Sports debate.

[TheCheshireCat]

Get off of Brady's dick and quit being a ****ing biased ******* for 30 seconds. The Pats defense is the best in the league - fact. They scored the most points last year and the Pats won 14 games. You're a ****ing retard if you deny that was only because Tom Brady performs right below the top tier of QB's, you have no awesome WR's, and you had no running game. How could you win 14 games then? Magic? Defense? Magic? Just because you allow 24 points in one game against Peyton Manning doesn't make you a bad defense. They got turnovers and stopped them when it counted - good defense.

[TheCheshireCat]

Pfft, now you are just being a complete moron. Dilfer was alright for one year, while Brady has been consistently great since 2001 to this point in time. Dilfer had one of the greatest defenses ever assembled behind him and played a Giants team that had some big weaknesses. Your arguement sucks.
He wasn't too great two seasons ago. He wasn't even great the season before that since he didn't even play the whole season. That giants team was good enough to make it to the world series, and Trent Dilfer did score on them. If your defense creates enough opportunities even crappy QBs can win games. It's not like the Colts have a good secondary or anything. Infact they have a horrible backfield.

[reggiebar]

The whole Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson arguement is inane as each of them won only ONE Superbowl because of their D's and who they played in the Superbowl game. You name me a QB who isn't great who won at least 2 Superbowls and then maybe you fools can make your arguement. Come one, try it, you can't do it. Tom Brady is one of the best QBs on the NFL - period.

[reggiebar]

That giants team was good enough to make it to the world series, and Trent Dilfer did score on them.

Yeah, I think Trent Dilfer went 1-3 with a single and two strike-outs in that World Series :rolleyes:

[Slipknot]

That giants team was good enough to make it to the world series, and Trent Dilfer did score on them.
...

[reggiebar]

Those of you playa-hating on Tom Brady seem to want to make every excuse in the book why he isn't one of the best.

The first thing everyone always states is the Patriots great defense. No F'N **** Sherlocks, The Pats had a great D when they won 2 Superbowls. What Superbowl winning team doesn't have a great D? On the real, if a team's D sucks, that team doesn't win a Superbowl. Ask the Dan Marino lead Miami Dolphins of the 80s.

You cats also seem to forget that Tom Brady has NEVER had a great running back during those two Superbowl runs. If people can consider Joe Montana, who had really good to great D's and a top-notch running back in Roger Craig on his Superbowl winning teams (well except for the first one but the D was great that year), one of the great QBs, why not Brady? Seriously, Montana had way more weapons on offense on his Superbowl winning teams and always had a great D to complement the offense. Brady may have had a better D but didn't have the offensive weapons of Montana. Talk the NONSENSE, and nonsense it is, all you want about how good the Pats D is during their two Superbowls, as it further illustrates just how little you know about football. The 85' Bears had what most people consider the best D ever. Did McMahon lead them to another vistory after 85? The Ravens had the second best D ever, some would consider it the best, when they won the Superbowl? Where is Dilfer now? Certainly not leading them to another title. The great Bucs D...what have you done for me lately Brad Johnson?

Really, the discreditng of Tom Brady on these boards is just plain foolish. Now, I hate the guy as he plays for The Patriots, but there is no way in hell I could ever discredit just how great of a QB he is, because I actually understand the intangibles of football. Maybe the most important being that his team believs in him because they belive not only in his ability, but they trust him to make the right decesions at the right times. This is why I bring up people actaully playing football, because if you never played the game, you have no idea just how important "trust" in a QB can be and I don't simply mean "trust" in his talent, but trust in his decesion making. Why do you think the Saints never go anywhere? You think that team trusts Brooks' decesion making? Please.

Bottom line, if you are still stating that Tom Brday is not one of the 5, if not 3, best QBs in the NFL, you shouldn't be talking sports. I have said it once and I will say it again, Tom Brday is the Derek Jeter of football...the intangibiles combines with the talent make them great - perhaps the best, because they perform when it counts the most. Culpepper & Manning can throw 5 touchdowns in blowout games all they want and Tejada can jack dingers on losing teams when his team is 15 games back, but Derek Jeter hits HRs in big situations in playoff and World Series games and Tom Brday makes big throws in the playoffs and in the Superbowl - hence why they are the best at what they do - WIN.

[Illchill]

Yeah, I think Trent Dilfer went 1-3 with a single and two strike-outs in that World Series :rolleyes:

:hyper:

[TheCheshireCat]

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That's what happens when you watch Sports Center while typing. Tom Brady is not one of the best QB's in football because he has one good game against the Colts ****ty defense. Get off his cock and get off the band wagon. In their first Super Bowl: Brady completed 16 passes for 145 yards and a single TD. Ty Law scored the other one. Man those are some impressive stats. Hey look: Kurt warner threw for 365, a TD, and 2 INTs. Sounds like Tom Brady really won that Super Bowl because of his talent :rolleyes:

[Illchill]

That's what happens when you watch Sports Center while typing. Tom Brady is not one of the best QB's in football because he has one good game against the Colts ****ty defense. Get off his cock and get off the band wagon. In their first Super Bowl: Brady completed 16 passes for 145 yards and a single TD. Ty Law scored the other one. Man those are some impressive stats. Hey look: Kurt warner threw for 365, a TD, and 2 INTs. Sounds like Tom Brady really won that Super Bowl because of his talent :rolleyes:

Brady: 0 INTs against a at that time real good defense.

Warner: 2 INTs against a at that time a lesser defense than they are now.


You win turnovers, you win the game. Brady did all he could while still producing to make sure his team won. More than you can say for some players, if not most.

[TheCheshireCat]

Bottom line, if you are still stating that Tom Brday is not one of the 5, if not 3, best QBs in the NFL, you shouldn't be talking sports. I have said it once and I will say it again, Tom Brday is the Derek Jeter of football...the intangibiles combines with the talent make them great - perhaps the best, because they perform when it counts the most. Culpepper & Manning can throw 5 touchdowns in blowout games all they want and Tejada can jack dingers on losing teams when his team is 15 games back, but Derek Jeter hits HRs in big situations in playoff and World Series games and Tom Brday makes big throws in the playoffs and in the Superbowl - hence why they are the best at what they do - WIN.

You already said all of the **** up there. Tom Brady didn't really make any spectacular plays in the first Super Bowl. No one's talking about Derek Jeter. The fact is, Tom Brady is not in the top 3 or 4 QB's in the league. Which is exactly what I said before, and I listed. If you want to argue top 5: knock yourself out.

[TheCheshireCat]

Brady: 0 INTs against a at that time real good defense.

Warner: 2 INTs against a at that time a lesser defense than they are now.


You win turnovers, you win the game. Brady did all he could while still producing to make sure his team won. More than you can say for some players, if not most.


Thanks for proving my point ass clown. The Pats D got two turnovers and scored. Brady didn't have anything to do with that.

[Illchill]

But he DID NOT throw any picks, or fumble anything. I don't think he got sacked in that game, but I could be wrong. Warner produced, btu didnt do what he needed to do which was PROTECT the football, Brady did.

And as I speak, Bonds is coming up to the plate for 700 again.

[Slipknot]

Kurt warner threw for 365, a TD
Does the greatest defense in the league usually give up that many yards? Pfft, moron.

[Slipknot]

That's what happens when you watch Sports Center while typing.
Ass clown.

[TheCheshireCat]

Does the greatest defense in the league usually give up that many yards? Pfft, moron.

You don't read well. They weren't the greatest defense in the league that year.

[TheCheshireCat]

But he DID NOT throw any picks, or fumble anything. I don't think he got sacked in that game, but I could be wrong. Warner produced, btu didnt do what he needed to do which was PROTECT the football, Brady did.

And as I speak, Bonds is coming up to the plate for 700 again.

So because Tom Brady managed not to turn over the football, he's a top 5 QB. Good point :rolleyes:

[Slipknot]

You don't read well. They weren't the greatest defense in the league that year.
And they weren't last year either... ever hear of the Ravens?

[Illchill]

So because Tom Brady managed not to turn over the football, he's a top 5 QB. Good point :rolleyes:

That's just a one BIG game. he consistently does this.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Woo, I'm going up to Philly this weekend to scout some apartments and managed to get my hands on 2 tickets to the Monday Night game. So if anyone's gonna be there, I'll be the guy wearing the white T.O. jersey munching on some Chickie and Pete's crab fries. :hyper:

[J-Bones]

looks like the Sox Yankees game is cancelled tonight. Looks like they might have to play a double header on sunday, thing is, who the hell are the Red Sox gonna use for a starting pitcher in that second game? Mendoza? Wakefield possibly?

[Slipknot]

What a game, what a game. Wow, that was just great.

[Themanofbat]

What a game, what a game. Wow, that was just great.

Glad to see the Sox win it in the 9th....

And howza'bout that CATCH??? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Awesome... :cool:

[Themanofbat]

On a completely different topic, it's unfortunate (and how much it will hurt the american franchises) that nobody really discussed the NHL lock out here... because my opinion is that Americans don't really care nor appreciate hockey for the fast-paced, action packed sport that it is.

Oh well...

:(

[Slipknot]

Glad to see the Sox win it in the 9th....

And howza'bout that CATCH??? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Awesome... :cool:
Manny was the friggin man, best catch I have ever seen by him for sure. Man that game was great.

[Themanofbat]

Well, the Sox are getting their arses handed to 'em on a platter this afternoon.

:(

[TheCheshireCat]

What a game!

[TheCheshireCat]

If anyone here is a Tenn college fan, your starting QB graduated from my highschool last year, Brent's a beast.

[Assassin32]

De La Hoya vs. Hopkins! Tonight!:cool:

........I will be watching it next Saturday on HBO for free, though.:o

[Slipknot]

What a game!
Lol, no playoffs for the Marlins.

[TheCheshireCat]

That's ok we we've won the World Series twice in the last 7 years, let St Louis do it!

[cyborg ninja 14]

I love Grif! I have no doubts now that the Portis/Bailey trade was an awesome deal for us :)

You and me Both :)

[Eric Draven]

On a completely different topic, it's unfortunate (and how much it will hurt the american franchises) that nobody really discussed the NHL lock out here... because my opinion is that Americans don't really care nor appreciate hockey for the fast-paced, action packed sport that it is.

Oh well...

:(

That's kinda the inherent problem with the NHL. Bettman was just trying too hard to make it as popular as the NFL, NBA, or MLB is with American audiences. But the thing is, Americans don't give a **** about hockey. They never have, they never will. It's kinda like with us Canadians and baseball. It's never really been our kind of sport.

[Tukiluka]

That's kinda the inherent problem with the NHL. Bettman was just trying too hard to make it as popular as the NFL, NBA, or MLB is with American audiences. But the thing is, Americans don't give a **** about hockey. They never have, they never will. It's kinda like with us Canadians and baseball. It's never really been our kind of sport.
LIES!!!! :mad:

[Eric Draven]

It's true though. I mean look at the Expos. Nobody really cared for them. And they're practically out of Montreal now anyways. And look at the Jays. The only time we actually cared about that team was when they won those two World Series. Beyond that, we just don't care about the sport :o

[Slipknot]

That's kinda the inherent problem with the NHL. Bettman was just trying too hard to make it as popular as the NFL, NBA, or MLB is with American audiences. But the thing is, Americans don't give a **** about hockey. They never have, they never will. It's kinda like with us Canadians and baseball. It's never really been our kind of sport.
Wtf are you talking about?


That's kinda the inherent problem with the NHL. Bettman was just trying too hard to make it as popular as the NFL, NBA, or MLB is with American audiences.
You mention the NBA... the NHL is pretty much right there with the NBA.
But the thing is, Americans don't give a **** about hockey. They never have, they never will.
What the hell is wrong with you? Hockey was one of the biggest sports from when they started up until the late 80's. Hockey is still a major sport in High School sports, College Sports, and etc. I am American and I love Hockey, and I know many who feel the same as I do. Hockey was down in Canada obviously with Winnipeg and Quebec moving to the USA like 15 years back or so. Any sport can be big at times.
It's kinda like with us Canadians and baseball. It's never really been our kind of sport.
How can you say that? Back in the early 90's the SkyDome in Toronto was filled every night and Toronto loved the Blue Jays, I think they have the largest attendence record for one game ever, for the World Series. You should know that baseball can be big in Canada when it is going good.

[Slipknot]

we just don't care about the sport :o
You talk like you are speaking on behalf of Canadiens everywhere.

[Eric Draven]

What the hell is wrong with you? Hockey was one of the biggest sports from when they started up until the late 80's. Hockey is still a major sport in High School sports, College Sports, and etc. I am American and I love Hockey, and I know many who feel the same as I do. Hockey was down in Canada obviously with Winnipeg and Quebec moving to the USA like 15 years back or so. Any sport can be big at times.
good.

Sure hockey can be big to some people. But in other places they just don't care. I mean how many places in the US can you honestly say had extensive coverage on the NHL strike?

Can you imagine if MLB or NFL went on strike....how much coverage on the media would it have in the US then?

[Eric Draven]

You talk like you are speaking on behalf of Canadiens everywhere.

Well, besides MLB, baseball teams in Canada don't really stick around as well. Right now, the only Triple A team left in Canada is the Edmonton Trappers, and they're being moved to the US next season. Look at the Expos. How much fan support do they actually have?

[Tukiluka]

It's true though. I mean look at the Expos. Nobody really cared for them. And they're practically out of Montreal now anyways. And look at the Jays. The only time we actually cared about that team was when they won those two World Series. Beyond that, we just don't care about the sport :o
It's true. Les Expos are a suck. :(

The Blue Jays could be good though. You have to sacrifice the first born Canadian baby in each household, and they will be good. :xmen:

[Eric Draven]

How can you say that? Back in the early 90's the SkyDome in Toronto was filled every night and Toronto loved the Blue Jays, I think they have the largest attendence record for one game ever, for the World Series. You should know that baseball can be big in Canada when it is going good.

Yes. Back when the Jays were winning, everybody supported them. But since then, how has the attendance record been?

It's just like the US and hockey. Nobody really cares for the team until they get into the playoffs or go to the Stanley cup finals.

[Slipknot]

Sure hockey can be big to some people. But in other places they just don't care.
More than "some people", in ever place atleast one person cares, even in the south some care. Detroit, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, are all cities that surely care.
I mean how many places in the US can you honestly say had extensive coverage on the NHL strike?
Are you talking about local news companies? If so then yes there has been coverage on there sports portion of the telecast. ESPN has been covering it a lot also... maybe not as much as TSN because of the huge baseball and football games being played, but they get enough coverage with Hradek on it with Barry Melrose and people talking about it.
Can you imagine if MLB or NFL went on strike....how much coverage on the media would it have in the US then?
MLB almost went on strike last year and they did back in '94, it might get a little more coverage than the NHL one but I don't think any strike gets that much coverage because who wants to hear about it? I for one would rather see the sports actually playing rather than see bad news about a sport on strike... you know they won't play and that is pretty much all you need to know.

[Spider-Man]

Baseball has been poo for the last couple of years for me; and I don't even have a team. The Braves could be the best regular season team in history; and yet the most suckiest post-season team. They should all be shot in their ankles. Everyday.

[Slipknot]

Yes. Back when the Jays were winning, everybody supported them. But since then, how has the attendance record been?
That happens EVERWHERE though, not only in Baseball, but in Hockey, Football, and Basketball... it happens to every bad team everywhere.
It's just like the US and hockey. Nobody really cares for the team until they get into the playoffs or go to the Stanley cup finals.
That happens all the time... even in Canada with Hockey, it is how people are.

[Tukiluka]

More than "some people", in ever place atleast one person cares, even in the south some care. Detroit, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, are all cities that surely care.

That's cuz there's nothing to do in those cities.

Detroit? Is a suck.

Boston? A suck. (Of course you will defend it...but my family from Boston says...a suck.

New York? Cool. But the people there look liek monsters. Like fish faced monsters. Fish faced monsters are stupid, and go to hockey, eventhough there is other stuff to do. There are millions of people in that city, and they attack the New Yorkers that look like fish faced monsters, and make them go to hockey. I've been in the airport in New York, and I saw many fish faced monsters.

Philadelphia? Is a New York wannabe suck.

So there. I have given you evidence of why hockey is a suck.

[Slipknot]

That's cuz there's nothing to do in those cities.

Detroit? Is a suck.

Boston? A suck. (Of course you will defend it...but my family from Boston says...a suck.

New York? Cool. But the people there look liek monsters. Like fish faced monsters. Fish faced monsters are stupid, and go to hockey, eventhough there is other stuff to do. There are millions of people in that city, and they attack the New Yorkers that look like fish faced monsters, and make them go to hockey. I've been in the airport in New York, and I saw many fish faced monsters.

Philadelphia? Is a New York wannabe suck.

So there. I have given you evidence of why hockey is a suck.
LA = Mexico City

[Tukiluka]

LA = Mexico City
Yeah...but Mexicans are rad. :up:

[Eric Draven]

More than "some people", in ever place atleast one person cares, even in the south some care. Detroit, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, are all cities that surely care.


I know. There are a few people that care. But not enough compared to the other major sports IMO. I mean even look at the Hype right here. How many threads do you see about football or baseball compared to threads about hockey?

[Slipknot]

Yeah...but Mexicans are rad. :up:
Lol, so you do know what I am referring to when I say LA = Mexico City.

[Tukiluka]

How many threads do you see about Lacrosse? I'm a huge Lacrosse fan! And I'm sick of my sport getting no props! I'll tell you what: Lacrosse is discriminated against, and personally, I blame the Vatican.

Death to the Pope! Hit him with your...lacrosse...sticks...or whatever they are.

http://patrickprescott.com/archives/Pope%20Smiling.jpg

I mean...look at him! :mad:

[Eric Draven]

I just made a thread about Lacrosse last week? :confused:


It got -5 posts :(

[Tukiluka]

Lol, so you do know what I am referring to when I say LA = Mexico City.
I live near LA, eventhough you put me in the sea. Of course I know. And Mexicans can party down.

[Tukiluka]

I just made a thread about Lacrosse last week? :confused:


It got -5 posts :(
Because of the Pope. :o

You deliberating bastard. :mad:

[Eric Draven]

Deliberating? :confused:


Oh ****, I forgot all about that trade you proposed :o

[Slipknot]

I live near LA, eventhough you put me in the sea. Of course I know. And Mexicans can party down.
Lol, a pollution party.

[Tukiluka]

Lol, a pollution party.
Not really. All the smog blows out to Riverside. So LA and Orange County are nice and clean. :up:

But the Riverside people....they die of like, diseases and stuff. :daredevil

[Slipknot]

Not really. All the smog blows out to Riverside. So LA and Orange County are nice and clean. :up:

But the Riverside people....they die of like, diseases and stuff. :daredevil
LA is definetly polluted. I hear you can't even run like a mile without weezing after.

[Tukiluka]

LA is definetly polluted. I hear you can't even run like a mile without weezing after.That's just stuff we tell people in Boston to keep them from coming here. I assure you, it is possible to run here and feel fine.

[Themanofbat]

This reminds me of the old "This is Boston, not LA" hardcore comp that came out a few years ago for some reason.

There was a song called "Slam" which was fookin' awesome. :cool:

:)

[Slipknot]

That's just stuff we tell people in Boston to keep them from coming here. I assure you, it is possible to run here and feel fine.
Lol, I might have to lay down for a while if I ever go to LA... can't move too fast out there right away, you may come down with something.

[Illchill]

Well it looks like another Sox blowout. 7-1 right now. Go Pats.

We'll still make post-season, but I wanted the AL east crown this year. We sweep this upcoming series and put ourself in good position (still just 4.5 out if we lose thisone) and we still have a shot at home to beat them.

[Assassin32]

Let's all talk about how sad it is that De La Hoya got knocked out. That was so sad.:(

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

The Red Sox make me sad, I've lost my faith...again.

[gildea]

...ryder cup anyone?

[Jennifer Lopez]

The Red Sox make me sad, I've lost my faith...again.
It'll come back.

[reggiebar]

D-O-N-O-V-A-N!!!!!

[C-$]

I can't wait until the Carolina Panthers play the Philadelphia Eagles in Phlly on week 6. The whole world will see why The Carolina Panthers are still the best eam in the N.F.C!

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

It'll come back.
you know nothing, it's like trying to catch syphillis with a fish net :mad: :(

I'm waiting for the Devil Rays to go from "well hot damn, we have the best prospects in the MLB" to actually using the bastards for more than 1 year. I can't respect a team that is always "looking to the future". *spit* :mad:

[C-$]

Let's all talk about how sad it is that De La Hoya got knocked out. That was so sad.:(

I didn't get a chance to see the fight. So can you summarize it for me?

[Jennifer Lopez]

you know nothing, it's like trying to catch syphillis with a fish net :mad: :(
I've done that multiple times as well. :( The faith comes back. :up:

[Assassin32]

I didn't get a chance to see the fight. So can you summarize it for me?

I didn't see it either (and I probably won't get to see it on HBO this Saturday, either.:mad: ), but this is what I understand happened: It was a pretty close fight, Hopkins was probably winning by two rounds. Then, in the 9th, Hopkins corner tells him that it's close and to go for the kill. So, Hopkins sends two perfect blows to De La Hoya's liver, and Oscar didn't get up. After the fight, De La Hoya said that he was trying to get up, but it just hurt too bad. Those body punches must have been devastating.:eek: If you get a chance to see it, make sure to tell me what you thought of the fight.

[reggiebar]

Bernard Hopkins is a bad man! Those two body blows were ill!

I would LOVE to see Roy Jones drop weight again and go back down to Hopkins' weight-class as that is the fight that I have dying to see for about a decade as the last time Hopkins lost was to Roy Jones back in 1993.

Hopkins/Jones would truly be like the great fights of the 80s, i.e. Duran/Leonard, Hagler/Hearns, etc...Jones is done at Light Heavyweight anyhow as Tarver OWNS him, so he really should drop back down and make this super-fight happen as Hopkins is 39 and won't be boxing too much longer.

As for Oscar, he needs to take on Trinidad again since Felix is back out of his retirement after Hopkins beat him down.

[Assassin32]

De La Hoya would kill Trinidad in a rematch.....just like he did the first time they fought.

[Illchill]

The Red Sox make me sad, I've lost my faith...again.

Bet its back after last night:D:D:D:D

[Illchill]

This thread has been dying. Cmon guys, this is one of the all time great threads. And the Pats just tied the consecutive wins record, and the playoffs are starting. Lets get something going.

[Assassin32]

Trinidad won Saturday. De La Hoya can get his revenge.

[Childlike Wild]

I hate the Baltimore defense. Except for McAlister, who I wish was the one to score the touchdown, if a touchdown had to happen. But really, Baltimore should just lose, and lose badly.

The Patriots are fantastic. Here's hoping for #19....

[TheCheshireCat]

[QUOTE=Childlike Wild]I hate the Baltimore defense. But really, Baltimore should just lose, and lose badly.
QUOTE]

??? How can you hate Ray Lewis? He's the best defensive player in football.

[Childlike Wild]

Mostly just for this week because I'm facing that defense in two different leagues. And looking for a first win in one of them...

Usually I don't have a problem with Baltimore in particular. :up:

[Eric Draven]

[QUOTE=Childlike Wild]I hate the Baltimore defense. But really, Baltimore should just lose, and lose badly.
QUOTE]

??? How can you hate Ray Lewis? He's the best defensive player in football.

You still want him? :o

[bored]

if the cheifs' first win of the season is against the ravens, that'll be so awesome.

[TheCheshireCat]

You still want him? :o

I want him as my body guard.

[Eric Draven]

And you can!

[bored]

if the cheifs' first win of the season is against the ravens, that'll be so awesome.

since i didn't say it last night: let the awesomeness comence.

[Childlike Wild]

It was very awesome indeed.

[Illchill]

YES! Sox up 2-0. C'mon guys, this is one of the best times of the sports year. Lets get a fire started in this thread.

[CrAzYMoFo]

Yankees All The Way Damnit!!!!!

[TheCheshireCat]

Yankees are gay. St Louis will beat them or Boston in the Series

[J-Bones]

Man I hate working untill 11:30 @ Night, I don't get to catch any of the playoffs...BUT they did announce the score for the sox games over the intercom for the past 2 games

[Illchill]

Not too bad Sox. Not too bad:)

[Protest the Hero]

Down with Anaheim forever. Go Twins! :up:

[ElectroFlare]

Who thinks the Phildelphia Eagles can keep up their streak against the Panthers?
I do. :)

[Themanofbat]

Astros win 8-5..... lead the series 2-1.

:)

[Illchill]

ALCS. Whee.

[Spidergurl4302]

Who thinks the Phildelphia Eagles can keep up their streak against the Panthers?
I do. :)i think they can too, the Panthers haven't been playing too good but i want to see if the Pats can keep up THEIR streak (19 straight wins!:D) against seattle

[Illchill]

Well Seattle blew it last nite, so it doesnt seem too hard.


Let's match-up this ALCS?NLCS when the winner is decided.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

got 4 tickets to the Eagles/Ravens game in Philly on Halloween. woot woot.

[Illchill]

YES! I have been away fr one week from the net, but that ALCS kept me busy. History was made and will continue to be made as the Sox steamrooll the Birds. C'mon Sox!

Also, 5-0 Pats vs 5-0 Jets will eb great game. 20 wins in a row? Phenomenal.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

i dunno if this thread is still alive or not, but...

we won the division, *****es. 4th straight NFC east title

[Assassin32]

And Jerry Porter raped Champ Bailey. Everybody wins!:up:

[Illchill]

After seeing some noobs with their sports thread on various crap, I decided it is time to pull one of the greatest threads in Hype history, my personal best thread, out from the grave. ARRRRRRIIISSSEEEE SPORTS DEBATE!!!!!!!!!

[TheCheshireCat]

That was kinda gay :)

[Bis Da 59]

not kinda gay that was extremely gay
'arrrrrissssseeeee'
you sound like my granddad trying to get a boner

[TheCheshireCat]

not kinda gay that was extremely gay
'arrrrrissssseeeee'
you sound like my granddad trying to get a boner

Wow that was terrible...at least I know the guy, you're just being a dick.

[Bis Da 59]

please stop it sir, I can't take it when people make fun of me over the internet :(

[Super_Ludacris]

Keep eggin him, then he'll know how Bis felt after LL ripped him :)

[Bis Da 59]

hahahaha



Sorry not funny

Maybe next time.

[Super_Ludacris]

It's the joke that never ends my homie :)

[Bis Da 59]

you hear the virtruvian mixtape

[Illchill]

At least I am moving up the all time post count in a thread category. My thread has been on the front page of replies for several months:)

[TheCheshireCat]

A simple bump would do love.

[TheCheshireCat]

please stop it sir, I can't take it when people make fun of me over the internet :(

Good one :up:

[Bis Da 59]

thanks thanks

[PoAnTimRSexi]

4th straight nfc championship game, yeah... maybe we'll ****ing win one for once. :cool:

[Slipknot]

Oh, the fond memories of this thread. Kicking Cheshire's ass in a debate, then handing it to reggiebar after he defends his Dolphin friend... oh the memories. :joker:

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Oh, the fond memories of this thread. Kicking Cheshire's ass in a debate, then handing it to reggiebar after he defends his Dolphin friend... oh the memories. :joker:

And the time you put the Cowboys 2nd in the power poll and said they had a better offense than the Eagles... :p

[Slipknot]

And the time you put the Cowboys 2nd in the power poll and said they had a better offense than the Eagles... :p
I was actually going to cheer for Philadelphia to win this week... until now.

[Slipknot]

Haha someone said Boston was going to win the WS. That's funny.
Indeed it is. :)

[TheCheshireCat]

Oh, the fond memories of this thread. Kicking Cheshire's ass in a debate, then handing it to reggiebar after he defends his Dolphin friend... oh the memories. :joker:

You know this is the internet right? :)

[TheCheshireCat]

Indeed it is. :)

I play the odds dear. It's not like you would've bet on them to win.

[Slipknot]

I play the odds dear. It's not like you would've bet on them to win.
Actually I kind of did. I am dead serious, I actually pretty much thought over and over again about the possibility of them winning this year and almost praying for them to win because I had just turned 18 and it was the most perfect year they could do it in. I had this feeling ever since the end of last season... I am not one to go out and proclaim that the Red Sox were going to win it all this year because I am not that kind of person. I just felt this was the best year of any for them to win it, me being 18, being my last year of High School and I could get into clubs if I wanted to go into Boston.

[Slipknot]

You know this is the internet right? :)
Kidding my love, kidding.

[Super_Ludacris]

Whatever happened to Reggiebar, he was a cool cat :)

[Bis Da 59]

im cool whatup dawg

[Super_Ludacris]

naaaah son YOU aint Reggiebar.....

[Bis Da 59]

whos reggiebar

[Super_Ludacris]

Old School Hip Hop head on the Hype

[Bis Da 59]

remminds me, you hear the bis mixtape yet

[Super_Ludacris]

Yeah, thanks for the hookup on it....it's decent stuff. Mixtapes are Bis' niche

[Bis Da 59]

it has its moment, cant say im feelin it, its basically main stream bis and hes watered down his lines. nothin' special lyrically. peace out dawg im off to see american idol

[TheCheshireCat]

Actually I kind of did. I am dead serious, I actually pretty much thought over and over again about the possibility of them winning this year and almost praying for them to win because I had just turned 18 and it was the most perfect year they could do it in. I had this feeling ever since the end of last season... I am not one to go out and proclaim that the Red Sox were going to win it all this year because I am not that kind of person. I just felt this was the best year of any for them to win it, me being 18, being my last year of High School and I could get into clubs if I wanted to go into Boston.

You put money on it? I mean obviously some people did, but I'm assuming most of them were drunk, especially after the Yankee 3 game lead

[Slipknot]

You put money on it? I mean obviously some people did, but I'm assuming most of them were drunk, especially after the Yankee 3 game lead
I don't bet, if I start betting on games I KNOW I will end up screwing myself over one of these days.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

reggiebar ruled, he was my co-donovan mcnabb supporter

[PoAnTimRSexi]

I was actually going to cheer for Philadelphia to win this week... until now.

why, because in the midst of tooting your own horn about debates with cheshire, i brought up the fact that you were completely and utterly off base with your predictions regarding the cowboys?

[Slipknot]

why, because in the midst of tooting your own horn about debates with cheshire, i brought up the fact that you were completely and utterly off base with your predictions regarding the cowboys?
People are morons... I was kidding, and I obviously do NOT care who wins in your game Sunday.

[TheCheshireCat]

You know who I really don't want to see win? The Eagles.

[Illchill]

Talk about a fun game, NE and ATL. I will be rooting for ATL, btu I love T.O and McNabb.

[TheCheshireCat]

Or you know, Steelers and Eagles....they are playing two games this weekend to decide that. You like TO???

[PoAnTimRSexi]

i would think the NFL would want a Pitt/Falcons match up... two un-favored teams heading into the season, it would help their claims of parity... not to mention you have one of the most exciting Qb's in the league in Vick and a rookie prodigy in Roethlisberger

what would be the better game? philly/ne, undoubtably. they match up better on both sides of the ball. does anyone really want to see roethlisberger and vick passing against eachother in a super bowl? one is a rookie and the other can't hit the broad side of a barn.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

i would think the NFL would want a Pitt/Falcons match up... two un-favored teams heading into the season, it would help their claims of parity... not to mention you have one of the most exciting Qb's in the league in Vick and a rookie prodigy in Roethlisberger

what would be the better game? philly/ne, undoubtably. they match up better on both sides of the ball. does anyone really want to see roethlisberger and vick passing against eachother in a super bowl? one is a rookie and the other can't hit the broad side of a barn.
teams like that don't usually pull in the best ratings but hey, it's the superbowl, what else is on that day?

[PoAnTimRSexi]

illchill, slipknot... see you guys in the bowl

[BrodieBruce]

When Wisconsin Takes down Illinois in 20 minutes, I wnat some sort of "props". I demand to be recognized.

[BrodieBruce]

aw, ****. never mind:(

[Slipknot]

Well, tommorow is the big game, should be good. I hope the Patriots win, see you all after the game, later.

[Assassin32]

Did anyone see Zab Judah knock-out Corey Spinks last night. It was badass.:cool:

Go Eagles.:up:

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Well, tommorow is the big game, should be good. I hope the Patriots win, see you all after the game, later.

Congrats on the win... just got back from Jacksonville last night, had great seats to the game... would've made my life had they won, but we gave a good effort nonetheless

[Spidergurl4302]

it was a great game, i was like the only one i knew that thought it would be close, i even held my breath for some parts of the game :p :D

[Slipknot]

Congrats on the win... just got back from Jacksonville last night, had great seats to the game... would've made my life had they won, but we gave a good effort nonetheless
No hurry up offense late in the fourth quarter killed you guys.

[Assassin32]

And before halftime.

[Illchill]

Plus we have BC, plus Celtics lead the Atlantic I think.

[Slipknot]

Randy Moss was just traded to the Oakland Raiders.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

that's the most fitting trade I think I've seen since the Warren Sapp trade, trading an ******* to an ******* team. :up:

[Slipknot]

that's the most fitting trade I think I've seen since the Warren Sapp trade, trading an ******* to an ******* team. :up:
Hahahaha, yep.

[Assassin32]

You guys are both *******s. Randy Moss owns.

[Illchill]

Raiders bent over the Viking and raped them, without any KY Jelly or any lubricant substance whatsoever in this deal. Moss does indeed pwn.

[BrodieBruce]

You can't really say that until you see who they pick up with the picks.

[Daisy]

And who they pick up in free agency.

Contrary to a lot of the pissing and moaning in here... this is anything but the end of the world for the Vikings.

[Assassin32]

Raiders win forever.:up:

[Slipknot]

I wrote this about two or three weeks ago for my English class... for anyone who wants to read up on salary caps in professional sports. This was part of the "annual essay" thing we have at our school ever year.



Professional athletes and franchises should all have a salary cap. Major League Baseball is the biggest professional sport that has yet to show signs of a salary cap. The National Football League is the best example of how a professional sports franchise should be run, by far the best salary cap sport out of them all. The National Basketball Association is coming close to a much harder salary cap, but it may take some time and maybe even a strike to implement this. The National Hockey League is a good example when bargaining between athletes and the league go horribly wrong. Professional sports must force salary caps upon each league to maintain a equal balanced playing field for every team, a equal chance for every team to win a championship.

Major League Baseball is the biggest professional sport that has yet to show signs of a salary cap. They have implemented a luxury tax, but that does not stop the high paying teams from over spending at all, it ends up hurting the lower spending teams because they cannot afford to have to pay luxury taxes. Major League Baseball’s so called luxury tax, an agreement in which if the teams payroll goes past a certain amount of money then they must pay into a pool which is supposed to help the lower market teams pay higher salaries. For the 2004 season, the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox and Anaheim Angels paid luxury tax. Athletes playing baseball’s salaries are climbing at a higher rate each year. A salary cap is needed to keep baseball strong in the future, to keep the game exciting and enjoyable to watch for every fan. A salary cap would give every team a chance to put together a winning team, but teams today that are not in a big market city have a big disadvantage. The four major professional sports in the United States are the MLB, NBA, NFL, and NHL. Out of those four, only Major League Baseball has not had any type of salary cap. A salary cap keeps players salaries from getting too high, because of the need to get your whole team under a certain amount of dollars set by the league. Most critics of the salary cap idea will say that small market ball clubs can field competitive teams without a salary cap by developing a good farm system. But this theory has been proven to be wrong in recent years. Cleveland, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, Montreal, and Toronto have some of the best farm league systems in the MLB and yet only one of those five teams mentioned have made it to the playoffs in recent years. Alex Rodriguez made over twenty million dollars in 2004 alone, he is one of the highest payed players in the league and didn’t even bat over the .300 mark this year. “In baseball,” said Stephen Ross, a law professor at the University of Illinois. “Kansas City Royals fans would be hard-pressed to think that their team could win the American League when its payroll is $30 million and the New York Yankees are spending $180 million on its players." Something must be done in this league before the integrity of the game, and eventually, the game itself is destroyed.

The National Football League is the best example of how a professional sports franchise should be run, by far the best salary cap sport out of them all. Two of the four teams that played in the NFL conference championships last year did not even make the playoffs this year. The salary cap has helped to bring about parity among the teams, and thereby made the game more interesting. Critics say that the salary cap has made for a league that is mediocre, but three of the last four Super Bowl’s have been won by three points or less and two of the four have come down to a last second field goal. The cap in the NFL is known as a hard cap, where no team can go over for any reason or they will face penalty from the league. The cap is increased based on the league's revenues. As of 2004, the NFL salary cap is around eighty million dollars per team. Tom Brady made a little over five million dollars in 2004, compared to Alex Rodriguez’s 2004 salary of over twenty million dollars. Both of these players are considered some of the best athletes in there sport, but there is a difference of over fifteen million dollars between both of them. "Because of the salary cap, other things become more important and the Patriots are good at capitalizing on those other things," said James Lavin, author of "Management Secrets of the New England Patriots." Some will say that the NFL has no parity anymore because the New England Patriots won three out of the last four Super Bowl titles, but the Patriots certainly do not even come close to having the most expensive payroll in the league and their 2004 Super Bowl opponents, the Philadelphia Eagles, have signed 19 of their 22 starters through next season and are still more than $17 million under the cap. The NFL salary cap is working as of now because there is not one team grabbing all the free agent players, not one team who is going out every year and over paying on players like they do in the MLB. I have watched the NFL over the past ten or so years since the salary cap was instituted into the league and it has been great to see all the teams that are horrible one year go to the playoffs the next year. It gives hope to every football fan to be able to always look towards next year knowing there team could very well win the Super Bowl.

The National Basketball Association is coming close to a much harder salary cap, but it may take some time and maybe even a strike to implement this. The current salary cap placed in the NBA is not anything to be happy about, the NBA is the most unbalanced of the four major sports, only five teams have won titles in the past eleven years. The NBA must take harsher steps towards parity in there league, they had the Chicago Bulls during their six-championship run throughout the 1990's, and then had another powerhouse team with the Los Angeles Lakers in the late 1990's into the 2000's. Some actually enjoyed the Chicago Bulls stretch of championships in the 90's because of the many teams they faced. "Many people thought the Chicago Bulls dynasty was going to be boring," Stephen Ross said. "But as long as the opponents are different” The Bulls faced five different opponents in their six championship run.. In the NBA, a team can spend as much money as they want over the cap, the only consequence is a tax to any team that goes over the salary cap limit. Teams end up paying forty million dollars in taxes for going over the salary cap. After the 2003-2004 season, the New York Knicks payed 40 million, Portland Trail Blazers payed 28 million, Dallas Mavericks paying 25 million and the Minnesota Timberwolves paying 17 million dollars in taxes. As of now the NBA salary cap pretty much does nothing to stop teams from out spending smaller market teams and until they do that they are about as good as the MLB is when it comes to salaries.

The National Hockey League is a good example when bargaining between athletes and the league goes horribly wrong. The NHL owners have been attempting to come to terms with the athletes since last summer and still nothing new in this five month lockout that so far has wiped out 824 of the 1,230 regular season games. The NHL was supposed to be holding its All Star game in Atlanta on February 15th, but that will not be happening and it is expected that the NHL season will be officially canceled very soon. This lock out will end up hurting everyone involved, the players, the owners, and the fans. The NHL will definitely end up with some sort of salary cap, the players should know this. They cannot and will not get the owners to break, there will be some sort of cap, whether that is a soft or hard cap nobody knows. If the players do not come to a resolution with the owners by the summer of 2005 then I see some sort of other league opening up, or the players may just choose to stay over seas and play until a league eventually emerges in North America. The NHL was already thin on fans in certain regions of North America, but now they will wear very thin in southern states and such cities where hockey is not very popular. "They (NHL franchises) are going to be hurting when they come back -- they were hurting before the lockout, with a fan base that is thinning out," said Andrew Zimbalist, an economics professor at Smith College who studies economic trends in American sports. "They're alienating a large part of the small fan base they already have.” Even if the NHL comes out from what would be the first full season closing of any major North American pro sports league ever."They're playing with fire, which isn't a good idea for a sport that skates on ice," Zimbalist said. The NHL has not really built a good market outside of the northeast of the United States and southeast Canada, there are scattered areas across North America of course that love hockey, but there just aren’t enough of them, and a strike is going to kill the casual fan. "Eventually the league will play hockey again, and the spectators and the viewers will come back," Neal Pilson, the former CBS Sports president said. Meetings between the league and the players ended with no progress creating rumors that the NHL commissioner Gary Bettman will cancel the 2004-2005 season as early as February 14th. Bettman said a labor deal was needed by this weekend so each team could play a 28 game schedule before the playoffs. "The sad thing is the players don't seem to understand that if the season is canceled, their deal is going to be diminished. They're not going to get a better deal a year from now," Pilson said. "The league is going to be in a weaker position, so it's a huge miscalculation on their part that they can increase their bargaining position by refusing any discussion on a hard salary cap." It is probably best to just cancel the season now. The NHL would probably end up further distancing itself from the decreasing fan base by trying to start a season that's ruined now, they are better off just canceling the season as they try to solve this mess.

I like the free market type of system, but something needs to be done so that one team does not beat out everyone else, and does not overspend to bring in any big name that they chose. High spending teams are successful because they pull out their check book, they have hurt teams in the league by setting ridiculous standards of pay rates for top players without even thinking about what they may do to the game. Without a forced salary cap on money spent, the owners can spend whatever they want and every other team in the league must try and catchup o those standards. A salary cap is needed much more now in the MLB, the players seem to be signing larger contracts each year, and every year that goes by the price of all star players goes up. A salary cap in sports is needed to maintain the great competitiveness of sports going strong.

[Slipknot]

Hahaha, I see how so many people loved my essay. My newest essay was supposed to be on my "perfect day", based off of the book "Tuesday's With Morrie"...



October 20, 2004 is the most perfect day of all. Game seven of the American League Championship Series was an amazing day. Watching the Boston Red Sox finally beat there greatest rivals the New York Yankees in a seven game series. After the amazing victory the celebration ensued in the streets of Boston. From October 20, 2004 to October 27, 2004 was the best week of my life.

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 was a day that I will always remember. Driving home from work at nine o’clock listening to the game on the radio. It is the second inning, suddenly Johnny Damon hitting a grand slam home run is echoing across the airwaves. Luckily and surprisingly I didn’t get into a car accident over the joy I felt after hearing this, I yelled and shouted driving down the road and even honked the horn by accident. I had just left work and that was a very pleasant sound to come hear when there is no working radio inside your work to know what is going on in the game. I got home, and watched the Red Sox do something no team has ever done before in the history of Major League Baseball, come back from being down three games to none and win the series.

After I returned home from work the Red Sox were leading six to two. I could not help but picture the Red Sox in the World Series. I tried my hardest a Red Sox fan to not do such things because of the long and disappointing seasons that had come before, particularly last year when we lost game seven to the same team after a eleventh inning walk off home run. I sat wondering when the Yankees would make there eventual comeback, but there was something different about this year. This year would not be like last year, Derek Lowe shut the Yankees down. He allowed only one hit through six innings, but when Lowe left the game I saw my worst fears become a possibility in the seventh inning. The Yankees scored two runs cutting the lead to only three runs. Although, once again, this year was different. The Red Sox fought back showing there resiliency that they have shown throughout the 2004 season, they would not accept anything less than a shot to win a World Series championship. Mark Bellhorn came through in the eighth inning hitting a home run to secure the win for the 2004 Boston Red Sox.

Once the final out was recorded in game seven of the American Championship Series I could finally relax, the stress was gone and then happiness could show, and happy I was. My friends immediately called me after the game was over and we celebrated over the phone along with celebrating with my family. We watched David Ortiz be presented with the series MVP award along with the American League Championship Series trophy being presented to the Red Sox management and players. After that I went over one of my friends houses for a couple of hours to watch the celebration in Boston and to really just celebrate ourselves. At that point it really started to sink in that we are going to the World Series and that we have a legitimate chance to win it all. We considered going into Boston for the celebration but decided not to because we really didn’t want to go through the trouble of going that far for what would not be a whole lot of time there. We watched crazy and drunk fans destroy things, it was weird to see such a celebration. Around two o’clock in the morning I headed home and called it a perfect night.

“There have been so many great Red Sox teams and players who would have tasted World Series champagne if it wasn’t for the Yankees. Guys in ‘49, ‘78, and us last year. Now that we’ve won, this is for them.” Theo Epstein said. “We can put that behinds us and move on to the World Series and take care of that.” The Boston Red Sox advanced to the World Series and swept the St. Louis Cardinals in four games. The Red Sox won eight games in a row from October 17 to October 27, being the best 10 day stretch ever in playoff history. From October 20 to October 27 the Red Sox won game seven of the American League Championship Series beating the Yankees along with winning the World Series, that being the best week ever. But when breaking it all down, the perfect day, the best day, has to be on that Wednesday on October 20, 2004 when the Red Sox did the unthinkable coming back to win four straight against the New York Yankees.

[Illchill]

Alrite peepz, let's get this thread back up. Now that the spam threads are gone, we can move up the charts of the largest threads (not counting the game-spam ones with the rating things).

With baseball season back, a hot football off-season, and the stretch run in the NBA, we should have plenty to talk about.


Right now I am watching probably the only Spring Training game this year which is the Sox/Yankees.

Good news for me, my best friend's dad's good friend just happens to be Shawn Wooten, and he covertly snuck his way into the Sox and will probably make the team. If he does, tix for me probably.:):)

[Dark Donnie]

Shawn Wooten, name sounds familiar. Where did he play last year?

[Illchill]

He played with ANA for 4 years I believe and won the WS with them. He barely played for the Phillies last year.

[Dark Donnie]

He played with ANA for 4 years I believe and won the WS with them. He barely played for the Phillies last year.
I know him from the Phils!

[Illchill]

Wow. Strange news here.

Rick Ankiel, the 'wild thing' from the Cardinals, is now a full-time OF and batter. Hah, thats good stuff right there.

[Dark Donnie]

Wow. Strange news here.

Rick Ankiel, the 'wild thing' from the Cardinals, is now a full-time OF and batter. Hah, thats good stuff right there.
I saw that, why even bother!

[Nero_Ordin]

I have a feeling the Patriots aren't going to be good anymore.

[Dark Donnie]

I have a feeling the Patriots aren't going to be good anymore.
why do you say that?

[Spidergurl4302]

i dont think there going to win the superbowl again but i think they still are going to have a good season

[eat aliens]

I have a feeling the Patriots aren't going to be good anymore.

They'll still be good for a long time to come. It'll be damn hard to win another superbowl for a third year in a row, but they're still going to be a good team.

[Spidergurl4302]

ya because they won one without Ty Law, their DBs coach is the defensive coordinator now and he did wonders with all those injuries, Weis was overrated and those are what everyone calls the "key-losses" so far

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well I wanted to create a new Pro Sports thread for more than just the Big 3 sports in general to be discussed but I found this one. So I'll just post some thoughts here.


Who is the MOST hated figure in all of sports? Your thoughts?

[Slipknot]

Who is the MOST hated figure in all of sports? Your thoughts?
NBA: Ron Artest
NFL: Terrell Owens
NHL: Todd Bertuzzi
MLB: Barry Bonds

Terrell Owens tops the list... but I'm pretty sure I hate his agent more. Although Bonds comes in a close second.

[Brodie The Wise]

I dont' hate peopel I don't know.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

NBA: Ron Artest
NFL: Terrell Owens
NHL: Todd Bertuzzi
MLB: Barry Bonds

Terrell Owens tops the list... but I'm pretty sure I hate his agent more. Although Bonds comes in a close second.

Not a bad list but you were too short sighted in your thinking. I was just reffering to sports in general and not just the 4 major sports in america. I would have to say on a global scale there are players hated far more than the ones you above mention.

As for the NFL, I would say Drew Rosenhouse is by far the most hated individual in that sport.

Overall I would have to say Don King, pretty much everyone associated with boxing in any facet hates that guy.

[StorminNorman]

I am very strange, I like Owens and Bonds, Artest is very hard to like though.

The person I hate the most in sports is Kellen Winslow II, from his solider comment to being a complete waist to his team and franchise.

[Slipknot]

Not a bad list but you were too short sighted in your thinking. I was just reffering to sports in general and not just the 4 major sports in america. I would have to say on a global scale there are players hated far more than the ones you above mention.
Yeah... but I don't care who the biggest ass is in Football (Soccer), Golf, Car racing, or Boxing. The sports are alright... but I don't watch them enough to reallly make a fair judgement on who I hate the most. I just chose to break it down by each major sport in the United States because I watch all of the sports and I know all of the players. If I wanted to mention who is the most hated person that has anything to do with sports (like owners, agents, etc.) then I would have far too long of a list. Quite a few owners would be on it.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

THat's why I just asked for the most hated figure in all of sports. It has to b DOn King, that guy is just plain evil.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Does anyone think Atheletes are overpaid? What about college sports? Should they be paid? Or at the very least be allowed to sign endorsment contracts?

[Alpha and Omega]

Does anyone think Atheletes are overpaid? What about college sports? Should they be paid? Or at the very least be allowed to sign endorsment contracts?

Superstar athletes in every major american sport are definitely overpaid.

I think colleges should grant players w/ a living allowance (the equivalent of a part time job). It would help players whose families could not afford to spring for a more comfortable experience. I don't think this amount should be exhorbitant, but depending on the player's circumstances.

I feel this way esp. for Div.1 football and basketball players. Their programs earn the major universities millions in funding, and they really don't receive much of a thank you. (Unless they're one out of over a hundred thousand student athletes to go pro in their respective sport.)

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Superstar athletes in every major american sport are definitely overpaid.

I think colleges should grant players w/ a living allowance (the equivalent of a part time job). It would help players whose families could not afford to spring for a more comfortable experience. I don't think this amount should be exhorbitant, but depending on the player's circumstances.

I feel this way esp. for Div.1 football and basketball players. Their programs earn the major universities millions in funding, and they really don't receive much of a thank you. (Unless they're one out of over a hundred thousand student athletes to go pro in their respective sport.)

I used to think they were overpaid, now I don't thnk so. Well at least with the way this country works. But where else is the money going to go? The owners? The League? The major corporations that have investments in major sports? I would rather have it go to an individual that most of the time does not come from a wealthy background or up bringing.

As for college athelets I feel a very similar way. Billions of dollars are dumped into college sports, and how much money do the student athelets see back? $0 or if anything they get perdium, which I am sure can be no more than a few hundred dollars a week at the top schools. So where do those billions of dollars go? Right back into the schools. Do they need some of the money to continue their programs, sure but I would be willing to bet they take in far more money than what goes back into their Atheletic programs.

But the big problem with that is that athelets are already taught at a young age, if you are exceptional you are allowed to break the laws. Which by the time they reach a big time college program or the pros they have been taught that value for so long that they feel at it still applies. Most recently Isiah "JR" Rider kidnapping and assaulting a female compaion. But that is as much socities fault as it is the sport programs that instill these false values in our atheletes.

As for college endorsements, I say if Nike, Adidas etc. wants to endorse a college athelet because they are talented enough, let them. If they never go pro at least they are able to earn some kind of money before they have to get a real job and hopefully can invest it wisely.

IMHO

[Alpha and Omega]

I hope most student athletes use their scholarships to get an education; if they're prudent, they realize that pro-sports are for a select few.

Earlier, I meant that Superstar athletes make astounding quantities of money. The less than average players can make six figures or even less in some cases.

Hey, what JR Rider incident were you refering to?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I hope most student athletes use their scholarships to get an education; if they're prudent, they realize that pro-sports are for a select few.

Earlier, I meant that Superstar athletes make astounding quantities of money. The less than average players can make six figures or even less in some cases.

Hey, what JR Rider incident were you refering to?

The most recent one. 1-2 weeks ago, took place in Marin CA

[Alpha and Omega]

The most recent one. 1-2 weeks ago, took place in Marin CA

What? Wow, I really haven't paid that much attention to the "extra-cirricular" activities of players lately.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

What? Wow, I really haven't paid that much attention to the "extra-cirricular" activities of players lately.

I just happend to catch it on ESPN, they didn't really say much about it. It was in the ticker at the bottom.

[Mister J]

Rider was arrested for allegedly kidnapping a female acquaintance.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Did anyone see the Toney vs. Rahman fight last night? Man lights out came out looking like a fat ass.

[C-$]

Did anyone see the Toney vs. Rahman fight last night? Man lights out came out looking like a fat ass.


How in the world was that fight a draw? I wanted Toney to win, but I think Rahman should of won.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah but scoring boxing fights is always controversial. I mean if you go with who was the primary agressor, Rahman easily won the majority. If you go with who landed more punches overall he also won, but if you go by % Toney won. If you go by who caused more damage to their opponet, visually Toney also won. If count who looked to be in better physical shape and condition and who took the fight more serious Rahman won.

I see your point but I also see how it could have been a draw. Boxing is just too far ****ed now anyway IMHO.

[da creole kid]

Toney deserved to lose, but Rahman didn't deserve to win. They made the right decision.

[Assassin32]

Rahman should have got the decision. And, even though it was a draw, I'm not looking forward to a rematch. It's all about the Welterweights, anyway. I hope the winners of Judah-Mayweather and De La Hoya-Mayorga fight later this year.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Jimmy Rolins extends his hitting streak to 38 games tonight.

Do you think it should count if he breaks Dimaggio's record? If he carries it over from last season should he get an *? Is it in his advantage to get the rest? Or is it in his disadvantage to have to start off fresh and not be hot?

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Iverson trade, how do you guys feel?

Warriors Trade how do you feel about it?

[Ben Urich]

Damn, this thread is old. :wow:

So far, the Iverson trade hasn't worked out for the Nuggets. If memory serves, they're 4-12 since the deal, which isn't great at all. We won't know for sure how well the Nuggets did once Carmelo Anthony comes back from his suspension.

The Sixers got what they wanted - veterans with expiring contracts - but they're only marginally better for it. Face it: they're trying to enter the Greg Oden Sweepstakes. It's going to be a long next couple of years for Philadelphians.

The Warriors got the better part of the deal with Indiana. Al Harrington is a good scorer who can also play any frontcourt position and Stephen Jackson can pour in 20+ points if he's hot. The other two players - Sarunas Jasikevicius and Josh Powell - were throw-ins and will not impact the rotation.

The Pacers, on the other hand, get Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy, two overpaid role players who give very little offensively and even less defensively. On top of that, Murphy has a bum foot. The real X-Factor in this deal is Ike Diogu, who could develop into a decent post presence to complement Jermaine O'Neal. Keith McLeod will not crack the rotation in Indiana.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Damn, this thread is old. :wow:

So far, the Iverson trade hasn't worked out for the Nuggets. If memory serves, they're 4-12 since the deal, which isn't great at all. We won't know for sure how well the Nuggets did once Carmelo Anthony comes back from his suspension.

The Sixers got what they wanted - veterans with expiring contracts - but they're only marginally better for it. Face it: they're trying to enter the Greg Oden Sweepstakes. It's going to be a long next couple of years for Philadelphians.

The Warriors got the better part of the deal with Indiana. Al Harrington is a good scorer who can also play any frontcourt position and Stephen Jackson can pour in 20+ points if he's hot. The other two players - Sarunas Jasikevicius and Josh Powell - were throw-ins and will not impact the rotation.

The Pacers, on the other hand, get Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy, two overpaid role players who give very little offensively and even less defensively. On top of that, Murphy has a bum foot. The real X-Factor in this deal is Ike Diogu, who could develop into a decent post presence to complement Jermaine O'Neal. Keith McLeod will not crack the rotation in Indiana.

Dunleavy was a little over paid with his stats last season but was very solid, as for this season damn I am dissapointed.

Dunleavy, will thrive, mark my words he will. Although he was not working out in the Golden state so it was time for him to move on. As for Diogu, if you put his numbers into 48 mins per game, he was the best statistically on the Warriors, I think his numbers come out to something like 22ppg and 11rpg.

But sadly he did not fit into Nelly's system.

[Illchill]

Damn, this thread is old. :wow:




Hellz yes!!!!!

I haven't been to the Hype in years, yet I return to see my baby number 16 on the post count in the whole Community Forum.

Well now that we've established I am still a loser, how about Mike Vick? Would you still keep him if you are ATL's front-office? Would you trade him for Moss and a pick?

I feel he's still the guy for the organization with the right coach. Give him one more year with this new guy, then talk about the trades.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yeah another year, but then again he hasn't got much done there so far. He would probably fit better in another system.

[Illchill]

I say give him to Brady and make him the best wide-out Brady has had :o

[Ben Urich]

What do you guys think about fans voting players into All-Star games? The NBA released the results of the fan vote, which determines the starting lineups, yesterday and there are some glaring mistakes:

+ Steve Nash, the reigning MVP two years running and the best player on the league's best team is not starting.
+ Dirk Nowitzki, the best player on the second-best team in the league, is not starting.
+ Shaquille O'Neal, who had only played in 4 games prior to the ballots being counted, is starting.

Do you guys see a problem with that? Or is it cool with you? :huh:

[Illchill]

I think its ridiculous, but who the hell else should vote them in?

Writers? We see the controversy in the Hall of Fame selections all of the time. Maybe they should simply balance the players vote with the peoples vote more equally.

I mean seriously, Shaq? SHAQ?!

[Ben Urich]

Michael Wilbon suggested on PTI today that fans should be allowed to vote in 2 starters from each conference and the coaches would pick the rest of the team.

[Illchill]

No that's not enough players for the fans. There are always f'ing snubs in these damn games, but they seem to get worse every time. I heard Nash may just sit out the All-Star game if he didnt get voted as a starter, but I can't remember where I heard it from.

[Badger]

What do you guys think about fans voting players into All-Star games? The NBA released the results of the fan vote, which determines the starting lineups, yesterday and there are some glaring mistakes:

+ Steve Nash, the reigning MVP two years running and the best player on the league's best team is not starting.
+ Dirk Nowitzki, the best player on the second-best team in the league, is not starting.
+ Shaquille O'Neal, who had only played in 4 games prior to the ballots being counted, is starting.

Do you guys see a problem with that? Or is it cool with you? :huh:

NBA All-Star Voting is a joke. Not that the other leagues are all that good either, but this seems like annual problem with the NBA

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I think it should be a mix, 25% based on fan votes, 25% based on writers and 25% based on player votes 25% based on the coaches votes.

[Ben Urich]

NBA All-Star Voting is a joke. Not that the other leagues are all that good either, but this seems like annual problem with the NBA

I think the presence of international players has a lot to do with the disparity.

Yao's teammates on the Houston Rockets tend to get a disproportionate amount of votes because basketball fans in China are naturally biased toward that team. Case and point: Houston Rocket Shane Battier finished 5th among Western Conference forwards with 1,025,643 votes; Shawn Marion of the Suns finished behind Battier with 551,173 votes despite the fact that he bests Battier in nearly every major statistical category.

And although Toronto's Chris Bosh is certainly an All-Star-caliber player, he should not have been named a starter over Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal or Washington's Caron Butler. However, Bosh is the best player on Canada's only team, and consequently received a disproportionate amount of votes.

[Fran]

This thread intrigues me.

Continue, please.

[Badger]

I think the presence of international players has a lot to do with the disparity.

Yao's teammates on the Houston Rockets tend to get a disproportionate amount of votes because basketball fans in China are naturally biased toward that team. Case and point: Houston Rocket Shane Battier finished 5th among Western Conference forwards with 1,025,643 votes; Shawn Marion of the Suns finished behind Battier with 551,173 votes despite the fact that he bests Battier in nearly every major statistical category.

And although Toronto's Chris Bosh is certainly an All-Star-caliber player, he should not have been named a starter over Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal or Washington's Caron Butler. However, Bosh is the best player on Canada's only team, and consequently received a disproportionate amount of votes.

Excellent point, but on top of that the NBA is a favorites league. A lot of NBA fans have a player and not a team, and no matter what that player does they'll get their vote.

[Mister J]

I don't see the big deal over the voting. The starters have always been the result of a popularity contest among the more visible stars (at least as far as I can remember). The coaches and Commissioner do a pretty good job in selecting the reserves and filling injury spots. The league has long said that it's the 'fan's game' and don't have any plans to change the voting format.

It's funny that people get bothered by All-Star selections when it's a pure fan vote for a meaningless exhibition game, but you hardly ever hear any gripes about the results for the All-NBA teams, which is actually based on merit.

[Ben Urich]

Excellent point, but on top of that the NBA is a favorites league. A lot of NBA fans have a player and not a team, and no matter what that player does they'll get their vote.

The fact that the league says "Vote for your favorite players!" - not "the best" or "the most deserving," but favorite - only exacerbates the problem.

[Illchill]

In the end, I think we complain a bit too much. We just need to understand that it is and will always be a fans game for the fans. I just wish there was some more deserving guys.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

In the end, I think we complain a bit too much. We just need to understand that it is and will always be a fans game for the fans. I just wish there was some more deserving guys.


Yeah stupid fans....I don't mind the popular votes but guys like Shaq or Vince Carter several years back shouldn't even be on the ballot. I mean In both cases the guys played 0-10 games at most before the all-star break. I mean seriously that is what is ridiculous.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

On another note, in the NBA 2006-2007 thread I was expressing my disgust with how the Warriors play up to good competition and down to lousy competition.

Which made me think about how NBA players in gerneral don't really seem to care. I mean players in the NCAA obviously have a lot more motivation and incentive to play as hard as they can and give 100% all the time.

Where as NBA players, at least a lot of them seem to only put in enough effort some or most of the time and put in a lot if the game is close or coming to an end.

I'm not saying all or most, but a lot seem to display an overall lack of heart or motivation. I was thinking that maybe this could be changed by having all contracts based on incentives. Of course this leads to a few problems, mainly by the players being big cry babies.

But if you take pride in your work and work ethic what is the problem? You can base a players contract on so many items that there are plenty of areas for them to earn big time cash.

Take the top contract from the pervious year and add 10% for the following season that way you always have an escalating pay rate.

Obviously one problem would be minutes played, which coaches could easily be told by the owners to limit certain players time on the court to decrease their salary. But that could be easily countered by basing it off of rebounds averaged out per minute, points averaged out per minute and etc.

I don't know I just think it would provide more of an incentive for players to try and earn their money.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Has anyone seen the OJ Mayo incident, read or even heard about it?

That is some bullsheet and the ref, Lazo should never be allowed to ref again anywhere for the rest of his life.

Links if you don't know what I am talking about. I hope Mayo's appeal wins because if it doesn't what high school athelete is safe from another such bogus frame?

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=aw-mayo013107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Tangled Web]

Mayo shoud have walked off the court after his second T. I would have been afraid too if I was the ref, I mean, OJ did have that incident where he assaulted a female student.

He even wears 32 to draw more comparissons with his idol. :whatever:

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Mayo shoud have walked off the court after his second T. I would have been afraid too if I was the ref, I mean, OJ did have that incident where he assaulted a female student.

He even wears 32 to draw more comparissons with his idol. :whatever:

Regardless the ref is in the wrong and was/is trying to make Mayo look like Ron Artest or Dennis Rodman. It would have been the smarter thing for him to walk off the court after his second tech, but I would have done the same thing.

For simply walking by the opposing players and giving a glare he gets a T? I would want an explanation as well.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well I don't know why, but this thread always seems to have trouble staying alive. Maybe this topic will keep it alive for a little longer, but we'll see.

So what major sport records do you guys think will never be broken? I mean there are many sports that could be included, swimming, soccer, golf, weight lifting, poker, etc. but let's be honest here in America (no offense to people form other countries, I am sure it goes both ways) the majority of sport fans here only care about a few baseball, basketball, football and even some of those (boxing) are losing their relavance in our culture.

But there are always those that we covet as the pinnacle, or records that will never be broken or can't. One that usually comes to mind is Wilt's 100 points in a single game, but twice last year Kobe showed that it may be more possible than we may have before thought. He once scored 63 in three quarters against Dallas and then sat the fourth. Then he dropped 81 points on the Raptors.

Sure he still needed 19 more points to tie Wilt, but if he scored just an extra 5 points per quarter he would have 101, so it may be less out of reach than we thought.

On that note, I'm curious what records do you guys think are unbreakable, or close to it? Which ones are more out of reach than others? It's a topic my friends and I have once in an while, usually spured on by a Sportscenter mentioning of this player setting that mark or this player attaining this achievement. Then they go on to talk about this record will never be broken or that, but they always seem to forget certain ones, which I really don't get why not.

Well here is my list, sorry for the rant. Feel free to throw in any sport you want, I'm open to hear different recrods.


1. Joe Demaggio's 56 game (same season) hit streak....reason, anyone that knows baseball knows that it's hard enough just to hit the ball, getting a hit for 56 straight games (roughly 70 days) is one demanding task.

2. Wilt Chamberlin's single season 50.4 ppg avg....I'm not even going to justify this one, the next closest since with or without modern rules, shot clock and three seconds in the key, MJ with 37.1 ppg avg. then he realised he needed to get everyone else involved and won six rings. Nuff said.

3. Rickery Henderson's career stoeln base record 1406....this record I don't feel gets enough love. The next closest is Lou Brock with 938, active player, Kenny Lofton with 601, then Bonds 510, Biggio 410, o. Vizquel 367 (all of these players will be done in the next 5 years or less). That's 70 stoeln bases a year for 20 years. There are only two or three players right now that steal that many or even come close. It's not happening, as my friend puts it, it's a lost art.

4. Pete Rose Career 4,256 hits....Ichiro get roughly 200-250 hits a year, he would have to do that for 20 years to catch Pete, but Ichiro came into the league already having several years under his belt, as do all players from Japan.

5. Joe Louis 12 year reign as Heavyweight Champ of the World...let's face it, boxing is so shoddy now, especially in the Heavyweight division, I am surprised when someone holds the title for more than 12 months at a time. He may not have been undefeated, but the guy fought over a whole decade and didn't lose.

6. Jerry Rice's Career 22,895 receiving yards...second place, Tim Brown, 14,934. Sure Marvin has a great chance at catching him, but at 35 at the start of the next season, can he really play for 5 more years and avg. 1,840 yards each of those five? The most he has ever had is 1,722. Or 10 more years at 920, but play until he is 45? Harrison is probably going to come as close as anyone else to breaking that record, but he's not going to.

7. Wilt Chamberlin 27.2 rpg avg....yes it's the ol 20K man himself, sure he was only competeing against Bill Russell at the time and no shot clock nor 3 in the key but damn, the next closest with modern rules. Dennis Rodman 19.9 rpg.

8. "Pistol" Pete Maravich's 44.2 ppg career avg. NCAA..sure it's college, but hey we will never see this record come close to being broken.

9. Nolan Ryan Career 5,714 strike outs....next two closest, Clemens with 4,604 then Johnson with 4,544. So even if they average 250 a year, they need to do that for 5 more years and that's being very generous to them both.

10. Mike Tyson...youngest Heavyweight Champ 20 years old and 4 months....sure Tyson is a side show attraction now, but you had to respect and fear him when he was on top. The kid was "dynamite".


Well that is my top 10 for now. I will get back to this and re-evaluate it. Maybe add some Hockey, Golf and Tennis, maybe track and field. But that should be a good starting point for now. I feel kind of iffy about some of the older records, Chamberlin's scoring and such. Rules have changed and the playing field is a lot more close to even than it was 50 or 100 years ago when there was only one Babe Ruth or one Wilt Chamberlin.

[NewYorkSpider]

Cy Young's 511 wins will never be broken.

[Mister J]

I don't think anyone else will ever get to second place on that list (417 - Walter Johnson).

[cyborg ninja 14]

Has anyone seen the OJ Mayo incident, read or even heard about it?

That is some bullsheet and the ref, Lazo should never be allowed to ref again anywhere for the rest of his life.

Links if you don't know what I am talking about. I hope Mayo's appeal wins because if it doesn't what high school athelete is safe from another such bogus frame?

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=aw-mayo013107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Everything about Oj Mayo screams "T.O!" only much worse:dry:
Needless to say I will enjoy his brutal conquest of USC and beyond, in addition to that he just might make Skip Bayless's head explode:up:

[Mister J]

I know Mayo is only 18 or 19 or whatever, but he strikes me as a real ass. That nonsense (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RKoXNToOnk) he pulled in his last game was ridiculous. A lot of what I've read or seen of him just screams 'shameless self-promoter'. :whatever:

[cyborg ninja 14]

I know Mayo is only 18 or 19 or whatever, but he strikes me as a real ass. That nonsense (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RKoXNToOnk) he pulled in his last game was ridiculous. A lot of what I've read or seen of him just screams 'shameless self-promoter'. :whatever:

You read the New York Times (I'm pretty sure it was that one) article about Tim Floyd and his bizzare conversations with Mayo and his agent? It's as if he's a product of the "My Super Sweet Sixteen" populus.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Cy Young's 511 wins will never be broken.

Agreed, not to mention the single season Wins record, something like 35. Ridiculous.

[Mister J]

You read the New York Times (I'm pretty sure it was that one) article about Tim Floyd and his bizzare conversations with Mayo and his agent? It's as if he's a product of the "My Super Sweet Sixteen" populus.
I didn't read the article, but I believe I caught some of the information relay. Some nonsense about Mayo refusing to give the coach his cell number "You don't contact OJ. OJ will contact you". :whatever:

That and some other nonsense about him wanting to go to LA to market himself for the NBA. This ****er needs to get over himself. He may be extremely talented, but this kid seems like a real ass.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So this seems to get brought from time to time and is still a huge debate and hot topic.

Should collegiate Atheletes get paid? Why or why not? Are they being exploited? What about the colleges and networks that are making billions, yes billions of dollars off of these students?

Then they get in trouble if they are offered any type of help what so ever either in monetary form or financially.

[Venom'sDad]

Course, they are being exploited. :dry:

[Steve Rogers]

I'm not sure about the topic of this thread exactly, but I am a home town team loyalist. It's all about the Bruins, the Celtics, the Patriots, and the Red Sox for me.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

The topic of this thread is pretty simple. It's for sports talk in general. But no one here seems to like sports very much. That and it stays limited to their own respective threads. Such as the NFL 2007 thread or NBA 2006-2007 thread.

All other sports talk doesn't seem to last very long at all.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Not sure if anyone watches First and Ten on ESPN or not. But did anyone see yesterday's episode with Skip Bayless calling Brett Farve's last minute pass a corner route?

I mean serisouly, I know Skip says a lot of **** just to get people riled up but come the **** on you *******. It's painfully obvious it's a Hail Mary. Not only that he says it hits donald driver in the hands when it clearly hits the bears defender in the hands and driver has to try to pull it away from him.

Skip is an *******.

[ROOR]

Not sure if anyone watches First and Ten on ESPN or not. But did anyone see yesterday's episode with Skip Bayless calling Brett Farve's last minute pass a corner route?

I mean serisouly, I know Skip says a lot of **** just to get people riled up but come the **** on you *******. It's painfully obvious it's a Hail Mary. Not only that he says it hits donald driver in the hands when it clearly hits the bears defender in the hands and driver has to try to pull it away from him.

Skip is an *******.

Yeah I saw that, yeah Skip is an *******. What I want to know, is when he's so blatantly wrong why they had to drag it out over so much of the show. It was OBVIOUSLY a hail mary, and it doesn't take an expert to realize that. Sometimes the First Take producers give him a little bit too much room to work with.

[Immortalfire]

8. "Pistol" Pete Maravich's 44.2 ppg career avg. NCAA..sure it's college, but hey we will never see this record come close to being broken.

9. Nolan Ryan Career 5,714 strike outs....next two closest, Clemens with 4,604 then Johnson with 4,544. So even if they average 250 a year, they need to do that for 5 more years and that's being very generous to them both.


http://www.cyber-cinema.com/classic/Untouchables.jpg

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Okay I know this is a sports thread but hardly anyone ever checks it out anyway. But this was on ESPN First and 10 so I'll get right to it.

Skip Bayless is trying to say that Eminem might be or is better than Rakim or Public Enemy?

Shut the **** up Skip.

[cookiva]

Ok, Im going to say it once and for all. Skip Bayless is what is wrong with sports media. He is the stupidest person on ESPN, and should be taken out back old yeller style.

[Jerry!]

They need him to make everyone else look smart.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I seriously think he is on there because he doesn't care what he says, he will say the craziest most outlandish **** and back it up to the fullest.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Here's another topic concerning the greatest of all time. A lot of people are saying how Roger Federer (sp) will become the best tennis player of all time and is going to surpass Pete Sampras' record of Grand Slam titles.

No doubt he will surpass the title. But I have a hard time saying he will go down as the best of all time. I may be somewhat partial and bias towards Pete, but I do truly feel that when he did play the competition level was much higher than it is today.

Not to take anything away from Federer, he is amazing. There is no question about that, and go down as one of the greatest ever. Without question. But Pete was a machine, the guy would play until he cramped, threw up and to the point of exhaustion.

Federer has never been pushed that far to the point of breaking. I mean really who are his threats? Nadal and the other youngster, can't remember his name.

Some could argue that the competition level isn't that much lower Federer is just that much better.

But a similar comparison can be made in the NBA today, the teams of the 80's and 90's were far better than the teams of today.

Same goes with tennis, the players of Sampras' era were much better than the players of today.

Plus you can not measure the intangibles, and Sampras had them spades. I think it would probably be the best match up ever.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Is Tiger Woods the most dominant athlete ever?

[Hush]

No.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Why not?

Who is? MJ? Ali? Tyson? Federer? Sampras?

[Hush]

Wayne Gretzky, Joe Montana etc. There will never be a most dominate athlete cause every generation brings the next prodigy.

[Superman79]

Shouldn't this be in the "Sports" forums???

[Hush]

well its been here for 141 pages so i mean you think there going to move it now? if they did that would be so silly.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well this is an old thread that I was clinging onto for dear life when there was no sports forum. :up: :D I would always try to revive it every few months but it hardly ever lasted.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Wayne Gretzky, Joe Montana etc. There will never be a most dominate athlete cause every generation brings the next prodigy.


That's debatable though. There are always comparisons one could make to others in their respective sports.

[Hush]

True but you said the and i quote " Most dominate athlete ever" when there are plenty of other guys out there that are better "athletes" than him. Don't you hate that i took that literally. ;)

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

No not really. Just thought I would bring it up since ESPN seems to be all about Tiger lately.

I am just sort of playing devil's advocate.

I mean on the one hand I do see how dominant Tiger is right now and has been throughout his career.

But as Skip says (damn I hate agreeing with him) where is his competition?

There are no Arnold Palmers, Jack Nickalus', Lee Treveno's and so on.

Same with Roger Federer, I don't think he is better than Pete Sampras ever was, he has no where near the same level of competition as Pete did when he was playing.

[Superman79]

well its been here for 141 pages so i mean you think there going to move it now? if they did that would be so silly.

I'm not complaining...just curious.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Yes you are, you're complaining, stop complaining! :D

[Hush]

Oh I see. Yeah well I just feel like Athlete is defined by someone who does more than play golf or tennis. You know? A survey done by ESPN a couple of years ago showed Hockey players as the most in shap athletes of all sports with Soccer comming in 2nd. Personally I see decathlon runners as the best of all time.

[Hush]

I'm not complaining...just curious.

Why dont you just complain some more! Jeez!..........by the way im joking.

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Oh I see. Yeah well I just feel like Athlete is defined by someone who does more than play golf or tennis. You know? A survey done by ESPN a couple of years ago showed Hockey players as the most in shap athletes of all sports with Soccer comming in 2nd. Personally I see decathlon runners as the best of all time.

Well to be honest sport can be just about anything. That is of course very debatable which I am not going to get into because I don't think NASCAR is a sport, Golf on the other hand ehhh that one is very, very on the fence for me.

IMHO I say a sport is defined by requiring a skill level that takes time over years of dedication to achieve, a fitness level that is of equal requirement and there must be an opposition present from other athlete's that can change, affect or stop the outcome or attempts from the other athletes directly.

So no machines, and even sports like track & Field, gymnastics and the like don't fit the description because even though an athlete may be competing against others, they can't actually stop them, they just have to put up better numbers or times.

Tennis, is most certainly a sport.

[Hush]

I agree with you on that totally. Oh and I can't believe this got moved.