The ONLY Offical SHH! Myspace Thread--Don't Make More!

[DeaDheaD]

So the shrink had the genius idea of letting a crazy get on the internet? Or was that mom and dad
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[Majik1387]

AAHAHAHAHAHA!:woot:
I'm not trying to be funny. It really makes no sense. She was a 5' 5" 175lb girl, she's too tall and heavy to hang herself in a closet.:huh:

[DeaDheaD]

I remember the guy who showed up naked with his cat.....hilarious and sad all at the same time....
McDonalds and Beer........I especially love those guys :up:

[Matt]

So the shrink had the genius idea of letting a crazy get on the internet? Or was that mom and dad

But based on the article, we can draw the assumption that they were incredibly vigilant about their daughter's activities.

[Mr Jide]

People are acting like the kid was 16 or 18, she was 13 years old, I know that I was a complete dumbass at that age.

I know i was looking at porn at that age and not going batty over some girl who told me to kill myself because she heard i was a bad person.

[Carcharodon]

It's funny...my g/f agrees with Wilhelm 100%, and made an argument that mirrored his almost word-for-word.

"People like that shouldn't live to procreate. Obviously she agreed. :up:"

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I know i was looking at porn at that age and not going batty over some girl who told me to kill myself because she heard i was a bad person.TMI, I don't do that sort of thing but um...umm...good for you.:huh:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's funny...my g/f agrees with Wilhelm 100%, and made an argument that mirrored his almost word-for-word.

"People like that shouldn't live to procreate. Obviously she agreed. :up:"I think that Whillem should be added to the no procration list, your GF to I suppose.

[Majik1387]

Yeah I don't believe this story one bit.

[BlackLantern]

I read it....it seems like whoever wrote it took the story real personal....its entirely too long and just seems like it was hastily written....

[Mr Jide]

TMI, I don't do that sort of thing but um...umm...good for you.:huh:

Good for me indeed because my ass is still alive.

[Carcharodon]

Way-delayed double-post.

[Carcharodon]

I think that Whillem should be added to the no procration list, your GF to I suppose.Too bad your mom wasn't. :csad:

[terry78]

悪魔天 has a knack for finding wierd, depressing stories. It's worse than Terry.

I know, right?

Wait....:dry:

[悪魔天]

I'll be on the look out for more.;)

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Good for me indeed because my ass is still alive.Because you didn't go on MY SPACE? Seriously I don't think that most people kill themselves because of whats said on the internet, it's clear that only a very mentally ill person would do such a thing.

So I want to ask all the jokers a question, do you think that the parents who teased the little girl are good people? Do you think that deserved to be applauded for being complete jacka**ses?

[unstoppable]

Because you didn't go on MY SPACE? Seriously I don't think that most people kill themselves because of whats said on the internet, it's clear that only a very mentally ill person would do such a thing.

So I want to ask all the jokers a question, do you think that the parents who teased the little girl are good people? Do you think that deserved to be applauded for being complete jacka**ses?
well no

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Too bad your mom wasn't. :csad: *snaps fingers* Oh no you didn't! Seriously dude, seriously? I'm so incrediblely upset by your comment...your opinion means the world to me! For you to say that about me...Oh gosh I'm on the verge.:whatever:

We are so going to be put on probation. I really hated to get personal on the internet but hey, I'm not going to apoligize.

[Addendum]

Applauded? No. Normal? Yes.

[BlackLantern]

Because you didn't go on MY SPACE? Seriously I don't think that most people kill themselves because of whats said on the internet, it's clear that only a very mentally ill person would do such a thing.

So I want to ask all the jokers a question, do you think that the parents who teased the little girl are good people? Do you think that deserved to be applauded for being complete jacka**ses?

of course not....they should he held accountable.....so the adults involved are stupid for doing what they did, and the girl is stupid for falling for it....its a maelstrom of stupid....

[The Incredible Hulk]

I'm not trying to be funny. It really makes no sense. She was a 5' 5" 175lb girl, she's too tall and heavy to hang herself in a closet.:huh:

heh. i went to high school with a really heavy kid that tried to hang himself. The rope snapped and he broke both his legs...

[Addendum]

of course not....they should he held accountable.....so the adults involved are stupid for doing what they did, and the girl is stupid for falling for it....its a maelstrom of stupid....

Held accountable for what? Being a jackass? It's not illegal

[BlackLantern]

Held accountable for what? Being a jackass? It's not illegal

good point....but in this day and age....watch the parents try to sue them for harrassment or wrongful death or something.....no being a total douchebag is not illegal....

[Mr Jide]

Because you didn't go on MY SPACE? Seriously I don't think that most people kill themselves because of whats said on the internet, it's clear that only a very mentally ill person would do such a thing.

So I want to ask all the jokers a question, do you think that the parents who teased the little girl are good people? Do you think that deserved to be applauded for being complete jacka**ses?

It depends on one's stance of morals and ethics. I personally feel the parents are ignorant f***s but the girl clearly knew what she was doing. She became obsessed and that obsession ultimately killed her. The girl imo is also equally at fault.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

of course not....they should he held accountable.....so the adults involved are stupid for doing what they did, and the girl is stupid for falling for it....its a maelstrom of stupid....From the posts of yours I've read you are like the second or third most heartless person on these boards. I'm done with you.

[BlackLantern]

From the posts of yours I've read you are like the second or third most heartless person on these boards. I'm done with you.

There are lots worse on this board then me. I am not even in the top 10 of the "heartless posters" category....but I appreciate the endorsement. I'd like to think I am a relatively decent person.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What do the heartless want me to say? I've already said that the girl bares blame it, she did kill herself after all, but that doesn't make the parents hero's for pushing her.

I'm sure some in my family will agree with the mojority of people on here who thinks the little girl had it coming and I will completely disagree with them too. I'm no Sensitive Sally, I think that that girl who won money from Mickey D's after a crank call shouldn't have gotten any money and was a fool, but I don't undersatnd how some people on here are defending the parents by saying...oh well, one less idiot! It's not like she's President Bush, a murderous idiot who's in control of the world.

[BlackLantern]

No one is lauding what the adults on the other end of this thing did by any means.....and considering the parents seemed very protective and seeing the emotional affect that this make believe guy was having on their daughter....maybe the parents should have cut her off....

[Norman Osborn]

What do the heartless want me to say? I've already said that the girl bares blame it, she did kill herself after all, but that doesn't make the parents hero's for pushing her.

I'm sure some in my family will agree with the mojority of people on here who thinks the little girl had it coming and I will completely disagree with them too. I'm no Sensitive Sally, I think that that girl who won money from Mickey D's after a crank call shouldn't have gotten any money and was a fool, but I don't undersatnd how some people on here are defending the parents by saying...oh well, one less idiot! It's not like she's President Bush, a murderous idiots who's in control of the world.

Dude some people like to say controversial **** for the sake of ....well I'm not sure why they do it...to stand out perhaps?...regardless...it's sad the child took her life....but you're taking it far too personally...ironic huh? :csad:

[Radiant Dawn]

Even Radiant DAWN hasn't killed herself.

Of COURSE I haven't killed myself. I see suicide as a coward's way out.

Now, on topic: I can't believe adults would bully a child to suicide. What is this world coming to?!

[Carcharodon]

*snaps fingers* Oh no you didn't! Seriously dude, seriously? I'm so incrediblely upset by your comment...your opinion means the world to me! For you to say that about me...Oh gosh I'm on the verge.:whatever:
Are you going to go kill yourself now to make a point? :csad:

[BlackLantern]

i recall someone posting about someone here on the Hype who had passed on....if anyone remembers who it was and what happened, I'd appreciate it....

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Dude some people like to say controversial **** for the sake of ....well I'm not sure why they do it...to stand out perhaps?...regardless...it's sad the child took her life....but you're taking it far too personally...ironic huh? :csad:No I'm not and no it's not. I'm finally calling out all of the silly like self important cynics on here and I see they don't like it. I can't wait to they post about some family member of theirs dying or commiting suicide, I'm going to have a field day.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It's funny...my g/f agrees with Wilhelm 100%, and made an argument that mirrored his almost word-for-word.

"People like that shouldn't live to procreate. Obviously she agreed. :up:"And would you say that she was "expressing her opinion", or just being a RL-Troll, "just trying to get a response" ?

It's amusing how, when I agree with someone, then they say I'm "expressing my opinion", but when they disagree with me, suddenly I'm "just trying to get a response", or I'm "trying to sound a certain way".

I am drowning in a sea of idiots, in fact after posting here initially, I was away for a time because I got a call from my roommate, I answered with the normal work greeting, and he replied with "This world is full of ****ing retarded ****suckers.", because, again, idiots are making our lives more difficult, and we had to strategize about how to deal with them.
The improved welfare of society after idiots off themselves is a strongly held belief for me, and I stand by it, with Wall_Crawler_2003's girlfriend.

[The Original Bamfer]

Something about the article. It just didn't seem right.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Are you going to go kill yourself now to make a point? :csad:No I'm going to go order you a new blow up errr girlfriend from the internet, your old ones is leaking.

[BlackLantern]

No I'm not and no it's not. I'm finally calling out all of the silly like self important cynics on here and I see they don't like it. I can't wait to they post about some family member of theirs dying or commiting suicide, I'm going to have a field day.

I am not self important....for the record

[Carcharodon]

And would you say that she was "expressing her opinion", or just being a RL-Troll, "just trying to get a response" ?

It's amusing how, when I agree with someone, then they say I'm "expressing my opinion", but when they disagree with me, suddenly I'm "just trying to get a response", or I'm "trying to sound a certain way".

I am drowning in a sea of idiots, in fact after posting here initially, I was away for a time because I got a call from my roommate, I answered with the normal work greeting, and he replied with "This world is full of ****ing retarded ****suckers.", because, again, idiots are making our lives more difficult, and we had to strategize about how to deal with them.
The improved welfare of society after idiots off themselves is a strongly held belief for me, and I stand by it, with Wall_Crawler_2003's girlfriend.No, she honestly believes it, so she's expressing her opinion.

[jaguarr]

While the girl may have had mental issues, I have to seriously question the mental health of any adult who would do what these people have done. There should be criminal charges for them but it looks like they will get away with it. What scum.

jag

[Carcharodon]

No I'm going to go order you a new blow up errr girlfriend from the internet, your old ones is leaking.In return, I'll set you up with Hooked-on-Phonics and some high school English courses. :up:

Deal?

[The Original Bamfer]

Often times, you just enter your name into a generator and it picks words that correspond with each letter. So the whole, "n for neglected" part may not be an actual reflection of how she felt.

[Carcharodon]

While the girl may have had mental issues, I have to seriously question the mental health of any adult who would do what these people have done. There should be criminal charges for them but it looks like they will get away with it. What scum.

jagAgreed.

[Addendum]

No I'm not and no it's not. I'm finally calling out all of the silly like self important cynics on here and I see they don't like it. I can't wait to they post about some family member of theirs dying or commiting suicide, I'm going to have a field day.

Hmm, lets see. Something major happens in my life and I log onto an internet message board to tell total strangers about it. That's just as pathetic as the kid this thread is about

[DeaDheaD]

Wouldnt this be something along the lines of assisted suicide?

[Addendum]

Wouldnt this be something along the lines of assisted suicide?

The neighbor was Dr. Kevorkian :woot:

[Carcharodon]

Hmm, lets see. Something major happens in my life and I log onto an internet message board to tell total strangers about it. That's just as pathetic as the kid this thread is aboutI did that once. Oh, the shame. :o :csad:

[Addendum]

I did that once. Oh, the shame. :o :csad:

But in a way, you probably liked the attention.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In return, I'll set you up with Hooked-on-Phonics and some high school English courses. :up:

Deal?Cool! I'll send you a gun too, so you can put Darla out of her misery.

[DeaDheaD]

The neighbor was Jack Kevorkian :woot:
Exactly...seriously though I've heard of weirdos telling other weirdos that they should just kill themselves, then the families suing and winning in civil courts.

[Carcharodon]

Cool! I'll send you a gun too, so you can put Darla out of her misery.Why would I want to put more leaks in her...oh, wait, you got me! You clever dog, you!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Anyway I'm going to do what Matt did and scoot.

I hope you people have a good time talking about how awsome adults who drive disturbed children to suicide are. :up:

[Addendum]

Exactly...seriously though I've heard of weirdos telling other weirdos that they should just kill themselves, then the families suing and winning in civil courts.

I don' think I've told someone to kill themselves. I have wished cancer on someone.

[Stikmann]

I think there are a ton of perfectly fine, well-adjusted, productive members of society out there right now that were over-dramatic, "emo" teens that were close to ending it all at one point or another. Once someone is into their 20’s and they’re still an overly dramatic idiot and they decide to check-out, I’m all for it. Much like people refusing medical treatment because of religious convictions…See ya!

To me, saying that people like that shouldn’t live to procreate is silly when speaking of a child.

[amazingfantasy15]

Reading the article I think the girl's parents did screw up in some way, hearing about a 13-year old on so meds and seeing a shrink since third grade, that's not right, something's wrong there. Also, I can't find too much pity for someone that killed themselves because of something said about them on the internet.

However, I wish the newspaper would have released the names of the people who set up the fake MySpace because they deserve all the hate mail in the world. They knew the kid had mental problems, knew her weaknesses, picked at them and exploited them. And why? Because their daughter and the other girl weren't friends anymore, guess what they were 13, that happens all the time with teenagers. These people deserve to be run out of town, how they still have the nerve to live in the same house still is amazing and shows just what type of scumbags they are. This should haunt them for the rest of their lives, every community they live in should be made known about their activiites, they should have to register as a sex offender because really what they did is just as bad as what a sex offender does.

[Addendum]

Anyway I'm going to do what Matt did and scoot.

I hope you people have a good time talking about how awsome adults who drive disturbed children to suicide are. :up:

But look at it this way. With one less fatty in the world, there's more food available for the starving kids

[DeaDheaD]

I don' think I've told someone to kill themselves. I have wished cancer on someone.
Same thing for me but I wished hiv on a guy. He stopped talking to me :(

[BlackLantern]

i dont divulge anything personal on the Hype....

[Carcharodon]

But in a way, you probably liked the attention.I deserve more. :up:

[Addendum]

Same thing for me but I wished hiv on a guy. He stopped talking to me :(

Well, I view it as wishes only have powers in make-believe tales. So if someone gets cancer right after I wished they got it, I'd be thinking "why the hell didn't I wish for 10 million dollars?!"

[The Lizard]

Girl's parents are mainly to blame for this. Their quotes in the news story make it seem like they were carefully monitoring her online activity, but I'll bet they weren't. At least not to the extent the parents of an emotionally troubled child should have.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I think that Whillem should be added to the no procration list.
Why do you have to make this about me. Talk about the story. That's what I was doing. Also, you'll be pleased to hear that I'm voluntarily on the No-Procreation list. Being chained for 18 years to a puking, mewling crap-factory would be the last thing I'd want to do.

So I want to ask all the jokers a question, do you think that the parents who teased the little girl are good people? Do you think that deserved to be applauded for being complete jacka**ses?I have not seen one single person praise the tormentors. Where on EARTH did you and Matt come by this Black-or-White, Either/Or world view, where, if you have no sympathy for the "victim", then you must automatically side with the tormentors.
We're talking about 2 separate groups of disgusting people,

< the Girl that committed suicide and her negligent Mother >
AND
< the sadists who were ****ing with a fragile, stupid girl >

Both are gross. Can you wrap your head around that?
But the most NOTABLE stupidity, is ending one's ENTIRE life over something such as this.
People who are cruel to the weak may GO ON, with LIFE, and see the error of their ways, and change entirely, in the future.
But someone who throws it ALL away, forEVER, over NOTHING?...is the greater Moron, that's why she merits more condemnation.



What do the heartless want me to say? I've already said that the girl bares blame it, she did kill herself after all,I saw that post and it was a good post, uncharacteristically fair and accurate.



but that doesn't make the parents hero's for pushing her.Did ANYone call them heroes?
Can you show me the post where someone was sending out mad props and high fives to the tormentors? :huh:
I haven't seen it.



No I'm not and no it's not. I'm finally calling out all of the silly like self important cynics on here and I see they don't like it. I can't wait to they post about some family member of theirs dying or commiting suicide, I'm going to have a field day.

Who are the "self important cynics" ? and what do they have to do with this news story about the stupid girl who killed herself for no good reason?

I also think it would be moronic to trivialize one's personal life by reducing a tragedy like the death of a loved one to a topic for convos on superherohype.com, unless they could handle the ribbing and crude comments from countless sociopaths the world over that would inevitably result.

[Mr Jide]

No I'm not and no it's not. I'm finally calling out all of the silly like self important cynics on here and I see they don't like it. I can't wait to they post about some family member of theirs dying or commiting suicide, I'm going to have a field day.

Then wouldn't you be as bad as the people you're condemning?

[Arkady Rossovich]

I can imagine that,some people are so sad..they would do these kinds of things.

[DeaDheaD]

Well, I view it as wishes only have powers in make-believe tales. So if someone gets cancer right after I wished they got it, I'd be thinking "why the hell didn't I wish for 10 million dollars?!"
I would be like Jay from Dogma after Chris Rock falls out the sky.

[twylight]

Girl's parents are mainly to blame for this. Their quotes in the news story make it seem like they were carefully monitoring her online activity, but I'll bet they weren't. At least not to the extent the parents of an emotionally troubled child should have.

I agree, why would they allow their daughter whom they knew was emotionally trouble to become attached to someone they'd never even met?

"Can I accept him because he's hot.." Please..

[Ghostvirus]

You guys must've bypassed the part of this girl's mental illness. Wilhelm, you're seriously the world's biggest jackass. Not to mention, I'd like to point out the irony of you, the guy who puts so much stock into his popularity on an internet message board (even though you'll deny you do, its quite obvious) saying that.

This is the story of an adult harrassing a mentally ill child to the point of suicide. How can any of you make light of that?

*awaits 12 page response*

Were these people aware of her mental illness?

[amazingfantasy15]

Were these people aware of her mental illness?

Yes, their daughters used to be friends, so I'm sure they knew about this, they used the MySpace account to "get back" at the girl because she didn't want to be friends with their daughter anymore.

[Ghostvirus]

Yeah I just read the article. These are some sick f***! it is one thing to insult a person you dont even know, but these people knowingly exploited all her insecurities, & weaknesss WTF!!!

If that was me. I don't really know if I could restrain myself from going to there place, & burining that b**ch down, with the whole family in it.

[悪魔天]

http://www.hibernation9.com/blog/2007/11/megan_killed_herself/

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Ghost Virus, if you liked Chris Farley, honor him by spelling his name correctly.

[jaguarr]

http://www.hibernation9.com/blog/2007/11/megan_killed_herself/

I like how the author of this blog article mocks the original article for having a middle-school creative writing assignment feel with abysmal writing and then goes on to write in that very same abysmal style that they seem to abhor so much. :dry:

jag

[悪魔天]

I like how the author of this blog article mocks the original article for having a middle-school creative writing assignment feel with abysmal writing and then goes on to write in that very same abysmal style that they seem to abhor so much. :dry:

jag

:up::D:up:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Well, his is a Blawg, and the other guy is a professional writer for the St. Charles Journal, so...



I'm surprised no one has seen through to the true lesson of this tragedy.
We need to ban belts.

[jaguarr]

Well, his is a Blawg, and the other guy is a professional writer for the St. Charles Journal, so...

Yeahnotreallycaring. If you're going to flog people for being pedestrian, it sort of helps to not be pedestrian yourself.



I'm surprised no one has seen through to the true lesson of this tragedy.
We need to ban belts.

Can we start with the Bible Belt? :)

jag

[BRUTAL]

Can we start with the Bible Belt? :)


Seconded

[悪魔天]

Thirded?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

We can't ban them, but I wish the Rapture would hurry up and come so they'd all disappear. :(

[BRUTAL]

Didn't they get hit with a storm of biblical proportions not too long ago?

[YsoSerious]

The girl should have gone with facebook.

[Showtime]

Ghost Virus, if you liked Chris Farley, honor him by spelling his name correctly.

It seems that him and others are refering to an extra in Tommy Boy with a similar name...

http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/wcw/jasonr.html

:dry:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

It seems that him and others are refering to an extra in Tommy Boy with a similar name...

http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/wcw/jasonr.html

:dry:

I love Bill Murry. He's a funny shoe shine guy at Nordstroms.

[Sloth7d]

I like how the author of this blog article mocks the original article for having a middle-school creative writing assignment feel with abysmal writing and then goes on to write in that very same abysmal style that they seem to abhor so much. :dry:

jag

I thought I was the only one who noticed that.

[AhabTheArab]

some people are overly sensitive.

[DV8]

I like how the author of this blog article mocks the original article for having a middle-school creative writing assignment feel with abysmal writing and then goes on to write in that very same abysmal style that they seem to abhor so much. :dry:

jag

haha, right! Part 3: A Dismal Future

[bullets]

these type of stories go around as chainletters on myspace bulletins , its probably one of those.

[kainedamo]

If this sort of thing is enough to make you kill yourself then please, please do so.
The fewer pathetic morons on Earth the happier I am.
Even Radiant DAWN hasn't killed herself. Can you imagine what this girl was like?
:o

C'mon, shes 14 years old.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

C'mon, shes 14 years old.We've all been 14 before.
I was mercilessly teased when I was the fat kid in school.
Her age is irrelevant.

[Mr. Socko]

You guys must've bypassed the part of this girl's mental illness. Wilhelm, you're seriously the world's biggest jackass. Not to mention, I'd like to point out the irony of you, the guy who puts so much stock into his popularity on an internet message board (even though you'll deny you do, its quite obvious) saying that.

This is the story of an adult harrassing a mentally ill child to the point of suicide. How can any of you make light of that?

*awaits 12 page response*


Over half-way there, Matt.

[sinewave]

****ty deal. it's kind of sick that people are basically reveling in her death here.

[Superhobo]

What. In. The. ****.


Who's 'reveling' in her death? I've read this whole thread over, and you guy's keep claiming that, but there's no evidence. In fact, most of the people who do say that are exceedingly illiterate.

[DarbyD53]

these type of stories go around as chainletters on myspace bulletins , its probably one of those.

I agree. It's horrible that it happened but I kept waiting for the "send this to 10 people in the next 45 seconds or this will happen to the one you love" It was wrote like most of those stupid forward messages

[The Original Bamfer]

Suicide is one of the most selfish things anyone can do. Her family deserves most of the sympathy, in my opinion. It's going to suck, being parents, always thinking about how they could have prevented this or what they did wrong.

[Hunter Rider]

Despicable, grown adults doing this to a teenage girl they knew had depression issues, they deserve some jail time.

[bullets]

its kind of odd this chubby girl hangs herself in the closet , not to be morbid or disrespectful but i wonder how she pulled it off , she didnt fall down the first time or anything like that.

[sinewave]

What. In. The. ****.


Who's 'reveling' in her death? I've read this whole thread over, and you guy's keep claiming that, but there's no evidence. In fact, most of the people who do say that are exceedingly illiterate.

that's why i said "basically reveling", genius.

if you want specific examples, look at mr. jide and wilhelm's first posts on page one.

[Noir]

myspace Whore :o

[Damien Rage]

Over half-way there, Matt.

I wanna see it get to 12 pages.

to be on topic...

um...poor girl. that sucks. kids are mean...so are some adults.

but really...it's myspace.

everyone in my friends list is someone I actually know irl (except for 2 people).

[DV8]

^heh . . . Noir don't be likin the 'whorin' . . . .

[Noir]

nope, I'm a proud member of NAWAOAWSCN.

[DV8]

^well, I'm not only a member, I'm the founder of that long acronym you've just listed . . .

[Addendum]

its kind of odd this chubby girl hangs herself in the closet , not to be morbid or disrespectful but i wonder how she pulled it off , she didnt fall down the first time or anything like that.

After the third belt snapped, she went to the garage to get an industrial strength bungee cord

[Majik1387]

its kind of odd this chubby girl hangs herself in the closet , not to be morbid or disrespectful but i wonder how she pulled it off , she didnt fall down the first time or anything like that.
Exactly, her height, weight, and place of death makes no sense which is why I don't believe the bull**** story.

[Noir]

^well, I'm not only a member, I'm the founder of that long acronym you've just listed . . .So your the founder of The NATIONAL ANTI-WHORING ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WHO SUPPORT CHRIS NOLAN?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Despicable, grown adults doing this to a teenage girl they knew had depression issues, they deserve some jail time.That's ridiculous. If JAL becomes so mentally deranged that he hangs himself after one of his hilarious blows up when he gets teased here, do all the posters that teased him deserve jail time for "driving him to suicide"?

Should Tangled Web go to jail if JAL hung himself after thinking he was a flirtatious female?

When you CHOOSE to take your own life, there is one person responsible, YOU.
You can't be held responsible for the actions of mentally unstable people, even if you're an ass****.
There are people that are so unhinged and disturbed that they'd hang themselves if you said no when they asked you out on a date, or if you laughed when they slipped on some ice.
It's because THEY are ****ed up, not because of you.

There are people who have suffered much worse at the hands of much more sadistic jerks and haven't killed themselves over it.
The girl did not value her life at all, why should we? :huh:

[DV8]

So your the founder of The NATIONAL ANTI-WHORING ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA WHO SUPPORT CHRIS NOLAN?

Lol . . . actually, I'm the founder of Noir Against Whoring Assmonkeys of America Who Suck Co*ks & Nipples :ninja:

[knowsbleed]

That's ridiculous. If JAL becomes so mentally deranged that he hangs himself after one of his hilarious blows up when he gets teased here, do all the posters that teased him deserve jail time for "driving him to suicide"?

Should Tangled Web go to jail if JAL hung himself after thinking he was a flirtatious female?

When you CHOOSE to take your own life, there is one person responsible, YOU.
You can't be held responsible for the actions of mentally unstable people, even if you're an ass****.
There are people that are so unhinged and disturbed that they'd hang themselves if you said no when they asked you out on a date, or if you laughed when they slipped on some ice.
It's because THEY are ****ed up, not because of you.

There are people who have suffered much worse at the hands of much more sadistic jerks and haven't killed themselves over it.
The girl did not value her life at all, why should we? :huh:

C'mon Wil...you're telling me there has NEVER been a time in your life that you're judgment has faltered...and someone was there to help you out? That every single decision you've made was the right one...and that you've never taken advice from others? That you've never been an impressionable youth? Never been naive? I'm not saying that this girl's decision to kill herself was something a smart person would have done...but maybe she was just a very late bloomer when it came to social rejection.

Its hard to place the blame squarely on the adults who mocked her. I'm sure they weren't trying to drive the girl to suicide. Noone is completely innocent.


The girl was to blame for being so quick to trust a stranger on the internet
The mother was stupid to let her accept a "friend" who she had never met or even knew
The adults trying to get information about their own daughter are to blame because what they did was pretty damn stupid...who the hell would go through all that effort?
And technology is to blame...for ushering a generation of kids who DO NOT KNOW how to truly interact socially.
They goto school and text each other in class. They go home and speak to each other through IMs. They go out with each other and call other friends through cell phones. There is no such thing as social interaction without technology...and that makes a generation of extra-sensitive people who get easily hurt when real life comes up and smacks them in the face.

[DV8]

before you know it, a teen will hang themself for being PHAT on the internet :(

[Zero_Vault]

She was fat.

That right there gives you the reason why you should die.

I agree with Wilhelm; fat people do not deserve to live.

[Noir]

How does a fat ***** hang herself in a closet without breaking the metal pole? I think the parents killed her trying to frame this guy, who it turns out, are a bunch of parents! Haha that story is better than ****ing "Clue."

[Wilhelm-Scream]

C'mon Wil...you're telling me there has NEVER been a time in your life that you're judgment has faltered...and someone was there to help you out? That every single decision you've made was the right one...and that you've never taken advice from others? That you've never been an impressionable youth? Never been naive? I'm not saying that this girl's decision to kill herself was something a smart person would have done...but maybe she was just a very late bloomer when it came to social rejection.Not at all. I'm saying that if, after the teasing I got in school for being fat, I went home and hung myself, my death would be entirely my fault, since I was the one who chose to do it in secret...and that the people who teased me would be "cruel", or "mean jerks", but would not in ANY way deserve "JAIL TIME".

[AhabTheArab]

whats that creepy site where all the people who died have their myspace pages on there? be weird to see the girl you all are arguing over....

[Addendum]

internetgraveyard.com

[Matt]

That's ridiculous. If JAL becomes so mentally deranged that he hangs himself after one of his hilarious blows up when he gets teased here, do all the posters that teased him deserve jail time for "driving him to suicide"?

Should Tangled Web go to jail if JAL hung himself after thinking he was a flirtatious female?

When you CHOOSE to take your own life, there is one person responsible, YOU.
You can't be held responsible for the actions of mentally unstable people, even if you're an ass****.
There are people that are so unhinged and disturbed that they'd hang themselves if you said no when they asked you out on a date, or if you laughed when they slipped on some ice.
It's because THEY are ****ed up, not because of you.

There are people who have suffered much worse at the hands of much more sadistic jerks and haven't killed themselves over it.
The girl did not value her life at all, why should we? :huh:

Not at all. I'm saying that if, after the teasing I got in school for being fat, I went home and hung myself, my death would be entirely my fault, since I was the one who chose to do it in secret...and that the people who teased me would be "cruel", or "mean jerks", but would not in ANY way deserve "JAIL TIME".



The inherrent difference is, we do not know each other. We are not fully aware that JAL (as your example) is a mentally ill 13 year old girl. The neighbors who did this were aware of that.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The inherrant difference is, we do not know each other. We are not fully aware that JAL (as your example) is a mentally ill 13 year old girl. The neighbors who did this were aware of that.I am FULLY aware that JAL is mentally ill.
F.U.L.L.Y.

And I also think you are WAY overplaying this "mental illness".
When I was a little fat kid in school, with a crush on all the cute girls, and being teased, and going home crying, I was 100% depressed.

Was I "mentally ill"? :whatever:
And then I cured my mental illness by getting off my fat ass and doing some jogging and sit ups? :whatever:

Next, I was hoping you had taken that advice and put me on ignore because I'm not going to just ignore all of the false accusations you make about me and all of the things you say that I strongly disagree with, so this post of yours was sort of a let down. :(

[Matt]

Of course I'm not going to put you on my ignore list. How else can I call out all the bull**** you say?

As for mentally ill. Lets see, the girl had A.D.D. (a mental illness). She was CLINICALLY depressed (not simply sad), and had been seeing a psychiatrist since 3rd grade due to suicidal thoughts. If that is not sick, I do not know what is.

[悪魔天]

JAL as in JessicaAlbasLover?

[Master Chief]

Why would ADD attribute to her suicide? :huh:

[Superhobo]

Of course I'm not going to put you on my ignore list. How else can I call out all the bull**** you say?

As for mentally ill. Lets see, the girl had A.D.D. (a mental illness). She was CLINICALLY depressed (not simply sad), and had been seeing a psychiatrist since 3rd grade due to suicidal thoughts. If that is not sick, I do not know what is.

Read: Emo with a short attention span.



Know the reason this didn't happen sooner?

"Hey, wanna go ride bikes?

[Matt]

Why would ADD attribute to her suicide? :huh:

ADD doesn't mean you simply cannot pay attention.

It can affect one's ability to control their mood, it can make one more impulsive (which could bypass the rationality behind commiting suicide), and cause chronic problems with self-esteem and a constant sense of underachievement or worthless-ness. Combine that with clinical depression and you can see how it can be attributed.

[Matt]

Read: Emo with a short attention span.



Know the reason this didn't happen sooner?

"Hey, wanna go ride bikes?

Dude, thats just in bad taste.

[Superhobo]

Dude, thats just in bad taste.

Yeah, I don't care. Do we even know if this story is real or not? 'Cause, from all sides, it seems pretty shoddy.

[Master Chief]

ADD doesn't mean you simply cannot pay attention.

It can affect one's ability to control their mood, it can make one more impulsive (which could bypass the rationality behind commiting suicide), and cause chronic problems with self-esteem and a constant sense of underachievement or worthless-ness. Combine that with clinical depression and you can see how it can be attributed.

S**t, I just got schooled. Literally. :o

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Of course I'm not going to put you on my ignore list. How else can I call out all the bull**** you say? Fine, Matt.
But I didn't spew any bloney. I said that the world is a better place when idiots kill themselves, if only by an almost imperceptibly small fraction of a factor of improvement, and that's how I feel.
You don't feel that way, so that's great if you want to express that disagreement.
When you start saying that I am just trying to get a reaction, or that I'm only saying what I'm saying in...lol...an attempt to "sound smarter than everyone else", ( :huh: ), then you are spewing bloney.

As for mentally ill. Lets see, the girl had A.D.D. (a mental illness). She was CLINICALLY depressed (not simply sad), and had been seeing a psychiatrist since 3rd grade due to suicidal thoughts. If that is not sick, I do not know what is.Well I was even WORSE off because my family couldn't afford to send me to a psychiatrist.

I've never killed myself because as despondent as I've ever been, I still value my life. Seriously, if she didn't value her own life, to the point that she threw it all away, irrevocably, over THIS?!?, why on EARTH should I value it?
I don't get it.

[Matt]

Fine, Matt.
But I didn't spew any bloney. I said that the world is a better place when idiots kill themselves, if only by an almost imperceptibly small fraction of a factor of improvement, and that's how I feel.
You don't feel that way, so that's great if you want to express that disagreement.
When you start saying that I am just trying to get a reaction, or that I'm only saying what I'm saying in...lol...an attempt to "sound smarter than everyone else", ( :huh: ), then you are spewing bloney.

Not really, a good majority of the site can see through your little charade and I am not the first one to call you on it. In fact, I'd argue that you are still the unpopular little fat boy that you described yourself as in this thread, trying to come off as the "cool kid" on the internet message board.


Well I was even WORSE off because my family couldn't afford to send me to a psychiatrist.

I've never killed myself because as despondent as I've ever been, I still value my life. Seriously, if she didn't value her own life, to the point that she threw it all away, irrevocably, over THIS?!?, why on EARTH should I value it?
I don't get it.

Were you ever diagnosed with anything? She was. You assume that she did not value her life without even knowing the girl. For all you know, the mental illness simply bypassed the rationality. People with mental illness are detatched from reality and often cannot appreciate the consequences of their actions. Would you say a mentally retarded person is responsible for killing themselves? Well, of course you would...because it would get you attention, but common sense dictates other wise.

[Noir]

JAL as in JessicaAlbasLover? No as in "Jesus and Laverne." :whatever:

[悪魔天]

Thank you NOIR;)

[Master Chief]

DAYUM, Jesus banged a black chick?!

[Superhobo]

Not really, a good majority of the site can see through your little charade and I am not the first one to call you on it. In fact, I'd argue that you are still the unpopular little fat boy that you described yourself as in this thread, trying to come off as the "cool kid" on the internet message board.

Ha. Um. Wow. You sound so lame right here, like some sort of rebellious teenage girl telling her mother that "no one really likes your casserole!"

Ghey. Stick to a real argument. That goes for both of you.


Were you ever diagnosed with anything? She was. You assume that she did not value her life without even knowing the girl. For all you know, the mental illness simply bypassed the rationality. People with mental illness are detatched from reality and often cannot appreciate the consequences of their actions. Would you say a mentally retarded person is responsible for killing themselves? Well, of course you would...because it would get you attention, but common sense dictates other wise.

This makes no sense. The girl was not 'mentally retarded.' She had A.D.D., like half the girls in America right now. She was also clinically depressive, just like (shocks!) an emo. You're putting her 'condition' up on this pedestal like she was some severely damaged little girl, when she most likely wasn't.

A.D.D. does NOT = retarded!

*eddy* also, my earlier analogy still stands.

[Noir]

internetgraveyard.comnot working.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Not really, a good majority of the site can see through your little charade and I am not the first one to call you on it. In fact, I'd argue that you are still the unpopular little fat boy that you described yourself as in this thread, trying to come off as the "cool kid" on the internet message board.LOL, MATT, come closer and listen. I'm typing, and chatting with stangers from around the world, about movies and news stories, and life.
There is no "charade" in effect here. lol
And of course people are shaped by past events and they retain aspects of their past selves, :huh:.
But you should avoid armchair hobby-level psychoanalysis if you have almost no knowledge of your subject, because I was always really popular, and even more so after I lost weight. You could just as easily say that my "inner child" is still that mega-popular, loveable iconoclast who gets all the girls. :huh:

Finding more entertainment in engaging other real people on the internet at work than one finds in playing Tetris, or reading news stories, or doing solitary crosswords, etc. does not equal "trying to be cool".
I, lol, will never understand where you get that.

MC makes a thread about socks. It makes me chuckle. I offer my take on socks.
That's what goes on, until weirdly obsessive jerks like you spring up and try to ruin my fun.
Luckily, demolishing your absurdities is just as entertaining for me, only in a different way. :huh::up:



Were you ever diagnosed with anything? She was.

I guess you missed the part where I said we couldn't afford to go see a professional.
I am *gasp* retroactively self-diagnosed. :eek:
I know that's presumptuous of me, but, I'm gonna live dangerously. :ninja:



EDIT: What I don't understand about this "charade" concept you've affixed to me, is...are you saying, that I'm really broken up about this poor girl's suicide, my heart aches for her and her parents, and I honestly think her tormentors should be jailed, but I'm...erecting this false thing where,....it LOOKS like I really don't care,....in order to.....be more "popular" ?!? :huh: X 1,000

You think I'm deceiving people into liking me by saying I'm glad a teenage girl killed herself?

That is, like, out into the wildest stratosphere of insane. lol.

[Masamune]

score

Wilhelm-Scream:6

Matt:4

[Halcohol]

Wil, IMO (;)) what happened was a tragedy, not only because of the generic "life ended before it had truly begun" angle, but also because it was completely preventable. While teenagers torment each other to the point of somebody committing suicide all the time, when it is adults doing the tormenting the situation takes a sickening turn. That said, it is my belief that committing suicide is taking the cowardly way out. I for one don't understand how the prospect of simply living your life becomes more terrifying than the uncertainty of what happens after death.

However this doesn't mean that they were any less of a person, and it distresses me to hear you describe her as an idiot whose absence makes the world better. Even the context of your anti-people mindset. You've made it quite clear that you believe that many humans on the planet are nothing but waste and how you refuses to add to the mess or feel sympathy for them. That's how it is, and that's fine.

But what bothers me is that you refuse to hypothesize a situation in which your childhood mental issues were antagonized to the point where recovery was impossible. If you had depression problems similar to hers, as you say, then is it really so much of a stretch for you to envision your life turning out differently? Is it that you feel she was weak-minded to have been so deeply affected by the actions of others?

I just don't understand the objective, pitiless take on it, especially when it might have been you.

[bullets]

masamune : 0

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wil, IMO (;)) what happened was a tragedy, not only because of the generic "life ended before it had truly begun" angle,Yeah, let's remember, her life didn't end. SHE ended her life. It wasn't something that happened to her, it was something she did...to herself and to her loved ones.
but also because it was completely preventable.aaand, there's where we get into how stupid the parents were, yes...

While teenagers torment each other to the point of somebody committing suicide all the time, when it is adults doing the tormenting the situation takes a sickening turn.Truly that is undeniable. Yes.

That said, it is my belief that committing suicide is taking the cowardly way out. I for one don't understand how the prospect of simply living your life becomes more terrifying than the uncertainty of what happens after death. I think you don't understand it because you are thoughtful. Any thoughtful person would feel extreme pain, and eventually entertain the idea that, wow, lots of people suffer, things even worse than this, by FaaaAAAAaR, and don't kill themselves, so, maybe I'll grow up and look back on this and laugh, OR, maybe I'd better talk to someone who loves me before I take this irreversible step.

However this doesn't mean that they were any less of a person, and it distresses me to hear you describe her as an idiot whose absence makes the world better. Even the context of your anti-people mindset. You've made it quite clear that you believe that many humans on the planet are nothing but waste and how you refuses to add to the mess or feel sympathy for them. That's how it is, and that's fine. Yes, some people are all "UP WITH PEOPLE!" I am not, yes. There's a lot to love, and it's routinely crapped on by the overwhelming stupidity and evil of people.

But what bothers me is that you refuse to hypothesize a situation in which your childhood mental issues were antagonized to the point where recovery was impossible. If you had depression problems similar to hers, as you say, then is it really so much of a stretch for you to envision your life turning out differently? Is it that you feel she was weak-minded to have been so deeply affected by the actions of others?Yeah, like, when you busted ass to get your very unfun book report done by Monday, and someone else went out and had a blast all weekend while you stayed in and worked, I don't have any sympathy for them on Monday morning.
I don't understand this culture where nothing is ever anyone's responsibility, and everyone is a victim, and every time someone does something stupid, we can't call it stupidity, we have to call it a "tragedy".
I am, yes, inordinately "fed up" with stupid people, that I have to endure in my own personal life, so I'm probably a harsher judge of stupid people than some, yes.

I just don't understand the objective, pitiless take on it, especially when it might have been you.As I said, just expressing my opinion on the internet. If Matt hadn't used my post as another opportunity to vent his weirdness at me, I probably wouldn't've even returned to the thread. LOL, it's weird.



Th^t's how people can disagree and talk about the topic without getting all personal and childish, for future reference, Matt. :up:

[hammy]

I didn't read the story but it's clear from the comments that what happened was terrible. Equally terrible is any celebration of a fragile person's death. At 13-14 years old, even older, children's brains are still not fully developed. They make some odd choices even under the best of circumstances. A child of that age beset by mental illness, overly medicated, depressed, etc. is hardly a prescription for rational thinking and objective problem solving. :whatever:

What is equally terrible is people so devoid of human compassion that they celebrate another persons demise, especially a troubled child. Every person struggles in their life. Everyone knows difficulty. Is it really that difficult to empathize? Particularly if your troubles were in any way similar.

Everyone handles stress and other difficulties differently. What nearly-but-doesn't-quite-push you over the edge may be the very thing that drives someone else to suicide, and visa versa. But to say that person is an idiot who marred the face of the planet is inhuman. Some people would consider a person who freaks out over sticky hands or because the little camel isn't facing the right way to be an idiot who is marring the face of the planet. :dry: I found those comments enlightening and endearing, actually. And I'm sorry that you aren't a better person who can see the frailties in your fellow humans and feel something more than disgust or distain for them.

[Masamune]

masamune : 0
FAIL:yay:

[Clentes]

The situation is saddening. What she did was completely idiotic, but it's saddening because redemption is usually within the realm of possibility. Most of the people in this story seem to be idiots, but grief isn't a good thing, unless it helps you act wisely in the future.

Now, looking at the cause of the situation causes me to shake my head in disgust. To take one's own life because of myspace!? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. I'm 14, and believe me, drama of any kind at this age isn't worth killing yourself over. The way people overreact at my age baffles me completely.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I didn't read the story but it's clear from the comments that what happened was terrible. Equally terrible is any celebration of a fragile person's death.There's a difference between going "YAY! She killed herself, LoLz!", and saying that the world is a better place afterwards.
I am not necessarily giddy with delight that a murderer gets executed, but the world is an imperceptibly better place when they are.

At 13-14 years old, even older, children's brains are still not fully developed. They make some odd choices even under the best of circumstances. A child of that age beset by mental illness, overly medicated, depressed, etc. is hardly a prescription for rational thinking and objective problem solving. :whatever:So, what you're saying is, if you are a depressed teen who struggles in school, you are incapable of being an "idiot".
We can't make any judgments about someone if they aren't in their 20's yet, or if they have a less than optimal home environment or brain chemistry?

That totally discounts anything GOOD we can say about people. If a there's a drug addicted teen who is suicidal and fat and lonely, and he does the hard work of weening himself off of his addiction, and commits to maintaining his sobriety, and he works out, and gets help, and is brave enough to confide in his loved ones, and he sticks his neck out, even though it's terrifying for him at first, to try to make friends, real friends, in real life, to rid himself of his loneliness........then we can't say, "GOOD JOB! You're an inspiration! You are a really smart guy and it's so admirable how you pulled yourself together!"

Because he was just an undeveloped teen, and not responsible for any of his choices or actions.
:dry:
I don't live in that world. *shrug*

What is equally terrible is people so devoid of human compassion that they celebrate another persons demise, especially a troubled child.No, it is not remotely equal in terribleness. No lives are lost.
It's not equal at all, to have a feeling or opinion about the actions of a stranger. Not at all.

Every person struggles in their life. Everyone knows difficulty. Is it really that difficult to empathize? Particularly if your troubles were in any way similar.That's WHAT makes it impossible for me to empathize. :huh:

Everyone handles stress and other difficulties differently. What nearly-but-doesn't-quite-push you over the edge may be the very thing that drives someone else to suicide, and visa versa. But to say that person is an idiot who marred the face of the planet is inhuman.The same can be said of people who "snap"and go on a shooting spree. I'd still call them self absorbed idiots and jerks. Luckily this girl only hurt herself and her parents, who will be haunted for the rest of their lives, over NOTHING.
And, I assure you, I'm quite human.



Some people would consider a person who freaks out over sticky hands or because the little camel isn't facing the right way to be an idiot who is marring the face of the planet. :dry: I think it would be more applicable if I spilled some Hawaiian Punch on my hands, and then went and killed myself. Then, yes, the world would be a better place if I was that L00py and stupid, and dangerous.
And, yes, there are probably people who would still think my flaws and foibles are so unthinkable that I am an inferior human and the world would be a better place without me.
As long as they don't take it upon themselves to remove me, they're more than welcome to hold that opinion.
I promise I won't hang myself over it.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The situation is saddening. What she did was completely idiotic, but it's saddening because redemption is usually within the realm of possibility. Most of the people in this story seem to be idiots, but grief isn't a good thing, unless it helps you act wisely in the future.

Now, looking at the cause of the situation causes me to shake my head in disgust. To take one's own life because of myspace!? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. I'm 14, and believe me, drama of any kind at this age isn't worth killing yourself over. The way people overreact at my age baffles me completely.See, exactly.

In my opinion, the very thing that allows me to say that the world is a better place without that girl in it, is the VERY thing that allows me to say that the world is a BETTER place with someone like YOU in it.
I don't know you at all, so that's not a blanket statement, but with regards to the fact that you, who knows why exactly, know that it's preposterously "dumb" to take one's life over myspace, AND that you're thoughtful enough to see that, even though you're IN the midst of 14 year oldness, killing yourself over teen drama isn't worth it.

This kind of thoughtfulness and healthy perspective extrapolates out into other aspects of life, and our actions all ripple out into society, effecting others.

[strikezone89]

hey jide.
u may have to change ur avatar thanks to the new announcement

[悪魔天]

Wilhelm,and Matt...I am enjoying your debate:)

[Mr Sparkle]

LOL
You are hilarious. I was TALKING ABOUT HOW THE WORLD IS BETTER OFF WITH ONE LESS IDIOT IN IT.
Where do you get A.N.Y. avoidance behavior?!?!?


though, I sometimes think, that really she might have been better off if she had gotten help.
I never contemplated suicide, not as a teenager and I was a teenager when suicide was "cool" ( no seriously) but I kinda think that it had a lot to do with the fact that I was aware of this being my one shot at stuff.
she was realllllllly screwed up if she killed herself because of this, but I don't know, I've met emotionally unbalanced people before, and once this girl I knew was pretty much bat-**** insane.
and she got on meds and therapy, and months later ( I can imagine grueling months for her) she was much better, she's married now and she is, I dare say a great person.
she was really close to killing herself, and if not for the Medical help she got, she would probably be dead.
I'm not comfortable with calling her an idiot, she was sick, very sick and only through help did she get any better.

why the other girl's parents did what they did? I'll never know, sounds stupid.

[hammy]

So, what you're saying is, if you are a depressed teen who struggles in school, you are incapable of being an "idiot".
No, that's not what I said at all and I think you're intelligent enough to know that. Of course teen agers do idiotic things at times. Adults do plenty of stupid things and their brains are supposedly developed! So teens with brains that are not fully developed are likely to do some pretty damn stupid things. Just as an unattended two year old might walk right out in to traffic, a troubled and/or ill teenager might also endanger themselves. Nobody would reasonably say, "What an idiot that two year old was! She deserved to die! She thought so little of her life she walked into traffic and killed herself!!" Why? Because everyone knows a two year old isn't yet capable of such logic and reasoning. And society understandably expects more from a teenager. But it's unreasonable to expect a child, AND one with the issues she apparently had, to have the ability to just figure it all out and *fix* everything. At that age children are still quite egocentric. To say she should have thought beyond herself and realized there are people in worse predicaments or that she was simply involved in a temporary "teen drama," is just unrealistic for her capabilities. Maybe with more time she would have been able to see that, but it's too late now.

You said you finally got off your fat ass and did something to lose weight. Good for you. But were you 13? I suspect you were older and perhaps a bit "wiser." And there is no way of knowing how your "issues" compared to hers. On top of that, she was an adolescent girl and who knows what havoc her budding hormones were wreaking on her, not to mention the medication. You simply can't say, "I pulled myself up by the bootstraps, she could have too."

That totally discounts anything GOOD we can say about people. If a there's a drug addicted teen who is suicidal and fat and lonely, and he does the hard work of weening himself off of his addiction, and commits to maintaining his sobriety, and he works out, and gets help, and is brave enough to confide in his loved ones, and he sticks his neck out, even though it's terrifying for him at first, to try to make friends, real friends, in real life, to rid himself of his loneliness........then we can't say, "GOOD JOB! You're an inspiration! You are a really smart guy and it's so admirable how you pulled yourself together!"

Because he was just an undeveloped teen, and not responsible for any of his choices or actions.

I don't live in that world. *shrug*

No, I didn't suggest that. Obviously that would be very commendable. But again, we can't compare his particular issues to hers. Not only may their issues be vastly different, they AS PEOPLE may be vastly different. He may be an inherently stronger person, better able to figure out and do what is necessary. Just because she may not have developed that skill set doesn't mean she's worseless or her life has no value.

No, it is not remotely equal in terribleness. No lives are lost.
It's not equal at all, to have a feeling or opinion about the actions of a stranger. Not at all.

I disagree. I believe it is equally terrible. Death isn't the worst thing that can happen to a person. Being a soul-less person is about as bad as it gets, imo.


I think it would be more applicable if I spilled some Hawaiian Punch on my hands, and then went and killed myself. Then, yes, the world would be a better place if I was that L00py and stupid, and dangerous.
And, yes, there are probably people who would still think my flaws and foibles are so unthinkable that I am an inferior human and the world would be a better place without me.
As long as they don't take it upon themselves to remove me, they're more than welcome to hold that opinion.
I promise I won't hang myself over it.

I'm glad to hear that. :yay: When I first came back to the hype and saw you posting everywhere with an opinion on everything, I found you quite amusing. Often heartless and cruel, sometimes illogical, but usually passionate about your convictions. I wondered, what kind of nut piles up 45,000 posts in 3 years :eek: and has to have something to say about everything .. in long winded, bombastic, often self important posts. It was intriguing in a train-wreck sort of way. I thought, surely he doesn't actually believe anybody gives a crap what he says or thinks about this or that. :huh: Yet he carefully dissects posts and separates quotes to give detailed rebuttals. :woot: Funny.

And then you posted a bit about your ocd and my profs voice from psych 101 came wafting back. Ohhh ... (the little light in my head went om) I get it. He is compelled to reply. He is compelled to have his say. He is compelled to dissect and diagram and rebut and half the time he probably doesn't even believe what he's saying, he just likes to get it out there because somewhere deep inside of him is the hope that somebody out there in this vast world will see what he wrote and find a bit of value in him. :yay: Maybe if he writes enough, he'll find a bit of value in himself.

As you can see, I didn't major in psychology. :o

You're an interesting person, Wilhelm. You appear to me to be wracked with such a myriad of negative thoughts and emotions, it's a wonder you can get through the day. :up: Kudos for being able to. (Seriously) I don't dislike you and I'm not here to attack you or hurt you. I don't understand you, but I don't have to, to value you as a human being. I only wish you could do the same for others. And I do sincerely hope that one day you will find peace. But I don't think I will convince you to have more heart for such people as this little girl, and I know you won't convince me to not feel this way, so I don't see any point in going on and on and on with our conversation. I'll just leave it at that.

[Masamune]

Wilhelm,and Matt...I am enjoying your debate:)

same here homie :yay::hyper:

[Abaddon]

this sounds ridiculous, but the harassment didn't have much to do with it I'm sure.

[Kritish]

The girl's the one who's an idiot. People put too much value upon the words of others. Anyone with an IQ would have blocked them and gotten over it.

[The Original Bamfer]

The girl's the one who's an idiot. People put too much value upon the words of others. Anyone with an IQ would have blocked them and gotten over it.

That's not true at all.

[Abaddon]

I don't see how the world could be a better or worse place because she's dead.:huh:

[Kritish]

That's not true at all.

If someone's acting like an ******* on your page you block them. It's that simple. There's no excuse to get worked up about it, might as less kill yourself.

[Assassin]

that sucks

[Mr Jide]

that's why i said "basically reveling", genius.

if you want specific examples, look at mr. jide and wilhelm's first posts on page one.

Read my first post. I even questioned if this article was real because the layout and its somewhat informal approach in handeling such a delicate story is joke-worthy. If the person writing this can't be assed to maturely scrip this, why should I automatically take it for face value as a serious piece of news? On another note, I've said her death is sad, especially for her family but come on, the circumstances surrounding it s just nonsensical. I'm sorry but a continuously rejected fat girl going gaga over some "hot boy" over the internet was always going to end in tears. Her parents should have done more not to encourage this if they knew full well of the sort of person she was. In fact, everyone involved is at fault but the end decision for the fat girl to take her life was ultimately her own.

[Noir]

Has anyone graphed out what happened? This story is totally a game of clue.

"It was the Johnsons, down the street with mypsace."

[Mr Jide]

Of course I'm not going to put you on my ignore list. How else can I call out all the bull**** you say?

As for mentally ill. Lets see, the girl had A.D.D. (a mental illness). She was CLINICALLY depressed (not simply sad), and had been seeing a psychiatrist since 3rd grade due to suicidal thoughts. If that is not sick, I do not know what is.

and this is why her parents are as at much fault as anyone else involved. How can parents let an overweight, medically unhinged 13 year old have access to an online social network where she's bound to face harsh social misconduct?

[Mr Jide]

DAYUM, Jesus banged a black chick?!

Roasrio Dawson I believe. I need to go watch, he got game again. :whatever: :cwink:

[Mr Jide]

hey jide.
u may have to change ur avatar thanks to the new announcement

Well, until I get a message asking me to do so, it's staying.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

This, Asian text guy sure has a thing for morbid story's.

[sinewave]

Read my first post. I even questioned if this article was real because the layout and its somewhat informal approach in handeling such a delicate story is joke-worthy. If the person writing this can't be assed to maturely scrip this, why should I automatically take it for face value as a serious piece of news? On another note, I've said her death is sad, especially for her family but come on, the circumstances surrounding it s just nonsensical. I'm sorry but a continuously rejected fat girl going gaga over some "hot boy" over the internet was always going to end in tears. Her parents should have done more not to encourage this if they knew full well of the sort of person she was. In fact, everyone involved is at fault but the end decision for the fat girl to take her life was ultimately her own.

i'm assuming it's a real story since the site appears to be a legit newspaper website. i get what you're saying about the idea being almost comical if it were made up, but if it's real, which i'm guessing it is, then i don't find it funny at all.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Not really, a good majority of the site can see through your little charade and I am not the first one to call you on it. In fact, I'd argue that you are still the unpopular little fat boy that you described yourself as in this thread, trying to come off as the "cool kid" on the internet message board.



Were you ever diagnosed with anything? She was. You assume that she did not value her life without even knowing the girl. For all you know, the mental illness simply bypassed the rationality. People with mental illness are detatched from reality and often cannot appreciate the consequences of their actions. Would you say a mentally retarded person is responsible for killing themselves? Well, of course you would...because it would get you attention, but common sense dictates other wise.You hit the nail on the head about him, again.

[Ghostvirus]

Ghost Virus, if you liked Chris Farley, honor him by spelling his name correctly.

I just noticed that. I will fix it.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Now he can rest in peace.

[DBella]

I am posting this just based on what I've read on page 1. What I don't understand is, why "attack" the girl and not the adults who played this mean trick on her? Why is she the "idiot" and not those adults who should act better than they did to this girl? How is this world a better place with that girl's death and not with people like those adults gone? Not everyone is mentally strong and it's just ... loathsome that there are people out there who would exploit and take advantage of the weak in this manner.

[kainedamo]

I think its all too easy to sit back and say "how pathetic" when looking at a situation from the outside. You don't really know what kind of issues a person is dealing with. Especially a young teenage girl. At that age there can be alot of anxiety, mood swings, even teenage depression. There can be alot of insecurity.

I think Wilhelm is too smart to be part of the "how pathetic" sitting on a high horse crowd.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Megan and the girl down the block, the former friend, once had created a fake MySpace account, using the photo of a good-looking girl as a way to talk to boys online.

The girl herself had deceived people online and exploited their loneliness.

The girl's own Mother, in the midst of her grief, said that she didn't feel it was the intention of the tormentors that the girl should commit suicide, but that's what happened.


What you have is a story starring two groups of idiots.

You have:

1) childish, cruel adults and children saying WORDS. Matt and I SEE SPIDEY are being mean to me. If I went and hanged myself last night over it, the assessment would be, "Wha?!?....those 2 stupid guys were gratuitously attacking that dude, but he KILLED HIMSELF OVER IT?!?!? What a FREAK! :huh:"
They were saying cruel words and they played a cruel prank. I don't know what their motivations were.



2) A girl who killed herself over words, and who was too stupid to see that, just as she had been playing people online, she was now getting some Karmic payback for her own cruelty.
AND, parents who are so oblivious that they've raised this fragile little mess of a person, pumped her full of psychoactive drugs, and then neglected her to wander out into the wilds of the internet without guidance, impotently asking her to stop, not even so much as slapping her on the wrist when she defiantly disregarded their orders. And then, at the peak of her preposterous "devastation", they left her alone to hang herself.

Maybe if they'd been up in her room, talking to her, she wouldn't've had a chance to do it.






You have -
Cruel Bullies pulling what should've been a harmless prank

and

An idiot who threw her entire life away over a harmless prank, damning her clueless parents to live in a nightmare of regret for the rest of their lives.



Just as if I'd hanged myself after Matt said mean, untrue words to me, the conclusion is, "Those ass****s were ASS****s, but WHAT A STUPID GIRL!!! And what the f*** was her family THINKING?!



Others have agreed with me, so it's obvious this is a polarizing story and there are two types of people in the world, those who see a suicide and see a victim, and those who see a suicide and see a fool. *shrug*

[Mr Jide]

Whilem can be a right ass h0le at times...well, most of the time but for once I agree with him. Everyone involved, including the departed played a part in the girl's death.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Whilem can be a right ass h0le at times...well, most of the time but for once I agree with him. Everyone involved, including the departed played a part in the girl's death.At least I've never cheated on a girlfriend.

[Matt]

I am posting this just based on what I've read on page 1. What I don't understand is, why "attack" the girl and not the adults who played this mean trick on her? Why is she the "idiot" and not those adults who should act better than they did to this girl? How is this world a better place with that girl's death and not with people like those adults gone? Not everyone is mentally strong and it's just ... loathsome that there are people out there who would exploit and take advantage of the weak in this manner.

Didn't you know Bella?

Because according to Superhobo clinical depression is the equivilant of being a "whiney emo".

And according to Wilhelm he is a "retrospectively self-diagnosed with clinical depression" so if he didn't commit suicide, this girl is weak and pathetic for doing it.

[Mr Jide]

At least I've never cheated on a girlfriend.

That's because you never had the chance to :o :cwink: :oldrazz:

[kainedamo]

Words hurt, Wilhelm.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Words hurt, Wilhelm.Only if you let them. They can't hurt you as much as a throat constricting belt.


A large part of my judgment on this is the fact that I do not automatically despise cruel people, but I automatically despise stupid and over-sensitive people.

The cruel people that I automatically despise are those whose sadism is overtly manifested physically, like the Nazis toward the Jews, or Islamic terrorists beheading a journalist.

When it comes to verbal or conceptual cruelty, I have my own lines. Many of my heroes were known for their verbal cruelty, or cruel pranks. Some of my favorite posts on the Hype have been very cruel posts directed at obviously vulnerable people, like GhostRider87, or JAL.
But, I've also confessed that I thought the Colombia thread started to make me feel bad for GR87, and that it was turning into a case where the tormentors were becoming uglier than the tormentee, so it's not just Black+White.

But with oversensitive people, I try to imagine being the type who would allow themselves to be hurt by harassment, such as that Matt dishes out for me, and then, say, complain to a mod......or being the type who has his closely held beliefs challenged and then actively tries to get the challengers banned, as Christians of weak Faith have done with me, and I just think, What. a. Freekeeng. DWEEB! :whatever:

I would rather have a world of verbally cruel people, who can take it as well as dish it out, than a world of sensitive little wilted flowers who are devoid of common sense/brains enough to put things in perspective.

It's like Columbine.....I don't blame the jocks who teased "The Trenchcoat Mafia" ( :whatever: ) one BIT. It was Dylan and whatisface's oversensitivity and brute stupidity and lack of perspective that make the world a better place in their absence.

I have always had the problem with those unfortunate people who don't see the distinction between sounds comprised of consonants and vowels, and the physical world.
Like, guys will try to raise your ire by saying, "Yer Momma's a WHORE."
Then, there are people who would go punch that guy right out, cuz "You cain't tawk about mah Momma that way! :cmad:"

With me, that wouldn't offend me in any way, because, my Mom is not a whore, and you can say she is one till man has a colony on Mars. It won't MAKE her a whore, and your cruel words are worthless, meaningless.

It's the same thing with the violent weirdo that said he'd go over to the house of these cruel tormentors and burn them alive inside their house.
That's insane. they didn't physically do anything. The stupid GIRL did.

If you live by the verbal sword, then you should die by the verbal sword. If you start unsheathing the physical bladed sword, then we can talk about physical retribution.

This girl took a verbal, conceptual attack, and converted it into the physical world, actually AGAINST THE WILL of the people who didn't like her.
That's beyond irresponsible and stupid and evil and pathetic.
The tormentors were just merely irresponsible, stupid, evil and pathetic.

[amazingfantasy15]

Megan and the girl down the block, the former friend, once had created a fake MySpace account, using the photo of a good-looking girl as a way to talk to boys online.

The girl herself had deceived people online and exploited their loneliness.

The girl's own Mother, in the midst of her grief, said that she didn't feel it was the intention of the tormentors that the girl should commit suicide, but that's what happened.

What you have is a story starring two groups of idiots.

You have:

1) childish, cruel adults and children saying WORDS. Matt and I SEE SPIDEY are being mean to me. If I went and hanged myself last night over it, the assessment would be, "Wha?!?....those 2 stupid guys were gratuitously attacking that dude, but he KILLED HIMSELF OVER IT?!?!? What a FREAK! :huh:"
They were saying cruel words and they played a cruel prank. I don't know what their motivations were.

2) A girl who killed herself over words, and who was too stupid to see that, just as she had been playing people online, she was now getting some Karmic payback for her own cruelty.
AND, parents who are so oblivious that they've raised this fragile little mess of a person, pumped her full of psychoactive drugs, and then neglected her to wander out into the wilds of the internet without guidance, impotently asking her to stop, not even so much as slapping her on the wrist when she defiantly disregarded their orders. And then, at the peak of her preposterous "devastation", they left her alone to hang herself.

Maybe if they'd been up in her room, talking to her, she wouldn't've had a chance to do it.

You have -
Cruel Bullies pulling what should've been a harmless prank

and

An idiot who threw her entire life away over a harmless prank, damning her clueless parents to live in a nightmare of regret for the rest of their lives.

Just as if I'd hanged myself after Matt said mean, untrue words to me, the conclusion is, "Those ass****s were ASS****s, but WHAT A STUPID GIRL!!! And what the f*** was her family THINKING?!

Others have agreed with me, so it's obvious this is a polarizing story and there are two types of people in the world, those who see a suicide and see a victim, and those who see a suicide and see a fool. *shrug*

The only thing I agree with in this post is that the girl shouldn't have let the lies get to her so much that she killed herself.

However, this wasn't a harmless prank gone wrong, the people talking about her weren't some faceless people on the internet. The people who set up the account are sick individuals, who knew this girl and knew how to get to her and exploit her weaknesses and insecurities in an attempt to harm her psychologically, there's no denying that. They may not have intended to make her kill herself, but they did intend to harm her, that's not a innocent prank. And to bring up that the girl did this before is irrelevent, she was just playing, she didn't do it to purposely hurt people, there's a difference between an 11-12 year old (I think that's how old the article said she was at the time of her fake account) making a fake account to talk to people innocently and adults setting up a fake account with the sole intent of gaining a persons trust through information they knew about her and then intentionally hurting her using weaknesses and insecurities they also knew about.

Also, I can't believe people are blaming the parents, I don't think they should have let doctors put her on so many meds and had her go to a psychologist since the 3rd grade because I believe that will only compound the problem making the girl believe there's some seriously wrong with her. However, to blame them because they let their daughter on the internet? And to call them neglectful? It says in the article her parents did monitor her activity and were very cautious. The day of the major problem the mom was taking care of her other daughter, you can't always be there and not checking on her, she was an upset teenager, they're emotional time bombs that will fly off the handle over many things, it happens a lot and usually doesn't end in suicide, the parents probably just thought she needed to be alone for a while, cry it out.

This is a little blame to be laid on the girl and the parents, but a lions share belongs on the sick people down the street that set about a long, long game with the sole intent to psychologically hurt this girl for the pettiest of reasons.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The Mom said she'd monitor her online activity.
You can not do that from outside the house.
They took the step of being the only ones with the password, but that is useless if you open it up with the password and then leave the house. :whatever:
How differently would this have gone down had the mother been there when Megan erupted into an indignant sob?

The mother told her to log off and the girl disobeyed. Then, according to the story, the Mom said, "I am so aggravated with you because you disobeyed me."


I would like also to remind everyone of all the anti-depressants that are KNOWN, oddly, to INCREASE suicidal thoughts, especially in teenagers.
I don't know which specific psychoactive drugs they were pumping into her, but that raises an eyebrow too.

Any normal, thinking mother would've seen the fishy red flags waving around "Josh" as well.

[Noir]

does anyone have the link to Chubby's myspace?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

does anyone have the link to Chubby's myspace?Careful. Using that word is murder.

[Noir]

**** that, an insult can't kill, a fat-ass with a belt and a closet kills.

[jaguarr]

The Mom said she'd monitor her online activity.
You can not do that from outside the house.


Wanna bet?

jag

[PemLam]

**** that, an insult can't kill, a fat-ass with a belt and a closet kills.

Wow. :wow:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wanna bet?

jagOh boy. Yeah, I know. The computer guy always remote accesses this very computer and then my mouse cursor looks demon possessed.

I meant, like, from the Orthodontist's office, like, we know this mother was not actually monitoring her activity from outside the house.
I looked at the story again and it was actually worse.
The mother WAS there when Megan first got the troubling messages from "Josh", but she was pressed for time and left.....Left her on the computer, so she could "finish up".

Then she called to see if Megan obeyed her and signed off, like that would happen.

[jaguarr]

Oh boy. Yeah, I know. The computer guy always remote accesses this very computer and then my mouse cursor looks demon possessed.

I meant, like, from the Orthodontist's office, like, we know this mother was not actually monitoring her activity from outside the house.
I looked at the story again and it was actually worse.
The mother WAS there when Megan first got the troubling messages from "Josh", but she was pressed for time and left.....Left her on the computer, so she could "finish up".

Then she called to see if Megan obeyed her and signed off, like that would happen.

At the first sign of all this stupidity the Mom should have pulled the plug and taken her daughter to the Ortho's office with her and squashed all of it. She's hysterical and beside herself over all this nonsense and you let her stay on and keep reading it? No.

jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

At the first sign of all this stupidity the Mom should have pulled the plug and taken her daughter to the Ortho's office with her and squashed all of it. She's hysterical and beside herself over all this nonsense and you let her stay on and keep reading it? No.

jagSeriously, truly.
Would any parent think for a second that myspace was such a risky venture that they needed to be in control of access to it, and then, find out that people on myspace were being mean to their depressed, "mentally ill" daughter, and that they could simply say, "Get off of myspace, K?", and then leave, and the teenaged girl WOULD get off of it?

Mind-Boggling.

[悪魔天]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=288950

new thread to put all my findings instead of starting new threads here,and there.

[jaguarr]

Seriously, truly.
Would any parent think for a second that myspace was such a risky venture that they needed to be in control of access to it, and then, find out that people on myspace were being mean to their depressed, "mentally ill" daughter, and that they could simply say, "Get off of myspace, K?", and then leave, and the teenaged girl WOULD get off of it?

Mind-Boggling.

Seriously, everyone in this story is f**ked up and carries blame. The parents for not squashing this nonsense before it escalated not to mention making sure this girl took her meds. The adults who made the fake account with the intent of causing psychological damage to this girl since they knew her history. The daughter of the Myspace stalker psychos for letting them do it. The neighbor and her daughter for not saying something sooner. They're all jackasses. Every single last one of them!

jag

[kainedamo]

Only if you let them. They can't hurt you as much as a throat constricting belt.


A large part of my judgment on this is the fact that I do not automatically despise cruel people, but I automatically despise stupid and over-sensitive people.

The cruel people that I automatically despise are those whose sadism is overtly manifested physically, like the Nazis toward the Jews, or Islamic terrorists beheading a journalist.

When it comes to verbal or conceptual cruelty, I have my own lines. Many of my heroes were known for their verbal cruelty, or cruel pranks. Some of my favorite posts on the Hype have been very cruel posts directed at obviously vulnerable people, like GhostRider87, or JAL.
But, I've also confessed that I thought the Colombia thread started to make me feel bad for GR87, and that it was turning into a case where the tormentors were becoming uglier than the tormentee, so it's not just Black+White.

But with oversensitive people, I try to imagine being the type who would allow themselves to be hurt by harassment, such as that Matt dishes out for me, and then, say, complain to a mod......or being the type who has his closely held beliefs challenged and then actively tries to get the challengers banned, as Christians of weak Faith have done with me, and I just think, What. a. Freekeeng. DWEEB! :whatever:

I would rather have a world of verbally cruel people, who can take it as well as dish it out, than a world of sensitive little wilted flowers who are devoid of common sense/brains enough to put things in perspective.

It's like Columbine.....I don't blame the jocks who teased "The Trenchcoat Mafia" ( :whatever: ) one BIT. It was Dylan and whatisface's oversensitivity and brute stupidity and lack of perspective that make the world a better place in their absence.

I have always had the problem with those unfortunate people who don't see the distinction between sounds comprised of consonants and vowels, and the physical world.
Like, guys will try to raise your ire by saying, "Yer Momma's a WHORE."
Then, there are people who would go punch that guy right out, cuz "You cain't tawk about mah Momma that way! :cmad:"

With me, that wouldn't offend me in any way, because, my Mom is not a whore, and you can say she is one till man has a colony on Mars. It won't MAKE her a whore, and your cruel words are worthless, meaningless.

It's the same thing with the violent weirdo that said he'd go over to the house of these cruel tormentors and burn them alive inside their house.
That's insane. they didn't physically do anything. The stupid GIRL did.

If you live by the verbal sword, then you should die by the verbal sword. If you start unsheathing the physical bladed sword, then we can talk about physical retribution.

This girl took a verbal, conceptual attack, and converted it into the physical world, actually AGAINST THE WILL of the people who didn't like her.
That's beyond irresponsible and stupid and evil and pathetic.
The tormentors were just merely irresponsible, stupid, evil and pathetic.

You're belittiling people that have been through bullying. See on one hand, I think this girl was old enough to be smart enough to just stop going on myspace if it was bothering her that much.

I'm just thinking of things from the perspective that it can be very tough to be a kid thats being bullied, even if it is only verbal. I've been victim to it as a kid and I've been witness to some pretty nasty verbal bullying and I've heard alot of stories.

See, a person doesn't start off as this delicate little flower that can't "take a joke" as some might say. There is only so much a person can take. Especially if they are young. If you're going to school each day, and this group of nasty bastards are calling you fat, or stupid, or making fun of your clothes or whatever just constantly day in and day out, that is going to push you down into the gutter. Its going to push your self esteem and confidence really low. It can't not have an effect on you.

In saying that, and I was giving alot of thought to this as I was watching a movie about bullying recently, the only person that really has the power to stop bullies is the victim of it. Like in this case, she really should have just stopped using myspace, or not use the internet for social networking. In the case of real life, its much harder. And maybe the only way for it to stop is to stop going to school, or move away. If that isn't an option, your teachers and parents can only do so much. They're mostly powerless. You have to somehow find the confidence to continuously and constantly confront the bullies. Extremely difficult when you're on your own. And that might even just exasperate things.

I think real bullying, even if it NEVER gets physical, is one of the worst things a person can experience psychologically. It can take years for a person to regain their confidence.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

SPIDER-MAN!!!

SPIDER-MAN!!!


Yeah, we know your travails.

[Ghostvirus]

It isn't about being Bullied. It is about the whether or not the people around you are supportive. Parents, Counselors, Teachers, etc...

If a child is being bullied, & there is no one to turn to, then that person can feel extremely alone.

In this case. The mother wouldn't even listen to her daughter when she was telling her that she was getting teased on my space. The mother was more bothered by the fact that she didn't listen to her.

Then the girl went to her father, & her father pretty much did the same thing. He blew her off. By that point she felt alone. Which she pretty much was.

The parents probably don't want to hear it, but they are partially responsible for her death. If they had taken the time to listen to her, & look at what those people were saying. Then more than likely she would've calmed down, & all this could have been avoided.

Thus why the parents are blaming myspace. Yes myspace, & those a-holes in that neighborhood are mostly responsible. But the parents should have been there for her. Instead they were to worried about her being an obedient little puppy.

[kainedamo]

SPIDER-MAN!!!

SPIDER-MAN!!!


Yeah, we know your travails.


lol, yeah. See the thing is, those guys were doing that for years. I'm talking over a 3 year period probably longer. Either shouting it across the street, or under their breath passing me. Almost on a daily basis. It took a year for that to start bothering me :huh: It took a further two years for me to blow up at one of them as I have described previously. And I'd say I was more patient than most people would have been in that situation.

Anyone that says verbal harrassment could never bother them is either lying or an idiot.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

lol, yeah. See the thing is, those guys were doing that for years. I'm talking over a 3 year period probably longer. Either shouting it across the street, or under their breath passing me. Almost on a daily basis. It took a year for that to start bothering me :huh:

Anyone that says verbal harrassment could never bother them is either lying or an idiot.And I will tell you this. If I were to hear a news story of a lad who went home and hung himself because of the prolonged pain of being called "Spider-Man" by the roving youth gangs of Belfast, again I would say, "What a moron, the world is better off without such a flimsy, worthless person in it."
Thank God you made it through those stormy seas and you're still with us!
And the world is better for it...because now we have a strong, tier 2 slacker raking in the $13.80, buying the posh TV's, stimulating the economy, creating the lewd, misogynistic comics, etc.

[Showtime]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=288950

new thread to put all my findings instead of starting new threads here,and there.

Your findings? You're not Doc Brown ya know?

[kainedamo]

And I will tell you this. If I were to hear a news story of a lad who went home and hung himself because of the prolonged pain of being called "Spider-Man" by the roving youth gangs of Belfast, again I would say, "What a moron, the world is better off without such a flimsy, worthless person in it."
Thank God you made it through those stormy seas and you're still with us!
And the world is better for it...because now we have a strong, tier 2 slacker raking in the $13.80, buying the posh TV's, stimulating the economy, creating the lewd, misogynistic comics, etc.

I love that about you, that you take all this **** in.

I'm an adult, I'm more emotionally able and more experienced to be able to deal with these types of situations of verbal harrassment. Let's look at the situation and change it a little. Say the same group of guys targeted a guy a couple of years younger. Well, still, the Spider-Man taunts wouldn't be enough to drive the guy to suicide. But its still enough to piss a guy well off.

And how I reacted to the kids, I still think I had more patience than about 80% of people in the same situation.

When I worked in the cinema, I saw this guy, a proper adult maybe in his mid 20s, and his bimbo of a girlfriend walking around. The guy was smoking, which clearly isn't allowed in a cinema. I asked the guy to put it out, the guy reacted like a giant child. "I'm smoking it, so tough", I asked him again to put it out, and he ****ing exploded. I'm saying he went totally ape ****, stood there in a fighting stance as if ready to hit me, and threatened to kick the **** out of me. I still insisted that he put it out and told him if he lay a finger on me he'd get arrested. The guy fumed with anger, his face was pure red, and he stormed out of the place. That guy has issues.

I guess my point is, I wouldn't say a person was weak because they exploded at some ******* teenager that was verbally harrassing them for about 3 years. I wouldn't say that someone younger than myself being seriously affected by verbal bullying is weak. Ganging up on a person to harrass them is weak and pathetic. Exploding because someone asked you to stop smoking is weak and pathetic.

[sinewave]

wilhelm is secretly pastor fred phelps.

[wilhelm-scream]god hates sensitive fat kids!!![/wilhelm-scream]

:ninja: :dry: :hyper:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

wilhelm is secretly pastor fred phelps.

[wilhelm-scream]god hates sensitive fat kids!!![/wilhelm-scream]

:ninja: :dry: :hyper:God loves everybody and Megan knows that now.

[sinewave]

God loves everybody and Megan knows that now.

except teh gays. :csad:

[Kritish]

I think its all too easy to sit back and say "how pathetic" when looking at a situation from the outside. You don't really know what kind of issues a person is dealing with. Especially a young teenage girl. At that age there can be alot of anxiety, mood swings, even teenage depression. There can be alot of insecurity.

I think Wilhelm is too smart to be part of the "how pathetic" sitting on a high horse crowd.

Feeling insecure about yourself isn't an excuse to kill yourself over a few cruel words on your myspace page! People are too sensitive.

[Noir]

I wonder how many pricks on myspace I've killed?

[Kritish]

I wonder how many pricks on myspace I've killed?

Tons hopefully. :up:

[Noir]

I actually doubt I've killed any, 99.5% of the world knows to shake of insults, the other percent were Girl pants and look like "lando"

[DBella]

It seems to me that what some people here lack is empathy. Just because words don't affect you as it affect others, I don't think you should trivialize how those same words may affect other people. Not everyone is mature enough or strong enough emotionally and/or mentally to brush aside insults. If you can do that, good for you and I applaud you for that. But this is a young girl we're talking about. Not just a young girl but a girl who is emotionally (and maybe mentally) unstable. To exploit her weakness, on purpose, that is evil. We can play the Blame Game all we want but a life is lost over a callous act, initiated by adults who should know better. Is the world a better place because of it? I certainly do not feel any significant change. On the contrary, it's a sad reflection of our society, imo.

[Mr Jide]

If people choose to kill themselves, let them. Hopefully populated areas will become less dense and there'd potentially be more housing availibility. This girl was simply, crazy. I'm not going to sugar coat her condition with some PC jargon, I'm going to call it what it is. She was crazy, a nutter, she was off her rocker. She had no business being on a social networking site and the fact that she made the choice to kill herself, knowing full well it ment her demise, goes to show how little she valued her life. I'm not going to feel sorry for a person like that. I do however, think the circumstances that built up to her death was sad, callous and avoidable but the girl killed herself because she was the subject of closed ridicule.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

a life is lost over a callous actYep. Her life is lost because of her own callous act.

[kainedamo]

Feeling insecure about yourself isn't an excuse to kill yourself over a few cruel words on your myspace page! People are too sensitive.

People can definately be overly sensitive, but can you really say thats all it was that drove her to suicide? Ya don't know her state of mind and what other issues she had on her mind.

[DBella]

Yep. Her life is lost because of her own callous act.
Yes. She had no business to be emotionally (and probably mentally) unstable. At 14, she should be mature enough to not take things seriously. She shouldn't be so sensitive, dammit! Darn these people for being weak and all hail to those who can exploit their weakness!

And to Mr. Jide, yes, all crazy people deserve to die so we can have more space for sane people... space for like... housing and stuff. There is no room in this world for unstable people. In fact, there should be screening during pregnancy so we can terminate those crazies before they were born. It's a fact that unstable people are born like that and it's got nothing to do with how their life experiences may have affected them and turn them to lunatics who doesn't know the value of life.

[Carcharodon]

Yes. She had no business to be emotionally (and probably mentally) unstable. At 14, she should be mature enough to not take things seriously. She shouldn't be so sensitive, dammit! Darn these people for being weak and all hail to those who can exploit their weakness!

And to Mr. Jide, yes, all crazy people deserve to die so we can have more space for sane people... space for like... housing and stuff. There is no room in this world for unstable people. In fact, there should be screening during pregnancy so we can terminate those crazies before they were born. It's a fact that unstable people are born like that and it's got nothing to do with how their life experiences may have affected them and turn them to lunatics who doesn't know the value of life.Cool, she's starting to get it. I knew there was a reason she was Hype! President! :up:

[DBella]

Now Hype! President. Next Ruler of the Universe!!! Bwahahaha!

[Kritish]

It seems to me that what some people here lack is empathy. Just because words don't affect you as it affect others, I don't think you should trivialize how those same words may affect other people. Not everyone is mature enough or strong enough emotionally and/or mentally to brush aside insults. If you can do that, good for you and I applaud you for that. But this is a young girl we're talking about. Not just a young girl but a girl who is emotionally (and maybe mentally) unstable. To exploit her weakness, on purpose, that is evil. We can play the Blame Game all we want but a life is lost over a callous act, initiated by adults who should know better. Is the world a better place because of it? I certainly do not feel any significant change. On the contrary, it's a sad reflection of our society, imo.

No one's defending the people who said those things to her. Dealing with *******s is a lot easier than killing yourself. Block the users grab a coke and get over it. People are too damn sensitive these days.

[Noir]

Do we really care about fat emo *****es? Seriously? It had to be asked.

[Kritish]

Yes. She had no business to be emotionally (and probably mentally) unstable. At 14, she should be mature enough to not take things seriously. She shouldn't be so sensitive, dammit! Darn these people for being weak and all hail to those who can exploit their weakness!


There's a difference between being emotional and being so emotionally weak you kill yourself over a few words.

Her own instability gave those people a weakness for them to exploit. She let them win.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yes. She had no business to be emotionally (and probably mentally) unstable. At 14, she should be mature enough to not take things seriously. She shouldn't be so sensitive, dammit! Darn these people for being weak and all hail to those who can exploit their weakness!There it goes again, this absurd notion that because you think the girl was unforgivably stupid, you must side with her tormentors. :whatever:

The people who were tormenting her were evil, cruel and thoughtless. Go ahead and take their internet connection away so they can't ever anonymously tease or manipulate a child ever again. That would be great!

But whatever you think about them, they were "f***ing around".
Suicide is not "f***ing around".
It's the most serious thing you can do...especially, ESPECIALLY if you have people who care about you. It's the ultimate slap in the face to yourself, your loved ones and the universe.
Cruel pranks are NOT the "ultimate".

I was just watching a show on PBS about teenagers that were killed while driving drunk.
They were interviewing the parents, and they were talking about how it's years after their son was killed himself, and still, even when good things happen, it's impossible to enjoy them. Their whole lives are now consumed by regret and sorrow, forever...for NO good reason.

That's the kind of Hell this stupid girl condemned everyone who knew her to live in, chiefly of course, her parents.

[kainedamo]

There it goes again, this absurd notion that because you think the girl was unforgivably stupid, you must side with her tormentors. :whatever:

The people who were tormenting her were evil, cruel and thoughtless. Go ahead and take their internet connection away so they can't ever anonymously tease or manipulate a child ever again. That would be great!

But whatever you think about them, they were "f***ing around".
Suicide is not "f***ing around".
It's the most serious thing you can do...especially, ESPECIALLY if you have people who care about you. It's the ultimate slap in the face to yourself, your loved ones and the universe.
Cruel pranks are NOT the "ultimate".

I was just watching a show on PBS about teenagers that were killed while driving drunk.
They were interviewing the parents, and they were talking about how it's years after their son was killed himself, and still, even when good things happen, it's impossible to enjoy them. Their whole lives are now consumed by regret and sorrow, forever...for NO good reason.

That's the kind of Hell this stupid girl condemned everyone who knew her to live in, chiefly of course, her parents.

Thats the kinda **** you think about when you wanna committe suicide, actually.

Its by no means an easy choice :huh:

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I know all about wanting to commit suicide.
I've come close on several occasions.
I've even been so insane that one night I wanted to kill myself because I was so HAPPY and FULFILLED.
I know it inside and out.

[kainedamo]

Okay, and was that during your adulthood?

I'm surprised at how stupid you're being on this issue.

You're basically expecting a 14 year old to have the maturity, emotional security, and stability of an adult. Teenagers get depressed really ****ing easy. The suicide rate of teenagers in Northern Ireland is one of the highest in the UK.

[DBella]

There it goes again, this absurd notion that because you think the girl was unforgivably stupid, you must side with her tormentors. :whatever:

The people who were tormenting her were evil, cruel and thoughtless. Go ahead and take their internet connection away so they can't ever anonymously tease or manipulate a child ever again. That would be great!

But whatever you think about them, they were "f***ing around".
Suicide is not "f***ing around".
It's the most serious thing you can do...especially, ESPECIALLY if you have people who care about you. It's the ultimate slap in the face to yourself, your loved ones and the universe.
Cruel pranks are NOT the "ultimate".

I was just watching a show on PBS about teenagers that were killed while driving drunk.
They were interviewing the parents, and they were talking about how it's years after their son was killed himself, and still, even when good things happen, it's impossible to enjoy them. Their whole lives are now consumed by regret and sorrow, forever...for NO good reason.

That's the kind of Hell this stupid girl condemned everyone who knew her to live in, chiefly of course, her parents.
I do not condone suicide and personally, I don't think it's right. Why? Because for me, you only have one life and you should make the best of it and not let others ruin it for you. Ultimately, we all will die... death (and taxes) is something you cannot avoid, but I'd rather not die that way.

So anyway, there's a flip side to everything. We hear people say that we should live our lives as we choose. But shouldn't the choice of not wanting to live our life be ours as well? Who are we living for? Others or ourselves? Do other people know of the pain or suffering that we carry or feel? Do they live it? If we're so miserable, who are they to say that we should carry on living? Live for them? Why?

So, if she lives, because of her weakness, she'll feel condemned but her death has condemned her family.

One of my brother's best friend committed suicide at age 17 and so I've seen first hand how such an act can affect the family.

[DBella]

I know all about wanting to commit suicide.
I've come close on several occasions.
I've even been so insane that one night I wanted to kill myself because I was so HAPPY and FULFILLED.
I know it inside and out.
It's good to know that you decided on sparing your own life. Otherwise, the Hype! just wouldn't be the same.

But not everyone is you, Wil. Everyone's experience is different. The reason you had for not going through with it, maybe that girl didn't have it.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Okay, and was that during your adulthood?

I'm surprised at how stupid you're being on this issue.

You're basically expecting a 14 year old to have the maturity, emotional security, and stability of an adult. Teenagers get depressed really ****ing easy. The suicide rate of teenagers in Northern Ireland is one of the highest in the UK.I have talked at length about how it was when I was in elementary school, and junior high.
It was also when I was older suffering from extreme anxiety and depression and in the throes of late stage alcoholism.
I am not being stupid just because you people think that teenagers are never responsible for their actions.
I'm sorry, depressed minors with A.D.D. are responsible too.

[kainedamo]

I hate kids just as much as anyone else. I just think its a bit heartless to look at a 14 year old girl that killed herself and say "how pathetic".

[Abaddon]

Yep. Her life is lost because of her own callous act.

and she deserved it, didn't she? what a looooser.:huh:

[Majik1387]

How does anyone in here believe this? An average height, heavier set girl hanging herself in the closet? :dry:

[Abaddon]

they make em sturdy now.:o

[Majik1387]

Not sturdy enough for a fat girl to hang herself.:o

[Abaddon]

I hadn't read the full story before. I hate the way it's written.:down

[The Original Bamfer]

I hadn't read the full story before. I hate the way it's written.:down

Yeah, same here. There's something wrong with it.

[Majik1387]

I read a bit over halfway but just stopped because it was like a myspace blog.

[Abaddon]

Megan went to her room and Ron went downstairs to the kitchen, where he and Tina talked about what had happened, the MySpace account, and made dinner.

Twenty minutes later, Tina suddenly froze in mid-sentence.

"I had this God-awful feeling and I ran up into her room and she had hung herself in the closet."

Megan Taylor Meier died the next day, three weeks before her 14th birthday.

Later that day, Ron opened his daughter's MySpace account and viewed what he believes to be the final message Megan saw - one the FBI would be unable to retrieve from the hard drive.

It was from Josh and, according to Ron's best recollection, it said, "Everybody in O'Fallon knows how you are. You are a bad person and everybody hates you. Have a ****ty rest of your life. The world would be a better place without you."

BEYOND GRIEF INTO FURY

Tina and Ron saw a grief counselor. Tina went to a couple of Parents After Loss of Suicide meetings, as well.

They tried to message Josh Evans, to let him know the deadly power of mean words. But his MySpace account had been deleted.

oh whatever:whatever:

[Majik1387]

^To the article or what I said?

[Abaddon]

the article.

[Lackey]

It was the psychiatrist's fault. She was seeing the psychiatrist for so long and he or she was too incompetent to cure her or give better advice to the parents. What a douchebag

[The Lizard]

Those evil psychs never help anyone. I'll bet some Scientology auditing would have fixed that poor lonely fat girl right up! :up:

http://www.scientology.cc/resources/img/std/about/scientology/auditing_session.jpg

[DBella]

Just wondering... I keep seeing people mention "fat girl"... if she's not fat, let's say she's very good looking, not lonely and has friends, but still has some issues (mentally and emotionally), would you be less harsh towards her? I think society's prejudice against fat people are as bad, if not worse, then our racial prejudice.

[Abaddon]

there should be Fat Pride Parades. Everyone goes as a float.

[Ghostvirus]

Just wondering... I keep seeing people mention "fat girl"... if she's not fat, let's say she's very good looking, not lonely and has friends, but still has some issues (mentally and emotionally), would you be less harsh to her? I think society's prejudice against fat people are as bad, if not worse, then our racial prejudice.

Word.:up:

[The Lizard]

I think society's prejudice against fat people are as bad, if not worse, then our racial prejudice.

I disagree with that simply because from a physiological viewpoint fat = unhealthy, where one's race has nothing to do with health. People tend to naturally shun things that have the appearance of unhealthiness or sickness, for better or for worse.

Although I called the girl fat (since the article described her as "big"), I'm not blaming her for her mental issues. I've already said that the parents were most at fault for not keeping a more tight reign on the addictive internet activity of their emotionally troubled daughter.

[DBella]

I disagree with that simply because from a physiological viewpoint fat = unhealthy, where one's race has nothing to do with health. People tend to naturally shun things that have the appearance of unhealthiness or sickness, for better or for worse.

Although I called the girl fat (since the article described her as "big"), I'm not blaming her for her mental issues. I've already said that the parents were most at fault for not keeping a more tight reign on the addictive internet activity of their emotionally troubled daughter.
So are you saying it's okay to make fun and ridicule fat people because fat = unhealthy? Are they less of a human being because of their size and because they eat unhealthy food? The thing is, if you noticed, most fat people do not come from a high economic background and this is because fatty food are much cheaper than healthy food. You looked at the physiological viewpoint (and I can understand the point you made), did you look at the economic viewpoint and the psychological viewpoint?

[BRUTAL]

So are you saying it's okay to make fun and ridicule fat people because fat = unhealthy?
Well duh.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

As far as I recall I've been calling her the depressed girl or the "mentally ill" girl to highlight Matt's preposterous over-inflation of her "illness".

Whether fat or scrawny, my problem is with stupid people whose HYPER-sensitivity is reason enough for them to commit suicide.

[Halcohol]

So it's sort of like the psychological equivalent of a hemophiliac. As in evolution tried something different, it didn't work out, but the species as a whole is stronger?

[DBella]

As far as I recall I've been calling her the depressed girl or the "mentally ill" girl to highlight Matt's preposterous over-inflation of her "illness".

Whether fat or scrawny, my problem is with stupid people whose HYPER-sensitivity is reason enough for them to commit suicide.
You may not have made an issue out of her size, but I've seen a few posters done it and hence my... wondering.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

So it's sort of like the psychological equivalent of a hemophiliac. As in evolution tried something different, it didn't work out, but the species as a whole is stronger?Well, would you've liked this girl to be breeding?

[Carcharodon]

So it's sort of like the psychological equivalent of a hemophiliac. As in evolution tried something different, it didn't work out, but the species as a whole is stronger?I...don't really think that's evolution at work. It's a heritable mutation, sure, but that alone doesn't qualify as evolution.

[/Unrelated Nitpick]

[DBella]

You can't breed when you're dead.

[Carcharodon]

You can't breed when you're dead.If you want to get very technical, then yes, you can. Generally, though, you're right.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

You can't breed when you're dead.Right.
So, the family, in their little microcosm, is sad.
But the world is better off.

[BRUTAL]

Have the parents of this chick been taken into consideration for raising such a sensitive and sheltered little mind?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Have the parents of this chick been taken into consideration for raising such a sensitive and sheltered little mind?My words were that the parents were responsible for raising a "fragile little mess of a person". Yes.

[Halcohol]

I...don't really think that's evolution at work. It's a heritable mutation, sure, but that alone doesn't qualify as evolution.

[/Unrelated Nitpick]
It's the first step. Who knows, we may all be tree people in 100 years.

[Carcharodon]

It's the first step. Who knows, we may all be tree people in 100 years.:dry:

:csad:

[BRUTAL]

My words were that the parents were responsible for raising a "fragile little mess of a person". Yes.
Well there you go then. After 14 years of life, this little girl came to the conclusion that MySpace interaction was the end-all-be-all of life experience? That mentality would not have survived all that long in the real world anyhow, I think the answer is staring us all straight in the face, we just have to accept it.

She didn't love Jesus enough.

[Halcohol]

Jesus doesn't care about fat people.

[BRUTAL]

Clearly

[Abaddon]

Right.
So, the family, in their little microcosm, is sad.
But the world is better off.

For every social retard that hangs themselves because of something like this, there's another that decides to take his/her aggression out on other people. So no, the world isn't better off.:huh:

[DV8]

I hear a lot of debating here, and nobody seems to acknowledge the real victim here: the innocent, helpless foosball table :( I like to foos . . .

[Carcharodon]

For every social retard that hangs themselves because of something like this, there's another that decides to take his/her aggression out on other people. So no, the world isn't better off.:huh:You'd rather there were two social retards that takes his/her aggression out on other people? :dry:

*Does not compute!*

[Abaddon]

You'd rather there were two social retards that takes his/her aggression out on other people? :dry:

*Does not compute!*

what are you talking about? one of them takes it out on other people, the other takes it on themselves. which is worse?:huh: