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reggiebar

02-09-2004, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Slipknot
LOL! Oh man your a loser... this is so bad that your in love with Carmelo Anthony like you are... obviously if you loved him at Saracuse and you went to Syracuse then you would love him in Denver too... what are you a pansy ass New Yorker? It doesnt take much to know I live in Massachusetts when IT SAYS IT IN MY GOD DAMN LOCATION IN MY PROFILE YOU JACKASS! When you call LeBron James "Bron" and Carmelo Anthony "Melo" you sound like a 10 year old kid thats in love with them so much you call them by there lame ass nicknames. If the NBA had an extra spot in the East and West in the All Star game then yes they would have deserved to go and would have gone but that isnt the case... Kirilenko leads Carmelo in tons of catagories other than points per game. Kirilenko will represent the Utah Jazz and you have no right to say he didnt deserve the spot and BTW if you look to see at the positians they both play then you would see that Carmelo plays Small Forward and Kirilenk plays Power Forward ( A much harder position to play) and the lack of great power forwards in the West might have been a factor in it as well so please enough of you repeated posts.

Bull*****!!!!

You have yet to actually look at the most important category - winning. Carmelo Anthony has transformed the Denver Nuggets from the basement of the West to the 6th seed - period! You can't overlook that no matter how much you don't know about basketball.

You wrote....."Kirilenko leads Carmelo in tons of catagories other than points per game." Ummm, he DOESN't lead Carmelo in points per game fool - Carmelo was averaging 19.0 points per game and Kirilenko was averaging 16.3 - get your facts straight.

Oh, you decide what nicknames are cool and what nicknames aren't? SAVE IT! I can call them by their nicknames as those are their nicknames.

Seriously, stop being a 16 year stat geek and actually look at what it means to be an All-Star and how All-Stars make their teams better. Has any team in the NBA had a better turn-around than the Denver Nuggets? NO!

Please, look again at the team record as you claim that All-Stars shouldn't just be stat showboats and need to make teams better - explain Carmelo then? You can't.

BTW, I asked you to find ONE, juts ONE, sportswriter who thinks that these two shouldn't be ALl-Stars. You can't even find one. Yes, Slipknot, you know more about sports than every single person in the country who actually makes a living covering the sport - SAVE IT!!!!!

As for the fact that I am a Carmeo Anthony fan, one day when you grow up and go to college, maybe it will have division-one sports. If you do go to a university that has division-one sports and a greta player comes along and carries your school to its first National Championship in that sport, you might understand how one can be a fan of that player, especially if that player is a good person like Carmelo Anthony. However, if Carmelo was not playing great basketball, I wouldn't say otherwise. The fact is that he has been All-Star basketball - period.

BTW, I can tell you know nothing about sports from your posts about Lennox Lewis.

reggiebar

02-09-2004, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Slipknot
No Miami, I like Brunnel and dont want to see him go to such a ****ty team... I want him to go to Washington if no other team wants him.

More astute sports observations from the prototypical Ma$$hole - Yes, Miami is the *****ty team compared to Washington when Washington went 5-11 last year comparted to Miami at 10-6, Washington 7-9 in 2002, Miami 9-7, Washington 8-8 in 2001 and Miami 11-5.

Why do you even discuss sports when you clearly don't know what you are talking about?

Illchill

02-09-2004, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar
Bull*****!!!!

You have yet to actually look at the most important category - winning. Carmelo Anthony has transformed the Denver Nuggets from the basement of the West to the 6th seed - period! You can't overlook that no matter how much you don't know about basketball.

You wrote....."Kirilenko leads Carmelo in tons of catagories other than points per game." Ummm, he DOESN't lead Carmelo in points per game fool - Carmelo was averaging 19.0 points per game and Kirilenko was averaging 16.3 - get your facts straight.

Oh, you decide what nicknames are cool and what nicknames aren't? SAVE IT! I can call them by their nicknames as those are their nicknames.

Seriously, stop being a 16 year stat geek and actually look at what it means to be an All-Star and how All-Stars make their teams better. Has any team in the NBA had a better turn-around than the Denver Nuggets? NO!

Please, look again at the team record as you claim that All-Stars shouldn't just be stat showboats and need to make teams better - explain Carmelo then? You can't.

BTW, I asked you to find ONE, juts ONE, sportswriter who thinks that these two shouldn't be ALl-Stars. You can't even find one. Yes, Slipknot, you know more about sports than every single person in the country who actually makes a living covering the sport - SAVE IT!!!!!

As for the fact that I am a Carmeo Anthony fan, one day when you grow up and go to college, maybe it will have division-one sports. If you do go to a university that has division-one sports and a greta player comes along and carries your school to its first National Championship in that sport, you might understand how one can be a fan of that player, especially if that player is a good person like Carmelo Anthony. However, if Carmelo was not playing great basketball, I wouldn't say otherwise. The fact is that he has been All-Star basketball - period.

BTW, I can tell you know nothing about sports from your posts about Lennox Lewis.

Ouch, these are the kind of posts I want in this thread:D

Illchill

02-09-2004, 04:36 PM

Last 3rd of Pro Bowl was pretty exciting.I actually watched most of it too.Even though brady was screwed, as was Vrabel and Harrison.

Illchill

02-10-2004, 03:32 PM

Rasheed Wallace traded finally.

TheCheshireCat

02-10-2004, 03:35 PM

Illchill

02-10-2004, 03:37 PM

And also, the Smiwsuit issue is coming out so you guys know.

Slipknot

02-10-2004, 03:47 PM

Slipknot

02-10-2004, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar
More astute sports observations from the prototypical Ma$$hole - Yes, Miami is the *****ty team compared to Washington when Washington went 5-11 last year comparted to Miami at 10-6, Washington 7-9 in 2002, Miami 9-7, Washington 8-8 in 2001 and Miami 11-5.

Why do you even discuss sports when you clearly don't know what you are talking about?
Oh yes... I think I knew that already you idiot, I was just referring that I like Brunnel and saying that I didnt want him going to Miami and should have said ****ty organization... not a ****ty team, I should have specified it for you... my bad. Plus Miami has Fiedler and according to Cheshire hes a winner so I say stay with him.

reggiebar

02-11-2004, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Slipknot
You really are a jackass arent you? It isnt only Carmelo who has transformed the Denver Nuggets into a good team... it has been the combination of Nene Hilario, Andre Miller, Carmelo Anthony, Earl Boykins, Voshon Lenard, Jon Barry and now a little bit of Marcus Camby that has made this team what it is today... so dont say its all Carmelo. I did say Kirilenko leads Carmelo in tons of categories OTHER than points per game... meaning Kirilenko lead Carmelo in most categories but not in popints per game... can you read reggiebar? You stupid Syracuse fanboy jackass, keep kissing Carmelo Anthony's ass... do you have your own life rather than kissing his ass and the rest of Syracuses ass all day? Im 17 (18 in 7 months) not 16 so GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, if you knew how to count you would see that I was born in September of 1986... see, its not hard... its in my info.

Agian, the best player on Denver, Anthony, should be an All-Star....period.

BTW, have you found any sportswriter in the country who say that Carmelo shouldn't be an All-Star? Didn't think so......

Magic Johnson even said that Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James should be All-Stars.....

Friday, February 6, 2004
Updated: February 8, 10:25 PM ET

Associated Press
LOS ANGELES -- Magic Johnson loves what teenagers LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony have accomplished as rookies and is disappointed they weren't picked to play in the NBA All-Star Game.

"LeBron and Carmelo have brought so much interest, they should have made it," Johnson said Friday. "They backed it up with their game. You can't tell me they shouldn't be part of the game. I understand that they've got to earn their stripes, so to speak.

"They're good guys. And they've made the other guys work harder at their game."

James and Anthony, both 19, played in Johnson's charity game last summer.

"Both young men have brought a great freshness, a great smile back to the game," Johnson said. "Nobody wants to smile. We've got to get back to smiling, destroying their man at the same time."

I will take Magic's (Oh, wait, I shouldn't call him by his nickname according to you)...I will take Ervin Johnson's word over your sorry, not understanding sports, word any day of the week.

BTW, what did your Boston Celtics think Monday night about LeBron being an All-Star or not, when the Cavs beat Boston 97-89....you still think LeBron James is not an All-Star (did you even watch that game? Do you even watch any NBA games? - I doubt it). You simply can't judge NBA players by the next day stats alone - YOU NEED TO WATCH NBA GAMES!

As for my kissing Syracuse players butts, huh? Seriously, if YOU ACTUALLY WATCH any NBA games, you would know that Carmelo Anthony is an All-Star caliber player.

Please, find any writer, sports reporter, etc... who agress with you and perhaps your word would have some amount of credibility, but right now, it has NONE.

BTW, a real sports fan who understands sports, can put aside their personal feelings for a team/player when they evaluate that team/player. Go read the topic about Bill Belichick and what I had to say about him as a coach. I HATE the Pats, but I give credit where credit is due, YOU DON'T.

Slipknot

02-11-2004, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar

Agian, the best player on Denver, Anthony, should be an All-Star....period.
I think Nene Hilario is quite a good player... but yeah Carmelo is now the best on Denver but he didnt do it himself... like I said he has had a LOT of help.

BTW, have you found any sportswriter in the country who say that Carmelo shouldn't be an All-Star? Didn't think so......
I never said I was gonna look for one you stupid jackass... you think im gonna search the web so I can find some sportswriters who say that and then have you say they have no "credability" or some **** like that... no.

Magic Johnson even said that Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James should be All-Stars.....

Friday, February 6, 2004
Updated: February 8, 10:25 PM ET

Associated Press
LOS ANGELES -- Magic Johnson loves what teenagers LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony have accomplished as rookies and is disappointed they weren't picked to play in the NBA All-Star Game.

"LeBron and Carmelo have brought so much interest, they should have made it," Johnson said Friday. "They backed it up with their game. You can't tell me they shouldn't be part of the game. I understand that they've got to earn their stripes, so to speak.

"They're good guys. And they've made the other guys work harder at their game."

James and Anthony, both 19, played in Johnson's charity game last summer.

"Both young men have brought a great freshness, a great smile back to the game," Johnson said. "Nobody wants to smile. We've got to get back to smiling, destroying their man at the same time."

I will take Magic's (Oh, wait, I shouldn't call him by his nickname according to you)...I will take Ervin Johnson's word over your sorry, not understanding sports, word any day of the week.
What you dont have your own opinin or something? You have to have other people think for you... :rolleyes:

BTW, what did your Boston Celtics think Monday night about LeBron being an All-Star or not, when the Cavs beat Boston 97-89....you still think LeBron James is not an All-Star (did you even watch that game? Do you even watch any NBA games? - I doubt it). You simply can't judge NBA players by the next day stats alone - YOU NEED TO WATCH NBA GAMES!
Paul Pierce had 32 points through 44 minutes of playing time, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists... your LeBron James had 24 points through 43 minutes of playing time, 6 rebounds, and 3 assists. How is that saying LeBron is a all star when Pierce beat him in every category? Cleveland is 6th in the East Central while Boston is 3rd in the East Atlantic... The Celtics are NOW 3-1 against Cleveland for the season... oh wow, so bad.

As for my kissing Syracuse players butts, huh? Seriously, if YOU ACTUALLY WATCH any NBA games, you would know that Carmelo Anthony is an All-Star caliber player.
Theres always next year you Carmelo lover.

BTW, a real sports fan who understands sports, can put aside their personal feelings for a team/player when they evaluate that team/player. Go read the topic about Bill Belichick and what I had to say about him as a coach. I HATE the Pats, but I give credit where credit is due, YOU DON'T.
Ummm I never said I hated Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James... I actually like them both, I just think they werent both deserving of the spot on the All Star team THIS year, if there was an extra spot on both the East and the West then yes they would be going but that is not the case... so I really dont get where your saying that I hate Carmelo or something... I just disagree with you.

TheCheshireCat

02-11-2004, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Oh yes... I think I knew that already you idiot, I was just referring that I like Brunnel and saying that I didnt want him going to Miami and should have said ****ty organization... not a ****ty team, I should have specified it for you... my bad. Plus Miami has Fiedler and according to Cheshire hes a winner so I say stay with him.

The man wins a lot of games. I hate his guts with a firey passion that would make hell look like the artic tundra, but the man wins a lot of games.

Slipknot

02-11-2004, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
The man wins a lot of games. I hate his guts with a firey passion that would make hell look like the artic tundra, but the man wins a lot of games.
Regular season games... hes alright, Miami should draft a good QB, whoever gets Eli Manning is gonna be set... you could even get Peyton Manning because hes a unrestricted free agent... the Colts are idiots for letting it go this far without signing him.

Illchill

02-11-2004, 02:27 PM

Yea, they shoulda extened him 2 years ago.

TheCheshireCat

02-11-2004, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Regular season games... hes alright, Miami should draft a good QB, whoever gets Eli Manning is gonna be set... you could even get Peyton Manning because hes a unrestricted free agent... the Colts are idiots for letting it go this far without signing him.

We'll never do that, our management is filled with idiots.

Illchill

02-12-2004, 04:56 PM

Where do you think Henson will end up, if anywhere.

reggiebar

02-13-2004, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
We'll never do that, our management is filled with idiots.

It isn't as easy as "you should draft a quarterback" as Slipknot states....Miami has, what the 20th pick? Yeah, Eli or Rivers or any of the other great quarterbacks will be around at 20???

Also, you can't simply sign any quarterback on the free agent market as salary cap restrictions and cap management have a huge thing to do with it (I am actaully a Dolphins fan in pro football - only non New York team I grew up liking) and the management is actually pretty decent when it comes to cap management and keeping players. The only real mistake I see from Miami is keeping Wanstadt. They really need a new coach in there to shake thigs up and get a new system going. BTW, Miami's biggest problem is not quarterback, it is a lack of quality offense linemen and depth at that position. If Miami had a great Oline, Fiedler is effeicient enoug to win playoff games behind Rickey, but for the past 3 seasons the Miami O-Line has been racked with injuries and young players who didn't come along as fast as they would have liked.

spanish39

02-13-2004, 08:39 AM

OK, my debate is for the Daytona 500. Who will win?

Soundwave

02-13-2004, 09:37 AM

Dale Jr or Michael Waltrip. Pretty much anyone from DEI racing team. They seem to dominate at Daytona.

Johnny Blaze

02-13-2004, 11:24 AM

Hockey's shaping up fairly good right now.
Who do you all think will win the Cup?
My guess is Toronto, but Tampa Bay, Detroit, and Colorado could very well go the distance too.
Course, being a Lightning fan, I am pulling for Tampa Bay, but they actually do have a damn good shot at it. They just need to keep their momentum going strong and try to stay relatively injury free down the stretch into the playoffs.

Btw, did anyone see Domi toss that stick at the Blue Jacket bench? :D

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar
It isn't as easy as "you should draft a quarterback" as Slipknot states....Miami has, what the 20th pick? Yeah, Eli or Rivers or any of the other great quarterbacks will be around at 20???
If you re read my post you will see that I said WHOEVER gets Eli manning will be doing very good and not that Miami can and should get him. I said in general... meaning that one of these years in prefibly the next few they should be able to get a high pick, and if they wanted Eli bad enough they could trade up and get him... it would cost them though. They could probably get Henson if they wanted to also for not that much, he looked pretty good on ESPN when they showed his practice.

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Blaze
Hockey's shaping up fairly good right now.
Who do you all think will win the Cup?
My guess is Toronto, but Tampa Bay, Detroit, and Colorado could very well go the distance too.
Course, being a Lightning fan, I am pulling for Tampa Bay, but they actually do have a damn good shot at it. They just need to keep their momentum going strong and try to stay relatively injury free down the stretch into the playoffs.
Id like to see the Bruins make it and they have a good shot because they are playing great right now but if I had to choose another then id say Ottawa against Colorado in the Stanley Cup.

Illchill

02-13-2004, 01:42 PM

Chargers should get Henson:)However, that is only if they didn't get the top pick (or within them).So they can get a QB in that anyway.

Eric Draven

02-13-2004, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Id like to see the Bruins make it and they have a good shot because they are playing great right now but if I had to choose another then id say Ottawa against Colorado in the Stanley Cup.

Ottawa has a good chance. They're just missing one key ingredient to go all the way though: the grittiness. For the past couple of years in the playoffs, and I hate to say this, but the Senators have been the Maple Leaf's *****. And that may've been partly because of the lack of grit in their line-up compared to the Leafs. However, I think that the Sens COULD'VE won the series again the Leafs two years ago if Chara hadn't have gone down with the injury. They were actually ahead when Chara was in the line-up but eventually lost the series. You never know though cause the Sens could actually pick up some grit by the trade deadline.

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Eric Draven
Ottawa has a good chance. They're just missing one key ingredient to go all the way though: the grittiness. For the past couple of years in the playoffs, and I hate to say this, but the Senators have been the Maple Leaf's *****. And that may've been partly because of the lack of grit in their line-up compared to the Leafs. However, I think that the Sens COULD'VE won the series again the Leafs two years ago if Chara hadn't have gone down with the injury. They were actually ahead when Chara was in the line-up but eventually lost the series. You never know though cause the Sens could actually pick up some grit by the trade deadline.
The Bruins need to win it, im sick of them doing good in the regular seasona and then sucking in the playoffs... Raycroft for rookie of the year.

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Chargers should get Henson:)However, that is only if they didn't get the top pick (or within them).So they can get a QB in that anyway.
Chargers can get Eli Manning... I think theyd rather him than Henson, bit if they dont get Eli then henson will be back in the picture.

Eric Draven

02-13-2004, 01:53 PM

That seems to be the same with the Sens as well. They do excellent in the regular season, and then falter by the play-offs. If you actually look at it, since 1995, only 4 teams have won the Stanley Cup - Dallas, Detroit, Colorado, and New Jersey. I expect one of those four to win it again, as sad as that sounds....:(

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Eric Draven
That seems to be the same with the Sens as well. They do excellent in the regular season, and then falter by the play-offs. If you actually look at it, since 1995, only 4 teams have won the Stanley Cup - Dallas, Detroit, Colorado, and New Jersey. I expect one of those four to win it again, as sad as that sounds....:(
I like Colorado, and somewhat like Dallas... I hate Detroit and New Jersey... I just hate them.

The Green Goblin

02-13-2004, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Soundwave
Dale Jr or Michael Waltrip. Pretty much anyone from DEI racing team. They seem to dominate at Daytona.

Earnhardt's crew chief blasted Waltrip for not working with him in the qualifying race.

Funny too since Jr helped push him to 2 500 wins and one in July.

The Green Goblin

02-13-2004, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Chargers can get Eli Manning... I think theyd rather him than Henson, bit if they dont get Eli then henson will be back in the picture.

The kid from Miami (Ohio) may be better than Henson.

Eric Draven

02-13-2004, 01:58 PM

I like Colorado too, but I hate Dallas with a passion....only because the Oil have played them every damn year in the playoffs since 1997 :p

I don't mind Detroit that much though, although I kinda wished that they did get screwed over when they sent Cujo down to the minors...

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Eric Draven
I like Colorado too, but I hate Dallas with a passion....only because the Oil have played them every damn year in the playoffs since 1997 :p

I don't mind Detroit that much though, although I kinda wished that they did get screwed over when they sent Cujo down to the minors...
What the hell is up with Edmonton this year? They like traded all there good players away. I liked Comrie, but he was sucking this year.

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by wareagle
The kid from Miami (Ohio) may be better than Henson.
Probably... but I would take Eli over all of them.

Eric Draven

02-13-2004, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
What the hell is up with Edmonton this year? They like traded all there good players away. I liked Comrie, but he was sucking this year.

They've always had to. We're an extremely small-market team, we just can't seem to afford the higher salaries that most teams seem to have. However, as a result, I don't think the owners lose very little money or just break even each year. And that's a good thing. I mean, did you hear about how much the NHL owners allegedly lost last year? :eek:

About Comrie, I hope he injures himself, whiney little ***** :mad:

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Eric Draven
They've always had to. We're an extremely small-market team, we just can't seem to afford the higher salaries that most teams seem to have. However, as a result, I don't think the owners lose very little money or just break even each year. And that's a good thing. I mean, did you hear about how much the NHL owners allegedly lost last year? :eek:

About Comrie, I hope he injures himself, whiney little ***** :mad:
Yeah I heard about it... I dont think Boston lost anything because they charge a **** load at the fleetcenter... its expensive.

Eric Draven

02-13-2004, 02:14 PM

It's looking more and more likely that there's not gonna be an NHL season next year....:(

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Eric Draven
It's looking more and more likely that there's not gonna be an NHL season next year....:(
The players will give in... they have no other jobs.

Eric Draven

02-13-2004, 02:18 PM

Some of them may end up playing in Europe or even the new WHA. I just honestly don't see any agreement between the NHL and the NHLPA.

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Eric Draven
Some of them may end up playing in Europe or even the new WHA. I just honestly don't see any agreement between the NHL and the NHLPA.
Yeah, I just hope one gives in so there can be a NHL season next year.

The Green Goblin

02-13-2004, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Probably... but I would take Eli over all of them.

No doubt. ;)

Zorro

02-13-2004, 02:39 PM

my seatte sonics sucj. :(

Eric Draven

02-13-2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Yeah, I just hope one gives in so there can be a NHL season next year.

Me too. Cause if there isn't, I may have to just solely watch NBA next year.....or even AHL or junior hockey! :eek:

reggiebar

02-13-2004, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by wareagle
The kid from Miami (Ohio) may be better than Henson.
Ben Roethlisberger is his name and he IS better than Henson who, BTW, only started like 9 games during his Michigan career.

On a side note, obviously, Eli Manning is a stud and will be a great quarterback for his entire career, but he is simply not a born winner. If Eli Manning wanted to WIN more than anything else, a trait you want in your quarterback, he would have gone to a different school other than Ole Miss where he could have had the opportunity to WIN a National Championship. There is no denying Eli's talent and I respect him for going to his father's school (nice little family thing), but if he REALLY WANTED TO WIN he would have gone to a different collge as he could have gone to just about any college in the country. His brother wanted to WIN more than please the old man and he went to UT to try to get it done - Eli, I don't know about "silver spoon" Eli Manning???

reggiebar

02-13-2004, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
If you re read my post you will see that I said WHOEVER gets Eli manning will be doing very good and not that Miami can and should get him. I said in general... meaning that one of these years in prefibly the next few they should be able to get a high pick, and if they wanted Eli bad enough they could trade up and get him... it would cost them though. They could probably get Henson if they wanted to also for not that much, he looked pretty good on ESPN when they showed his practice.

They wouldn't have enough to trade down from #20 to get Eli Manning or Ben Roethlisberger, but they may be able to trade down a few picks to get David Rivers (NC State) if it looks like he will be gone by #20. If Rivers is still available at 20, the Dolphins would be fools not to take him and you can call them a *****ty organization all you want as they would be *****ty if they passed up Rivers if available.

The Green Goblin

02-13-2004, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar

but they may be able to trade down a few picks to get David Rivers (NC State)

Another GOOD one. :up: MVP at the Senior Bowl.

And he's from Alabama. Still can't believe Auburn passed him up for Jason Campbell. :mad: Who you ask? Exactly. ;)

This could be shaping up as one of those "year of the quarterback" like the famous draft of '83.

Slipknot

02-13-2004, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar
If Eli Manning wanted to WIN more than anything else, a trait you want in your quarterback, he would have gone to a different school other than Ole Miss where he could have had the opportunity to WIN a National Championship.
Are you serious? I give him MAJOR recongnition for what he did and going to Ole Miss... Peyton went to Tennesee for the full scale attention but Eli went to a bad team and made them 20TH IN THE COUNTRY this year. Eli is a winner, he just didnt have the tools like Peyton had to try and win the nation Championship... it has nothing to do with Eli not being a winner which I think he is and more than Peyton. Eli turned up probably a lot more of the spotlight by going to Ole Miss and not say... Tennessee or Florida State, something like that on the big scale of tv games.

Illchill

02-14-2004, 01:09 PM

A-Rod rumored to go to Yanks.:rolleyes:

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:10 PM

Who is gonna win the Sprite Rising Stars Slam Dunk Contest?

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Chris Andersen Denver F-C 6-10 220 Blinn College
Ricky Davis Boston G 6-7 195 Iowa
Fred Jones Indiana G 6-2 218 Oregon
Jason Richardson Golden State G-F 6-6 225 Michigan State

Tukiluka

02-14-2004, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
A-Rod rumored to go to Yanks.:rolleyes: As a Dodger fan, I say this from the bottom of my heart: I hope Kevin Brown breaks his arm. :)

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
As a Dodger fan, I say this from the bottom of my heart: I hope Kevin Brown breaks his arm. :)
Yeah-hah, as a Red Sox fan... I hope all the Yankees players break there arms.

Tukiluka

02-14-2004, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Yeah-hah, as a Red Sox fan... I hope all the Yankees players break there arms. As a Dodger fan, I hate the Red Sox for not getting A-Rod and trading Nomar to the Dodgers! :mad: :p

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 01:15 PM

Sorry, can't really trawl through all 54 pages. But is anyone still arguing that football (the proper one, where you use your feet, not American) sucks? It started on the first page and then I realised how many pages there were to go through. Anyway, long story short, I've a few choice words for anyone still holding this opinion.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:16 PM

Who is gonna win the Foot Locker Three-Point Shootout Contest?

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PLAYER TEAM POS. HT. WT. FROM

Chauncey Billups Detroit G 6-3 202 Colorado
Kyle Korver* Philadelphia F 6-7 210 Creighton
Voshon Lenard Denver G 6-4 205 Minnesota
Rashard Lewis Seattle F 6-10 215 Alief Elsik HS
Cuttino Mobley Houston G 6-4 215 Rhode Island
Peja Stojakovic Sacramento F 6-10 229 Serbia-Montenegro
* Injury replacement for Seattle's Brent Barry

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
As a Dodger fan, I hate the Red Sox for not getting A-Rod and trading Nomar to the Dodgers! :mad: :p
Hey, I wanted that trade just as much as you... well to the White Sox first to get Magglio Ordonez and THEN to the Dodgers.

Tukiluka

02-14-2004, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
Sorry, can't really trawl through all 54 pages. But is anyone still arguing that football (the proper one, where you use your feet, not American) sucks? It started on the first page and then I realised how many pages there were to go through. Anyway, long story short, I've a few choice words for anyone still holding this opinion. You mean soccer? Cuz football is American.

Tukiluka

02-14-2004, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Hey, I wanted that trade just as much as you... well to the White Sox first to get Magglio Ordonez and THEN to the Dodgers. As long as the Dodgers would have gotten him I would have been happy. Now they are talking about a stupid Odalis Perez for Frank Thomas trade. I don;t think Thomas can play first all year. So that sucks.

And if Shilling and Pedro stay healthy...the Yankees could bring back Babe Ruth and they still ain't gonna win.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:20 PM

Who is gonna win the 989 Sports Skills Challenge?

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PARTICIPANTS

PLAYER TEAM POS. HT. WT. FROM
Earl Boykins Denver G 5-5 133 Eastern Michigan
Baron Davis New Orleans G 6-3 223 UCLA
Stephon Marbury New York G 6-2 205 Georgia Tech
Gary Payton L.A. Lakers G 6-4 180 Oregon State

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
And if Shilling and Pedro stay healthy...the Yankees could bring back Babe Ruth and they still ain't gonna win.
Hopefully your right... hey a guy from Boston baught the Dodgers I heard, I hope he does well and gets some good players.

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
You mean soccer? Cuz football is American.
I mean football. Where you kick a BALL with your FOOT. We invented the game, it was called Football long before you started calling your bastardised version of Rugby 'Football'. I plain refuse to call it soccer. Call it a case of we were there first.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:24 PM

Who is gonna win the RadioShack Shooting Stars Contest?

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PARTICIPANTS

DETROIT

PLAYER FROM
Chauncey Billups Detroit Pistons
Cheryl Ford Detroit Shock
John Salley Detroit Pistons (Ret.)

L.A. CLIPPERS

PLAYER FROM
Marko Jaric Los Angeles Clippers
Nikki Teasley Los Angeles Sparks
Terry Cummings Los Angeles Clippers (Ret.)

L.A. LAKERS

PLAYER FROM
Derek Fisher Los Angeles Lakers
Lisa Leslie Los Angeles Sparks
Magic Johnson Los Angeles Lakers (Ret.)

SAN ANTONIO

PLAYER FROM
Emanuel Ginobili San Antonio Spurs
Jennifer Azzi San Antonio Silver Stars (Ret.)
Steve Kerr San Antonio Spurs (Ret.)

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
I mean football. Where you kick a BALL with your FOOT. We invented the game, it was called Football long before you started calling your bastardised version of Rugby 'Football'. I plain refuse to call it soccer. Call it a case of we were there first.
So your from York, England then right?

Tukiluka

02-14-2004, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Hopefully your right... hey a guy from Boston baught the Dodgers I heard, I hope he does well and gets some good players. I'm pretty skepticle of the guy. I hope I'm wrong. The Dodgers farm system is really good. But yeah, the big league team blows.

Tukiluka

02-14-2004, 01:27 PM

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
So your from York, England then right?
Not from there. Glasgow originally. Live there now. And I realised you might be taking the piss. Are you?

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
I'm pretty skepticle of the guy. I hope I'm wrong. The Dodgers farm system is really good. But yeah, the big league team blows.
Well if you have a good farm system then your dong pretty good even if the big league team blows now, atleast you dont have a team with all old players and nothing in the minors like some teams have... the Yankees are trying to get Adrian Beltre because Boone is out for the season, the Red Sox just need maybe one more good player to put them way beyond the Yankees.

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
Yeah, but you got to the colonies first too. And like football, we made them better. :p
Well, you made Rugby with more violence and padding, but a much slower game. Didn't do anything to football.

Tukiluka

02-14-2004, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
Well, you made Rugby with more violence and padding, but a much slower game. Didn't do anything to football. Violence is good. Soccer is not.

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 01:34 PM

Can I just raise a serious point if I may. Why is it that America's four main sports (Hockey/American Football/Baseball/Basketball) are really only played with any success in America and the surrounding countries? Whereas the rest of the freaking world play sports that I like to watch like Football, Rugby and Cricket? I'd actually like some kind of answer to that, because it strikes me as odd.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
Can I just raise a serious point if I may. Why is it that America's four main sports (Hockey/American Football/Baseball/Basketball) are really only played with any success in America and the surrounding countries? Whereas the rest of the freaking world play sports that I like to watch like Football, Rugby and Cricket? I'd actually like some kind of answer to that, because it strikes me as odd.
Well, those sports are a lot more interesting and entertaining to watch here in America and we were all brought up watching them... I dont hate watching Football (Soccer) but the ONLY time I found it excting to watch was at the World Cup... any other time it gets pretty boring. Rugby and Cricket are nothing too special to watch either usually. Here in Boston you are brought up to love sports usually like the Red Sox, Patriots, Bruins, and the Celtics... you love your home team... well we dont have a Cricket or Rugby team here. We have the MLS for Football (Soccer) but it blows. I know you probably dont like our sports for the same reason... you were brought up watching Cricket, Rugby, and Football (Soccer) and werent brought up watching our sports and have no Baseball, American Football, Hockey or Basketball teams over there.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
Well, you made Rugby with more violence and padding, but a much slower game.
And made it much more complex and much better... you say they wear pads like saying it like there pussies or something but I dont see Rugby playing against 300 pound guys ever play. The NFL is much better than Rugby, we made it into a game that tons of people watch even all over the world.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
And I realised you might be taking the piss. Are you?
taking the piss...

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
And made it much more complex and much better... you say they wear pads like saying it like there pussies or something but I dont see Rugby playing against 300 pound guys ever play. The NFL is much better than Rugby, we made it into a game that tons of people watch even all over the world.
Not at all, that's why I said the game has more violence. But there are 300 pound rugby players. I'm getting to your last comment in a minute.

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
taking the piss...
It means making fun. There was a big hoo-haa about London, England etc on the 'I'm going to be king' thread.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
It means making fun. There was a big hoo-haa about London, England etc on the 'I'm going to be king' thread.
No, I find England to be quite nice actually, I would like to see it one day.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
Not at all, that's why I said the game has more violence. But there are 300 pound rugby players. I'm getting to your last comment in a minute.
I have never seen a 300 pound rugby player...

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Well, those sports are a lot more interesting and entertaining to watch here in America and we were all brought up watching them... I dont hate watching Football (Soccer) but the ONLY time I found it excting to watch was at the World Cup... any other time it gets pretty boring. Rugby and Cricket are nothing too special to watch either usually. Here in Boston you are brought up to love sports usually like the Red Sox, Patriots, Bruins, and the Celtics... you love your home team... well we dont have a Cricket or Rugby team here. We have the MLS for Football (Soccer) but it blows. I know you probably dont like our sports for the same reason... you were brought up watching Cricket, Rugby, and Football (Soccer) and werent brought up watching our sports and have no Baseball, American Football, Hockey or Basketball teams over there.
I was thinking as well. The three sports I mentioned (football, rugby, cricket) all have World Cups, open to every country around the world who can get a team together and qualify for it. It strikes me as odd that all the major U.S sports don't have a similar set-up possibly due to the fact that it's only really America that play those sports. The fact of the matter is football is the biggest sport on the planet. You can argue about how good it is, but you can't argue with that.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
I was thinking as well. The three sports I mentioned (football, rugby, cricket) all have World Cups, open to every country around the world who can get a team together and qualify for it. It strikes me as odd that all the major U.S sports don't have a similar set-up possibly due to the fact that it's only really America that play those sports. The fact of the matter is football is the biggest sport on the planet. You can argue about how good it is, but you can't argue with that.
If the people of American were interested in playing Cricket, Football (Soccer) and Rugby then I guarantee we would have one of the greatest teams in the world for all of those sports but since were not interested in it and it isnt a big thing in sports over here then it will never be real big... Football (Soccer) is starting to become a little popular over here so maybe we'll have a decent team in years to come.

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 03:19 PM

You had a rugby team in the last World Cup. Didn't do too great though.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by spidertwit
You had a rugby team in the last World Cup. Didn't do too great though.
Like I said, no interest in the sport in America.

PoAnTimRSexi

02-14-2004, 03:23 PM

Alex Rodriguez, pending league approval, is a New York Yankee. Soriano and an un-named prospect for Rodriguez.

The evil empire strikes again. :)

spidertwit

02-14-2004, 03:25 PM

The insular approach to the sports Americans like is odd though.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Alex Rodriguez, pending league approval, is a New York Yankee. Soriano and an un-named prospect for Rodriguez.

The evil empire strikes again. :)
Theres no done deal, I am watching ESPN now and on ESPN.com and see nothing but a story that says its a "long shot" to get him and it would have to go through TONS of legal **** to get him.

PoAnTimRSexi

02-14-2004, 03:30 PM

http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-ar...-span-headlines

"A-Rod Bronx Bound

By Jon Heyman and Ken Davidoff
Staff Writer

February 14, 2004, 3:02 PM EST

The Yankees and Rangers have an agreement in principle on a monster trade that will send superstar shortstop Alex Rodriguez to New York in exchange for Alfonso Soriano, Newsday has learned.

No announcement is expected today, as a couple very minor technical details are still to be worked out. However, all sides remain confident everything will be finalized within a few days, a source said.

The Yankees are expected to send a minor-league pitcher along with Soriano to Texas to complete the deal.

The impetus for the deal was Rodriguez's surprising willingness to agree to play third base. Once Rodriguez signaled to the Yankees that he'd be willing to play third for them and defer the coveted shortstop position to Derek Jeter, a longtime friend, the talks moved very quickly.

The Yankees recently lost their starting third baseman Aaron Boone to a knee injury suffered in a pickup basketball game a month ago and have been seeking a viable replacement.

The blockbuster deal that puts Rodriguez, perhaps baseball's best all-around player, in New York, is a major blow to the rival Boston Red Sox, who spent many weeks chasing and courting Rodriguez. However, Boston's deal with Texas and A-Rod broke down when the Red Sox demanded that A-Rod and Texas both pay handsomely to offset the Rodriguez contract.

The Yankees have never let money stand in their way, and the acquisition of Rodriguez will push their payroll past $200 million. However, it is thought the Rangers have agreed to pay the Yankees some money to mitigate the drastic difference in the contracts. Rodriguez has $189 million and seven years remaining on his record $252-million deal, while Soriano is a tremendous bargain at $5.4 million this season. Soriano is ineligible for free agency until after the 2006 season.

It is believed Rodriguez also has agreed to alter the deferrals in his contract to get the deal done. It is not known how much money Rodriguez has agreed to defer."

That, coupled with ESPNews saying the trade is close to official, makes me believe it will be announced tomorrow.

Only minor things have to be ironed out, such as health physicals, and salary deferring.

Edit: Suddenly that article is no longer working via the link. I SMELL A CONSPIRACY.

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:32 PM

NEW YORK -- Alex Rodriguez will be playing third base for the Yankees this season, alongside shortstop Derek Jeter, if Newsday is to be believed.

The 600,000-plus circulation newspaper on suburban Long Island, N.Y., reported on its web site Saturday afternoon that A-Rod is desperate to get out of Texas and would be willing to switch positions to get to New York.

Earlier Saturday, reacting to a report in Newsday's morning edition that talks of a trade were serious, a source close to the conversations told ESPN that talks are in the early stages but that it's a "longshot" the deal will ever be completed because of "many hurdles" that stand in the way.

According to the Newsday web report, those hurdles are in the process of being knocked down. No announcement is expected today, according to Newsday, as some minor technical details remain to be worked out, but the story reported that all sides remain confident everything will be finalized within a few days.

The New York Post, which is usually leading the way when sensational stories pop up, reported Saturday only that the Yankees have asked the Rangers about their interest in making such a trade, in which Alfonso Soriano would leave New York.

On Saturday afternoon, The Associated Press reported that the Yanks and Rangers had started preliminary discussions Wednesday night, according to a high-ranking baseball official, and that it's still too early to tell whether they will lead to a deal. Rodriguez has a no-trade clause but has said he would be amenable to a deal to the Yankees, the official said.

Soriano, 25, is signed only through 2004, for $5.4 million. He can't be a free agent until after the 2006 season. The 28-year-old Rodriguez is owed $189 million over the next seven years, although he can opt out after 2007. Thus, the Yankees would take on an extra $183.6 million guaranteed if the deal is consummated.

However, according to Newsday's source, the Rangers would be willing to foot some of that bill. The American League source also told Newsday that the two clubs talked late into Friday night about the trade.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman admitted to the Post on Friday that he has approached the Rangers about a deal, but was initially turned down.

"There are many times I float weather balloons to my counterparts," Cashman told the Post. "I won't comment on trade rumors, but it should come as no surprise that I am constantly floating weather balloons to my counterparts. Ninety-nine [percent] of them get popped and fall to the ground."

Texas officials did not immediately return telephone calls, according to the AP, which reached Rodriguez's agent, Scott Boras, only to have him say, "I can't comment on the situation."

The Post reported that the Yankees would likely have to give up Jose Contreras as well as minor-league catcher Dioner Navarro in such a trade.

The Red Sox and Rangers talked extensively this winter about a deal involving A-Rod, but could not get it done, thanks to A-Rod's contract. The two teams did agree to a trade in December, but the union refused to approve it, declaring that A-Rod was setting an unacceptable precedent by diminishing his contract's value.

Rangers owner Tom Hicks then announced that Rodriguez would stay with the Rangers, and last month the team named A-Rod its captain.

The Yankees recently lost third baseman Aaron Boone to what likely is a season-ending knee injury. The trade would create a void at second base for the Yankees. Enrique Wilson and Miguel Cairo would have to share the duties.

Rodriguez, who has 345 career homers, is coming off an MVP season in which he hit .298 with 47 homers and 118 RBI.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1735039

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:34 PM

That is no means a done deal... I read a thousand of these stories when the Red Sox were "supposed" to get him and more of them said it was a done deal.

PoAnTimRSexi

02-14-2004, 03:39 PM

Yeah, it's obviously not set in stone. But the Red Sox had other issues to take care of during their pursuit of the trade, ie: working out the salary issues. The Yankees have no problem taking on A-Rod's salary, and most likely none of it will have to be deferred. So most of the legality and the issues with the player's assocation won't have any effect in this case.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20040214&content_id=637189&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

And, usually, if MLB.com has reported the trade, it's very close to being official. It still might fall through some how, so hold onto that hope, Sox fans. :p

Slipknot

02-14-2004, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Yeah, it's obviously not set in stone. But the Red Sox had other issues to take care of during their pursuit of the trade, ie: working out the salary issues. The Yankees have no problem taking on A-Rod's salary, and most likely none of it will have to be deferred. So most of the legality and the issues with the player's assocation won't have any effect in this case.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20040214&content_id=637189&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

And, usually, if MLB.com has reported the trade, it's very close to being official. It still might fall through some how, so hold onto that hope, Sox fans. :p
I hate the Yankees.. just felt I needed to put that one out there.

Illchill

02-14-2004, 07:01 PM

Well, hopefully EA sports will put him on the cover of their next MLB game, then we won't have to worry about him!:DReally though, that is ghey.Screw Rangers, screw Yankees, screw MLB officials not letting him come to us.The MLB should just make every team have an 85 mil payroll so GM skills actually come into play.Anyone could play Steinbrenner.I can't stand Yankees. is just another EPIC page in the rivalry.YANKEES SUCK YANKEES SUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1YANKEES SUCK!

Illchill

02-15-2004, 07:26 AM

Great NBA All-Star saturday IMO.

stevey L

02-15-2004, 07:33 AM

Uh oh. The best overall baseball player in the game just joined one of the best teams in the MLB...Yikes, they just made a big profit from that trade, not economically, but talent wise.

Still a big mistake letting Pettitite go. They're gonna hit a lot of homeruns, but if the pitching falls through, people will be asking why Pettitte wasn't re-signed and why you didn't go for a starter like Bartolo Colon.

Illchill

02-15-2004, 03:56 PM

Van horn goes to Bucks!

reggiebar

02-16-2004, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by stevey L
Uh oh. The best overall baseball player in the game just joined one of the best teams in the MLB...Yikes, they just made a big profit from that trade, not economically, but talent wise.

Still a big mistake letting Pettitite go. They're gonna hit a lot of homeruns, but if the pitching falls through, people will be asking why Pettitte wasn't re-signed and why you didn't go for a starter like Bartolo Colon.

No need to worry about the Yankees pitching....here is a post of mine from 12/02/03 in the "Astros Sign Pettitte" topic that discusses the Yankees pitching....

Originally posted by reggiebar
As a life-long Yankee fan, I am saddened by the news and wish Andy the best. However, Andy Pettitte IS NOT a number one starter - period. For his whole career as a Yankee, he has always been about the 3rd pitcher on the Yankees and to try to deny that this slot in the rotation plus the fact that he had great run support in New York helped him temondously, is foolish. Sorry Houston, but you are way overpaying for a man you believe is a number 1 starter when in fact he is a number three starter. Yes, he was a big game pitcher in October and that can not be denied, but he is not a 10+ million a year starter.

Now, for all of the people who think that with Clemens retiring and the Yankees losing Pettitte to the Astros will hurt NY, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. The Yankees already aquired a better pitcher, and younger pitcher than Pettitte, in Javier Vasquez - period. Also, as soon as the Yankees trade for Kevin Brown, they will have a guy who is younger and better at this point in his career than Clemens. So, the Yankees actually upgraded Celemens with Brown and upgraded Pettitte with Vasquez who is one of the best young pitchers in baseball. Also, when the Sheffield's deal is worked out, the Yankees will get a huge upgrade in right field to add to a line-up that led the American league last years in runs.

So, Yankee haters, Sox lovers, all of you, wait just one minute before you start your ding dong the Yanks are dead chants as Mussina/Vasquez/Brown is just as potent as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe and Jose Contreras is a better number 4 than Wakefield. Plus, the Yanks still have Mo in the pen!

The Yankees have actually upgraded both of the pitchers and are adding more bat talent, so if you think these moves are hurting the Yankees, think again. The Yankees will come back even stronger next year and that only means doom for the reast of the AL. I hate to break to you all of you BoSox fans, but the Yankees pitching staff is actually better (whether you want to belive it or not) and, well, we all know how they upgraded in other positions (A-Rod, Sheff, Lofton).

Boston Red Sox fans, do yourselves a favor and enjoy the fact that you have the best team in football and a making of a NFL dynasty, because I will be chanting "1918" "1918" come October again.

Illchill

02-16-2004, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by reggiebar
No need to worry about the Yankees pitching....here is a post of mine from 12/02/03 in the "Astros Sign Pettitte" topic that discusses the Yankees pitching....

I hate to break to you all of you BoSox fans, but the Yankees pitching staff is actually better (whether you want to belive it or not) and, well, we all know how they upgraded in other positions (A-Rod, Sheff, Lofton).

Boston Red Sox fans, do yourselves a favor and enjoy the fact that you have the best team in football and a making of a NFL dynasty, because I will be chanting "1918" "1918" come October again.
Will that be when you lose the world series to another small-market team?But gimme a break.Pedro is best pitcher in AL when healthy.Vasquez is better than Lowe true, but Schilling is better than Moose when healthy.Like I said, it is tighter today than any other year recently.And you said about how you upgraded.That is because we didn't have anything to upgrade!Our pen is better, which was the only thing that needed improvement.Our lineup is the same as last year's record-shattering one, minus Walker.

reggiebar

02-16-2004, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
Will that be when you lose the world series to another small-market team?But gimme a break.Pedro is best pitcher in AL when healthy.Vasquez is better than Lowe true, but Schilling is better than Moose when healthy.Like I said, it is tighter today than any other year recently.And you said about how you upgraded.That is because we didn't have anything to upgrade!Our pen is better, which was the only thing that needed improvement.Our lineup is the same as last year's record-shattering one, minus Walker.

Please....almost all of the Boston hitters had career years last year and do you think they are all going to hit that way again?? NO CHANCE!

You keep mentioning when healthy about your pitching staff - that is the key!

Take Vasquez as a Yankee for example (see below)

"The 27-year-old right-hander has been durable -- he's the only pitcher with 200 innings, 170 strikeouts and an ERA under 4.000 in each of the last three seasons. "

If you look at their stats, Brown and Pedro are almost identical (except Brown pitches more innings). Moose and Schill are almost the same, so you then go to the 3 and 4 starters (Vasquez is far better than Lowe and Contreras is a better 4 than Wakefield).....as for the bullpen, Mariano Rivera - greatest closer ever - nuff said!!!

As for your claim that Boston has a better bullpen, you can make that claim when YOU ACTUALLY BEAT THE YANKEES in a playoff series.

BTW, did I mention 1918 this morning?

Yes, the Yankees were beat by the Marlins last year and Florida was a better team - not hard to admit.

reggiebar

02-16-2004, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
And you said about how you upgraded.That is because we didn't have anything to upgrade!Our pen is better, which was the only thing that needed improvement.Our lineup is the same as last year's record-shattering one, minus Walker.

If you think that falling short of the World Series is enough "because we didn't have anything to upgrade!" you can fall short again....

Illchill

02-16-2004, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by reggiebar
Please....almost all of the Boston hitters had career years last year and do you think they are all going to hit that way again?? NO CHANCE!

You keep mentioning when healthy about your pitching staff - that is the key!

Take Vasquez as a Yankee for example (see below)

"The 27-year-old right-hander has been durable -- he's the only pitcher with 200 innings, 170 strikeouts and an ERA under 4.000 in each of the last three seasons. "

If you look at their stats, Brown and Pedro are almost identical (except Brown pitches more innings). Moose and Schill are almost the same, so you then go to the 3 and 4 starters (Vasquez is far better than Lowe and Contreras is a better 4 than Wakefield).....as for the bullpen, Mariano Rivera - greatest closer ever - nuff said!!!

As for your claim that Boston has a better bullpen, you can make that claim when YOU ACTUALLY BEAT THE YANKEES in a playoff series.

BTW, did I mention 1918 this morning?

Yes, the Yankees were beat by the Marlins last year and Florida was a better team - not hard to admit.

And Diamonbacks mind you.This arguement will never end.When the season starts we will see who is right.But Pedro si ebtter than Brown, no one can deny.Brown is also the only guy in the Majors who has more of a health risk than Pedro.Schilling is better than Moose, he just is, he is Curt Schilling.Wakefield and Conteras can have Cy Young years or horrible years, they are huge variables.Foulke is at this point a better closer.Mendoza is also a huge variable.And yea, I DO think the Sox hitters can repeat.Nomar had a subpar year last year, so expect him to be way better, Manny is still better than any of your hitters save A-Rod, but he is still feared more than even him.In a record-breaking offense he lead the League in IBBs!!!Ortiz was finally allowed to show his stuff, and he will continue.All these guys didn't have career years, they ahd BREAKTHROUGH years.But, we sahll see come baseball season.But for me baseball really starts April 16th at Fenway when Pintsipes visit.

Illchill

02-16-2004, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by reggiebar
If you think that falling short of the World Series is enough "because we didn't have anything to upgrade!" you can fall short again....

Then I went on to say our only thing was bullpen needs, which we easily took care of.Francona holds the key to all of this.But even I could manage this team to a Championship.

reggiebar

02-16-2004, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
And Diamonbacks mind you.This arguement will never end.When the season starts we will see who is right.But Pedro si ebtter than Brown, no one can deny.Brown is also the only guy in the Majors who has more of a health risk than Pedro.Schilling is better than Moose, he just is, he is Curt Schilling.Wakefield and Conteras can have Cy Young years or horrible years, they are huge variables.Foulke is at this point a better closer.Mendoza is also a huge variable.And yea, I DO think the Sox hitters can repeat.Nomar had a subpar year last year, so expect him to be way better, Manny is still better than any of your hitters save A-Rod, but he is still feared more than even him.In a record-breaking offense he lead the League in IBBs!!!Ortiz was finally allowed to show his stuff, and he will continue.All these guys didn't have career years, they ahd BREAKTHROUGH years.But, we sahll see come baseball season.But for me baseball really starts April 16th at Fenway when Pintsipes visit.

Yeah, for Boston fans the season does start in April and ends in September....for Yankee fans, we start the season in October....that is the difference in our franchises - WINNING WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIPS!

reggiebar

02-16-2004, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
And Diamonbacks mind you.This arguement will never end.When the season starts we will see who is right.But Pedro si ebtter than Brown, no one can deny.Brown is also the only guy in the Majors who has more of a health risk than Pedro.Schilling is better than Moose, he just is, he is Curt Schilling.Wakefield and Conteras can have Cy Young years or horrible years, they are huge variables.Foulke is at this point a better closer.Mendoza is also a huge variable.And yea, I DO think the Sox hitters can repeat.Nomar had a subpar year last year, so expect him to be way better, Manny is still better than any of your hitters save A-Rod, but he is still feared more than even him.In a record-breaking offense he lead the League in IBBs!!!Ortiz was finally allowed to show his stuff, and he will continue.All these guys didn't have career years, they ahd BREAKTHROUGH years.But, we sahll see come baseball season.But for me baseball really starts April 16th at Fenway when Pintsipes visit.

BTW, Manny is not better than Sheffield.....oh, for the record, how many rings does Manny have?

Illchill

02-16-2004, 09:50 AM

Hey, for a team with a 400 bilion dollar payroll, a 3 year drought is pathetic.Sure, the Sox havent won since 1918, there is no denying that.But can Yankees fan say anything but that?Keep going to history for your support, not the present.

Illchill

02-16-2004, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by reggiebar
BTW, Manny is not better than Sheffield.....oh, for the record, how many rings does Manny have?

Manny is better than Sheff!I am sorry, he just si.It is common sense.Not atitude or effort wise, but watch.Manny will be jumpstarted this year becaus eof how the Sox are trying to rid theirselves of him, but he WILL grab near 50 homers and 120 RBIs, along with batting title.

reggiebar

02-16-2004, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
Hey, for a team with a 400 bilion dollar payroll, a 3 year drought is pathetic.Sure, the Sox havent won since 1918, there is no denying that.But can Yankees fan say anything but that?Keep going to history for your support, not the present.

Huh? The present is that the Yankees lost the World Series and Boston didn't make it - period. The future is that Boston loses again to New York. The past is, well, not kind to the Red Sox. The Yankees are 4 World Series for the last 8, so save it...as for the payroll, PLEASE! You are Boston and not Kansas City, so file it because you have no right to talk about high payroll either and if you could have made the A-Rod trade you would be just as happy as us Yankee fans - thank you Brian Cashman.

Oh, as for the 1918 thing, Yankee fans don't need to say anythign else, because, simply, you haven't won since 1918 - PERIOD. Win and you won't have to hear it anymore. As a New York Ranger fan, I hated the 1940 chants, but I couldn't say anything until after 94', because there was nothing other hockey fans needed to say except 1940. Do Yankee fans need to say anyting else to Boston fans except 1918? No.

reggiebar

02-16-2004, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
Manny is better than Sheff!I am sorry, he just si.It is common sense.Not atitude or effort wise, but watch.Manny will be jumpstarted this year becaus eof how the Sox are trying to rid theirselves of him, but he WILL grab near 50 homers and 120 RBIs, along with batting title.

Gary Sheffield...

2003 - BA - .330, RBI - 132, OBP - .419, HR - 39, R - 126, SLG - .604, OPS - 1.03

Manny....

2003 - BA - .325, RBI - 104, OBP - .427, HR - 37, R - 117, SLG - .587, OPS - 1.014

So, tell me again how is Manny better than Sheff??? Also, Sheffield has won. Manny is a cancer that Boston would trade away in a heart beat if any team was stupid enough to take his salary.

Next time get your facts straight! It is just "common sense"

Illchill

02-16-2004, 11:13 AM

Tell Major League pitchers and Major League managers that Manny is worse than Sheff.28 IBB walks to 6!In a lineup better than the Braves.Listen, the absolute most I'd give you on this arguement is that it is a tie.Manny is more respected with the bat than any other righty.Obviously fileding Sheff is better because of he actually fields, but Manny plays the Monster perfectly which is something NO outfielder has done since the great #8.Like I said thoguh, this will keep going til the season starts and we will see who is right.

reggiebar

02-16-2004, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
Tell Major League pitchers and Major League managers that Manny is worse than Sheff.28 IBB walks to 6!In a lineup better than the Braves.Listen, the absolute most I'd give you on this arguement is that it is a tie.Manny is more respected with the bat than any other righty.Obviously fileding Sheff is better because of he actually fields, but Manny plays the Monster perfectly which is something NO outfielder has done since the great #8.Like I said thoguh, this will keep going til the season starts and we will see who is right.

I have a lot of friends from Boston and I just like busting your chops...obviously, we won't know who is right or wrong until October....personally, I think Sheff and Manny are a wash - good arguments can be made for either player being better than the other one - I just had to call B.S. on the Manny is better than any other Yankee except A-Rod.

We will see, but on paper, the new Yankee line-up looks to be one of the all-time great line-ups, not today, but ever....

1. Kenny Lofton - CF/DH
2. Derek Jeter - SS
3. Alex Rodriguez - 3B
4. Jason Giambi - 1B
5. Gary Sheffield - RF
6. Bernie Williams - DH/CF
7. Jorge Posada - C
8. Hideki Matsui - LF
9. Miguel Cairo - 2B

The Yankee 6,7, & 8 hitters could very well be 3,4,5 guys on about 80% of baseball teams.

It should be a very exciting year for MLB this year and the NY/Boston games are going to be off the charts (I have worn a Yankee jersey to the bleachers in Boston in recent years, but I think if I had the opportunity this year, I wouldn't - I can't imagine the utter HATRED that is going to fill Fenway this year).

Illchill

02-16-2004, 02:44 PM

At least we found somewhat common ground.Does any1 know if A-Rod can even play 3rd?

cyborg ninja 14

02-16-2004, 06:18 PM

:mad: Yankees suck teh cock

Slipknot

02-17-2004, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by cyborg ninja 14
:mad: Yankees suck teh cock
100% Agreed.

reggiebar

02-17-2004, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
At least we found somewhat common ground.Does any1 know if A-Rod can even play 3rd?

His reactionary skills at short will translate perfectly to third as he is one of the games best shortstops ever at getting a jump on the ball which is basically what playing third entails....I always thought he was much more of a old-school third baseman anyhow (see Mike Schmidt) with his power at the bat and quick moves to the ball.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 12:17 PM

At least Nomah is now the best shortstop in MLB.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 12:23 PM

First base: Kevin Millar vs. Jason Giambi
Millar and David Ortiz will carry the load in Boston, while Tony Clark, a former Boston first baseman, will spell Giambi in New York. Millar drove in 96 runs and smacked 25 homers, so he's no slouch. But Giambi, even with bad legs that limited his time and defensive ability at first, smacked 41 homers and drove in 107.

Second base: Pokey Reese vs. Enrique Wilson
The only non-glam position on the field, the Red Sox let Todd Walker and his 85 RBIs go and signed Reese, who tries to make up for his feeble bat with wicked glovework. Wilson, a career backup, played only 10 games behind Alfonso Soriano (who went to Texas for A-Rod) in '03. These guys are simple stuffing beside the main course. We'll call it a push. --

Third base: Bill Mueller vs. Alex Rodriguez
He's easy to forget, but the switch-hitting Mueller won the AL batting crown last season, hitting .326 with 85 RBIs. He also hit .358 with runners on. Still, he's no A-Rod. Rodriguez was "off" in '03 with 47 homers and 118 RBIs, and he'll have a lot more protection in the lineup now. A Gold Glove winner at shortstop in Texas, A-Rod's transition to third base shouldn't be too difficult.

Shortstop: Nomar Garciaparra vs. Derek Jeter
The free-swinging Garciaparra was dissed big-time in the attempted trade for A-Rod. But Nomar's a pro, and he'll continue his hacking ways (105 RBIs) in a contract year. Jeter has faded defensively, but he's the Yanks' captain and the team's heart. He hit .324 despite a bad shoulder.

Catcher: Jason Varitek vs. Jorge Posada
Both are switch-hitters, they're practically equal defensively and both are solid handlers of the pitching staff. Varitek hit 25 homers and drove in 85 runs last season, while Posada smacked 30 and knocked in 101 runs. The fact is, these are probably the two best catchers in the AL. The question is, who's No. 1? Posada, probably.

Left field: Manny Ramirez vs. Hideki Matsui
The Red Sox tried to rid themselves of Ramirez in the attempt to get A-Rod, but that had more to do with salary and off-field transgressions than performance (.325, 37 homers, 104 RBIs). Matsui's rookie season was good (.287, 16, 106). Neither will win a Gold Glove in the outfield. For pure hitting skill alone, Manny gets the nod.

Center field: Johnny Damon vs. Kenny Lofton
Two capable leadoff men, both Damon and Lofton can still swipe a base (they each stole 30 in '03). One of the biggest differences is Damon's superior defense, though neither has a particularly good arm. Both players will play the traditional role of setup men to the sluggers. We like youth, so the edge goes to the Red Sox.

Right field: Trot Nixon vs. Gary Sheffield
Nixon was good enough last season, hitting a career-high .306 and smashing 28 homers, to earn a three-year deal. He struggled against lefties, though, hitting .219. Sheff had an MVP-type year for the Braves (.330, 39, 132), was great against either lefties and righties and can zip the ball from the outfield with authority.

DH: David Ortiz vs. Bernie Williams
Ortiz wants to play more first base and Williams wants his job in center field back, but until then, they'll DH. Ortiz, with 31 homers and 101 RBIs, was mentioned as an MVP candidate last season. Williams battled knee and shoulder problems and had his worst season in 10 years (a .778 combined slugging/on-base percentage).

Rotation: Martinez-Schilling-Lowe-Wakefield-Kim vs. Mussina-Brown-Vazquez-Contreras-Lieber
Thanks to the defections of Andy Pettitte and David Wells, Joe Torre is stuck without a lefty or the first time during tenure in New York. The Yankees have turned over 60 percent of their rotation. Only ace Mussina (who never has won 20 games) and Contreras (who struggled in relief but still had opponents whiffing at a .202 clip) remain. Vazquez (a 3.24 ERA and a .229 average against for Montreal in '03) is solid, though some wonder how he'll react to the Big Apple. If Brown stays healthy (a 2.39 ERA in 211 innings last season), the Yanks will be tough. Lieber is a question mark, coming off Tommy John surgery. In Boston, and everywhere else, everybody knows what Martinez and Schilling can, and probably will, do. Lowe got banged around some but still won 17 games, and the indestructible knuckleballer Wakefield is a solid No. 4. The surprise for the Red Sox may come from submarining righty Kim, who finally gets a full-time spot in the rotation after bouncing around in the bullpen forever. This is close, but because of depth, we'll give the edge to the Red Sox.

Bullpen: Williamson-Timlin-Embree-Mendoza-Foulke vs. Gordon-Quantrill-Karsay-Heredia-Rivera
The Red Sox improved one of the weakest spots on the team with the addition of Foulke (43 saves and a .183 batting average against in Oakland). But the Yankees, who still have the best closer in the AL (40 saves, 1.66 ERA for Rivera), added Gordon (.213 batting average against in 66 games for the Cubs) and Quantrill (1.75 ERA in 89 games in L.A.) and may get back Karsay, who had shoulder problems last season.

Manager: Terry Francona vs. Joe Torre
One thing Grady Little did well in Boston was improve the clubhouse chemistry. Francona, who replaces Little, is supposed to be able to do the same. Talent-wise, he has more to work with. Torre is facing a lot of change, again, and in the last year of his contract with the best lineup he's had, he faces more pressure than ever. If anyone can bring all this together, though, it's the unflappable Torre.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 12:24 PM

I agree with that great comparison on all but bullpen.Mendoza is too good to have two straight years like he did, and he is said to be doing great right now.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 12:25 PM

From CNNSI.com BTW, so I don't get in trouble.

Slipknot

02-17-2004, 01:08 PM

Hey reggiebar, how bout them NY Rangers eh? There really skating it up out there theses days with the highest payed players in the NHL, 11th place in the East man... they gotta keep that skating up.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 06:10 PM

Wow, for a state so angry about Kobe allegedly raping a woman there, their college seems ok with it.

Slipknot

02-17-2004, 06:16 PM

http://venus.walagata.com/w/slipknot/ILOVENY.gif

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Wow, for a state so angry about Kobe allegedly raping a woman there, their college seems ok with it. :D :D :D :D :D HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Illchill

02-17-2004, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
http://venus.walagata.com/w/slipknot/ILOVENY.gif

Hello new avatar.;) Thanx Slip.

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 06:26 PM

Is Kevin Millar still a douchbag for what he said on Sportscenter?

Illchill

02-17-2004, 06:27 PM

About Nomah?I remember it vaguely, what'd he say?

Slipknot

02-17-2004, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Hello new avatar.;) Thanx Slip.
No problem.

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
About Nomah?I remember it vaguely, what'd he say? He was ALL gung ho about A-Rod. They asked him who he'd rather have, he said A-Rod. And he was SUPER giddy about it too. I know he apologized to Nomah, but I still have to think there's a little bad blood there. Especially now that Yanks got him.

And while I do loathe the Yankees, it's hard to be for the Red Sox too. Every baseball fan in the country has been watching both of those teams in their arms race...and are probably sickened by it. A lot of people hate the Red Sox and Yankees.

I would like to see an AL West team win the pennant this year. Or the Blue Jays! :D

Illchill

02-17-2004, 06:35 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!Oh, you are serious......

Yea, I'd rather have A-Rod too, he is better, but Nomah is still awesome, and now is best shortstop in League.

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!Oh, you are serious......

Yea, I'd rather have A-Rod too, he is better, but Nomah is still awesome, and now is best shortstop in League. Hell yeah I'm serious. I was always cool with the Red Sox cuz I felt the Yankee's were hosing them. But it's like they awoke a sleeping giant and filled it with a terrible resolve when they tried to get A-Rod this winter.

Why did the Red Sox think they could financially compete with the Yankees? I applaud their pitching moves...but when they started to try and aquire A-Rod, when they had a perfectly good Shortstop...that was kinda lame. You knew the Yankees weren't going to let that go.

The D-Backs, Angels, and Marlins have all showed how you beat the Yankees. Pitching, pitching, and more pitching. Not by adding the greatest slugger to the greatest offense in baseball.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 06:40 PM

Don't worry, we'll dethrone the mighty Yanks atop the AL east.

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Don't worry, we'll dethrone the mighty Yanks atop the AL east. Good luck. But they have a better offense...and dare I say...their starting pitching is better (I've seen Brown close up for 5 years...he's going to win A LOT of games if he's healthy). And the Yankees have a better bullpen.

Boston has 2 great pitchers and a good one in a bad pitchers ballpark.

New York has 3 great pitchers in a so-so pitchers ballpark.

I wanna see the Yankees beat as bad as anyone...it just ain't gonna be by the Sox this year.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 06:49 PM

Yes it will, even if you have to take mind-altering drugs to believe it!

Illchill

02-17-2004, 06:50 PM

And they are NOT getting Maddux.

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Yes it will, even if you have to take mind-altering drugs to believe it! Hahahaha. Fair enough. :D

I'll take a Red Sox-Dodgers World Series. :up:

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
And they are NOT getting Maddux. Who?

Illchill

02-17-2004, 06:53 PM

Yankees, it is rumored recently, but it aint happening.

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Yankees, it is rumored recently, but it aint happening. Oh! yeah, I agree. maddux doesn't like Steinbrenner. The Yanks went for him hard after 1992, but came up short.

I hear it's between the Dodgers and Cubs for Maddux. Maddux was waiting to see if the Dodgers trade Perez. But the Dodgers changed GM's, so that's all moot.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 07:03 PM

Cubs will get him.Under his tutelage, Wood and Prior would go to next level, if there is such a thing for them.

Tukiluka

02-17-2004, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Cubs will get him.Under his tutelage, Wood and Prior would go to next level, if there is such a thing for them. Prior is the best young pitcher I've ever seen. And I agree with where you think Madduz is going.

Illchill

02-17-2004, 07:22 PM

Ok, I have some huors to go til my board night brings me upstairs and I start playing baseball in anticipation for ASB or MVP upcoming in March, so this thread IS going to be busy!

Slipknot

02-18-2004, 01:10 AM

Its official, the Chicago Cubs have signed Greg Maddux.

reggiebar

02-18-2004, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Hey reggiebar, how bout them NY Rangers eh? There really skating it up out there theses days with the highest payed players in the NHL, 11th place in the East man... they gotta keep that skating up.

Man it has been tough to be a Rangers fan over the last 6 seasons or so....they stink! I can't defnd them in the least.

Soundwave

02-18-2004, 09:58 AM

They need to trade away some of their high-priced talent and start over. They are going nowhere with this bunch. I hope they don't trade Leetch though, he should be a Ranger for life. They can start by getting a good young goaltender to start with(Manny Fernandez anyone?)

reggiebar

02-18-2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Soundwave
They need to trade away some of their high-priced talent and start over. They are going nowhere with this bunch. I hope they don't trade Leetch though, he should be a Ranger for life. They can start by getting a good young goaltender to start with(Manny Fernandez anyone?)

The Rangers should make Isiah Thomas GM ;)

Illchill

02-18-2004, 12:28 PM

Now John Henry wants a salary cap in baseball.I totally agree, and have for quite awhile, but he has no right saying this just becasue it is effecting him all of a sudden.If he got A-Rod it'd be different.However, I do see his point that they got the biggest, most expensive player in the agme without unloading any big superstar, and we woulda had to give up Manny.I know we have a big wallet as well, but we aren't THAT far ahead of our closest contender (Mets?).

reggiebar

02-18-2004, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Now John Henry wants a salary cap in baseball.I totally agree, and have for quite awhile, but he has no right saying this just becasue it is effecting him all of a sudden.If he got A-Rod it'd be different.However, I do see his point that they got the biggest, most expensive player in the agme without unloading any big superstar, and we woulda had to give up Manny.I know we have a big wallet as well, but we aren't THAT far ahead of our closest contender (Mets?).

Alfonso Soriano is not a superstar?

Player HR RBI Avg. OBP OPS SB
Alfonso Soriano 38 91 .290 .338 .863 35
Alex Rodriguez 47 118 .298 .396 .995 17

Come on, Alfonso Soriano is only 26 and is putting up the numbers that he has been for his 3 full seasons in the bigs....Soriano is just as big a superstar at 2B than Manny is in the outfield - you can't deny that - period.

Illchill

02-18-2004, 01:10 PM

Money-wise he definately isn't.Obviously his skills are maybe better than Manny's in alot of areas.

reggiebar

02-18-2004, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Money-wise he definately isn't.Obviously his skills are maybe better than Manny's in alot of areas.

You said superstar and is there a bigger superstar at second base in the majors than Alfonso Soriano? Don't blame the Yankees because Manny is baseball's Allen Houston.

Illchill

02-18-2004, 01:25 PM

Hey, Manny finishes in the top 3 for batting title, hits 40 homers, and knocks in 115 and he can act as he wishes.

reggiebar

02-18-2004, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Hey, Manny finishes in the top 3 for batting title, hits 40 homers, and knocks in 115 and he can act as he wishes.

It has nothing to do with his attitude...Manny's contract is the baseball equilvant of Allen Houston's NBA contract

Illchill

02-18-2004, 01:46 PM

Why is it alot?I follow baskeball, but not too much, espcially since Celtics are "teh" suck.;)

reggiebar

02-18-2004, 01:50 PM

Both of them were given contracts that paid them both too much for too long of a period of the contract.

Illchill

02-18-2004, 02:08 PM

Baker is fianlly waived.Feel bad for the guy.

reggiebar

02-18-2004, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Baker is fianlly waived.Feel bad for the guy.

I think he will find a new team

Illchill

02-18-2004, 03:10 PM

FYI everyone, the SHHMLB will be taking place this at for the draft.It is the SHH fanatsy MLB league, please go to the SHHMLB thread for more info.

Illchill

02-18-2004, 03:59 PM

"Unlike the Yankees, he chose not to go the extra distance for his fans in Boston," Steinbrenner said of Henry. "It is understandable, but wrong that he would try to deflect the accountability for his mistakes on to others and to a system for which he voted in favor. It is time to get on with life and forget the sour grapes."-George Steinbrenner

Steinbrenner is a crackhead.We din't go the extra distance cuz our payroll isn't 600 billion.

Emilio's Mom

02-18-2004, 04:01 PM

The Yankees are the best team in football. Can we talk about that?

Slipknot

02-18-2004, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar
You said superstar and is there a bigger superstar at second base in the majors than Alfonso Soriano?
Bret Boone... much better.

Illchill

02-18-2004, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Bret Boone... much better.

Maybe, btu I'd build a team around Soriano first.He IS 26 and his speed/power combo is lethal.

Slipknot

02-18-2004, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Maybe, btu I'd build a team around Soriano first.He IS 26 and his speed/power combo is lethal.
reggiebar said You said "is there a bigger superstar at second base in the majors than Alfonso Soriano?" and there is... his name is Bret Boone. He may be old but hes still better than Alfonso and a better defensive Second baseman.

Illchill

02-18-2004, 11:22 PM

Puljos signed to whopping 7 year 100 million contract.Option for 8th year would make it 111 million.Not bad.....

reggiebar

02-19-2004, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Slipknot
reggiebar said You said "is there a bigger superstar at second base in the majors than Alfonso Soriano?" and there is... his name is Bret Boone. He may be old but hes still better than Alfonso and a better defensive Second baseman.

I don't agree....Alfonso Soriano is more of a superstar than Brett Boone...he may not be a better all around player, but he is a bigger star than Boone (certainly better at the plate)...

BTW, I hate to school you every day, but here goes

FINAL 2003 ALL-STAR VOTING

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Second base
1. Alfonso Soriano, New York, 1,681,510
2. Bret Boone, Seattle, 1,315,320

The numbers don't lie....try again....

Illchill

02-19-2004, 10:16 AM

Oh, please, the All-Star game is idiotic in its voting.Letting fans vote is tupid cuz most of them know nothing of baseball.They should have the AP vote them in.

reggiebar

02-19-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by Illchill
Oh, please, the All-Star game is idiotic in its voting.Letting fans vote is tupid cuz most of them know nothing of baseball.They should have the AP vote them in.

Well, then WTF makes a superstar? Soriano has better stats than Boone and he was the leading vote-getter at 2B last year....I would say that Soriano is the "superstar" at 2B in MLB and there is no arguement that can oppose that view - there simply isn't.

Are you honestly going to attempt to tell me that baseball writers wouldn't have voted for Soriano to start the All-Star game last year?

When was the last time Brett Boone was compared to Hank Aaron like Soriano draws comparisons all the time.

Look, you Boston people, if you are going to talk sports, really need to distance your hared to the Yankees when you have these discussions, because trying to say that Soriano is not a superstar second-baseman is just plain foolish.

Breet Boone is a 34 year old player and Soriano is 28 with only 3 full seasons in the bigs. Yes, Breet Boone is a GREAT player and perhaps and arguement can be made that is a better player than Soriano, but to deny that Soriano is not a superstar is wrong. Soriano is THE superstar at 2B and widely considered anyone's first choice if they could pick from any 2B in the league.

BTW, saying that letting fans vote for the All-Star game is idiotic is wrong because, as I have stated on countless occasions, All-Star games are for the fans and MLB certainly needs more fan support for its game as baseball has lost too mnay fans since th 80s as it stands currently.

Look, I get it, you Boston fans hate the Yankees and us Yankee fans, but, either put it aside when you discuss sports or don't discuss sports. Read some of the football stuff and you will notice that even though I loath the Patriots, I give them and their coach the respect that they earned. Bottom line, Soriano has earned superstar status whether you like it that he did as a Yankee or not...

Illchill

02-19-2004, 12:29 PM

I never disagreed.Soriano is the best 2nd baseman in the game right now, maybe ever when his career is over.But I am simply saying that the All-Star game is a horibble way of saying how good a player is.A is unbiased opinions unlike fans votes, but I actually voted for Soraino if I recall.

reggiebar

02-19-2004, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
I never disagreed.Soriano is the best 2nd baseman in the game right now, maybe ever when his career is over.But I am simply saying that the All-Star game is a horibble way of saying how good a player is.A is unbiased opinions unlike fans votes, but I actually voted for Soraino if I recall.

Again Bro, "superstar"....you are not a baseball "superstar" until you have started an All-Star game.

Keep in mind that my comment was "You said superstar and is there a bigger superstar at second base in the majors than Alfonso Soriano?"

There is not a bigger superstar at 2B in the majors than Soriano.

This was not a question of is Brett Boone a better all-around player at 2B than Soriano.

Re-read these posts...let me help...

You wrote "However, I do see his point that they got the biggest, most expensive player in the agme without unloading any big superstar, and we woulda had to give up Manny."

I responded with "Alfonso Soriano is not a superstar?

Player HR RBI Avg. OBP OPS SB
Alfonso Soriano 38 91 .290 .338 .863 35
Alex Rodriguez 47 118 .298 .396 .995 17

Come on, Alfonso Soriano is only 26 and is putting up the numbers that he has been for his 3 full seasons in the bigs....Soriano is just as big a superstar at 2B than Manny is in the outfield - you can't deny that - period."

So, I disprove your comment that the Yankees didn't have to give up a superstar for A-Rod by citing that Soriano is a superstar and then insetad of you saying "My bad, Soriano is a superstar - my comment was off-base" you attempt to further back up your pint (that I just disproved BTW) with "Money-wise he definately isn't.Obviously his skills are maybe better than Manny's in alot of areas." - which is nonsense.

If you had just admitted that your point that the Yankees didn't have to give up a superstar (which they did in Soriano) was disproved by me we still wouldn't be having this conversation.

Admit it, your comment of "However, I do see his point that they got the biggest, most expensive player in the agme without unloading any big superstar, and we woulda had to give up Manny." was WAY OFF BASE because there is NO DENYING that Alfonso Soriano is a "superstar" - end of discussion.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar
Again Bro, "superstar"....you are not a baseball "superstar" until you have started an All-Star game.

Keep in mind that my comment was "You said superstar and is there a bigger superstar at second base in the majors than Alfonso Soriano?"

There is not a bigger superstar at 2B in the majors than Soriano.

This was not a question of is Brett Boone a better all-around player at 2B than Soriano.

Re-read these posts...let me help...

You wrote "However, I do see his point that they got the biggest, most expensive player in the agme without unloading any big superstar, and we woulda had to give up Manny."

I responded with "Alfonso Soriano is not a superstar?

Player HR RBI Avg. OBP OPS SB
Alfonso Soriano 38 91 .290 .338 .863 35
Alex Rodriguez 47 118 .298 .396 .995 17

Come on, Alfonso Soriano is only 26 and is putting up the numbers that he has been for his 3 full seasons in the bigs....Soriano is just as big a superstar at 2B than Manny is in the outfield - you can't deny that - period."

So, I disprove your comment that the Yankees didn't have to give up a superstar for A-Rod by citing that Soriano is a superstar and then insetad of you saying "My bad, Soriano is a superstar - my comment was off-base" you attempt to further back up your pint (that I just disproved BTW) with "Money-wise he definately isn't.Obviously his skills are maybe better than Manny's in alot of areas." - which is nonsense.

If you had just admitted that your point that the Yankees didn't have to give up a superstar (which they did in Soriano) was disproved by me we still wouldn't be having this conversation.

Admit it, your comment of "However, I do see his point that they got the biggest, most expensive player in the agme without unloading any big superstar, and we woulda had to give up Manny." was WAY OFF BASE because there is NO DENYING that Alfonso Soriano is a "superstar" - end of discussion.

What!?Soriano is gay lemme say that.He is Yankee.Yankee=Gay!I am not the one who said Boone was better, that was Slipknot.I did mean money-wise FYI.His contract si like 5.6 for one year or something.I told you I agree Soriano is best second-baseman in game.

reggiebar

02-19-2004, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
What!?Soriano's gay lemme say that.He is Yankee.Yankee=Gay!I am not the one who said boone was better, that was Slipknot.I did mean money-wise FYI.His contract si like 5.6 for one year or something.I told you I agree Soriano is best second-baseman in game.

Well, if you agree that Soriano is the best second-baseman in the majors than you have to agree that the Yankees gave up a superstar for A-Rod, right?

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 12:56 PM

I think that there's a good arguement given their respectuve careers, that Jeff Kent, not Soriano, is the best second baseman in the league.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 12:58 PM

Through their careers yea.Soriano has just played 2 years.At this point I'd take Soriano over any other.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar
Well, if you agree that Soriano is the best second-baseman in the majors than you have to agree that the Yankees gave up a superstar for A-Rod, right?

Yes.

reggiebar

02-19-2004, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
I think that there's a good arguement given their respectuve careers, that Jeff Kent, not Soriano, is the best second baseman in the league.

Again, this was never the question until Slipknot tried to make it so.....

Illchill wrote, ""However, I do see his point that they got the biggest, most expensive player in the agme without unloading any big superstar, and we woulda had to give up Manny."

I responded ""Alfonso Soriano is not a superstar?

Player HR RBI Avg. OBP OPS SB
Alfonso Soriano 38 91 .290 .338 .863 35
Alex Rodriguez 47 118 .298 .396 .995 17

Come on, Alfonso Soriano is only 26 and is putting up the numbers that he has been for his 3 full seasons in the bigs....Soriano is just as big a superstar at 2B than Manny is in the outfield - you can't deny that - period."

END OF DISCUSSION - The New York Yankees DID give up a superstar, Alfonso Soriano, for A-Rod - period.

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 01:01 PM

I used to think that Kent was a fluke when he was with Bonds, but he had a pretty good year last year. I'll just be interested to see how Soriano does when he's not surrounded by All-Stars. I think he'll still be really good. But in the heat of Texas and without that line-up, I'd be kinda suprised to see him hit 40 home runs. I think hhis average might take a hit too. He's just such a free swinger.

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by reggiebar
Again, this was never the question until Slipknot tried to make it so.....

Illchill wrote, ""However, I do see his point that they got the biggest, most expensive player in the agme without unloading any big superstar, and we woulda had to give up Manny."

I responded ""Alfonso Soriano is not a superstar?

Player HR RBI Avg. OBP OPS SB
Alfonso Soriano 38 91 .290 .338 .863 35
Alex Rodriguez 47 118 .298 .396 .995 17

Come on, Alfonso Soriano is only 26 and is putting up the numbers that he has been for his 3 full seasons in the bigs....Soriano is just as big a superstar at 2B than Manny is in the outfield - you can't deny that - period."

END OF DISCUSSION - The New York Yankees DID give up a superstar, Alfonso Soriano, for A-Rod - period. I'm not saying Soriano is bad, but he's not a superstar. Look how low his on base percentage is. That's only going to get worse in Texas.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 01:04 PM

Yea, he will be facing Oakland's and Seattle's staff regularly, and Palmiero and A-Rod aren't their.It will be intersting to see where he is hit.

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Yea, he will be facing Oakland's and Seattle's staff regularly, and Palmiero and A-Rod aren't their.It will be intersting to see where he is hit. The Angels are going to have a damn good staff this year too. It's gonna be tough.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 01:11 PM

I think they will finsih second in AL West to Mariners.Your right, it is a nice rotation.

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
I think they will finsih second in AL West to Mariners.Your right, it is a nice rotation. You think the A's are going to come in 3rd? I have them coming in first, with Seattle 3rd. It's going to be a great race in that division this year. I'm going to have to bite the bullet and go to a bunch of Angel games this year. :D

The Dodgers suck too bad to drive that far. :(

Illchill

02-19-2004, 01:20 PM

Some people think the Dodgers will win the division.I don't however, another 3rd place finish.They did nothing to their offense, and gave out pitching.What kind of offseason is that?Green, Lo Duca, and Beltre actually hitting like they are capable of and the fantastic rotation and pen you have may get a WC spot.Longpshot though.

spiderrasmon

02-19-2004, 01:22 PM

Watch out for those Kansas City Royals...!

*runs away*

Illchill

02-19-2004, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by spiderrasmon
Watch out for those Kansas City Royals...!

*runs away* :D Haha.

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Some people think the Dodgers will win the division.I don't however, another 3rd place finish.They did nothing to their offense, and gave out pitching.What kind of offseason is that?Green, Lo Duca, and Beltre actually hitting like they are capable of and the fantastic rotation and pen you have may get a WC spot.Longpshot though. I still think the Dodgers will add a bat before the season starts. And their offense was so bad last year...Encarnacion alone is an upgrade (god thats bad). What really worries me is the pitching staff. They don't have an ace in the rotation. They need a atopper. Like the Phillies, the Dodgers have a pitching staff made of 2's, 3's, and 4's.

Nomo
Perez
Ishii
Alvarez
Jackson/Weaver/Dreifort

It's a good staff, just not a great one like last year. I think 2nd or 3rd too. I also think the Padres will possibly suprise some people this year if they can keep Klesko and Nevin healthy.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 01:26 PM

Come to think of it, they could iwn it this year (Central I mean).Decent offseason.Rotation aint bad.Defense is great.Good manager.Bullpen is what worrys me.

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 01:27 PM

Yeah. I think KC is good enough to win that division. They need some pitching though.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
I still think the Dodgers will add a bat before the season starts. And their offense was so bad last year...Encarnacion alone is an upgrade (god thats bad). What really worries me is the pitching staff. They don't have an ace in the rotation. They need a atopper. Like the Phillies, the Dodgers have a pitching staff made of 2's, 3's, and 4's.

Nomo
Perez
Ishii
Alvarez
Jackson/Weaver/Dreifort

It's a good staff, just not a great one like last year. I think 2nd or 3rd too. I also think the Padres will possibly suprise some people this year if they can keep Klesko and Nevin healthy.

I think it is a good staff.Without the spotlight, Weaver may pitch like he did in Detroit.Nomo has ace stuff.Ishii is good when not getting drilled with balls.

The Green Goblin

02-19-2004, 01:28 PM

And to present tonight’s Top Ten list, live from Legends Field in Tampa, Florida, Principal owner of the New York Yankees George Steinbrenner.

#10. With the player discount, a hot dog at Yankee Stadium now is only $50.
#9. Your Bobble-Head doll is a legal from of identification in New York State.
#8. With me, there’s very little pressure to win.
#7. Hideki Matsui can teach you how to sing in Japanese
#6. After every game, Yogi Berra gives you a complimentary foot massage.
#5. Our Spring Training facility is near a Hooters :up:
#4. Take it from the guy signing the checks – some of the players do OK for themselves.
#3. Pinstripes make your butt look slimmer
#2. You get to meet all of Derek Jeter’s girlfriends
#1. You think this A-Rod deal is good? Well, we’re about to sign Ty Cobb.

:D

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Ishii is good when not getting drilled with balls. :D That was such a disgusting crunch that that ball made when it smacked his face.

And yeah, I sure hope Weaver can bounce back.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 01:29 PM

Saw that last night.

reggiebar

02-19-2004, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
Yeah. I think KC is good enough to win that division. They need some pitching though.

I agree....The Twins, Chi-Sox and K.C. all have a chance to win the Central....

Tukiluka

02-19-2004, 01:32 PM

Chicago needs to trade Magglio to the Dodgers for real cheap! :D :up:

Illchill

02-19-2004, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka
Chicago needs to trade Magglio to the Dodgers for real cheap! :D :up:

They should.White Sox have horrible fans, they don't deserve Ordonez.

Slipknot

02-19-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Tukiluka

Nomo
Perez
Ishii
Alvarez
Jackson/Weaver/Dreifort
Nomo
Perez
Dreifort
Ishii
Weaver

That would be my rotation... Dreifort was awesome last year up to the point of when he got hurt... and Weaver has a chance to return to his normal self since he left NY and all the pressure.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 07:04 PM

Rasheed Wallace in Detroit along with Ben Wallace now.A couple fo good Wallaces.

Victor Von Doom

02-19-2004, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Rasheed Wallace in Detroit along with Ben Wallace now.A couple fo good Wallaces. Yeah man watch out for detroit the rest o the season.

PoAnTimRSexi

02-19-2004, 08:45 PM

Hmm, baseball talk, eh? I'll have to try to get on these forums more often, I guess...

Anyway, I drew up my division predictions about 2 weeks ago. Just so happens I saved them in word pad, so I might as well post them:

A.L. East
New York Yankees- Vasquez and Brown will win or lose this division.
Boston Red Sox*- Don't expect the offense to be as dominant as last year. But the bolstered pitching staff will be good enough to get a wild card.
Toronto Blue Jays- Subtle improvements. If the Jays were in the A.L. Central they'd be a playoff team.
Baltimore Orioles- Big payroll moves will prove to be alright. Pitching staff still isn't good enough(Sidney Ponson is not a staff ace).
Tampa Bay Devil Rays- Fastest, and possibly the best outfield in the A.L. On the rise, ever so slowly.

A.L. Central
Kansas City Royals- Young arms need more durability. If they get more innings out of their starters, they'll win this weak division.
Chicago White Sox- White Sox start the decline.
Minnesota Twins- Losses of Hawkins and Guardado will prove costly.
Detroit Tigers- Improving, but not near enough.
Cleveland Indians- One of the worst teams in baseball. Grady Sizemore will be the lone bright spot for them... if he even gets out of AAA.

A.L. West
Anaheim Angels- Added a lot, while their competition stepped backwards.
Seattle Mariners- Time to choke again late in the season.
Oakland A's- One of the top rotations in baseball, but they have questions. How will Harden react to MLB hitting? How will Rhodes react to the closer slot?
Texas Rangers- Another cellar dwelling year. Look forward to next year, I guess.

N.L. East
Philadelphia Phillies- Balanced rotation, balanced line up. The bullpen cost them a playoff spot last year; won't happen again.
Atlanta Braves- J.D. Drew is not the answer to their losses. And he never will be.
Florida Marlins- The luck runs out.
New York Mets- Cameron and Matsui are nice editions, but not enough.
Monteal Expos- Waiting for re-location.

N.L. Central
Chicago Cubs- Best rotation in baseball. Full season with Aramis Ramirez and Corey Patterson, as well as Derrek Lee will boost the offense.
Houston Astros*- Overrated rotation moves. Pettitte will be rocked in the band box that is Minute Maid. But Oswalt, Miller and Redding can anchor the staff enough for a wild card.
St. Louis Cardinals- While the Cubs and Astros improved, the Cards layed dead in the water.
Cincinatti Reds- One of the most powerful outfields in baseball, but not much else.
Milwaukee Brewers- Nice job moving Sexson... got a lot of capable players. Still not enough.
Pittsburgh Pirates- Raul Mondesi and Randall Simon won't help one of the worst teams in the N.L.

N.L West
San Diego Padres- This year's Marlins/Angels/D'Backs. Enough talented youth to take this under-achieving division.
San Francisco Giants- Nowhere to go but down. How long can an aging Bonds carry this mediocre staff?
Colorado Rockies- No problem scoring runs, but no pitching.
Los Angeles Dodgers- The opposite of Colorado.
Arizona Diamondbacks- Sexson will provide an offensive boost, but there isnt much here worthy of mention.

A.L. MVP- Vladimir Guerrero. Runner-up, Manny Ramirez.
N.L. MVP- Lance Berkman. Runner-up, Jim Thome.

A.L. Cy Young- Pedro Martinez. Runner-up, Bartolo Colon.
N.L. Cy Young- Mark Prior. Runner-up, Roy Oswalt.

Yep... not firmly decided on my WS pick, but at the moment I'd say Philly/NY.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Hmm, baseball talk, eh? I'll have to try to get on these forums more often, I guess...

Anyway, I drew up my division predictions about 2 weeks ago. Just so happens I saved them in word pad, so I might as well post them:

A.L. East
New York Yankees- Vasquez and Brown will win or lose this division.
Boston Red Sox*- Don't expect the offense to be as dominant as last year. But the bolstered pitching staff will be good enough to get a wild card.
Toronto Blue Jays- Subtle improvements. If the Jays were in the A.L. Central they'd be a playoff team.
Baltimore Orioles- Big payroll moves will prove to be alright. Pitching staff still isn't good enough(Sidney Ponson is not a staff ace).
Tampa Bay Devil Rays- Fastest, and possibly the best outfield in the A.L. On the rise, ever so slowly.

A.L. Central
Kansas City Royals- Young arms need more durability. If they get more innings out of their starters, they'll win this weak division.
Chicago White Sox- White Sox start the decline.
Minnesota Twins- Losses of Hawkins and Guardado will prove costly.
Detroit Tigers- Improving, but not near enough.
Cleveland Indians- One of the worst teams in baseball. Grady Sizemore will be the lone bright spot for them... if he even gets out of AAA.

A.L. West
Anaheim Angels- Added a lot, while their competition stepped backwards.
Seattle Mariners- Time to choke again late in the season.
Oakland A's- One of the top rotations in baseball, but they have questions. How will Harden react to MLB hitting? How will Rhodes react to the closer slot?
Texas Rangers- Another cellar dwelling year. Look forward to next year, I guess.

N.L. East
Philadelphia Phillies- Balanced rotation, balanced line up. The bullpen cost them a playoff spot last year; won't happen again.
Atlanta Braves- J.D. Drew is not the answer to their losses. And he never will be.
Florida Marlins- The luck runs out.
New York Mets- Cameron and Matsui are nice editions, but not enough.
Monteal Expos- Waiting for re-location.

N.L. Central
Chicago Cubs- Best rotation in baseball. Full season with Aramis Ramirez and Corey Patterson, as well as Derrek Lee will boost the offense.
Houston Astros*- Overrated rotation moves. Pettitte will be rocked in the band box that is Minute Maid. But Oswalt, Miller and Redding can anchor the staff enough for a wild card.
St. Louis Cardinals- While the Cubs and Astros improved, the Cards layed dead in the water.
Cincinatti Reds- One of the most powerful outfields in baseball, but not much else.
Milwaukee Brewers- Nice job moving Sexson... got a lot of capable players. Still not enough.
Pittsburgh Pirates- Raul Mondesi and Randall Simon won't help one of the worst teams in the N.L.

N.L West
San Diego Padres- This year's Marlins/Angels/D'Backs. Enough talented youth to take this under-achieving division.
San Francisco Giants- Nowhere to go but down. How long can an aging Bonds carry this mediocre staff?
Colorado Rockies- No problem scoring runs, but no pitching.
Los Angeles Dodgers- The opposite of Colorado.
Arizona Diamondbacks- Sexson will provide an offensive boost, but there isnt much here worthy of mention.

A.L. MVP- Vladimir Guerrero. Runner-up, Manny Ramirez.
N.L. MVP- Lance Berkman. Runner-up, Jim Thome.

A.L. Cy Young- Pedro Martinez. Runner-up, Bartolo Colon.
N.L. Cy Young- Mark Prior. Runner-up, Roy Oswalt.

Yep... not firmly decided on my WS pick, but at the moment I'd say Philly/NY.

AL EAST- 5. D-Rays- Would be maybe number 3 if not in AL East, but even though I like Cruz Jr. and their choices with the infield upgrades, they can't beat the other teams.
4-Jays-Batista, Hentgen, and Lily won't lift up the load for Halladay, and a bad bullpen won't help out this team either.Teams don't win with just offense.
3-Orioles-Tejada, Lopez, and Vladdy ALONE guarantee them a 3rd place finish, but the staff is ahead of only Tampa Bay's in the East, and that isn't saying much.
2-Yankees-What you want me to say?Trying really hard to find weak spots, Contreras loked good in limited time, btu full seaosn we shall see.Lieber be a Weaver after the injuries.Speaking of injuries, while this team IS THE MOST TALENTED IN MLB (Yea I said it), they are not the deepest, not even in the AL East.Two well-placed injuries and this team is struggling.
1-Red Sox-Well duh, what'd you expect.Our weakest link is defense, and it isn't ALL that abd.Despite what people say, manny isn't a horrible LF, and plays the wall as well as anyone since Yaz.Best defensive 2B in MLB in Reese, great CF in Damon, an A+ for effort in RF for Nixon, and the best range in game at SS in Nomah.The hitting is still phenonmenal, even if we fall short of last year.And of course the starting pitching is tops in MLB, maybe not the best, but no one better than them.Then, the 'pen is great as well.Rolaids Relief Man, Mike Timlin, Alan Embree, Williamson, and upcming star Bronson Arroyo.one of the best GM in the game.Can't wait.

Illchill

02-19-2004, 09:36 PM

Al Central-

5-Tigers-32 year old catcher for 4 years and 40 mil?What kinda move is that for a team years outta contention?No explanation needed.
4-ChiSox-I just really don't like them.Or their fanbase.Magglio WILL be gone by deadline.THey had possibly worst offseason this year.Loazia has no where to go but down.Beurhle is more inconsistent than Freddy Garcia.Sry guys, but no.
3-Indians-I really like where they are going.And ahve blossoming young players with pretty good farm system.A few suprising sleepers in the pitching ranks for them, and they can achieve 3rd place.
2-KCRoyals-Not enough starting pitching.Bullpen isnt too good either.Good offense and managment, but not this time around either, great organization though.
1-Twins-One more lucky year and that is it.Even with Santana and Guardado bolting, they have best lineup in AL Central IMO, perfect defense and management, and I like the way they tried to fix the pen.

More to come later/tomorow.

Slipknot

02-20-2004, 03:10 AM

Damn... Mark Brunell agreed to a 7 year, 43 million dollar contract with the Washington Redskins... but now he has to be traded, but its a done deal.

Slipknot

02-20-2004, 03:15 AM

And in NBA news Gary Payton tried to bite Speedy Claxton in the ear... Payton denies it but ESPN slowed down the tape and you see Payton lunge at Claxton and bite down just missing his ear. Payton is trying to be like Mike.

Soundwave

02-20-2004, 09:03 AM

AL EAST

1. Bosox: I think they win because their top 3 starters(Pedro, Shill, and D-Lowe) are better than the Yanks top 3.
2. NYY: Still a lot of question marks for the most talented roster in the league.
3. Toronto: Very good offensive team. Subpar pitching staff. Mediocrity.
4. Baltimore: Offseason additions will help but in the best division in baseball, they will be fighting to finish 3rd.
5. D-Rays: Lou Piniella quaranteed that they wouldn't finish last, but I beg to differ. Should be improved though.

AL CENTRAL

1. Royals: Last year was no fluke. If their young arms hold up, they should win a very weak division.
2. White Sox: If this team plays with any consistency they could win this division.
3. Twins: Bullpen carried this team last year. Then they let their two best bullpen pitchers get away. They could struggle.
4. Tigers: Should be improved but nowhere close to a division title.
5. Indians: They have some good young players but it's gonna be another long year.

AL WEST

1. Anaheim: Other than Boston and Philly, no team had a better offseason than the Angels. Remember, this team is one year removed from a World Series title.
2. Seattle: Once again, they will win a lot of games but can they avoid another late-season swoon?
3. Oakland: Can they score more than 2 runs per game? With their pitching staff that may be all that they need.
4. Texas: They have a great young nucleus(Blalock, Texiera, Young, Soriano) but with so many young players and a bad pitching staff its possible that they finish with the worst record in the AL.

NL EAST

1. Philly: The acquisition of Billy Wagner should be the difference this year.
2. Marlins: They lost some key parts to their team but their strong pitching will keep them in the race.
3. Braves: It looks like this will be the year that their dominance in this division will end.
4. Mets: Not enough talent to compete in this division.
5. Expos: No Vladimir and no Vasquez means no chance.

NL CENTRAL

1. Cubbies: Best starting rotation in baseball. Nuff said.
2. Astros: Pettite and Clemens will help but can Octavio Dotel make the transition to full-time closer?
3. Cards: THeir pitching doesn't stack up to the Cubs or 'Astros
4. Reds: If their outfielders stay healthy they could do better than expected.
5. Brewers: One reason to watch this team: Scott Podsednik. This guy is exciting to watch.
6. Pirates: Well, at least the stadium's nice.

NL WEST

1. Giants: One more playoff run for Bonds? A lot depends on the health of Robb Nen.
2. Padres: Nevin, Klesko, Giles, Loretta. We know they'll hit but is their pitching good enough?
3. Dodgers: Didn't get the big bat that they needed to help the offense. A lot of 2-1 losses again.
4. Rockies: No matter how much the roster changes it's the same story every year. Great home team, terrible road team.
5. D-Backs: Not much this year.

AL MVP: A-Rod
NL MVP: Albert Pujols
AL Cy Young: Pedro
NL Cy Young: Mark Prior

World Series: Oh, what the hell, Red Sox over Cubs!

Illchill

02-20-2004, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Soundwave

World Series: Oh, what the hell, Red Sox over Cubs!
:D

Illchill

02-21-2004, 03:28 PM

Mokc Draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/b_duane_cross/02/18/mock.draft.one/index.html)

From CNNSI.com.I don't know if Chris Perry will eb around come number 32, Pats may have to take him on their earlier pick.Eli Manning is a lock, as is Fitzgerald, for numebrs 1 and 2.

Spider Luka

02-21-2004, 03:31 PM

I love Kenechi Udeze, I just wish he was older.

Slipknot

02-21-2004, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Mokc Draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/b_duane_cross/02/18/mock.draft.one/index.html)

From CNNSI.com.I don't know if Chris Perry will eb around come number 32, Pats may have to take him on their earlier pick.Eli Manning is a lock, as is Fitzgerald, for numebrs 1 and 2.
Id like to see Chris Perry in a Patriots uniform.

Illchill

02-21-2004, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
Id like to see Chris Perry in a Patriots uniform.

:D

PoAnTimRSexi

02-21-2004, 04:09 PM

I wouldn't call Manning a lock. If the Chargers come to their senses, they'll either trade down or stay put, and select OT Robert Gallery. I don't think they'll do that, though, because they missed out on one Manning and probably won't miss the chance on another. But an anchor on the O-Line would help L.T. become what he already almost is(best all-around back in the league), as well as giving Brees a little time to pass.

My "long-shot hope" for the draft is Reggie Williams falling to the Eagles. Someone would have to stretch and take Clayton over Reggie for that to happen, so I'm not counting on it. Maybe the entrance of Mike Williams into the draft will stir things up enough for it to happen, though.

Illchill

02-21-2004, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
I wouldn't call Manning a lock. If the Chargers come to their senses, they'll either trade down or stay put, and select OT Robert Gallery. I don't think they'll do that, though, because they missed out on one Manning and probably won't miss the chance on another. But an anchor on the O-Line would help L.T. become what he already almost is(best all-around back in the league), as well as giving Brees a little time to pass.

My "long-shot hope" for the draft is Reggie Williams falling to the Eagles. Someone would have to stretch and take Clayton over Reggie for that to happen, so I'm not counting on it. Maybe the entrance of Mike Williams into the draft will stir things up enough for it to happen, though.

LT is the best PLAYER in NFL.OL might be, no stirke that, IS the most under-appreciated position is sports, but to build a franchise (which I believe every team should be doing with a number 1 pick) with an OL, i think may be too much of a risk,h e can only block one man.

Slipknot

02-21-2004, 05:08 PM

Here you go Illchill if you want it...

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Illchill

02-21-2004, 05:17 PM

Thanx again, when I get rich, I will give you....well thanks at anways.;)

PoAnTimRSexi

02-21-2004, 09:37 PM

Looks like Cheshire Cat may get his wish of someone to replace Jay Fiedler. Perhaps not who he expected...

The Dolphins are extremely close to trading a 3rd round pick to my Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd string QB A.J. Feeley. Explain this logic to me: A.J. Feeley, a 4-1 career starter, garners a third round pick. But Patrick Ramsey, 5-11, garners a first rounder? Meh.

Either way, I don't mind. A.J. was never going to get steady playing time, so I'll gladly take the 3rd rounder. I'm still surprised with the Dolphins creating this log jam under center. The prospect of drafting Rivers or Losman... Fiedler... Griese... now Feeley. I have no idea who they're intending to start, but I hope it's A.J. I like him, and I'd enjoy seeing him get a real chance.

Slipknot

02-21-2004, 09:40 PM

I heard the Dolphins were trying to get Henson.

Illchill

02-22-2004, 01:08 AM

FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) -- Derek Lowe thinks the core of the Red Sox will be broken up after this season. He just doesn't plan to dwell on whether he'll be back.

Lowe is one of six key Boston players who can become free agents after the 2004 season. General manager Theo Epstein has said it's not financially feasible to keep all of them.

"This is going to be this team's last run," said Lowe, who is 38-15 since he became a full-time starter in 2002. "Who knows who's coming back?"

The other potential key free agents are pitchers Pedro Martinez and Scott Williamson, shortstop Nomar Garciaparra, catcher Jason Varitek and designated hitter-first baseman David Ortiz.

"Most teams don't have the core kind of six guys, free agents, all at the exact same time," Lowe said. "That's what makes it unique."

Epstein doesn't know which, if any, of them will re-sign during the season. Lowe, careful not to raise his expectations, isn't counting on being one of them.

"If something doesn't happen, you're not devastated," he said. "The big thing is, you have to perform well. If you don't perform well, you're not helping anybody's cause."

Was it poor planning that gave six players a chance to become free agents at the same time?

Epstein said some of their contracts were in effect before John Henry became majority owner after the 2001 season. And Epstein disagreed with Lowe's prediction that the team's core will be shattered.

"That's overly dramatic. Baseball teams change every year," Epstein said. "The players we have going into the last year of their contracts by no means have been written off. Many of them are going to be parts of this team moving forward."

The Red Sox have 11 players signed or under their control through at least 2005, more than most teams, he said.

Henry also disagreed with Lowe.

"I just can't imagine that that's how things will turn out," he said.

Lowe prefers to stay in Boston but said all players would like to test the free-agent market to determine their worth. Free agents consider many factors -- location of the team, money, winning -- in deciding where to play, he said.

Which one is most important to him?

"No comment," he said.

With the acquisition last November of Curt Schilling, Lowe drops to the third spot in the rotation behind Martinez and Schilling and thinks it would be difficult financially for the team to keep all three in 2005.

"I never said that," Epstein said.

Lowe, 30, was traded by Seattle in 1997 and led the AL with 42 saves in 2000. He struggled at times as a reliever in 2001 but thrived as a starter the past two seasons.

Despite a poor start, he was 17-7 with a 4.47 ERA last season after missing a month of offseason workouts because of a procedure to remove cancerous tissue from his nose. He was 6-1 with a 2.91 ERA in his last nine starts.

He's in much better shape now than he was a year ago, he said, and "I feel this year could easily be my best."

The rotation includes Tim Wakefield and Byung-Hyun Kim. And the bullpen is solid with Keith Foulke, Alan Embree, Mike Timlin, Ramiro Mendoza, Bronson Arroyo and Williamson.

"I'm not a huge Red Sox historian, but I think it's got to be one of the best (Boston pitching staffs) assembled in a long time," Lowe said.

For at least one more season, he'll be part of it.

"The more you can perform well, the more pressure you put on" team officials, Lowe said, "but if they opt not to sign you, I think finding a job next year won't be that hard."

Cnnsi.com

:(Man, I hope we wil mainly be together.At least Theo is a GREAT GM.I think he can pull it off.We shall see, but it happens to every team, and it is just another chance to show your greatness in teh front office to put together a winner after a core of a team is disassembled.

PoAnTimRSexi

02-22-2004, 02:21 PM

I'll be honest... I seriously question the Sox's hiring of Terry Francona. I watched him for 3 years managing a talented Phillies team, and he seems incapable to win more than 70 games. But, there's no denying that the Red Sox have a lot of talent, and that kind of talent will win games. Still, I'd take Grady over Terry.

Either way, I don't mind having Grady Little as a GM consultant for the Cubs. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

esska

02-22-2004, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by MarvelMovies
The worst part about the Sox is that they fired Grady Little after he lead them to the League finals.. 1 run away from the World Series..

I hope the new guy knows what he's doing..

Go Sox!

White Sox go!If thats what you mean.Other than that CUBS ARE THE BEST!

TheCheshireCat

02-22-2004, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Looks like Cheshire Cat may get his wish of someone to replace Jay Fiedler. Perhaps not who he expected...

The Dolphins are extremely close to trading a 3rd round pick to my Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd string QB A.J. Feeley. Explain this logic to me: A.J. Feeley, a 4-1 career starter, garners a third round pick. But Patrick Ramsey, 5-11, garners a first rounder? Meh.

Either way, I don't mind. A.J. was never going to get steady playing time, so I'll gladly take the 3rd rounder. I'm still surprised with the Dolphins creating this log jam under center. The prospect of drafting Rivers or Losman... Fiedler... Griese... now Feeley. I have no idea who they're intending to start, but I hope it's A.J. I like him, and I'd enjoy seeing him get a real chance.

Oy veh. I just hope whoever they get works out. Did you hear about TO wanting to play down here? That would be so cool :cool:

PoAnTimRSexi

02-22-2004, 03:05 PM

Just read on the Eagles' site: the trade isn't official until March 3rd(NFL rules), but Miami will send their 2nd round pick for 2005 to the Eagles for A.J. Feeley. And, apparently, reports out of Miami indicate that Feeley will be the Phins' starting QB. I wish him the best of luck...

As for T.O., he'd be a great asset to any team, in my opinion. People overrate his "attitude," and his sometimes hard hands. I still hope he signs with the Eagles, because he'd be a vast upgrade over every receiver on the team. But if he goes to Miami, he'll be another prime target for "my boy" A.J. ;)

TheCheshireCat

02-22-2004, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Just read on the Eagles' site: the trade isn't official until March 3rd(NFL rules), but Miami will send their 2nd round pick for 2005 to the Eagles for A.J. Feeley. And, apparently, reports out of Miami indicate that Feeley will be the Phins' starting QB. I wish him the best of luck...

As for T.O., he'd be a great asset to any team, in my opinion. People overrate his "attitude," and his sometimes hard hands. I still hope he signs with the Eagles, because he'd be a vast upgrade over every receiver on the team. But if he goes to Miami, he'll be another prime target for "my boy" A.J. ;)

I know I've seen Feeley play but can't really remember it. If they do get Feeley I wonder what they'll do with their first round pick? Hopefully an O-line man. Or trade it for Owens. I don't care how bad of an attitude he has, he's better than McKnight, Gadsen, Tolver, and Thompson combined. TO + Chambers + McMichael + Williams would be pretty awesome no matter who's under center.

Slipknot

02-22-2004, 03:24 PM

AJ Feely as the Dolphins starting QB? I dont know about that... but who knows maybe he'll be good.

Illchill

02-22-2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Slipknot
AJ Feely as the Dolphins starting QB? I dont know about that... but who knows maybe he'll be good.

Yea, he may be a decent quarterback, but there was a reason he was 3rd-string/last resort.

Slipknot

02-22-2004, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Illchill
Yea, he may be a decent quarterback, but there was a reason he was 3rd-string/last resort.
He should have been in the playoffs this year when McNabb went down though... Koy Detmer is horrible.

PoAnTimRSexi

02-22-2004, 03:39 PM

Detmer is 2nd string because he knows the West Coast system and the Eagles' playbook like the back of his hand. He may not have the physical tools to be a starting QB, but he's got the mentality and leadership.

A.J. is no Marino. A.J. is no Manning. A.J. is being brought in to hand off to Ricky Williams, and throw the occasional pass to Chambers and possibly a high draftee(which A.J. can do; he doesn't have a rifle arm but he's accurate). Why not just use Griese or Fiedler, you ask? A.J. is younger, and much cheaper. No need to pay a QB 4-6 mil if all he's going to do is hand off to the franchise back.

Also, don't forget... A.J. had 1,300 or so yards in 5 starts, with a very mediocre receiving corps. With Chambers, and possibly Reggie Williams or Mike Clayton being drafted, he could surprise some people. It's a nice move for both sides, in my opinion.

Slipknot

02-22-2004, 03:42 PM

Detmer blew the game for the Eagles... he threw a bunch of interceptions, it doesnt matter in that kid of situation if the guy doesnt knwo the "whole" system of offense... you put the better QB out there IMO.

PoAnTimRSexi

02-22-2004, 03:48 PM

He only threw one interception, which was more of an athletic play by Dan Morgan than a bad throw. McNabb threw 2 more int's than Detmer.

Either way, I agree with you. With the season, and a Super Bowl birth, on the line... you put in the better QB. That's just not Reid's coaching style, unfortunetely.

Illchill

02-22-2004, 07:49 PM

Chargers seem to want to get it clear that they want Eli, so Eli they will get.

TheCheshireCat

02-22-2004, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Detmer is 2nd string because he knows the West Coast system and the Eagles' playbook like the back of his hand. He may not have the physical tools to be a starting QB, but he's got the mentality and leadership.

A.J. is no Marino. A.J. is no Manning. A.J. is being brought in to hand off to Ricky Williams, and throw the occasional pass to Chambers and possibly a high draftee(which A.J. can do; he doesn't have a rifle arm but he's accurate). Why not just use Griese or Fiedler, you ask? A.J. is younger, and much cheaper. No need to pay a QB 4-6 mil if all he's going to do is hand off to the franchise back.

Also, don't forget... A.J. had 1,300 or so yards in 5 starts, with a very mediocre receiving corps. With Chambers, and possibly Reggie Williams or Mike Clayton being drafted, he could surprise some people. It's a nice move for both sides, in my opinion.

We don't need a Marino or a Manning but I'm pretty sure no one wants someone who can just hand off to Ricky. That didn't seem to work nearly as well this season because the O-line is horrible and everyone knows it's coming. The only reason Ricky even broke 1000 is because he's one tough mother ****er.

I'd love for them to get someone who can throw to Chambers because he might actually be the most underrated WR on the planet. :)