NE one watch Alias?

[AliasSP1DERG1RL]

i rekon its the best show ever.

[imdaly]

Heck yeah! I'm surprised that this show is not mentinoed very much on here.

"Alias" is by far my favorite TV show right now!

Just over 1 week til the Season 3 premiere! Woohoo!!

[Superfreak]

Love the show... and Garner's so damn sexy.

Can't wait for the new season. I wanna know what the letter Sloan got from 'Qui Chang Cain' was all about. I loved how thunder struck as he read it.

I read a rumor that everything in this new season is backwards. Sloane is a 'good guy', Jack Bristow is now in the jail cell (where they held Irina), and Dikson is in charge at the 'Base'.

Gonna be interesting to see what happens.

[nabob1982]

alias is my favourite show as well at the moment, reminds of macgyver a bit just with way more continuity.... funny there both kind of cult shows....

[armyofme]

Superfreak, you left out the little tidbit about Fake Francie still apparently alive and kicking! Abrams has promised that "there will be a rematch." Not to mention the new femme fatale in the form of Vaughn's new wife. You just know she's going to be trouble down the road.

[PrinceMyshkin]

Alias is the most consistently good show on television (next to the West Wing). Well written, good solid characters make it an endurable show. Plus, Jen Garner is scrumptious.

[Superfreak]

what traps you is the bloody cliffhangers though

[amazingfantasy15]

I just finished watched the Season One DVD set and can't wait for this next season to start (yes, I watched all of season two, I missed about half of season one though). It truely is my favorite show on TV right now, everything that should make this show "jump the shark" actually works and improves the show. The cliffhangers between episodes really trap you, but what's worse are the cliffhangers between seasons, those are truely god awful. I think Fake Francie being part of Project Christmas plays a big part in way Syd can't remember the past two years. Just can't wait for Sunday.

[Superfreak]

you're so right about the finales. I just wanna know what was in that damn letter to Sloane. Is Sloane Rimbaldi?

[Rizmaster]

I watched for a while, missed a few episodes, and was too confused to take it back up.

[BlackSymbiote]

I might start watching. I really don't watch much TV.

[The Singularity]

Alias is good but there's something about it that distinguishes itself from other shows. Something I can't quite put my finger on. I think its the fact it borders on fantasy while being grounded in realism. When I started watching I expected another rendition of La Femme Nikita but was pleasantly surprised when it went off in another direction.

[Superfreak]

Epic backround story... different disguises and covers every episode... Hot chick.

It's got a lot going for it. The plots can each be distinct, and are only linked by the 'epic backround arc' of Rimbaldi. So it doesn't get monotonous. Every show their doing something different, but it all accumulates in the Rimbaldi backround... which I fear will never be solved... sticking with the cliffhanger trend of the series.

[imdaly]

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2 Days, guys....2 days

[JcDc]

no

[The Lizard]

I just got the Season 1 Alias DVD set for my girl -- she was happy ;)

Can't wait for season 3 premiere this Sunday -- wooo hoo!

They showed a scene on Good Morning America today showing Sydney choking Vaughn because she thinks he's a double, like Evil Francie! Poor Syd.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Originally posted by AliasSP1DERG1RL
i rekon its the best show ever. it is the best show ever i watch it every week :D

[imdaly]

Here's the funny thing....

I've seen every episode of this show so far, at LEAST twice. Some episodes ("Truth Be Told", "So It Begins", "Almost Thirty Years", "Phase One", "Free Agent", "Second Double", "The Telling", etc) I've watched 5 or 6 times.

Funny thing is, until this Sunday's premiere, I have NEVER seen "Alias" on cable. It's all been downloads, and then the DVD for me. I know that downloading songs/movies/tv shows are illegal and 'keep the companies from getting the income they are counting on', but if it weren't for me downloading the episodes, I would have NEVER gotten into this show, and therefore would have NEVER wanted to buy the DVD's...which are now Essential to my being (lol).

So yeah, it's gonna be wierd seeing commercials interrupt the episode Sunday. lol. I've never experienced Alias with commercials yet. lol

But you better believe I'll be there. I've requested off for work just for the premiere. : )

Just......2......more......days........

[The Lizard]

Anyone gonna buy these?

http://fp.entertainmentearth.com/AUTOIMAGES/MG21012LG.jpg

[amazingfantasy15]

The Singularity, what I think distinguishes it is that it's smart, tense and has real characters in it that you can really feel for. The characters draw you in, also the ongoing plot helps too. Unlike other shows which have an ongoing plot in Alias is just so much more, an example is NYPD Blue, it always has an ongoing plot, but the plot is only given importance in the first few and last few minutes of the show. With Alias the ongoing plot is always given prominence throughout the show, but really I think it's the characters, the acting is so good in the show, the last two season finales are the best examples, I felt totally stunned when Syd utters mom or when she sees Vaughn with a wedding ring and learned she was missing for two years. I really can't believe the show didn't win any Emmys and just proves my belief that those awards shows are just a good old boys club and don't get me started on how robbed Larry David was of an Emmy for his role in Curb your Enthusiam.

One last thing imdaly, Alias is on network TV, not cable.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by amazingfantasy15
One last thing imdaly, Alias is on network TV, not cable.

Ahh, THAT'S the word(s) I was looking for. I almost said "television", but technically I've seen it on TV with help of my DVD.

Yes, Network TV.


And also, I agree COMPLETELY with the rest of your post also.

[The Lizard]

Alias is also great because it suceeds in balancing all the elements of action, relationships, hi-tech, and SF/fantasy.

--And that ain't easy.

[imdaly]

Tonight, baby, tonight.....

[nabob1982]

JG ugly.... man someone needs glasses... go watch DD or look at that picture posted in the who's the best marvel movie girl poll on here. If you can tell me she's ugly after looking at that you have problems. I'll admit though they take some bad pictures of her from time to time and that ALIAS for the most part (other than some of the disguises) downplays her sexual appeal, IMO.

Just my two cents

[Superfreak]

cool episode




spoilers




Sidney wakes up, everything is different. Finds out Jack is in Prison. 'Lies' her way onto a mission to get leverage to release her father. Fails, confides in Weiss, goes rogue. Goes to Sloane, now a high up in the WHO, for intel. Completes the mission, gets the leverage, and frees Jack. Jack has a video of Sidney that is one year old, of her killing some old dude. But Sidney doesn't remember anything before two years ago. end.

Relationship stuff.

Sloane got a pardon

Jack, obsessed with Sidney's death, sought help from his wife... that's why he's in jail

Vaughen is married, Sidney is really mad at him.

Dikson is in charge... with some other cronie.

[imdaly]

and you saw this already HOW?? lucky bastard

[The Lizard]

Eh-- the season premiere was kind of a downer IMO.

It should have been two hours long, since the set-ups didn't really grab me.

Worst moment: When Sloane tells Sydney that when he assembled the 47-piece Rambaldi device, it did nothing but spell out the word "peace". COME ON!! Even if he's lying (which I hope he is) -- that's just LAME.

I'm hoping things will pick up when we find out about Sydney being programmed to be an assassin, as well as the fate of Will Tippen and Allison Doran (AKA: Evil Francie).

[Superfreak]

Yeah, I agree, but if they revealed what the machine did, then that would just eliminate the importance of Rimbaldi. So that will come later.

What I still really want to know, is what did the letter from 'Qui Chang Cain' said. Because it obviously wasn't about peace... seeing that lightening and thunder struck as Sloane read the letter.

[The Lizard]

THEORY-- You've probably heard this one, but it's been suggested that A) Sloane actually IS Rambaldi, and B) "The Telling" artifact is actually a time machine.

This seems pretty far out for Alias, so I'm kind of hoping that's not the case.

I'm thinking that David Carradine revealed Sloane's presence in a Rambaldi prophesy of some kind, and Sloane's present role as fighter of cancer and world hunger is just part of his plan to... [Pinky & The Brain]Try to take over the world !!![/Pinky & the Brain]

[amazingfantasy15]

The one thing I didn't like about the episode was Sydney's reaction to Vaughn getting remarried. Everyone thought she was dead, Vaughn had to move on. Otherwise I liked the episode, there's plenty more to be revealed and uncovered, I don't believe Sloane is a changed man, but that he's trying to cure cancer is believeable since his wife almost died from it. I liked that Weiss had more screen time and what Sydney did to talk to her father and get her father out of prison, really reminded me of the pilot episode with her going rogue. I still want to know what's going on with Sark, Will and her mother, the pilot was good, but still a lot needs to be revealed and I still believe Project Christmas had a lot to do with her two missing years.

[Superfreak]

oh, they've been hinting at christmas for a long time. I think one of the first episodes where she had to get the code from a sleeper agent (probably like her) by reciting a poem to him.

Then you had that whole unresolved issue with Sidney being hypnotized to remember what Jack had done to her. That's definately coming into play at some point this season.

But I think the overiding arc this season will be Sidney trying to figure out what the hell is going on with her. And that won't get solved til near the end of the season... but by that point, we'll more unanswered questions... god damn drug dealer Abrams is

[amazingfantasy15]

But at least it's not like X-Files where they answer your questions with more questions. You get your questions answered and new stuff comes into play.

[Superfreak]

true, the X-files was the ultimate annoyer.

I hope they have an episode this season where Sidney gets armed to the teeth... Matrix style

[Superfreak]

bump...

this show is just damn annoying it is

[imdaly]

lol. i'm hoping you mean that in a good way?

[Superfreak]

they resolved nothing last episode... just more questions. Love the show, but annoyed... damn cliffhangers

[The Lizard]

They're going to tease us for awhile- I can tell.

Things I want to see:

Dixon get revenge on Sark and Allison (Evil Francie) for the death of his wife (and maybe show Dixon being friends with Will Tippen again after he almost strangled Will last season).

The debunking of this stupid "Peace" message from the Rambaldi artifacts.

The return of Lena Olin as Syd's mom! She rules!


-and I DON'T want to see:

Sydney and Agent Weiss get romantic. NO NO NO!

[Superfreak]

I want to see Sark go after Sidney for killing his father

I wanna see Jack 'destroy' Sloane as he promised last night.

And yes, I wanna see Irina... she's Jack's opposite. Which makes them deadly together

[nabob1982]

They should have just combined the premiere and last nights episode, it would have been way better, but then again sydney sliting the diplomats throat would have been overkill for a "commercial" cliff hanger.....

For some reason everyone bashes this show (normal people) without giving it a fair shot (heck I used to be one). Now wouldn't be a bad time to get on the bandwagon, now that the DVD of season one is out and the way season 3 opened leaves some room for new viewers to join in.

if Sloane is rimbaldi, that would be a lame one, it just wouldn't make any sense.... working his rear end off for stuff he allready knew.... no.....

Anyhow people tune into alias, it needs the viewership

[Superfreak]

I think part of the problem, is that if you haven't been watching from the beginning, you miss a lot.

This is definately the right time to start watching, as this season is basically a restart.

I think tv producers are wising up a bit. Shows that have an intergrated narrative(ie. Each show starts where the last left off) have a much better plot. BUT, the problem is atracting new viewers. If the plot becomes too involved, then new viewers tend to stay away, as they won't understand what is happening (or, ie. if you miss an episode, you're screwed)

That's why I think this '2 year' restart has occured. To attract new viewers, while disposing (not fully) of the last two seasons, without hurting the plot

[Superfreak]

Man this show rules. The relationships are going through crazy rollercoasters now. I'm pumped to see what happens next.

Who captured Sidney? What kind of mischief are Jack and Vaughen going to get up to now that Vaughen is 'back of Sidney's team'?

I have a feeling that Jack and Irina are somehow the 'villains' this season.

[The Lizard]

At first I thought that Lauren (Vaughn's wife) was a double-agent for Sloan, but she seems to actually be nice---- we'll see.

I also want to see Allison the Francinator return! Ooooo, she's evil!

[amazingfantasy15]

I like the way things are slowly being revealed about Syd's missing two years. She actually seems to be getting flashbacks now, the part in the hotel last night was one of the most intense scenes I've ever seen on TV, really sucks that we've gotta wait two weeks for the next episode since this ended on a big cliffhanger.

On another note, it was really great to see Syd using sais this episode, I remember an interview saying how she wanted to use them in the show after she trained for so long on how to use them as Elektra.

[Superfreak]

I thought the most intense part of last night's episode, was when Vaughan 'reafirmed' his 'love' for Sidney. That was intense... and no kiss,,, brutal.

I read somewhere that Will will be back next episode, or the one following that. So obviously, Sidney doesn't get labotomized

[Psylock_fan]

Theirs something about lauren that seems really fishey

[logan_weapon_x]

Well i'm pissed because schedules in Scotland are screwy so i have to wait for season 2 on dvd to see that, but OMG season 1 was ace!

[Superfreak]

OK Alias...

I have this theory.... It looks like the first two seasons of Alias are 'introductions'. I'm thinking that all the plots are leading to the establishment of a secret organization of 'super spy' good guys.

Where Sid is the leader, Jack and Sloane are the experience. etc. It looks like there will be a 'superspy' team up at some point (ie. Irina, Jack, Sloane, Sidney, Vaughan, Marshall and *****on) A new 'alliance' as it were, but of good guy spies.

[Psylock_fan]

IT LOOKS LIKE LAUREN HAD SOMETHING TO DO W/ SYD'S KIDNAPPING!!!!

[Superfreak]

Spoiler... she's actually the one who facilitated Sidney's escape from the NSC

[Spidey Rules]

I've never watched this show, but does it have anything to do with the comic book?

[The Lizard]

Not the Marvel comic book.


BTW, it looks like a Sydney vs Lauren girlfight on Nov 30th -- yessss!

[Rasputin]

You misspelled anyone

[The Lizard]

OK, last night's episode had a few interesting moments (Sydney punching Lauren, Sydney kissing Vaughn, and the re-introduction of the Rambaldi cult), but overall it was just a big time waster IMO.

The drugged-out scientist guest-role played by weirdo director David Cronenberg got on my nerves -- why did they give him so many lines?

I KNEW that the episode was going to end right when Sydney looked inside "Room 47" in her dream/flashback, and sure enough, it did.

All I can say is that there better be something really cool in that room, like cybernetic monkeys or zombie assassins, 'cause I'm starting to get annoyed.

[Superfreak]

Yeah, that was one of the worst/best cliffhangers this season.

Every episode ends this way,,, but that was just mean.

It's what makes the show so damn addictive though. I wonder what was in the room.

Will is back next week, and it looks like Syd and him grind pelvis' for a little bit. Finally. Will has been waiting three seasons, with a two year interlude, to bonk Syd.


Ok, I know it was a 'dreamworld' but is Syd that strong? Is she a 'superhero'? They've been hinting at something along these lines since Allison escaped that ambulance by herself, after being filled with lead by Syd.

I have this feeling that Syd is some kind of 'Universal Soldier' now. Died, but was brought back to life as a 'supersoldier', just like allison ( and Jean Claude and Dolph).

PS. Last episode, Syd got electrocuted for torture, then last night her heart stopped, and had to be resussitated.... no one is that tough... yes, it is TV. But are they again hinting that Sydney has some how been enhanced since her disappearence?

[The Lizard]

Syd as "supersoldier"? Hmmmmm.....quite possible.

BTW, I thought that college girl "Kaya" who was rolling on Ecstacy was cute-looking and all, but someone really needed to slap her.

[Psylock_fan]

lol she was druged

[Superfreak]

I don't think she was drugged at the time... but I think she was 'perma-high'

[amazingfantasy15]

The episode was pretty damn good, but these cliffhangers are getting maddening. Some things were revealed, whatever happened during the two year interim had a lot to do with Rambaldi as evidenced in her dream with all the referrences and artifacts. I knew we wouldn't find out, but the NSC or at least it's director has an idea about Sloane's end game. I'd really like to find out why the NSC director wants Syd dead do much, it's almost as if he fears her, did he have anything to do with her missing two years? Anyway some cool stuff for this season, most of which will probably be revealed by the end of the season to be replaced by a whole new set of mysteries and questions. That's what great about the series though, the past two seasons, almost everything is revealed at the end of the season, but the show leaves you with a great cliffhanger that poses a whole new set of questions for the next season, so you're begging for more. With Alias and 24 who needs anything else that's on TV, the shows are of such high quality they make most everything else look like crap.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by amazingfantasy15
With Alias and 24 who needs anything else that's on TV, the shows are of such high quality they make most everything else look like crap.

Agreed. :up:

[Superfreak]

I think Lindsey (NSC Director) is somehow involved with the Covenant... like he is in charge or something.

I see no other reason for him to hate Syd so much (other than Freeing Jack)

I kind of want to see Syd 'go to war'... Matrix style (ie. Lots of Guns, Lots of Fighting) either to save someone, or 'eliminate' someone. I wanna see a satisfying face off between Syd and Allison, that's what I'm really waiting for

[The Lizard]

Supposedly, Jennifer Garner has signed a FIVE YEAR contract to stay on Alias. Assuming the show doesn't get cancelled, this means that we might have to wait a long time for any kind of resolution like Syndey getting revenge on Allison.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Supposedly, Jennifer Garner has signed a FIVE YEAR contract to stay on Alias. Assuming the show doesn't get cancelled, this means that we might have to wait a long time for any kind of resolution like Syndey getting revenge on Allison.

Spoilers about Allison:
Apparently in this coming Sunday's episode, Will Tippen is the one who gets to have his revenge on Allison

[amazingfantasy15]

I noticed something in the preview for next week's episode last night, Vaughn behind the site of a sniper's rifle!

[Superfreak]

IT'S VAUGHN!! that'll be wicked... do you think he's 'helping' Sloane free Sidney... or do you think he's defending Sid from Sloane's own Sniper?

[imdaly]

Originally posted by amazingfantasy15
I noticed something in the preview for next week's episode last night, Vaughn behind the site of a sniper's rifle!

I'm sorry to break it to ya, but I just watched that preview frame-by-frame, and that is definitely not Vaughn. Looks kinda like him at quick glance, but once you slow it down, you'll see that it's not.

BUT, I LOVE to hypothesize about this show!

Anyone who loves this show, and is as obsessed with it as I am should head over to www.sd-1.com. Everything Alias!!

[The Lizard]

Re: Dec 7 episode---

OK, how on earth was Will able to defeat Allison in combat? She's the FRANCINATOR, for Pete's sake, and he just stabs her after a thirty-second scuffle? I mean, she deserved it, but it should have taken Will and Syd together to beat her. (Plus-- she might regenerate and come back yet again...)

Did Sark actually kill his dad, or just burn him I wonder?


I'm also wondering if some of the storyline is being changed now, because the producers of Alias weren't able to get Lena Olin to come back in her role as Irina (Syd's mom).

[Superfreak]

I figure Will has been 'preparing' himself for a meeting with the Francinator. See how freiken ripped he is now?

I love Sark, that Limmey bastard. He's so damn sophisticated... but so damn vicious.

You know that was a fulfilling 'first chapter' of this season conclusion... but, did you realize that absolutely nothing has been answered. It's beautiful how you can have a 'suedo conclusion' and not answer any questions... and even moreso when they add even more questions.

I'm really impressed. I have not been able to predict one turn this show has taken, it's great.

Can't wait for the 'winter' installment



PS. For some odd reason, I think Jack is the badguy this season. He just seems far too supportive of his daughter. In previous season he was very distant. But ever since this season he's been very 'fatherly' which seems not to align with the character they defined in previous seasons. Also he's strangely impulsive this season. Jack's the bomb. Best character on the show. I like to see him go 'bad' for a while.

[Psylock_fan]

imdaly

the link doesn't work

[imdaly]

OOps. I'm sorry. I fixed it.

www.sd-1.com

forgot the hyphen.

[Psylock_fan]

thnx

[Superfreak]

Is the Francinator dead? Because if she is, that was weak.

How can she survive being shot by Syd, then escape the ambulance with armed guards singlehandedly? and then be killed in 30 seconds by Will (especially hand to hand)?

I can't beleive the mom's not coming back this season... that's a frucking let down

[imdaly]

it's not certain, but everyone in the Alias fan circle seems to be pretty unanimous in believing that we will see Allison (NotFrancie) again.

And yes, it's a shame we won't be seeing Leno Olin (Irina) anymore. :( www.bringbacklena.com

[The Lizard]

Arg!! No new Alias until January 11!!!

This better be good, after all this wait... :mad:

[Superfreak]

That's only a week

[imdaly]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Arg!! No new Alias until January 11!!!

This better be good, after all this wait... :mad:

Well my friend, according to many interviews and what-not, the next episode of Alias is going to be HUGE!!!!

:D I can't WAIT!!!

[Superfreak]

Never can tell what that means for alias...

usually that means they answer a major question... and replace it with a 100 more different questions. Annoying, yes, Alias style? definately

[mrhan73]

Originally posted by AliasSP1DERG1RL
i rekon its the best show ever. They phucked up the second season(BIG TIME) I was a big fan of the first season,now i don't give a *****e.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by mrhan73
They phucked up the second season(BIG TIME) I was a big fan of the first season,now i don't give a *****e.

May I ask what they screwed up on, in your mind? I seriously cannot find anything to complain about!

[mrhan73]

Originally posted by imdaly
May I ask what they screwed up on, in your mind? I seriously cannot find anything to complain about! First season was some of the best television i 've ever seen.I loved the cliffhangers at the end of every episode then they changed up,something that could of taken 2 to 3 episodes were now 1 episode.

[Superfreak]

dude, every episode so far has been a cliff hanger... except for those which end a 'chapter' of the show. And even still, those 'chapter' conclusions don't answer anything, they just have some sort of closure to the episode, rather than being the usual full out cliffhanger.

But I do understand your point about the abandonment of the basic formula for the show. But I think that's a consequence of the plot becoming ever more complicated. The plot was simple in the first season... SD6 bad, CIA good...

but now, there is only one good guy (sydney)... everybody else could turn and visa versa. The show has grown to complicated to remain confined to its original narrative formula.

[3dman27]

i learned via tv guide that this weeks alias will be peempted for a telethon in the richmond va viewing area this week after the show airs could someone post what happened?

[imdaly]

holy ****.....I'd start to explain my extreme awe about tonight's episode....but i'm speechless.....

[Superfreak]

me too...

You gotta recognize the voice during Sydney's 'intiation' into the covenant. Will we be seeing another cameo by mister Tarentino? That'd be excellent.

That was an amazing episode!!! Answered ALL the questions in 1 hour. Pretty impressive... No Sloane though... and his involvement with the covenant. Things to come I guess.

I had some suspicions about Lauren, but that was a wicked suprise. Finally the prophecy is explained as well... 2 and a 1/2 seasons waiting for that. And it's not even done now. Who is the 'Passenger'? Another new mystery.

The relationship stuff is gonna hit the fan in the next few weeks... many possibilities, and new complications are on the horizon (ie. Will vs. Vaughn... again)

Very impressed, as always, but even more so this week. Hope to see the show turn upsidedown in the next few months...


Where was Jack? He'd wanna know all that crap. Could Jack be a badguy as well... he was infact trying to help Sydney 'remember' and therefore reveal the location of the 'cube'. Seeing all the manipulation Sydney was 'truely' experiencing... it makes Jack an obvious future baddy.

[3dman27]

thank you

[amazingfantasy15]

Wow, I don't know where this show is going right now, but that episode makes everyone on the show a possible bad guy. I have to say though while the episode was great the one part that put it over the top in my mind was the comment Dixon made to Syd about keeping secrets from people, it was just perfect.

[Psylock_fan]

I KNEW LAUREN WAS FISHY!!!!

[The Lizard]

I have a theory after seeing last nights (1/11/04) episode:

OK, they did a pretty good job of explaining what was going on, but :

-When Sydney found out that the Covenant wanted to combine Rambaldi's 400 year-old DNA with her eggs (sounds like X-Files), why didn't she just destroy the cube that had Rambaldi's DNA in it, instead of "wiping" her memory of the 2 years and hiding the cube?

- If Lauren is evil, and takes orders from Sark (he said to kill Lazaray, and she did it in yesterday's ep), then what was that whole scene a few eps ago when Sark revealed to Lauren that Syndey was in the video "assassinating" Lazaray? Remember- Sark told Lauren that her car was rigged to explode if she got out before a certain time - and there was no one around to hear their conversation.
What was the point of that whole sequence if Lauren has been working for Sark all along?


To be honest, I think that the storyline for the remainder of this whole season has been changed from a previous planned storyline because Lena Olin refused to come back to the show and play Irina (Syd's mom). I think that the original plan was to reveal that Syd had been working with her mom for part of that 2-year period when she was pretending to be brainwashed into being Julia Thorne. The whole thing with Syd working with Langley instead seems to be a "substitute" story.

Maybe I'm wrong, and my questions will be addressed, but it sure seems that way.

Stupid, addictive, mesmerizing Alias :mad:

[Superfreak]

Originally posted by amazingfantasy15
Wow, I don't know where this show is going right now, but that episode makes everyone on the show a possible bad guy. I have to say though while the episode was great the one part that put it over the top in my mind was the comment Dixon made to Syd about keeping secrets from people, it was just perfect.

This has been my theory for a while... Jack's gotta be bad.

He dissappears for the last 40 minutes of the show... fishy. He is suddenly a 'caring' father this season(this is a monstrous change for the character, obviously he cared, but could never express it. Now this season he's like a real daddy)... fishy.

I really wanna see how Quentin plays out in the story... you guys heard that right?

And I wanna see Vaughn ***** slap Lauren.

[amazingfantasy15]

Watching my tape of the show again yesterday, I think I can clear these two things up

-When Sydney found out that the Covenant wanted to combine Rambaldi's 400 year-old DNA with her eggs (sounds like X-Files), why didn't she just destroy the cube that had Rambaldi's DNA in it, instead of "wiping" her memory of the 2 years and hiding the cube?

I don't think Syd was the one who actually hid the cube, she mentions that there had to be another party or something like that, it could've actually been Lazarey that did the hiding. Plus I'm not sure if Syd put everything together about the DNA and her scar/missing eggs before she had her memory wiped.

- If Lauren is evil, and takes orders from Sark (he said to kill Lazaray, and she did it in yesterday's ep), then what was that whole scene a few eps ago when Sark revealed to Lauren that Syndey was in the video "assassinating" Lazaray? Remember- Sark told Lauren that her car was rigged to explode if she got out before a certain time - and there was no one around to hear their conversation.
What was the point of that whole sequence if Lauren has been working for Sark all along?

Sark, only said "They have my father, take care of it". We don't know who was on the other end of the phone or what take care of it means, maybe Sark wanted his father back and Lauren's working for someone else. I really think what they show about Lauren being with the Covenant is misdirection, it just think it's too easy for this show.

Also, I don't think it would ever have been planned that Syd worked with her mom during the missing two years. Her mom totally betrayed her last season, she would definitely go to the CIA before her mom.

[The Lizard]

I want Lena Olin back, anyway :(

[imdaly]

My thoughts exactly.

Y'know who I'm now convinced is the bad guy?....

...Jack

He's the 'other party'.

Somebody planted that letter that was supposedly from Sydney to herself with that code that led her to the apartment. I'm thinking it was Jack. He was able to trick Sloane into really thinking that it was real.

Only 2 people knew how to decipher that code: Jack and Irina. This letter is what started Sydney's trail to the box...which is what Jack was trying to get to.

The letter led us to the apartment.

The apartment led us to the coordinates to Lazaray's hand. SOMEBODY had to somehow get that hand out of the caved-in cave and into a box, and under the ground where it was found. It would never have been Sydney, so it had to be the person that was trying to lead her (and in turn, the Covenant) to Lazaray.

The hand made Syd realize that Lazaray might still be alive. Suddenly we're led to that strange doctor who did the dream stuff to Syd...with Jack witnessing it all, finding out what Sydney's finding out.

The dreams led Syd to Will. Notice how quickly Jack flies Sydney off to see Will...and how crucial he makes it seem. Of course it's crucial! If Will knows how to find Lazaray, Jack will find him, and be able to find out where the box is! Also notice that SOMEBODY who knew about the doctor and his dream experiment with Syd had to have told Sark about it, because he immediately arrives there to take him out after Syd and the gang left.

Now most people will say "Well it's obviously Lauren! We've even seen now that she's evil!". Not so fast. Remember the scene in the parking garage with Lauren and Sark. There was nobody around to fool then, so I believe that they really DIDN'T know each other.

So it's gotta be Jack.

To continue on, Will led Sydney to Lazaray. Finally, Lazaray has been located! Jack's plan worked! Jack sends Sark to go get Lazaray.

During Will and Lazaray's meeting, Sark ambushed them and took his father, in order to get the cube. But before he got there, Lazaray had mentioned about the cube, which gave Sydney the chance to go get it herself.

So now it's a race to the cube. Will Sydney get to it before Sark does? Nope, but she does manage to get it in the end, and it is sent to CIA.

So now Jack has one more chance to get the cube before it's too late...so Jack tells Sark about the DSA taking it over to their headquarters, and has Sark ambush them in transit to recover the cube.

Jack's Covenant now has possession of the cube. "Uh-oh" says Kendall. "Sydney's plan went wrong, and I'm gonna have to fill her in about what all has happened, so that we might be able to get it back somehow". So he tells Sydney everything.

After all is spilled, Sydney, with the help of Marshall, locates the cube. So Kendall assembles the Alias Gang to recover it. But notice who is missing! We have Vaughn, Sydney, Weiss....where's Jack?? And notice what Kendall says on the phone while assembling the group. "This is Kendall. Where is he?" Sounds like they had trouble finding Jack, to get his help...could he have already been there in Patagonia?

So the team goes in minus Jack, who you would think would make sure he was part of the team, and seemingly successfully destroys the lab. And in doing so, they also were able to get a hold of Lazaray.

**More speculation time**

Sark knows that his dad was taken back by the CIA. And as much as he despised what his dad did, I think he still loved him. He always seemed bitter that he didn't have a dad, and now that he knew that he was alive, I think he wanted to make sure that he was alright. So Sark calls up Jack.

"They have my father. Take care of him."

The way this was said sounded to me more like "Keep him safe" rather than "Take him down"

But the cube plot was over. Jack knew this. He had no more need for Sark or Lazaray...so he calls up Lauren. And he tells her that, for some reason unknown by me yet, Lazaray needs to be killed. So she does. And right after, calls Jack to tell him that "the job was done."

[Superfreak]

imdaly - You See it... Sark will end up being a 'good guy'... because his father had been killed.

Jack is the obvious villain, and he'll be teamed up with Sloane, obviously, as it was Sloane who delivered the letter. Then I suspect a Lena Olin return next season to clear up this whole mess.

I also like how Lauren is now one of the 'spouse-spies', much like Irina. Implications for Vaughn are wicked. Seeing that his father was killed by Irina, another 'spouse-spy'.

do you think the baby will ever be born? The Lab is gone, but the DNA must still exist.

But... if I were Syd, I'd sterilize myself, and be done with it... but that might be why she's survived so long... because no one's actually trying to kill her

[Psylock_fan]

It might be will i mean he came back and was diffrent he might be workin for some one else

[Psylock_fan]

I HOPE IRINA COMES BACK THEIR IS KNOW WAY SHE HAD NO INVOLVMENT IN THE 2 YEARS SHE HAS TO BE TIED IN!!!!!

[medguy]

downplays her sexual appeal? Have you seen the episode with the black and red lingerie? Or the Red dress? Or the skin tight blue dress? Or the...Aw, heck. Every show they have her in something sexy for sexy's sake.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by imdaly
Y'know who I'm now convinced is the bad guy?....

...Jack ......



Wow-- tight theorizing there, imdaly. :up:

I just copied your post and emailed it for review to my most scholarly Alias source -- my wife. :D

[amazingfantasy15]

Nice theory imdaly and I can totally see Jack being a main bad guy, however, that's why I don't believe it's true. There's no denying that Jack doesn't play by the rules and has his own agenda, that's obvious, but after two and a half seasons the one thing I've learned about Alias is it likes to lead you in one direction and the pull the rug out from under you, change directions and leave you saying "WTF! I never saw that coming, but it works". Jack just seems like another example of this.

One last note though, Jack probably wasn't at the gunfight this episode because it was CIA approved, Jack only gets involved in federal law breaking gunfights/missions.

[Superfreak]

robbed of credit for my theory

[madamx]

Okay, they had those commercials for the new waffle syrup off & on during the episode... so I found myself thinking something pretty irreverent during the raid when Sydney destroyed the lab & beakers with her genetic material (ova/eggs).....


Leggo my Eggo!


Sorry...I know it was bad but I had to get that out of my system.

[madamx]

Oh and..

I think the 'bad' Lauren thing may not be as straight-forward as it seems. Remember that Sydney saw Lauren during her regression sessions when she was trying to retrieve her memory. While it's possible that Lauren has always been a 'baddie', it is also possible that she was subjected to the same brainwashing as Sydney.

[Obsidian]

Or Lauren could have been planted in as Vaughn's wife in order to steal secrets like the KGB did with Jack's wife.

[Superfreak]

Originally posted by Obsidian
Or Lauren could have been planted in as Vaughn's wife in order to steal secrets like the KGB did with Jack's wife.

exactly... and who killed Vaughn's Father? Jack's wife. That's what's gonna make it so interesting. Vaughn HATES Irina with a passion, and had issues with Jack earlier in the series. Now he's the victim of the same tactic.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by Obsidian
Or Lauren could have been planted in as Vaughn's wife in order to steal secrets like the KGB did with Jack's wife.

MY opinion?

I believe that it's quite possible that VAUGHN was planted to seduce Lauren and marry her.

Remember in the begining of the season, when Syd was talking to Weiss? He said that when Sydney died, he went off to Europe, and literally "fell off the face of the Earth" for 6 months.

It was during this time that Vaughn supposedly met Lauren and fell in love with her.

Now from what we learned from Kendall, when Sydney passed out from the fight with the Francinator, she was out for 3 days, and then went through 6 months of torture to break her down and get her to accept and believe that she is Julia Thorne.

Now going on what I outlined earlier about Jack's involvement with everything: Remember that Jack never seemed to like the idea of Syd and Vaughn being together. He said it himself: "Vaughn is just a boy who never deserved you". If Jack is for some reason or another trying to manipulate Sydney, it would be much easier to do so if Sydney thought that the only person she had to go to was him. And as long as Sydney had Vaughn, that would not be the case. So perhaps Jack saw it necessary to put someone between them...another woman.

So [i]what if[]/i] after Sydney's "funeral", Jack had Vaughn kidnapped, just like Sydney was? He could have it covered by making everyone believe that Vaughn had run off to somewhere in Europe to escape from his sorrow. And once Vaughn was kidnapped, he was brainwashed into thinking that he loves a certain woman, who ended up being Lauren.

If Will is gone and in witness protection, and if Francie is dead, if Irina is missing, and if Vaughn is in love with another woman, then the only person that Sydney would feel that she could truely turn to would be Jack, thus making manipulating her much easier.

[logan_weapon_x]

I was just watching season two when Francie and Sydney were fighting. Did anyone else think that it resembled the fight between Uma Thurman and Vivica Fox in Kill Bill, or is it just me?

[Superfreak]

Originally posted by imdaly

If Will is gone and in witness protection, and if Francie is dead, if Irina is missing, and if Vaughn is in love with another woman, then the only person that Sydney would feel that she could truely turn to would be Jack, thus making manipulating her much easier.

see, I've been thinking this for a while now. But the summary for this weekend's show seems to confuse the theory. Somthing about Jack having to assassinate Sloane.

I guess we don't really know Sloane's allegiance yet. That is one issue that hasn't been resolved. It is this mystery that is problematic to theorizing thus far. Who's side is he on? The convenant, Sydney's(cia), or his own?



Any theories on Mr. Tarentino's return. "kill this unimportant man." That's him for sure. Obviously he's covenant. But in what function? Any ideas. (I thought he died, but maybe he didn't, that was way back in first season)

[imdaly]

Originally posted by Superfreak
Any theories on Mr. Tarentino's return. "kill this unimportant man." That's him for sure. Obviously he's covenant. But in what function? Any ideas. (I thought he died, but maybe he didn't, that was way back in first season)

Well, that is most definitely him that we saw/heard. Mikenas Cole is back. And from the looks of it, I'd say he's the head of the Covenant.

He survived the whole heist from Season One's "The Box". Remember at the end, when he was in the parking garage, about to escape, and the CIA busted in and got him and the box? The CIA got him...my first question would be "how the heck did he get out of CIA'S custody?"

But ignoring that hole for now, I'm wondering how this all fits in.

We know from his last appearance that Cole was ex-SD6, where he was left for dead by his "pals" in SD-6 on a mission. And this caused his hatred for Sloane. I can only imagine that that must be even worse now.

So my thoughts are: perhaps the Covenant is a group started up by Cole in order to get in the way of whatever it is that Sloane is trying to do. A group who's sole purpose is to get in the way of Sloane. He could recruit a bunch of people who have been "abandoned" or betrayed by their former groups into the Covenant, for they would all have the same drive. It would THRILL me to see Ana Espinosa return! Remember her? She was K Directriate, another evil group that has been shattered. Covenant would be pefect for her!

Perhaps Sark this whole time has been working for Covenant, not just this season. He could have been hired by Cole to get close to Sloane, to keep tabs on him. And maybe one day Sark filled Cole in on all the Rambaldi stuff that was going on, and the importance of Sydney Bristow. Sark would also be perfect for the Covenant, because he was "betrayed" by his father. Another outcast in a group of outcasts.

Sark needed a way to get away from Sloane when the time came, so he made sure he was captured by CIA. This would remove any doubt from Sloane's mind of betrayal on Sark's part. And in order to get Sark out, they just arranged that trade. Sark knew exactly what was going on the whole time.

Now Sloane saw the Covenant as a threat to his plans, and obviously saw a need to take them down. But he would not be able to do it on his own, so he pretended to go clean, and got pardoned by the CIA as long as he did what he could to help the CIA bring the Covenant down (which is exactly what Sloane wanted done). And once the Covenant is out of the way, Sloane has almost no opposition, other than the CIA. We've seen him use unsuspecting people to bring down opposition to him before (the Alliance, anyone?). It would certainly not be out of character for him to do it again.

Little does Sloane realize though, that he is being played, too! Jack, as part of the Covenant for some unseen reason, has been using Sloane. He used him when he put "Julias's letter to Sydney" in his possesion to give to Sydney. And he's used him as a distraction. As long as Sloane is around, Syd will be so focused on every move that he is doing, that she would never notice what Jack is doing.


My question though is: If that was really Cole ordering Syd (Julia) to kill the unimportant man...wouldn't she have seen him or at least recognized his face, and told Kendall about Cole??

And did anyone notice how the didn't show the face of the doctor that helped Syd remove her memories? Me thinks it might be someone we already know! Could that be important?

And what on Earth was on that manuscript that was handed to Sloane by Conrad in Season Two's "Countdown"?

[Superfreak]

Ana Espinosa - She's the woman that Syd would always be competing with in first season right? The woman that she came face to face with in the Arena, where they had to memorize the rimbaldi code?


If that is her, I'd would like to see her return... she was the original 'francinator'... but she just dissappeared... then the 'real francinator' showed up.



I just came up with this theory, but it's a stretch:

what if the convenant knows that Sydney will never let them make the baby. So as a fallback plan, they've planted Lauren to infect Vaughn with somesort of genetic sperm virus... basically implanting him with Rimbaldi's DNA... so that in the future, when Syd and Vaughn finally get together again, they bring about Rimbaldi without knowing it.

A stretch... but possible for this show... as allegiances, and plot complications could allow this to happen. Any thoughts?

[imdaly]

Originally posted by Superfreak
Ana Espinosa - She's the woman that Syd would always be competing with in first season right? The woman that she came face to face with in the Arena, where they had to memorize the rimbaldi code?

Yes, that's the one!
http://www.twoevilmonks.org/alias/asimg/imagessn1/103/asd103_127.jpg

I just came up with this theory, but it's a stretch:

what if the convenant knows that Sydney will never let them make the baby. So as a fallback plan, they've planted Lauren to infect Vaughn with somesort of genetic sperm virus... basically implanting him with Rimbaldi's DNA... so that in the future, when Syd and Vaughn finally get together again, they bring about Rimbaldi without knowing it.

A stretch... but possible for this show... as allegiances, and plot complications could allow this to happen. Any thoughts?

Genetic SPERM VIRUS?!?!?!?!?....that's it, I'm never having sex again. :p

Yes, that IS a bit of a stretch, but as we all know, ANYTHING is possible on Alias! We'll just have to see. :D

[Superfreak]

like I said, a stretch...

[imdaly]

:D

Can't wait to see what happens tomorrow night!

[Superfreak]

for some odd reason, I'm thinking Jack is not the 'badguy' anymore.

Who is 'irina's' sister? Is it Irina... with a new body (ala Francinator)? Or is it her sister for real.

I have this feeling that Lauren is going to become 'first season sydney', working as a double agent trying to bring down the covenant...

And what is Sloane's purpose? Obviously it ties back to the letter he recieved in the temple.

So confused now... until next week I guess

[The Lizard]

OK- so the Covenant shot the pilots of Vaughn and Syd's plane with poison darts so the plane would crash and kill them?

1. Why didn't the assassin just shoot Syd and Vaughn directly? He had them in his sights.

2. Did the dipsticks at Covenant HQ actually think that Syd and Vaughn couldn't manage to land the plane themselves?

[WEB OF SPIDEY]

I'm gonna have to watch this show one day, if just for all the outfits she wears.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by WEB OF SPIDEY
I'm gonna have to watch this show one day, if just for all the outfits she wears.

Yeah -- this is still one of my favorites:
http://www.alias-tv.com/imgs/blonde.bmp

[WEB OF SPIDEY]

hmm yes I can see why

[imdaly]

Originally posted by WEB OF SPIDEY
I'm gonna have to watch this show one day, if just for all the outfits she wears.

You should! And do yourself a huge favor...start at the beginning and watch the episodes in order. Seriously, it's the only way.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by Superfreak
for some odd reason, I'm thinking Jack is not the 'badguy' anymore.

Yeah, this episode was just a huge "GUESS WHAT?! YOU WERE WRONG!!" to me. lol. Jack is definitely good with no involvement with the Covenant. Sorry I ever doubted you, Spydaddy.

Who is 'irina's' sister? Is it Irina... with a new body (ala Francinator)? Or is it her sister for real.

I'm pretty positive she's the real deal. Pretty brutal with the chopsticks, no? Reminds me of the move Irina did on that guy who played that game with the knife between another person's fingers.

I have this feeling that Lauren is going to become 'first season sydney', working as a double agent trying to bring down the covenant...

Y'know, I was kinda dissappointed in how this whole episode seemed to show us that Lauren is bad all through the episode. It actually got a little annoying, IMO.

And what is Sloane's purpose? Obviously it ties back to the letter he recieved in the temple.

...I have no clue...

So confused now... until next week I guess

Aww, man, looks like I'm gonna be the bearer of bad news...


We don't get a new episode of Alias for at least 4 weeks... :-(

[The Lizard]

So -- there won't be any post-superbowl episode like last year? :(

[Superfreak]

Lauren is so gonna be a good guy.

I don't think the point of the episode was to show that she was evil... but moreso to show that she sympathises with Vaughn... much like the 'historical' Jack and Irina relationship.

PS. If Isabella Rossilini is Irina, then is that it for Lena Olin? I hope not, and I'm assuming that Ken Olin is related to her in some way... and he's always in the credits, for writting, directing or producing. That kiss just confuses me. If she is Irina... I'm extremely dissappointed, yet curious. If it isn't Irina... then what the hell is going on?

PPS... this show is like bloody cocaine to me. It's the only show that I watch that is consistently good from week to week (or month to month)

[imdaly]

Originally posted by The Lizard
So -- there won't be any post-superbowl episode like last year? :(

No. ABC will be airing "Notting Hill" during the Super Bowl. I believe that CBS will be showing the Super Bowl this year, not ABC.

The next new episode: 3x13 "The Six", will air Feb. 15. :( It's gonna be a looooong wait.

Originally posted by Superfreak
Lauren is so gonna be a good guy.

I don't think the point of the episode was to show that she was evil... but moreso to show that she sympathises with Vaughn... much like the 'historical' Jack and Irina relationship.

Hmm...I hope that they will be able to give us an added twist to her, but I'm also hoping that they will be able to do something more..how do I say it...not-already-done-twice-on-Alias? Something original.

PS. If Isabella Rossilini is Irina, then is that it for Lena Olin? I hope not, and I'm assuming that Ken Olin is related to her in some way... and he's always in the credits, for writting, directing or producing. That kiss just confuses me. If she is Irina... I'm extremely dissappointed, yet curious. If it isn't Irina... then what the hell is going on?

As far as I know, she is definitely not supposed to be Irina. She's Irina's sister. For the forseeable future, Lena Olin (Irina) is not returning to the show, because she's wanting some huuuge amount of pay-per-episode if she were to return. So J.J. Abrahms is saying that he's trying and trying to arrange SOMETHING for her to come back, but it unfortunately isn't looking very good right now, so I'm willing to be that Irina's sister is the way around this problem. So in a way, this character IS Irina, in the sense that she is doing what Irina would have done, had they had the actress back. But she is NOT Irina in the "same DNA" sense.

PPS... this show is like bloody cocaine to me. It's the only show that I watch that is consistently good from week to week (or month to month)

I hear ya, buddy. I definitely hear ya on that one! I'm passing my Alias DVD's around like CRAZY to my friends to get them hooked. So far, I've converted 4 of my closest friends to the ways of Alias! Working on 3 more.

Gotta get those ratings up!!

[Psylock_fan]

NEED....MORE....ALIAS

[imdaly]

I Agree! No new episodes until Feb. 15th though :/

[3dman27]

i heards melissa george on e news live lat night and she said lauren IS TURNING EVIL

MORE SUPERHEROICS LESS TALKING HEADS

[Superfreak]

She's already evil

[imdaly]

HEADS UP!!!

I've got for you a link to 3 videos of the upcoming "Alias" video game!

Wow....this game is gonna be AWESOME!!

Seriously, could those character models look any MORE like the actual people???

I cannot wait for this game!!!

http://www.aliasthegame.com/videos/index.html

[ultimatefan]

You know what, when I first tried to watch the show, it was the middle of first season, I felt lost, there were too many subplots, so I kinda gave up on it... This week, AXN started to show it everday at 7 PM in my Country, so I started to watch from the pilot and enjoyed it... It´s a fine show, but it´s a little tough to catch up on it if you don´t watch from the beginning and keep going.

[BlackSymbiote]

I'm halfway through the season 2 DVD box set and I have to say this show kicks a lot of ass. I'm downloading the season 3 episodes that I missed so I can catch up, but it's going to be a LOOOONG wait.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by ultimatefan
You know what, when I first tried to watch the show, it was the middle of first season, I felt lost, there were too many subplots, so I kinda gave up on it... This week, AXN started to show it everday at 7 PM in my Country, so I started to watch from the pilot and enjoyed it... It´s a fine show, but it´s a little tough to catch up on it if you don´t watch from the beginning and keep going.

I can TOTALLY see what you mean. This show is one of those shows that you really have to see from the begining, and not missing an episode to FULLY understand it. So much happens in each episode that is crucial to the plot, that there's really no other way around it.

I was fortunate enough to start watching from the pilot. I had really enjoyed Jennifer Garner from her role in "Daredevil", so I figured I'd download the first episode of "Alias", which I heard was great, but never was too interested in trying it out.

I was blown away, and have been an Alias Fanatic since!

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
I'm halfway through the season 2 DVD box set and I have to say this show kicks a lot of ass. I'm downloading the season 3 episodes that I missed so I can catch up, but it's going to be a LOOOONG wait.

Dude, I feel ya. But for me, I had to wait and download every single episode from the start of Season 1, to the end of Season 2. That took FOREVER, but was well worth the wait.

This right here can be a PERFECT example of why downloading of TV shows can HELP the company, not hurt it. If I hadn't been able to watch this show for free from the beginning, I would have never given this show a shot. And since I DID, and LOVED IT, the company now is in possession of my money that went to buy Season 1 on DVD, Season 2 on DVD, every other season that ever comes out on DVD, the Official Guide to Alias book, the Alias game when it comes out, and every issue of "Alias Magazine" that has and will come out. This company BENEFITED from me downloading two entire seasons of Alias, which are now deleted because I own the DVDs.

[nabob1982]

imdaly sounds like someone I know, kind of like me, even up to watching DD and liking her in it. Only differece is that I watched season 2 when it came out on dvd and not quite in sequence ( I knew about the two years unfortunaltly)

The way they are scheduling this show can't be helping ratings though, I know it has great demographics but something like this doesn't help.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by imdaly
Dude, I feel ya. But for me, I had to wait and download every single episode from the start of Season 1, to the end of Season 2. That took FOREVER, but was well worth the wait.

Whoa! That is a lot of episodes, but yeah they were worth it. They started off a little slow in the beginning and I wasn't sure if I liked it or not, and then by like the third episode I was going "Hell yeah!"

You know, JJ Abrams directed a few of these episodes as well as wrote. Wonder why the WB isn't considering HIM to direct Superman. Yeah, I know there's a different between a medium budget TV series and a bigger budget than God epic movie, but I'm sure he could adapt.

This right here can be a PERFECT example of why downloading of TV shows can HELP the company, not hurt it. If I hadn't been able to watch this show for free from the beginning, I would have never given this show a shot. And since I DID, and LOVED IT, the company now is in possession of my money that went to buy Season 1 on DVD, Season 2 on DVD, every other season that ever comes out on DVD, the Official Guide to Alias book, the Alias game when it comes out, and every issue of "Alias Magazine" that has and will come out. This company BENEFITED from me downloading two entire seasons of Alias, which are now deleted because I own the DVDs.

There's an Alias Magazine?

But yeah, I hear ya. I'm downloading the episodes and I plan to start watching it when the new episode airs on Sunday, yet downloading those episodes to watch it in order and catch things I missed. But when the DVDs come out, I'll get those too. Only things I don't like about the DVDs is waiting for the season to end, especially if you're a new fan, like myself.

However, does anyone know a place I can download all of season 3 that's NOT bittorrent, or at least on a faster server/more seeders that Suprnova? The one I'm downloading has been going SLOOOOOOOOW or not at all for the past two days.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
There's an Alias Magazine?

Issue #1
http://www.expressmag.com/img/catalog/2ALIAS.gif

Issue #2
http://www.titanmagazines.com/images/alias/aliasuk02.jpg

Issue #3 comes out Feb. 17th. You can find them at Barnes and Noble, Borders, Blockbuster, Suncoast, and Waldon Books. The issues come out every other month and are FILLED with Alias goodies!


Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
However, does anyone know a place I can download all of season 3 that's NOT bittorrent, or at least on a faster server/more seeders that Suprnova? The one I'm downloading has been going SLOOOOOOOOW or not at all for the past two days.

Kazaa for me, but anywhere you go it's gonna be sloooooowwwww.

[ultimatefan]

Oh, I forgot to say I really love the musical theme that plays with the final credits. One of the best spy themes I listened to.

[Psylock_fan]

Who do u think is the familiar foe in the next new episode?

[Psylock_fan]

oh i forgot to mention i think its ana

[Superfreak]

when's the next bloody episode?

[armyofme]

I think the old foe is supposed to be Quentin Tarentino's character. It would be frickin' sweet if it was Anna though.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by armyofme
I think the old foe is supposed to be Quentin Tarentino's character. It would be frickin' sweet if it was Anna though.

According to ABC, it IS Tarentino.

But whatever happened to Anna though? She was supposed to be Sydney's huge arch nemisis and then is never heard from again halfway through the first season.

Personally I think it would've made much more sense to have ANNA be the person who became Francie's genetic double than some complete unknown who's name and history were never even mentioned before.

It would've given the fight at the end of The Telling much more impact and drama.

[Psylock_fan]

Thats a great point and the next episode is feb. 15

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Psylock_fan
Thats a great point and the next episode is feb. 15

Thank you. I'll be sure to watch. And if my episodes aren't done downloading, I'll go read some spoilers.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
Thank you. I'll be sure to watch. And if my episodes aren't done downloading, I'll go read some spoilers.

I'll pray that your episodes get finished by then, BUT:

If you don't get them downloaded in time, I would definitely reccommend you get your episode summaries here:

http://www.twoevilmonks.org/alias/aliaseps3.htm

This site has awesome (humorous) summaries of every single episode so far of Alias, USING SCREENCAPS! Even after I've seen the episode, I always make it a habit to check out the summaries on this site, because they are so tounge-in-cheek, and sometimes it helps make a little more sense out of things.

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The "familiar face" is Mikenas Cole, played by Quinten Tarintino. He was the baddie from season 1's "The Box" part 1 and 2. If you listen carefully, you will notice that he already made a semi-appearance in "Full Disclosure" a couple episodes ago. He was the man that told Sydney (as Julia) to stab the "unimportant man". :D Can't wait to have him back!

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And I agree, I'd love to see Ana Espinosa back. AND....isn't it time we got a Season 3 appearance from "Suit and Glasses"? ;)

[Psylock_fan]

Is Francie (Alison) Really dead this time?

[imdaly]

I seriously doubt it. It's looking like it'll take a beheading or something similar to get that b**** finished.

[imdaly]

Oh, and we get another great guest star in next week's episode!

Vivica A. Fox

[Psylock_fan]

lol thats so true

[Psylock_fan]

The gest kinda looks like Ana. hum.....

[imdaly]

It's not Ana.

If you guys REALLY want to be spoiled about things ASAP, bookmark www.alias-media.com

[Psylock_fan]

Thanx

[Superfreak]

I hate this time of year for alias. too many goddamn award shows... and then like a month from now... we're bumped again for the oscars... bloody annoying STUPID AWARDS SHOWS

[imdaly]

I agree completely. BUT, that just means that we must have a good 7 or 8 episode run of new episodes each week at the end of the season.

There aren't too many Sundays left until May.

[imdaly]

Oh, and btw, some DVD news!

Alias: Season 3 will be released on DVD on September 7, 2004!

Tentative Special Features Include:

* Audio Commentaries, including the "Biggest Alias Fan," who will be chosen in a national promotion
* "Burbank to Barcelona" - a featurette on production design, and how the show creates cities around the world
* "An Inside Look at the Gadget Lab" - see Marshall Finkman's gadgets go from script to screen
* "The Alias Diaries" - meet the unsung craftsmen and technicians who bring the show to life, and go behind the scenes as they interact with the creators
* Script Scanner
* Deleted Scenes
* Blooper Reel
* And More!

:D I can't wait!

[Psylock_fan]

Awsome thats gonna be great

[BlackSymbiote]

September 7th? Damn. Oh well, that's what the Internet is for. It will make the wait shorter.

[imdaly]

Speaking of a shorter wait, new eppy of Alias in 2 days!!

[Psylock_fan]

SLONE IS SYD'S FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND 3 WEEKS THAT SUX

[jollyjohnny]

dude, Quentin was on Alias..

[Abaddon]

WTf is going on.....please use spoiler tags for the big stuff.

[The Lizard]

"Evil Lauren" is pretty hot, but I'm going to be quite pissed if she ends up sleeping with Sark.

Oh, and I want to see Quentin Tarrentino get a bullet through the head.

[armyofme]

Anyone else hoping the real boss of the Covenant is Anna Espinosa? Or better yet, Irina?

[imdaly]

Ok, this goes down as one of my favorite espisodes of Alias ever.

Wow. Awesome episode!

First off, about the little spoiler in the next-episode-preview:
I HIGHLY doubt that they would give something huge like Sloane being Syd's father away in a preview. Now, of course, I've noticed tons and tons of potential hints to this since the beginning of the first season. In fact, I've argued my case about it to my friends fairly well. The ONLY thing that keeps me from completely believing this is that I don't think JJ Abrahms would ever go that route....but then again, that's what he' so great for: Doing the unthinkable. Now seeing this "revealed" in a preview, I seriously don't think it's true. Nothing is ever as it seems in the previews.


Now on to last night's episode.

TONS OF SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!

Wow. So great. So great! First of all, I don't care how much anybody hates Lauren's character: she's hot as heck in that changing room scene. I'm LOVING Sark/Lauren together. Two master manipulators forging a partnership that we KNOW is going to get twisted!

Now of course, I along with many other people, I'm guessing, knew of Sark's abilities, and was awaiting his betrayal of Lauren...never would have guessed it was the other way around! Wow...seriously, Lauren shot way up on my approval ratings when she played Sark like that. "She's good...she's reeeeeallll good" is what I kept saying.

Mekenas Cole is back this eppy. Now, I knew he was coming back this episode, but I think I almost forgot how crazy and evil he acts. Seriously I LOVE this character. He's just a giant worm in a human's body. Very slippery. And did you see the look on his face when he knew he was found out??? Wowzers. Classic.

The Mission: Infiltrate that building with the insanely awesome boobytrapped tunnel. Freaking cool! First of all, I WANT an inflatable kevlar ball now. Too cool! The acid bath?!?! Neato! And the electried wall....

...ok, HUGE amount of suspicion here...Sydney freaking touched that wall...and didn't even FLINCH?!?! The same wall that set a glove on FIRE??? Ok, something's up here....

First we have Francie-Clone getting "killed" twice...and still coming back.

Second, we have Sloane get shot in the chest....and he recovers WAYYY too quickly.

Now we have Syd bump up against a 50,000 volt electrified wall...and it doesn't even FAZE her!

SOMEBODY'S slipped an immortality juice in these people or something.

Which brings me to my next subject: Sloane. Boy oh boy did we get a lot of him this episode! His talk with Jack was very intense! And jack recommends our friendly Phychiotrist to him? Coolness. But wait, Sloane refuses to talk to her...until after he's done injecting himself with some wierd liquid...hmmm....Tracking device? Antidote to Imortality juice? What on Earth was that?!?

And ok, so now we see that something is realllly bugging Sloane. Some sort of huge secret is weighing on his mind that has to do with Jack and Syd....hmm...and AHHH when the suspenseful music was playing, and Sloane looked like he was going to spill the beans...I WAS ABOUT TO FREAK OUT!!! ...but he didn't...and I threw my pillow.

Marshall. GREAT episode for him! So Carrie goes into labor, right in the middle of a crucial life-or-death mission. This was freaking hilarious!! "I want to be married before I give birth". And Marshall bringing up the website so that Weiss can become a Minister of the Church of Mammals "in less than 3 minutes"??? HAHAHAHA


Well, I think I've rambled off enough for now. I just can't get over how action-packed and plot-advancing this episode was! Flippin' AWESOME!!!

20 days til the next new episode :D

[imdaly]

Originally posted by armyofme
Anyone else hoping the real boss of the Covenant is Anna Espinosa? Or better yet, Irina?

Actually, yes. I mentioned that to my friend as we were watching it last night. "It would be awesome if Ana Espinosa was the leader of the Covenant". He didn't think that'll be it, but I just REALLY want to see what's happened to her since we last saw her waaaayyyy back in the first season. After all, she's got that freakin Eye of Rambaldi on her hand! SHE'S IMPORTANT!!

And as for Irina: how great would it be if JJ Abrahms has gone around and made everyone know that Lena Olin has refused to come back to do more episodes, and then pull the carpet out from under feet by having her show up out of nowhere in an episode! "Haha. Yeah she never refused to shoot more episodes. We just wanted to suprise the hell out of you guys when she actually shows up again! It was planned all along!"...I can SO see this happening!

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by imdaly


20 days til the next new episode :D


I realize the Oscars are coming, but this still made me mad.

[imdaly]

Ahh but we're almost through the slump of waiting 3 weeks each time for a new ep!

Episode 14 airs March. 7...there are 22 episodes this season.

That means we have 8 episodes left after March 7th....the seasons usually finish around the middle of May.

SO, after March 7, we have only 10 Sundays left until the middle of May...

10 Sundays to fit 8 new episodes in! That's only 2 reruns in a 10 week run!

[The Lizard]

I wanted Allison Doran to die, but Will killing her seemed unlikely. If she's coming back from the dead again, she needs to do it quick, and maybe team up with Ana Espinoza.

I for one hope the "Sloane is Syd's dad" thing is just a scam. It got old on The X-Files, and it's too obvious to take seriously on Alias.

[imdaly]

Originally posted by The Lizard
I for one hope the "Sloane is Syd's dad" thing is just a scam. It got old on The X-Files, and it's too obvious to take seriously on Alias.

EXACTLY.

But then again...I also believed that having Lauren be a bad guy was also too obvious and easy.....so who knows!

[Psylock_fan]

Is any 1 gonna get the game?

[armyofme]

has it come out yet? I was wondering if it was any good.

[imdaly]

I'll DEFINITELY be getting it!

Have you seen the videos for it??? They look AWESOME!!

It doesn't come out until April 6th.

[Superfreak]

Originally posted by imdaly


Which brings me to my next subject: Sloane. Boy oh boy did we get a lot of him this episode! His talk with Jack was very intense! And jack recommends our friendly Phychiotrist to him? Coolness. But wait, Sloane refuses to talk to her...until after he's done injecting himself with some wierd liquid...hmmm....Tracking device? Antidote to Imortality juice? What on Earth was that?!?



I know Iknow!!!!!

See, it's Kryptonite from Smallville. It's now invaded Alias. The Freak of the Week has invaded everything.

sorry so OT.

I, didn't like the episode much myself. I have so many questions, and I don't think that episode really advanced anything for me... other than the return of Quentin ( "you cried, like little baby")

Sloane as Syd's dad???? Never gonna happen. Way Way Way to obvious. Maybe sloane's going crazy and feels like that in his head.... or he's plotting at something truely evil.



Irina will not be the 'man' behind the covenant... why would they do that... AGAIN. That would be no suprise. Irina was 'theman' before, the last time they revealled the secret leader of an evil organization.

I WANNA SEE MORE OF ROGER MOORE. He was by far my favorite cameo... yet he did NOTHING. I hope he returns at some point to raise some hell. PS. That Roger Moore episode was the reason I started watching alias

[Psylock_fan]

Next Episode: Sunday, March 7
"Blowback"

In the episode — told through the eyes of Sydney and Vaughn and then reversed to see how the story unfolds through Lauren and Sark's perspective — Sydney and Vaughn are ambushed by unknown assailants while trying to retrieve a bomb. Meanwhile, Lauren and Sark continue to solidify their new partnership, Sloane divulges a dark secret to Dr. Barnett (Patricia Wettig) and Marshall shows the strains of new fatherhood.

[Superfreak]

that sounds...umm...boring

[Psylock_fan]

no not really the commercial looked good

[Abaddon]

SH^T! I missed the ep..It sounds good.From what I've read here about next weeks ep. Maybe Sloane doesnt mean he's Syds biological dad.But that he recreated somehow(Figuratively) and sort of "gave birth" to the new Syd or something like that.He's probably done something to her.Oh and ,sh^T I missed the ep.

Was it better then the dream ep?

[Superfreak]

no... but Sark and Lauren going around the world of a killing spree was pretty entertaining... especially since Lauren seems to get off on killing people, and Sark is just plain horny

[ultimatefan]

You know, I´m watching the first season on AXN... And the one thing I HATED was... Quentin Tarantino´s character. I found him annoying and one-dimensional. I was expecting him to do BWA-HAHAHAHAHA! at some point...

[Psylock_fan]

Interesting...

[Superfreak]

I have this feeling that Cole, Reed, and Sark(unknowingly) work for the CIA.

I've been asking myself... who else, besides the covenant wants the Rimbaldi prophecy to come true?

The only answer I could come up with is the CIA. Project 'black hole'. Could this be an elaborate plan to force Sydney to bring about the prophecy... for the CIA?

[armyofme]

Or maybe Cole and Lauren are aware? Remember that Cole never explained how he got out of CIA custody. Maybe that's because he didn't?

[Superfreak]

that's what I'm thinking, and it's all one big CIA plot to get Sydney to willingly bring about the prophecy.

[Psylock_fan]

Nice theory i like it

[Abaddon]

What was the prophecy again?Something about Syd ruining Rambauldi.,right?

Anyway,I think the boss of the Covenant isnt Sloane(too predictable) but Irina.Or if not,then probably someone familiar.

maybe that Asian torture doctor again. :p

[Superfreak]

Asian Torture man is dead, if I remember correctly... I liked to call him 'the dentist'. I think Syd killed him at some point.

IT WILL NOT BE IRINA... if they (the writers) did that, then this show would drop a couple points in my book. Why? B/c that has already been done. Remember when Irian was the 'Man'. It'd be the exact same.

I'm still betting on Jack becoming a villain, while Sloane becomes an ally.

[imdaly]

The official "name" for the dentist asian man is "Suit and Glasses". I would LOVE to see him again. He is still very much alive. And in fact, in the first issue of the new Alias magazine that came out this fall, when asked "Will Suit and Glasses ever return?", JJ responded "I don't think a season of Alias is complete without Suit and Glasses! I love that guy."
Hmm...maybe we're on to something!

Head of the Covenant:
Sloane? WAYYYY too predictable
Jack? I love it!..but might not work...but I would welcome it.
Irina? She's already been "the Man". Again, Too predictable.

How about Ana Espinosa? Francie Calfo (notice I didn't say Allison Doren ;) )? Carrie? Danny? Will? That crazy doctor's assistant?

It could be anyone! Can't wait to see who it is!

Oh, and Abbadon, here's the exact text of the Prophecy:

"This woman here depicted will possess unseen marks. Signs that she will be the one to bring forth my works. Bind them with fury. A burning anger, unless prevented. At vulgar cost, this woman will render the greatest power unto utter desolation. This woman, without pretense, will have had her effect, never having seen the beauty of my sky behind Mt. Subasio. Perhaps a single glance would have quelled her fire."

[Superfreak]

Ok, here's my reasoning. How did Lauren know to break things off with Syd at the end of the last episode????

Cole told her something at the end of the meeting with Sark... which caused Lauren to tell Sydney to stay away from Vaughen.

What did Cole tell Lauren? Could it be that Cole told Lauren that Syd and Vaughen kissed in North Korea?

If so, only a few people know about that.... ie. The Psychiatrist, who is now working on Sloane (Syd told her she kissed Vaughen at the beginning of the episode)

So I'm thinking she (the psychiatrist) may have a growing role in the show....




And this all lead me to theorize that it is the CIA behind the Covenant. All part of a big plot to convince Syd to willingly be Rimbaldi's Mother for Project Blackhole.

[The Lizard]

Cole (Quentin T.) showed Lauren a file (with a photo?) when she was at Covenant HQ and said that she needed to put an end to Vaughn's "sextracuricular activities". Presumably the pic was of Vaughn and Syd kissing in Korea.

What's odd to me is that Lauren went storming up to Syd back at the CIA office and told her to "stay the hell away from" Vaughn. That seemed like an awfully risky emotional outburst considering that Lauren shouldn't be able to explain WHY she has any suspicions about Syd and Vaughn if anyone were to ask her.

Somehow I think that, evil or not, Lauren really does love Vaughn. If she ends up in bed with sleazy Sark on the March 7 episode, it will just be because she thinks Vaughn is having an affair with Syd.

BTW, has anyone noticed that Lauren's black eyeliner is thick and all over her face during her "evil" scenes with Sark, but she looks normal when she's back at the CIA office? Nothing gets a person more in touch with their evil side than over-applying eyeliner, I guess.

[Superfreak]

It's her secret disguise... like Superman/Clark Kent (a disguise on TV, that would never work in the real world)

[imdaly]

^^lol^^

[Superfreak]

I thought the waits between episodes on Smallville was bad... but this is BAD

Getting excited to see what happens next week.

[imdaly]

Just some random slice of insanity that I found out today while reading USA Today:

You'll never guess the name of the woman who was the first wife of John Kerry, Democratic Presidential-Runner.....









....Julia Thorne!

[imdaly]

Just 2 days until the next new episode!!!

Are you ready?

[Superfreak]

I'm thinking Alias should shoot on a stargate SG-1 schedual

SG-1 airs the first half of their season in the late summer, early fall... then the last halfin the winter months... leaving their season finale next week...

Alias seems to follow the same schedual... just a few months 'later'.

I mean honestly... 3 months = 1 episode... that's pretty weak, especially during the winter when you're often trapped inside.



But I am excited... but I sense dissappointment for some odd reason.... it'll get better, but I'm thinking this new episode will be annoying... just because it won't go anywhere after such a long break

[Psylock_fan]

New Episode...TODAY!!!!

[Superfreak]

Originally posted by Superfreak
But I am excited... but I sense dissappointment for some odd reason.... it'll get better, but I'm thinking this new episode will be annoying... just because it won't go anywhere after such a long break

...hmmm

[Abaddon]

Originally posted by imdaly
Just some random slice of insanity that I found out today while reading USA Today:

You'll never guess the name of the woman who was the first wife of John Kerry, Democratic Presidential-Runner.....




....Julia Thorne!


Interesting.:cool:

[The Lizard]

Some thoughts about the mostly NON-earthshattering episode from 3/07/04:

SPOILERS:

Sloane reveals to the CIA therapist (Patricia Wettig) that he had an brief affair with Irina back in the day and doen't know whether or not Syd is his daughter. Sloane says that he recognizes Syndey's "drive" as his own. Yeah, right -- like Jack Bristow has less "drive" than Sloane? I think not.


Lauren gets all hot and bothered after escaping unseen with Sark from Syd and Vaughn and does the horizontal mambo with Sark. The total change in her character calculated to make us suddenly justified in hating her is now complete in its predictability.

Lauren didn't even seem too distressed when Sark later shot Vaughn several times in his (bullet proof-jacketed) chest, even though Vaughn might have been dead for all she knew. So I suppose she no longer cares if Vaughn lives or dies, huh? Whatever.

Lauren is still not very complementary towards Sark, and I suppose that's why Sark said that stupid thing about making Vaughn drop his gun "if he loved" Sydney while the hooded and disguised Lauren was looking on. I'm still wondering how Sark got the drop on Syd in the first place? Seemed like a plot device to me, since we all know that Syd is the better fighter.

Anyway, now that Lauren is no longer an interesting character to me, I'm hoping she gets busted as a baddie reasonably soon, so we can just move on.


One good thing that might come from this whole Lauren storyline is that Vaughn will now have another VERY important thing in common with Jack Bristow. Both men will have been deceived by their "evil-spy" wives. Perhaps this fact will eventually cause Jack to forgive Vaughn when Vaughn inevitably goes back to Sydney.

[Superfreak]

agreed...

Lauren is going to be going down soon I think.

Why? *****on just put Jack in charge of a mole hunt. I'd really like to see Lauren and Jack go head to head.

But I have a feeling that Vaughn will be the obvious mole (thanks to Lauren)... but Syd will intervene... and the truth will be discovered about Lauren, then Jack will go to town on Lauren's ass

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Superfreak
the truth will be discovered about Lauren, then Jack will go to town on Lauren's ass


That would be nice.

I love it when Jack goes to town. Victor Garber's acting kicks all kinds of ass in this series as well.

[Superfreak]

I love it too... I think its one of the reasons I keep coming back to watch. Whenever Jack 'goes to work', the crap usually hits the fan.

I just remember the first mission we saw him go on... to Cuba. He was so bad ass. He hasn't done much this season... except 'daddy' Sydney.

[Psylock_fan]

Thats exactly what i thought when i was wtching it on Sunday

[Superfreak]

P.S. I Also think that the Psychologist is the bad guy.

No one else knew that Syd and Vaughn made out in Korea. So She's the only one that could have told the Covenant that... and motivating Lauren to try and push Syd and Vaughn further apart.... I think

[nabob1982]

I know this may be back tracking a bit, but what does that page that lindsey showed sloane have to do with everything.... I think that page is kind of vital (or whats on it anyways).... Oh yeah i bet ricky gervais character (the bomber in next weeks episode) has to do with sydney's missing two years (which I don't think we know totally about here, there was some stuff left out i.e. why didn't sydney destroy the rambaldi DNA (I think that's what it was) in full disclosure)

PS this is pure speculation, not spoliers

[Superfreak]

Originally posted by Superfreak
P.S. I Also think that the Psychologist is the bad guy.

No one else knew that Syd and Vaughn made out in Korea. So She's the only one that could have told the Covenant that... and motivating Lauren to try and push Syd and Vaughn further apart.... I think

The post above this one may tie in with what I said. I'm thinking the psychologist is also the badguy... because what was the first thing she tried to discuss with Sloane over dinner? 'why were there meters of parchment prior to the rimbaldi message?'

She's gotta be the badguy

[Psylock_fan]

hmm..... I really don't think shes the bad guy. And i got a question what was thr Rambaldi device they built at the end of season 2?

[Superfreak]

The psychiatrist is looking more and more evil. As if she's bonking Sloane now. I thought that was a little sudden

Sark back in custody... should make for and interesting 'love square'... especially now that Lauren, Vaughn, Syd and Sark will be under the same roof. I thought Sark might just get away,,, especially when he got the knife, but Vaughn knocked him a good one up side the head.

Jack is back!!!! that was awesome. 'He's ready to die.... let's test that theory'.

It should be fun to watch some of the relationship aftermath of this episode... because with Sark at CIA, this situation might just get out of hand.

[Psylock_fan]

thats gonna be good...

[Superfreak]

LAUREN IS FINISHED

It can't get any more obvious than that. Jack is gonna pull some krazy kung fu torture **** on her ass

[The Lizard]

I hope so.

I wonder why she was somewhat sypathetic to the "nightmare" that Dixon was going through when she was speaking to Sark...

[armyofme]

I think she's sympathetic because the only real person she holds ill will towards Sydney, just as Sydney only really wanted to punish Sloane when she was a double agent.

Also from some of the spoilers I'm hearing, her motives are not entirely evil and there is a very good reason Lauren hates Sydney that goes way beyond Vaughn. It could be totally false, but if it's not, it should make for a REALLY good reveal and confrontation.

[Abaddon]

I still hate her for sleeping with Sark.That was just low.

[Superfreak]

well she's obviously going to turn into a good guy at some point, that much is obvious. And I have an odd suspicion that Sark will also be a good guy at some point

I kind of getting bored of the covenant though, this faceless enemy.

[armyofme]

I'm at least hoping the revelation about who really runs the show with the Covenant is a good one (come on Anna Espinosa <crosses fingers>).

Personally though, the whole Covenant plot has been beside the point for me. I've been more interested in trying to figure out where they're going with Lauren and what her motives are.

[Paradoxium]

Lauren = Sydney's sister. Now thats a twist :D

[Obsidian]

Christian Bale needs to guest star on Alias! This is his kind of show!:mad:

[Psylock_fan]

Originally posted by Paradoxium
Lauren = Sydney's sister. Now thats a twist :D
Thats exactly what i was thinking weird...

[imdaly]

Originally posted by Paradoxium
Lauren = Sydney's sister. Now thats a twist :D

Not quite. BUT there IS a HUGE revelation coming up in the next couple episodes that will shake the SpyFam!

I'm not sure if this revelation is something I'm going to like or not, but it definitely is going to be big....

...remember "the passenger"? :D

[Superfreak]

shake up the spy fam... maybe sloane will be telling the truth

[imdaly]

Originally posted by Superfreak
shake up the spy fam... maybe sloane will be telling the truth

He is...but the creaters of the show are trying to mislead us as to what that means...:D

[imdaly]

OH! And get a load of THIS!

http://dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=3603&n=1&k=alias&burl=r%3D0%26g%3Dinfo%26s%3D1%26k%3Dalias

AWESOME!

[Superfreak]

Originally posted by imdaly
He is...but the creaters of the show are trying to mislead us as to what that means...:D

what the hell is that supposed to mean... don't tease me

[Paradoxium]

Sloane = Not Sydney's father but father of her sister

[Abaddon]

Is her sister.....Anna Espinosa?:eek: ;)

[Superfreak]

she's black you fool.... :D

uh, so Lauren can't be Syd's sister... right?

man, there are too many loose ends this season... who was Isabella Rosilini? Was she Irina's sister? What the hell was that? And that was a long time ago

[Abaddon]

Originally posted by Superfreak
she's black you fool.... :D

uh, so Lauren can't be Syd's sister... right?

man, there are too many loose ends this season... who was Isabella Rosilini? Was she Irina's sister? What the hell was that? And that was a long time ago


So what if shes black?!He could still be her dad,dum-dum!:rolleyes:


And Isabella was Irina's sister,and she said that Irina has plans...:confused:

[imdaly]

Originally posted by Paradoxium
Sloane = Not Sydney's father but father of her sister

You are wise, my friend.

[Superfreak]

Originally posted by Abaddon
So what if shes black?!He could still be her dad,dum-dum!:rolleyes:


And Isabella was Irina's sister,and she said that Irina has plans...:confused:

hows that work... if she's black, and Sloane is white, and Irina is white, it doesn't make sense, especially if Syd is her sister

The only way I could see that happening is if they still had that seudo cloning tech to genetically 'disguise' someone ala Francinator... (hmmm that's interesting, because the Francinator was White before, I think that was mentioned when Sark and her were reunited)

[imdaly]

Originally posted by Superfreak
The only way I could see that happening is if they still had that seudo cloning tech to genetically 'disguise' someone ala Francinator... (hmmm that's interesting, because the Francinator was White before, I think that was mentioned when Sark and her were reunited)


Whoa whoa whoa! I'm not sure what YOU were watching, but "Francinator" has always been black. Black as Franinator. Black as Alison Doren. Remember the picture of her as a kid?

[Superfreak]

nope, but there's just too much to remember now, I trust you

[imdaly]

lol. Here. Copy this and paste it into your address bar:

http://www.alias-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/telling/telling-718.jpg

(won't allow direct linking. Sorry)

[Superfreak]

then who's the sister?

[imdaly]

somebody completely new

[Superfreak]

I WANT ROGER MOORE BACK!!!!!

I think the episode where he guest starred was the reason I started watching way back in first season... I hope he returns

[Abaddon]

I just want Anna back.

[Superfreak]

**** anna, Roger Moore is so much cooler

[Abaddon]

Connery was the better Bond.

[Superfreak]

perhaps, but I still love Moore, something about him being so snobby, yet strangely intelligent.... he's always fun to watch

[Superfreak]

That was awesome... when the mother just grabbed the gun, and was like 'I'll do it, we didn't think you had the balls'

so, the traveller? now I'm really confused, thanks alot

[armyofme]

it's the passenger, and believe me that revelation is gonna be gooooooood.
but anyway, this was easily the best episode all year and the next one looks even better.

[Superfreak]

In canada, they never show the preview for next week... which makes it a little more exciting, b/c I have no clue whats gonna happen next.

That's why I come here.

Yeah, the passenger... duh.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Superfreak
That was awesome... when the mother just grabbed the gun, and was like 'I'll do it, we didn't think you had the balls'


You knew Lauren was going to do something EVIL when she walked into the room where her dad was, because her EVIL black eyemakeup was all over the place again!

Poor Sydney -- if Irina ever cames back then maybe Syd and her mom can beat up Lauren and her mom.

Vaughn looks like he's still going to stick up for Lauren when she gets accused of EVIL in the scenes from the next episode, which makes me just want to smack him.


Gotta wait 2 weeks until that next episode though, thanks to The Ten Commandments. Grrrrrr....

[armyofme]

and on top of that it's getting pushed back to ten oclock that week for the ****ing Nick and Jessica variety hour (?!)

[Abaddon]

I saw the mother being evil coming a mile away.And I'm disappointed that theyre heading in the direction I dreaded.I was glad that Jack would be the one to out Lauren,because I was afraid theyd go for that sappy dramatic crap where Syd finds out,and tries to tell Vaughn but he doesnt believe her.

And I've realized that the show has a pattern on having evil duplicitous women each season.I've dubbed them:

The B*tch Bads

Here's a list of them- Irina,Allison(fake Francie),and now Lauren.

[Superfreak]

do you suppose that the senator's wife is one of irina's sisters?

[Abaddon]

Maybe.

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Superfreak
do you suppose that the senator's wife is one of irina's sisters?

The actress does look a little bit like Lena Olin in the face.

[Superfreak]

I think that would be a nice little twist, because that would make Lauren and Syd cousins. And do you think Jack believed her story.
Because that whole scene was extremely tense. Especially the last shot, with Jack glaring at Lauren and her Mother hugging

[Abaddon]

I think Jack is too smart to fall for that b.s.

[armyofme]

but oh how great would it be if Irina was head of the Covenant?

[Superfreak]

Been there, done that....

Remember, she was "The Man" in the first season

[armyofme]

true
I just think the show needs Irina back

[Psylock_fan]

how long will Lauren last?
I think they will know in one episode but nothing will happen untill two episodes

[armyofme]

I've heard she'll still be around next year, albeit bumped down to recurring status.