Sports debate.

[Poeman]

LOL still going back to april

let me look at my standings. 6 GAMES BACk!
For shame For shame red sox

[the overtaker]

We were 8 and a half back but now we are only six could the yankees be in a.....slump! oh,yeah!

[Poeman]

lol the arrogance of a redsox fan. common they always lose, and will again.

[the overtaker]

Ok pal the yanks still have to come here....and get their collective butts handed to the....again. Mark my words we wil win the fall classic. END OF DISCUSSION.

[Poeman]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Ok pal the yanks still have to come here....and get their collective butts handed to the....again. Mark my words we wil win the fall classic. END OF DISCUSSION.

Okay :up:

so its a bet you say the red sox will win :rolleyes: I say yankees will win.:cool:

[the overtaker]

Hey what part of what i said did you miss. END OF DISCUSSION. It sounds pretty clear to me although you are a yankees fan that by itself show a complete lack of any higher brain functions.

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Poeman
Okay :up:

so its a bet you say the red sox will win :rolleyes: I say yankees will win.:cool:

And by the way YOU ARE ON.

[Poeman]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Hey what part of what i said did you miss. END OF DISCUSSION. It sounds pretty clear to me although you are a yankees fan that by itself show a complete lack of any higher brain functions.

your a idiot, redsox nation seems to carry that on a fan like YOU!

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by the overtaker
And by the way YOU ARE ON.

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by the overtaker


So it's a bet the loser quits the hype for good if you have the balls.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Poeman
your a idiot, redsox nation seems to carry that on a fan like YOU!
Lol, even reggiebar who knows WAY more about baseball and sports overall than you says Boston people tend to know a ton about baseball while you have the jackass New Yorkers who know nothing about baseball... you are not that far from the jackass New Yorkers.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Poeman
LOL still going back to april

let me look at my standings. 6 GAMES BACk!
For shame For shame red sox
A win in April is a win now... the Yankees need to worry about there pitching, they allowed tons of runs over the last 6 or so games... being swept by the Mets and losing a series against the TIGERS! The Yankees will not win the World Series because of the pitching IMO, you can have the best lineup in the world but when they don't have the pitching they will not win it all.

[thehippie]

well give the tigers some credit they have a very good hitting team and they have pudge to help out the pitchers. this is not the old ****ty tigers, this is actually quite a good team

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by thehippie
well give the tigers some credit they have a very good hitting team and they have pudge to help out the pitchers. this is not the old ****ty tigers, this is actually quite a good team
I. Rodriguez was out one of the games I believe... and the Tigers still won. If the Yankees had very good pitching then the Tigers wouldn't have won 2 out of 3 games IMO, maybe 1 game... remember, this is the Yankees and just look at there roster, they can beat any team at any time if there pitching is good.

[thehippie]

true but if the yankees need pitching you now george is going to find someway to pick a good pitcher up and yes i know there farm system sucks but he will find a way.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by thehippie
true but if the yankees need pitching you now george is going to find someway to pick a good pitcher up and yes i know there farm system sucks but he will find a way.
This year there isn't much out there for pitching... Kris Benson? Maybe, but he is NOT a big market pitcher... they have established this. Randy Johnson? Not likey, he has a no waive clause and Arizona has already said that they do not want to deal him unless it is a blow away offer which the Yankees cannot provide IMO. So there list is very short for starting pitchers.

[Pirateking]

Anybody interested in english football?

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Pirateking
Anybody interested in english football?
I would like to get into it more but I really don't know how to since I don't have any Soccer (Football) stations on my television here and I really don't understand how the league works. I do watch the World Cup and probably the upcoming Olympics too, that was interesting watching that at like 3am here when the last one was on.

[thehippie]

Originally posted by Pirateking
Anybody interested in english football?

oh hell yeah english football freaking rules man.

[Illchill]

I went to the Sox game Tuesday, 11-0 Sox over A's. Caught a ball thrown to me by Keith Foulke after the game. Caught it right over the Overtaker!!!!:):):):):D:D:D:D

[Soundwave]

Beware Red Sox fans! Here come the Rangers!!!!!

[Illchill]

A few months ago, I woulda laughed.Now i know winning this series is crucial in our playoff hunt.

[Soundwave]

We don't have to face Pedro or Schilling this weekend. That doesn't guarantee anything, but it does help a lot. Get ready to see the best infield in baseball. (yes Yankee fans, I said that!)

[Soundwave]

Hey Illchill, what's going on with the Ty Law situation up there. Is he gonna get traded or have he and Bellichick kissed and made up.

[Illchill]

The media says they have made up, but Bellichick aint gonna take no crap, and I am still skeptical. In Sox season, it'll be tough for even the Super Bowl champs to get a little off season recognition, not much has been spoken about it.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Beware Red Sox fans! Here come the Rangers!!!!!
Should be a good series, we knocked down the A's for you guys so you can be happy about that.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Hey Illchill, what's going on with the Ty Law situation up there. Is he gonna get traded or have he and Bellichick kissed and made up.
He is staying with the Patriots.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Lol, even reggiebar who knows WAY more about baseball and sports overall than you says Boston people tend to know a ton about baseball while you have the jackass New Yorkers who know nothing about baseball... you are not that far from the jackass New Yorkers.

"Real" Yankee fans "in" or "from" the New York Tri-State area know a lot about baseball. It is the Yankee fans from the rest of the country that set the bad example.

Yes, New England Sox fans know their stuff.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
"Real" Yankee fans "in" or "from" the New York Tri-State area know a lot about baseball. It is the Yankee fans from the rest of the country that set the bad example.

Yes, New England Sox fans know their stuff.
The callers that call in to sports talk radio shows are the real ones who set a bad example for both of our teams fans.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
The callers that call in to sports talk radio shows are the real ones who set a bad example for both of our teams fans.

I stopped listening to sports talk radio in the early 90s because of those idiots (I hear they are way worse now)

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
I stopped listening to sports talk radio in the early 90s because of those idiots (I hear they are way worse now)
Much worse, I listened to the Yankees and the Red Sox one and they pretty much are the same, just all nonsense.

[Illchill]

Just a question, but being a sports debate, in everyone's opinion, who is a better player? Damon or Beltran? And is Damon the best leadoff hitter in the game? I say Beltran, and I say no to Damon being best, though he is among the best.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Illchill
Just a question, but being a sports debate, in everyone's opinion, who is a better player? Damon or Beltran? And is Damon the best leadoff hitter in the game? I say Beltran, and I say no to Damon being best, though he is among the best.
Beltran is better. Leadoff wise it is Damon of course because of the speed.

[Illchill]

Sox fans can flame me if they want, but I still say trade Nomah to Arizona for Johnson if we could. Last contract year, turned down some contract offers already.C'mon, I lvoe the guy to, but lets please move him while we can get something for him without letting him walk away for nothing in return *cough* Mo Vaughn *cough*. And this we would be the World Series if we got Johnson, but if not, i think we can still pull it out keeping Nomar. But it'll be harder

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Illchill
Just a question, but being a sports debate, in everyone's opinion, who is a better player? Damon or Beltran? And is Damon the best leadoff hitter in the game? I say Beltran, and I say no to Damon being best, though he is among the best.


Damon, hands down.

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Illchill
Sox fans can flame me if they want, but I still say trade Nomah to Arizona for Johnson if we could. Last contract year, turned down some contract offers already.C'mon, I lvoe the guy to, but lets please move him while we can get something for him without letting him walk away for nothing in return *cough* Mo Vaughn *cough*. And this we would be the World Series if we got Johnson, but if not, i think we can still pull it out keeping Nomar. But it'll be harder

Am i the only sox fan in the world who really does not want johnson if it means losing nomar?

[Poeman]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Am i the only sox fan in the world who really does not want johnson if it means losing nomar?

Nomar is in no mood to come back to your team next year. it is obvious, and with his reactions sometimes, he knows he wants to move to the west. Anaheim or LA. To be more with his wife Mia Hamm. I would so do that trade if possible. BUT why would arizona do it, they arent stupid. They want young prospects, Nomar will be there for the end of the year, and will demad high salary which the D-backs are not going to offer right away.

jeez and some of the arrogance of you " KNOW IT all red sox idiots" always make me stay away from these debate threads. Every year its yankees or red sox and every freaking year Redsox fans say " oooh we will beat the yankees" . It will get you no where...

[Illchill]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Damon, hands down.

Why?

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Poeman
Nomar is in no mood to come back to your team next year. it is obvious, and with his reactions sometimes, he knows he wants to move to the west. Anaheim or LA. To be more with his wife Mia Hamm. I would so do that trade if possible. BUT why would arizona do it, they arent stupid. They want young prospects, Nomar will be there for the end of the year, and will demad high salary which the D-backs are not going to offer right away.

jeez and some of the arrogance of you " KNOW IT all red sox idiots" always make me stay away from these debate threads. Every year its yankees or red sox and every freaking year Redsox fans say " oooh we will beat the yankees" . It will get you no where...

Along with either Hanley Ramirez or Kevin Youkiliss, and maybe a minor league pitcher. Not just Nomar alone. I don't hold hopes for catching the Yanks, at least not until we get 5 games back, but I think we are 6, so it is possible, but catching them doesnt mean they wont take if we take our famous late season dives.

[Slipknot]

If any trade happens for Randy Johnson to the Red Sox then it would have to include Bronson Arroyo, a very young up and coming awesome pitcher and last nights game just made him better biat, but if there was any way not to give him up in the trade I would... if we couls ship Derek Lowe over with some prospects then that would be good as well.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Damon, hands down.
You think every Red Sox player is better than everyone else though, so your opinion doesn't count.

[Illchill]

Jason Giambi made the all star team over Konerko??!! Giambi is quite the badness this year.And he is in the homer derby:confused:

OVERATED!

[Supergirl]

My Rangers have a good portion of the infield :)

[Supergirl]

oh yeah and the Skankees suck

[Illchill]

So do the Yankees.

Including Jason Giambi.

OVERATED!

[Supergirl]

Originally posted by Illchill
So do the Yankees.

Including Jason Giambi.

OVERATED! he was overrated with the A's and is even more so with the Skanks... the only player I even somewhat like in NY is ARod but even hes startin to piss me off as a Skankee

[Illchill]

Originally posted by LanternLight
he was overrated with the A's and is even more so with the Skanks... the only player I even somewhat like in NY is ARod but even hes startin to piss me off as a Skankee

The only one i have the slightest respect for is Torre, and Jeter.

Jeter is possibly the most underrated yet most overrated player.

[Illchill]

Someone talk, must debate, falling....asleep.....

[Poeman]

Giambi is overrated... i think we payed him too much and he is injury prone. As to your comment about Jeter he is not overrated at all. In fact he is the one true Yankee that you want at the plate in a clutch situation.

[Slipknot]

I hear Mussina might not go tommorow because hes having shoulder problems, and Orlando Hernandez could start on Sunday... they are wearing thin when it comes to pitching and if Mussina goes down then you guys are screwed.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Poeman
Giambi is overrated... i think we payed him too much and he is injury prone. As to your comment about Jeter he is not overrated at all. In fact he is the one true Yankee that you want at the plate in a clutch situation.

What I mean by overated and underated is this, he is overated because he is starting in the all-star game, a crime.He is overated as being the 'best shortstop in baseball' as SOME call him, even though we got one right here in Boston, and Reyes and A-Rod, though they dont play short, are better than Jeter. IMO of course.
He is underated because he is gets no credit because cuz he is a Yankee.After I saw him make that catch, in a regular season game with the Sox not exactly threatening the Yankees lead in the Eastm and still go all out, I got respect for him a little. He is also a great leader, very underrated there. He reminds me fo Tom Brady kind of, not the best physical skills, thoguh still above average. But a top-notch leader, and has plenty of heart.





Even though Jeter tosses A-Rod's salad. (That is a shirt in Boston):D:D

[Poeman]

Originally posted by Slipknot
I hear Mussina might not go tommorow because hes having shoulder problems, and Orlando Hernandez could start on Sunday... they are wearing thin when it comes to pitching and if Mussina goes down then you guys are screwed.

that also means georgy is telling cashman to get on the phone with the other team GM's for arms!

RJ could be a Yank!, he also got into a fight with luis gonzalez yesterday in the dugout

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Poeman
that also means georgy is telling cashman to get on the phone with the other team GM's for arms!

RJ could be a Yank!, he also got into a fight with luis gonzalez yesterday in the dugout
You do know that the Arizona manager despises Steinbrenner and the Yankees organization right? It would take a total steal for the Diamondbacks to trade him IMO... but it will probably happen and if it does... DAMN them.

[Poeman]

yeah i know jerry collangelo hates george, but if Money is involved in the deal , how can you stop the trade,RJ has agreed to a trade to any of the NY teams. I dont know if you heard, but i also heard he does not want to go to Boston because he wants to be the #1 guy, not have to look at Schilling and pedro. in NY we have a bunch of 2's and Brown is a good #1 RJ is a capable # 1. We have to see in the upcoming days now

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Poeman
yeah i know jerry collangelo hates george, but if Money is involved in the deal , how can you stop the trade,RJ has agreed to a trade to any of the NY teams. I dont know if you heard, but i also heard he does not want to go to Boston because he wants to be the #1 guy, not have to look at Schilling and pedro. in NY we have a bunch of 2's and Brown is a good #1 RJ is a capable # 1. We have to see in the upcoming days now
Wtf are you talking about? Do you only watch NY radio shows or something? Randy Johnson has said he will go to either New York or Boston... this coming from ESPN. Randy Johnson is friends with Schilling and I very much doubt he has that high of a ego to say "wah wah I wan't to be the number one pitcher", come on, I haven't heard anything about him saying that. Why do you say only money involved in the deal? Prospects is what Arizona wants and New York cannot provide them really, any team including the Red Sox can provide money in the trade... but it comes down to having the prospects and how much money they have to spend on his contract once he is traded.

[Poeman]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Wtf are you talking about? Do you only watch NY radio shows or something? Randy Johnson has said he will go to either New York or Boston... this coming from ESPN. Randy Johnson is friends with Schilling and I very much doubt he has that high of a ego to say "wah wah I wan't to be the number one pitcher", come on, I haven't heard anything about him saying that. Why do you say only money involved in the deal? Prospects is what Arizona wants and New York cannot provide them really, any team including the Red Sox can provide money in the trade... but it comes down to having the prospects and how much money they have to spend on his contract once he is traded.

That is not what i just heard from Tom Mcdonald and an newspaper article i read. Dont say Boston can give money, if they did they would have had Arod since the beginnning. Prospects off course procspects are gonna be involved and the yankees have a couple they cane offer up. They did use halsey in a couple of starts

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Poeman
That is not what i just heard from Tom Mcdonald and an newspaper article i read. Dont say Boston can give money, if they did they would have had Arod since the beginnning. Prospects off course procspects are gonna be involved and the yankees have a couple they cane offer up. They did use halsey in a couple of starts
Figures, an "article", and this article was made in New York was it not? You do know there is a HUGE difference between Alex Rodriguez's money and the money Randy Johnson is making right? Alex was much more expensive. The Red Sox actually have a proven up and coming starting pitcher in Bronson Arroyo, he is much more desirable than any New York prospect, and plus the Red Sox do have better prospects other than Arroyo. The Yankees would have to make a outstanding offer to get Johnson IMO... but it very well could happen.

[Slipknot]

I will return tommorow, goodnight for now.

[Illchill]

Yea, Nomar, Arroyo, and Youk possibly.They already have Cintron, so no need for Hanley Ramirez.

[Pirateking]

I'm curently watching the British Grand Prix.

[Pirateking]

Jarno Trulli just survived one HELL of a crash!


He dropped it on a full sped corner, hit the tyre wall and destroyed his entire back-end. The car rolled. He walked away.

[Pirateking]

C'mon Jenson!

[spidertwit]

As if. We may as well just wait 'til Schumacher retires.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
Just a question, but being a sports debate, in everyone's opinion, who is a better player? Damon or Beltran? And is Damon the best leadoff hitter in the game? I say Beltran, and I say no to Damon being best, though he is among the best.

Beltran, and Damon isn't the best, but very good :)

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Beltran, and Damon isn't the best, but very good :)
No, Beltran is the best Center Fielder in the game.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Slipknot
No, Beltran is the best Center Fielder in the game.

What? I said "Beltran is better than Damon." PERIOD, then I went on to say "Damon isn't the best leadoff hitter but he is good." Never once did I say anyone was better than Beltran at Center Field....:rolleyes:

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
What? I said "Beltran is better than Damon." PERIOD, then I went on to say "Damon isn't the best leadoff hitter but he is good." Never once did I say anyone was better than Beltran at Center Field....:rolleyes:
Lol, sorry about that, when I saw "Beltran, and Damon isn't the best, but very good :)" I thought you were saying Beltran and Damon isn't the best outfielders meaning someone else is the best... I didn't notice the comma. Damon is a better lead off hitter because of the speed factor and just the ability to bunt better and get on base better, Beltran is a RBI hitter, he can hit in the 3, 4, or 5 hole and prduce outstanding numbers... no way any team would bat him lead off.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Lol, sorry about that, when I saw "Beltran, and Damon isn't the best, but very good :)" I thought you were saying Beltran and Damon isn't the best outfielders meaning someone else is the best... I didn't notice the comma. Damon is a better lead off hitter because of the speed factor and just the ability to bunt better and get on base better, Beltran is a RBI hitter, he can hit in the 3, 4, or 5 hole and prduce outstanding numbers... no way any team would bat him lead off.

I never said they would :confused:

Juan Pierre is the best leadoff hitter :)

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
I never said they would :confused:

Juan Pierre is the best leadoff hitter :)
Pierre sucked for a good portion of this year... so no he isn't, he has a little more speed than Damon, I will give him that but his 45 runs scored, 2 home runs, 27 rbi, and .295 battign average doesn't come that close to Damon's 69 runs, 9 home runs, 45 rbi, and .322 batting average... so no Pierre is not better by any means this year.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Pierre sucked for a good portion of this year... so no he isn't, he has a little more speed than Damon, I will give him that but his 45 runs scored, 2 home runs, 27 rbi, and .295 battign average doesn't come that close to Damon's 69 runs, 9 home runs, 45 rbi, and .322 batting average... so no Pierre is not better by any means this year.

Well half those stats aren't really important as a leadoff hitter. IMO a leadoff hitter should be able to A. Get on base, B. Get into scoring position, C. get out as little as possible. RBI's aren't important. Runs aren't really a good indicator. Boston has a better offense than the Marlins so runs aren't really based on either player's individual abilities. Juan Pierre is faster, strikes out less, steals more bases, etc. Damon has a higher batting average, but from season to season Pierre's average has been consistantly higher :)

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[Slipknot]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Well half those stats aren't really important as a leadoff hitter. IMO a leadoff hitter should be able to A. Get on base, B. Get into scoring position, C. get out as little as possible. RBI's aren't important. Runs aren't really a good indicator. Boston has a better offense than the Marlins so runs aren't really based on either player's individual abilities. Juan Pierre is faster, strikes out less, steals more bases, etc. Damon has a higher batting average, but from season to season Pierre's average has been consistantly higher :)
All those stats are important except maybe rbi. A. runs scored matters a ton because you need to GET ON BASE to score those runs. B. Get into scoring position... Damon obviously does that more than Pierre because he SCORES MORE RUNS! C. Get out as little as possible... Damon is hitting at a higher batting average than Pierre, so obviously he does that. Florida has had its up and downs in the year just like Boston had so runs do matter in this case, if we were talking a New York Yankees player and a Tampa bay player then I could see your arguement. Pierre sucked a good portion of they year hitting like .240, and over the years he hasn't hit for high averages. Damon is a better lead off player because he scores more, hits better than Pierre, more rbi's if there is players on base, has a higher batting average, and more... Pierre comes close to Damon but he just isn't there.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Slipknot
All those stats are important except maybe rbi. A. runs scored matters a ton because you need to GET ON BASE to score those runs. B. Get into scoring position... Damon obviously does that more than Pierre because he SCORES MORE RUNS! C. Get out as little as possible... Damon is hitting at a higher batting average than Pierre, so obviously he does that. Florida has had its up and downs in the year just like Boston had so runs do matter in this case, if we were talking a New York Yankees player and a Tampa bay player then I could see your arguement. Pierre sucked a good portion of they year hitting like .240, and over the years he hasn't hit for high averages. Damon is a better lead off player because he scores more, hits better than Pierre, more rbi's if there is players on base, has a higher batting average, and more... Pierre comes close to Damon but he just isn't there.

Ok wtf are you talking about. Pierre has hit over, or close to 300 ALL YEAR and over his career has a higher average than Damon.

Runs scored have nothing to do with a player's individual ability. Boston definitally has a better offense than Florida, so no matter what you say Damon should and will score more runs.

As far as "hits better", Pierre makes contact around 90% of the time he swings the bat and strikes out consistantly less(ALOT LESS) than Damon. He also averages more hits in a season. Damon has a higher batting average just this season. If we're going by just this season, than Jack Wilson could be argued as one of the best short stops in baseball :rolleyes:

edit: Pierre probably gets into scoring position more since he steals more bases. If you steal 2nd for the majority of your bases, that puts you into scoring position. Even if Pierre hit a triple everytime up, he wouldn't score any runs unless the players behind him got RBI's. The Marlins just ended some streak where they didn't score a run for 30 consecutive times with runners in scoring position, so obviously they aren't scoring many runs. :)

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Ok wtf are you talking about. Pierre has hit over, or close to 300 ALL YEAR and over his career has a higher average than Damon.
Pierre was hitting .229 on April 18th, Damon has a career average of .287 while Pierre has a career average of .305, Pierre has only been playing since 2000 while Damon has been playing for five years longer since 1995. Pierre played three years in Colorado, the best hitters ballpark in the major leagues while Damon has played in pitcher friendly ballparks such as Kansas City and Oakland. The fact that Pierre is in only his fifth year alone should tell you why he has a higher career batting average, that and the fact he spent three of those years in Coors Field. Damon is in his tenth year and still can run very well, while obviously a much younger Pierre can run a bit faster. Your points are very off Cheshire.
Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Runs scored have nothing to do with a player's individual ability. Boston definitally has a better offense than Florida, so no matter what you say Damon should and will score more runs.
Runs scored has TONS of things to do with a player's individual ability, he has to actually get ON BASE to score the runs, you don't seem to get that. Boston played barely .500 baseball in the month of June and ihas not been that good all year... Florida about the same but in a weaker division.
Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
As far as "hits better", Pierre makes contact around 90% of the time he swings the bat and strikes out consistantly less(ALOT LESS) than Damon. He also averages more hits in a season. Damon has a higher batting average just this season. If we're going by just this season, than Jack Wilson could be argued as one of the best short stops in baseball :rolleyes:
Damon over his TEN year career has a .351 on base percentage while Pierre has a carreer .357 on base percentage in his short FIVE year career (three of those years being in Colorado), your case that Pierre is better in his career compared to Damon's career runs more and more thin.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Pierre was hitting .229 on April 18th, Damon has a career average of .287 while Pierre has a career average of .305, Pierre has only been playing since 2000 while Damon has been playing for five years longer since 1995. Pierre played three years in Colorado, the best hitters ballpark in the major leagues while Damon has played in pitcher friendly ballparks such as Kansas City and Oakland. The fact that Pierre is in only his fifth year alone should tell you why he has a higher career batting average, that and the fact he spent three of those years in Coors Field. Damon is in his tenth year and still can run very well, while obviously a much younger Pierre can run a bit faster. Your points are very off Cheshire.

Aprile 18th? How is that an indication of anything? He hit like 340 at one point but that doesn't mean he hit a good portion of the year at 340, don't be retarded. Pierre is probably the 3rd or 4th fastest player in baseball and has shown that with high steal numbers and bunt hits.

Runs scored has TONS of things to do with a player's individual ability, he has to actually get ON BASE to score the runs, you don't seem to get that. Boston played barely .500 baseball in the month of June and ihas not been that good all year... Florida about the same but in a weaker division.

First off, Boston has a .565 record and only 2 teams in that division have a record above 500. Four teams in Florida's division have a record above 500 and they have a 506 record. Runs have literally nothing to do with a single player. You can't score a run unless the players behind you hit. With Manny and Ortiz hitting behind Damon, he's going to score more runs.

[Poeman]

wow two guys debating over who is the best leadoff hitter. Both of their own team favorite guys. damon is better then Pierre this year,. wtf Pierre is not even close to Ichiro

To me the number one man is still Ichiro.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Poeman
wow two guys debating over who is the best leadoff hitter. Both of their own team favorite guys. damon is better then Pierre this year,. wtf Pierre is not even close to Ichiro

To me the number one man is still Ichiro.

I never said Pierre was the best...I just said he was better than Damon, Ichiro is the fastest, the best fielder, and the best hitter and the best leadoff man. He doesn't always hit leadoff though...

[Poeman]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
I never said Pierre was the best...I just said he was better than Damon, Ichiro is the fastest, the best fielder, and the best hitter and the best leadoff man. He doesn't always hit leadoff though...

okay, Ichiro is the best what he does. I wouldnt mind him in my team. :cool:

[Illchill]

Ok, tell me this. Overtaker and I AGAIN arguing, and it is about home field advantage. He seems to think home field advantage in baseball is being able to the game earlier, because of the half inning thing.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Pease elaborate to he who knows all:rolleyes:

[TheCheshireCat]

I don't know that the fans play a huge difference. I imagine the players can block out the noise a bit more than football where they have to hear the snap count the such. The main advantage is knowing how to play the field and hitting at the bottom of the inning.

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Slipknot
You think every Red Sox player is better than everyone else though, so your opinion doesn't count.

Slip thats not true, and its a little unfair, its just that in this particular case i personally feel that johnny damon is a better cfielder than carlos beltran, I could be wrong, but then again I could be right, but don't belittle my opinion if you don't agree with it that's just ignorant.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Slip thats not true, and its a little unfair, its just that in this particular case i personally feel that johnny damon is a better cfielder than carlos beltran, I could be wrong, but then again I could be right, but don't belittle my opinion if you don't agree with it that's just ignorant.

And in my opinion Brian Jordan is a better outfielder than Vladimar Guerrero. I could be wrong, but then again I could be right.

[Poeman]

Originally posted by Illchill
And in my opinion Brian Jordan is a better outfielder than Vladimar Guerrero. I could be wrong, but then again I could be right.

i would choose vlad any time over BJ. Even if Vlad gets Back spasms. he is a machine in the AL

[Illchill]

I...I was kidding.
You know that right.

[Poeman]

Originally posted by Illchill
I...I was kidding.
You know that right.

I... I knew that :/

[Illchill]

OK,good.

BTW, anyone watching Home Run Derby. Always good entertainment.

[Illchill]

Wow. Berkman is beast at the home crowd.

[Poeman]

did he win? the derby

[Brodie Bruce]

What's that? Oh? THe BRewers are only kinda sucking? Yeah, **** 1982! We don't need you! Prince Fielder will take us all the way in '06!

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Poeman
did he win? the derby

No, but he hit 7 in first round, and went on a tear in the 2nd round, hitting 10, a few outta the park literally.We are still in the second round.

[Illchill]

Tejada has 10 and only has 4 outs, look out record.

[Illchill]

Miguel Tejada has set a new Home Run Derby record for most homers in a round with 15. Beating Puljos and Giambi's previous record of 14.

[Brodie Bruce]

is the running commentary needed?

[X-Chick]

What are you talking about? :confused:

[Illchill]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
is the running commentary needed?

Just letting the people who aren't/can't watch it know.

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Illchill
Just letting the people who aren't/can't watch it know. I think Ted Williams is gonna take it.

[X-Chick]

F**kers, I asked you a question :mad:

[Brodie Bruce]

Holy Crap! X-Chick is channeling Fuzz!

[Illchill]

Originally posted by X-Chick03
F**kers, I asked you a question :mad:

:eek:

[Batman15]

Originally posted by X-Chick03
F**kers, I asked you a question :mad:

home run derby:o

[X-Chick]

No, I could never be as cool as Fuzz. :(

[X-Chick]

You people act like I've never said **** before. I say it a lot, actually. :o

And thank you, Bat15. :)

[Batman15]

Originally posted by X-Chick03
And thank you, Bat15. :)

:up:


and anyone, what happened to thome?? i just turned it on now, if forgot all about it:confused:

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by X-Chick03
You people act like I've never said **** before. I say it a lot, actually. :o

And thank you, Bat15. :) Do it again. But pull my hair this time.

[X-Chick]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
Do it again. But pull my hair this time.

F**k you...:confused:

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by X-Chick03
F**k you...:confused: :( Fuzz used to do it with confidence:(

[X-Chick]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
:( Fuzz used to do it with confidence:(

I am not Fuzz :o

[Illchill]

Get ready for a new chapter in the Sox/Yanks rivalry (yes it is a rivalry, and the greatest pro sports one at that), Randy Johnson, the Big Unit, has said he WILL accept a trade to a team who has a definate shto at making the playoffs. It has been speculated that Anahaim, Boston, and New York are the ones he wants the most, then he also said that he is torn between New Englad and Manhattan clam chowder, take that as you may.

[TheCheshireCat]

It's not a rivalry. If Big Unit goes to the Yankees I'll lose any and all respect for him.

[Brodie Bruce]

Brewers will pwn joo.!

[TheCheshireCat]

If by j00 you mean "noone" then I agree :up:

[Brodie Bruce]

They own the pirates:(

[Illchill]

Anyone else wathin the game tonight.

[Poeman]

DUDES Roger clemens is GETTING SMOKED. 6 RUNS!!!!!!!!!!

[Illchill]

Manny rules.

The newest Randy trade rumor, at least here in New England.

Nomah goes to Cubs, prospects (anyone know any good Cubs prospects) go to Arizona, and Randy Johnson to Boston.

[Poeman]

Intresting trade. Cubs can use Nomar.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Long time no post, eh? Being busy sucks.

I heard the same Nomar-to-Cubs rumor a few weeks ago, but back then it was Nomar for Matt Clement, straight up. As for prospects, the Cubs are absolutely stocked with pitching prospects. Angel Guzman, Bobby Brownlie, Andy Sisco, Justin Jones... they're pretty loaded in outfield prospects too. Guys like Felix Pie(a 20 year old, Carlos Beltran-esque player), Nic Jackson, David Kelton, Jason Dubois... the list goes on. I don't really see the trade happening, because the Cubs don't seem too willing to take on a future Free Agent making that much money. If they find the need to add a rental at Short Stop, expect it to be someone like Montreal's Orlando Cabrera.

Best lead-off hitter in the game? Maybe not right this moment, but he's damn close; Carl Crawford. Sick defensive range, sick speed, showing he can make contact and he's got a small bit of power too. Great player. I've also gotten to see Jimmy Rollins up close some this year, and he's been impressing me. Drastically cutting down on his strike outs, playing small ball, and he's about as dependant on the base-pads as they come. Reminds me a lot of a young Kenny Lofton.

On a final note, I'm going absolutely insane waiting for Training Camps... if I wasn't working every god damn day, I would've put myself in a coma by now. Football can't come soon enough.

ok i'm gonna go disappear for 3 months again. :(

[reggiebar]

I hear ya Bro....NFL football can't get here soon enough!

I really want my boy Donovan to get some redemption this year with the aide of T.O.!!!! (BTW Slipknot, no need for the "You love McNabb because he is Syracuse" as, "Yes, that is the reason that I love McNabb and apopted the Eagles as my NFC team when they drafted him, becuase he is from my alma mata")

Oh, speaking of the Cuse and former stars, if K-Mart does end up a Denver Nuggett (as it looks), my main man Melo and Co. are going to finish at least 5th in the Western Conference next year - guaranteed!

[Brodie Bruce]

Boo! Eagles o 6-10 after Duce Staley kills McNabb with his tractor.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
I really want my boy Donovan to get some redemption this year with the aide of T.O.!!!! (BTW Slipknot, no need for the "You love McNabb because he is Syracuse" as, "Yes, that is the reason that I love McNabb and apopted the Eagles as my NFC team when they drafted him, becuase he is from my alma mata")

Oh, speaking of the Cuse and former stars, if K-Mart does end up a Denver Nuggett (as it looks), my main man Melo and Co. are going to finish at least 5th in the Western Conference next year - guaranteed!
Lol, I like McNabb and the Eagles. But I do not like Kenyon Martin, he is a wife beater just like Kidd, I hate those bastards. Martin is one of the biggest asses in the NBA as a person and has a huge ego, Martin sucks.

[reggiebar]

I have never heard one word about Kenyon Martin having domestic issues regarding spousal abuse (you need to cite an article as I can't find one thing about K-Mart beating his wife - check your self on this one).

On the court, K-Mart would be huge for Denver as he would give them exactly what they lacked last year - a big time defensive presense and an aggressive rebounder who can also run the floor.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Lol, I like McNabb and the Eagles. But I do not like Kenyon Martin, he is a wife beater just like Kidd, I hate those bastards. Martin is one of the biggest asses in the NBA as a person and has a huge ego, Martin sucks.

Seriously, where does this K-Mart stuff come from? I have never read a bad thing about him and his wife.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
I have never heard one word about Kenyon Martin having domestic issues regarding spousal abuse (you need to cite an article as I can't find one thing about K-Mart beating his wife - check your self on this one).
Someone on this board's (Cannot remember name's) cousin was Kenyon Martin's wife at one time, he hit her and he had this huge thread about him and how he beat her... I believe they are divorced now, not sure though. I will indeed try to find the thread for you but the search engine really sucks badly so I might not.
Originally posted by reggiebar
On the court, K-Mart would be huge for Denver as he would give them exactly what they lacked last year - a big time defensive presense and an aggressive rebounder who can also run the floor.
Yeah, he would give them a lot of help.

[reggiebar]

So says someone on this board...the cat may be about one hair from legally insane on the court, but he is actually a pretty decent fellow off the court.

BTW, LA Lakers made a huge mistake by trading Shaq today.

[Assassin32]

Where'd they trade him?

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Assassin32
Where'd they trade him?
Shaq??

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
So says someone on this board...the cat may be about one hair from legally insane on the court, but he is actually a pretty decent fellow off the court.

BTW, LA Lakers made a huge mistake by trading Shaq today.
I believed the poster, he seemes upset about it... this was back in like Febuary, I remember the post but don't know how to find it or anything, the search engine sucks. Lakers are screwed for a long time, Devan George is out four months too.

[Assassin32]

Originally posted by NOFX
Shaq??

Yeah.....

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Assassin32
Where'd they trade him?
Do you not watch television? Miami of course.

[Poeman]

theres a rumour in NY, about Antoine walker coming here. Thoughts!.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Poeman
theres a rumour in NY, about Antoine walker coming here. Thoughts!.
He won't win the Knicks a championship, thats for sure... Knicks need a lot more than Antoine Walker.

[Poeman]

No thats not the point. I would accept him here because his contract runs out after next year.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Poeman
No thats not the point. I would accept him here because his contract runs out after next year.
If his contract expires after next year then why would you want him? It would have to be a trade right? The Knicks would then end up giving up somebody for Walker who could walk after next year, not really smart.

[Poeman]

Walker will be trade bait for us , and we can trade him next year or let him go. Dude we are in Salary cap HELLLL

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Poeman
Walker will be trade bait for us , and we can trade him next year or let him go. Dude we are in Salary cap HELLLL
Walker is just going to add to that hell, he has a high paying contract... not many want him.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Walker is just going to add to that hell, he has a high paying contract... not many want him.
hmmmm A Player with a high contract that nobody wants, Sounds Like a Knick to Me!!!:D

[Assassin32]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Do you not watch television? Miami of course.

I haven't watched ESPN today.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Assassin32
I haven't watched ESPN today.
It has been on all week with him going to Miami.

[TheCheshireCat]

How did you not know we got Shaq? He's going to eat the opposing teams :o

[NOFX]

Miami going to get one angry african american!!!:o

[reggiebar]

According to espn.com, Menyon martin will be going to the Denver Nuggets, today (Thursday) for three future first round picks (Denver has a bunch from other teams over the next 2 years).

K-MART TO GET 7 YEARS $90 MILLION
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

After it looked as though talks between the teams had been extinguished, the Denver Nuggets are on the verge of completing a sign-and-trade with the New Jersey Nets for All-Star forward Kenyon Martin, league sources told ESPN.com.


The Nuggets, according to sources, have agreed to send at least three future first-round picks to the Nets, who would sign Martin to a seven-year deal worth just over $90 million and then ship him to Denver.


The trade, sources said, is likely to be completed Thursday. It's believed that no other players are involved in the trade.


Denver has been pursuing a sign-and-trade with New Jersey for days in hopes that it could avoid signing Martin, a restricted free agent, to an offer sheet. But the talks stalled, with the Nets hoping to receive a power forward back from the Nuggets -- Nene, the burly Brazilian -- and the Nuggets hoping New Jersey would settle for a package featuring Nikoloz Tskitishvili and multiple draft picks.


Going the sign-and-trade route enables Denver to pay Martin for seven seasons instead of six, since only the Nets can sign Martin to a seven-year contract.


More importantly to the Nuggets, the sign-and-trade enables them to avoid tying up their free-agent funds for 15 days while New Jersey decided whether or not to match a Martin offer sheet. ESPN's David Aldridge reported Tuesday that the Nuggets, resigned to the fact that a deal seemed dead, were prepared to include a signing bonus worth at least $15 million in the maximum offer sheet they could extend to Martin -- a six-year package worth just over $82 million. Martin also received a similar offer sheet from the Atlanta Hawks.


If the Nuggets can complete the revived deal Thursday, they will have one of the deepest front lines in the league, with Martin slotting in at power forward between small forward Carmelo Anthony and center Marcus Camby. Or the Nuggets could elect to start Nene at center and bring Camby off the bench.


The trade would break up New Jersey's highly successful trio of Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson and Martin, but the Nets -- with Jefferson headed soon for his own contract extension -- apparently prefer a package of good draft picks to the prospect of committing lucrative long-term deals to all three stars.



Obviosuly, I LOVE IT!!! A front court of Carmelo Anthony at Small Forward, Kenyon Martin at the Power Forward and Marcus Camby and Nene at Center is sick (one of the top 3 front courts in the Western Confernce IMHO). With Andre Miller at the Point and Voshon Lenard at the shooting guard position, to complement the front court, this will be a very, very good team next year.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Obviosuly, I LOVE IT!!! A front court of Carmelo Anthony at Small Forward, Kenyon Martin at the Power Forward and Marcus Camby and Nene at Center is sick (one of the top 3 front courts in the Western Confernce IMHO). With Andre Miller at the Point and Voshon Lenard at the shooting guard position, to complement the front court, this will be a very, very good team next year.
The only thing I didn't like was that the Denver Nuggets actually resigned Camby, I think they could have spent the money better because Camby is wicked injury prone.

[RedStrikeForce]

I can't believe Miami traded 3 of their key players for Shaq. No offence to Shaq or anything he's a great player probably the most dominant in the league right now but I don't think Miami will be as good as last year. Last year they had a really strong starting lineup with guys like Caron Butler, Wade, Odom, Eddie Jones who can all score like 17 PPG. But this year they got rid of 3 of them and added a guy who's a ball hog and will probably get injured. IMo bad move. :(

[Brodie Bruce]

Wade and shaq will be nice to watch.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by RedStrikeForce
I can't believe Miami traded 3 of their key players for Shaq. No offence to Shaq or anything he's a great player probably the most dominant in the league right now but I don't think Miami will be as good as last year. Last year they had a really strong starting lineup with guys like Caron Butler, Wade, Odom, Eddie Jones who can all score like 17 PPG. But this year they got rid of 3 of them and added a guy who's a ball hog and will probably get injured. IMo bad move. :(

Do you even watch the NBA? Honestly, this is some of the single worst sports analysis I have read yet in this topic.

[NOFX]

Originally posted by RedStrikeForce
I can't believe Miami traded 3 of their key players for Shaq. No offence to Shaq or anything he's a great player probably the most dominant in the league right now but I don't think Miami will be as good as last year. Last year they had a really strong starting lineup with guys like Caron Butler, Wade, Odom, Eddie Jones who can all score like 17 PPG. But this year they got rid of 3 of them and added a guy who's a ball hog and will probably get injured. IMo bad move. :(
Bad move for the heat?? wtf!!! This is a bad move for the Lakers!!! Wow we get Odom, Butler, and Grant(Sacrasim):mad: They'll be title contenders next year!!!:rolleyes: At worse the Heat will the 3rd in the eastern conference!!!:) Shaq can only Help Wade get better:) Your saying shaq is the selfish player:confused: I think you got him confused with KObe!!!

[reggiebar]

Okay, so it is official, Kobe stays a Laker (Did anyone really think he would go to the Clip-joint and the single worst owner in the history of the NBA?)

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
The only thing I didn't like was that the Denver Nuggets actually resigned Camby, I think they could have spent the money better because Camby is wicked injury prone.

Yeah, I always worry about his injuries, but he will split the minutes at Center with Nene and hoepfully stay healthy all year (when he is healthy Camby is HUGE for Denver) Plus, there really isn't that much size in Free Agency this year and they supposedily didn't have to break the bank on him.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Okay, so it is official, Kobe stays a Laker (Did anyone really think he would go to the Clip-joint and the single worst owner in the history of the NBA?)
The Clippers would have had a better team though, with Elton brand he would have been awesome... just the owner sucks.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Yeah, I always worry about his injuries, but he will split the minutes at Center with Nene and hoepfully stay healthy all year (when he is healthy Camby is HUGE for Denver) Plus, there really isn't that much size in Free Agency this year and they supposedily didn't have to break the bank on him.
I heard Camby signed sort of a big contract, I was suprised... I wouldn't want the guy myself because he tends to always get injured somehow.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
... just the owner sucks.

that is my point, Donald Sterling doesn't put his money back in the team to ever supoort a winner, so even if Kobe had a better year next year, Sterling would simply let players walk as he always has throughout the years and Kobe's talent would be wasted in the Clip-joint. The Cilppers have a league low payroll every year and Sterling is widely regarded as not only the tighest owner in the NBA, but a man is simply is not committed to winning.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
I heard Camby signed sort of a big contract, I was suprised... I wouldn't want the guy myself because he tends to always get injured somehow.

Certainly not as high as the Jazz signing Mehmet Okur (3.7 ppg, 2.8 rpg) to a 6 year $50 million contract (INSANE)

BTW, Camby played in a career high 72 games last year and Camby averaged 8.6 points, 10.1 rebounds and 2.6 blocks last year, so perhaps he has finally conditioned himself to take care of the injuires. Plus, he really is the core of the team and as Melo stated ""Everybody knows Marcus is the core of our team. If Marcus is down, we're all down. When Marcus is healthy, we play our best basketball. So for us to get him back, it was great."

Signing Camby was essential to the Nuggets.

I will say it right now, Denver finishes no worst than 4th in the West and Melo averages at least 23 points per game.

[Soundwave]

Well, it looks like our owner is drafting for fantasy basketball again. Cuban is trying to broker a three-way trade to bring Vince Carter to Dallas. Yeah, that's just what we need! Another wing player. :rolleyes:

I think it could be very difficult for my Mavs to make the playoffs next year. You got Minnesota, Sna Antonio and Sacramento at the top. Houston will be better with McGrady playing with Yao. Lakers will be okay but not the favorites anymore. Utah has gotten better with Boozer and Okur. Memphis should be strong again. Phoenix will be improved by getting Steve nash to go with Stoudemire, Marion, and Joe Johnson. And Denver just got Kenyon Martin. I think New Orleans is coming to the West this year also.(not 100%sure about this, it could be the year after but i know they will be in the West eventually). My Mavs will definitely have their hands full. I hope that they can swing another deal to get some kind of help inside(Dampier or Kurt Thomas maybe?)

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Well, it looks like our owner is drafting for fantasy basketball again. Cuban is trying to broker a three-way trade to bring Vince Carter to Dallas. Yeah, that's just what we need! Another wing player. :rolleyes:

I think it could be very difficult for my Mavs to make the playoffs next year. You got Minnesota, Sna Antonio and Sacramento at the top. Houston will be better with McGrady playing with Yao. Lakers will be okay but not the favorites anymore. Utah has gotten better with Boozer and Okur. Memphis should be strong again. Phoenix will be improved by getting Steve nash to go with Stoudemire, Marion, and Joe Johnson. And Denver just got Kenyon Martin. I think New Orleans is coming to the West this year also.(not 100%sure about this, it could be the year after but i know they will be in the West eventually). My Mavs will definitely have their hands full. I hope that they can swing another deal to get some kind of help inside(Dampier or Kurt Thomas maybe?)

Simply, Cuban was an idiot for not paying Nash and not putting Dirk on the block for Shaq. Have fun winning 50+ games and getting bounced from the playoffs again.

[NOFX]

On a another note Shephen Jackson singed with the Hawks and was traded to the Pacers for AL Harrington:)

[NOFX]

Derek Fisher just signed a 6 year deal with the Warriors:(

[Poeman]

damn. but fisher knew it was time for money now as he has won rings.

ANY NEWS ON THE KNICKS

[Dark Vigilante]

98 *****in pages. wow

[Dark Vigilante]

holy god. in 24 hours. omg that is insane

[NOFX]

Kobe news conference is on right now:)

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Dark Vigilante
holy god. in 24 hours. omg that is insane

24 hours? It started before last year's All-Star Game. I am proud of my 98 pages:D

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by NOFX
Derek Fisher just signed a 6 year deal with the Warriors:(

He should have signed with the Miami Heat as they need a PG and what better place than to be with Shaq again

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Poeman
damn. but fisher knew it was time for money now as he has won rings.

ANY NEWS ON THE KNICKS

Unfortunately, they can't do anythign because of their cap woes....the day they signed Allen Houston to that insane contract was the start of the downfall of the Knicks...boy do I miss Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, John Starks and Co. (shoot I miss Hubert Davis)

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Did you hear about what Randy Johnson said when asked if he would like a trade to the New York Yankees? Lol, he siad the clam chowder is better in Boston... I laughed so hard when I saw that, he pretty much said screw New York and said trade me to Boston.

How do you like this chowdah'?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1840380

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Obviously, that ERA was when his family was still in Cuba...

wait and see...wait and see....

BTW, Contreras is a second half pitcher anyhow, so I wouldn't get too excited about the nonsense that you spout out on a daily basis.
FYI (Slipknot), Contreras had the best outing of his major league career last night...



DETROIT (AP) -- Jose Contreras went to the mound with his head up, chest out and shoulders back.

Then he was as dominant as he looked.

Contreras pitched into the ninth inning for the first time in his career and Alex Rodriguez hit two of the New York Yankees' five home runs in a 5-1 victory over the Detroit Tigers on Thursday night.

"I like to watch body language, and he walked to the mound with a good strut," Yankees manager Joe Torre said.



As I said, "wait and see...wait and see..."

[Illchill]

The guy is so inconsistent, didn't he just bomb the outing before last night?

[Illchill]

Originally posted by reggiebar
How do you like this chowdah'?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1840380

Reggie, you need people to trade!!!!!!!!!! You think the Dbacks are gonna take Gimabi or Bernie WIlliams or Miguel Cairo. If they dont get a crap load of good prospects, which you CAN'T supply, I dont see it happenin.And if they grab the Unit, they cant trade much cash over there for him, because they will be at the 200 million mark I think. The Yankees DO buy players, they don't make the trades for the good ones they get, they buy them. And they cant buy Johnson, they need a trade.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Illchill
Reggie, you need people to trade!!!!!!!!!! You think the Dbacks are gonna take Gimabi or Bernie WIlliams or Miguel Cairo. If they dont get a crap load of good prospects, which you CAN'T supply, I dont see it happenin.And if they grab the Unit, they cant trade much cash over there for him, because they will be at the 200 million mark I think. The Yankees DO buy players, they don't make the trades for the good ones they get, they buy them. And they cant buy Johnson, they need a trade.

One, I posted the article as a response to Slipknot claiming he wouldn't go to the Yankees as the Yankees are one of his only two choices.

Two, have you forgettn that this is the Yankees (if anyone can get it done, it is Cashman)

Three, you think George cares one thing about going over the $200 million mark? The man is committed to winning more than anything else.

So, if he doesn't go to New York, he won't go anywhere. He certainly isn't going to Boston for your chow'dah.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Illchill
The guy is so inconsistent, didn't he just bomb the outing before last night?

It was one bad outing against the Mets (he got a no decesion BTW).

If you actually looked at how he has performed this year, you will see that he has actually been quite consistent. Since losing to the BoSox on April 23rd, Contreras' lone setback was June 20th against the Dodgers with the no-decesion against the Mets on July 3rd. The cat was 0-2 with a 10.64 ERA after the Boston game and has since gone 7-1 and lowered his ERA to 5.17 (he cut it in half after the bad start to the season. You call that inconsistent? Man, you BoSox fans need to get your facts straight before you attempt to come at a cat with my knowledge as you were like Slipknot with your rushed post without getting the facts straight.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
How do you like this chowdah'?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1840380
As of right now I am totally sick of this Randy Johnson stuff, first of all you said you did NOT want him so shut your damn mouth... Randy changes his opinion on things like nothing, but im not sure if I even believe any of it because it just seems like bull**** half of the time. At this point I kind of just want him to go to Anaheim or the Cardinals or something... if he comes to Boston then great but it just is getting kind of stupid with all these rumors.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
FYI (Slipknot), Contreras had the best outing of his major league career last night...



DETROIT (AP) -- Jose Contreras went to the mound with his head up, chest out and shoulders back.

Then he was as dominant as he looked.

Contreras pitched into the ninth inning for the first time in his career and Alex Rodriguez hit two of the New York Yankees' five home runs in a 5-1 victory over the Detroit Tigers on Thursday night.

"I like to watch body language, and he walked to the mound with a good strut," Yankees manager Joe Torre said.



As I said, "wait and see...wait and see..."
It is the Detroit Tigers! Try it against a good team for once.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
One, I posted the article as a response to Slipknot claiming he wouldn't go to the Yankees as the Yankees are one of his only two choices.

So, if he doesn't go to New York, he won't go anywhere. He certainly isn't going to Boston for your chow'dah.
Randy Johnson's opinion changes as fast as Kenny lofton changes teams so you really cannot believe anything his "agent" or what he supposedly said.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
As of right now I am totally sick of this Randy Johnson stuff, first of all you said you did NOT want him so shut your damn mouth... Randy changes his opinion on things like nothing, but im not sure if I even believe any of it because it just seems like bull**** half of the time. At this point I kind of just want him to go to Anaheim or the Cardinals or something... if he comes to Boston then great but it just is getting kind of stupid with all these rumors.

Did I say I wanted him in my post?

No, all I said was "How do you like this chowdah'?" in response to YOU, yes YOU, posting the following "Did you hear about what Randy Johnson said when asked if he would like a trade to the New York Yankees? Lol, he siad the clam chowder is better in Boston... I laughed so hard when I saw that, he pretty much said screw New York and said trade me to Boston."

Get over the fact that you have been burned and I got to use a very Bostonesque quote derived from Good Will Hunting - so, again, how do you like that chowdah?

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
It is the Detroit Tigers! Try it against a good team for once.

Detroit started the game with a major league best .283 batting average - how many times do you want to be owned today?

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
It was one bad outing against the Mets (he got a no decesion BTW).

If you actually looked at how he has performed this year, you will see that he has actually been quite consistent. Since losing to the BoSox on April 23rd, Contreras' lone setback was June 20th against the Dodgers with the no-decesion against the Mets on July 3rd. The cat was 0-2 with a 10.64 ERA after the Boston game and has since gone 7-1 and lowered his ERA to 5.17 (he cut it in half after the bad start to the season. You call that inconsistent? Man, you BoSox fans need to get your facts straight before you attempt to come at a cat with my knowledge as you were like Slipknot with your rushed post without getting the facts straight.
Alright reggiebar, let us get this straight here... your bragging about how Contreras is doing are you not? Well if you see the teams he has been playing against then you will see it is a joke. Since May 27th Contreras has played against the following teams... Baltimore, Baltimore, Colorado, Arizona, Los Angeles, New York Mets, New York Mets, Tampa Bay, and now Detroit... ONLY two of those teams with a ABOVE .500 record. Against the two teams with an above .500 record Contreras played Los Angeles on June 20th where he gave up four earned runs in six innings while losing the game. Then he would play two games against the dismal Mets who are only two games above .500, Contreras won the first game but then came the second game in Shea where he went five innings giving up seven earned runs. If you want to go back to May 4th when he played the Oakland A's when he went two innings giving up seven runs, six of those earned.

reggiebar, if you go look at the teams Contreras played from April 9th to May 22nd then you see him going against ALL above .500 teams including Texas, Chicago White Sox, Boston, Oakland and then from May 27th to July 15th play all below .500 teams except for two and I don't even know if you can consider the Mets an actual above .500 team because of there horrible division.

So in all the point I am making is Contreras played the sucky teams the second half and the wicked good teams the first half.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Detroit started the game with a major league best .283 batting average - how many times do you want to be owned today?
Look above pal, I just owned you son.

How do you like them apples?

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Look above pal, I just owned you son.

How do you like them apples?

No you didn't as it was actually a question of consistency...all you did was prove that the cat has been consistent (perhaps great against bad teams and poor against good teams, but consitent none-the-less). Boy, you need to read. Plus, it is about how he will pitch since his family has been in the US from Cuba?

Keep trying little boy and I will keep taking you to school.

Oh, just to have a little fun....
NY Yankees 56-31
Boston 48-39 (8 games back from the Yanks for first in the AL East)

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
No you didn't as it was actually a question of consistency...all you did was prove that the cat has been consistent (perhaps great against bad teams and poor against good teams, but consitent none-the-less). Boy, you need to read. Plus, it is about how he will pitch since his family has been in the US from Cuba?

Keep trying little boy and I will keep taking you to school.

Oh, just to have a little fun....
NY Yankees 56-31
Boston 48-39 (8 games back from the Yanks for first in the AL East)
Lol, you are so bad you cannot even respond to my actual post... hahaha damn fool.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Illchill
The guy is so inconsistent, didn't he just bomb the outing before last night?

FYI Slipknot, this was the post that I responded to (get it? Consistent!)

As W.C. Fields said, "Beat it kid. You bother me."

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Lol, you are so bad you cannot even respond to my actual post... hahaha damn fool.

No reason to when your post has no revelance on what I was discussing with Illchill who I originally posted my comments to, NOT YOU.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
FYI Slipknot, this was the post that I responded to (get it? Consistent!)

As W.C. Fields said, "Beat it kid. You bother me."
Giving up seven runs against the Mets on July 3rd and four to LA on June 20th isn't really being consistent just to let you know. if I bother you then don't call me out tryng to get in a arguement with me... you seem to be an extra prick today reggiebar.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Giving up seven runs against the Mets on July 3rd and four to LA on June 20th isn't really being consistent just to let you know. if I bother you then don't call me out tryng to get in a arguement with me... you seem to be an extra prick today reggiebar.

Again....C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T

"Since losing to the BoSox on April 23rd, Contreras' lone setback was June 20th against the Dodgers with the no-decesion against the Mets on July 3rd. The cat was 0-2 with a 10.64 ERA after the Boston game and has since gone 7-1 and lowered his ERA to 5.17 (he cut it in half after the bad start to the season)."

So, he goes 7 and 1 since the really bad Boston game and you don't think he is consistent? PLEASE

[Illchill]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Oh, just to have a little fun....
NY Yankees 56-31
Boston 48-39 (8 games back from the Yanks for first in the AL East)


And just to have some more fun....
Last 3 outta 4 years, a team with less than half the Yanks payroll has knocked them outta the playoffs, inlcluding the World Series. 2 of those teams I think were under 500 the previous year (ARZ + FLA)

Also, remind me Reggie, you say if anyone can pull out a trade it is Brian Cashman. Even though Theo, Billy and many others are better than him (Even I could put together a team just by seeing who is the best guy in a position and buying him.) when is the last time Cashman pulled out a really good trade for the Yanks? Jeff Weaver? Jeff Nelson? Please man, he buys them, A-Rod, Giambi. I think the better GM is the guy who well he does have a large payroll, it isnt limitless, and he grabs guys like Bellhorn, Mueller, Ortiz in off-season for little cash and they really produce. He hasnt had many trade ops so far, not like Cashman has, but I have no gripes with Theo, what has he done wrong? While Cashman is grabing guys liek Giambi for way more than what we pay Ortiz and Ortiz puts up way better numbers. Theo is better, so dont say "If anyone can do it it is Cashman."


I read today that the Yankees including Georgie, CHARGED Babe Ruth's daughter to come and give an award to A-Rod recently at the Stadium. She had to buy the tix and everything. And the PR guy says "Look what we did for him (the Babe) already" or something like that. Even though the Yanks needed him more than he needed the Yanks. Talk about money hungry jerks.

[Illchill]

The Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo was sitting next to Alan Nero, Johnson's agent, at the Triple-A All-Star Game when ...

"The phone rang, and wouldn't you know it, Sox general manager Theo Epstein was on the other end. Nero explained where he was and told Epstein he'd call him later.

"(Nero did) indicate he felt because of the complexity of the situation, it will take a while to get it all sorted out, perhaps close to the July 31 trading deadline. Nero also believes there is a strong possibility Johnson will remain with the Diamondbacks."

----MLB.com

[NOFX]

Kurt thomas traded to cavs for The Zydranus illgauskus(spelling):)

[Poeman]

I just like to say

peter gammon from ESPN said on their acclaimed radio show, that RandY Johnson has narrowed his teams down to 2.

St.Louis Cardinals & NY Yankees

St.Louis doesnt have the money, and yanks dont have the prospect. The trade can be done, but it will be a money deal with the D-backs

He said the 3 team trade is DEAD between cubs, redsox and d-backs.

[Illchill]

Again, who are they gonna trade, no one gives me an answer.

[Poeman]

HOLY SMOKES did the knicks just make a trade

[Poeman]

Originally posted by Illchill
Again, who are they gonna trade, no one gives me an answer.

Money deal is in the works, buti am getting curiousity to me as well

[Illchill]

How much can they give? The max on that team is 215-ish I think.

Dotn quote me thoguh.

[Illchill]

Big Hurt out for 8 weeks with stress fracture in foot.

[Brodie Bruce]

Breaking News: Noone cares cause Frank Thomas hasn't been good for 8 hears.

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Illchill
And in my opinion Brian Jordan is a better outfielder than Vladimar Guerrero. I could be wrong, but then again I could be right.

Do you have to be an ignorant jerk all the time or do you take coffe breaks.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Do you have to be an ignorant jerk all the time or do you take coffe breaks.

They keep me on a strict schedule:o

[Illchill]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
Breaking News: Noone cares cause Frank Thomas hasn't been good for 8 hears.

Well ChiSox NEED him in this race, huge blow.

[Illchill]

Pedro has thrown 95 today:eek:

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
Breaking News: Noone cares cause Frank Thomas hasn't been good for 8 hears.
What the hell are you talking about? He almost made the all star game this year.

[Illchill]

Yea, he got snubbed along with Konerko but Loazia goes....

Ortiz will be suspended me think:( Though it was entertaniing. Francona is JACKED.

[Illchill]

Soooo...what is happenin peepz?

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill

Ortiz will be suspended me think:( Though it was entertaniing. Francona is JACKED.

What'd he do? He ate someone didn't he?

[Illchill]

When he held Ortiz back.

[Illchill]

Oh, Ortiz? He threw bats at umps.

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Slipknot
What the hell are you talking about? He almost made the all star game this year. He's a bloated drunkard. Thye should throw hi outta hte league.

[reggiebar]

For the record, "Since the Mets spanked (Jose) Contreras for seven runs and eight hits in five innings of a 10-9 loss on July 3 at Shea Stadium, Contreras is 3-0 with a 1.25 ERA. In 212/3 innings he has given up 11 hits, walked six and fanned 13."

BTW, it is his 4th staright win since being reunited with his wife and children from Cuba last month. Yeah, being without his family didn't have any affect on him :rolleyes:

[Slipknot]

Lol, I knew you were going to say something after that BIG win against those Devil Rays, whats his ERA now? Is it under five yet?

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
For the record, "Since the Mets spanked (Jose) Contreras for seven runs and eight hits in five innings of a 10-9 loss on July 3 at Shea Stadium, Contreras is 3-0 with a 1.25 ERA. In 212/3 innings he has given up 11 hits, walked six and fanned 13."

BTW, it is his 4th staright win since being reunited with his wife and children from Cuba last month. Yeah, being without his family didn't have any affect on him :rolleyes:
I love it when you bull**** your way through everything... I will return later because surely you will respond if I know my good little reggiebar. Until then, later.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
I love it when you bull**** your way through everything... I will return later because surely you will respond if I know my good little reggiebar. Until then, later.

Save it little boy who has never kissed a girl...you were way off base by thinking that having his family with him in the US wouldn't have an impact on how he is pitching - It clearly has had a major impact, so stuff it as you have nothing to respond to as the numbers do not lie - period.

Go back to searching register sex offender sites in hopes that an image of one of the female ones will be enough to carry you through yet another day where you remain a virgin and therefore unable to relate to a man with a loving wife and family.

Why do you even attempt to respond to stuff you have been proven wrong about and have no idea about?

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Lol, I knew you were going to say something after that BIG win against those Devil Rays, whats his ERA now? Is it under five yet?

As a matter of fact it is under 5 now at 4.84 (a heck of an accomplishment at this point in the season considering that he was 0-2 after three starts with a 10.64 ERA on April 23rd).

BTW, isn't Tampa Bay only 6 games back of Boston?

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Save it little boy who has never kissed a girl...you were way off base by thinking that having his family with him in the US wouldn't have an impact on how he is pitching - It clearly has had a major impact, so stuff it as you have nothing to respond to as the numbers do not lie - period.

Go back to searching register sex offender sites in hopes that an image of one of the female ones will be enough to carry you through yet another day where you remain a virgin and therefore unable to relate to a man with a loving wife and family.

Why do you even attempt to respond to stuff you have been proven wrong about and have no idea about?
LOL, no words can amount to that post.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by reggiebar
As a matter of fact it is under 5 now at 4.84 (a heck of an accomplishment at this point in the season considering that he was 0-2 after three starts with a 10.64 ERA on April 23rd).

BTW, isn't Tampa Bay only 6 games back of Boston?
Tampa Bay's leading RBI man is Aubrey Huff at a whopping 59 RBI's, enough said.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Tampa Bay's leading RBI man is Aubrey Huff at a whopping 59 RBI's, enough said.

and that has what to do with the fact that they are a scant 6 games back of Boston?

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Illchill
Again, who are they gonna trade, no one gives me an answer.
Originally posted by Poeman
Money deal is in the works, buti am getting curiousity to me as well
Diamondbacks want Jorge Posada AND prospects I am hearing on ESPN now.

[Brodie Bruce]

Let's all agree that The BRewers will win the World Series in 5 games:)

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
Let's all agree that The BRewers will win the World Series in 5 games:)
They are actually good this year... too bad there in one of the hardest divisions in baseball.

[SW Kalit]

Originally posted by Slipknot
What the hell are you talking about? He almost made the all star game this year.

Haha, almost.

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Slipknot
They are actually good this year... too bad there in one of the hardest divisions in baseball. pssh, I'm gonna personally take care of Pujols and Rolen. watch the news. Watch... the news...

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
pssh, I'm gonna personally take care of Pujols and Rolen. watch the news. Watch... the news...
Lol, I think a Cubs fan might beat you to it after the last two games between them... they must be PISSED.

[Brodie Bruce]

I'm sorry, I don't follow baseball:confused:

[Elmo]

It's not that baseball is a ****ty sport, it's that it's so ****ty, it makes me want to take a baseball bat, and beat the living **** out of the inventor of baseball.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
I'm sorry, I don't follow baseball:confused:
The Cubs lost two heartbreakers back to back against the Cardinals.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Elmo
It's not that baseball is a ****ty sport, it's that it's so ****ty, it makes me want to take a baseball bat, and beat the living **** out of the inventor of baseball.
Enraged Cubs fan?

[Brodie Bruce]

Originally posted by Slipknot
The Cubs lost two heartbreakers back to back against the Cardinals. You're losing me.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by BrodieBruce
You're losing me.
Lol, meh.

[Elmo]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Enraged Cubs fan? Elmo hates you all.

[Illchill]

They want Jorge too? What idiots. They have prospects of course, so it is like Posada and that is it. Posada isnt the type og guy I'd want for Johnson.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Illchill
They want Jorge too? What idiots. They have prospects of course, so it is like Posada and that is it. Posada isnt the type og guy I'd want for Johnson.
Jorge Posada is one of there big time players, I don't think the Yankees will do it, but maybe they will. But Posada is a well liked player in New York.

[Illchill]

Arizona is stupid, they could definately get a better player.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Illchill
Arizona is stupid, they could definately get a better player.
They would be trading All-Star for All-Star...

[Illchill]

Posada though? What do you think he can bring to ARZ in the future? Gimabi is an all-star too you know. They should demand a crap laod of cash along with Posada.

[the overtaker]

Posada sucks.

[Illchill]

In other news, the Sox got suffiently whipped today, while the Yank dominate again. Sigh, where is the consistency guys?

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Illchill
In other news, the Sox got suffiently whipped today, while the Yank dominate again. Sigh, where is the consistency guys?

What was up with the sox formation today?

[Illchill]

Pokey out, I dont think Gutierez arrived yet, Mueller can play second. I dont mind.

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Illchill
Pokey out, I dont think Gutierez arrived yet, Mueller can play second. I dont mind.

Is gutierez any good?

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by Illchill
Posada though? What do you think he can bring to ARZ in the future? Gimabi is an all-star too you know. They should demand a crap laod of cash along with Posada.
Posada has been the best catcher and most consistent catcher for a long time now... he runs the Yankees pitching staff.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Posada sucks.
Don't comment on things you know very little about, you are lucky to know who plays for the Red Sox nevermind any other team.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Posada has been the best catcher and most consistent catcher for a long time now... he runs the Yankees pitching staff.

Hey, dont get me wrong, I wouldnt mind Posada, though Tek is so underrated and I'd rather have him, he as the intangiables, but for the Big Unit, meh.....:o

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Don't comment on things you know very little about, you are lucky to know who plays for the Red Sox nevermind any other team.

Ouch

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Don't comment on things you know very little about, you are lucky to know who plays for the Red Sox nevermind any other team.

Wow i know more than you and you still try and challenge me you got balls kid, you got balls.

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Illchill
Ouch

Accept my trade.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Wow i know more than you and you still try and challenge me you got balls kid, you got balls.
... Lol, pathetic.

BTW I am older than you son.

[the overtaker]

Originally posted by Slipknot
... Lol, pathetic.

BTW I am older than you son.

Your also better at being a jerk for no reason.

[Slipknot]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Your also better at being a jerk for no reason.
You said...
Originally posted by the overtaker
Posada sucks.
and this...
Originally posted by the overtaker
Wow i know more than you and you still try and challenge me you got balls kid, you got balls.
What did you expect me to do or say when I see posts like that?

[Poeman]

DUDE overtaker shut up, your one of the stupid sox fans who only complain about the best and betterness it can get out of being one.

Be broad man. Posada is better then any catcher you guys have had ina while. Hes not the best catcher ive seen . But he is clutch and consistent. and a good hitter who strikes alot though.

I would take Ivan still

[Illchill]

Originally posted by the overtaker
Wow i know more than you and you still try and challenge me you got balls kid, you got balls.

Whoa whoa whoa. Con man, I aint tryign to make fun of you or anything, but you just started watching baseball this year, and if you can recite what was said on the last 10 sportscenters good for you, however Slipknot knows ALOT about baseball. I do think he has you there....

But you probably know more about wrestling than him

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Poeman
DUDE overtaker shut up, your one of the stupid sox fans who only complain about the best and betterness it can get out of being one.

Be broad man. Posada is better then any catcher you guys have had ina while. Hes not the best catcher ive seen . But he is clutch and consistent. and a good hitter who strikes alot though.

I would take Ivan still

Suprised how Pudge still does what he does at this age. Getting away from Texas was the best career move he ever made.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Slipknot
Alright reggiebar, let us get this straight here... your bragging about how Contreras is doing are you not? Well if you see the teams he has been playing against then you will see it is a joke. Since May 27th Contreras has played against the following teams... Baltimore, Baltimore, Colorado, Arizona, Los Angeles, New York Mets, New York Mets, Tampa Bay, and now Detroit...

Apparantly, Pedro got shelled by a "joke" of a team, in your words, last night.

[Brodie Bruce]

Did the BRewers win the World Series yet?

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
Suprised how Pudge still does what he does at this age. Getting away from Texas was the best career move he ever made.

Then he made the worst move and left the Marlins to be with his lover Urbina

[Poeman]

Yankees Ruben Sierra hits game walk off HR with 2 outs bottom of the ninth in front of 55,000 yankee fans to win

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