Sports debate.

[The Green Goblin]

Touchdown Jets...

[Illchill]

Nice game so far....

[stevey L]

i root for the team coached by spurrier. GOO GATORS beat the evil hurricanes.

[Illchill]

That is a TD for the Skins.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by wareagle
Jets

Course I have been known to be wrong... from time to time. :o

At least its a pretty good game.

[Soundwave]

How in the hell does Paul Hackett keep his job? I could have called plays better than that. On 3rd and 9, you do not call a 5 yard out. It was ridiculous! It is going to be a long year for Jet fans.

[The Green Goblin]

Hackett has had a couple of stints as a head coach and failed miserably (Pittsburgh, USC). He's supposed to be an offensive genius. :rolleyes: In fairness, though, I don't think the immobile Testaverde fits his style as well as Pennington.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

MLB post-season awards, anybody?

N.L. Cy Young: Mark Prior. Call me a biased Cubs fan, because I am. Chances are Russ Ortiz will finish with the most wins in the league, but he'll also finish with an ERA nearly a point and a half higher. I see Prior finishing around 17-5, an ERA under 2.40, and third in the league in strike outs.

A.L. Cy Young: Esteban Loaiza. Cut and dry.

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N.L. MVP: Albert Pujols. Just incredible numbers around the board. If Bonds wins again, I'll be sick.

A.L. MVP: Bret Boone. You heard me. Another case of solid numbers around the board for a contending team. A-Rod obviously has the best numbers in the league, but the award is for the player most valuable to his team. Rodriguez is real valuable collecting his $20 M paycheck and sitting in fourth place, eh?

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N.L. RotY: Dontrell Willis. He's hit a skid, but I think he'll recover down the stretch when it becomes do or die time in the wildcard race. Plus, there's just a lack of real solid rookies in the N.L.

A.L. RotY: Hideki Matsui. Best numbers for a rookie, plain and simple. If you don't think he should win it due to him transferring from another proffesional league, I direct you to Bobby Valentine's comments on the situation from yesterday's Sportscenter.

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N.L. Manager of the Year: Dusty Baker. Taking the "loveable loser" Cubbies from a team far below .500 every year since '98, to being 6 games above .500 and contending for the Central title is enough to get the plaque.

A.L. Manager of the Year: Tony Pena. For similar reasons as Dusty.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
MLB post-season awards, anybody?

N.L. Cy Young: Mark Prior. Call me a biased Cubs fan, because I am. Chances are Russ Ortiz will finish with the most wins in the league, but he'll also finish with an ERA nearly a point and a half higher. I see Prior finishing around 17-5, an ERA under 2.40, and third in the league in strike outs.

A.L. Cy Young: Esteban Loaiza. Cut and dry.

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N.L. MVP: Albert Pujols. Just incredible numbers around the board. If Bonds wins again, I'll be sick.

A.L. MVP: Bret Boone. You heard me. Another case of solid numbers around the board for a contending team. A-Rod obviously has the best numbers in the league, but the award is for the player most valuable to his team. Rodriguez is real valuable collecting his $20 M paycheck and sitting in fourth place, eh?

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N.L. RotY: Dontrell Willis. He's hit a skid, but I think he'll recover down the stretch when it becomes do or die time in the wildcard race. Plus, there's just a lack of real solid rookies in the N.L.

A.L. RotY: Hideki Matsui. Best numbers for a rookie, plain and simple. If you don't think he should win it due to him transferring from another proffesional league, I direct you to Bobby Valentine's comments on the situation from yesterday's Sportscenter.

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N.L. Manager of the Year: Dusty Baker. Taking the "loveable loser" Cubbies from a team far below .500 every year since '98, to being 6 games above .500 and contending for the Central title is enough to get the plaque.

A.L. Manager of the Year: Tony Pena. For similar reasons as Dusty.

I agree on the Cy Youngs, but I give Bonds win the MVP easily.This only reaosn his numbers for this year are so underrated, is becasue he had such incomparable seaosn the last 2 years.I also agree on Boone, but only by an eyelash.I don;t think it the MVP for his a guy's value for his team however.The Cards are in no way only in the thick of the playoff race cuz of Puljos only.I think I have to give Webb the NL ROTY and not Matsui becasue he shouldn't be eligable.I didn't see when Valenitine expalined that on SC though, so could some1 tell me what he said?I give McKeon the NL Manager of Year, and Pena the AL part.

[Illchill]

It's one of those debates that seems practically as suitable for a U.N. Security Council meeting as a Baseball Writers Association of America meeting. But it's a debate that doesn't want to go away.

The question is simple: Should a player from Japan be allowed to win the Rookie of the Year Award?


Hideki Matsui is in his first season in the majors after playing 10 years in Japan.


The answer isn't simple. Even now. Even after Hideo Nomo and Ichiro Suzuki and Kazuhiro Sasaki have already crossed the ocean and won their very own Rookie of the Year trophies. Even as we prepare to give another one to Hideki Matsui.

We've been thinking about this question for eight years, since the arrival of Nomo and the Nomo-mania that followed. But we've been thinking about it almost nonstop since a conversation that arose a month and a half ago, at the All-Star Game.

That night, we sat with a friend, surveying the players on the field and asking each other the following burning question: "How many players in this All-Star Game are going to the Hall of Fame?"

We were going along fine. Then we got to one name that caused the conversation to veer in a whole different direction: Ichiro.

If we look at Ichiro as just your typical guy playing his third year in the big leagues, it is way too early to assess him, no matter how great he has been for two years and five months. It takes a decade of greatness -- at least -- before you should even start having that discussion. About anybody.

But our argument that night is that it would be almost insulting to the Japanese to look at Ichiro's nine astonishing seasons in Japan as the equivalent of nine years in the Frontier League or the New York-Penn League or even the Pacific Coast League.

The lowest Ichiro ever hit, in nine seasons in Japan, was .342. He won a batting title and a Gold Glove in every one of his last seven seasons there. He was a three-time MVP. He was about as dominating as any player can be in any league.

So when we look at his Hall of Fame chances, should we just ignore all that? Act like it never happened? Pretend that, just because it didn't take place on our side of the Pacific, it didn't count?

Sorry. Can't do that. This guy is an amazing baseball player, in any language, any culture, any league, any continent.

"I agree with that," says his one-time manager, Lou Piniella. "I understand that currently, when people vote (on the Hall of Fame), they look mainly at what a player has done in this country. But at the same time, with a player like Ichiro, what he did over there is part of his resume."

Hey, you bet it is. So we would argue that we need to take all of Ichiro's brilliance -- national and international -- into account whenever it comes time to decide whether he's a Hall of Famer. We've seen enough players from Japan come here to play now to know that that isn't glorified Wiffle Ball they're playing over there.

It's time we start treating Japanese baseball for what it is -- a third "major" league. It would be a farce to adopt that stance just to keep foreign players from being the Rookie of the Year. We should adopt it to respect and honor the accomplishments of the Ichiros, the Matsuis and the Nomos in Japan -- in every way.

But that leads to the next logical question: If we take Japanese baseball that seriously, that we're willing to consider it in the context of Hall of Fame credentials, how can we then ignore it when we consider a player's Rookie of the Year credentials?

"To be honest," says Piniella, "I agree with that, too. Look, when Ichiro played for me in Seattle, obviously I wanted him to win the (Rookie of the Year) award. But almost from Day 1 in spring training, we knew we weren't dealing with your typical rookie. We were dealing with a highly experienced, professional player.

"Let's just say," Piniella chuckled, "we didn't really have to teach him much."

Right. And let's just say that over in The Bronx, Joe Torre hasn't had to teach Godzilla Matsui much, either. Which is fine. We have no problem with the Yankees signing Matsui. We have no complaint about how much they paid him. We have no issue with seeing him start in the All-Star Game.

Our only issue is this: How can we call this guy a "rookie?"

By the rules, he is. We don't dispute that. But in reality, he isn't. How can anybody dispute that?

Piniella now manages in Tampa Bay, where his center fielder is Rocco Baldelli. Baldelli is on pace to join only Al Kaline and A-Rod and become just the third player since World War II to get at least 192 hits in a season since age 21. But thanks to Matsui, Baldelli has two chances to win this Rookie of the Year Award: slim and minute.

If there were some other rookie out there who was rampaging along toward 20 homers, 110 RBI, 45 doubles and a .350 on-base percentage, that would be one thing.

But the guy doing that (Matsui) came to the plate 3,000 times in Japan before Baldelli played his first game -- in high school.

So Piniella now sees this issue from a whole different vista. He now admits that even when he was lobbying for Ichiro to win the Rookie of the year Award in Seattle two years ago, he had "mixed feelings." But clearly, they're getting less mixed all the time.

"It's unfair," Piniella says. "It's unfair to our kid -- or any kid in any organization who's coming out of our minor-league system in this country. When you talk about players like Ichiro and Matsui, you're talking about guys who are much, more farther along in their experience and development than our kids over here. It takes these kids three, four, five years to catch up with the guys from Japan, from a standpoint of experience and development."


But for Baldelli, Jody Gerut, Angel Berroa and Mark Teixeira, there won't be any second chances at a Rookie of the Year Award in three, four, five years. They get one shot. And that shot is now.

Hey, the rules are the rules. And the rules right now say that Matsui is a rookie just like they are. So we have no choice but to evaluate and vote that way. But it's time to start thinking about changing the rules, because it's clear this issue isn't just some brief phase in baseball history that's going to hang around a few years and then vanish.

"We're just going to have more of an influx," Piniella says. "If we have a Japanese player who comes over here every year, he's going to win the Rookie of the Year Award (every year)."

And was that the intent when this award was created? Heck, no. So it's time for everybody to start thinking about either creating split awards to honor "international rookies" in some different way, or to redefine what this award is.

At the moment, since we can't count on having a Japanese player -- or eight -- arriving in the big leagues every year, creating a new award probably isn't realistic. Down the road, that can change.

But for now, it's time we start treating Japanese baseball for what it is -- a third "major" league. It would be a farce to adopt that stance just to keep foreign players from being the Rookie of the Year. We should adopt it to respect and honor the accomplishments of the Ichiros, the Matsuis and the Nomos in Japan -- in every way.

Those accomplishments, those stats belong in their listings in the baseball encyclopedias and registers. Those feats should be part of those players' credentials when we consider their Hall of Fame worthiness. And all we ask, as we lend them that respect, is that it means they shouldn't be eligible for Rookie of the Year awards.

If that's the way this issue is handled, it should be clear to everyone that it's not an insult to the Japanese to disqualify them as "rookies." It's a show of respect -- nothing more, nothing less.

And we're prepared to offer Ichiro a Hall of Fame vote some day just to prove we mean every word of that.



Jayson Stark from ESPN.

[stevey L]

u copied and pasted an entire article? It's Matsui's first year in MLB, I think that's enough to qualify him as a rookie. If their's a guy who's been in, for example, the RED's farm system for 5 years, he is 25 years old, he get's called up and get's a roster spot and play's an entire season. Although the guy has been playing 1-AA ball for 5 years, does that mean he should be disqualified from getting the rookie of the year honors? I dont think so, and the fact that these japanese players have been playing in a much inferior league for a long time shouldn't disquaily them neither.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by Illchill
I didn't see when Valenitine expalined that on SC though, so could some1 tell me what he said?

He brought up the fact that the first ever Rookie of the Year—Jackie Robinson—was the same age as Matsui is now(28), and he too transferred from another professional league(the Negro leagues). So, as far as I see it, if you're not going to let Matsui(or whoever) have the rookie of the year trophie because of those circumstances, then Jackie Robinson ever winning the award should be swiped from the records. And of course no one wants that.

Stark makes some good points, though. It really isn't fair to some of the younger players have exceptional years, but Matsui is facing all these pitchers for the first time just like every other rookie.

[Illchill]

Good points, both of you...

[stevey L]

illchill you dont think that matsui deserves the rookie of the year honors rite......perhaps some bitterness towards a yankee player?

[Illchill]

No, I just truthfully don't think he should be eligable.I have a lotta respect for the Yanks players and their talent, but if I go to a Yanks-Sox game, I am still yellin YANKEES SUCK!

[stevey L]

Illchill:"No, I just truthfully don't think he should be eligable.I have a lotta respect for the Yanks players and their talent....."

After reading that I was about to say what a Unique Red Sock Fan you are...and then i read the rest. W/e it all good, i know some other yankee haters that have that same opionion as you that's why i asked.

[Illchill]

I have top say YANKEES SUCK man, I'll get jumped at Fenway.

[stevey L]

HAHHA, well another beating the yankees take.....they will NOT make it past the second round of the playoffs, i called this in may.

[The Kingpin]

Originally posted by stevey L
Illchill:"No, I just truthfully don't think he should be eligable.I have a lotta respect for the Yanks players and their talent....."

After reading that I was about to say what a Unique Red Sock Fan you are...and then i read the rest. W/e it all good, i know some other yankee haters that have that same opionion as you that's why i asked.


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:o

[The Kingpin]

Originally posted by stevey L
HAHHA, well another beating the yankees take.....they will NOT make it past the second round of the playoffs, i called this in may.


Oh they will make it past then

[kypade]

yes, they will. :)

[The Kingpin]

I dont like the yanks i just know they always gert alot better during the playoffs

[The Kingpin]

My fantasy football team that i most follow is this


QB-either Collins or Warner(if he does good)
RB-Faulk and Green
WR-Harrison and Stallworth/Wayne
DEF-TB
TE-Gonzo
K-Akers

[Illchill]

I ahev Collins as my SHHFL Fantasy QB.

[kypade]

Originally posted by The Kingpin
I dont like the yanks i just know they always gert alot better during the playoffs same here, only l do like the Yanks. :)

[stevey L]

I'm a Yankee fan, but they dont have the pitching. They turn it "on" in the playoffs? I guess the power was out last year?

[The Kingpin]

I have trent green :D

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by The Kingpin

K-Akers

David "Green" Akers... best kicker in the game. ;)

As far as how far the Yankees will go in the Playoffs, it depends a lot if they finish with the best record or not. As usual, the A's are really hot right now. If they finish with the best record in the A.L., they're face whoever the wildcard team is(either Seattle or Boston), and the Yanks will face whoever wins the Central. I think the Yanks can beat the central winner, but I think they'll fall short if they face the wildcard. And I still predict A's over the Braves in World Series. :)

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by stevey L
I'm a Yankee fan, but they dont have the pitching. They turn it "on" in the playoffs? I guess the power was out last year?

I think they have the starting pitching, but not the releif pitching. In the Yanks' dominant days a few years ago, you had Nelson, Stanton and Rivera as 3 of the top releivers in the game. Mo' is having a bad season, Stanton's on the other side of town, but atleast you guys just got Nelson back. Like I said, I think it will come down to who they face, and not the performence of their pitching staff.

[The Green Goblin]

How can you guys talk baseball? Its football season baby!

LOL, I lost my heart after the Braves' 2nd Series loss to the Yankees. :mad: ;) :D

Best team in baseball indeed. :rolleyes:

And nobody talkin' Cubbies? In contention after the allstar break? Its end of days! :eek:

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by wareagle
How can you guys talk baseball? Its football season baby!

Meh, I'm not much a college football fan, so Football season really only starts for me this Sunday. And if you want to be picky, football season doesn't start until monday for me, due to the Eagles/Bucs on MNF.

That leaves us a little time to talk about the close races in baseball. :)


And nobody talkin' Cubbies? In contention after the allstar break? Its end of days!

I mentioned the situation a bit while talking about post-season awards. Whether they make the playoffs or not, I'm proud of them. It looks like many years to come will be dominated by our young pitching—Prior, Wood, Clement, Zambrano, Cruz. The numbers Sammy is putting up is unremarkable considering the time he missed due to injuries and suspensions. Alou is playing real well. All of our Pittsburgh acquisitions we made(Lofton, Simon, Ramirez) are playing better than you could have asked them to. Lofton finally gives the team a real solid, textbook lead off hitter—something they've needed for years. The bullpenn has its ups and downs, but we've gotten consistently good outtings from guys like Remlinger and Farnsworth. So yeah, I'm proud of my Cubbies.

I'm going to end my post here, because I'm completely stoned and I don't want to make more of an ass of myself.

[Illchill]

Sox spanked Yanks.Again Steinbrenner throws a tantrum....

[stevey L]

we're talkin bout baseball only cause baseball's greatest rivalry had a series this weekend.

TONITE though...O bOY, Gators vs. Hurricanes......dam, that is going to be a sweet game......UPSET please!

any 1 watching nalbandianv. roddick? it's insane....

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Illchill
Sox spanked Yanks.Again Steinbrenner throws a tantrum....

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by stevey L

TONITE though...O bOY, Gators vs. Hurricanes......dam, that is going to be a sweet game......UPSET please!


LOL, guess your a gator.

And it was a hell of a game. At least the "lizards" covered. ;)

[Illchill]

Alreayd College Football is hot, some pretty good games.That cath by I think it was a guy on the Buck-eys, where he batted it up on the goal line an caought it, was awesome.

[stevey L]

GRRRRRR, those dam CANES, it was a heck of game. I was a supporter of Ron Zook and Ed Zaunbraker, but after last night...I'm now a supporter of their removal. Ingle Martin 7-10 1 td 115 yrds, here's a question WHY WAS HE TAKEN OUT OF THE GAME? Here's Zooks idea of a comeback, let's put our true freshman(albeit great) out there and Let's Force him to do the same play 3 times in a drive, geez was he expecting that to work every TIME..???

[Illchill]

Nothing to comment about after today!!??

[Pirateking]

ENGLAND!




Sorry! The power compelled me!

[Pirateking]

Won at Football, Rugby and took at commanding lead in the cricket!





Will wonders never cease?

[stevey L]

Red Sox and Patriots lost, i bet u had a grand time illchill.

[Illchill]

I was actually in Boston all day, but I stopped in a sports place and saw the scores.We were havin fun, so I didn't pay much attention.

[Soundwave]

How about those Auburn Tigers!!!!!!!!!!

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Soundwave
How about those Auburn Tigers!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't rub it in. :batman:

Need a new offensive coordinator, QB and O-Line. :mad:

[stevey L]

Auburn was supposed to be the team that snuck into the national championship....well atleast they can make it to the New orleans bowl! I got V.tech, Okla, Kansas st. Ohio st., Top 4

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by stevey L
Auburn was supposed to be the team that snuck into the national championship....well atleast they can make it to the New orleans bowl! I got V.tech, Okla, Kansas st. Ohio st., Top 4

Ouch! Not the Weedeater bowl! More like the toilet bowl at this point. :batman:

Hey Stevo, I see you have OK ahead of K state now. Change your mind?. ;) :p :D

My Top 5 (right now)

1Oklahoma
2 Michigan
3 Florida State
4 Georgia
5 Ohio State

[stevey L]

o i didn't have them ranked in any particular order, BUT

i will
Virgin. Tech.
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Ohio State.

Oklahoma just really dissapointed me last year, and i just dont think they are better than other 2 teams....but Virgina tech, and kansas State dont impress me that much either. Those three could be switched around, in any way, cept with okla number 1.

[Illchill]

Illchill bumperoozki.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Illchill get on AIM

in other news who wins the Cy young and MVP's of Baseball?

AL cy young- Esteban Loaiza

NL cy young- Gagne dammit!

NL MVP- Bonds? Pujols? Gagne?

AL MVP- um...

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by stevey L
o i didn't have them ranked in any particular order, BUT

i will
Virgin. Tech.
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Ohio State.

Oklahoma just really dissapointed me last year, and i just dont think they are better than other 2 teams....but Virgina tech, and kansas State dont impress me that much either. Those three could be switched around, in any way, cept with okla number 1.

Alot of it , as you know, comes down to schedule. Va Tech has the Canes at home, if they can win that one, might be Sugar Bowl.

[stevey L]

Yeah, i know entire season rest's on that game for V tech if of course they are still undefeated.

Al MVP-.......Jason Giambi, ye probably not

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by cyborg ninja 14
Illchill get on AIM

in other news who wins the Cy young and MVP's of Baseball?

AL cy young- Esteban Loaiza

NL cy young- Gagne dammit!

NL MVP- Bonds? Pujols? Gagne?

AL MVP- um...

I already posted my thoughts on this, but I'll reply anyway.

AL Cy- Esteban Loaiza

NL Cy- Mark Prior

NL MVP- Winnie the Pujols

AL MVP- Bret Boone

No offense, but I've always balked at the suggestion of giving an award to a releiver. There's an award for being a releiver; it's called getting a roster spot on a Major League team and doing 1/9th the work of everyone else. While I'm at it, giving Thomas the AL MVP would be an abomination of the game. MVP's should be multi-dimensional; great leaders, great hitters, great fielders. Great leader, and great fielder, those are two things you won't see on Frank Thomas' resume. DH's don't deserve the MVP, in my humble opinion.

[stevey L]

Gagne will not get the MVP......Al cy young,....andy pettitte

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi

No offense, but I've always balked at the suggestion of giving an award to a releiver. There's an award for being a releiver; it's called getting a roster spot on a Major League team and doing 1/9th the work of everyone else.

I see your point, but if you subtract the number of games the Dodgers have won this year with Gagne saves and there is a dramitic differential. Plus he has to be nearly perfect everytime he goes out there because its usually a one-run save.

[Soundwave]

Just give A-rod the AL MVP. They owe it to him for ripping him off last year.

If I were voting I'd give it to Frank Thomas. He has the most RBI since the All-Star break and he has had some big hits for this team. He's a big reason why they have the best record in the league since the All-star break.

I'd give NL MVP to Bonds. It has been proven that no one else is more important to their team than he is. THey hit like a Triple A team when he is not in the lineup. Plus he has put up incredible numbers again.

NL Cy Young - Eric Gagne. He's been the most dominant pitcher this year, even if it is for one inning at a time.

AL Cy Young - Esteban Loaiza. It is his to lose. WHat helps him is that he's pitching in a pennant race and Halladay is not, so if Loaiza keeps putting up these kind of numbers under pressure, he should win it.

AL manager of the year - Tony Pena
NL manager of the year - Jack McKeon

[MC-117]

But u gotta realize that Loaiza gots his bullpen to help him out. Halladay is out there every 3 nights by himself knowing that if he dont finish it no one will. He deserves the Cy Young and i hope he gets it.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by MC-117
But u gotta realize that Loaiza gots his bullpen to help him out. Halladay is out there every 3 nights by himself knowing that if he dont finish it no one will. He deserves the Cy Young and i hope he gets it.

Oh please:rolleyes: Loaiza is the reason that the White Sox are in a pennate race, plus his numbers are a little better than Halladay's:o

[MC-117]

Originally posted by cyborg ninja 14
Oh please:rolleyes: Loaiza is the reason that the White Sox are in a pennate race, plus his numbers are a little better than Halladay's:o

Dont give me this bulll**** bout Loaiza being the reason for the White Sox being in the pennate race, Halladay's been through some rough times and bounced back he deserves the Cy Young and he's going to get it.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by MC-117
Dont give me this bulll**** bout Loaiza being the reason for the White Sox being in the pennate race, Halladay's been through some rough times and bounced back he deserves the Cy Young and he's going to get it.

Lets test your argument with some stats shall we?

Esteban Loaiza

IP- 197.2
H- 170
R- 59
ER- 57
HR- 15
BB- 44
SO- 176
W 19
L 6
OBA .231
ERA 2.60


Roy Halladay

IP- 234.0
H- 229
R- 103
ER- 89
HR- 25
BB- 29
SO- 177
W 19
L 6
OBA .251
ERA 3.42


Looking at that they may have the same record but Loaiza beats him in almost everything shown here. The one that stands out is the ERA, 2.60 to 3.42 makes him superior:o And that thing about how Halladay is on his own? well if the Jays were a contending team then he wouldnt have that problem now would he?:o

[Illchill]

If I were to give it to Halladay then I would only because I put a lot on IP and CG, which is why I can't give anything except Rolainds Relief man award to Gagne.That 10-inning shutout, whihc was the 1st since Jack Morris' in the World Series in '91 for the Twins, was fantastic.

[Illchill]

Also, it is pretty much the BoSox fan in me speaking, but comparing the numbers of Pedro and those 2 stack up pretty good, except for Pedro's injury which cost him like 4 starts and his piece of crap called a 'bullpen".

[Soundwave]

yeah the bullpen cost Pedro 5 wins earlier in the season.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Soundwave
yeah the bullpen cost Pedro 5 wins earlier in the season.

at least....

[Illchill]

Pats win.Eagles lose.:DJamal breaks record.Bulger shows his stuff.Bucs lose.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

:mad:


:(

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
Pats win.Eagles lose.:DJamal breaks record.Bulger shows his stuff.Bucs lose.

You missed: Miami beat Jets at Giants Stadium and Oakland can't hit the spread for their lives.

[Illchill]

;)

[TheCheshireCat]

w00t w00t!

[Jay1/2Dub]

Niners lost cause of Cedric Wilson!!! :mad: :mad:

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Jay1/2Dub
Niners lost cause of Cedric Wilson!!! :mad: :mad:

No one cares :o

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
No one cares :o

Why you so mean?? :(

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Jay1/2Dub
Why you so mean?? :(

Because I just am.

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Because I just am.

:mad: :(

[Illchill]

Chris Carter is gettin honored....

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
:mad:


:(

How... how could y'all let friggin' Tom Brady throw 3 touchdown passes. :mad:

Guess the same way the Falcons could blow a 17-0 lead on the Redskins. :o

:mad: :batman:

[TheCheshireCat]

The Falcons + Philly probably just cost me the $60 picks game we're having at school. ****ing bastards

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by wareagle
How... how could y'all let friggin' Tom Brady throw 3 touchdown passes. :mad:

Guess the same way the Falcons could blow a 17-0 lead on the Redskins. :o

:mad: :batman:

Sigh, our defense is beat up. Brian Dawkins(best safety in the game :o) is out two to six weeks, Bobby Taylor is out for a few weeks, Derrick Burgess, Brandon Whiting, Jamal Green, Jerome McDougle, all out for varying lengths... Lito Sheppard, the replacement for Taylor, got lit up for two of those touchdowns. The depth that Reid and co. had supposedly been setting in place looked like **** tonight. :(

Hopefully next week's bye will give the Eagles time to heal up, as well as make Donovan realize that he's being paid way too much money to turn the ball over 5 times. Sigh, tough two weeks. :(

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
The Falcons + Philly probably just cost me the $60 picks game we're having at school. ****ing bastards

...and you think Miami's loss to the Texans in week 1 didn't hurt all of us? :mad:

;)

[MasterBates]

All that matters is my Bills are good again.

De La Hoya lost.

Michigan beat Notre Dames.

And Pujols is the best hitter in the league, but since the Cardinals pitching staff gets hurt EVERY, SINGLE FREAKIN YEAR, they will go nowhere.

:)

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
The Falcons + Philly probably just cost me the $60 picks game we're having at school. ****ing bastards

Well just goes to show ya "Smiley",ya shouldn't be up to the "devil's business" at school. :p ;) :D

[Captain America]

Did anyone else just burst out laughing at the ending score to Carolina/Tampa?

:D

[Illchill]

Sox still in wildcard lead, though just .5 game, which doesnt count, but if u dont wanna count half games, then they are still tied with games remaining with Tampa Bay and Baltimore.

[Soundwave]

Memo to Dave Campo and Butch Davis: If a team is starting a rookie qb for his second career start and their best offensive player is their running back, please put 8 men at the line of scrimmage to take away the running game and let the rookie beat you with his arm.

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by Captain America
Did anyone else just burst out laughing at the ending score to Carolina/Tampa?

:D



I don't think I've ever seen an extra point where 4 people had a chance to block it. Tampa's special teams were horrible and it cost them the game.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Memo to Dave Campo and Butch Davis: If a team is starting a rookie qb for his second career start and their best offensive player is their running back, please put 8 men at the line of scrimmage to take away the running game and let the rookie beat you with his arm.

Good point. ;)

[Illchill]

It is home strecth time for the Fenway Faithful, and all the tight race teams.....

[Illchill]

Giants/Cowboys, who wins?

[PoAnTimRSexi]

I've got Giants. I'm 9-6 in picks so far this week, lets make it 10-6. Even though I hate those Gints. :(

[Assassin32]

Originally posted by MasterBates
De La Hoya lost.

That's what the judges said. De La Hoya didn't lose, he "lost".:rolleyes: :mad:

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by wareagle
Well just goes to show ya "Smiley",ya shouldn't be up to the "devil's business" at school. :p ;) :D

Bah shows you, I tied for first, but NY is losing which isn't good =(

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Bah shows you, I tied for first, but NY is losing which isn't good =(

LOL, I think your still leading the SSH pick em though. ;)

[Illchill]

Well quite a game last night I hear.....

[Illchill]

Sox 2 1/2 up in wildcard:D

[Illchill]

Here's an incredible stat. Barry Bonds is hitting .000 with runners on second and third this season. It's true. ... OK, OK, OK. So he's 0-for-1 with 15 walks.

From SI.com :eek:

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by wareagle
LOL, I think your still leading the SSH pick em though. ;)

Damn straight. As it should be and will continue to be :p

[Illchill]

Well, Miami is facin Dolphins Sunday, and since I am a Pats fan it is a win-win, but also a lose-lose.I would rathe rhave Miami win as Buffalo probably wont lose 2 many games anyways.Miami however has some bigger weaknesses.As long as Ricky, my main fantasy guy, does stellar, I don't care who wins.

[The Green Goblin]

Funny, how a Fantasy League can influence who you root for. :D

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by wareagle
Funny, how a Fantasy League can influence who you root for. :D

It's so true, last week I actually clapped when Santana Moss caught that TD against the Dolphins. I wanted to kill myself but I really needed the Fantasy Points...and I still ****ing lost :(

[TheCheshireCat]

What do you guys think about the Denver Oakland game?

[MasterBates]

If Porter plays, Oakland wins by a hair.

If not, Denver wins.

Oakland seems to be missing something(besides Rod Woodson, and Jerry Porter i.e. one of the BEST Wideouts in the league) this year.

But when it's a rivalry(like this game), games can usually go either way, despite who the normally better team usually is.

Hope that made some sense.

Oh, and go Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Illchill]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
What do you guys think about the Denver Oakland game?

I think Denver can/will do it.

[TheCheshireCat]

So you think Denver would be the better bet? Bet as in with money

[Illchill]

Pats will beat Jets.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
So you think Denver would be the better bet? Bet as in with money

They should be... but....

THe Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrraiders are or used to be the winningest team on Monday Night Football. Where's it at?

[eat aliens]

Originally posted by Illchill
Pats will beat Jets.

Pats should wup Jets :)

[Assassin32]

Originally posted by Illchill
I think Denver can/will do it.

Remember when they played against each other on Monday night last year? Remember when Gannon picked the Denver defense apart for some ridiculous passing stats(something like 30-34 300+ yards and 3 TD passes)? He even broke an NFL record for consecutive completed passes, with 21. Remember all that? It's going to happen again.;)

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Assassin32
Remember when they played against each other on Monday night last year? Remember when Gannon picked the Denver defense apart for some ridiculous passing stats(something like 30-34 300+ yards and 3 TD passes)? He even broke an NFL record for consecutive completed passes, with 21. Remember all that? It's going to happen again.;)

Remeber when the pats beat the raiders in the playoffs of 2001?Remember all that?It's going to happen again;)




Sry, I just had to mention that...

[Illchill]

BTW, Red Sox magic # is 7:)

[T/bones]

Nice. I fellow Sox fan. World Series all the way.

[Illchill]

Yep

[dmcnx]

Yankees...

[Illchill]

Sox.

[Assassin32]

Originally posted by Illchill
Remeber when the pats beat the raiders in the playoffs of 2001?Remember all that?It's going to happen again;)

The Patriots didn't beat the Raiders, the refs did.

[Illchill]

You keep thinking that.

[Hyper]

On Thursday I found out that I had heart surgery in the same hospital Gary Sheffield went after he got shot. I feel so proud. :)

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Illchill
Remeber when the pats beat the raiders in the playoffs of 2001?Remember all that?It's going to happen again;)


*Scooby laugh* :D

Lots of upsets in college football today...

[Illchill]

How was the games today?I wasn't in all day.

[The Green Goblin]

Well... Arizona beat the Packers and the Browns upset the 49ers... and yes, your Pats won Ill. ;)

[Illchill]

Yep yep, all tru:D

[Illchill]

And of course the Sox magic # is now 6.

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by wareagle
the Browns upset the 49ers

:mad: :mad: :( :(

[The Green Goblin]

Braves won 12th div title in a row... *YAWN*

And only one World Series Title. :rolleyes:

[PoAnTimRSexi]

I'm 8-4 in picks thus far not... not too bad.

Good day for the Cubs... they beat the Bucs 4-1; Prior pitched a gem. With that, the Phils(:(), Marlins and 'Stros all lost, so the Cubs gained ground in the Central and Wild Card races.

I'm also waiting to receive $5 and bragging rights from a sports-nut friend of mine who called me a nimrod for picking the Twins to win the A.L. Central. He assured me that the White Sox were a "lock." Who's the nimrod now? ;)

[Illchill]

Again I must say, go red sox.

[The Green Goblin]

Broncos? or Raiders?

[Illchill]

Horsies.

[The Green Goblin]

I kinda figure too. Oakland pulled their pants down and spanked their arses last year.

[thanos27]

yankees rule , who cares abt 12 division titles if u cant win it all .

yankees 4 ws wins in 5 yrs in the world series 5 out of last 6 years / thats called dominance weather u like it or not like them or not . d y n a s t y

[PoAnTimRSexi]

A bit of a gripe...

How come Jim Thome is getting absolutely no MVP consideration? The guy is facing half these pitchers for the first time ever, and has nearly single handedly brought the Phils into Playoff contention. Pat Burrell has had a horrible year, thus the only real offensive threat besides Thome has been Abreu. Bonds has just about as much—if not better—a supporting cast. And Pujols, he has Edmonds, Rolan, Renteria, etc.

When comparing offensive stats between Thome and Bonds(who I am now considering the top candidate, as the Cardinals are close to being eliminated, and Edmonds and Rolan limit Pujols' credentials), the only stats that Bonds has the upper hand in are Slugging, OBP and Average; all mostly due to the fact that Bonds walks so damn much, thus giving him a lot less accounted at bats. That raises his OBP and Average, and having high offensive numbers with so little accounted AB's raises his slugging.

Thome has 44 homeruns, 126 RBI's, 149 hits, and he's batting .268. How he can get no consideration, I'll never know. What I do know, though, is that now that he's getting accustomed to N.L. pitchers—look out.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Oh, and I've got Denver taking advantage of a wounded Oakland secondary and getting the W.

Rod Smith and Shannon Sharpe should have good games, since the fact that Portis is still ailing may face Shanahan to go to the air more often.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
A bit of a gripe...

How come Jim Thome is getting absolutely no MVP consideration? The guy is facing half these pitchers for the first time ever, and has nearly single handedly brought the Phils into Playoff contention. Pat Burrell has had a horrible year, thus the only real offensive threat besides Thome has been Abreu. Bonds has just about as much—if not better—a supporting cast. And Pujols, he has Edmonds, Rolan, Renteria, etc.

When comparing offensive stats between Thome and Bonds(who I am now considering the top candidate, as the Cardinals are close to being eliminated, and Edmonds and Rolan limit Pujols' credentials), the only stats that Bonds has the upper hand in are Slugging, OBP and Average; all mostly due to the fact that Bonds walks so damn much, thus giving him a lot less accounted at bats. That raises his OBP and Average, and having high offensive numbers with so little accounted AB's raises his slugging.

Thome has 44 homeruns, 126 RBI's, 149 hits, and he's batting .268. How he can get no consideration, I'll never know. What I do know, though, is that now that he's getting accustomed to N.L. pitchers—look out.

You think YOU got it bad?Pedro better win the Cy Young, he is the best pitcher in the AL and better than Hallady definately.I am no taking any thing away from Halladay, but he doesnt lead the league in K's despite all these extra innings pitched than Pedro, and now that Pedro is allowed to go as long as he'd like, he's showin even more what he can do.Plus, he is in the AL Wildcard champions team if things hold up, while Toronto hasnt been in the chase for quite a while.Pedro has a 5-6 less wins, but the ERA is a DRAMATIC difference, as is the OBA.


About Thome, as good as he is, he can't be getting any considerations cuz he isnt better than Bonds, and lookit his strikeouts man!Bonds is such a dominant player, I can't give any NL guys consideration.In the AL it is different, and between Manny and A-Rod in my opinion.Manny probably won't win since, even though his team is such a contender, Mueller and Nomar will also split Sox fans' vote.A-Rod has better bad average compared to Manny's, but his homers numbers will tip the odds in his favor, depite hitting for Texas.

[stevey L]

either mussina, pettite, or pedro is gettin the cy young. I aint bein biased, i think yankees gonna lose 2nd round of playoffs...especially if they face boston.

[Illchill]

Yea, they havent been very immune to the Sox bats...

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by stevey L
either mussina, pettite, or pedro is gettin the cy young. I aint bein biased, i think yankees gonna lose 2nd round of playoffs...especially if they face boston.

Mussina and Pettite haven't even been slightly mentioned for Cy consideration, as far as I've seen. Are they worthy of winning it? Yes. But these awards tend to have a final "class" a few weeks before the end of the season. And the "class" for the AL Cy Young is Esteban Loaiza, Roy Halladay and Pedro Martinez. I'm still expecting to see Loaiza win it. Not saying I want him to win it, but he probably will.

Also, its pretty much a lock that *if* Boston makes the playoffs, they'll play the Yankees in the opening round of the Playoffs. It will be pretty hard for the Yankees to not finish with the best record in the A.L.

[Illchill]

No, the Sox will face the A's.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by Illchill
No, the Sox will face the A's.

Yeah, I forgot about the same division rule. :(

[Hyper]

How come Javy Lopez ain't getting any consideration either 42 home runs and ove 100 rbi, I know he probably doesn't deserve it as much as other guys, but at least give him consideration damn it. :mad: :mad: :(

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Hyper
How come Javy Lopez ain't getting any consideration either 42 home runs and ove 100 rbi, I know he probably doesn't deserve it as much as other guys, but at least give him consideration damn it. :mad: :mad: :(

Well since EVERYONE on the Braves gets alot of home runs and RBI's its hard to say hes an MVP.

[Illchill]

Again, he can get consideration for one of the ebst players in the league, but he can NOT get consideration for the best when he is clearly not.

[ThunderBird]

Cujo isn't going anywhere just yet. He's out with a bad ankle until sometime in November. Plus the Leafs already have Belfour they don't need another high priced goalie,Colorado on the other hand may need someone with his experience

[Illchill]

WHOOOOO!!!Todd Walker just hit a game tying, full count, 2 out, 3 run homer in the bottom of the 9th.

[Illchill]

And Wood did fantastic.

[Illchill]

DAVID ORTIZ GOES OVER HTE MONSTER!

SOX WIN! SOX WIN!

[stevey L]

and the yankees won the al east for the 6th straight year....

[Assassin32]

The A's clinched the West!!! WHOOO HOOO!!!

[batnkevlar]

Hey, who likes rugby? I do, I play winger for my team in Southern California. In my opinion, rugby's better than football. But, then again, that's my opinion.

[Illchill]

But the Sox won, nuthin else matters in baseball.

[T/bones]

Color me the biggest dumbass on earth, but the Yankess supposedly clinched the AL East last night with their 98th win, yet the Red Sox can still win 98 games provided they win out. Wouldn't the Yankees need that 99th win to clinch. I've been following baseball for years, and this makes no sense.
As it stands now, if the Yankees lost their last 5 games, and the Sox won their last 5, it ould be a tie (granted it won't happen). This is true at this very moment.

Doesn't matter anyway, though. Sox will be wrapping up the wild card tonight or tommorow. Then it's world series time for them, as long as the bullpen holds up.

[Illchill]

Kim is startin to do good, btu we cant use him in ALC, presuming Yanks/Red Sox advance to it.

[BatmansIronFist]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Oh, and I've got Denver taking advantage of a wounded Oakland secondary and getting the W.

Rod Smith and Shannon Sharpe should have good games, since the fact that Portis is still ailing may face Shanahan to go to the air more often.


yeah and they used jake plummers injury to there advantage, strange as it sounds but true it was a good game


BOO YAH!

[Illchill]

The Sox will wait another night to clinch.

[Mr.White]

Yes we just need one more win, One... more.... win....

[Illchill]

First time since '99 brother

We'll do it! Hopefully it'll be a Sox/Cubs series.

[Illchill]

Whut the...???Why is this thread rated a 1?

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Illchill
First time since '99 brother

We'll do it! Hopefully it'll be a Sox/Cubs series.

LOL, THat would be cool.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by Illchill


We'll do it! Hopefully it'll be a Sox/Cubs series.

Now that the Phils have basically ****ed themselves in the asses, that's what I'll be rooting for. I've been a Cubs fan for about 7 years now, and the last time they were in the playoffs it was done in 3 days. I think they have the rotation and a strong enough line-up to go deep into the playoffs. And to be honest, I'd much rather see the Red Sox go than the Yankees. :o

[Illchill]

Well, it'd be the best two parks in the majors as well...

[Illchill]

AL MVP

1. Alex Rodriguez, Rangers
2. Jorge Posada, Yankees
3. Carlos Beltran, Royals
4. Carlos Delgado, Blue Jays
5. Bret Boone, Mariners
6. Nomar Garciaparra, Red Sox
7. Miguel Tejada, Athletics
8. Magglio Ordonez, White Sox
9. Vernon Wells, Blue Jays
10. Bill Mueller, Red Sox

NL MVP

Any chance Albert Pujols had of wresting the award from Barry Bonds slipped away with St. Louis' September fade and Pujols' own troubles in big games against the Cubs and Astros. Bonds is the definitive MVP. He makes everyone around him better while putting up historic on-base and slugging percentages. His two walkoff homers against the Braves in late-August were legendary stuff.

1. Barry Bonds, Giants
2. Albert Pujols, Cardinals
3. Gary Sheffield, Braves
4. Jim Thome, Phillies
5. Javy Lopez, Braves
6. Mike Lowell, Marlins
7. Jeff Bagwell, Astros
8. Luis Gonzalez, Diamondbacks
9. Todd Helton, Rockies
10. Eric Gagne, Dodgers

AL Cy Young Award

Roy Halladay of the Blue Jays was the most dominating pitcher in the league over six months, and the right-hander gets the edge over Pedro Martinez of Boston because of the disparity in innings pitched. Hallday should win the award unanimously, despite his ridiculous ejection last week against Tampa Bay. Esteban Loaiza seemed to have the award in his back pocket for most of the season, but he faded at the end.

1. Roy Halladay, Blue Jays
2. Esteban Loaiza, White Sox
3. Pedro Martinez, Red Sox

NL Cy Young Award

The Giants lost only five games this year when Jason Schmidt started, and Mark Prior might have won this award if he hadn't missed three weeks following the All-Star break after injuring his shoulder in a collision with Atlanta second baseman Marcus Giles. (Then again, the DL time did keep Prior fresh and prevented him from running up a dangerous total of innings pitched.) But you can't deny the season of the Dodgers' Eric Gagne. If ever a reliever should win the Cy Young Award, this is the year. How could you ask for more? L.A.'s closer was perfect in save situations, struck out 45 percent of the batters he faced and gave up one hit all year with two outs and runners in scoring position.

1. Eric Gagne, Dodgers
2. Jason Schmidt, Giants
3. Mark Prior, Cubs

AL Rookie of the Year

Save the "He's Not a Rookie" argument. Hideki Matsui of the Yankees is eligible for the award. His years in Japan did not guarantee he'd be a success in the States. He earned his success by changing countries, culture and language, not to mention stepping it up in competition. One of the top RBI men in the league with a knack for picking up runners, Matsui also showed he was a solid defensive player and good baserunner. Too bad the ballot doesn't have more than three spots, because Frankie Rodriguez of the Angels, Mike MacDougal of the Royals, Jody Gerut of the Indians, Mark Teixeira of the Rangers and Aquilino Lopez of the Blue Jays all deserve a mention.

1. Hideki Matsui, Yankees
2. Angel Berroa, Royals
3. Rocco Baldelli, Devil Rays

NL Rookie of the Year

Brandon Webb of Arizona didn't generate the hype of Florida's Dontrelle Willis, but he did have the better season. Webb threw more innings, struck out more batters, posted a better ERA and held opponents to a lower batting average than Willis. The Diamondbacks right-hander suffered from disastrous run support, though. And don't think "Country" Webb is not fun to watch, either. His sinker may be the nastiest in the game.

1. Brandon Webb, Diamondbacks
2. Dontrelle Willis, Marlins
3. Scott Podsednik, Brewers

AL Manager of the Year

A Royals coach once counted the number of pitches manager Tony Pena threw in batting practice. The skipper's pitch count hit nearly 500 -- and Pena tosses BP on an almost-daily basis. Pena's enthusiasm and energy helped turn a 100-loss team into a contender that never stopped playing hard down the stretch -- all while juggling an unstable pitching staff.

1. Tony Pena, Royals
2. Joe Torre, Yankees
3. Ken Macha, Athletics

NL Manager of the Year

Jack McKeon stepped out of his retirement duties as a grandfather in North Carolina, took over a losing Marlins team with a knack for underachieving, and made it a winner. Rarely do in-season managerial moves provide this kind of jolt -- Boston's Joe Morgan and his Morgan's Magic in 1988 come to mind -- but McKeon was exactly what Florida needed. Give credit, too, to the masterful jobs done by Felipe Alou and Dusty Baker.

1. Jack McKeon, Marlins
2. Felipe Alou, Giants
3. Dusty Baker, Cubs.

The Unofficial Awards
Best off the bench: Jose Vizcaino, Astros. Professional hitter who can fill in at several positions.

Most exciting player: Barry Bonds, Giants. The restrooms are empty at Pac Bell whenever Bonds' at-bats near.


Best player you've never heard of: Richie Sexson, Brewers. The sausages get more attention in Milwaukee.

Most distinctive quirk: Turk Wendell spiking the resin bag after recording an out.

Best at making his job look easy: Eric Gagne, Dodgers. As close to unhittable as anybody has seen in years.

Best at making his job look hard: Danys Baez, Indians. Has a closer ever had a worse year?

Most devastated by being traded: Raul Mondesi, Diamondbacks. Not that he cares, but his reputation as a selfish underachiever took yet another hit when he sulked his way off of the Yankees and out of the postseason

Best team player: Jim Thome, Phillies. He was everything they had hoped for.

Best quote: Billy Beane, Athletics GM. He didn't write Moneyball, but he was the voice behind the bestseller and he's not afraid to challenge the baseball establishment.

Most likely to break out next season: Miguel Cabrera, Marlins. The third baseman/outfielder has a little bit of Vladimir Guerrero in him.


CNNSI.com

[Illchill]

This guy has no clue what he talking about.He uis leaving Manny and Ortiz out of consideration totally, and while they shouldn't win in it they should be ahead of Magglio and Tejada at least.Nomar is number 6, btu even though Nomah is my home slice Sox player, he isnt that good as to be up there this year, with this cold strecth and crappy road play.

[Illchill]

Also, where do Beltran and Posada get off being ranked so high?

[Illchill]

Also, Pedro should be 2nd, not Lozia.

[Illchill]

And the most underrated player isn't Sexson, who has fans so much it is ridiculous, it is definately Aubery Huff.

[Illchill]

12-0 game for Sox clincher in the 4th:D

[Illchill]

Sammy Sosa homered in the third and is now 10th all-time with 537 taters. He joins Jimmie Foxx and Rafael Palmeiro as the only players with 8 straight 35-HR, 100-RBI seasons. He is the first NL player with 9 straight 100-RBI seasons

MLB.com

[Illchill]

4 homer game for Delgado today, along with 6 RBI.

[Illchill]

Well guys, I am goin to log off and go upstairs to my room, and in about 10 minutes, the Sox will have the AL Wildcard clinched:D Nite.

[Mr.White]

w00t! Red Sox won?

[Illchill]

AL wildcard champz,: Red Sox.:D

[The Green Goblin]

Hey Ill... how's Bill Buckner doing these days...? ;)

:o, sorry, I know that was low... :D

[Illchill]

Ouch man.Seriously, ouch.

But to answer ur question, him and Dent are doing fine.

[The Green Goblin]

Me: I'm sorry Ill...

Other: :gg: Shut up Osborne!

Me:.... I mean that was just not...

Other: :gg: Don't say it!

Me... right. I can't believe I said...

Other: :gg: :rolleyes:

Me: I mean I'm really sorry.

Other: :gg: Osborn you p****...

[thanos27]

yankees rule all others either envy them or are jealous

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by thanos27
yankees rule all others either envy them or are jealous

Your mother wears combat boots.

Cubs/Bucs game gets rained out... Astros are at home against the Brew Crew... hopefully the Brewers can blow them out and the Cubs will have a half game lead going into their double-header tomorrow.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
hopefully the Brewers can blow them out and the Cubs will have a half game lead going into their double-header tomorrow.

Looks like I'm getting my wish thus far; The Brewers are beating the 'Stros 8-1 in the second inning. :D

[Illchill]

Poor, Stro's.The Cubbies better take the Central, they r my NL team.

[Illchill]

So it is as follows.....



NLDS

Marlins at Giants
Cubs or Astros at Braves

ALDS

Red Sox:D:D at Athletics
Twins at Yankees

[Hyper]

Marlins are going to win it all. :cool: :)

[stevey L]

"Twins at Minesotta"

Yes they are, who they playing :)

[Illchill]

Oopx, I mean Twins at Yankees.


And no, the Marlins will be first round losers.

[Hyper]

Originally posted by Illchill
Oopx, I mean Twins at Yankees.


And no, the Marlins will be first round losers.

Silence, it's the Red Sox that are going to go home early. :mad:

[Illchill]

Yea, sure:rolleyes:

[Hyper]

I said silence. :mad: :mad:

[stevey L]

Sox and A's series will decide who is going to represent the AL in the world series.

Although the Yanks could probably take the A's...

[Illchill]

I think the Yanks can take the A's, as I have the Twins going nowhere.I think the biggest challenge for the Red Sox is going to be beating the A's, because every1 but Andy Petite has been rocked by the Sox this year, and if the Sox/Yanks hook up, I think we'll take'em

[PoAnTimRSexi]

The Cubs have clinched a tie for the division, with their 4-2 win over Pittsburgh and the Astros' 5-2 loss to the Brewers. If the Cubs win the second game of their double header today, they clinch the division. And the Cubs are up 2-0 in that game. :D

[Illchill]

Cool.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Here are my predictions for the first round

NLDS

Giants beat Marlins by Bonds homers.
Cubs beat Braves by pitching.

ALDS

Yankees kill Twins because I expected the White Sox to take the AL central.
Red Sox beat up a Mulder-less A's staff.

[Illchill]

I am just worried about Hudson, btu that is it.The lefties of the club, Ortiz, Walker, and company, won't be benched against Zito, and I think will rack him.

[Illchill]

Cubbies up 6-0


Bonds is getting crack at number 659

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Clement is pitching a gem for the Cubs... 6 outs away from the first Central Division title for the Cubs in 14 years.

[Illchill]

One of September's best hitters, TOdd Walker, hit a 2 run homer fopr the Sox

[Illchill]

Cubs win NL Central.

[Illchill]

Minnesota Twins vs. New York Yankees
Game 1 Twins @ Yankees Tue. Sept. 30 1 p.m. ESPN
Game 2 Twins @ Yankees Thu. Oct. 2 8 p.m. FOX
Game 3 Yankees @ Twins Sat. Oct. 4 TBD TBD
Game 4* Yankees @ Twins Sun. Oct. 5 TBD TBD
Game 5* Twins @ Yankees Mon. Oct 6 TBD TBD

Chicago Cubs vs. Atlanta Braves
Game 1 Cubs @ Braves Tue. Sept. 30 8 p.m. FOX
Game 2 Cubs @ Braves Wed. Oct. 1 7 p.m. ESPN
Game 3 Braves @ Cubs Fri. Oct. 3 8 p.m. ESPN
Game 4* Braves @ Cubs Sat. Oct. 4 TBD TBD
Game 5* Cubs @ Braves Sun. Oct. 5 TBD TBD


Boston Red Sox vs. Oakland Athletics
Game 1 Red Sox @ A's Wed. Oct. 1 10 p.m. ESPN
Game 2 Red Sox @ A's Thu. Oct. 2 4 p.m. ESPN2
Game 3 A's @ Red Sox Sat. Oct. 4 TBD TBD
Game 4* A's @ Red Sox Sun. Oct. 5 TBD TBD
Game 5* Red Sox @ A's Mon. Oct. 6 TBD TBD

Florida Marlins vs. San Francisco Giants
Game 1 Marlins @ Giants Tue. Sept. 30 4 p.m. ESPN
Game 2 Marlins @ Giants Wed. Oct. 1 4 p.m. ESPN
Game 3 Giants @ Marlins Fri. Oct. 3 4 p.m. ESPN2
Game 4* Giants @ Marlins Sat. Oct. 4 TBD TBD
Game 5* Marlins @ Giants Sun. Oct. 5 TBD TBD

[cyborg ninja 14]

*marks calander*

this should be an eventful postseason!:)

[Illchill]

Yeperdoodlez

[Illchill]

With the NL batting title tied at 358 I think it is, between Puljos and Helton, and the AL batting title having Bill Muller at 327, Jeter at 326, and Manny at 325, I will let you guyz no who had what dies and who wins the batting title.Also, I believ the homer title is upf or grabs, isn't it?

[Illchill]

Jeter: 0-1

And also, Mueller and Manny both ahve the starts off today.

[Illchill]

0-2 is Jeter

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by cyborg ninja 14
Here are my predictions for the first round


Cubs beat Braves by pitching.



Isn't that ironic, Cubbies finally make the playoffs and Braves finally make the playoffs WITH OFFENSE only to possibly lose to pitching.

Go figure...

[thanos27]

mueller sat out how many games this past week ??? including today as well what a p u ss y . reminds me of another vagina in boston that sat out . umm wade boggs last 3 days of the season to win his ba title vs mattingly

[Illchill]

Dood, Mueller sat out like this one game.You should see how many games this played once he got the chance.If I was Torre, I wouldnt have started Jeter since it is a meangingless game and to make sure he is healthy.And if u must know, Mueller ASKED to be in the starting lineup, it was a managarial choice.

[Illchill]

Jeter is 0-3

[stevey L]

Jeter has a pretty nice batting average this season doesn't he? Isn't kind of funny how all at once these sports columnist begin to right off somebody?

He comes back from an injury and had a hard time getting on base, and was in a gigantic slump. Page 2 on Espn.com put him on the list of the most overatted players of all time....he's batting .326 and always comes up big in the playoffs....some of these guys come up with any excuse to write some 1 off..

[Illchill]

Pats beat therselves.

[Illchill]

Pujlos won batting title by a .0002 point of average :eek:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Illchill
Pujlos won batting title by a .0002 point of average :eek:

How is that mathetically possible:confused:

[stevey L]

what was the season series record between the yanks and redsox? How many games did the sox win?

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by stevey L
what was the season series record between the yanks and redsox? How many games did the sox win?

Illchill should know.

[Illchill]

I think 10-9, Yanks.

[stevey L]

ahhh ma bad ill chill, ma bad, this season, what's the record...didn't the bosox take the yanks?

[Illchill]

I am gonna post about 8 columns here now, all from MLB.com, it breaks down each postseason series I think.

[Illchill]

SAN FRANCISCO -- In one dugout, you've got a veteran-rich team representing a storied organization that, from the owner down to the guy who washes socks and jocks, has made the only goal winning the World Series, not just getting there.
In the other, you've got a team that nobody predicted would be here yet is here, coming off a wild ride to a Wild Card berth and carrying some emotional energy and a whole lot of positive mojo into the playoffs.

What, is this Yankees-Angels in the 2002 American League Division Series?

Nope. We're talking Giants-Marlins in the 2003 National League Division Series.

There's a similar strut to the favorite. And there's a similar element of danger to the underdog.

While the teams and organizations are as different as, say, red and teal, this is also a matchup between a team that surprised no one against a team that surprised everyone.

Of course, we all know what happened last year to the previously mentioned underdog upstart and storied franchise, but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

No doubt, the Giants have approached this season much like the Yankees approach every season. A World Series ring is the only light at the end of the tunnel, and the rest is just tunnel. The Giants haven't spoken much of division titles and reaching the postseason during their wire-to-wire conquest of the NL West. Winning the World Series was and remains the only goal.

Owner Peter Magowan, whose greatest childhood memories growing up in New York include cheering on the Giants to their last world title in 1954, didn't even want to see a big celebration after the Giants clinched their fourth postseason berth in seven years. That "World Series or bust" attitude has permeated through everything about the organization since before the season began.


Their superstar set the tone as well. Barry Bonds has done just about everything else except wipe out Babe Ruth and win one of those World Series rings, of which Ruth collected seven.

When he arrived in Arizona for Spring Training, Bonds spoke about how he planned to move past the World Series loss to those upstart Angels in 2002.

"My wife told me, 'You got your wish,'" he said. "'You asked God your whole life to be in the World Series,' so I was content. But why didn't I ask to win? So my new prayer is, I'm saying exactly what I'm praying for."

The Giants have more than a prayer. They have Bonds and a veteran cast of characters aiming for the same prize.

But they know as well as anyone that you've got to take first things first. They showed they weren't about to take the Marlins or the importance of the Division Series lightly when they stood as one and voted down a potential one-day coast-to-coast round trip for home-field advantage in the NLCS.

The Marlins, meanwhile, do have a little bit of Angels-type magic to them heading into October. To say their Wild Card run was improbable is to say it gets a little damp in Florida sometimes -- in fact, they might have out-Angeled the Angels in the improbability department during the regular season.

Whereas the 2002 Angels gradually built themselves up to their Wild Card opportunity, the 2003 Marlins rode a roller coaster of speculation of a fire sale, injury and ultimate triumph over all of the above. Whereas the 2002 Angels made their magic by riding a lineup that from top to bottom could get their Rally Monkey jumping at any moment, the Marlins have ridden a young starting rotation, led by Josh Beckett and Brad Penny and energized into the stratosphere by the All-Star arrival of Dontrelle Willis.




At the moment, it's hard to think of a more resilient team than the 2003 Marlins. Heading into July, they were potential sellers in the trade market and their best player, Mike Lowell, was the name on everyone's lips. But things took a turn for the better when owner Jeffrey Loria announced that Lowell would not be traded. In fact, the Marlins added a player soon thereafter by picking up Ugueth Urbina.

That was fine until Lowell's wrist was broken by a pitch and things looked gloomy again. But then general manager Larry Beinfest continued his run of savvy maneuvers and snagged Jeff Conine to fill the void left by Lowell's injury. The rest is a study in perseverance, with 72-year-old manager Jack McKeon pulling it all together.

You think the Marlins came a long way since the beginning of the season? How about the road they've traveled since we last saw Edgar Renteria leaping in the air, celebrating the 1997 World Series title? The six years in between have seen the dismantling of that championship team and the creation of a whole new organization, building on young starting pitching.

But here they are, the gutty, little team from South Florida taking on the aptly named Giants in this struggle of teams with different expectations but the same result so far -- a postseason berth.

As the Angels proved last year, that's all you need.

[Illchill]

When Dusty Baker was named manager of the Chicago Cubs last winter, he immediately informed Cub Nation that he was "not the messiah." You didn't have to be a biblical scholar to understand what Baker was talking about. The Cubs are one of baseball's best-known franchises, but have few recent titles to their credit and haven't been to baseball's promised land of the World Series since 1945. Baker knew then and now that it would take more than one man to turn this franchise around.
The Cubs aren't there yet, but winning the National League Central Division title -- the first by any team other than St. Louis or Houston since 1995 -- is a huge first step toward the long-term goal of shedding the franchise tag of lovable loser and trading it in for that of perennial contender.

If the Cubs advance to the ALCS or beyond, then Baker's contention that he isn't the messiah might not stand up under cross examination. The Cubs could get swept by Atlanta and this would still be a season to cherish in Wrigleyville. However, if they are able to upset the heavily-favored Braves it would stamp the Cubs as serious threats to end their World Series drought now rather than the future. And what a future it appears to be for this talented team that is based around a rotation of superb twenty-somethings.

This is an organization that has arrived. The farm system is among the baseball's best and the talent level across the board is as high as it's been in many years. But you win with pitching, and that's where the Cubs separate from the pack.

Any GM will tell you one of the keys to long-term success -- besides talent -- is stability, especially in the rotation. Atlanta did it in the '90s with Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz. The Cubs have their big two in Kerry Wood and Mark Prior and compelling candidates for the third spot in Carlos Zambrano and Matt Clement. None are facing free agency and all figure to be fixtures in Chicago for many years to come. Unlike Maddux, who left the Cubs following the '92 season, Wood and Prior aren't going anywhere.

The future bodes so well for Chicago that this series with the Braves is virtually a can't lose proposition for the Cubs. They weren't expected to get this far and they are not expected to win. But that pitching staff makes the Cubs dangerous and a team capable of winning any short series regardless of the opponent's credentials.

Atlanta, on the other hand, will be trying to get back to the World Series for the first time since 1999. Anything less and a lot of people will consider this team a disappointment, never mind the fact that many of those same people didn't even pick the Braves to win the NL East Division crown this year. Such is the price of continued excellence. By perenially setting such lofty standards, the Braves have likewise raised the bar on expectations as to how far they should advance.

Yet here they are, wearing a division crown for the 12th consecutive season and with enough firepower to run the October table. Atlanta has been so good for so long that a season's success or failure is not measured during the regular season, but how far the Braves go in October.

The Braves are once again in the World Series hunt and they did it without Glavine and without Kevin Millwood, two pitchers who contributed in the franchise's success during recent years. The Braves managed to stay on top -- by a convincing margin, mind you -- despite major changes to what had been a stable rotation for several years. Another change could be coming this winter, which makes this go-round for Atlanta even more compelling.

This could also be Maddux's last year in the Peach State since free agency is looming for the future Hall of Famer. The four-time Cy Young Award winner is scheduled to start Game 3 Friday at Wrigley Field.

Maddux would like nothing more than to win one more World Series with the Braves --what a fitting way that would be for him to end his tenure in Atlanta. The Braves were just getting started on their incredible run when he arrived in 1993, and now perhaps it is time for another team, with another talented young rotation, to start a dynasty like the Braves built and have since maintained.

That prospect, unthinkable a year ago, is not a stretch today. Prior is seen by many as the next multiple Cy Young Award winner and the man whose presence should ensure continued playoff appearances for years to come. Wood led the majors in strikeouts and is another right-hander with Cy Young caliber stuff. If both stay healthy, a long and happy Cub run is certainly possibility.

The future will tell. For the moment Prior, Wood and the upstart Cubs will take their shots against old guard Braves and their National League dynasty, with the winner taking one step closer to baseball's promised land.

[Illchill]

Reasons the Yankees will win:
1. They know Twins can't beat them.
They haven't done so since May 10, 2001, 13 losses ago. Forget that nonsense about history meaning nothing. It meant everything last year when the Angels, with a good track record against the Bombers, laid it on.

2. All that postseason experience.
They know the turf, and we don't mean the Metrodome's. When the heat's on, the ability to maintain composure and focus is invaluable. The playoff vets will carry the postseason rooks (Hideki Matsui, Aaron Boone, Karim Garcia).

3. Auld Lang Syne.
They're gonna break up that old gang. Roger Clemens is retiring voluntarily, David Wells may be retiring involuntarily, Andy Pettitte is headed for free agency. This is the last stand for the team that erected a dynasty, and it is driven to go out in style.

Achilles' Heel: That erratic bullpen. The bridge between the starters and Mariano Rivera is mined. Joe Torre's gut may tell him to push his starters, but leaning on three who totaled 634 innings may be chancy.

Darkhorse: Jose Contreras. If a game threatens to get out of hand early, he is the only hope for holding the fort. His heralded offseason bagging was followed by a personally embarrassing season -- by his lofty standards -- and Contreras hungers for the chance to make it all up.

Reasons the Twins will win:
1. Not in our house. The Metrodome, and its head-splitting acoustics, comprise the biggest, most nerves-rattling postseason home-field advantage in baseball. Historically, the Twins have won 13 of 15 postseason games there. Last time the teams met, the Yanks laughed to a 15-1 win on April 21 in the Dome ... in front of 20,845. Nearly triple that, and try to function. Don't expect the Yankees to call any audibles.

2. They can afford not to. Interpretation: They'll be loose, relaxed, allowing their talent to come to the surface. The Twins know the Yankees will be playing on the edge from the first pitch, and will try to push them over.

3. Two off days. The interrupted Tuesday-Thursday-Saturday schedule will allow Ron Gardenhire to empty his bullpen of left-handers every game. J.C. Romero, Kenny Rogers, Eric Milton and closer Eddie Guardado all have their ideal match-ups against certain N.Y. lefty hitters. Get some WD-40 for the bullpen gate.

Achilles' Heel: Lack of bat discipline. Last year, the Angels proved conclusively the way to beat the Yankees pitchers is to wear them out but, to a man, the Twins don't work deep counts. Four of them exceeded 100 strikeouts, none of them drew more than 77 walks. As a team, the Twins drew 172 fewer walks then their ALDS opponents.

Darkhorse: Mike Ryan. Since his mid-August recall, Gardenhire has given him more and more playing time, and the lanky left-handed hitter has responded with a .379 average and five homers and 13 RBIs in only 58 at-bats. He could come up big in Yankee Stadium.

Key Showdowns
A.J. Pierzynski vs. Alfonso Soriano: The Minnesota catcher has been one of the Majors' better, more consistent throwers for several years. Soriano accounts for more than half of the stolen bases on the New York roster. There will be at least one key moment when he goes -- and the momentum of the game, perhaps the entire series, will rest with who wins.

Jason Giambi-Nick Johnson-Hideki Matsui-Karim Garcia vs. J.C. Romero: Guardado closes, Rogers and Milton are starters in reserve, so Romero will be the southpaw brought into crucial situations to defuse the lefty power. Romero's past against the four is good (3-for-14); his future?

Prediction: Yankees, in four games.

[Illchill]

Baseball will be celebrating the 100th anniversary of the World Series this October, and perhaps it is only fitting that the field for this postseason will have that old-time feel. It marks the first time since the eight-team format was introduced in 1995 that every participant has won at least one World Series, and this will be the first opportunity to see seven of the 16 franchises that were around during that first Fall Classic in 1903: The A's, Braves, Cubs, Giants, Red Sox, Twins and Yankees.
Of course, within that field there are two particular names that stand out for Major League history buffs. This will be only the third time in those 100 years that the Cubs and Red Sox have participated in the same postseason. They are only two of eight headed for a Division Series -- which also includes the more modern Marlins -- but feel free to let the mind wander, consider the possibilities for humanity, and prepare just in case for a possible city celebration of epic proportions.

The last time the Cubs and Red Sox shared a postseason was in 1998, when each won their respective league's Wild Card berth. The Sox are taking the same approach this time going into their ALDS starting Wednesday in Oakland, and the Cubs won the NL Central Saturday to set up a Tuesday NLDS matchup in Atlanta.

The other shared postseason? It was 1918, when Babe Ruth pitched Boston past the Cubs in six by extending his World Series scoreless streak to 22 innings. Because of America's entry into World War I a year earlier, the U.S. government called for Major League Baseball's 1918 regular season to end by Labor Day and for the World Series to be played immediately thereafter. So the Red Sox beat the Cubs on Sept. 11.

As any Red Sox fan can tell you, the club then sold Ruth to the Yankees, and hasn't won it all since then. But at the time, the Boston AL club was the epitome of what the World Series was all about. That series victory gave the Red Sox a 5-0 record in the Fall Classic, including the first-ever event in 1903, when they were known as the Pilgrims (or Americans) and beat Honus Wagner and the Pirates. Boston might have been 6-0, but the NL-champion New York Giants refused to play them in '04.

And as any Cubs fan can tell you, there has not been a World Series title celebrated around Chicago since 1908. That finished a three-year run of Fall Classics, and it marked the first time that a team had repeated as World Series champion. Frank Chance's Cubs beat Ty Cobb's Detroit Tigers in '07 (4-1 with one tie) and '08 (4-0).

If you go by the Cubs and Red Sox's "recent" World Series history -- back to 1945 -- then the annually frustrated masses who dare to dream in 2003 might envision a dream World Series that goes seven heavenly games. The Red Sox lost in seven games in their past four World Series: 1986 vs. Mets; 1975 vs. Reds; 1967 and 1946 vs. Cardinals. The Cubs' last World Series was the year before Boston lost that last one to Stan Musial and the Redbirds. Detroit, led by Hank Greenberg and Hal Newhouser, beat the Cubs in seven.

There are many other delicious possibilities for students of baseball history. It was just last June that we saw the Yankees finally return to Wrigley Field to play the Cubs, with the home team winning two of three. The last time they had met had been the 1938 World Series, when the Bronx Bombers swept the Cubs. And there is no greater baseball lore than the 1932 Fall Classic, Game 3 at Wrigley, where the Bambino hit his "Called Shot" homer off Cubs pitcher Charlie Root.

What about a Giants-Yankees World Series? That used to be expected. They met six times when they shared the city of New York, and that included three years in a row from 1921-23, 1936-37 and 1951. The NL's Giants won the first two of those Subway Series, but the Yankees won the last four. The has been one meeting since then, and anyone who watched Game 6 in San Francisco in 1962 will remember when Willie McCovey's screaming line drive was caught by second baseman Bobby Richardson, ending the series.

What about a Braves-A's World Series? Flash back to 1914: It was the year of the Miracle Braves. That Boston club went from 15 games out in the summer to the greatest comeback in modern history, not only beating Connie Mack's "unbeatable" Philadelphia A's but even sweeping them and forcing the A's to make wholesale changes that winter. Guess what? Those franchises haven't met again.



Perhaps we could even see a rematch of that A's-Cubs series of 1929, when Mack's club won in five and became known as one of the greatest teams ever.


There could be other World Series rematches of special notes. The Twins and Braves played one of the best Fall Classics ever in 1991, won by Minnesota in the 10th inning of a Game 7 that Jack Morris pitched the entire way. The Braves and Yankees could meet for the third time in the past eight years, with those previous two won by New York in 1996 and 1999. There could be another Bay Bridge World Series, but hopefully without the earthquake that marred the A's 1989 title over San Francisco.

In all, baseball's eight 2003 participants bring a combined total of 54 World Series championships. Almost half -- 26, to be exact -- were provided by the Yankees, who were known as the Highlanders when the first Fall Classic was played. Others were won by the A's (nine -- five as Philadelphia and four as Oakland), Giants (five, all as New York), Red Sox (five), Braves (three, one as Boston, one as Milwaukee and one as Atlanta), Twins (three -- two as Minnesota and one as Washington), Cubs (two) and Marlins (one).

[Illchill]

Tigers win again!Miis Met's "record".:D

[cyborg ninja 14]

woah, for a minute there, I thought you had typed that all up.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Final bids for MLB awards?

A.L. MVP- Manny Ramirez.

This is a tough one. A lot of "so-so" players on contending teams, and a lot of outstanding years for players well out of contention. I'm a firm believer in not giving players on non-contenders the MVP—because being the most valuable player on a team 30 games behind doesn't say much, does it? Trust me, I'd like to give it to Boone, Delgado or Rodriguez, but I just don't think they deserve it now. Manny has put up his typical offensive numbers, as well as hitting for a good average and keeping a real steady strike out to walk ratio. In years past I don't think this type of year would be an MVP year, but in a mediocre year for the A.L. I give it to Manny.
Runner-up: Carlos Delgado.

N.L. MVP- Gary Sheffield.

Bonds, Pujols, Thome, Gagne(don't get me started on that one)... all very likely candidates. However, one man hasn't been given much mention due to the fact that he's on a team with the best offense in baseball: Gary Sheffield. He's having the most solid year of his career, and he simply has some of the best numbers while playing for a winning team. Some may argue that you can't call him the MVP of the Braves, with Lopez, Giles, Furcal, the Jones', etc. all having great years. But I don't think that should take away from his great season.
Runner-up: Jim Thome

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A.L. Cy- Roy Halladay.

This is a tough one, because I have been picking Loaiza through-out the entire season. But I believe Halladay has really come through in September, to win the Cy.
Runner-up: Esteban Loaiza

N.L. Cy- Mark Prior.

18 wins, 2.43 ERA, three Complete Games, one shutout, 245 strikeouts... at the age of 23. Need I say more? :)
Runner-Up: Jason Schmidt

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A.L. RotY- Hideki Matsui.
Runner-up: Rocco Baldelli

N.L. RotY- Scott Podsednik.
Runner-up: Brandon Webb

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A.L. Manager of the Year- Ron Gardenhire.
Runner-up: Tony Pena

N.L. Manager of the Year- Dusty Baker.
Runner-up: Jack McKeon

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A.L. "Underrated Season of the Year"- Aubrey Huff.

N.L. "Underrated Season of the Year"- Preston Wilson.

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Had to add that last award; those two guys have had too good of years to go un-mentioned.

[PoAnTimRSexi]

And on a side-note: Go Eagles, w00t. :p

[Illchill]

Manning tossed 6 TD's last nite:eek:

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Illchill
Manning tossed 6 TD's last nite:eek:

Yep, the 'Aints are back! :D

LOL, all your players playin' wouldn't have done ya much good agains "the Dukes" lasty night. ;)

[Brodie Bruce]

that's right. Posednik better win

[Johnny Blaze]

All right! Who's ready for some Hockey!? Season will be startin' up soon...:D

[Johnny Blaze]

Heh...no I hate mayo. :D

[The Green Goblin]

The Falcons are going to get Jimmy Johnson. I just know it! :D

[Johnny Blaze]

Originally posted by wareagle
The Falcons are going to get Jimmy Johnson. I just know it! :D I don't know about Jimmy, but, unless they shape up and start playing some ball soon, Reeves will more then likely be out after this season.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Johnny Blaze
I don't know about Jimmy, but, unless they shape up and start playing some ball soon, Reeves will more then likely be out after this season.

I think Reeves is out. Blank has got the will and the cash to get a "winner". Johnson has said the job is the only one he would come out of retirement for. Think he's a little jealous watching Parcells? ;)

THe other rumor is Dennis Greene.

cool avatar btw Blaze...

[thanos27]

poor jets : (

[Johnny Blaze]

Originally posted by wareagle
I think Reeves is out. Blank has got the will and the cash to get a "winner". Johnson has said the job is the only one he would come out of retirement for. Think he's a little jealous watching Parcells? ;)

THe other rumor is Dennis Greene.

cool avatar btw Blaze... Hmm, interesting... Personally, if I was running the show, I'd rather have Denny Green over JJ...but that's just me. I think Denny is just waiting for Erickson to **** up in San Fran so he can coach the Ninny's.

And screw Bill Parcells. He's overrated. :p (sorry, I just had to throw that in :o)

And thank you btw, Joeseph Freefall made it for me. :)

[Johnny Blaze]

Originally posted by thanos27
poor jets : ( Tell me about it. It sucks that Herm Edwards is catching all the flack for their craptacular play. He's a good coach though and he'll get 'em motivated and back on track. :)

[JcDc]

My fav teams:

NFC- Cowboys

AFC- Titans

The Cowboys cause that was my Dad's team and he forced it on me at an early age

The Titans because the HOUSTON OILERS (DAMN IT!!!) were my team growing up since the days of Warren Moon, Haywood Jefferies, Lo' White, Ernest Givins (short but good receiver ), etc.. Since they moved to TN I stayed with them even when everyone in TN laughed and chose not to support them the first couple years :) Seriously I got a bunch of Titans clothes cheap on a vacation there and got laughed out of stores for being a Titans fan!!!!! Also got all the Steve Mcnair rookie cards I could get I saw his greatness ahead of time! :)

[Illchill]

Pats were continuing to drop like flys in the Skins game, there were comnstantly first aid guys on the field.

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, it doesn't seem to be their year as far as injuries go. Especially the loss of Colvin; that one definitely stings.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Johnny Blaze
Hmm, interesting... Personally, if I was running the show, I'd rather have Denny Green over JJ...but that's just me. I think Denny is just waiting for Erickson to **** up in San Fran so he can coach the Ninny's.

And screw Bill Parcells. He's overrated. :p (sorry, I just had to throw that in :o)


I agree, Green would be a good fit in San Fran, and I think its gonna all come apart under Erickson. He was an average coach in Seattle and inherited Jimmy Johnson's machine at Miami.

LOL, I'm kinda tired of Parcells too. retire,unretire,retire,unretire. :rolleyes:

[Soundwave]

Erickson is a damn coward for not suspending Owens this week. I bet he has totally lost all respect from the rest of the team for not taking a stand against that selfish a-hole!

[Illchill]

Twins BEAT Yanks 3-1 with tying run on base IN the stadium.The same Mussina who was 20-2 against Twins ever lost:eek:The Twins who lost 13 str8 against Yanks won:eek::eek:

[Illchill]

Minnesota IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Santana 4.0 3 0 0 2 3 0 0.00
Reed 0.2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Romero 1.1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0.00
Hawkins (W, 1-0) 2.0 1 0 0 0 4 0 0.00
Guardado (S, 1) 1.0 3 1 1 0 0 0 9.00


Sanatana came out so early cuz of cramps.

[Eric Draven]

The EA sports curse continues.........

[Johnny Blaze]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Erickson is a damn coward for not suspending Owens this week. I bet he has totally lost all respect from the rest of the team for not taking a stand against that selfish a-hole! I don't know about suspended; he is the only real playmaker they have got. But, he should've at least fined him.
If I was a player for the Ninny's I would definitely loose respect for Erickson.

[stevey L]

dont underestimate the Twins they are smokin hot, and this is playoff time anything can happen.

[Illchill]

True.

[Illchill]

But those were some scary stats.

[Soundwave]

Go Cubbies!!!

[Illchill]

Cubs are lsing now, and Pedro vs Hudson startin.

[Illchill]

Todd Walker with a solo homerun!!:D:DHe is batting third:D

[The Green Goblin]

I was raised a Brave fan and even I'm kinda rootin' for the Cubbies.

Cubs/Sox World Series! :D

[Illchill]

I am not doing this for post count, but I may continually update throught innings and big events in this game, espcially cuz the Sox are playin!!!Nomah and Manny whiffed, but Walker went back back back back back back back GONE!

[cyborg ninja 14]

Ouch, Durazo and Tejada get RBI's to give the A's a 3-1 lead:mad:

[cyborg ninja 14]

home run Jason Varitek!:D now a 3-2 game

[cyborg ninja 14]

2 RUN HOMER TODD WALKER! HIS SECOND OF THE NIGHT! 4-3 Red Sox!!:D