Sports debate.

[Illchill]

I have been doing alot of sports topics recently, and have seen alot here, and this one is on me giving a topic every few times a day and us discussing it, of course sports related. These are mainly NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL, and also some others every now and then.

[The Incredible Hulk]

*cough* NHL *cough*

*cough* big 4 sports *cough*

[Illchill]

First, Clemen's on all star team as a Zito replacement?? It already happened today, and should he have been on ibn the first place?

[The Incredible Hulk]

I dont htink so, Clemens isnt having an All-Star type year, why the hell did they replace Zito?? He's perfectly healthy...

[Illchill]

Fine, aslo NHL.

[jackcool]

What does everybody feel about the Avalanche getting Kariya AND Selanne?

[Chaos]

How did they get them?

[Calvin]

Why does soccer suck so much?

[Illchill]

Originally posted by The Incredible Hulk
I dont htink so, Clemens isnt having an All-Star type year, why the hell did they replace Zito?? He's perfectly healthy...
He isn't having a All-star year, this is a half season award, not a lifetime achievement thing. Zito threw 106 pitches yesterdsay I think so they repalced him, but he never even knew!!!His management said no way.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Calvin
Why does soccer suck so much?

I am in America, so I don;t see it that much, but i don't really know about it much.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by jackcool
What does everybody feel about the Avalanche getting Kariya AND Selanne?

I really don't know that much about hockey.

[Calvin]

Originally posted by Illchill
I am in America, so I don;t see it that much, but i don't really know about it much.

I'm in America too, and you can take my word for it that it sucks. Sucks real bad. Hell, it shouldn't even be a sport. You could throw in a bunch of chickens with a mini ball and it wouldn't be much different.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by jackcool
What does everybody feel about the Avalanche getting Kariya AND Selanne? did they really go to the Avs?:eek:

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by Calvin
I'm in America too, and you can take my word for it that it sucks. Sucks real bad. Hell, it shouldn't even be a sport. You could throw in a bunch of chickens with a mini ball and it wouldn't be much different. yeah, I hate soccer too

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Calvin
Why does soccer suck so much?

Silence N00b!!!

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Calvin
You could throw in a bunch of chickens with a mini ball and it wouldn't be much different.

Intrigiung.....

[venom340]

How does anybody think LeBron James is gonna do next year? I think he'll average about 15-18 points, maybe 5 or 6 boards, and 4 assists a game.

[The Incredible Hulk]

not only did they go to the Avs they both took a LOT less money

[Calvin]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Silence N00b!!!

Never! It sucks!

[jackcool]

Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
did they really go to the Avs?:eek:

Yep. so they have Forsberg, Sakic, Hejduk, Kariya, Selanne, and Tanguay.....that's crazy!

[Illchill]

Also, with all these questions, please use qoutes on your posts.

[jackcool]

Originally posted by The Incredible Hulk
not only did they go to the Avs they both took a LOT less money

Yep Kariya is only getting 1.2 million next year...

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Calvin
Never! It sucks!

http://www.picturedot.com/FetchImageJPG.asp?ImageType=P&ImageFormat=H&ImageID=54544

[Illchill]

Originally posted by venom340
How does anybody think LeBron James is gonna do next year? I think he'll average about 15-18 points, maybe 5 or 6 boards, and 4 assists a game.

Well, he IS with the Cavs, and will probably get all of their ball time. I don't know how he'll do, but he is impressive thus far.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by jackcool
Yep. so they have Forsberg, Sakic, Hejduk, Kariya, Selanne, and Tanguay.....that's crazy! that's just insane, it's like how the wings were getting everyone

[Illchill]

This got to 2 pages quickly.

[jackcool]

Also, I wonder what the Red Wings are gonna do with Curtis Joseph now that Hasek is back....

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by Illchill
Well, he IS with the Cavs, and will probably get all of their ball time. I don't know how he'll do, but he is impressive thus far. I don't think there's any possible way he can live up to this hype though.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
I don't think there's any possible way he can live up to this hype though.

Me 2.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Calvin
I'm in America too, and you can take my word for it that it sucks. Sucks real bad. Hell, it shouldn't even be a sport. You could throw in a bunch of chickens with a mini ball and it wouldn't be much different.

Stating your American before talking about soccer makes me realize whatever you're going to say is total crap. Americans in general have a low opinion of soccer. It's your choice not to like it, but you can't deny it takes skill. A bunch of chickens couldn't kick a ball 97 MPH or throw it 40 yards or anything of the sort. Take a soccer ball outside and try some of the professional moves. I'm sure you're capable of something a bunch of chickens could do with a mini ball. :rolleyes:

[jackcool]

Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
that's just insane, it's like how the wings were getting everyone

I know....and their defense is pretty good too: Blake, Foote, and Morris.....if only they could get Cujo, then they would be set :D

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by jackcool
Also, I wonder what the Red Wings are gonna do with Curtis Joseph now that Hasek is back.... just use him for backup I guess? put him into free agency? I don't know, but it would be a shame to have cujo standing on the sidelines.

[Knightsaber Priss]

What about that Lance Armstrong?

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Stating your American before talking about soccer makes me realize whatever you're going to say is total crap. Americans in general have a low opinion of soccer. It's your choice not to like it, but you can't deny it takes skill. A bunch of chickens couldn't kick a ball 97 MPH or throw it 40 yards or anything of the sort. Take a soccer ball outside and try some of the professional moves. I'm sure you're capable of something a bunch of chickens could do with a mini ball. :rolleyes: we don't like soccer, take that crap outta here

[Peacekeeper]

I am still in shock that Jeter OR Clemens dont get to play (or the start) at the All-Star Game.

Also, does anyone else think its ridiculous that the winner of the AllStar Game gets home field advantage in the World Series?
the AllStar game is for the fans; not another form of the playoffs... Also, it takes place in the BREAK of the season... players dont wanna play hard as they can in a game thats supposed to be for fun.

[venom340]

Originally posted by Illchill
Well, he IS with the Cavs, and will probably get all of their ball time. I don't know how he'll do, but he is impressive thus far.

I can't wait to see the Cavs-Lakers and Cavs-Magic games. Man, those will be sweet! I hope LeBron does really good, that would make it a lot more fun to watch NBA games.

[jackcool]

Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
just use him for backup I guess? put him into free agency? I don't know, but it would be a shame to have cujo standing on the sidelines.

Yeah.....but can they really pay Cujo 8 million dollars just to play as a back-up?

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by jackcool
Yeah.....but can they really pay Cujo 8 million dollars just to play as a back-up? no, they can't, probably going to trade him, which would actually be good

[venom340]

Originally posted by Illchill
Me 2.

Me 3.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Stating your American before talking about soccer makes me realize whatever you're going to say is total crap. Americans in general have a low opinion of soccer. It's your choice not to like it, but you can't deny it takes skill. A bunch of chickens couldn't kick a ball 97 MPH or throw it 40 yards or anything of the sort. Take a soccer ball outside and try some of the professional moves. I'm sure you're capable of something a bunch of chickens could do with a mini ball. :rolleyes:

Try to hit a golf-ball hundreds of yards into a teeny hole.Doesn't make golf exciting.But i still; don't know about socer, I just enver really watched it.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
we don't like soccer, take that crap outta here

It's sports chat, not big-gay-hockey chat. :)

[jackcool]

Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
no, they can't, probably going to trade him, which would actually be good

Yeah....that's what I think too...hopefully he'll waive his no-trade clause. I'm betting Colorado would love to get him, but I don't think Detroit will trade him to the Avalanche...

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
Try to hit a golf-ball hundreds of yards into a teeny hole.Doesn't make golf exciting.But i still; don't know about socer, I just enver really watched it.

Did you just compare golf to soccer? :confused:
Soccer is constant running while golf is much more...calm :)

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
It's sports chat, not big-gay-hockey chat. :) what you just said was really dumb, and it's obvious that you didn't read the thread stater's comments. Soccer is a non-issue.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by jackcool
Yeah....that's what I think too...hopefully he'll waive his no-trade clause. I'm betting Colorado would love to get him, but I don't think Detroit will trade him to the Avalanche... nope, they're a lot smarter than that

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Peacekeeper
I am still in shock that Jeter OR Clemens dont get to play (or the start) at the All-Star Game.

Also, does anyone else think its ridiculous that the winner of the AllStar Game gets home field advantage in the World Series?
the AllStar game is for the fans; not another form of the playoffs... Also, it takes place in the BREAK of the season... players dont wanna play hard as they can in a game thats supposed to be for fun.

Clemen's IS playing, but Jeter???C'mon man, he missed a huge chunk of the season, and he numbers pale in comparison to A-Rod and Nomah.

Also, world series advantage is bad. How do bad guys get a chance to play when the superstars of the team are playing for all-star advantage.It already counted before these stupid commercials. Ted Willaims hit one hios best homers in it.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
what you just said was really dumb

File a complaint to my supervisor.

Soccer is a non-issue.
Tell that to whoever brought it up. :)

[jackcool]

Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
nope, they're a lot smarter than that

I'm thinking Philadelphia might want him, but they always seem to pass over him for a cheaper alternative (Vanbiesbrouck, Ceckmanek, and now Hackett). But St. Louis is also interested in Cujo....

[Illchill]

Thsi si liek officially, the largest post count thread in a short amount of time, or one of them.

[TheAlmightyFuzz]

Originally posted by jackcool
I'm thinking Philadelphia might want him, but they always seem to pass over him for a cheaper alternative (Vanbiesbrouck, Ceckmanek, and now Hackett). But St. Louis is also interested in Cujo.... lol, that'd be a really nice "homecoming"

[jackcool]

Yep :D
I think he'd be better off in St. Louis than in Toronto ;)

[Calvin]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Stating your American before talking about soccer makes me realize whatever you're going to say is total crap. Americans in general have a low opinion of soccer. It's your choice not to like it, but you can't deny it takes skill. A bunch of chickens couldn't kick a ball 97 MPH or throw it 40 yards or anything of the sort. Take a soccer ball outside and try some of the professional moves. I'm sure you're capable of something a bunch of chickens could do with a mini ball. :rolleyes:

I only pointed out my americaninity because Illchill did. And I'm not joking about the chicken thing. The stats would be exactly the same. Somewhere in the range of 3-2 with a whole bunch of pointless running around.

[Illchill]

Whut about the Home Run Derby withOUT Barry?

[Illchill]

And if they needed to pick another starter, Boomer woulda been a good choice.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
Whut about the Home Run Derby withOUT Barry?

Really ghey

[Illchill]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Really ghey


It was really awesome, especially the last two rounds.

[Illchill]

American League shall crush National League, because it counts this time.Kinda.Sorta....U no whut I mean. Besaides, AL is 6-0 in last 7 games.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by The Incredible Hulk
I dont htink so, Clemens isnt having an All-Star type year, why the hell did they replace Zito?? He's perfectly healthy...

Clemens is leading the AL in strikeouts and is among the leaders for starting pitching in both ERA and walks - He IS having an All-Star year but he hasn't had the run support this year to have a better record.
BTW, did Michael Jordon have an All-Star year in the NBA last year? NO! However, when you have a career like a Jordon in basketball or a Clemens in baseball, you make the All-Star team at the end of your career with the stats that they put up (Clemens is actually having afar better year for a pitcher than Jordon had for a basketball player).

[jackcool]

Originally posted by reggiebar

BTW, did Michael Jordon have an All-Star year in the NBA last year? NO! However, when you have a career like a Jordon in basketball or a Clemens in baseball, you make the All-Star team at the end of your career with the stats that they put up (Clemens is actually having afar better year for a pitcher than Jordon had for a basketball player).

Yeah, but Jordan wasn't actually picked to be in the all-star game until people started to ***** that he should've been chosen...

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Illchill
And if they needed to pick another starter, Boomer woulda been a good choice.

Mike Mussina actually deserved the nod for a replacement starting pitcher over Boomer.

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by jackcool
Yeah, but Jordan wasn't actually picked to be in the all-star game until people started to ***** that he should've been chosen...

Was he or was he not an All-Star???

[Illchill]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Mike Mussina actually deserved the nod for a replacement starting pitcher over Boomer.

Maybe, but Zito shoulda, definately, even possibly Rivera.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Soccer sucks! it really really sucks!

[Illchill]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Was he or was he not an All-Star???

He was, and almost really did sumthin with it, he did good, especially in the end there, he had a couple of chances that eh didnt do to well on however.

[Mutant Dylan]

First off: Soccer is a legitimate sport. I took a class over it this past semester, and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to dribble a soccer ball and run at the same time.

Second: What does everyone think about Maurice Clarett from Ohio State getting the professor to give him an oral exam instead of a regular test like everyone else in the class had to take?

[Illchill]

Originally posted by cyborg ninja 14
Soccer sucks! it really really sucks!


No, u have to do Sooooooooocer, liek coach klien did.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Mutant Dylan
First off: Soccer is a legitimate sport. I took a class over it this past semester, and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to dribble a soccer ball and run at the same time.

Second: What does everyone think about Maurice Clarett from Ohio State getting the professor to give him an oral exam instead of a regular test like everyone else in the class had to take?


Just another spoiled sports-man.:o

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by Illchill
Maybe, but Zito shoulda, definately, even possibly Rivera.

I agree that Mariano Rivera deserved it the most for any Yankee pitcher, but they needed a starter as a replacement.

[Illchill]

Rickey henderspn is back, yea baby.:D I love that guy. He is funny and a great player at 44.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Illchill
No, u have to do Sooooooooocer, liek coach klien did.

bah, I got hit in the face hard by a soccer ball when I was young so thats why I hate it:mad:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Illchill
Rickey henderspn is back, yea baby.:D I love that guy. He is funny and a great player at 44.

He'll school all those youngins on the Dodgers;)

[Illchill]

And also......u knew it was comin......



















ITS LIMA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Illchill]

Originally posted by cyborg ninja 14
He'll school all those youngins on the Dodgers;)

He only stole 9 bases at Atlantic league, btu hit 339 with 8 homers:eek:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Illchill
He only stole 9 bases at Atlantic league, btu hit 339 with 8 homers:eek:

hell, id want him on my team!

[Illchill]

He was on mine last year (Red Sox).

[Mutant Dylan]

I can understand why Maurice Clarret might need a tutor because Division 1 football takes up an incredible amount of time. But his professor said that he was [i]completely[i] unprepared. In that case, she should have failed him. It's not like he would've been the only Buckeye football player to have bombed a class. The team has a 28% graduation rate.

[Illchill]

We have Damian Jackson to replace him.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Mutant Dylan
I can understand why Maurice Clarret might need a tutor because Division 1 football takes up an incredible amount of time. But his professor said that he was [i]completely[i] unprepared. In that case, she should have failed him. It's not like he would've been the only Buckeye football player to have bombed a class. The team has a 28% graduation rate.

:eek:

[Illchill]

Well all I know is that Dusty Baker is lucky to not haveta put every1 in.That way, when every1 complains, he could say he was "born to take the heat";)

[Illchill]

I am not into golf at all, btu I watxch sportscenter alot, and i wanted to no if Tiger was still "slumping".

[Soundwave]

Who else is ready for football to start again?

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by Illchill
I am not into golf at all, btu I watxch sportscenter alot, and i wanted to no if Tiger was still "slumping".

Dumbass media idiots. This guy has won more tournaments than anyone else on tour this year and they say he's slumping. Yeah, that's all Tiger needs: more motivation to win.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Who else is ready for football to start again?

:D

[Calvin]

Good lord, a quadruple post!

[Jakesteraholic]

Why is Iowa Hawkeye football coach Kirk Ferentz starting the slow-footed senior Nate Chandler at quarterback when he could try and cultivate a freshman who has more talent for 4 years? Furthermore, he just had the runner-up in Heisman voting as QB last year, who feasted on QB draws. Nate Chandler can't run a QB draw because his offensive line has quicker feet than he does!!! :mad:



Oh man that takes a load off. Whew.


Now I just wish there were any college football fans who I could discuss this and other pressing issues with.

[Jakesteraholic]

Originally posted by Mutant Dylan
I can understand why Maurice Clarret might need a tutor because Division 1 football takes up an incredible amount of time. But his professor said that he was [i]completely[i] unprepared. In that case, she should have failed him. It's not like he would've been the only Buckeye football player to have bombed a class. The team has a 28% graduation rate.

Check Iowa's graduation rate. Way better, and Iowa was CLEARLY the best team in the Big 10 last year. Damn scheduling loophole allowed Ohio State to somehow be #1. I mean, OSU almost lost to Cincinnati pre-season! They were taken to double-OT by Illinois! ILLINOIS!


God I love the Hawkeyes.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Jakesteraholic
Why is Iowa Hawkeye football coach Kirk Ferentz starting the slow-footed senior Nate Chandler at quarterback when he could try and cultivate a freshman who has more talent for 4 years? Furthermore, he just had the runner-up in Heisman voting as QB last year, who feasted on QB draws. Nate Chandler can't run a QB draw because his offensive line has quicker feet than he does!!! :mad:



Oh man that takes a load off. Whew.


Now I just wish there were any college football fans who I could discuss this and other pressing issues with.

Because NCAA football always needs contreversial issues or stupid decisions in a season.

[Jakesteraholic]

As long as we're talking college football...

Who here hates the BCS?

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Jakesteraholic
As long as we're talking college football...

Who here hates the BCS?

Yessss! College Football. ALmost time!:D

BCS sucks though its better than the old way.

Need a playoff; hopefully not too far off.

As far as Claurette, nothin new at a football school.

"A little school's better than no school at all.";)
Pat Dye

[Illchill]

Well, American League just won 7-6 on a great game. Gagne got loss:D :eek: .Varitek got no love, but Nomah got up and at least we WON!

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by Illchill
Well, American League just won 7-6 on a great game. Gagne got loss:D :eek: .Varitek got no love, but Nomah got up and at least we WON!

Well, us Ranger fans haven't had much to cheer about in a while so our boy Hank made Gagne his ***** and got the Yankees home field in the World Series.

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by wareagle
Yessss! College Football. ALmost time!:D

BCS sucks though its better than the old way.

Need a playoff; hopefully not too far off.

As far as Claurette, nothin new at a football school.

"A little school's better than no school at all.";)
Pat Dye

Yeah why is anyone surprised that an athlete gets special treatment in order to play in a big game.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Well, us Ranger fans haven't had much to cheer about in a while so our boy Hank made Gagne his ***** and got the Yankees home field in the World Series.



U spelt the Red Sox wrong...:p

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Illchill
Well, American League just won 7-6 on a great game. Gagne got loss:D :eek: .Varitek got no love, but Nomah got up and at least we WON!

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!:mad: I had faith in you Gagne!!!!!:mad:

*Conan* Why Bob Why!!:mad: *Conan*

*whimpers in corner*:(

[Illchill]

I no I've been here for awhile and had a lot of threads with like at least 50 replys, btu this could be my fiorst 100 post thread:eek:

[Jakesteraholic]

Originally posted by Illchill
U spelt the Red Sox wrong...:p
Pfft. Jeter'll lead the Yanks to the Series. When Jete gets in the playoffs, his game just gets out-of-body. It's uncanny.

[The Green Goblin]

ESPY's tonite.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by wareagle
ESPY's tonite.

I am watchin them now.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Jakesteraholic
Pfft. Jeter'll lead the Yanks to the Series. When Jete gets in the playoffs, his game just gets out-of-body. It's uncanny.


They will get there definately, both will probably. And yea, Jeter will tear it up. But his numbers are just so-so rite now, not even counting the injury. Some contreversy will probably hinder there p;laying skills slighty again.

[Illchill]

JUST IN!!!!!!!!!!!


NEW YORK -- During Monday's All-Star media day in Chicago, Armando Benitez talked about what it would be like for him to change New York uniforms should he get traded from the Mets to the Yankees.
"At least I'd be able to stay in New York," Benitez said. "I wouldn't have to move out of my house."

Wednesday, the move -- or non-move -- became a reality, as the Yankees acquired the All-Star reliever from the Mets in exchange for right-hander Jason Anderson and a pair of minor-league pitchers. Conference calls are scheduled for later this evening.


Benitez will be used as a right-handed setup man with the Yankees, joining Antonio Osuna and southpaw Chris Hammond as the team's bridge between the starting pitchers and closer Mariano Rivera.

"No matter where I go, I'll do the job they want me to do," Benitez said on Monday. "It won't be a problem for me. Every team knows what I can do, to be a closer, so I won't be upset if I'm a setup man on some team. I'll just do my job."

Benitez, who did not pitch in Tuesday's All-Star Game, has pitched in a setup role before, doing so for the first four years of his big-league career in Baltimore. When he joined the Mets in 1999, he was John Franco's setup man until he assumed the closer's job during the season.

"I've been setup man for a lot of good closers -- Randy Myers, Lee Smith, John Franco, Doug Jones," Benitez said. "I won't be upset as long as we win. If I can help the team, that's all I want. Rivera and me would be a good combo, we'd give the team a chance to win."

Benitez is 3-3 with 21 saves and a 3.10 ERA this season in 45 games for the Mets. But the big right-hander has also blown seven saves, tying him for the most in the Majors this season. One of those blown saves came against the Yankees on June 22, when he walked four batters in the ninth inning, tying the game. The Yankees went on to win, 7-3, in front of a national television audience.

"With the addition of Armando, we addressed the need for a proven power arm at the back end of the bullpen," said general manager Brian Cashman. "We are excited to add Armando because we believe he will help solidify the bridge between our starters and Mariano Rivera."

Entering the season, Benitez had converted 117 of his 129 save opportuni ties over the past three seasons, a 90.7 percent success rate -- the best in baseball. His 160 saves for the Mets are second on the club's all-time list, and he became the first Met to notch 30 saves in three consecutive seasons.

But Benitez blew some big saves for the Mets, most notably Game 1 of the 2000 World Series against the Yankees. The Mets went on to lose the Subway Series in five games, with Benitez's blown save serving as the turning point. Benitez believes that Mets fans will realize what he contributed to the team once he's gone.

"Maybe someday they'll recognize what I did there," he said on Monday.

The Yankees have struggled to find consistency in the bullpen this season, using 11 different relief pitchers. Steve Karsay's season-ending shoulder surgery left a gaping hole in the bullpen, and Osuna's two stints on the disabled list had the Yankees scrambling to find a right-handed setup man.

On June 25, the Yankees traded for Cleveland right-hander Dan Miceli, hoping he would fill the setup role until Osuna returned. But Miceli has a 5.40 ERA in six appearances with the Yankees, throwing just 3 1/3 innings.

Anderson, 24, has appeared in 22 games for the Yankees, going 1-0 with a 4.79 ERA. Anderson was penciled in as the closer for Triple-A Columbus this season before making the Yankees out of Spring Training.

In addition to Anderson, the Yankees sent right-handers Anderson Garcia and Ryan Bicondoa to the Mets. Bicondoa, a cousin of late Cardinals pitcher Darryl Kile, was 3-2 with a 3.54 ERA in 15 games (five starts) for the Tampa Yankees of the Single-A Florida State League. Garcia is 3-6 with a 3.32 ERA in 16 games for Battle Creek of the Single-A Midwest League.

The deal is the 12th between the two clubs and the first since the Mets swapped Robin Ventura for David Justice on Dec. 7, 2001.

Mark Feinsand is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
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Whut r the Yannks thinkin? I am happy though.I think he will do more harm than not.Using him as a set-up man gives Rivera like 9 save opps. all season form here on.

[Illchill]

For my first 100-post thread.....



How come LSU won play award?I toguht lebron's dunk was pretty.

[Hyper]

Because the other team thought they had it won they even threw the Gatorade on the coach and with no time left LSU won, that's why. :)

And I saw an interview with Dennis Rodman last night and he said tha more than likely he will return to the NBA this season. :eek: I personally think he'll be a great fit with the Pacers, he'll probably be Ron Artest's new best friend. ;) But seriousely it makes sense him going to indiana especially if they don't re-sigh Brad Miller and he used to play in Detroit with Isaih Thomas. :D

[Jakesteraholic]

Iowa athletics director Bob Bowlsby is now chairman of the group that picks the NCAA tourney seedings...further proof that the Iowa Hawkeyes deserve to be tops in all sports. :D

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Illchill
For my first 100-post thread.....



How come LSU won play award?I toguht lebron's dunk was pretty.

That was a sweet dunk. Lad's gotta a ways to go to live up to all that hype though.

I was hopin Vick would win it makin the whole Viking defense disappear.

LSU should have won the pulled it outtya arse award.:D

[Illchill]

Who will win superbowl, based on real opinion, not who u like....

[Illchill]

So, how does Vick's injury hurt the Falcon's playoff chances?

[Illchill]

Also, whut team (not based on just whut teams u like/dislike) is gonna not make it to the playoffs as part of the big 4, in the MLB....

[Hyper]

Braves and Yankees for sure. And the Marlins are going to win the wild card. :cool:

[incurock31]

Holy ****, who caught the end of the Yankees game?

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by incurock31
Holy ****, who caught the end of the Yankees game?

More like WHO GIVES A **** THE YANKEES ARE GAY...yeah

[Illchill]

Originally posted by incurock31
Holy ****, who caught the end of the Yankees game?

I saw it on gameday:mad: It just tells play by play, but was the play awesome our just a baserunning mistake?Stoopid yankees:mad: By the time the Sox and the Yankees finish their remaining six games, all at The Stadium, then I will see hwo the Sox AL East chanceas are, but til then I am chekcin out the wild card scoop, which we lead by a game....

[Illchill]

TELL ME!I dont wanna put ESPN on...

[akut401]

BALTIMORE (AP) -- Jack Cust provided an appropriate ending to an extraordinary game.

The Baltimore Orioles' rookie had already fallen once rounding third base, and was in the midst of a rundown when he suddenly realized there was no one covering the plate.

All Cust had to do was outrun New York third baseman Aaron Boone the final 10 feet to create a 12th-inning tie. But Cust tripped again and was tagged for the final out in the Yankees' 5-4 victory Saturday night.

"He had a free trip to home, and he tripped and fell," Orioles manager Mike Hargrove said. "Those things happen."

Not very often, though.

"It was bizarre, certainly," Boone said.

"We lucked out," Yankees manager Joe Torre said. "I don't even want to see a replay. I'd just as soon go home, go to sleep and wake up tomorrow."

Jason Giambi hit his 35th homer with two outs in the top of the 12th as the Yankees dealt Baltimore its sixth straight loss.

Jeff Nelson walked Cust with two outs in the 12th before Larry Bigbie doubled to right-center. Cust tried to stop as he rounded third, but slipped to the ground.

"I tried to plant, but my feet just gave out," Cust said. "It's the grass. It's just soft."

Second baseman Alfonso Soriano made a low relay throw to third, and Cust was caught in a rundown. As he saw the clear path to the plate and tried to get into high gear, he stumbled facefirst to the ground and was easily tagged out.



and Jeter got his 1500 hit already....damn that was pretty quick.....

[Illchill]

That sucks...

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Who will win superbowl, based on real opinion, not who u like....

1. Philadelphia over Tennessee ;)
2. St. Louis over Denver
3. Buffalo over Green Bay

Too hard to narrow down to one.


So, how does Vick's injury hurt the Falcon's playoff chances?

Quite obviously. They're playing in too hard a division(arguably the toughest in football) to have to rely on Warrick Dunn, Peerless Price and some roleplayers to get them into the playoffs. Their big off-season acquisition was Peerless Price, and now the guy throwing to him is a back-up with 5 career touchdowns. Some players have a tendency to heal quickly from these types injuries, so maybe Vick will miss even less than 6 weeks. This is just another reason that the NFL is gonna wanna look closer to limiting the number of pre-season games...

Also, whut team (not based on just whut teams u like/dislike) is gonna not make it to the playoffs as part of the big 4, in the MLB....

"Big 4?" I'm not sure what you mean. If you're going by top-4 salaries, that'd make the list the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers and Cubs. Obviously I'd choose the Dodgers and Mets not to make it. If you're going by win/loss record, that'd be the Yankees, Mariners, Giants and Braves. Out of those I'd say Yankees and Mariners, since Oakland and Boston are hot on their trails.

Braves and Yankees for sure. And the Marlins are going to win the wild card.

Phils all the way. :mad: :)

[Illchill]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
1. Philadelphia over Tennessee ;)
2. St. Louis over Denver
3. Buffalo over Green Bay

Too hard to narrow down to one.




Quite obviously. Their big off-season acquisition was Peerless Price, and now the guy throwing to him is a back-up with 5 career touchdowns. Some players have a tendency to heal quickly from these types injuries, so maybe Vick will miss even less than 6 weeks. This is just another reason that the NFL is gonna wanna look closer to limiting the number of pre-season games...



"Big 4?" I'm not sure what you mean. If you're going by top-4 salaries, that'd make the list the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers and Cubs. Obviously I'd choose the Dodgers and Mets not to make it. If you're going by win/loss record, that'd be the Yankees, Mariners, Giants and Braves. Out of those I'd say Yankees and Mariners, since Oakland and Boston are hot on their trails.



Phils all the way. :mad: :)

Whut I meant by the big 4 are the Sox, Yanks, A's and Mariners. And when theys ay Vick is out 6 weeks, they mean til week 6 or 6 weeks from now??:confused:

[Illchill]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
1. Philadelphia over Tennessee ;)
2. St. Louis over Denver
3. Buffalo over Green Bay

Too hard to narrow down to one.




Quite obviously. They're playing in too hard a division(arguably the toughest in football) to have to rely on Warrick Dunn, Peerless Price and some roleplayers to get them into the playoffs. Their big off-season acquisition was Peerless Price, and now the guy throwing to him is a back-up with 5 career touchdowns. Some players have a tendency to heal quickly from these types injuries, so maybe Vick will miss even less than 6 weeks. This is just another reason that the NFL is gonna wanna look closer to limiting the number of pre-season games...



"Big 4?" I'm not sure what you mean. If you're going by top-4 salaries, that'd make the list the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers and Cubs. Obviously I'd choose the Dodgers and Mets not to make it. If you're going by win/loss record, that'd be the Yankees, Mariners, Giants and Braves. Out of those I'd say Yankees and Mariners, since Oakland and Boston are hot on their trails.



Phils all the way. :mad: :)

Also, no way are the Bills gonna make the playoffs....

[Mr Sinister]

all sports are dumb, except for martial arts or such. :)

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Mr Sinister
all sports are dumb, except for martial arts or such. :)
Im like martial arts....

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by Illchill
Whut I meant by the big 4 are the Sox, Yanks, A's and Mariners. And when theys ay Vick is out 6 weeks, they mean til week 6 or 6 weeks from now??:confused:

Out of those four I'd say the Sox. I'd narrow it down to the A's or the Sox, but I picked the A's to go to the World Series before the season started, so I'm biased. :p

And saying 6 weeks... I'd assume they mean six weeks from now. There's 2 weeks of pre-season left, so they could have Vick possibly back as soon as week 3 or 4. Some people are speculating that his injury may sit him down for up to 10 weeks, though.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Out of those four I'd say the Sox. I'd narrow it down to the A's or the Sox, but I picked the A's to go to the World Series before the season started, so I'm biased. :p

And saying 6 weeks... I'd assume they mean six weeks from now. There's 2 weeks of pre-season left, so they could have Vick possibly back as soon as week 3 or 4. Some people are speculating that his injury may sit him down for up to 10 weeks, though.

The only way the Sox are NOT making it are if they lose 10 or their next 18 games, which are against Seattle (today), then Oakland and Seattle and Toronto and New York and Phillie(one makeup game) and White Sox and New York.Seatle today is a pretty sure win, and Chicago cant contend against our hitting except Toroto cant take our bats, I think Sox will win and A's or M's will be left out by arounf 3 games.The only reason i say this is becasue afetyr that strecth for the Sox, they have all unbelivavbly easy teams....

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by Illchill
Also, no way are the Bills gonna make the playoffs....

They've revamped their defense to the point that it has potential to be one of the best in the AFC. London Fletcher and Takeo Spikes are two of the most dangerous linebackers in the AFC, Antoine Winfield puts up consistently good numbers, etc. As for offense, Drew Bledsoe, albeit over-payed, is one of the most stellar QB's in the league; they have one(potentially two if McGahee decides to play from a financial/health standpoint) great runner in the backfield; and even in losing Peerless Price, they still have a great wide-out in Eric Moulds.

Perhaps you're right, I don't blame those who are skeptical. But I'm chalking up the Bills as my real "dark horse" this season.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Does Rollerball qualify as a sport?

[Illchill]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
They've revamped their defense to the point that it has potential to be one of the best in the AFC. London Fletcher and Takeo Spikes are two of the most dangerous linebackers in the AFC, Antoine Winfield puts up consistently good numbers, etc. As for offense, Drew Bledsoe, albeit over-payed, is one of the most stellar QB's in the league; they have one(potentially two if McGahee decides to play from a financial/health standpoint) great runner in the backfield; and even in losing Peerless Price, they still have a great wide-out in Eric Moulds.

Perhaps you're right, I don't blame those who are skeptical. But I'm chalking up the Bills as my real "dark horse" this season.

OK, I'll take a dark horse prediction, but they have to beat out the Jets, Pats, and Bills.I just dont see that happeining, especially when Bledsoe faces Pats.AFC East is unbelivably tough now though.....

[Illchill]

Originally posted by CrouchingGoblin HiddenSpiderman
Does Rollerball qualify as a sport?

NO!:mad:









:p

[The Green Goblin]

Frig! :mad: First Vick, now Dale Jr has a messed up race car.

[The Kingpin]

ahahaaah I love your new sig wareagle

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Zereoue officially named Steelers' starting back over Jerome Bettis...

Holcomb named Browns' starting QB over Tim Couch...

Heated N.L. Central race continues as Mark Prior's seven scoreless inning-performance leads the Cubs to a 6-0 victory over the league leading Houston Astros. All the while the Cardinals get shell shocked, 14-0 against the Pirates. Houston still leads the division, with the Cubs a half game out, and the Cards a full game out.

Just as tight a race going on in the A.L. Central as the White Sox and Royals share the division lead with Minnesota only a half game out.

Looks like its going to be a good September for us baseball fans.

[Illchill]

Unless, of course, ur a Boston fan...

[Illchill]

And u aren't even mentioning the NL wildcard!

[The Green Goblin]

LaDainian Tomlinson carted off with a bruised heel at Chargers practice yesterday...

And college football begins this weekend! :D :D :D

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by Illchill
And u aren't even mentioning the NL wildcard!

I'm a bit biased, so I expect the Phillies to run away with it. ;)

[stevey L]

college football starts this weekend, woo hooo, whose playing?

[Illchill]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
I'm a bit biased, so I expect the Phillies to run away with it. ;)

With their bullpen?:eek:

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by stevey L
college football starts this weekend, woo hooo, whose playing?

No biggies, but its here! :D


Aug. 23 Sat. BCA Classic
California vs.
Kansas State Arrowhead Stadium
Kansas City, Mo. 7:45 p.m. ESPN

Aug. 23 Sat. Grambling @
San Jose State Spartan Stadium
San Jose, Calif. 6 p.m. ESPN2

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by Illchill
With their bullpen?:eek:

Well, I just typed a big ass reply about their bullpen, starting rotation and line-up, but SHH decided to poop out on me in the midst of replying. ****ing **** ****er *****.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
Well, I just typed a big ass reply about their bullpen, starting rotation and line-up, but SHH decided to poop out on me in the midst of replying. ****ing **** ****er *****.

:eek:I hope u were saying sp@m

[Illchill]

AL Rookie of the year anyone???Matsui shouldn't be allowed to, neither should've Ichiro.But he will win it anyways.If it were Baldelli and Berrora, Baldelli probably wouldn't win it being on one of the worst teams in baseball, and Berrora would probably win being on a probable 1st-place team.Unfortuanely, Matsui will take it...

[Jay1/2Dub]

"The boys are back, back on 2 and that's where they're gonna staaaay" Oops, I mean go Giants, Bonds' walk-off was simply magnificent :)

[Illchill]

LOOKOUT WILLIE MAYS!!

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by Illchill
LOOKOUT WILLIE MAYS!!

Willie is the greatest, better than Ruth :)

[Illchill]

:eek:

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by Illchill
:eek:

That's right, better than Ruth, Mantle, Dimaggio, Williams, etc...

[Illchill]

THE BABE??!!!THE KID!!!???!THE YANKEE CLIPPER!!???I will give you Mantle though....

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Illchill
AL Rookie of the year anyone???Matsui shouldn't be allowed to, neither should've Ichiro.But he will win it anyways.If it were Baldelli and Berrora, Baldelli probably wouldn't win it being on one of the worst teams in baseball, and Berrora would probably win being on a probable 1st-place team.Unfortuanely, Matsui will take it...

With the way the Royal's have turned there team around I say Berroa

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by Illchill
THE BABE??!!!THE KID!!!???!THE YANKEE CLIPPER!!???I will give you Mantle though....

Bah to all them, granted they were all great players, but Willie's stats and play on the field was better.

Also, I'm from the West Coast, so I have a bias :o

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Jay1/2Dub
Bah to all them, granted they were all great players, but Willie's stats and play on the field was better.

Also, I'm from the West Coast, so I have a bias :o

The ONLY thign I can give you there is fielding...
You MUST just be loking at Homeruns thoguh for the stats, Babe beats him out in like EVERY category, AND was one of best ever pitchers.....Williams has OBP and BB and batting average, and i think Babe also has OBP and walks, and Babe revolutionized baseball....WIlliams also hit 406, and lost several years to war service.ALSO, Williams' batting average is 344 career...

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by Illchill
The ONLY thign I can give you there is fielding...
You MUST just be loking at Homeruns thoguh for the stats, Babe beats him out in like EVERY category, AND was one of best ever pitchers.....Williams has OBP and BB and batting average, and i think Babe also has OBP and walks, and Babe revolutionized baseball....WIlliams also hit 406, and lost several years to war service.ALSO, Williams' batting average is 344 career...

I know all their stats. That's why I don't like comparing Willie and Ted, cause of the war and all. I'm talking about overall, he didn't have the top stats in every aspect, but was always up there, that's just my opinion.

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by cyborg ninja 14
With the way the Royal's have turned there team around I say Berroa


Mark Texiera!

[PoAnTimRSexi]

They're dropping like flies. Chad Pennington is out for a minimum of 12 weeks—likely the season, due to an injured left wrist. Looks like it's time for "Vinny and the Jets." :o

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
They're dropping like flies. Chad Pennington is out for a minimum of 12 weeks—likely the season, due to an injured left wrist. Looks like it's time for "Vinny and the Jets." :o

I hope Garcia's bulging disc doesn't get worse. :(

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by PoAnTimRSexi
They're dropping like flies. Chad Pennington is out for a minimum of 12 weeks—likely the season, due to an injured left wrist. Looks like it's time for "Vinny and the Jets." :o

OH GOD THIS IS SO AWESOME. LET'S GO DOLPHINS!

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
OH GOD THIS IS SO AWESOME. LET'S GO DOLPHINS!

LOL!! Isn't Griese injured too?? :confused:

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Jay1/2Dub
LOL!! Isn't Griese injured too?? :confused:

Yeah but so what? Fiedler starts...

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Yeah but so what? Fiedler starts...

I know, but I think Griese's a better QB, he's just injury prone, ironically he's injured right now :)

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Jay1/2Dub
I know, but I think Griese's a better QB, he's just injury prone, ironically he's injured right now :)

Actually when Fiedler's not injured he's really good. He had a 5-1 start last year before he got injured and like 2-3 after.

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Actually when Fiedler's not injured he's really good. He had a 5-1 start last year before he got injured and like 2-3 after.

You guys are all defense, and Ricky :p :)

[Illchill]

I have Ricky:)I had Fieldwer but traded him and David Patten for David Boston....

[WEB OF SPIDEY]

Originally posted by Calvin
Why does soccer suck so much?
It doesn't suck it's the biggest sport in the world and it's real name is Football.

[danger]

i like to play soccer, but the only soccer i watch is the world cup.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Mark Texiera!

hell no the Rangers can hit but there pitching sucks ass.

[The Kingpin]

How about the Panthers? They goin to the playoffs this year no dought

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by The Kingpin
How about the Panthers? They goin to the playoffs this year no dought

hm, mabye If there starting QB does a good job, then theyll get in with that defence of their's

[Illchill]

Why do you guys care?The Pats are takin it all.

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by Illchill
Why do you guys care?The Pats are takin it all.

You sir, are incorrect :)

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Jay1/2Dub
You sir, are incorrect :)

YOU sir, are incorrect.

[kypade]

Originally posted by Illchill
Why do you guys care?The Pats are takin it all. are we talking about whos gonna win the SB? if so, Buc's repeat. :D

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by The Kingpin
How about the Panthers? They goin to the playoffs this year no dought

A stout defense and Stephen Davis; may be

And I thought you were a Falcoons fan KP! :mad: ;) :D

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by kypade
are we talking about whos gonna win the SB? if so, Buc's repeat. :D

My son's choice is a possibility :)

[The Green Goblin]

Who you guys picking to play for the BCS National Championship?

Oklahoma vs Auburn ;)

[Assassin32]

Originally posted by Illchill
The Pats are takin it all.

THE PATRIOTS!!! THOSE FUMBLING BASTARDS WILL BURN IN HELL!!!:mad::mad: :mad:

[MC-117]

I know its a month before hockey season even starts but who do u guys got to win the cup? The leafs are going all the way this year!!!:D ...hopefully

[thanos27]

yankees all the way

[stevey L]

i see auburn v. virginia tech national championship...
and the yankees winnin the world series

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by stevey L
i see auburn v. virginia tech national championship...



Good call. Va Tech's got the schedule to do it. I picked Auburn from the heart, but they got a murderous schedule, and would more than likely have to play Georgia or Tennessee again (twice) in the SEC Championship.

Oklahoma vs Va Tech probably more realistic

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by wareagle
Good call. Va Tech's got the schedule to do it. I picked Auburn from the heart, but they got a murderous schedule, and would more than likely have to play Georgia or Tennessee again (twice) in the SEC Championship.

Oklahoma vs Va Tech probably more realistic


Oklahoma and Miami. Do not count out the Canes'!

[The Green Goblin]

LOL, that's true. THey lose one little National Title game (with a questionable pass interference call ;)) and everyone is quick to forget 'em.

THey are breaking in a new QB and play Va Tech at Blacksburg I think. The winner of that game has a good shot at the BCS title game, if not the inside track.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Jay1/2Dub
You guys are all defense, and Ricky :p :)

First off: You can win a super bowl with a great D and crappy offense. Take the Ravens or TAMPA BAY for instance.
Second: Ricky isn't the whole offense. We lost a game where he ran for 220 yards and won a games where he ran for under 100. It's true he's awesome and we give him the ball a lot though :)

[Soundwave]

I like the Dolphins and Bucs in the Super Bowl.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Soundwave
I like the Dolphins and Bucs in the Super Bowl.

Just as long as the Dolphins are in it

[Jay1/2Dub]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
First off: You can win a super bowl with a great D and crappy offense. Take the Ravens or TAMPA BAY for instance.
Second: Ricky isn't the whole offense. We lost a game where he ran for 220 yards and won a games where he ran for under 100. It's true he's awesome and we give him the ball a lot though :)

You speak the truth :( :)

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Nice 8th inning implosion, Cubs. **** ****ing pisses me off. Wood pitches 7 flawless inning, around 115 pitches, Baker sits him. Guthrie, Farnsworth, Alfonseca, Remlinger—all get shallacked, Cubs lose 4-2. Now they're gonna be a game and a half back in the N.L. Central. ****ing aggrivating. Not only that, but my other team(The Phillies), lose again in a high-scoring game to the ****ing Montreal Expos. I'm going to go slit my wrist with pizza cutter.

[Octavias]

With the pirates sending Giles to the Padres, my Baseball season is DOA, I am going to root for the Pens to lose every game to get the top pick in the draft, so Hockey is going to be Blah this year, and Pittsburgh doesnt have an NBA team, so it looks like PITT And the STEELERS are my only hopes

[Octavias]

BTW Somebody please tell me why the pirates gave all those players to the cubs this season. They are a DIVISIONAL TEAM freaken dump salary to AL TEAMS stupids

[Illchill]

The Sox just 4 games out of 1st, and like .5 game out of wildcard with great come from behind win.

[Illchill]

Originally posted by Octavias
With the pirates sending Giles to the Padres, my Baseball season is DOA, I am going to root for the Pens to lose every game to get the top pick in the draft, so Hockey is going to be Blah this year, and Pittsburgh doesnt have an NBA team, so it looks like PITT And the STEELERS are my only hopes

If I were an NL team, I'd be watchin out for the Padres next year.

[Octavias]

Red Sox are my favorite AL team, if for no better reason than I REALLY want to see them tromp the Yanks on their way to a world series win sometime in this life

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by Octavias
BTW Somebody please tell me why the pirates gave all those players to the cubs this season. They are a DIVISIONAL TEAM freaken dump salary to AL TEAMS stupids

Because the Pirates are not interested in winning games. As long as they make money at the end of the year they're happy. If you ask me what the single biggest problem in baseball, it's these small market teams who refuse to compete. It's been proven that you can win in a small market if you scout well and you try to win. It has to be depressing as a fan to know that your team will never contend for a title because they keep trading away the good players that they develop.

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by Illchill
If I were an NL team, I'd be watchin out for the Padres next year.


Yeah with Loretta, Nevin, Klesko, Burroughs, Giles and possibly Kendall next year they will have no problem scoring runs. If their young pitching ever develops watch out.

[stevey L]

EH, Oklahoma?, i actually see Kansas state as being a better team, THey have that great Half back, and their QB ell Robertson? WILL be in the heisman top 5 this year.

why u may ask? Oklahoma was num 1 last year also preseason, and they failed. Both their quarterbacks are average. Do they still have that running back, or was he in the draft? THye need more offensive playmakers to get to the championship. Although their defense is very good.

[akut401]

If I see Notre Dame in a big bowl game this year, id be the happiest guy on earth....

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by stevey L
EH, Oklahoma?, i actually see Kansas state as being a better team, THey have that great Half back, and their QB ell Robertson? WILL be in the heisman top 5 this year.

why u may ask? Oklahoma was num 1 last year also preseason, and they failed. Both their quarterbacks are average. Do they still have that running back, or was he in the draft? THye need more offensive playmakers to get to the championship. Although their defense is very good.

One word concerning Oklahoma... DEFENSE,

Teams can win with an average QB and conservative offense if they have a smothering defense, (see Ohio State) barring injuries and a good turnover ratio.

Course this could be the year they finally beat OK State, but
lose to Texas.

I'm not sure we'll see 2 undefeated teams in the Championship this year...

[stevey L]

but oklahoma's offense isn't even average...ohio state, had clarrett, gamble, and krenzle

[USMC]

Arrrghh! I read just to posts in this thread and already I'm falling asleep...

And don't flame me, people, I can come in here and complain if I want!:mad:

:p

[Brodie Bruce]

I still think the brewers cn atake the series this year

[Octavias]

Originally posted by Soundwave
Because the Pirates are not interested in winning games. As long as they make money at the end of the year they're happy. If you ask me what the single biggest problem in baseball, it's these small market teams who refuse to compete. It's been proven that you can win in a small market if you scout well and you try to win. It has to be depressing as a fan to know that your team will never contend for a title because they keep trading away the good players that they develop.

That is the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever read.
Let me debunk this all too widespread myth about Baseball

1. Because the Pirates are not interested in winning games. As long as they make money at the end of the year they're happy. The pirates lost 30 million over the last three years.


2.If you ask me what the single biggest problem in baseball, it's these small market teams who refuse to compete.
This is the single biggest lie in sports. Baseball's rules are set up to favor the "have" teams. Baseball has laws that all but ensure you have to have money to keep stars. You cannot give contracts you don't have the money to back up, and you can't market to build fan base without stars.

3 It's been proven that you can win in a small market if you scout well and you try to win.

Really, then how come the yankees and braves are top teams every year while teams like the angels or a's can only win once or twice a decade.
Here is the trick, having a load of cash to throw at players isn't a sure fire way to get a winner, but it does guarentee one thing, when you find the good players, you can keep them. The Pirates couldn't afford to keep the Giles, Bonds, or any of the other dozens of players who were either left go or traded away.
PS....If you did not know, a baseball team is forbidden to be in debt 60% of its net worth, meaning a small market team CANNOT spend a fortune to keep it's FA or attract others

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by stevey L
but oklahoma's offense isn't even average...ohio state, had clarrett, gamble, and krenzle

OK, look up 1992 Alabama, 1986 Penn State, last year Tampa Bay and Baltimore Ravens 2 years before that.

My point was DEFENSE wins championships.

And Krenzle is a winner , but no NFL type QB. (IMO)

[stevey L]

woah, i didn't say that a team cant win championships based on defense only. I'm saying there are plenty of other teams with great defenses and Great offenses as well.

Oklahoma couldn't pull it of last year, i dont see them pulling it off this year.

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by Octavias
That is the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever read.
Let me debunk this all too widespread myth about Baseball

1. Because the Pirates are not interested in winning games. As long as they make money at the end of the year they're happy. The pirates lost 30 million over the last three years.


2.If you ask me what the single biggest problem in baseball, it's these small market teams who refuse to compete.
This is the single biggest lie in sports. Baseball's rules are set up to favor the "have" teams. Baseball has laws that all but ensure you have to have money to keep stars. You cannot give contracts you don't have the money to back up, and you can't market to build fan base without stars.

3 It's been proven that you can win in a small market if you scout well and you try to win.

Really, then how come the yankees and braves are top teams every year while teams like the angels or a's can only win once or twice a decade.
Here is the trick, having a load of cash to throw at players isn't a sure fire way to get a winner, but it does guarentee one thing, when you find the good players, you can keep them. The Pirates couldn't afford to keep the Giles, Bonds, or any of the other dozens of players who were either left go or traded away.
PS....If you did not know, a baseball team is forbidden to be in debt 60% of its net worth, meaning a small market team CANNOT spend a fortune to keep it's FA or attract others




Well them explain to me how these so-called small-market teams like the Reds and the Pirates hijack the fans by telling them the only way they can compete is to get a new stadium. Then after they get their new stadium and their teams still suck they tell their fans that they can't afford to keep their stars and they trade them all away.

Oakland has been in the playoffs each of the last three years and are on their way again this year. Oakland has a great scouting and develop talent well. Cleveland was considered small market until they built their new stadium. Then they were able to spend more money and make their team better. eattle doesn't spend a whole lot of money but they are in contention every year. The Braves and Yanks do throw a lot of money around, but they are also very smart with how they spend it. Here in Texas, we had a team with a 100 million dollar payroll and we're stuck in last place.

Reds and Pirates get brand new state of the art stadiums and they still lose all that money. Maybe those owners should think about the way they do business.

[Soundwave]

Originally posted by stevey L
woah, i didn't say that a team cant win championships based on defense only. I'm saying there are plenty of other teams with great defenses and Great offenses as well.

Oklahoma couldn't pull it of last year, i dont see them pulling it off this year.



If K-State is gonna win a championship their defense better make a better showing than they did against Cal the other day.

I agree that K-State will give Oklahoma problems because of Ell Roberson. OU is vulnerable to qb's who can move in and out of the pocket. (see Texas A&M and Okla St. games from last year)

[Illchill]

Since I get SI magazine weekly, a will, starting today, tell you some of the main issues they focus on and let you guyz debate on that.But don't stop debating aboiut other sport topics.A will also do the amazing stat things that are in the magazine.The reason for this is I just got mine now, and it is the NFL Preview one, the best one that comes out of the year.

[Illchill]

-78 Consecutive batters retired or groundouts or infield putouts by Brandon Webb, a streak that ended Sunday when a hitter was retired on a fly ball to the outfield for the first time since August 3rd:eek:

-303,621 Dominos toppled by Ma Lihua, 24 in an ehibition in Singapore, breaking the 19 year old world record; Ma put in 7 weeks of 13 hr days arranging the dominoes, which took minutes to fall.
:eek:x2

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by stevey L
woah, i didn't say that a team cant win championships based on defense only. I'm saying there are plenty of other teams with great defenses and Great offenses as well.

Oklahoma couldn't pull it of last year, i dont see them pulling it off this year.

I'm just ready to get it on!

Southern Cal at Auburn, 6:00 pm EST onnn CBS :D

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Soundwave

. OU is vulnerable to qb's who can move in and out of the pocket. (see Texas A&M and Okla St. games from last year)

Good point...

[stevey L]

ye...auburn is out of it....ummmmm......vtech vs. ummmmm....either (miami, pittburgh, ohio st., Kansas st.)

[Soundwave]

yeah nice showing Auburn! the only way they can get a BCS bowl now is to win the SEC championship game(if they make it there!)

USC looked pretty damn impressive. especially on defense.

[The Green Goblin]

Southern Cal has an NFL caliber defense and really exposed Auburn's weakness at QB.

Ohio State looked pretty dang good too.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Originally posted by Illchill
-78 Consecutive batters retired or groundouts or infield putouts by Brandon Webb, a streak that ended Sunday when a hitter was retired on a fly ball to the outfield for the first time since August 3rd:eek:



To bad he had no offensive support that game:mad:

[Illchill]

I am sorry for not posting lately, I was kinda busy.I don't have my SI issue with me now, it is in my car, but I know the AFC East was predicted as being:

1.Bills
2.Patriots
3.Dolphins
4.Jets

[stevey L]

Ye everybody was picking jets Last in their division, even befORE pennington was hurt...why aren't the pat's last?

[PoAnTimRSexi]

Originally posted by stevey L
Ye everybody was picking jets Last in their division, even befORE pennington was hurt...why aren't the pat's last?

One of the top defenses in the AFC.

[TheCheshireCat]

the pats had the 23rd worst defense yard/per game wise last season. :)

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
I am sorry for not posting lately, I was kinda busy.I don't have my SI issue with me now, it is in my car, but I know the AFC East was predicted as being:

1.Bills
2.Patriots
3.Dolphins
4.Jets

BS! The Dolphins are going to the ship! They've got the second best odds to go to the SB and what could prove to be the best D this year.

My prediction would be:
1. Phins
2. Bills
3. Pats
4. Jets(only because of Chad, otherwise I'd say second)

[MC-117]

Any Canadians got picks for the CFL?

[Illchill]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
the pats had the 23rd worst defense yard/per game wise last season. :)

Did they have Ted Washington or Rodney Harrison or Rosovelt Clovin.Nope.As am matter of fact, they have ALL those guys this year, though they let go off MIlloy:mad: :mad:

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
Did they have Ted Washington or Rodney Harrison or Rosovelt Clovin.Nope.As am matter of fact, they have ALL those guys this year, though they let go off MIlloy:mad: :mad:

Dolphins will still PWN them :)

[The Kingpin]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
BS! The Dolphins are going to the ship! They've got the second best odds to go to the SB and what could prove to be the best D this year.

My prediction would be:
1. Phins
2. Bills
3. Pats
4. Jets(only because of Chad, otherwise I'd say second)


nnnnnnnope


1.Tampa
2.Fins
3.Carolina (yes i mean the Panthers)
4.Pats

[stevey L]

Umm king, they talkin bout AFC east.....1)bills 2)dolphins 3)Jets 4) pats........bills, huge offense, great qb, rb, wr, and defense greatly improved

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by The Kingpin
nnnnnnnope


1.Tampa
2.Fins
3.Carolina (yes i mean the Panthers)
4.Pats

Assuming wewere talking about the whole NFL instead of being stupid:

I doubt Tampa will win, and while Carolina has an awesome D they still lack the offense needed. The Pats have no chance from where I'm sitting. I doubt they'll make playoffs but I could be wrong.

[Illchill]

I am just curious why no one thinks the Pats have what it takes?

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
I am just curious why no one thinks the Pats have what it takes?

Granted: they're good. I just wouldn't bet any money on them, especially when they'd have to beat the Dolphins, the Eagles, the Raiders/Broncos, and the Steelers to get there. They did it before, but I wouldn't bet on it again. :)

[The Green Goblin]

THe Bills are going to be better, even thought they lost Peerless Price, they added LB Takeao Spikes. But if Fiedler stays healthy, I wouldn't count the Dophins out. In fact, they would be my pick to win the division. But I have to take points off of Buffalo for those God-awful uniforms. ;)

Speaking of which, did anyone see the HORRIBLE **** Oregon, came out in? Sheesh. THere should be a law. :rolleyes:

[The Green Goblin]

Last chance to sign up for the NFL picks contest...

GO here:

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[eat aliens]

Originally posted by Illchill
I am just curious why no one thinks the Pats have what it takes?

Ah, that's nothing new. No one ever gives the Pats the credit they deserve, even after they won the superbowl. Our defense looks likes it going to be a force again, and Brady has looked very sharp this preseason. I expect them to win 9-12 games and the AFC East...although Lawyer Milloy leaving has me a bit worried...:(

[Illchill]

Originally posted by dragonball
Ah, that's nothing new. No one ever gives the Pats the credit they deserve, even after they won the superbowl. Our defense looks likes it going to be a force again, and Brady has looked very sharp this preseason. I expect them to win 9-12 games and the AFC East...although Lawyer Milloy leaving has me a bit worried...:(

Well we are at a new stage in the AFC East where nothing short of 12 games will get you a divison title.I agree with Milloy obviously.He wasn't THE best, but in the top 3 of NFL strong safties.Harrison is able to take his place should he be in tip-top health, where he can be dominating.However, there are 2 safety spots, not just one.I suggest they put in Harris, only because he was involved in the play in Pittsburgh in the AFC title game with the blocked FG and touchdown return:DIf Fielder isn't healthy, I give the Bills the edge over the Dolphins.Maybe the ONLY reason i give the Pats over the Bills is because Bledsoe can't do crap against us.

[stevey L]

dragonball: "No one ever gives the Pats the credit they deserve, even after they won the superbowl."

The pats probably didn't get any credit, cecause the next year, if u remember, they didn't even make the playoffs. That's a big fat reason why they didn't get any credit.

[Illchill]

Dood, they were down by like a game...Besides, they won their "clincher", it was jst that the Jets beat the Cheese.That Pats-Fins game was unbelivable....

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Illchill

:DIf Fielder isn't healthy, I give the Bills the edge over the Dolphins
.

What time of year do the Dolphins travel to Buffalo this season?

[Illchill]

Week Date Time Opponent Score W/L/T Stories
1 Sun. Sep. 7 1:00 p.m. ET Patriots - - Preview | Matchup
2 Sun. Sep. 14 1:00 p.m. ET at Jaguars - - Matchup
3 Sun. Sep. 21 8:30 p.m. ET at Dolphins - - Matchup
4 Sun. Sep. 28 1:00 p.m. ET Eagles - - Matchup
5 Sun. Oct. 5 1:00 p.m. ET Bengals - - Matchup
6 Sun. Oct. 12 4:15 p.m. ET at Jets - - Matchup
7 Sun. Oct. 19 1:00 p.m. ET Redskins - - Matchup
8 Sun. Oct. 26 8:30 p.m. ET at Chiefs - - Matchup
9 BYE WEEK
10 Sun. Nov. 9 4:15 p.m. ET at Cowboys - - Matchup
11 Sun. Nov. 16 1:00 p.m. ET Texans - - Matchup
12 Sun. Nov. 23 1:00 p.m. ET Colts - - Matchup
13 Sun. Nov. 30 1:00 p.m. ET at Giants - - Matchup
14 Sun. Dec. 7 4:15 p.m. ET Jets - - Matchup
15 Sun. Dec. 14 1:00 p.m. ET at Titans - - Matchup
16 Sun. Dec. 21 1:00 p.m. ET Dolphins - - Matchup
17 Sat. Dec. 27 1:30 p.m. ET at Patriots - - Matchup

[Illchill]

I know what ur gettin at.

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by dragonball
Ah, that's nothing new. No one ever gives the Pats the credit they deserve, even after they won the superbowl. Our defense looks likes it going to be a force again, and Brady has looked very sharp this preseason. I expect them to win 9-12 games and the AFC East...although Lawyer Milloy leaving has me a bit worried...:(

9-12 games? Who the hell are they going to beat?

They didn't get credit because they didn't hit the playoffs the next year. You're talking out of your ass. I hate the Bills and the Jets but I'd bet good money the Bills will finish higher than the pats and the Jets DEFINITALLY would if Chad wasn't hurt.

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Illchill
I know what ur gettin at.

You mean that late December visit to Buffalo from Miami? ;) Yep, could be crucial. Think the NFL does that on "porpoise"? ;)

Ooo, I'm sorry , that really was a bad one. :D

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by wareagle
You mean that late December visit to Buffalo from Miami? ;) Yep, could be crucial. Think the NFL does that on "porpoise"? ;)

Ooo, I'm sorry , that really was a bad one. :D

Actually I think we could've won that game last year. Had Fiedler been healthy I mean. Ricky did rush for 200 something ;)

[The Kingpin]

Originally posted by stevey L
Umm king, they talkin bout AFC east.....1)bills 2)dolphins 3)Jets 4) pats........bills, huge offense, great qb, rb, wr, and defense greatly improved

Oh my bad

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by wareagle
You mean that late December visit to Buffalo from Miami? ;) Yep, could be crucial. Think the NFL does that on "porpoise"? ;)

Ooo, I'm sorry , that really was a bad one. :D

Bah! At least our backup QB has more than 5 career TD's ;)

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by TheCheshireCat
Bah! At least our backup QB has more than 5 career TD's ;)

Ouch ... :batman:

LOL, I agree with ya about Fielder and I hope he has an all-pro year. He's my starter with Vick down. ;) Go Dolphins! :D

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by wareagle
Ouch ... :batman:

LOL, I agree with ya about Fielder and I hope he has an all-pro year. He's my starter with Vick down. ;) Go Dolphins! :D

Amen! Hopefully he'll keep up the pace he did at the begining of last season.

[stevey L]

Fiedler healthy? the irony.....brian griese solid at qb? the irony... Ricky williams best running back in the nfl? perhaps...dolphins will be good and probably make the playoffs, wit the wildcard

[Illchill]

NFC East Projected
1 Eagles 11-5
2 Giants* 10-6
3 Cowboys 5-11
4 Redskins 5-11

NFC North
1 Packers 10-6
2 Vikings 6-10
3 Bears 6-10
4 Lions 5-11

NFC South
1 Buccaneers 12-4
2 Falcons 9-7
3 Saints 8-8
4 Panthers 7-9

NFC West
1 Rams 11-5
2 49ers* 9-7
3 Seahawks 8-8
4 Cardinals 4-12

AFC East Projected
1 Bills 10-6
2 Patriots* 10-6
3 Dolphins 9-7
4 Jets 7-9

AFC North
1 Steelers 10-6
2 Browns 7-9
3 Ravens 7-9
4 Bengals 5-11

AFC South
1 Titans 10-6
2 Colts 9-7
3 Jaguars 6-10
4 Texans 4-12

AFC West
1 Chiefs 10-6
2 Raiders* 9-7
3 Broncos 9-7
4 Chargers 8-8


Wild-Card Playoffs
N
F
C Rams over 49ers A
F
C Chiefs over Raiders
Giants over Packers Patriots over Bills

Divisional Playoffs
N
F
C Buccaneers over Giants A
F
C Chiefs over Titans
Eagles over Rams Steelers over Patriots

Championship Games
NFC: Bucs over Eagles AFC: Chiefs over Steelers

Super Bowl XXXVIII
Buccaneers 27, Chiefs 20




How Dr. Z Ranks 'em
1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 17 San Diego Chargers
2 Philadelphia Eagles 18 New York Jets
3 Tennessee Titans 19 New Orleans Saints
4 St. Louis Rams 20 Cleveland Browns
5 Green Bay Packers 21 Baltimore Ravens
6 Pittsburgh Steelers 22 Seattle Seahawks
7 Kansas City Chiefs 23 Carolina Panthers
8 Buffalo Bills 24 Minnesota Vikings
9 Oakland Raiders 25 Jacksonville Jaguars
10 New England Patriots 26 Chicago Bears
11 New York Giants 27 Dallas Cowboys
12 Miami Dolphins 28 Washington Redskins
13 San Francisco 49ers 29 Detroit Lions
14 Indianapolis Colts 30 Cincinnati Bengals
15 Atlanta Falcons 31 Houston Texans
16 Denver Broncos 32 Arizona Cardinals

[Illchill]

Ok, guys, real quick, who wins tonite?

[The Green Goblin]

Jets

[Illchill]

Becasue....

[Illchill]

Also, who'll give the msot entertaining perfomance as a player and for the pre-game music?

[The Kingpin]

Skins

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Illchill
Becasue....

I dunno. Just a gut feeling. If Pennington was playing there would be no doubt. i'm just not sold on Spurrier at the NFL level.

[Illchill]

I wanna see how Martin does, hopefuly bad.GO PATS!

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by stevey L
Fiedler healthy? the irony.....brian griese solid at qb? the irony... Ricky williams best running back in the nfl? perhaps...dolphins will be good and probably make the playoffs, wit the wildcard

What? Griese doesn't start? Ricky r0x0rZ. I must admit though: without injury Priest Holmes could have and probably would've beat him. I think Fins will make the playoffs without the wildcard. Buffalo is good, but can they face Fiedler and our D when healthy? Doubtful. The Pats could pose a problem, but I guess we'll see :)

[TheCheshireCat]

Originally posted by Illchill
I wanna see how Martin does, hopefuly bad.GO PATS!

NO! Him and Moss need to do REALLY WELL! Damn Fantasy football has me cheering for Jets players :mad:

[Illchill]

Yea, that is the one thing I hate about fantasy football.

[TheCheshireCat]

I'm in like 8 leagues, so I'm rooting for a lot of people I really hate :(