Bigfoot

[Brodie Bruce]

Does this missing link exist?support your claim


your thoughts?

[Knightsaber Priss]

OH DEAR GOD!!!!! You're making me think of that absolutely horrible 1972 movie called Bigfoot.

[Brodie Bruce]

I'm sorry :(

[Man-Thing]

bigfoot is a dummy!:mad:

[Spider-Nerd]

No brodie.

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
bigfoot is a dummy!:mad:

so are you :p

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by Lord Chaos
so are you :p your avatar is not cool!:mad:

[jackcool]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
your avatar is not cool!:mad:

you're not cool:p

[Knightsaber Priss]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
your avatar is not cool!:mad:

I wouldn't talk.

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
your avatar is not cool!:mad:

it's better than your's swamp thing jnr:mad:

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Spider-Nerd
No brodie.

why not?

[Man-Thing]

Originally posted by Lord Chaos
it's better than your's swamp thing jnr:mad: shut up noob.:mad:

[Chaos]

your a noob to you ****ing retard

[kritic]

OMG BIGFUT SITING!!!1!111one!

http://www.collectorsconnection.org/images/26a346.jpg

[Captain America]

Originally posted by kritic
OMG BIGFUT SITING!!!1!111one!

http://www.collectorsconnection.org/images/26a346.jpg

Rotflmmfaoicsldkufmf :D

[Clerk]

Originally posted by kritic
OMG BIGFUT SITING!!!1!111one!

http://www.collectorsconnection.org/images/26a346.jpg

And judging from the documented tapes, he can say "Ok.":D

[Matt_Murdock]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
Does this missing link exist?support your claim


your thoughts?

i have'nt done this in a couple days *punches brodie*

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
Does this missing link exist?support your claim


your thoughts? Sasquatch is the more proper name.

The likelyhood is that an unknown primate could indeed exist in North America. Take into account that the Mountain Gorilla in Africa was not confirmed untill the early 1900s, and was said to be an imaginary critter before then.

Check this out: http://www.bfro.net/GDB/newadd.asp

[Byranx]

Damn straight Sasquatch exists!:mad:

They got the footprints to prove it!!;)

[Captain America]

Originally posted by Truthteller
Sasquatch is the more proper name.

The likelyhood is that an unknown primate could indeed exist in North America. Take into account that the Mountain Gorilla in Africa was not confirmed untill the early 1900s, and was said to be an imaginary critter before then.

Check this out: http://www.bfro.net/GDB/newadd.asp

I do believe he exists and all.. but I just read one of those Stories, this Lady apparently said he was wearing a Ski Uniform?!

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by Captain America
I do believe he exists and all.. but I just read one of those Stories, this Lady apparently said he was wearing a Ski Uniform?! Really?! Which one? I've referenced some good ones from that site over the years. ;)

[Truthteller]

One of the interesting things about that site is the new reports section. There are several to many new reports every month. Most are very creditable. There is enough food supply and sheltered areas for them to exist as well.

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/newadd.asp

[Captain America]

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=5697

This one.

[kritic]

http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=40911

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by Captain America
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=5697

This one. Wow. That is a wild encounter man.

What he was saying is that this figure "appeared" to have a full ski jacket/coat on... with the hood that came to a peak on top. That is characteristic of the sasquatch head. His mind was telling him it was a coat and hood, but that makes no sense in the hot weather they were experiencing at the time.

[QuiGonJosh]

I am BigFoot...I wear an 18-size shoe...

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Truthteller
Sasquatch is the more proper name.

The likelyhood is that an unknown primate could indeed exist in North America. Take into account that the Mountain Gorilla in Africa was not confirmed untill the early 1900s, and was said to be an imaginary critter before then.

Check this out: http://www.bfro.net/GDB/newadd.asp

ah, one who is informed. I was worried Sasquatch would confuse some of these lesser beings

[Truthteller]

Has anyone else ever heard this animal call?

http://bfro.net/AVEVID/MJM/Scream.wav

[spiderrasmon]

BIG-FOOT!!! and the Muscle Machines!!!

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by spiderrasmon
BIG-FOOT!!! and the Muscle Machines!!! Not that BIGFOOT rasmon! :D Although that one is dang cool. ;) Sasquatch man! :)

[The Incredible Hulk]

Originally posted by spiderrasmon
BIG-FOOT!!! and the Muscle Machines!!!

"They're big, bad, dirty, and MEAN!!"

[Clerk]

I ate a piece of a Big Foot once at a party.:o

[Truthteller]

Report # 2393 (Class A)
Submitted by witness David K. on Thursday, March 09, 2000.
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A group of military police report an encounter while guarding a chopper accident site
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YEAR: 1985
SEASON: Summer
MONTH: September
STATE: Georgia
COUNTY: Lumpkin County
LOCATION DETAILS: The location was northwest of Dalonega, Ga about 5-6 miles in the Chatahoochee Forest, 4 miles north of Camp Darby (US Army Ranger training camp). The main N - S Park access (dirt and gravel) road was about two miles from the location. The Park starts about 1/2 mile north of Camp Darby and the access road is the road from Darby into the Park - follow this road for about 2 miles and take the right (north) fork. About 2-3 miles north of the fork and on the west side of the road is a large mountain (I dont know the name of it, and was probably only known as a number on the military maps, however I do not recall what it is) the incident occured near a ridge, about 1/3 of the way up mountain. If I had a military map of the area I could show you the exact location.

NEAREST TOWN: Dalonega
NEAREST ROAD: state park access road about 2 miles away
OBSERVED: In 1985 I was assigned as a Military Policeman to the US Army Garrison at Fort McPhearson, Ga.(Atlanta). We recieved a alert for my squad to go and secure the crash site of an AH-1 (Cobra) helicopter that belonged to the Texas Army National Guard that crashed in the Chatahoochee Forest, North of the Ranger Camp.

We were helicoptered into the ranger camp with our gear and we boarded a "Duece" (2 1/2 ton truck) for the ride to the crash site.

We made it to within about 1/4 mile of the site and had to carry our gear in.

We relieved the Rangers that were guarding the site (the crash occured about 12 hrs earlier) and set up camp. Our job was to keep people out of the area (curiosity seekers, news people, etc.) until the crash investigation team arrived and took over.

The crash site was small, about 100 feet by 30 feet because the Cobra crashed in one piece and then burned, so the whole area had that fuel smell and that "burned flesh" smell.

We set up camp adjacent to the wreckage about 50 feet away and posted our guard shifts. (I will not name complete names here because of 2 reasons, 1. some of the people involved refused to even talk about it afterward. 2. I do not know where they are today.)

My squad consisted of 5 men:

SGT Ken R. - Patrol Supervisor (NCOIC)
SPC Rodney T. - MP
SPC Shaun N. - MP
PFC Tim A. - MP
PFC David K. (Me)-MP

We finally got the camp set around 6:00 pm and the sun was going down. A large fire was built in our perimeter (which was pretty stupid in retrospect due to the large amount of fuel on the ground from the crash) and had set 4 hour shifts. Myself and SPC Shaun N were on the second shift (10:00 pm-2:00 am) we finally racked out about 8:00pm to get some shut-eye.

Around 10:00 pm I woke to the most god awful howl/scream you could imagine and when I looked at SGT Ken R, SPC Rodney T and PFC Tim A, you would have thought that they saw a ghost! All three had their 45's out (we were armed with [45's] with two 6 round magazines) ****ed, locked and ready to rock!

All were visibly shaken. Myself and SPC Shaun N got up and asked what the hell was that, the only answer we got was another howl/scream that was about 50 feet to our east (from the direction of the wreckage) at which time SGT Ken R started dousing the fire from a 5 gallon water can and then told us to spread out online. He told us to keep our flashlights off until he told us and then told us to move out to the wreckage keeping online. His words were "If these locals wanna F*** with the Army then lets give em what they want."

At this point as we started to move out I could hear metal being pulled, thrown and moved around at the crash site and I kept looking for a light down there as I was moving. About 30 feet away SGT Ken R turned on his mag-lite and what I saw scared the S*** out of me: 3 creatures were there among the wreckage and they were not bears! the closest one (about 10 feet away) was holding a piece of metal from the heicopter and stood on 2 legs at least 7 1/2 feet tall, covered in hair except for the face, which looked like a chimp, the one behind him(15 feet away) was dragging part of the pilot's body from the wreckage, he (or she) was larger than the first one, however it was stooped while dragging the body. My estimate was over 8 feet tall with the same facial features. I only saw the 3rd one briefly 40 feet away as it was fleeing.

SPC Rodney T. was the first one to fire which sent everyone into "Dodge City" mode (basically shooting everywhere). After SGT Ken R. got everyone to stop shooting and got us calmed down (yea right!) we reloaded a fresh clip and circled the wagons so to speak. This all lasted about 20 min from start (when I heard the scream) to finish(when we stopped firing) however we stayed locked and loaded till sunrise and did not move from our 360 at the wreckage.

Around 6:00 it started getting light, so we moved out to see if we killed one of the creatures or could at least get a bloodtrail. We found no creature bodies or bloodtrails.

The crash invesigators arrived at 8:00 am and we said nothing to them (upon agreement) and we left and returned to Fort McPhearson.

When I think about that night I really get the "Willies" about what I saw and as I said earlier some of the guys with me absolutely refused to talk about it. I honestly think (looking back on this) that these creatures ment us no harm - they were only scavaging. I think they may have smelled the burned bodies in the same way you can smell someone bar-b-quing, how good it smells? They sensed a free meal - even though we were 50 feet away - and were willing to take the risk.

The howl/scream? one of the creatures calling the others to his find. I have only talked to 2 other people about this and because I am still in the military (though I am no longer an MP) I wish to remain unknown to the public - at least until I retire (in 4 years). As an investigator you are free to contact me any time and I will answer any of your questions that I can.
OTHER WITNESSES: 5 total witnesses involved 2 were sleeping - (myself and SPC Shaun N.) 3 were guarding - (SGT Ken R., SPC Rodney T., PFC Tim A.)
TIME AND CONDITIONS: 10:00-11:00 pm Light Conditions: dark but clear Weather: clear and about 60 degrees

ENVIRONMENT: Geography: mountain terrain (by Georgia standards) with elevations around 3000 feet (highest peak in the area). It has many fast flowing creeks and streams with deep beds. The terrain tends to be very steep in most places with lots of gullies and draws.

Heavily wooded with areas of clearcut. underbrush is thick with lots of deadfalls. Virgin forest and 2nd generation forest about 50 / 50. Mostly Oak and Pine, some Walnut and a few Elm. Blackberries and wild plums abound. Enviorment of Encounter Area: 2nd generation hardwood forest (about 20-30 yrs old) and thick underbrush (oak scrub) about 200 meters (175 yards) from the edge of virgin timber (hardwood)

See Pics and the followup report here: http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2393

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12025&perpage=25&pagenumber=5

[The Lizard]

I'm down with the Loch Ness Monster and the South Carolina Lizardman, but I don't know about Bigfoot.

Didn't the guy who first made up the Bigfoot hoax in the 60's recently die, and confess to it on his deathbed?

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by The Lizard
I'm down with the Loch Ness Monster and the South Carolina Lizardman, but I don't know about Bigfoot.

Didn't the guy who first made up the Bigfoot hoax in the 60's recently die, and confess to it on his deathbed? Yes, Wallace. That was a hoax. He was a well known hoaxer. Here is some info on it: http://www.bfro.net/news/Wallace.asp

Also, The Loch Ness Monster does not have the food suppy to be sustained in that loch unless there is an underground passage to the sea, and that can not be found. I study these things, it is more likely that an unknown primate does indeed exist in North America.

[PALADIN]

Originally posted by The Lizard
I'm down with the Loch Ness Monster and the South Carolina Lizardman, but I don't know about Bigfoot.

Didn't the guy who first made up the Bigfoot hoax in the 60's recently die, and confess to it on his deathbed?

Actually,the legends of the Sasquatch extend back over centuries in Native American tribes. The fellow who made his own wooden "bigfoot" clogs and went stomping around the woods to create a hoax was hardly responsible for the variety of sightings that have continued over the years. He merely added a farcical footnote and created interest in something that was already there--much the same as the two retirees in Great Britain who produced Crop Circles yet could not possibly have been responsible for the circles that have appeared around the world,or even all the circles in England for that matter.

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by PALADIN
Actually,the legends of the Sasquatch extend back over centuries in Native American tribes. The fellow who made his own wooden "bigfoot" clogs and went stomping around the woods to create a hoax was hardly responsible for the variety of sightings that have continued over the years. He merely added a farcical footnote and created interest in something that was already there--much the same as the two retirees in Great Britain who produced Crop Circles yet could not possibly have been responsible for the circles that have appeared around the world,or even all the circles in England for that matter. Thats exactly right.

Moreover in the case of Sasquatch, if you check out this link, you will see that the reports come from all over North America, not just the Pacific Northwest. http://www.bfro.net/GDB/newadd.asp

Just a few recent examples:

Reports posted since April 1, 2003

August 1972; Nevada, Washoe County (Class A) - Three boys encounter sasquatch in eroded terrain.

October 2001; Manitoba, (Class A) - Woman sees creature cross city park

January 2001; Colorado, Archuleta County (Class A) - Large creature crosses road in 1 1/2 strides

August 1996-97; New Mexico, Otero County (Class A) - Ongoing encounters in southeastern New Mexico

June 1999; Washington, King County (Class A) - Vocalization, followed by sighting near Carnation/Fall City.

February 2002; California, Monterey County (Class A) - Dusk sighting by hunter on Fort Hunter Liggett


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Reports posted since March 1, 2003

June 1987; Wyoming, Carbon County (Class A) - Juvenile sasquatch startles young squirrel hunters

August 2002; Missouri, Greene County (Class A) - Meteor watchers see large two-legged dark creature approach vehicle near Springfield.

1975-1977; Idaho, Bonner County (Class A) - Multiple sightings by northern Idaho family


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Reports posted since February 1, 2003

February 2003; Kentucky, McCreary County (Class A) - Man observes sasquatch looking at him along Highway 92 near Pine Knot.

January 2003; Wyoming, (Class A) - Motorist changes his mind about bigfoot after seeing animal cross road in early morning

July 2002; Ontario, (Class A) - Man watching his sons canoeing also sees upright animal. Extraordinary vocalizations heard.

August 1976; Nevada, Clark County (Class A) - Mother and daughter have sighting along road

June 2000; California, Siskiyou County (Class A) - On a warm summers day, two young men have three separate sightings.

[Jack Rabbit]

Originally posted by Man-Thing
bigfoot is a dummy!:mad:

look, we found the missing link!

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Truthteller
Yes, Wallace. That was a hoax. He was a well known hoaxer. Here is some info on it: http://www.bfro.net/news/Wallace.asp

Also, The Loch Ness Monster does not have the food suppy to be sustained in that loch unless there is an underground passage to the sea, and that can not be found. I study these things, it is more likely that an unknown primate does indeed exist in North America.

Well to be honest, I'm no slouch in the Cryptozoology department either, my friend (although I DO realize that the SC Lizardman is almost certainly a bunch of hillbilly B.S.-- I just like the concept ;) ). As far as Nessie goes, the pleisiosaur theory is ridiculous, of course. However, a large freshwater mollusk that has access to possible underwater caves or the muddy bottom of the loch is a theory I personally like to entertain.

As far as unknown primates in the Americas, perhaps a smaller creature along the lines of DeLoy's Ape (which I know is a photo that has been largely debunked, but the physiology is still curious) might be the culprit. I don't visualize Bigfoot (or the South's own Skunk-Ape) as the hulking humanoids brought to mind in popular culture or the Yeti stories.

The giant Yeti, however-- that's an interesting possiblity. A decendant of Gigantopithecus, maybe?

[PALADIN]

Originally posted by Truthteller:

"Moreover in the case of Sasquatch, if you check out this link, you will see that the reports come from all over North America, not just the Pacific Northwest. "



----Don`t forget the Southern Cousin of Bigfoot: in the southwest area of Arkansas is the town of Fouke,which is said to have it`s own Bigfoot. That monster is a little more famous than the others . . . he's a film star.

Supposedly, this monster is 7 feet tall and hairy all over. The monster has a characteristic smelly odor and kills chicken, cattle, dogs and livestock but so far it hasn't killed any people. It walks on two feet. It's sort of the southern version of a Sasquatch (aka "bigfoot"). The monster supposedly harassed two families living outside of Fouke in the late 1960s. In 1973, the monster story was made famous in a low budget movie called "The Legend of Boogy Creek" (Boggy Creek is the rural area where the monster is suspected to live).

However, the cheesy movie, "Legend of Boggy Creek", is worth the time. It is very interesting and makes you wonder if this monster might really have existed. I recommend you rent it before you go to find the monster, but get your *MST3k gear ready because this one is a hoot. If you can stand the cheesy script, actors and filming, you might learn a bit about the monster.

The monster did actually rate a MSTing from Mike, Servo and Crow! Mike and the bots riff the third of the three films made about the Fouke Monster, "Return To Boggy Creek".

If you do decide to go to Fouke, there is a gift shop near the Creek where you can buy T-shirts and monster memorabilia so even if you don't see the monster it's not a total waste of time. It's fun Arkansas history!

*MST3k is Mystery Science Theater 3000, a popular cult series that ran from 1989-1999.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by PALADIN

If you do decide to go to Fouke, there is a gift shop near the Creek where you can buy T-shirts and monster memorabilia so even if you don't see the monster it's not a total waste of time. It's fun Arkansas history!



Hey Paladin, have you ever been over to Bishopville, SC where the Lizardman made his appearance in the Scape Ore Swamp in 1989-1990? I keep meaning to go over there, but it's like a six-hour drive from Atlanta. If they still had any Lizardman doodads or t-shirts at their gift shops, it might be worth it.

[spiderrasmon]

How can you believe in Bigfoot and not believe in God?

[Truthteller]

I saw that movie at the theater! :D

As I recall, the original encounters are documented at BFRO and are rather compelling... ;)

[PALADIN]

Originally posted by spiderrasmon
How can you believe in Bigfoot and not believe in God?

.....I can`t recall anyone saying they did not believe in God,but did believe in Bigfoot in this thread.

[PALADIN]

Originally posted by Truthteller
I saw that movie at the theater! :D

As I recall, the original encounters are documented at BFRO and are rather compelling... ;)

I saw it as well.....
It was cheaply done,but quite creepy and compelling.

[Cyclops]

I can't think of bigfoot without thinking of "Harry and The Hendersons".

[PALADIN]

Originally posted by Cyclops
I can't think of bigfoot without thinking of "Harry and The Hendersons".

Bloody hell, CYC......You`re still better off than I am .....

I can`t think of Bigfoot without envisioning that "Cyborg Sasquatch" from the ol` "Six Million Dollar Man" series.

:rolleyes:

[The Lizard]

Here's a board game I had as a kid...

Bigfoot Game (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/viewboardgameimage.php3?id=16524&title=pic1041025719jpg)

Man, I loved that game....good times.

[Cyclops]

Originally posted by PALADIN
Bloody hell, CYC......You`re still better off than I am .....

I can`t think of Bigfoot without envisioning that "Cyborg Sasquatch" from the ol` "Six Million Dollar Man" series.

:rolleyes:

Cy... borg sasquatch. Oooooo-kay... and I thought the robotic gorilla from "Spawn" was a lame idea (well, I thought everything from "Spawn" was a lame idea, but still....).

[PALADIN]

Originally posted by Cyclops
Cy... borg sasquatch. Oooooo-kay...

Yessirreebob...... Steve Austin battled "The Bionic Bigfoot" several times in the ol` 70`s series....Pro Wrestler Andre The Giant played the hairy creature,a weird creation of space aliens who used him to guard their secret mountain headquarters in the pacific northwest. They had been there for centuries,hence the entire "Sasquatch" legend.

Of such stuff was 70`s tv sci-fi made of.....

[Cyclops]

Andre? Well, then, it had to be good! ;)

[The Lizard]

http://www.bugeyedmonster.com/toys/smdm/smdm/bigfoot/bigfoot.jpg

[Grey Fyre]

LMAO
p.s. is "Lizard thing" anything like a Man-Thing? :)

[The Exalted]

Only a fool or a Canadian would believe in such obvious Fiction....

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by The Exalted
Only a fool or a Canadian would believe in such obvious Fiction....

http://webpages.charter.net/ubergeek/forumpics/BannedSmiley.gif

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
http://webpages.charter.net/ubergeek/forumpics/BannedSmiley.gif

:) well its true....:o

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by The Exalted
Only a fool or a Canadian would believe in such obvious Fiction....
as opposed to a person that refused to belive that Bonobo chimps or hermaphrodites exist?

I think Bigfoot is a hairy alien. Not all aliens are gonna be beautiful green women that say "show me some more of this thing that you call kissing", or "Why do you call it a blow job when i must not blow"

so there you are. Bigfoot and the Yeti are both aliens from the planet hairy shoulders (or they could be greek fishermen), and nessie exists.
thats this thread sorted.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by The Exalted
:) well its true....:o

You're an idiot.

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by logansoldcigar
as opposed to a person that refused to belive that Bonobo chimps or hermaphrodites exist?


I dont believe in Gay Animals...I dont care what some people say!

and sure I do believe that Mutations in the genome exist...when did

I say otherwise....

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
You're an idiot.

And you sir are no doubt a Canadian....I rest my case!:o

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by The Exalted
And you sir are no doubt a Canadian....I rest my case!:o

Ya know, yesterday someone got banned for being racist. Prejudiced isn't that much of a difference........

Exalted my ass.

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by The Exalted
I dont believe in Gay Animals...I dont care what some people say!

and sure I do believe that Mutations in the genome exist...when did

I say otherwise....

i cant rmember the exact thread....but i had to post a link to a site, and you still denied it.
and Bonobos exist. its a fact. It cant be denied. and shagging for procreation only was put in the bible by some bloke who wanted the best boys n girls fer hisself, so he told his pple the bible said "only screw yer wife, and then only to have kids" whilst he threw massive great bloody orgies.

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
Ya know, yesterday someone got banned for being racist. Prejudiced isn't that much of a difference........

Exalted my ass.

Now I could swear that using profanity would get someone banned....but hey

I guess telliing the Truth can get ya banned too...

Canadians believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....

Fools believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....

Where is my prejudice Canadian?

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by logansoldcigar
Bonobos exist. its a fact. It cant be denied. and shagging for procreation only was put in the bible by some bloke who wanted the best boys n girls fer hisself, so he told his pple the bible said "only screw yer wife, and then only to have kids" whilst he threw massive great bloody orgies.

I wont go into another discussion about how disgusting Homosexuality is....If

you believe in gay "shagging" monkeys hey whatever makes you happy....

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by The Exalted
Now I could swear that using profanity would get someone banned....but hey

I guess telliing the Truth can get ya banned too...

Canadians believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....

Fools believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....

Where is my prejudice Canadian?

Thats a dangerous way to go. If i replaced Canadians with "BlacK people" in that statement......thats why the statement is prejudiced.

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by The Exalted
I wont go into another discussion about how disgusting Homosexuality is....If

you believe in gay "shagging" monkeys hey whatever makes you happy....

oh dear.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by The Exalted
Now I could swear that using profanity would get someone banned....but hey

I guess telliing the Truth can get ya banned too...

Canadians believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....

Fools believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....

Where is my prejudice Canadian?

If you can't see it, you're blind.

"Only a fool or a Canadian would believe in such obvious Fiction...."

Try and tell me that's not being prejudice against Canadians. Just TRY IT!! You're calling us all fools, plain and simple. If you can't see that you need your head examined.

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by logansoldcigar
Thats a dangerous way to go. If i replaced Canadians with "BlacK people" in that statement......thats why the statement is prejudiced.

Theres so many flaws in this statement that Im afraid to comment on it....it

just might crumble.....:cool:

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
If you can't see it, you're blind.

"Only a fool or a Canadian would believe in such obvious Fiction...."

Try and tell me that's not being prejudice against Canadians. Just TRY IT!! You're calling us all fools, plain and simple. If you can't see that you need your head examined.

I beleive that all people who believe in Big foot are Fools and are Fooling

themselves...I know that ol Big Foot is big in Canada so I stated that canadians

are among the fools....sue me!!!!!!

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by The Exalted
I beleive that all people who believe in Big foot are Fools and are Fooling

themselves...I know that ol Big Foot is big in Canada so I stated that canadians

are among the fools....sue me!!!!!!

Obviously someone hasn't seen this...

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/

Far more sightings in the US there Sparky. So, who's more foolish now?

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
Obviously someone hasn't seen this...

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/

Far more sightings in the US there Sparky. So, who's more foolish now?

Ok what part of FOOLS and Canadians doesnt that site cover....:confused:

[Quietstorm]

I do not believe in Big Foot, because every time I see those blasted home videos of "Big Foot", they always look like Ape suits to me. :o It just seems too silly to me :rolleyes:

[logansoldcigar]

quote:
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Originally posted by logansoldcigar
Thats a dangerous way to go. If i replaced Canadians with "BlacK people" in that statement......thats why the statement is prejudiced.
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then you :


Originally posted by The Exalted
Theres so many flaws in this statement that Im afraid to comment on it....it

just might crumble.....:cool:
ohhhh, so if i knew some black people believed in Bigfoot, and i said:

Black People believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....

Fools believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....


I would not be directly implying that black people are fools, especially if, in a previous post i had said:

Only a fool or a Black Person would believe in such obvious Fiction....

please explain to me how a statement such as that, which specifically mentions a race or skin color, with the direct implication they are fools is not prejudiced?
and if you do, ill apologise for questioning you and bow down to your superior intellect.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by The Exalted
Ok what part of FOOLS and Canadians doesnt that site cover....:confused:

That's what I thought.

[Brodie Bruce]

I noticed that lognsoldcigar offered absoulutely no evidence to back up his rantings. I enjoyed that.

[The Lizard]

Well first off I think some of you guys need to not jump at Exalted's trollish baitings so quickly.

Second, the Bonobo chimps are a scientific fact- I've seen videos of them---- HOWEVER--

What has NOT been proven is WHY the chimps mimic heterosexual behavior with members of the same sex. I say "mimic", because the bonobos do NOT technically have "sex" with members of the same sex (meaning the males might make humping motions behind each other, but they don't have actual anal sex). The females occasionally "grind" against each other's pelvises.

Do the monkeys do this to prolong mating season? To prolong the female's estrus (in heat) period? Boredom? Who knows?
That they perform these acts is a fact, but claiming that Bonobos are "gay" is presumtuous.

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Well first off I think some of you guys need to not jump at Exalted's trollish baitings so quickly.

Second, the Bonobo chimps are a scientific fact- I've seen videos of them---- HOWEVER--

What has NOT been proven is WHY the chimps mimic heterosexual behavior with members of the same sex. I say "mimic", because the bonobos do NOT technically have "sex" with members of the same sex (meaning the males might make humping motions behind each other, but they don't have actual anal sex). The females occasionally "grind" against each other's pelvises.

Do the monkeys do this to prolong mating season? To prolong the female's estrus (in heat) period? Boredom? Who knows?
That they perform these acts is a fact, but claiming that Bonobos are "gay" is presumtuous.

never claimed they are gay. I just pointed out they exist, and perhaps (as we are big chimps, we are evolced primates) its natural behaviour in us too. and he took a lot of exception, and even denied they exist....and hell, jumping at his posts is fun..he makes me laff.

[Max Shrek]

I AM SPARA- I MEAN SASQUASH!

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
I noticed that lognsoldcigar offered absoulutely no evidence to back up his rantings. I enjoyed that.

I assume you refer to :

I think Bigfoot is a hairy alien. Not all aliens are gonna be beautiful green women that say "show me some more of this thing that you call kissing", or "Why do you call it a blow job when i must not blow"

so there you are. Bigfoot and the Yeti are both aliens from the planet hairy shoulders (or they could be greek fishermen), and nessie exists.

Have you ever seen a green alien woman? ever snogged one? been noshed by one?
I doubt it. so therefore, logic suggests that there are other alien types.and i think bigfoot and the yeti fit the bill. i do have proof however:
SETI: Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence
YETI: Yes, im an Extra Terrestrial Intelligence.

need i say more? :o

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by The Exalted
Only a fool or a Canadian would believe in such obvious Fiction.... Which fiction is it that you speak of Exalted? I'm only interested in the truth, that which can be experienced and known.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by logansoldcigar
SETI: Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence
YETI: Yes, im an Extra Terrestrial Intelligence.



That's awesome. :D

[Truthteller]

I have personally observed deer as described here...


Deer Kills and Bigfoots
by Matt M.
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The first time I saw a deer kill stash was in November of 1992 while I was investigating a cluster of bigfoot reports near the border of Stark and Carroll Counties in Ohio. A handful of incidents happened near a group of farmhouses in a large tract of 50 year old second growth forest situated on reclaimed strip mines.

The first sighting involved a local bow hunter who was out hunting at dusk. He had shadowed a herd of 15 or so deer through the woods for a few hours. Just after sundown, he laid down at the edge of a field where the deer typically grouped together at night. Part of the herd was browsing, just out of bow range, in the field . He laid there for some time, sitting motionless, waiting for a buck to wander within range, when the whole herd suddenly fled into the tree line across from his position. Turning to his right, he saw what the deer were running from.

A large, upright, walking animal had snuck up to the edge of the tree line, apparently trying to approach the herd. The creature emerged from the tree line and saw the bow hunter about ten meters away. It let out a high-pitched screaming wail, described by the hunter as being far louder than any scream that any human could make. It screamed repeatedly four or five times, moved back inside the tree line where it briefly made a stomping sound, then moved back deeper into the trees. The hunter ran to the house of his friend, who lived nearby.

From that day forward, the residents of this house were more observant of the surrounding fields and tree lines.

A few days after the bow hunter's incident, his friend, Mike, while sitting in his kitchen, noticed that the entire deer herd was feeding close to the house. He sat at a table and watched the herd through the kitchen window for some time. As the deer browsed quietly, the owner heard a knocking sound coming from a wooded hillside overlooking the field with the deer. The knocking sound, which sounded like a piece of wood being hit against a tree trunk, was answered a moment later by a similar knocking sound coming from a wooded slope closer to his house. A moment after that, from the first hill, he reported hearing a short, loud, growling roar. In response, the deer herd bolted in panic toward the closer tree line -- at the base of the slope from where the answering knock had been heard.

The following day Mike decided to take a walk in the woods with his dog. He hiked up the nearby slope to a gated dirt road leading to a water tank back in the woods. As he walked along that drive he found a couple of manlike footprints, 14" x 6", very clearly imprinted in the mud on the edge of the road. He continued up the road to the water tank with his dog. Once at the tank, his dog wandered into the trees. Mike followed. The dog led him to what appeared to be the recently killed carcass of a young deer.

Mike continued to look around and found two more young deer carcasses. Each of the deer had at least one of its legs broken. These fractures were very noticeable as the limbs were violently twisted and contorted. The semi-frozen carcasses were otherwise basically intact (they had been nibbled on by small animals), there were no bullet or bolt wounds, and there was no other major trauma except for around the belly, which had been ripped open. The deer's intestines were still attached but had been pulled out of the belly and left in a pile along side the belly.

Over the next few days the owner, his wife, and other neighbors also noticed these same inexplicable knocking sounds emanating from the woods at various times of the day and night. Within a week the neighbors noticed that the deer herd had apparently moved out of the area. This coincided with a cessation of the knocking sounds...

The rest of the story is here: http://www.bfro.net/AVEVID/MJM/deerkills.asp

[Truthteller]

When the owner met me the following week he was able to take me to the deer carcasses, which were more eaten by that point, but not pulled apart. The broken legs were still very visible.

Mike asked me if bigfoots attack deer. I told him what I knew at that stage -- I had read bigfoot books and reports for years, I had met and corresponded with dozens of bigfoot researchers, but never read or heard anything like that. Everything in print basically repeated the "nuts, berries, roots, and occasional opportunistic scavenging" assumption. Nowhere was there any suggestion of predatory behavior. Frankly, the thought of it conflicted with my impression of bigfoots as harmless woodland foragers. Resisting the possibility that these creatures, whatever they were, were out brutalizing Bambi, I asked him (and, thereafter, anybody who might shed light on it) if there was anything in nature or human activity that might explain it. Do farmers illegally cull deer herds this way -- by targeting baby deer? Do Ohio poachers typically trespass so close to farmhouses, several days in a row, and go after young deer without antlers, and carry the carcasses to one area, and partially gut them, but then leave the whole behind mess behind to rot? Are stray dogs known to carry road kills back to one spot, then open the belly and pull out the guts, then not eat the guts but leave the rest of the flesh intact? Could some pollutant or disease in the environment cause only young deer to drop dead all in one area? If so, then how did their legs get broken, and what other carnivores came along and got into their bellies without dismembering the body as they usually do? Do bears do this? Do cougars do this? What else is out there?

As I subsequently learned, cougars and bears operate much the same way with deer kills. They drag the kills to the nearest suitable sheltered spot and partially bury them with leaves and/or dirt. They'll feed on the remains until they're full, then "lay up" nearby until they're hungry again. They'll keep returning to the same kill until it's either completely devoured or too "ripe" to eat. In the dry regions out west cougars will occasionally wait alongside trails leading to watering holes. Over time a cougar may end up killing several deer in the same general area near a watering hole, but these kills will not be found piled up or collected in a stash. Cougars will concentrate on one kill at a time, and the conditions of the carcasses show obvious signs of a large carnivore's feeding. When cougars are feeding their offspring they regurgitate the remains back at the den unless it's small game.

In December of 1992, a different farmer in Guernsey County, 60 miles to the south of this first deer kill stash, reported seeing and hearing what he described as more than one bigfoot, located near his home, over the course of a few weeks. When I came to check it out, I found him to be a very credible old Mennonite farmer. His house was perched on top of a plateau near the edge of a steep slope that formed the wall of a creek valley. The creek was one of the larger feeder creeks flowing into Salt Fork Lake. I asked him about the activity and its consistency, and about the possibility of staking out his property when the visitors returned. The farmer told me the activity happened only intermittently, and it only happened at night, and he hadn't heard or seen anything for a week or so.

During our first meeting he asked me, "Do these things kill deer?" I answered, with a bit of a shudder I'm sure, "Uhhh ... why do you ask?" He proceeded to tell me how he kept finding young dead deer down by the creek. The deer hadn't been shot and his family had lived in that county for generations and had never known any animal to kill and collect deer like that. He was puzzled why some of their legs were broken and twisted around.

My wife and I returned to the Guernsey County farmer's place a few days later to look around. Following the farmer's directions, we looked for some deer kills on our own. We soon came upon a kill in the creek bottom and spent some time examining it before enduring too many cuts from the briars.

This young deer was in substantially the same condition as those in Stark County when they were first discovered -- semi-frozen (nighttime temperatures in eastern Ohio are typically well below freezing from November to March), only nibbled on by small animals, guts hanging out, broken and twisted leg, no bullet wounds.

My wife is an M.D., the daughter of two veterinarians, and the granddaughter of a zoo curator. She has a much stronger stomach than I when it comes to stinking animal carcasses. It wasn't long before she noticed something curious as she closely probed the open belly. The liver was gone. The liver is a rather large, dark reddish-brown organ sandwiched between the rib cage and the intestines. Carnivores don't typically go for the liver first, or at least the liver only, and it did not appear that a human was responsible; the wound that opened up the belly was not a clean cut, as with a sharp knife. In fact, the wound looked similar to those on the other deer carcasses I'd seen in Stark County, as if it had been cut open with something dull.

The impression my wife got was that the predator merely wanted to open the belly, move the intestines out of the way, lift up the rib cage, and remove the liver in its entirety. We looked around and found another carcass on top of a large rock outcropping, which the farmer had described, then another at the base. We checked both, and both of the livers were gone. It was truly a spooky sight.

In the summer of 1993 I met up with a witness near Wills Creek in Coshocton County, about 10 miles northwest of the Guernsey County farmer's place. The witness was a retired machinist from Cleveland who had permanently relocated to his cabin in Coshocton County. He was well known in the area because he built a statue depicting the bigfoot he had encountered, and even posted a sign in front of his cabin proclaiming it "SASQUATCH VALLEY."

He said that while he was out hunting in the fall, he followed some paths back into the more remote uninhabited hollows of the Wills Creek area, a few miles from his cabin. He followed a deer trail to a cave like overhang. Inside the overhang, he found a collection of severed deer legs. The rest of the remains were not present. The deer legs on the floor of the cave were neatly arranged side by side.

He sat down and rested and was there for a while before it happened -- the sasquatch returned to the cave. The old guy was paralyzed with terror as he sat there staring at this hair covered thing which stood motionless, staring back at him from a few yards away, at the lip of the overhang. Eventually the old man stood up and slowly climbed out the other side of the cave's wide mouth. The sasquatch didn't chase after him.

In the fall of 1993, I followed up on a flap near Berlin Lake, Ohio. Several reported sightings occurred in that area in October. A Portage County sheriff's deputy who had investigated one of the sightings told me about a find made near the lake by wildlife officers a few years earlier. Several deer carcasses were found close together near the edge of the lake. They had been "mutilated." Other than that, the deputy didn't know any specifics regarding the conditions of the remains. He said that poachers had been ruled out, which evidently indicated that no bullet wounds were observed, and that there was no official explanation or further investigation. "Devil worshippers" was mentioned as a possible explanation.

That winter I was contacted by an acquaintance from the Berlin area who had found the carcass of a young deer on the edge of field a mile or so north of the lake. The carcass had been there for a while by the time I arrived. This one was frozen solid and partially submerged in a puddle which was solid ice, preventing me from poking around in its belly to see if the liver was missing. However, the guts were along side it just like the others. The deer was otherwise in one piece. I spoke with a man whose house sat about 100 meters from this kill. I asked if he had ever seen cougars or bears in the area. He hadn't. The only thing unusual was his wife's observation, a week before, of what looked like a large man's footprints in the snow close to their barn. They didn't know what to make of it, because from the tracks, it appeared the trespasser wasn't wearing any shoes, despite the snow and sub-zero temperatures.

In the summer of 1994, I focused exclusively on one location in Columbiana County. Several residents in the area had contacted me with sighting reports extending back to the mid-1980's. I (and the family on whose property I had set up recording equipment) was experimenting with various techniques to attract and videotape the bigfoot the family had repeatedly seen and heard. Here I obtained recordings of the unexplained sounds that appeared to fit the descriptions of vocalizations attributed to bigfoots, both in Ohio and the Pacific northwest.

It wasn't until late October that the family discovered the first of what would, over the course of a couple of weeks, add up to four young deer carcasses found in the woods near their house. I drove out to take a look at the first carcass and found it in the now familiar condition. Having by that point obtained good video equipment, I was able, and now thought it wise, to video tape this carcass, showing the broken legs and the cavity where the missing liver had been.

The BFRO's database includes an account from Auglaize County, Ohio, regarding bigfoot predation on deer. It reportedly took place in late October, 1974. In this case the bigfoot dropped the deer upon encountering a coon hunter, but as in the other situations, a leg had been broken. In fact, the hunter reported that the deer's back was also broken and that the leg was pulled out of its socket and nearly twisted off.

I've brought up the subject of deer related bigfoot sightings with a few bigfoot researchers in this area of the country over the course of the past few years. I heard about two reports from PA and one from WI. The one from WI (1994) came to me from my contact in Berlin, Ohio, and involved members of his own family. They were driving through central WI on their way home from visiting the family in Berlin. At some point in central WI (they weren't sure of the county), while driving at night in a wooded area, they came close to colliding with a bigfoot, as they described it, crossing the road with the body of a young deer slung over its shoulder.

A similar report came from Washington County, PA; a group of people in a car saw a bigfoot crossing a road with a deer slung over its shoulder (I'm not sure of the year here; this and the following account came from Joan Jeffers, a well known PA bigfoot researcher).

The other PA incident involved a hunter who had shot a deer. He got his deer ready for gutting by hanging it from a branch, but left it for a few moments to go to his car to gather the tools needed to gut and prepare it for transport. When he returned to where he had left the deer, it was gone. He stated that a trail of blood and large bigfoot tracks led away from the place where the deer had been left hanging. As I recall, he said that he had been gone for such a short period of time that the culprit must have been watching him the whole time.

During a conversation in 1994 with former radio talk show host Chris Roth (who hosted a weekly UFO oriented program called "In Advance of The Landing" on station WHPK, the University of Chicago radio station), I mentioned the finds of deer carcass stashes in connection with bigfoot sighting reports in Ohio. His friend and cohost immediately brought up a report of a similar find in Illinois where several "mutilated" deer carcasses where found "stacked" in a forest, which he recalled as being the Shawnee National Forest. The discovery had circulated among local UFO buffs in order to inquire about possible UFO correlations. Roth didn't think there was a correlation with UFO's. The only thing comparable were the well publicized reports of unexplained "cattle mutilations," but those cases involved, without exception, according to Roth, high-tech surgical procedures and dissections believed to have been done with a laser or something like it. The Illinois "stacked, mutilated deer" case went unexplained, but, once again, "devil worshippers" came up as a possibility.

However, bigfoot predation on deer does not appear to be an exclusively midwestern occurrence. For example, the BFRO is aware of such reports from New England, Texas, and Oklahoma. In an article by Washington state bigfoot researcher Vance Orchard titled "Report from Walla Walla - February 1995" (The Bigfoot Co-op Newsletter (BCONL), Vol.15, Feb.'95) he talks about the major WA flap of early '95 in the Blue Mountains. The incident is referred to as the "Bigfoot of the Blues" affair, which, among other things, involved the discovery of "thousands of tracks" in the Mill Creek - Scenic Loop - Meinera/Coyote roads vicinity. One of the investigators was a man named Dave Been. He was a member of the Freeman crew, and I think he was part of the group that brought in some possible sasquatch hairs. Orchard writes, "It had been the contention of Been's for some time now that a grove of firs on the creek could be a Bigfoot mecca. He says he has found several kills of deer, probably made by cougars, and stashed in a brushy area. 'A Bigfoot could spend a day or two in there if there's a kill or two for it to feed on.'" Orchard or Been can still consult with any expert on cougars to find out that cougars do not collect multiple, uneaten deer carcasses. They eat 'em one at at time, and they don't usually drag them too far from where they kill them.

In another article by Orchard titled "On the Trail - Journal of a Researcher" (BCONL, Vol.16, June '95) he talks about a conversation with woman "in her 80's" who grew up and spent her entire life in upper Coppei region of the Blue Mountains: "She opened the conversation by observing that a comment I'd made in a recent Bigfoot report, about Bigfoots possibly eating deer killed by a cougar, would prove a point she remembered about her childhood days on the upper Coppei. There, at Coppei Falls, she said, Bigfoots reputedly would chase elk and run them over the brink of the falls. Then, at the base of the cliff, the critters could pack off the elk at their leisure. When I reminded her that early American mankind had used the same tactic to kill off thousands of buffalo, she felt certain the old stories were true."

http://www.bfro.net/AVEVID/MJM/deerkills.asp

[Scarlet spidey]

Does Sasquatch be real?
Well thought sentance this is not being?

[Truthteller]

Why the liver?

Some people have expressed doubts that a predator would go to the trouble of hunting down a deer just to get at the liver, ignoring the rest of the flesh. It's difficult to quantify how much energy it takes to hunt a deer. A lot depends on the style of hunting. An intelligent strategy could minimize the chase and the overall effort. Logically, it would be easier to chase or trap a younger deer, especially if two predators were hunting cooperatively. It would also be much easier to carry a smaller deer back to a particular location, perhaps some distance away from the kill site. Nor would it be a waste time to focus on the liver exclusively. You won't find much else in the natural flora and fauna of North America that's a more profitable score than a deer's liver. Of all the parts of any large animal -- the muscles, the intestines, etc. -- the liver provides far and away the best pay off. It's no small catch. The liver is one of the largest organs in the gut. Even a juvenile deer's liver, if rolled into a ball, would take up nearly as much space as a bowling ball. In terms of nutrients, particularly in the fall and winter, an exclusive diet of deer liver could easily sustain something like a bigfoot until spring. The only thing that would provide a better exclusive and natural diet to get through the snowy season would be the liver of a larger ungulate, like a moose, elk or a bison, but only because there's more of it to eat.

Here's what a deer's liver provides:

Fresh raw deer liver contains substantial amounts of every vitamin necessary for life, particularly those which would become naturally depleted during the fall and winter.

Deer liver contains very substantial amounts of vitamin A, which is crucial for a nocturnal animal's ability to see in dark, and

it is equally crucial for the thickening of skin as in callous formation (through a process called keratinization). There's so much vitamin A in a deer's liver, in fact, that if a bigfoot were to live on an exclusive diet of deer liver all year round for many years it could eventually suffer from vitamin A poisoning, but that wouldn't happen over the course of the fall and winter seasons.

About 90% of all cholesterol produced in an animal is produced in the liver. Cholesterol is the building block for hormones.

Of all the organs, the liver dumps the highest amount of proteins into the blood. When this great repository of protein is eaten and digested the proteins get broken down into amino acids, which are then used as the raw materials to build new proteins and enzymes.

The liver is also primary repository for glycogen. Glycogen molecules are basically ready to use energy storage molecules formed by giant clusters of glucose molecules. In the digestion process these glycogen molecules get broken down and absorbed as glucose which can be used by the muscles and other tissues, such as brain cells, or can be rebuilt into ready to use energy storage molecules in the predator's own liver.

The liver stores tremendous amounts of lipids, another excellent calorie source.

On top of all this nutritional value, a liver is relatively easy to remove from a carcass. It's soft, and easily eaten (masticated) and digested. It would be a natural choice, perhaps even the exclusive choice, for a large primate -- an animal not equipped with the sharp teeth of a carnivore.

In terms of the work/gain equation, a bigfoot's habit of going after several livers and ignoring the raw muscles attached to the bone would be (does it surprise you?) the most efficient use of its energy in fall and winter.
It would seem logical that the overpopulation of deer in Ohio in the early 1990's, the worst on record, may be a factor contributing to the number of deer kill stashes found in this state as opposed to others. The important part about being aware of this deer predation behavior is that it will, I predict, make it easier to locate groups of bigfoots in the future. If the public is made aware of it, it is much more likely that people will find, report, and photograph something like deer kill stashes rather than bigfoots themselves. Government employees may also find it easier to talk about deer kill stashes. Records might be kept of these finds, and government agencies might be more likely to release this sort of information because it is not quite so politically tainted.

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Questions Submitted about this Article
Question: In some cases you mentioned that these deer would lie around dead, virtually intact except for the missing livers. How is this possible? Why didn't scavengers take the rest?

Answer: Scavengers eventually did take the rest, but it took at least a few days because of the freezing temperatures. The fact that these carcasses were at least partially frozen made it possible for people to notice the kills before too much damage was done by scavengers.

http://www.bfro.net/AVEVID/MJM/deerkills.asp

[PALADIN]

Actually,I believe that the Sasquatch is high probability smarter than Humans....there is no evidence that Bigfoot has Nuclear Weapons that I`ve ever heard of,anyway.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Grey Fyre
LMAO
p.s. is "Lizard thing" anything like a Man-Thing? :)

You'd have to ask Kirsten Dunst that question.

As long as it not like "Man-Thong" (...Lizard-Thong? ew.)

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
I noticed that lognsoldcigar offered absoulutely no evidence to back up his rantings. I enjoyed that.

sorry, I meant the exalted

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Scarlet spidey
Does Sasquatch be real?
Well thought sentance this is not being?

LOL, point was the that

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
sorry, I meant the exalted

dont worry...gave me the chance to get in a gag i hadnt thought of.

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by logansoldcigar
quote:
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Originally posted by logansoldcigar
Thats a dangerous way to go. If i replaced Canadians with "BlacK people" in that statement......thats why the statement is prejudiced.
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then you :



ohhhh, so if i knew some black people believed in Bigfoot, and i said:

Black People believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....

Fools believe in the Big Foot Dude...TRUTH....


I would not be directly implying that black people are fools, especially if, in a previous post i had said:

Only a fool or a Black Person would believe in such obvious Fiction....

please explain to me how a statement such as that, which specifically mentions a race or skin color, with the direct implication they are fools is not prejudiced?
and if you do, ill apologise for questioning you and bow down to your superior intellect.

LOL first of all just like lizard said its pretty clear that Im joking...

I love Canada...I vacation there almost every summer. Secondly....when

has Canada ever been a race....That my British friend is well Stupid to

say it best. So yes Logan BOW, yes BOW to my superior intellect.

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by Truthteller
Which fiction is it that you speak of Exalted? I'm only interested in the truth, that which can be experienced and known.

Darn Double T I forgot you believed in Big Foot...Well in that case I stand

corrected and take back my statement. I was merly stating that Man is always

trying to look for other things when what they need to see and "discover"

is right in front of there eyes.

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by The Exalted
LOL first of all just like Vibe said its pretty clear that Im joking...

I love Canada...I vacation there almost every summer. Secondly....when

has Canada ever been a race....That my British friend is well Stupid to

say it best. So yes Logan BOW, yes BOW to my superior intellect.
Canadians have been a race since canada was a country. In the same way the British are a race and the same way that the Kenyans are a race.Races aint just seperated by skin pigment.
and a prejudiced statement, joking or not, is still prejudiced sonny.

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by logansoldcigar
Canadians have been a race since canada was a country. In the same way the British are a race and the same way that the Kenyans are a race.Races aint just seperated by skin pigment.
and a prejudiced statement, joking or not, is still prejudiced sonny.

British are a RACE...HA I Laugh at that statement that in itself is Foolish....

I think you gotta double check that one logan....because Now Im thinking

that the British need to look up racism....Uh oh Im being prejudice again.

[logansoldcigar]

Originally posted by The Exalted
British are a RACE...HA I Laugh at that statement that in itself is Foolish....

I think you gotta double check that one logan....because Now Im thinking

that the British need to look up racism....Uh oh Im being prejudice again.
so what are you saying? that race is and can only be dictated by color? dont you think thats a wee bit simplistic? from dictionary.com...check out point 2, or look it up yerself.

race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.
1)A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2)A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3)A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.
5)Biology.
a)An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b)A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6)A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

[Scarlet spidey]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
LOL, point was the that A funney, you have made:)

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Scarlet spidey
A funney, you have made:)

Pale Comparison You to I In

[STINK-E]

Just recently some guy got busted where I live for putting on a Bigfoot costume and terrorizing the neighborhood. He was 7'4" and mildly retarded. He killed 2 hunting dogs and badly injured another. True story.

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by The Exalted
Darn Double T I forgot you believed in Big Foot...Well in that case I stand

corrected and take back my statement. I was merly stating that Man is always

trying to look for other things when what they need to see and "discover"

is right in front of there eyes. OK... good point. ;)

But just to make my position clear; I do not think that a "leap of faith" is needed, regarding the existence of Sasquatch or anything else for that matter, including God. I simply go by direct experience and empirical observation. So its not a question of if I "believe in" Sasquatch or not. I find some of the evidence compelling enough to not rule it's existence out at this point.

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by STINK-E
Just recently some guy got busted where I live for putting on a Bigfoot costume and terrorizing the neighborhood. He was 7'4" and mildly retarded. He killed 2 hunting dogs and badly injured another. True story. :eek: Wow!

I find that interesting from a folklore perspective. Can you tell me what region you are in and/or give a reference to this case. Or PM me if you prefer. :)

[Scarlet spidey]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
Pale Comparison You to I In ha ha lol:D

[Cyclops]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man

Try and tell me that's not being prejudice against Canadians. Just TRY IT!! You're calling us all fools, plain and simple. If you can't see that you need your head examined.

Just get rid of him. Nobody likes him, so it's not like you're gonna get hell for it. You'll get a few pats on the back, probably...

[Truthteller]

I was familar with the woodcut but not the text.

A Medieval Sasquatch
by Dr. W. Henner Fahrenbach
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http://www.bfro.net/legends/Burgkmair_small.jpg

"Fight in the Forest" , a woodcut by Hans Burgkmair (1473-1531).
By approximation, the giant measures about 7' 3" in height with a 14" foot.

The twelfth century saw the flowering of the troubadours in France and the Minnesänger in Germany, Among these, Chrétien de Troyes (ca. 1140-1190) wrote an epic "Yvain", which was recomposed in Old High German by Hartmann von Aue (ca. 1165-1210) in about 1190 as the Celtic Arthurian epic "Iwein" (pronounced "ee-vine"). In the introductory section of this rhymed poem of over 8,000 lines, a knight by name of Kalogrenant recounts an excursion he made for the sake of "âventiure", in which the following events transpired.

Kalogrenant was riding through the wilderness of the Bretagne, an area of dense, swampy forests in northwestern France, when he came upon a clearing, in which a battle between several Wisent (Bison europaeus) and Auerochs (Bos primgenius, extinct since the 17th century) was raging. His somewhat unknightly fright was allayed when he saw a man sitting among the animals. Here follows the original text in Middle High German and my translation into English, which is kept as close to the literal meaning as possible. < NOTE: see reference link for full German text >

There I saw a man sitting
right among all of them:
that caused my mind to be reassured.
But when I came closer
and could really observe him,
I was very frightened of him
as of the animals, if not more so.
His human appearance
was above all monstrous
He looked like a moor,
large and so frightful
that nobody would believe it.
Truly, his head was
bigger than an Aueroch's.
This brute had
unkempt and dirty hair:
It was dense and completely felted up
on the skin of his head
and in his beard,
his face was about an ell wide,
lined with large wrinkles.
There were also his ears
like those of a forest troll,
overgrown as if by moss
With hair the length of a span,
Wide as a pan.
This hulking man had
long, scruffy and gray
beard hair and eyebrows.
His nose was a big as an ox's
short, wide, and nowhere bare.
His face lean and flat
- Oh, how frightful he looked -
his eyes red, angry-looking.
His mouth stretched
in both directions
across his cheeks.
He had strong teeth,
like a boar, not like a man:
out of the door of his mouth
they stuck out,
long, sharp, large and broad.
His head was put on him such
that his rough chin
seemed to be grown to his chest.
His back was curved up,
hunched and bent outward.
He wore peculiar clothes:
two pelts he had put on:
these he had just then
pulled off two animals.
He carried a very large club,
which made me unsettled that close to him.

Kalogrenant subsequently asks him if he means harm, but the answer is "If you don't harm me, I will be a friend" and a short conversation ensues before Kalogrenant departs. Other giants appear subsequently in the epic, but they are described as being simply large armed men with no unusual attributes other than their size.

The translation allows for many alternatives in the pertinent Middle High German dictionaries:

9) - wilde: wild, monstrous, sinister, unearthly, dreadful, creepy.
10) - Môre: moor = generic term for any black-skinned African.
11) - eislîch: terrible, repulsive, horrible.
15) - gebûre: word with negative connotation - lout.
16) - ruozvar: dirty, also sooty black.
20) - ellen: length of a forearm, roughly two feet.
23) - walttôren: German: Waldschrat = forest troll, hermit, hairy forest giant.
25) - span: the width of a spread hand, about 9 inches.

The description of this creature has aspects rather diagnostic of sasquatches: Black skin color, hairiness, head set low on its shoulders, hunched posture. Noteworthy are the ambivalent terms with which the "monster" is referred to here and subsequently: Man, human appearance, brute, monster (G.: Ungeheuer), creature (generally reserved for animals), but also deferentially as "Sir" ("Herre"), when the knight asks him to keep the animals off his back. Needless to say, it is a dramatic description but one that deviates markedly from the run-of-the-mill giants mentioned elsewhere in the epic and may, in fact, be the first verbal description of one of the then-surviving hominids in Central Europe.

I am indebted to Peter Loughlin of Cotati, California, for pointing out the existence of this text.

-- Dr. W. Henner Fahrenbach
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Copyright © 2003 BFRO.net

http://www.bfro.net/legends/Iwein.asp

[kritic]

Holy crap that IS interesting. Great find TT!

[The Lizard]

Ja, that's pretty cool, I must say.

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by kritic
Holy crap that IS interesting. Great find TT! Originally posted by The Lizard
Ja, that's pretty cool, I must say. Thanks guys. :D Here's some more. :)


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Pre-Columbian and Early American Legends of Bigfoot-like Beings

Siouan-Yuchi http://www.bfro.net/legends/images/minimap_f03.gif

Contemporary Lakota Folklore and Legend

"My travels with Indians began some years ago with the discovery that most traditional communities in North America know of a messenger who appears in evil times as a warning from the Creator that man's disrespect for His sacred instructions has upset the harmony and balance of existence; some say that the messenger comes in sign of a great destroying fire that will purify the world of the disruption and pollution of earth air, water, and all living things. He has strong spirit powers and sometimes takes the form of a huge hairy man; in recent years this primordial being has appeared near Indian communities from the northern Plains states to far northern Alberta and throughout the Pacific Northwest.
--Peter Mathiessen, Introduction, p xxiii.
"There's a lot going on up in that country now," said Archie Fire, referring not only to the threat to the Great Plains from widespread mining but to recent appearances of the big hairy man at Little Eagle, on the Standing Rock Reservation, who came in sign, some people said, of those days at the world's end "when the moon will turn red and the sun will turn blue" and the Lakota people will resume their place at the center of existence"
--Archie Fire, Introduction, xxv-xxvi
"Turtle Mountain was among the many Indian communities that had been visited in recent years by the "Rugaru", as the Ojibway call the hairy man who appears in symptom of danger or psychic disruption in the community. Mary's son Richard talked a little about the appearance of these beings in recent years to Lakota people at Little Eagle, South Dakota. "There were just too many sightings down there to ignore. I mean, a lot of people saw it. Around here, we didn't have many reports; most of them were right here where we live now." He waved his hand to indicate the woods outside, where I camped that night along the lake edge."
--Peter Mathiessen, Introduction, p xxvii
"A few weeks before, the big, hairy man had appeared in Little Eagle for the third straight year, and more than forty people had seen him. "I think that the Big Man is kind of the husband of Unk-ksa, the Earth, who is wise in the way of anything with its own natural wisdom. Sometimes we say that this One is a kind of big reptile from the ancient times, who can take a big, hairy form: I also think he can change into a coyote. He is very powerful. Some of the people who saw him did not respect what they were seeing, they did not honor him, and they are already gone."
--Joe Flying By, Introduction, xxix-xxx
"We've come to an age where we should know better what we are doing," Pete Catches resumed softly, in a silence that followed some meditations on the Big Man, who was trying to save mankind, he said, from the great cataclysm the Indian people knew was coming. "We must now try to understand what is wrong with us, why we have to tamper with and change the forests and the land. We have done this too long--not us, but the white man. Let's not walk on the moon, then fail to understand what this Creation is all about. This is life, this is beautiful, everything is the way it should be."
--Ogala Lakota Medicine Man Pete Catches, Introduction, p xxxviii.
"On the early morning of June 25, Jean Bordeaux, Norman Brown, and Jimmy Zimmerman were sitting up late, down by the creek. 'Maybe around three or four o'clock,' Jean says, 'not long before the sun, we heard something very big walking in the creek. It wasn't any animal, either, and it wasn't like somebody tossing in big rocks; it was plunk-plunk-plunk, like that, big steady steps. Zimmerman was so scared he just ran off, he wanted to wake up Joe, because him and Joe was living in one tent. Norman Brown said it was the Big Man, and that his people over in Arizona knew all about it, but we were all too scared to go down there and look.' In the evening of that day huge dark thunderheads gathered over the Black Hills, followed by wild angry winds and lashing rain that caused property damaged all over the western part of South Dakota.
--Mathiessen, The U.S. Puppet Government, p 149.

The rest is here: http://www.bfro.net/legends/siouanyuchi.htm

[Onimar Synn]

Discovery Channel aired a special a few months ago about this, and they used some scientific methods I had never applied to this subject before. They had an expert on mammalian movement examine a supposed film of a Bigfoot, after having a professional runner retrace the exact route and feeding the whole thing into a computer. Then they got an audio expert that examined purported tape of the animal, a fingerprint expert, a computer modeler, and a few more that I forget.

Every single one of them said they thought it was highly likely that this was evidence of a North American Great Ape.

I may have to write to TDC and see if I can get a copy of that show, because it was a far cry from most of the decades old stuff that they show about the Bigfoot phenomenon.

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by Onimar Synn
Discovery Channel aired a special a few months ago about this, and they used some scientific methods I had never applied to this subject before. They had an expert on mammalian movement examine a supposed film of a Bigfoot, after having a professional runner retrace the exact route and feeding the whole thing into a computer. Then they got an audio expert that examined purported tape of the animal, a fingerprint expert, a computer modeler, and a few more that I forget.

Every single one of them said they thought it was highly likely that this was evidence of a North American Great Ape.

I may have to write to TDC and see if I can get a copy of that show, because it was a far cry from most of the decades old stuff that they show about the Bigfoot phenomenon. http://www.bfro.net/LMS/images/SLMS-Logo.jpg

You can find it on DVD and videotape right here: ;)
http://www.bfro.net/LMS/LMS.asp

[Onimar Synn]

Hey, that's great! Thanks!

I had missed like the fist five minutes of it so I didn't remember the title.

You're pretty smart for an old guy...;)

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by Onimar Synn
Hey, that's great! Thanks!

I had missed like the fist five minutes of it so I didn't remember the title.

You're pretty smart for an old guy...;) I'm not that old yet! Just a little older than most here at the Hype. ;)

[Onimar Synn]

Originally posted by Truthteller
I'm not that old yet! Just a little older than most here at the Hype. ;)

And most likely not even as old as I am. Being in my late thirties, I know I'm older than most here. Except of course for Palladin. He's REALLY old. :)

[The Exalted]

Originally posted by Cyclops
Just get rid of him. Nobody likes him, so it's not like you're gonna get hell for it. You'll get a few pats on the back, probably...

LOL yeah get rid of me....And you call yourself a american Cyclops....

how foolish of you.....:mad:

[Truthteller]

Bigfoot Encounter in Northern California
© 2003 by Linda Moulton Howe

There are underground tunnels at the Carmack mine beyond Portola
close to where Sandy Lund and her family have camped nearly every year since the mid-1960s.
In 1974, Sandy, her niece and nephew came face-to-face with an 8 to 10 foot tall Bigfoot.
Then a decade later near the same place, she and her brother were terrified by loud, angry screams
from an unidentified creature that remained in the shadows beyond the camp fire.

May 19, 2003 Reno, Nevada - Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti, Yowi, Skunk Ape - whatever the name around the world - for centuriees people from China to Australia to North America have reported seeing tall, hairy humanoids. I've interviewed dozens of eyewitnesses and even traveled to Laos a couple of years ago with a Discovery Channel television crew on the trail of what the Laotians and Vietnamese call "wild men." See 07-07-02 Earthfiles. We heard lots of stories, but never got close to one - as Sandy Lund of Reno, Nevada did once when she was a teenager camping at the Carmac mine beyond Portola in northern California national forests.

The year was 1974 and the time was 7:30 in the morning. She was walking with her niece and nephew along the fast moving West Fork of the Yuba River. To the left was a steep mountain wall of sheer, slippery rock. Here is Sandy Lund's story about what happened next.

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Interview:

Sandy Lund, Drug Addiction Counselor, Reno, Nevada: "What I noticed when we got half way down a little mound was this tree branch maybe 10 or 15 feet at the very most waving really a lot, out of context with the rest of the trees. I was looking for a big giant bird because it seemed like that's what would make it wave like that. I'm looking and that's when I seen this face like peeking around the tree looking straight at me. It scared me so bad I just froze. I was just frozen because this face was like a gorilla face. Then the body _ I seen it all the way down to about the chest at first because it was leaning out around the tree like to spy on us.

Then my niece seen it and grabbed me. I told them, 'Don't move!' because I didn't know if this animal was going to attack us and I knew, I was taught early never to run from an animal. So, I just froze. I held in one hand the stomach of my nephew to stop him and then my niece. She grabbed the back of me and was crying. I said, 'Just be quiet and don't move.'

I'm watching him and he's just watching us standing there looking at us for the longest time, a good minute! But it seemed like for eternity, I swear. I didn't know what to do. So, I stood there so long looking at him. Then I seen the rest of his body. He like showed the rest of his body and he was really skinny.

The rest is here: http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=531&category=Real+X-Files

[Scarlet spidey]

Sweet:D

[The Mad-Hatter]

Yes.

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by Onimar Synn
And most likely not even as old as I am. Being in my late thirties, I know I'm older than most here. Except of course for Palladin. He's REALLY old. :) We must be close to the same age...

[kritic]

I've seen this photo on several sites over the years, and the story ranges from "this is an alien" to "this is a decomposing guy in a ravine".

This is the supposed real story, edited a bit to make the English better:

Bashar writes, "This is a true story in Ras el Khaimah, United Arab Emerites. This picture has been released as a police report evidence in the UAE. The story is that a young man went in the caves in Ras el Khaimah to take pictures in caves known to be deserted, with a friend. He had been warned not to go. The person who had been with him called the police saying he had seen his friend's flash go off and then his friend screamed. He called his friend but never got an answer and got scared that he'd fallen so went to the police. A few hours later they found the man in the cave dead and the single picture found in his camera is this one.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/OddPics/Images/Cavedude.jpg

Cave Being? (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/CaveBeing.html)

[Xan-El]

"Does Sasquatch be real"...a buddy of mine took this pic a while ago...he thinks its bigfoot...you be the judge...
http://www.visi.com/~phantos/images/conpics_full/cv01d.jpg

[Yetti]

YES POPULARITY!!!!!:D

[Xan-El]

Originally posted by kritic
I've seen this photo on several sites over the years, and the story ranges from "this is an alien" to "this is a decomposing guy in a ravine".

This is the supposed real story, edited a bit to make the English better:

Bashar writes, "This is a true story in Ras el Khaimah, United Arab Emerites. This picture has been released as a police report evidence in the UAE. The story is that a young man went in the caves in Ras el Khaimah to take pictures in caves known to be deserted, with a friend. He had been warned not to go. The person who had been with him called the police saying he had seen his friend's flash go off and then his friend screamed. He called his friend but never got an answer and got scared that he'd fallen so went to the police. A few hours later they found the man in the cave dead and the single picture found in his camera is this one.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/OddPics/Images/Cavedude.jpg

Cave Being? (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/CaveBeing.html)

Thats crazy...Is that real?

[Yetti]

maybe .........maybe not.......

[Rasputin]

Oh, this takes me back.

[Yetti]

why......?

[Rasputin]

I made it.

[Yetti]

what .....the story or the photo.....

[Batman 5]

???????????????????????????????????????????

[Yetti]

that's what i'm saying......?????????????

[Rasputin]

the thread

[Yetti]

oooooooooooo......

[Bacchus009]

Originally posted by kritic
http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=40911
ha, I was just thinking of that


Does Bigfoot exist? Show me a body

[Yetti]

sorry I dont go that way.....

[kritic]

Anyone ever been to DIA? Some spooky ass **** (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html) going on there.

[kritic]

Some more itneresting links.

"bye" alien (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Shadow_Person.html)

"picnic" alien (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Spaceman.html)



Perhaps another species? You decide (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Shadow_Person.html)

[kritic]

I was amazed by this (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Races.html)

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by kritic
I was amazed by this (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Races.html)

I don't think anyone cares (htttp://www.nobodygivesa****.gov)

[kritic]

Look at this thread, then think about what you just posted.

[Johnny Blaze]

Some interesting tidbits you have here Truthteller.
Tell me, you have anything on the Skunk Ape? :)

[Johnny Blaze]

Forensic Expert Says Bigfoot is Real (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1023_031023_bigfoot.html)

I know I already posted this up in that Yeti thread that was around not to long ago, but since this is a Bigfoot thread...

These are the Myakka photographs that, supposedly depict a Skunk Ape. These are some very interesting photographs...

http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/MAPhotosm.jpg
http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/Myakka_ape2_closeup.jpg
http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/MAface1sm.jpg
http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/Myakka_Ape_digits1.jpg

And the head of the supposed Skunk Ape, compared to the head of a Sumatran Orangutan:
http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/SkunkApe-OrangComparison2.jpg

[Truthteller]

Originally posted by Johnny Blaze
Some interesting tidbits you have here Truthteller.
Tell me, you have anything on the Skunk Ape? :) Yes. I think that the best way to refer to the critter responsible for the sightings in the USA and Canada is the "North American Skunk Ape." It is likely an as yet fully realized species of primate. This would include the Sasquatch, Bigfoot, and other regional names. Its all the same species of critter. The sightings do not come only from the Pacific northwest as is the common knowledege, but from all over the continent. They typically have a strong smell, cone-like head and stringy hair. They seem to be similar to Orangatans, one of the Great Apes. There is likely a population of only several thousand in North America.

Look at the geographical database here: http://www.bfro.net/GDB/

[Johnny Blaze]

Nice link. I figured that Florida would have more sightings then 53...but, those are only reported ones, so... :o

[Xan-El]

This link, talks about some debri from the alien ship that crashed in Roswell in 1947 and shows a pic of some writing of what is supposed to be Alien writing on the debri...

Roswell Glyphs (http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Alien%20Writing/Roswell.html)

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I didn't want to start a new thread so for those of you that are upset I revived this one. shove it. I am not sure about BF, I want to think it is real, simply because there are plenty of animals that we have yet to discover and history even shows that we have discovered certain animals that we thought did not exist, or they had been extinct for centuries.

So it is plausable that BF is real, we just have no hard evidence yet.

[LastSunrise1981]

Forensic Expert Says Bigfoot is Real (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1023_031023_bigfoot.html)

I know I already posted this up in that Yeti thread that was around not to long ago, but since this is a Bigfoot thread...

These are the Myakka photographs that, supposedly depict a Skunk Ape. These are some very interesting photographs...

http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/MAPhotosm.jpg
http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/Myakka_ape2_closeup.jpg
http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/MAface1sm.jpg
http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/Myakka_Ape_digits1.jpg

And the head of the supposed Skunk Ape, compared to the head of a Sumatran Orangutan:
http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/SkunkApe-OrangComparison2.jpg

If I saw something like that during the night I'd piss my pants for sure.

On a serious side though? I believe that it exists and whether or not we find a body is complete conjecture, because even if a body is provided and is proven to be a real creature, critics and skeptics will say it's a person in a suit and he/she is just playing dead for publicity.

Either way you're in a no win situation. At this point and time though I'm still gather friends, equipment, and so forth to do our own search here in Sumter, South Carolina. We've found reports of apparent sightings of Bigfoot and all of which match-up with previous stories, now I don't know if the people are telling the truth, however, it appears that some of their stories seem sincere and very consistent with other Bigfoot reports too.

http://www.cryptozoology.com/cryptids/images/sasquatch01.jpg

I've this video millions of times and I definitely don't think it's a man in a suit. You notice that when it turns to look, it turns its whole body(Apes can't turn their heads like we can) and we as humans turn our heads first when we turn. So I do believe that it's a real creature and that it doesn't stay in one place, rather it's everywhere and migrates in different spots.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

That's the one the hoaxer admitted to on his death bed a few years ago.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

That's the one the hoaxer admitted to on his death bed a few years ago.


Ummm, are you thinking of the Loch Ness Monster?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

If I saw something like that during the night I'd piss my pants for sure.

On a serious side though? I believe that it exists and whether or not we find a body is complete conjecture, because even if a body is provided and is proven to be a real creature, critics and skeptics will say it's a person in a suit and he/she is just playing dead for publicity.

Either way you're in a no win situation. At this point and time though I'm still gather friends, equipment, and so forth to do our own search here in Sumter, South Carolina. We've found reports of apparent sightings of Bigfoot and all of which match-up with previous stories, now I don't know if the people are telling the truth, however, it appears that some of their stories seem sincere and very consistent with other Bigfoot reports too.

http://www.cryptozoology.com/cryptids/images/sasquatch01.jpg

I've this video millions of times and I definitely don't think it's a man in a suit. You notice that when it turns to look, it turns its whole body(Apes can't turn their heads like we can) and we as humans turn our heads first when we turn. So I do believe that it's a real creature and that it doesn't stay in one place, rather it's everywhere and migrates in different spots.

Have you seen the other much more recent videos? I think there are two of them that are pretty damn creepy.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Ummm, are you thinking of the Loch Ness Monster?

No, that's the one with flippers and a long neck in Scotland.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

No, that's the one with flippers and a long neck in Scotland.

No I meant the confession. The infamous pictures about the Loch Ness were created by two men. They took a toy submarine attatched some sort of sculpting clay put it out into the water and took pictures of it. Thus creating the myth of the Loch Ness Monters. One of them died in the mid 80's or 90's and the other died a few years back. Before he did he confessed that he and his friend had hoaxed the loch ness monters.

I was refering to those two men that hoaxed that crypto animal, was that the one you were referring to?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yes, I know.
The LNM hoax was admitted and THEN after that the BF hoax.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yes, I know.
The LNM hoax was admitted and THEN after that the BF hoax.

Interesting, do you have a link or anything? What I am curious about, is if these guys admitted to hoaxing it, why do

A) People keep seeig "something"

B) Shows on the Discovery Channel, TLC and History Channel keep aring Bigfoot/Loch Ness monster type shows?

[Quietstorm]

Theodore Roosevelt spoke about a Bigfoot encounter he had while hunting with friends, and he documented it in one of his diaries. Interesting huh.

[LastSunrise1981]

No I meant the confession. The infamous pictures about the Loch Ness were created by two men. They took a toy submarine attatched some sort of sculpting clay put it out into the water and took pictures of it. Thus creating the myth of the Loch Ness Monters. One of them died in the mid 80's or 90's and the other died a few years back. Before he did he confessed that he and his friend had hoaxed the loch ness monters.

I was refering to those two men that hoaxed that crypto animal, was that the one you were referring to?

As far as I know, Bigfoot hasn't been proven to be a hoax. Granted some are hoaxes and wildly laughable, but those don't discount thousands of other reports that have been given from others.

Lochness? The famous picture you're talking about has been proven to be a hoax and if I'm not mistaken, the man who admitted to the hoax passed away.

Seriously though, who's to say that there's nothing DEEP into the ocean? I'm not looking to find out though. :)

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Their hoaxing has nothing to do with whether or not there are really creatures.

Did you see on the news recently, like, last week or the week before, on all the major news networks, the video of a long serpenty thing in Lake Champlain?
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1648662

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

As far as I know, Bigfoot hasn't been proven to be a hoax. Granted some are hoaxes and wildly laughable, but those don't discount thousands of other reports that have been given from others.

Lochness? The famous picture you're talking about has been proven to be a hoax and if I'm not mistaken, the man who admitted to the hoax passed away.

Seriously though, who's to say that there's nothing DEEP into the ocean? I'm not looking to find out though. :)

Agreed, which is why I posted the qestions I did. To be perfectly honest, I am more open to believing in Bigfoot than I am the Loch Ness monster. A living dinasour? Come one.

Now as you said though, something else in the depths of the ocean is not unlikely at all.

And I agree with the hundreds or thousands of eye witnesses, of course many are just tricks on the eye. But as I said in an earlier post, who knows what's really out there. I mean just for example until 100-150 years ago. Western culture/scientits did not believe in;

The Giant Panda, The Mountain Gorilla and others. As well as a fish they thought extinct for 10,000 years but is still alive today. So who knows what roams this vast planet still undiscovered.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Their hoaxing has nothing to do with whether or not there are really creatures.

Did you see on the news recently, like, last week or the week before, on all the major news networks, the video of a long serpenty thing in Lake Champlain?
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1648662

I haven't seen that video before but I have seen others on "Champ", and I am more likely to believe champ than the LNM.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Ah, it was Robert Heironimus. He said he was the guy in the suit in the Patterson film.
However, he apparently wrote a book called "The Making of Big Foot", so it could be argued that his word can't be trusted as he has something to gain and Patterson is dead.
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=66988

[LastSunrise1981]

Agreed, which is why I posted the qestions I did. To be perfectly honest, I am more open to believing in Bigfoot than I am the Loch Ness monster. A living dinasour? Come one.

Now as you said though, something else in the depths of the ocean is not unlikely at all.

And I agree with the hundreds or thousands of eye witnesses, of course many are just tricks on the eye. But as I said in an earlier post, who knows what's really out there. I mean just for example until 100-150 years ago. Western culture/scientits did not believe in;

The Giant Panda, The Mountain Gorilla and others. As well as a fish they thought extinct for 10,000 years but is still alive today. So who knows what roams this vast planet still undiscovered.

Speaking of which, if you go to Youtube.com you can find some interesting Bigfoot videos. Some are scary, some are unique, and there's one that is so fake that it's obvious and some loser tried to post it as it being real.

Think of it this way, he was about as to close Bigfoot as you are to your computer screen now. The picture is all shakey, then when he zooms in to get a better look all of a sudden the picture goes bad.

Trust me, watch it, it's pretty damn hilarious.

There is one story about a man who apparently was face to face with Bigfoot. He said that he fired a shot to scare it away, and he continued with that the creature turned to look at him and walked away as if he wasn't there.

He describes Bigfoot later on as taking perfect human like strides, only like a giant man would on a track. He followed it and when the creature spotted him, it chased him through the forest and he said he couldn't figure out how it could've covered so much ground as quick as it did. I don't know if his story is true or not, but apparently from what he described, this thing could be a lot faster than a bear and bear is capable of running at 50 km/h (30mph).

It went on to describe that it was more like a demostration run than a chase, mainly stating that Bigfoot was letting him know that the forest was his domain.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=8fQGAykZe2s

Here's the link to that story I just told you about.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Ah, it was Robert Heironimus. He said he was the guy in the suit in the Patterson film.
However, he apparently wrote a book called "The Making of Big Foot", so it could be argued that his word can't be trusted as he has something to gain and Patterson is dead.
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=66988

Ahh okay, I thought you meant it was Patterson, the guy that filmed it is the one that confessed. Here is the only problem, research has been done on the film and "supossedly" you can see muscle moving the "fur" and the contortion of the body and it's steps/movements conclude to it being non human.

But I guess we will wait and see.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

That's what I do when skate punks start skating out front of my work. I Run impossibly fast in circles to demonstrate that the pavement is my domain.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Speaking of which, if you go to Youtube.com you can find some interesting Bigfoot videos. Some are scary, some are unique, and there's one that is so fake that it's obvious and some loser tried to post it as it being real.

Think of it this way, he was about as to close Bigfoot as you are to your computer screen now. The picture is all shakey, then when he zooms in to get a better look all of a sudden the picture goes bad.

Trust me, watch it, it's pretty damn hilarious.

There is one story about a man who apparently was face to face with Bigfoot. He said that he fired a shot to scare it away, and he continued with that the creature turned to look at him and walked away as if he wasn't there.

He describes Bigfoot later on as taking perfect human like strides, only like a giant man would on a track. He followed it and when the creature spotted him, it chased him through the forest and he said he couldn't figure out how it could've covered so much ground as quick as it did. I don't know if his story is true or not, but apparently from what he described, this thing could be a lot faster than a bear and bear is capable of running at 50 km/h (30mph).

It went on to describe that it was more like a demostration run than a chase, mainly stating that Bigfoot was letting him know that the forest was his domain.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=8fQGAykZe2s

Here's the link to that story I just told you about.

What's interesting too is that scientist often dismiss the local indeginous people that live in these ares, whether it is the Native Americans from here or the Himalayas, China, South America or where ever. Yet the same indiginous people knew about the Mountain Gorilla and Giant Panda long before Western Science did.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Ahh okay, I thought you meant it was Patterson, the guy that filmed it is the one that confessed. Here is the only problem, research has been done on the film and "supossedly" you can see muscle moving the "fur" and the contortion of the body and it's steps/movements conclude to it being non human.

But I guess we will wait and see.

This guy is a Bigfoot believer I'm assuming (http://www.angelfire.com/biz/bigfootcentral/ ) but says there's evidence of having shot twice. *shrug*


THE PATTERSON BIGFOOT FILM (What they never told you)Who was in the fur suit may long remain a secret to many, yet only one obvious answer remains why the fur clad star in Patterson's film enters two opposite ends of the timberline in act one of the hot retreat. What most viewers of this, world's most overly ran on tv, film have missed is the two separate timberline entries. This all important to the validity of the film observation, fully determines the worth of the film. A first entry into the timberline can be seen taking place to the far left, while entry number two can be observed just seconds later at the timberline's far right. This dead give-away flaw supposedly captured by the photographer's own camera, clearly reveals that two different walk-aways by the film's furry star were made, ultimately showing that the film was shot twice, and clearly exposing itself as a bogus Bigfoot film. From: The Double Creature Feature Facts Article in Bigfoot Trails Newsletter. (c)Cliff Crook Bigfoot Central

At best seen in slow motion or frame by frame speed, the hard work of the truth slayers can't hide the captured on camera proof that the film was shot twice. As clearly the proof signs of prankery can be seen by all, the bfro camp and other die hard diciples of the Patterson film cult are still promoting the film as authentic Bigfoot evidence on their websites. The test of time bares many answers. The 1967 Bluff Creek Film is Bigfoot Hoax History & laid to rest in the Bigfoot file as the BIGFOOT HOAX OF THE CENTURY.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Interesting

[LastSunrise1981]

This guy is a Bigfoot believer I'm assuming (http://www.angelfire.com/biz/bigfootcentral/ ) but says there's evidence of having shot twice. *shrug*


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I'm not an expert on film or how to do camera tricks, but the film is very shakey and seems to clear up to get a better look at the creature.

I don't know though, but I believe that what they saw was a very real creature. If it's a hoax and is proven to be a hoax, then I'd be very disappointed in them for creating a big lie.

[TheWaterologist]

Ah, it was Robert Heironimus. He said he was the guy in the suit in the Patterson film.
However, he apparently wrote a book called "The Making of Big Foot", so it could be argued that his word can't be trusted as he has something to gain and Patterson is dead.
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=66988

Actually, a respected investigative journalist wrote that book and convinced Heironimus ot come forward. It's a great read, and it convinced me that the video is fake.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Actually, a respected investigative journalist wrote that book and convinced Heironimus ot come forward. It's a great read, and it convinced me that the video is fake.
Ah, I was just going off of he stands to make some money now because he tells his story in a book that was just released called, "The making of Bigfoot." and made an ass of U and Me.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Speaking of which, if you go to Youtube.com you can find some interesting Bigfoot videos. Some are scary, some are unique, and there's one that is so fake that it's obvious and some loser tried to post it as it being real.

Think of it this way, he was about as to close Bigfoot as you are to your computer screen now. The picture is all shakey, then when he zooms in to get a better look all of a sudden the picture goes bad.

Trust me, watch it, it's pretty damn hilarious.

There is one story about a man who apparently was face to face with Bigfoot. He said that he fired a shot to scare it away, and he continued with that the creature turned to look at him and walked away as if he wasn't there.

He describes Bigfoot later on as taking perfect human like strides, only like a giant man would on a track. He followed it and when the creature spotted him, it chased him through the forest and he said he couldn't figure out how it could've covered so much ground as quick as it did. I don't know if his story is true or not, but apparently from what he described, this thing could be a lot faster than a bear and bear is capable of running at 50 km/h (30mph).

It went on to describe that it was more like a demostration run than a chase, mainly stating that Bigfoot was letting him know that the forest was his domain.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=8fQGAykZe2s

Here's the link to that story I just told you about.

Just watched the video, and I would have **** my pants:eek::eek::eek:

[TheWaterologist]

Ah, I was just going off of and made an ass of U and Me.


I can't find who posted that:confused:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I can't find who posted that:confused:'cause it was from a news story.
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=66988
But I'm not gonna count how many freaking paragraphs down for you. :)

[TheWaterologist]

This isn't right. I made this thread, I should be the one running circles around you:mad:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

First came the Horse Drawn Carriage, and it was GOOD.
But soon you've gotta make way for the HorseLESS Carriage. :(

[TheWaterologist]

Screw that tripe, I'm better now than I ever was:mad: I'd say I was peaking right now, if trends didn't indicate that I'll onyl be better come the future.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Then you're saying that you'll soon be a Segway.

[TheWaterologist]

You know, maybe I need more pop culture references. That's one of the things I've never done, and it's been proven time and time again that these buffoons just go crazy when you mention Manos, or terrell owens, or just directly steal any quote used on the simpsons or family guy.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I don't think we're in KANsas anymore. :confused:

[TheWaterologist]

Why do you keep doing that? are you sending me a secret message? I dont' understand, state it much more explicitely.

[Mr Sparkle]

You know, maybe I need more pop culture references. That's one of the things I've never done, and it's been proven time and time again that these buffoons just go crazy when you mention Manos, or terrell owens, or just directly steal any quote used on the simpsons or family guy.

I love you as you are.


and bigfoot is real, just not as bigfoot...or maybe was real.
I don't know.:confused:

[Mr Sparkle]

BTW I just sighted the "lochneffmosnter" in the active user panel.

maybe it was a hoax.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I owned a Loch Nerf Monster in my youth and I swear it had 3 dimensions and took up varying ammounts of space.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I love you as you are.


and bigfoot is real, just not as bigfoot...or maybe was real.
I don't know.:confused:

What?

[LastSunrise1981]

I know this is a very old thread from the past, but I found this interesting video of a man who describes his encounter with Sasquatch.

It was from an Unsolved Mysteries episode, and to be quite honest with you, I had seen his story before where it was either on A&E or the Animal Planet. He basically told the same story of his encounter. I do believe he saw what he saw and that Bigfoot did chase him.

It has been known to tap rocks against another rock, break off trees, and chase those that may invade its territory.

In any case, I figured I'd share this story with you and see what you all thought of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWI4r3sJP60

[Arkady Rossovich]

I belive in it,reports of the Sasquach is not only to the USA.Europe has seen it also.Sightings in Britain,Germany have been counted.

[Mace Bloodstone]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f35316dce8e4a0829fbbcc2bd7e938cd/tumblr_mk94s1aAm91qf9vqio1_500.jpg

[Piper Maru]

World's Most Shocking Bigfoot Footage
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THE BIGFOOT RESEARCH INSTITUTE HAS AUTHENTICATED THIS DISTURBING SASQUATCH VIDEO TAKEN BY A PENNSYLVANIA PARK RANGER AT THE ALLEGHENY NATIONAL FOREST.