Official Wonder Woman Casting Suggestions [merged-13]

[Kebab gud]

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/breo_saighead/cobie3.jpg

that's Diana right there...

[terry78]

I'd just go with Monica Dean to end the whole debate. She looks close enough, she's got acting experience, I'm sure her ass would jump at the chance. Joss needs to just lay down the law and end it.

[spark627]

monica dean and the chick from 'how i met your mother' are both good choices.

i feel like there is more going on with WW then we know, perhaps it is all being kept hush-hush to keep fans in suspense.

[dnno1]

Me too.

[Speedball]

that's Diana right there...
yep.
She's perrfect.
I love her on How I met your Mother.

[Brainiac 2009]

Cobie Smulders makes a decent lesbian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvMBRYRu9BQ

She doesnt photograph well but looks decent on tv with makeup and whatnot.

Voice/acting-wise she just doesnt have that exotic appeal that WW needs but I guess she'd be decent.

Morena just oozes the sexiness a hell of alot more.

[spark627]

I actually think Blythe Metz would be a great WW, check her myspace page. She sent the video to the producers of the film.

http://www.myspace.com/wonderwoman2007

[Paganus]

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/4321/4321.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Wonder-Woman-Hunts-Vampires-4321.html

I find it interesting that they've actually met with someone now. Jill isn't a bad choice either—not bad at all, imo. She's tall and athletic, and she looks at home in an action role. She is also gorgeous, and she generally has about the right look for WW, or one that's close enough anyway.

In any case, I hope this is a sign that things are moving along and something will be settled on soon. It's about time; this project has been in limbo long enough.

[Dude_Love]

Evangeline Lilly, Personally I think she's perfect

[raybia]

Still holding out for Monica Dean.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/Monica%20Dean/df.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/Monica%20Dean/s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/Justice_League/WonderWomanV2.jpg


Thats Wonder Woman. :wow:

[Brainiac 2009]

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/4321/4321.jpg
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Wonder-Woman-Hunts-Vampires-4321.html

I find it interesting that they've actually met with someone now. Jill isn't a bad choice either—not bad at all, imo. She's tall and athletic, and she looks at home in an action role. She is also gorgeous, and she generally has about the right look for WW, or one that's close enough anyway.

In any case, I hope this is a sign that things are moving along and something will be settled on soon. It's about time; this project has been in limbo long enough.


I dont like her hugeass chin.

[Paganus]

I dont like her hugeass chin.

Meh, her chin isn't "hugeass," and I don't see this as a beauty contest anyway; it's casting for an action role. I'm sure the actress they pick will be pretty enough, despite the fact that people on Internet forums—each with his or her own very subjective ideas about what the right look is—like to nitpick every contender to death.

http://images.zap2it.com/20060111/pchoice06/035_jillwagner_peopleschoice06.jpg

[Majik1387]

I'll give Jill a chance, even though she annoyed me on the Blade series.

[Brainiac 2009]

Meh, her chin isn't "hugeass," and I don't see this as a beauty contest anyway; it's casting for an action role. I'm sure the actress they pick will be pretty enough, despite the fact that people on Internet forums—each with his or her own very subjective ideas about what the right look is—like to nitpick every contender to death.


Shes gotta look as good as Lynda Carter, this one doesnt even compare.

And yea, her chin is quite distracting.

For female casting, it usually is a beauty contest... dont kill the messenger but thats usually how it is.

[raybia]

Jennifer Connelly as WW? People must be smoking crack.

[batboy99]

why?she would be a perfect ww shes just a bit old now

[raybia]

why?she would be a perfect ww shes just a bit old now

That is what I meant. Too old, too established. I should be a fresh face just like BB and SR did.

[Paganus]

Shes gotta look as good as Lynda Carter, this one doesnt even compare. Again, thanks for giving your opinion. I beg to differ though.

And yea, her chin is quite distracting.Nah, just more nitpicking if you ask me. (I'm sure your favorite can be nitpicked too, and probably has been.)

For female casting, it usually is a beauty contest... dont kill the messenger but thats usually how it is. This is an action role first and foremost; not a beauty contest. If she isn't convincing as a formidable character this movie isn't going anywhere—period. That's how it really is. Thus it's probably better to spend a little less time nitpicking about chins, noses, mouths, etc., and maybe spend a little more time on what it will take to actually fill the role. The actress will be gorgeous enough—this is Hollywood we're talking about, after all.

[Rorschach2012]

jennifer connely

[Brainiac 2009]

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[Hunter Rider]

Still holding out for Monica Dean.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/Monica%20Dean/df.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/Monica%20Dean/s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/Justice_League/WonderWomanV2.jpg

I'd give it to Bush......the role that is ppl the role:cmad::cwink:

[ShadowBoxing]

Monica Dean and Sophia Bush (despite the huge lack of acting skills) are both good "looks" choices.

[ShadowBoxing]

So this is just another log to add to the rumor mill but: Smulders open to Wonder Woman (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=39730)

But even though it's just another faceless rumor, I wouldn't be dissapointed if she actually got the part. She definately has the face for it, I've seen her in "How I Met Your Mother" and thought she had a lot of screen presence. And her Wikipedia lists her as 5' 9" (though I'm not really sure if that's accurate).

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/breo_saighead/cobie1.jpg
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/breo_saighead/cobie2.jpg
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/breo_saighead/cobie3.jpg
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/breo_saighead/cobie4.jpg
She's cute...her body needs a ton of training...definitely needs to tone up.

[Lucid]

http://www.monicadean.ro/resize.php?file=upload/r41_IMG_7273.jpg&max=600

There's still a ton of people who haven't warmed up to Brandon Routh.
That's because he looks nothing like Superman, lacks Superman's presence, and has no business playing Superman, just as Jill Wagner and Sophia Bush have no business playing Wonder Woman.

Monica Dean is a good choice, but probably too good a choice for WB to actually cast her. She's too mature, intelligent, and noble looking--of course perfect for Wonder Woman--but they're apparently going for another bubble gum teenybopper actor, like Kate Bosworth. Cobie Smulders is decent, but Brainiac 2009 said that she lacks exoticism--that observation nails it. She's kind of a safe (some might say boring) choice, which wouldn't necessarily be bad--I'd rather have a safe choice who actually looks like Wonder Woman than a Brandon Routh equivalent--but I'm sure there are better choices out there.

WB and Whedon need to find the Christopher Reeve equivalent for this Wonder Woman film. Anything less would be disappointing.

[Brainiac 2009]

So if you thought Brandon Routh was a miscast;

Who would you have cast as Superman next to Monica Dean's Wonder Woman?

[sepharih]

So if you thought Brandon Routh was a miscast;

Who would you have cast as Superman next to Monica Dean's Wonder Woman?

Not directed at me, but since I’m on the Monica Dean boat as well I’ll reply.

I would cast a completely unknown actor, just not Brandon Routh.

[SufferingSappho]

Sepharih, at you request I moved this form the Justice League Casting thread to this one so we can continue the discussion.

You are welcome for the illustrations. I'd like to make a few comments as well.
In terms of looks I think we can agree to disagree for the most part since we’re clearly aiming for vastly different ways of illustrating the character. I agree to disagree. :yay:

To be clear, I haven’t seen her in Stargate SG-1 so I can’t comment on that. As I said, all of these mannerisms she displays come across as extremely girlish and even naïve though. I always thought that was her fundamental character flaw. In truth, she’s really just a lost lonely girl in the galaxy, and she’s too proud to admit it to herself or Mal.
Also, while I agree that, as Inara, she possessed a certain elegance that you would expect to see in a woman of high standing, I also think she lacks the one underlying characteristic that Wonder Woman must posses above all else; strength.
I simply cannot suspend my disbelief to believe that Morena Baccarin is strongest woman in the world. Nothing against her, but I never even once saw a faint glimmer of the kind of inner strength you might have seen in, for example, Sigourney Weaver; who’s portrayal of Ellen Ripley will never be surpassed as the most badass female hero in cinematic history.

I always thought of Diana as extremely naive she is very wise and powerful, but not worldly, not at first. And I disagree with you on the strength thing, I think Morena had a lot of inner strength as Inara.

And I simply cannot suspend my disbelief to believe that Monica Dean is strongest woman in the world. I do agree about Ripley being the most badass female hero in cinematic history.

Reeve was still very physically fit, and last time I checked there was still a healthy amount of controversy over Routh’s look as Superman. And personally I’ll take the extremely well built Christian Bale over the scrawny little Michael Keaton anyday.
I’m willing to compromise, but the lady they get should still ideally have the genetics to put on some pretty noticeable muscle definition.

Reeve was very skinny before he playd Superman as was Tobey Maguire before Spider-Man, Sigourney Weaver before Ripley and look at Linda Hamilton in Terminator and then look at her Terminator 2, I'm not saying that Baccarin can look like Hamilton in T2 (I do not want her to), but she can get enough noticeable muscle definition to play Wonder Woman.

Here is the episode of Stargate SG1 on youtube, she plays the evil princess Adria. She's in the first 5 minutes of part 1, and in a good amount of 3, 4 and 5, but she's not in part 2.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqROYmZVzLA
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UjDZS2Ac2o
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyuot...elated&search=
Part 4;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRRR...elated&search=
Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSKyo...elated&search=


Enjoy!

[Paganus]

Just adding my two cents...

Reeve was lanky but had a large frame at 6'4". They wouldn't have cast him if they didn't think he could meet the physical expectations for the role, and sure enough he did. Moreover, it's much easier on average for men to bulk up, and you can safely expect that most—though not all—men will be able to do it in the allotted time. Not so with women in general. You really do need to consider that when casting for a role like this, too. A woman who is frail, unathletic, devoid of muscle tone, and lacking shoulders isn't going to be able to change enough in that relatively short time frame. That's just a fact of nature. No, she doesn't have to be a fitness buff or athlete (though it would be nice), but she'd better at least have the right body type to begin with.

I'll also add that it's about more than just matching a particular depiction of Wonder Woman. It's about having the kind of physical presence appropriate for an outwardly strong character, one that looks natural and convincing to people.

[Lucid]

So if you thought Brandon Routh was a miscast;

Who would you have cast as Superman next to Monica Dean's Wonder Woman?
I'm not saying that if I were making the film, I'd cast Monica Dean, I'm just saying that, from what I've seen of her, she seems like a good choice. I really don't care who's cast, as long as they're perfect for the role. Roles like Wonder Woman and Superman deserve the perfect actors to play them because the characters are so beloved. Anything less than perfect is unacceptable.

I don't want to get into the whole Superman thing again. Brandon Routh isn't the perfect Superman and therefore he's unacceptable to me.

[batboy99]

no ones perfect :p

[StorminNorman]

Lauren Cohen is :) http://www.laurencohan.com/images/photos/lc_general_2.jpg

[Brainiac 2009]

After seeing Van Wilder II, she'd make a nice stripper.

Thats about it.

[Brainiac 2009]

I'm not saying that if I were making the film, I'd cast Monica Dean, I'm just saying that, from what I've seen of her, she seems like a good choice. I really don't care who's cast, as long as they're perfect for the role. Roles like Wonder Woman and Superman deserve the perfect actors to play them because the characters are so beloved. Anything less than perfect is unacceptable.

I don't want to get into the whole Superman thing again. Brandon Routh isn't the perfect Superman and therefore he's unacceptable to me.

Well he isnt your perfect Superman but the \S/ and Wonder Woman characters have been represented and interpreted in so many different ways visually, its really a matter of preference and opinion when defining this 'perfection'...

But you still evaded the question of who you'd cast as Superman next to Monica Dean's Wonder Woman?

[Lucid]

But you still evaded the question of who you'd cast as Superman next to Monica Dean's Wonder Woman?

Yes I did :) ;)

[SufferingSappho]

Reeve was lanky but had a large frame at 6'4". They wouldn't have cast him if they didn't think he could meet the physical expectations for the role, and sure enough he did. Moreover, it's much easier on average for men to bulk up, and you can safely expect that most—though not all—men will be able to do it in the allotted time. Not so with women in general. You really do need to consider that when casting for a role like this, too. A woman who is frail, unathletic, devoid of muscle tone, and lacking shoulders isn't going to be able to change enough in that relatively short time frame. That's just a fact of nature. No, she doesn't have to be a fitness buff or athlete (though it would be nice), but she'd better at least have the right body type to begin with.

Christopher Reeve was very lanky, if you see his screen tests me looks more like Ichabod Crane then Superman he was a self-described "skinny WASP.", but he gained 30 pounds for the role and had the overall look of Superman, but he was not as buff as the character in the comic books. Reeve was a wonderful actor, he was Juilliard trained (just like Morena Baccarin), and he had the personality of the character and I think that is what made him such a great Superman. I'd personally like to see the same respect given to my favorite superheroine and I think Morena Baccarin is the woman for the job.

This doesn't looks at all like Christopher Reeve or Brandon Routh:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/72/Superman.jpg/389px-Superman.jpg
http://fratelliditalia.altervista.org/_altervista_ht/superman_returns.JPG
http://www.patfullerton.com/superman/pix/christopherreeve/christreevesup6.jpg

Morena is not devoid of muscle tone and lacking shoulders she has a very good body frame to work with and she'd be able to change her body enough to have the look of the character, not as buff as some versions in the comics (thank the goddess), but she can get pretty toned and athletic-looking for the part.

http://www.screamproductions.com/ns/qust/images/qust033.jpg
http://screamproductions.com/ns/counter/images/counter19.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/MBWW3.jpg?t=1169949021

[ShadowBoxing]

Be that as it may that Reeve or Routh may not resemble Superman, I'd hardly use a movie's failings in casting to justify the behavior elsewhere. Bale managed to carry muscle (and now wants to gain 20 more pounds for the sequel) in the pursuit of capturing the characters look. Which is part of casting. One is to find someone who can act the part: Michael Keaton would be an excellent example of someone who embodied Batman's manuerisms and personality. The other is to capture the look: and characters like Hellboy, Spider-Man, Human Torch, Batman Begins, Conan, Marv, and the Punisher have all managed to do this and it helped those films (sometimes saving them from being otherwise complete disasters). The point should not be to do one or the other, it's to do both. And while Baccarin I'm sure can act, and has some positive facial features she looks like a delicate little church girl...hardly the look I want for Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is an extremely physical character, every bit as much as the soldiers of 300 (and we have all seen how carefully Zack Snyder has taken steps to ensure the look of that film) or the gladiators of Gladiator. For this reason it is very important that this look is preserved on screen. While Morena might not be the worst choice, she certainly lacks in many areas and is not the analogue you paint her out to be.

[Brainiac 2009]

http://www.kensforce.com/sitebuilder/images/lyndawondernew6-248x330.jpg

Could still pass for a delicate church girl if necessary. But of the same vein, she was the perfect embodiment of Wonder Woman.

She doesnt have to look like some muscular 300 type to be believeable as Wonder Woman.

[SufferingSappho]

Be that as it may that Reeve or Routh may not resemble Superman, I'd hardly use a movie's failings in casting to justify the behavior elsewhere. Bale managed to carry muscle (and now wants to gain 20 more pounds for the sequel) in the pursuit of capturing the characters look. Which is part of casting. One is to find someone who can act the part: Michael Keaton would be an excellent example of someone who embodied Batman's manuerisms and personality. The other is to capture the look: and characters like Hellboy, Spider-Man, Human Torch, Batman Begins, Conan, Marv, and the Punisher have all managed to do this and it helped those films (sometimes saving them from being otherwise complete disasters). The point should not be to do one or the other, it's to do both. And while Baccarin I'm sure can act, and has some positive facial features she looks like a delicate little church girl...hardly the look I want for Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman is an extremely physical character, every bit as much as the soldiers of 300 (and we have all seen how carefully Zack Snyder has taken steps to ensure the look of that film) or the gladiators of Gladiator. For this reason it is very important that this look is preserved on screen. While Morena might not be the worst choice, she certainly lacks in many areas and is not the analogue you paint her out to be.

I did not say Reeve and Routh are failures and do not resemble Superman, I think they are both very good in the parts, I'm saying that an actor doesn't need to look 100 percent like the character in the comics to be great in the role, and no actor can look just like the characters because the characters have been drawn differently by many different artists, Wonder Woman most of all.

And as you can see Bale is far from being as big as Batman:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Batmanlee.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Batman_bale_small.jpg

Hellboy: close, but no!
http://thrillerchiller.blogspirit.com/images/medium_hellboy.jpgaaa.jpg
http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/35/11/88/hellboy_p1.jpg

Conan: I'm not seeing it.
http://associazioni.monet.modena.it/glamazonia/immagini/conan.jpg
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Arnold-Schwarzenegger---Conan-the-Barbarian-Photograph-C10102051.jpeg


My point is that *I* like Morena for the part of Wonder Woman and physical I think she can do it, but you don't have to like her or the version of the character in the comics that I like prefer, it's a matter of personal taste.

[Brainiac 2009]

Bale was wearing effin armor too, not tights like in the comics.

He looked small next to Routh at the MTV awards.

[batbat_29640]

Bale was wearing effin armor too, not tights like in the comics.

He looked small next to Routh at the MTV awards.Well ya know, Routh is 6'4 and Bale is 6'2 . . . Just like Supes is 6'4 and Bats is 6'2. What a coinkidink.

[batbat_29640]

http://www.kensforce.com/sitebuilder/images/lyndawondernew6-248x330.jpg

Could still pass for a delicate church girl if necessary. But of the same vein, she was the perfect embodiment of Wonder Woman.

She doesnt have to look like some muscular 300 type to be believeable as Wonder Woman.AMNEN!!!! AND HOW!!!!

[batbat_29640]

http://www.fotolode.com/images/batbat29640/karima5.jpg
http://www.fotolode.com/images/batbat29640/destructoidkarimaadebibe022.jpg
Has anyone mentioned heryet? Karima Adebibe

[ShadowBoxing]

And as you can see Bale is far from being as big as Batman:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Batmanlee.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Batman_bale_small.jpg

Hellboy: close, but no!
http://www.toonopedia.com/hellboy.jpg
http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/35/11/88/hellboy_p1.jpg

Conan: I'm not seeing it.
http://universmarvel.com/ftp/ludo/articles/dossier-conan/conan36.jpg
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Arnold-Schwarzenegger---Conan-the-Barbarian-Photograph-C10102051.jpeg


My point is that *I* like Morena for the part of Wonder Woman and physical I think she can do it, but you don't have to like her or the version of the character in the comics that I like prefer, it's a matter of personal taste.
Fixed it for you.

First off using non Mike Mignola Hellboy art is just deceitful...because Hellboy is his creation; not the pin-up artist from trash romance novels. Same with Conan...who at the time of the movie was being drawn by Buscema. Again deceitful.

And as you can see, pretty close. If not very close in Conan and Hellboy's case. And Batman, I actually think you did more to prove my point with that photo...which screams Batman.

And as I say, I think Morena (outside of her face...which is the only thing you draw a comparison to in those shoots) looks nothing like a Wonder Woman. I fact I wouldn't believe her for an instant with her body. It's too delicate, too girlie a frame. Despite the fact that someone like Biel is not an ideal choice, it is a choice that displays a body FAR more on point to the character (however, I wouldn't choose Biel either).

[Eddie Dean]

Bale was wearing effin armor too, not tights like in the comics.

He looked small next to Routh at the MTV awards.
Make no mistake, Bale got huge for Begins.
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1046/batmanbegins009nc2.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6956/balechristianphotochrisdq8.jpg

Routh is pretty big too, I think he could could benefit form a bit more muscle, but he's still pretty good.
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/429/535brandonshoulderbj5.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3815/supes6am4.jpg

As for Baccarin was Wonder Woman, she wouldn't be my first choice, but I wouldn't mind her. She would have to bulk up a lot, but I guess I could see it. I think she looks more like Zatanna then anything else.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7599/zatanna00eq7.jpghttp://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1619/morenabaccarinsn4.jpg

[Brainiac 2009]

I duno Eddie Dean, given the few weeks Brandon had, I think he did a great job, without using steroids.

http://www.brandonrouthweb.com/gallery/albums/makingparttwo/normal_PDVD_116.jpg

http://www.brandonrouthweb.com/gallery/albums/makingparttwo/normal_PDVD_122.jpg

http://www.brandonrouthweb.com/gallery/albums/makingparttwo/normal_PDVD_133.jpg

The dude whos training him trained Hugh Jackman for Wolverine.

They look the part together of Bruce and Clark;

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/tifflover/worldsfinestt-1.jpg

[Eddie Dean]

I never said he was bad, I just said that he could be better. The look he has in those pictures is pretty much what I want though.

[Brainiac 2009]

On the DVD him and the trainer joked right after that no one would be able to see this built in the suit anyway, because of the material used.

Bale's Bruce doesnt necessarily need a big build in this version anyways because of the armor.

[Eddie Dean]

I think Bruce having a large build is an important part of his character seeing how he spent much of his time perfecting his body, mind, etc.

It just seems natural for Clark to have a large build.

They do look perfect together as Clark and Bruce.
http://img170.echo.cx/img170/7966/batsbeginssupesreturns9fl.jpg

[Paganus]

...but he gained 30 pounds for the role and had the overall look of Superman, but he was not as buff as the character in the comic books. I think that's basically what I said. Yes, he added 30 pounds of muscle—on a 6'4" frame—and ended up looking the part; not an exact match to any one depiction of the character but the right general look and body type for the role. So we know it was a consideration, and I doubt they would have cast him if they didn't think he met (or was able to meet) the physical requirements, Juilliard trained or not.

Reeve was a wonderful actor, he was Juilliard trained (just like Morena Baccarin), and he had the personality of the character and I think that is what made him such a great Superman. I'd personally like to see the same respect given to my favorite superheroine and I think Morena Baccarin is the woman for the job. I want to see Wonder Woman respected, too; thus, I'd like someone who best approximates the personality and physical characteristics of the character. I want to see her taken seriously (a wimpy Wonder Woman won't be) and portrayed sincerely. She is supposed to be a symbol of strength, so I think an actress who is athletic—and taller—would be better. Sorry, I just don't see how Morena fits that description at all, and I know there are other fine, young actresses out there to choose from who probably do.

This doesn't looks at all like Christopher Reeve or Brandon Routh: You've missed the point. I already said it's not about exactly matching a comic book depiction of the character. However, it is about having a look that is close enough and appropriate for the type of role it is. Let me state it as plainly as I know how: We clearly have not been putting Pee Wee Herman types in the suit to play Superman. The actors have all been tall men, which also helps create a more imposing physical presence, who beefed up for the role. There's a reason it's been done that way... and the same basic rules apply here.

Morena is not devoid of muscle tone and lacking shoulders Yes, she is. Morena, though cute, is elfin looking and, despite the fact that she's fairly thin, has no muscle definition at all. She's not even close to having the right type of build for this. Maybe more pics are needed:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5527/morenab55kc.jpg

http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/20050831/12/601425168.jpg


http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/774/morena2kb.jpg

She is indeed quite dainty, and a far cry from what anyone could reasonably call "athletic" or "Amazonian." I just find it hard to believe that we can't find someone who is a better match for the role physically and also meets the other requirements.

...and she'd be able to change her body enough to have the look of the character, not as buff as some versions in the comics (thank the goddess), but she can get pretty toned and athletic-looking for the part.What versions of the comic are you talking about? When Perez rebooted the character in the 80s, a conscious decision was made (with input from others, including Gloria Steinem I think) to give her a more athletic look since that is proper for the type of character that she is. And even when Marston was doing the comic she looked athletic, considering the style of the period.

Moreover, Wonder Woman was created to be a symbol of feminine strength, so I hope you're not saying that there is something wrong with her being reasonably buff?

http://www.sequart.com/wonderwoman/wwARCHIVES2.jpg

http://dccomics.com/media/desktop_patterns/Wonder_Woman_2_800x600.jpg

If so, I find that a little ironic.

[Brainiac 2009]

And this is where your arguement falls apart;

http://www.leninimports.com/lynda_carter_gallery_18.jpg

Lynda Carter, the perfect embodiment of the character represented female strength as Wonder Woman for a whole generation.

She wasnt muscular or ripped like the exaggerated comic versions in the slightest. She probably wouldnt have had as much sex appeal if she was.

[SufferingSappho]

Fixed it for you.

First off using non Mike Mignola Hellboy art is just deceitful...because Hellboy is his creation; not the pin-up artist from trash romance novels. Same with Conan...who at the time of the movie was being drawn by Buscema. Again deceitful.
Thank you for proving my point, that picture of Hellboy looks less like Ron Perlman than the one I posted, and if we are only talking about the characters looking the way their creators intended them to look, well then Wonder Woman looks like this...
http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/5/5a/Sensation_Comics_1.jpg

And the first picture of WW - ever, her body frame looks pretty delicate and girly. She has little muscles, but she looks nothing like WW in the comic books now.
http://www.comiclink.com/img/comics/scans/RAD87A7A2006731_152644.JPG

And the original versions is only 5' 8" and 122 pounds, so that makes Morena even better for the part.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/TheGoldenAgeWW.jpg

I will give you Conan, the body that is, the face in the picture doesn't looks like Arnold. John Buscema's Conan looks Native American.

And as I say, I think Morena (outside of her face...which is the only thing you draw a comparison to in those shoots) looks nothing like a Wonder Woman. I fact I wouldn't believe her for an instant with her body. It's too delicate, too girlie a frame. Despite the fact that someone like Biel is not an ideal choice, it is a choice that displays a body FAR more on point to the character (however, I wouldn't choose Biel either).OK, so you wouldn't believe that Morena can lift up tank, but Jessica Biel yeah that you can accept without questioning. You do know that Biel had to workout to get the body she has in Blade Trinity and before that she was far from a powerhouse.
http://www.ilpotereelagloria.it/images/immagini/BielJ.jpg
http://jagodinac.bravehost.com/foto/-jessica_biel-005.jpg

Paganus, I'll respond to your post probably tomorrow. I do have a lot to say about it actually.

[Paganus]

Could still pass for a delicate church girl if necessary. But of the same vein, she was the perfect embodiment of Wonder Woman.You do realize that that was a campy 1970s television show, don't you? I doubt camp is what they'll be going for here, and I hope it isn't. But yes, Lynda Carter was good for that time and that role, and she did capture some of the essence of Wonder Woman. However, I do not think she's the standard—and certainly not the physical standard—for a more serious movie adaptation of the character to be released in 2008 (or later, if they don't get in gear soon).

She doesnt have to look like some muscular 300 type to be believeable as Wonder Woman. Well, first you'll have to show me where someone said the actress had to be a "muscular 300 type" (whatever that is) for it to work? But I do think it's reasonable to expect that in an age where most of us have come to grips with—and even accustomed to—women having a few muscles (gasp!), a reasonably buff and athletic Wonder Woman might be a good idea.

[batbat_29640]

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[Brainiac 2009]

You do realize that that was a campy 1970s television show, don't you? I doubt camp is what they'll be going for here, and I hope it isn't. But yes, Lynda Carter was good for that time and that role, and she did capture some of the essence of Wonder Woman. However, I do not think she's the standard—and certainly not the physical standard—for a more serious movie adaptation of the character to be released in 2008 (or later, if they don't get in gear soon).

The 70s/80s Superman movies were campy as well but that doesnt mean Reeve was physically wrong for Supes (despite obviously not looking like the steroid ripped freak from the comics).

Lynda Carter had the perfect look, whether her character was written to capture what you consider WW is irrelevant to her looks (we're only talking about the look here). Campiness doesnt equate to physicality.

If you cast the 70s Lynda in a WW film today, theres no doubt she would be accepted, probably 100x more than any of the other candidates suggested.

[Paganus]

The 70s/80s Superman movies were campy as well but that doesnt mean Reeve was physically wrong for Supes (despite obviously not looking like the steroid ripped freak from the comics).
The Superman movies may have had some camp in them, but they were not campy in the same way that the Wonder Woman and Batman television shows were. Thus your analogy just doesn't wash. (And no one is saying the roles should be filled with "steroid ripped freaks," so please spare us the drivel about that.)

Lynda Carter had the perfect look, whether her character was written to capture what you consider WW is irrelevant to her looks (we're only talking about the look here). Campiness doesnt equate to physicality. Huh? Campiness equates to virtually everything. The rules change entirely, and what works for a campy adaptation may not for a more serious one. Moreover, times have changed. It was a 1970s television show after all; you simply would not have seen a woman with any kind of muscle on her in a high-profile television role then. Thankfully we (most of us anyway) have moved beyond that and it's no longer a stigma for an actress to have some muscle; it's even appreciated now.

If you cast the 70s Lynda in a WW film today, theres no doubt she would be accepted, probably 100x more than any of the other candidates suggested. I wouldn't be so sure about that. And I can almost guarantee you that the new Wonder Woman will be more buff looking, and more athletic in general. You can be as nostalgic as you want, but what worked thirty years ago on television won't necessarily translate well here.

[DrayvensCrow]

The majority of camp for the Superman movies can be attributed to the post-Donner movies, and the camp in WW was atributable to the 70's when women weren't given the credit for their inner stength and abilities like they are now(though there wasn't nearly that much camp as what some are saying). Now the Batman camp was due to the 60's anti-establishment culture that was prevelant at the time, a culture that was mirrored in the comics of the time as well.

Lynda Carter was perfect for the WW of the 70's because she portrayed the 40's and 70's era WW, not the 50's or 60's. Today's WW she might be hard pressed to play from a purely style standpoint. Today's WW is completely different and I just don't know that she could play today's Diana. Physically she could probably put on the needed muscle and weight, but could she be the warrior that Diana is now? I just don't know....

[Brainiac 2009]

The Superman movies may have had some camp in them, but they were not campy in the same way that the Wonder Woman and Batman television shows were. Thus your analogy just doesn't wash. (And no one is saying the roles should be filled with "steroid ripped freaks," so please spare us the drivel about that.).

I guess you missed Superman III, the campiest of them all....yet Reeve was bulked up to the maximum in it.

Thankfully we (most of us anyway) have moved beyond that and it's no longer a stigma for an actress to have some muscle; it's even appreciated now..

Maybe in prison, though whatever does it for you. If you're into manly women, thats your problem.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. And I can almost guarantee you that the new Wonder Woman will be more buff looking, and more athletic in general. .

With your crystal ball?


You can be as nostalgic as you want, but what worked thirty years ago on television won't necessarily translate well here.

Depends on the execution. Wonder Woman will have super strength regardless of how big or nonexistant her muscles are. Theres already a suspension of disbelief in place that a woman can have this kind of nonhuman strength.

Of course her looks will be an issue but she can easily win the audience over with a hot swimsuit model-like body that Lynda Carter had (toned) as opposed to that of a gross female pro wrester.

My guess is that theres a very good chance theyll cast acting presence and facial resemblence to the character over body frame here.

Assuming this thing will ever get off the ground, mind you.

To be realistic about this, by the time this thing actually comes together, candidates as young as Taylor Cole will probably be the only ones considered.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Taylor%20Cole-2.jpg

[Paganus]

OK, so you wouldn't believe that Morena can lift up tank, but Jessica Biel yeah that you can accept without questioning. You do know that Biel had to workout to get the body she has in Blade Trinity and before that she was far from a powerhouse.
This isn't news to anyone, SufferingSappho. You have to work out if you want to have any hope of having that kind of body. But there are different body types, so it comes easier for some people than others. I'll also point out here that Jessica Biel has an athletic body type—you can see evidence of that before she did BT—and not every woman can get this kind of body (at least not in a reasonable time span):

http://www.beygla.is/editor/userimages/jessica-biel-workout-03.jpg

... even with a decent amount of training. It just doesn't work like that, though I know many people who wish it did.

Paganus, I'll respond to your post probably tomorrow. I do have a lot to say about it actually.No rush, not sure when I'll be back out anyway. But I'll look forward to seeing your reply.

[Paganus]

Maybe in prison, though whatever does it for you. If you're into manly women, thats your problem.Great, we get the grade school material now. I think we've come to an end here, Brainiac. Whereas SufferingSappho and some of the others appear to at least be interested in genuine debate, you I'm not so sure about. And with all the hyperbole, nonsense, and now lame attempts at ridicule, it's not worth trying to find out. (Besides, the few things you've brought up that would be worth talking about already have been covered, or will be soon enough.)

[SufferingSappho]

I want to see Wonder Woman respected, too; thus, I'd like someone who best approximates the personality and physical characteristics of the character. I want to see her taken seriously (a wimpy Wonder Woman won't be) and portrayed sincerely. She is supposed to be a symbol of strength, so I think an actress who is athletic—and taller—would be better. Sorry, I just don't see how Morena fits that description at all, and I know there are other fine, young actresses out there to choose from who probably do.

And I think Miss Baccarin can play the personality and she can get the physical look of the character enough to be taken seriously as a warrior. I know there are other young actresses who would be good in in role, I just haven't seen one that makes me think of Diana as much as Morena does.

You've missed the point. I already said it's not about exactly matching a comic book depiction of the character. However, it is about having a look that is close enough and appropriate for the type of role it is. Let me state it as plainly as I know how: We clearly have not been putting Pee Wee Herman types in the suit to play Superman. The actors have all been tall men, which also helps create a more imposing physical presence, who beefed up for the role. There's a reason it's been done that way... and the same basic rules apply here.

I'm not saying Kate Moss or someone like that would be good as WW, I also don't want to see a wimpy Wonder Woman I'd like to see a woman with a strong healthy body, soming between the classic version and the new version.

Yes, she is. Morena, though cute, is elfin looking and, despite the fact that she's fairly thin, has no muscle definition at all. She's not even close to having the right type of build for this. Maybe more pics are needed: She is indeed quite dainty, and a far cry from what anyone could reasonably call "athletic" or "Amazonian." I just find it hard to believe that we can't find someone who is a better match for the role physically and also meets the other requirements.

Morena would need training time for her physique (as I have said), but I don't think that will be too hard for her, in the battle at the end of Serenity she looked slim, toned and pretty athletic. and if you just have her pumps some iron and do some running I can absolutely see her as Amazon Princess.

Some pics from Serenity look at her arms she's got some definition and with training she'd be great in the role:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/S-2.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/S-5.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/S.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/S-1.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/S-3.jpg

Here's a photo of Morena and Gina Torres who is 5'10" and she looks about the same height. And it wouldn't be difficult to make her look taller with boots (and lifts in the boots) A lot of people think of Gina Torres is the quintessential amazon woman and as you can see in the photo Morena is not that much smaller then her, both in body frame and height:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4376/morenab21bl.jpg

What versions of the comic are you talking about? When Perez rebooted the character in the 80s, a conscious decision was made (with input from others, including Gloria Steinem I think) to give her a more athletic look since that is proper for the type of character that she is. And even when Marston was doing the comic she looked athletic, considering the style of the period.

Moreover, Wonder Woman was created to be a symbol of feminine strength, so I hope you're not saying that there is something wrong with her being reasonably buff? If so, I find that a little ironic.


Nothing wrong at all with her being "reasonably buff", but some of the comics make her look like a man and why would a symbol of feminine strength look like a man. Some people think that a woman can't be feminine and strong because they think being feminine is weak and wimpy, but for me Diana has always been both very feminine and very strong. That is one of the things that is so wonderful about this character, IMO.

This is a very good idea of what I hope to see Diana look like in the new film:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/TheWonderWoman.jpg

I'm no saying my favorite version is the only one that is right and that you are wrong, I actually think you have a good point, I just disagree with you about Morena Baccarin.

[Brainiac 2009]

Yep how they made Morena look there is the perfect body for Wonder Woman I'd like to see, cleavage and all.

[ShadowBoxing]

I think you're both being blinded by the face, mostly the hair...which is very Wonder Woman esque in both skin tone, look and hair shape/color. However her body is, as we have said, delicate and very feminine without any hint of strength. Even in the pictures you posted of her on camera actually reinforce the claim that she doesn't look believable as a warrior...because there she doesn't. Narrow shoulders, soft features, soft muscles. I guarentee Morena trains (on her own) for that role...and as Paganus points out, it just doesn't work like that. Jessica Biel has always had a somewhat masculine frame, especially her shoulders which are noticably wide...even in the picture you posted. Brandon Routh, who has caught slack for this as Superman, was not naturally big. Christian Bale, who caught almost zero slack for Batman, is a naturally built and trainable individual.

But perhaps a more appropriate example would be Demi Moore. Now she is well too old for Wonder Woman, but there we see someone who has the natural assets to play a "woman warrior" (as per her past roles). And that is really the point isn't it, who can play an Amazon warrior in a correct manner.

I think the picture by Phil Jimenez you post actually hurts Morena quite a bit, it shows a butt which is a veritable rarity on women. Defined arms, broad shoulders, nice tight muscles. Her breasts are probably Ds in that pic, and she has a masculine and almost dominering pressence which is underneath a veil of feminity. Not what I see in Morena. Nice girl, yes. Pretty, yes. Nice Church girl to take home to mother, yep...that is what she looks like. Not a warrior who "can take on the world of men".

[Brainiac 2009]

Reeve proved body can be worked on. Watch his audition.

Not that I want WW to be muscular, she shouldnt be. Masculine traits tend to look gross on women.

WW should be toned, athletic, but not have an overly muscular frame.

I just don't want a 6 foot tall ugly muscular tranny-looking freak.

Of course, this is Hollywood and luckily that wont happen ;)

[DrayvensCrow]

But perhaps a more appropriate example would be Demi Moore. Now she is well too old for Wonder Woman, but there we see someone who has the natural assets to play a "woman warrior" (as per her past roles). And that is really the point isn't it, who can play an Amazon warrior in a correct manner.



ShadowBoxing's hit the nail on the head: Demi Moore's body type is what Whedon should be working on getting. It's one that the comic film fan can accept and the rest of the film going public aren't threatened by. For whatever reason, some people keep going on about "tranny freaks" when everyone here has said that even though the Joannie Laurer-type body would fit the way WW is shown now, it would go more towards pushing people away from the movie than attracting them towards it.

[PenanceStare]

I'm sticking with Charisma Carpenter.

[SufferingSappho]

I very much disagree with you, ShadowBoxing. In this side by side comparison you can see the shoulders are not that far off from one and other and if Morena worked on her arms her arms would look like this.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/MBWW-1.jpg

And as Paganus said, "it's not about exactly matching a comic book depiction of the character. However, it is about having a look that is close enough and appropriate" I think her look is absolutely close enough and very appropriate for this part.

For me a perfect example of woman that looks frail and not very athletic is Halle Berry, but with a little training time she had a very strong healthy body for Catwoman, I know the film and costume are crap and all, but Halle's body looked wonderful and she's smaller than Morena.

I think this body type would be great for Wonder Woman to have.
http://www.cinematrix.hu/fajlok/galeriak/filmek/catwoman/catwoman-29.jpg
http://www.cinematrix.hu/fajlok/galeriak/filmek/catwoman/catwoman-35.jpg
http://www.cinematrix.hu/fajlok/galeriak/filmek/catwoman/catwoman-20.jpg

[Majik1387]

I think this body type would be great for Wonder Woman to have.
http://www.cinematrix.hu/fajlok/galeriak/filmek/catwoman/catwoman-29.jpg
http://www.cinematrix.hu/fajlok/galeriak/filmek/catwoman/catwoman-35.jpg
http://www.cinematrix.hu/fajlok/galeriak/filmek/catwoman/catwoman-20.jpg
Some may use my hate on the Catwoman movie or the hate on Halle Berry in action movies to negate my post but I on't care.

If that's what you want for Wonder Woman's body to be like, you must not care for the character at all.

[terry78]

You're not going to get a perfect rendition of Wonder Woman. It's physically impossible. Lynda Carter was nowhere near the comic incarnation, but she was able to pull of the demeanor of the character, which is all you can really hope for at this point. Artists are drawing her more realistically proportioned these days, but even then it's a stretch to find a chick that looks that toned and not mannish.

[sepharih]

I apologize as this post is extremely long overdo. First, thank you for moving the discussion to the Wonder Woman thread Suphering Sappho, I’m just sorry it took me so long to reply, long work weekend, and rough day back to school.

I always thought of Diana as extremely naive she is very wise and powerful, but not worldly, not at first. And I disagree with you on the strength thing, I think Morena had a lot of inner strength as Inara.

To be clear, I am certainly not implying that she was a weak willed damsel in distress. She does posses a certain perseverance and will I agree, but once again, it all feels very young and not fully matured.

Really, I can give an almost perfect example of what I’m talking about. Dig out your old Firefly Dvds if you have them and rewatch the episode “Heart of Gold”. In the episode the character of Nandi, portrayed by Melinda Clarke, is a definite contrast to Inara. I’m in no way suggesting her for the role as she is both: too old, and she doesn’t have anything even close to the general look I’m aiming for. However, there is also nothing remotely girlish or immature about her, her mannerisms, or the independence and strength she posses, and the differences between her and Inara are very striking.

And I simply cannot suspend my disbelief to believe that Monica Dean is strongest woman in the world.

What have you seen her in? I mean, we couldn’t exactly judge whether Brandon Routh could play the man of Steel based only on a bit part from Will and grace could we?

I would like to take this time to say that if I have ever once unintentionally implied that I think Monica Dean is definitively perfect for the role of Wonder Woman, or more accurately my personal preference of Wonder Woman, then I would like to apologize for it here and now. I don’t know if I actually think Monica Dean is perfect for the role for at least two reasons. One, while I have seen enough to make her a definite candidate, I haven’t seen anywhere near enough of her body of work to make any truly definitive judgment. Two, more obviously, I haven’t heard her read for the part.
In truth, Monica Dean, although a choice I most definitely am rooting for, is also in many ways more of a representation for what I am looking for in the role of Wonder Woman. A woman who is exceptionally beautiful, but also possess a maturity you wouldn’t see most younger actressses.

In truth, she may very well be wrong for the part. Even if that is the case, I know almost definitively that I will never be able to see Morena Baccarin as Wonder Woman.

Here is the episode of Stargate SG1 on youtube, she plays the evil princess Adria. She's in the first 5 minutes of part 1, and in a good amount of 3, 4 and 5, but she's not in part 2.

Enjoy!

I’ll try. I’ll be honest though, I don’t expect to be convinced of anything. Hopefully I’ll have seen them by tomorrow, but I make no guarantees.

As for Baccarin was Wonder Woman, she wouldn't be my first choice, but I wouldn't mind her. She would have to bulk up a lot, but I guess I could see it. I think she looks more like Zatanna then anything else.
Sir, I Thank you! I think I may even do a manip of that.



Note: the following post are from the thread titled “Cast the Justice League”.

You need to check again, there was alot of speculation that Routh didnt work out for SR and depended on a muscle suit, but the DVD doc pretty much owned everyone who thought so. I havent seen much complaints about Routh's build ever since the shots of him training for the film on the DVD were leaked. The dude got jacked up in a much shorter time than Reeve had.

You misunderstand me. I do not doubt that he worked out considerably for the part; I’m saying that the end result was not enough, and a great many people agree the last time I checked. I’m not criticizing him for wearing a muscle suit that he didn’t, on the contrary, I’m saying that he needs it.

that joint picture just proves how wrong Monica Dean looks next to Brandon Routh.

An actress with a youthful face like Lynda Carter would work better in this team.
Let’s turn this on its head shall we.

That joint picture just proves how wrong Brandon Routh looks next to Monica Dean and Christian Bale. An actor with a more mature look would work better in this team.

[Brainiac 2009]

Dude dont give me that crap.

Even Reeve at the same age as Brandon wouldnt look right next to Monica Dean:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/aa/375px-ChristopherReeveSuperman.png

Even with photo filters to make her look younger:

http://uikend.3x.ro/poze/Luat/Monica%20Barladeanu_31.jpg


Shes got a man-like face with a more masculine look. It makes her look tough and mature yes, but I don't find it attractive and I certainly cant see anything youthful or innocent in her look (which Joel Silver was hinting this new 'very young' Diana would be).

[CLARKY]

To be realistic about this, by the time this thing actually comes together, candidates as young as Taylor Cole will probably be the only ones considered.
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Taylor%20Cole-2.jpg
Wow! she's great. I think it's a good choice. That's the way I see Wonderwoman. She's perfect! Glad to know her! :up:
Morena Baccarin is a good choice as well.

[NewYorkSpider]

^^ That would be a good choice.

[SufferingSappho]

I apologize as this post is extremely long overdo. First, thank you for moving the discussion to the Wonder Woman thread Suphering Sappho, I’m just sorry it took me so long to reply, long work weekend, and rough day back to school.

You're welcome, and no problem I hope the proceeding week is better for you.

To be clear, I am certainly not implying that she was a weak willed damsel in distress. She does posses a certain perseverance and will I agree, but once again, it all feels very young and not fully matured.

Really, I can give an almost perfect example of what I’m talking about. Dig out your old Firefly Dvds if you have them and rewatch the episode “Heart of Gold”. In the episode the character of Nandi, portrayed by Melinda Clarke, is a definite contrast to Inara. I’m in no way suggesting her for the role as she is both: too old, and she doesn’t have anything even close to the general look I’m aiming for. However, there is also nothing remotely girlish or immature about her, her mannerisms, or the independence and strength she posses, and the differences between her and Inara are very striking.

I get what you're saying and I actually agree. Inara was more frail and girlish in that episode. Morena did an episode of the show "Justice" and she palyed a district attorney and she portrayed that character very independent and mature, so I don't think that's a problem for her.

What have you seen her in? I mean, we couldn’t exactly judge whether Brandon Routh could play the man of Steel based only on a bit part from Will and grace could we?

I've seen her in Lost and Nip/Tuck and she is a beautiful woman and not a bad choice, I just don't see her as Wonder Woman I think she's too mature for a young Diana's origin story. I can see her as Queen Hippolyte.

I’ll try. I’ll be honest though, I don’t expect to be convinced of anything. Hopefully I’ll have seen them by tomorrow, but I make no guarantees.
No big hurry, I don’t expect it will convince you, but you can at less say you gave it a good shot.

Peace!

[SufferingSappho]

I like Taylor Cole as well, she's number 2 on my list.

[Brainiac 2009]

Wow! she's great. I think it's a good choice. That's the way I see Wonderwoman. She's perfect! Glad to know her! :up:
Morena Baccarin is a good choice as well.

Yep, if Taylor worked on her acting a bit, she'd be good. She has the right look but she comes off as girly and timid in her roles.

It's fixable of course.

She does bear a resemblence to Lynda Carter.

[Antonello Blueberry]

A couple of days ago, I was thinking it would be fun if they cast all actress over 5ft10 for the amazons (like Geena Davis as Hyppolita, or Kristen Johnston as the funny amazon) and give a short love interest to WW. Mark Ruffalo as Ed Indelicato?

[Brainiac 2009]

Give WW a female love interest.

That will spark interest.

[terry78]

^That will spark masturbation in the theatre. :o

[Paganus]

And I think Miss Baccarin can play the personality and she can get the physical look of the character enough to be taken seriously as a warrior. I know there are other young actresses who would be good in in role, I just haven't seen one that makes me think of Diana as much as Morena does. Well, I have. I'm sure there are others I haven't seen too. As far as I'm concerned, it's about finding the best actress—i.e., the one who best fits the personality and physical characteristics—to play Wonder Woman. I don't think the search should be limited to one or just a few, and I say keep it as wide as possible.

I'm not saying Kate Moss or someone like that would be good as WW, I also don't want to see a wimpy Wonder Woman I'd like to see a woman with a strong healthy body, soming between the classic version and the new version. Fair enough. I don't think we're all that far apart then; we just have a different opinion as to how well Morena fits that, and, more important, whether there might be some better options out there.

Morena would need training time for her physique (as I have said), but I don't think that will be too hard for her, in the battle at the end of Serenity she looked slim, toned and pretty athletic. and if you just have her pumps some iron and do some running I can absolutely see her as Amazon Princess. No matter who it is she will need training, let's make that clear. It's a question of what can be accomplished in the relatively short time frame we're talking about (probably only 3-4 months). Having the right body type and just generally being athletic to begin with helps a lot with that. The few actresses who've done something like this (well, that is)—Demi Moore, Hilary Swank, Jessica Biel, etc.—have been athletic types and at least somewhat prepared for it; Swank had even been a competitive athlete. Moreover, I see Wonder Woman as a stretch even on what's been done before. She ranks up there as one of the most powerful superheroes, one that many people—fanboys and regular moviegoers—already have expectations about, so the actress will have to be able to make a physical impression that lives up to that. (Again, stature will be part of the equation, too.)

I just don't see where Morena fits the description well enough, and if nothing else, I'm certain there is someone out there who fits it much better.

Some pics from Serenity look at her arms she's got some definition and with training she'd be great in the role: I saw Serenity, and I didn't get that impression at all. I really don't see it in the pictures you posted either.

Here's a photo of Morena and Gina Torres who is 5'10" and she looks about the same height... Frankly, SufferingSappho, that pic doesn't jibe with the others I've seen with the two of them together. For example, here's what I came up with a quick Google search just now:

http://www.cinenews.gr/v4/edinburgh/photos/edinburgh_031.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/comic_con/comic_con_2005_photos/_group_photos/ron_glass17.jpg


http://www.afan.dk/firefly/ffpic/group.jpg
(Another from the same event it looks like.)

http://firefly.wz.cz/obsazeni/_serenity_movie_cast2.jpg

These pictures match what you'd typically expect to see when one woman is 5' 10" and the other 5' 7½". (And even when she's sitting down you can tell that Gina is a much larger woman.)

Nothing wrong at all with her being "reasonably buff", but some of the comics make her look like a man and why would a symbol of feminine strength look like a man.For one, I don't think anyone is saying she has to look like the most extreme example you can find in the comics; I know I'm not. So let's just leave that kind of rhetoric out of it.

Some people think that a woman can't be feminine and strong because they think being feminine is weak and wimpy, but for me Diana has always been both very feminine and very strong. That is one of the things that is so wonderful about this character, IMO. Well, we're close. To my thinking, she forces people to think beyond the stereotypical definition of what "feminine" is. A woman can be strong—and, yes, have muscles—and still be quite feminine. What is feminine constitutes a spectrum really, and there is no one definition for it, and certainly not one that says a woman has to be weak, unathletic, etc., to be considered feminine and fully a woman.

I'm no saying my favorite version is the only one that is right and that you are wrong, I actually think you have a good point, I just disagree with you about Morena Baccarin.Yep, we'll have to agree to disagree about Morena. I do agree, though, that in general we're not all that far apart on what the role needs.

[Paganus]

For whatever reason, some people keep going on about "tranny freaks" when everyone here has said that even though the Joannie Laurer-type body would fit the way WW is shown now, it would go more towards pushing people away from the movie than attracting them towards it.Spot on! It goes without saying—or should—that there's a large gap between, say, Morena Baccarin and Joanie Laurer, and perhaps that's where we should be looking. It's a little misleading—and silly, I think—to constantly try and frame the debate as an either-or between those two extremes.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Isn't Joanie Laurer a Transexual?

[Paganus]

I like Taylor Cole as well, she's number 2 on my list.Ah, something else we can agree on, SufferingSappho. I like Taylor too. I think she certainly has potential anyway. She's fairly tall (5'8½"), and a former athlete. I can't say much about her acting or overall demeanor though; I've only seen her once, for about a minute on a CSI episode.

[Brainiac 2009]

Taylor was my number one choice up until I saw her on Supernatural. She couldnt really act, so sadly I had to bump her down to #2.

[Dope Nose]

how about Emily Deschanel from Bones? we even get a Donna Troy in younger sister Zooey.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6141/bm105wn4.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/531/destempeui2.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4332/0420emily20deschanel20dhn1.jpg

[Manic]

Is it just me, or does Morena look kinda like Vanity?

[StorminNorman]

how about Emily Deschanel from Bones? we even get a Donna Troy in younger sister Zooey.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6141/bm105wn4.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/531/destempeui2.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4332/0420emily20deschanel20dhn1.jpg

I like - except for the idea of Zooey as Donna - she should play Zantanna or Harley Quinn :cmad:

[Manic]

I love the Deschanel sisters. Not as Diana or Donna, but they definitely deserve to play somebody.

[SufferingSappho]

Well, I have. I'm sure there are others I haven't seen too. As far as I'm concerned, it's about finding the best actress—i.e., the one who best fits the personality and physical characteristics—to play Wonder Woman. I don't think the search should be limited to one or just a few, and I say keep it as wide as possible.
We are in complete agreement on that. Keep the search as wide as possible!

Fair enough. I don't think we're all that far apart then; we just have a different opinion as to how well Morena fits that, and, more important, whether there might be some better options out there.
I'm not saying there is no better options out there, I just haven't seen someone that I like for the part as much as I like Morena.

No matter who it is she will need training, let's make that clear. It's a question of what can be accomplished in the relatively short time frame we're talking about (probably only 3-4 months). Having the right body type and just generally being athletic to begin with helps a lot with that. The few actresses who've done something like this (well, that is)—Demi Moore, Hilary Swank, Jessica Biel, etc.—have been athletic types and at least somewhat prepared for it; Swank had even been a competitive athlete. Moreover, I see Wonder Woman as a stretch even on what's been done before. She ranks up there as one of the most powerful superheroes, one that many people—fanboys and regular moviegoers—already have expectations about, so the actress will have to be able to make a physical impression that lives up to that. (Again, stature will be part of the equation, too.)

And don't forget fangirls! :yay:

Frankly, SufferingSappho, that pic doesn't jibe with the others I've seen with the two of them together. For example, here's what I came up with a quick Google search just now:


Damn, Summer Glau looks short in the first 2 photos and she's like 5' 9". They can make Morena look much larger on film with the right boots and lifts she'd be pretty tall. Here are some photos of Morena between Gina Torres and Sean Maher both of them are 5'10":

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/serenity11.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/serenity33.jpg

Well, we're close. To my thinking, she forces people to think beyond the stereotypical definition of what "feminine" is. A woman can be strong—and, yes, have muscles—and still be quite feminine. What is feminine constitutes a spectrum really, and there is no one definition for it, and certainly not one that says a woman has to be weak, unathletic, etc., to be considered feminine and fully a woman.

:up:

Yep, we'll have to agree to disagree about Morena. I do agree, though, that in general we're not all that far apart on what the role needs.

Yes, and I'm cool with you not liking her for the role, I do believe she'd surprise you and do an amazing job and live up to the beauty and power of Diana Princess of Themyscira.

I've loved the character since I was little and I really just hope the woman that gets the part can act, has the overall look and just catches the spirit of the character. I'm very excited and hopeful about this film. I'm a lifelong fan of Wonder Woman and a new fan of Joss Whedon's work, I just hope the two of them will mesh well together. :ww:

[SufferingSappho]

Is it just me, or does Morena look kinda like Vanity?

Who is Vanity, is that a character form someing?

Just out of curiosity! :yay:

[tamron]

Who is Vanity, is that a character form someing?

A former singer and actress. She played the female lead in Action Jackson and The Last Dragon.

And to answer the original question, I don't see a big resemblence. Slight, at best.

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~lanning/jpgs/manuela/vanity02.jpg

[Brainiac 2009]

Looks like a freaky fusuion of her and Paula Abdul.

[WonderWitch]

the whole "morena as ww" debate has been fun to follow. for those on both teams, :up:, well done! (i must say i'm still not convinced morena is ww material, but to each their own) the issue of body type and what kind of build ww should have was brought up many times, so i'm just gonna give my 2 cents.

i agree w/ those saying whoever gets to be ww must be able to have the ability to bulk up for the role, and when i say that i don't mean gross or slightly manly or butch muscle, just enough toning to look strong and convincing as a physically strong person to be feared by bad guys everywhere.

for example, alexis bledel, while very beautiful and talented, is a definite no-no simply because of her slight frame. we need to find someone with a larger frame and some curves, like jessica biel, angelina jolie, demi moore, jennifer garner,etc.

example of a really nice body that could work after training:
http://brookeb.home.att.net/ydiaz/swimsuit/original/ydss123.jpg
yamila diaz (not suggesting her for the role in any way, but she looks ww-like here, and i am incredibly jealous of her body)

so ya, i hope they don't cast an actress who isn't physically capable of being ww.

[sepharih]

Even Reeve at the same age as Brandon wouldnt look right next to Monica Dean:
On the contrary:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/Justice_League/ReeveDean1.jpg

I think they’re rather striking together.

Before anyone asks:

1.With the exception of a minor hue/saturation tweak the image of Reeve’s face is virtually unaltered.
2. Yes, that costume of his is very hokey. This picture is a leftover from a failed experiment to try and “update” Reeve’s costume. I didn’t really have an hour to burn cutting out another image of Christopher Reeve so I figured I’d just use it.

Even with photo filters to make her look younger:
...you do understand that she’s the same age as Morena Baccarin right?

Shes got a man-like face with a more masculine look. It makes her look tough and mature yes, but I don't find it attractive
…:dry:…I honestly have no response to this. If that is honestly your opinion then I may not ever be able to agree with you......on anything......ever.

and I certainly cant see anything youthful or innocent in her look(which Joel Silver was hinting this new 'very young' Diana would be).
Producers say a lot of things in the early stages of production.

[Psionic Force]

Morena as WW! All the way!

[Brainiac 2009]

Facially Monica Dean is just wrong for it. You need a Diana for an origins story thats looks young (as Silver said) and can convey the wide-eyed innocence of the character facially like Lynda Carter did.

http://www.freewebs.com/goodknowledge/Lynda%20Carter.jpg

http://i17.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/a9/1f/ed_2.JPG

http://www.amazing-amazon.com/wwstil/wwco70.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e123/AmberK004/Funny%20Stuff/Lynda-Carter---Wonder-Woman.jpg


Taylor Cole and Morena B both have that. Monica Dean doesnt. She may be the same age as Morena but looks way older, more masculine and alot rougher in the face.

http://uikend.3x.ro/poze/Luat/Monica%20Barladeanu_31.jpg

I cant realisitically see them choosing Dean based on the way they described what they wanted Diana to be in this. It's a neccessary component thats just missing in Dean no matter how you look at it.

[Brainiac 2009]

BTW, heres a recent pic I found of Taylor:

http://www.taylor-cole.org/images/albums/appearances/unknown/eventone/normal_UNKNOWN1_002.jpg

[Silvermoth]

I still think Jaime Murray should get the role, she's strong, seductive, a great actress and a relative unknown, perfect for a Joss Whedon film...

http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/show/2006/06/28hustle.jpg
But my second guess was Angelina

[FVD]

I'm really down with Taylor Cole. I'm not too convinced on that Monica Dean too btw. I really don't see Morena Baccarin as WW either.

My first choice of Alana de la Garza still remains. And I do agree that she needs to work on her acting too.

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-09/25510466.jpghttp://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Hot_Shots_Cop_Show_Gallery/csi_miami_alana_de_la_garza_400.jpghttp://www.socal.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1253-alana7.jpg

[Paganus]

And don't forget fangirls! :yay: Of course, it goes without saying!:yay:

Damn, Summer Glau looks short in the first 2 photos and she's like 5' 9". They can make Morena look much larger on film with the right boots and lifts she'd be pretty tall. Here are some photos of Morena between Gina Torres and Sean Maher both of them are 5'10":Gina still comes off looking bigger, even when she's further away in the shot. And Summer Glau (at least according to IMDb) is 5'6½".

Finally, telling us what they can possibly do with lifts, boots, camera angles, etc.—some of which comes at a fair amount of trouble and expense, especially when it's the star and you have to worry about it on every shot—isn't really making the case for someone being the best possible candidate to be Wonder Woman. I realize whoever they pick will probably need help (in some area) no matter what, but I think it's a safe bet to say we can find someone much closer to the ideal than Morena. This isn't going to be easy, and that will be true even if we get someone Gina's size.

I've loved the character since I was little and I really just hope the woman that gets the part can act, has the overall look and just catches the spirit of the character. I'm very excited and hopeful about this film. I'm a lifelong fan of Wonder Woman and a new fan of Joss Whedon's work, I just hope the two of them will mesh well together. :ww:I'm with you all the way there!

[Brainiac 2009]

My first choice of Alana de la Garza still remains. And I do agree that she needs to work on her acting too.



Yea, thats the main reason I didnt consider her. She acts like shes playing a vulcan on Law and Order.

[SufferingSappho]

Gina still comes off looking bigger, even when she's further away in the shot. And Summer Glau (at least according to IMDb) is 5'6½".

Finally, telling us what they can possibly do with lifts, boots, camera angles, etc.—some of which comes at a fair amount of trouble and expense, especially when it's the star and you have to worry about it on every shot—isn't really making the case for someone being the best possible candidate to be Wonder Woman. I realize whoever they pick will probably need help (in some area) no matter what, but I think it's a safe bet to say we can find someone much closer to the ideal than Morena. This isn't going to be easy, and that will be true even if we get someone Gina's size.

Summer is definitely taller than 5'6½" I've seen her in person, she's no shorter than 5'8".

I didn't say they would need camera angles and FXs, just some boots and maybe lifts in the boots to make her look a little bit taller and that's not a lot of trouble or very expensive at all. I'll add that in Stargate SG1 Baccarin is eye to eye with Claudia Black (she'd be very good as Queen Hippolyta, IMO) who is 5' 9" and very Amazon-like. Here's a good pic of her next to Nathan Fillion he's 6' 2" and he's wearing big boots and Sean Maher who's 5' 10":
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/promo20.jpg

As you can see she's not a tiny lady and she's not a super-large woman. I'd like to see Diana as tall but not towering above ordinary people, but I personally really love the more classic version of the character. Oh, and Wonder Woman has grown over the years the original Golden Age Diana was 5'8", the Silver Age Diana was 5'9" and now Diana's height is 5'11".


A former singer and actress. She played the female lead in Action Jackson and The Last Dragon.

And to answer the original question, I don't see a big resemblence. Slight, at best.

Ok, thanks I remember her now. Yeah, I don't see a much of a resemblence, like Brainiac 2009 said Vanity looks more like a young Paula Abdul.

[blksuperman2]

BTW, heres a recent pic I found of Taylor:

http://www.taylor-cole.org/images/albums/appearances/unknown/eventone/normal_UNKNOWN1_002.jpg

God she's gorgeous. That's Wonder Woman to me.

[Brainiac 2009]

If she was Wonder Woman I'd totally support Superman dumping Lois in the next movie to get some Amazonian action.

[Eddie Dean]

I've honestly never seen her act, but I'd take her on looks alone.

[Brainiac 2009]

Yea, her acting needs work.

She'd be a great girlfriend to a superhero but she doesnt have any presense as a heroine.

[SufferingSappho]

Taylor is very gorgeous! That's the best photo I've seen of her yet.

[Paganus]

Summer is definitely taller than 5'6½" I've seen her in person, she's no shorter than 5'8". It's a little off-topic and not worth debating, but that is what IMDb says:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1132359/bio
(And the folks at Celeb Heights seem to think that's generous: http://www.celebheights.com/s/Summer-Glau-2497.html)

Based on what I've seen of her (including the pics we've just gone through), I see no reason to question 5'6½".

I didn't say they would need camera angles and FXs, just some boots and maybe lifts in the boots to make her look a little bit taller and that's not a lot of trouble or very expensive at all. Doesn't matter; it's still an issue, and it's going to look and work better with a woman who is taller. That's just how it is.

I'll add that in Stargate SG1 Baccarin is eye to eye with Claudia Black (she'd be very good as Queen Hippolyta, IMO) who is 5' 9" and very Amazon-like. Here's a good pic of her next to Nathan Fillion he's 6' 2" and he's wearing big boots and Sean Maher who's 5' 10": I don't see it, SufferingSappho. Sorry.

Oh, and Wonder Woman has grown over the years the original Golden Age Diana was 5'8", the Silver Age Diana was 5'9" and now Diana's height is 5'11". I imagine there's a reason for that, like increases in average height, etc. In any case, this is the age the movie is being made in and that's what we need to consider. It's not just the number either, it's about her looking formidable (which stature helps with). Now 5'8" could work fine, if she has the right build; however, Morena doesn't fit there either.

But once again, I respect your opinion; we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[SufferingSappho]

I don't see it, SufferingSappho. Sorry.

Damn you! I just joking. :woot:

I imagine there's a reason for that, like increases in average height, etc. In any case, this is the age the movie is being made in and that's what we need to consider. It's not just the number either, it's about her looking formidable (which stature helps with). Now 5'8" could work fine, if she has the right build; however, Morena doesn't fit there either.

Stature helps, but Wonder Woman will be formidable because she's extremely powerful, has warrior training and she looks like she can kick some ass, but In addition to that she's a lovely Princess and very sweet and alluring I know that if she's too stern and forbidding in appearance it well repel a lot of men (and woman) and Diana is not repelling at all. A good example is Xena, I like her but I know a lot of people didn't because she was so forbidding and stern looking. Again I think Xena is very cool because she's a large, scary warrior woman, but that's just not the way I see Wonder Woman.

As I have said before I'd love to see someone that looks close to this...
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/TheWonderWoman.jpg

But once again, I respect your opinion; we'll just have to agree to disagree.

OK, I'll shut up about it for now. And I respect your opinion as well. :yay:

[Brainiac 2009]

The history of Wonder Woman's creation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyvhIJo5gU0

Steve crashing on the island and falling in love with Diana is the best origin to use.

I wonder if there will be parallels to the Iraq war.

This film needs some hardcore bondage too as the video suggest. It aint WW with Diana being dominated.

[sepharih]

Facially Monica Dean is just wrong for it.
Wrong for what? Wonder Woman, or your interpretation of Wonder Woman? I’ve tried my best to be patient with you but it doesn’t seem to be working so I’m going to be blunt this time.
Please look past your absurdly myopic view of what you think Wonder Woman should be, and please recognize that your interpretation of the character is simply not definitive. If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that Suffering Sappho and I discontinued the argument of the characters appearance once we established that, visually and/or facially, we were both aiming for vastly different ways of illustrating the character, and Sappho provided at least one example from the comics that I agree does bear a resemblance to Baccarin. It doesn’t do much for me personally, but hey, to each his own.
In truth, facially, Morena Baccarin is just wrong for my interpretation of Wonder Woman. The argument is moot, deal with it.

You need a Diana for an origins story thats looks young (as Silver said) and can convey the wide-eyed innocence of the character facially like Lynda Carter did.
......I guess I just didn’t make my point clear enough. I’ll try again. Producers like Silver say lot’s of things in the early stages of preproduction. The fact is that people don’t just sit down, have one meeting, write something up, and then go film it. At this point Whedon himself has admitted that he’s still trying to find the character, and is still toiling away at a screenplay which is anything but finished. If you think you know definitively what Whedon is ultimately going to do then please, by all means, tell him so that he can get the ball rolling.

Taylor Cole and Morena B both have that. Monica Dean doesnt. She may be the same age as Morena but looks way older, more masculine and alot rougher in the face.
I honestly do believe in the old saying that “beauty is in the eye of the beholder”, but if you think that Goddess looks “rougher in the face” and/or overly “masculine” then that’s your problem mate.

I cant realisitically see them choosing Dean based on the way they described what they wanted Diana to be in this. It's a neccessary component thats just missing in Dean no matter how you look at it.
I could say the same thing about Baccarin’s lack of maturity and inner strength. Please, don’t even think of using any fashion of the word “realistic” to justify your casting of Baccarin. Realistically, I can tell you right now that Jessica Biel is the most likely candidate for this role.

If she was Wonder Woman I'd totally support Superman dumping Lois in the next movie to get some Amazonian action.
Actually, I’ll happily support that no matter who actually ends up being Wonder Woman.


Suffering Sappho,

Well I watched the Stargate SG1 episode, and I honestly still see the exact same problems that I did with her as Inara, only to an even greater extent I feel.
Based solely on the information I got from the episode she doesn’t really come across as a wise female figure with demigod status so much as she does a charismatic but internally young girl who has a gun pointed at the galaxy.

You're welcome, and no problem I hope the proceeding week is better for you.
This coming week should be fairly good, but there’s a good chance that this will be my only major post for the weekend. Lot’s of work to do, both for school, and my job.

I get what you're saying and I actually agree. Inara was more frail and girlish in that episode. Morena did an episode of the show "Justice" and she palyed a district attorney and she portrayed that character very independent and mature, so I don't think that's a problem for her.
I did a quick search for the episode on youtube but came up short. Once again, I am genuinely interested in seeing it, but honestly, I get the impression that like most women she really just needs a few more years before she finally comes into herself and gains that.

I've seen her in Lost and Nip/Tuck and she is a beautiful woman and not a bad choice, I just don't see her as Wonder Woman I think she's too mature for a young Diana's origin story. I can see her as Queen Hippolyte.
Well, in the end, I guess we just need to agree to disagree with what’s most important for the character, and who’s ultimately best to portray that.

[Brainiac 2009]

I could say the same thing about Baccarin’s lack of maturity and inner strength. Please, don’t even think of using any fashion of the word “realistic” to justify your casting of Baccarin. Realistically, I can tell you right now that Jessica Biel is the most likely candidate for this role.



Wrong again. Whedon and Silver have both already confirmed that she will be an unknown the public hasnt been greatly exposed to. That actually makes Biel an unrealistic option. It might be good to be informed first before making your statements. ;)

I'm aware of ALL the interpretations of Wonder Woman, in looks and characterization but I'm going with what the producers stated theyre aiming for. Of course, they may change their mind and go a different direction like Dean...or even a known like Biel.


But for now I'm framing my choices realistically around what they said they want Diana to be in this, until they say otherwise.

[sepharih]

Wrong again. Whedon and Silver have both already confirmed that she will be an unknown the public hasnt been greatly exposed to. That actually makes Biel an unrealistic option. It might be good to be informed first before making your statements.
It might be good to learn a thing or two about how movies are made before making your statements. What Whedon and Silver say at this point, particularly in terms of casting, means almost less than nothing, as I’ve tried to explain to you already. The script isn’t done, and last time I checked Warner Bros. hasn’t actually even green light the project or set any kind of a budget yet. It’s only in the early development and scripting stage at this point, and there’s even rumors starting to circulate (though their basis in fact is up for debate) that Whedon may even be dropped.
Anything’s possible, and I’ll cross my fingers, but I will personally be very shocked and amazed if they go with an unknown at this point. Warner Bros. already tried that route last year to restart the Superman franchise, and look how that turned out (not what you thought of the film, financially I mean). Maybe if the budget is low enough, like around 30-60 million, maybe, but I can almost guarantee you that the studio is going to play it safe this time. It’s axiomatic that if Whedon wants someone like Baccarin he’s going to have to fight tooth and nail to keep her.

I'm aware of ALL the interpretations of Wonder Woman
You have absolute knowledge of every fan and writer's interpretation? I pity you.

But for now I'm framing my choices realistically around what they said they want Diana to be in this, until they say otherwise.
You’re framing your choices around your own aesthetic preferences just like everyone else. That’s fine, but that’s all your doing, and that’s all I’m doing. I reiterate, deal with it.

[Brainiac 2009]

It might be good to learn a thing or two about how movies are made before making your statements. What Whedon and Silver say at this point, particularly in terms of casting, means almost less than nothing, as I’ve tried to explain to you already. The script isn’t done, and last time I checked Warner Bros. hasn’t actually even green light the project or set any kind of a budget yet. It’s only in the early development and scripting stage at this point, and there’s even rumors starting to circulate (though their basis in fact is up for debate) that Whedon may even be dropped..

And until he is, I will still base my choices around what him and Joel stated they wanted until told otherwise. I just go by hard facts and statements not speculation and rumors.



You have absolute knowledge of every fan and writer's interpretation? I pity you.

Of every writer interpretation historically, yes.

You’re framing your choices around your own aesthetic preferences just like everyone else. That’s fine, but that’s all your doing, and that’s all I’m doing. I reiterate, deal with it.

Take your own advice. Again I'm basing it on their most recent statements of how they want to handle Diana. If they asked for a known actress (like Biel) or an actress that exemplifies what Monica Dean has, my choices would obviously be different.

And Alan Horn justified Superman's box office as having to do with the lack of action (which they plan to remedy in the sequel by making it the most action oriented DC feature produced to date). Brandon Routh was signed for the sequel without question and his performance is an overall critical success if you check RT.com. Your conspiricy theory about WB now avoiding unknown actors is bs.

[sepharih]

And until he is, I will still base my choices around what him and Joel stated they wanted until told otherwise. I just go by hard facts and statements not speculation and rumors.
That time, my friend, is now.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/12385

See why that’s not always the best idea? Go with the one you like personally.

Of every writer interpretation historically, yes.
And not every fans interpretation. Everyone has there own.

And Alan Horn justified Superman's box office as having to do with the lack of action (which they plan to remedy in the sequel by making it the most action oriented DC feature produced to date).
Trust me, studios are very good at justifying their own mistakes and BSing. I guarantee you that the reason it failed was, primarily, terrible marketing, and having absolutely no bankable stars factors into that. They chose to put the Superman name up against Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom, and Keira Knightly, they messed up and they knew it well before theaters opened.

Brandon Routh was signed for the sequel without question and his performance is an overall critical success if you check RT.com. Your conspiricy theory about WB now avoiding unknown actors is bs.
Conspiracy theory? Star power sells tickets, it’s a fact.
I know critics loved Routh. Critics don’t make movies a success, the movie going public does, and they were quite ambivalent to him. Also, Superman Returns 2 (that’d be a weird title) hasn’t been greenlight either as far as I know, like Wonderwoman, it’s just in scripting stages.

[Brainiac 2009]

That time, my friend, is now.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/12385

See why that’s not always the best idea? Go with the one you like personally..

Well no, obviously when something like this happens and a new guy steps up and says what he wants, I'll formulate my choice to fit his views.



Trust me, studios are very good at justifying their own mistakes and BSing. I guarantee you that the reason it failed was, primarily, terrible marketing, and having absolutely no bankable stars factors into that. They chose to put the Superman name up against Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom, and Keira Knightly, they messed up and they knew it well before theaters opened.

Conspiracy theory? Star power sells tickets, it’s a fact.
I know critics loved Routh. Critics don’t make movies a success, the movie going public does, and they were quite ambivalent to him. Also, Superman Returns 2 (that’d be a weird title) hasn’t been greenlight either as far as I know, like Wonderwoman, it’s just in scripting stages.

Youre entitled to your opinion on WW or whats left of it, but don't knock Superman without some facts. Calling it a failure is a major exaggeration especially when Horn is fully supporting Singer's involvement in the sequel (they obviously don't want to take the chance the franchaise will fall into limbo again with a replacement director who could screw things up).

It may not have pulled Spider-man numbers but it still turned a profit and is the 7# highest grossing comicbook adaption film to date: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=comicbookadaptation.htm aside from being a critical success.

If X-men can go from $157,299,717 (X1) to $214,949,694 (X2) with a more action packed sequel developed by Singer, its beyond plausable that Superman can do the same (it even outdid Batman Begins in full international gross).

So despite the film having a higher budget than the others it still captured an audience as large as most comicbook films that are given multiple sequels, so its on track and healthy from that standpoint.

The key factor that was missing in SR was the kid appeal factor. Spider-Man can thank alot of its success to kids and families who watch it over and over. Kids could obviously not sit through a film like SR, as it wasnt intended for them. Without action, they would prolly find the overall romance-based film rather uninteresting.

An edgier, fast-paced action sequel could remedy that.

Let's not forget Tobey was pretty unknown at the time of Spider-man one too. People obviously didnt see Spider-man just for it's cast.

[Lucid]

Now that Whedon's off Wonder Woman, can we all agree to stop talking about Monica Baccarin as a candidate? There's already enough talk in this thread about completely unrealistic candidates (beauty pageant winners, anyone?), but there's NO WAY Baccarin will get the role now, without the Whedon connection, so we might as well save our breath.

[Kebab gud]

well joss also said he had Cobie Smulders in mind ..

[Red Mask]

Now that Whedon's off Wonder Woman, can we all agree to stop talking about Monica Baccarin as a candidate? There's already enough talk in this thread about completely unrealistic candidates (beauty pageant winners, anyone?), but there's NO WAY Baccarin will get the role now, without the Whedon connection, so we might as well save our breath.


But they just love her sooooooo much! :cwink:

[spark627]

thank god bc baccarin is so wrong for ww

[sepharih]

Well no, obviously when something like this happens and a new guy steps up and says what he wants, I'll formulate my choice to fit his views.

:whatever:
I guess it’s true what they say, some people never do learn. Get your own opinion dude! Why conform to the possible choices of someone who probably doesn’t even know this character as well as you do?

Youre entitled to your opinion on WW or whats left of it, but don't knock Superman without some facts. Calling it a failure is a major exaggeration Artistically it’s a matter of opinion, but financially, no it isn’t an exaggeration. It was a failure, period. Not the biggest failure of all time to be sure, but it was nonetheless.

especially when Horn is fully supporting Singer's involvement in the sequel (they obviously don't want to take the chance the franchaise will fall into limbo again with a replacement director who could screw things up). I already told you the sequel hasn’t been green lit. They could still decide to pull out at this point. Why wouldn’t they have done that already you may ask? Simple, to back out now would be to admit failure, and that’s not a good business decision when you’re still trying to sell your product (DVD’s and such).
Really though, I actually wouldn’t worry too much about a Superman Returns sequel If I were you. You’ll probably get one. It’s not because the WB was pleased with the results though, it’s really more because at this point WB has probably made too big of an investment to just walk away.

It may not have pulled Spider-man numbers but it still turned a profit and is the 7# highest grossing comicbook adaption film to date: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=comicbookadaptation.htm aside from being a critical success. at bolded part:

Says who? You do realize that in today’s market films have to make at least twice if not thrice their original budget to actually turn any kind of notable profit right? I don’t know the exact numbers for everything so my estimates are hardly precise (and I don’t really feel like bothering with it) but when you add in the budget, marketing costs, percentage that was probably promised to Singer and others, this film would have needed to make well over 540 million just too break even. Even if DVD sales go through the roof (and I hear word that they have) it’s impossible at this point for the film to turn any kind of significant profit. They’ll probably be in the black when all is said and done, but this film was still a financial disappointment.

Also, I don’t care what Critics say. I have my own opinion on films that I’m not afraid to express.

If X-men can go from $157,299,717 (X1) to $214,949,694 (X2) with a more action packed sequel developed by Singer, its beyond plausable that Superman can do the same (it even outdid Batman Begins in full international gross).Even if Superman Returns 2 becomes the highest grossing film of all time it won’t change the numbers for Superman Returns.

So despite the film having a higher budget than the others it still captured an audience as large as most comicbook films that are given multiple sequels, so its on track and healthy from that standpoint.Keep making excuses.

The key factor that was missing in SR was the kid appeal factor. Spider-Man can thank alot of its success to kids and families who watch it over and over. Kids could obviously not sit through a film like SR, as it wasnt intended for them. Without action, they would prolly find the overall romance-based film rather uninteresting.

An edgier, fast-paced action sequel could remedy that. Again, Bad Marketing. They realized that mistake too late when they released the final theatrical trailer which actually did make the film look kind of cool. Again, you’re still making excuses for why this film flopped, although according to you it somehow didn’t. So...why so defensive?

Let's not forget Tobey was pretty unknown at the time of Spider-man one too. People obviously didnt see Spider-man just for it's cast. Of course not, but the film was well marketed. Keep in mind that people had been waiting for a Spider-man film since forever. People have had plenty of Superman to keep them company over the years. The novelty of seeing the first Spider-man film in live action was a huge incentive, far more so than any star power.

[dnno1]

So, dpm07, who is your choice now? I doubt it's Morena Baccarin.

[jrpstarwars]

You all know I am right...
http://www.nndb.com/people/062/000022993/liv-tyler-sm.jpg
http://www.chicagobachelor.com/albums/Liv-Tyler-Pictures/liv_tyler_4.jpghttp://www.deskcharm.com/wallpapers/liv-tyler/liv-tyler-008.jpghttp://www.cipinsel.de/imgs/liv_tyler_nude_lg.jpg (http://www.cipinsel.de/liv_tyler_nude.html)http://www.celebrity-pictures-archive.com/pictures/l/liv-tyler/liv-tyler-155.jpghttp://www.celebrity-pictures-archive.com/pics/l/liv-tyler/liv-tyler-018.jpg (http://www.celebrity-pictures-archive.com/l/liv-tyler-picture-018.htm)http://www.chicagobachelor.com/albums/Liv-Tyler-Pictures/liv_tyler_11.jpg (http://www.chicagobachelor.com/gallery/Liv-Tyler-Pictures/liv_tyler_11) Don't mess with Farva.

[spark627]

could not be more wrong in that choice

[jrpstarwars]

could not be more wrong in that choice

Whatever Sparky. I was right bout Joss being wrong for this and they chastized me. I am right about this so I guess you'll chastize me more.

[Majik1387]

could not be more wrong in that choice
It's better than his original choice. Julia Roberts.:dry:

[spark627]

wow

[jrpstarwars]

It's better than his original choice. Julia Roberts.:dry:

Julia Roberts wasn't my original choice...

she was...

http://www.freecelebrities.org/l/Laura-Prepon/laura_prepon7.jpg

[spark627]

shes even worse... jeez

[jrpstarwars]

oops

[jrpstarwars]

Here is an idea I flirted with but only if she gained some weight and grew six inches.
http://www.hippieskivvies.com/celebphotos/ChristinaRicci.jpg (javascript:history.go(-1))

[zanos]

Well no, obviously when something like this happens and a new guy steps up and says what he wants, I'll formulate my choice to fit his views.




Youre entitled to your opinion on WW or whats left of it, but don't knock Superman without some facts. Calling it a failure is a major exaggeration especially when Horn is fully supporting Singer's involvement in the sequel (they obviously don't want to take the chance the franchaise will fall into limbo again with a replacement director who could screw things up).

It may not have pulled Spider-man numbers but it still turned a profit and is the 7# highest grossing comicbook adaption film to date: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=comicbookadaptation.htm aside from being a critical success.

If X-men can go from $157,299,717 (X1) to $214,949,694 (X2) with a more action packed sequel developed by Singer, its beyond plausable that Superman can do the same (it even outdid Batman Begins in full international gross).

So despite the film having a higher budget than the others it still captured an audience as large as most comicbook films that are given multiple sequels, so its on track and healthy from that standpoint.

The key factor that was missing in SR was the kid appeal factor. Spider-Man can thank alot of its success to kids and families who watch it over and over. Kids could obviously not sit through a film like SR, as it wasnt intended for them. Without action, they would prolly find the overall romance-based film rather uninteresting.

An edgier, fast-paced action sequel could remedy that.


Possibly but let's not forget how the public responded to Matrix Revolutions after watching Matrix Reloaded which was an enormous disappointment of epic proportions.


Let's not forget Tobey was pretty unknown at the time of Spider-man one too. People obviously didnt see Spider-man just for it's cast.

That's pretty obvious since the actors seem almost as boring and uninteresting as the characters they play.

[jrpstarwars]

How can she not be Wonder Woman?

[jrpstarwars]

http://www.naughtycelebrity.com/sites/liv-tyler-nude/images/liv_tyler002.jpeg

[Brainiac 2009]

:whatever:
I guess it’s true what they say, some people never do learn. Get your own opinion dude! Why conform to the possible choices of someone who probably doesn’t even know this character as well as you do?

Artistically it’s a matter of opinion, but financially, no it isn’t an exaggeration. It was a failure, period. Not the biggest failure of all time to be sure, but it was nonetheless.

I already told you the sequel hasn’t been green lit. They could still decide to pull out at this point. Why wouldn’t they have done that already you may ask? Simple, to back out now would be to admit failure, and that’s not a good business decision when you’re still trying to sell your product (DVD’s and such).
Really though, I actually wouldn’t worry too much about a Superman Returns sequel If I were you. You’ll probably get one. It’s not because the WB was pleased with the results though, it’s really more because at this point WB has probably made too big of an investment to just walk away.

at bolded part:

Says who? You do realize that in today’s market films have to make at least twice if not thrice their original budget to actually turn any kind of notable profit right? I don’t know the exact numbers for everything so my estimates are hardly precise (and I don’t really feel like bothering with it) but when you add in the budget, marketing costs, percentage that was probably promised to Singer and others, this film would have needed to make well over 540 million just too break even. Even if DVD sales go through the roof (and I hear word that they have) it’s impossible at this point for the film to turn any kind of significant profit. They’ll probably be in the black when all is said and done, but this film was still a financial disappointment.

Also, I don’t care what Critics say. I have my own opinion on films that I’m not afraid to express.

Even if Superman Returns 2 becomes the highest grossing film of all time it won’t change the numbers for Superman Returns.

Keep making excuses.

Again, Bad Marketing. They realized that mistake too late when they released the final theatrical trailer which actually did make the film look kind of cool. Again, you’re still making excuses for why this film flopped, although according to you it somehow didn’t. So...why so defensive?

Of course not, but the film was well marketed. Keep in mind that people had been waiting for a Spider-man film since forever. People have had plenty of Superman to keep them company over the years. The novelty of seeing the first Spider-man film in live action was a huge incentive, far more so than any star power.

Regardless it proves my point about unknown actors and Brandon's casting not being the reason for SR's performance. I notice your suddenly blaming marketing now, I would agree with that, seems more of a logical reason considering the facts.

And the statements about the film's profit were from Singer and Horn, it could be bs, it could not be... but we'll never know for sure, all the public will have is speculation. I choose to believe TPTB simply because it will be on them to justify all this to the public and make all the decisions regarding the sequel. We're not the ones working for WB and if they are content with certain decisions that go on there and will still push this project forward regardless, thats good for them.

Anyway, despite the investment they put in... they could have still axed Singer but yet Horn constantly publically says that he completely supports Bryan for a more action oriented sequel.

The film may have not made the Spiderman numbers it wanted to make but I'd hardly consider nearly 400 mil worldwide as a failure.

And back to Wonder Woman and casting in general, I always base my choices within the parameters that the producers are interested in. It just seems more logical to do so. Sure producers and directors come and go but I try to keep my expectations as real to what they specify as possible.

[sepharih]

Regardless it proves my point about unknown actors and Brandon's casting not being the reason for SR's performance. I notice your suddenly blaming marketing now, I would agree with that, seems more of a logical reason considering the facts.
Excuse me while I quote myself:
I guarantee you that the reason it failed was, primarily, terrible marketing, and having absolutely no bankable stars factors into that.
:whatever:
Having star power is a key component of any marketing for films like this. If you don’t have it then you had better be able to substitute it with one hell of a marketing campaign, and Superman Returns left much to be desired in that area (and others :cwink:).
It’s true that no amount of Star Power ensures the financial success of any film, but it’s still proven to have an immense effect on the chances of financial success, so it’s a good way to play it safe, and face it, it’s a good idea to play it safe when you’re gambling with a hundred plus million dollar price tag.
The fact is that Warner Bros. didn’t have a good year, and they are going to be hard to incline to take any risks with this film such as casting an unknown actress such as Morena Baccarin, or my Monica Dean.
Understand, the studio isn’t out to make a bad movie, but they are out to make money. It may be a travesty unto the character, but having Jessica Biel or some other hot celebrity tart of the year prancing around in the Wonder Woman outfit will almost definitely bring in ticket sales. We may yet luck out with someone who understands the character and who can convince the studio to do it right, but don’t hold your breath.

And the statements about the film's profit were from Singer and Horn, it could be bs, it could not be... but we'll never know for sure, all the public will have is speculation.
Trust me, I do know for sure, it’s Spin. It’s what they do.

I choose to believe TPTB simply because it will be on them to justify all this to the public and make all the decisions regarding the sequel. We're not the ones working for WB and if they are content with certain decisions that go on there and will still push this project forward regardless, thats good for them.
You “believe” in Hollywood? :wow:

Anyway, despite the investment they put in... they could have still axed Singer but yet Horn constantly publically says that he completely supports Bryan for a more action oriented sequel.
:dry:......ok......I’ll try again. As I already explained, at this point they’re still trying to sell their product which didn’t deliver the results it was supposed too. Dropping Singer now would be a terrible business decision, just as it would be to pull out of the franchise at this particular juncture. Nothing has been green lit, Singer has only been given the chance to develop the screenplay. What Horn or anybody else says means almost nothing at this point in time. Wasn’t today’s development with Whedon enough to convince you of that?
Do you honestly think that if Singer can’t produce a more action oriented screenplay for the sequel, that doesn’t go in line with the desires of what the studio execs and producers want, that he won’t be dropped just as fast as Whedon was? Do You?!?

The film may have not made the Spiderman numbers it wanted to make but I'd hardly consider nearly 400 mil worldwide as a failure.
If a film needs to make 540 to 600 million, give or take, to break even and it only makes 400 million that film is a failure, whether you personally consider it one or not.

And back to Wonder Woman and casting in general, I always base my choices within the parameters that the producers are interested in. It just seems more logical to do so. Sure producers and directors come and go but I try to keep my expectations as real to what they specify as possible.
You’d “base your choices within the parameters” of what Tim Burton wanted when he was doing Superman Lives? Why?!? You said yourself that you’re not working for WB, right? You’re a fan, right? Whatever choice you make for the role is inconsequential. You’re just evangelically pronouncing a choice that fits your personal preference for the character. What’s the point of conforming to someone else’s interpretation of the character? Don’t you have your own?!?

[Lucid]

well joss also said he had Cobie Smulders in mind ..
Is it just me or did that seem facetious? If it wasn't, why'd he tack it on at the end? It seemed a little jokey.

[dpm07]

So, dpm07, who is your choice now? I doubt it's Morena Baccarin.

Well, I wouldn't mind seeing her get the role, but now without the Whedon connection, that seems unlikely.

I think a lot is going to depend on the direction of the next director. For example, is he/she going to want a young actress, or someone in their late 20's or possibly early 30's. If they are going young, then I would want either Taylor Cole, Sophia Bush, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Camilla Belle, or even Katherine Heigl.

Physically, Jessica Biel might be a good choice if they want a recognizable star, and someone who definitely exudes a physicality to the role.

If we're looking at someone in their early 30's, then Angelina or Kate Beckinsale might be a viable option.

I'd really need to know who the next potential director is, and what particular concept, idea, or direction they plan on taking. Is it going to be an origin story? Established superheroine? etc.

[Brainiac 2009]

:dry:......ok......I’ll try again. As I already explained, at this point they’re still trying to sell their product which didn’t deliver the results it was supposed too. Dropping Singer now would be a terrible business decision, just as it would be to pull out of the franchise at this particular juncture. Nothing has been green lit, Singer has only been given the chance to develop the screenplay. What Horn or anybody else says means almost nothing at this point in time. Wasn’t today’s development with Whedon enough to convince you of that?
Do you honestly think that if Singer can’t produce a more action oriented screenplay for the sequel, that doesn’t go in line with the desires of what the studio execs and producers want, that he won’t be dropped just as fast as Whedon was? Do You?!?

Can't or can? X2 is pretty much evidence that he can.



If a film needs to make 540 to 600 million, give or take, to break even and it only makes 400 million that film is a failure, whether you personally consider it one or not.

The 400 mil is just from the theatre run alone, there are loads of other areas where this project could have made significant profit in, not to mention your 600 mill figure is speculation too. We don't have the facts and specific financial figures here from everything else (except the theatre run) so branding it a failure in your eyes is still speculation.


You’d “base your choices within the parameters” of what Tim Burton wanted when he was doing Superman Lives? Why?!? You said yourself that you’re not working for WB, right? You’re a fan, right? Whatever choice you make for the role is inconsequential. You’re just evangelically pronouncing a choice that fits your personal preference for the character. What’s the point of conforming to someone else’s interpretation of the character? Don’t you have your own

I do, but its more challenging this way. If I had a personal preference for Superman Lives, it would be my choice for 'Superman Lives' alone not Superman in general. Without boundaries, you could pretty much cast anyone for anything.

[jrpstarwars]

Excuse me while I quote myself:

:whatever:
Having star power is a key component of any marketing for films like this. If you don’t have it then you had better be able to substitute it with one hell of a marketing campaign, and Superman Returns left much to be desired in that area (and others :cwink:).
It’s true that no amount of Star Power ensures the financial success of any film, but it’s still proven to have an immense effect on the chances of financial success, so it’s a good way to play it safe, and face it, it’s a good idea to play it safe when you’re gambling with a hundred plus million dollar price tag.
The fact is that Warner Bros. didn’t have a good year, and they are going to be hard to incline to take any risks with this film such as casting an unknown actress such as Morena Baccarin, or my Monica Dean.
Understand, the studio isn’t out to make a bad movie, but they are out to make money. It may be a travesty unto the character, but having Jessica Biel or some other hot celebrity tart of the year prancing around in the Wonder Woman outfit will almost definitely bring in ticket sales. We may yet luck out with someone who understands the character and who can convince the studio to do it right, but don’t hold your breath.


Trust me, I do know for sure, it’s Spin. It’s what they do.


You “believe” in Hollywood? :wow:


:dry:......ok......I’ll try again. As I already explained, at this point they’re still trying to sell their product which didn’t deliver the results it was supposed too. Dropping Singer now would be a terrible business decision, just as it would be to pull out of the franchise at this particular juncture. Nothing has been green lit, Singer has only been given the chance to develop the screenplay. What Horn or anybody else says means almost nothing at this point in time. Wasn’t today’s development with Whedon enough to convince you of that?
Do you honestly think that if Singer can’t produce a more action oriented screenplay for the sequel, that doesn’t go in line with the desires of what the studio execs and producers want, that he won’t be dropped just as fast as Whedon was? Do You?!?


If a film needs to make 540 to 600 million, give or take, to break even and it only makes 400 million that film is a failure, whether you personally consider it one or not.


You’d “base your choices within the parameters” of what Tim Burton wanted when he was doing Superman Lives? Why?!? You said yourself that you’re not working for WB, right? You’re a fan, right? Whatever choice you make for the role is inconsequential. You’re just evangelically pronouncing a choice that fits your personal preference for the character. What’s the point of conforming to someone else’s interpretation of the character? Don’t you have your own?!?

Wow, someone as smart as me. I think the actress that fills all needs and is right for the part is:
http://www.cassiel.net/Galleries3/Liv_Tyler/images/Liv_Tyler_1.jpg
the 'look' - check
star power- check
young - check
skilled - check
tall - check
sex appeal - check

I miss anything?:woot:

[Kebab gud]

skilled? have you ever seen her act? shes like a 13year old girl talking to a boy shes crussing on when she "acts" , she has never once made me think of her as anything other then that dude with the big mouth's daughter

[Brainiac 2009]

I'm starting to think someone around Taylor Cole's age is prolly the best bet considering when this film will actually pull itself together.

[jrpstarwars]

My choice for Wonder Woman is the only choice:
http://www.cassiel.net/Galleries3/Liv_Tyler/images/Liv_Tyler_1.jpg
http://www.facade.com/celebrity/photo/Liv_Tyler.jpg

http://www.joinjoe.de/Gallery/Girls/liv1/Bilder/Liv%20Tyler%2001.jpghttp://www.deskcharm.com/wallpapers/liv-tyler/liv-tyler-008.jpghttp://www.celebrity-pictures-archive.com/pictures/l/liv-tyler/liv-tyler-013.jpghttp://www.celebrity-pictures-archive.com/pictures/l/liv-tyler/liv-tyler-084.jpghttp://www.wallpapers-zone.com/wallpapers/stars_et_top_models_femmes/liv_tyler/liv_tyler_015.jpg (http://www.serialgamer.com/mobile.php?wpp=stars_et_top_models_femmes/liv_tyler/liv_tyler_015.jpg)

[jrpstarwars]

skilled? have you ever seen her act? shes like a 13year old girl talking to a boy shes crussing on when she "acts" , she has never once made me think of her as anything other then that dude with the big mouth's daughter

Wow, what was halle Berry before X-men???

[Kebab gud]

a good actress.. .. halle barry is a good actress who sometimes picks TOTALY! wrong movies.. like Catwoman and stuff..
you really think Halle Barry got her start from X-men?

[jrpstarwars]

a good actress.. .. halle barry is a good actress who sometimes picks TOTALY! wrong movies.. like Catwoman and stuff..
you really think Halle Barry got her start from X-men?

What was she known for before that smart guy???:cmad:

[Brainiac 2009]

Sepharih, you may want to check this thread:

Superman Returns

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264436

Jamal Igle; an artist with DC who has friends within WB quoted these numbers for straight gross profits. SR did do decent business overall.

B.O. $200,120,000 (Domestic) 391,120,000 (international)
Budget(Which has been officially released) 204,000,000
Imax theaters (not part of the total domestic gross) 22,800,000
US Video game slaes:400,000
Rentals( $50,920,000)
Ad budget(never released) but apparently according to my source closer to BB's budget than this mystical 100 mil that people keep touting.TV rights(25,000,000)
Total profit before DVD sales and ancillary merchandising and licensing(Product tie ins include , Hasbro,General mills,Hot Topic, Target, Pepsi, Pizza hut,etc.)
$242,240,000 Profit.

[Katsuro]

What was she known for before that smart guy???:cmad:

That's completely besides the point (even though Halle Berry was decently well-known before X-Men).

The point is that Liv Tyler can't act.

[batboy99]

Here is an idea I flirted with but only if she gained some weight and grew six inches.
http://www.hippieskivvies.com/celebphotos/ChristinaRicci.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.go(-1))no,i love her but not for wonderwoman

[jrpstarwars]

That's completely besides the point (even though Halle Berry was decently well-known before X-Men).

The point is that Liv Tyler can't act.

Wow, really? Who can?

[zanos]

Anyone who doesn't use a monotonish baby voice when they talk.

[jrpstarwars]

Anyone who doesn't use a monotonish baby voice when they talk.

Really? name some.:dry:

[Katsuro]

Wow, really? Who can?

Just about any actress in this thread who was suggested by someone other than you.

I'm serious. It's gotten to the point where I'm having trouble believing you're serious. I've seen ridiculously sarcastic casting suggestions that have made more sense than most of the ones you claim are serious. That's right, Ron Perlman would be a better Wonder Woman than the people you've listed.

[sepharih]

Can't or can? X2 is pretty much evidence that he can.
Who’s to say he can do it again, and even if it does, what if it’s still not in line with what the studio wants (as I said)? Do you think he won’t be dropped?

The 400 mil is just from the theatre run alone, there are loads of other areas where this project could have made significant profit in, not to mention your 600 mill figure is speculation too. We don't have the facts and specific financial figures here from everything else (except the theatre run) so branding it a failure in your eyes is still speculation.
Funny how it’s not speculation when it works in your favor. I went ahead and checked your thread, and while I could point out the various problems made in coming up with those numbers I’ve already wasted too much time on it as it is. Frankly I’m amazed I actually got back into the argument again (on a Wonder Woman thread no less). I already swore off even trying to debate this after I left the IMDB forums for that film. Go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe. You can even gloat or claim victory if you want.

I do, but its more challenging this way. If I had a personal preference for Superman Lives, it would be my choice for 'Superman Lives' alone not Superman in general. Without boundaries, you could pretty much cast anyone for anything.
Set your own boundaries.

[jrpstarwars]

Bell may be the sexiest damn choice yet but it will not happen.

This will likely be your Wonder Woman.
http://www.killaweb.com/dvd/CHYNA.jpg
http://www.owow.com/RingsideWith/Chyna/Gallery%2D10/16.jpg

[Antonello Blueberry]

That's a man.

[jrpstarwars]

That's a man.

No, that's Chyna.

[jrpstarwars]

Just about any actress in this thread who was suggested by someone other than you.

I'm serious. It's gotten to the point where I'm having trouble believing you're serious. I've seen ridiculously sarcastic casting suggestions that have made more sense than most of the ones you claim are serious. That's right, Ron Perlman would be a better Wonder Woman than the people you've listed.

Liv Tyler is good enough an actor to do this. You can't envision it because she has done nothing like it before. Quit trying to be hip and mainstream by casting a newcomer.

[Antonello Blueberry]

No, that's Chyna.
Chyna was a man.

[jrpstarwars]

Chyna was a man.
oh really? prove it smart ass.

[Kebab gud]

google "Chyna" and "clit" ...

[Antonello Blueberry]

oh really? prove it smart ass.
http://www.gumgod.com/derek_china.htm

[jrpstarwars]

google "Chyna" and "clit" ...

Uh.... that's not a penis.

[Kebab gud]

her's is the size of one...

[jrpstarwars]

her's is the size of one...

But it's not.

[terry78]

Chyna has the body of a Terry Dodson drawn WW, but the face of a Rob Liefeld drawn one.

[dpm07]

Joanie Lauer aka Chyna is not a man. However, the choice of her is moot. It is very unlikely and improbable that she will be the next Wonder Woman. To entertain thoughts of her as Wonder Woman is foolishness and ludicrous.

Let's use this thread and valuable time to focus on genuine actresses or individuals that have a possible chance of playing Wonder Woman.

[blksuperman2]

Chyna was a man.


LOL. She's gotten a lot smaller. I remember when she used to be as big as Triple H.

[SufferingSappho]

Joanie Lauer is way too old, way too big, way too awkward and offensive looking, she's NOT Diana at all!!!

[SufferingSappho]

I'm hoping to see a wonderful Wonder Woman film and see her cast very well. My top favorite is the same as before...

1) Morena:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/mb3.jpg

2) Taylor:
http://www.taylor-cole.org/images/albums/appearances/unknown/eventone/normal_UNKNOWN1_002.jpg

3) Cobie:
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/breo_saighead/cobie3.jpg

[Brainiac 2009]

I'll echo that sentiment but given all the production delays, I'll be more inclined towards Taylor Cole at this point. Shes young enough to still play Diana if this project takes some years to pull itself out of the gutter.

[Brainiac 2009]

Heres clips of Taylor Cole on Supernatural:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO8UX16qX34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB-jdPuEWRM


As you can see shes got a really submissive girly voice, great for a girlfriend character, but shell need to change it up for WW.

[Majik1387]

Taylor Cole's pretty good for the role. But like Braniac said, she needs to change her voice a little.

[dpm07]

Taylor Cole would be a great choice, IMO. The girl did a great job on Supernatural, and had great chemistry with Sam. I wouldn't mind seeing her return for an episode on that show.

I think Taylor has the physicality, look, and talent to do Wonder Woman proud if given an opportunity.

[FVD]

I'm sorry but I just cannot see Liv Tyler as WW. To each their own I suppose.

[dnno1]

Wow, someone as smart as me. I think the actress that fills all needs and is right for the part is:

the 'look' - check
star power- check
young - check
skilled - check
tall - check
sex appeal - check

I miss anything?:woot:

The NO factor - check

[Steelsheen]

i really need to haul arse and catch an ep of Supernatural...

[Philly Phanboy]

I'm hoping to see a wonderful Wonder Woman film and see her cast very well. My top favorite is the same as before...

1) Morena:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/kissme_6/mb3.jpg


After all the times she's been suggested, I still don't get Morena's appeal. :dry:

[Philly Phanboy]

Over at IMDb I had my top 10 list and finding a few extra pics to go along with the names here they are...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/TaylorCole-1.jpg
Taylor Cole (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1543157/)
Age - 22 (Apr. 29, 84)
Height - 5'8 ½ (1.74 m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/CobieSmulders.jpg
Cobie Smulders (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1130627/)
Age - 24 (Apr. 3, 82)
Height - 5'9 (1.75 m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/M20187-1.jpg
Maitland Ward (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005533/)
Age - 30 (Feb. 3 77)
Height - 6' (1.83 m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/MichelleLombardo.jpg
Michelle Lombardo (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1723030/)
Age - 23 (Sept. 16, 83)
Height - 5'10 (1.78 m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/JessicaPare.jpg
Jessica Paré (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0664175/)
Age - 24 (Dec. 5, 82)
Height - 5'9 (1.75 m)

[Philly Phanboy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/AmandaRighetti.jpg
Amanda Righetti (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1119462/)
Age - 22 (Apr. 1, 84)
Height - 5'8 ½ (1.74 m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/KimSmith.jpg
Kim Smith (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0808990/)
Age - 23 (Mar. 3, 83)
Height - 5'9 (1.75 m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/HeidiMueller.jpg
Heidi Mueller (http://imdb.com/name/nm1430852/)
Age - 25 (Jan. 29, 82)
Height - 5'8 (1.73 m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/SarahLancaster.jpg
Sarah Lancaster (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0484178/)
Age - 26 (Feb. 12, 80)
Height - 5'8 (1.73 m)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Target-33/Temp/VanessaHessler-2.jpg
Vanessa Hessler (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2057064/)
Age - 19 (Jan. 21, 88)
Height - 5'10 ½ (1.79 m)

[jrpstarwars]

http://www.celebsandstarsnude.com/nude/liv-tyler/liv-tyler-018.jpg

She is just as talented, or more, than any of the above. She is a bigger name and draw. She IS sexy as hell.

[Philly Phanboy]

Well jrpstarwars, I made my list including the better suggestions from here and a few other forums of tall model/actresses that fit the criteria that they originally put out.

Right or wrong, one of the things WB wants for their actress is that her name should be more in line with a Brandon Routh - ie low profile/new to business and with no "baggage" that would detract from the character. Having a big name actor/actress isn't necessarily a recipe for success as there is quite a history of high profile stars turning these adaptations into campy boxoffice disasters.

[jrpstarwars]

Hmmm, Star Wars and LOTR worked with big names. So did Spiderman.

[Manic]

Please. Nobody knew who the hell Mark Hamill was before Star Wars.

[jrpstarwars]

Please. Nobody knew who the hell Mark Hamill was before Star Wars.


I was refering to the prequels.

[Manic]

And yet the original trilogy still worked with a cast of unknowns.

[JackBauer]

I was refering to the prequels.

and they were a huge steaming pile of crap. way to screw up your own point.

[bulok]

Right now Taylor Cole gets my vote aesthetically.
However as a Themysciran princess I would go for Morena Baccarin. she was quite regal in Firefly.

[jrpstarwars]

And yet the original trilogy still worked with a cast of unknowns.

Original concept, grouind breaking special effects...:whatever:

[jrpstarwars]

and they were a huge steaming pile of crap. way to screw up your own point.

That is a matter of opinion....

Oh yeah, how much money did those 'steaming piles of crap' make??? I have never seen nor heard of a 'steaming pile of crap' making any money, let alone a gazillion dollars.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Well jrpstarwars, I made my list including the better suggestions from here and a few other forums of tall model/actresses that fit the criteria that they originally put out.

I like your list, that's the direction they will probably go. Models or former models, hoping some of them can act too. We know that Kim Smith can't.
Vanessa Hessler was someone I suggested her after seeing her in person last year. She's really gorgeous.

[Red Mask]

Good grief, when I first mentioned Cobie here nobody bought it. Whedon drops her name and suddenly it's like she's the one. If casting is that easy then others can replace Whedon.

[Kebab gud]

Dont get me wrong .. i dont want her for the part .. but she does look like she wants it :P
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7250/12660camerondiazwmagazijg3.jpg

she would SUUUUCK .. she is a horrible actress.. but still... the pose/hair/eyes/braclet... damn

[jrpstarwars]

Dont get me wrong .. i dont want her for the part .. but she does look like she wants it :P
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7250/12660camerondiazwmagazijg3.jpg

she would SUUUUCK .. she is a horrible actress.. but still... the pose/hair/eyes/braclet... damn


Oh yeah, she want's it allright... and I'm gonna give it to her.:word:

[Lucid]

Oh yeah, she want's it allright... and I'm gonna give it to her.:word:
LOL

[Majik1387]

Dont get me wrong .. i dont want her for the part .. but she does look like she wants it :P
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7250/12660camerondiazwmagazijg3.jpg
she would SUUUUCK .. she is a horrible actress.. but still... the pose/hair/eyes/braclet... damn
I don't think she's horrible, and I would have never thought that she had the look down.
I like her, so I'd consider her.

[blksuperman2]

^ I've never been a fan of Cameron, but she is hot w/ black hair. She could be an awesome Diana if she had like 30 lines or less.

[batboy99]

whoa she really looks like an amazon in that pic!

[terry78]

That's Cameron Diaz? :eek: Damn....I don't know, man. I'm starting to reconsider.

[Kebab gud]

she is starting to look like the part yes.. but she need aLOT of acting classes and alot more fat

[Majik1387]

Wonder Woman needs no fat at all;.
What she needs is some muscle.
I'm fine with her acting.

[Kebab gud]

your fine with Cameron Diaz's acting? man have you EVER seen any of her movies.. its like a girlygirl fest in every one.. half the time shes giggeling

[Majik1387]

your fine with Cameron Diaz's acting? man have you EVER seen any of her movies.. its like a girlygirl fest in every one.. half the time shes giggeling
The majority of her movies are girlygirl fest movies. Of course she's gonna act like that.
She actually impressed me a lot with Vanilla Sky and she was pretty good in Gangs of New York(a movie I could really do without) and The Last Supper. And she was one of my favorite things from the movie The Mask.

[Kebab gud]

Funny thing .. you mention 2 early movies for her .. and thats funny because she gets worse for every movie she does..
in the starts she was .. ok.. she even had some fat on her bones back then..

The Mask and The Last supper where her first 2 movies...

PS: rest of the pictures from the photoshoot
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-01.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-02.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-03.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-04.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-05.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-06.jpg

In the first picture is rally only the mix of the serius look on her face, the hair, the eyes and the bracelet that makes her a posibility

[batboy99]

i dont think shes a bad actress,actually,i like her lol

[Majik1387]

Funny thing .. you mention 2 early movies for her .. and thats funny because she gets worse for every movie she does..
in the starts she was .. ok.. she even had some fat on her bones back then..

The Mask and The Last supper where her first 2 movies...

PS: rest of the pictures from the photoshoot
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-01.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-02.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-03.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-04.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-05.jpg
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-06.jpg

In the first picture is rally only the mix of the serius look on her face, the hair, the eyes and the bracelet that makes her a posibility
Add some more muscle(not fat) to her and you have a good candidate for Wonder Woman.

[Katsuro]

That is a matter of opinion....

Oh yeah, how much money did those 'steaming piles of crap' make??? I have never seen nor heard of a 'steaming pile of crap' making any money, let alone a gazillion dollars.

Lol, I think you need to take a look at some box office reports, my friend. Steaming piles of crap make buttloads of money all the damn time.

[dpm07]

I think Cameron Diaz is a really good actress. I've liked many of her films, and think she really illustrated solid talent in Gangs of NY, and also Vanilla Sky. She was very good in Being John Malkovich as well.

I think people should cut her a break. She's going through a tough time right now, and when it comes to acting, she really works with what she's given with regard to material.

She's not my first choice for Wonder Woman, or even my second, but I wouldn't be upset if she got the role.

She's definitely on my top 10 list along with Charlize Theron, Gwen Stefani, and Angelina Jolie.

[Crooklyn]

She's definitely on my top 10 list along with Charlize Theron, Gwen Stefani, and Angelina Jolie.
http://community.allhiphop.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif

[Antonello Blueberry]

After Gwen Stefani, everything is legit. Can I suggest Owen Wilson as Wonder Woman?

[blksuperman2]

http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0611/cameron-diaz-topless-w-02.jpg


Whoa, She's got some skinny chicken legs on her.:wow:

[SufferingSappho]

Wonder Woman needs no fat at all;.
What she needs is some muscle.
I'm fine with her acting.

You do know that a woman's breasts are made of fat? And Wonder Woman as always had breasts.

Cameron Diaz looks good in the photos, but she's too well known and too old for a origin story about a young Diana.

[Red Mask]

Alina Andrei is an interesting candidate.

http://www.stuntservice.com/alinaandrei/photo1.jpg


She's 5 feet, 7&1/2 inches tall. Worked as a stuntwoman with acting abilities. Her WW fan clip doesn't show much of her acting ability. But a fight choreographer won't be having many problems with her.

[fu manchu]

Good grief, when I first mentioned Cobie here nobody bought it. Whedon drops her name and suddenly it's like she's the one.

When did Joss say that Cobie would be his choice for Wonder Woman?
Any links?


However, I still would choose Morena Baccarin as Wonder Wonder. But I wouldn't complain if it was Cobie.

[Majik1387]

You do know that a woman's breasts are made of fat? And Wonder Woman as always had breasts.
I knew that boobs are fat but I wasn't being all technical. I've never heard a women say they're fat because of their boobs.
Cameron Diaz looks good in the photos, but she's too well known and too old for a origin story about a young Diana.
Well Joss Whedon is out of the director/writer's chair, so everything he wrote might carry on but some/all can change. So basically we're back to square one.
Cameron is the right age to be alongside Bale and Routh if a Justice League movie were to come around, and she'd bring an audience.

[dengueman]

Cameron Diaz = ugly...she's an ugly woman...


Alina Andrei is an interesting candidate.

http://www.stuntservice.com/alinaandrei/photo1.jpg


She's 5 feet, 7&1/2 inches tall. Worked as a stuntwoman with acting abilities. Her WW fan clip doesn't show much of her acting ability. But a fight choreographer won't be having many problems with her.
:up:

[Darth Elektra]

Cameron Diaz = ugly...she's an ugly woman...


Yea, I agree.

[zeptron]

Cameron Diaz isn't very attractive as she used to be. Back when There's Something About Mary came out she looked beautiful. What happened?

[Red Mask]

When did Joss say that Cobie would be his choice for Wonder Woman?
Any links?


However, I still would choose Morena Baccarin as Wonder Wonder. But I wouldn't complain if it was Cobie.

At the end of his blog he wrote "P.S. It was Cobie Smulders. Sorry, Cobes."

Not that it matters at this point.

[dpm07]

I think Taylor Cole is probably our best option at this point unless they want a better known actress, of whom I would probably suggest Jessica Biel if they go really young. Ideally, I'd like Morena Baccarin, but I think Taylor Cole has the best chance based on my observations.

One thing I would suggest, is someone who is not too old, and I would suggest they don't bring in little children into the film ie. Superman Returns. That really ruined the film for a lot of people I have talked to, and possibly contributed to its lackluster performance at the box office.

[toddly6666]

There are currently two Hollywood actresses who have awful pothmark skin, covered up in movies of course, but in real life it's really bad:
1. Cameron Diaz
2. Famke Jansen

Both actress are certainly not as good looking as they were in their prime. Cameron Diaz was only attractive in The Mask and Something about Mary. Her final sort-of-attractive movie was Charlies Angels 1, but go watch the sequel and you will see how harsh and skanky her face and body has become, especially with the way that director uses lighting and close-ups.

Famke Janssen certainly doesn't look as hot as she was in Goldeneye, but she is still more attractive than Cameron Diaz in film. But in real life, she has pothmark bumpy skin.

[terry78]

There are currently two Hollywood actresses who have awful pothmark skin, covered up in movies of course, but in real life it's really bad:
1. Cameron Diaz
2. Famke Jansen

Both actress are certainly not as good looking as they were in their prime. Cameron Diaz was only attractive in The Mask and Something about Mary. Her final sort-of-attractive movie was Charlies Angels 1, but go watch the sequel and you will see how harsh and skanky her face and body has become, especially with the way that director uses lighting and close-ups.

Famke Janssen certainly doesn't look as hot as she was in Goldeneye, but she is still more attractive than Cameron Diaz in film. But in real life, she has pothmark bumpy skin.

I'd still tap Famke though. She seems like she would just know some tricks.

[Steelsheen]

Famke Janssen certainly doesn't look as hot as she was in Goldeneye, but she is still more attractive than Cameron Diaz in film. But in real life, she has pothmark bumpy skin.

i noticed that, Famke looks so old in press junkets compared to when i first saw her in Goldeneye. i keep asking what the heck happened?

[green]

There are currently two Hollywood actresses who have awful pothmark skin, covered up in movies of course, but in real life it's really bad:
1. Cameron Diaz
2. Famke Jansen

Both actress are certainly not as good looking as they were in their prime. Cameron Diaz was only attractive in The Mask and Something about Mary. Her final sort-of-attractive movie was Charlies Angels 1, but go watch the sequel and you will see how harsh and skanky her face and body has become, especially with the way that director uses lighting and close-ups.

Famke Janssen certainly doesn't look as hot as she was in Goldeneye, but she is still more attractive than Cameron Diaz in film. But in real life, she has pothmark bumpy skin.

If you dont like Cameron Diaz, that's cool just say so but...
http://x17online.com/celebrities/cameron_diaz/cameron_drops_the_mask.php
papparazi photos, just taken, practically no make-up and she looks great.


oh and Biel should be WW.

[jrpstarwars]

Everyone seems to be favorable to Jennifer Connelly as Wonder Woman. How about this woman:
http://www.chrisruzin.net/images/uploads/denise-richards.jpg















She is Connelly +10 and she has proven she can play a tough gal.

[Selene]

Just for fun sake if this were to be made I'd choose a complete unknown, just for the fact there is nothing to compare them to, no comments on past movies no drama etc.

They'd be smart to do that
Just my two cents.

[jrpstarwars]

Just for fun sake if this were to be made I'd choose a complete unknown, just for the fact there is nothing to compare them to, no comments on past movies no drama etc.

They'd be smart to do that
Just my two cents.

I'm sick of the 'unkowns', it's become 'played out.'

[green]

Just for fun sake if this were to be made I'd choose a complete unknown, just for the fact there is nothing to compare them to, no comments on past movies no drama etc.

They'd be smart to do that
Just my two cents.

Really?
I feel pretty much the opposite. Considering the failed attempts made at female driven action movies, I think you're gonna need a name to fill some seats.

[mythicalheroes]

I know who will make a good Wonder Woman

This actress from "Pirates of the Caribbean Part 1, 2, 3 as Elizabeth Swan" Keira Knightley can make an awesome casting to play the Amazing Amazon.
She looks like her. This british actress can play the gladiator princess of greece.

http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgfp1605.jpg
http://www.greatkrypton.com/kc/characters/wonderwoman.jpg

[Kebab gud]

yea! lets cast a stick to play WONDER WOMAN!

[Antonello Blueberry]

Really?
I feel pretty much the opposite. Considering the failed attempts made at female driven action movies, I think you're gonna need a name to fill some seats.
Did names bring people to see Catwoman?
And they can always have name as supporting characters and villains.

[jrpstarwars]

Denise Richards might be just right for the part.

[green]

Did names bring people to see Catwoman?
And they can always have name as supporting characters and villains.

Out of the 80 mill it made worldwide, I'd bet alot of that was simply because of Berry. You think had it been an unknown it would have made more?
You're right though supporting cast could be names, but its not like Batman or Superman where the general public knows the villains.

I think they are gonna have a hard time selling no matter who is in the role, with a name I think you'll get more pull.

[Selene]

Catwoman was one of the biggest losers for WB, its cost almost double that to make. With the 100 million budget and the 30 million for advertising and marketing a bomb.

Having a big name attached means nothing. I would rather have a fresh actress to play the part, someone who does not bring drama or past roles. I want to enjoy the movie and not compare the actors to previous roles.

Superhero material is already known you do not need a name to carry a film with that big built in fan bases.
A name is normal only needed to get a film green lite or get a film made, if thats already in place its not needed.

[batboy99]

the only thing i dont regret about watching catwoman was berry in leather:o

[SufferingSappho]

Well Joss Whedon is out of the director/writer's chair, so everything he wrote might carry on but some/all can change. So basically we're back to square one.Well Joss said TPTB wanted to begin a series of films with a young woman and I'll bet that is so that Wonder Woman would not be in her 40s in the middle of the series. And it says Diana is barely twenty in the new spec script that Warner Bros bought. So I think that will not change.

Cameron is the right age to be alongside Bale and Routh if a Justice League movie were to come around, and she'd bring an audience.No she isn't, Diaz is older than both Bale and Routh and very muck looks it. Diana looks no older than Superman in the comics so why make her look it in a Justice League movie?

[Majik1387]

Everyone seems to be favorable to Jennifer Connelly as Wonder Woman. How about this woman:
http://www.chrisruzin.net/images/uploads/denise-richards.jpg
She is Connelly +10 and she has proven she can play a tough gal.
Denise Richards might be just right for the part.
Denise Richards, though beautiful, can't really act, especially in action roles. Shes pretty much like a Halle Berry to me. It is pure coincidence about them being the worst Bond Girls, but she really can't handle anythin kickass. She was all right in Starship Troopers but that's because her action was small and quick.
I know who will make a good Wonder Woman

This actress from "Pirates of the Caribbean Part 1, 2, 3 as Elizabeth Swan" Keira Knightley can make an awesome casting to play the Amazing Amazon.
She looks like her. This british actress can play the gladiator princess of greece.

http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgfp1605.jpg
http://www.greatkrypton.com/kc/characters/wonderwoman.jpg
yea! lets cast a stick to play WONDER WOMAN!
I love her as an actress, but I have to agree with Kebab here. Her body is like a twig, and her breasts are lacking for Wonder Woman. Just being blunt.

[SufferingSappho]

Everyone seems to be favorable to Jennifer Connelly as Wonder Woman. How about this woman:
http://www.chrisruzin.net/images/uploads/denise-richards.jpg
She is Connelly +10 and she has proven she can play a tough gal.

All Denise Richards has proven is that she's a rotten actress.

[jrpstarwars]

All Denise Richards has proven is that she's a rotten actress.


Yeah you're right. We are going to have to search long and hard to find an actress with the skill of Lynda Carter. With an impressive resume that includes cameos Super Troopers, Sky High, Dukes of Hazzard, and... yeah we better make sure the actress to play Wonder Woman has as much of a distinguished acting career as Lynda Carter.:whatever:

[Majik1387]

It's not the movies that you star in, it's what you do with your role. Lynda Carter played all her roles well, no matter how bad or juvenile the movie s.

[SufferingSappho]

Yeah you're right. We are going to have to search long and hard to find an actress with the skill of Lynda Carter. With an impressive resume that includes cameos Super Troopers, Sky High, Dukes of Hazzard, and... yeah we better make sure the actress to play Wonder Woman has as much of a distinguished acting career as Lynda Carter.

I know I'm right, I'm always right. :woot:

So you think it's acceptable to cast a bad actor in role because they cast a bad actor in the role 30 years ago?

Lynda Carter played Wonder Woman on a campy TV show in the 70s and it was very fun as a kid, but I hope this film well be taken more seriously like Batman Begins and Superman because they got very good actors to play both of them. And all of the films you listed Carter made after she played Wonder Woman.

[FVD]

Everyone seems to be favorable to Jennifer Connelly as Wonder Woman. How about this woman:
http://www.chrisruzin.net/images/uploads/denise-richards.jpg

She is Connelly +10 and she has proven she can play a tough gal.

I don't think so. Richards can't act. She also carries the tag of being one of the worst Bond girls of all time.

Connelly >>>>>> Richards.

[jrpstarwars]

I know I'm right, I'm always right. :woot:

So you think it's acceptable to cast a bad actor in role because they cast a bad actor in the role 30 years ago?

Lynda Carter played Wonder Woman on a campy TV show in the 70s and it was very fun as a kid, but I hope this film well be taken more seriously like Batman Begins and Superman because they got very good actors to play both of them. And all of the films you listed Carter made after she played Wonder Woman.

Richards is not a bad actor, she has more to live up to than most because of her sex symbol status.

Yes, this movie should be taken very seriously.:whatever:

And what was Lynda Carter in before Wonder Woman???

[mtd20_2000]

I'd go with Jessica Beil!......wasn't she leading the old poll?

[SufferingSappho]

Richards is not a bad actor, she has more to live up to than most because of her sex symbol status.
No, she's not a bad actor, she's a horrifically bad actor.

Yes, this movie should be taken very seriously.
Well, it well not be taken seriously at all if they cast a terrible actor like Denise Richards in the role of Princess Diana.

And what was Lynda Carter in before Wonder Woman???
Not much at all, she was an unkown with no baggage and a lot of people saw her for the first time and sew Wonder Woman, not so and so as Wonder Woman. And like Majik1387 said "It's not the movies that you star in, it's what you do with your role." and Richards has made a LOT of bad movies and a few OK movies, but she's been awful in all of them.

And this is not about Lynda Carter, this is about a new Wonder Woman film. They did not cast Christian Bale based on Adam West's version of Batman or Christopher Reeve based on George Reeves's version of Superman, they cast them because both of them are wonderful actors and they looked like the characters.

[Steelsheen]

And this is not about Lynda Carter, this is about a new Wonder Woman film. They did not cast Christian Bale based on Adam West's version of Batman or Christopher Reeve based on George Reeves's version of Superman, they cast them because both of them are wonderful actors and they looked like the characters.

damn right :up:

[ClarkLuther55]

Do people even think before they make these casting suggestions?

Denise Richards will be turning 36 in a few days. Production for this movie might not even start for another year or two, if it's even that soon. It will take another year or more to make the movie. Then the inevitable sequel will come out 2-4 years after.

Yeah, let's get a WW who will be in her 40s by the second movie. Who doesn't really look the part, is an unproven actress, and a mere C-List celebrity to boot.

Try to think about this beyond "Do I think she's hot?".

[jrpstarwars]

Do people even think before they make these casting suggestions?

Denise Richards will be turning 36 in a few days. Production for this movie might not even start for another year or two, if it's even that soon. It will take another year or more to make the movie. Then the inevitable sequel will come out 2-4 years after.

Yeah, let's get a WW who will be in her 40s by the second movie. Who doesn't really look the part, is an unproven actress, and a mere C-List celebrity to boot.

Try to think about this beyond "Do I think she's hot?".

That's why I said Liv Tyler, but no one can accept that she is most apt and qualified in all areas being considered.
http://www.cassiel.net/Galleries3/Liv_Tyler/images/Liv_Tyler_1.jpg

People need to face reality. Liv Tyler IS Wonder Woman. Not Morena Baccarin, not Cobie Smulders, not Jennifer Connelly. Liv it is.:woot:

[Dope Nose]

weren't you saying that Julia Roberts IS Wonder Woman a couple of pages back?

[jrpstarwars]

weren't you saying that Julia Roberts IS Wonder Woman a couple of pages back?

Yeah but I faced reality. I was alone in my opinion on Julia Roberts as Wonder Woman. At least I have some supporters on Liv Tyler. Besides, I didn't think of Liv until after I said that so you could say I changed my mind.

[ShadowBoxing]

Alina Andrei is an interesting candidate.

http://www.stuntservice.com/alinaandrei/photo1.jpg


She's 5 feet, 7&1/2 inches tall. Worked as a stuntwoman with acting abilities. Her WW fan clip doesn't show much of her acting ability. But a fight choreographer won't be having many problems with her.

I like it.