top most powerful marvel hero

[gammamega]

it your choice

[the defenders]

Living Tribunal
end of story

[iron_man7]

hulk maybe

[the defenders]

Are we barring cosmics
If so....I guess Hulk

[Sava]

Hulk

[Nathan]

Cosmic Spidey. :cool:

But guys, the question is "who is the most powerful", and not "who is the strongest".

So powerful means all around abilities. So, who is it? Black Bolt? Silver Surfer? Dr. Strange? To be honest, I've no freaking clue. So help me out here.

[Harlekin]

If we also count Cosmic characters, nothing can beat the Living Tribunal.

[Nathan]

Originally posted by Harlekin
If we also count Cosmic characters, nothing can beat the Living Tribunal.

Is he a hero? =/

[Harlekin]

Originally posted by Nathan
Is he a hero? =/
He's neutral so you could somewhat classify it as a hero, also as a villian, true, but I am leaning towards hero.

[Jugsy]

Originally posted by Harlekin
If we also count Cosmic characters, nothing can beat the Living Tribunal.

He above all;)

[Unthinkable]

Genis, but hes more of a crazy lunatic that does whatever the **** he wants..... But he would take Hulk, Wolvie, and Sabretooth at the same time.

[Franklin Richards]

My vote for the most powerful non cosmic hero, would be...

Reed Richards - Mr. Fantastic

...sounds weird I know, but think about it...

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Thanos]

Thanos.

[Franklin Richards]

since when is Thanos a "hero"?

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Johnny Blaze]

Since he's getting his new series, which starts in October by the way http://www.thereprieve.org/phpBB2/images/smiles/plug.gif , in which he takes a stab at being a white hat. Should be a very interesting read. ;)

[Franklin Richards]

Well if Hitler showed up fresh out of a time machine and said, "Hey everyone, I'm a Good Guy now!! Really! I'm gonna be a fireman now so be sure and trust me with your lives. Thanks and Heil Me!!", would ya call him a hero?? Not me. Same goes for Thanos. He eviscerated his mom to see where he came from for Pete's sake!!! :p

:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Spider-Hulk]

The most powerful hero in the MU is probably Living Tribunal, although with a name like that he dont deserve to be.

BTW where are the DOOP dopes?

[The Amazing Lee]

I guess, it's people's views on things. I'd say any of the characters which aren't from earth are the most powerful like Galactus and some of Silver Surfer's enemies.

[gammamega]

the most powerful heros

[the defenders]

Doop

[Nathan]

If he would be still alive, I would say X-Man.

[Batman23]

Im going with Cable, Professor x, or Phoenix

[Guyverjay]

This is sooooo obvious

Captain Marvel
King Thor
Silver surfer

No HEROES are more powerful than those guys

[Eyeballing]

didnt we have this thread already?

[Beyonder]

Actually, Owen Reese, otherwise known as Molecule Man, is regarded as one of the most powerful heros.
I would also say, Phoenix or the Silver Surfer.

[Union Jack]

king thor,silver surfer,hulk,gladiator,cap.marvel,sentry(he is supposed to be a bit on the powerful side..)

[Doctor Goblipus]

I'm going with Mary Jane Watson Parker because she has big boobies, and with those you can control just about anyone.

[newnoiseimage]

I'm going with Mary Jane Watson Parker because she has big boobies, and with those you can control just about anyone.

unless your gay, another woman or a unic. but nice try though.

[Doctor Goblipus]

Every Superhero has weaknesses

[Harlekin]

Actually, Owen Reese, otherwise known as Molecule Man, is regarded as one of the most powerful heros.
I would also say, Phoenix or the Silver Surfer.
Molecule Man can't really be considered a hero.

[KAD]

The most poweful in Marvel

Tie

Forbush man and Onoxio the clown.

[Harlekin]

The most poweful in Marvel

Tie

Forbush man and Onoxio the clown.
Yeah, just forgot all about Hindsight Lad why don't you! :mad:

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I was looking through Wizard and saw they had that stupid "Ultimate Power Level" chart or whatever. Ok, when I see these strength levels, it says "can lift x number of pounds". Ok, what is meant by "lift." I mean does that mean that if this amount of weight was laying on the ground, they could walk over, pick it up, and drop it back where they left it? Does it mean bench press? Dead lift? Squat? Leg press (which I don't think it can be, because if that was the case, I'd be as strong as Ultimate Captain Marvel)?

[Silver Sable]

Marvel has a few most powerful heroes so it's hard to say.I guess Doctor Strange is 1 of them since he has powers of magic

[Punisherfan13]

i dont really see a most powerful because if there was a such person in the marvel universe then this person would rule the universe

[BrianWilly]

Well, Thor during "The Reigning" pretty much did rule the world. So from amongst the heroes, Thor with the Odinpower controlled through rune magic would probably be the top dog. Too bad he's dead. When he gets relaunched he's probably not going to have all that extra godly power, which may be a good thing.

And then second in power after him would probably be Phoenix. She's been described as having infinite power and the capacity to "do anything." Which is kinda true, isn't it? Telekinetic control at the molecular level, and psychic capabilities surpassing Xavier's. Too bad she's dead, too. Or maybe she's not, according to Endsong.

X-Man's gone, but what about Cable? I'm actually not sure what his abilities are, at the moment. I read that he got rid of that pesky techno-organic virus, so shouldn't he be free to unleash as much power he has, which is quite a lot?

I read a bit of Captain Marvel's now-cancelled solo series, and it seemed almost as if he could just make whatever he wanted to happen, happen. I didn't really understand it. Must've been convenient. Also drove him crazy. Oops.

Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme: no single being in this entire world is a better magician than him. That's a lot of power, there.

And the Silver Surfer, for obvious reasons.

[rodhulk]

Given time, the Hulk. Others are strong, stronger than Hulk's base strength, but given time, you can't get stronger than somebody who has no limits. And that is the Hulk.

[rodhulk]

Then again, the Living Tribunal is said to be greater than all and therefore even if it were posssible that the Hulk could get more powerful, only if, then the Living Tribunal could defeat the Hulk well before hand (before the Hulk got that powerful). So I guess I have to say the Hulk, given time, but it could also be The Living Tribunal.

[Swift]

adam warlock.

the living tribunal is a bit too ambiguous to be considered a hero, same goes for galactus. although, personally, i consider galactus a hero.

[Still A ThorFan]

King Thor
Mighty Thor
Thor

[Dr.Fear]

spiderman

[TheCorpulent1]

I think King Thor from Oeming's "Ragnarok" arc and the Sentry should duke it out for the Marvel's Strongest title. They would annihilate basically every other heroic character.

[Ikaris-Eternal]

nobody's mentioned Franklin Richards...as far as pure ability, he's tops

[Soup]

gambit.

[silversurfur65]

Silver Surfer...just because !!

[XFanTim]

The Living Tribunal is the most powerful being, but no way in hell can you call him a hero. Even if you consider him good (and he's more neutral than good), that doesn't make him a hero.

I'd say King Thor and Silver Surfer should be near the top of the list. Phoenix only really exibited her greatest level of power when she was Dark Phoenix (not a hero) -- I don't think the good Phoenix is on the Surfer's level. (She held her own against Firelord, but Firelord is no Silver Surfer.)

I wouldn't call Molecule Man a hero either.

Franklin Richards probably deserves some consideration -- he's at least somewhat of a hero. He may at least have the greatest potential power level.

I don't know much about The Sentry, but he's been called earth's most powerful hero, so he probably makes the list. I also don't know much about Captain Marvel's powers, but if Guyverjay says he's in the same class as Silver Surfer and King Thor, that's good enough for me.

[Dr.Fear]

again spiderman

[Unthinkable]

Genis, Captain Marvel. When he's under control, he's very close to King Thor level, and definetly above Silver Surfer and Sentry. And the thing is, he can only get stronger with experience.

[XFanTim]

Genis, Captain Marvel. When he's under control, he's very close to King Thor level, and definetly above Silver Surfer and Sentry. And the thing is, he can only get stronger with experience.
So I take it this description (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainmarveliii.htm) is incredibly out of date?

Captain Marvel can absorb and channel cosmic energy stored in specialized enclaves within his cells. The Kree Nega-Bands he wears converts his psionic energy into increased strength, allowing him to lift roughly 15 tons under optimal conditions. The Nega-Bands also grant Captain Marvel increased resilience, interstellar flight, and the ability to survive, unprotected, in outer space. Genis and Rick Jones also possesses Cosmic Awareness which allows them to sense the presence of danger on a universal level. As a result of their Cosmic Awareness, both Rick Jones and Genis can perceive objects and individuals, presence of beings, and cosmic threats that are cloaked by invisibility or illusions throughout the universe.
Does anyone have a link to (or want to provide) a more up to date description of his powers?

[X]

It makes me sad. That, you know, this place hasn't got much more intelligent in the past year. :up: :rolleyes:

****ing Living Tribunal's a hero, give me a break. "I'm a multiversal, possibly omniversal force." Not exactly a hero per say, my friends.

[Unthinkable]

So I take it this description (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/c/captainmarveliii.htm) is incredibly out of date?


Does anyone have a link to (or want to provide) a more up to date description of his powers?

I'll just tell you...

He can manipulate time by will (bringing back his younger self to the future and conversing with them, going into the future and killing his son in a fight, just by willing to do that when the kid is a infant).

He can manipulate space by will (bending it to get on to Shiar warship undectected, and standing behind the Queen, unnoticed). More later. I gotta dig out the issues.

[Doomed_hero]

Sentry or King Thor. Silver Surfer I belive is right there and still has power to discover. I think he could become the most powerful being.

[gl_summers]

i think wolverine could cut anyones head off if he got close enough even galactus.

[XFanTim]

i think wolverine could cut anyones head off if he got close enough even galactus.
You are joking, I hope?

[X]

Sentry or King Thor. Silver Surfer I belive is right there and still has power to discover. I think he could become the most powerful being.

Silver Surfer's reached his limits, unless you want to count the alternate timeline Keeper. You know, normal Norin's beaten Thor about 4 times now, all clean wins. Effortlessy put The Hulk down more then once, reversed 5-D Imp tampering of any entire, giant city, owning The Cyborg (Hank Heenshaw) pretty good, yadda yadda yadda.

[X]

i think wolverine could cut anyones head off if he got close enough even galactus.

They already met. Wolverine went at Galactus as hard as he could, Galactus didn't even notice him, and Wolverine hurt himself, bad.

[portland2002]

Phoenix.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Me.

[Gamma Warrior]

My man Hulk he has yet to reach his limit's and i dont mean strength wise.He hasnt learnd of all his powers yet.

[Saph]

God, in that recent FF story where they went to heaven. He could rub out anybody with his pencil eraser. He was in the form of Jack kirby.

[Genis-vell]

I'd go with the Surfer, as downright powerful hero, I think King Thor was perhaps a tad too brief (Althought he did own just about everyone, starting with The Thing and Hulk for breakfast, Perrikus for lunch and Desak (The godkiller + the destroyer armour!) for supper.) He was a tad hard.


Captain Marvel got a massive power boost with Peter Davids last run, if I remember correcly, he ended up ending/killing eternity at one point. I think his power level reduced somewhat after he (allegedly) returned to sanity. He did some pretty mental stuff though while he was nuts (and not in the hard shelled, dried fruit kind).

[TheCorpulent1]

Aaaah, Genis killed Eternity with ENTROPY'S HELP!!! Why does everyone neglect to mention that yes, he killed a cosmic abstract, but he needed another cosmic abstract's help to do it?

[Unthinkable]

Aaaah, Genis killed Eternity with ENTROPY'S HELP!!! Why does everyone neglect to mention that yes, he killed a cosmic abstract, but he needed another cosmic abstract's help to do it?

It makes Genis sound better.

[X]

Aaaah, Genis killed Eternity with ENTROPY'S HELP!!! Why does everyone neglect to mention that yes, he killed a cosmic abstract, but he needed another cosmic abstract's help to do it?

Meh, Genis did next to nothing. He never held back either, being insane and all, take that into consideration. Hung with an early King Thor as well, that's about as impressive as he gets.

Phoenix.

The full blown cosmic entity? It's up there. It bonded with Jean, at times Firelord could hang with her, and Selene could beat her when she was sleeping. Meh.

[Genis-vell]

It makes Genis sound better.Hell yes!

Anyway, I took that bit as given, seeing as entropy and enternity are (technically) the same being he needed a nutter like the good captain to help kill enternity. Although I thought the schematics of this were a little hazy.

I apologise if that post made little to no sense - just thinking about that comic run bamboozles me somewhat!

Oh, I reckon the dude who mention Reed Richards being up there may have had a point. Although that argument could raise the dreaded issue of prep time. (Starts scrubbing himself furiously to get clean).

[TheCorpulent1]

Reed can outthink just about anyone, but I wouldn't call him the be-all and end-all of badasses. Unlike Batman, who can also outthink just about anyone according to some DC fans, he's not so outrageously paranoid that he constantly keeps himself protected from everything with about 100 contingency plans. You catch Reed working in his lab and hit him with a really powerful blast, he'll die before he even realizes it.

[X]

Reed can outthink just about anyone, but I wouldn't call him the be-all and end-all of badasses. Unlike Batman, who can also outthink just about anyone according to some DC fans, he's not so outrageously paranoid that he constantly keeps himself protected from everything with about 100 contingency plans. You catch Reed working in his lab and hit him with a really powerful blast, he'll die before he even realizes it.

Well, Reed one on one beat Dr. Doom in FF #200. Guys underrated, to say the least. And that was a brutal, awesome fight.

[rodhulk]

It makes me sad. That, you know, this place hasn't got much more intelligent in the past year. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

****ing Living Tribunal's a hero, give me a break. "I'm a multiversal, possibly omniversal force." Not exactly a hero per say, my friends.I admit, I also mentioned the Living Tribunal as a possibility along with the Hulk, I actually picked the Hulk, but I was actually probing into all the Marvel universe. If we go by just hero as the question does ask, then without a doubt, the Hulk. The Living Tribunal does not count as hero. Then again, some people may have a different defintion on hero than you and I and may in fact see the Living Tribunal as a hero in some way. And I think that's OK.

[X]

I'm not arguring against it, an opinion is an opinion, when I think of hero a three faced multiversal watchdog doesn't pop into my head, in all honesty.

Strongest? Yeah, sure, it's The Hulk. Silver Surfer however trumps The Hulk in just about every other way, and it's been proven more then once, SS has a clean win streak over The Hulk, 4 to nothing I believe. He's tougher (SS taken prolonged beatings from The Hulk, no problem at all. Then again, this is a being made by Galactus, he's plunged through stars, easy) Yadda Yadda Yadda. However, with the new, seemingly "adaptable" Hulk, I don't see a win over Norrin being impossible, as it seems he could get away from the dreaded gamma suck now.

[Aidan06]

couldnt the human torch just melt them al with super nova?

[Harlekin]

couldnt the human torch just melt them al with super nova?
Nope.

Welcome to the Hype btw, although we frown on reviving year old threads.

[TheCorpulent1]

Especially year old threads like this one. :(

[euroq]

Interesting, this thread has now been bumped twice after a year+ without new posts...

[Union Jack]

what about captain britain with the amulet of right and excalibur...with these he can remake the cosmos!!

[bkhedr]

non cosmic?

The Sentry

[XwolverineX]

Are we talkin' about power and just Might?

[pifpaf]

howard the duck ;)

[pifpaf]

odin he $%%? powerfull for a grapa

[pifpaf]

ok, I was looking through Wizard and saw they had that stupid "Ultimate Power Level" chart or whatever. Ok, when I see these strength levels, it says "can lift x number of pounds". Ok, what is meant by "lift." I mean does that mean that if this amount of weight was laying on the ground, they could walk over, pick it up, and drop it back where they left it? Does it mean bench press? Dead lift? Squat? Leg press (which I don't think it can be, because if that was the case, I'd be as strong as Ultimate Captain Marvel)?

shoulder press by old measure chart

[TheSumOfGod]

I guess Hulk is the most powerful. 616 Hulk, that is. He can punch through TIME. Galactus is pretty powerful too, though, but he was taken down once by the Thing being slingshoted into his face, so... :rolleyes:

[bkhedr]

yeah but that was a severly weakened Galactus, and he was only taken down so Reed Richards could save his life and go on trial for it.

Galactus is out of the Hulk's league

[TheSumOfGod]

Who's the most powerful then? And please don't mention God-like celestial entities who can destroy or create entire Universes with a single thought.

[Harlekin]

My bet's on the Surfer.

[bkhedr]

Well the Sentry defeated Terrax pretty easily and he's a former herald of Galactus, and the Void (who's also the sentry) broke every bone in the hulk's body

[Red X]

Silver Surfer

[ShadowBoxing]

Living Tribunal....and the theoretical "One Above"

Thanos possessed by "the Heart of the Universe" (virtually any being with it actually)

Galactus at full power may in theory also be the most powerful

[Furthermore]

Howard the Duck

Lock thread.

[X]

Living Tribunal....and the theoretical "One Above"

Thanos possessed by "the Heart of the Universe" (virtually any being with it actually)

Galactus at full power may in theory also be the most powerful

Galactus at his full power isn't even Eternity level.

High end cosmic? Yup. Above Eternity/Infinity/Oblivion/Death? Nope.

[Union Jack]

in all fairness the question was marvel hero..galactus and the cosmics (death,eternity,chaos,order etc) are not heroes.

i'd say Cap britain with his sword and amulet are up there,but they are just tools..without them he cannot do the cosmos reshaping.

other than him i'd say surfer or sentry.

[ShadowBoxing]

Galactus at his full power isn't even Eternity level.

High end cosmic? Yup. Above Eternity/Infinity/Oblivion/Death? Nope.Notice how I said in theory...yeah probably not...because in Theory at the end of the Universe Galactus may start the next one

And I do mean may. You see there are a lot of uncertainities that surround Galactus. One question is what happens when inevitably he consumes the entire Universe as is his destiny. Well one possibility is he survives to the next one as he is. Another question of course though is how many Galasti? have there been. Is this the first ever Galactus, or is it one in a long string of them. Its possible that the Celestials were all once Galactus like creatures and that this is his destiny. Yet another option, the one I was referring to is he may become a Universe elder (just like Eternity) and may be instrumental in creating the next Universe....this is substantiated by the ambiguous claim that " And why must Galactus survive? For, no matter how many worlds I devour... How many civilizations I destroy... It is my destiny to one day give back to the universe — infinitely more than I have ever taken from it. So speaks Galactus."

[32CAGE]

The Hulk

[J.R.]

Professor X

[X]

Professor X

As opposed to say, The Silver Surfer, who Chuck coulden't put down mentally? On top of his super nova taking durability, energy maipulation and projection, FTL flight speed, strength amping, the ability to basically tinker with life at will...

Yeah, Professor X is a great choice. Cripple to boot. :D

[TheCorpulent1]

He's not even the most powerful psychic.

[Silicon Surfer]

Phoenix, While she is a cosmic entity she is also a hero by virtue of the link to Jean Grey. The Phoenix seems to be part of a trinity along with eternity and Death. This probably places her above the Living Tribunal in power although she rarely taps into that much power. In the M'Kraan crystal she generated enough power to contain a neutron galaxy. this is way above any feat we have seen Galactus accomplish. If you exclude the Phoenix, then The Silver Surfer is probably next.

[X]

Yup. :o

Thor's a great choice that no one's brought up. Written well, him and The Surfer are dead even power wise.

[X]

Phoenix, While she is a cosmic entity she is also a hero by virtue of the link to Jean Grey. The Phoenix seems to be part of a trinity along with eternity and Death. This probably places her above the Living Tribunal in power although she rarely taps into that much power. In the M'Kraan crystal she generated enough power to contain a neutron galaxy. this is way above any feat we have seen Galactus accomplish. If you exclude the Phoenix, then The Silver Surfer is probably next.

Galactus has gotten into fights and destroyed large parts of the universe. Countless galaxies as the narratio stated.

Weak Galactus has also casually thought entire galaxies around. Up to par with manipulating a much denser galaxy? Nope. But he did it casually, and he was weakened.

[TheCorpulent1]

Phoenix, While she is a cosmic entity she is also a hero by virtue of the link to Jean Grey. The Phoenix seems to be part of a trinity along with eternity and Death. This probably places her above the Living Tribunal in power although she rarely taps into that much power. In the M'Kraan crystal she generated enough power to contain a neutron galaxy. this is way above any feat we have seen Galactus accomplish. If you exclude the Phoenix, then The Silver Surfer is probably next.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, there's never been any indication that the Living Tribunal is subject to death. He's not even technically alive, in my opinion; he's a being created solely for the purpose of acting as supreme arbiter on God's law, second only to God Himself. I'd say he's more powerful than Eternity, Death, and the Phoenix put together.

[ssj wolverine]

King Thor, Silver Surfer, and Galactus. The Hulk is nothing compared to them.

[Aidan06]

King Thor, Silver Surfer, and Galactus. The Hulk is nothing compared to them.

the hulk has no limits to strength and a healing factor, also, who do you guys think is the strongest NON cosmic character in marvel? (hero and villain)

[pifpaf]

god

[Wolvenom2099]

Hulk or Juggernaut

[herakles]

the hulk has no limits to strength and a healing factor, also, who do you guys think is the strongest NON cosmic character in marvel? (hero and villain)
The thread most powerful NOT strongest!!
I say King Thor, Odin, Zeus, then regular Thor (written right) and Silver Surfer

[THANOSRULES]

Hulk

[cajun2de]

Wizard Magazine article offered its opinion thatof all the super-heroes/heroines in any comic universe, Wonder Woman ranks #4, trailing behind Superman (#3), Thor (#2) and the Silver Surfer (#1) in overall power and abilities.

dis fact might b old but i think silver surfer tops all unless king thor is still arround

[Advocate05]

Non Godly:

Hulk

Godly:

Eternity

[Aidan06]

i didnt mean he was strongest but he gets stronger as he gets more angry, more adrenaline, meaning he can do more damage XD

[Aidan06]

who is the strongest non cosmic hero in marvel?

[Advocate05]

Originally posted by Aidan06

i didnt mean he was strongest but he gets stronger as he gets more angry, more adrenaline, meaning he can do more damage XD


Under those rules its ... Hulk.

I mean duh.

[comicbookmaster]

Spider-man"with great power,comes great resposiblity!!"

[Wolvenom2099]

It would be between Hulk, Juggernaut & Sentry.

[Brainiac 8]

Thanos...with the gauntlet

The Celestials are probably the most powerful though.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Living Tribunal's the most powerful, actually. Or whoever's got the Heart of the Universe if you want to count the crapfest that was Marvel Universe: The End.

[torkibe]

Currently... Silver Surfer. Near future... Maybe the Sentry. Never... The Hulk. I was never a Hulk hater until I joined this board and see how these fanboys so completely overrate the Hulk. I love the Hulk, but these guys are ruining it for me.

[X]

Currently... Silver Surfer. Near future... Maybe the Sentry. Never... The Hulk. I was never a Hulk hater until I joined this board and see how these fanboys so completely overrate the Hulk. I love the Hulk, but these guys are ruining it for me.

You feel that way too, eh? :o

I used to buy Hulk comics en masse from Ebay, stick up for him, frequent The Hulk forums... I was psyched about the movie.

Heh, funny what a few determined insane fanboys can do.

[PWN3R]

Howard the Duck

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolverine fanboys and some of Wolverine's writers have made me hate him. I was never a huge fan, but I could at least consider him an interesting character with some cool things going for him. When he went from scrappy underdog to godlike immortal I started to hate him, though. The fact that every fanboy on the Hype won't let anyone forget that Wolverine's done stupid **** like regenerated limbs in a second and had his face blown off without even flinching and stuff doesn't help.

[X]

Bah, **** it. :(

[pifpaf]

aunt may with is apple pie

[torkibe]

Wolverine fanboys and some of Wolverine's writers have made me hate him. I was never a huge fan, but I could at least consider him an interesting character with some cool things going for him. When he went from scrappy underdog to godlike immortal I started to hate him, though. The fact that every fanboy on the Hype won't let anyone forget that Wolverine's done stupid **** like regenerated limbs in a second and had his face blown off without even flinching and stuff doesn't help.

Ya mean like beating LOBO in a crossover? Or killing Silver Surver in a What if? Yeah, they really stretch it some times... Pretty soon him and the Hulk are gonna have a team up and take on LT. :rolleyes:

[X]

Every character has showings like that, Wolverine just gets picked on because on because he's a fanboy's dream and a popular character to boot.

[pifpaf]

please i think you all take this too much seriously please put some joke it just comic books not real life

aunt may with is apple pie she is the most powerfull for marvel hero stomach

english learner

[TheCorpulent1]

Comic books aren't real life? :confused:

[pifpaf]

just asking for more jokeComic books aren't real life? :confused:

[kiuju2k]

Strongest marvel hero? Franklin Richards when he was like I don't 4 or 5 before his power was capped by xavier.

[glenthalium]

I believe that Franklin Richards is now powerless. He apparently sacrificed his powers to save Galactus.

Thor is supposed to be Marvel's most powerful superhero (I believe that Stan Lee wanted it that way, but don't quote me on that because I can't find where I read it). It was recently announced that the Sentry is the most powerful. But at that time Thor was still dead. Hopefully now that he's been resurrected he will assume the role as most powerful.

No he's not as strong as the enraged Hulk, but he lifts over 100 tons. He's not as fast as . . . well I'm not sure (the marvel encyclopedia's scale show's him faster than Quicksilver was (for those of you who don't know, Quicksilver is no longer a speedster, he travels through time, to duplicate himself), but that also listed Nightcrawler as weaker than Jubilee). Early Avengers issues show him pulling off some agility stunts (when battling the Hulk) but he's not usually shown displaying his agility. He doesn't manipulate matter in the same way that Phoenix or the Eternals do. And yeah storm controls weather too, but Storm manipulates weather, she brings it from somewhere else (it has to be present in earth's atmosphere). Thor creates whatever weather effects he wants, and he doesn't require the concentration Storm does. He is also able to absorb any form of energy with his hammer, and then rechannel/redirect it. When he possessed the Odinpower (which is a really stupid word) he moved Asgard to above New York City I think it was. He's dented the Caps Shield, and then undented it. He can teleport, to other dimensions even (which I don't think the Silver Surfer can do) He survives unaided, probably indefinately although that hasn't been tested in space (which Superman can't do. By the way, in the movie, how did Superman get back to Krypton, and how did he leave it to come back to Earth? He needs the yellow sun to fly, and on Krypton he's like we are here, just smarter. Enough about that movie, but I can criticize it for probably close to an hour, and not just because it's DC. But I will leave you with this . . . The best (in this case best means most laughable) line in the movie was . . . "How much do you know about crystals?").

In the atrocity that was Marvel Zombies, the only moment I liked was when Zombie Thor smashed his hammer over the Silver Surfer's head, bringing down the Surfer to be devouerd by the rest of the zombies. I have nothing against the Surfer, it just irks me when he's portrayed as more powerful than Thor. Since everything in the Zombieverse is dead anyway, it didn't bother me too much that Mjolnir was broken, everything else was breaking.

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[Silicon Surfer]

Thor is durable enough to survive in space as long as he can hold his breath which is quite a while but he cannot survive indefinately. The Surfer can travel into other dimensions easily and he can also travel through time. Thors power over the weather has been stated to be much more powerful than Storms.

[glenthalium]

Thor used to be able to travel through time. But Marvel decided back-in-time traveling heroes created too many problems, and removed his ability to do so. I would guess that they haven't had the Surfer time travel since, but I have no real idea.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Rune King Thor is above Odin, so I´ll bet my two cents on him.

[rodhulk]

War Hulk.

[Mistress Gluon]

I believe that Franklin Richards is now powerless. He apparently sacrificed his powers to save Galactus.

Thor is supposed to be Marvel's most powerful superhero (I believe that Stan Lee wanted it that way, but don't quote me on that because I can't find where I read it). It was recently announced that the Sentry is the most powerful. But at that time Thor was still dead. Hopefully now that he's been resurrected he will assume the role as most powerful.

No he's not as strong as the enraged Hulk, but he lifts over 100 tons. He's not as fast as . . . well I'm not sure (the marvel encyclopedia's scale show's him faster than Quicksilver was (for those of you who don't know, Quicksilver is no longer a speedster, he travels through time, to duplicate himself), but that also listed Nightcrawler as weaker than Jubilee). Early Avengers issues show him pulling off some agility stunts (when battling the Hulk) but he's not usually shown displaying his agility. He doesn't manipulate matter in the same way that Phoenix or the Eternals do. And yeah storm controls weather too, but Storm manipulates weather, she brings it from somewhere else (it has to be present in earth's atmosphere). Thor creates whatever weather effects he wants, and he doesn't require the concentration Storm does. He is also able to absorb any form of energy with his hammer, and then rechannel/redirect it. When he possessed the Odinpower (which is a really stupid word) he moved Asgard to above New York City I think it was. He's dented the Caps Shield, and then undented it. He can teleport, to other dimensions even (which I don't think the Silver Surfer can do) He survives unaided, probably indefinately although that hasn't been tested in space (which Superman can't do. By the way, in the movie, how did Superman get back to Krypton, and how did he leave it to come back to Earth? He needs the yellow sun to fly, and on Krypton he's like we are here, just smarter. Enough about that movie, but I can criticize it for probably close to an hour, and not just because it's DC. But I will leave you with this . . . The best (in this case best means most laughable) line in the movie was . . . "How much do you know about crystals?").

In the atrocity that was Marvel Zombies, the only moment I liked was when Zombie Thor smashed his hammer over the Silver Surfer's head, bringing down the Surfer to be devouerd by the rest of the zombies. I have nothing against the Surfer, it just irks me when he's portrayed as more powerful than Thor. Since everything in the Zombieverse is dead anyway, it didn't bother me too much that Mjolnir was broken, everything else was breaking.

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Franklin's been powerless before, just to bring his powers back.

Sentry is probably going to stay more powerful than Thor, since they constantly portray him as more powerful than Thor. ((It's why Bendis doesn't use him, because they'd just send the Sentry after someone, and the battle would just end. No Avengers needed.)) Though I'll elaborate for kicks. The Void could eliminate the Hulk fairly easily in a physical "break all his bones" manner, where the Sentry doesn't seem to have much trouble beating the Void into submission with his fists.

Odinpower is not a stupid word.

Moving Asgard wasn't a huge feat when it's really just a magical spell that holds it away from Midgard. If you would put that with feats, he used a huge chunk of Odinpower to hold off a nuclear weapon.

And by all rights, normal Thor shouldn't have been more powerful than normal Silver Surfer. The way the Surfer is always portrayed, he shouldn't crushed Thor in a long battle.

And Mjlonir wasn't broken, but it was that Thor couldn't hold it because he was unworthy.

[Diamondhead]

since when is Thanos a "hero"?

:thing: :doom: :thing:LOL

[ShadowBoxing]

Mortal/Non cosmic entity:
Molecule Man, Thanos with Infinite Guantlet and Pheonix (Jean Grey)

Cosmic Entity: Living Tribunal, One Above All, Beyonder (before retcon)

[Venomfan]

hulk doesnt deserve to be mentioned here

[juggster-rules]

living tribunal

eternity

[herakles]

As I said earlier This thread is about overall power not strength, healing, claws. If written correctly Thor, Sentry, Silver Surfer would whip Hulk just based on the fact that they have more diverse powers available to them.


With That I say Rune/Odinpower King Thor, Mighty Thor, Silver Surfer, Sentry, Dr Strange, and Jean Grey.

As far as Living Tribunal, Galactus, Watcher, Celestials are concerned I feel that they are more forces of nature and thus neither Villians nor Heros. Take Galactus for example to the people who he ate their planet he is a villian but he does that for survival. I'm sure if he could go without eating planets he would. The others seem to act in manner that is considered above normal human comprehention. I just have a hard time understanding how those beings could be considered villians or heros.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Mortal/Non cosmic entity:
Molecule Man, Thanos with Infinite Guantlet and Pheonix (Jean Grey)

Cosmic Entity: Living Tribunal, One Above All, Beyonder (before retcon)
Since when did these guy's became heroes?
All there exept for Thanos are neutral, and don't have a side (villian/hero) due to the balance, if Living Tribunal was good than there would be no evil across the MU.

Alternate Future Full-potential Franklin Richards or Rune King Thor

[Sentry2005]

I believe that Franklin Richards is now powerless. He apparently sacrificed his powers to save Galactus.


What a frickin' waste of time that was :(

[Anubis]

Squirrl Girl

[Mistress Gluon]

What a frickin' waste of time that was :(


He's "sacrificed" his powers before. They'll be back.

[Mistress Gluon]

As I said earlier This thread is about overall power not strength, healing, claws. If written correctly Thor, Sentry, Silver Surfer would whip Hulk just based on the fact that they have more diverse powers available to them.


With That I say Rune/Odinpower King Thor, Mighty Thor, Silver Surfer, Sentry, Dr Strange, and Jean Grey.

As far as Living Tribunal, Galactus, Watcher, Celestials are concerned I feel that they are more forces of nature and thus neither Villians nor Heros. Take Galactus for example to the people who he ate their planet he is a villian but he does that for survival. I'm sure if he could go without eating planets he would. The others seem to act in manner that is considered above normal human comprehention. I just have a hard time understanding how those beings could be considered villians or heros.

Agreed. Though I don't know if Doctor Strange would be considered a hero either. He seems to forgo acting in the world unless it means something seriously bad threatens it. For the most part he just does his own thing, and ignores the rest. Though he did take over the world once as the Order alongside the Surfer. (And people ask if Tony could be forgiven for something that's really a point of view thing when people forgave Strange for taking over the Earth.)

And Thor, after ascending past normal Thor, basically decided he knew what was best for everybody, stopped acting on Midgard, and just did whatever it was he did. He did it in heroic means, but he definitely wasn't the hero he once was. You could liken him more to a dictator.

The Silver Surfer (assuming he's not under his serious upgrade) is the only one who really hasn't done anything contrary to being a hero aside from trying to be a villan, and helping take over the world as the Order alongside Strange.


And Jean Grey is just...out in space making some sort of picture with the stars or something. More or less Galactus level of operation, not really a hero anymore.


That said, the only super true power who's trying to do day to day heroic things would be the Sentry really.

[X]

Strange has saved the UNIVERSE more times than most heroes have saved the world.

[Silicon Surfer]

Much of what Strange does on a regular basis never gets seen by anyone except mystic masters. Among other things he is responsible for the maintanence of the various barriers that keep certain beings from going where they shouldn't. Jean herself is a hero but the Phoenix is an essentially neutral entity. This makes it somewhat hard to define her in human terms since much of her isn't remotely human.

[VenomXXXXL]

The Living Tribunal is the most powerful character but he's an entity rather than a human-like hero.

Speaking in terms of living, finite beings, I'd go with the Professor version of the Hulk.

[Father Wrath]

Wolverine!

[SSJ4_Mikael]

He's "sacrificed" his powers before. They'll be back.
Well Franklin still have his powers in alternate timelimes.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The Living Tribunal is the most powerful character but he's an entity rather than a human-like hero.

Speaking in terms of living, finite beings, I'd go with the Professor version of the Hulk.
The Living Tribunal (along with Eternity, Inbetweener and other comics eternities) begged the Beyonder not to destroy the MU: Multi-verse.
While he just ignored them.

[Mistress Gluon]

Strange has saved the UNIVERSE more times than most heroes have saved the world.

In that breadth, Thanos has saved the universe in a way no other hero could.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Wolverine!
HeEeLL YeAh!
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[hippy fascist]

wanda

[SSJ4_Mikael]

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/95078701518.111.GIF

[pifpaf]

character:aunt may
power:make the best apple pie to feed galactus to dead

[pifpaf]

bump

[KAD]

character:aunt may
power:make the best apple pie to feed galactus to dead

A What idf fan I take it.

[matowar]

i find it hard to believe that you people read comics at all. first off the if you count everyone in the entire marvel universe then we have to include everyone even if they were only mentioned. now if you marvel fans tap into the vast history of comics we can answer this question within the first few pages of warlock and the infinity watch (didnt see that coming did ya lol). yes its quite simple. warlock gets a little ticked off and, with the help of the infinity gauntlet, seemingly whipes out the higher powers such as galactus, the in-betweener, celestials, and a few others, but the living tribunal snaps his fingers and all is at it was. so at that instance we believe that the living tribunal is the most powerful, but wait, adam warlock asks "but how?" and the tribunal tells him that he answers to an even higher power! thats right the living tribunal whose power dwarfs that of all in the marvel universe admits that he answers to a higher power. now if you look in some of your old wizard price guides you will see that they say "living tribunal admits that he answers to God" so now i guess its an easy question to answer, God is the most powerful in the marvel universe.

[matowar]

i find it hard to believe that you people read comics at all. first off the if you count everyone in the entire marvel universe then we have to include everyone even if they were only mentioned. now if you marvel fans tap into the vast history of comics we can answer this question within the first few pages of warlock and the infinity watch (didnt see that coming did ya lol). yes its quite simple. warlock gets a little ticked off and, with the help of the infinity gauntlet, seemingly whipes out the higher powers such as galactus, the in-betweener, celestials, and a few others, but the living tribunal snaps his fingers and all is at it was. so at that instance we believe that the living tribunal is the most powerful, but wait, adam warlock asks "but how?" and the tribunal tells him that he answers to an even higher power! thats right the living tribunal whose power dwarfs that of all in the marvel universe admits that he answers to a higher power. now if you look in some of your old wizard price guides you will see that they say "living tribunal admits that he answers to God" so now i guess its an easy question to answer, God is the most powerful in the marvel universe.

[Anubis]

Duh :rolleyes:

Duh :rolleyes:

[lowly marvelite]

Marvel cites the Sentry as rivaling Phoenix and the Silver Surfer in power. So there's three. Thor has to be another, especially with the Odinforce recently conferred upon him. Dr. Strange has to be another. When you talk about superheros of this calber, it might be easier, through process of elimination, to look at which of the powerhouses has the most weaknesses. Surfer has none. Sentry is weakest in the negative zone. Strange is not invulnerable; neither is Jean Grey, etc...

[Cyrusbales]

hero - sentry

[Mistress Gluon]

Marvel cites the Sentry as rivaling Phoenix and the Silver Surfer in power. So there's three. Thor has to be another, especially with the Odinforce recently conferred upon him. Dr. Strange has to be another. When you talk about superheros of this calber, it might be easier, through process of elimination, to look at which of the powerhouses has the most weaknesses. Surfer has none. Sentry is weakest in the negative zone. Strange is not invulnerable; neither is Jean Grey, etc...


Rivaling the Phoenix and the Silver Surfer in power is almost like saying he rivals Thor and Captain America in power. More accurately, he rivals the Phoenix and Galactus in power.

[moraldeficiency]

i find it hard to believe that you people read comics at all. first off the if you count everyone in the entire marvel universe then we have to include everyone even if they were only mentioned. now if you marvel fans tap into the vast history of comics we can answer this question within the first few pages of warlock and the infinity watch (didnt see that coming did ya lol). yes its quite simple. warlock gets a little ticked off and, with the help of the infinity gauntlet, seemingly whipes out the higher powers such as galactus, the in-betweener, celestials, and a few others, but the living tribunal snaps his fingers and all is at it was. so at that instance we believe that the living tribunal is the most powerful, but wait, adam warlock asks "but how?" and the tribunal tells him that he answers to an even higher power! thats right the living tribunal whose power dwarfs that of all in the marvel universe admits that he answers to a higher power. now if you look in some of your old wizard price guides you will see that they say "living tribunal admits that he answers to God" so now i guess its an easy question to answer, God is the most powerful in the marvel universe.


Squirrel Girl could totally beat up God.

[lowly marvelite]

Rivaling the Phoenix and the Silver Surfer in power is almost like saying he rivals Thor and Captain America in power. More accurately, he rivals the Phoenix and Galactus in power.
No. I am quoting Marvel's website. Rival. That is your word to look up in the dictionary today. Then you would understand with power like the Silver Surfer's, Captain America draws a blank when comparing Sentry to Silver Surfer; sorry doll, not even in the same ball park.

[Mistress Gluon]

No. I am quoting Marvel's website. Rival. That is your word to look up in the dictionary today. Then you would understand with power like the Silver Surfer's, Captain America draws a blank when comparing Sentry to Silver Surfer; sorry doll, not even in the same ball park.

Feeling a little insecure, are we?


Kind of like I just attacked you out of left field?


Your task for today is to learn reason and logical observation. First, take a few logic courses, sit and think, learn to visually observe things, and commit them to memory. THEN we go to the phase of combining them.

Wanna little hint how combining them works? Sure, no problem, I love this stuff.

First, you look at what I said and what you said. Second, we take a moment to think about what it is you said and I said. Third, we make logical extractions of the possibilities of what I have said in response to your comment. Now, I DO realize in order for this to work, you need more information to work with concerning me, or else it becomes this distant logic presumption, to the point that it MUST be biased and such.

However, since I post SO much around here, I just can't see how you haven't come across how I address people over and over and over.

So here is what you need to do, rather than what you just did. Step back, not assume you're king of the hill for two seconds, use reading comprehension (which is so ungodly important, I can't stress it enough), relate the information correctly back against me:

Quick example, had it been me attacking you, I would've said:

"Don't read too many comics about the cosmics, eh? I'm just curious, because I wouldn't expect someone to use two comparisons on the opposite end of the cosmic power spectrum to define another character. Just saying."

But then again, attention has to be paid to things like this.

So I guess the real lesson is, don't shoot your mouth off Tex, unless you know what you're talking about, because all I did was correct the comparison. Whether you used it or not was absolutely irrelevant.

However, since we're ON the subject, if you're going to USE a comparison, I suggest using a good one, not one that's so obviously dumb, that most people who've at least heard of this wouldn't make it.

Wait wait, I can see it in your mind from the past. "But the official Marvel website published it..." Boo hoo. They also publish fifteen different levels of Spider Man's strength. So excuse me if I don't think they can keep quality control under their belts all that good.


Care to take another swing?

[Eros]

Dr.Strange is the most powerful.

[Mistress Gluon]

Doctor Strange is powerful, but most of the things he's done has been overpowered by other characters, for example, the Sentry.

[Eros]

Doctor Strange is powerful, but most of the things he's done has been overpowered by other characters, for example, the Sentry.


I still got to go with Dr.Strange, hes been around much longer, and has shown me alot more then sentry.

[Mistress Gluon]

While Strange is undeniably one of the top five most powerful humans on Earth naturally (meaning no extra equiptment, like a wand or armour or something), the Sentry has destroyed one of his spells through effort alone, (though granted, the Sentry's power may be psionic in nature, giving him the edge against the hypnosis spell), but still, technology originally derived to control the Sentry was being used in conjuction. Also granted, characters in that mini weren't exactly in place. For example, Terrax was in that mini, and he shouldn't have been.

[Eros]

While Strange is undeniably one of the top five most powerful humans on Earth naturally (meaning no extra equiptment, like a wand or armour or something), the Sentry has destroyed one of his spells through effort alone, (though granted, the Sentry's power may be psionic in nature, giving him the edge against the hypnosis spell), but still, technology originally derived to control the Sentry was being used in conjuction. Also granted, characters in that mini weren't exactly in place. For example, Terrax was in that mini, and he shouldn't have been.

as much as agree, Sentry is just to inconsistent, and im not sure if hes suppose to be a parody of superman, or just something else.Marvel should sit down, and decide where their takeing the character, and what he can and cannot do.

[Mistress Gluon]

I'd definitely say he's allegorical of Superman, with the over the topness that most people consider Superman to be. However, he's pretty much consistently written as just the pinnacle of power, to the point they have him sit out most of the time, or else the story would lack a climax. Like I've said before, he usually gets smacked once or twice, then either throws them into the sun, or hits them hard to where they're literally trying to ask him to go away.

[Eros]

I'd definitely say he's allegorical of Superman, with the over the topness that most people consider Superman to be. However, he's pretty much consistently written as just the pinnacle of power, to the point they have him sit out most of the time, or else the story would lack a climax. Like I've said before, he usually gets smacked once or twice, then either throws them into the sun, or hits them hard to where they're literally trying to ask him to go away.


so can he arm wrestle a enraged Hulk and win?

[Mistress Gluon]

If the Void is any indication of the Sentry's power, since they're alleged to be around the same level of strength (with the Sentry actually being the superior), the Hulk could be fairly fairly fairly mad, and the Sentry can do it.

[Eros]

If the Void is any indication of the Sentry's power, since they're alleged to be around the same level of strength (with the Sentry actually being the superior), the Hulk could be fairly fairly fairly mad, and the Sentry can do it.


we will see what happens in WWH, Sentry has to step in if Hulk if causeing Havok.

[Anubis]

Or he'll just sit there all indecisive and such.

[Mistress Gluon]

Yeah, I was gonna say, this wouldn't be the first time the Sentry didn't think his stepping in would actually help matters despite the widescale destruction involved, and just didn't fight.

[Anubis]

It's because if he does, he will have saved countless lives, and in the process, doomed countless others because of the Void's need to counter everything he does. Save a plane load of people, same exact amount is ripped to shreds by the Void. It's no wonder he can't bring himself to go outside most of the time. Interesting, but makes for a boring Superhero comic.

[Mistress Gluon]

The Void is a little inconsistent. When he's out, he tries to match or surpass the Sentry, but it's all about IF he comes out, which the Sentry does his best to avoid.

Bendis kind of wrote him weird, that he stays home all the time, and tries not to do things that put people in danger, where Jenkins wrote him as someone who goes out and does things all the time, as long as it didn't risk a Void breach.

[Anubis]

That's why I don't think they should have used him on mighty. he should have gotten an ongoing so one writer can foucs on just him and get his whole....thing together.

[Mistress Gluon]

A more indepth mini would've worked past the whole, "You are the Void" recognition we already knew about from the first mini.

I just wish we could get rid of the Watchtower and Stark tower being in the same place.

[Varient]

it your choice

Easy Answer.

1. The same Person Who Beat Doctor Doom.
2. The Same Person who beat The Manderian.
3. The Same Person who Beat MODOK.
4. The Same Person who Beat DeadPool.
5. The Same Person who Beat THANOS.
6. Probably THE ONLY FEMALE able to heft Thor's Hammer.

I'm just surprised she doesn't have a weekly series,.... folk are Tired of "Prep-Time Panther",.. They'd get tired of her whooping major villian butt that much faster.

[Mistress Gluon]

Squirrel Girl fits where she is RIGHT NOW. I'd hate to see her ruined in a more expansive series.

[Da_Joka]

Rogue. She can take anyone's power.

[ApocalypseX]

Let me end this discussion. You guys are hilarious, do your research. The most powerful character in Marvel is G-d himself: as said by the Living Tribunal one of the cosmic entities: the Fantastic Four were saying in a comic, "But who can defeat the all-powerful Silver Surfer?" and the reply from Living Tribunal was, "there is only one who can be called all-powerful and his weapon is love." Now besides G-d himself, next comes Mephisto, Beyonder and the cosmic entities such as the In-betweener, the Living Tribunal, Death(who is probably the strongest because he can virtually do or make whatever he wants happen, but he only appears when someone is dying), Lord Chaos, Master Order, and also (not a cosmic entity, but infinitly powerful).
Mephisto can do anything he wants except control human free-will (like G-d who chooses not to interfere with free will) The Devil (Mephisto) must have a human willingly submit to him in order to control their soul. He can do virtually anything he wants and someone like Jean-Grey or Franklin Richards couldn't dream of stopping him because he can just will their powers or way or whatever he so chooses. No mutant's power can work on him as he tricks Rogue into believing she can absorb his power. He nearly took Thor's soul but realized his soul would only cause him trouble as he revealed to Living Tribunal. Also nearly as powerful is The Beyonder whose powers rival all these guys forementiond (except G-d). Beyonder's strength is potentially unlimited, andThe Beyonder was apparently the most powerful being ever to exist in this universe (although he was not native to this universe), and hence could do virtually anything. The Beyonder could manipulate incalculable amounts of energy and create and rearrange matter on a planetary scale. He proved capable of obliterating an entire galaxy.
Then there are those omega level mutants starting with Galactus and Apocalypse. Apocalypse could have been the single most powerful mutant if he was able to control his power. His strength was incalculable and he could endow himself with any power. Galactus could use a portion of his enrgy and created omega level mutants such as Silver Surfer who have power cosmic (the most powerful force) rearranging molecules, telepathy and whatnot. Silver Surfer had many powers such as Class 100 strength ( like the Hulk, Hercules,Galactus, Apocalypse basically the strongest level of strength) and could detect energy from light-years away. His board was as indestructable as he was and responded to his mental commands. He could see through time and actually travel through it, and could reach speeds beyond the speed of light on his board. He has psionic powers and cosmic Awareness. Ghost Rider in one comic was riding through town when the Fantastic Four were fighting Galactus. He saw this and with one whip of his chain knocked Galactus out, and when Galactus recovered he promised not to devour Earth again. Yea so Ghost rider got his powers from the Devil/Mephistopheles(Mephisto is short). Mephisto has magical ailities different from superpowers from mutants and other beings in the Marvel Universehe can magically make whatever he wants happen and is a supernatural being. You guys could name others i left out.
So in short, Mephisto (who I believe is the Devil, I know he is a demon) controls "hell" (not the hell from religion or the hell of Pluto Hades) and Death, Beyonder, Living Tribunal, the other cosmic entities, and the Elders of the Universe have the most power excluding G-d who is mentioned and revered highly. Mr. Immortal also is probably the strongest human because he cannot die (unless Death or the Devil come to kill him), he is said to be known as He Who Remains because he will live until the end of the universe and learn its secret and form a group called the time keepers for the next Universe.
G-d is obviously the highest, then comes Mephisto (the legendary devil). I believe Beyonder is more powerful than all the cosmic entities even Living Tribunal because he could easily erase death from existence in the entire multiverse, he can be outside the multiverse and in the current universe is the most powerful being and also speaks for the One Above All(G-d). Molecule Man also entered the universe and repaired t with a finger when Beyonder destroyed it but he is said to have only a fraction of Beyonder's power.Then cosmic entities such as Living Tribunal, Eternity and Death (tied), The Elders of the Universe, and the other cosmic entities. Then Galactus, Apocalypse, and other omega level mutants (Vulcan, Franklin Richards, New Sun (who is Gambits evolved form) Iceman, Silver Surfer, and many others who i missed.) Living Tribunal lives in every universe at the same time and possesses limitless power and is the only one not affected by the infinity gauntlet the most powerful weapon. Death also cursed Thanos with immortality, Death and Eternity are next strongest After G-d, Living Tribunal, and Beyonder. Galactus also a cosmic entity and Apocalypse rank up there being the most powerful mutant in the Universe both also able to live forever but not immortal. Galactus has lived through one universes end and is now living in the current one. These cosmic entities are abstract and are only conceptual while Beyonder is real so he is stronger then them all, and yes even Living Tribunal.
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I did all this with a half hour of looking online and with my own knoweledge...

[ApocalypseX]

Again to make clearer Above The wacthers and elders of the universe (who are cosmic entities such as Death, Eternity, Living Tribunal, Uatu) is Beyonder and Molecule Man. But Beyonder far surpasses everyone in the entire multi-verse millions of times over because Molecule man, who has a fraction of ihs power, is inside otherwise Beyonder's power would be far greater than the Multiverse Billions of times over. Beyonder answers though to the One Above All (G-d) who is omniprescent and controls anything and everything there exist with no exceptions. So you have to exclude G-d from this discussion but otherwise Beyonder in the current Universe and then Molecule Man, and then Living Tribunal and the others follow. Beyonder and molecule man control their form, so woh they are and where they come from I don't know. Who else may be on their level I don't know either... but this is onl Marvel or I'd include SS4 Vegetto or Oozaru Brolly or something. So it goes G-d, Beyonder, Mephisto, Molecule Man, Living Tribunal, Death, Eternity, and so on. The Beyonder is a crossover and addition from 1984 so he isn't an original in the Marvel Universe and comes from a cosmic cube. Unless someone does more research thats the order in the Marvel Universe.

http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mmyy0.jpg Molecule Man after his fight with Beyonder
http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderimposinglimitsqn6.jpg The Beyonder is so powerful he imposes limitations on himself, so he ejoys doing what he does more rather then just making it happen, Beyonder can only be defeated if he allows it...http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b2fk6.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyonderisrealitydw2.jpg
http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondererasesarmiesworlds03tj3.jpg Mephisto complaining how Beyonder destroyed billions of gallactic races and his creation, Death, cannot give him the souls because it is as if they never existed.
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondermakesawagerwmephisto2yi3.jpg

[ApocalypseX]

The Beyonder is the sum total of a pocket dimension called the Beyond-Realm or simply "Beyond", hence the name "Beyonder". This dimension is accidentally accessed by nebbish lab technician Owen Reece. Part of the energy from the dimension escaped and imbued Reece with near-infinite powers, which he wielded as the villainous Molecule Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecule_Man) - potentially one of the most powerful villains in the Marvel Universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Universe). The remaining energy of the pocket dimension apparently gains sentience and curiosity. Using its vast powers, the Beyonder creates a planet called "Battleworld" out of pieces of various planets (one such piece being a suburb of Denver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver%2C_Colorado)) and abducted a number of superheroes and supervillains from Earth so that he can observe the never-ending battle between good and evil that rages within humanity at large.
In initially explaining the nature of the experiment to the involuntary participants, the entity identifies itself only as "I am from beyond." The name "Beyonder" is quickly applied by Galactus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus) and adopted by all others present. Galactus, sensing that the Beyonder could alleviate his perpetual hunger, immediately and aggressively charges into the Beyond-Realm through a dimensional rift, followed by Doctor Doom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Doom), who seeks power for his own purposes. Both are repelled, but the information gathered by Doom later enables him to use the body of the sound-based villain Klaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaw) as a medium to steal the energies of Galactus' Worldship and then the power of the Beyonder itself. With the Beyonder's power, Doom constructs a 200-mile high tower of golden stone as temporary quarters, and then stated that he has given up his ambitions for conquest, instead simply being content with freeing his mother's soul from Mephisto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephisto_%28comics%29). The Beyonder's consciousness then possesses Klaw's damaged mind and manipulates Doom into unconsciously squandering his power against the superheroes, distracting him enough for the Beyonder to steal his power back.

Beyonder comes from other Beyonders who manipulate his destiny, kind of doesnt make sense but yea. Galactus senses him and tries to steal his power.

here is a comic http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=147163
more info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyonder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Cube

[ApocalypseX]

Although not native to this dimension, the Beyonder was one of the most powerful beings ever to exist in the Marvel Universe. However, he was not omnipotent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence) as many initially believed, being an incomplete Cosmic Cube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Cube), with less raw power and the same limitations of a complete cube. Nonetheless, he possessed vast psionic abilities allowing him to manipulate matter and energy at a cosmic level beyond all but only the most powerful of cosmic entities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entities_%28Marvel_Comics%29). He once destroyed a galaxy on a whim to meet his needs during the first Secret Wars, though this may have been an illusion (Molecule Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecule_Man) did claim he re-created the stars while transporting the city of Denver and the Super-Villains back to Earth). He could endow himself with a corporeal form of limitless strength and endurance. He had the potential to reach near omniscience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience) as well, but he died before his mind could reach maturity. In the first Secret Wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars), he easily knocked back Galactus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus) who was trying to attack.
In the second Secret Wars, the Molecule Man at one point gathered up "much of the spare energy of the multiverse" and attacked the Beyonder with a blast that would have "slagged several billion dimensions". And, as mentioned, at the end, the Beyonder's energy explodes into its own universe, described as many times the size of the normal universe (a universe with four hundred billion galaxies of a hundred billion stars each.) How this meshes with other cosmic beings "letting him beat them" has not been fully explored, yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entities_%28Marvel_Comics%29

[ApocalypseX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Above-All

not to be confused with the ruler of the Celestials who has the same name, but he is G-d in the Marvel universe and the most powerful being and cosmic entity, the only one more powerful than the Beyonder ( infinitly more powerful). I also read in the cartoons Carnage from spiderman detonates a bomb that almost destroys the multiverse but when it reaches Beyonder he uses all his power to stop it and roll back time. Simliar to Te Presence for DC who is also Omnipotent. Beyonder is not Omnipotent his power is under the One Above All and TOAA (the writers i think?)
This is all PR Beyonder (Preretcon)
for you Jean Grey fans (Phoenix is a spirit or cosmic entity i believe)
http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsrachelds6.jpg
She musters all her power to make a Phoenix avatar and Beyonder doesnt even flinch
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervsrachel2kf1.jpg
Damn all he has to do is will it and no one can do anything, basically he is power absolute (under G-d but he is not omnipotent) he is kinda like the writer he can alter anything

http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mo2ds6.jpg when Beyonder first entered


The Phoenix Force is a manifestation of the Primal Force who is just a pet to True Living Tribunal
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltpf2ne5.jpg

Im confused but i think Primal Force ( which created the Phoenix force and Galactus) and True Living Tribunal can rival Beyonder's power since he is only half a cosmic cube...
all i know is the One Above All (G-d) is all powerful all omnipotent and omniprescent and Supreme Ruler

[Jono Starsmore]

CHAMBER.

there's your answer.

[ApocalypseX]

To fix something i said The Heart of The Universe is the most powerful item, then the cosmic Cubes, the Great Powers of The Universe, and Infinity Gauntlet in that order.

It says Living Tribunal is omnipotent which technically isn't true, but does this mean his power rivals Beyonder? Yet he trembled at the presence of The Beyonder... and only the One Above All is omnipotent.

Anyone know what Primal Force and TTOA is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Tribunal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_%28comics%29

[ApocalypseX]

Again stop naming insignificant mutants when It is already stated that The Beyonder, Living Tribunal, Mephisto, and Primal Force are top (after G-d aka One Above All not the guy from the celestials)

[Silicon Surfer]

ApocalypseX, your attempt is admirable and fairly complete but it is overly large and unorganized. You also have several errors. Franklin Richards is vastly more powerful than Mephisto and even as a toddler proved it by effortlessly defeating Mephisto in his own realm. The In-Betweener is not on the same level of power as Lord Chaos and Master Order who created him. The In-Betweener is at the bottom end of the cosmics and was easily defeated by Dr. Strange in their first encounter and had to be protected by the Living Tribunal in their second. The Beyonder was confirmed by Eternity as the most powerful being ever known. The Beyonder in turn said that the only being whose power was significant compared to his own was the Phoenix.

[moraldeficiency]

Let me end this discussion. You guys are hilarious, do your research. The most powerful character in Marvel is G-d himself: as said by the Living Tribunal one of the cosmic entities: the Fantastic Four were saying in a comic, "But who can defeat the all-powerful Silver Surfer?" and the reply from Living Tribunal was, "there is only one who can be called all-powerful and his weapon is love." Now besides G-d himself, next comes Mephisto, Beyonder and the cosmic entities such as the In-betweener, the Living Tribunal, Death(who is probably the strongest because he can virtually do or make whatever he wants happen, but he only appears when someone is dying), Lord Chaos, Master Order, and also (not a cosmic entity, but infinitly powerful).
Mephisto can do anything he wants except control human free-will (like G-d who chooses not to interfere with free will) The Devil (Mephisto) must have a human willingly submit to him in order to control their soul. He can do virtually anything he wants and someone like Jean-Grey or Franklin Richards couldn't dream of stopping him because he can just will their powers or way or whatever he so chooses. No mutant's power can work on him as he tricks Rogue into believing she can absorb his power. He nearly took Thor's soul but realized his soul would only cause him trouble as he revealed to Living Tribunal. Also nearly as powerful is The Beyonder whose powers rival all these guys forementiond (except G-d). Beyonder's strength is potentially unlimited, andThe Beyonder was apparently the most powerful being ever to exist in this universe (although he was not native to this universe), and hence could do virtually anything. The Beyonder could manipulate incalculable amounts of energy and create and rearrange matter on a planetary scale. He proved capable of obliterating an entire galaxy.
Then there are those omega level mutants starting with Galactus and Apocalypse. Apocalypse could have been the single most powerful mutant if he was able to control his power. His strength was incalculable and he could endow himself with any power. Galactus could use a portion of his enrgy and created omega level mutants such as Silver Surfer who have power cosmic (the most powerful force) rearranging molecules, telepathy and whatnot. Silver Surfer had many powers such as Class 100 strength ( like the Hulk, Hercules,Galactus, Apocalypse basically the strongest level of strength) and could detect energy from light-years away. His board was as indestructable as he was and responded to his mental commands. He could see through time and actually travel through it, and could reach speeds beyond the speed of light on his board. He has psionic powers and cosmic Awareness. Ghost Rider in one comic was riding through town when the Fantastic Four were fighting Galactus. He saw this and with one whip of his chain knocked Galactus out, and when Galactus recovered he promised not to devour Earth again. Yea so Ghost rider got his powers from the Devil/Mephistopheles(Mephisto is short). Mephisto has magical ailities different from superpowers from mutants and other beings in the Marvel Universehe can magically make whatever he wants happen and is a supernatural being. You guys could name others i left out.
So in short, Mephisto (who I believe is the Devil, I know he is a demon) controls "hell" (not the hell from religion or the hell of Pluto Hades) and Death, Beyonder, Living Tribunal, the other cosmic entities, and the Elders of the Universe have the most power excluding G-d who is mentioned and revered highly. Mr. Immortal also is probably the strongest human because he cannot die (unless Death or the Devil come to kill him), he is said to be known as He Who Remains because he will live until the end of the universe and learn its secret and form a group called the time keepers for the next Universe.
G-d is obviously the highest, then comes Mephisto (the legendary devil). I believe Beyonder is more powerful than all the cosmic entities even Living Tribunal because he could easily erase death from existence in the entire multiverse, he can be outside the multiverse and in the current universe is the most powerful being and also speaks for the One Above All(G-d). Molecule Man also entered the universe and repaired t with a finger when Beyonder destroyed it but he is said to have only a fraction of Beyonder's power.Then cosmic entities such as Living Tribunal, Eternity and Death (tied), The Elders of the Universe, and the other cosmic entities. Then Galactus, Apocalypse, and other omega level mutants (Vulcan, Franklin Richards, New Sun (who is Gambits evolved form) Iceman, Silver Surfer, and many others who i missed.) Living Tribunal lives in every universe at the same time and possesses limitless power and is the only one not affected by the infinity gauntlet the most powerful weapon. Death also cursed Thanos with immortality, Death and Eternity are next strongest After G-d, Living Tribunal, and Beyonder. Galactus also a cosmic entity and Apocalypse rank up there being the most powerful mutant in the Universe both also able to live forever but not immortal. Galactus has lived through one universes end and is now living in the current one. These cosmic entities are abstract and are only conceptual while Beyonder is real so he is stronger then them all, and yes even Living Tribunal.
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abstractsbegbeyonder2wr7.jpg
http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mo1ao2.jpg
I did all this with a half hour of looking online and with my own knoweledge...

Maybe you should do some research in reading the title of the thread. It says most powerful marvel hero. I don't think God or some cosmic being counts as a hero, but hey that's for all that pointless drivel.

[Varient]

(smirk)
SMH @ you guys.

HERO.

Not,.. cosmic, or part-time hero,.. or neutral.


geez.

[ApocalypseX]

Maybe you should do some research in reading the title of the thread. It says most powerful marvel hero. I don't think God or some cosmic being counts as a hero, but hey that's for all that pointless drivel.

Ok maybe you should think, and read the links before you reply to me... Beyonder is a hero... Living Tribunal as well is a hero when he deals with stuff that involves the universe(s)

[moraldeficiency]

Ok maybe you should think, and read the links before you reply to me... Beyonder is a hero... Living Tribunal as well is a hero when he deals with stuff that involves the universe(s)

Beyonder is BEYOND the concepts of good and evil, hence the name.

LT is like the universal referee for anyone getting out of hand. He balances, doesn't just do good or evil. They're irrevelant concepts to him.

Neither are heroes, but thanks for playing kiddo....

[Jono Starsmore]

Jesus, people are typing essays and going all hardcore with this.

I'm still sticking with Chamber, ;p

[Blaktin America]

Franklin Richards.

[Mistress Gluon]

Beyonder is BEYOND the concepts of good and evil, hence the name.

LT is like the universal referee for anyone getting out of hand. He balances, doesn't just do good or evil. They're irrevelant concepts to him.

Neither are heroes, but thanks for playing kiddo....


The Beyonder isn't named for that reason.

[moraldeficiency]

The Beyonder isn't named for that reason.

My bad, he was named for his home the beyond-realm. But only about why he's named, the concept of his character is still correct. He is neither good nor evil.

Hey thanks for that pointless research task.

[ApocalypseX]

Again read the links I posted, He is shown saving people's lives and being a HERO. But no, thank you for playing laddy

[ApocalypseX]

And Florida isn't that suny, you know it rains almost as much as London here. Every afternoon or so like clockwork. Let me also say, Galactus is a cosmic entity as well. There is also a link within the links I posted showing how the Phoenix Avatar (Jean Grey's force if you will) is only a pet to the Living Tribunal.

[ApocalypseX]

As for good guys excluding the cosmic entities and G-d. You have Vulcan, Iceman, Silver Surfer, Jean Grey, Mr. Immortal, Elixir, and others I'm sure I missed.

[moraldeficiency]

Again read the links I posted, He is shown saving people's lives and being a HERO. But no, thank you for playing laddy

Saving lives doesn't necessarily make you a hero any more then taking lives or imposing your will on others necessarily makes you a villian. The point of cosmic beings is that they are above our petty morals and ethics and have adopted their own.

[ApocalypseX]

ApocalypseX, your attempt is admirable and fairly complete but it is overly large and unorganized. You also have several errors. Franklin Richards is vastly more powerful than Mephisto and even as a toddler proved it by effortlessly defeating Mephisto in his own realm. The In-Betweener is not on the same level of power as Lord Chaos and Master Order who created him. The In-Betweener is at the bottom end of the cosmics and was easily defeated by Dr. Strange in their first encounter and had to be protected by the Living Tribunal in their second. The Beyonder was confirmed by Eternity as the most powerful being ever known. The Beyonder in turn said that the only being whose power was significant compared to his own was the Phoenix.

True my information may have been unorganized because while I was reading I kept adding and editing my post ot make it as accurate as possible. But You realize most of the cosmic entities aare faces on Living Tribunal's head. Oblivian, Hate, Love, Death, Eternity, Infinity I think are the ones.
And you are wrong, Phoenix's powers comes nowhere near the Beyonder's. Jean Grey used all her power to make a Phoenix avatar, which went looking for Beyonder. When it found Beyonder he was on an island looking at a flower, it attacked with everything it had. Beyonder didn't even turn around to see what it was. the Phoenix Force then said, "How could that not have affected you?" Beyonder replied, "because I did not will it." Beyonder can only lose if he allows it, that's how powerful he is. Any thing he thinks or wants will happen. Just read my link you'll see the comics. Also he says stuff like the only reason cows don't have wings i because he doesn't want them to. That's just to give you an idea of the kind of power he has.

And the Phoenix Force does not compare to Living Tribunal or The Primal Force from which it was created. TTOA

[moraldeficiency]

And Florida isn't that suny, you know it rains almost as much as London here. Every afternoon or so like clockwork. Let me also say, Galactus is a cosmic entity as well. There is also a link within the links I posted showing how the Phoenix Avatar (Jean Grey's force if you will) is only a pet to the Living Tribunal.

I could say it is called the sunshine state, I could say I was also being sarcastic but would it matter?

Galactus is a cosmic entity, he is also above good and evil. He is a necessatity. He eats planets but doesn't want to. Mass murder but he's also saved quite a few planets. Is he a hero or villian?

I'm pretty sure that link is from a what if? comic but what point does it make one way or the other. Cosmics entities aren't heros or villians they have roles they fulfill in the universal order.

[ApocalypseX]

Saving lives doesn't necessarily make you a hero any more then taking lives or imposing your will on others necessarily makes you a villian. The point of cosmic beings is that they are above our petty morals and ethics and have adopted their own.

While this is true, it doesn't change the fact that Beyonder's acts were still heroic. He did them willingly as to be heroic... He has to limit his own power which to me is pretty crazy. But again he was only an addition in the 1984 comics. But besides G-d no being is more powerful, yet what strikes me is in wikipedia it says he is the most powerful being in the current universe and he isn't omnipotent and that Living Tribunal is. All I know is that they both live on the outside of the multiverse, and Living Tribunal lives in every universe at the same time.

[ApocalypseX]

I could say it is called the sunshine state, I could say I was also being sarcastic but would it matter?

Galactus is a cosmic entity, he is also above good and evil. He is a necessatity. He eats planets but doesn't want to. Mass murder but he's also saved quite a few planets. Is he a hero or villian?

I'm pretty sure that link is from a what if? comic but what point does it make one way or the other. Cosmics entities aren't heros or villians they have roles they fulfill in the universal order.

This is true he does have a purpose, it says in a comic strip. Galactus was talking to him saying he must have survived the last universe's end to fulfill something. And he only saved Silver Surfer's planet because SS pledged his allegiance to him as a harold (his most powerful herald). And he didn't save Earth he just couldn't beat all the heroes and take it.

But you and I both know, living in Florida, that the "Sunshine State" is a pretty ironic name...

[ApocalypseX]

Then again, the Living Tribunal is said to be greater than all and therefore even if it were posssible that the Hulk could get more powerful, only if, then the Living Tribunal could defeat the Hulk well before hand (before the Hulk got that powerful). So I guess I have to say the Hulk, given time, but it could also be The Living Tribunal.

No matter how strong Hulk gets, Living Tribunal can make himself stronger... So can other characters

[ApocalypseX]

So I guess it's settled, debate closed?

[ArmyDragon92A]

I can't believe someone tried to put the Hulk over the Surfer

[ApocalypseX]

Some people are ignorant, Hulk isn't that amazing... Yes his rage makes him stronger but he can only go so far. He can't keep getting angrier... And yea Silver Surfer would rape Hulk.

[Mistress Gluon]

My bad, he was named for his home the beyond-realm. But only about why he's named, the concept of his character is still correct. He is neither good nor evil.

Hey thanks for that pointless research task.

My pleasure.

And he named himself the Beyonder in respect those who created him, and who he thought he originally was.

But yeah. He's more about...himself. Not really good nor evil.

[moraldeficiency]

My pleasure.

And he named himself the Beyonder in respect those who created him, and who he thought he originally was.

But yeah. He's more about...himself. Not really good nor evil.

Actually when I looked it up and asked about it, he named himself the beyonder because he is from a place called the beyond-realm. I don't have the comic stating this, but I'm pretty sure it's right. Normally I wouldn't nit-pick or really care, but you're the queen of exactness so I'm sure you can appreciate this.

[Mistress Gluon]

XD!! No, he USED to be that. Then he was a cosmic cube apparently created by them. And now he's an Inhuman. x.x

[moraldeficiency]

XD!! No, he USED to be that. Then he was a cosmic cube apparently created by them. And now he's an Inhuman. x.x

Right, but that doesn't change how he originally got the name.

[ApocalypseX]

Again I have to come in and straighten things out. He was half a cosmic cube, not a whole cosmic cube. And he lives in the beyond-realm yes but he spednds most of his time jumping around. And I actually read the comic which neither of you did. He does heroic acts on purpose to feel like a hero. He has no purpose in life because for him anything he wants he can have, he doesn't have to work for anything. So h goes to earth and becomes a hero and limits his powers on purpose so he can get some satisfaction out of his daily life. So yes he is a hero for the most part.

[lowly marvelite]

Some people are ignorant, Hulk isn't that amazing... Yes his rage makes him stronger but he can only go so far. He can't keep getting angrier... And yea Silver Surfer would rape Hulk.
Already has a few times hasn't he? Surfer rocks!! And, uh, oh yeah, he is Marvel's top dog...I mean, Stan Lee wouldn't turn over the writing of the original Surfer series for the first five years of its existence...the Surfer is Stan Lee's baby...

[ApocalypseX]

Surfer is Galactus's most powerful herald. Although he is an alien and not a mutant, he would be an Omega level due to the kind of potential he has, and he can actually control his powers and use them with dexterity. But there are more powerful beings out there...

[Silicon Surfer]

The Beyonder's name comes from his original reply as to who he was. He said "I am from Beyond" because it was literally true. He came from beyond space and time. There was no name for where he came from nor did he have a personal name at that time so it was the literal answer to the question. That reply was then shortened to create a name for him.

[ssj wolverine]

It is so great to check on this thread from time to time and seeing the list growing of heavy hitters that would make Hulk go home crying to his mommy. Can you say overrated?

[Ahura Mazda]

The Beyonder was originally more powerful then anything else including the LT but now he is no more then a cosmic cube or an inhuman mutant. His retconn sucked.

[ssj wolverine]

The Beyonder was originally more powerful then anything else including the LT but now he is no more then a cosmic cube or an inhuman mutant. His retconn sucked.

Question. The way the Beyonder is now, can he still beat Galactus with ease?

[phillip phonix]

Phoenix
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Magneto
Ice Man
Xavier
Dr Doom
Sue Storm
Thor
etc

[lowly marvelite]

Surfer is Galactus's most powerful herald. Although he is an alien and not a mutant, he would be an Omega level due to the kind of potential he has, and he can actually control his powers and use them with dexterity. But there are more powerful beings out there...
Yes, there are more powerful beings out there, several in fact, just not more powerful superheroes, including in the DC (and any other for that matter) universe. Although, with supreme effort, the Surfer beat Aegis and Tenebrous, two extremely powerful beings. I mean, even Galactus was like, "holy sh**!" The Surfer is an a**kicker. I can't believe Marvel's about to kill him off...sucks, one of the few Marvel heroes that could kick Superman's cheesy butt...

[ArmyDragon92A]

Yes, there are more powerful beings out there, several in fact, just not more powerful superheroes, including in the DC (and any other for that matter) universe. Although, with supreme effort, the Surfer beat Aegis and Tenebrous, two extremely powerful beings. I mean, even Galactus was like, "holy sh**!" The Surfer is an a**kicker. I can't believe Marvel's about to kill him off...sucks, one of the few Marvel heroes that could kick Superman's cheesy butt...
Theyre only killing him off because he's -too- powerful. He'll probably ascend into something beyond being the "Silver Surfer".

[Deadpool876]

Jeez, are u kidding? Who else?! WADE f***ing WILSON!!! :woot: :woot:

Well, it's gotta be Silver Surfer...my God, when I read about his powers, I thought this guy could kill Supes (ooops, sorry Super fans) in less than a minute. :wow: :csad:

[ApocalypseX]

And to think, the Surfer got all his powers from a minute fraction of Galactus's...

[Mikael]

Meh, Beyonder gets no respect fact is, he once was a hero.

When he become a hero though, the concept of hell was eradicated, all villains was defeated and all heroes powers restored.
-- All this with a thought.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6764/thingvsjuggernaut39wujy5.jpg

Also before Beyonder entered the Marvel Multiverse, Molecule man was the most powerful being, even the Living Tribunal agrees.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8489/mo2ds6st3.jpg

But of course it ended with Beyonder beating the crap out of Owen Rence (Molecule man)

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9265/mmyy0qu7.jpg

Beyonder makes the entire host of Marvel Abstract's to look bad.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7977/abstractsbegbeyonder2wrcf5.jpg

Beyonder threatening Mephisto that he will destroy the entire Multiverse, within 24 hours, poor Mephisto is forced to accept.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5722/beyondermakesawagerwmeplz4.jpg

Some scan's where Beyonder states the obvious.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8116/beyonderisrealitydw2nd9.jpg

[Mikael]

More scan's of Beyonder stating the obvious.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9011/b2fk6as8.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2332/b2ie8um4.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4893/beyondercontrolseverythhz4.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9358/beyonderisrealitydw2kt2.jpg

Reed confirmes that Beyonder could have caused the time stream to colapse all together, this would mean that there would be no begining to the Multiverse in the first place, that no event ever happened.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3324/beyondercouldshatterthenv0.jpg

Beyonder takes a full powered blast from the Phoenix to the face and he don't even flinch

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/8514/beyondervsrachelds6iv7.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/862/beyondervsrachel2kf1og1.jpg

[Mikael]

Beyonder beating the crap out of the Celestial's in hand to hand combat.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7103/beyondervscelestialsxv2ah1.jpg

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[Eros]

The beyonder doesn't count man, hes a cosmical force.

[Blacklight]

so isn't living tribunal and cap.universe

[ApocalypseX]

Someone finally understands Beyonder's power. Although in wikipedia it states he isn't omnipotent and that Living Tribunal is... Besides G-d, Beyonder may be top dog.

[fifthfiend]

The Beyonder was originally more powerful then anything else including the LT but now he is no more then a cosmic cube or an inhuman mutant. His retconn sucked.

I like to think of all Beyonder retcons as the Beyonder deciding to retcon his own origins and abilities, so he's an Inhuman as long as he wants his origin to have been that of an Inhuman. At some point he's perfectly free to say oh but you know what would really be a hoot, would be if I was actually a clone of the Hulk who got so angry that he spontaneously achieved omnipotence, and bam, he'll have and will have always had that particular ridiculous origin, up until he changes his mind again.

[ApocalypseX]

Beyonder was half a cosmic cube...

[FunBobPants]

surfer

[Mikael]

Someone finally understands Beyonder's power. Although in wikipedia it states he isn't omnipotent and that Living Tribunal is... Besides G-d, Beyonder may be top dog.
There is a differance, the Beyonder was only this powerful during the 80's when Jim Shooter was the editor, the whole concept of the Beyonder was to represent the powers the writers and editors had over the comic's, in other word, the Beyonder represented the editor.

Beyonder was half a cosmic cube...
No actually he has yet again been retconned, for his fourth time i might add, into a mutant, and inhuman mutant, which means that he's even weaker.
- A couple of years from now on he will probably end up being a human hobo or perhaps some kind of animal.

[funeman_5]

There is a differance, the Beyonder was only this powerful during the 80's when Jim Shooter was the editor, the whole concept of the Beyonder was to represent the powers the writers and editors had over the comic's, in other word, the Beyonder represented the editor.


No actually he has yet again been retconned, for his fourth time i might add, into a mutant, and inhuman mutant, which means that he's even weaker.
- A couple of years from now on he will probably end up being a human hobo or perhaps some kind of animal.

...and I shall hug him, and pet him, and call him Fifi.

[lowly marvelite]

I've said it before, I'll say it again...Surfer! End o' story!!

[ApocalypseX]

Beyonder yes represented the editors, but what about TTOA? We can all agree G-d is #1, yes?

[Silicon Surfer]

Beyonder yes represented the editors, but what about TTOA? We can all agree G-d is #1, yes?

No, the Beyonder is no. 1, Phoenix is no. 2 and this god you talk refer to is at best no.3 if that.

[SurfDUI]

The baddes MoFo in the Marvel U used ta be ME...the Consumer, then I got my ass kicked by gatefold, glow in the dark covers and the '90's....there for kids anyway:oldrazz:

[Mikael]

No, the Beyonder is no. 1, Phoenix is no. 2 and this god you talk refer to is at best no.3 if that.
What the hell? -- Phoenix isnt even in the top 20

[Mikael]

Beyonder yes represented the editors, but what about TTOA? We can all agree G-d is #1, yes?
Actually I would say.
Pre-retconned Amalgam Brothers >> TOAA = PR Beyonder

[Silicon Surfer]

The Phoenix was powerful enough to create an anti energy field that confined a neutron galaxy whose gravitation would have destroyed the universe. The Phoenix is feared by the Star Faring races as being capable of destroying the Universe itself. If it is capable of that it would have to be more powerful than all the other cosmics combined or else it would be a given that they would stop it. If it's inevitable that they would stop it nobody would be afraid that it would happen.

[Mikael]

The Phoenix was powerful enough to create an anti energy field that confined a neutron galaxy whose gravitation would have destroyed the universe. The Phoenix is feared by the Star Faring races as being capable of destroying the Universe itself. If it is capable of that it would have to be more powerful than all the other cosmics combined or else it would be a given that they would stop it. If it's inevitable that they would stop it nobody would be afraid that it would happen.
First off there are countless characters that have blown up the universe, multiverse and omniverse of Marvel.
#2 you're speaking of the M'kraan crystal, not the phoenix itself.

[Silicon Surfer]

No, the Phoenix itself has been shown to be powerful enough to destroy the universe. In a What If, which is a timeline split off of the main 616 universe and therefore identical except for the specific events, Jean lost control of the Phoenix and destroyed that universe. The last scene of that comic is the Phoenix destroying the Earth and expanding across the universe destroying everything.

[Mikael]

What if ...'s = non canon, other than that she have never preformed any feat like that, with an exception of White Phoenix.
Beings like Abraxas, Evil Molecule man, Insane Genis-Vell, Wanda, Meggan, Jim Jaspers, Fury, Braddock, Havoc etc. are far more powerful than any Phoenix has ever been and will ever be.

[funeman_5]

What if ...'s = non canon, other than that she have never preformed any feat like that, with an exception of White Phoenix.
Beings like Abraxas, Evil Molecule man, Insane Genis-Vell, Wanda, Meggan, Jim Jaspers, Fury, Braddock, Havoc etc. are far more powerful than any Phoenix has ever been and will ever be.

Both Marvel and Wiki (for all Wiki is worth) state that Phoenix is one of the Primordial forces of the omniverse, capable of cutting off or regrowing parts of a universe, and/or destroying it entirely. It cannot be killed by any means because it simply is reborn. Whether the others you've listed are more powerful is debatable.

[lowly marvelite]

Surfer!!

[Mikael]

Both Marvel and Wiki (for all Wiki is worth) state that Phoenix is one of the Primordial forces of the omniverse, capable of cutting off or regrowing parts of a universe, and/or destroying it entirely. It cannot be killed by any means because it simply is reborn. Whether the others you've listed are more powerful is debatable.
Link the Marvel page.