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[Jason Blood]

Hhmm yes, it is quite concerning how many workers have gone in the last year, and over the last 4 or 5 days, there has been some big surprises. With people like billy gunn and rico being let go, the company is going to have no substance to it, you'll get openers and lowercarders that people wont really have the chance to get to know, and you'll get the topcarders consisting of the same old few. Dare i say it, but the title feuds as of late have become boring and inbred, especially on RAW, HHH etc. Theres a lot of good, loyal stars they let go, i just hope that it was for legitimate financial reasons and not for something silly.

what are you talking about?

Rico and Gunn were on Velocity

[Jason Blood]

I could see Cena doing the franchiser (but not as a finisher)

what is the chartbuster (disco's finisher)?

[3dman27]

what are you talking about?

Rico and Gunn were on Velocitythe did appear on raw once rico after the billy &chuck incedent :daredevil

[Apocalypse26]

what are you talking about?

Rico and Gunn were on Velocity
hhmm, i guess your right, but looking at how many times billy gunn has been pushed and dropped down to sub-show standard, and then brought back up again, i guess i'm just living in the past!

[3dman27]

i wartched the velocity show i taped las night and rico was wrestling how could that be if he was released?

[Jason Blood]

velocity is taped before Smackdown (same with heat but for Raw)

[John Constantine]

Rico really wasn't on Velocity much. Before he suffered his serious injury, he was a teag team champion with Charlie Haas and was pretty much over than half the wrestlers that are still on Smackdown. He's a pretty good wrestler, his gimmick is also more entertaining than most of the other ones on SD. I mean I have to admit, when he wrestles, it's one of the few times I actually watch the match because his antics/"mat psychology" crack me up so many times. Plus, he was a pretty decent midcarder at best. His release really puzzles me.

[Pink Ranger]

^ Even though he was a great character, I think his age was a factor. Rico's in his 40s, so there's not much of an upside to investing in him from a business standpoint if the WWE is in as much financial trouble as I believe it is.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, I guess his age was a stumbling point with him. But that could've been a good thing as well. I heard that he was a great mentor to John Cena back when both were in OVW. He probably would've been great helping out all of the new wrestlers who come up to WWE.

[3dman27]

in re the release of nidia

i watched her and victoria wrestle the team of molly holly and jazz[replacing the originally scheduled gail kim,who was ALSO released my question is if nidia was released and NO LONGER WORKING FOR THE WWE why was she wrestling on heat?

[Jason Blood]

Heat is taped before Raw

so when you see Raw on Monday they were taping Heat before

[Jason Blood]

TNA Releases Superstar And More
Credit - 1wrestling

When asked about the released WWE superstars coming to TNA in the near future at this weekends fanfest, Jeff Jarrett was quoted as saying "We are eager to speak with all of them and sign all of them."

Chad Collyer has been released from TNA. He asked to be let out of his contract and was granted it.

[Jason Blood]

TNA Victory Road - Quick Match Results

- X Divison Gauntlet Winner: Hector Garza
- Johnny B. Badd, Ron Killings, Empire Saint & Erik Watts def. Naturals, Kid Kash & Dallas
- Minis Match: Mascarita Sagrada def. Piratita Morgan
- Tag Titles: 3 Live Kru def. Team Canada to win the titles
- Trinity def. Jackie
- Monsters Ball: Monty Brown def. Raven and Abyss
- X Division Title: Petey Williams def. AJ Styles to retain
- Last Team Standing: AMW def. Triple X
- Heavyweight Title Ladder Match: Jeff Jarrett def. Jeff Hardy to retain


Also Billy Gunn has signed with TNA on this past friday

the name Billy Gunn is owned by the WWE so he will have to use a different ring-name

I've heard some talk about a no contest clause and TNA waiting to use him

[Donnie Darko]

Johnny B. Badd? As in THE Johnny B. Badd? I've only been able to watch TNA like once or twice. I wish I could watch it more because it was cool and they seem to have a really impressive roster (people with wrestling skills, not huge bodies or star power).

[Metamorpho1977]

^ Even though he was a great character, I think his age was a factor. Rico's in his 40s, so there's not much of an upside to investing in him from a business standpoint if the WWE is in as much financial trouble as I believe it is.
I remember when Rico was on American Gladiators.

[John Constantine]

hahaha...Billy Gunn signed with TNA already. You think he might feud with BG James? ;)

[3dman27]

i'll have to skip raw tonight theres a new series of martial arts matches premiering on the sunshine network called SHIN DU KUMITE and i want to tape it could somebody post the results?

[Donnie Darko]

I had to miss Raw tonight, too. Why no comments on the show?

[3dman27]

yeah i thougt i'd have to miss it 'cause i was watching a new show called shen do kumite but i managed to get the last 90minutessince the firs1/2hr is usually all talk

[WildChild]

I had to miss Raw tonight, too. Why no comments on the show?
It wasn't that good.Actually it was kinda lame.Only good part was Christian even tho he did't do much:D

[The Ghoul]

It was pretty lame. I thought the only good part was when Snitsky (god he is a lame douche) slammed jericho's back into the ring post you could hear jericho yell "Aww f**k!" witou any censor or 3 sec. deley.

[Donnie Darko]

It was pretty lame. I thought the only good part was when Snitsky (god he is a lame douche) slammed jericho's back into the ring post you could hear jericho yell "Aww f**k!" witou any censor or 3 sec. deley.


haha, damn, I love Jericho.

Did anyone see Survivor Series? Remember when Ric Flair came out during Triple-H's match? The ref was making him leave, and the whole time down the aisle, Flair was like "**** you! **** you! **** you!"

[dr. loomis]

TNA Victory Road - Quick Match Results

- X Divison Gauntlet Winner: Hector Garza
- Johnny B. Badd, Ron Killings, Empire Saint & Erik Watts def. Naturals, Kid Kash & Dallas
- Minis Match: Mascarita Sagrada def. Piratita Morgan
- Tag Titles: 3 Live Kru def. Team Canada to win the titles
- Trinity def. Jackie
- Monsters Ball: Monty Brown def. Raven and Abyss
- X Division Title: Petey Williams def. AJ Styles to retain
- Last Team Standing: AMW def. Triple X
- Heavyweight Title Ladder Match: Jeff Jarrett def. Jeff Hardy to retain


Also Billy Gunn has signed with TNA on this past friday

the name Billy Gunn is owned by the WWE so he will have to use a different ring-name

I've heard some talk about a no contest clause and TNA waiting to use him now how the hell is hardy gonna lose a ladder match to jarrett?!?!?! as far as ive seen, on tna, jarrett is becoming the hhh of tna. i hope to god that it doesnt happen that way. i like tna,even though i always forget to watch it. the biggest mistake they can make is to start copying wwe.

[dr. loomis]

i am glad billy gunn got an oppertunity to further his career after wwe. i would like to see him team back with road dogg. not as the new age outlaws, but as something different. i really liked them as a team.

[3dman27]

It wasn't that good.Actually it was kinda lame.Only good part was Christian even tho he did't do much:D
yeah sometimes the pre ppv rae or smacdown IS kindof lame you'd think thwwe would want it just the opposite :hyper: :hyper:

[3dman27]

TNA Victory Road - Quick Match Results

- X Divison Gauntlet Winner: Hector Garza
- Johnny B. Badd, Ron Killings, Empire Saint & Erik Watts def. Naturals, Kid Kash & Dallas
- Minis Match: Mascarita Sagrada def. Piratita Morgan
- Tag Titles: 3 Live Kru def. Team Canada to win the titles
- Trinity def. Jackie
- Monsters Ball: Monty Brown def. Raven and Abyss
- X Division Title: Petey Williams def. AJ Styles to retain
- Last Team Standing: AMW def. Triple X
- Heavyweight Title Ladder Match: Jeff Jarrett def. Jeff Hardy to retain


Also Billy Gunn has signed with TNA on this past friday

the name Billy Gunn is owned by the WWE so he will have to use a different ring-name

I've heard some talk about a no contest clause and TNA waiting to use him
spaking of names how can jeff hardy use that name in tna doesn't the wwe own the rights to it? and whats a no contest clause?

[Jason Blood]

Jeff Hardy is his real name

[Jason Blood]

now how the hell is hardy gonna lose a ladder match to jarrett?!?!?! as far as ive seen, on tna, jarrett is becoming the hhh of tna. i hope to god that it doesnt happen that way. i like tna,even though i always forget to watch it. the biggest mistake they can make is to start copying wwe.

THE Outsiders helped Jarrett

[Docker2.0]

in re the release of nidia

i watched her and victoria wrestle the team of molly holly and jazz[replacing the originally scheduled gail kim,who was ALSO released my question is if nidia was released and NO LONGER WORKING FOR THE WWE why was she wrestling on heat?
Gail Kim was released? I think she was fine and was also used wrong. She was basically Molly's sidekick, which was stupid. WWE is starting to become unbearable. I watch some of it but can't watch all of it. There are some horrible actors on there and it always seem to revolve around HHH. Everyone knows he is screwing the president's daughter but give the belt to someone else and let it go around a new talent(Randy Orton).

[3dman27]

Jeff Hardy is his real name
i had a hunch that might be the case


can anyone give me this weeks smackdown results?:hyper:

[GuardianofOa]

3dMan- lordsofpain.net. Ok, I feel I need to rant for a moment, since we all do and at one point, have on these boards!

RAW: This show has gotten so f'n terrible lately. Hardly any matches, and when there are, they suck donkey. I can't stand the way they use their talent nowadays. HHH needs to drop the title, don;t get me wrong, I like Hunter, but want a new face with the belt. Why couldn't Orton have kept it. He would have made a decent champ. He had it for what, 3 weeks? Whoopie! And what pisses me off about that title thing is that no new faces are entered. What about Edge (as much as I dislike him), Jericho needs to get back in it, Kane (who never actually held that belt, but deserves it), and a slew of others. Benoit has become boring and stale, as with HHH.

Poor Batista- He has great potential, and big deal if he isn't a great technical wrestler, he has POTENTIAL. But, we'll never know cuz every time he gets into that ring, he gets beat on by little dudes every time and he is made to look really weak. WTF!? Poor Batista.

Womens Title- Strip Trish. No belt for the chicks cuz it all goes back to Trish. No prob, she has improved over the years and has become a decent, solid wrestler. But she has no competition. Gail Kim was hyped but she *****s up moves, constantly. Kiebler, please. Jazz? Only real contender for Trish. Victoria has also improved. Good for her. But lets get some *****in talent, please!

Superstars-
HHH- Drop the belt
Orton- Future
Flair- Retire
Rosey-Leave Hurricane and become the IC champ that u could be
Christian- Keep searchin for gold
Tyson Tomko- Fire him-sux balls
Rhyno/ Tajiri- Greatness, what happened?


SMACKDOWN:

What happened to the cruiserweight title? Spike has it? Why? Why I ask!? Why doesn't London hold it? Or, when he was there, Spanky or Akio? Pure talent not being used by WWE as usual! Remember WCW? And they had actualy matches every night where the Cruiserweights carried the show? But you wanted to see them! What happened to 6-man tags and four way dances for the belt. Rey is overrated nowadays IMO. Rey used to be the man. Had good angles. Oh wait, he got his mask back and became mister low-midcard. Whee! I love Spike to death but really, he should be kickin a$$ not holdin belts. Unless it's the US, j/k. Chavo, was great, now only works the mat. What happened? London=greatness. What happened I say? I want high-flying, tilt-a-whirl cruiserweight action.

US Title-
Cena sux now. period. He used to be really good then let the damn sheep that are fans get to him. Mister Rap Star! Whoo! ***** that! lets get back to the Prototype gimmick or somethin. Screw rappin cuz the white boy gangsta thing= old and horrid. Carlito Cool!? Who? ***** him. Comes in 2 shows and is the champ, like they always do. Bull*****. Who else is in the running for the US? Oh wait, nobody. What about RVD? always getting overshadowed. His work has gotten really shotty and crappy since WWE. You know why? Cuz he isn't used properly so he doesn't give a hoot. RVD is doing nothing to advance his career. Give Orlando Jordan a shot..hell, even Stamboli.

Superstars-
Holly- Fire him
JBL- genius
Dudleys- I feel sorry for them
Eddie- Retire
Big Show- Next Champ
Booker T- Not used properly
Undertaker- Give him the belt one more time and then let him go.


Bring back Dreamer for *****s sake. What the hell happened to him? He got screwed. Bring back Mike Awesome, no matter what gimmick, he was *****in bad ass and those who watched ECW know he was bad ass!!!!!!!! (really p*ssed right now). WWE just plain sux but it's all we have.

TNA- great *****in wrestling. Drop Monty Brown and Jeff hardy and u have a real show. Hardy sux balls. always had....team Extreme, more like, I stole everything from everyone else.

AJ Styles- true Future of wrestling and everyone should live up to those standards. Impressin people day in and out and always a show stopper.

Dusty Rhodes, always makes me laugh
Piper- What?
Hall and Nash- Give it up unless you can be serious.
Jarret- I have no comment on him. He makes me sick though.

So, I should finish with this:
Vince Russo and Paul Heyman= greatest wrestling minds ever! EVER! Oh, and long live Sugar Shane Helms ******es!(He is the man, and he is underrated as well, send him to Smackdown and give him the cruiser or keep him on raw and give him the IC. he can take on jericho/Christian. Jeezus!)

Thanks for reading if you did. But, wrestling is dead and WWE must be stopped like Bush dammit. Sorry for bringin politics into this but it is the only comparison. We as fans need variety and WWE gives none. Later.

[3dman27]

what about molly holly?

[The Ghoul]

Booker T- Not used properly.

What the hell are you talking about. Hegot a propor face turn & is the #1 contender. & he just might win at this rate. That I think is used proporlly... In fact, that is basiclly kissing his ass.

[The Batman]

The part about Taker is actually true. His gimmick is one of those gimmicks that only one person could do,but when a second person comes along and tries the gimmick,they just earn a nametag called ''ripoff''

But I think Kane could come close to maybe just reminding people of The Undertaker.It's just he's constantly screwed by people like Triple H who really have no talent.


I think Taker could be replaced, actually.

Taker basically created the "Dark, Weird guy" gimmick, except unlike everyone else who acts satanic and has some generic hard rock music, Taker's more supernatural. But Taker's character could be replaced

[Jason Blood]

I've got some "spoilers" about a superstar's injury

Carlito Cool was injured by Hardcore Holly not too long ago in a house show and is expected to work this sunday for Survivor Series
Carlito is then expected to get surgery shortly after the PPV and then he should be out for around three months! (we should expect a new US champ soon)

[3dman27]

I've got some "spoilers" about a superstar's injury

Carlito Cool was injured by Hardcore Holly not too long ago in a house show and is expected to work this sunday for Survivor Series
Carlito is then expected to get surgery shortly after the PPV and then he should be out for around three months! (we should expect a new US champ soon)
thanks

[dr. loomis]

I've got some "spoilers" about a superstar's injury

Carlito Cool was injured by Hardcore Holly not too long ago in a house show and is expected to work this sunday for Survivor Series
Carlito is then expected to get surgery shortly after the PPV and then he should be out for around three months! (we should expect a new US champ soon)good! he got the title way too fast. i know cena had to drop it for other reasons,but to a newcomer?! thats not "COOL" :bomb:

[dr. loomis]

my thoughts on taker are as follows: he more than paid his dues. i feel he is gonna retire soon. he came back as the dead man, taunted kane in the cross-brand fued. this "darkest, evilest" badass creature of the night cant defeat jbl for the title?!?! it doesnt make any since. it makes the charecter unbelievable. now i know its all acting, but give the charecter the believable setting so i can fool myself and enjoy the shows. i want to get lost in the storylines for 2 hours. however, i am constantly criticizing stuff like this while i watch,making the experience less joyful. and as far as hhh, i really dont have to say anything about that. he as well paid his dues,but these title reigns have become more than surreal. give taker a title run before he retires, and give orton or even batista the raw belt. 'quote a real dead man';" enough is enough, and its time for a change!"

[Donnie Darko]

I say that a face needs to get the Raw belt and hold it for a while. It could be Orton or Jericho. Then, after the face has the belt for a while, establish a feud with Edge and let the face drop the belt to Edge. BUT I do not want either title reign to be like a one-month deal. I hate those and think they devalue the belt (much like HHH's number of title reigns has). Seriously, if I was in control of WWE, I would make it so HHH NEVER broke Flair's record. I would go so far as making him drop the belt to Flair to keep that from happening. HHH has been an entertaining character for much of his career, but his ring skills suck.

ps- What's up with HBK's injury?

[Donnie Darko]

DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!

I really wanted to see Tazz in the ring! I should've known it was too good to be true. Man, Tazz was so misused by the WWE when he was wrestling (even though he was the first to ever beat Angle).

[Jason Blood]

it looks like JBL just opened a retirement "scenario" if he loses this sunday

I'm expecting Booker to job to JBL to make him look better (building him up as a champ) to see him lose his title to someone else later (Angle perhaps)

this could also just as easily give JBL a window to retire and get back to his financial advisor job and end his career being a very nice WWE title run

[Donnie Darko]

so, that whole financial advisor thing is true?

[John Constantine]

Yep. He was on tv way before the whole JBL thing.

This whole "retirement" thing made it seem like JBL might squeak off the victory this weekend. But I wouldn't be surprised if they actually had Booker T win the title and JBL just leaves the WWE for a while. This can also give Orlando Jordan a chance to break out for himself.

Oh, and is it just me, or is it very obvious that Evolution is totally gonna win this Sunday? :confused:

[Donnie Darko]

While an Evolution win is great for Batista and Edge, it really sucks that those other two would also win.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, I know. But there's like no way that Triple H will allow Orton's team to win. Especially after the weeks and weeks of humiliation Trips suffered. I mean with Triple H, he always gets the last laugh. It's been like that since the roster split. I just have that feeling he'll get the last laugh in Survivor Series as well.

[The Batman]

I'm pissed they didnt show Taker whoop heidenreichs ass.....

[Jason Blood]

on a random note

I was just looking on a wrestling site I frequent to help make movelists for various CAWs and I saw a picture of Kenzo's wife (Hiroko) and she looks a million times better without her geisha makeup

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/h/hirokosuzuki/02.jpg

I'm simply shocked how the WWE could do this

[The Batman]

yeah, she's a cutie.

What CAW's were you lookin for?

[3dman27]

on a random note

I was just looking on a wrestling site I frequent to help make movelists for various CAWs and I saw a picture of Kenzo's wife (Hiroko) and she looks a million times better without her geisha makeup

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/h/hirokosuzuki/02.jpg

I'm simply shocked how the WWE could do this
yes the gentleman has taste

[3dman27]

time again for me to ask the most important question regarding the wwe's ppvs what do you think/hope the results will be?
me i hope jbl looses the belt
,lita kicks trish's stratus gains the belt
eddies team lies cheats and ateals a vicory same for ortons team

[Jason Blood]

yeah, she's a cutie.

What CAW's were you lookin for?

I was looking up moves for various people I've made (Raven, Abyss, and some others)

I'm not going to make any more until I get SVR (I just found out the movelist is so much better than the GC games)

[The Batman]

oh.

The Raven Effect sucks in the SD games.

[Donnie Darko]

time again for me to ask the most important question regarding the wwe's ppvs what do you think/hope the results will be?
me i hope jbl looses the belt
,lita kicks trish's stratus gains the belt
eddies team lies cheats and ateals a vicory same for ortons team


hmmm...

I hope Undertaker puts Heidenreich in a tombstone piledriver that breaks his neck, ending his career forever.

I hope Randy Orton puts Gene Snitsky in an RKO that breaks his neck, ending his career forever.

[OtepApe]

time again for me to ask the most important question regarding the wwe's ppvs what do you think/hope the results will be?
me i hope jbl looses the belt
,lita kicks trish's stratus gains the belt
eddies team lies cheats and ateals a vicory same for ortons team

Team Angle vs Team Eddie-Team Angle
JBL vs Booker T-JBL (I hope Booker T wins though)
Undertaker vs Heidenreich-Undertaker
Lita vs Trish-Trish
Benjamin vs Christian-Christian
Team HHH vs team Orton-Team HHH (I hope team Orton wins though)

[Pink Ranger]

Why are wrestlers so hot?

Christian
Triple H
Randy Orton
Val Venis
Batista
Carlito
Rene Dupree
John Cena
Mark Jindrak

god damn, I bet they have small weiners though.

For the most part yes, except for Christian and John.

Um, I mean, uh, I have no idea at all . . .

[The Batman]

uh......o..k......

[John Constantine]

time again for me to ask the most important question regarding the wwe's ppvs what do you think/hope the results will be?
me i hope jbl looses the belt
,lita kicks trish's stratus gains the belt
eddies team lies cheats and ateals a vicory same for ortons team

JBL-Booker T. I definitely want Booker T to win. This guy should've been champion months/years ago IMO. Plus, if JBL actually does "leave the WWE", this might give Orlando Jordan the chance to break out himself
Shelton-Christian. match really doesn't matter to me. Hope Shelton Benjamin wins though
Trish-Lita. Who gives a ****? Woman's division is practically dead anyways
UT-Heidenreich. Don't really give a **** about this match either
Team Guerrero-Team Angle. Team Guerrero will probably win this match. probably with John Cena beating Carlito. Or something like that. I wonder what they're gonna do with the US title now that Carlito's supposed to be out for 3 months :confused:
Team Orton-Evolution. Although I don't want it to, Evolution is definitely gonna win this. No doubt about it. Wouldn't be surprised as well if someone like Maven turned heel in this match. I guess we'll have to look forward to more Triple H stroking his ego sessions on Raw :mad: :(

[John Constantine]

Why are wrestlers so hot?

Christian
Triple H
Randy Orton
Val Venis
Batista
Carlito
Rene Dupree
John Cena
Mark Jindrak

god damn, I bet they have small weiners though.

Are you who I think you are? :eek:

[John Constantine]

Are you who I think you are? :eek:

I think so :eek:

:confused: :(

[John Constantine]

Well to get back on topic, I found these two pieces of articles that I found rather hysterical:

"While filming the upcoming commercial at Universal Studios on Wednesday for the Royal Rumble, several NWA-TNA employees including Jeremy Borash and David Sahadi visited the set since they tape Impact! one studio over, and were seen talking to guys like Rey Mysterio, "Y2J" Chris Jericho, and "The Crippler" Chris Benoit. While everything went all right between the two companies, Vince McMahon was reported as being very unhappy about the TNA presence there during the commercial filming.


Speaking of WWE & NWA-TNA talking to one another, current Raw superstars Val Venis & Rhyno were spotted hanging out with TNA's Team Canada at a local bar that a lot of the TNA superstars visit after they are finished with the Impact! tv tapings.

Credit: PWInsider.com"

"According to WrestlingObserver.com, the previously reported confrontation between TNA officials and WWE was more interesting than originally noted.

Former WWE production employee Dave Sahadi showed up and introduced Traci Brooks, who came out with cookies, and Abyss who brought out balloons as a "welcoming present." WWE officials obviously went ballistic over the situation.

Reportedly, WWE complained to the Universal Studios office and also threatened to sue TNA if any of the footage was used. TNA was talking about responding with a comical press release."



I actually find this **** not only funny, but pretty sad. First the WWE basically tells the Canadian network TSN to not air any episodes of Impact, now this.

[Go Web Go!]

Man, I haven't watched wrestling for almost a month now. I have been able to catch RAW a few times in the last month or so, but haven't watched it lately. I can't say the same for Smackdown, though. I have been reading the results, but reading the results isn't exactly the same as watching the show, so would you guys say that it's been on an upswing or has it continued to get worse? I did notice that Josh Matthews has wrestled a few matches. It's pretty sad that the announcers are getting more airtime than some wrestlers (lets not forget Cole's feud with Heidenreich.)

[Jason Blood]

oh.

The Raven Effect sucks in the SD games.

let me guess

it looks just like the regular DDT?

[Jason Blood]

I currently like to think that the WWE has been doing alot better with RAW since 1 year ago but they have declined a little with smackdown (it's picking back up thanks to Angle)

[John Constantine]

Yeah, Raw has been getting a bit better. But it's probably because it's been less about Evolution and more about the other wrestlers. It hasn't been the same thing we've been seeing for the past couple of years. However, all of the good things from the previous few weeks could very well be undone this Sunday....

[The Batman]

let me guess

it looks just like the regular DDT?

Its hard to describe


it looks like the raven Effect...except its stiff.

[The Batman]

They need to end the split Roster, IMO. but, guys like Benoit and Eddie wouldnt get pushes

[Jason Blood]

They need to end the split Roster, IMO. but, guys like Benoit and Eddie wouldnt get pushes

some people are beginning to think that the recent firings might be to end the split but it could be to hire new superstars

on an added note I'm not sure if you guys heard but a writer was fired along with the guy that played the APA's butler and the Cat's butler and Shaniqua (thank god)

NOTE the writer wrote crappy stuff

[The Ghoul]

That's awesome. Maybe Vince Russo leaving TNA maybe a sign of him coming back to WWE as a writer again.

[The Batman]

Are you serious? did you see what he did to WCW?

[dr. loomis]

Are you serious? did you see what he did to WCW?
yes! some people have respect for russo. i think he single handedly killed wcw. when i started seeing him every week on tna, i quit watching it. i cant stand his voice, i cant stand his charecter. why cant he just quietly kill off a company,stay backstage, and stay off my damn tv!!!!

[The Ghoul]

Agreed, he did kill WCW. But, that was because he was both writer & he ran the show. So all of his crazy ass ideas made it to tv. When Russo was on WWF, Vince Mcmahon was able to edit the things that were too rediculous. It was Russo's creativity & Mcmahon's common sence that made the shows so great.

[John Constantine]

yes! some people have respect for russo. i think he single handedly killed wcw. when i started seeing him every week on tna, i quit watching it. i cant stand his voice, i cant stand his charecter. why cant he just quietly kill off a company,stay backstage, and stay off my damn tv!!!!

He wasn't really the main reason why WCW got killed (I think the finger poke pin between Nash and Hogan was more responsible than that), but he was part of the reason why WCW went under. I still remember his supposed conclusion to the whole David Flair-Stacy Keibler pregnancy angle. Mr. Ego himself, Vince Russo was supposed to be the father of Stacy's child. And it was also supposed to be revealed that David Flair and Stacy were brother and sister, thus they committed incest.


Thank god, they never did that angle.

[Pink Ranger]

I still remember his supposed conclusion to the whole David Flair-Stacy Keibler pregnancy angle. Mr. Ego himself, Vince Russo was supposed to be the father of Stacy's child. And it was also supposed to be revealed that David Flair and Stacy were brother and sister, thus they committed incest.


Thank god, they never did that angle.

The WWE/WWF pretty much had that angle covered every time Vince McMahon and Stephanie would affectionately kiss each other ON THE LIPS!!! I'm not American, so this might be another one of your alien cultural mores, but I thought it was really weird.

[3dman27]

Trish-Lita. Who gives a ****? Woman's division is practically dead anyways
:(whats wrong with women wrestlers i'd rather watch them than evolution any day
btw anybody thing john cena mightA clear carlito of any wrongdoing in his"stabbing" saying he saw him leave before he[cena] came in or Bturn heel :hyper: :hyper:

[Jason Blood]

I don't understand why there are not tag-title matches tonight

Survivor Series looks to be a good PPV but I think they could have at least put something together

how about La Resistance V. Hurricane and Rosey or Tajiri and Rhyno
and for Smackdown Kenzo and Dupree V. ... okay Smackdown doesn't have anyone left that they could throw together:(

[Rainbowbrite]

I don't understand why there are not tag-title matches tonight

Survivor Series looks to be a good PPV but I think they could have at least put something together

how about La Resistance V. Hurricane and Rosey or Tajiri and Rhyno
and for Smackdown Kenzo and Dupree V. ... okay Smackdown doesn't have anyone left that they could throw together:(



i wanted to see that the raw mstch for the tag team and i wanted rosey and the hurricane to win i think the tag team division is destroyed they need to do something to make the matches marquee matches again cause they have been stale for the longest time

[Donnie Darko]

speaking of tag teams, remember back when there actually were good tag teams, and they weren't just two random people stuck together, but actual teams?

think back to the mid-90s in WCW...
Harlem Heat
Sting and Lex Luger
Steiner Bros
The Outsiders

[John Constantine]

The WWE/WWF pretty much had that angle covered every time Vince McMahon and Stephanie would affectionately kiss each other ON THE LIPS!!! I'm not American, so this might be another one of your alien cultural mores, but I thought it was really weird.

Yeah, that was definitely creepy as well. Or the time when Steph and Trips were gonna renew their vows. And Vince was actually checking his daughter out in her wedding dress. :eek:

Yikes....

[John Constantine]

speaking of tag teams, remember back when there actually were good tag teams, and they weren't just two random people stuck together, but actual teams?

think back to the mid-90s in WCW...
Harlem Heat
Sting and Lex Luger
Steiner Bros
The Outsiders

Well on Raw, I actually like some of the random people they stuck together. Like Hurricane and Rosey(superhero and his "sidekick"), Rhyno and Tajiri(I remember these two teaming up back in the ECW days with Steve Corino, very kickass.), and even Eugene and William Regal (Eugene may not be as over right now, but sticking him in the tag team division right now at least keeps him away from hogging up the singles division like he did over the summer). All three of these teams can be tag team champions IMO. But who gets to hold the title month after month? La ****ing Resistance. No wonder the tag team division on the show is kinda weak right now.

[Jason Blood]

The Hurricane and Rosey are teaming up against La Resistance tonight during Heat

it has not been said if it is a title match

[Donnie Darko]

seriously, the BEST tag team on EITHER show (and one of the most entertaining tag teams of ALL TIME)- The Dudley Boys- don't hold a tag belt... that's weird.

Does anyone remember the time at an ECW ppv when Taz was supposed to defended the title against Bubba Ray Dudley? That match was sweet.

[Sabretooth]

Can someone give me the results so far of Survivor Series?

[Donnie Darko]

yeah, I was waiting for that, too

[John Constantine]

Results so far:

Spike won the cruiserweight four-way match
Shelton Benjamin beat Christian
Team Guerrero beats Team Angle. Beginning of match, Carlito runs away from Cena and drives out of the arena. Good way for him not to fight methinks. Theodore Long books a Cena vs. Carlito match
Undertaker beat Heidenreich
Backstage, Maven got beat up by Gene ****sky. May not be able to participate in SS match
Lita totally beat up Trish. Got disqualified. Trish got busted wide open.
JBL beat Booker T :mad:

[Sabretooth]

NO Booker should've won. :mad:

[John Constantine]

Holy ****. Call me surprised.

Team Orton actually won :eek:

[Sabretooth]

Team Orton won?



HOW???:eek:

[0 Degrees]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

[Donnie Darko]

nice

need more info

Also, I love Booker T, but I'm fine with JBL winning because it furthers his legitimacy as champ.

[3dman27]

Results so far:


Lita totally beat up Trish. Got disqualified. Trish got busted wide open.
i had a hunch this" marrying kane and losing thier baby"buisness would bring out HEEL LITA :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

[OtepApe]

I gotta say I was surprised with the Survivor Series results. I didn't think team Orton or team Eddie would win, nice to see it though.

[ardnealy]

To me survivor series was a let down, the only match that made it a let down was Booker T vs JBL. It was a good match but Booker did all the work, so why is JBL still champ?

[Booker T]

I have to agree. JBL has held the title for a while now, and although he's reinvented himself I still can't take him seriously as the champ. (He'd make a great US champ though). I thought it would be great for Booker T to take the title and go into a short feud with Kurt Angle. Other than that one match though, SS was pretty cool.

[OtepApe]

To me survivor series was a let down, the only match that made it a let down was Booker T vs JBL. It was a good match but Booker did all the work, so why is JBL still champ?

because that's classic heel booking, the face does the work and the heel wins the match. I really like how they've built up JBL, I couldn't stand the guy and I still can't but that's how it's worked. In the past few years, heel champs have been cool evil but JBL has got the crowd actually hating him and IMO that's the work of a good heel.

[Sabretooth]

Edge And Christian Will Reunite!!!!!!!

[dr. loomis]

Edge And Christian Will Reunite!!!!!!!
wonder if they can still be a good team.

[Sabretooth]

Ugh,is anyone else sick of the censors on SpikeTV? I mean I thought the name of it was ''First Network For Men'' not ''Let's censor this for the little kiddies!''

I am of course referring to how they immediately changed the screen to what the match was going to be while Edge flipped off the camera.:o

[JINoside]

The tajiri vs Eugene part of the 3 way tag match was pretty cool. Pretty technical to. It kinda reminded me of ECW the way they would flip around the pins. To bad Eugene and William Regal won. I was kinda hoping for Tajiri and Rhyno to win. They always get a chance at the title but they get screwed over.......

[Donnie Darko]

where has MAven been for so long? I love having him back

[GLfan]

I wonder if Christian will turn face now that he and Edge sucked as a team. And Edge being bitter about not getting a world title shot.

[3dman27]

i wonder how maven would do as a FULL TIME GM?

[Spider-Nerd]

christian turning face would ruin a great heel on RAW, and there's a serious lack of good heels on RAW. For god's sake, push Christian.:mad:

[John Constantine]

It was pretty cool to see Edge and Christian reuniting. Albeit for the last time :( But I really am digging Edge now as a heel. Loved his "5 second pose" :D

And anybody else getting a vibe that Batista is probably gonna be turning on Triple H anytime now? :confused: Could Evolution be ending by the end of the four weeks? :confused:

[dr. loomis]

It was pretty cool to see Edge and Christian reuniting. Albeit for the last time :( But I really am digging Edge now as a heel. Loved his "5 second pose" :D

And anybody else getting a vibe that Batista is probably gonna be turning on Triple H anytime now? :confused: Could Evolution be ending by the end of the four weeks? :confused:i think edge and christian will both stay heels. they prolly made edge do what he did on raw so you wouldnt expect a e&c reunion. i bet orton will have the last week of them being in charge, and we will expect him to give himself a shot, but he technacally cant fight hhh,so he will put hhh against batista. i wouldnt mind seeing that,expecially if they let batista win. :bomb:

[dr. loomis]

i wonder how maven would do as a FULL TIME GM?
that might be cool. but bischoff as a face/fair g.m would also be cool.

[John Constantine]

i think edge and christian will both stay heels. they prolly made edge do what he did on raw so you wouldnt expect a e&c reunion. i bet orton will have the last week of them being in charge, and we will expect him to give himself a shot, but he technacally cant fight hhh,so he will put hhh against batista. i wouldnt mind seeing that,expecially if they let batista win. :bomb:

Yeah, I was thinking that either. But I don't think Batista's gonna win the title. It'll probably be that Triple H will tell Batista to lie down and let him win easily. Batista refuses, and bam! instant face turn as well as the dissolution of Evolution.

[3dman27]

It was pretty cool to see Edge and Christian reuniting. Albeit for the last time :( But I really am digging Edge now as a heel. Loved his "5 second pose" :D

And anybody else getting a vibe that Batista is probably gonna be turning on Triple H anytime now? :confused: Could Evolution be ending by the end of the four weeks? :confused:
letsHOPE SO :hyper:

[Donnie Darko]

I really don't see Batista winning the title just yet, but it would be sweet.

[3dman27]

whe you watched the molly-lita march last monday did anyone notice with short hair molly resembles alysa milano from charmed?

[The Batman]

Smackdown Spoilers


* They've brung back three of the diva search contest finalists. WTF?! What was the point? They should've just hired them all if they wanted them that badly.

* A fatal four way match between JBL, Eddie Guerrero, Booker T, and.........THE UNDERTAKER!!!!!!

Those were the only things i had to comment about. Taker being in a new title storyline means we'll see him more. YES!

oh yeah, apparently WWE has a new rule: You have to be 6 feet tall and 225 pounds. "The Taller and bigger, the better" Apparently, WWE havent learned crap. guys like Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, and Kurt Angle will be replaced with Heidenreichs and Snitkskys. And no cruiserweights either

[John Constantine]

It's been that way like...forever. Vince always, always loves the big, dumb guys: From Diesel and Sid Vicious to the Heidenreichs of today. Sure there's always gonna be some "smaller" wrestlers breaking out every now and then, but the large wrestlers will always dominate the WWF/E.

And it's not just the diva contestants as well, it's been rumored that the 7 Tough Enough finalists are all gonna get OVW contracts no matter what. And with the actual Tough Enough winner actually going down to OVW as well for a bit of training, the contest is now nothing more than to win a million dollars.

[Donnie Darko]

I bet the final two will be the UFC guy and The Miz.

[3dman27]

did anyone read the raw results for this week at www.lordsofpain.net thr reference to hhh liking christy hemming what are the odss there's gonna be a steph-chrisy feud?

[The Ghoul]

I doubt it. They may be married for real, but the story still stands that they are divorced on screen. So, it just doesn't seem like they can come up with a reasonable build for a story like that.

[Jason Blood]

everyone go to WWE.com and check out Byte This!

Paul Heyman tells it like it is

Nuff' Said

[Jason Blood]

lol did anyone else see Rey horribly screw up that stretch?

I'm kinda surprised because it's so easy to do

[Jason Blood]

it looks like they signed most of the divas from the talent search

-_-

[Pink Ranger]

it looks like they signed most of the divas from the talent search


Well, at least they're saving money by hiring women who'll work for crack, cigarettes and diet pills.

[3dman27]

I doubt it. They may be married for real, but the story still stands that they are divorced on screen. So, it just doesn't seem like they can come up with a reasonable build for a story like that.
steph wants to make hhh's life miserable ,[as does 98%of the raw locker room] so once she gets wind of hhh's interest she'll sart tangling with christy just to get at him through her

[Donnie Darko]

hey, does anyone know how much TNA ppvs cost?

[Andrew]

Can anyone tell me when Kane will be returning? Or even, tell me what's going on with him?

[The Ghoul]

Well, at least they're saving money by hiring women who'll work for crack, cigarettes and diet pills.

Holy ****! I think we all need to stop think & applaud you. That is the best ****ing line i heard all day.

[Jason Blood]

Can anyone tell me when Kane will be returning? Or even, tell me what's going on with him?

Kane is currently out shooting a horror movie called "The Eye Scream Man"

I hear it has nothing to do with icecream

[Jason Blood]

hey, does anyone know how much TNA ppvs cost?


I'm pretty sure the prices are up to around 30 dollars since they have semi monthly ppvs now

check www.nwatna.com

[The Ghoul]

Kane is currently out shooting a horror movie called "The Eye Scream Man"

I hear it has nothing to do with icecream

I garantee when he is done filming he will come back as a monster heel with Lita accualy supporting him at his side & yet another fued with ****sky, with his character being another carless monster with a vengence.


... Or get this, it isn't a good concept but WWE would do it. He returns around the time Matt is 100% & they team up in a fued against ****sky. Matt's reason is that he cares about Lita so much that when he saw what ****sky did he thought he should save his fued with Kane to get at ****sky

... Or the good one. Matt returns & so does Kane but they fued as well as matt & ****sky & Kane & ****sky in a triple threat match

(yes I will continue to call gene snitsky, queen ****sky)

[Jason Blood]

USA Network To Bid On WWE TV Return
Submitted By Wade Needham
Date: 11/19/04 | Time: 11:33 AM [Pacific Time]

Credit: 1Wrestling.com

In what is good news for WWE, Spike TV will have to bid to keep WWE TV programming when their current agreement expires. WWE's former cable TV home, USA Network, is still interested in carrying WWE RAW and other WWE programming...

USA to Slap New Brand on Channel

Fri Nov 19, 3:36 AM ET Entertainment - Reuters TV

By Andrew Wallenstein

NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - USA Network, the last of the general entertainment cable channels to establish a clear brand image, is embarking on the biggest makeover in its 27-year history.

While stopping short of deeming the multimillion-dollar effort a rebranding, the NBC Universal-owned channel intends to refine every aspect of its image in time for a fresh wave of original programing next June. The campaign will extend from USA's logo and tagline to its on-air look and feel and its marketing.

The overhaul is unusual given that channels typically put themselves under the microscope when they are slumping. But USA is putting up its strongest ratings in years thanks to a mix of original series like "The 4400" and syndicated powerhouses like "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit." USA is available in 88 million homes.

Distilling the essence of USA will be doubly difficult not only because the channel's elements are so disparate -- ranging from scripted crime shows like "Monk" to a reality music competition like "Nashville Star" to U.S. Open (news - web sites) tennis coverage -- but because the network is a potential candidate to lure two of cable's most coveted franchises in the near future: the Sunday night NFL game currently on ESPN and World Wrestling Entertainment's "Raw" on Spike TV.

Walt Disney Co. is still in negotiations to retain the rights to its Sunday and Monday night games, and NBC Universal has emerged as a challenger for the ABC/ESPN package. Viacom's Spike TV is trying to bring back "Raw," but WWE is also talking to other suitors including NBC Universal.

USA's programing mix will also reap the benefits of its association with corporate sibling NBC, ranging from a greater share of future Olympic events to recycled product. NBC has quietly run its reality series "The Biggest Loser" on USA for the past month.

"All that stuff is on our radar," said Chris McCumber, USA's senior vp marketing and brand strategy, who will oversee the makeover. "Any good brand project takes into account where you will be five, 10, 15 years from now."

USA has done little in recent years to lodge its brand in viewers' minds. Its logo has been altered several times and the network heralded its commitment to original programing with the tagline "Cure for the common show."

"I think the mistake that's been made with this channel over the years is all of the branding efforts have described the programing that they've had," McCumber said. "That's fine for a short period of time."

USA hopes to have a newly established brand in place by the summer when primetime series including "Monk" and "The Dead Zone" are expected to return. But while those hits have kept USA humming, the network has also met more recent disappointments in other series launches including "Touching Evil," "Thoughtcrimes" and "Frankenstein."

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

Credit goes to Wade Needham and www.world-wrestling.net

[Pink Ranger]

^ Good, now Conan O'Brien can get a WWE lever.

[Jason Blood]

^ Good, now Conan O'Brien can get a WWE lever.

It can never be as good:(

[John Constantine]

Actually I was told by someone that in one episode on Raw, Snitsky was talking to someone saying his mission was done. I don't remember watching that part, but that person said that actually happened :confused:

Could that person be Matt Hardy trying to get his revenge on Lita and Kane. Plus, let's face it, as soon as Kane comes back from filming his movie, the fans will pop for him. He'll most definitely be a face when he gets back. So, maybe instead it'll be like Kane/Lita versus the heel tandem of Matt/Snitsky? :confused:

[Punisher 04]

Outsiders are back!!! TOO SWEEEEEEEEEEET!http://outsidersedge.8m.com/cgi-bin/i/outsiders/2.jpg

[Andrew]

Kane is currently out shooting a horror movie called "The Eye Scream Man"

I hear it has nothing to do with icecream

How true is the claim that this is a cover up? Because I read that this was just a cover up for Kane leaving :( But I like Kane :up: He cant leave.

[Jason Blood]

How true is the claim that this is a cover up? Because I read that this was just a cover up for Kane leaving :( But I like Kane :up: He cant leave.

if you don't believe me Cena is out filming "The Marine"

did anyone else notice how they were "injured" by new stars?


this is 100% true

Kane is filming a movie

[Andrew]

I need help with SvR! How do you defend your created belt in a match?

[Andrew]

if you don't believe me Cena is out filming "The Marine"

did anyone else notice how they were "injured" by new stars?


this is 100% true

Kane is filming a movie

That's fine then :) I'd be kinda sick if Kane went for good :(

While were on the topic of Kane...I wish he got the championship again.

[Jason Blood]

just to clarify on Johnny B. Badd (I mentioned him before) in TNA (he is Marc Mero)

he looks really young for his age! and he is in very good shape too

TNA is looking very very good right now with Randy Savage, DDP, Nash, Hall, Hardy, Johnny B. Badd, Raven, and many other stars

[The Ghoul]

He does look really good for his age... a little too tan but whatever.

[Jason Blood]

what exactly is his finisher (the TKO)?

4,500 posts!

[Jason Blood]

it looks like Viscera has signed a deal with the WWE

he beat a jobber tonight on Heat with his Finisher "The Embalmer" (the Baldo Bomb (Albert's powerbomb)/Hangman's Bomb)

[The Ghoul]

what exactly is his finisher (the TKO)?

4,500 posts!

Yeah. Oddly enough he didn't change the title. I think he should of though, because TKO fit the whole boxer gimmick.

[JINoside]

it looks like Viscera has signed a deal with the WWE

he beat a jobber tonight on Heat with his Finisher "The Embalmer" (the Baldo Bomb (Albert's powerbomb)/Hangman's Bomb)

I like that move. I think its a cool move. What else happened on Heat?. Specificaly, The Batista vs. Val match?.....

[Donnie Darko]

just to clarify on Johnny B. Badd (I mentioned him before) in TNA (he is Marc Mero)

he looks really young for his age! and he is in very good shape too

TNA is looking very very good right now with Randy Savage, DDP, Nash, Hall, Hardy, Johnny B. Badd, Raven, and many other stars

yeah, I didn't even know when TNA came on tv. I finally got to watch it Friday for like the second time ever. It looked really good. There is such a great talent roster. Sure, some of the guys are old, but that doesn't matter. I love Jarrett. Also, the Macho Man is back in action! Plus, A.J. Styles... damn.

[Jason Blood]

They did a parody of the recent sports scandals (the fight and the NFL thing)

LMAO!!!

[The Batman]

yeah, it was funny as hell.

"Shelton...you do know you're an African American?"

now, if only this were 1998, everyone would be talking about it the next day.

[Sabretooth]

God I'll be pissed if Batista doesn't turn away from HHH and Evolution


On a side note: I cannot stand Christian's new music,his old intro ruled.:o

[Jason Blood]

he didn't!

Christian's music is decent I really liked his old music

it looks like Tomko is using it currently

[3dman27]

They did a parody of the recent sports scandals (the fight and the NFL thing)

LMAO!!!
i watched my tape of raw and duidn't see anything i saw that takeoff on the desparate housewives- footbal screwup though

[John Constantine]

Interesting bit of news:

"As the wrestling news week opens, the first big item that is surfacing on many websites regards a potential "shoot" situation between Hardcore Holly and Rene Dupree.

In the match that featured Suzuki/Dupree vs. Hardcore Holly/Charlie Haas, Holly apparently hit Dupree with an extremely stiff chairshot and followed up with some legitimate punches. Fans who were in the arena claim that Dupree had some swelling and indications of injury around his eye.

There is also a rumor that the fight continued in the backstage area.

This website hopes to have more information as the week unfolds."


Why is Hardcore Holly still in the WWE? This guy should've been released back when the WWE did it's huge purge. The guy's nothing more than a pure *******. Plain and simple. I still remember that segment of Tough Enough when he totally went to town on one of the contestants out of nowhere.

[Sabretooth]

Hardcore is a *****. He couldn't wrestle his way out of a paper bag either,I feel sorry for Dupree and I hope he kicks his ass.

[Jason Blood]

it's been said that Dupree got a ticket in Holly's rental car but Holly's actions were way too extreme for such a thing

Holly probably decided to do this during a match so he could possibly avoid assault charges

[3dman27]

will smackdown have anything on the dawn marie -miss jackie feud this week? i read on www.lordsofpain.net that torrie wilson got into a catfight with suzuki's wife i wonder if that part will be aired? :hyper: :hyper:

[DOG LIPS]

yeah, it was funny as hell.

"Shelton...you do know you're an African American?"

now, if only this were 1998, everyone would be talking about it the next day.


At first I wasn't paying enough attention, so I had no idea what was going on... but once i got it I was laughing, especially when he talked about wrasslers going crazy and running into the stands to fight fans.

[Jason Blood]

I just saw this commercial for a wrestling game called Rumble Roses and the Hardy's old theme is playing during the commercial!

[Jason Blood]

I found this at www.world-wrestling.net

Major Holly-Dupree Update: Wrestlers React
Date Published: 11/24/04 | Time: 7:24 PM [Pacific Time]

Credit: PWinsider.com

Apparently, Bob Holly heard that Renee Dupree was out of a ride, and Bob decided to save Dupree a taxi fare and let Dupree take his rental car. Dupree got a ticket while using Bob's car, and just threw it away. This lead to a number of problems with Bob Holly, legally and with his insurance. When Dupree was asked about the ticket, Dupree just shrugged it off and laughed about it. Basically, Dupree screwed over Holly with his insurance records.

Dupree has a lot of heat backstage, and is a "stooge" to management, that rats out people when they do something that management may not like. Most backstage blame Renee Dupree for several of the recent firings, including the firing of Billy Gunn, who is close friends with Bob Holly. Dupree is described as "aggravating to be around", and a "babbling idiot". Dupree's attitude is said to be very disrespectful towards Holly, and several others backstage.

[Jason Blood]

yet another article I found from www.world-wrestling.net

Holly fined $10,000?
Date Published: 11/25/04 | Time: 11:26 AM [Pacific Time]

Credit - 1wrestling.com

The WWE is trying to get the word out that Hardcore Holly was fined $10,000 for his actions against Rene Dupree. Many inside sources aren't buying that at all. The only obvious punishment was Hardcore Holly jobbing in a dark match at Tuesday's SmackDown tapings.

The impression that some of the wrestlers are getting is that if the WWE wanted to lay down the law and have the message sent across the WWE locker room. They could have done it by taking serious actions against Holly, but so far, they failed to do so. Of course that's if the $10,000 fine turns out to be false as we're speculating.

I'm beginning to be more sympathetic towards Holly the more I hear about it

[Jason Blood]

holy crap!

I just saw Dupree on Smackdown and the shiner he has if F'ing massive

Holly beat his ass!

[dr. loomis]

that big show thanksgiving was pretty stale. i would have liked if he brought out kurt angle tied up on a platter like a turkey.

[The Ghoul]

The whole show was stale. What ever happened to the gravy bowl diva fight. Those were always funny. And can someone please tell me... Why the **** are the diva contestant losers with contracts? If you lose & still get the prize it wasn't really a contest. I want WWE 24/7 at least with that I can watch wrestling from the good ol' days.

[GLfan]

that big show thanksgiving was pretty stale. i would have liked if he brought out kurt angle tied up on a platter like a turkey.That would have been funny to see. I thought it was pretty stale too, what I miss besides the gravybowl match is the Gobbley Gooker!!

[3dman27]

can someone please tell me... Why the **** are the diva contestant losers with contracts?
maybe the wwe saw potentiel [sp] in the loosers:daredevil :daredevil

[Jason Blood]

The money really was the prize

I don't care really about them being on Smackdown

they needed more valets

[Jason Blood]

anyone else notice how the WWE just dropped the CWs?

not a peep from Spike and the chavo/kidman feud wasn't even mentioned

[3dman27]

now that you mention it no i though they were off to make roon for that tough enough buisness
i hope they haven't fired the hurricane :daredevil

[John Constantine]

The money really was the prize


Yep, just like the prize for TE this time around is gonna be the million dollars as well.

So yeah, the whole contest is practically a waste now.

[Jason Blood]

I'm beginning to really not like Puder

he has that funny thing going with his mouth and I still don't like how he spazzed when wrestling Angle and almost made him tap

[The Batman]

yeah..he looks kinda deformed

[Jason Blood]

yeah..he looks kinda deformed

he isn't that big but he looks like a stooge to me

[Jason Blood]

I was watching some indy wrestling last night (some fed called Live Action Wrestling)

I used to watch a little of it and I would laugh because it was nothing more than corny and it kinda sucked because Rick Steiner and Buff Bagwell were the constant (well known) faces while some guy named Money Mike and Disco Inferno (w/ Jimmy Hart) were the heels

now its a lot better

their only good tag team broke up and one of them turned heel to join a stable with C.W. Anderson and DAVID FLAIR (I didn't even know he was still wrestling)

some guy named Crazy K was "banned" so they have him under a mask wrestling as "Que Loco" (he has this finisher called "the around the world DDT" and its pretty sweet)

I'm shocked that this is the same stuff I used to laugh at because of how corny it was

it's still low budget but its shaped up into a fine (I think its local) indy promotion

[Jason Blood]

also Lex Luger is going to be in a match against Buff Bagwell in december

and before I forget Lodi is appearing in it and he's dressing like Raven did in WCW and he even has a beard like Raven's

[The Ghoul]

I watch an indipendent compony on my local sports station called MXPW. It was ok but now it sucks because New Jack left & they have been playing the same episode for like 3 weeks because there have been very few shows latley. But it is pretty cool. They have as their top heel Dennis Knight (The artist formally known as Mideon) & he is The leader of the group called The Family with some douche named the punisher & The blackhearts who are a pretty big tag team on the indipendent circut.

[3dman27]

i had a thought last night about this weeks raw
if the entire locker room is going to face hhh in a championship battle royal is that match going to take up the entire show? or will they have divas matches for preliminaries if thats the case how will they do that will they have enough divas to use since nidia and gail kim have been fired? also in ehen i used the phrase " the entire locker room" i noticed that it sounds awkward do any other posters feel that way or is it just me?

[The Ghoul]

I think other people are having matches before hand, but very few & maybe a Highlight Reel to break time & for the last hour is the battle royal.

[Jason Blood]

I bet HHH will still be champ:(

I hope everyone throws him over the top first though

watching them deal with Viscera is going to be funny

[Donnie Darko]

The good thing about the battle royal is that HHH won't be able to get out of it, at least I'm assuming so. I would think that even if he tried to pull out, it would still be everyone else for the title.

[John Constantine]

Holy smokes, look at Paul Bearer :eek:

http://percypringle.com/Thanksgiving/Thanksgiving2004.html

[Donnie Darko]

random question- does anyone know whatever happened to WCW cruiserweights like Lenny Lane or Lash Leroux(sp)?

[John Constantine]

I remember seeing Lenny Lane on some of the old NWA-TNA episodes that are on over here. He played (surprise, surprise) a gay couple with Alan Funt/Qwee-wee from WCW. Most recently, I actually saw Lenny Lane wrestling in the WWE on Sunday Night Heat. Albeit as a jobber.

Lash Leroux I also saw in the inaugural NWA-TNA. He looked a tad overweight though...

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I just started watching Raw at about 9:35, what exactly happened with this battle royal? I thought it was supposed to be "the locker room" AND Triple-H in the ring.

[Donnie Darko]

ok, when did Maven turn heel?

[Jason Blood]

this makes me so mad

we were cheated out of the match that was promised and then EDGE WAS CHEATED OF THE TITLE

Edge obviously had the pinfall over Benoit but he's going to get screwed out of his long deserved title

the only other person that I want to see with the title is Matt Hardy

Benoit needs to be shipped over to Smackdown and have a nice heel turn but otherwise I can't stand his stale act

HHH needs to try and make it look like he can actually win a match

when was the last time you saw HHH in a match where he didn't cheat to win or get his ass kicked during an attempt to cheat

[Shifty]

what happened, I flipped once Edge got the three count.
Maven heel turn is late and will fail.

[Jason Blood]

the WWE was planning on putting Maven in Evolution during Batista's absence

I'm so angry right now it's hard for me to explain the events that occured

[Shifty]

If he joined Evolution then it would've worked, but not by smashin the reatard's head.

So HHH is still champ?

[John Constantine]

I don't think he is. :confused:

I bet next week it'll probably be Benoit vs. Edge for the championship....but by the end of the show, Triple H will be champion again. It sounds impossible, but with Triple H, you never know :confused:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I'm tired of HHH as champ. It seems like anyone who gets the belt only gets it for a short stint before it goes back to HHH. I know he's got a lot of stroke backstage but constantly having himself as champ is just getting old. I was hoping to see Orton pull something like "ok I can't have a shot at your title, so I'm going to give my shot to BATISTA". Even though that didn't happen I was still hoping to see Batista win the battle royal and completely destroy HHH.

Batista needs to leave Evolution (with the title)....they've been teasing at it for WAY too long. I also think Orton should get the chance to have a REAL title run and not that little "filler" stint he did. Anyone who has the title is basically just keeping it warm for HHH....it's sad.

[Shifty]

How many times have they done that with all the other titles? Triple H will probably want a Triple Threat Rematch, but end up getting a match against Jericho.Edge will win and then Orton will get the title right away setting up a Orton/HHH match at WrestleMania.

[3dman27]

the WWE was planning on putting Maven in Evolution during Batista's absence

I'm so angry right now it's hard for me to explain the events that occuredbatista's absence?? :hyper: :hyper:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I liked Benoit as champ. He sure as hell deserved it, and he brought a level of integrity to the belt that was severly lacking. I also think Jericho deserves a title run....a REAL title run, not that belt warmer run he had a few years back. He's been around for awhile and he's WAY over with the fans.

[Jason Blood]

batista's absence?? :hyper: :hyper:

Batista was injured and was out of Evolution for a little while

he made his return when he got the reward for "taking out" Goldberg

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So anyone else think we'll see Batista as champ by Summer '05?

JBL needs to drop that title too...give it to Booker T for God's sake. It's about time!

[John Constantine]

I really can't see Batista as champ by Summer 2005 to be honest. In all possibility, I bet that Orton will probably win the championship at WM 21. He'll hold it for a few months just so he can be seen as a viable main-eventer. Then he'll drop the title to you-know-who. It's basically a cyclical thing.

[Sabretooth]

WTF was Vince thinking? The fans got cheated out of a match that could've been gold but HHH was too much of a pussy that he needed to cheat Edge out of getting the title that he DESERVES.

[GLfan]

It looked to me that both Benoit's shoulders were clearly down for the three count. I never noticed Edge tapping out. Edge got screwed out of the title, now he's really going to be bitter.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Edge tapped out and Benoit got pinned....they should just do an Edge VS Benoit match on RAW to decide the new champ...don't even involve HHH.

The only reason anyone else got a shot at the title was because HHH was off filming Blade 3.

[WildChild]

I would rather Benoit, Edge or Jericho have the title.THey all work hard and deserve it more then Cripple H.

[John Constantine]

I bet you anything that it'll be Edge vs Benoit for the title. But since Jericho's the GM, he'll try and inject himself into the title picture as well. So he'll have a match with Triple H and the winner of that match goes on to face whoever wins between Edge and Benoit. Edge squeaks out the victory against Benoit, thus making him champion. Triple H beats Jericho. For the main event, Triple H beats Edge for the title. Thus, the status quo is once restored and Edge becomes even more pissed/bitter because he had the title belt for only an hour or so.

:confused:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Wouldn't doubt that something like that would play out. WWE is known to tease their fans with a title change only to completely drop the ball and keep the strap on the same damn person (HHH).

Here's a list of people who deserve to be champ WAY more then HHH (in no order)

Jericho
Benoit
Edge
Orton
Batista (since he's WAY over)...he's turning into the heel that people love, sort of like a certain tough SOB that started out the same way.

JBL needs to drop the title to Booker T, he's totally earned the right to be champ and he's been screwed enough times. UT's not on Smackdown! enough to be a good champ, and Eddie just had the belt not too long ago.

[Dr. Manhatten]

I actually think Batista'd be better pushed as face for right now, considering the pops he gets

[3dman27]

Batista (since he's WAY over)...he's turning into the heel that people love, sort of like a certain tough SOB that started out the same way.


i can see bastista as a face

[Sava]

Batista (since he's WAY over)...he's turning into the heel that people love, sort of like a certain tough SOB that started out the same way.



I miss Austin...he was the best dammit!!

[GLfan]

What happened on Smackdown last night, I missed the show.

[3dman27]

What happened on Smackdown last night, I missed the show.
torrie rvd and ray beat hiroko suzuki and dupree
the bashams beat booker and laino heat
theodore long decreed dawn marie will meet ms jackie at armegeddon with charlie hass referreeing
the big show confonted reigns angle and jindrack to defend joy
next weeks main event is torrie wilson vs hiroko bra and panties match

[Donnie Darko]

I missed the show, too... how did the Bashams beat Booker and Eddie? Also, who got eliminated from Tough Enough?

[3dman27]

I missed the show, too... how did the Bashams beat Booker and Eddie? Also, who got eliminated from Tough Enough?
one of the bashams pinned eddie ithink [i was getting some milk at the time by pinning him with his feet on the ropes
i forget the candidates name he's the one al was offering a chance to quit due to broken ribs

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I miss Austin...he was the best dammit!!

I'm with ya...I miss him.

He'll back back soon enough, but I doubt he'll ever go back to his old ways...I guess his body just can't take it anymore.

[Jason Blood]

Turning Point is on tonight

I can try to post results if you guys want

[3dman27]

if you would please jason
thank you

[Jason Blood]

here's the deal so far

The Naturals over Clark and Batts
Team Canada over 3LK for the Tag Team championships

[Jason Blood]

Sonjay Dutt, Hector Garza and Sonny Siaki over Kid Kash, Michael Shane and Kazarian

Monty Brown over Abyss

Empire Saint and Badd over NYC

[Jason Blood]

Here are the adventures of Fake Vince MacMahon and HHH

FAKE Vince McMahon out of the limo with a FAKE HHH. HHH spits up the fake water Abyss shows up with the balloons, fake Game asks "WHAT GAME DO YOU THINK YOU'RE PLAYING." Abyss does his intimidate taunt, and Fake Trips runs off.

Backstage fake Vince and Trips looking for the tape. Vince tells a guy that he's violating the dress code! He says that I don't work for you, and Vince says I can fire anyone I want and YOUR'E FIRED! They see a backstage female person with a tape and Vince sends Triple H after it. He attacks her and steals the tape and smashes it with a huge sledgehammer. Vince checks the box, and it's only a "Best of D-Ray 3000" tape, and Vince admonishes Trips for his mistake.

[John Constantine]

Wow...they actually did a stunt like that?

[Jason Blood]

DDP over Raven (who didn't see that coming:rolleyes: )
Petey Williams over Chris Sabin (still X-Division Champ)
Styles, Hardy, and Savage over The Kings of Wrestling

parody continued

Fake Vince and Trips are in the locker room. Calls it a rinky dink operation! Says they don't have catering for them! Traci comes in with cookies and Vince knocks them back into her face, and Triple H starts eating them off the floor! Vince sends him to find the tape, and Trips grabs his sledghammer and runs out of the room.

Midget knocks on Vince's door and says he's a senior official. Vince berates the midget, and then he kicks Vince in the nuts and starts punching his back. Midget gets the tray and then clocks Vince again! "Where's my son in law when you need him?" The Midget straightens his tie and then leaves.

Fake Vince is on a stretcher, yelling at fake Trips as he gets loaded into the ambulance. Vince yelling about selling. Triple H says "Daddy-ah, what do you want me to do-ah?!" as the ambulance rolls off, sirens blaring.

NOTE the results for the six sides of steel match aren't up yet but I've got to go

[The Flash]

Man, I can't stand Wrestling manily 'cause of Triple H. It's always Triple H. I hear his name everywhere. It's like the show became his because he's married to the company now. He's in charge of some things that help only him. He's always going after that damn heavyweight title. That's all he does. That's why i stopped watching it months ago. I figured things would've changed by now, but they haven't. It's the same as it was before I stopped watching, nothing but HHH.

It sucks really, I loved the time when a real champion like Chris Benoit held the heavyweight belt. Him and Chris Jericho(The very first undisputed champion).

[3dman27]

remember when chris jerico was always saying "RAW IS JERICHO" well since he's tonights acting gereral manager raw lieraly WILL be jericho wonder how it'l turn out?

[Jason Blood]

The Footage:

Douglas with Traci and Abyss with cookies and balloons walking through the studios.Truth and BG James come up talking about Mahi Mahi. BG asks for a salad, wants to talk to Vince. BG bothering people. Everything almost is bleeped out except for the TNA superstars. BG asks for Ben-oit. Some guy brings the guys a salad, and BG says he's fired! BG also says that he made Vince a lot of money, the least he could do is talk to him. Shane Douglas wants to talk to Vince and discuss some things from the past. Truth is the only one that actually stole WWE food.

AMW over Triple X (Triple X can no longer team again in TNA)

[Jason Blood]

Fozzy is scheduled to play tonight so it is expected that they will play during RAW

[John Constantine]

Man, Captain Charisma was classic.

And you know what? I'm actually digging Raw a lot these days. Who would've thought what with it almost sinking lows a few months back? The potential Edge-Orton fued actually sounds interesting. And it seems a Batista-Triple H fued is starting up as well. Plus, Shelton Benjamin. Man, this guy should be the champion by next year. What a ****ing good wrestler.

[dr. loomis]

i figured lita would win, since the match was last and them doin all the "build up" clips. anyone else see a triple threat next week with hhh cheating to win the title back?! i really dont want to see that,but i have a feeling thats what is gonna happen; or, hhh has it won, and batista hits hhh with a chair. :bomb:

[Donnie Darko]

what's REALLY gonna suck is that now that HHH "lost" the title (notice how they didn't make him actually lose to anyone), he will only win it again next week. Now, they will add this win to his title count.

[John Constantine]

I honestly hope Raw is turning over a new leaf. I mean the past few weeks have been pretty good, and it might only get better if they finally gave someone else a chance at the title. Maybe Edge, or even give Benoit a chance at the title again.


But sadly, that is not to be :(

[3dman27]

QUOTE lilian garcia
intoducing the callenger north carolina's own LITA QUOTE
doesn't amy dumas aka lita hail from SOUTH carolina or am i thinking of the hardy boys?

[Soundwave]

Man, that was a pretty nasty looking spill that Lita took last night. Considering she just had neck surgery i was pretty concerned when i saw that.

[The Ghoul]

QUOTE lilian garcia
intoducing the callenger north carolina's own LITA QUOTE
doesn't amy dumas aka lita hail from SOUTH carolina or am i thinking of the hardy boys?

You are wrong both times. They all live in North Carolina.

Is it just me or is anyone else absolutly loving Maven as a heel.

[dr. loomis]

Man, that was a pretty nasty looking spill that Lita took last night. Considering she just had neck surgery i was pretty concerned when i saw that.
yeah, trish really didnt make a big attempt to catch her. maybe she will be in trouble and be off tv for a while. i really never liked her anyways. i can live with just seeing lita, stacy, and christy!!!

[3dman27]

You are wrong both times. They all live in North Carolina.

Is it just me or is anyone else absolutly loving Maven as a heel.
thanks for straightening that out ipefer the faces myself

[TheBlackTiger]

I'm sorry Ive been watching Wrestling all my life, my favorite series was raw during 97-99. Those matches were classic, now it's all show no matches, I wish theyd bring the Super Patriot out of retirement so he can battle Angle over the theme song.

[3dman27]

i was watching a news item about today [dec 7]being the pearl harbor aniversary and i remembered that the main event on tonights smackdown taping is torrie wilson vs hiroko an american woman against a japanese woman is it just me or is it ironic timing?

[The Ghoul]

There is probebly going to be some snide Pearl Harbor joke added in some where during the show.

[Metamorpho1977]

There's an old saying, "wrestling is only as good as it's heels"

Sadly there aren't that many really good heels on WWE. You don't like Triple H because he's really bad, you don't like him because he's really annoying. Let Maven and Eugene Snitzky begin to form a heel stable or something. Or maybe the WWE can bring about their plan to reform the NOD when Farooq comes back.

[3dman27]

maybe thets why maven turned heel

[3dman27]

anybody see the smackdown taping last night? www.lordsofpain.net doesn't have the rsults yet

[TheBlackTiger]

i was watching a news item about today [dec 7]being the pearl harbor aniversary and i remembered that the main event on tonights smackdown taping is torrie wilson vs hiroko an american woman against a japanese woman is it just me or is it ironic timing?
I can't wait to see that. I bet Hiroko chan has a better body then Wilson, I hope she wins, and dumps that loser. That reminds me of the first bra and panties match between Jackie and Sable, IMHO Sable should have not won that, Jackie had a much better body and if you payed closed attention Jackie treated us to a bonus! All the while WCW at the same time was doing an hour long thing about the 4 hourseman reunion.....


Wrestling was the ish back in the day.....

[SLYspyda]

Man, that was a pretty nasty looking spill that Lita took last night. Considering she just had neck surgery i was pretty concerned when i saw that.


yup, me too, i thought the ball game was over for lita for another year after i saw that, i can't believe she walked away from that, only guys walk away from **** like that, she's really hardcore.

and dr. loomis, its not trish's fault at all, lita did her dive wrong and missed it totally, there was nothing trish could have done.

[3dman27]

any idea who lita's gonna take on to protect her title?

[DOG LIPS]

any idea who lita's gonna take on


ME. :) But it won't be a title match, since I'm a guy... it will be a "Get married and have 50 kids'" match. Or a "One night stand" match.

[Jason Blood]

I've heard that Lesnar wants to return to wrestling

I think that Smackdown needs Lesnar

I was never a fan of how they made so many people job to him but Smackdown was Lesnar and a return with the occasional job would be good for the show

also they will probably advertise his comeback (they will take him back) because a random appearance wouldn't help with the ratings as much

[3dman27]

maybe it would work
lesnar vs heinenrich[sp]?

[Omega Red]

I can't wait to see that. I bet Hiroko chan has a better body then Wilson, I hope she wins, and dumps that loser. That reminds me of the first bra and panties match between Jackie and Sable, IMHO Sable should have not won that, Jackie had a much better body and if you payed closed attention Jackie treated us to a bonus! All the while WCW at the same time was doing an hour long thing about the 4 hourseman reunion.....


Wrestling was the ish back in the day.....


Not many have a body better than Torrie Wilson. I still cant believe she married Billy Kidman

[3dman27]

any idea who lita's gonna take on to protect her title?
my moneys on molly holly
btw nice siganture omega red :hyper:

[3dman27]

and now for my ppv tradition

any predictions on amegeddons results?

[The Ghoul]

fatal 4 way: Undertaker... JBL won't lose though & that will be the reason behind yet another Undertaker/JBL fued.

Street Fight: Cena

tag team: Rey & RVD & torri will come out & there will be a fight with Hiroko

Handicap: Angle will pin big show by some sort of cheap shot

cruserweight: spike... But hopefully by some miracle (or good writing) Funaki wins. He is years past due for a shot

Tough Enough: Puder will win the fight but I don't think he will be voted in as the winner of the contest

Catfight: Dawn will win & Haas will prove those rumors true




I just got floor section tickets for an episode of Raw bow to me my minons.... I said Bow.

[Jason Blood]

I've gotten word that Kane's movie has been renamed to "Goodnight" (as opposed to "The Eye Scream Man")

[John Constantine]

Good. Eye Scream Man just sounded so.....silly.

Anyways here are my predictions for Armageddon:

Fatal Four Way - I'm hoping Booker T walks away with the title here. Really, really hoping. Of the four, he has yet to win the title yet, and he should get it, even if he might only hold it for a month. But somehow, I doubt it and I'm betting someone like JBL will once again scrape away with the victory :(

Tag Team Match - umm....this is a complete coin toss for me. But oh well, RVD and Rey win. Hopefully this will separate the Dupree/Suzuki tag team so that Dupree can go back to singles

US championship match - Yeah, Cena is definitely gonna win this one. Man, the US title division was so kickass a few months back, now it's a ****ing joke.

Dawn Marie vs Miss Jackie - I agree with the Ghoul in that Dawn Marie will probably win, probably with Charlie Haas turning. The WWE always seems to want to have real-life couples feud with each other on tv (Matt Hardy-Lita)

Daniel Puder-Mike Mizanin- Puder. That's all I gotta say about that.

Spike DUdley vs. Funaki - Funaki wins. Then he feuds with Akio for the title next. Yeah, it's a longshot to happen, and for that outcome to take place, the WWE would actually have to respect it's Japanese wrestlers, but oh well :o

[Jason Blood]

in order

RVD and Rey won
Puder won
Bashams won (Bashams V. Haas and Holly)
Cena won
Dawn won
Big Show won
Funaki won

[Jason Blood]

JBL is still the champ

I saw this coming sooo easily

if anyone else would have won the title they would have pushed them a little better on Smackdown first

JBL still got more face time (heel time really) and it was easy to tell from that fact alone

oh yeah Heidenreich beat up Taker

[John Constantine]

Yeah, the odds were so stacked against JBL in this match that there was no other option except him winning :(

Oh, and what a surprise that Haas had an affair with Dawn Marie. So yet another real-life couple is broken up on tv. Next: Kenzo Suzuki leaves Hiroko for Torrie Wilson :up:

[3dman27]

in order

RVD and Rey won
Puder won
Bashams won (Bashams V. Haas and Holly)
Cena won
Dawn won
Big Show won
Funaki won
funaki as cruserweight champ? BANZAI
btw whats this about charlie hass and jackie gayda being a real life couple?

[The Ghoul]

funaki as cruserweight champ? BANZAI
btw whats this about charlie hass and jackie gayda being a real life couple?

They are. They were accually engaged for about a month before they announced it on tv

[Metamorpho1977]

if Ric Flair is gonna stick around a while longer, he needs to bring back the 4 Horsemen just so they can go out in a blaze of glory instead of being the group that was disposed of by the NWO so easily.

[John Constantine]

Could Heyman be gone from the WWE? :(

First he got demoted from the WWE creative team, then he was absent during Armageddon. Now apparently he's absent during the Smackdown tapings.

[Donnie Darko]

if Ric Flair is gonna stick around a while longer, he needs to bring back the 4 Horsemen just so they can go out in a blaze of glory instead of being the group that was disposed of by the NWO so easily.

who would you want to see in the Horsemen?