The Super Boards Official \S/uper-manips Thread!

[IT is Batgirl]

http://comics2film.com/DCG/art/Art16887.jpg

[Phantomex]

Sometimes it appears if I reload the page. I don't know why it's such a pain.

[Superman]

hmmm, capitals for "I"s and after each sentence...looks like you were being careful with your typing? you wanted to be sure you were spelling things correctly and your sentence structure was right...do i detect that you were cutting and pasting from Word?
and btw, if you didnt get the joke about your avatar then you might be a few peas short of a full pod -- or you might just have a rod crammed up your anus.

You infantile eruption of mildewed nose pickings.That is just about enough out of you. Both of you drop it now.

[CAPoholic]

These are my Tarentino superman posters

I couldnt decide which one I should do so I did both.

Dark
http://img89.exs.cx/img89/5990/SUpermanposterBlack.jpg

Light
http://img79.exs.cx/img79/6356/Supermanposterwhite2.jpg

Ive done some Batman begins and elektra ones too.

[IT is Batgirl]

These are my Tarentino superman posters

I couldnt decide which one I should do so I did both.

Dark
http://img89.exs.cx/img89/5990/SUpermanposterBlack.jpg

Light
http://img79.exs.cx/img79/6356/Supermanposterwhite2.jpg

Ive done some Batman begins and elektra ones too.

Artsy!

These will be uploaded to br.c (www.brandonrouth.com)

[Superman]

Cool. :up:

[CAPoholic]

Thanx

[Steelsheen]

Here you go, I changed his hair, and adjusted the face a little bit:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/wildezc/ROUTHASSUPERMAN2.jpg
please dont anybody take this the wrong way ok, but i was just wondering if anybody here bothered to even just shoot an email to Carlo Pagulayan at least informing him that you guys are gonna use his work and manip someone else's face on it?

i've conversed with aspiring/ professional comic book artists before (in fact i'm sitting next to a couple right now), and based on those conversations the artists do feel offended when people do something like this, arguments range from intellectual property rights issues to simply respecting the artist. they feel "violated" for lack of a better word. they said they slaved over a particular piece, so much more effort poured onto it versus someone just pointing a camera and clicking away. a bit more respect for work like these they said would be so much more appreciated specially if its coming from mutual fans.

that's all. i just noticed that lots of you folks were knockin someone and although i know you guys were knockin him due to a particular reason, he does have a point from another point of view.

PS: btw, if anyone still wants to get in touch with the artist whose work this manip is based on, you can go to his website at http://www.carlopagulayan.com

[Superman]

please dont anybody take this the wrong way ok, but i was just wondering if anybody here bothered to even just shoot an email to Carlo Pagulayan at least informing him that you guys are gonna use his work and manip someone else's face on it?

i've conversed with aspiring/ professional comic book artists before (in fact i'm sitting next to a couple right now), and based on those conversations the artists do feel offended when people do something like this, arguments range from intellectual property rights issues to simply respecting the artist. they feel "violated" for lack of a better word. they said they slaved over a particular piece, so much more effort poured onto it versus someone just pointing a camera and clicking away. a bit more respect for work like these they said would be so much more appreciated specially if its coming from mutual fans.

that's all. i just noticed that lots of you folks were knockin someone and although i know you guys were knockin him due to a particular reason, he does have a point from another point of view.

PS: btw, if anyone still wants to get in touch with the artist whose work this manip is based on, you can go to his website at http://www.carlopagulayan.comYou may have a point, I'll ask the other mods about this and see what they say about it.

[CAPoholic]

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[Ricky_Tan]

please dont anybody take this the wrong way ok, but i was just wondering if anybody here bothered to even just shoot an email to Carlo Pagulayan at least informing him that you guys are gonna use his work and manip someone else's face on it?

i've conversed with aspiring/ professional comic book artists before (in fact i'm sitting next to a couple right now), and based on those conversations the artists do feel offended when people do something like this, arguments range from intellectual property rights issues to simply respecting the artist. they feel "violated" for lack of a better word. they said they slaved over a particular piece, so much more effort poured onto it versus someone just pointing a camera and clicking away. a bit more respect for work like these they said would be so much more appreciated specially if its coming from mutual fans.

that's all. i just noticed that lots of you folks were knockin someone and although i know you guys were knockin him due to a particular reason, he does have a point from another point of view.

PS: btw, if anyone still wants to get in touch with the artist whose work this manip is based on, you can go to his website at http://www.carlopagulayan.com

agreed.

[Zorex]

a drawing I did...

don't worry, I was trying to be crazy and non-classic :p

http://img110.exs.cx/img110/1816/crazySupescostume.jpg

[triplet]

You may have a point, I'll ask the other mods about this and see what they say about it.
I hope they also agree, I never thought about it like that but he's right. A painting is a lot different than a photo.

I hope the other mods agree as well.

[gdw]

Pardon the long respons.

Well, in my opinion, and apparently the laws, if it is not being used for profit then there is no issue. Similar to the use of copyrighted music. It is fine as long as what you use it for is never used for financial profit.

Also when you put these things out on the net you open your self and your art or music or whatever up to these things. That is why some places code their images and what not so that you are unable to remove them or copy them from the site. This is more or less the only way that people can say hey I don't want you to do this, and actually prevent them from doing so.

Personally I produce a lot of art work and I have no problem with others using them for manips and what not. I also know that others do. They should then take precautions to prevent this. Otherwise they should simply be aware that by placing said work on the net they make it available for these types of things. You put an image on the net then chances are you are aware that people can simply right click 'save image as' and what not.

If you don't want this to be done with your work then you do things to prevent it.

We are not talking about taking peoples work and claiming it as our own. That would be a clear cut moral and legal issue. Manips clearly do not fall under this as they are ‘Manips’ which by definition are the 'manipulation' of other images. They are not inherently original. If the creator of the manip wanted it to use their own work as the starting point of the manip, well that is their choice and also rather pointless as if they start with their own work, why wouldn't they just have done that work the way they will do it in the manip. That would be doing the work twice with one image instead of doing it once with one image. Or twice with two images.

The point is that it is generally understood and associated that manips use reference/route material. As such said route material is not being subject to claims of fraudulent originality.

These route pieces are made available by the true creators by placing them on the net. Unless precautions are taken to ensure other wise they assume acceptance that said work can be saved to someone else’s computer and used as they like, so long as it is not claimed as their own.

The best way to be cautious if you must is to simply credit the source.

Also if we start seeking permission to use every piece that we do n our manips, then we now must seek permission of the people who are in the photographs that we use as well as the people who take them, as photos are prized by the photographers as their work as much as art is by artists. Also ones likeness is treated the same way, especially by celebrities.

This would mean that we would have to go and seek permission to use Rouths likeness and any photo's we wish to use, similarly with Welling and Reeve, or anyone else. This is why these things are simply available on the net, unless the creator states and takes measures otherwise. That may sound presumptuous but such is the way things are. It is also, as I have said, why said precautions are available.

Again if one is to take images, photos and or artwork and use them for a news site or report that is a different topic as it fall's under the category of claiming originality. Using someone else’s scoop or source as if it your own to claim as a head line.

If an artist truly has a problem with this type of thing then it is up to them to take the precautions and steps provided by the law and the tools that they have access to if they wish to use the net and let their work into that world. It is up to us too follow and respect those restrictions when they are in place.

Otherwise these things are open to the public.

[triplet]

Again if one is to take images, photos and or artwork and use them for a news site or report that is a different topic as it fall's under the category of claiming originality. Using someone else’s scoop or source as if it your own to claim as a head line.

If an artist truly has a problem with this type of thing then it is up to them to take the precautions and steps provided by the law and the tools that they have access to if they wish to use the net and let their work into that world. It is up to us too follow and respect those restrictions when they are in place.

Otherwise these things are open to the public.
I totally disagree with every word that you wrote here.

Copyright is implicit upon creation of a work. I'm not an entertainment lawyer or anything, but I did take a class on entertainment law at school.

I believe that, at least technically, manipping is illegal since you are modifying copyright protected images without permission. Although I don't think anyone will actually prosecute, however.

Given the artist in question may not want his work being altered, I would think that people might respect his wishes as much as they respect his work.

[Superman1314]

I totally disagree with every word that you wrote here.

Copyright is implicit upon creation of a work. I'm not an entertainment lawyer or anything, but I did take a class on entertainment law at school.

I believe that, at least technically, manipping is illegal since you are modifying copyright protected images without permission. Although I don't think anyone will actually prosecute, however.

Given the artist in question may not want his work being altered, I would think that people might respect his wishes as much as they respect his work.

I disagree with your disagrement. I asked my law prophesor, and he said it's fine as long as it's not being used to make profits, like being used for a paid advertisement or an actual movie poster.

[Steelsheen]

Pardon the long respons.

Well, in my opinion, and apparently the laws, if it is not being used for profit then there is no issue. Similar to the use of copyrighted music. It is fine as long as what you use it for is never used for financial profit.

Also when you put these things out on the net you open your self and your art or music or whatever up to these things. That is why some places code their images and what not so that you are unable to remove them or copy them from the site. This is more or less the only way that people can say hey I don't want you to do this, and actually prevent them from doing so
dude, its all about being respectful, about asking permission even if the work was given away freely. not a single penny need to be involved to show respect. obviously no artist would post their work on the net freely if their purpose is to make a buck, they're all about sharing their talents. this is just direct feedback from aspiring artists who are mutually superhero fans. i was browsing the boards and they were with me talking. they were admiring the work Carlo Pagulayan has done and how far he has come, conversation turned to the work he posted on the K-Site and i showed the version posted in this thread. then we spotted Wilde's work. i even commented that it looked like a really seamless manip, but looking at their faces suffice it to say the job wasnt exactly appreciated. that's when they asked if Carlo was ok with all this. we read the posts before and after the manip and obviously the idea wasnt even brought up. a mini debate ensued with me going to the length of playing devil's advocate and asking them what's the difference between a manip done on a screencap or promotional photograph and an artwork. that's when they said all the stuff about effort, about pouring their heart out onto the medium and all that.

i know you guys didnt mean anything bad about the manip, and they know that. its just that in speaking their mind, they do feel ripped off when someone goes about manipping away without even posting a note saying "if the artist dont mind" disclaimer. reading the posts immediately after Carlo's work it did look like all the members here cared about was to find the nicest Superman photograph and sticking someone elses face on it without even considering the source material. they're not killjoys (oh hell far from it), but they are aspiring artists struggling to get their talent recognized, and once upon a time, Carlo was just like them. so i do give them credit as being in a unique situation as Carlo once was, and thus a sentiment that Carlo might feel if he saw what folks has done with his work.

[KAZUYA]

I agree a note saying this is a so and so piece of art maniped by would be nice, I know a lot of peeps post manips using comic art without thanking the original artist myself included. Its just a matter of respect,, Anyone got a manip request im bored.

BTW: PUCK great Clark Kent manip luv it!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/ROUTHCLARK2.jpg :hyper:

[triplet]

I disagree with your disagrement. I asked my law prophesor, and he said it's fine as long as it's not being used to make profits, like being used for a paid advertisement or an actual movie poster.
MMMmmmm.... OK, good enough.

[Dr Doom]

Great Manips Everyone, But Honestly.

To Me Superman Has Got To Be The Stupidest Superhero Ever.

I Mean, Is It Really That Hard To Tell The Diff. Between Clark And Supes Just Because He Has No Glasses On. In Comics Like Spider-man, People Think That Peter Is Spidey Cause He Sounds Kinda Like Him. And Some People Actually Know He Is. But In Superman Nobody Can Put Two And Two Together. And I Know They Are Just Comics, But I Like My Comics To At Least Have A Little Bit Of Reality In Them.

[Zorex]

This is the manip thread, not a place to tell us how stupid you think the character is. So please, just do yourself a favor and the hell up.

[Dr Doom]

O.k., I Will, As You Put It, "the Hell Up"

[KAZUYA]

Great Manips Everyone, But Honestly.

To Me Superman Has Got To Be The Stupidest Superhero Ever.

I Mean, Is It Really That Hard To Tell The Diff. Between Clark And Supes Just Because He Has No Glasses On. In Comics Like Spider-man, People Think That Peter Is Spidey Cause He Sounds Kinda Like Him. And Some People Actually Know He Is. But In Superman Nobody Can Put Two And Two Together. And I Know They Are Just Comics, But I Like My Comics To At Least Have A Little Bit Of Reality In Them.
Its not just the glasses its the tone of the voice the stutter the posture Chris Reeve was like to diff peeps to me. Clark was so nerdy and Superman so macho.

[darthbakpao]

what worst are peoples that weren't be able to come up with their own original manips, and instead using other's with awful results (poor photoshop techniques) and get some credits for their "works"

[Ruthmarks]

I totally disagree with every word that you wrote here.

Copyright is implicit upon creation of a work. I'm not an entertainment lawyer or anything, but I did take a class on entertainment law at school.

I believe that, at least technically, manipping is illegal since you are modifying copyright protected images without permission. Although I don't think anyone will actually prosecute, however.

Given the artist in question may not want his work being altered, I would think that people might respect his wishes as much as they respect his work.

Technically, the artist made a painting of a character who is copyrighted by DC Comics/Time Warner.

In truth, I'm not terribly sure the artist would be too thrilled about his work being manipped (my guess is that he wouldn't). But I don't think he's got much of a legal leg to stand on since neither the original work nor the manip itself are being used for any sort of financial profit.

Besides, arguing about a manip of a "copyrighted" painting which is a reproduction of a trademarked character -- which the artist may or may not have received permission to use, and an actor whose likeness he may or may not have received permission to use -- is silly. I understand that some Wellingites are upset, but until the artist makes a personal plea not to use that image for a manip on a fanboy website, give it a rest.

[CAPoholic]

Her is an updated version of the poster I did

http://img6.exs.cx/img6/8708/Supermanposterblack2.jpg

[Thunder Emperor]

I agree a note saying this is a so and so piece of art maniped by would be nice, I know a lot of peeps post manips using comic art without thanking the original artist myself included. Its just a matter of respect,, Anyone got a manip request im bored.

BTW: PUCK great Clark Kent manip luv it!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/ROUTHCLARK2.jpg :hyper:


is that blood stain on routh shirt. is he a cannibal. let the rumors begins ;)

[Thunder Emperor]

Her is an updated version of the poster I did

http://img6.exs.cx/img6/8708/Supermanposterblack2.jpg


lol sorry to say he looks evil as hell. or did he drink red kryptonite juice that day.


but nice manip by the way ;)

[P. Cushing]

Anyone got a manip request im bored.

Could you please manip Keith Urban as Superman?

[KAZUYA]

Could you please manip Keith Urban as Superman?
Did you mean Karl Urban?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/Urban.jpg

<---Still board any more requests? :hyper:

[Puckenstein]

is that blood stain on routh shirt. is he a cannibal. let the rumors begins ;)


I'm just gonna stop reading anything and everything you post.

[Bad Superman]

:rolleyes: Geez. . . now people are opposed to one of the biggest threads of the forum? From the comments I've read it seems this thread should be closed. . . . I understand about the "respect" for the artists and all that stuff, but for Heaven's sake, maniping has been done by millions of people through the internet. I also believe that if there's no profit being made from maniping, I don't see the harm. If Michelangelo's or Da Vinci's descendants are alive they would be ultra-billionares. . . . Let the fun continue.

[KAZUYA]

I'm just gonna stop reading anything and everything you post.I agree with ya Puck, This forum needs an ignore feature.

[gdw]

I totally disagree with every word that you wrote here.

Copyright is implicit upon creation of a work. I'm not an entertainment lawyer or anything, but I did take a class on entertainment law at school.

I believe that, at least technically, manipping is illegal since you are modifying copyright protected images without permission. Although I don't think anyone will actually prosecute, however.

Given the artist in question may not want his work being altered, I would think that people might respect his wishes as much as they respect his work.

Yes it is implicit when created. (As such, actual 'copyrights' are essentially a waste of time and money. I have delt with this through the publication of my own work in comics aswell as the creation and distribution of magic effects that I have created.) But the issue of copyright infringment only comes into pla when said alterations are used for prfit or claimed as origional by the second party.

[gdw]

dude, its all about being respectful, about asking permission even if the work was given away freely. not a single penny need to be involved to show respect. obviously no artist would post their work on the net freely if their purpose is to make a buck, they're all about sharing their talents. this is just direct feedback from aspiring artists who are mutually superhero fans. i was browsing the boards and they were with me talking. they were admiring the work Carlo Pagulayan has done and how far he has come, conversation turned to the work he posted on the K-Site and i showed the version posted in this thread. then we spotted Wilde's work. i even commented that it looked like a really seamless manip, but looking at their faces suffice it to say the job wasnt exactly appreciated. that's when they asked if Carlo was ok with all this. we read the posts before and after the manip and obviously the idea wasnt even brought up. a mini debate ensued with me going to the length of playing devil's advocate and asking them what's the difference between a manip done on a screencap or promotional photograph and an artwork. that's when they said all the stuff about effort, about pouring their heart out onto the medium and all that.

i know you guys didnt mean anything bad about the manip, and they know that. its just that in speaking their mind, they do feel ripped off when someone goes about manipping away without even posting a note saying "if the artist dont mind" disclaimer. reading the posts immediately after Carlo's work it did look like all the members here cared about was to find the nicest Superman photograph and sticking someone elses face on it without even considering the source material. they're not killjoys (oh hell far from it), but they are aspiring artists struggling to get their talent recognized, and once upon a time, Carlo was just like them. so i do give them credit as being in a unique situation as Carlo once was, and thus a sentiment that Carlo might feel if he saw what folks has done with his work.

Yes I agree with the respect and aknowledgement of the artist. This strkes true with me as I am an artist. But to seak permission as I had said would encompus obtaining the permission of any photographers who's photos you use aswell as the individuals represented in the photos, on top of the artist permission.

So for one manip using one piece of art of Superman, and one photo of Routh, you would be inclined to get the permission of the artist, of DC for likeness/character use, the photographer, and Brandon Routh,again for likeness.

That's just one manip, buy one person. Now if someone wishes to alter that manip, well you can see the complications that develope.
Also just imagine the number of requests that Routh, WB, DC, and the artist would recieve based on the number of manips on this site alone. You might think it becomes alot to keep asking all those people, but it would be even more for the people who are being asked would have to deal with based on shear numbers alone.

And lets not even think about the effort and inapropriatness that would be encompassed when haveing all the individuals who wish to use the recently departed Mr. Reeve's likness asking his widow for permission. I'm sure she doesn't mind, but dealing with all the requests would betoo much for anyone, let alone someone in her position.

But that is an argument of practicality. If we are to focus on respect then all that is needed is the curtousy of aknowledgment to your source material. This is done when one alters someone elses manip, but is far more appropriate to be done fwith focus on the aknowledgeing of the origional artists.


On a side note, when and if I see this type of thing done with my own work, I personally take it as a compliment and it makes me feel proud of my work. I am also very aware of two things when observing a manip. One, there is no claiming of originality, they are not stealing my work, and definately not claiming it as their own, and if they re, well then we get into issues, legal and otherwise. Two, the manip is not the posting of my art work. It is not like they are taking my work putting anothers head on it and essentialliy mocking my work, or posting the manip as if it is my work and what I intended of my work. So it is not neccisarily ment as an improvment either.

[Captain Villa]

This strkes true with me as I am an artist.

Thank god you are not an English teacher.

[gdw]

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I am aware that my spelling, and most likely grammar, is not the greatest. However when I ma writing somethig with any determination or passion that is my focus, not looking up how to spell 'determination.' Also artist's are least of all known for their english. Even writers. Joseph Conrad wouldn't even let college students see the writing in his first drafts as it was atrocious (sp).

But yes my focus is, fortunatly, not on teaching or correcting english. Also I hope that was not ment as your rebutle, as I have no idea if you agree, or even care, or are mearly being observent.

Glenn

[KAZUYA]

Thank god you are not an English teacher.Calm down brainiac ;)

http://www.terra.es/personal/mbayona/brainiac.jpg

[gdw]

Great Manips Everyone, But Honestly.

To Me Superman Has Got To Be The Stupidest Superhero Ever.

I Mean, Is It Really That Hard To Tell The Diff. Between Clark And Supes Just Because He Has No Glasses On. In Comics Like Spider-man, People Think That Peter Is Spidey Cause He Sounds Kinda Like Him. And Some People Actually Know He Is. But In Superman Nobody Can Put Two And Two Together. And I Know They Are Just Comics, But I Like My Comics To At Least Have A Little Bit Of Reality In Them.

There are whole threads with the discussion and analysis of this.
Infact it was by reading and discussing there, combined with the portrayal that Reeves provided that convinced me otherwise. Just realize that there are some actors who never look to be that same person in different role. And yes I am talking about without the assisstance of make-up.

[Thunder Emperor]

I'm just gonna stop reading anything and everything you post.


jesus that was a joke, you all are so sensitive. even you should know that.

[KAZUYA]

jesus that was a joke, you all are so sensitive. even you should know that.No its just your so rude to everyone you can get your point across without being so rude all the time ya know!

http://moustache-database.freeservers.com/sporting/rude.jpg

[gdw]

jesus that was a joke, you all are so sensitive. even you should know that.

Yes, but it seems that every thing you post, or atleast a LARG quantity of it, is either a joke, irrelevant, or complaining. And yes I am aware that you are just voicing your oppinion of Routh, but to do it incesently, and to have it be apparent as an undelying tone and implied in most of everything you post is complaining and excessive is all.

Some people are just sick of all the complaints that people do post about Welling and or Routh. I also am very aware that not all suporters of both actors are always doing this, but the ones that do, rudely or calmly, but insecently, ruin the threads for everyone as it is way beyond reasonable now.

[Thunder Emperor]

No its just your so rude to everyone you can get your point across without being so rude all the time ya know!

http://moustache-database.freeservers.com/sporting/rude.jpg


dude don't get me started this morning, how can i be rude when i am commenting on a funny thing i notice on the collar of a manip shirt, or the fact that routh looks liek and evil superman in another manip. its all fun and games until people start taking **** too seriously. it was a joke, nothing rude about it. ;)

[Puckenstein]

:rolleyes: Geez. . . now people are opposed to one of the biggest threads of the forum? From the comments I've read it seems this thread should be closed. . . . I understand about the "respect" for the artists and all that stuff, but for Heaven's sake, maniping has been done by millions of people through the internet. I also believe that if there's no profit being made from maniping, I don't see the harm. If Michelangelo's or Da Vinci's descendants are alive they would be ultra-billionares. . . . Let the fun continue.

Couldn't agree more.

Legal questions shouldn't be even brought into the equation. Manipping is a hobby, a craft, a form of comedy and entertainment... I've been manipping for my own personal amusement for a while now, and then I brought my skill (if you will) to the Hype. We're not getting paid to do this. We do it to get a general peek into "what might be" if said situation ever came to fruit. Artists that get paid to do their work (such as the Welling painting- made by a kid who does work for Marvel, Dark Horse, etc) shouldnt be *****ing. They should take it as a compliment that their work was the best possible work that we as manippers could find to bring another perspective to life.

[Puckenstein]

dude don't get me started this morning, how can i be rude when i am commenting on a funny thing i notice on the collar of a manip shirt, or the fact that routh looks liek and evil superman in another manip. its all fun and games until people start taking **** too seriously. it was a joke, nothing rude about it. ;)


I'm not sensitive and I don't take things too seriously. But, like gdw said, nearly everything you post is unnecessary. Even your signature is ridiculous (and way too big, I might add.) Yes, there is a slight reddish tinge on the collar of the shirt. Did I notice it when I made it? Yes, I did. But I didn't think anyone would be ridiculous enough to make a bad joke about it or complain about it. And you can claim i'm too sensitive, or what not, but you still need to
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/STFU.jpg

[Thunder Emperor]

Yes, but it seems that every thing you post, or atleast a LARG quantity of it, is either a joke, irrelevant, or complaining. And yes I am aware that you are just voicing your oppinion of Routh, but to do it incesently, and to have it be apparent as an undelying tone and implied in most of everything you post is complaining and excessive is all.

Some people are just sick of all the complaints that people do post about Welling and or Routh. I also am very aware that not all suporters of both actors are always doing this, but the ones that do, rudely or calmly, but insecently, ruin the threads for everyone as it is way beyond reasonable now.


ok thank you for being reasonable.

first of all no one should take offence to the jokes casue i didn't bring up any studip issue that we consider taboo here.

with regards to my recent post about his sexual. all i was try to convey was the sentiments of people i know of that would automatically see this movie in a diffrent light if as i sadi before news headlines said soomething taboo about superman. from where i am from i can bet on my life parents won't want their kids to see the movie. Not everybody on this plaent is a progressive think or thinks outside the box.

so what do i get, people bash me, say i am puttign up antigay qutotes. i have said it time and time agian i don't give a crap. the thing i give a crap is i don't liek the casting of routh. that doesn't mean i won't watch the movie. its a free world we don't have to agree that he look sthe part or singer made the right choice at this time. all we have agree is on 2 things when the movie comes out,

1) singer made a great or not movie

2) Routh perfomed well or not.

that is as simple as it is, like i said in another thread. i may never like roth and may never full accept hi m as superman. but if he deliever a spectacular performance. i will give him is due respect for that. ;)

if anyone wants to take the jokes i have said seirously the can go ahead. i won't stress myself with it.

[Thunder Emperor]

I'm not sensitive and I don't take things too seriously. But, like gdw said, nearly everything you post is unnecessary. Even your signature is ridiculous (and way too big, I might add.) Yes, there is a slight reddish tinge on the collar of the shirt. Did I notice it when I made it? Yes, I did. But I didn't think anyone would be ridiculous enough to make a bad joke about it or complain about it. And you can claim i'm too sensitive, or what not, but you still need to
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/STFU.jpg


ye sits a bad joke, but come on it is a joke and that is what it is meant to be. the compalin and say its a bad joke. a

now as for my signature, it still says. i don't have to change it for anyone or anything. just becasue routh was cast, doesn't mean i have to follow everyone else. ;)

[KAZUYA]

dude don't get me started this morning, how can i be rude when i am commenting on a funny thing i notice on the collar of a manip shirt, or the fact that routh looks liek and evil superman in another manip. its all fun and games until people start taking **** too seriously. it was a joke, nothing rude about it. ;)Ok but thats not what it sounded like to me and I have seen a few of your posts here and in other threads and they are not funny at all but have a underlining point that is most of the time just not needed. You could have asked Puck what the color on the collar was,, That joke was just rude becouse of the underlining meaning... So please just try and be nice in the future you dont have to agree just dont be RUDE about it.

[Thunder Emperor]

Ok but thats not what it sounded like to me and I have seen a few of your posts here and in other threads and they are not funny at all but have a underlining point that is most of the time just not needed. You could have asked Puck what the color on the collar was,, That joke was just rude becouse of the underlining meaning... So please just try and be nice in the future you dont have to agree just dont be RUDE about it.


ok no wi get his anger, i had no clue he was the one who made the manip. but guys why all the pcness. yes i know he didn't itend to put the color there, yes it was an error. do we all have to get touch about the whole thing. you guys can thing of whatever you want. if you don't as someone why the do something and then just turn around and bash them. it does go to solve the problem.
;)

[KAZUYA]

ok no wi get his anger, i had no clue he was the one who made the manip. but guys why all the pcness. yes i know he didn't itend to put the color there, yes it was an error. do we all have to get touch about the whole thing. you guys can thing of whatever you want. if you don't as someone why the do something and then just turn around and bash them. it does go to solve the problem.
;)I thought it was a lighting effect myself. Im not bashing you Thunder just trying to tell you if you want to have a nice conversation with peeps going about it the way you do,, Well you will be defending yourself a lot.

[gdw]

You make some decent points, but still the issue remains that you mostly post jokes and always find a way to bring up 'your oppinion' of Routh, relevant or not.

And that is just it. You don't seem to make any relevant contributions to the discussions unless they are focused on defending your actions.

I admit that some are harsh in their condeming of you and others, but you are very aware of the reactions your actions tend to warrent. If you wish to continue with them you already the concequences that follow. Simply when you do one thing you already know that others will do another in response. As you are already aware of what will come, there is no reason for you to constantly argue about it. If you make the choice to limit your posts to jokes and irrelevent comments and discussions then so be it, that is your choice. But you make that choice fully aware of the way in which others have and will continue to chose to react to it.

As for your sig you are half right. If requested by a mod then you will have to change it for someone.

Just try not to find a way to bring up that you don't like Routh being cast in every post of yours that is not some off topic joke. We are all very aware of that fact already. You don't need to keep saying it, and almost in the same words too, every time. Your sig is also more then enough to remind us of your oppinions. Not that we need remining of them. As I said we are fully aware of how you feel about the casting.

[Thunder Emperor]

You make some decent points, but still the issue remains that you mostly post jokes and always find a way to bring up 'your oppinion' of Routh, relevant or not.

And that is just it. You don't seem to make any relevant contributions to the discussions unless they are focused on defending your actions.

I admit that some are harsh in their condeming of you and others, but you are very aware of the reactions your actions tend to warrent. If you wish to continue with them you already the concequences that follow. Simply when you do one thing you already know that others will do another in response. As you are already aware of what will come, there is no reason for you to constantly argue about it. If you make the choice to limit your posts to jokes and irrelevent comments and discussions then so be it, that is your choice. But you make that choice fully aware of the way in which others have and will continue to chose to react to it.

As for your sig you are half right. If requested by a mod then you will have to change it for someone.

Just try not to find a way to bring up that you don't like Routh being cast in every post of yours that is not some off topic joke. We are all very aware of that fact already. You don't need to keep saying it, and almost in the same words too, every time. Your sig is also more then enough to remind us of your oppinions. Not that we need remining of them. As I said we are fully aware of how you feel about the casting.

again thank you for been reasonable and i rest my case.

[gdw]

Oh and just to clarify I didn't find anything wrong with the joke. It mad me snicker at best, but not out of line. It was, to me at least, that it was just yet another joke instead of a purposeful post is all.

[gdw]

again thank you for been reasonable and i rest my case.

Just curious, but by rest your case you mean?

[KAZUYA]

This was not finished but I want to get back on topic so I quickly tried to finish it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/Suitd.jpg

[Thunder Emperor]

This was not finished but I want to get back on topic so I quickly tried to finish it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/Suitd.jpg
cool, whose body did you use for that. ;)

[Thunder Emperor]

Just curious, but by rest your case you mean?

meaning i am not defending myself anymore, just tired of explaiining

[KAZUYA]

cool, whose body did you use for that. ;)A toy mixed with a lame batman type foam rubber suit.

[superfever]

a great toy i suppose. :)

[IT is Batgirl]

Can I put Chris Reeve stuff here?

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/7761/reeve.jpg

The guy's website: www.arteuruguay.com.uy/notas/zigno.htm

I asked him if he could do some drawings of Routh. ;)

[gdw]

meaning i am not defending myself anymore, just tired of explaiining


Ah IC. That's probably a good thing. For you that is. Best not to wast your time arguing.

[gdw]

That reeve drawing is awsome. Some of the other ones on the site weren't as good though, but I thought that one was a B&W photo.

[Zorex]

That reeve drawing is awsome. Some of the other ones on the site weren't as good though, but I thought that one was a B&W photo.

Yeah, first thing I thought was, "What drawing?"

[IT is Batgirl]

The drawing is darn good. I really hope the guy can do some of Routh.

[IT is Batgirl]

Hey Kazuya, I found the Supes manip from my avatar. Still up to putting a curl on him? ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/tunnel_lookingupff.jpg

[BH/HHH]

That manip is cool as F**k!

[gdw]

Yeah, and, I mean, like how cool is F**K.

[gdw]

By the way did anyone else notice that Routh is one of the few people who actually look natural and decent when you manip Reeves Superman hair onto them?

On most it just looks bad.

[KAZUYA]

Hey Kazuya, I found the Supes manip from my avatar. Still up to putting a curl on him? ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/tunnel_lookingupff.jpgShure I did my own version though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperR.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Avatars/SuperAv.gif

Big Thx goes out 2 Puck for the base Clark Manip. Saved me the trouble of adding glasses :cool:

[IT is Batgirl]

Shure I did my own version though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperR.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Avatars/SuperAv.gif

Big Thx goes out 2 Puck for the base Clark Manip. Saved me the trouble of adding glasses :cool:

Wow, that's scary cool. =]

[P. Cushing]

Did you mean Karl Urban?

No, I meant KEITH URBAN (The Musician), but nice manip anyway.

[KAZUYA]

Wow, that's scary cool. =]Thx Doll your the Muse on this one :)

[KAZUYA]

No, I meant KEITH URBAN (The Musician), but nice manip anyway.Got a pic or a link to a good one?

[P. Cushing]

So, KAZUYA. Could you please manip KEITH Urban as Superman?

[IT is Batgirl]

Got a pic or a link to a good one?

http://www.spun.com/amgcover/music/large/f4/95/f49574o8oly.jpg

Long hair though.

[KAZUYA]

http://www.spun.com/amgcover/music/large/f4/95/f49574o8oly.jpg

Long hair though.I said a good one :joker: LOL

[IT is Batgirl]

I said a good one :joker: LOL

Not many.

[KAZUYA]

So, KAZUYA. Could you please manip KEITH Urban as Superman?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/Keith.jpg
:)

[P. Cushing]

Thanx, Kaz! That's awesome!

[KAZUYA]

Thanx, Kaz! That's awesome!I just did it fast had a tiny low quality pic, So thx.

[KrypJonian]

Oh no, not this Urban guy again....:rolleyes:

[IT is Batgirl]

Someone emailed me this for the site.

http://img3.exs.cx/img3/1660/gregbartlett1.jpg

[KAZUYA]

Someone emailed me this for the site.

http://img3.exs.cx/img3/1660/gregbartlett1.jpgLike the layout but his heads to big and nothing was done to change the kain suit. Other than that looks good. I wish I could pull off effects like that but I only have paint:(

[KAZUYA]

Oh no, not this Urban guy again....:rolleyes:Hahahah I did not want to be rude. ;)

[IT is Batgirl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/rock_portrait.jpg

[BK]

:eek:

FANTASTIC!






God damn Routh's hair...:o

[SuperDaniel]

Why in all the manips you guys let him have this thin face?? He won't be so thin in the movie.

[IT is Batgirl]

Why in all the manips you guys let him have this thin face?? He won't be so thin in the movie.

You can make it fuller if you want.

[SuperDaniel]

And he has to have blue eyes. He doesn't look like Superman without them.

[ETHERSPIN]

yes.. blue eyes, and i have no doubt his hair will be right when he is ready for the film

[IT is Batgirl]

There are ways to deal with Routh's eyes nowadays. ;)

[Zorex]

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/121/BJRNewManip1.jpg

Whatever happened to Kal-L?

[IT is Batgirl]

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/121/BJRNewManip1.jpg

Whatever happened to Kal-L?

Wow, that's cool, although his head seems a bit large.

[Zorex]

hm, yes, I was trying to play around with its size to get it right, but it seemed that everything else was either too large or too small. o well.

but my question stands...did Kal just disappear?

[IT is Batgirl]

hm, yes, I was trying to play around with its size to get it right, but it seemed that everything else was either too large or too small. o well.

but my question stands...did Kal just disappear?

Maybe he's disappointed that Caviezel didn't get it.

[Zorex]

aaah, yes, "My choice didn't get the role, I might as well leave." hmph...

[ETHERSPIN]

By the way did anyone else notice that Routh is one of the few people who actually look natural and decent when you manip Reeves Superman hair onto them?

On most it just looks bad.
yes.... leading me 2 see the wisdom in the casting decision .. just as long as he can act and has even a 3rd of reeve's charm..

[lujho]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Routh4.jpghttp://www.brandonrouth.com/images/photos/imdb.gif

Take a look at this image. I flipped it back to the way it was originally. You can compare. All i did is put some weight in the face. Once he bulks up, his face will look wider. Also, the color of the eyes changes his face completely.



You still definitely changed his jawline, something that won't change with bulking up. It took me a little while to put my finger on it but eventually I found it - in the original pic, the line that makes up the back of his jaw is vertical, in your manip, it slants outwards, definitely giving his jaw more width. He certainly looks more like Superman in your manip, but he won't look like that from bulking up.

That said, you COULD achieve this effect with prosthetics, I'm certain. A very artfully sculpted enhancement to the back of the jaw by talented make-up artists could be done. I'm talking Rick Baker quality. I think going that extra mile to make him look *just right* as Supes would be worth it, but they'll surely not bother, nor would the idea have even occurred to them. Blue eyes (Which they'd better give him) and a thicker neck will have to do, and he'll look pretty good if that's all they do, but the enhanced jaw would be the icing on the cake.

Jude Law had a fake jaw in AI. Obviously it's meant to look fake and plastic like the whole character, but you could do it realistically with pores, realistic paintjob etc. Like I said, Rick Baker quality.

http://sfstory.free.fr/images/AI/02.jpghttp://sfstory.free.fr/images/AI/13.jpg

[Puckenstein]

Whatever happened to Kal-L?

Kal departed these boards about a week or so after the announcement of Routh. NOT becuase he wasn't happy with the casting decision and NOT because Cavielzel didn't get it. Kal was fed up with the way things had been going around here with certain individuals (who shall remain nameless) and with the fact that some of his complaints fell upon deaf ears.

He told me he will still keep in contact with me and pop in and out every so often, but he just has a lot going on in his real life and doesn't really have much time to devote here, especially when he's not getting much satisfaction from it.

I do miss him.
It was always easy to find his posts
and he always spoke his mind
no matter who he pissed off.

Here's to you, Kal...
wherever you are.

[KAZUYA]

Hey Yall this one took me all morning I was going to enter the fan contest but I noticed no manips:( Anywho enjoy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/R.jpg

R.I.P Chris...

[Zorex]

That is really really nice Kaz, :up:

[ETHERSPIN]

now that.. I like..
thats a cool suit 2 be used under special circumstances in the new movie, if one of the suits is destroyed or he chooses to wear proper El garb for a fight with an interplanetary baddie!!

[ETHERSPIN]

its a pity Chris isnt around to play Jor El

[KAZUYA]

That is really really nice Kaz, :up:Thx bro took me awhile :)

[KAZUYA]

now that.. I like..
thats a cool suit 2 be used under special circumstances in the new movie, if one of the suits is destroyed or he chooses to wear proper El garb for a fight with an interplanetary baddie!!Its the Superman beyond suit thought it was fitting.

http://www.patfullerton.com/superman/pix/superman/supermanbeyond.jpg

[Super_Child]

its pretty good Kazuya

[BH/HHH]

Its the Superman beyond suit thought it was fitting.

http://www.patfullerton.com/superman/pix/superman/supermanbeyond.jpg

I loved those episodes of Batman Beyond "The Call" they were the best of the entire series and it was greatly explained about the whole Superman is a badguy plot. Absolutley cool.

P.S. That Reeve manip is great.

[KAZUYA]

its pretty good KazuyaThx SuperChild!

http://www.islandscene.com/ohana/1999/990421/potty/images/potty.gif

[KAZUYA]

I loved those episodes of Batman Beyond "The Call" they were the best of the entire series and it was greatly explained about the whole Superman is a badguy plot. Absolutley cool.

P.S. That Reeve manip is great.Ya they were great episodes,, they were going to make the justice league beyond but it got scraped for JLA:(

Ps:Thank ya! :)

[BH/HHH]

Ya they were great episodes,, they were going to make the justice league beyond but it got scraped for JLA:(

Ps:Thank ya! :)

Were they? I didn't know that. That would have ben cool JL Beyond. Its a shame it didn't happen but it could happen in the future.

[KAZUYA]

Were they? I didn't know that. That would have ben cool JL Beyond. Its a shame it didn't happen but it could happen in the future.
I wish it would im not liking this season of Jla that much only a few good episodes:( Jla Beyond could be so wicked, So many possibilities. Orion as the main bad guy looking like he did in Kindom Come, So many cool villians could pop up and lots of else worlds storys would happen.


4 Those that have not seen the eps! (http://www.michaelsfavorites.com/jlu2.html)

[TheSuperBatFan]

thats a good manip, but if he wears Kryptonian clothes at any point in the movie I'd prefer something more along the lines of the clothes Jor-El wore in the pilot for STAS

http://www.batman-superman.com/superman/img/jorel.gif

[Ruthmarks]

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/121/BJRNewManip1.jpg

Nice manip.

The belt reminds me a little bit of the Fleischer cartoons costume for Superman, which is not a bad thing in my book. :)

[TheSuperBatFan]

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/121/BJRNewManip1.jpg

Whatever happened to Kal-L?

great manip, and I guess I could live with the KC belt, it does look cool, but I still would prefer the classic belt

[The Watchman]

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/121/BJRNewManip1.jpg

Whatever happened to Kal-L?
GREAT f***king manip man, and Kal-L is Sing, and hes been really busy with his PHD lately.

[IT is Batgirl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/spideradenjo.jpg

[KAZUYA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/spideradenjo.jpgNice manip but they should have fixed the line on the neck.

I see the neck is fixed, Looks good :up:

[Zorex]

amazing, I JUST finished one with the same base pic :)

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4919/BJRPoseManip.jpg

[IT is Batgirl]

amazing, I JUST finished one with the same base pic :)

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4919/BJRPoseManip.jpg

Niiice. I can't wait for the movie.

[Puckenstein]

GREAT f***king manip man, and Kal-L is Sing, and hes been really busy with his PHD lately.


Actually, the "Kal-L and Sing are the same person" rumor is not true. Sing and Kal existed as separate posters before Kal left, and they continue to be separate posters today...its just that Kal's not posting anymore. It was a joke started in another thread. Believe me, Kal doesn't post here anymore, but he still lurks to see what we're talking about. :D

[KAZUYA]

amazing, I JUST finished one with the same base pic :)

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4919/BJRPoseManip.jpgLooks great I wish I could use photo shop looks like they got some nice things you can do to enhance pictures. Anyone wanna teach me,,LOL :joker:

[KAZUYA]

Actually, the "Kal-L and Sing are the same person" rumor is not true. Sing and Kal existed as separate posters before Kal left, and they continue to be separate posters today...its just that Kal's not posting anymore. It was a joke started in another thread. Believe me, Kal doesn't post here anymore, but he still lurks to see what we're talking about. :DHey Puck are you Kal's agent ;)

[The Watchman]

Actually, the "Kal-L and Sing are the same person" rumor is not true. Sing and Kal existed as separate posters before Kal left, and they continue to be separate posters today...its just that Kal's not posting anymore. It was a joke started in another thread. Believe me, Kal doesn't post here anymore, but he still lurks to see what we're talking about. :D
I know they're different, but it was a running joke that the regs would appreciate...

[Puckenstein]

Hey Puck are you Kal's agent ;)

Actually, Kal and I keep in contact. Pretty much whatever I say he would say and whatever he says I would say. Its odd how "on the same page" he and I are.

I'm not his agent, but I can definitely speak on his behalf.

[KAZUYA]

I have got the manip bug now,, I have a few more on the way.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon.jpg

[KAZUYA]

Actually, Kal and I keep in contact. Pretty much whatever I say he would say and whatever he says I would say. Its odd how "on the same page" he and I are.

I'm not his agent, but I can definitely speak on his behalf.I could tell you were buds the way you talk about him. I dont really remember him that well,, I was away along time:( But wish him the best from Kazuya.

[JackBauer]

I have got the manip bug now,, I have a few more on the way.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon.jpg

keep 'em coming! :up:

[KAZUYA]

keep 'em coming! :up:

<---Out of work right now so there will be more :joker:

[Superman]

I have got the manip bug now,, I have a few more on the way.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon.jpgThat's very cool but the head looks a little small for that body.

Still cool though. :D

[KAZUYA]

That's very cool but the head looks a little small for that body.

Still cool though. :DBetter or does it look 2 big now? lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon3.jpg

[Puckenstein]

Better or does it look 2 big now? lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon3.jpg

Perfect.

[IT is Batgirl]

Better or does it look 2 big now? lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon3.jpg

Great!

[Superman]

Better or does it look 2 big now? lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon3.jpgA little better. ;) :D

[KAZUYA]

A little better. ;) :DHappy :joker:

[KAZUYA]

Perfect.Thx Puck means a lot couse I like all your manips :)

PS:Thx also Batgirl :)

[IT is Batgirl]

Happy :joker:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandonJoke.jpg

Bwahaha.

[Superman]

Happy :joker:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandonJoke.jpgThere you go!!! Perfect!!! Don't change a thing!!! :up:


;) :p :D

[JackBauer]

Happy :joker:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandonJoke.jpg

that's a little too better... :p

[KAZUYA]

There you go!!! Perfect!!! Don't change a thing!!! :up:


;) :p :D :p ;)

[Evelisse]

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/9759/SuperBrandonJoke.jpg


Uhm I don't know are you all blind, look how disproportionate his belt buckle is!
:D

[KAZUYA]

Uhm I don't know are you all blind, look how disproportionate his belt buckle is!
:DLol :joker:

[Son of Jor-El]

instead of doing just photo manips, is there anybody who can draw really well? maybe imitate someone's style and uncorporate routh's appearance onto them?an ed mcguiness routh, a jim lee routh, a dan jurgens routh, a curt swan routh. we already have the perfect alex ross routh but can anyone do any of these? personally i wanna see some of those, too

[IT is Batgirl]

instead of doing just photo manips, is there anybody who can draw really well? maybe imitate someone's style and uncorporate routh's appearance onto them?an ed mcguiness routh, a jim lee routh, a dan jurgens routh, a curt swan routh. we already have the perfect alex ross routh but can anyone do any of these? personally i wanna see some of those, too

Someone online has volunteered.

Here is his Chris Reeve drawing.

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/7761/reeve.jpg

Here is his site with some old pictures. He showed me two drawings he did of Adriana Lima.

http://www.arteuruguay.com.uy/notas/zigno.htm

[Lone]

We have GOT to get that guy to draw a Routh Superman.

[IT is Batgirl]

We have GOT to get that guy to draw a Routh Superman.

He said it will take 20 hours to do. He said it should be done in about a week. We shall see how it turns out. ;)

[Zorex]

Batgirl, I <3 you. Have I told you this recently? :)

[Lone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon3.jpg

Blue eyes or not, that is one kickass manip!! :up::up::up:

If you think he looks good now, think of how awesome he'll look when filming begins. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[IT is Batgirl]

Batgirl, I <3 you. Have I told you this recently? :)

Teehee.

[Lone]

He said it will take 20 hours to do. He said it should be done in about a week. We shall see how it turns out. ;)

You are a goddess. :)

[Frantik]

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/9759/SuperBrandonJoke.jpg


Uhm I don't know are you all blind, look how disproportionate his belt buckle is!
:D
I am glad I back logged a bit. Cuz this was great. Bwahahaha
And how could anybody think Kal-l was Sing, beyond the blue type.

BTW, nice manips. I haven't been here much. Good to see you guys still maniping away.

[Carmine Falcone]

Better or does it look 2 big now? lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperBrandon3.jpg

amazing, I JUST finished one with the same base pic :)

http://img118.exs.cx/img118/4919/BJRPoseManip.jpg

Very very nice manips is what I see. Great work guys, keep it up!

[Rage]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/ReeveTribute.jpg

Not really a photomanipulation, but a peice I just finished for the Christopher Reeve Fan Art Contest...kinda weird...drawing Chris Reeve instead of pasting someone else's face over his :rolleyes: Had fun doing it...but took a long time.

Rage

[Frantik]

Rage, this is your own drawing? It is magnificent. Awsome. Dude you are good:up:

[Steelsheen]

instead of doing just photo manips, is there anybody who can draw really well? maybe imitate someone's style and uncorporate routh's appearance onto them?an ed mcguiness routh, a jim lee routh, a dan jurgens routh, a curt swan routh. we already have the perfect alex ross routh...
he drew one? where?

[gdw]

Rage is that a Drawing of Reeve? Wow. And I've sepcialised in portraits for some time. That is an amazing work and resemblance.

[Rage]

There is something off with the eyes that I just can't put my finger on...that and the hair texture is just not right. Everything could be sharper too...but I'm not that great a painter and working with a mouse in photoshop only makes things harder :rolleyes: ...BUT DAMN IT...this had to be good for Chris!!!

Thanks for the kind words. Nice to hear it looks like a photo, maybe I am just overly critical of it because I can see all the errors right away.

Rage

[gdw]

I like the soft look of the hair. It just seems to help with the look. Hair was always the thing I struggled with the most. As for the eyes I would try playing with the position they may need to be just a tad bigger so as to help lessen the gap between them without bringing they eyes themselves closer together and making him cross eyed. But that's just if you really can't leave good alone so to speak. But then again I know where your coming from.

So what was the medium for that? You mentioned paint. I assumed it was graphite.

[Rage]

Photoshop actually. I did a sketch of him in pencil. Scanned it in. Then started to paint thick on it like I would with oils. Once I had a decent underpainting, I used the filter paintdobs to give it a slight "texture"...then did all the final touches with the damned airbrush tool...and that took the most time.

Rage

[gdw]

Ah, so all the tonal work was on Photoshop? Either way the resemblance is uncanny and even for doing the touchups in shop it is amazing. That kind of work In PS is hard and agonizing. Great job.

[Puckenstein]

Just cuz...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/puck420/superunner.jpg

A marathoner dressed as Superman runs in the annual Marine Corps Marathon in Arlington, Virginia on Halloween, October 31, 2004.

EDIT: I shoulda let him borrow my red sneaks...or as my gf calls them, my Rockin' Red Racers.

EDIT #2: Now, if a United States Marine can wear the breifs without flinching, then Suuperman should have them as well.

[KAZUYA]

Hey Yall just finished this one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperFire.jpg

[Carmine Falcone]

badass :up:

[KAZUYA]

badass :up:Thx Carmine :)

[AGL 2]

Hey Yall just finished this one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperFire.jpg
this manip is great.

it's the first manip that actually gives us an idea of what Routh's Superman could look like. the hair, the build, the expression, the eyes, great job Kaz!

[KAZUYA]

this manip is great.

it's the first manip that actually gives us an idea of what Routh's Superman could look like. the hair, the build, the expression, the eyes, great job Kaz!So now do you think he will make a good Superman?,, Lol

[AGL 2]

So now do you think he will make a good Superman?,, Lolactually, i was trying to be positive. haha.

i also think your manip proves that he just doesn't have the features to be Superman, because everything in that manip is perfect, except the one thing that stands out are Routh's non-Superman features.

but, you know, i'm open-minded. at this point, i don't like him, but i understand that i've only a few pictures to base my opinion on, so i'll give him a chance just like everyone else. i'm just a little dissapointed that i have to "wait and give the guy a chance" rather than be excited from the beginning.

which reminds me, Routh's episode of Will & Grace is on today at 6pm. So I'll watch it, see him live action, and maybe get a better sense of him.

[KAZUYA]

actually, i was trying to be positive. haha.

i also think your manip proves that he just doesn't have the features to be Superman, because everything in that manip is perfect, except the one thing that stands out are Routh's non-Superman features.
.Funny I think he looks just like Chris Reeve and he was a perfect Superman. I am glad Brandon was cast and not Welling and I never thought I would say or think that. Go Brandon!!!

[AGL 2]

Funny I think he looks just like Chris Reeve and he was a perfect Superman. I am glad Brandon was cast and not Welling and I never thought I would say or think that. Go Brandon!!!i guess we can agree to disagree, but, hey, i wanna be wrong! i hope Routh convinces me and the world that he's an awesome Superman.

by the way, i didn't want Welling anywhere near this part, either. i'm just generally dissatisfied, not specifically dissatisfied that Welling wasn't Superman, haha.

[Saint]

Hey Yall just finished this one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperFire.jpg

Good stuff.

[KAZUYA]

Good stuff.Thank ya Saint :)

Btw Im really diggin on making Comic covers into manips if anyone has some good comic covers post em and I will try and do something cool.

PS: I need more Brandon Routh pics if anyone has some pm me the links please.

[Rage]

Ah, so all the tonal work was on Photoshop? Either way the resemblance is uncanny and even for doing the touchups in shop it is amazing. That kind of work In PS is hard and agonizing. Great job.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/RageStudios/Compare.jpg

It was the eyes...mine are too small/squinty...oh well, I'm not going to change it now. I'm pretty happy with the rest...still wish I could have gotten the hair more photorealistic though.

Rage

[KAZUYA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/RageStudios/Compare.jpg

It was the eyes...mine are too small/squinty...oh well, I'm not going to change it now. I'm pretty happy with the rest...still wish I could have gotten the hair more photorealistic though.

RageIt looks as if you just added an effect in photo shop to the pic. Dont take that the wrong way,, It just looks so much like the original pic.

Nice Reeve tribute.

[Lobo]

Hey Yall just finished this one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperFire.jpg

Great work :up:

[SuperDaniel]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Routh5.jpg

[KAZUYA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Routh5.jpgSuperman just ate Lois :)

[Zorex]

Yeah, he's looking a little plump...:)

[SuperDaniel]

This one is better!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Routh6.jpg

[KAZUYA]

This one is better!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Routh6.jpgNow thats a lot better shrink the head a tad and it will be a really nice manip.

[SuperDaniel]

edit

[KAZUYA]

better?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Routh7.jpgA little 2 small now,, just shrink it like 2% of the 1st one. Put background back in or new background :)

[SuperDaniel]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Routh7.jpg

[KAZUYA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Uaala/Routh7.jpg :up:

[SuperDaniel]

Thanks for the tips, Kaz! :up:

[Son of Jor-El]

batgirl - that reeve drawing is amazing. i hope the routh one comes out half as good :)


steelsheen - ross never actually made one but someone maniped routh's head onto a painting done by ross for the comic superman: strength. batgirl said it's on brandonrouth.com. a link is in her sig

[IT is Batgirl]

The Routh drawing won't happen until December now. =[

[Son of Jor-El]

aw that sucks...is he overloaded with work?

[IT is Batgirl]

aw that sucks...is he overloaded with work?

He's probably busy with his Adriana Lima series. *shrug*

[Son of Jor-El]

well you know that old cliche:

anything good's worth waiting for

or something like that...come to think of it i have no idea how that cliche goes :p

[BK]

He's probably busy with his Adriana Lima series. *shrug*
That hot Victoria's Secret model? :eek:






Keep us updated on that one. :o :p

[IT is Batgirl]

That hot Victoria's Secret model? :eek:






Keep us updated on that one. :o :p

The one and only. I'll ask him to email them to me so you guys can see.

[Son of Jor-El]

this is something i whipped up when i first heard about routh...been afraid to post it cause these boards can be downright brutal ;) . but here it is...i know's he a bit pale, BUT, that is sydney behind him. the suit's made from scratch

http://tinypic.com/m1rq1

[The Watchman]

good work man, don't worry about what people think, just wear your colors fella.

[Son of Jor-El]

thanks :)

[StarvingArtist]

http://willdrawforfood.com/SuperRouth4.jpg
Neither perfect, nor done, but close enough to share. Enjoy :)

[IT is Batgirl]

http://willdrawforfood.com/SuperRouth4.jpg
Neither perfect, nor done, but close enough to share. Enjoy :)

I can sorta see it. The nose is really huge. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[hame4479]

http://willdrawforfood.com/SuperRouth4.jpg
Neither perfect, nor done, but close enough to share. Enjoy :)
man that is awesome! how did u make that face did u paint it urself caus if u did u got some talent.

[StarvingArtist]

http://willdrawforfood.com/SuperRouth6.jpg

Excellent note Batgirl :) Tweaked the face a bit. There are still a million things that I don't like about it, Nowlan'd \S/ in particular which I'll play with next, but overall I think it came out perty nice. Enjoy http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/superman1.gif And yes, I did paint the face myself.

[IT is Batgirl]

http://willdrawforfood.com/SuperRouth6.jpg

Excellent note Batgirl :) Tweaked the face a bit. There are still a million things that I don't like about it, Nowlan'd \S/ in particular which I'll play with next, but overall I think it came out perty nice. Enjoy http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/superman1.gif And yes, I did paint the face myself.

That kicks ass. Great Routh painting.

[AGL 4]

Routh is going to have the best eyebrows of any Superman! Superbrows, if you will.

[TheSuperBatFan]

http://willdrawforfood.com/SuperRouth4.jpg
Neither perfect, nor done, but close enough to share. Enjoy :)

NICE WORK DUDE! Mind if I shrink it down though as I want to add it to my poster:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/thesuperbatfan/Superman-poster.jpg

I had to put his face in shadow to hide the fact that it was the exact same picture I was using of Routh, :D

[IT is Batgirl]

http://willdrawforfood.com/SuperRouth6.jpg

Excellent note Batgirl :) Tweaked the face a bit. There are still a million things that I don't like about it, Nowlan'd \S/ in particular which I'll play with next, but overall I think it came out perty nice. Enjoy http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/superman1.gif And yes, I did paint the face myself.

I'm so digging this. Oh, the anticipation! Superman will fly again!

[StarvingArtist]

awww and I thought I did such a good job! I dunno, I think that they both look dissimilar enough that you could put his face in the sun. I'd use the most recent version though. Awesome poster btw :) Is that big supes in the center another one of my manips? Also, where is that pic of Spacey from?

[TheSuperBatFan]

Hey Yall just finished this one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/Kazzz/Manips/SuperFire.jpg

thats fan*friggin*tastic dude.

[TheSuperBatFan]

awww and I thought I did such a good job! I dunno, I think that they both look dissimilar enough that you could put his face in the sun. I'd use the most recent version though. Awesome poster btw :) Is that big supes in the center another one of my manips? Also, where is that pic of Spacey from?

Thanx, I based it off of the Rocketeer poster, and the picture of Spacey is from Google image search, I just made him bald. As for the center pic of Superman it very well could be yours, I found it on my computer while making the poster, and I know it was originally from here and I had saved it, but the picture didn't have a signature, and also the S is Rage's S. Really the picture is a composite of a whole bunch of manips from here mixed with real pictures from the internet. LIke I have Puck's Clark Kent, apparently your Superman, whats his name's Superman flying in the back (soon to be replaced by your manip, :D) Rage's S, mixed with pictures of Spacey and Lilly, and the Daily Planet just for fun.

[IT is Batgirl]

That is Starving Artists' Routh manip on your poster SuperBat. SA buffed Routh up.

[StarvingArtist]

Is it me, or does Superman's body in the base painting I used look a little out of proportion? Either he has the largest ribcage I've ever seen or he has a size 20 waist. Something looks off. Hmm.

[IT is Batgirl]

Is it me, or does Superman's body in the base painting I used look a little out of proportion? Either he has the largest ribcage I've ever seen or he has a size 20 waist. hmm.

Yup, it's a bit exaggerrated.

[StarvingArtist]

It's bothering me. Gonna change it.

[Sverdlovski]

The manip is very good StarvingArtist, Routh looks older (30ish, which is the ideal age for Superman). There'is just a bit much of red in his eyes though...

[StarvingArtist]

The manip is very good StarvingArtist, Routh looks older (30ish, which is the ideal age for Superman). There'is just a bit much of red in his eyes though...
That's cause he was up late hitting the bong with Batman

[Sverdlovski]

That's why his ears are on fire....:p

[StarvingArtist]

That's why his ears are on fire....:p duh! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/joker.gif

[TheSuperBatFan]

ladies and gentlemen, my updated poster:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/thesuperbatfan/Superman-poster2.jpg

oh and the reason your pictures out of proportion is because Nowlan draws out of proportion, its not your fault, its his

[Rage]

It looks as if you just added an effect in photo shop to the pic. Dont take that the wrong way,, It just looks so much like the original pic.

Nice Reeve tribute.

Hey...I take that as a compliment dude!! If people think that all I did was use a filter over a likeness...that is kick@ss!! I actually bastardized a technique used by Drew Struzan (below)
http://www.elobelisco.net/struzan/jpg/drew85.jpg

Where he traces ( :rolleyes: ) the image on to canvas...then paints over it with thin to thick then tightens it up with highlights and detail at the end with pencil crayons... Unfortunatley...I can't tighten it up as crisp as I would have liked (damn airbrush tool!!) which might ad to the whole "filter" look...The head is a touch too fat and I just couldn't nail the eyes...a buddy thinks they look like Namor's eyes :D

But thanks for thinking its a picture with a filter.

Rage

[Rage]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/RageStudios/Compare.jpg

KAZYUA... The thing is...I am a professional graphic artist/designer and professional comic book artist... This is not a hobby...this is what I do for a living...so it being that close is a testament to my work and training (props to the Joe Kubert School!) and ultimately...a compliment. :D

By the way...I really liked your painting of Reeve. I assume that because you used that sky background that it's not officially allowed to compete in the tribute contest...Which is too bad. It is a really good painting.

Rage

[C. Lee]

I actually bastardized a technique used by Drew Struzan (below)
http://www.elobelisco.net/struzan/jpg/drew85.jpg

Where he traces ( :rolleyes: ) the image on to canvas...then paints over it with thin to thick then tightens it up with highlights and detail at the end with pencil crayons.
With the insertion of the "rolling eyes" smilie, I assume you don't approve of this technique. I myself don't ordinarily trace a picture that I want to work on, but have occasionaly done it to get proportions right (and if it guarenteed that my work would wind up looking like Struzan's, I would do it more often). I don't feel that it is a big "no-no" to do it, especialy for when it is being done to show someone known for a movie poster.

[Rage]

With the insertion of the "rolling eyes" smilie, I assume you don't approve of this technique. I myself don't ordinarily trace a picture that I want to work on, but have occasionaly done it to get proportions right (and if it guarenteed that my work would wind up looking like Struzan's, I would do it more often). I don't feel that it is a big "no-no" to do it, especialy for when it is being done to show someone known for a movie poster.

Just the opposite. Most people would look down on tracing...but I was taught by my one of my profs at JKS...if you know you can draw it just as good but it will save you the time to trace...trace it...because in art...time is money. Infact...I traced the Reeve head on my tribute piece...then scanned it in to photoshop and worked on that... I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TRACING...but some people do look down on it.

And I do agree that with likenesses....better to get the right. A good likeness in a painting, comic or movie poster is what really makes the piece believable.

Rage

[Rage]

Is it me, or does Superman's body in the base painting I used look a little out of proportion? Either he has the largest ribcage I've ever seen or he has a size 20 waist. Something looks off. Hmm.

That's Kevin Nowlan's style baby! Kinda weird at first...but it grows on you. I love his stuff and can never get enough of it. Nice guy too. When I talked to him at San Diego...he was more interested in me than I was in him...I could barely get a word in edgewise...he just kept asking me questions.

Rage

[C. Lee]

Just the opposite. Most people would look down on tracing...but I was taught by my one of my profs at JKS...if you know you can draw it just as good but it will save you the time to trace...trace it...because in art...time is money. Infact...I traced the Reeve head on my tribute piece...then scanned it in to photoshop and worked on that... I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TRACING...but some people do look down on it.

And I do agree that with likenesses....better to get the right. A good likeness in a painting, comic or movie poster is what really makes the piece believable.

Rage
OK...sorry if I misunderstood you.

[StarvingArtist]

Hey Rage, you're a proffessional comic book artist? That's awesome! What books have you worked on? I interned at DC comics this past summer in the pre-press dept. It was AMAZING to be able to handle actual artwork, scan it, touch it up, put interiors together, etc. I also got to hang out with the likes of Mike Carlin and Ivan Cohen. I'm graduating college this year and trying to get back to New York to see if I can work there full time, although my post college plans aren't set in stone by any means. Thinking about going to Italy to study art sometime in the near future. I'd love to see more of your work!

[Bad Superman]

http://willdrawforfood.com/SuperRouth4.jpg
Neither perfect, nor done, but close enough to share. Enjoy :)

Wow. Great work. :up:

[darthbakpao]

ok, i admit, i'm still a sucker for caviezel as superman

http://www.geocities.com/iskandarsalim/supes-cav.jpg

[superfever]

nice, sucker. :D

si it him, starvingartist?

[superfever]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/ReeveTribute.jpg

Not really a photomanipulation, but a peice I just finished for the Christopher Reeve Fan Art Contest...kinda weird...drawing Chris Reeve instead of pasting someone else's face over his :rolleyes: Had fun doing it...but took a long time.

Rage

beautiful, beautiful and beautiful.

[Puckenstein]

ok, i admit, i'm still a sucker for caviezel as superman

http://www.geocities.com/iskandarsalim/supes-cav.jpg




Now THIS is just...plain...awesome.

[Phaser]

ok, i admit, i'm still a sucker for caviezel as superman

http://www.geocities.com/iskandarsalim/supes-cav.jpg

Excellent manip. The best one of JC as far as I've seen. :up:

I really wanted Cavz to be Supes...:(

[Rage]

Hey Rage, you're a proffessional comic book artist? That's awesome! What books have you worked on? I interned at DC comics this past summer in the pre-press dept. It was AMAZING to be able to handle actual artwork, scan it, touch it up, put interiors together, etc. I also got to hang out with the likes of Mike Carlin and Ivan Cohen. I'm graduating college this year and trying to get back to New York to see if I can work there full time, although my post college plans aren't set in stone by any means. Thinking about going to Italy to study art sometime in the near future. I'd love to see more of your work!

Worked on books like X-man, Nightwing and Wolverine doing some inking(ghosting for someone else and doing some background inks too) Did some work in indi projects like Tommy Gunn (ghosting again)

Currently drawing (pencils, inks and computer colouring) a series called Kid Krusaders. Its a cartoony book that deals with childrens issues like abuse, bullying and internet luring so far...It's not mainstream...but I get paid way better than i would at Marvel or DC...and the work is easier :D Can't beat that!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/KidKrusadersCover2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/KKpanel.jpg

And as you can see...there is still some Superman leaking into the comic with the reveal and the "Supermanesque" comic book cover...so I have some fun with it.

Rage

[KAZUYA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/RageStudios/Compare.jpg

KAZYUA... The thing is...I am a professional graphic artist/designer and professional comic book artist... This is not a hobby...this is what I do for a living...so it being that close is a testament to my work and training (props to the Joe Kubert School!) and ultimately...a compliment. :D

By the way...I really liked your painting of Reeve. I assume that because you used that sky background that it's not officially allowed to compete in the tribute contest...Which is too bad. It is a really good painting.

RageThx I dont mind not being allowed to compete I never win anything anyways;)

I would love to be a pro but its so hard to break into the business I dont even try:( www.comicstofilm.com has a bunch of my manips and art my tag there is KAZ, I dont upload my best art couse it can be stolen, Anywho if you would like to check it out and tell me what you think I would like to hear what tips a pro would have for me.

[KAZUYA]

ok, i admit, i'm still a sucker for caviezel as superman
Sweet pic even though I was never a fan of JC 4 Sups, I like how you made it diff and not just a face slapper:) :up:

[KAZUYA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/KidKrusadersCover2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/KKpanel.jpg

And as you can see...there is still some Superman leaking into the comic with the reveal and the "Supermanesque" comic book cover...so I have some fun with it.

Ragehttp://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/ioa/arnold/arnoldwebart/Black%20Arnold.jpg :up: :joker:

[IT is Batgirl]

Update: The Routh drawing will be started on tomorrow, not December. I can post up some of the guy's recent drawings that are not on his website if anyone is curious as to how good/bad he is.

[Son of Jor-El]

post away. does he have anymore with reeve?

[IT is Batgirl]

post away. does he have anymore with reeve?

Nope. Just the one I already posted.

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/4655/CigarrGIRL.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/8026/serie1f.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/1084/serie213.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/3615/adriana24WEB.jpg

[Sverdlovski]

Please do it.

[Bad Superman]

Nope. Just the one I already posted.

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/4655/CigarrGIRL.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/8026/serie1f.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/1084/serie213.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/3615/adriana24WEB.jpg

HMMMM. . . .
http://logo.cafepress.com/1/319838.218611.jpg

[gdw]

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/ioa/arnold/arnoldwebart/Black%20Arnold.jpg :up: :joker:

Is it just me or is that SUPPOSED to look like Govener Arnold?

[Puckenstein]

Is it just me or is that SUPPOSED to look like Govener Arnold?


I was thinking the same thing, but didn't wanna say anything.

Puts a whole new spin on Arnold and Willis.

[Bad Superman]

Me as Cyborg. Striking resemblance, don't you think? :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/Bad_Superman/cyborg2.jpg

[StarvingArtist]

Awesome stuff Rage. How long have you been doing this professionally? How'd you get your start?

[darthbakpao]

Excellent manip. The best one of JC as far as I've seen. :up:

I really wanted Cavz to be Supes...:(
thanks man, me too... it's just too bad, now the closest i can get is to 'entertain' myself doing manips of superman out of JC's head :D

[darthbakpao]

Sweet pic even though I was never a fan of JC 4 Sups, I like how you made it diff and not just a face slapper:) :up:
thanks! i like your artworks too, they're great! along with rage's and starvingartist's

[Superman20]

Superman just ate Lois :)


in that case shouldn't his face be glistening?

[Zorex]

revisiting an older concept...

http://img110.exs.cx/img110/7444/SReturnsposter1.jpg

http://img110.exs.cx/img110/6308/SReturnsposter2.jpg

[Rage]

Nice teaser poster!!

Rage

[Rage]

fixed the eyes in this painting because they were bothering me something awful all day (this image is my desktop)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/Updatedversion.jpg

I think that it looks WAY more like Reeve now.

Rage

[BK]

Nope. Just the one I already posted.

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/4655/CigarrGIRL.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/8026/serie1f.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/1084/serie213.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/3615/adriana24WEB.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Shocked/011.gif

That is some great stuff. Lima looks absolutely fantastic!

[Superman]

fixed the eyes in this painting because they were bothering me something awful all day (this image is my desktop)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Rage5/Updatedversion.jpg

I think that it looks WAY more like Reeve now.

RageYeah, I noticed the eyes too, Much better. :up: :)

[IT is Batgirl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/Dex4788/Smilies/Shocked/011.gif

That is some great stuff. Lima looks absolutely fantastic!

The guy starts the Routh drawing tomorrow!

[Rage]

Can't wait to see it.

Rage

[superfever]

great 'old'/ concept, zorex.
very nice, rage, your artwork.