The Official Ghost Rider Hype Lounge!

[rasputin386]

Ok, I dont' know about anyone else, but I am Hyped! for Ghost Rider next year! In here lets post about everything from casting ideas, to story ideas, to things you want to see! As long as its about the Ghost Rider film, it should be discussed! This is The Official Ghost Rider Hype Thread! Let the posting commence you crazy Hypsters!

-The Heroic Hemophiliac ;)

[POKI]

i'm hyped too...
i can't think of anything intelligent or an idea to say...
:ghost:

[rasputin386]

Let me throw in some ideas then. Who do you think the villain should be? Who should star? What scenes or storylines from the comics should be included? Thats just to get things movin'!

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

[The Striker]

I'm hyped! GR could be a cool film if done right. Wonder what kind of cameo Stan will have in that one?

[Rukus]

Yeah I can't wait for the movie to come out. As far as a villian in the movie I think Blackout could be cool.

[POKI]

Originally posted by rasputin386
Let me throw in some ideas then. Who do you think the villain should be? Who should star? What scenes or storylines from the comics should be included? Thats just to get things movin'!

-The Heroic Hemophiliac sorry rasputin386...i'm really too tired, but see you tomorrow ! ;)

[MarvelMovies]

Nic Cage could be a good Ghost Rider IMO, but we'll have to wait and see..

[rasputin386]

Who would you all prefer, Nicholas Cage or Kiefer Sutherland?

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

[BIGGUN]

Ahhh yes..GR....the movie ive been waiting to see since 1983. man i hope this time it happens....
anyway the main villain will HAVE to be Satan...which i think will be played by Voight.
now i bet there will be other villains too for gR to pummel.....voight will probably be the dude sending blaze on these little "errands". because if i remember correctly the main idea behind the script was that blaze agrees to become ghost rider in order to save the woman he loves (roxanne )
i bet they will take ideas from both the 70s and 90s books for the story. blackheart is a another possibility ..which may be a cool idea. satan wants his son dead and gets blaze (GR) to hunt him down . maybe even blackheart took blaze's wife or even kills her. have blaze start out at the carnival as a stunt cyclist and have blackheart ride in w/ some cronies. they proceed to destroy everything in sight...maybe even kill blaze's adopted father crash simpson and take roxanne w/ them. the authorities cant help..so blaze gets desperate and makes a deal w/ voight.
supporting characters could be the few remaining survivors of the carnival.
this is stretching the mythos a bit..but marvel has been doing that w/ alot of thier movies

[DANZIGG]

I'm familiar with Ghost Rider but not with his Rogues Gallery anyone know who the likely villians would be? Also is this going to be Jonny Blaze GR or Dan Ketch GR. Maybe with the film coming 2004 (i believe) Marvel will release an ongoing comic! Regardless what people think of MSJ directing DD i think he will do the character justice.

[POKI]

i prefer nic cage !
BIGGUN, i love your ideas !
and..does anybody know some good ghost rider fanpages ?

[rasputin386]

Unfortunetly, there aren't really any good Ghost Rider fansites online....however, if you want a review of Goyer's script, check it out at: http://www.tnmc.org/dp/0415021.shtml

[BIGGUN]

Tanks Poki :)
the style will have to be treated like a action movie w/ lots of horror thrown in. it would be cool to have a scene w/ blaze and voight talking in some little bar in the middle of nowhere....use lots of shadows and very little light on voight. and behind him have a few shadows move on their own (w/ some whispering...like they were alive) .....this would give both blaze and the audience that voight is not quite "right". maybe this could be the scene where blaze realizes he just screwed up BIG time by making a deal w/ this guy.
GR doesnt really have a really strong list of villains like say spider man but some will make some good movie villains. lesse..theres centurious, steel wind, scarecrow, the orb, blackout, blackheart, zodiak, nightmare, deathwatch, snowblind, maybe even vengeance.
one thing im waiting impatiently to see is the merchandising and hype!! movie posters, theater standups (which im goin to get one way or another if they make em!!!!), drink cups...heh. im also curious if they are going to try and have a figure line...like x2 or hulk. or would they go the one figure route like daredevil....which would suck imo. GR i think has better potential as a entire line.
i do hope they make a 12" marvel studio figure....that would be sweet.
:ghost:

[POKI]

hey BIGGUN, keep on writing, i love your ideas !
thanks, rasputin386 for the link, i'm reading it now...(well, not now exactly but...ya know ! ;) )
i hope they really do an entire line of gr figures, because i missed at least an elektra figure...
but anyway i'm happy when they put at least one ghost rider figure !
i really hope they use mephisto as a major villain and handle blackheart as some kind of henchmen (but not one who dies after some minutes screentime, but a real challenge !)

[POKI]

dammit seems like the script review doesn't include any blackheart or any real villain...
****

[BIGGUN]

Yeah i read that script review too...that last line from the reviewer tells all about it...."What really worries me is that many comic book movies are aimed at that annoying PG-13 rating. Bringing this script in under that rating would absolutely gut it of everything I liked. If that happens, it might not even be worth watching."

if violence is the only thing that makes a script good then there is something terribly wrong...there has to be more than just violence. the entire "American Indian" thing is not needed imo.
why they felt they need to make blaze a man who has a criminal past is beyond me....in the books he was a good and honest man. now i dont like this script but they had some really cool ideas on how GR would look like and some of the things he would do...i hope they keep them in this new script that MSJ is working on now. these were mentioned by goyer and norrington ....they dont appear in that script review.
here is some of the stuff im talking about:
1. one scene has blaze walk into a room which is lit by hundreds of candles....when he walks in all of the flames bend toward him!
2. GR doesnt have a "set" outfit. whatever blaze is wearing it would be exaggerated when he transforms...collar becomes wider/longer, spikes appear, ect. there was one incredibly cool concept drawing by Bernie Wrightson that had GR in a trenchcoat, holding his chain in one hand, exposed skeletal hands and ribcage billowing all of this fire and smoke. (if someone still has it post away!)
3. if ghost rider touches ANY bike it will become his "hellcycle".
4. one scene has GR turn over a large truck/car w/ one hand.
5. GR revs up his bike and takes off while melting the asphalt street and blowing out all the widows in the area due to the sonic boom.
6. i remember hearing about this a while back but im not sure if they might use it....Blaze uses a shotgun (like in the 90's book)..when he becomes GR he touches the gun .....it changes ...and GR can fire hellfire out of it.

[rasputin386]

BIGGUN, man, I like your ideas a lot! Could you dig up this script for me and e-mail it to me? If you can, my address is mrpink386@hotmail.com thenks a lot, and keep those sweet ideas coming guys!

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

[Spectre722]

originally posted by bigguns
anyway the main villain will HAVE to be Satan...which i think will be played by Voight.

man that must be a kick in the pants, u've gotten so scary, people are peggin u to play satan

[BIGGUN]

Thanks Rasputin.....
nice to know all those years of dreaming of a GR film didnt go to waste! heh
anyway let me know if you got those pics ok...i also found a link which all of you may find usefull:

http://www.countingdown.com/search?query=ghost+rider

this is a listing at countingdown.com .....has all of those ultra cool Bernie Wrightson drawings, they even have the quote that goyer mentioned about GRs outfit as well as a scene from the movie. keep in mind this is for the R script which wont be used...but some elements may find thier way into the new draft.
:ghost:

[POKI]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Yeah i read that script review too...that last line from the reviewer tells all about it...."What really worries me is that many comic book movies are aimed at that annoying PG-13 rating. Bringing this script in under that rating would absolutely gut it of everything I liked. If that happens, it might not even be worth watching."

if violence is the only thing that makes a script good then there is something terribly wrong...there has to be more than just violence. the entire "American Indian" thing is not needed imo.
why they felt they need to make blaze a man who has a criminal past is beyond me....in the books he was a good and honest man. now i dont like this script but they had some really cool ideas on how GR would look like and some of the things he would do...i hope they keep them in this new script that MSJ is working on now. these were mentioned by goyer and norrington ....they dont appear in that script review.
here is some of the stuff im talking about:
1. one scene has blaze walk into a room which is lit by hundreds of candles....when he walks in all of the flames bend toward him!
2. GR doesnt have a "set" outfit. whatever blaze is wearing it would be exaggerated when he transforms...collar becomes wider/longer, spikes appear, ect. there was one incredibly cool concept drawing by Bernie Wrightson that had GR in a trenchcoat, holding his chain in one hand, exposed skeletal hands and ribcage billowing all of this fire and smoke. (if someone still has it post away!)
3. if ghost rider touches ANY bike it will become his "hellcycle".
4. one scene has GR turn over a large truck/car w/ one hand.
5. GR revs up his bike and takes off while melting the asphalt street and blowing out all the widows in the area due to the sonic boom.
6. i remember hearing about this a while back but im not sure if they might use it....Blaze uses a shotgun (like in the 90's book)..when he becomes GR he touches the gun .....it changes ...and GR can fire hellfire out of it.

i also thought that american indian stuff wasn't necessary !
i love what you wrote there...keep writing..
can't wait...

[BIGGUN]

Heres something you guys might find interesting...Rasputin thought i should post it so here goes!
its not a big deal but its a sign that we may have a fellow fan in charge of the marvel movies. this happened sometime in 93...like many peeps i was waiting for Toy Biz to finally do a Ghost Rider figure......at the time TB kept pushing their xmen stuff and the regular marvel assortment was stuck w/ repaints. no GR! i got fed up and decided to write the head of Marvel Toys himself...Avi Arad. i pretty much felt there would be little chance of getting a response...the letter would have been trashed. i just did it to let off some steam. in a nutshell i just said in the letter i was a huge fan of GR....going all the way back to 77 and was GREATLY disapointed that marvel decided to concentrate on their other characters. well a few weeks went by and i recieved a letter from Avi Arad ...asking me to call him! stunned i did and we talked for about 5-10 minutes. really nice guy too. Recognized me as "oh yeah that ghost rider guy in texas"....heh.
he said he was a huge GR fan as well and had some big plans. he told me GR was being worked on as a movie ( keep in mind this was in 1993) ...already had a poster made up as well. it would be about blaze but the outfit would look more like the ketch version. he said that this was his pet project and that the movie would be made eventually no matter what! also told me other things that came true...a GR figure line, and the blade movie that it was going to be a R rated film. we also talked about how he was interested in making a cartoon of GR as well...
Just shows that Arad can be a really cool dude :) makes me feel a little easier knowing we have a "insider" at marvel..heh
if they ever succeed in making GR i may just send him another letter just to thank him for the hard work of keeping the idea alive...only this time make sure my handwriting doesnt look like chickenscratch...lol

[tamron]

Originally posted by The Striker
Wonder what kind of cameo Stan will have in that one?

It would be cool if there was a fight at a roadhouse, and Stan was behind the bar grabbed a shotgun and fired at GR. Then GR grabs the gun with the chain, and Stan wets his pants.

[MarvelMovies]

Nic Cage is going to be Ghost Rider, directed by MSJ (director of Daredevil)

This news is a bit old... but I don't see it up so there it is..

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by rasputin386
Unfortunetly, there aren't really any good Ghost Rider fansites online....however, if you want a review of Goyer's script, check it out at: http://www.tnmc.org/dp/0415021.shtml

I think I'm going to create a Ghost Rider page... since there are really any good ones... besides Ghost Rider Hype! at the Hype! but, that's it...

E-Mail any good ghost Riders pictures you have, or information at MarvelMania2001@yahoo.com

[rasputin386]

Nice, MarvelMovies! We need a good Ghost Rider fanpage!

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

[POKI]

yeah, thanks i missed something like that on the web ! and thanks again BIGGUN, interesting to read that !

[TrueHorror]

I am looking forward to this film and hope that it is as dark as possible.I am not thrilled with the choice of nicolas cage but think its a million times better than Ben Affleck as Daredevil.I would have loved Johnny Depp as Blaze but it seems thats out of the question now....

[dk]

One thing I want to see:

GR's bike as a Harley-type chopper, not some modern street bike. Keep the flaming wheels from the Dan Ketch-era GR, though - that's a cool visual. Trails of fire left behind on the street as he passes - that sort of thing.

There should be some kind of chase sequence, where cops or the villains or somebody try to catch GR as he's screeching along at 125 MPH. Just when they think they've got him cornered, GR runs the bike up the side of a building or a wall, laughing the whole way.

That would be a vehicle chase sequence we haven't seen before.

[BIGGUN]

Tanks Poki..glad someone enjoyed that story...

i think Cage will do a fine job....in fact he may even add some interesting aspects to blaze. the character isnt iconic like bruce wayne or even peter parker so there can be some things added to the character to make it a little more interesting.

However...i feel they need to have some basics:
Blaze should be a nomad...no home. should have a tough life...going place to place w/ barely enough money to eat. maybe just sleeping where he can. his backstory can be told in brief flashbacks and the reason why he is on the road (maybe hunting down the peeps who did him wrong). If they are true to the comics he should have a carnie background and be able to take care of himself (ie..kick butt!)
he should be a good person thrown into bad situations..he has a moral code and sticks to it. yeah he could be a baddass shooting anyone who looks at him funny but it makes for a great conflict between him and ghost rider...a demon who loves to destroy people. Blaze should be the one keeping him in check...but barely. Blaze despises GR...GR despises Blaze..but they realize they need each other to get the job done.
i also think they should definately mention that Blaze has a brother named Dan who lives in New York. just make it a very brief scene where dan asks to help and of course johnny tell him to keep out of it. i didnt mind the idea that both were brothers in the books but it was very contrived how they suddenly "shocked" readers by suddenly announcing it. this way its known from the start and that there is a possible story line for the movie series to continue (if successful enough of course).

[POKI]

you should be directing the movie or something like that BIGGUN ;)
i really want a scene like someone described in another thread as a teaser trailer...
just a cold,dark alley, with some thugs beating somebody up. and then the camera scrolls to the beginning of the alley, you see some newspapers flying, and then you hear a little noise and it's getting bigger and you realize it's that of a big motorcycle. then the noise stops at the beginning of the alley, a big light goes on and suddenly the sound starts again with the light coming closer...you start to see flames and all and chains on the ground and then you here some laughing insane...and then you see the motorcycle stop behind the thugs and you see a shoe on the ground and the thugs saying something like "oh my god !" and then he smashes them ! that'd be cool !

[BIGGUN]

Heh..me write or direct? hmmmm.....tell you what if anyone is willing to konk MSJ on da head....and if someone gets me a MSJ disguise and we are set to go! heh...and if the movie blows then ill just say "uh..it was him!!" (points to a semi conscious MSJ and i then run off w/ the theme of the benny hill show playing in the background..lol)
but seriously, if that quote from Avi Arad is true about them actually taking hints from forum posters at this site..its quite possible that we may actually see a few of these suggestions on the screen. so keep those ideas coming folks!
i certainly agree w/ both Poki and DK about GR laughing...that i feel is a important part of the character. GR should be a character...not just a dude w/ a cgi skull. However, i dont think he should be a "chatterbox" either....just speak a few lines. IMO it will give more meaning and importance to whatever GR says.
also i think it would be cool when he does speak have his voice come out of ALL the speakers in the theater..a complete surround sound effect. has anyone here seen George Romero's "Creepshow" from the early 80's? it was a horror anthology flick and in it was a story called "Fathers Day". in that one the decaying corpse of a man came out of his grave to exact revenge on his kids. his voice was very rough and raspy. GR could sound something like that only he would sound constantly PO'd.

[rasputin386]

"Wheres my cake Bedlilia?! Its Fathers Day?!"
Anyway, I like all of these ideas coming guys keep em' flowing!

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

[POKI]

i think and hope gr also has something intelligent to say...

[The Guard]

There should be some kind of chase sequence, where cops or the villains or somebody try to catch GR as he's screeching along at 125 MPH. Just when they think they've got him cornered, GR runs the bike up the side of a building or a wall, laughing the whole way.

That would be a vehicle chase sequence we haven't seen before.

Well, BATMAN FOREVER had something sort of like it...:)

The latest news about Mark Steven Johnson and GHOST RIDER doesn't thrill me. It talks about a love story being a central part of the movie. I'm not an expert on Ghost Rider, is there some kind of continuing love story, a la Clark and Lois in his mythos?

[BIGGUN]

Actually yes there is...
go back to the 70s comic..there is most definately a love story between Blaze and his girlfriend Roxanne. she was one of the main characters in the book for awhile until Blaze had to leave (because of GR).
but i really doubt its going to be "Love in Hades" for 2 hrs. I remember hearing sometime ago that the main idea is that Blaze becomes GR to save the woman he loves. I would suspect she is kidnapped by someone (more than likely a very powerfull supernatural villain) and Blaze as GR must track her down and rescue her. Expect alot of violence along the way :)
And wasnt The Crow basically a love story too? a fairly violent one at that....

[MarvelMovies]

Can somebody create a banner, please, of Ghost Rider for the top of the web page..

I'm going to also create a section of fan ideas / thoughts so I'll be using some of the ideas posted by users and their s/n from this board.. hope that's ok with everybody...

Thanks!

[POKI]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Actually yes there is...
go back to the 70s comic..there is most definately a love story between Blaze and his girlfriend Roxanne. she was one of the main characters in the book for awhile until Blaze had to leave (because of GR).
but i really doubt its going to be "Love in Hades" for 2 hrs. I remember hearing sometime ago that the main idea is that Blaze becomes GR to save the woman he loves. I would suspect she is kidnapped by someone (more than likely a very powerfull supernatural villain) and Blaze as GR must track her down and rescue her. Expect alot of violence along the way :)
And wasnt The Crow basically a love story too? a fairly violent one at that.... whew, you seem to be a very huge gr fan BIGGUN!
it's ok with me MarvelMovies, althought i haven't posted any ideas ;)

[The Guard]

So he's kind of like Spawn (Spawn is kind of like him, I mean), in that he made a deal with the devil or something? Someone wanna fill me in on the origin, villains, etc?

[BIGGUN]

Spawn is a Ghost Rider wanna-be ;)
but here is how it went down in the original 70's book...Blaze's real parents died at a early age...he was taken care of by a motorcycle stuntman by the name of Crash Simpson..who has a daughter named Roxanne.
years later Crash is diagnosed w/ cancer....and that he will die soon. Desperate Blaze finds some old books of black magic and summons the Devil. He makes a deal that if Satan doesnt let Crash die from the cancer Blaze will sell his soul. Crash is cured.. sortve.. later when he preforms a dangerous motorcycle stunt for a large crowd his bike explodes and dies instantly. Satan comes for Blaze's soul and is about to claim him when Roxanne comes into the room and spouts out some old incantation and protects Johnny B from harm. although Blaze's soul wasnt claimed he was bonded w/ a demon called Zarathos. At night he would change into a fiery skeleton and all kinds of "misadventures" would happen. Initially Blaze's personality/mind was in control while he was Ghost Rider ..but slowly Zarathos started to exert control and was able to take over completely as the Ghost Rider persona. Soon both were fighting against each other for control of the same body. Ghost Rider was EVIL...but did some good because Blaze had some control over his actions (ie...mission where only the guilty were punished). Did this by burning thier souls/mind w/ Hellfire...left his victims mentally ruined.
Had a good number of interesting villains.....centurious is one...that is another story though:p

WHEW! and yes POKI i am indeed a HUGE GR fan... if you couldnt tell..heh. old school from 1976.....read a issue of "Marvel Team Up" w/ him and Spider Man vs The Trapster. GR cornered Trapster and burned him w/ Hellfire. Trappy dropped to his knees and screamed something like "God help me!!! Im in HELLL!!!!" from that point on i was hooked and the rest is history.

Oh and feel free to post away MarvelMovies I dont mind.

[rasputin386]

What was the story behind Ketch, because I never read those stories?!

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

[BIGGUN]

The 90s version gets all convulted...due to changes in editors, writers, ect. IMO it killed the book because of it. characters/storylines were introduced and later abandoned w/ no reason. it was actually pretty good at the beginning.
Dan Ketch and his sister Barbara come across a mob hit in a cemetary on Halloween night by a dude called Deathwatch and some ninjas (yes ninjas! :rolleyes: ). they are found out..barbara gets mortally wounded by a arrow...they hide under some junk where there is this weird old bike. Dan touches it and he becomes the new GR. penance stares and pummelings commence soon after. Dan as it turns out is the brother to Blaze ..they also tried to explain that this GR is not zarathos but was once a man named Noble Kale from the time of the salem witch trials. Kale is a distant relative of both siblings. then it gets really lame-o near the end...GR somehow end up in hell....kills Blackheart (son of Mephisto...who he has just overthrown) and becomes the new king of Hell....no lie. dont know what happened to dan ..think hes brain dead or something....no idea about GR either..only they stuck him in Hell as its new lord.
just got wayyy too silly at the end

[MarvelMovies]

http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/GRiderFrames.html

Is the beginning to the Ghost Rider site, none of the links work, I don't think, just a test for the page.. mainly was testing which layout, and how to position the frames and such...

Might make the links at the top rollover images.. but so far, that's the layout of the page..

[Johnny Blaze]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
The 90s version gets all convulted...due to changes in editors, writers, ect. IMO it killed the book because of it. characters/storylines were introduced and later abandoned w/ no reason. it was actually pretty good at the beginning.
Dan Ketch and his sister Barbara come across a mob hit in a cemetary on Halloween night by a dude called Deathwatch and some ninjas (yes ninjas! :rolleyes: ). they are found out..barbara gets mortally wounded by a arrow...they hide under some junk where there is this weird old bike. Dan touches it and he becomes the new GR. penance stares and pummelings commence soon after. Dan as it turns out is the brother to Blaze ..they also tried to explain that this GR is not zarathos but was once a man named Noble Kale from the time of the salem witch trials. Kale is a distant relative of both siblings. then it gets really lame-o near the end...GR somehow end up in hell....kills Blackheart (son of Mephisto...who he has just overthrown) and becomes the new king of Hell....no lie. dont know what happened to dan ..think hes brain dead or something....no idea about GR either..only they stuck him in Hell as its new lord.
just got wayyy too silly at the end No kiddin'. I just hope they don't make the same mistake with the new series of Ghost Rider that is supposedly in the works.

[BIGGUN]

Cool MarvelMovies!
keep it up!
hey if you need some pics i may have a few that you may be interested in. I bought 2 variations of the very 1st GR figure from the early/mid 70s and have pics of both. if you need em let me know.

[MarvelMovies]

Yup, all pictures / info would help since there are not too many sites about this character... so please send all pictures / info that you can find to MarvelMania2001@yahoo.com ...

[Pawe³ Max Henry]

ghost Raider - Nicolas Cage!!!

[POKI]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Spawn is a Ghost Rider wanna-be ;)
but here is how it went down in the original 70's book...Blaze's real parents died at a early age...he was taken care of by a motorcycle stuntman by the name of Crash Simpson..who has a daughter named Roxanne.
years later Crash is diagnosed w/ cancer....and that he will die soon. Desperate Blaze finds some old books of black magic and summons the Devil. He makes a deal that if Satan doesnt let Crash die from the cancer Blaze will sell his soul. Crash is cured.. sortve.. later when he preforms a dangerous motorcycle stunt for a large crowd his bike explodes and dies instantly. Satan comes for Blaze's soul and is about to claim him when Roxanne comes into the room and spouts out some old incantation and protects Johnny B from harm. although Blaze's soul wasnt claimed he was bonded w/ a demon called Zarathos. At night he would change into a fiery skeleton and all kinds of "misadventures" would happen. Initially Blaze's personality/mind was in control while he was Ghost Rider ..but slowly Zarathos started to exert control and was able to take over completely as the Ghost Rider persona. Soon both were fighting against each other for control of the same body. Ghost Rider was EVIL...but did some good because Blaze had some control over his actions (ie...mission where only the guilty were punished). Did this by burning thier souls/mind w/ Hellfire...left his victims mentally ruined.
Had a good number of interesting villains.....centurious is one...that is another story though:p

WHEW! and yes POKI i am indeed a HUGE GR fan... if you couldnt tell..heh. old school from 1976.....read a issue of "Marvel Team Up" w/ him and Spider Man vs The Trapster. GR cornered Trapster and burned him w/ Hellfire. Trappy dropped to his knees and screamed something like "God help me!!! Im in HELLL!!!!" from that point on i was hooked and the rest is history.

Oh and feel free to post away MarvelMovies I dont mind. whew, you really don't seem to be a gr fan ;) and thanks for the origin i was very interested to read that !!! from what i know blackheart seems to be a pretty cool villain ! fill me up with more info, BIGGUN ;) i think the whole pact with the devil idea in comics is good !
MarvelMovies, your gr site looks damn great so far ! i'm so glad i got 15 gr comics off ebay, because there are no (yes i mean NO, absolutely NO) gr comics in austria !

[mongoro]

Ghost Rider RULES !!!!! The movie will rule to ohhyah:ghost: :ghost:

[BIGGUN]

Yeah...not really that big of a fan ...may have read a issue here and there....lol.
Even though Blackheart is from the 90s GR he would still make a cool villain for Blaze to fight....could be the main heavy..one that Blaze has to fight and kill to get Roxanne back. Blackheart can add an interesting part to the story (if they did it this way). Like in the books BH want his dad Satan/Mephisto dead so he can be the new ruler of Hell. He escapes Hades and starts forming a army on Earth to help him in his plan. He gathers the absolute WORST type of people ....murderers, serial killers, thieves, rapists, ect. some will just be regular thugs armed w/ heavy weapons and such. BUT others who show some skill could have been given "special abilities" in exchange for their souls. This could give GR more monsters and freaks to fight...also a good way to introduce some other GR villains too like scarecrow, hag and troll, snowblind, ect. This army too could be nomadic ...traveling all across the country destroying and taking new recruits where they can.
BTW..just remembered another villain that would be cool to use...Meatmarket. Basically a rotting demon composed of used body parts from his victims! he is constantly in search of new victims to replace his old rotting flesh. nasty!
But anyway, there could be a twist at the end that Mephisto could really care less if his son wants to kill him...he used his own son as bait (and "guided" him to kidnapp Roxanne) so he would be able to trick Blaze into making a deal w/ him. Why he wanted Blaze so much could be explained in the sequel...heh :) BH would be like a pawn in the whole thing not realizing that his father was using him.

[mongoro]

Ghost Rider in the Champions was kinda cool . Might make a cool movie hmmmm

[POKI]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Yeah...not really that big of a fan ...may have read a issue here and there....lol.
Even though Blackheart is from the 90s GR he would still make a cool villain for Blaze to fight....could be the main heavy..one that Blaze has to fight and kill to get Roxanne back. Blackheart can add an interesting part to the story (if they did it this way). Like in the books BH want his dad Satan/Mephisto dead so he can be the new ruler of Hell. He escapes Hades and starts forming a army on Earth to help him in his plan. He gathers the absolute WORST type of people ....murderers, serial killers, thieves, rapists, ect. some will just be regular thugs armed w/ heavy weapons and such. BUT others who show some skill could have been given "special abilities" in exchange for their souls. This could give GR more monsters and freaks to fight...also a good way to introduce some other GR villains too like scarecrow, hag and troll, snowblind, ect. This army too could be nomadic ...traveling all across the country destroying and taking new recruits where they can.
BTW..just remembered another villain that would be cool to use...Meatmarket. Basically a rotting demon composed of used body parts from his victims! he is constantly in search of new victims to replace his old rotting flesh. nasty!
But anyway, there could be a twist at the end that Mephisto could really care less if his son wants to kill him...he used his own son as bait (and "guided" him to kidnapp Roxanne) so he would be able to trick Blaze into making a deal w/ him. Why he wanted Blaze so much could be explained in the sequel...heh :) BH would be like a pawn in the whole thing not realizing that his father was using him. superb idea

[MarvelMovies]

The origin for GR is pretty weird... a little complicated too... I hope they do it right for the movie

[rscal]

mephisto main villian especially since they are using the johnny blaze character. keifer would be my choice but cage would do a decent job also.

[rscal]

and since its jonny blaze no penance stare. hellfire.

[BIGGUN]

Actually i believe they will be combining the best elements from both series (70's and 90's).
I know its pretty much 98.98% that they will use the penance stare. even heard from avi arad himself (back in 1993/94) that he wanted to use the penance stare, with the 90's GR look, but w/ the Blaze character and story.
From what i gathered he really digs that penance stare schtick..:)

[mongoro]

Ghostrider is the #1 comicbook Icon for motorcyle riders world wide i live to ride to yep!!

[MarvelMovies]

http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/GRMoviesite.html

Got some Ghost Rider news...

[BIGGUN]

Sounds cool...
least we finally got some official word on what the heck that make up shot was for.
it also makes me feel a little better knowing that Cage did that on his own time just for a Halloween party....only a fan would something like that.

[MarvelMovies]

At first, so many people were complaining about the make-up test that it was for the movie... and about the hair.. when all along, it wasn't even for the movie.. just a mix-up I guess...

[rsheffie]

I always thought GR was cool, but I never actually read any of the comics. I have always been a Marvel fan, but for some reason never read the GR series. Can someone tell me about GR?

Sheff:confused:

[rsheffie]

That sounds downright bad-ass! I would like to see Bruce Willis in here somewhere. He is a very versitile actor and could make a good villian.

Sheff:cool:

[MarvelMovies]

^^ BIGGUN explained the history a few posts back, but at the top of this page.. you can find it..

I'm trying to get some of the comics from online auctions and comic stores around (and online)... to read about him

[BIGGUN]

Marvel Movies...
you may try and get some of the issues that reprinted some the old 70's comics. the best were "The Original Ghost Rider Rides Again" . These had 2 reprinted issues that covered the last issues in the series. "The Original Ghost Rider" came later and just reprinted the very 1st GR appearances in Marvel Spotlight and some of the regular series starting w/ issues 1. IMO the best stories were from the last issues of the 70s comic....in all honesty the issues from marvel spotlight and some of the early GR series weren't very good either artwise or storywise (except the very first few issues drawn by Mike Ploog of course). The 1st early issues were extremely hokey. the book really didnt start hitting its stride until sometime around issue 30 and up. this is where Blaze was starting to loose control of GR and was becoming a completely different entity...stories were getting better too....some were actually rather creepy and quite sad at times.
one of my faves was "Highway to Hell" where GR hunts down a mobster for killing a young kids parents in a circus act. quite kool too as GR stops the kid from shooting the mobster (by wacking him upside the head!) and saying "Vengeance is the Devil's Work!!" and pretty much warned that he could be next if he didnt watch himself...great story

[MarvelMovies]

I've been trying to get the 1990s series... Issues 1 - 30 about.. for under 30.00 on auction sites.. I hate one for 25.00, issues 1 - 44.. but I got outbid by a dollar in the last couple of minutes..

But, if I can find them for not too much I'll try..

www.milehighcomics.com also has some good ones... going to try and buy some real soon

[BIGGUN]

Yeah i would suggest that if anyone wants to get any GR back issues now is the time to do it. IMO once pics hit the net of the actuall movie shoot and when the teaser trailer hits the theater prices will more than likely go up on both 70's and 90's books. I dont think the prices will go up too much but im sure you can save a few $$ if you get them now.

[MarvelMovies]

Yup, that was the plan.. and I wanted to start reading about him to learn more about the character.. always read about the biography and got all these pictures (or the ones I can find).. then looked online, and realised how cheap they are.. and decided, now is a good time..

[phlogiston]

A broken animation sequence compiled from Bernie Wrightson's illustrations...:ghost:

http://www.speedis.org/images/302403.gif

[rasputin386]

Sweet!

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by phlogiston
A broken animation sequence compiled from Bernie Wrightson's illustrations...:ghost:

http://www.speedis.org/images/302403.gif

Right clicks, Saves

[Pawe³ Max Henry]

NICOLAS CAGE

[MarvelMovies]

Why'd you post that? P³MH..

We know Nic is going to be playing Blaze / GR...

[phlogiston]

http://www.speedis.org/images/303882.gif

Bernie Wrightson is the man.:ghost:

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by phlogiston
http://www.speedis.org/images/303882.gif

Bernie Wrightson is the man.:ghost:



Yes, yes he is :)

I hope they keep that idea about GR having different outfits depending on what Blaze is wearing at the time.....that one w/ GR in a trenchcoat was simply just too cool!

Here is a question for you dudes:
Does it matter if the movie is a literal translation of the GR origin (from the Marvel Spotlight issues) or can it take liberties w/ the storyto make it more entertaining
For example: Spider Man was extremely close to the original books while movies like X-Men, Hulk and Blade changed a lot stuff.

Personally i hope they just keep the basics :Blaze sells his soul to save someone he loves and that he is a motorcycle stuntman.
I never liked the original story....it was pretty bad and wouldnt translate well to the big screen..imo. It could probably work as a TV series though.
In the original stories Blaze is still "Blaze" when he becomes GR....same mind only his skin is transparent and appears to be on fire. The "smack talking" demon Zarathos doesnt really show up in the series until much later.
Also the stories brought back his dead surrogate father Crash Simpson as a re-incarnated motorcycle gang member. he makes a deal w/ Satan that if he sacrifices both his own daughter and Blaze he would live again. Also there is alot of satanic "mumbo-jumbo" that would just seem silly by today's audiences.

Ive seen alot of talk about how some comic book fans are upset that many of their fave superheroes' origins are changed when made into a movie. GR (like Blade) is gonna be a special case I think....the story isnt set in stone since its been changed around so much and GR isnt really that well know by the general public (unlike Spider Man)
What do you guys think?

[MarvelMovies]

Ghost Rider's origin is very weird IMO... if they changed it or added to it.. or did something with it.. it wouldn't bother me a bit.. to make it more realistic...

I agree, the Trenchcoat GR kicks so much butt... really hope they use that design for the movie.. and the original of course in some parts..

[phlogiston]

I think that Blaze should be kept as a pretty decent person, like in the books, and that he should have something to do wih motorcycles, not necessarily a stunt motorcyclist, he could be a mechanic. I say this because, I really don't see Nicolas Cage asan X-Games type person. I would believe his role more if he were a mechanic with a passion for motorcylces. Then again, his stunt motorcylcist history may help draw in the X-Games crowd.

Think about it:

Grungy Good Hearted Mechanic- gets tricked into selling his soul- turns into Ghost Rider

Trouble Maker Stuntman- gets tricked into selling his soul- turns into Ghost Rider

I don't know why but the former just clicks better with me.

[MarvelMovies]

I think instead of a trickster X-Games rider... he was more of a stunt man doing those huge jumps like Evil-Ka-Neval (sp?).. and I could see Cage doing that... an insanely huge stunt.. he is nearly killed doing one, and only has a few days to live...

He makes a deal with the Devil or something like that to sell his soul in order to save his life..

The doctors and everybody who knows him is shocked and can't believe it.. Also, it's a news stories on the news, so his fans hear about it too...

A very critical brain or heart injury which you can't be healed from...

I posted Mr. Willy's fan art onto the fan art page.. if anybody else has any Ghost Rider fan art, please send it to MarvelMania2001@yahoo.com with the credit information (screen name, site, other...)

Also, made the products - action figures page... still uploading some pictures, but it will be done soon...

The misc. products page will be done soon as well.. only a few pictures for that..

Other pages should be up by the end of the week.. with the page fully functional and all the links active by next Sunday / Monday time.. the beginning of next week...

[BIGGUN]

True.....Cage is a bit old for a stunt man...but if his backstory was that he was a famous stuntman as a youngster who now as a adult co-owned the carnival w/ his surrogate dad Crash Simpson.
Blaze wont be making public stunts or anything..he will be too old of course. maybe he just recently stopped doing them so he can run the carnival w/ Crash. this way GR will still have the knowledge (from Blaze) of doing all kinds of funky bike tricks as in the comics.
Blaze did own the Quintin Carnival when he was re-introduced in the 90s book i believe....so actually it wont be a bit of a stretch....just merging different parts of the GR mythos together.

[POKI]

i have no problem with mixing basics from the book with new ideas, it could turn out veeeery good !
and MarvelMovies, i was doing the exact same thing..:)
and at last...i also wanna see a trenchcoat gr !

[POKI]

YES ! YES ! YES ! ETERNAL HAPPINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESS !!!
my gr comics just arrived...:dances around happily: whohooooooooooooooooooooo

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by POKI
and MarvelMovies, i was doing the exact same thing..:)


Doing the exact same thing as in making up the story line part.. or something else?

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by POKI
YES ! YES ! YES ! ETERNAL HAPPINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESS !!!
my gr comics just arrived...:dances around happily: whohooooooooooooooooooooo

On eBay, I bet on the 1990s GR series of issues 1 - 44, but lost... by a dollar.. in the last couple of minutes..

But, I'm trying again for a better deal..

[POKI]

i meant buying on ebay for a better price than in shops !

after reading some of the comics already i want a scene like this. somewhere in the movie, maybe after a confrontation with mephisto or any bad news, you hear a woman screaming her voice to death, gr jumps on his bike and drives there in full speed, he arrives and the lady is dead, but you see the guy running away with her money, he chases him and tracks him down and when he sees gr he says: "i don't care, i don't fear death." and then in a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeep horrific voice gr says: "there are worse things than death !" and you can see him starting his look in the eyes, then the camera turns away, the guys seem like shadows and then the scene ends hearing the guy screaming "oh lord"..etc.

[POKI]

oh,btw
is this an official picture or just concept art ???
http://www.mediocreminds.com/version1/images/superhero/m/ghost_rider.jpg

[MarvelMovies]

That picture above is technically the official poster, but I think it was the poster for the movie that Steve Norrington and David Goyer were attached to back in the 2001 - 2002 pre-production...

The movie was put on a long delay, until recently MSJ picked it up... on my site, I'll be updating it today (maybe tomorrow, or both) with the news of all the Ghost Rider movie information that I've found so far...

[rscal]

yeah a stunts motorcyclist like you see at circuses. riding on high wire, in that huge ball, jumping in hoops of fire, and such. Evil kaneivel was pretty old before he stopped jumping. so cage's age isn't that big of a deal. thought cage sold his soul to save someone elses life not his?

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by POKI
oh,btw
is this an official picture or just concept art ???
http://www.mediocreminds.com/version1/images/superhero/m/ghost_rider.jpg


I believe that was simply a promo poster made for the Cannes Film Festival a few years ago...just to get other people in the industry know that it was going to be made....


Rscal....
yup...in the original 70's comic, Blaze sold his sold to save the life of his surrogate father Crash Simpson from cancer.
From what i heard (at least when Norrington was attached) that the reason why Blaze becomes GR in the movie was to save the life of someone he loves....this could either be Crash or his girlfriend/wife Roxanne. Right now this could all change as the director is still finishing the script...so anything is possible at this point.

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by rscal
yeah a stunts motorcyclist like you see at circuses. riding on high wire, in that huge ball, jumping in hoops of fire, and such. Evil kaneivel was pretty old before he stopped jumping. so cage's age isn't that big of a deal. thought cage sold his soul to save someone elses life not his?

Saving the life of another... could work as well... could show a nice side to Blaze... in fact, it might be actually better and have an emotional side to it..

I'd say for his girlfriend, since MSJ wants somewhat of a love story as well.. so it will fit in...

[Lone]

I'd say make Roxanne his wife in the movie.

It would be nice to see a Superhero who is married on the big screen :D

[Xan-El]

Originally posted by rasputin386
Who would you all prefer, Nicholas Cage or Kiefer Sutherland?

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

Kiefer Sutherland........but Nicolas Cage will do........I think he has one more film to do then it's straight to Ghost Rider......YESSSSSS

[MarvelMovies]

Kiefer Sutherland is a pretty good chioce as well, but I think that Nic Cage just has those eyes and that evil / nice kind of attitude...

An all around great actor, watch Face/Off if you've never seen it, and you'll see what I mean...

[MarvelMovies]

Use this thread for Ghost Rider talk...

[BIGGUN]

Ok..seems this thread needs some activity again...heh. gotta keep it goin kids!
but anyway......a few years ago when Marvel had a early draft of Ghost Rider (this is in the early to mid 90s i believe) there was an idea that instead of GR shooting Hellfire from his hands he would have to use a shotgun to channel it instead (like Blaze did in the 90s book). he would pick up a normal gun ...and it would change so he could fire it.

now my question is for the fans of both the 70s and 90s comic....
which would you prefer? The old fashioned Hellfire from the hands or would you prefer a demonic looking shotgun to fire it instead?
:unishr:

[BigBastard]

Well i never really knew much about ghost rider until me I started playing Marvel vs Capcom and blackheart became one of my favourite fighters. I did know OF ghost rider and but it wasnt til i did some web research on blackheart to find he was mephistos aka devils son and a villan for ghost rider.

Eversince then and reading lots into the ghost rider plot and so forth on the web have wanted a movie and would have loved a movie of it with blackheart as the main villan.

I would like to see cage as blaze over sutherland, as i think sutherland might be a bit busy with season three of 24 and the 4th season if the show still rakes in the ratings after that.

As for your question biggun, from what ive read off the web (i really should start reading comics some day....I get so wraped up in their universes/plots just by what i read off the web!) I find it rather hard to think what would workout better for the movie. Then again we are dealing with hell, mephisto, blackheart, ect here so I think the oldschool choice of hellfire from the hands would be better since its more homeage to the origional comic.

Eitherway I'll be more than happy if we get a scene, maybe a fight scene of blackheart vs ghostrider since it would be two hellish supernatural powers pitted against each other.

As for how blackheart could look, they could go for something like this....

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/gallus82/blackheart.jpg

Blackheart on the big screen ......drooooool

[SPIDER-BONE]

Wow, Biggun and I thought I loved GR! That an interesting concept with hellfire shotgun. I never have really liked it when characters emit powers, energy through their hands. Don't know why, just seems a little corny. I think his primary weapon should be his chain, I liked how it could morph into different things in the 90's series.

How about this: in addition to his chain any weapon he picks up makes on some warped demonic appearance and produces hell-fire. If he picks up a shotgun it gets all twisted and evil looking and blast out hell-fire, or if he picks up a pieace of pipe it gets spikey and cover with hell-fire.

I really hope they do this film right, and I hope it has plenty of violence. I mean we are dealing with a demon here!

[Pyro Max]

Nick Cage as Ghost Rider could be great. He definitely has the acting chops to bring something cool to the character. Also with him involved the over all production quality will almost certainly be hi. I've also heard he is a fan. Then again so was Affleck.

[MarvelMovies]

I actually, really like Spider-Bone's idea of how when he picks up any object, mainly weapon though, of he it becomes warped demonicly... changed and looks cool but weird at the same time... and then Hellfire surrounds it, and possibly comes out of it..

I also don't like the power from hands... like some ray just shoots out of his hand... I also felt that it didn't fit in... in the Hulk cartoon "Innocent Blood" where Ghost Rider makes a cameo.. all of a sudden flames started shooting out just didn't feel right..

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by SPIDER-BONE
[B]Wow, Biggun and I thought I loved GR! B]

Heh....yeah old school from 76!

I was thinking the same thing SB....any item is a potential weapon in GR's hands. In the 90s book Blaze also had a bowie knife and he could channel Hellfire around the blade. Would be cool to see GR take a knife and it extends to the length of a machete only "demonically deformed" w/ Hellfire all over the blade. Another cool scene would be GR walking calmly into the villain's headquarters carrying 2 demonic shotguns blasting everything in sight w/ Hellfire.
I agree that the Chain would have to be his main weapon of choice....w/ cgi they could make it do all those funky tricks like in the book.

MarvelMov.....yeah that was a pretty bad cartoon.....the voice of GR was the worst thing about it imo. Very sissy soundin' for a Spirit of Vengeance! but at least we were treated to a animated GR.

Pyro...glad that someone else sees the logic of having Cage. we can at least depend on seeing a movie that is well done (at least production wise) and more than likely heavily advertised.
Personally i cant wait for that...can you guys imagine seeing GR TV spots? ads in magazines? TV specials about GR and how Cage got involved?
I have this demented dream that i would go outside on some Halloween night and see a couple of kids on dirt bikes wearing the "officially licensed Ghost Rider costume" while chasing down other kids while yelling "I am the Spirit of Vengeance mortal scum! Give me your candy or feel my unholy wrath!!" heh:ghost:

[DANZIGG]

Whats the estimated start date for filming and release date?

[BIGGUN]

Well they said they would start actual shooting this fall/winter of 2003 for a 2004 summer/winter release. however i have a feeling we will more than likely see it sometime in 2005.

[BigBastard]

The way these comic movies are going these days Id probably vote on a 2k5 release as well, I somehow think Fantastic 4 will be in the same boot as well.

Btw ive been thinking about what you peoples said about the whole anything he picks up becomes all hellishly twisted and demented only be turned into a powerful weapon for ghost riders uses, i really actally like the sound of that over the hellfire from the hands now. Because i think they could so some rather cool things playing around with that idea of having things all twisted and warped.

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Heh....yeah old school from 76!

I was thinking the same thing SB....any item is a potential weapon in GR's hands. In the 90s book Blaze also had a bowie knife and he could channel Hellfire around the blade. Would be cool to see GR take a knife and it extends to the length of a machete only "demonically deformed" w/ Hellfire all over the blade. Another cool scene would be GR walking calmly into the villain's headquarters carrying 2 demonic shotguns blasting everything in sight w/ Hellfire.
I agree that the Chain would have to be his main weapon of choice....w/ cgi they could make it do all those funky tricks like in the book.

Sweetness...


MarvelMov.....yeah that was a pretty bad cartoon.....the voice of GR was the worst thing about it imo. Very sissy soundin' for a Spirit of Vengeance! but at least we were treated to a animated GR.

I agree... the best part of the episode was the animated Ghost Rider, the voice was a little... echoish

[Captain America]

So is this Movie in production yet?

[MarvelMovies]

Nope... not in official production of actual filming..

Right now, MSJ is half way done through a script.. and in the pre-production stages...

[POKI]

i wanna see demonic deformed shotguns with things like skulls on it shooting hellfire and loooooooooong machets surrounded by fire... that could work out so well and look incredible ! i think they could make a violent pg-13 movie as someone said, it worked with the two towers...BUT they definitely have to make dvd version with a hell lot of violent r-rated scenes...so we also could get an r-rated gr movie ! and i'm with BigBastard i want to see blackheart (especially if he looks like on that pic...) that would be so sweet to see the two battling it out !
i hope when the movie comes out that my local theatres will have gr posters...

[SPIDER-BONE]

I was doing a reading from earlier in this tread, and I noticed that someone stated that the 90's series ended with GR as the new king of Hell. Could I get a little more explanation on this. I stopped collecting comics right about the time Dan Ketch got his throat ripped out by BlackOut, and was trapped in GR form.

[BIGGUN]

The 90's series finale was pretty bad..imo. basically what happened was that GR was part angel and part demon. i think his true purpose was to destroy mephisto but he didnt have any memory of this. anyway blackheart had killed his father mephisto in another book and took over hell. he then made it where GR had to come to hell for some reason and one thing leads to another..GR and blackheart fight...GR "suddenly discovers" these unknown powers and kills blackheart and becomes king of hell.
there was supposed to be a final issue they would have tied all the loose ends but sales were so bad they didnt even bother printing it!
it was a terrible way to end the series...but the book was getting so bad no one seemed to care anymore. lets just hope marvel learns it lesson next time (if there is one)

Hey guys...check out this auction at ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3139264051&category=348

this is a custom 12" Ghost Rider that someone made on their own...looks neat!

[SPIDER-BONE]

Thanks for the info Biggun! Half angel half demon, that does sound pretty bad.

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Hey guys...check out this auction at ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3139264051&category=348

this is a custom 12" Ghost Rider that someone made on their own...looks neat!

Sweetness... Me want, but it's up to $60.00 already.. :(

I wish I had the high bid.. So cool... maybe another one will come up, if they plan to make more..

[Spidey-Bat]

If they do make a GR movie, it will probably be R.

[MarvelMovies]

They already said they were aiming for a PG-13 movie.. so I don't think it will be R, unless there is a director's cut version or something like that...

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by MarvelMovies
They already said they were aiming for a PG-13 movie.. so I don't think it will be R, unless there is a director's cut version or something like that...

it should be R. They're trying to make movies that should be R into PG-13. Blade was R. DD and GR should (have) be R b/c they're very violent and mature in the comics. Even in the ML GR, the comic included was very violent.

[MarvelMovies]

I agree that it should be rated R as well, although if it was PG-13, I'd be fine with that as well...

LOTR: TT was rated PG-13 and that seemed like an R rated movie in the action scenes with the battling...

I can live with it being PG-13 instead of R, although they should have some "extra" scenes for a rated R movie in the DVD or a director's cut like they're doing with DD

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Hey guys...check out this auction at ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3139264051&category=348

this is a custom 12" Ghost Rider that someone made on their own...looks neat!

Wow!

The final bid was $119.16, maybe the person will make another one..

This just proves that people want a GR figure that is good and looks like it should

[MarvelMovies]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2184609175&category=3986

eBay is a Ghost Rider (For that matter, Comic) fans dream..

[BIGGUN]

HAHA! Marvel Movies...did you notice the skull bunny slipper Ghostie is wearing? thats hilarious. guess GR isnt such a tough guy after all...heh

119.00 bucks is pretty good for a custom. lets hope that Marvel sees the demand and decides to make a nice 12" Marvel Studio figure for 50.00.

lots of people are saying that GR should be R.....but it really doesnt need to be. even the comic book was never more than a "pg-13". GR doesnt kill people ....he much rather give them the penance stare and let them go insane for the rest of their natural lives.....a fate much worse than death IMO. he does have a habit of savagely beating evil doers though....but again there are tons of pg-13 films that have pretty intense fight scenes. a film can be much more effective by implying gore than actually showing it. in daredevil you know the guy was cut in half by the subway train and it wasnt shown in gory detail. gore definately has its place believe me....some of my fave horror films are veryyy gory (dawn of the dead is one) but its not needed all the time.

[POKI]

i guess the skull bunny slippers are a joke on the bunny slippers the hulk used to wear in his professor form !
good idea, though !
i hope toybiz or whoever will bring out lots of gr action figures !

[MarvelMovies]

I'm still trying to get the old action figures.. you can find them on eBay for pretty cheap, if you win the auction...

New ones are definitely going to be released along with the movie...

[BIGGUN]

Hey MM....
here is a site i just came across:

http://www.figurerealm.com/BrowseFigures.php

looks like they have some of the GR figures for decent prices.

[Crazyman]

I used to have a ghost rider action figure ( I have the new Legends one now, the alternate Danny Ketch one) it came with a mini comic and a spinning chain action. there was a whole range available, Vengeance, Zarathos, Blaze, Mephisto, I want mine but hey its gone.

[BigBastard]

Ohh what .....no Blackheart.....damn :D eheheh. Hardly think Blackhearts a significant enough character to have a figure.

[POKI]

i'd buy a blackheart figure !

[SPIDER-BONE]

Do any of you guys watch American Chopper, I think it comes on either the Discovery Channel or TLC. I bet those guys could design a really bad-ass bike for the GR movie. If you've seen the show you know what I mean. They design custom bikes, they did one with a spider-man theme.

[AmerikazMostWanted]

Originally posted by SPIDER-BONE
Do any of you guys watch American Chopper, I think it comes on either the Discovery Channel or TLC. I bet those guys could design a really bad-ass bike for the GR movie. If you've seen the show you know what I mean. They design custom bikes, they did one with a spider-man theme.

is that the show with jesse james because i saw him at a mexican resturant near my house

[SPIDER-BONE]

No these guy are named Tutel, it's a family business up in Michigan I beleive. They do the same sort of thing though, only they seem to go a little more extreme in their designs. But thats cool that you saw Jesse James!

[AmerikazMostWanted]

oooops.. sorry im thinking of monster garage lol

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by SPIDER-BONE
Do any of you guys watch American Chopper, I think it comes on either the Discovery Channel or TLC. I bet those guys could design a really bad-ass bike for the GR movie. If you've seen the show you know what I mean. They design custom bikes, they did one with a spider-man theme.

Thats a pretty cool show. I also thought they should get a shot at making the bike for GR. They certainly have both the talent and imagination.
which leads me to ask you dudes another question.....for the R rated script the bike was said to look more "organic" and almost like something HR Giger would do (famous artist who designed the monster in 1979's Alien). So.....which bike would you guys prefer? A traditional mechanical bike or a "bio-mechanical" bike like this?

http://superherohype.com/gallery/Ghost_Rider/The_Movie/Concepts/ghostridersketch1.jpg

[SPIDER-BONE]

That sounds like pretty win-win situation, but I think I would lean toward the mechanical design. I would certainly be open to some combination, as I think it needs a little of both. Just as long as it doesn't go too extreme. When I look at it I want to think that's a really mean looking bike. Then upon closer examination you see all the things that make supernatural. I definitely want the tires from the 90's series.

[Desslar]

Is there any connection between the 60s Ghost Rider (a phantom gunslinger) and the 70s/90s Ghost Rider?

[BIGGUN]

Desslar.....nope. both are completely different characters. there was a team-up in issue 50 of the 70s GR. Although the western Ghost Rider was called "Night Rider" in the story....guess there can only be 1 GR.

Originally posted by SPIDER-BONE
That sounds like pretty win-win situation, but I think I would lean toward the mechanical design. I would certainly be open to some combination, as I think it needs a little of both. Just as long as it doesn't go too extreme. When I look at it I want to think that's a really mean looking bike. Then upon closer examination you see all the things that make supernatural. I definitely want the tires from the 90's series.

I agree SB...the bike (whatever design they use) needs to have wheels of pure Hellfire. Although a bike made out of Hellfire might be interesting it would be overkill on the eyes after a while. I also agree w/ you on the combo style of bike.....maybe have a pure mechanical design for the outside chassis and inside have what looks like a organic/bio-mechanical engine and other parts. this would support the idea from the 90s book that the bike was a separate living entity

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Hey MM....
here is a site i just came across:

http://www.figurerealm.com/BrowseFigures.php

looks like they have some of the GR figures for decent prices.

Adds to favorites, excellent find Biggun!

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by SPIDER-BONE
Do any of you guys watch American Chopper, I think it comes on either the Discovery Channel or TLC. I bet those guys could design a really bad-ass bike for the GR movie. If you've seen the show you know what I mean. They design custom bikes, they did one with a spider-man theme.

Definitely... those are some bad @$$ motorcycles... just watching them build them, they should do some work with this movie!

[MarvelMovies]

I'd go with the mechanical version of a bike.. but that looks like either a Harley or the bike above, but not organic.... just seems like a strange idea...

Mechanical normal bikes would work so much better...

[BIGGUN]

Ok guys...this may be bad news.
Hollywood Reporter stated that Cage would star in "The WeatherMan" starting in Feb. right after he is done w/ "National Treasure" which starts production this month.
Now this might not mean he wont be able to shoot GR late this year but it doesnt look good.
I can only see this working if they start shooting NT immediately this month and if it only takes 3 months to shoot. That would mean Cage will have Nov, Dec, and Jan free to shoot GR.....which to me doesnt sound possible. I cant see anyone being able to do a decent performance on 3 films that are shot back to back. NT...then GR....then WM. no time to study a script, physically prepare for the role or even take time off to relax.
this is looking like a late 2004 production start for GR ....if we are lucky:(

UPDATE:
Damn..looks like its official :(
this was posted by CountingDown.net...:
From Wizard Magazine:

"In a perfect world, we'd love to be shooting [Ghost Rider] early next year," says Marvel Studios Senior Vice President Kevin Feige. "Writer/director Mark Steven Johnson is halfway through his rewrite of the script and is coming up with spectacular stuff. Nicholas Cage is dying to do 'Ghost Rider.' He's doing a movie called 'National Treasure' as his next project, but after that he wants to do 'Ghost Rider.' We're committed to him and he's committed to the movie. Now it's just a matter of timing."

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by BIGGUN

UPDATE:
Damn..looks like its official :(
this was posted by CountingDown.net...:
From Wizard Magazine:

"In a perfect world, we'd love to be shooting [Ghost Rider] early next year," says Marvel Studios Senior Vice President Kevin Feige. "Writer/director Mark Steven Johnson is halfway through his rewrite of the script and is coming up with spectacular stuff. Nicholas Cage is dying to do 'Ghost Rider.' He's doing a movie called 'National Treasure' as his next project, but after that he wants to do 'Ghost Rider.' We're committed to him and he's committed to the movie. Now it's just a matter of timing."

Can someone please tell Cage he isn't superhero material. especially an anti-hero/vigilante like GR.

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
Ok guys...this may be bad news.
Hollywood Reporter stated that Cage would star in "The WeatherMan" starting in Feb. right after he is done w/ "National Treasure" which starts production this month.
Now this might not mean he wont be able to shoot GR late this year but it doesnt look good.
I can only see this working if they start shooting NT immediately this month and if it only takes 3 months to shoot. That would mean Cage will have Nov, Dec, and Jan free to shoot GR.....which to me doesnt sound possible. I cant see anyone being able to do a decent performance on 3 films that are shot back to back. NT...then GR....then WM. no time to study a script, physically prepare for the role or even take time off to relax.
this is looking like a late 2004 production start for GR ....if we are lucky:(

UPDATE:
Damn..looks like its official :(
this was posted by CountingDown.net...:
From Wizard Magazine:

"In a perfect world, we'd love to be shooting [Ghost Rider] early next year," says Marvel Studios Senior Vice President Kevin Feige. "Writer/director Mark Steven Johnson is halfway through his rewrite of the script and is coming up with spectacular stuff. Nicholas Cage is dying to do 'Ghost Rider.' He's doing a movie called 'National Treasure' as his next project, but after that he wants to do 'Ghost Rider.' We're committed to him and he's committed to the movie. Now it's just a matter of timing."

The second article does sound more promising atleast... since he is dedicated to this project and definitely wants to do it....

Not just "any other movie" just thrown in there to increase his salary and earnings...

Some actors / actresses seem to make so many movies in such a little time...

Affleck shoots like 3 - 4 movies or more a year.... and most of them come out pretty good...

So, I hope they do this when they're ready and don't do a half-@$$ job or anything like that thinking of course people will see it no matter how bad it is because it's a comic book movie...

But, thinking that this is a movie that even if there wasn't a comic series, people would want to see... and would enjoy

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Can someone please tell Cage he isn't superhero material. especially an anti-hero/vigilante like GR.

Well i guess it doensnt matter now whether Cage is attached or that they are going for a PG-13. the likelihood of this movie happening is (again!) becoming unlikely. i wouldnt be suprised if this goes back to where it was originally before Norrington was attached....in pre-production limbo.
Jeeze....this is a major case of "deja vu" all over again

[MarvelMovies]

I'd say a 2005 release... whether early, summer, or late of that year... I'm really hoping that they'll get this mess sorted out... get the movie filmed with expertise and precision... and get the movie out for all to enjoy...

[MarvelMovies]

Ghost Rider movie on track for Early 2004 (shooting I assume).... Nic's next film is a short one and won't get in the way... so says IGN filmforce

[BIGGUN]

I certainly hope so...would hate to have to wait until late 2005/early 2006 to see GR.
With the past troubles Ghost Rider has had in the past it wouldnt really suprise me if it was delayed again or even cancelled
im hoping this is different and they can finally get this thing going.
It was nice though to get a quick response from Marvel about the project....

[dk]

Originally posted by Desslar
Is there any connection between the 60s Ghost Rider (a phantom gunslinger) and the 70s/90s Ghost Rider?

Only the name, really.

Dick Ayers created the western Ghost Rider back in the 50's for Magazine Enterprises. The character had his own book back then, etc. In the late 60's, Ayers was working for Marvel. They revived the western Ghost Rider in a new comic - that's the 60's series you're referring to. It's a slightly different character, but he looks exactly the same as the 50's GR. The copyrights must have lapsed, or since Magazine Enterprises was out of business, Marvel figured they wouldn't sue over the issue.

The western book didn't succeed, but in the mid-70's, Marvel's claim to the name "Ghost Rider" prompted them to come up with the demon biker we all know today. Probably wouldn't have happened if Marvel hadn't decided to revive the western character in the first place.

So there's a historical connection, even though the characters themselves aren't connected.

[Bacchus009]

The ghostrider movie looks like it will truly do the comic justice, seems to be cast tolerably too.

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by BIGGUN
It was nice though to get a quick response from Marvel about the project....

Yeah, only a couple of days... very quick for this kind of business

Movie page of GR Site: Will be up by Sunday night.... the news part atleast.... hopefully...

[iron_man7]

its going to start filming in late 2003 early 2004 for a fall 2004 release

[Desslar]

Originally posted by dk
Only the name, really.

Dick Ayers created the western Ghost Rider back in the 50's for Magazine Enterprises. The character had his own book back then, etc. In the late 60's, Ayers was working for Marvel. They revived the western Ghost Rider in a new comic - that's the 60's series you're referring to. It's a slightly different character, but he looks exactly the same as the 50's GR. The copyrights must have lapsed, or since Magazine Enterprises was out of business, Marvel figured they wouldn't sue over the issue.

The western book didn't succeed, but in the mid-70's, Marvel's claim to the name "Ghost Rider" prompted them to come up with the demon biker we all know today. Probably wouldn't have happened if Marvel hadn't decided to revive the western character in the first place.

So there's a historical connection, even though the characters themselves aren't connected.

Thanks. I was curious about the connection. As someone else pointed out, it appears that the 70s Ghost Rider met a character very similar to his western ancestor in a couple of issues. Wasn't sure if that was supposed to be Ayers' character or not.

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by iron_man7
its going to start filming in late 2003 early 2004 for a fall 2004 release

I hope Late 2003 then.. to have enough time for good CGI

[Winston]

With Nicolas Cage set to star and Mark Steven Johnson set to write and direct, I can't say I'm looking forward to Ghost Rider.

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by MarvelMovies
I hope Late 2003 then.. to have enough time for good CGI

From the looks of things the earliest that they can shoot will be March or April of 2004 and its all dependant on how "short" the Weather Man filming is.
I only hope Columbia doesnt get cold feet from waiting and drop GR like a hot potato like Dimension and Savoy pictures did.
The only good thing out of this mess is that MSJ will have time to polish the script and get all of that other pre-production stuff out of the way (choosing a supporting cast, costuming, props, location sites, stage set ups, ect). All that CGI will be done in post production but this delay will give them time to perfect the flame effects before its needed.

[Dr. Kolsterpus]

I think keifer southerland would be the best for ghost rider.

[WallCrawl]

Originally posted by Dr. Kolsterpus
I think keifer southerland would be the best for ghost rider.

Too late for that now.

[iron_man7]

the weather maan is suposed to be aashort shoot like only 3 weeks so they can start on gr take 3 weeks off then start on gr again

[Crimson_Dynamo]

i am hyped..............no matter how long it takes to debut

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by iron_man7
the weather maan is suposed to be aashort shoot like only 3 weeks so they can start on gr take 3 weeks off then start on gr again

3 weeks? i could see that schedule working ....maybe just do basic stuff before Cage did the Weather Man like getting fitted for the costume. Even do some easy dialogue scenes before the WM shoot and then do all of the difficult stunt scenes when he gets back. Then again all they need is a stunt man to do the bike stunts...no one would know it wasnt Cage if he was wearing the same skull mask and outfit.
But we will see....i wont believe it until they officially start production. This movie has a nasty habit of "almost" getting made and then wiping out right before production gets started.

[Space Ghost]

Come to think of it, I'm pretty hyped about it too. I can't wait any longer to see Ghost Rider, I have to it now! :ghost:

[MarvelMovies]

Nic Cage, I think, is a motorcycle enthusiast himself, so maybe he'll want to do some of the stunts himself...

For the mask and Flames, I think it'll be CGI, so if it was somebody else as GR, it would be ok... but for Johnny Blaze, Nic could do the stunts..

[BIGGUN]

I agree about Cage wanting to do some of the stunts ...whats the point of doing GR if you cant do some of your own stunts?
but there will have to be a limit onto what Cage can do. For the more dangerous scenes it will have to be a stunt man.....i dont think Cage's insurance company will feel too happy if he decided to jump over 20 cars in a skull mask and black leather...heh

[MarvelMovies]

:D That would be a cool scene to have though.. jumping over 20 cars on a stunt bike or something like that...

Ides for the movie...

I'm going to be making a page on the site (which I'll be working on a lot this weekend.. the GR one) with fan's ideas... what the people want to see in the movie...

[BIGGUN]

Here are some idears MarvelM...a few you have heard before only condensed:

1. Ghost Rider should not have eyes, just empty sockets. Maybe when he uses the penance stare you can see a 2 flashes of light but that should be it.
2. GR should be a completely different entity apart from Blaze. They should completely avoid the whole "Blaze personality controling GR" from the very first 30 issues of the 70's book.
3. Do not make GR into a typical "hero" like he was in the 90s book. At least not yet. This Ghost Rider should be seen as evil....but because of Blaze's strong will and good moral character he is able to control what the Ghost Rider does. He should be seen more as a frightening force of nature that just destroys anything that gets in its way.
4. GR should naturally try to avoid killing human targets.....not because of a moral code but rather he prefers his victims to suffer extreme pain for the rest of their days. Maybe have them so mentally wrecked after the penance stare they are deemed insane and have to spend the rest of their life in a mental ward. Non-human targets are a different story ...:)
5. GR should use a mystical chain as his main weapon. Would be kool to see the ability to change anything into a hellfire soaked weapon (like a shotgun) but im not holding my breath on that one.
6. GR should talk some in the movie but maybe just a few lines...and should most definitely laugh at least once in the picture.

Some of these are pretty obvious (like 1 and 2) buts its allways good to make your concerns known.....

[MarvelMovies]

*Goes to work on GR page*

Thanks BIGGUN for your ideas... I'll post them on the fan ideas page.. I'll be making that very soon

[MarvelMovies]

http://www.geocities.com/marvelmania2001/GRMovNews.html

News of 2003 is up!

2002 and 2001 news should be up in about a week... depending on school work...

[BIGGUN]

Looks good MarvelM!!
keep up the good work. look forward to seeing more on your site.....

also you may (if you havent already) check out
http://www.comics2film.com/

they have an area dedicated to fan art ....some of which has some pretty cool GR stuff like this:

http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=11769&f_ssn=

and this

http://www.comics2film.com/DCG/DispArt.php3?f_id=5442&f_ssn=

im sure the artists would be cool if you asked them if you could put their pics on your site....

[Lighthouse]

I like Cage, but I'm getting tired of waiting for him, and I don't think he's the best candidate for Ghost Rider. I think they should try going after Keifer Sutherland and get this baby moving.

[POKI]

MarvelMovies, the page is great, i think !
i really hope this film will get made!

[MarvelMovies]

Yeah, Biggun, I look at the DCG of Comics2Film everyday... and have most of the pictures saved to my computer, of GR done by artists there.. some of those have been done artists here...

I'll e-mail them soon and ask if I could use those pictures for the fan art section...

Thanks for the comments.. I'll be doing the 2002 archive news soon... and should have that up this weekend.. and probably the 2001 news as well...

[MarvelMovies]

http://www.goat.com/ghost_rider.html

http://www.goat.com/Graphics/ghost003.jpg

Cool.

[BIGGUN]

Yeah...that page is pretty cool. came across that myself a few years ago.
although the CGI is somewhat cartoonish it still looks pretty good considering it was made in the early/mid 90s.
Hopefully the flame effects in Ghost Rider will look something like what they did for the Balrog in "Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring".

[iron_man7]

no ghost rider untill 2005 filming is gona start in early mid 2004

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by iron_man7
no ghost rider untill 2005 filming is gona start in early mid 2004

Hopefully.....

[MarvelMovies]

I e-mailed Metropolis Digital, which was mentioned in the article at the above site... the one with the GR CGI... so hopefully, if they still have it... maybe they'll send me the video.. and I can share it with everybody... or some other information...

I couldn't find a contact or e-mail on the Goat page... so I dunno.... this was the only other contact I could find, that was on that page..

[BIGGUN]

Sounds cool...but even if they do have it (which i bet they do) can they legally release it even if its only a short segment of promo cgi? worth a try though.....

[MarvelMovies]

From http://www.ugo.com/mini/tombstone/johnson.asp

(As reported on the main page - http://www.superherohype.com/cgi-bin/news/fullnews.cgi?newsid1060868841,24887, )

UGO has up a new interview with Daredevil director Mark Steven Johnson talking about the new DVD among other things. Here's some interesting bits on Daredevil 2 and Ghost Rider...

.... Skipping down to the Ghost Rider part

UGO: How's Ghost Rider coming along?

MSJ: Awesome. I'm sitting at my screen right now. I'm turning in the draft in a few weeks and I hope to be shooting in the fall.

UGO: Is Nic Cage locked?

MSJ: Right now, Nic is attached. He's a huge fan, with a huge Ghost Rider tattoo on his left shoulder. That's how serious he is.

UGO: Do you see it as Johnny Blaze or Danny Ketch?

MSJ: Johnny Blaze stuntman stuff. I want to take all the stuff from the original and update it. If Evel Knievel was around today, with all his charisma, he'd probably be amazing. He'd be like king of the X-Games and bigger than Tony Hawk. I thought I would do it the way the comics did it.

UGO: But will the look be the Javier Saltares/Mark Texiera one from the '90s?

MSJ: Yeah, that's the one I love. I always liked Johnny Blaze more than Danny Ketch, because I liked that cowboy southwest vibe. But the look was much better later in the Howard Mackie storylines with villains like the [Marvel] Scarecrow.

Hit the link above for the full interview!

Nic Cage has a tattoo of GR on his arm... um.. devoted... yeah... :D

Lots of other good news in that article too... shooting begins this Fall... hopefully... sweetness indeed

[iron_man7]

i hope thats hor it goes

[MarvelMovies]

MSJ: It's just another tool, like everything else. The best is when you don't know it's CGI. CGI is going to be a huge factor in Ghost Rider, but I also want to make it like an old-fashioned monster movie.

Also from UGO.com interview...

[BIGGUN]

but I also want to make it like an old-fashioned monster movie.

Also from UGO.com interview... [/B][/QUOTE]

GROOVY! heh....glad MSJ is taking a "monster movie" feel to GR.....which it should be.
Although w/ Cage's current shooting schedule i doubt they will be shooting until mid 2004 (despite what marvel has said). would be nice if they could get it going earlier though....

[jollyjohnny]

Do you think Scarecrow will be the villain in this? MSJ mentioned him.

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by jollyjohnny
Do you think Scarecrow will be the villain in this? MSJ mentioned him.

Theres a good chance actually.....i remember Scarecrow was mentioned as being a possibility for one of the main villains in the R rated script by goyer.

[MarvelMovies]

Can somebody describe scarecrow.... and the major villians of GR?

[BIGGUN]

MarvelM...
go to this site:
http://wolfefam.homestead.com/files/all.htm

just click on the first letter of the character you are looking for...it should have a good deal of info.
but i can tell you scrarecrow was a vicious serial killer (i think from captain america) w/ some unusual powers. he could create intense fear in his victims making them unable to move which gave him time to "release their fear" w/ his trusty pitchfork. he was also able to contol crows to do his bidding.
his other power was being so flexible he was able to escape any restraining device. there was a cool story in a GR annual where scarecrow was killing all of these innocent people. finally near the end GR caught him. the problem is that scarecorw was immune to the penance stare and GR doesnt kill. so GR decides to break EVERY single bone in scarecrow's body and set each break so they wouldnt heal properly. this made scarecrow (for a time) crippled. brutal...heh
he isnt a villain that can go "toe to toe" w/ GR just more of a "annoyance". he would be good as a background or secondary villain though

[MarvelMovies]

Thanks Biggun for the site...

So many character definitions...

Scarecrow wouldn't be my choice for a villian.. although the breaking bones would look awesome on the big screen...

I'll be finishing the news page (of the archived news) this weekend.. and hopefully, almost be finishing the site, until updates start coming in.. and new things are found..

[BIGGUN]

Yeah...unless they made him into a real scarecrow w/ uber supernatural powers.
also is the fact he is a serial killer....they would have to really be careful in order to get by w/ a pg-13.
i still say they should go w/ Blackheart. a villain that will be more than a match for GR and has a interesting background story as well.

[MarvelMovies]

BLACKHEART

Son of the arch-demon Mephisto, Blackheart is Ghost Rider's greatest nemesis. Armed with ungodly power and a drive for unspeakable evil, Blackheart poses a threat to the entire world.

http://www.aric-dacia.com/pendragons/blackhearthead.jpg

http://www.aric-dacia.com/pendragons/ghostrideruk.html

He is his most powerful villian so says that page...

What does he look like? That's the only picture I can find of him and it only shows his head... and is kind of small

[BIGGUN]

This pic was posted by BigBastard:

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/gallus82/blackheart.jpg


Blackheart would look so cool on the screen and would definately give GR a good skull-poundin...heh

[MarvelMovies]

Woah... Cool. Would definitely look very cool on the Big screen...

GR vs. Blackheart - Battle

We should create what we think should happen / take place in the movie.. what things should be used...

Ok. now for the Bike... I'd say either a Chopper or Cruiser...

[MarvelMovies]

Chopper

http://www.hdcs.se/bilder1/chopper.jpg

http://www.raleighchopper.info/images/history/bargerriding.jpg

http://octoberskies.com/corner/bikes/graphics/chopper.jpg

[MarvelMovies]

Cruiser

http://www.scripps.edu/milligan/carthur/bike1.JPG

(Big Picture) - Awesome Bike though

http://www.scripps.edu/milligan/carthur/bike2.JPG

Same Bike (Different View)

http://www.intruderalert.com/accessories/images/cm2_1400.jpg

[BIGGUN]

What would be cool is if Blaze would ride a cruiser bike...but it changes to a demonic looking chopper style bike when he becomes GR.

[MarvelMovies]

What about GR's bike... Do you think it should be included?

This one...

on this page..

http://www.modelman5.com/tbizghostriderpics.htm (Excellent site for the model GR)

[BIGGUN]

Personally i would like to see just the chopper style only....w/ wheels of hellfire.
although the 90s bike looks cool in a modern sortve way ive always associated the classic GR w/ a chopper style harley. it just screams "im a bad ass demon and im gonna kick your butt"
the 90's bike gave me the message "im a bad ass demon...wanna race?" heh.
now if they decide to bring the Ketch Ghost Rider in the later sequels (if any) then they should use the 90s bike.

[MarvelMovies]

I agree... a Harley on Fire... very bad @$$...

Got the Bike.... and the Villian...

Now... for the look of GR...

I would say either the classic, black leathers, with the leather biker jacket and chain... with black boots....

or... the black long coat as drawn in the concept art of Bernie Wrightson...

He shouldn't be all gigantic and buff as in the latest series where he has a huge upper body.. just the normal human size..

[BIGGUN]

Well if they stick to the idea where it depends on what Blaze is wearing at the time there could be different variations of the costume during the movie. the trenchcoat is a must though...maybe when we first see GR
i think its pretty definate that we will see something like the 90s costume only updated. leather jacket, boots, ect.
i do hope we see some spikes though....but not so many like the 90s version. maybe just on the forearm and knuckles. but if GR does have spikes would they be metal or organic? organic as if made of bone but they look like thorns.
he should be of the same height as Cage....but maybe Cage can wear some lifts to make him more imposing in scenes w/ the villain/villains. Cage is something like 6' already isnt he?

[MarvelMovies]

http://www.imdb.com/Name?Cage,+Nicolas

Height - 6' 1" So, he's a pretty good height already..

I think Metal would be better and more "down to Earth"...

http://www.kenmeyerjr.com/comics/grider.jpg

Maybe, around that many spikes... 3 on each shoulder.. and the ones on his wrists... such as in this next picture...

http://www.patelisentertainment.ca/images/gallery2/b09.jpg

Some spikes around the top of his boots too maybe... such as in the first picture...

[POKI]

i would pürefer a chopper with flaming wheels...and some custom desuign....this will look great !
i thought scarecrow was pretty cool and could be made spooky but blackheart would be cooler... !

[MarvelMovies]

Flaming wheels definitely.... should there be flames on just the wheels or something else as well... maybe the exhaust or handlebars... dunno about that though

[BIGGUN]

Id just keep the wheels of fire...nothing else flaming on the bike. will keep the image very simple but more effective.....this way you will be able to see more of the bike and GR as its speeding by.

[MarvelMovies]

Next topic of interest:

Where should it take place... in a city such as New York / Chicago, a Rural town / local one, or all over... or someplace else you could think of...

Which do you think is the best... for the setting

[BIGGUN]

I would like to see some scenes happening out in rural areas.....mostly like in small towns or long stretches of desert highways. but i would have some scenes happening in a major city...nighttime of course.
would be cool to see the climax of the film take place in a rundown amusement park or carnival. maybe the remains of the blaze's old Quinten Carnival?

[iron_man7]

i think the movie should take place in the desserts out side of las vegas

[MarvelMovies]

I like that setting idea... Stretches of desert highways... maybe outside Vegas, where all you can see is the road and endless sand each way... at night that would look very cool..

The major city could be Vegas possibly... the small towns in flames maybe or small fires around...

Amusement park... a rundown one that has a ghostly feel to it, where nobody is around, but the ferris wheel is still slighty swaying to the wind or something creepy like that...

And... of course, that scene in a Church or something... where there are candles all along the sides, and as GR walks down the alley, the candles bend toward him.. that is one creepy scene..

[BIGGUN]

Las Vegas is a good idea...it was used several times in the 70s series i think.

although i would love to see a church scene but i dont know if MSJ would want to use that kind of location again....he used a church in daredevil for the final battle between DD and bullseye. but again it could done differently if blaze was desperate looking for spiritual help and went to a old run down church that is run by only a few people. this could just be a short dialogue scene.
in addition to the flames of the candles bending towards blaze have a small fountain (forgot what the church calls it.) full of holy water and the water starts to boil and seathe when blaze walks by it

would like to see a cemetary scene though...would be neat. have GR walk into the cemetary and since the land is blessed every step that GR makes it creates steam or smoke on the grass.

[MarvelMovies]

Originally Posted by BIGGUN
although i would love to see a church scene but i dont know if MSJ would want to use that kind of location again....he used a church in daredevil for the final battle between DD and bullseye. but again it could done differently if blaze was desperate looking for spiritual help and went to a old run down church that is run by only a few people. this could just be a short dialogue scene.


True, but like you said, it could be done differently, with either him going through a very small community after a rough battle or just seeking help spiritually since he's 'haunted' by evil spirits such as the "Genius of Hell"...

in addition to the flames of the candles bending towards blaze have a small fountain (forgot what the church calls it.) full of holy water and the water starts to boil and seathe when blaze walks by it

This idea, just seems bad @$$ with the water boiling and steaming... very creepy and mysterious.. love this idea...

would like to see a cemetary scene though...would be neat. have GR walk into the cemetary and since the land is blessed every step that GR makes it creates steam or smoke on the grass.

Another excellent idea, maybe having the last battle in a cemetary where GR or Blackheart goes through a grave stone... or he is dazed and confused and sees his wife's or daughter's or somebody close to him grave.. and remembers the past before his life changed.. and the good times they had... Steam or smoke in his footsteps as he is walking through the graveyard too...

[MarvelMovies]

How about, we start writing a script or plot of how the movie should play out or happen, such as the posts above about how GR should walk through a church or things such as that...

How should the movie start.. and the plot and such...

[BIGGUN]

Hmmm...
well if i was in charge of the script i would make GR into 3 movies all centering around the blaze/gr conflict. have GR slowly become more demonic looking until the final 3rd film. this would be the movie where GR realizes his true power and his name (Zarathos).
in the 3rd film i would have dan ketch become the
"true" ghost rider and both the ketch and blaze GRs would have to duke it out. during the course of the movies blaze would slowly loose control of GR until the final film where he would start threatening innocent people....this is where the ketch GR shows up and has to stop him. if the last film was successful enough i would do maybe a few more centering around the ketch GR while having a "non-possessed" blaze making an appearance or two.

im sticking w/ my idea of using Blackheart escaping hell seeking to create an army on earth so he can kill his father (Satan/Mephisto) to becomes Hell's new ruler. he gathers the worst type of people.....serial killers, thieves, rapists, ect and roams the highways in a caravan . most will just be heavily armed thugs...but others who show more intelligence/use will be given supernatural abilities in exchange for thier souls. this would also be a good chance to intoduce other GR villains like scarecrow, hag and troll, snowblind, meat market, ect. i would also introduce the "soul crystal" from the last few issues of the 70's GR. make it like a weapon that Blackheart has stolen from hell and wants to use to kill his father. the crystal would get its power from human souls....the more souls that it has the more powerfull it will be....and innocent souls are worth much more than corrupt ones.
Blackheart would be traveling all across the world raiding and destroying small towns or settlements. maybe his next target in the movie would be a major city like Las Vegas.
he comes across the Quinten Carnival and takes what he can.
Have Blaze and his surrogate father Crash Simpson as co-owners of the carnival. Blaze is about to marry or is already married to Crash's daughter Roxanne.
when Blackheart arrives his men kill Crash along with most of Blaze's friends and steals a good number of souls (including Roxannes') using the soul crystal.
later a desperate and furious Blaze meets a mysterious stranger (who the audience will guess its satan) and they make a deal.
Blaze as Ghost Rider hunts Blackheart and his men down to deal his own brand of vengeance.
the movie could be blazes struggle to prevent GR from going all out and destroying Blackheart since if BH is dead there is no way of saving Roxanne's soul from the crystal.
Roxanne (by the way) will be in a comatose like state in a hospital. the doctors tell blaze they dont know what happened to her only that its like her mind or her will to live is gone and that her body is slowly dying.

i have a few more ideas about the penance stare and its importance to the movie but im tired o' typin!.....lol

[MarvelMovies]

Nice idea... and story...

Although, I don't think they'll make 3 movies of GR, but you never know... they're making 3 Blade movies and he wasn't very well known...

[BIGGUN]

Tanks MarvelM...
personally id just be happy w/ 1 movie! heh
but it never hurts to wish for the impossible....:)

i mentioned something about the penance stare in my last post and how it would affect the story line. ive always thought when i read the 90s series how both dan and GR would share memories of what the other did while in the mortal world. it occurred to me that when GR gave someone the penance stare he would be able to read or look into the mind of the person on the recieving end of the stare. GR would see all of the evil things that this person has done to innocent people. now wouldnt it make sense that dan would at least remember some of the things that GR saw?
now i was thinking....here we have Blaze a good person of strong character and morality. after a few years on the road changing into the Ghost Rider and dishing out the penance stare to hundreds of evil people, Blaze also remembers some of the things that GR saw while giving the penance stare.
he would remember seeing people being killed, tortured, beaten, raped on a day to day basis. think how this would affect you....and keep in mind this isnt just like watching a tv show. since GR looks into a person's mind everthing "seen" there will seem real. i would suspect that any normal person would start to get depressed and probably start making decisions that he/she wouldnt normally make.
this would be cool idea (imo) if Satan was already aware of Blaze's good moral character but knew that the longer he was bonded to the Ghost Rider the longer he would be exposed to elements that would weaken his resolve and morale.
this way Blaze's will is starting to weaken which will make it easier for GR to take complete control of his body.

[MarvelMovies]

Kind of like his memory is haunting him... good idea..

After seeing so much of this evil in the world, much of it is bound to affect him... whether he (as a person) becomes evil, has no disregard for human life after seeing so much wrongness that he begins to think it's just a part of life...

Or he contemplates suicide or begins to go insane, mentally going crazy... or something...

I could see them doing a lot with this topic..

[BIGGUN]

Heres another idea that Goyer had planned in his R script that concerned the penance stare. he said that the plan was that if someone had too many "sins" the person would burn up as a result of the stare.
now for a pg 13 they couldnt do this often in the movie...but they could do it to the head baddie....especially if he was a demon.
I would also make it that the penance stare only works on beings that have a soul....since demons dont have one the stare would of course not work on them.

if i was in charge (heh) i would do it this way. im not sure about Blackheart's origins...we know he is the son of the Devil but who is his mother? for the movie i would infer that Satan wanted an heir and had deliberately impregnated a human female hundreds of years ago.... blackheart was a result. Satan took blackheart as a infant and brought him to Hell to teach him the proper ways of "demonship". he also took BH's human soul since it would just "get in the way of his training". years pass....BH proves to be a dissapointment to his father and they start trying to kill one another....or at least BH tries to kill his father. BH ecsapes hell w/ the soul crystal and creates havok like i mentioned before in a above post.
At the climax GR and BH fight it out ....but eventually BH starts to lose and tries to get away from GR to heal. as he escapes he runs into his father. Satan gloats over his son's current situation and eventually turns to leave but then says something like "I have something for you.....dont say I never gave you anything." Satan places his hand on BH's head ...a quick flash of light...and BH gets his human soul back. BH just realizing what happened screams at his father but doesnt see GR standing behind him. he turns gR grabs him and gives him the penance stare. BH screams in pain and starts to feel the agony that he has given to literally millions of people over the course of his life. he would slowly start to smoke and catch fire where he would finally at the end blow up "real good" into tiny demon bits.

now the whole backstory for Blackheart would be a bit long if explained in the movie. However, it could be shorted and used in Satan's gloating speech to his son at the end.

[Jaguar God]

I don't think it will be PG13. NC17 is more likely. And Nic Cage shouldn't be Blaze.

[BIGGUN]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jaguar God
[B]I don't think it will be PG13. NC17 is more likely.


Too late..Mark Steven Johnson and company already said it would be PG 13...that was one of the reasons why Steven Norrington left.
if they made it NC 17 it wouldnt make very much money at the box office...and Marvel wants to make as much $$ as possible off of each adaptation.

[Jaguar God]

too bad

[MarvelMovies]

Pretty good idea Biggun... about the 'Origin' of Blackheart...

It would be a good loop kind of thing, or how he begins to fight his father, and then at the end his father (Satan) really gets the best of him making it so GR could kill him.. I like it...

The very beginning of the movie could be a short (5 min or so) of how the Devil impregnated a human female and 9 months later BH was born and...

Wait a second, I just had a good idea.. I think
... What if during the birth of BH from the mother in the hospital... the woman died during birth killing the almost born Blackheart as well, and sending him to Hell, along with the woman since she wasn't a very good person in the first place...

Skip a couple of hundred years or so maybe... and then it continues where BH fights Satan... and escapes Hell to the surface where he torments the human race as you said.. and then the rest of it happens throughout the course of the movie..

They (BH & GR) could have 2 (possibly 3) battles.. in the first one they fight, but it's kind of a stalemate... OR have BH beat the monkeys out of GR nearly killing him, before he escapes... somehow

When they meet again, BH again beats GR up real bad and is about to kill him when Satan arises from the ground (or something - I kind of picture Satan here as a Grim Reeper kind of person with long coats dragging around him.. raggidy looking, and you can't see his face.. maybe his glowing eyes)

Anyways, BH then gets his human soul back... GR with the little strength he has left does the penance stare and begins to feel the pain and agony... then he smokes and dissintegrates into ashes..

Maybe, also during this scene you see GR just collapse to the ground and dissappear.... having the effect that he died as well..

In the next scene...
(Gas Station in almost the middle of nowhere)
You see the bell above the door move, such as when somebody comes through the door and the camera pans down after the man walks by...

The camera follows him as he walks up to the register.. he asks for something.. maybe cigarettes... then he turns around and you see his face as Johnny Blaze...

He then walks outside, wearing a leather jacket.. and snaps his fingers and the cigarette he just pulled out of the pack is lit and he rides off on his motorcyle..

This last scene would give you the impression that GR is still alive since Blaze lit the cigarette w/o a lighter, and you could see a gleem in his eyes... very cool ending IMO.. what do you think..

[POKI]

this...all..sounds....great http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/contrib/sarge/Drooling_anim.gif
please, this is really great, if the script is ANYTHING like your ideas, this movie will be a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG box office success to comic fans, horror movie fans and ...uhm...everyone else !

[BIGGUN]

Tanks Poki...:D
good idears there MarvelM...but ive been picturing Jon Voight as the human form of Satan....no make up...just looks like a normal human. but there will be hints that he "not right".
Satan's real form could be very quick shots...like everytime Voight walks under a shadow you see a outline of his true form....a large hulking mass.....something definately non-human in appearance. something so horrible a normal mortal would go insane or die from fright. something out of a H.P. Lovecraft book.....
the cigeratte idea is another good....but instead of blaze doing it i would have voight. say when they both meet (in a dimly lit small bar in the middle of nowhere) Voight takes out a cig and simply puts it in his mouth and starts smoking....doesnt light it. blaze notices this and then sees that the shadows behind Voight start to move slowly on their own and whisper to each other.....
this is blaze's first realization he may be dealing w/ the devil after all......
the 2 fights between GR and BH is also good....once in the middle of the film and of course at the end....

for BH i would make him partially insane....this is because of his half demon/human heritage. another reason why satan doesnt want his son in charge of Hell. like Satan BH will have a human persona as well (who would act this part i dunno...) but will change into his real form alot in the movie....unlike satan.
also about Roxanne.....as well as being in the hospital w/out a soul, and hooked up to respirators, life support machines, ect..what if she was also pregnant w/ Blaze's child right when her soul was stolen? this way there is more stress on blaze...he has limited time to get her soul back or both his wife and unborn child will die....

[POKI]

this would be really really cool !!!!!!!!!
i especially like the idea of an abandoned amusement park, could work out really creepy !!!!!!!!

[MarvelMovies]

BIGGUN
also about Roxanne.....as well as being in the hospital w/out a soul, and hooked up to respirators, life support machines, ect..what if she was also pregnant w/ Blaze's child right when her soul was stolen? this way there is more stress on blaze...he has limited time to get her soul back or both his wife and unborn child will die....

That would send chills down my back if I saw this on the big screen.. that would really give him a motive for fighting BH... excellent idea... superb

Voight takes out a cig and simply puts it in his mouth and starts smoking....doesnt light it.

This scene too... perfect...

Just puts it in and smokes it... I could picture that now.... a chill straight down your spine.. :D

[MarvelMovies]

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&output=search&q=blackheart

Blackheart Images

http://www.myezboard.com/projects/ezboard/ezboard_userimages/magicsrpgrealm/images/blackheart-firefix.gif

[BIGGUN]

Kool pics dere MarvelM :)

was thinking of something kindve funny but something that would show how tough GR is. say in one of thier fights BH hits GR so hard his jawbone comes loose on 1 side (still hangs onto the skull though..but its dangling..). GR camly gets up....takes both hands and pushes his jaw back into place....the jaw moves back and forth to make sure it works ok....and GR just says...."....pathetic" and starts to wail spiked fist shots on BH's noggin. heh

[MarvelMovies]

Like a dislocated jaw... that would definitely show how strong he is..

How does Blaze actually turn into GR?

Does it just touch a button on his bike like in the Hulk episode.. or does he have to do something such as get angry.. or is it just whenever he wants to?

[BIGGUN]

Ahhh..this is where it gets interesting....
i wouldnt use the cap on the bike...maybe for Ketch later on.
i would do it like this...in the beginning Blaze should be able to control his transformations. since his will is still strong he is able to decide when and where GR should show up. but in later films it should be difficult. as Blaze starts to get depressed his will starts to weaken. GR will then be able to take over. soon it will be like a tug of war between the 2.
but for the 1st film Blaze should be calling the shots. however i would keep with the idea that GR can only show up during night time. when the sun rises ghost rider has to go back and allow blaze back into his body.

the very end of the 1st film Roxanne is saved and has her soul back as well as some of the others who were also trapped in the crystal. blaze and roxanne hug and kiss in the hospital finally being re-united after several long months. but john cant stay....he fears that GR is too unpredictable and may even hurt roxanne, his friends, or even his child. he also has to hunt down the remaining members of BH's cult as per the agreement w/ Satan. he gets on his bike and rides off into the distance as the sun sets.....soon it shows Blaze turn into GR. riding towards the camera at fast speed GR is laughing as the grinning skull fills the screen until the camera focuses in on one of GR's empty eye sockets. the entire screen goes black....credits roll

[POKI]

god, where do you get such great ideas from...
really this is BRILLIANT !
was thinking of something kindve funny but something that would show how tough GR is. say in one of thier fights BH hits GR so hard his jawbone comes loose on 1 side (still hangs onto the skull though..but its dangling..). GR camly gets up....takes both hands and pushes his jaw back into place....the jaw moves back and forth to make sure it works ok....and GR just says...."....pathetic" and starts to wail spiked fist shots on BH's noggin. heh
cool

[phlogiston]

That is badass, but he shouln't say pathetic. If he doesn't say anything besides his usual spirit of vengeance stuff that wouldbe badass. Of course if he said something like "I do not feel pain." that wouldbe cool as well. To cut down on special effects and bring up the more monster movie feel, they should film parts of him moving rather than all of him as a whole in the beginning. Like the blur of his bike moving by, and then it pans over the trail of fire. Or zoom in on his boots and cue heavy chain sound effects and random fire lighting. Make the big reveal of Ghost Rider toward the middle. Makes him tougher. :ghost:

[MarvelMovies]

Nice idea for an ending of riding off into the sunset... but that's not all.. and then straight at the camera, laughing and screaming.. and into the glowing eye of fire..

Cool avatar Phlogiston... your idea kind of sounds like the Hulk in the very beginning how you only saw a very little of him at first, and even though you knew Bruce had made the transformation, it was inferred.. instead of actually shown.. then they showed the Hulk in all his glory :hulk:

[iron_man7]

i like the jaw idea

[phlogiston]

Yeah, as long as he's stoic, not maniacal. Maybe the pnuematic machinery trick from terminator for him to punch through the windshield of a car as he runs into it head on, and grabs the villains out.

Should Ghost rider have a manipulatable skull? For talking and facial expressions?

[BIGGUN]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by POKI
[B]god, where do you get such great ideas from...
really this is BRILLIANT !

Many tanks POKI :)

GR should definitely have a moving jaw for talking..and imo should have a "frown" or scowl as in both 70s and 90s books. it just wouldnt be GR if he didnt look constantly PO'd all the time :)
i can see them using cgi to give life to the skull.....i just hope the cgi quality is good enough to keep it from looking cartoonish...
one other thing ....GR should not have eyes.

Personally im hoping for a more "maniacal" GR instead of the stoic version from the 90s book. The 70s GR had much more personality imo...the way he "smack talked" both enemies and victims. I do like the idea of GR punching in a window to grab somebody...makes him look ruthless. or maybe even tear the roof off of a car to get at someone....

[MarvelMovies]

Stoic - One who is seemingly indifferent to or unaffected by joy, grief, pleasure, or pain

Maniacal - Suggestive of or afflicted with insanity

They both sound good to me.. insane and unaffected by emotion, a ruthless killer, but... I don't want him to be a Terminator who just kills w/o feeling other then getting the job done..

I'd like for him to have emotion, and feel the ones he hurts and loves... but also in a ruthless way so that he kills and feel emotion if you know what I mean.. Kind of like the Terminator in the later films when he gets human emotion from John....

I think his skull should move for emotion and such instead of just a standard mask that can't move and just has one expression...

Where should the final battle take place... and the first battle?

At a church was my initial idea, but people would think it's a copy off of DD....

So, a graveyard would be a good idea as suggested before, or a rundown building / factory set on fire...but I'm not too sure...

[BIGGUN]

Hmmmm.
my feeling for the 1st battle w/ BH should cover several i think. maybe it starts on the road on a moving vehicle then it spills out to someplace that has a lot of people. but the fight ends in a cemetary with BH either beating GR or just gets away.
ill stick w/ the idea of the final battle taking place at blaze's old Quinten Carnival. it still stands but its pretty banged up after BH's men ran amok and trashed it months earlier.

i can imagine the scene for the final fight where GR hears BH taunting him . he is led to a huge tent (where they always had the large motorbike stunt shows and main attractions) and GR is demading that BH show himself. lots of shadows and a little moonlight shining through the many holes in the roof.
GR walks further...and you see a large shadow move on the wall behind him.....then you see red eyes appear in the darkness as BH slowly grows out of the shadow and takes solid form. BH comes up behind GR and gets a cheap shot in :)

[MarvelMovies]

I agree that the rundown Quinten Carnival is the best choice the final battle... with lots of using shadows and creepy things like that..

Almost sounds like a Scooby Doo episode.. Ahh! :eek:

I can picture BH coming out of the Shadow... such as the shadow takes solid form, EXcellent! idea.. I wouldn't have it any other way... although, I think this is from a movie I've seen before, or maybe a cartoon... can't think of it though, but a great thing that should make the movie...

Maybe, for another scene.. (maybe even a teaser of somesort)
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Have a thug(s) chase a girl down a dark alley at night... with newspapers blowing around in the wind.. and boxes of trash placed here and there with a dumpster at the end... and a fire escape coming down to the street below

The girl is slammed up against the dumpster as she tries to fend off her attackers with her purse, but to no avail.. she screams... but nobody is there to rescue...

The thug begins to kiss her on her neck, and then a noise is hear, whistling in the wind.. the thug turns his head, but only sees the garbage / newspapers blowing in the wind...

He continues to kiss her (now on the cheek) as her head turns from side to side... almost defenseless against the side of the dumpster, with the fire escape ladder behind them...

The wind blows one more time, and the ladder comes crashing down startling the thug and he turns his head one more time..

A cigarette butt is tossed by his feet.. he looks down at it... and then slowly picks up his head...

nothing is there... but the ladder, now down to the ground...

Then, a flaming skull mask comes out of the shadows, laughing maniacally.... laughing... the thug turns around with a switch blade in his hand... scared out of his friggin' mind...

A scream is let out... by the girl.. fade to black...

Ghost Rider burns it's way through the darkness, in a realistic fire... as if the blackness was paper, his name sizzles his way through instead of just appearing.. 2004 (or 2005) is placed on the screen and possibly a season such as Spring or Winter....

End teaser / trailer

I like it.. what do you think...

[phlogiston]

Originally posted by MarvelMovies
Stoic - One who is seemingly indifferent to or unaffected by joy, grief, pleasure, or pain

Maniacal - Suggestive of or afflicted with insanity

They both sound good to me.. insane and unaffected by emotion, a ruthless killer, but... I don't want him to be a Terminator who just kills w/o feeling other then getting the job done..

I'd like for him to have emotion, and feel the ones he hurts and loves... but also in a ruthless way so that he kills and feel emotion if you know what I mean.. Kind of like the Terminator in the later films when he gets human emotion from John....



I didn't mean that he would be completely unaffected by what was happening around him, but he wouldn't be aughing uncontrollably, I think people will laugh at him laughing and that would sort of take away from him. I think the image of a flaming skull is striking enough, without violent laughter. In all of the comics I've read with him in it, I've never seen him laugh, he was always concerned with the deaths of innocents, and he was ruthless in his apprehension/execution of teh villains. I think I remember him yelling "NooOooO" a few times but by stoic, I meant that he was always not calm but calculatively pained and passionate about the deaths of innocents. That it was his duty to see that they were avenged. I respect your opinon about the maniacal thing, but I just don't see the character doing that.:)

I did a sketch of old GR today, mabe I'll post it later... on the fan art.:D

[MarvelMovies]

Always want GR Fan art... for the Fan art section of my GR site.. which, although many delays, I worked on it a lot yesterday... and will work on it more today... and hopefully have it completely updated with all the info so far by Saturday... maybe Friday if I get moving...

I'd like for him to protect the innocent, and feel for their deaths, but not so much as to be a soft kind of person... still have a tough side, but is affected and harmed by the killing of a innocent person or the raping of a person.... so he can give vengeance to the person who did the wrong doing..

Not laughing uncontrollably either.. I agree with you, maybe here and there, but an evil laugh, such as when you're happy that something is going your way and not somebody elses (the bad guy)...

[BIGGUN]

Actually that idea about the shadow comes from the movie "The Shadow" w/ Alec Baldwin. that one cool scene where the shadow literally comes out of a shadow on a wall. i cant help it....shadows are creepy! heh

Phlogiston.....as far as GR laughing the 90s GR did laugh very briefly in the comic in a few of the later issues. i think ivan perez was the writer...but it didnt last long and i will agree w/ you it didnt fit the 90s GR personality at all.
BUT....my take is on the 70s GR (whose real name was Zarathos) who laughed quite a bit. if you can find them pick up some of the last 10 or so issues of the 70's GR. you will see what im talking about. however i would keep it toned down like you said....maybe do it at the end of the movie right before the credits come up and maybe at the beginning where he makes his 1st appearance. IMO....if the scene is shot correctly and the cgi looks realistic the laughing would work quite well.

That would make for a kool trailer MarvelM :)

[POKI]

everytime i come here this thread has about 2 pages full of great ideas...i really really hope msj comes here or some executives ! :) i wish i could come up with stuff like that !
that would really make a great trailer...
i have a little question...did gr jump in some issues and if he did, can he jump high ? i just want to know that...
they could make him part stoical when he's thinking and rescuing someone from criminals but i'd like to see him manically when fighting heart...
damn...i wanna see blackheart desperately !

[phlogiston]

Alright, this is cool that people are agreeing with each other on this board. This has to be one of the more mature boards on superherohype. Now that I know that Zarathos did laugh in the early years, I can see him doing that better. MarvelMovies, you stated it perfectly "an evil laugh, such as when you're happy that something is going your way and not somebody elses (the bad guy)..." that is precisely the kind of laugh I can see ghost rider doing. During the laugh it would be cool to see various effects in the flame when Gost Rider's mood changes. like, say he's really mad, his flame would become large and high, and when he laughed his flame would go down and shoot off sparks, or his skull would be black and have glowing embers in its cracks. Man, there's so many good ways to do this stuff in this movie.

[BIGGUN]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by phlogiston
[B]Alright, this is cool that people are agreeing with each other on this board. This has to be one of the more mature boards on superherohype.

Well us Ghost Rider fans have to stick together..heh.
GR has great potential as a movie....it covers sooo many issues. Faith, religion, family, love, hate, justice, and vengeance vengeance vengeance! :)
The 70s GR was fun...the way he enjoyed seeing people afraid of him and the way he was irritated by innocent bystanders. if he had to save someone his normal response was "Bah! Weakling mortal!" A true "Anti-Hero" in every sense of the word.
the great thing about the movie is that they can now take the best parts from both 70s and 90s books to make the best possible film. so more than likely fans of both books should be pleased....

I do hope either MSJ or someone at Marvel checks this forum out. would be too cool to see some of our suggestions up on the big screen. But even if that never happens hopefully MSJ will come up w/ stuff thats even better than our ideas.

BTW...you mentioned how GR's flame would get larger/change color if he was angry? they mentioned that idea a few years ago while putting together the R rated script. i think they were going to have GR's flame become more red to show how angry he was at the time....

[MarvelMovies]

The flame idea is pretty cool I think..

It gets red as he becomes mad, and using phlogiston's idea of making sparks shoot off his skull like a flickering fire or something like that getting more and more out of control...

If MSJ did check out this thread, that would be so awesome to have these ideas / thoughts in the movie...

I wish there was a Ghost Rider forum (even though this thread is really good), but I guess we have to wait for more news to come out from the movie...

[POKI]

the great thing about the movie is that they can now take the best parts from both 70s and 90s books to make the best possible film. so more than likely fans of both books should be pleased....
that's superb because they really can use the best of both worlds and add new stuff since it has not such a HUGE fanbase as spidey and other heroes...
i guess msj is the right man for the job, he's got great ideas !

[Gambit8370]

I'd like to see an interpretation of Ghost Rider by H.R.Giger.

[MarvelMovies]

My Ghost Rider site is finally up...

http://www.digitalentropy.net/Internapse/GRMain.html

Some sections aren't up yet... and many things will be added within' the upcoming weeks...

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by Gambit8370
I'd like to see an interpretation of Ghost Rider by H.R.Giger.

http://www.hrgiger.com/

Bad A$$!!!

The first picture you see on that site is awesome..

I'd love to see him draw Ghost Rider too...

Try contacting him here.. (through his agent)

Project Proposals
projects@hrgigeragent.com

http://www.hrgiger.com/leslie.htm

If you click on H.R. GIGER AGENT at the bottom, you'll see where I got the info from...

[POKI]

cool site, looks like you really put a lot of work into it !!!!
will you really do an ideas page ?

[MarvelMovies]

Originally posted by POKI
cool site, looks like you really put a lot of work into it !!!!
will you really do an ideas page ?

Thanks.

Yeah, there will be an idea page... most of them... if not all of them.. coming from this thread right here...

I've gathered some already... and will probably start that page sometime this week.... hopefully to have it up by next Saturday (or so)...

[BIGGUN]

Keep up the good work MarvelM....should be a nice site once everything is done.

Giger would be an excellent choice....i would have him do the design for the bio-mechanical bike....and maybe even a design for either Satan or Blackheart.
if they ever do a Ghost Rider 2099 (which is highly doubtful) Giger should do the design for the android GR body

[MarvelMovies]

Thanks Biggun...

They should definitely make a new Ghost Rider series.. back to the origin, maybe an Ultimate version of the comic... would be very cool

[rasputin386]

Wow, I am so impressed that this topic is going so well! I completely agree w/you MarvelMovies, they should at least make an Ultimate GR mini series! Keep the Spirit of Vengeance alive!

Peace,
-The Heroic Hemophiliac (and proud starter of this thread may I add)

[Mr_Rocal]

Wasn't there a GR cartoon........about the same time as the 90's Spiderman cartoon?

[BIGGUN]

Originally posted by Mr_Rocal
Wasn't there a GR cartoon........about the same time as the 90's Spiderman cartoon?

Sadly no :(
But there was a GR guest spot on the Hulk 90's cartoon....there was also a very brief cameo in the 90s Fantastic 4 animated series. I think GR even gave Galactus the penance stare in that one.
There was also a brief cameo shot (only like 2 or secs) in the 90s X-Men series. he was part of Gambit's memories being shown on a monitor.

There was interest in making a series though.....i even talked to Avi Arad about it a long time ago. They considered doing it like the Spawn cartoon (extremely dark and violent) but apparently that didnt go through. Seems they decided to do just a guest spot on the Hulk instead


As far as doing another GR series i completely agree w/ you MarvelM.....it needs to be a Ultimates type of thing. The character has a lot of potential which i dont think will be achieved through a ordinary monthly comic book.

[MarvelMovies]

I have the 2 second (or so) clip of GR in the X-Men episode of Gambit's memory on the monitor... but need to get it out of the episode and don't know how... :confused:

I'll post pictures from this commercial that Biggun sent me... since hosting it will be a problem for me, until I get a bigger host... but will somehow make it possible for people to get the commercial if they want it..

Also, I'll post pics / animated gifs from the GR appearance in the Hulk episode... and will make it available for download through contact..

I haven't been able to find the F4 episode yet.. but if you have it, please let me know... Thanks.

[Creature SH]

Please.... No Giger. I don't want GR to ride a big phallus.

[Gambit8370]

Nah, Giger would keep the motorcycle.

But you might get a Penance Penis.

[badash55]

Originally posted by Gambit8370
I'd like to see an interpretation of Ghost Rider by H.R.Giger.

As much as I like his work, I don't think his style of artwork would fit Ghost Rider. However, I think Joseph Vargo would be the perfect guy to design Ghost Rider and his villians. Heres some of his work

http://www.monolithgraphics.com/images/tarot/13-dth.gif

http://www.monolithgraphics.com/images/tarot/c-08.gif

http://www.monolithgraphics.com/images/calendars/99aprtn.gif

If you want to check out more of his work and find out more about him, heres a link.

http://www.monolithgraphics.com/

[Desslar]

Any hope of a guest appearance by Team America in the Ghost Rider movie? I remember one issue where the Marauder beat up on GR.

[MarvelMovies]

Pretty cool pictures badash55....

I wonder how far MSJ is on the script... After Nic Cage finishes his next movie (which is a shorter shoot then usual)... then on to Ghost Rider!

I'm going to see his new movie, Matchstick Men tonight...