JLA vs. The X-men

[Docker2.0]

Who would win? Batman, Wonderwoman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow, and Aquaman as the JLA. Versus Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey(With the Phoenix), Colossus, Bishop, Gambit, and Magneto(he is an unactive member). Who would win? Vote!

[Guyverjay]

JLA

[Captain America]

Wow, this is would be one hell of a Brawl. Here's the best I could match them up.

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops
Wolverine vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman = Rogue
Storm vs. Hawkgirl = Storm
Jean Grey (Phoenix) vs. Martian Manhunter = Jean Grey
Colossus vs. Superman = Superman
Bishop vs. The Flash = The Flash
Gambit vs. Green Arrow = Gambit
Magneto vs. Green Lantern = Green Lantern

Round 2
Cyclops vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. The Flash = The Flash
Storm/Gambit vs. Superman = Superman
Jean Grey vs. Green Lantern = Jean Grey

Round 3
Batman/The Flash/Superman vs. Jean Grey = JLA

Sorry I didn't give any good explanations, i'm tired and don't feel like typing out Paragraphs.

[Milk Moustache]

JLA.

[Johnny Blaze]

Though I am a huge X-fan, the JLA would take 'em.
A fairer fight would be the JLA vs the Avengers.
At least then you got Thor, Iron Man, Cap A, Sersi, Crystal, Vision, and you could even toss in the Hulk.

[NightwingWC]

Flash would quickly grab cyclops visor and then beat his butt. Wonder Woan would use her strength to fight jean's telekinesis, then kill her. Batman would beat rogue to a crisp, GL would fire a huge bullet through the rest.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by NightwingWC
Flash would quickly grab cyclops visor and then beat his butt. Wonder Woan would use her strength to fight jean's telekinesis, then kill her. Batman would beat rogue to a crisp, GL would fire a huge bullet through the rest.

What is you smoking? Batman beating Rogue? Do you know that if Rogue touches Batman, he would die. Wonder Woman beating the Phoenix one on one? yeah right!! I can't lie, I think the JLA would get them but not as easy as people think. I think Superman would have to take on Rogue or Jean Gray becuase Wonder Woman is really outmatched. Batman isn't even in there league cuase even with prep time, he couldn't beat either of them. The Phoenix destroyed planets and stars!

[Lobo]

JLA

[NightwingWC]

yeah, but batman is almost completely covered.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by NightwingWC
yeah, but batman is almost completely covered.

"Almost" being the word. Considering how she can punch Juggernaut through a wall I doubt she'd have much trouble with Batman.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by Captain America
Wow, this is would be one hell of a Brawl. Here's the best I could match them up.

Round 1

Wolverine vs. Batman = Batman
Sorry I didn't give any good explanations, i'm tired and don't feel like typing out Paragraphs.

What makes you think that Batman could beat Wolverine? Please give me an explanation becuase I'm not buying the prep time thing. Wolverine would cut Batman to bits and pieces. He is stronger faster and more of a hunter. I don't want to hear about prep time cuase it doesn't always work. The only reason he beat Superman is becuase of kryptonite.

[OscorpFruitcake]

I love Batman, but he's bacon bits against Wolverine.

[Brodie Bruce]

JLA, admittingly

[Docker2.0]

Are the X-men losing becuase this is a DC board or becuase it is the truth?

[Gimili]

Speed, speed, speed! That's the trump card. Almost all the X-men
are taken down in a millisecond.

Magneto's force field is battered down and he is punched out. Two more milliseconds pass.

The only threat is the Phoenix. Although between the Flash's speed stealing, the Martian Manhunter's phasing and telepathy, and the Green Lantern's powerful force fields and creation of JLA duplicates, the JLA could probably pull it off.

[Captain America]

Originally posted by Docker
What makes you think that Batman could beat Wolverine? Please give me an explanation becuase I'm not buying the prep time thing. Wolverine would cut Batman to bits and pieces. He is stronger faster and more of a hunter. I don't want to hear about prep time cuase it doesn't always work. The only reason he beat Superman is becuase of kryptonite.

I'm not talking about Prep-Time, Batman could take down Wolverine. May be hard but he could do it, Wolverine would win in hand-to-hand Combat, but Batman wouldn't be caught dead without some types of Gadgets. Who said Batman couldn't Gas him out with Smoke Bombs (Which he always carries), then tie him up. Batman can use his Gauntlet to get out of Wolverine's Reach then attack him with Ariborn attacks, Batman has had the World's Finest Train him, he's not a walk over and it can be done. After a Few Punches to Wolverine, he'd find out that his Skeleton is made of some type of strong Material. Discovering, Physical is not the way to Beat him, so he'd attack him from the Inside (Dangerous Gases) then counter when he's Weak (Staying out of his Reach until he finds away to beat him). In this Battle there's no time for Preparation, it's all out War, Batman overall could outsmart Wolverine and use his Well Earned skills & Gadgets to take him down.

I still stand by my decision.

[Guyverjay]

Gases won't work on wolvie (unless specifically made just for him, but no prep time so thats out) because of his healing factor and to be fair I don't think bats would get a second chance if he initially tried to physically fight him. Wolvie would slice and dice him without preptime. Wolvie's 100 year plus fighting skills would sort that out.

[Captain America]

How about Shocking Wolverine?

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Captain America
How about Shocking Wolverine?

Dunno your guess is as good as mine:confused:

[Captain America]

Well i'd imagine since his Bones are laced with Adamantium (Which is a form of Steel), Electric seems to be attracted to Steel. Batman carries a Bat-Bola which wraps around the Enemie's Feet and shocks the **** out of them.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by Captain America
I'm not talking about Prep-Time, Batman could take down Wolverine. May be hard but he could do it, Wolverine would win in hand-to-hand Combat, but Batman wouldn't be caught dead without some types of Gadgets. Who said Batman couldn't Gas him out with Smoke Bombs (Which he always carries), then tie him up. Batman can use his Gauntlet to get out of Wolverine's Reach then attack him with Ariborn attacks, Batman has had the World's Finest Train him, he's not a walk over and it can be done. After a Few Punches to Wolverine, he'd find out that his Skeleton is made of some type of strong Material. Discovering, Physical is not the way to Beat him, so he'd attack him from the Inside (Dangerous Gases) then counter when he's Weak (Staying out of his Reach until he finds away to beat him). In this Battle there's no time for Preparation, it's all out War, Batman overall could outsmart Wolverine and use his Well Earned skills & Gadgets to take him down.

I still stand by my decision.

Wolverine has a healing factor. I don't think those gases would work on him. I know Batman is suppose to be peak human or whatever, but Wolverine is slightly beyond that. One on one, Wolverine has him in hand to hand combat. You have to realize to that these guys use the Danger room to train in, something that the JLA doesn't have. Besides I have seen Wolverine give the Hulk a hard time so I can only imagine what he would do to Batman. Batman gets way to much credit. I honestly don't think Batman could beat Daredevil. There is no way that Batman could beat him. Aiight Cap, do you think that Batman could beat Cyclops?

[Captain America]

Have you read anything that me & guyverjay have been discussing?

[Docker2.0]

I have read that. To be honest playa, it sounds like another bat excuse.

[Captain America]

Is Wolverine tolerable to electricity?

[Docker2.0]

As I stated earlier, the X-men train in the danger room and he dodges that all the time. Not saying he is not intolerable to it, but with his extremely quick reflexes and senses, I think he can dodge anything the bat throws at him. I like the Bat but c'mon, he gets way to much credit. I'm still trippin about how he kicked the Hulk in the abs and he even felt it.

[Cnoflow]

Wolverine is tolerable to EVERYTHING. Wolverin's got his hundres o years of expierence, adamantium claws that can cut through anything, Adamantium embeded to his bones making him invullnerable to even bullets, healing factor which heals up all wounds about as fast as the eyes can keeep up with . . . where as Batman is . . . a guy that works out a lot.

No contest i don't care how many smoke bombs he's got, it would take superman to take wolverine down!!

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Cnoflow
No contest i don't care how many smoke bombs he's got, it would take superman to take wolverine down!!

Um.................No

[Captain America]

That's the thing, Wolverine is like Batman but much worse. Just because Wolverine has the Senses of an Animal doesn't make him invulnerable, Batman would distract him then throw the Bat-Rola around his feet and shock him. Wolverine is not Superman and shouldn't even be compared to him.

[Kahran Ramsus]

Wolverine is tough, but Batman is good enough to hang with him hand to hand for a little while at least. Besides Batman has a lot of toys that Wolverine doesn't have. I'm sure he has a Bat-Magnet in there somewhere.

I'm not saying that Batman would beat Wolverine, but he has a shot. Its not like Batman vs. Iceman where Batman has no chance. Wolverine is beatable.

[Cnoflow]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Um.................No

Um..............yes.

Batman sucks, Wolverine rules. X-men all the way.:wolverine

[OscorpFruitcake]

Originally posted by Cnoflow
Batman sucks, Wolverine rules. X-men all the way.:wolverine

Well, Well, what's got you all excited.;)

[Cnoflow]

Originally posted by OscorpFruitcake
Well, Well, what's got you all excited.;)

Hahaha i don't really know. :cyclops:

[Cnoflow]

Adam West? More Like Stupid Pest!

[The Batman]

Wolverine is a stupid ass, yellow wearing, overrated pansy......


Batman, on the other hand, is cooler....JLA all the way...

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Cnoflow
Um..............yes.

Batman sucks, Wolverine rules. X-men all the way.:wolverine

What Bats got to do with anything? I was disagreeing with your laughable statement that only Superman could take down wolverine. If you read my earlier posts Ive lready said that I think wolvie can take the bat

[GreenLantern1]

Superman, Flash, and Green Lantern alone could beat the X-Men.
With Flash beating people up at the speed of light how could anyone touch him. Unless they have Kryptonite Superman cannot be taken down. Green Lantern can do whatever he wants to them with the ring.

[Guyverjay]

I beg to differ, it all depends how it pans out, because the phoenix is very capable of beating any member of the JLA one on one. We're talking cosmic entity here who would whip Silver surfers ass. Another guy who would whup any member of the JLA one on one.

[GreenLantern1]

Jean Grey and Xavier are the only hope for the X-Men

[Captain America]

Originally posted by The Batman
Wolverine is a stupid ass, yellow wearing, overrated pansy......

Rotflmao, Mr. Batman, I will treasure that statement forever.

[gildea]

Hmm i'll go with the Xmen on this one because its a scarily powerful line up. Actually phoenix and magneto could probably take the jla on their own IMO, the phoenix has absorbed the energy of suns its very probable she could suck the energy out of the jla, she's in the galactus class.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by gildea
Hmm i'll go with the Xmen on this one because its a scarily powerful line up. Actually phoenix and magneto could probably take the jla on their own IMO, the phoenix has absorbed the energy of suns its very probable she could suck the energy out of the jla, she's in the galactus class.

No shes not,Galactus is probably the third most powerful being the marvel universe. Phoenix is not in that league. Mags wouldn't do anything either. The Xmens only hope is prof X and phoenix the rest would get taken out by the flash,supes and wonder womans (99% of the speed of light) speed.Even if mags got his force field yp supes recently held a black hole with his bare hands (stupid I know but it happened), so mags forcefield mean jack squatt to him or the flash would just vibrate himself through.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by GreenLantern1
Superman, Flash, and Green Lantern alone could beat the X-Men.
With Flash beating people up at the speed of light how could anyone touch him. Unless they have Kryptonite Superman cannot be taken down. Green Lantern can do whatever he wants to them with the ring.

I have seen the Joker take down the JLA, well most of them and he has no powers. Professor X is twice the mind of the Joker, the Phoenix is just as powerful as Superman, whether you want to believe it or not, and Rogue is way to underrated, as well as the others. I think it is becuase this poll is in a DC thread is why it is so one-sided. I still don't get this Batman taking out the X-men alone bit. Batman is not God. Professor X would have him crying over his parents in this fight.

[Gimili]

Originally posted by Docker
I have seen the Joker take down the JLA, well most of them and he has no powers. Professor X is twice the mind of the Joker, the Phoenix is just as powerful as Superman, whether you want to believe it or not, and Rogue is way to underrated, as well as the others. I think it is becuase this poll is in a DC thread is why it is so one-sided. I still don't get this Batman taking out the X-men alone bit. Batman is not God. Professor X would have him crying over his parents in this fight.

That is a rather biased view. What about the times that Mr. Sinister and Dr. Doom have taken the X-men down with mutant power nullifiers?

Simply put, the Phoenix (assuming she has cosmic awareness) is the only one who can keep up with the JLA's speed. So it doesn't really matter how powerful the others are, since they will be taken out before their impulses fire.

Or how about this? Green Lantern makes construct mutant power nullifiers. Fight over.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Gimili
That is a rather biased view. What about the times that Mr. Sinister and Dr. Doom have taken the X-men down with mutant power nullifiers?

Simply put, the Phoenix (assuming she has cosmic awareness) is the only one who can keep up with the JLA's speed. So it doesn't really matter how powerful the others are, since they will be taken out before their impulses fire.

Or how about this? Green Lantern makes construct mutant power nullifiers. Fight over.

GL doesn't know how to make one of them, Fight back on:)

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by Gimili
That is a rather biased view. What about the times that Mr. Sinister and Dr. Doom have taken the X-men down with mutant power nullifiers?

Simply put, the Phoenix (assuming she has cosmic awareness) is the only one who can keep up with the JLA's speed. So it doesn't really matter how powerful the others are, since they will be taken out before their impulses fire.

Or how about this? Green Lantern makes construct mutant power nullifiers. Fight over.

Who is being biased now? I'm not being biased on real. I don't think this fight will be as one sided as people on here tend to think. If Rogue touched Superman long enough, he would die. With out Superman, the JLA is very beatable. Let's call a stone a stone.

[Gimili]

Originally posted by Docker
Who is being biased now? I'm not being biased on real. I don't think this fight will be as one sided as people on here tend to think. If Rogue touched Superman long enough, he would die. With out Superman, the JLA is very beatable. Let's call a stone a stone.

I'm just calling it as I see it. The JLA outclasses anything in Marvel that's not cosmic. That's why the Phoenix is the only threat to be found on your X-lineup.

As the post-Fatal Attractions Magneto and the Silver Surfer have shown, Rogue cannot drain powerful people of much of their
energy without prolonged contact. Meaning that assuming that she can catch any of the JLA powerhouses, which she can't, she cannot drain them of much power before being knocked out.

You don't seem to be comprehending the speed advantage that the JLA have over all the X-men, save the Phoenix. They are moving so fast that they get the first, second, hundredth, and so on attack before the other X-men can even make their first.

[Guyverjay]

Phoenix is the key

[Gimili]

Originally posted by guyverjay
GL doesn't know how to make one of them, Fight back on:)

I'll give you this, but only in a straight-up fight.

[Guyverjay]

According to Marvel the phoenix has the ability to exist in any environment without harm, project force bolts of incalculable power and create force fields. She also possesses the power of telepathy, illusion-casting; her link with the Phoenix force gives her vast psionic ability to manipulate time, space, matter, and energy for virtually any purpose.

and the phoenix force is a manifestation of a primal force of the universe which embodies the concepts of life and passion, especially the passion to create and destroy, and derives its power from the psyches of all living beings in the universe.

That outclasses the JLA from the get go. She would disable all of their brains in an instant then transport them to the middle of the galaxy and watch them suffocate

[krisboyuk]

even with Phoenix the X-Men overall would be out-powered by JLA. The Flash is way faster than phoenix and Supes is stronger. The combination used well with Bats brains and all the other JLA members would be too much even fo phoenix. As for the rest of the X-Men there is little contest apart deom maybe Prof. X frying everyones brains.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by krisboyuk
even with Phoenix the X-Men overall would be out-powered by JLA. The Flash is way faster than phoenix and Supes is stronger. The combination used well with Bats brains and all the other JLA members would be too much even fo phoenix. As for the rest of the X-Men there is little contest apart deom maybe Prof. X frying everyones brains.

The phoenix is a marvel cosmic entity, theres no way on earth the JLA can beat it. What are they going to do punch it to death? What the hell Bats brain going to do a being who's probably almost as old as the universe itself?

It can manipulate time, space,matter and energy on a cosmic scale.

Thats a different league altogether.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by Gimili
I'm just calling it as I see it. The JLA outclasses anything in Marvel that's not cosmic. That's why the Phoenix is the only threat to be found on your X-lineup.

As the post-Fatal Attractions Magneto and the Silver Surfer have shown, Rogue cannot drain powerful people of much of their
energy without prolonged contact. Meaning that assuming that she can catch any of the JLA powerhouses, which she can't, she cannot drain them of much power before being knocked out.

You don't seem to be comprehending the speed advantage that the JLA have over all the X-men, save the Phoenix. They are moving so fast that they get the first, second, hundredth, and so on attack before the other X-men can even make their first.

The only 2 JLA that are fast are the Flash and Superman. Aiight, we'll say those 2 are fighting the Phoenix, a being that has destroyed planets, and the other X-men are fighting the other members.
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman- you know Rogue would get this. They are basically equal in strength but if she touches her, she is through.
Batman vs. Wolverine- very debatable and could go either way so this is blank, even though I think Wolverine would get it.
Professer X vs. Martian Manhunter- You saw what that witch did to his mind on the cartoon right? Xavier would have him crying again!
Hawkgirl vs. Cyclops- no contest
Green Lantern vs. the rest- to many for one man to handle.

now you can't dispute this right here. But you'll come up with some kind of excuse for the JLA to win some way won't you? I have a question though. When is that comic book coming out with the 2 teams teaming up? It has been about a year already, over a year actually. Are they fighting each other or teaming up?

[Guyverjay]

Rogue would NOT take wonder woman.

Wonder Woman is alot stronger and is alot faster and I do mean ALOT faster.
Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with Supes himself.
Rogue would get wasted.

While I do agree that prof X would take out MM,you can't base your decision on the crappy JLA cartoon. That show is a joke.

The only chance the X-men have is phoenix and the prof the rest are a non factor. The JLA are just too powerful.

That said I belive the phoenix could take them out by herself.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Rogue would NOT take wonder woman.

Wonder Woman is alot stronger and is alot faster and I do mean ALOT faster.
Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with Supes himself.
Rogue would get wasted.

While I do agree that prof X would take out MM,you can't base your decision on the crappy JLA cartoon. That show is a joke.

The only chance the X-men have is phoenix and the prof the rest are a non factor. The JLA are just too powerful.

That said I belive the phoenix could take them out by herself.

In other words, the X-men would win. You just answered it yourself.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Docker
In other words, the X-men would win. You just answered it yourself.

Er if you looked at my other posts I've already said the phoenix would wipe them out. I just disagree with the argument you put forward.

Because without the phoenix The X-men would get beat in under a minute.

[Lobo]

You cant go by a cartoon where the Flash cant catch a truck. Superman and Flash are not the only fast ones as statd earlier WW is very fast and I have a JLA comic where the Martian Manhunter reaches a speed of mach12. The JLA wins but they would have to take Jean out first.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Lobo of Krypton
The JLA wins but they would have to take Jean out first.

Precisely why they won't win:D

If the phoenix uses its full power the JLA don't a chance in hell.
All Phoenix has to do is transport the whole JLA into the middle of the Galaxy. There goes 3/4 of the JLA because of lack of oxygen.

JLA woud have their hands full fighting the Silver surfer let alone the Phoenix.

[The Flea]

What up G'S?

[darkdaz]

ok jean suts every member of the jlas minds down x men win the end.

[Docker2.0]

aiight then!! so there you have it!! X-men win! Forget he poll!!

[The Batman]

nah, the poll counts, stop being biased. you started this as a poll, now live with the fact the JLA are winning.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
nah, the poll counts, stop being biased. you started this as a poll, now live with the fact the JLA are winning.

Tha because the N00b's don't even know what the phoenix is capabable of and probably think about the film.

If you were being logical instead of biased you would see that not ONE member of the JLA is a match for the phoenix, plain and simple.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Tha because the N00b's don't even know what the phoenix is capabable of and probably think about the film.

If you were being logical instead of biased you would see that not ONE member of the JLA is a match for the phoenix, plain and simple. Say it again. The Batman didn't hear you.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by The Batman
nah, the poll counts, stop being biased. you started this as a poll, now live with the fact the JLA are winning.

Me being Biased? This is coming from someone who said that Batman could beat everyone in the Marvel universe and said that Professer X couldn't mess with Batman's mind becuase it is to powerful? Give me a break! :rolleyes:

[Guyverjay]

Another famous quote from the Batman is:

"Batman's one title outsells marvels entire line of comics"


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA:D

[The Batman]

Originally posted by Docker
Me being Biased? This is coming from someone who said that Batman could beat everyone in the Marvel universe and said that Professer X couldn't mess with Batman's mind becuase it is to powerful? Give me a break! :rolleyes:


obviously you we'rent paying attention cause i never said that....:rolleyes:

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Another famous quote from the Batman is:

"Batman's one title outsells marvels entire line of comics"


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA:D


you dont read the diamond lists do you?
:rolleyes:


Batman is at the top of the list...beating out all marvel titles...


thought so...:rolleyes:

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Tha because the N00b's don't even know what the phoenix is capabable of and probably think about the film.

If you were being logical instead of biased you would see that not ONE member of the JLA is a match for the phoenix, plain and simple.


alright fine, wanna outmatch people...lets outmatch...



Hal jordan is a member of the JLA...now he's the specte....The Spectre easily beats Phoenix...


there. JLA win. Game.Set.Match....

[Guyverjay]

LOL

I know Batmn has been number 1 a number of months now, I posted the sales figures in another thread.

Your quote says ONE batman title outsells marvels ENTIRE line of comics. If you meant Batman was at number 1:

You should have worded it better.

Why did you even bother anyway?

When I'd already posted the sales figures for the past 4 months which stated that fact, in that very same thread:rolleyes:

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
alright fine, wanna outmatch people...lets outmatch...



Hal jordan is a member of the JLA...now he's the specte....The Spectre easily beats Phoenix...


there. JLA win. Game.Set.Match....

Stop crying like a baby.
I didn't make this thread, I didn't state the teams. Someone else did .The spectre isn't part of the fight and the phoenix is.
Life is hard.

The spectre isn't an active member of the JLA anyway to my knowledge

[The Batman]

phoenix aint either....

[Guyverjay]

Um it says Jean grey WITH THE PHOENIX

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by The Batman
obviously you we'rent paying attention cause i never said that....:rolleyes:

You did say that!! In the thread Batman vs. Marvel universe. You can go and look back becuase it was less than 30 days. I believe it was the DC comic book section. That or Marvel. Don't try to get amnesia now.

[The Batman]

uh..i DID NOT say that. stop trying to make it look like that.

[Docker2.0]

Originally posted by The Batman
uh..i DID NOT say that. stop trying to make it look like that.

If I knew how to post old threads, I would post one just to show you what you said. It is said in plain letters. You can go back and see for yourself. I never forgot the arguement that followed and the defense you gave for how Batman could beat everyone. Go back and see your own words.

[Cnoflow]

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Man this has gotten funny.

First off let me say that yes the JLA does outmatch the x-men in speed, however this doesn't mean anything. They've been superheros long enough and have fought the extremley fast long enough to know how to del with it. They have attack patterns just like the JLA and you have to remember that this isn't going to be a 1 on 1 match. It's team vs. team. That's one of the reaons that the X-men win so many fights. For those of you who read the comics u know that the X-men pride themselves on fighting as a team. I could probaly say the same thing for the JLA too. So it would be an interesting fight, but . . .

I don't care how smart u think batman is he's gonna get his but whipped. . . especially if he goes up against wolverine. Now i'm not a hardcore wolverine fan, frankly i prefer most other x-men over him, but if you think that Batman's precious preptime is gonna help him then you're sadly mistaken.

Remember that they are not going to go head to head. If anything they might go 2 on two and combine their powers.

p.s. the X-men outclass the JLA anyday.

[Varient]

Originally posted by Docker
Who would win? Batman, Wonderwoman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow, and Aquaman as the JLA. Versus Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey(With the Phoenix), Colossus, Bishop, Gambit, and Magneto(he is an unactive member). Who would win? Vote!
I hat to say this with all the pro Marvel fanboys out there,..but facts are facts,..The JLA would stomp the X-men mostly becuase the powers and abilities of it's members are all more powerful than the marvel equivalnts with exception of Aquaman / Namor.
You need the Avengers or the complete Roster of the Defenders to even have a chance.

The Xmen,..While powerful can be easily contained together under the right circumstances, as proof I offer the issue of extreme Xmen where most of the team were held by the "french" government?

In the same,..Under the same circumstances, France would be hard pressed to hold Lantern, ManHunter, or Supes,....let alone Wonder Woman and plastic man.

We really are talking different powerlevels here.

[Varient]

Originally posted by Docker
Are the X-men losing becuase this is a DC board or becuase it is the truth?
Truth.

Seriously consider that the only "DC class characters on the Xmen's team are Rouge ala Extreme Xmen, and "eat stars" version of Jean Gray.
The rest could be taken by Superman or Green lantern or The martian Manhunter by themselves.

IMHO Marvel's heroes follow more closely most of the basic laws of physics as we understand them,...
DC tends to go the "just So" approach to superheroes.

As such a light based creature in DC universe can clean superman's clock becuase all the properties of light are given to the creature with a very high level of power and ease of manipulation,
Where say "Photon" would be lucky to singe his cape becuase Marvel ties in stuff like fatigue and limiting her powers by her own bodymass.

I hope that made sense.
Peace.

[Varient]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Rogue would NOT take wonder woman.

While I do agree that prof X would take out MM,you can't base your decision on the crappy JLA cartoon. That show is a joke.

The only chance the X-men have is phoenix and the prof the rest are a non factor. The JLA are just too powerful.

That said I belive the phoenix could take them out by herself.
I agree.
That cartoon was a joke.

All the heroes are underpowered to make for more interesting adventures,..just Like Xmen "Evolution"

Based on the cartoon,..the Xmen would Whup the JLA.
Based on the comics,.....
Sorry but there is just too much power within the JLA for the xmen to even have a chance,...........

Unless they get first licks.

Peace

[Nathan]

I'm a huge Marvel and X-Men Fan, but I say the JLA would win.

[thanos27]

ok my thoughts ..... wolverine going beserk n not held back by prof. x or any other xman would rip batman to pieces . this man has fought the hulk n wendigo several times and held his own , actually even beating the immortal wendigo . all this even before his training at xaviers danger room n before he was part of the xmen . would batman even have a chance at either of these two ??? i think not ~

second storm would create a fog n storm so thick the clouds would block the sun weakening superman at a high rate ...
magneto would rip into any human with blood ..... robin ... green arrow ...hawkgirl(joke).... prof x would erase their brains at will . we r talking no holding back now . green lantern wouldnt know what hit him . force field or not . n if prof x couldnt reach him phoenix would dig deep into his cerebellum n make him think his own team is the enemy !!!!!!!!!!!!

iceman did we forget abt him ??? well lets say 10,000 razor sharp spikes of ice going a 100 miles an hour at any remaining jla member should cut them down . flash as fast as he is cant run when his brain tells him to freeze frame !! cyclops nightcrawler beast gambit colossus n rogue would be able to take care of any small time jla bums ..green arrow ??(poor mans hawkeye )

phoenix unleashing her full power is on a cosmic level . she has consumed a planet with 4 billion inhabitants . n at no time , unlike galactus who only with help of his machines can speed up this pace . now if we talk dark phoenix she would wipe out the entire jla team with a blink ....as she wiped out the entire team of the imperial guard including gladiator in 1 sec flat .

jla might have speed , but remember speed is nothing when u r against mind control power so intense it can fry your brain cells to a pulp !



hold on ...its me
wait ...how do we know its you ??

your a "richard "!!!

[Cnoflow]

Ya the fight isn't fair with professor X in the mix i'm gonna say that he shouldn't fight cause he could kill everbody at the blink of eye.

[Hulkophile]

Batman, Wonderwoman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow, and Aquaman as the JLA. Versus Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey(With the Phoenix), Colossus, Bishop, Gambit, and Magneto(he is an unactive member). Who would win? Vote!

Okay. So, when you say "Jean Grey (With the Phoenix)", does that mean her current status in the comic or the actual Phoenix Force? If it's the Phoenix Force, the X-Men should have no trouble wrapping up this fight. Currently (haven't bought the recent "New X-Men"), I don't think Jean possess much of the PF. There've been some fire shown, assuming the PF is coming back to her, but I haven't seen much from her to consider her an extreme threat in this fight. I just don't see JLA having too much trouble.

When it comes to strength, JLA mops the floor spit-shine with the X-Men. Magneto would be the X-Men's only hope, but I think Supes, MM, Flash, and Green Lantern should be able to break through most, if not all, the defense Mags puts up. I just don't see the X-Men beating this JLA team UNLESS Jean possess the Phoenix Force at its full potential.

[Rakkasei]

ONE member of the x-men could get rid of quite a few jla members by herself.... Strom calls thunder... thunder strikes BOOM! no more flash, no more batman, most probably a very hurt hawkgirl, and the others would be affected too... and i don't know whether or not ww is physucally stronger than Rogue, but rogue still has her absorbsion power and the way WW dresses... Rogue won't have any trouble touching her skin... plus if Rogue has the powers she has in the comics before she temporarily lost them, she could probably take on the whole jla by herself... as Rogue could use the powers of anyone she ever touched in the past SIMULTANEOUSLY!

i agree that many x-men could get wiped out... wolverine, cyclops, shadowcat, jubilee, iceman... but 4 x-men could take the jla by themselves...

Prof X
Jean Grey as Pheonix 3
Storm
Rogue...

the jla may be powerful, but they can't do all that much agains those... Prof X and Jean mentally stops those they can, Ororo fries them and Rogue takes care of those left unharmed by the lightning or those not too badly hurt...

[Hulkophile]

Against that X-team, sure. But I doubt loud booms of thunder will do much other than deafen a few people. I'm sure lightning would have more effect :p.

The X-Men's only hope would be a suped up Jean and Xavier. Without them, JLA walks right over them.

[Varient]

Originally posted by Rakkasei
ONE member of the x-men could get rid of quite a few jla members by herself.... Strom calls thunder... thunder strikes BOOM! no more flash, no more batman, most probably a very hurt hawkgirl, and the others would be affected too...

STOP:
You going by that silly cartoon ain't you?

Storm would get one shot at the lightning trick and would miss the flash,..If he can dodge that mess from the weather wizard,..howcum Storm can catch him with it?

and i don't know whether or not ww is physucally stronger than Rogue, but rogue still has her absorbsion power and the way WW dresses... Rogue won't have any trouble touching her skin... plus if Rogue has the powers she has in the comics before she temporarily lost them, she could probably take on the whole jla by herself... as Rogue could use the powers of anyone she ever touched in the past SIMULTANEOUSLY!

She doesn't but lets say she does. Doesn't her absorbtion powers as far as powers are concerned limited to powers are "natural?"
Wonder Woman to be brutal was "Clay brought to Life by Godlike levels of Magic,..the Ultimate Golem. I've yet to see Rogue absorb "magical" powers or powers based on magic.
Even with everybody she's touched Dianas the better fighter.

i agree that many x-men could get wiped out... wolverine, cyclops, shadowcat, jubilee, iceman... but 4 x-men could take the jla by themselves...

Prof X
Superman has resisted Gorilla Grodd and Hank Hammond, (Brainwave) telepaths who have taken control of CITIES. The Martian Manhunter is an Active Telepath who can serve as a conduit for the team in a fight,..Professor X is out of practice.

Jean Grey as Pheonix 3
Only with Prep time - given the nature of the threat the three fastests in the JLA woiuld probaly have her down before she goes there.

Storm
Rogue...
Covered above.

the jla may be powerful, but they can't do all that much agains those... Prof X and Jean mentally stops those they can, Ororo fries them and Rogue takes care of those left unharmed by the lightning or those not too badly hurt...


(Chuckle)

[Outsiderzedge]

Originally posted by Captain America
Wow, this is would be one hell of a Brawl. Here's the best I could match them up.

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops
Wolverine vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman = Rogue
Storm vs. Hawkgirl = Storm
Jean Grey (Phoenix) vs. Martian Manhunter = Jean Grey
Colossus vs. Superman = Superman
Bishop vs. The Flash = The Flash
Gambit vs. Green Arrow = Gambit
Magneto vs. Green Lantern = Green Lantern

Round 2
Cyclops vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. The Flash = The Flash
Storm/Gambit vs. Superman = Superman
Jean Grey vs. Green Lantern = Jean Grey

Round 3
Batman/The Flash/Superman vs. Jean Grey = JLA

Sorry I didn't give any good explanations, i'm tired and don't feel like typing out Paragraphs.

First of all , I dont think 2 groups of people who make a habit of fighting together would suddenly start pairing off and fighting 1 on 1 instead of in a group but... How about this:

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops
Wolverine vs. Batman = No one - both survive the round
Colossus vs. Wonder Woman = Wonder Woman
Storm vs. Hawkgirl = Storm
Jean Grey (Phoenix) vs. Superman = Jean Grey
Rogue (w/Miss Marvel's powers) vs. Martian Manhunter = Rogue
Bishop vs. The Flash = The Flash
Gambit vs. Green Arrow = Gambit
Magneto vs. Green Lantern = Green Lantern

Round 2
Jean Grey (Phoenix) vs. Green Lantern = Jean Grey
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman = Rogue
Storm/Cyclops/Gambit vs. The Flash = Storm
Wolverine vs. Batman = No one - both survive the round

Round 3
Jean Grey/Rogue/Storm/Wolverine vs. Batman = Batman (after staying out of Wolverine's reach and observing the other fights, gains an insight on how to defeat the X-men and does so. Afterall , its all about prep time and thats what Round 1 and 2 gave him...)

I guess JLA wins any way you slice it... :(

[Outsiderzedge]

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops
Wolverine vs. Batman = No one - both survive the round
Colossus vs. Wonder Woman = Wonder Woman
Storm vs. Hawkgirl = Storm
Prof X (in mental practice) vs. Superman = Prof X
Rogue (w/Miss Marvel's powers) vs. Martian Manhunter = Rogue
Quicksilver (called in by his daddy) vs. The Flash = Quicksilver
Iceman vs. Green Arrow = Iceman
Magneto vs. Green Lantern = No one - both survive the round

Round 2
Prof X & Magneto vs. Green Lantern = Prof X & Magneto
Rogue/Storm/Cyclops/Iceman/Quicksilver vs. Wonder Woman = Rogue/Storm/Cyclops/Iceman/Quicksilver
Wolverine vs. Batman = No one - both survive the round

Round 3
Prof X/Magneto/Rogue/Storm/Cyclops/Iceman/Quicksilver/Wolverine vs. Batman = X-men yay!

[Thing]

voted X-Men because I think they could take any of the JLA characters other than Superman, but Professor X got him.

[The Batman]

I just thought of Something.....Proffeser X dosent count. unless hes in combat everytime the X-Men fight somebody, he's out. Trying to cheat, eh?

[The Batman]

and plus...Superman would just blow him out of his wheelchair before he can blink. Superman does have Super-speed, and Professor X can NOT think at the speed of light.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
I just thought of Something.....Proffeser X dosent count. unless hes in combat everytime the X-Men fight somebody, he's out. Trying to cheat, eh?

Stop being foolish

[Cnoflow]

That's true he can only think at the speed of Mach 3. Supes got him there.

[The Batman]

Superman would blow him away...or Flash would take him out...or Martian Manhunter would block his telepathy, not for long, but long enough for Flash to take him out in a blink of an eye....

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
Superman would blow him away...or Flash would take him out...or Martian Manhunter would block his telepathy, not for long, but long enough for Flash to take him out in a blink of an eye....

Sure he would :rolleyes:

Because Prox X actually has to be on the battlefield in his wheel chair to use his powers:rolleyes:

Martian manhunter blocking his power??? please don't make me laugh

What are they giong to against the phoenix? a COSMIC level telepath??

One word: NOTHING

[The Batman]

easy: Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter. All whove gone against threats much worse than Phenix.

Dont underestimate Post-Crisis Superman. He wrestled a friggin Angel for god sakes....


JLA still wins.

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Sure he would :rolleyes:

Because Prox X actually has to be on the battlefield in his wheel chair to use his powers:rolleyes:

Martian manhunter blocking his power??? please don't make me laugh

What are they giong to against the phoenix? a COSMIC level telepath??

One word: NOTHING

and for one thing, you dont know how strong MM's telpathy is...and plus, i said TEMPORARILY

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
easy: Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter. All whove gone against threats much worse than Phenix.

Dont underestimate Post-Crisis Superman. He wrestled a friggin Angel for god sakes....


JLA still wins.

OOOhhh an angel:rolleyes:

Physical strength won't help against the phoenix, do some home work on the Phoenix force and then come back

[The Batman]

do some homework on some DC heroes and come back....


dont tell me anything about homework, i was around to actully READ the Dark Phoenix saga while you werent even born yet.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
do some homework on some DC heroes and come back....


dont tell me anything about homework, i was around to actully READ the Dark Phoenix saga while you werent even born yet.

Yeah mate:rolleyes:

You're so stupid Batman , no wonder everyone thinks you suck

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Yeah mate:rolleyes:

You're so stupid Batman , no wonder everyone thinks you suck

wow, how mature. clearly, you've lost the argument, so now you're resorting to name calling. :rolleyes: how old are you?

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
wow, how mature. clearly, you've lost the argument, so now you're resorting to name calling. :rolleyes: how old are you?

Well you should know after all You apparantly read the dark phoneix saga before I was born


And don't give me that resort to name calling rubbsh. Hypocrite.

I've seen your mom insulting profanity numerous times just becasue someone insults a fictional character.


Now thats pathetic

Ps its hardly an insult if its true, everyone does think you suck bye:)

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Well you should know after all You apparantly read the dark phoneix saga before I was born


And don't give me that resort to name calling rubbsh. Hypocrite.

I've seen your mom insulting profanity numerous times just becasue someone insults a fictional character.


Now thats pathetic

no my friend, you're pathetic.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
no my friend, you're pathetic.

Hahaha

Thats the best you could come up with??

The truth hurts huh?:D

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Hahaha

Thats the best you could come up with??

The truth hurts huh?:D

no, I'm just not stooping down to your pathetic level....

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
no, I'm just not stooping down to your pathetic level....

LOL

Anybody that can read knows the level you stoop to regularly:D

Example

Poster A: I think Batman sucks

The Batman: Oh yeah? Well you mom is **** **** **** **** *****

As I said Pathetic, You haven't even bothered to deny it because you can't.

Its all true so stop trying to argue it makes you look even worse.:D

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
LOL

Anybody that can read knows the level you stoop to regularly:D

Example

Poster A: I think Batman sucks

The Batman: Oh yeah? Well you mom is **** **** **** **** *****

As I said Pathetic, You haven't even bothered to deny it because you can't.

Its all true so stop trying to argue it makes you look even worse.:D


worse? worse? first off, i dont even mention their mom, you twit, second of all, i just roll my eyes. stop exagerating things. :rolleyes:

[Outsiderzedge]

Originally posted by The Batman
I just thought of Something.....Proffeser X dosent count. unless hes in combat everytime the X-Men fight somebody, he's out. Trying to cheat, eh?

Ok ok , the X-men cant win this one. What about the FF4...

Round 1
Invisible Woman (as Malice) vs. The Flash/Superman/Green Lantern = Malice (suffocates them all while she stays safe behind an invisible shield)
Human Torch (w/ Nova Blast attack(s)) vs. Martian Manhunter/Hawkgirl = Torch
The Thing vs. Wonder Woman = The Thing
Mr. Fantastic (w/ gadgets) vs. Batman/Green Arrow = Mr. F

No Round 2. :p

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
worse? worse? first off, i dont even mention their mom, you twit, second of all, i just roll my eyes. stop exagerating things. :rolleyes:

Exaggerating am I?

What about this quote by YOU
"your sad cause i ****ed your mom

and i aint no frekin prep time to do it..."

Which came from this thread
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56031&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

In which you swear in just about every post you made

:D

[The Batman]

Originally posted by Outsiderzedge
Ok ok , the X-men cant win this one. What about the FF4...

Round 1
Invisible Woman (as Malice) vs. The Flash/Superman/Green Lantern = Malice (suffocates them all while she stays safe behind an invisible shield)
Human Torch (w/ Nova Blast attack(s)) vs. Martian Manhunter/Hawkgirl = Torch
The Thing vs. Wonder Woman = The Thing
Mr. Fantastic (w/ gadgets) vs. Batman/Green Arrow = Mr. F

No Round 2. :p


whats sad is that you have almost everybody even more superpowered than they usually are.


lets put in GL as ION, Pre-crisis Superman,and Wonder Woman when she was a God. there.

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Exaggerating am I?

What about this quote by YOU
"your sad cause i ****ed your mom

and i aint no frekin prep time to do it..."

Which came from this thread
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56031&perpage=25&pagenumber=2

In which you swear in just about every post you made

:D


it wasnt even about batman. it was the fact that people were gonna ask the mods to force it on me as a sick joke


thats what i pretty much thought...

[Outsiderzedge]

Originally posted by The Batman
whats sad is that you have almost everybody even more superpowered than they usually are.


lets put in GL as ION, Pre-crisis Superman,and Wonder Woman when she was a God. there.

Well... the FF4 are outnumbered. Gotta give them something...

[The Batman]

nope, cant. JLA win.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
it wasnt even about batman. it was the fact that people were gonna ask the mods to force it on me as a sick joke


thats what i pretty much thought...

Maybe so but if you used your brain (even you must have one) you would have seen that it was a joke and the mods were never gong to do that to you. Instead you took it soooooooo seriously and began insulting everyone and their mothers.

It was about Batman. Because it was the fact that it was a Batman kissing robin avatar that riled you up so badly. Still it was no excuse for some of the things you said.

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Maybe so but if you used your brain (even you must have one) you would have seen that it was a joke and the mods were never gong to do that to you. Instead you took it soooooooo seriously and began insulting everyone and their mothers.

It was about Batman because it the fact that it was Batman kissing robin avatar that riled you up so badly. Still it was no excue for some of the things you said.

wow, you didnt think i knew it was about batman? :rolleyes:

[The Batman]

and people wanting me to have Pedophilia as my Avatar did anger me...

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
wow, you didnt think i knew it was about batman? :rolleyes:

LOL:D

You said in your previous post that it WASN'T about Batman and now you're being sarcastic saying you knew it was all along

:rolleyes:

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
LOL:D

You said in your previous post that it WASN'T about Batman and now you're being sarcastic saying you knew it was all along

:rolleyes:


no, i said i wasnt angry because it was a batman picture. :rolleyes:

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
no, i said i wasnt angry because it was a batman picture. :rolleyes:

Thats not what your sentence says.:rolleyes:

Face it you lost it because people were saying bats was gay, that was the real problem.

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Thats not what your sentence says.:rolleyes:

Face it you lost it because people were saying bats was gay, that was the real problem.

Face it,you're an idiot who cant read very well...

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
Face it,you're an idiot who cant read very well...

LOL:D

I've already proven my point so by all means carry on posting.

I've been having trouble sleeping lately and I think your posts might just be the answer.

You embarass your name sake:D

[The Batman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
LOL:D

I've already proven my point so by all means carry on posting.

I've been having trouble sleeping lately and I think your posts might just be the answer.

You embarass your name sake:D

wow, like you and your spider-brethern dont run spideys name into the ground with your worship. do us a favor and go watch your precious DBZ crap.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by The Batman
wow, like you and your spider-brethern dont run spideys name into the ground with your worship. do us a favor and go watch your precious DBZ crap.

DBZ crap:D

Nice one.

I'm getting drowsy now, keep it up:)

[Phily]

that would be one hell of a fight !!!
I think JLA would eventually win. JLA just has wayyy too many power houses !!

wait aren't they coming out with
JLA vs the Avengers pretty soon!!?!?!?!?!?!?

i cant' wait till they come out with that :D


I say they should actually come out with JLA vs all the other marvel teams
like Fantastic Four, X men, and the others.
Where JLA will slowly take out each and every Marvel group.
That would be crazy !!

[Varient]

Originally posted by Phily
I say they should actually come out with JLA vs all the other marvel teams
like Fantastic Four, X men, and the others.
Where JLA will slowly take out each and every Marvel group.
That would be crazy !!
Hmph
depending on first licks,...(And I'm a JLA fan.),
The Defenders can beat the JLA.
The X-men wit' de superpowered fem's JeanGrey, Rogue, Lifeguard, Lorna Dane, and White Queen, could beat the JLA.

The Avengers? Eehh,... even with first licks it would be "iffy" for them to beat them.

Every other marvel super team,..I agree,...Toast.


How about New Warriors versus the New Teen Titans?

[Thanos]

Originally posted by Varient
Every other marvel super team,..I agree,...Toast.

I doubt the JLA could defeat Warlock and the Infinity Watch. Thanos alone could probably beat the JLA.

[Lackey]

Interesting thread... I just came in here for the first time. :)

[Tony Stark]

If Jean Gray had her Phoenix power, and you're adding Magneto then the X-men would take them. You wouldn't even need any of the other members.

Take those two out, and probably JLA would win.

Although Logan would kill Auqaman and Green Arrow in a heartbeat.

[Lackey]

why would a villain be added? If you add Magneto, then why not start adding JLA villains?

Also, I think GL is being underestimated here.

[Tony Stark]

Magneto isn't really a villian, he's fought with and against Xavier.

GL is vulnerable to phychic attacks from Phoenix, and she could use her telekenesis to remove his ring, then it's game over.

[TheCorpulent1]

GL's being thought of just fine given the way he's written in his own title. Kyle doesn't even begin to use the ring to its full potential. You'd think an artist would be more creative. :o

Anyway, Magneto had a brief stint where he joined the X-Men and led the New Mutants. Outside of that, instances of his working with the X-Men have been rare while instances of his fighting with the X-Men as if they were the bitterest of rivals have been very, very many. Last I checked, Wolverine never gutted anyone he'd consider a friend on purpose, and that's how the last Magneto arc ended. I think it's safe to assume he's considered a villain.

[Lackey]

Originally posted by Tony Stark
and she could use her telekenesis to remove his ring, then it's game over.


GL could control his ring no matter where it is, he doesn't need to have it on.

[thanos27]

POWER OF A GOD .....PHOENIX RAW POWER TO OBLITERATE TH ENTIRE UNIVERSE , NUFF SAID ...
MAGNETO AND PROFESSOR X TOGETHER WOULD WIPE OUT HALF THE TEAM ALONE . NOT TO MENTION ROGUE WOLVIE COLOSSUS ETC ETC

[Tony Stark]

I agree Thanos, Phoenix could wipe out the whole lot, by herself. As a matter of fact Dark Phoenix did destroy the entire Marvel Universe in a "What If..." book.

If this were the original X-men team, without Proffesor X, they'd get their butts kicked. Although those early teenage X-men held their own against the Avengers in an early episode.

Bottom line Phoenix + Magneto = BYE BYE JLA!!!

[thanos27]

WHEN U HAVE PHOENIX WHOS POWER DID RIVAL GALACTUS'S POWER BELIEVE IT OR NOT ....SHE HAD ENOUGH RAW POWER TO CONSUME GALAXIES , AND EVENTUALLY THE UNIVERSE . GALACTUS EVEN WHEN HE CONSUMES PLANETS FOR ENERGY HAS TO TAKE TIME TO DO SO , OR USE HIS MACHINES TO SPEED THE PROCESS UP .PHOENIX DIDNT WORK THAT SLOW . PHOENIX AT A SNAP OF THE FINGER TOSSED AROUND THE ENTIRE SHIAR IMPERIAL GUARD , INCLUDING GLADIATOR ( WHO IS MARVELS SUPERMAN)
U THINK SHE CAN DO THE SAME TO SUPERMAN HIMSELF ? WHAT U THINK ?HMMMMMMMMMM YES

ALONG WITH PROFESSOR X AND MAGNETO , ESP MAGS PROTECTING PROF X WHILE HE DOES HIS MIND CONTROL WORK , IT WOULDNT B TOO HARD TO HIT THE BIG JLA HITTERS FIRST . WIPE OUT FLASH N WITH SUPES DOWN U HAVE THE SPEED CUT DOWN BIG TIME . WOLVERINE GAMBIT ICEMAN ROGUE COLOSSUS FOR CLEAN UP . THE XMEN TEAM CAN DEF WIN THIS ONE ..... OF COURSE ITS WHO STRIKES WHO FIRST .
IF JLA CAN GET FLASH TO HIT PROF X IN THE HEAD WITH A BRICK BEFORE ANYONE CAN PROTECT HIM THEN MAYBE THEY DO HAVE A CHANCE ...BUT ILL PICK THE XMEN CUZ OF RAW MIND CONTROL N GODLIKE COSMIC POWER . BOTH OF WHICH JLA DOES NOT HAVE .

[Outsiderzedge]

thanos27 , please look at your keyboard , see that button that with the letter "A" , now press the button to the left. Thank you.

[thanos27]

OUTSIDERZ GET A LIFE LOSER EITHER HAVE SOEMTHING TO CONTRIBUTE OR DONT SAY NOTHING PUNK

[Thanos]

Originally posted by thanos27
OUTSIDERZ GET A LIFE LOSER EITHER HAVE SOEMTHING TO CONTRIBUTE OR DONT SAY NOTHING PUNK

Wow, those are some pretty strong words. But I guess that can be expected from the 27th Clone of the original Thanos. :)

I think the point Outsiderz was getting at, is that it is HARD to read your post when it's written in all CAPITAL LETTERS.

[Rob Lobo]

i'd say , JLA would win if they also include both all inactive & resigned member in both party.

most people think that GL kyle would be easily beaten down, but the fact is - i'm sorry to say , he could defeated & prevent himself from telepathic power coz the rings he wear is not those crappy kinds but the powerfull weapon in the universe.for kyle , he always have a chance to defeat phoenix or magneto of prof. x
coz he can protect telephatic powers by using his ring as a shield and as for magneto , all he can took from gl is his mask coz his mask coz his mask is a metal plate but not his power and for sure gl kyle is not that easily to be defeated is not just because he's gl but a creative artist who can imagined how to survive.

i guess no one mention about J'onn J'onnz,i say he's a martian and also have the psychic ability, but don't look down on this guy coz he's ain't a human & he's maybe even stronger than anyone would expect.

batman fighting wolvie, batman got the chance to beat him down coz in this match is not just about skills but also about brains & brauns (sorry if the spelling is wrong). if battie knows wolvie is coming, he would win but , there's a but , wolvie is unpredictable. i say this match would be a draw match.

about aquaman, it's hard to give an explaination coz i don't have the source for the guy, but flash, his speed is strenght but i don't know about his mind.

to know more about gl abilities, just go search for one.

[Tony Stark]

as for magneto , all he can took from gl is his mask coz his mask coz his mask is a metal plate but not his power

Kyle is human and therefore requires oxygen. Magneto could shutoff the blood supply to his head through the iron in his blood.

[TheCorpulent1]

Can't Kyle's ring negate Magneto's power, though? He puts up a forcefield around himself to survive in space with the ring, so wouldn't that protect him from Magneto's powers, too?

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Can't Kyle's ring negate Magneto's power, though? He puts up a forcefield around himself to survive in space with the ring, so wouldn't that protect him from Magneto's powers, too?

Probably, though I think mags would use GL's own mask to crush his skull:D

[Lackey]

Kyle's mask isn't that big crab metal one anymore, and it's generated by his ring anyway.

Professor X would not be able to control the Flash because his mind is too fast for him. This is why Flash can stand against telepaths like Gorilla Grodd.
Not too long ago, the Thinker took over Wally's mind and Wally overloaded him.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Lackey
Kyle's mask isn't that big crab metal one anymore, and it's generated by his ring anyway.

Professor X would not be able to control the Flash because his mind is too fast for him. This is why Flash can stand against telepaths like Gorilla Grodd.
Not too long ago, the Thinker took over Wally's mind and Wally overloaded him.

He wouldn't have to control it, he would just shut it down:o

[Marvin]

Now you've done it.

(Without preptime.)

Why do we encounter phoenix, and not just jean grey. That seems kinda stupid.
Why don't we also consider, GreenLantern as ION (haha), or WonderWoman as a godess, or Superman a la conclusion to our worlds at war?

I think everyone is forgetting J'onn, his telepathic ability is atleast in Prof X's class.
Terror in Cognita anyone? Why is it only white martians are so stong while martian manhunter is never mentioned.
I'm guessing J'onn could do it by himself.

Maybe GL could trap everyone in a huge bubble and Supes could throw it into the sun before anyone blinks.

Ever see a sholin monk take out a big guy with swords, well thats Bats on Wolverine. Not to mention the gadgets.

With three superspeedsters on the team, it would be interesting.

Iceman vs GL would also be interesting.

wonderwoman vs rogue (who can't steal magical powers)

just consider it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Marvin
Why do we encounter phoenix, and not just jean grey. That seems kinda stupid.
Why don't we also consider, GreenLantern as ION (haha), or WonderWoman as a godess, or Superman a la conclusion to our worlds at war?
Maybe because . . . those were all previous incarnations of those characters that are now done and gone, whereas the Phoenix Force has been showing itself more and more in Jean lately? Just a thought . . .
wonderwoman vs rogue (who can't steal magical powers)
Hmm, that's interesting. I've never thought of whether or not Rogue could absorb the powers of someone whose power source is magic. I don't know whether she can or not . . . Hopefully someone else here has a theory.

[thanos27]

MAGNETO WOULD CRUSH GREEN LANTERNS LUNGS IN WHILE DEPELETING THEM OF OXYGEN. PHOENIX WOULD RIP INTO SUPERMAN HARD SHOWING NO MERCY LIKE SHE DID TO THE ENTIRE IMPERIAL GUARD INCLUDING GLADIATOR , WHIPING THEM OUT IN A SECOND . PROF X WOULD TAKE OUT MARTIAN MANHUNTER , N U GOT YOUR TOP 3 BIG GUNS DOWN . FLASH WOULD B THE HARDEST TO HIT NEXT . IF PROF X CAN TAKE HIM OUT FIRST IM SURE HE WOULD . OR MAYBE PHOENIX WOULD JUST TELEPORT HIM TO SPACE WHERE HE WOULD CROAK LIKE A FISH OUT OF WATER . MIND CONTROL RULES OVER SPEED

[Marvin]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Maybe because . . . those were all previous incarnations of those characters that are now done and gone, whereas the Phoenix Force has been showing itself more and more in Jean lately? Just a thought . . .

Hmm, that's interesting. I've never thought of whether or not Rogue could absorb the powers of someone whose power source is magic. I don't know whether she can or not . . . Hopefully someone else here has a theory.

If jean is as strong as "Ion" (Ion is stronger), why does the X-men comic still work? How do they even have revalent villians?
Enough with this pheonix crap. Unless your ready to fight the JLA at their peek.

Manhunter could wipe out the X-men.
So could Supes, consider he went full out with all his powers.
Flash could ***** slap them all 20 times before a pico second passed.

Who on the X-men could physically hurt Superman?

[Lackey]

Originally posted by Marvin
If jean is as strong as "Ion" (Ion is stronger), why does the X-men comic still work? How do they even have revalent villians?



I'm wondering that too. I'm sure she has the "potential" to be very powerful, but I don't think she's always at peak. I know the last two times she has appeared in Uncanny, she was taken care of very easily.
But all I read is Uncanny, so I don't know about the other one's... if someone who does can answer the questions above?


And no sense in bringing Ion into this debate since he could take care of every Marvel superhero there is, X-Men or not, in the blink of an eye... yes, even the great Phoenix.

This battle would certainly be more interesting than JLA versus Avengers, I think.
...and if the JLA have a fault, it would be that they would try to talk things out at first and not use deadly force.

If the JLA had no regard for the X-men's lives, then they would definitely win... but that's not the JLA :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I only started reading New X-Men a few months ago, but in the time I've been reading, Emma Frost was shattered into a bunch of tiny pieces while in her new diamond form. Beast managed to collect most, if not all, of the pieces and was about to start trying to piece her back together when Jean sensed something in the pieces and managed to not only rearrange the pieces into Emma's cohesive, whole body again, but animate the body enough for Emma to scream the name of her "killer" before collapsing again. I'm not sure how extensive the damage really was to Emma or if she would've reawakened on her own if Beast had fit the pieces together correctly, but that's the most impressive thing I've seen Jean do with her returning Phoenix power. I don't think she's anywhere near as strong as the original Phoenix was, though.

Lackey: Are you implying that the X-Men would enter into the conflict with a "kill first, ask questions later" mentality? Because if so, I think you're confusing Wolverine with the entire team. He's a minority and neither Cyclops nor Nightcrawler (the current leaders of the X-Men) would allow someone to just hop in there and kill an enemy in cold blood, unless the enemy posed so great an immediate threat that there was no other option, as in the case of their last fight with Magneto.

[Superman]

JLA:)

[Scruffie]

Can't Phoenix just shut down their brains, or something?

[Marvin]

Again with the Pheonix. Still if you must have it that way.

The JLA have four people who can operate on a higher speed than the human eye can see.

forgetting Martain Manhunters physical capabilities, he is well capable of offensive as well as defensive Mental powers. On a wide scale.

GL is a monster onto himself. Ice man is his only competition. That's not saying a whole lot.

Batman needs no introduction. Let's just say all he needs to do is stand aside and observe the confrontation for a few minutes and Then end the fight.

[IcemanX]

You know the JLA is actually just some elite group of DC's best superheros. So forget the X-Men, put togehter Marvels elite group: Spider-man, Hulk, Daredevil, Thor, just to name a few and some of the X-Men. There's alot more powerful mutants that were, or still on and off, X-Men. Bottom line if you'd pick an Marvel elite team such as DC's JLA, then this would be a BETTER topic of disscussion.

Oh yeah, two things:
Wolvie would kick Batman's ass no two ways about it!
and what about Iceman?!? Psylocke?!? Storm?!? etc?!?

[Lackey]

Firestorm is part of the JLA, it's a shame he hasn't been brought up... he could do some serious damage. :)

[Marvin]

This isn't DC vs Marvel.

It's the JLA vs the X-Men.

Storm would be pretty menacing. Not that any one of the JLA couldn't take her out.

[Lackey]

Originally posted by Lackey
Firestorm is part of the JLA, it's a shame he hasn't been brought up... he could do some serious damage. :)


Also, some other current members such as Manitou and Faith... extremely powerful characters that have been left out.


and there's also the Atom and Major Disaster.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hey Lackey, who is Faith? I read through the entire Obsidian Age storyline (mostly for Nightwing) and another story arc, but I have absolutely no idea who Faith is, where she came from, or what her powers are. Could you help me out, please?

[thanos27]

xmen with mags prof x phoenix and a now superpowerfull iceman the xmen have a much better chance then non believers think

[Lackey]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Hey Lackey, who is Faith? I read through the entire Obsidian Age storyline (mostly for Nightwing) and another story arc, but I have absolutely no idea who Faith is, where she came from, or what her powers are. Could you help me out, please?

She's one of the most powerful telekinetics in the world and has the ability to make people trust her (have "faith" in her)
She took down an entire alien armada in one single blast.

Other than that, much of her background is still a secret.

She was working in some Black Ops government team when Batman met her, and that's when he decided she'd make a good member of the JLA should they ever need her.

The source of her powers and the rest of her origin is still a mystery.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ok, thanks. I liked her in the Obsidian Age arc. I should've figured she had some kind of trust-inducing ability, given the fact that Batman actually opened up to her about how proud he was of Nightwing.

[thanos27]

ID LIKE TO SEE IF ICEMAN CAN FREEZE UP THE BLOOD IN SUPERMANS BRAIN , OR MAYBE SUPERMAN WONDERWOMAN TOGETHER THEREFOR TAKING OUT THE BIG GUNS . ICEMAN HAS SO MUCH RAW POWER HE HAS EVEN BEEN KNOWN TO FREEZE FROST GIANTS , THE ONES THOR FOUGHT

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by thanos27
ID LIKE TO SEE IF ICEMAN CAN FREEZE UP THE BLOOD IN SUPERMANS BRAIN , OR MAYBE SUPERMAN WONDERWOMAN TOGETHER THEREFOR TAKING OUT THE BIG GUNS . ICEMAN HAS SO MUCH RAW POWER HE HAS EVEN BEEN KNOWN TO FREEZE FROST GIANTS , THE ONES THOR FOUGHT

Supes can survive in the vacuum of space as far as I know he is immune to even the lowest temps . So that woudn't really work

[thanos27]

well the new superman they way they have him now he needs to breathe . in space he would eventually need a space suit . sound s gay for superman doesnt it ? i agree but that how it is now . he needs to breathe n rest . so iceman might be able to freeze his bloodcells .

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes the basic need for respiration that almost all organisms share is very gay for Superman to not be exempt from. :rolleyes:

[thanos27]

funny how marvels gladiator who is almost a superman clone to the wire never needs to breath or eat or sleep

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by thanos27
funny how marvels gladiator who is almost a superman clone to the wire never needs to breath or eat or sleep
Yeah, but Gladiator's entire race is made that way. His powers are tied to confidence, not to a specific solar color. Suppose Superman's flying around space with no protection and all of a sudden comes upon a red sun? Bye bye, Clark.

[Marvin]

People say Superman is too powerfull.

But he still breaths, eats and ages.

He does have a beating heart.


He's more human than Wolverine in some ways.
Even though he does have his own healing factor.

[roach]

First up Rogue can absorb magic...just look to Fall of the Mutants when she absorbed the Adversary's magic.
The X-Men line up was pretty stupid. Having Phoenix and Magneto on the team really negates the need for the others. A better line up would have been the Blue/Gold team verses JLA.
Cyclopes,Wolverine,Psylocke,Gambit,Rogue,Bishop,Be ast,Storm,Forge,Archangel,Iceman,Jean Grey,Colossus and Professor X verses
Superman, Batman, Wonderwoman,Flash,Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman....let the fight begin

[The Hill]

on this Batman/Wolverine thing: I believe Bats can hold his own in combat vs Logan, I recal Wolverine's first fight with Lord Singen. Singen (a normal human) beat the crap outta him with a freakin Bokken (wooden sword) first Singen used srong poisons to weaken the healing factor then he attacked Wolverine's nerve clusters and pressure points. Wolverine had his ass handed to him and was tossed on the street. Who's to say Batman can't do the very same?

[PrinceMyshkin]

I say JLA, but the truth is...I hate the team.

Not individually, it just never made any sense. The characters are so different, there is no common tie other than, They're Superheroes! Come on. Drop the team. It's rediculous.

The X-Men make sense. They do what they do because they are linked by something other than superpowers. They share the same fate.

Besides, Bats and Supes would cream the lot of them.

[TheCorpulent1]

A team of heroes who decide they can do more good together than they can separately makes no sense? Geez, you should write off the Avengers, the Defenders, the Champions, the Squadron Supreme, the JSA, and just about every other team except the Fantastic Four while you're at it, then . . .

[PrinceMyshkin]

OK. I write off the Avengers, the Champions, the Squadron Supreme, the JSA...and the Fantastic Four, for good measure.

[CFE]

I can't wait to see the REAL outcome (2004's JLA/AVENGERS) I've already seen several panels showing the awesome fight between Batman and Captain America!! Totally Kick-@$$!!

[Rob Lobo]

x-men vs jla

beast vs vixen
storm vs power girl
marvel girl vs wonder woman
magneto vs superman (magnetic man vs man of steel)
cyclops vs green lantern
prof x vs jonn jonnz
nightcrawler vs creeper (don't know he's jla or not)
wolverine vs batman
rouge vs plasticman (he's plastic, i guess it's hard to absorb his power)
iceman vs warrior (i don't know whether is a jla or not)
archangel vs hawkman
the rest like gambit,aquaman,flash doesn't have a perfect match for a moment but i know a great match would be
rouge vs plasticman - why? coz' he's plastic all she can from him is synthetic
and
storm vs power girl strom is strong but power girl is the alternate supergirl from earth 2 i guess (it's mention on Crisis)

[Wo|verine]

WOW what a brawl this would be.. the comics should write THIS as another cross-over.. hehe!! i love superhero brawls :) anyways i voted X-men cause well.. i like em.. not to say i dont like JLA, i do but deep down i think it would be a close call with last man standing or a JLA win :/

[ASM #129]

I'm with ya wolvy, it would be awesome! And I vote for the X-MEN as well!

[Wo|verine]

the more brawls the better.. itll put villains outa business ..... wait wait... why not throw villains into the mix!!!

[Marvin]

Amazo.

[Marvin]

Mageddon.

[Marvin]

White Martians.

[Marvin]

Honestly, if the JLA ever went up against the Shi'ar, what do you think would happen.

[Mr Sinister]

Batman would never win Wolverine.. He'd be in one pound slices soon. :D

[Rob Lobo]

just imagine , magneto vs superman, they both will look gay if magneto pull superman to him (hahahaha) batman vs wolvie, i love both character but its hard to know who will win at the end.

[Marvin]

JLA vs the Sentinels. hahhahah

[HuyLantern]

If you read DC/Marvel Access #3, batman nearly takes the whole team himself, untill stupid Bishop shoots him with his gun. This goes on for a while too.

[Wo|verine]

wonder woman V jean :)

[Generation Lee]

As much as I think Batman could kick anyones ass I have to say The X-Men

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure the JLA would take the X-Men. Spider-Man kicked the X-Men's collective ass during the Secret Wars by himself. :o

[Guyverjay]

Without Phoenix (the entity I'm talking about here), the X-men would last maybe 60 seconds:D

[Eyeballing]

ok i have a few questions first Guyverjay you said that Supes held a blackhole in his hands? when was hits? and who said that WW can move at 99.99% speed of light shes not that fast is she? last i checked she wasnt but then again its beena while. Also yes the flash could take out most of the x-men before he knew what hit him but more than likely when they first engage in battle flash wouldnt think to do that because hes not going to know who to attack or even IF he should attack right away but also conversley the x-men wont know that he is faster than all of them put together except maybe DP.
Now professor X was not put into this battle it does not state him in the topic regardless DP like everyone has stated is a COSMIC ENTITY and her MENTAL POWERS both TELEKENISIS and TELEPATHY are INFINITE so you dont need proffessor X he fails in comparrisson to DP. Back to the flash ok now from what i know he can vibrate through objects but ive heard that when he does he makes them expolde correct? Also as far as i know he isnt the strongest guy in the world as a matter of fact he is only human or maybe peak human right?
So also as far as i know if he was traveling so fast that the X-men couldnt see him he wouldnt be able to hit them very hard right because it would break his hands? wouldnt it? so even though he can punch them thousands of times before they know it wouldnt he break his hands from doing so?
Now on to supes the guy NEVER uses his full power because he doesnt want to hurt anyone, unless he is fighting DD or a FEW other times. So im sure he would do the same thing here so he wouldnt kick the crap out of Rogue or Colossu right away not that he couldnt handle them he would just be pulling punches and not using his full strength. So overall with DP the JLA doest stand a chance sorry its a FACT. Without her yeah the X-Men probably get it handed to them.

[Marvin]

Is someone gonna tell me why the Dark Pheonix is in this, and Ion isn't.

Anyway, if flashes powers didn't protect him from the kinetic effects of his speed, he would be dead longago. ie, he absorbs the impact of his punches and only his opponet feels them.

Martian Manhunter is probubly just as mentally formidible as Prof X, not to mention his Superman class powers.

Like I said, Three of the JLA can operate faster than human sight allows, GL can overpower any of their energy capabilities, ie cyclops.

Who can hurt Plastic man?

Batman is well Batman, watch out.

[Eyeballing]

thats why i was asking about the flash i wasnt saying it was fact i didnt know, and dont ask me why DP is in this and not Ion i didnt make it up look at the begning of the poll lol

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Marvin
Is someone gonna tell me why the Dark Pheonix is in this, and Ion isn't.

Its called evening out the fight, the JLA vasty overpower the x-men unless you haven't noticed:rolleyes:


Anyway, if flashes powers didn't protect him from the kinetic effects of his speed, he would be dead longago. ie, he absorbs the impact of his punches and only his opponet feels them.

He's protected by the speed force

Martian Manhunter is probubly just as mentally formidible as Prof X, not to mention his Superman class powers.

Um no he's not

Like I said, Three of the JLA can operate faster than human sight allows, GL can overpower any of their energy capabilities, ie cyclops.

Phoenix has cosmic awareness so who cares?

Who can hurt Plastic man?

Read JLA plas can be frozen solid and thats where Iceman comes in:)

Batman is well Batman, watch out.
Great argument there


Phoenix whups all their asses

[Lackey]

Martian Manhunter is probubly just as mentally formidible as Prof X, not to mention his Superman class powers.

Originally posted by guyverjay
Um no he's not




In the latest issue of JLA, Martian Manhunter scans every mind on the planet within a matter of minutes or perhaps seconds... and that without the help of any "Cerebro"

I think we can safely say that MM is a more formidable telepath than Professor X.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Lackey
Martian Manhunter is probubly just as mentally formidible as Prof X, not to mention his Superman class powers.





In the latest issue of JLA, Martian Manhunter scans every mind on the planet within a matter of minutes or perhaps seconds... and that without the help of any "Cerebro"

I think we can safely say that MM is a more formidable telepath than Professor X.

wow he scanned everyone, impressive:rolleyes:

You know what sort of power xavier is CAPABLE of if he ever lost control = ONSLAUGHT

Plus even if MM is more powerful than xavier, phoneix would still kick his ass:o

[Lackey]

Originally posted by guyverjay
wow he scanned everyone, impressive:rolleyes:

Yeah, it's not impressive... had Professor X done something similar, then it would be impressive. But since MM did it, it's just something to roll your eyes at.

You know what sort of power xavier is CAPABLE of if he ever lost control = ONSLAUGHT

Onslaught was created from the consciousness of both Professor X and Magneto... not just Professor X.

[TheCorpulent1]

Onslaught took over Xavier's body and only exhibited psionic powers, though, so wouldn't that make any power Onslaught had technically Xavier's?

[Lackey]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Onslaught took over Xavier's body and only exhibited psionic powers, though, so wouldn't that make any power Onslaught had technically Xavier's?

There would be no Onslaught if not for Magneto

He did possess Magneto's powers also, didn't he?

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/o/onslaught.htm

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I didn't know that. I only saw him use the psi abilities in all his comic appearances I have. So I guess he does have Magneto's powers as well.

But that site says Onslaught has "the combined powers of progenitors Professor X and Magneto," implying that all the psi powers come from Xavier and all the magnetism powers come from Magneto. So technically, Xavier's still able to do everything Onslaught did psionically, he's just not willing to.

[Lackey]

But Onslaught really became powerful after taking Franklin Richards and Nate Grey, so I don't think you can say it was all Professor X.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Lackey
But Onslaught really became powerful after taking Franklin Richards and Nate Grey, so I don't think you can say it was all Professor X.

He punched juggernaut 10 miles away and left him unconcious BEFORE getting franklin and X-man. Plus the fact that he was able to trap the two powerful mutants on the planet and use their powers also counts for something

[White_Howling]

the JLA team is based on gods...

i don't think the x-men have fought gods...

the JLA has fought gods..

so sad to say JLA

[XFanTim]

I'm pretty sure it's true that Onslaught had some of Magneto's powers as well, which Prof. X had somehow absorbed when he blasted Mags into a coma. It's well established that Xavier has telepathy only, and that wouldn't allow him to physically beat Juggernaut, for example.

Then again, Onslaught did lots of things that shouldn't be possible. Pulling the gem out of Cain's chest, anyone? (It's not a matter of power -- the gem was never in his chest befor that!)

[White_Howling]

heh heh if Chamber was part of the team! hell yeah.. just ask him to release all his power and blow everyone apart..

also i believe in the power of X-Man (nate grey) if he could only control his powers. after all professor x. said nate was the stronger psychic alive..

[XFanTim]

Originally posted by White_Howling
after all professor x. said nate was the stronger psychic alive..

(spoiler if you still don't know how the X-Man series ended)
I guess now that means he's the strongest psychic dead :D

[White_Howling]

Originally posted by XFanTim
(spoiler if you still don't know how the X-Man series ended)
I guess now that means he's the strongest psychic dead :D

I know hes.. dead.. he was my favorite character... alot better than cable imo

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by Lackey
Yeah, it's not impressive... had Professor X done something similar, then it would be impressive. But since MM did it, it's just something to roll your eyes at.

I know I've posted this before somewhere but I can't find it so...

Basically: A 'severely weakened' Prof X scanned every mind on planet Earth and extracted only the good thoughts (good will, feelings, whatever you wanna call it) from them and channelled them into a pyschic blast (sent through the X-Men) that he sent into space, which rebutted an alien invasion, WITHOUT the assistance of Cerebro.

Not only is that more impressive than MM's telepathy, but it's a roll your eyes moment since Prof X did that waayyyyy back in Uncanny X-Men #54, or their abouts. I don't have the reference material right now but it's around Neal Adam's run, and appears in a X-men Visionaries tpb.

EDIT: I know that Guyverjay can back me up on this, just like last time! :D

[Assassin]

JLA, all the way, come on ppl chant it with me "JLA, all the way"

OOO big scary Laser eyes, how woyld cyclops laser eyes go vs supermans heat vision?

any one for a BBQ?

JLA, All The Way...

In the words of Thedore R. Long: Holla Holla, Holla belead dat playa

[XFanTim]

Cyclops doesn't have laser eyes.

But you knew that already, right?

[Assassin]

Um its a joke and i call him laser eyes cuz i dont like him

[PaleRider]

I don't think the X-men would even be a real challenge for the JLA. JLA would just step on them on thier way to a tougher fight.

[americanguy96]

Phoenix could send the JLA hurling into the sun without them thinking twice. My only concern would be Green Lantern, but once Phoenix telekineticly removed his ring he wouldn't be a problem.

[GL1]

This is crazy...

First off, why the heck would Flash ever grab Cyclops' visor? It looks pretty? Why would Superman run and deck everyone at superspeed? Or Wonder Woman? Have they ever done that? Ever? Flash *may*be... but the other people with high cruise speeds (Supes, Wondy, MM, GL) tend not to be so quick on the draw or impulsive... that's how heroes get killed...

So with a 'real' fight... we've got Flash out the gate... making himself the first target... he has three 'thought seconds' before he mysteriously falls asleep between Professor X, Phoenix, Psylocke and White Queen, depending on who's there.

As for Batman vs Wolverine. Has Batman *ever* met anyone that he couldn't keep up with hand to hand? has he *ever*met anyone who beat him with some minor powers? (Healing, animal senses)... ever? As for Wolvie... have you ever seen him immobilized by gas? Or electricity? Or any number of non-lethal attacks? Slowed, weakened, yes, but immobilized? Beaten? Wolverine vs Batman is the most even fight ever conceived of in comics. Neither of them ever lose... EVER. Not even a little bit and both of them have taken on speedsters, flying tanks and psionics and come out on top. It's an even fight if I ever saw one... it's just a popularity contest.

Strengthwise, no one's standing up to Superman's punches, or wonder woman's for that matter... that's where the JLA's real strenghts lie... and the fact that they move a bit faster, even when not at top speed... Cyclops can take out Aquaman or Green Arrow, but Superman can actually take those mountain levelling blasts while wonderwoman can probably deflect them! Bishop has nothing to fear from GL's blasts... but GL will eventually get smart and lock the guy down... the X-Men have such wild and wonderful and powerful talents that the JLA's meager creatvity can't really stand up to it... Cyclops's beams can stand up to Superman's, but Superman flies and is invulnerable...

That's why the JLA wins this fight, because, after a few rounds of getting surprised and hit and manipulated, they will begin pushing themselves... bring out that 'hands that can fuse coal into diamonds' strength and that 'Hermes? Oh, I thought you were *fast*...' speed and the X-Men take the fall... even Phoenix can't match with a Green Lantern in full stride, much less an A+ one like John, Kyle or Hal. Even the impressive powers of Xavier and Phoenix can't bore through the Martian Manhunters' elite practiced mental defenses, AND Superman's, AND Flash's super-quick brain, AND GL's willpower...

[Guyverjay]

This is crazy...


As for Batman vs Wolverine. Has Batman *ever* met anyone that he couldn't keep up with hand to hand? has he *ever*met anyone who beat him with some minor powers? (Healing, animal senses)... ever?

Lady Shiva

Deathstroke the terminator


As for Wolvie... have you ever seen him immobilized by gas? Or electricity? Or any number of non-lethal attacks? Slowed, weakened, yes, but immobilized? Beaten?

Yes by Shingen the Japanese crimelord. He drugged him then beat the crap out of him with a wooden sword:o
...


...

[X]

Batman's beaten Shiva as well.

And that was back in the day when Wolverine was much, much weaker overall. Took him like, a day to heal from gunshots, or a small stab wound.

[Anubis]

heh, I bet he got splinters to.

[Dayreck]

Think. If Batman could've taken out the entire JLA, I'm sure he'd
have no problem with the X-Men or Wolverine even. And don't
bring up the fact that he took time to come up with methods to
take down the JLA because this isn't about preparation, the X-men
aren't going to run into Bats while he's having a foamy latte' or anything.

As for the real topic with this thread.. I myself favor the X-Men but
I'm sure a single member of the JLA could take on any X-Men line up.

JLA take it.

[X]

Batman did nothing besides come up with the plans. Ra's men carried them out. That's one of the reasons they work, how and when they struck. Just Batman literally might of been able to take out a few of them by himself.

[TheCorpulent1]

The current incarnations of Batman and Wolverine would probably end up fighting forever. Batman would easily gather more information about Wolverine than Weapon X (or Weapon Plus or whatever they're calling it these days), Paul Jenkins, Len Wein, and his own mother combined know in like 5 minutes, develop several plans that account for every contingency, and execute them flawlessly. Wolverine would gladly take all the punishment Batman can throw at him, then his healing factor would reform his entire body from the single proton that remains of it in approximately 4.2 seconds (yeah, I know it seems slow, but finding electrons is a b****). Then they would fight hand-to-hand using every dirty trick in the book and Batman would disappear stealthily to return later and try again.

[AmazinUncleBen]

The current incarnations of Batman and Wolverine would probably end up fighting forever. Batman would easily gather more information about Wolverine than Weapon X (or Weapon Plus or whatever they're calling it these days), Paul Jenkins, Len Wein, and his own mother combined know in like 5 minutes, develop several plans that account for every contingency, and execute them flawlessly. Wolverine would gladly take all the punishment Batman can throw at him, then his healing factor would reform his entire body from the single proton that remains of it in approximately 4.2 seconds (yeah, I know it seems slow, but finding electrons is a b****). Then they would fight hand-to-hand using every dirty trick in the book and Batman would disappear stealthily to return later and try again.


Lmao....proton...heheheh

[professor_x]

I have to admit that I didn't read every reply, so someone may have mentioned this. Although Wolverine is tough to beat, he can't match wits with Batman. Batman would devise some countermeasure for him just like he had planned for the JLA in "Tower of Babel" (best comic I've ever read).

Even with no time to plan, he'll go back to the cave after the first fight and think something up for him... Maybe if Logan tracked him back to the cave, he might have a chance. But then again, Logan is more likely to go get a beer and have a cigar, where Batman will stay up all night thinking up contigency plans for him.

[taskmaster]

Jla

[Cap1970]

Jla.

[el sensei]

Wow, this is would be one hell of a Brawl. Here's the best I could match them up.

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops
Wolverine vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman = Rogue
Storm vs. Hawkgirl = Storm
Jean Grey (Phoenix) vs. Martian Manhunter = Jean Grey
Colossus vs. Superman = Superman
Bishop vs. The Flash = The Flash
Gambit vs. Green Arrow = Gambit
Magneto vs. Green Lantern = Green Lantern

Round 2
Cyclops vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. The Flash = The Flash
Storm/Gambit vs. Superman = Superman
Jean Grey vs. Green Lantern = Jean Grey

Round 3
Batman/The Flash/Superman vs. Jean Grey = JLA

Sorry I didn't give any good explanations, i'm tired and don't feel like typing out Paragraphs. Batman can never beat Cyclops he would get blasted before he can move. Listen try to evade the eyes of a friend of yours as if he was Cyclops, just as you wouldnt be able to keep him from staring at you in less than a second so would Batman be unable to keep Cyclops from frying him.:supes:

[supes_el]

the JLA team is based on gods...

What does that mean?

JLA, all the way, come on ppl chant it with me "JLA, all the way"

OOO big scary Laser eyes, how woyld cyclops laser eyes go vs supermans heat vision?

any one for a BBQ?

JLA, All The Way...

In the words of Thedore R. Long: Holla Holla, Holla belead dat playa

LoL, you quoted Teddy Long ;)

BTW: JLA :supes:

[Kmack]

I want to say JLA. . .but then again there's Phoenix. . .

[Trigger]

Phoenix could hold off JLA by herself if it came down to it.

[Calendar Man]

I love Batman, but he's bacon bits against Wolverine.

Batman would have Wolverine crying in a corner. Do not underestimate the Batgod.

[Calendar Man]

Batman's beaten Shiva as well.

And that was back in the day when Wolverine was much, much weaker overall. Took him like, a day to heal from gunshots, or a small stab wound.

Batman has beat Deathstroke too.

[Warhammer]

Close call, but JLA are a little too much for the X-Men.
But the X-Men would give a good fight.
Now the Avengers are a different story.

[GL1]

JLA would be the X-Men in any fair fight... but this is not a fair fight...

The OP is putting the standard JLA and then a suped up X-Men which includes the Phoenix Force and Magneto. If it was a fair fight, then we could use reserve JLAers like Captain Marvel and Green Lantern (with Ion) and the JLA would win again.

But the OP didn't do that, they OP put the Phoenix Force against the JLA, and while the Phoenix Force is far from omnipotent, it is on the sun-destroying level of play. The Phoenix would win this battle... not without destroying the planet earth (which most, if not all, of the JLA would survive, btw), but Phoenix would win.

[Marvin]

agreed

[Batmanx]

JLA vs.X-MEN = JLA

Superman vs. JeanGrey = StandStill Match
Wonder Woman vs. Colossus = WonderWoman(Hands Dn)
Batman vs. Bishop = Batman( Well soon get tha upper-hand)
Aguaman vs. Cyclops = Cyclops
Hawkgirl vs. Rogue = Rogue
Flash vs. Storm = Flash(His speed alone can take her out)
Martian ManHunter vs. Wolverine = Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern vs. Gambit = GL..
Magneto,,will watch the fight and help JLA ,just because,general purpose,doesn't like the X-Men...lol

[Infinity9999x]

Wolverine would probably fight Batman if we're going by matchups here, and I'd have to hand that fight to wolverine, because if batman punches him in the face he breaks his hand. It's pretty hard to hit a guy that's got the strongest metal in the world on his bones.

[Silicon Surfer]

Any of the telepaths of the X-Men could mindlock almost the whole JLA leaving any other telepaths to attack MM. Cyclops famed richochet shots could also kill all the non invulnerable JLAers in an instant. If Magneto is part of the team then the magnetic bottle trick he used to suck the power out of Phoenix would also depower Superman. Using Rogue to power up on MM would also be a devastating tactic even if she got only a portion of his power

[Marvin]

Aquaman has his own telepathic power/defense

Superman is said to be immune to it in certain instances

A gl might be, but not for too long

[GL1]

Superman and GL breaks mind control with pure willpower
Martian Manhunter and Aquaman are telepaths
Flash is famously too fast for telepaths to track...

The telepaths May get Wondy, Bats and Hawkgirl, but they wont do much before MM points out who they are and flash K.O.s all of them. Opening up with telepaths would be a tactical mistake, the X-Men would be exposing their trump card too early.

Also Magneto cannot suck Superman's muscles out, therefore, he cannot depower Superman. And people punch and kick Wolverine all the time without breaking their bones. Besides, Batman would have that man electrocuted, gassed, blown up and grappled long before they get close enough to punch and kick.

The ONLY way the X-Men will EVER beat the JLA is if The Phoenix Force is fighting for them. This is a battle that will destroy the world and kill just about everyone on it. There is simply no other way for the X-Men to win.

[Silicon Surfer]

A possible scenario that I could see happening if the stakes were high enough: Cyclops opens with an optic blast richocheted off of Superman or MM depending on position.his is one of is patented multi bank shots at full power. this blast is traveling at the speed of light and cannot be seen until after it hits.Wonder Woman,Flash, Aquaman, Batman, and Hawkman are killed instantly. Xavier unloads a full power psi-bolt at MM whose mental defenses fail but probably preserve his life... barely. Supermans' powers are energy based and the energy can be siphoned off by Magnetos' magnetic bottle trick. If it can affect the phoenix then it should have no trouble on Superman. If it is Hal then he has a shield up going into the battle and has resisted all attacks without harm so far.there is no easy way for the X-Men to take him down as they did the others so it becomes a matter of dogpileing on him and wearing down his will power enough for someone to get through.Even here though Hal could still win against all the X-Men.

[BrianWilly]

No way would Wonder Woman, Aquaman, or Hawkman be "killed instantly" by a single optic blast.

[Infinity9999x]

Superman and GL breaks mind control with pure willpower
Martian Manhunter and Aquaman are telepaths
Flash is famously too fast for telepaths to track...

The telepaths May get Wondy, Bats and Hawkgirl, but they wont do much before MM points out who they are and flash K.O.s all of them. Opening up with telepaths would be a tactical mistake, the X-Men would be exposing their trump card too early.

Also Magneto cannot suck Superman's muscles out, therefore, he cannot depower Superman. And people punch and kick Wolverine all the time without breaking their bones. Besides, Batman would have that man electrocuted, gassed, blown up and grappled long before they get close enough to punch and kick.

The ONLY way the X-Men will EVER beat the JLA is if The Phoenix Force is fighting for them. This is a battle that will destroy the world and kill just about everyone on it. There is simply no other way for the X-Men to win.

That's also shotty writing. People break their hands when they hit other people hard, imagine how it would feel if you hit a guy with unbreakable metal around his bones. They used to mention that all the time in the old Wolverine comics, but then, they used to write Wolverine where he actually fought with skill, and not just go physco all the time. And I'm sorry, but Bats is toast against wolverine. Gas him? His healing factor beats out any poisions in his system. Actually, basically everything you mentioned wouldn't fase him much because of his healing system. Of course, I really don't like it, but the way the write Wolverine now, his healing is almost instantaneous.

20 years ago, bullets would take him at least a couple of minutes to heal from, now, heck he'll run headfirst into machine gun fire and be fine. It may be an overuse of healing power, but that's how he's written now. And are we saying that Batman knows who wolverine is? Because he wouldn't try to blow anyone up unless he knew they could survive it. (and heck like I said, igniting a grenade in Wolverine's face might not keep him down that long). I just don't see Bats being able to pull a win out with this one.

[Guyverjay]

Flash is famously too fast for telepaths to track...

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Here's two guys who say otherwise:o

http://www.lethargiclad.com/gorilla/flash127.gif
http://www.marveloverpower.com/OverPower/DC_OverPower/DCOverPowerPics/DCPowerCards/8Energy_Brainiac.jpg

[TheFalcon]

JLA would win.

[GL1]

That's also shotty writing. People break their hands when they hit other people hard, imagine how it would feel if you hit a guy with unbreakable metal around his bones. They used to mention that all the time in the old Wolverine comics, but then, they used to write Wolverine where he actually fought with skill, and not just go physco all the time. And I'm sorry, but Bats is toast against wolverine. Gas him? His healing factor beats out any poisions in his system. Actually, basically everything you mentioned wouldn't fase him much because of his healing system. Of course, I really don't like it, but the way the write Wolverine now, his healing is almost instantaneous.

20 years ago, bullets would take him at least a couple of minutes to heal from, now, heck he'll run headfirst into machine gun fire and be fine. It may be an overuse of healing power, but that's how he's written now. And are we saying that Batman knows who wolverine is? Because he wouldn't try to blow anyone up unless he knew they could survive it. (and heck like I said, igniting a grenade in Wolverine's face might not keep him down that long). I just don't see Bats being able to pull a win out with this one.

If Batman ever punched Wolverine in the face, then not only would Batman have the padding of gloves, and the protection of the metal that lines them, but his tender gentle hands would also be padded by the inch or so of flesh between wolverine's face and his skull.

Futhermore, since Batman typically hits pretty hard, Wolverine's head would be pushed, to some degree, backwards, resulting in further less pressure on Batman's hand from the blow. Now if Wolverine were an adamantium wall, then the glove padding wouldn't be worth much, but as is, Wolverine is a movable person, and thus, hitting him is a lot less painful than hitting a brick wall simply because he moves when you hit him. Wolverine is not invulnerable... just unkillable.

Aside from the fact that I have not mentioned Batman gassing Wolverine or any such madness, Wolverine fights Elektra, Captain America and other master martial artists pretty evenly. Batman, being on par with these skill wise would also fight Wolverine to a standstill, his claws being no more an advantage than Batman's boomerangs, both of which are fully capable of cutting up lots and lots of flesh.

While the chances of Batman and Wolverine meeting up in a free for all brawl between the X-Men and JLA are SUPER Slim, if they WERE to meet up, the fight would likely continue until one of their teammates came to help decide the battle... unless of course they were the last two standing, in which case, Wolverine would win... after four days of straight fighting of course... :)

[PWN3R]

JLA would win, but Batman would so die...

[X-Punisher]

Batman would have Wolverine crying in a corner. Do not underestimate the Batgod.


Surely you jest? Wolverine would kill Batman.

[X-Punisher]

JLA vs.X-MEN = JLA

Superman vs. JeanGrey = StandStill Match
Wonder Woman vs. Colossus = WonderWoman(Hands Dn)
Batman vs. Bishop = Batman( Well soon get tha upper-hand)
Aguaman vs. Cyclops = Cyclops
Hawkgirl vs. Rogue = Rogue
Flash vs. Storm = Flash(His speed alone can take her out)
Martian ManHunter vs. Wolverine = Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern vs. Gambit = GL..
Magneto,,will watch the fight and help JLA ,just because,general purpose,doesn't like the X-Men...lol



Magneto would most likely help the X-Men if they were fighting JLA. Magneto would most likely see JLA as a bigger threat then the X-Men. After helping the X-Men he would surely go after them.

[Warhammer]

Once again...
JLA would crush X-Men.

[Infinity9999x]

If Batman ever punched Wolverine in the face, then not only would Batman have the padding of gloves, and the protection of the metal that lines them, but his tender gentle hands would also be padded by the inch or so of flesh between wolverine's face and his skull.

Futhermore, since Batman typically hits pretty hard, Wolverine's head would be pushed, to some degree, backwards, resulting in further less pressure on Batman's hand from the blow. Now if Wolverine were an adamantium wall, then the glove padding wouldn't be worth much, but as is, Wolverine is a movable person, and thus, hitting him is a lot less painful than hitting a brick wall simply because he moves when you hit him. Wolverine is not invulnerable... just unkillable.

Aside from the fact that I have not mentioned Batman gassing Wolverine or any such madness, Wolverine fights Elektra, Captain America and other master martial artists pretty evenly. Batman, being on par with these skill wise would also fight Wolverine to a standstill, his claws being no more an advantage than Batman's boomerangs, both of which are fully capable of cutting up lots and lots of flesh.

While the chances of Batman and Wolverine meeting up in a free for all brawl between the X-Men and JLA are SUPER Slim, if they WERE to meet up, the fight would likely continue until one of their teammates came to help decide the battle... unless of course they were the last two standing, in which case, Wolverine would win... after four days of straight fighting of course... :)

Well I suppose that would make sense, but it would at least hurt batman to hit him. Actually you did mention Batman gassing wolverine in my original quote, I bolded it, you said And people punch and kick Wolverine all the time without breaking their bones. Besides, Batman would have that man electrocuted, gassed, blown up and grappled long before they get close enough to punch and kick.

I disagree about the claws not being any more advantage then a batarang. Batman can loose his batarangs, they can be nocked from his hand, and they're much more breakable then wolverine's claws. Also, if Wolverine gets a nasty cut, he heals, if Batman gets a nasty cut, he's screwed.

And your right, the chances of them meeting up would be slim, and they most probably wouldn't, but I only brought this up because someone had the X-men going against the JLA and played it out individualy, and I believe he had Batman going against someone other then Wolverine, to which I said I thought Batman and Wolverine would be a better matchup.

[Infinity9999x]

Once again...
JLA would crush X-Men.

Most likely ya, unless X-men had the phoniex force...and after destroying the world and killing everybody, if anybody in the JLA was left, the Phoniex force would bore them to death by dying and coming back to life 50billion times....because her friggin creators at marvel can't come up with anything original.