View Full Version : What's your religion ???
Bapman
09-04-2003, 10:06 PM
I just to get a religious perspective on the people here.
I am muslim and I read in "MATT's" post that how ppl trash the Cristian religion and get away with it.
Sooo just thought how many different religion we have here.
OK ENOUGH !!! STOP SAYING STUPID THINGS !!! JUST BE A LITTLE SERIOUS FOR ONCE OK ???
ImTheWombat
09-04-2003, 10:14 PM
Why is Ekim not up there?!?!!? What, you don't LIKE Ekim so you don't stick it up there. That hurts man, that hurts REAL bad
Illchill
09-04-2003, 10:14 PM
U should add they shouldn't post if they have something offensive to say, that is how these things get the lock.
black_dust
09-04-2003, 10:15 PM
Jedi
Illchill
09-04-2003, 10:15 PM
Christianity BTW.
snipe
09-04-2003, 10:15 PM
I vote independant.
Bapman
09-04-2003, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by ImTheWombat
Why is Ekim not up there?!?!!? What, you don't LIKE Ekim so you don't stick it up there. That hurts man, that hurts REAL bad
If it's a joke... then it's not funny...
If you're serious...
then errr... I am sorry ??? I don't know about EKIM ???
C. Lee
09-04-2003, 10:19 PM
Christian.....sub heading - Babtist
ImTheWombat
09-04-2003, 10:20 PM
Nah, its kinda an inside thing, my friend made a religion that actually makes sense for once. Its not really much of a religion but it only has one major belief that backs all of your other beliefs. I commend him for his intelligence in this idea he has created. Its actually quite simple, other people have probably said it, but he actually truly believes it. And now i do too
Bapman
09-04-2003, 10:21 PM
There is actually a RELIGION like that... it's called
"B'ahai"
I didn't think anyone followed that... that's why didn't post it.
Godlovinspidey
09-04-2003, 10:23 PM
You do realize its spelled with a 'p' though, right CLee? And I'm a Christian, in case you couldn't tell yet...
C. Lee
09-04-2003, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Godlovinspidey
You do realize its spelled with a 'p' though, right CLee? And I'm a Christian, in case you couldn't tell yet...
Yep....that comes from typing faster than I should....I'm at work at the ,moment, jumping on and off the site while doing my job.
Master Chief
09-04-2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Illchill
Christianity BTW.
Bapman
09-04-2003, 10:28 PM
What's spelled with a P ???
TheArtist
09-04-2003, 10:29 PM
Christianity-subtitle: WELS Lutheran
Clerk
09-04-2003, 10:30 PM
Christianity: Southern Bapist.
Jehuty
09-04-2003, 10:30 PM
Catholic
Mr.White
09-04-2003, 10:31 PM
I am an athiest. I do not believe in God, Allah, Jesus, Moses, Fartface, whatever you want to call them. I do believe that the Bible is one of the greatest Fiction books of all time.
Superboy
09-04-2003, 10:31 PM
Agnostic.
kypade
09-04-2003, 10:31 PM
Christianity
Sandman138
09-04-2003, 10:31 PM
And once again the Unitarian Universalists are left out of a religious poll...:(
I worship the beer god :)
Sandman138
09-04-2003, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Mr.White
I am an athiest. I do not believe in God, Allah, Jesus, Moses, Fartface, whatever you want to call them. I do believe that the Bible is one of the greatest Fiction books of all time.
Allah is just Arabic for god. Allah is the same G-d as Jehova and Yaweh (sp?). Allah is the same G-d that delivered the Ten Commandments to the prophet Moses, and the only big thing the three Abrahamic traditions dissagree on is whether Jesus was the Messiah and whether Muhammad was Allah's last prophet.
Mr.White
09-04-2003, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by Sandman138
Allah is just Arabic for god. Allah is the same G-d as Jehova and Yaweh (sp?). Allah is the same G-d that delivered the Ten Commandments to the prophet Moses, and the only big thing the three Abrahamic traditions dissagree on is whether Jesus was the Messiah and whether Muhammad was Allah's last prophet.
Whatever, it's all the same.
SuperDaniel
09-04-2003, 10:38 PM
No religion. I believe in god and i respect all relgions. However i believe the real religion exists inside all of us.
"Do not follow the name of Christ. Folow his path, his actions."
That's what i do. I fight to be a great and good person everyday. I do the best i can.
The Lizard
09-04-2003, 10:44 PM
Where's Smurfism?
Smurfists believe in communism with a single patriarichal figurehead leader. Marriages are polyandrous (one wife with multiple husbands). At all times the holy word "smurf" must be inserted into everyday speech. Strict limitations are placed on what kinds of clothing can be worn, as it must almost always be white cap and white pants with footies.
Come join the Smurfists! May the smurf of smurf be upon your smurf!
Sandman138
09-04-2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by Mr.White
Whatever, it's all the same.
God damn SECULAR HUMANIST COMMIE PINKO:mad:
GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY:mad: :mad:
:p :p ;) :D
Mr.White
09-04-2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Sandman138
God damn SECULAR HUMANIST COMMIE PINKO:mad:
GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY:mad: :mad:
:p :p ;) :D
If I had money, I'd probably move to Canada. But Canada does not have the same kind of show business as the US does. So I guess I'll have to put up with it.
TheAlmightyFuzz
09-04-2003, 10:48 PM
I'm agnostic, I don't believe in god, but the way I see it, there's no way I can really say that there isn't one. .....but I don't think there is. :p
Lighthouse
09-04-2003, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
I'm agnostic, I don't believe in god, but the way I see it, there's no way I can really say that there isn't one. .....but I don't think there is. :p
Same for me.
Bapman
09-04-2003, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Sandman138
Allah is just Arabic for god. Allah is the same G-d as Jehova and Yaweh (sp?). Allah is the same G-d that delivered the Ten Commandments to the prophet Moses, and the only big thing the three Abrahamic traditions dissagree on is whether Jesus was the Messiah and whether Muhammad was Allah's last prophet.
Interesting how most of the RELIGIOUS preacher don't know that.
BTW... by preachers I didn't mean the CHRISTIANS.
I meant JUDISM, CHRISTIAN and ISLAM.
I remember I asked one our preachers that what was wrong with CHRISTIANITY since JESUS is one of the prophets in out religion.
He said CHRISTIANS don't follow the religion properly... I mean what the hell ??? They have the bible... they follow THAT... that's what they are suppose to.
They goes on about bashing the JEWS and I am like wait... isn't MOSES also one of our PROPHETS ???
He comes up with some more bullcrap and I just leave.
Most of the religious people out there ARE like that... 90% don't know that
KRISHNA from HINDU religion is also one of the prophets.
BTW... to the person who said religions don't exsit... please explain... how 3 COMPLETELY seperate religion... found in three seperate places... which had no contact with each other...
Be so damn similar and be what you would call... a continuation of the ones before ???
Mr.White
09-04-2003, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
I'm agnostic, I don't believe in god, but the way I see it, there's no way I can really say that there isn't one. .....but I don't think there is. :p
Yes and the Catholics and the Christians cant really say or prove that there is one.
TheAlmightyFuzz
09-04-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Mr.White
Yes and the Catholics and the Christians cant really say or prove that there is one. Yeah, and about that, because I always get into it with people, and they just don't seem to get it. They KNOW for a FACT that there is a god, there's no doubt, HE EXISTS, and I'm not going to fight them about it! however, that doesn't mean he exists. ;)
Mr.White
09-04-2003, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by TheAlmightyFuzz
Yeah, and about that, because I always get into it with people, and they just don't seem to get it. They KNOW for a FACT that there is a god, there's no doubt, HE EXISTS, and I'm not going to fight them about it! however, that doesn't mean he exists. ;)
Just because there's a very old book written about a God, doesnt mean he exists. I could own a 100 year old copy of Catcher In The Rye, doesnt mean that Holden Caulfield exists.
Sandman138
09-04-2003, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Mr.White
If I had money, I'd probably move to Canada. But Canada does not have the same kind of show business as the US does. So I guess I'll have to put up with it.
Too true. I'm still giving heavy thought into moving out to Vancouver (sp? I always screw this one up) though.
ImTheWombat
09-04-2003, 10:58 PM
Ekim is basically whatever you believe in wil be what is real after you die. Its realtively simple
Bapman
09-04-2003, 11:02 PM
AGAIN !!!
To the people who said religions don't exsit... please explain... how 3 COMPLETELY seperate religion... found in three seperate places... which had no contact with each other...
Be so damn similar, have the same prophets and same god and be what you would call... a continuation of the ones that had been followed before ???
Mr.White
09-04-2003, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Bapman
AGAIN !!!
To the people who said religions don't exsit... please explain... how 3 COMPLETELY seperate religion... found in three seperate places... which had no contact with each other...
Be so damn similar, have the same prophets and same god and be what you would call... a continuation of the ones that had been followed before ???
How could everyone be in Different places at the same time then?
EDIT- I meant Different. :p
Lazarus440
09-04-2003, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Mr.White
Just because there's a very old book written about a God, doesnt mean he exists. I could own a 100 year old copy of Catcher In The Rye, doesnt mean that Holden Caulfield exists. but he does.
Lighthouse
09-04-2003, 11:05 PM
I sometimes wonder what would have happened had Emperor Constantine not converted to christianity. Would it be the still be dominant religion today?
Sandman138
09-04-2003, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Bapman
Interesting how most of the RELIGIOUS preacher don't know that.
BTW... by preachers I didn't mean the CHRISTIANS.
I meant JUDISM, CHRISTIAN and ISLAM.
I remember I asked one our preachers that what was wrong with CHRISTIANITY since JESUS is one of the prophets in out religion.
He said CHRISTIANS don't follow the religion properly... I mean what the hell ??? They have the bible... they follow THAT... that's what they are suppose to.
They goes on about bashing the JEWS and I am like wait... isn't MOSES also one of our PROPHETS ???
He comes up with some more bullcrap and I just leave.
Most of the religious people out there ARE like that... 90% don't know that
KRISHNA from HINDU religion is also one of the prophets.
BTW... to the person who said religions don't exsit... please explain... how 3 COMPLETELY seperate religion... found in three seperate places... which had no contact with each other...
Be so damn similar and be what you would call... a continuation of the ones before ???
Yeah it's funny. I just got back from an Interfaith camp sponserd by the ADL recently. Everyone up there was able to get it (although two of the Enons (SP?) that came up were a little too close to the Nation of Islam for some people's comfort) I just don't understand why it's so hard for others to grasp. I was reading the Qu'ran last night and I reread the Calf stories. These are useually used to say that Islam is anti-semetic, however while I was reading the story it struck me that the story was not condemmning the isrealites, only the ones who worshipped false idols and thus broke covonant with Allah. It warns Muslims to not try and believe that they know more than Allah and the Qu'ran. It is written in the Qu'ran that all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sabians, and all who do good go to heaven.
Bapman
09-04-2003, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by Mr.White
How could everyone be in Different places at the same time then?
EDIT- I meant Different. :p
JUDISM was founded in EGYPT... CHRISTISNITY in ROME
and ISLAM in ARAB...
and do you know non of them had contact with each other ???
Bapman
09-04-2003, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by Sandman138
Yeah it's funny. I just got back from an Interfaith camp sponserd by the ADL recently. Everyone up there was able to get it (although two of the Enons (SP?) that came up were a little too close to the Nation of Islam for some people's comfort) I just don't understand why it's so hard for others to grasp. I was reading the Qu'ran last night and I reread the Calf stories. These are useually used to say that Islam is anti-semetic, however while I was reading the story it struck me that the story was not condemmning the isrealites, only the ones who worshipped false idols and thus broke covonant with Allah. It warns Muslims to not try and believe that they know more than Allah and the Qu'ran. It is written in the Qu'ran that all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sabians, and all who do good go to heaven.
EXACTLY !!!... and if you read the books that are written about MOSES, JESUS and MOHAMMAD... you'll see they themselves also said that any good person will go to heaven.
Sooo is it just me or does it seem like most of the PREACHERS teach th wrong things ???
Mr.White
09-04-2003, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by Bapman
JUDISM was founded in EGYPT... CHRISTISNITY in ROME
and ISLAM in ARAB...
and do you know non of them had contact with each other ???
If a dude from Islam suddenly came up to you can said, "Dude I just saw this guy and he told me to believe in him and then there were all these voices in my head."
What would you do? You'd call him a nutter. All of them would hve to experiance it first hand and not by word of mouth.
esther moffit
09-04-2003, 11:33 PM
You're all a godless bunch and I love you all. :)
Lighthouse
09-04-2003, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by esther moffit
You're all a godless bunch and I love you all. :)
I'm not godless, I just plain don't know.
Bapman
09-04-2003, 11:36 PM
................... I get the distinct feeling that you have no idea how the religions where spread through people
All of them... had books... in the books... were the all the incidents that took place.
Now... how did the incidents from JUDISM... end up in the BIBLE... and how did THOSE 2... end up in the Q`ran... when non of them had any contact with each other.
The JEWS didn't get rid of JESUS... it was the people who didn't believe in him... and it wasn't NOAH's people who tried to kill MOSES... again... these are the people who worshipped IDOLS
Same with MOHAMMAD.
Sooo how do they have the same stories ???
Let me put it to you simply...
STAN LEE wrote spider-man...
How can the place where the people never heard or read it.... get a book that has the exact descriptions that of STAN LEE's writing... but a continuation.
Sandman138
09-04-2003, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by esther moffit
You're all a godless bunch and I love you all. :)
Just 'cause I burn question marks on people's lawns doesn't mean I'm godless.:o
Doomed_hero
09-05-2003, 12:06 AM
I have tried every reilgion, but found not truth, so i dont belive.
Lighthouse
09-05-2003, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by Sandman138
Just 'cause I burn question marks on people's lawns doesn't mean I'm godless.:o
So it was YOU!!!
Assassin32
09-05-2003, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by Mr.White
Yes and the Catholics and the Christians cant really say or prove that there is one.
That's what faith is, my friend.
And I'm Catholic.
Sandman138
09-05-2003, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by Lighthouse
So it was YOU!!!
Yes... and now not only I but the entire Gay Mafia and Liberal Media knows where you live. Muhawhawhaw.... now we shall use your house to push our gay agenda!:p :p :p :o
Lighthouse
09-05-2003, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by Sandman138
Yes... and now not only I but the entire Gay Mafia and Liberal Media knows where you live. Muhawhawhaw.... now we shall use your house to push our gay agenda!:p :p :p :o
Noooooo!!!! Those people are abominations of god...and as for the Gay Mafia, I don't know anything about them.
Bapman
09-05-2003, 12:16 AM
WOW !!! It's a tie between the TRUE BELIEVERS and THE NON-BELIEVERS...
HA! HA!... I so wanted to say this for a while !!! :D
Mr. Willy
09-05-2003, 12:46 AM
I just pray for world peace and end to hunger, especially for children and mothers of all races, religeon, nationality, etc. Put away our beliefs, we all bleed red, we are all human and we all share the same planet. Why can't we all see ourselves as citizens of the earth? What I piss in a river up in Canada will eventually make it's way to your local McDonald's tap water! Can't you see the connection? If a kid farted in Venezuela, his fart became a typhoon in Japan!
Bapman
09-05-2003, 12:52 AM
.................................................. .................................................. ....
Finally someone with some sense.
Wonder how come the so called "ADULTS" never see these ???
Mr. Willy
09-05-2003, 01:11 AM
They are ruled by greed and power. "...what man with power want, more power." - The Oracle from the Matrix: Reloaded
Lazarus440
09-05-2003, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Willy
I just pray for world peace and end to hunger, especially for children and mothers of all races, religeon, nationality, etc. Put away our beliefs, we all bleed red, we are all human and we all share the same planet. Why can't we all see ourselves as citizens of the earth? What I piss in a river up in Canada will eventually make it's way to your local McDonald's tap water! Can't you see the connection? If a kid farted in Venezuela, his fart became a typhoon in Japan! you got that from miss America!
Phoney Bone
09-05-2003, 06:32 AM
i'm epicapalian. don't make fun of me.
Dorian Gray
09-05-2003, 06:36 AM
I have independent beliefs
TheArtist
09-05-2003, 08:29 AM
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial; because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him."
James 1:12
~†~§iX~†~
09-05-2003, 09:54 AM
Yet another one of these threads, whose polls negate the classification of Satanism as a religion I see!......
I SEE SPIDEY
09-05-2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Lighthouse
I'm not godless, I just plain don't know. thats way they call it faith my friend thats why they call it faith.;)
I SEE SPIDEY
09-05-2003, 10:04 AM
damn typos
Mr Parker
09-05-2003, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by Mr.White
I am an athiest. I do not believe in God, Allah, Jesus, Moses, Fartface, whatever you want to call them. I do believe that the Bible is one of the greatest Fiction books of all time.
same here.damn when is all the name calling going to ensue when a religion debate starts like it normallyy does.:(
ILuvCyclops
09-05-2003, 11:27 AM
christainity :cyclops:
Sandman138
09-05-2003, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by ~†~§iX~†~
Yet another one of these threads, whose polls negate the classification of Satanism as a religion I see!......
I'm interested, I have found so many different definitions of Satanism, I was wondering what you practice.
Amalgamax
09-05-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by ImtheWombat
Its not really much of a religion but it only has one major belief that backs all of your other beliefs.
Originally posted by Bapman
There is actually a RELIGION like that... it's called
"B'ahai"
I didn't think anyone followed that... that's why didn't post it.
Hiya, Bapman. I'm a Baha'i.
I'm not really sure how Wombat's statement describes our teachings, though. What is the one major belief we Baha'is have that backs all of our other beliefs?
Alonsovich
09-05-2003, 04:32 PM
I worship myself...:)
Captain Dumas
09-05-2003, 04:50 PM
Catholic.
i'm not gonna argue any points or preach or criticize anyone or their beliefs or lack of, but, man, some of you are so ignorant and have such little knowledge about other faiths and beliefs that you trash it's incredible.
MC-117
09-05-2003, 04:53 PM
Im Roman Catholic.
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 06:21 PM
a lot of the people who responded above really worship Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion.
don't fall for her trap.
"Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues." (Rev. 18:4)
the defenders
09-05-2003, 07:00 PM
1)Buddhism is not a religion,It's a philosophy, and yes I am buddhist
2) I am a deist, I beleive there is a god but I also beleive organized religion is a massive brainwashing tool
3) Sandman, what do you have against commie pinkos, and.....I wanna move to Canada possibly, if bush is re-elected.
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 07:12 PM
what is organized religion?
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 07:18 PM
Most religious organizations have produced bad fruitage. It is not the fact that groups are organized that is bad. But many have promoted forms of worship that are based on false teachings (i.e.: Trinity doctrine, interfaith, mixing w/world politics, hellfire doctrine) and are largely ritualistic (Catholicism) instead of providing genuine spiritual guidance...; they have been misused to control the lives of people for selfish objectives (cults); they have been overly concerned with money collections and ornate houses of worship instead of spiritual values (any black Baptist church, any church that has televangelism, or huge steeples for no reason at all); their members are often hypocritical.
Obviously no one who loves righteousness would want to belong to such an organization. But true religion is a refreshing contrast to all of that. Nevertheless, to fulfill the Bible's requirements, which are God's requirements, it must be organized.
the defenders
09-05-2003, 07:20 PM
Well, deism started after Luther separated from the catholic church.
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 07:22 PM
does it exercise faith in Christ's ransom sacrifice for mankind?
does it incite it's members and others to love and fine works?
does it mix with political entities?
does it preach worldly tolerance of homosexuality and abortion?
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 07:23 PM
most importantly, do deists do what Jesus commanded his disciples to do at Matthew 24:14, which was to preach "this good news of the kingdom... in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations...."?
the defenders
09-05-2003, 07:43 PM
i never specified it was the christian god ......
i just said god
~†~§iX~†~
09-05-2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Sandman138
I'm interested, I have found so many different definitions of Satanism, I was wondering what you practice. I made up my own belief system which takes the majority of which from the Church of Satanism, which if you search online you'll be able to find many webasites, including the official one, detailing the exact beliefs of that religion.
It's funny in a sick kind of way. I just found that a friend of mine has died, and there is no religion on this world that makes that any easier to deal with!......
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 07:50 PM
there is only one God. yes, I know that's considered monotheism.
Oh, the Bible does mention other "gods", but mainly in the reference of false idols (wooden 'gods' made by man), angels and demons (worshipped with a reverence similar to God, and considered 'god' by man... again), and even Jesus Christ, God's only-begotten son, come to Earth as a man, was called a 'god' (unbeknownst to the one calling him such, an inaccurate assessment).
But there is only one God, he has a name, and it would really pain much of this world to find out the truth the hard way.
the defenders
09-05-2003, 07:52 PM
I think people use "god" as a way to explain what they can't. Humanity has been doing it for years. No one knows what happens after death so we use god t make us feel better.
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 07:54 PM
you're right. but then again, how did we get here?
(makes popcorn, gearing up for a loooooong discussion)
the defenders
09-05-2003, 07:59 PM
big bang .....yeah
its all science man
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 08:00 PM
d00d... don't cheapen the origin debate with that quick quip...
my popcorn isn't even done yet!!
the defenders
09-05-2003, 08:05 PM
ok
u go 1st then
spiderrasmon
09-05-2003, 08:07 PM
hold on.. I gotta tinkle...
the defenders
09-05-2003, 08:09 PM
lol
ok
i'm gonna look at some stuff on budhism to refresh
Max Shrek
09-05-2003, 08:12 PM
I am Christain(though not a demonination, because I have my own beliefs, and no Bible expert who thinks he's God's chosen one is gonna tell me different). Though if there's one thing I hate more than far-right insane Christains, it's Athiests who think that our religion is stupid, and we are stupid believing in it. I respect yours, why don't you respect mine(then again, with Christains like Jerry Faldwell and Mindworm, who could blame you?).
the defenders
09-05-2003, 08:15 PM
max shrek
i beleive the same as you
i think its official name is deism but im not 100% sure
Max Shrek
09-05-2003, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by the defenders
max shrek
i beleive the same as you
i think its official name is deism but im not 100% sure
Really? Okay.
Orko Is King
09-05-2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Max Shrek
I am Christain(though not a demonination, because I have my own beliefs, and no Bible expert who thinks he's God's chosen one is gonna tell me different). Though if there's one thing I hate more than far-right insane Christains, it's Athiests who think that our religion is stupid, and we are stupid believing in it. I respect yours, why don't you respect mine(then again, with Christains like Jerry Faldwell and Mindworm, who could blame you?).
Sandman138
09-05-2003, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by the defenders
1)Buddhism is not a religion,It's a philosophy, and yes I am buddhist
2) I am a deist, I beleive there is a god but I also beleive organized religion is a massive brainwashing tool
3) Sandman, what do you have against commie pinkos, and.....I wanna move to Canada possibly, if bush is re-elected.
I have very little against commie pinkos. Did you sense the dripping sarcasm or is my subtle humor too much for you? And Buddhism is a religion to many who practice it... some say Judasim is nothing more than who your mother is, others beleive it is upholding the Torah. There is more than one interpertation of these things.
Istari Wizard
09-05-2003, 11:46 PM
really I had no idea about the jewish thin
Rizmaster
09-05-2003, 11:49 PM
Christianity.
Have fun in Hell Athiests and Scientologists!
Otherwise, you guys all have a chance.
Silent Knight
09-05-2003, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Max Shrek
I am Christain(though not a demonination, because I have my own beliefs, and no Bible expert who thinks he's God's chosen one is gonna tell me different). Though if there's one thing I hate more than far-right insane Christains, it's Athiests who think that our religion is stupid, and we are stupid believing in it. I respect yours, why don't you respect mine(then again, with Christains like Jerry Faldwell and Mindworm, who could blame you?).
100% Agreed.
I am a Christian and I won't attack others beliefs because they don't match mine.I have my own interpretation of God.
the defenders
09-06-2003, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by Sandman138
I have very little against commie pinkos. Did you sense the dripping sarcasm or is my subtle humor too much for you?
your sarcasm makes me vomit:)
but you called green arrow a "godless commie pinko" and said he sucked on AIM
:( I like arrow, man
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by the defenders
your sarcasm makes me vomit:)
but you called green arrow a "godless commie pinko" and said he sucked on AIM
:( I like arrow, man
Well, he IS a godless commie pinko. I was just looking for an excuse to say he sucked because I don't have a valid one.
the defenders
09-06-2003, 12:49 AM
ok;)
Dr. Manhatten
09-06-2003, 02:13 AM
From that list, I'd say a christian, but I'm more of a half-christian, an Agnostic
Lazarus440
09-06-2003, 02:22 AM
John Lennon
Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us, Above us only sky, Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries, It isnt hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace...You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one, I hope some day you'll join us, And the world will be as one Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man, imagine all the people Sharing all the world...You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one, I hope some day you'll join us, And the world will live as one.
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 02:30 AM
My church sings that song alot.
Lazarus440
09-06-2003, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by Sandman138
My church sings that song alot. why? its about a world that doesn't have them in it.
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 03:19 AM
We're Unitarian Universalists...
Lazarus440
09-06-2003, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by Sandman138
We're Unitarian Universalists... and you do what?
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 03:32 AM
You mean besides burning question marks on peoples lawns?
Lazarus440
09-06-2003, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by Sandman138
You mean besides burning question marks on peoples lawns? yes, like is there any group sex in this religion of yours?
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by Lazarus440
yes, like is there any group sex in this religion of yours?
Well... there's nothing officialy saying you have to, but a bunch of YRUUs have group sex and other sex stuff.
Slang - J'C
09-06-2003, 04:00 AM
Hmmm yes... I wanna shout out to Mr White.
I pity you brother. I see the influence of oppression in your words and clueless ideals, as clearly as your souless 'agent' avatar. Its all too fitting, though I'm sure labelling your mechanical and blatantly non-spiritual nature escaped your intentions. One of the countless ironies in this world that have put a brief smile on my face, all of which I thank god for.
How can you and yours say we believers merely jump at a simple answer? I see reason where you see 'coinsidence', and I see creativity where you see fluke or 'evolution'. Our beliefs are the ones truely complicating pysical understanding... an understanding that has consumed you Mr White.
For the record, Im one of the 'no religion and I like it that way' votes. Which couldnt be true enough. I respect every religion for the grounds of which it began and thrives to this day, but I do not support any man made system of control. Or character regulation of any kind.
But those among us who blame religion for man's faults, or see any form of 'ignorance' in its ways should take a few perspective steps backwards. Those of you who live purely for pysical existence are the true fools, you have seleceted your god. And it is man's own blind advancements or 'government' for whom you have happily bent over and had your asses pumped full of lies, money, laws and all of your non-believing obsenities. You've been defiled and raped by a system that reaks of a demon's craftings.
Forgive any disrespect you may have interpreted, but its really my pity you have earned. Your minds have not opened yet, and may never until YOU -free of religion or influence- choose to see gods origional will in every aspect of the remaining gifts around us. I'm a tree hugging hippy and I'm ****in proud of it. What!
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 04:13 AM
Slang Jc,
For calling Mr. White from Resivior Dogs and "agent" you should be shot!
Slang - J'C
09-06-2003, 04:19 AM
Aight my bad, I aint seen the flick. But the imagry is all the same and my point still stands
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 04:25 AM
Lazarus440 and anybody else who's interested.
These are the seven principles of Unitarian Universalism
We affirm and promote:
The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
Basically other than these principals (and even these are loosly based, some of the anarchists don't like the one on democratic process in society at large) you can beleive whatever you believe to find your own spiritual meaning.
esther moffit
09-06-2003, 04:25 AM
meh. god's a big giant turtle. prove me wrong, *******s. :o
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by esther moffit
meh. god's a big giant turtle. prove me wrong, *******s. :o
Last time I checked, I wasn't a big giant turtle so.... you're wrong.
Slang - J'C
09-06-2003, 04:46 AM
esther moffit... there are meanings and foolishness alike in that small statement that you are completely unaware of. May you enjoy a bissfully blissfully happy life. And may the very image of karma coming to YOU on swift wings, bring tears to your regrettful eyes.
Have a nice day... bi'anc!
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 05:11 AM
I am an atheist and I also have no religious convictions.I am sure this thread is probably full of existential debates and whatnot which I would love to partake in but I am have not read through it yet.
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 05:16 AM
Adddendum:I am an AGNOSTIC atheist, according to the Huxlian usage.For those unfamiliar, agnosticism is NOT "I am unsure", agnosticism is the conviction that the question of God's existence is an insoluable one(re:unfalsifiable hypothesis in scientific terms).
esther moffit
09-06-2003, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Slang - J'C
esther moffit... there are meanings and foolishness alike in that small statement that you are completely unaware of. May you enjoy a bissfully blissfully happy life. And may the very image of karma coming to YOU on swift wings, bring tears to your regrettful eyes.
Have a nice day... bi'anc!
meaning and fooolishness? please, analize me, Slang, i double dare you. :o
as for yr karma comment -- please! i'm a good person, i help people. dont lecture me just because i dont succumb to yr impregnable ideology.
for a self-proclaimed "tree hugging hippy" you are sure are coming off as a very narrowminded, condecending *******. but you just might be worth my time, so tell me, professor, what's the haps? :o
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Slang - J'C
How can you and yours say we believers merely jump at a simple answer? I see reason where you see 'coinsidence', and I see creativity where you see fluke or 'evolution'.
Chalk this up to humanity's incredible capacity for pattern-recognition.We are pattern-seeking animals...an evolutionary adaption which likely helped us survive at some point but also leads us to errors in thinking.
To a UFOlogist, it is easy to find "evidence" of massive governemnet cover-ups of alien craft crashing in Roswell,NM.To a believere in psychics, John Edward seems to get precise details which he could not have known through simple cold-reading with amazing accuracy, even though this is patently false.To JFK conspiracy buffs, the shot Oswald made was not possible even though militarily trained marksmen laugh at how easy it would have been to make that shot.
We ALL find the evidence to support our presuppositions, whether that evidence actually exists or not.
Our beliefs are the ones truely complicating pysical understanding... an understanding that has consumed you Mr White.
For the record, Im one of the 'no religion and I like it that way' votes. Which couldnt be true enough. I respect every religion for the grounds of which it began and thrives to this day, but I do not support any man made system of control. Or character regulation of any kind.
But those among us who blame religion for man's faults, or see any form of 'ignorance' in its ways should take a few perspective steps backwards. Those of you who live purely for pysical existence are the true fools, you have seleceted your god. And it is man's own blind advancements or 'government' for whom you have happily bent over and had your asses pumped full of lies, money, laws and all of your non-believing obsenities. You've been defiled and raped by a system that reaks of a demon's craftings.
Is this a rant against government or people who dislike religion or ...what IS this about anyway?
Forgive any disrespect you may have interpreted, but its really my pity you have earned. Your minds have not opened yet, and may never until YOU -free of religion or influence- choose to see gods origional will in every aspect of the remaining gifts around us. I'm a tree hugging hippy and I'm ****in proud of it. What!
In other words you are a bigot.You feel pity for people different than you because you equate that difference with inferiority.
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by spiderrasmon
there is only one God. yes, I know that's considered monotheism.
Oh, the Bible does mention other "gods", but mainly in the reference of false idols (wooden 'gods' made by man), angels and demons (worshipped with a reverence similar to God, and considered 'god' by man... again), and even Jesus Christ, God's only-begotten son, come to Earth as a man, was called a 'god' (unbeknownst to the one calling him such, an inaccurate assessment).
But there is only one God, he has a name, and it would really pain much of this world to find out the truth the hard way.
You are simply regurgitating Pascal's wager here.PW has been thoroughly refuted a hundred thousand times but still the fallacious argument persists.
Without rational justification to support YOUR particular god-claim then your god is no more likely than ANY god to exist.Therefore, if it turns out that the God of Islamic terrorists IS the one true God or that Satan or some other trickster is the supreme ruler of the universe, then you are in at least as much trouble as any atheist and your choice to worship Yahweh will cost you as dearly as if you had chosen Vishnu, Odin or Eric Clapton.
Technically there are MANY gods that DO exist.Unfortunately none of them are supernatural.They are wooden idols, deified mad emperors and natural phenomenoae(i.e. the sun).In this context I am an atheist because I do not willingly worship anything as a god.
In the scientific sense I am an atheist becasue I do not believe in the existence of things which cannot be demonstrated to exist or whose existence is not rationally inferred.
Slang - J'C
09-06-2003, 06:19 AM
ok I'm not going to go into hella detail, but a giant turtle plays a significant part in a particular lil way of thinking that I'll assume your unfamilar with... just saying is all.
And I'd hope myself not worth the time of someone who goes out of their way to stir petty conflict against supreme beings and people with enough balls to show a little faith. For that reason I feel karma will make a stop for you. Not because your a bad person, after all who would I be to make that assumption. I'll admit, my comment may have deserved your witty 'oh please' reaction... but I choose to believe that those who proudly believe in nothing have set a bumpy road ahead of themselves. I believe esther, that you may find the truth upsetting once you discover it. I'm sorry, did that seem like a lecture to you esther? I apolagize.
Narrowminded? Hardly.
Condecending? Maybe a little... to those few special people that violate my tolerance. Me to you baby, mmwah!
And Lastly... Dont call me professor... it disturbs me
Slang - J'C
09-06-2003, 06:28 AM
Wow everybody wanna piece of slang eh Skeptic? Yeah I do kinda associate government with lack of spirituality... seeing as how its the biggest step of development away from any divine influence. No I aint no bigot. I'm a broke ass drug addict who raps and makes art to feed myself... I dont see much room for any more inferiority. My pity is completely bonafide, and I do feel you are missing a valuable part of life, the only part that has kept me going all these years.
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by Max Shrek
I am Christain(though not a demonination, because I have my own beliefs, and no Bible expert who thinks he's God's chosen one is gonna tell me different). Though if there's one thing I hate more than far-right insane Christains, it's Athiests who think that our religion is stupid, and we are stupid believing in it. I respect yours, why don't you respect mine(then again, with Christains like Jerry Faldwell and Mindworm, who could blame you?).
If it is one thing I have learned it is that resorting to name calling/ad hominems is no way to advance a position.However, i have also come to realise that if an atheist dares to point out fallacies in the logic/reasoning of a thesit's particular argument, they immediately begin jumping up and down screaming about how they have been slandered and abused.
You are right to say that attacks on the person are a no-no.However critical analysis of an argument or line of reasoning is completely fair game and you should not assume you are being called "stupid".I am not saying this is what you are doing.Maybe the atheists here ARE(unlike the overwhelming majority) abusive and unecessarilly disrespectful.
Again, no one is obligated to respect someone's beliefs in a debate about said beliefs/lack of beliefs.If someone comes here and tells me "God exists and he loves you" then I am fully within my rights to ask "WHy do you believe this?" and if they respond with logical fallacies and vaccuous, bald assertions about "the promise of Heaven" and whatnot then I am again within my rights to point out that their claim is not rationally justified.
If they attempt to convert me through threats of damnation I am right to say "Bollocks!".
esther moffit
09-06-2003, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by Slang - J'C
And I'd hope myself not worth the time of someone who goes out of their way to stir petty conflict against supreme beings and people with enough balls to show a little faith.
Having a little faith works for you, Slang, and that's fine but that doesn't work for everyone. Certainly not me and don't assume I don't believe in "nothing." You might believe there's only one road to all things but it never works that way.
As for my giant turtle comment, that was to show how anyone can proclaim anything to be the grand creator of it all and how difficult it can be to disprove it. It had no deep psychological attachment you can find in any book. It was just another ridiculous theory to a ridiculous concept.
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by Slang - J'C
ok I'm not going to go into hella detail, but a giant turtle plays a significant part in a particular lil way of thinking that I'll assume your unfamilar with... just saying is all.
"Turtles all the way down..." then?I am quite familiar ;)
And I'd hope myself not worth the time of someone who goes out of their way to stir petty conflict against supreme beings and people with enough balls to show a little faith.
Define "faith" since you introduced the concept.I am not being facetious here, it is just that I have heard a thousand people give me a thousand definitions of "faith" and it would seem that the one thing I can safely conclude about "faith" is that it is a subjective term lacking any sort of consistency.
And I never touch the stuff.
For that reason I feel karma will make a stop for you. Not because your a bad person, after all who would I be to make that assumption. I'll admit, my comment may have deserved your witty 'oh please' reaction... but I choose to believe that those who proudly believe in nothing have set a bumpy road ahead of themselves.
One does not "choose" what one believes or disbelieves.Try 'choosing' to believe in Santa Claus right now(after all you can always choose to switch back right?) and tell me how it works for you.I can no more control what my mind tells me sounds rational than I can control my skin color.The closest I can come is to LIE about what I believe/don't believe.
I believe esther, that you may find the truth upsetting once you discover it. I'm sorry, did that seem like a lecture to you esther? I apolagize.
How do you distinguish what is likely true from what is likely false?What methodology do you subscribe to adn can you provide examples of certain knowledge you have verified as 'true' or 'false' by this methodology?
Or are you simply making bald assertions about your own dogma?
Narrowminded? Hardly.
Condecending? Maybe a little... to those few special people that violate my tolerance. Me to you baby, mmwah!
And Lastly... Dont call me professor... it disturbs me
Must...resist...temptation....ARRRGGGHHH!!!
Slang - J'C
09-06-2003, 06:54 AM
um that was a post to esther moffit brother... regarding his earlier comments. But nice of you to join in. And if you read my earlier post I believe I made it quite clear that I acknowledge the fact no one can choose what they believe... but I think people can witness the evidence if they really want to.
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Slang - J'C
Wow everybody wanna piece of slang eh Skeptic? Yeah I do kinda associate government with lack of spirituality... seeing as how its the biggest step of development away from any divine influence. No I aint no bigot. I'm a broke ass drug addict who raps and makes art to feed myself... I dont see much room for any more inferiority. My pity is completely bonafide, and I do feel you are missing a valuable part of life, the only part that has kept me going all these years.
I could care less how you feel about the relationship of government to spirituality.What I am concerned about is that you seem to equate lack of spirituality with inferiority(or worse?).To do so, you must embark on a series of presuppositions...
1)You must presuppose that "spirit" or "spiritual things" exist.(here I am assuming by "spiritual" you are meaning the non-physical/supernatural usage).
2)You must presuppose the ultimate source of that spirituality to be "good" and that "goodness" to be some objectively definable quality.
3)Finally you must presuppose that lack of conviction in "spirituality" is equivalent to "not good" and deserving of "bad karma" adn such.
An awful lot of presupposition.
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by Slang - J'C
um that was a post to esther moffit brother... regarding his earlier comments. But nice of you to join in. And if you read my earlier post I believe I made it quite clear that I acknowledge the fact no one can choose what they believe... but I think people can witness the evidence if they really want to.
I realize who the post was dirtected at but I thought I would chime in anyway.Glad you don't mind.
What evidence can I scrutinise/choose to ignore please?
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by the defenders
1)Buddhism is not a religion,It's a philosophy, and yes I am buddhist
2) I am a deist, I beleive there is a god but I also beleive organized religion is a massive brainwashing tool
3) Sandman, what do you have against commie pinkos, and.....I wanna move to Canada possibly, if bush is re-elected.
1)Buddhism is a (mostly) atheistic religion.Like most religions it contains philosophical tenets/aspects.
2)Deists believe in a "God of nature" that set the ball rolling(Big bang) but does not continue interact with us mortals or answer prayers or any of that personal stuff.
3)IF Bush is re-elected, Canada will not be nearly far enough to escape the bungling ineptitude of Shrub.
BlackSymbiote
09-06-2003, 07:14 AM
I'm semi religious. I believe there is a God, but I don't like organzied religion. I mean seriously, Jesus was a poor man, he lived simply. God, for all his immense power, isn't a wealthy man either... so why do we have to worship in these expensive churches full of false idols (man's interpretation of what Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, and Angels would look like), especially when we are constantly told to pray for the less fortunate. You know, the amount of money that went into and still goes into the building and maintence of the church could probably feed a good amount the hungry, clothe the naked, and give shelter to the homeless.
Anyway, I'd thought I'd stir the pot a bit with a speech from a script I just wrote. In fact, I think this is a completely original thought because I've never heard anyone speak of it this way. This has been edited:
"Imagine if you, your life, your fantasies, your dreams, your desires, everything you chose to be, and everything you want to become were nothing more than lies? What if your status in life was permanent and there would be no breaking from it? In the beginning, God only created the Heavens. He created us, the Angels, and we lived in a paradise. But there was one power that God has no control over. That power of absolute opposites. For every good, there must be an evil. Before your history even began, an angel named Lucifer decided he didn’t want to be a citizen under God anymore. He decided that he was going to usurp power and take the throne. He even raised an army. They failed, and God banished him into what is called Hell. Absolute opposites. The ultimate good versus the ultimate evil. Lucifer was so enraged at being cast out of paradise that he continued to wage a war with Heaven. Unfortunately, both our sides were limited and both sides suffered heavy casualties. When God and Lucifer began to realize that their once vast numbers were now dwindling, the two met, for the first and only time. They decided that in order to continue the war, for each wanted absolute victory, they would need to build a plane of existence where they could harvest, at certain times, more and more souls for their armies. So they created Earth."
Slang - J'C
09-06-2003, 07:15 AM
lol its all delicious man... we could argue **** forever and no conclusion would we come to. And besides, I just put my all into those last couple posts... I dont think I could come close to outsmarting someone as educated as yourself. Congrats, I'd tell you to be proud but I think I'm too late.
Keep on keepin on but I do have one question... does your argument even have a point to prove? One that would actually mean something to me? Just as my point could never mean anything to you.
Slang - J'C
09-06-2003, 07:17 AM
and to avoid another mishap... that was for skeptic
BlackSymbiote
09-06-2003, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by Slang - J'C
and to avoid another mishap... that was for skeptic
I realize that. Message boards a funny things, especially when you post at the same time as someone else. No offense taken, none needed to be. :D
Captain Skeptic
09-06-2003, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Slang - J'C
lol its all delicious man... we could argue **** forever and no conclusion would we come to. And besides, I just put my all into those last couple posts... I dont think I could come close to outsmarting someone as educated as yourself. Congrats, I'd tell you to be proud but I think I'm too late.
Keep on keepin on but I do have one question... does your argument even have a point to prove? One that would actually mean something to me? Just as my point could never mean anything to you.
I take it you are not going to tell me what evidence I am ignoring then eh?
I put forth nothing but refutations of YOUR arguments.I was not attempting to prove or disprove anything to you, only to demonstrate that non-belief IS a rationally justified and tennable position.
I have no idea what you meant with that last paragraph.What IS your point that you say can mean nothing to me?
Mr Sinister
09-06-2003, 09:04 AM
HMPH! I'm orthodox, and am absolutely furious that it wasn't included! :D
Terminator 4
09-06-2003, 09:18 AM
My religion is Anti-Christian.
I'm NOT against JESUS CHRIST, I'm against CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES (a.k.a. White Supremacists).
sithgoblin
09-06-2003, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Bapman
JUDISM was founded in EGYPT... CHRISTISNITY in ROME
and ISLAM in ARAB...
and do you know non of them had contact with each other ??? Originally posted by Bapman
................... I get the distinct feeling that you have no idea how the religions where spread through people
All of them... had books... in the books... were the all the incidents that took place.
Now... how did the incidents from JUDISM... end up in the BIBLE... and how did THOSE 2... end up in the Q`ran... when non of them had any contact with each other.
The JEWS didn't get rid of JESUS... it was the people who didn't believe in him... and it wasn't NOAH's people who tried to kill MOSES... again... these are the people who worshipped IDOLS
Same with MOHAMMAD.
Sooo how do they have the same stories ??? I don't know much about Islam, but I can explain the Christianity/Judism thing.
To put it simply, Judism and Christianity are the same religion, except the Jews didn't accept Jesus as the son of God. Both Jews and Christians worship the same God, which is why Christians have the Old Testimant (the Jewish holy text) as part of their own holy text. It is the New Testimant that sets the religions apart and makes them different. Christians and Jews both believe in the Old Testimant, and that part of their religion is the same. It is just the New Testimant that sets them apart. :)
sithgoblin
09-06-2003, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by the defenders
1)Buddhism is not a religion,It's a philosophy, and yes I am buddhist Yes, it started off as a philosophy, and Buddha stressed that he was not to be worshiped as a god, that he was simply a wise man who had been enlightened, and had shared his knowledge. However nowadays he is more or less seen as a god. In many of the Buddhist temples around the world (I've been to several in China, I can't speak for elsewhere) they have big statues of Buddha, and people go and pray and worship him.
Orko Is King
09-06-2003, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Terminator 4
My religion is Anti-Christian.
I'm NOT against JESUS CHRIST, I'm against CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES (a.k.a. White Supremacists).
I think most people feel the same way.
LadyVader
09-06-2003, 02:45 PM
Wait a sec... Unitarian Universalism, at least that's what emode says my religon should be.
Sandman138
09-06-2003, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by LadyVader
Wait a sec... Unitarian Universalism, at least that's what emode says my religon should be.
What religion are you?
Transcended
09-06-2003, 03:59 PM
Christian.
sithgoblin
09-06-2003, 07:02 PM
Athiest/Agnostic, btw.
LadyVader
09-07-2003, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Sandman138
What religion are you?
Jedi. :D
I believe in the force.
BTW, did you know that the whole Force concept is based on taoism, an asian religion?
Super_Ludacris
09-07-2003, 09:41 AM
can't we all just get along
spiderrasmon
09-07-2003, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Captain Skeptic
You are simply regurgitating Pascal's wager here.PW has been thoroughly refuted a hundred thousand times but still the fallacious argument persists.
Without rational justification to support YOUR particular god-claim then your god is no more likely than ANY god to exist.Therefore, if it turns out that the God of Islamic terrorists IS the one true God or that Satan or some other trickster is the supreme ruler of the universe, then you are in at least as much trouble as any atheist and your choice to worship Yahweh will cost you as dearly as if you had chosen Vishnu, Odin or Eric Clapton.
Technically there are MANY gods that DO exist.Unfortunately none of them are supernatural.They are wooden idols, deified mad emperors and natural phenomenoae(i.e. the sun).In this context I am an atheist because I do not willingly worship anything as a god.
In the scientific sense I am an atheist becasue I do not believe in the existence of things which cannot be demonstrated to exist or whose existence is not rationally inferred.
Many individuals who say that they do not believe in God would appreciate knowing if there is a solution to the problems of poor health, family discord, injustice, and so forth. They are sincerely interested in finding answers to such questions as: ‘Why does evil exist?’ ‘Why do bad things happen to good people?’ and ‘What is the meaning of life?’
Have you ever wondered: ‘If there is a God, why is there so much suffering and injustice in the world?’
Read Jeremiah 10:23.
*** Rbi8 Jeremiah 10:23 ***
23_I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.
What's your opinion of this?
Proofs of the existence of “the living God.”: The fact of the existence of God is proved by the order, power, and complexity of creation, macroscopic and microscopic, and through his dealings with his people throughout history. In looking into what might be called the Book of Divine Creation, scientists learn much. One can learn from a book only if intelligent thought and preparation have been put into the book by its author.
In contrast to the lifeless gods of the nations, Jehovah is “the living God.” (Jer 10:10; 2Co 6:16) Everywhere there is testimony to his activity and his greatness. “The heavens are declaring the glory of God; and of the work of his hands the expanse is telling.” (Ps 19:1) Men have no reason or excuse for denying God, because “what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.”—Ro 1:18-20.
Jehovah God is described in the Bible as living from time indefinite to time indefinite, forever (Ps 90:2,_4; Re 10:6), and as being the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, the only true God. (1Ti 1:17) There existed no god before him.—Isa 43:10,_11.
Istari Wizard
09-07-2003, 11:51 AM
hey spiderrasmon what's up?
spiderrasmon
09-07-2003, 11:52 AM
not much, Wiz-man... what's happn'n w/you?
Bacchus009
09-07-2003, 12:01 PM
I'm Agnostic
Istari Wizard
09-07-2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by spiderrasmon
not much, Wiz-man... what's happn'n w/you?
nothing it's all good at my end I just came from AFghanistan it's good that your back still preachin good for you
spiderrasmon
09-07-2003, 01:42 PM
what's up with the AFG, homie? peace in the Middle East?
QuiGonJosh
09-07-2003, 01:58 PM
no religion for me...well unless you count movies...
spiderrasmon
09-07-2003, 02:01 PM
you worship movies?
Istari Wizard
09-07-2003, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by spiderrasmon
what's up with the AFG, homie? peace in the Middle East?
there's neva gonna peace in the mid east holms, my pops works for the gov't so I move a lot that's why I haven't been here for 3 months but good to be back. Congrats on your 3000th post though :) :cool:
spiderrasmon
09-07-2003, 02:08 PM
oh... thanks... you're almost headed to your 3,000th, kid...
I'll be watching...
keep reading...
QuiGonJosh
09-07-2003, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by spiderrasmon
you worship movies?
kinda...
spiderrasmon
09-07-2003, 02:21 PM
buffoon.
QuiGonJosh
09-07-2003, 02:23 PM
kiss my ass s**thead!!
the defenders
09-07-2003, 02:24 PM
movies?
they all have different views?
how can you worship movies?
sooo yeah, what spiderrasmon said
spiderrasmon
09-07-2003, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by QuiGonJosh
kiss my ass s**thead!!
what movie is that from, quote-boy? :cool:
Sandman138
09-07-2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by ~†~§iX~†~
I made up my own belief system which takes the majority of which from the Church of Satanism, which if you search online you'll be able to find many webasites, including the official one, detailing the exact beliefs of that religion.
It's funny in a sick kind of way. I just found that a friend of mine has died, and there is no religion on this world that makes that any easier to deal with!......
Okay, so you work off Anton Levay's (sp?) religion most people don't understand what real Satanism is. I have a few friends who, while they don't actually practice it or belong to the church, are very interested in Satanism and the energy (use the term loosly) rules around it. I must say that I do find it refreshing to find a religion whose cardinal sin is stupidity.
~†~§iX~†~
09-08-2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Sandman138
Okay, so you work off Anton Levay's (sp?) religion most people don't understand what real Satanism is. I have a few friends who, while they don't actually practice it or belong to the church, are very interested in Satanism and the energy (use the term loosly) rules around it. I must say that I do find it refreshing to find a religion whose cardinal sin is stupidity.
I don't, however, agree with their be;iefs on afterlife, as it just seems like hopeless existence, and hedonism, of sorts, for no point whatsoever!......
spiderrasmon
09-08-2003, 06:31 PM
word?
~†~§iX~†~
09-08-2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by spiderrasmon
word?
Which one?!......
Asteroid-Man
01-15-2007, 10:35 AM
There is actually a RELIGION like that... it's called
"B'ahai"
I didn't think anyone followed that... that's why didn't post it.
I'm a Baha'i and obviously you don't know much about it.
http://www.bahai.org
theres a couple hundred million of us ;)
The Chairman
01-15-2007, 11:09 AM
By blood, I'm a Catholic, so I voted Christianity. However, these days I don't know what to consider myself.
I believe in God very strongly (I pray every night), and I believe in most of the stories of The Bible, and I'm proud of receiving Communion and Confirmation, but at this point, I don't really claim a religion. I feel God and religion are two separate entities. I'm a follower of God and his word, but not religion.
Overall, I don't have a problem with organized religion, though there are some flaws. I have very liberal beliefs when it comes to God that I'd discuss if brought up. I do support gay marriage and I don't believe in Adam & Eve, for starters.
Warhammer
01-15-2007, 11:16 AM
I am a Scientologist. :mad: :up:
Seriously, I am a Christian, but I don't follow stupid denominations. (Baptists, Catholics, etc.) A denomination is diluted Christianity.
Dangerous
01-15-2007, 11:26 AM
Satanist.
El Payaso
01-15-2007, 11:52 AM
No religion and lovin' it.
Taiwarriorz21
01-15-2007, 05:02 PM
Christianity: Southern Bapist.
Same here dude!!! Where you from? I live in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Go to Greenwell Springs Baptist Church..... Dang the majority of the voters are Christians!!! That's awesome!!! Good for yall...Amen! Born-again and Happy about it!
The_Dark_Knight
01-15-2007, 05:38 PM
haha I voted Scientology lol
But I really dont have a religion.
unstoppable
01-15-2007, 05:58 PM
christianity
unstoppable
01-15-2007, 05:59 PM
Satanist.
that would explain a lot :woot:
CConn
01-15-2007, 06:01 PM
My family's Irish Catholic, but I don't follow any particular religion myself. I'm not atheist, though.
Cyrusbales
01-15-2007, 06:05 PM
Aetheist, parents are atheists too. I didn't follow in thier footsteps though, just came to make my own descision after my own investigation etc. Especially after getting into philosophy, my belief in god totally vanished, making me anti-religion now
Taiwarriorz21
01-15-2007, 06:06 PM
Aetheist, parents are atheists too. I didn't follow in thier footsteps though, just came to make my own descision after my own investigation etc. Especially after getting into philosophy, my belief in god totally vanished, making me anti-religion now
sad to hear it...but everyone is entitled to free will.
muertevilla
01-15-2007, 06:08 PM
i worship my guitar.
Cyrusbales
01-15-2007, 06:41 PM
sad to hear it...but everyone is entitled to free will.
I'm quite happy, I love the way I don't need god, it scares me that some people NEED god to be nice to each other and stuff, but each to their own, just don't get me started on it:)
Speedball
01-15-2007, 06:52 PM
Christian. Which type of Christianity is still up in the air.
Warhammer
01-15-2007, 07:15 PM
Christian. Which type of Christianity is still up in the air.
I used to be Baptist, then a Presbyterian, without knowing what it meant.
I am also a no denomination guy.
Speedball
01-15-2007, 07:20 PM
I used to be Baptist, then a Presbyterian, without knowing what it meant.
I am also a no denomination guy.
I'm Catholic, but I don't agree with some of the things they believe.
Such as confession.
I don't need to go through a person to ask for forgiveness from God.
Eddie Brock
01-15-2007, 08:31 PM
I'm Catholic, but I don't agree with some of the things they believe.
Such as confession.
I don't need to go through a person to ask for forgiveness from God.
:up:
i completely agree (i am also Catholic)
i also disagree with the anti-gay thing
i think God would much rather have his people happy and gay than lonely and straight
Arkady Rossovich
01-15-2007, 08:38 PM
Christanity.
sithgoblin
01-15-2007, 09:11 PM
Athiest/Agnostic, btw.
3 and a half years later, I'd like to update my stance to strait out Atheist.
NO RELIGION and I LIKE IT THAT WAY !!! :cmad: :oldrazz:
El ASESINO
01-15-2007, 10:21 PM
I'm a Christian
Spider-Bite
01-15-2007, 10:25 PM
I'm an atheist. But wow am I surprised at the results of this poll. 30 atheists. that's way different from the proportions present in society. In America we make up less than 5% of the country and less than 15% of people under the age of 35.
worldwide though I think we are the fourth or fifth largest group now.
Spider-Bite
01-15-2007, 10:30 PM
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Man we are growing in large numbers fast. Just two years ago we were the fourth biggest and now were the third.
Christianity (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Christianity): 2.1 billion
Islam (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Islam): 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Nonreligious): 1.1 billion
Hinduism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Hinduism): 900 million
Chinese traditional religion (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Chinese): 394 million
Buddhism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Buddhism): 376 million
primal-indigenous (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#primal): 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#African): 100 million
Sikhism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Sikhism): 23 million
Juche (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/Juche.html): 19 million
Spiritism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Spiritism): 15 million
Judaism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Judaism): 14 million
Baha'i (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Baha'i): 7 million
Jainism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Jainism): 4.2 million
Shinto (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Shinto): 4 million
Cao Dai (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#CaoDai): 4 million
Zoroastrianism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Zoroastrianism): 2.6 million
Tenrikyo (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Tenrikyo): 2 million
Neo-Paganism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Neo-Paganism): 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Unitarian): 800 thousand
Rastafarianism (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Rastafarianism): 600 thousand
Scientology (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Scientology): 500 thousand
Kritish
01-15-2007, 11:32 PM
I just to get a religious perspective on the people here.
I am muslim and I read in "MATT's" post that how ppl trash the Cristian religion and get away with it.
Sooo just thought how many different religion we have here.
OK ENOUGH !!! STOP SAYING STUPID THINGS !!! JUST BE A LITTLE SERIOUS FOR ONCE OK ???
Not me buddy boy, I'll make fun of Islam as much or more than Christianity.:cwink:
Super Kal
01-15-2007, 11:41 PM
Christianity
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