The REAL Marvel issue numbers....

[Themanofbat]

Ok, I've seen a few comments here and there about the numbering on all of our favorite Marvel characters. Now, the following may be misleading, especially for fans of the Hulk, Thor and Captn America (because they started their runs after their anthology books were finished, but kept the old numbering systems). Nonetheless, I've tried my best to figure out exactly what the numbers should be today. (I've not counted the anthology appearances, because then I'd have to include minimal appearances by some characters in Strange Tales, as well as Amazing fantasy #15 for Spidey)

Fantastic Four #500

FF#1-416 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Amazing Spider-Man #496

ASM#1-441 vol.1
ASM#1-55 vol.2

Avengers #490

Avengers#1-402 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-69 vol.3

Thor #443

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-66 vol.2

Hulk #436

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-57 vol.3

Captain America #433

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-15 vol.4

DareDevil #429

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-49 vol.2

Iron Man #415

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-70 vol.3


Well, that's a wrap.
I think I got all the heavy hitters.

Let the debate begin.... :)

Cheers... :batman:

[The Hobgoblin]

A couple of questions my Batty friend,

Tales of Suspense.... Do I take it that Cap continued with the numbering of that and Iron Man was given a complete new numbering for his first solo book?

Or was it just the case that Cap was the character that kept selling and Iron Man was restarted at a later date after TOS ended?

[TheCorpulent1]

Ah, Themanofbat. Your anal retentive attention to detail is an inspiration to us all. :D

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by The Hobgoblin
A couple of questions my Batty friend,

Tales of Suspense.... Do I take it that Cap continued with the numbering of that and Iron Man was given a complete new numbering for his first solo book?

Or was it just the case that Cap was the character that kept selling and Iron Man was restarted at a later date after TOS ended?

Tales of Suspense #99 was released in March 1968, and Cap #100 came out the following month in April. Hulk #102 was also released in April 1968. Iron Man #1 came out in May of 1968, as did Captain Marvel #1 and the SubMariner #1. June saw Dr.Strange #169 (formerly Strange Tales) and Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD #1. Silver Surfer #1 debuted in August 1968.

The reason for all those releases in 1968 was the simple fact that all comic sales were in decline... except for Marvel. Harvey, Archie, and Dell had cancelled all their superhero titles and Marvel, who was now selling over 50 million comics per year, finally had the strength to renegotiate their distribution deal. After this deal was signed, many of their characters expanded into their own titles, as noted above.

Cheers... :batman:

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Ah, Themanofbat. Your anal retentive attention to detail is an inspiration to us all. :D

It's my life...
It's my pride...

;)

[The Hobgoblin]

So....

Captain America was at #102 when Iron Man was at #2?

So when did Captain America get relaunched as Vol.2 #1? Was that Heroes Reborn?

I know Iron Man vol.2 was the Heroes Reborn storyline - and it wasn't a good one.

[Themanofbat]

Yes, the 4 books that came out of the horrible "Heroes Reborn" were indeed Captain America, Iron Man, the Avengers & the Fantastic Four. You'll kindly note that those 4 books have a 13 issue vol.2 run, and when they came back to the regular Marvel Universe, they all relaunched again with a third volume.

[Themanofbat]

Back in 1968, the "First issue = more sales" mentality probably wasn't as prevalent as it is today. They probably decided on keeping the old numbering for people who were buying the books at that time and were following issue numbers, just so they wouldn't get too confused....

I don't really know why.... :confused:

:(

[The Hobgoblin]

So Cap has been relaunched twice after Heroes Reborn? I take it he just got cancelled at #50 of Vol.3 and then given a new lease of life post-911?!

Am I right or am I right?

[MarvelMovies]

*Saves info.*

*Thanks Themanofbat*

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by The Hobgoblin
So Cap has been relaunched twice after Heroes Reborn? I take it he just got cancelled at #50 of Vol.3 and then given a new lease of life post-911?!

Am I right or am I right?

Yes.

I would say so... the first story arc had Cap fighting a bunch of terrorists, and the story telling was just dripping with Americana patriotism.

The fact that Marvel felt they could sell a few more titles with yet again, another #1 really leaves me wondering......

[Lord Blackbolt]

they shouldn't count that crappy Heroes Reborn volumes....

[Themanofbat]

This is a great thread. :)

[the defenders]

heh
cool

[CantThinkOfAName]

When are you gonna get out of your denial, manofbat:mad: The REAL numbers are the ones that appear on the cover. Acceptance of this is the first step toward getting into Nu Marvel:) Who knows, maybe one day youll be reading Ultimate Spider-Man:eek::)

[Johnny Blaze]

Hopefully, they will return The Avengers back to it's original numbering when it hits the big 5-0-0.

[dk]

Marvel should do away with #2 issues, and simply release a new #1 every single month for every title they publish.

It's practically gotten to that point, so why not just take it all the way?

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by dk
Marvel should do away with #2 issues, and simply release a new #1 every single month for every title they publish.

It's practically gotten to that point, so why not just take it all the way?

Now THERE'S an idea.... :D :D :D

Imagine... every month would be a special collector's edition issue... :)

;)

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by CantThinkOfAName
When are you gonna get out of your denial, manofbat:mad: The REAL numbers are the ones that appear on the cover. Acceptance of this is the first step toward getting into Nu Marvel:) Who knows, maybe one day youll be reading Ultimate Spider-Man:eek::)

While I've been tempted to pick up the trades (in recent moments of weakness), I don't see myself getting into the NEW Ultimate Marvel.

:)

[The Hobgoblin]

Tempted eh?

A self TMOBbing is on the horizon.... I can tell.

Dirty boy. :D

[nabob1982]

if every issue were a special edition, it would be like we time warped back to the early/mid 90's

[Movies205]

I have a question, by FF4 going back to orignal numbering can it use history from the orignal series?

[Lord Blackbolt]

it always did before.

[Jugsy]

Originally posted by Movies205
I have a question, by FF4 going back to orignal numbering can it use history from the orignal series?

just because they're re-launched doesn't mean they star again. LIke with Spec #1 you'd expect them to do spidey's origin, but's just pete moving to a knew house, making friends, then going after Venom.

[Movies205]

Originally posted by Lord Blackbolt
it always did before.

What was the point of relaunching with a new number system?

[Nightcrawler17]

It's a way for Marvel to attract new readers. That's why they gave Wolverine a new #1 six months ago.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
Ok, I've seen a few comments here and there about the numbering on all of our favorite Marvel characters. Now, the following may be misleading, especially for fans of the Hulk, Thor and Captn America (because they started their runs after their anthology books were finished, but kept the old numbering systems). Nonetheless, I've tried my best to figure out exactly what the numbers should be today. (I've not counted the anthology appearances, because then I'd have to include minimal appearances by some characters in Strange Tales, as well as Amazing fantasy #15 for Spidey)

Fantastic Four #500

FF#1-416 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Amazing Spider-Man #496

ASM#1-441 vol.1
ASM#1-55 vol.2

Avengers #490

Avengers#1-402 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-69 vol.3

Thor #443

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-66 vol.2

Hulk #436

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-57 vol.3

Captain America #433

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-15 vol.4

DareDevil #429

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-49 vol.2

Iron Man #415

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-70 vol.3


Well, that's a wrap.
I think I got all the heavy hitters.

Let the debate begin.... :)

Cheers... :batman:

With all teh recent talk about Thor reaching #500 first, I thought we should revisit this thread.

Let's have an update here.... :)

Fantastic Four #513

FF#1-416, 501-513 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Amazing Spider-Man #508

ASM#1-441, 501-508 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

Avengers #498

Avengers#1-402 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-83 vol.3

Thor #456

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-79 vol.2

Hulk #451

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-72 vol.3

Captain America #444

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-26 vol.4

DareDevil #440

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-60 vol.2

Iron Man #428

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-83 vol.3

Spectacular Spider-Man #278

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-15 vol.2

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd be great if we could just go back to that numbering system. Thor could get a real #500 with some actual attention devoted to it.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
It'd be great if we could just go back to that numbering system. Thor could get a real #500 with some actual attention devoted to it.

The only problem with those numbers are the fact that they don't take into account the original anthology books that had the original numbering; ie Journey into Mystery, Tales to Astonish, etc...

And a great many of us grew up reading these comics in the 70's & 80's based on the continuation of the titles based on the anthology numbers.... so it could be confusing, especially to Hulk & Thor fans.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but technically the anthology issues shouldn't count anyway. I like that Marvel's starting to revert a lot of their comics back to the older numbering system but stuff like this Avengers renumbering, followed by a relaunch about 4 issues later, just makes me wonder what the point is.

[WeeZiTe]

It's funny, because I was planning on busting out a Wizard and figuring out what original numbering Hulk and Daredevil were on. Thanks, Themanofbat.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by WeeZiTe
It's funny, because I was planning on busting out a Wizard and figuring out what original numbering Hulk and Daredevil were on. Thanks, Themanofbat.

No sweat. ;)

[Al Frocks]

So why are the one's that went back to the original numbering considered vol 1 still?

[Themanofbat]

Thor #462

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-85 vol.2

Looks like Thor won't have a chance to make it to #500 after all.... if the rumors are true.

[CantThinkOfAName]

Why don't you do Silver Surfer and She-Hulk, too.:)

[Themanofbat]

I love this thread.

:)

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Ah, Themanofbat. Your anal retentive attention to detail is an inspiration to us all. :D

You can't be anal retentive if you dont have an anus.

But I'm pretty sure he does.

...

Carry on.

[dk]

Back in 1968, the "First issue = more sales" mentality probably wasn't as prevalent as it is today. They probably decided on keeping the old numbering for people who were buying the books at that time and were following issue numbers, just so they wouldn't get too confused....

I don't really know why.... :confused:

There were two reasons, basically. Comic publishers had to pay a fee every time they began a new title - some sort of listing with the USPS, I believe. So to get around this, many publishers would continue a new series off an old series' numbering. Their way of fooling the system into thinking it was the same book and avoiding payment.

The other reason was that retailers looked more favorably on books that were established. They were more likely to stock a title that had been around long enough to build up a following. High issue numbers meant "people must be buying this book" as far as retailers were concerned. It would probably still mean that if comics were distributed anywhere outside of comic book shops these days.

[Movies205]

It would probably still mean that if comics were distributed anywhere outside of comic book shops these days.

But this goes hand in hand with the reason they do relaunches. Everyone wants to get number 1s, so comics become collector items rather than lititure, so no one wants to bother with them. Hence retailers don't want to stock them since no one's reading them since it's deemed a collectors item like Magic or Pokemon :o The comic industry is slowly killing it self with it's quick-money schemes.

[newnoiseimage]

i dont know, i find something special about say picking up detective comics #800.

to me its almost as if you are taking part in history.. to think that this has been going strong, or strongly enough, fo 800 issues, 60+ years, its something else.

a #1 has that new feel to it, which is great for kids, but for adolescents up, the people who actually have money, its not so good. a relauch is like you said a "collector's item" which is what hurt the industry so badly in the 90's. money should be put into marketing rather than relaunches. look at it this way, if someone recomends you read say wolverine #4, are they talking about the limited series #4, the first ongoing #4 or the more recent #4.

i know continuity refers to characters, but it also has to do with a characters run. to get in on the ground floor and keep riding it to the top has a nice feel to it. to get in on the ground florr, to run 12 floors, and then all of a sudden be back on the first floor just, well, sucks.

marvel has this idea that they are parallel with the film industry, hence the different "chapters" or sequels, and the directors cuts. they should just try to get the character to 500 issues so they can sell it better. what seems more impressive to a prospective buyer or licenser a character that is on issue #5 or issue #505?

just me thoughts.

[iloveclones]

Looking at your list sort of reminded me of all the great characters they came up with in such a short amount of time: Spidey, FF, Avengers, Doc Strange, DD, Hulk. Themanofbat, what would be the shortest time frame that you could give that would include a majority of new (Cap and Namor don't count) characters(let's leave it at good guys)?

[newnoiseimage]

That’s two big humps to get over. Retailer confidence is why books like She-Hulk or Runaways tend to launch so low – on the March ’05 order form there are seventy comic books (and seventeen new TP releases) coming from Marvel. It is really hard for an individual book to stand out of the pack in that kind of swell of product (especially when you think about the eighty-three comics and twenty-six books coming from DC in that same month!) It is made harder when 11 of those 70 comics are issue #1.
(Parenthetically, 33 out of 70 comics offered by Marvel for March are issue #4 or below – 47% -- and it is generally understood that it takes 6-8 issues to establish actual sales on a title. DC’s percentage for the same period is 17 out of 83 comics being below issue #4, or 20%)


thought that was an interesting look at the current state of things.

[BlackSymbiote]

Man, this thread is OLD, but I'm glad it was bumped up.

[Themanofbat]

Looking at your list sort of reminded me of all the great characters they came up with in such a short amount of time: Spidey, FF, Avengers, Doc Strange, DD, Hulk. Themanofbat, what would be the shortest time frame that you could give that would include a majority of new (Cap and Namor don't count) characters(let's leave it at good guys)?

My mind is a blank. :eek: :eek: :eek: ;)

I'll get back to you on this....

:)

[iloveclones]

What?!?!?!? I stumped Themanofbat??? This is a red letter day over here in the clone cave.

In my mind, I'm picturing TMOB sitting with his long boxes, with one of those old fashioned accounting machines typing away like crazy, shouting "Should I include Wonder Man?!? He wasn't a good guy 'til later! And what about Wanda. And Pietro. And Magneto?? And.. And...AHHHRRRRHHHRRR"

[Tokyo Vigilante #1]

Marvel should do away with #2 issues, and simply release a new #1 every single month for every title they publish.


*shrugs*

I wouldn't have a real problem with that. As long as the insides were good, I wouldn't really give a damn.

[dk]

*shrugs*

I wouldn't have a real problem with that. As long as the insides were good, I wouldn't really give a damn.

OK, let me ask you this, then. In the eyes of a collector, what makes #1 vol. 14 more or less significant than #1 vol. 31? If a person likes and follows a certain character, would it be easy or difficult for them to keep track of every #1 released and collect them all? Would it even be necessary to buy back issues, since you're getting in on the "ground floor" every month anyway?

What the constant stop and starts are actually doing is eliminating the collector mentality. There's no loyalty to buying a series and sticking with it through thick and thin anymore. Sales reflect this, as there's a small to non-existent core readership now - people you can count on to pick up a book every month. Title by title, it can change dramatically in an instant. A creative team leaves - sales drop by 30%. "Time for a new #1. We'll get the next group of people willing to jump on the merry-go-round." What about hanging on to the LAST group for more than a year or so?

Used to be, if you were a Captain America fan, you bought Captain America every single month, rain-or-shine, for as long as you read comics. If you dropped it for some reason, you knew you could come back in a year and it'd still be there - at least it wouldn't be on an earlier issue number than when you left. You picked up every back issue you could get your hands on, because you wanted to complete your collection. Do people even do this anymore? I doubt most readers hang on a title for more than a few years average. They jump to another book, or give up reading comics altogether.

Your local comic shop used to stock back issues - not just a few, but thousands and thousands, right there, in the store! They HAD to, because a large part of their sales every month came from back issues. Now, there's vintage dealers, who specialize in 1970's and older comic books, people unloading their recent collections on eBay, and your local comic shop, who - if they're anything like mine - has a total inventory of whatever's sitting on the shelf from the past month or so.

Am I the only one who sees how the current lack of long-term fans dedicated to the hobby is tied to the constant stop-and-starts? And why it's been damaging to the entire industry? Besides distribution, it's the main reason comic book readership has dwindled to what it has - as important, if not more so than pricing, IMO. Most people enter the hobby, stick with it for a few years, give it up, and don't come back. It's too challenging for the casual comic book fan.

[KAD]

OK, let me ask you this, then. In the eyes of a collector, what makes #1 vol. 14 more or less significant than #1 vol. 31? If a person likes and follows a certain character, would it be easy or difficult for them to keep track of every #1 released and collect them all? Would it even be necessary to buy back issues, since you're getting in on the "ground floor" every month anyway?

What the constant stop and starts are actually doing is eliminating the collector mentality. There's no loyalty to buying a series and sticking with it through thick and thin anymore. Sales reflect this, as there's a small to non-existent core readership now - people you can count on to pick up a book every month. Title by title, it can change dramatically in an instant. A creative team leaves - sales drop by 30%. "Time for a new #1. We'll get the next group of people willing to jump on the merry-go-round." What about hanging on to the LAST group for more than a year or so?

Used to be, if you were a Captain America fan, you bought Captain America every single month, rain-or-shine, for as long as you read comics. If you dropped it for some reason, you knew you could come back in a year and it'd still be there - at least it wouldn't be on an earlier issue number than when you left. You picked up every back issue you could get your hands on, because you wanted to complete your collection. Do people even do this anymore? I doubt most readers hang on a title for more than a few years average. They jump to another book, or give up reading comics altogether.

Your local comic shop used to stock back issues - not just a few, but thousands and thousands, right there, in the store! They HAD to, because a large part of their sales every month came from back issues. Now, there's vintage dealers, who specialize in 1970's and older comic books, people unloading their recent collections on eBay, and your local comic shop, who - if they're anything like mine - has a total inventory of whatever's sitting on the shelf from the past month or so.

Am I the only one who sees how the current lack of long-term fans dedicated to the hobby is tied to the constant stop-and-starts? And why it's been damaging to the entire industry? Besides distribution, it's the main reason comic book readership has dwindled to what it has - as important, if not more so than pricing, IMO. Most people enter the hobby, stick with it for a few years, give it up, and don't come back. It's too challenging for the casual comic book fan.

Sounds like a job for.........



Uhmmm someone, anyone HELP

[Gambit8370]

Sounds like a job for.........



Uhmmm someone, anyone HELP

Someone else OTHER THAN Joe.

I blame him every single time I see a Marvel title end and get relaunched.

[Themanofbat]

You picked up every back issue you could get your hands on, because you wanted to complete your collection. Do people even do this anymore? I doubt most readers hang on a title for more than a few years average.

Well, if it makes you feel better... I still do it.

While there are not that many comics I need to hunt down, I have a few. Especially if I start a new series that may be so-many issues from number One, I'll pick up from the start. When I signed on to Spider-Girl, it was around issue #67, and digging up the first 66 issues was kind of fun (in an 80's reminiscent (sic) sort of way). I did get the first 55 issues of e-bay, but it was fun searching for the next 11 issues. (and rather difficult, because most shops didn't have an extra copy of a low-selling title that high in its run).

And for the record, when I start collecting a title, I do so til it's over or I decide it's really not worth it anymore. And it takes me about 3 consecutive years of bad books to decide to drop a title, becausde when I do, I'll probably never go back to it. I still have 200 issue runs from books that I bought from the early 80's until I sort of gave up on comics in 1997 (except for about 4 or 5 titles). When I got back into comics in 2001, I didn't bother start getting those titles (except for the Spidey's, which I have filled in the gaps), because I would feel the need to hunt down 4 years worth of missing comics, most of which would be "bad comics", because comics from 1997 to 2000 were "bad".

The collector's mentality really works against me this way.

:(

[Tokyo Vigilante #1]

OK, let me ask you this, then. In the eyes of a collector, what makes #1 vol. 14 more or less significant than #1 vol. 31? If a person likes and follows a certain character, would it be easy or difficult for them to keep track of every #1 released and collect them all? Would it even be necessary to buy back issues, since you're getting in on the "ground floor" every month anyway?


Interesting point.

I can't speak for the "collector standpoint" because I'm not a "collector." I'm here for stories and art. Sides it would seem that most collectors are more interested in creative teams than numbers these. And sadly more interested in creative teams than stories...but that's another thread for another time.

[dk]

While there are not that many comics I need to hunt down, I have a few. Especially if I start a new series that may be so-many issues from number One, I'll pick up from the start. When I signed on to Spider-Girl, it was around issue #67, and digging up the first 66 issues was kind of fun (in an 80's reminiscent (sic) sort of way). I did get the first 55 issues of e-bay, but it was fun searching for the next 11 issues. (and rather difficult, because most shops didn't have an extra copy of a low-selling title that high in its run).

Spider-Girl is a prime example of a book you CAN collect, though. Because it's had a fairly long, sustained run. And you did exactly what most collectors used to do - came in late, liked what you saw, and went back to fill in your run. That's what it's all about. Would you have felt the need to do that if - instead of one series that's run 80-some issues - collecting Spider-Girl meant tracking down six series than ran anywhere from 12 to 25 issues a pop? Would you just pick one series to collect - the most recent, maybe? Would you zero in on a particular creative team? Or would you say, "Aw...the heck with it. I can't figure it out without a price guide and a bunch of research on the internet" and bag the whole thing?

And for the record, when I start collecting a title, I do so til it's over or I decide it's really not worth it anymore. And it takes me about 3 consecutive years of bad books to decide to drop a title, becausde when I do, I'll probably never go back to it.

You hit on a key point. I think a lot of comic fans, once they really drop a book, never come back to it - at least not as regular monthly readers. A shiny new #1 may draw in a new crop of (fickle) fans, but it also serves as a great jumping off point for (loyal) fans who may have been buying a book for years. Call it fanboy attrition.

[Themanofbat]

Fantastic Four #537

FF#1-416, 501-537 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Amazing Spider-Man #532

ASM#1-441, 501-532 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

Avengers #503

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3

Hulk #474

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-95 vol.3

Captain America #469

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-32 vol.4
Captain America#1-19 vol.5

DareDevil #465

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-85 vol.2

Thor #462

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-85 vol.2

Iron Man #443

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-89 vol.3
Iron Man#1-9 vol.4

Spectacular Spider-Man #290

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-27 vol.2

Silver Surfer #178

SS#1-18 vol.1
SS#1-146 vol.2
SS#1-14 vol.3

Ghost Rider #174

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2

She-Hulk #106

SH#1-25 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-12 vol.3
SH#1-9 vol.4

Dr. Strange #96

DS#169-182 vol.1 (Strange Tales was renamed Dr. Strange after #168)
DS#1-81 vol.2

:)

[TheCorpulent1]

Yay, it returns! :D :up:

[Themanofbat]

Yay, it returns! :D :up:

It's one of those threads that should NEVER go away. :)

[Themanofbat]

What?!?!?!? I stumped Themanofbat??? This is a red letter day over here in the clone cave.

In my mind, I'm picturing TMOB sitting with his long boxes, with one of those old fashioned accounting machines typing away like crazy, shouting "Should I include Wonder Man?!? He wasn't a good guy 'til later! And what about Wanda. And Pietro. And Magneto?? And.. And...AHHHRRRRHHHRRR"


It's like you're living in my house. :)

:(

Why don't you do Silver Surfer and She-Hulk, too.:)

They're in there... and I added Dr. Strange & Ghost Rider as well.

:)

[TheCorpulent1]

It's one of those threads that should NEVER go away. :)
Yes. It's much more deserving of periodic bumping than the "Spider-Man/Batman/Wolverine vs. (insert name here)" threads. :up:

[Ben Urich]

Thanks TMOB - I admire your commitment :up:

[imdaly]

Ghost Rider #174

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2

Doesn't Ghost Rider have a new series going on right now? That'd add a few more issues, wouldn't it?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Themanofbat, you should do X-Men (Uncanny) also. their numbers are screwed up too

[WOLVERINE25TH]

How ya figger?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

x-men 1-65 or 66, then giant size 1, then uncanny 94-now. it doesn't REALLY add up to 474, does it? i could be wrong though

[CantThinkOfAName]

It's like you're living in my house. :)

:(



They're in there... and I added Dr. Strange & Ghost Rider as well.

:)
I noticed that:)


But I think you may have messed up on Silver Surfer:confused:

[Themanofbat]

Doesn't Ghost Rider have a new series going on right now? That'd add a few more issues, wouldn't it?

The current storyline is a 6 issue mini series.

I don't count mini-series... they have to be on-goings.

:)

[Themanofbat]

I noticed that:)

But I think you may have messed up on Silver Surfer:confused:

How so? Remember... I don't count one-shots and/or mini-series.

:)

[imdaly]

The current storyline is a 6 issue mini series.

I don't count mini-series... they have to be on-goings.

:)

Ahh. Gotcha. Didn't realize it was only a mini.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, but you forgot 67-93 which were reprints of the first 66, so Uncanny is where it should be.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

we shouldn't count reprints because they're not new stories. i always thought that was quite stupid but i guess it doesn't matter.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Eh, just think of it like a cancelled show bein' in syndication before a new network decides to pick it up.

[Themanofbat]

The way I see it, if Uncanny came out on a regular schedule, then the numbering is exactly where it is... @ #475 with the next issue.

[iloveclones]

It's like you're living in my house. :)

:(


Maybe I am.....

Could you restock the pantry? You're all out of YooHoo.

[Themanofbat]

Maybe I am.....

Could you restock the pantry? You're all out of YooHoo.

So that's who's been eating my snacks... :mad: :mad: :mad:

:(

[TheCorpulent1]

For shame, Tmob. As a father, you have a responsibility to Thesonofbat to keep your house well-stocked with Yoohoo! It's all a child really needs, you know. That love stuff is just fairy tales. :)

[Themanofbat]

For shame, Tmob. As a father, you have a responsibility to Thesonofbat to keep your house well-stocked with Yoohoo! It's all a child really needs, you know. That love stuff is just fairy tales. :)

He eats too much junk when he's with his Mom... :mad: :mad: :mad:

:(

[TheCorpulent1]

I resent the insinuation that Yoohoo is "junk." It's like chocolate milk without the milk. It's like... like... chocolate water! What could be healthier than that? :confused:

[Themanofbat]

I resent the insinuation that Yoohoo is "junk." It's like chocolate milk without the milk. It's like... like... chocolate water! What could be healthier than that? :confused:

Uhhhh... vegetables? :confused: :confused: :confused:

:( :o

Fantastic Four #537

FF#1-416, 501-537 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Amazing Spider-Man #532

ASM#1-441, 501-532 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

Avengers #503

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3

Hulk #474

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-95 vol.3

Captain America #469

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-32 vol.4
Captain America#1-19 vol.5

DareDevil #465

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-85 vol.2

Thor #462

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-85 vol.2

Iron Man #443

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-89 vol.3
Iron Man#1-9 vol.4

Spectacular Spider-Man #290

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-27 vol.2

Marvel Team Up #182

MTU#1-150 vol.1
MTU#1-11 vol.2
MTU#1-21 vol.3

Silver Surfer #178

SS#1-18 vol.1
SS#1-146 vol.2
SS#1-14 vol.3

Ghost Rider #174

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2

She-Hulk #106

SH#1-25 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-12 vol.3
SH#1-9 vol.4

Dr. Strange #96

DS#169-182 vol.1 (Strange Tales was renamed Dr. Strange after #168)
DS#1-81 vol.2

:)

[iloveclones]

I resent the insinuation that Yoohoo is "junk." It's like chocolate milk without the milk. It's like... like... chocolate water! What could be healthier than that? :confused:

Just to be clear: In my original post, I stated that the pantry was out of YooHoo. And as we all know, the pantry is the place where the necessary staples of life are stored. Like Doritos (hint hint)

[Themanofbat]

Just to be clear: In my original post, I stated that the pantry was out of YooHoo. And as we all know, the pantry is the place where the necessary staples of life are stored. Like Doritos (hint hint)

You like the Nacho flavour, Extra Cheese, Jalapeno???

You want some onion dip with that?

Just don't touch my Ruffles... :mad: :mad: :mad:

:)

[Phaedrus45]

Heck, now Marvel is renumbering their Annuals. If we are to believe them, this week, Uncanny X-Men just had their first annual.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, how the hell do ya list that? X-Men Annual vol. 2 #1?! Remember when they made life easier by havin' the DATES instead of numbers?

[TheCorpulent1]

Weren't they numbering annuals by years a while ago? Maybe this is technically a new volume of annuals if they've gone back to the old numbering system.

[Themanofbat]

Yeah, how the hell do ya list that? X-Men Annual vol. 2 #1?! Remember when they made life easier by havin' the DATES instead of numbers?

Technically, there never was an Uncanny X-Men Annual #1.

The first 2 were Giant-Sized X-Men #1 & 2... the third one came out as Uncanny X-Men Annual #3.

:confused:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, from 95-01.

[CantThinkOfAName]

How so? Remember... I don't count one-shots and/or mini-series.

:)
Thats probably it.


You havent done Marvel Team-Up yet, it boggles me how youve held off for so long:eek::(

[Themanofbat]

Thats probably it.

You havent done Marvel Team-Up yet, it boggles me how youve held off for so long:eek::(

Yeah.... :o

:(

[Themanofbat]

Ok.. ok... I've added Marvel Team-Up

:)

[Themanofbat]

My biggest debate about this particular title was wondering wether or not to add the seven issue stint of Spider-Man Team Up... which seemed like another MTU book.

I decided against it.

[CantThinkOfAName]

That not too many MTU issues:o:(


Oh, and I think you forgot to add Ultimate Marvel Team-Up in that numbering:mad:


:)

[Themanofbat]

Oh, and I think you forgot to add Ultimate Marvel Team-Up in that numbering:mad:

:)

You know I would never count the Ultimate titles... :mad:

:)

[SouLeSS]

Why does marvel insist on doing the various "volumes" of their major roles?

Look at DC. Superman and Batman don't have that =(

[WOLVERINE25TH]

They feel people are put off more by higher numbers so they figger by startin' off from #1 again will attract them.

[CantThinkOfAName]

Why does marvel insist on doing the various "volumes" of their major roles?

Look at DC. Superman and Batman don't have that =(
Uh, DC just relaunched Wonder Woman, the Flash, and Green Lantern within the past year:confused:


And theyre about to relaunch Justice League and Justice Society down the line:o

[Themanofbat]

Time for an update...

Fantastic Four #546

FF#1-416, 501-546 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Amazing Spider-Man #540

ASM#1-441, 501-540 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

Avengers #506

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3
Mighty Avengers #1-3

Hulk #485

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-106 vol.3

Captain America #476

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-32 vol.4
Captain America#1-26 vol.5

DareDevil #477

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-97 vol.2

Thor #462

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-85 vol.2

Iron Man #452

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-89 vol.3
Iron Man#1-18 vol.4

Spectacular Spider-Man #290

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-27 vol.2

Marvel Team Up #186

MTU#1-150 vol.1
MTU#1-11 vol.2
MTU#1-25 vol.3

Ghost Rider #185

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2
GR#1-11 vol.3

Silver Surfer #178

SS#1-18 vol.1
SS#1-146 vol.2
SS#1-14 vol.3

She-Hulk #115

SH#1-25 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-12 vol.3
SH#1-18 vol.4

Moon Knight #108

SH#1-38 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-10 vol.3

Dr. Strange #96

DS#169-182 vol.1 (Strange Tales was renamed Dr. Strange after #168)
DS#1-81 vol.2

:yay:

On a side note, now that "Mighty Avengers" is out, and appear more to be how the original Avengers were, any thoughts on how the Avengers numbering should work out? I had been using the New Avengers as a continuation because, quite frankly, it was the only "Avengers" book out there.

Thoughts? Comments?

All will be appreciated, and please keep the flamming non-existant.

Thanks...

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

On a side note, now that "Mighty Avengers" is out, and appear more to be how the original Avengers were, any thoughts on how the Avengers numbering should work out? I had been using the New Avengers as a continuation because, quite frankly, it was the only "Avengers" book out there.

Thoughts? Comments?

All will be appreciated, and please keep the flamming non-existant.

Thanks...

:yay:

Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Count Mighty Avengers as a continuation of the West Coast Avengers. :)

[Themanofbat]

Count Mighty Avengers as a continuation of the West Coast Avengers. :)

Ha ha! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

Anyone else?

:csad:

[spideyboy_1111]

i thought Fantastic Four and spidey both went back to the old number system.. why would people be confused?

[Themanofbat]

i thought Fantastic Four and spidey both went back to the old number system.. why would people be confused?

At the time that this thread was created, neither book had hit their 500th issue and I believe they were still on the old numbering.

I just post them up there as a reflection of which Marvel titles have the highest number.

:yay:

[spideyboy_1111]

o..... wow.. this thread must be several years old then

[Themanofbat]

Created in July of '03 :word:

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

Fantastic Four #546

FF#1-416, 501-546 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Amazing Spider-Man #540

ASM#1-441, 501-540 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

Avengers #506

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3
Mighty Avengers #1-3

Hulk #485

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-106 vol.3

Captain America #476

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-32 vol.4
Captain America#1-26 vol.5

DareDevil #477

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-97 vol.2

Thor #462

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-85 vol.2

Iron Man #452

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-89 vol.3
Iron Man#1-18 vol.4

Spectacular Spider-Man #290

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-27 vol.2

Marvel Team Up #186

MTU#1-150 vol.1
MTU#1-11 vol.2
MTU#1-25 vol.3

Ghost Rider #185

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2
GR#1-11 vol.3

Silver Surfer #178

SS#1-18 vol.1
SS#1-146 vol.2
SS#1-14 vol.3

She-Hulk #115

SH#1-25 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-12 vol.3
SH#1-18 vol.4

Moon Knight #108

SH#1-38 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-10 vol.3

Dr. Strange #96

DS#169-182 vol.1 (Strange Tales was renamed Dr. Strange after #168)
DS#1-81 vol.2

:yay:

[Themanofbat]

Well, until somebody can offer me a good reasoning, I'm going to use the New Avengers up to issue #26, then I'm going to continue with the Mighty Avengers.

New Avengers #27 was the new "underground" team, and though while still called The Avengers, they are clearly not the Avengers as we know them.

So unless someone has a better argument...

[Elijya]

Well, hold on, to use that argument, are the characters appearing in Adjective less, New X-Men, and Astonishing not the real X-Men because they aren't in Uncanny? One could make a claim that the All New, All Different X-Men weren't the same as the X-Men we knew at the time. X-Factor was also completely shifted when Peter David took over.

Another aspect is the reprint era. Thor was clearly the leading character of JIM for several years before it bore his name, but Detective Comics doesn't need to have "Batman" in it's name to be counted as a Batman issue. Conversely, should X-Men be counted all the way up to present numbers even though several years were reprints?


(I know X-Men wasn't in the tally, and I don't really care all that much, just bringing up some points for debate;))

[hippie_hunter]

Avengers was canceled at #503. Neither New Avengers or Mighty Avengers count towards it's numbering.

Ghost Rider is at volume 6 currently. Volume 1 (1967 - Starring Carter Slade) lasted 7 issues. Volume 2 (1973 - 1983 - Starring Johnny Blaze) lasted 81 issues. Volume 3 (1990 - 1998 - Starring Danny Ketch) lasted 94 issues. Volume 4 (2001 - 2002 - Starring Johnny Blaze) lasted 7 issues. Volume 5 (2005 - 2006 - Starring Johnny Blaze) lasted 6 issues. And the current volume 6 (Starring Johnny Blaze) is at 11 issues. Thus it is currently at #206.

And plus Captain America should be at #575 (#653 if you count Captain America Comics), the Incredible Hulk at 586, Thor at 587, and Dr. Strange at 263. If you count the 60 issue Mark Spector: Moon Knight (1989 - 1994), Moon Knight's numbering should be at #168

Tales of Suspense, Tales to Astonish, Journey into Mystery, and Strange Tales count towards their numbering despite being renamed.

[Elijya]

Back in 1968, the "First issue = more sales" mentality probably wasn't as prevalent as it is today. They probably decided on keeping the old numbering for people who were buying the books at that time and were following issue numbers, just so they wouldn't get too confused....

I don't really know why.... :confused:

:(

If this was never answered....

The "First issue = more sales" mentality was non existent, that's completely true. In fact, it was rather the opposite from what I understand. The issue numbers were a non-issue for several decades, no one payed them any mind until the 1960s when they occasionally started trying to do special issues for #100, 200, etc. in some places.

But the main reason had to do with publication. If a distributer was already ordering so many copies of, say, Tales of Suspense, to cancel it and launch a new Iron Man book wouldn't guarantee the distributor would order as many copies of a title which was already selling in favor of an unknown quantity, a title whose sales hadn't been proven yet. An even more major reason had to do with Marvel's publishing restrictions. If I recall correctly, Marvel books were being distributed by DC (or other company) for a period, and there was a limit to the number of titles they could release every month (somewhere between 8-12) So that's why you had anthology books, and the emergence of the Avengers. Since you couldn't have individual titles for every character because of the restrictions, why not throw them together into a team? Or have them share an anthology title.

The restrictions were lifted towards the end of the 60s (when Goodman sold the company) which was why there was a sudden influx of new Marvel titles 1968-1970, like Sub-Mariner, Silver Surfer, Conan, Iron Man (and conversely Cap taking over the numbers of Tales of Suspense)

[CConn]

I so wish Marvel would go back to the original numberings on a lot of books. I mean, in some cases, it makes some sense (IE, a new numbering for Flash every time a new character takes up the mantle), but the renumbering for a lot of Marvel titles have just been totally pointless. I mean, if they were to change it back right now, would anyone really care if they were buying Iron Man #453 rather than Iron Man #19?

[Elijya]

It might piss off/confuse the hell out of the people who jumped on at the most recent relaunch


Most of the number reverts did something nice, which was to run both the old and new numbers together for a few months, one in light print, the other in bold, and they switched in the middle

[CConn]

It wouldn't confuse anybody if they did the double numbers thing you mentioned.

[Themanofbat]

Avengers was canceled at #503. Neither New Avengers or Mighty Avengers count towards it's numbering.

That is a valid opinion... one that I thought of doing... I'm not really sure. :csad:

Ghost Rider is at volume 6 currently. Volume 1 (1967 - Starring Carter Slade) lasted 7 issues. Volume 2 (1973 - 1983 - Starring Johnny Blaze) lasted 81 issues. Volume 3 (1990 - 1998 - Starring Danny Ketch) lasted 94 issues. Volume 4 (2001 - 2002 - Starring Johnny Blaze) lasted 7 issues. Volume 5 (2005 - 2006 - Starring Johnny Blaze) lasted 6 issues. And the current volume 6 (Starring Johnny Blaze) is at 11 issues. Thus it is currently at #206.


Well, I didn't count the Carter Slade comics because it's not the same character. But there is an argument there, I suppose. But your volumes 4 & 5 don't count because they were mini-series, and as I've stated before, mini-series don't count. Otherwise, you'd have to add TONS of numbers to all the A-listers who still have on-goings as well as lots of minis.

If you count the 60 issue Mark Spector: Moon Knight (1989 - 1994), Moon Knight's numbering should be at #168


Marc Spectre: Moon Knight's 60 issue run is included in my list.

Tales of Suspense, Tales to Astonish, Journey into Mystery, and Strange Tales count towards their numbering despite being renamed.

That would be a big problem, because then Amazing Spider-Man should be +1 at whatever current issue it's at because of Amazing Fantasy #15.

And a LOT of those old antholgy books not only had ONE but TWO major players in the book... such as Tales of Suspense, which featured both Captain America and Iron Man. So if I did as you suggest, then one comic would represent in the numbering of two characters, and that doesn't sit right with me.

[Themanofbat]

Well, hold on, to use that argument, are the characters appearing in Adjective less, New X-Men, and Astonishing not the real X-Men because they aren't in Uncanny? One could make a claim that the All New, All Different X-Men weren't the same as the X-Men we knew at the time. X-Factor was also completely shifted when Peter David took over.

Another aspect is the reprint era. Thor was clearly the leading character of JIM for several years before it bore his name, but Detective Comics doesn't need to have "Batman" in it's name to be counted as a Batman issue. Conversely, should X-Men be counted all the way up to present numbers even though several years were reprints?


(I know X-Men wasn't in the tally, and I don't really care all that much, just bringing up some points for debate;))

I thought about what you said, and I decided to eliminate the "New Avengers" from the counting, and simply go with Mighty Avengers, because that team is more of what the original Avengers were... a government sanctioned team of Marvel's biggest players to fight off the biggest threats.

So I have readjusted the numbers...

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Technically, your numbers are off. You got separate slots fer the different Spidey adjectives, yet She-Hulk started out as SAVAGE She-Hulk an' ya got them all counted together. Same with Avengers/New/Mighty. They're three different books.

The purpose of this thread, as I grasped it, was to make sense of the VOLUME issue an' show what books woulda been if left alone. Different titles shouldn't count towards the same volumes. If yer gonna split up the Spideys, gotta split them all.

[Themanofbat]

Technically, your numbers are off. You got separate slots fer the different Spidey adjectives, yet She-Hulk started out as SAVAGE She-Hulk an' ya got them all counted together. Same with Avengers/New/Mighty. They're three different books.

The purpose of this thread, as I grasped it, was to make sense of the VOLUME issue an' show what books woulda been if left alone. Different titles shouldn't count towards the same volumes. If yer gonna split up the Spideys, gotta split them all.

Well, She-Hulk did indeed start off as "Savage She-Hulk", then got cancelled and began again as "Sensational She-Hulk", then got cancelled again and so forth.

Since they were seperate titles of the same character, I can lump them inot one, just as the current volume of She-Hulk, when it hit #3, celebrated her 100th issue.

Same goes for Moon Knight... different title for the same character at different times.

I have the Spidey books seperated because at one point or another, these books have co-existed.

Make sense?

:yay:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Seems kind of a bass ackwards way of doin' it.

[Not Jake]

You're so dumb. Spidey has to be split up into separate books because he's had long-running stints on separate titles coinciding with each other. He always has at least 3 books at the same time. You can't lump all those into one big Spider-Man category. However She-Hulk only ever has one titular book, and it's never around for very long.:yay::o

[hippie_hunter]

That is a valid opinion... one that I thought of doing... I'm not really sure. :csad:
They're two completely different titles than Avengers. It doesn't count.

Well, I didn't count the Carter Slade comics because it's not the same character. But there is an argument there, I suppose. But your volumes 4 & 5 don't count because they were mini-series, and as I've stated before, mini-series don't count. Otherwise, you'd have to add TONS of numbers to all the A-listers who still have on-goings as well as lots of minis.
Minis do count if they're simply titled after the title character such as Ghost Rider, Sub-Mariner, and Martian Manhunter.

Marc Spectre: Moon Knight's 60 issue run is included in my list.
Oh yeah it is. You forgot the six issue Moon Knight mini series in 1985.

That would be a big problem, because then Amazing Spider-Man should be +1 at whatever current issue it's at because of Amazing Fantasy #15.

And a LOT of those old antholgy books not only had ONE but TWO major players in the book... such as Tales of Suspense, which featured both Captain America and Iron Man. So if I did as you suggest, then one comic would represent in the numbering of two characters, and that doesn't sit right with me.
Except the Amazing Spider-Man didn't continue from Amazing Fantasy. Amazing Fantasy was canceled after issue #15 and the Amazing Spider-Man started shortly afterwards as a brand new comic under a completely different name. Thor, Captain America, Hulk, and Dr. Strange were continuations of their respected anthology titles. Hence why they count.

[Themanofbat]

Amazing Spider-Man #585

ASM#1-441, 501-585 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

Fantastic Four #563

FF#1-416, 501-563 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Avengers #524

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3
Mighty Avengers #1-21

Hulk #499

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-111 vol.3
Hulk#1-9 vol.4

Captain America #496

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-32 vol.4
Captain America#1-46 vol.5

DareDevil #495

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-115 vol.2

Iron Man #479

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-89 vol.3
Iron Man#1-35 vol.4
Iron Man#1-10 vol.5

Thor #474

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-85 vol.2
Thor#1-12 vol.3

Spectacular Spider-Man #290

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-27 vol.2

Ghost Rider #205

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2
GR#1-31 vol.3

Marvel Team Up #186

MTU#1-150 vol.1
MTU#1-11 vol.2
MTU#1-25 vol.3

Silver Surfer #178

SS#1-18 vol.1
SS#1-146 vol.2
SS#1-14 vol.3

She-Hulk #134

SH#1-25 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-12 vol.3
SH#1-37 vol.4

Moon Knight #124

SH#1-38 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-26 vol.3

Dr. Strange #96

DS#169-182 vol.1 (Strange Tales was renamed Dr. Strange after #168)
DS#1-81 vol.2

:yay:

[Hellion]

Amazing Spider-Man #585

ASM#1-441, 501-585 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

Fantastic Four #563

FF#1-416, 501-563 vol.1
FF#1-13 vol.2
FF#1-71 vol.3

Avengers #524

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3
Mighty Avengers #1-21

Hulk #499

Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Hulk#102-474 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Hulk#1-111 vol.3
Hulk#1-9 vol.4

Captain America #496

Captain America#100-454 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-32 vol.4
Captain America#1-46 vol.5

DareDevil #495

DareDevil#1-380 vol.1
DareDevil#1-115 vol.2

Iron Man #479

Iron Man#1-332 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-89 vol.3
Iron Man#1-35 vol.4
Iron Man#1-10 vol.5

Thor #474

Thor#126-502 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-85 vol.2
Thor#1-12 vol.3

Spectacular Spider-Man #290

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-27 vol.2

Ghost Rider #205

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2
GR#1-31 vol.3

Marvel Team Up #186

MTU#1-150 vol.1
MTU#1-11 vol.2
MTU#1-25 vol.3

Silver Surfer #178

SS#1-18 vol.1
SS#1-146 vol.2
SS#1-14 vol.3

She-Hulk #134

SH#1-25 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-12 vol.3
SH#1-37 vol.4

Moon Knight #124

SH#1-38 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-26 vol.3

Dr. Strange #96

DS#169-182 vol.1 (Strange Tales was renamed Dr. Strange after #168)
DS#1-81 vol.2

:yay:


I love this thread...and now I bow down to you

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Wow, lookit all them books that'd be hittin' 500 if Marvel hadn't mucked with the numbering. Gonna be awesome when a mainstream monthly title finally hits 1,000. The UK's got us beat out thanks to their weekly books.

[TheCorpulent1]

DC's gonna have that honor first over here, of course.

[kguillou]

Heh, unless Marvel keeps Amazing Spiderman 3x monthly . He'll probably be the first, but i doubt the 3x monthly's gonna last that much longer.

[Havok83]

Avengers #524

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3
Mighty Avengers #1-21

Wouldnt New Avengers have been included in the count since it was the series that was relaunched out of the conclusion of the original Avengers series?

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, unless Marvel keeps Amazing Spiderman 3x monthly . He'll probably be the first, but i doubt the 3x monthly's gonna last that much longer.
I don't think even at 3 times per month ASM could catch up to Detective Comics or Action Comics (can't remember which one's number is higher).

[Themanofbat]

I don't think even at 3 times per month ASM could catch up to Detective Comics or Action Comics (can't remember which one's number is higher).

I looked at the math at the begining of last year, and if Action Comics conitnues at 12 issues/year and ASM continues at 36 issues per year, it would currently take about 11 1/2 years for both books to be hitting #1000, and it would be roughly at the same time...

:wow: :wow: :wow:

However, I doubt that ASM could keep up that pace for so long, and DC would wisen up early on and double Action Comics for a few months every summer just to maintain that edge...

[Themanofbat]

I looked at the math at the begining of last year, and if Action Comics conitnues at 12 issues/year and ASM continues at 36 issues per year, it would currently take about 11 1/2 years for both books to be hitting #1000, and it would be roughly at the same time...

:wow: :wow: :wow:

However, I doubt that ASM could keep up that pace for so long, and DC would wisen up early on and double Action Comics for a few months every summer just to maintain that edge...

I just checked, and it would take Action Comics 10 1/2 years and ASM 11 1/2 years.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, that's good. It's only right that Action should hit #1,000 first.

[CantThinkOfAName]

Shouldn't it be right that Detective hits #1000 first, considering it started before?:o

[imdaly]

Nevermind

[hippie_hunter]

Wow, lookit all them books that'd be hittin' 500 if Marvel hadn't mucked with the numbering. Gonna be awesome when a mainstream monthly title finally hits 1,000. The UK's got us beat out thanks to their weekly books.

A few of Marvel books will be hitting milestone status this year. Alex Ross will be doing the covers for them while mentioning that the one for the Incredible Hulk #600 is completed. Daredevil is an obvious one since April's solicitation would be the 498th issue if it weren't first cancelled.

However, I really don't get Hulk's math here:

If we do it the way Marvel treated Thor by using the anthology title it was a part of (Journey into Mystery issues 1-125 while ignoring Journey into Mystery #504-521), then Hulk (using Tales to Astonish and ignoring the Incredible Hercules) would already have approached the 600th issue at Hulk #8.

Ignoring the Tales to Astonish anthology title that became the Incredible Hulk, then we're nowhere near Hulk #600 and would have had the 500th issue this month in Hulk #10. I see no Hulk #500.

And if we include the Incredible Hercules along with the anthology title we're still past #600.

The only way to reach #600 is by ignoring the first six issue Hulk series. Including all of Tales to Astonish. Ignore the Incredible Hercules. And count the current Hulk series which would put us at Hulk #597 in April 2009. That's incredibly stupid by ignoring the first series.

[Themanofbat]

I think it's just one of those things that Marvel missed the boat on...

But as you mentioned, by all rights, the next issue of the Hulk would be #500.

:yay:

[TheCorpulent1]

Shouldn't it be right that Detective hits #1000 first, considering it started before?:o
Maybe, but as long as it's a DC book that hits first, I'm cool.

[yenaled]

Shouldn't it be right that Detective hits #1000 first, considering it started before?:o

Action Comics just released issue #874
Detective Comics just releases issue #852

Action Comics #1 may have been released over a year after Detective Comics #1 but for just under a year between 1988/19889 it was released weekly.

[CantThinkOfAName]

i know this.

[hippie_hunter]

I think it's just one of those things that Marvel missed the boat on...

But as you mentioned, by all rights, the next issue of the Hulk would be #500.

:yay:

Anthology titles count IMO. They're the same book, just with a new title and a completely new direction.

[masteryoda]

Wouldnt New Avengers have been included in the count since it was the series that was relaunched out of the conclusion of the original Avengers series?

It should be.