and who, for the most part, clung to the background until he was needed to step in and do what he does best. NOT that he was flawless and the only one who could win fights.

Wolverine was a multi-dimensional character once he joined the X-Men. He had depth, mystery, a complex personality. He provided a good foil for Cyclops' goody-goody nature, and competition for Jean as women love the bad boy. Though the X-Men were like his family and the X-Mansion the only place he considered home, he always felt like an outsider amongst outsiders and kept his distance. He fought to control the animal nature inside, he had extensive training which he used to the fullest from the simplest hunt to saving his allies. He was hardly a genius, but when he spoke there was a wisdom behind the words that only comes with experience.

THAT was Wolverine.

This character that's been running around for a while is NOT. It's a characature. It's a What If? gone wrong. He's obnoxious, in your face, nothing more than two sets of claws (and FYI, there's a smoking ban at Marvel so he hasn't lit-up in a few years now). Marvel thinks that's all there is to the character, and the writers do little to disporve it.

You wanna see the REAL Wolverine? Go read CLASSIC Claremont. Go read Larry Hama. Go read any book before the mid 1990s, then come back here and tell us that he was everything he is now.

Very good post.

The last GREAT Wolverine comic I read was #90 ... The issue where he takes down Sabretooth before the Age Of Apocalypse kicked in.

So much more than just a fight issue ... (Also probably the last time Creed was actually worth reading)